Johor may go ahead with LRT project



JOHOR BARU: Johor plans to go ahead with its Light Rail Transit (LRT) project to overcome the anticipated traffic jam in the future.

Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said should the service become a reality, the likely route would be through Plaza Angsana in Tampoi, Johor Baru downtown and Pandan.

“I think we should be able to finalise the plan by the end of the year.

“Right now, what we have agreed upon is the routing,” he told newsmen here yesterday.

Abdul Ghani, however, refused to provide further details.

The idea to introduce LRT service here was first mooted by him about two years ago following complaints about the traffic jam in the city centre.

The idea was, however, shot down because it would cost the government several hundred million ringgit.

Abdul Ghani said the situation (economic) has changed now and the government could seriously consider the plan.

“It is sort of our preparation for the future,” he said.

oh thank God! Yes! yes! yes! The city seriously need it!

At last, Johor Bahru will had its own LRT system. Johor Bahru is the second city in Malaysia that had LRT is it?

Great news. The city did indeed need an alternative kind of public transportation. It is a nightmare driving there. Finally...something for the Johorian to cheers about :)

yeah..because of the BAD jam in JB..sze got into something :D

yeah..because of the BAD jam in JB..sze got into something :D

Really??? Now that is interesting. Tell us more about that something...

This is absolutely fantastic! JB needs an LRT system, though I hope the route alignment and station locations are well planned. If I can remember properly, the original route stretched east to west, from Pasir Gudang to a new township called Bandar Nusajaya. I can’t remember the other routes though.

Have they revised that? The original route is pretty extensive.

This is exiting! GO JB!

Y not monorail? Monorail cost less than LRT what?
anyway it is a very great news

Y not monorail? Monorail cost less than LRT what?
anyway it is a very great news


The term LRT or MRT differs from different people's point-of-view and also from different countries and govt.

LRT could be those really small transit trains like those aerotrains used in KLIA and Spore's LRTs, trams or even monorail.

In many countries, our 'LRT' systems in KL are considered MRTs as our 'LRT' isn't that small. I think our govt used the wrong term to categorised the mass transit system in KL as LRTs. :(

So the 'LRT system' that they are mentioning could be a monorail if that is what they mean. ;) ....there simply isn't any clear definition and what I say is kinda confusing for many whom are used to regular terms. ;)

In terms of system specs, the KL rail transit system deserves to be called a mass rapid transit system simply for the fact that all lines run independently without acting as a feeder service to other lines.

Singapore’s neighborhood LRTs act as a feeder service to the larger MRT and has a pathetic affinity to KL’s mighty LRTs.

Wouldn’t it be nice to call the whole KL system the Metro? Got a Paris feel to it ei? ;)

In terms of system specs, the KL rail transit system deserves to be called a mass rapid transit system simply for the fact that all lines run independently without acting as a feeder service to other lines.

Singapore’s neighborhood LRTs act as a feeder service to the larger MRT and has a pathetic affinity to KL’s mighty LRTs.

Wouldn’t it be nice to call the whole KL system the Metro? Got a Paris feel to it ei? ;)

yea....The Sengkang LRT and Bkt Panjang LRT is similar to KLIA's shuttle trains between the Main Terminal Building and the Satellite Building so KL's 'LRT' ain't no LRT. ;)

....and before we start glamourising our mass transit ....namely the KTM Komuter, KL Monorail, Starline and Putraline.......we should have some form of integration first.....esp the ticketing part.

I would like to board Starline trains without first getting out of the station and then into Putraline's station .....just like what Singapore did to the North East Line with the rest of the SMRT system. A good example of an enterchange would the Outram Park and Dhoby Ghaut stations.....the integration are seemless and an ordinary joe wouldn't even know the lines are operated by different companies! :okay:

I was indeed amazed by the new MRT interchanges. As you said the transfer is seamless and is also further complimented by excellent signage. The Londoners have been efficiently interchanging 4-5 lines decades ago as well but the KL issue is a bit sticky.

In KL (Masjid Jamek), one is elevated while the other is underground. Having a common ticket alone may not ensure thorough integration as compared to a full-scale physical (structural) integration of both stations.

Construction will be difficult and risky (and expensive) considering the heavily built-up surroundings. But a way must be found and I’m sure nothing is impossible.

All this would not have been necessary if proper planning was not hastily overlooked, which is what the JB system should avoid, as I mentioned earlier.

Giving the system a common name is also a step to integration, agree? The Metro was just a sarcastic suggestion. ;)

woow...great news for JB. Nusajaya???? is it where the proposed Universal Studio will be built right????

woow...great news for JB. Nusajaya???? is it where the proposed Universal Studio will be built right????


yup....that's where it is! ;) .....sadly there is still no news :(

I was indeed amazed by the new MRT interchanges. As you said the transfer is seamless and is also further complimented by excellent signage. The Londoners have been efficiently interchanging 4-5 lines decades ago as well but the KL issue is a bit sticky.

In KL (Masjid Jamek), one is elevated while the other is underground. Having a common ticket alone may not ensure thorough integration as compared to a full-scale physical (structural) integration of both stations.

Construction will be difficult and risky (and expensive) considering the heavily built-up surroundings. But a way must be found and I’m sure nothing is impossible.

All this would not have been necessary if proper planning was not hastily overlooked, which is what the JB system should avoid, as I mentioned earlier.

Giving the system a common name is also a step to integration, agree? The Metro was just a sarcastic suggestion. ;)


yea.....a physical integration is the key. I reckon that the integration of Starline and Putraline at Masjid Jamek would be painless if the authorities were to spend a lil bit of money. And I think this is darn important as not only local but tourists are confused over our system too. A tourist from Iceland once asked me of how to change stations at Masjid Jamek and it is quite humiliating to say that a new ticket had to be bought to get to the other line.

Another integration I would like to see is the KTM Komuter/Putraline and KL Monorail integration. I reckon that the integration at KL Sentral wouldn't be as difficult as well as that place are built with such integration in the pipeline.

Apart form the above .....other potential integration would be the Hang Tuah stations for both KL Monorail & Starline, Bkt Nenas KL Monorail - Putraline's Dang Wangi station and the Titiwangsa stations for both KL Monorail & Starline. Ticketless pedestrian bridges could be built to link these stations without getting out first then in again. ;)

I got off at Bt. Nanas once, hoping to catch my 'connecting' train to KLCC. I ended up walking there in return! Sigh sigh. Blame me for it, but the signage totally disappeared lar, only to realize I walked to the wrong side of Jln Ampang. It was a brief walk to KLCC actually but I was annoyed by the whole experience.

I waited years to see the system in place and this is what i get.

But there’s always hope I suppose. KL will get it right very soon, just a bit of fine-tuning and we will be world-class. Sure can.

MALAYSIA always BOLEH! :)

I got off at Bt. Nanas once, hoping to catch my 'connecting' train to KLCC. I ended up walking there in return! Sigh sigh. Blame me for it, but the signage totally disappeared lar, only to realize I walked to the wrong side of Jln Ampang. It was a brief walk to KLCC actually but I was annoyed by the whole experience.

I waited years to see the system in place and this is what i get.

But there’s always hope I suppose. KL will get it right very soon, just a bit of fine-tuning and we will be world-class. Sure can.

MALAYSIA always BOLEH! :)

Yes, the seamless connectivity between the KL lines is lacking. But Malaysia Boleh! so let's hope to see more covered walkways between stations at the very least. I think they were erecting one between the Monorail station at.. er.. can't remember the name now.. and a Star Station (also can't remember the name). That was in December.

Any news on the integration of the ticketing system?

I was indeed amazed by the new MRT interchanges. As you said the transfer is seamless and is also further complimented by excellent signage. The Londoners have been efficiently interchanging 4-5 lines decades ago as well but the KL issue is a bit sticky.

In KL (Masjid Jamek), one is elevated while the other is underground. Having a common ticket alone may not ensure thorough integration as compared to a full-scale physical (structural) integration of both stations.

Construction will be difficult and risky (and expensive) considering the heavily built-up surroundings. But a way must be found and I’m sure nothing is impossible.

All this would not have been necessary if proper planning was not hastily overlooked, which is what the JB system should avoid, as I mentioned earlier.

Giving the system a common name is also a step to integration, agree? The Metro was just a sarcastic suggestion. ;)
Er...actually I dont quite agree about those pertaining to sg, and yeah, this is speaking from the viewpoint of someone who is supposed to be attuned to transportational issues? :D

I actually often have trouble finding the exact "exit" which leads me to the other line at Dhoby Ghaut or Outram park, specifically when I exit the train along the SMRT operated lines. I sometimes end up going up an escalater, back down another one, and then on to the correct one, because I mis-read or fail to find the signs! :D

The thing is I doubt I am alone too. I sometimes find people following me, or I end up repeating the mistake of the person in front of me! :rofl: I suppose I can overcome this if I use those interchanges often enough, but I dont really use them. I avoid them in fact!

Back to the JB one, my street directory which Sze helped me to find months ago at KL showed a tentative routing. Will that be the basis for this system?

I doubt though that they would be that stupid enough to implement an at grade LRT or a MRT if they were serious about relieving congestion.

Er...actually I dont quite agree about those pertaining to sg, and yeah, this is speaking from the viewpoint of someone who is supposed to be attuned to transportational issues? :D

I actually often have trouble finding the exact "exit" which leads me to the other line at Dhoby Ghaut or Outram park, specifically when I exit the train along the SMRT operated lines. I sometimes end up going up an escalater, back down another one, and then on to the correct one, because I mis-read or fail to find the signs! :D

The thing is I doubt I am alone too. I sometimes find people following me, or I end up repeating the mistake of the person in front of me! :rofl: I suppose I can overcome this if I use those interchanges often enough, but I dont really use them. I avoid them in fact!

Back to the JB one, my street directory which Sze helped me to find months ago at KL showed a tentative routing. Will that be the basis for this system?



I used the Dhoby Ghaut to get to Little India from Kranji for Thaipusam. I found it a whiz actually, but my frst-time-coming-to-S’pore friend I tugged along was a little dazed at how I knew which way to walk. I used the signage, I replied, simple as that.

But it did make me wonder though, was it an exceptional case of instinctive navigation? …also being ‘someone who was supposed to be attuned to transportation issues’…Nah, just a boastful contemplation, I figured.

I really liked the walkalators though. The MRT exits have at times been understandably confusing to me the foreigner, even in simple ones like Novena. But you could never get lost in Singapore- I always remind myself. :D

The signage got tell you which escalator to use meh? I know there are, but did you notice they sometimes dont show it along somne parts of the platform, so you end up wondering which way once you step out of the train? Well..this is especially so in the older platforms at Dhoby Ghaut and Outram Park, where by added new exits to transfer to the other platform. I keep using the wrong exit! :D

i wonder why they have the travellators at Dhoby Ghaut when the walk is much longer at Outram Park. Then again, I should not complain too much. I dont use the one at Dhoby Ghaut anyway...:)

Boastful contemplation? Not sure if that is considered boastful, but I do tend to follow transportation issues with a passion, so it is ironic for me to have navigational problems in a station!

The signage got tell you which escalator to use meh? I know there are, but did you notice they sometimes dont show it along somne parts of the platform, so you end up wondering which way once you step out of the train? Well..this is especially so in the older platforms at Dhoby Ghaut and Outram Park, where by added new exits to transfer to the other platform. I keep using the wrong exit! :D

i wonder why they have the travellators at Dhoby Ghaut when the walk is much longer at Outram Park. Then again, I should not complain too much. I dont use the one at Dhoby Ghaut anyway...:)

Boastful contemplation? Not sure if that is considered boastful, but I do tend to follow transportation issues with a passion, so it is ironic for me to have navigational problems in a station!


Just incase, the second paragraph of my previous post was in reference to my experience actually. No offence to anyone ya. :)

Well if the situation is that bad at those stations something has to be done quickly. I didn’t realize it though. The whole system is not too old either. There will always be room for improvement in Singapore or KL, and soon JB as well. :okay:

Ney...I wasent offended. I am just wondering if you happen to be just as attuned to transportational issues, and if so, I do not seem to enjoy the same breezy experience as you did! :D

There is talk that the transit system might actually cross international borders...any news on that?

great news for JB. i'm not sure about the traffic condition in JB but it sound really bad from what i hear. hope the LRT(or whatever) can solve the problem :)

Ney...I wasent offended. I am just wondering if you happen to be just as attuned to transportational issues, and if so, I do not seem to enjoy the same breezy experience as you did! :D

There is talk that the transit system might actually cross international borders...any news on that?

Thanks man...that’s a relief. :) I have been following local transportation developments since The Leader came about in the Klang Valley several years ago. Does anyone remember that newspaper? It’s not around anymore though.

They used to have an entire page dedicated to the construction of the LRT and other transportation issues. Loved it!
I’m currently pursuing civil engineering and there’s about no way I can run from that stuff as well.

International borders? Easier say Singapore la! :D
Don't know about that la. It’s a very delicate procedure and if this was not looked into previously, there’s obviously going to be delays in implementation. Let them fix the crooked bridge plan first. ;)

Haha! Which university or educational institution you happen to be at now? I am a geography major in NUS....so now you know why I am similarly forced to be aware of transportational issues, albeit less into the technicalities like youi! :D

I dont know. The papers here seem to have mentioned the possibility of the line coming over here, to which some of us were like thinking....huh? If you check the rail plans here from the 1990s, there is actually plans to extend the MRT to JB. IT never materialised, so it will be quite ironical if the JB one did so instead! ;)

JB route:
line 1: Tampoi to JB sentral
line 2: Pandan to JB sentral

and JB sentral link to singapore woodland MRT.

according sin jiw jit poh information.

singapore MRt plan extend to JB b4?? izzit true??
who pay the construction money?singapore???



yesterday singapore nicoll MRT station which is under construction cave in and cause a part of nicoll highway collapse....i am so shock about it.

JB route:
line 1: Tampoi to JB sentral
line 2: Pandan to JB sentral

and JB sentral link to singapore woodland MRT.

according sin jiw jit poh information.

singapore MRt plan extend to JB b4?? izzit true??
who pay the construction money?singapore???



yesterday singapore nicoll MRT station which is under construction cave in and cause a part of nicoll highway collapse....i am so shock about it.
So who is paying for the link to Woodlands MRT ah? Got consult the people here or not? Sekali drawup all the plans without informing in advance again! :D

The SMRT plan was like years ago lah....nothing came out of it of coz. Now, I wonder if this plan to enter Woodlands can even get of the ground given the situation today....Most likely the retort from the sg govt will be like "15 yrs ago we ask to go to JB u duwan, now u want to come to Woodlands?"

Crap aside....is there a route map to show?

JB route:
yesterday singapore nicoll MRT station which is under construction cave in and cause a part of nicoll highway collapse....i am so shock about it.
EXTRA!! EXTRA!! http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=100848

:D

Oh Huai Wei is also in NUS, I'm a student there too. But I don't major in geography. I major in Chinese Language. Anyway, nice to know that JB is also getting an LRT system. I've been thinking how good it is if JB also got a train system like the one in KL.

Oh Huai Wei is also in NUS, I'm a student there too. But I don't major in geography. I major in Chinese Language. Anyway, nice to know that JB is also getting an LRT system. I've been thinking how good it is if JB also got a train system like the one in KL.
Is it? You year what now ah? Bloody exams just over a few days ago..hiak hiak hiak! :D Ops..better dunt hijack this thread....:D

Well...if JB gets that LRT, I just hope it goes thorought places like the Larkin Terminal or something...supposedly where service 170 stops. It will be much easier to explore the city from there.

I hope the LRT system in JB to be more integrated than the one in KL(As in I don't have to get out of the station to transit to another train). However, I do think that that is kind of special.

Huai Wei, your exams ended a few days ago? So lucky. Mine ended only yesterday. BTW, I'm a third year student. I was watching your "debate" with another guy the other day. Kind of "interesting",ha...

I hope the LRT system in JB to be more integrated than the one in KL(As in I don't have to get out of the station to transit to another train). However, I do think that that is kind of special.

Huai Wei, your exams ended a few days ago? So lucky. Mine ended only yesterday. BTW, I'm a third year student. I was watching your "debate" with another guy the other day. Kind of "interesting",ha...
I went to KL last year with the help of szehoong here, and I did have to pay twice when transfering between lines. Thankfully they are trying to intergrate it now I think. Anyway the JB one looks like a unified system? I doubt they will end up as segregated...

Me also 3rd year leh....sekali I actually know u in NUS? :D Going to honour your degree or not? :) And as for that debate....he have to irritate me just 6 hours before my last paper. I sacrified my revision time just for him man. So noble right? :D

I think going KL is quite convenient here. I have a friend who's working there so I visit him sometimes. I usually take the bus. Cheap and convenient. Anyway I haven't try out AirAsia yet but I hope I get to try it out soon especially when the fares are so low.... But I really hate the timing(at 8.30am which means have to get up really early and 9pm which means when I reach KL all the shops will be closed unless I go Bangsar to chill out or something) I hope SzeHoong had guide you well there.
I'm not sure whether I would go to Honours or not. I have to see how my results are before i make that decision. How about you,Huai Wei? I seriously don't think we know each other although we might have seen each other before? You really sacrifice your revision time for the "debate"? I hope it won't affect your performance. But I really like the way you've stood on your ground and argue back.

Yeah he basically drove me around and we took the LRT only just for "fun." :D

Tell u what...the details about our horrible school life can go on here lah ==> http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=68088&goto=lastpost. Not very nice to hijack into people's thread! :D And in actual fact, I did waste too much time on him, since I spent a total of almost 6 hours of my last hours....I could have finished 2 whole topics with that time! :bash: :D

Ah well....I suppose you realise what an interesting bunch of forumers we can have here. :)

http://www.burchillpartners.com.au/t-jbbus.htm

roject Details: Johor Bahru Bus/LRT Study, Malaysia

Burchill Partners' Involvement: Burchill Partners was commissioned by a consortium comprising major bus service operators to investigate the feasibility and optimum configuration of a proposed LRT system as part of a submission for privatisation of the service.

This work involved:
investigation of future patronage on the LRT,
investigation of ways of rationalising and integrating existing bus services following implementation of the LRT,
determination of station and interchange locations, and
determination of LRT route alignments.

http://www.burchillpartners.com.au/t-jbbus.jpg

"Beliau berkata, syarikat dari Korea Selatan akan terbabit dalam
kerja mereka bentuk sistem pengangkutan LRT di Johor."
http://www.bharian.com.my/m/BHarian/Friday/Nasional/20040416012245/Article/
No full news..it has already been archived! hmm..must be Hyundai!

Good news then!!!!!

How many LRT stations should there be for JB? I think it should stretch to Senai and have few stations at Johor Jaya. ;)

Rotem eyes Johor train deal

SEOUL, Thurs: South Korean rolling stock company, Rotem Co, said today it was in talks with Malaysia on the sale of a magnetic-levitation (maglev) railway, in a deal that could be worth up to US$400 million (US$1 = RM3.80).

If the deal was concluded, the railway would be built in Johor, Kim Jah-hong, the vice president of unlisted Rotem, said.

“We are in talks with Malaysia to provide a 32-carriage maglev train and it is worth US$200 million to US$400 million,” Kim said by telephone.

The 15.2km railway would link metropolitan areas around Johor Baru and would have an average speed of 80km per hour, he said.

However, Kim said the Malaysian Government was still reviewing details of the proposed deal and there was no timeframe for a final agreement.

If the project went ahead, it would be the world’s second commercial magnetic railway. One in Shanghai, connecting Pudong International Airport, was constructed by a consortium involving Siemens AG and ThyssenKrupp.

This type of railway carries passengers on a magnetic cushion above the tracks at speeds of up to 581km per hour, making it the world’s fastest, according to Guinness World Records.

Kim said the train planned for Malaysia would go at much slower speeds since it would be operating in a metropolitan area.

Rotem, formerly Korea Rolling Stock Corp, was formed through the merger of the rollingstock units of three South Korean conglomerates in 1999 — Hyundai, Daewoo and Hanjin Group. — Reuters

opps....double posts! :D

Rotem eyes Johor train deal

SEOUL, Thurs: South Korean rolling stock company, Rotem Co, said today it was in talks with Malaysia on the sale of a magnetic-levitation (maglev) railway, in a deal that could be worth up to US$400 million (US$1 = RM3.80).

If the deal was concluded, the railway would be built in Johor, Kim Jah-hong, the vice president of unlisted Rotem, said.

“We are in talks with Malaysia to provide a 32-carriage maglev train and it is worth US$200 million to US$400 million,” Kim said by telephone.

The 15.2km railway would link metropolitan areas around Johor Baru and would have an average speed of 80km per hour, he said.

However, Kim said the Malaysian Government was still reviewing details of the proposed deal and there was no timeframe for a final agreement.

If the project went ahead, it would be the world’s second commercial magnetic railway. One in Shanghai, connecting Pudong International Airport, was constructed by a consortium involving Siemens AG and ThyssenKrupp.

This type of railway carries passengers on a magnetic cushion above the tracks at speeds of up to 581km per hour, making it the world’s fastest, according to Guinness World Records.

Kim said the train planned for Malaysia would go at much slower speeds since it would be operating in a metropolitan area.

Rotem, formerly Korea Rolling Stock Corp, was formed through the merger of the rollingstock units of three South Korean conglomerates in 1999 — Hyundai, Daewoo and Hanjin Group. — Reuters



^^^ Wah! Interesting! :eek:

I never knew that Maglev metro would come to Malaysia :eek:

Wow... superb developement indeed... but very pricey! US$400mil is about RM1.6bil... if use monorail mebbe not even reach RM1bil... :D

Yes, maglev. As a KL-ite, my advise is to get it JB, rather than the monorail which is very bumpy and noisy and low capacity. Nice as a tourist attraction but not very good as mass transit. Hopefully, new rail lines around KL will also be Maglev. Here's hoping.

Yes, maglev. As a KL-ite, my advise is to get it JB, rather than the monorail which is very bumpy and noisy and low capacity. Nice as a tourist attraction but not very good as mass transit. Hopefully, new rail lines around KL will also be Maglev. Here's hoping.


Noisy? Monorail is one of the quitest people mover systems around (with the exception of maglev of course). It is slightly bumpy because it utilises rubber wheels which is the reason why it is so quiet :)

MTrans monorails are not low in capacity. It had the capability to expand to 12 cars. And with the width of near to that of Singapore's MRT and HK's MTR it is much more spacious than Putraline or Starline ;)

Monorails are a proven mass transit system while maglev is not. It is also much much more costly to install a maglev system. So monorail is the only economically viable system plus it looks nice too ;) Who wants a Kancil if he could afford a Mercedes-Benz S-Class right? :D

BELILAH BARANGAN BUATAN MALAYSIA!!! :D:D:D

We must support our country's products wat... Monorail Malaysia and Metrail all the way... except if they (Rotem) are willing to set up production plants in Malaysia... :okay:

80km/h maglev? huh...chaplang
Better MTrans..cheaper

siau....maglev. The one in Shanghai is expensive and impractical. For the $, JB can get a quality LRT and upgrade her bus services/bus stops.

siau....maglev. The one in Shanghai is expensive and impractical. For the $, JB can get a quality LRT and upgrade her bus services/bus stops.


yea....plus the Shanghai one runs into lotsa technical problem too. Maglev is still an unproven technology despite decades of research and tests ;)

memang siau... but i wouldn't be surprise if malaysia purchase it since it would promote the country's name and make another first-in-SEA?

I’ve generally held the perception that maglev trains ride at incredible speed. That’s their main advantage anyway.

If they’re building just one line to link JB to Senai Airport, then the idea would sound credible. But metropolitan JB is stretched out the way the Klang Valley spreads with less density however.

A lot more than 15.2 km would be needed if rail travel is to be encouraged. As a result it would be very expensive if only maglev trains were used. So, maybe the long term idea is to have an east-west LRT/monorail line and a north-south Maglev line at the same time? This is mere speculation after all. It’s extremely exciting nevertheless.

memang siau... but i wouldn't be surprise if malaysia purchase it since it would promote the country's name and make another first-in-SEA?

So that I can add it to my list of 'Records of Malaysia' ??? :D:D:D

korea got maglev technology ??b4 I thought only Japan and Germany got.

sorry repost bcos i found got slightly different..

S.Korea's Rotem eyes Malaysian magnetic train deal
Thursday November 25, 2:13 PM

SEOUL, Nov 25 (Reuters) - South Korean rolling stock firm, Rotem Co., said on Tuesday it was in talks with Malaysia on the sale of a magnetic-levitation railway, in a deal that could be worth up to $400 million.
If the deal was concluded, the railway would be built in Malaysia's southern state of Johor bordering Singapore, Kim Jah-hong, vice president of unlisted Rotem said.

"We are in talks with Malaysia to provide a 32 carriage maglev train and it is worth about $200 million to $400 million," Kim said by telephone.

The 15.2 km (9.5 miles) railway would link metropolitan areas around the city of Johor Bahru and would have an average speed of 80 km per hour, he said. The city is just across the causeway from the city-state of Singapore.

However, he said the Malaysian government was still reviewing details of the proposed deal and there was no timeframe for a final agreement.

If the project went ahead, it would be the world's second commercial magnetic railway. One in Shanghai, connecting Pudong International Airport, was constructed by a consortium involving Siemens AG and ThyssenKrupp .

This type of railway carries passengers on a magnetic cushion above the tracks at speeds of up to 581 km per hour, making it the world's fastest, according to Guinness World Records.

Kim said the train planned for Malaysia would go at much slower speeds since it would be operating in a metropolitan area.

Rotem, which was formerly Korea Rolling Stock Corp., was formed through the merger of the rolling-stock units of three South Korean conglomerates in 1999 -- Hyundai, Daewoo and Hanjin Group.



copy from the yahoo news...AIH...johor is nobody..

How come Singapore so big one.....

http://cede.psu.edu/~dbieryla/maglev/img5.gif

Finally found korea maglev photo.....Surely is this one made by rotem korea maglev monorail
http://www.rotem.co.kr/
http://www.rotem.co.kr/eng/Business_Activities/RollingStock/maglev/mgv.gif
Rotem has succeeded in developing the Magnetically Levitated Vehicles(Maglev).
Rotem’s Maglev is the ideal mass transport system of the future. It is only fast but also safe
and comfortable as glides above the rail without contact. Moreover, the Maglev is desirable
in respect of environmental protection as it is nearly noiseless, vibration free and no air pollution.

The Maglev (DMV-92, HML-03, UTM-01) developed by Rotem is based on the attractive power of the electro-magnets installed at the bottom of the vehicle where the ferro-rails is attached to the guideway. The gap sensor and levitation controller ensure that the vehicle always remains at a uniform distance of
12mm(UTM-01:11mm) above the guideway so that it runs without contact the rails. Linear induction motor serves the vehicle as its propulsion system.


It look more credible apply in JB compare with japan or germany technology.

Items Specifications
Train Formation 2 vehicles (Mc1 - Mc2)
Vehicle dimensions Length : 13.5 m (Train Length : 27.5 m)
Width : 2.85 m Height : 3.50 m (above the rail
Vehicle Weight Tare : 22 tons Full : 30 tons (6 presons/С)
passenger capacity Normal : seat - 33, standing -67
Total -100 persons / vehicle (4 persons/С)
Full : seat -33, standing -102
Total -135 persons / vehicle (6 persons/С)
Power Supply Voltage : 1,500 VDC


Train performance Max. design speed : 100 km/h
Max. operating speed : 80 km/h ---------------------------->
Max. acceleration : 1.0 Ь (3.6 km/h/s)
Max. deceleration : 1.0 Ь (3.6 km/h/s) in service,
1.25 Ь (4.5 km/h/s) in emergency
Noise Level : Max. 65 dB(A)
Viration limit (Vertical & Lateral) : 0.02g
Max. gradient : 8%
Min curve radius : 60 mR (Lateral)
Propulsion system Linear Induction Motor controlled by VVVF inverter
Levitation system Electro Magnetic Suspension Type, 10mm Air-gap
Brake system Blending of Regenerative & Pneumatic Brake

Thanks for the info xeoc.

If these Korean maglev trains prove more viable (design, construction and maintenance besides economical and safety aspects), then JB should have one. Hopefully the proposal is looked into very carefully.

I think KL Monorail is wider than this Rotem's Maglev right... KL Monorail is 3m wide while Rotem's Meglev is 2.85m wide... go for MTrans... or Metrail... :D

MTrans is also bidding for a project in downtown Seoul! Hope they suceed ;)

Or mebbe they are thinking of 'deal swapping'... you supply mine and i'll supply yours... win-win situation mah... :D:D:D

KL monorail project cost Rm1.17billion that mean 1.17/8.6km=130million per KM

proposed JB route 15.2KM estimate US400million=rm1.5billion 1.5/15.2km==98million per KM

so compare it...why not???
according to www.monorails.org info http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/HowMuch.html

KL monorail contruction fee is highest in Asia even higher than Japan...I dont know what is the reason..

Johor LRT system expected to materialise in 2006
By Siti Nurbaiyah Nadzmi

THE Johor Baru Light Rail Transit System is expected to materialise in 2006, pending the greenlight from the Finance Ministry, State Executive Councillor Datuk Baderi Dasuki said this during the budget debate today.
The first phase of the LRT system will stretch about 30 kilometres from Skudai to the Customs and Immigration Complex at Bukit Cagar and ends at Pandan.

"We have appointed a contractor in 2003, and currently the proposal is awaiting final discussion between the contractor and Finance Minister," Baderi said. However, he did not reveal the estimated cost of the project.

"There are a lot of things that we need to look into before settling down to a number. We are looking into many aspects of the system including feasibility of installing the system," he said.

Baderi said the State Government is aware of the growing traffic congestion in the city and the need for an alternative public transport system.

WOW~! LRT? Bombardier maybe? :eek:


http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/12/21/nation/9710935&sec=nation

Johor may get LRT system

BY MAZWIN NIK ANIS
JOHOR BARU: The state is waiting for the go-ahead from the Federal Government for the construction of a Light Rail Transit (LRT) system here to ease traffic congestion and boost the public transportation system.

Works and Housing Committee chairman Datuk Baderi Dasuki said the Finance Ministry was studying the matter with a consultant firm which had been engaged to examine the feasibility of using the LRT system.

“We’re confident of a positive outcome from the study and construction works for the LRT system is expected to start in 2006,” he told the state assembly when winding up the debate on the state budget yesterday.

Under Phase One of the project, the LRT service will ply a 30km route from Skudai to the new Customs, Immigration and Quarantine complex and end in Pandan.

Phase Two will comprise two routes – a 10km route from Pandan to Ulu Tiram and a 20km stretch from Pandan to Pasir Gudang.

Baderi said the people were looking forward to the LRT system as an alternative to buses and taxis.

State Tourism and Environment committee chairman Freddie Long Hoo Hin told the assembly that since 1994, the Wildlife Department had succeeded in capturing and relocating nine elephants in the Tenang constituency and its surrounding areas.

This year alone, two elephants were captured and relocated to the Tasik Kenyir area in Terengganu, Long said.

“The department will continue to capture elephants to ensure the safety of the people. The relocation is also necessary to ensure that the animals will not be threatened by man and civilisation,” he said.

On tourism, Long said one reason the number of tourists from Europe and the Middle East was small was that there were no direct flights from the areas to the state.

Johor, he added, would discuss with the Transport Ministry, Senai Airport Terminal Services Sdn Bhd and other agencies on how to tackle the problem as the state wanted to benefit from the arrival of tourists from these areas.

I hope this is included in the 9th Malaysia plan!

Johor Baharu-Pasir Gudang Commuter Train Service Being Planned
May 20, 2005 21:54 PM



JOHOR BAHARU, May 20 (Bernama) -- The Johor government is negotiating with Keretapi Tanah Melayu Bhd (KTMB) to establish a commuter train service between Johor Baharu and Pasir Gudang.

The state government preferred the commuter train to light rail transit (LRT) because of the cost factor, Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman told reporters after opening Handal Indah Sdn Bhd's building, and launching the company's "City Tram" bus service here Friday.

A more efficient and integrated transport system was also being studied for implementation state-wide, he said.

The system for the city had been planned over the past two years and would begin Saturday with the City Tram service, he said.

-- BERNAMA

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Oh ....din see you also posted here :D

Anyway I merged both threads already...... ;)

eh...those are become double post!! just only one maybe as well!anyway Thanks to you Szehoong.

Plans for high-speed train from KL to JB
Ravi Nambiar

JOHOR BARU, Fri. (http://www.property2u.com/frame.php?point=http://www.nst.com.my/)
Source : New Strait Times (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/NewsBreak/20060127181403/Article/index_html)

Three hours by train from Kuala Lumpur to Johor Baru? This is likely within five years when the Federal Government implements its blueprint to transform south Johor into a new mega hub.

The high speed train service is one of several measures being pursued by the Government to improve transport services and make the mega hub — which is expected to attract the top brains in the region — easily accessible.

Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman gave an inkling of the plan when addressing Johor civil servants here on Monday.

With the implementation of the mega hub project, he said, there was a need to provide a fast, comfortable and convenient mode of transport to JB for captains of industry, corporate big wigs and top civil servants in the Federal capital.

"With the high speed trains, they would be able to whiz in and out of JB from KL for meetings or corporate events. This is exciting news for Johor," he said in his annual New Year message to the civil servants.

Note :

In April 1997, the Cabinet had approved a plan to launch
a RM8.3 billion Kuala Lumpur-Singapore high-speed train service.

KL to JB is 368km

3 hr train service is not high speed at all.

Obviously they are not building the TGV or Shinkansen or maglev. High speed trains run at either over 300km/hr or over 500km/hr.

So the train is only travelling at over 100km/hr. Maybe that's is fast enough for Malaysian standard. Malaysia seems to have its own definition of high speed which is slow to the rest of the world.

Why can't we get from KL to JB in 1.5hrs? Why don't the govt officials build the fastest and the best if they are going to spend the billions anyway? I really cannot understand Malaysian thinking!!

Yea, fast train is also to show malaysia's economy fast progression. Truly, 3 hour train journey, i would rather drive. 3hours from JB to KL is really shit speed.

yaloh sekarang even bus driver also can reach KL in 3 hr......
why not like ERL 160km/h?

Maybe the train MUST BE stop between run in N.sembilan - Melaka before!

The Star :

JOHOR BARU: Smooth flowing traffic and an efficient public transport that includes a mass rapid transit (MRT) system are some of the future perks that will be enjoyed by people here.


PERKS TO COME: Ghani giving a speech during the official launch of the Zon Regency Hotel By The Sea in Johor Baru yesterday.
Seven development projects worth RM10bil are in the pipeline to develop southern Johor, mainly focusing on infrastructure.

The Federal Government will chip in RM5bil while the other half of the expenditure will come from private funded investments (PFI).

Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said part of the plan would be an outer ring road to connect the eastern and western parts of this city.

An MRT-like system had also been included in the project, aimed at providing a public transportation service of the highest quality, he told reporters after launching the re-branding ceremony of the Zon Regency Hotel By The Sea here yesterday.

“We are serious in making the city a service hub that would cater to different kinds of activities, from entertainment to sports,” he said adding that he was confident the projects could be completed within the next five years.

Ghani said the state government had a good track record of managing major projects, claiming that 98% of allocated projects under the two previous Five-Year Plans had been completed.

He said the seven projects were the first phase of a major development programme for southern Johor that would see 13 others being implemented in future.

KL to JB is 368km

3 hr train service is not high speed at all.

Obviously they are not building the TGV or Shinkansen or maglev. High speed trains run at either over 300km/hr or over 500km/hr.

So the train is only travelling at over 100km/hr. Maybe that's is fast enough for Malaysian standard. Malaysia seems to have its own definition of high speed which is slow to the rest of the world.

Why can't we get from KL to JB in 1.5hrs? Why don't the govt officials build the fastest and the best if they are going to spend the billions anyway? I really cannot understand Malaysian thinking!!


The cost of TGV like tracks will exceed the cost of construction an expressway for the same distance. If you want trains to reach 300 km/h , you have to make the tracks straight which means that tracks have to be realigned. Realignment of tracks generally involve the demolition of houses and the land between KL and JB is densely populated. Furthermore, new tracks have to be laid and all level crossings have to be eliminated as well. Trains that go through level crossings can only travel at 130 km/h max for safety reason i think because trains cannot afford to hit even a small object at 300km/h. Trains dont derail when they hit small objects at slow speed but they derail easily when they hit small objects at high speeds. Last but not least the tracks have to be electrified as well

WOW~! LRT? Bombardier maybe? :eek:


http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/12/21/nation/9710935&sec=nation

Johor may get LRT system

BY MAZWIN NIK ANIS
JOHOR BARU: The state is waiting for the go-ahead from the Federal Government for the construction of a Light Rail Transit (LRT) system here to ease traffic congestion and boost the public transportation system.

Works and Housing Committee chairman Datuk Baderi Dasuki said the Finance Ministry was studying the matter with a consultant firm which had been engaged to examine the feasibility of using the LRT system.

“We’re confident of a positive outcome from the study and construction works for the LRT system is expected to start in 2006,” he told the state assembly when winding up the debate on the state budget yesterday.

Under Phase One of the project, the LRT service will ply a 30km route from Skudai to the new Customs, Immigration and Quarantine complex and end in Pandan.

Phase Two will comprise two routes – a 10km route from Pandan to Ulu Tiram and a 20km stretch from Pandan to Pasir Gudang.

Baderi said the people were looking forward to the LRT system as an alternative to buses and taxis.

State Tourism and Environment committee chairman Freddie Long Hoo Hin told the assembly that since 1994, the Wildlife Department had succeeded in capturing and relocating nine elephants in the Tenang constituency and its surrounding areas.

This year alone, two elephants were captured and relocated to the Tasik Kenyir area in Terengganu, Long said.

“The department will continue to capture elephants to ensure the safety of the people. The relocation is also necessary to ensure that the animals will not be threatened by man and civilisation,” he said.

On tourism, Long said one reason the number of tourists from Europe and the Middle East was small was that there were no direct flights from the areas to the state.

Johor, he added, would discuss with the Transport Ministry, Senai Airport Terminal Services Sdn Bhd and other agencies on how to tackle the problem as the state wanted to benefit from the arrival of tourists from these areas.


HAHAHAHA....Malaysian news never fail to crack me up. Only in our country would we have a piece of news talking about building a high-tech transportation system and the next moment it is mentioning the capturing of some rogue elephants.....That is why I love Malaysia so much! :hug: But yeah, way to go for the LRT in JB, but make sure other modes of transportation is improved at the same time too!

Monorail for Johor soon
Wednesday July 19, 2006
By MARSHA TAN
TheStar (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/7/19/nation/14882615&sec=nation)

JOHOR BARU: Johor will soon see its first monorail project take off once the state government decides on what technology to use – Chinese or Korean.

Johor Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said he would make a trip to China next week to study what the country had to offer in terms of monorail technology.

“I am going to have a look at the one used in Beijing. This technology is already a part of China’s infrastructure and we will see whether it is suitable for us,” he said after launching the state-level Bumi Hijau Campaign here yesterday.

“This is a huge investment, so we will have to see what the best solution for the state is.”

Abdul Ghani told reporters the state government already had a blueprint for the first phase of the project, which includes the routing from Ulu Tiram to the city and from the city to Hospital Sultanah Aminah and Danga Bay.

Noting that the state was also exploring technology from South Korea, he said the elements of cost, funding and routes were still being considered.

“The difference is that one country finances through the collection of fares from passengers and the other through a huge initial investment by the state,” he added.

On which company would be handling the project, Abdul Ghani said the matter would be discussed at today’s state executive council meeting.

The monorail is one of seven projects in the pipeline to develop southern Johor. The seven projects are the first phase of a major development programme that would see 13 others implemented in the future.

eh? y does he have to go 'out' when it is available 'inside' the country?

ok la to study this n that, but y cant he refers the same to the local expertise which has already a project in Korea and trying to secure elsewhere?

Bernama news even cited the possibility of having Maglev tech Johor Monorail from China.

The concession of 35 yrs will be tender out.

Jalur Mudra to build, run Johor monorail system
By Ravi Nambiar
July 20 2006
BusinessTimes (http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BT/Thursday/Frontpage/BT578065.txt/Article/)


The Johor State Government will have a 30 per cent stake in the RM10 million
company through its education investment arm, the Yayasan Pelajaran Johor

A COMPANY to build and run a planned monorail system for Johor Baru has been identified, and construction work could start as early as next year.


The Johor State Government has issued a Letter of Exclusivity to a RM10 million company called Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd to fund, design, build and operate the system.

The Johor State Government will have a 30 per cent stake in the company through its education investment arm, the Yayasan Pelajaran Johor.

Phase 1 of the project may cost over RM1.3 billion, Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said yesterday.

Jalur Mudra has appointed former Johor deputy state secretary Datuk Rashidi Mohd Noor as its chairman.

It is a special purpose vehicle set up exclusively to develop the project and among the first private finance initiatives to spearhead infrastructure works in the state.

No details of the company shareholders were immediately available.

Ghani said Jalur Mudra was the only one to make a firm bid for the Johor monorail project.

"The company is very upbeat about the viability of this project. Initial market feasibility findings show very strong demand for the service," he told reporters after the weekly state executive council meeting in Johor Baru.

It is learnt that the system will be fashioned after China's monorail network in Beijing based on the "maglev", or magnetic levitation technology - an advanced technology in which magnetic forces lift, propel and guide the trains over an elevated guideway.

Ghani will lead a high- powered state delegation to Beijing and Chengsha in China from July 23 to 27 to get a close look at the workings of the monorail system there.

Chengsa is China's test centre for the maglev monorail system, which comes directly under the purview of the National University of Defence Technology there.

It is learnt that Jalur Mudra will initially build a 13km-long track stretching from the Johor Baru city centre to the Majidee Camp near Pandan.

When fully developed over the next five years, the monorail will serve a 50km route covering all vital residential, business and recreational spots in the city.

Ghani said the monorail is an integral part of the state government's plans to enhance public amenities and services in Johor Baru, in line with the Federal Government's plans to position the city as one of the country's new growth corridors.

i assume the monorel system in kl is not good enough ha !or may be the chinese is offering the best loan package!

i assume the monorel system in kl is not good enough ha !or may be the chinese is offering the best loan package!I hope they are offering some amazing loans...

aiyoh, poor public transit all over the country and the answer is monorel-monorel...and now maglev monorel? M'sia/JB are swimming in money?

KL monorel isnt good enough, still havent been extended to KL Sentral or Kampung Pasir, trains are still too short, no plans for more frequent service or longer trains...

How come Malaysia has so much money to spend on monorel but not on bas?

Cheers, m

I hope they are offering some amazing loans...

aiyoh, poor public transit all over the country and the answer is monorel-monorel...and now maglev monorel? M'sia/JB are swimming in money?

KL monorel isnt good enough, still havent been extended to KL Sentral or Kampung Pasir, trains are still too short, no plans for more frequent service or longer trains...

How come Malaysia has so much money to spend on monorel but not on bas?

Cheers, m
There are plans to extend the monorail trains to 3 car ones.

Money has been spent on buses too - RapidKL buses.

I used to be skeptical about JB having a Maglev but I think it is now very possible ;)

So before you guys start criticizing again....here's an article for ya'll to digest:



Related link:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200607/24/eng20060724_286049.html

The magnetically levitated train (or maglev train), as called "green transportation" is a breakthrough in the solution to urban traffic problems. Dalian's permanent magnetic levitation project team, a China's research organization of maglev train recently unveiled its fully self-own technology of magnetic engine, which the project team has spent many years in developing. China's first permanent magnet maglev line that runs along 3 kilometers has been put on the schedule of construction and will soon be launched into operation in the development zone of Dalian.

Nowadays, there are three types of magnetic levitation technology in the world, namely, superconducting electromagnetic levitation, normal-conducting electromagnetic levitation and permanent magnetic levitation. The first one is developed and possessed by Japan. The second is developed and owned by Germany. The third is independently developed by the Dalian permanent magnetic levitation project team, and is an innovation completely controlled by China. It is an entirely new technology.

The Dalian permanent magnetic levitation project team started to do research on permanent magnetic levitation in 1998. From 1998 to 2006, the project team made a number of breakthroughs and devised many innovative techniques. On August 7th 2003, a magnetically levitated vehicle made by the team for conveying park visitors was successful in the operation test, indicating that China has its own magnetic levitation technology. After that, the project team succeeded in solving 5 major technical issues. On December 26th 2004, they made a permanent maglev train that made satisfactory performances on a 70-meter long track during operation test.

Magnetic engine is the core technique of a maglev train. The magnetic engine inside a permanent maglev train is a decentralized power device developed by China on its own. This type of engine can help to cut costs dramatically and can reduce energy consumption by about 50 percent. The Dalian project team has managed to develop two types of magnetic engines, one with traction of 105 newtons and the other with traction of 15,000 newtons. The former, with a rated velocity of 140 kilometers per hour and a maximum velocity of 218 kilometers per hour, aims to be used in low-speed permanent maglev train. The latter, with a rated velocity of 268 kilometers per hour and a maxim velocity of 536 kilometers per hour, can be adopted in medium-speed passenger or cargo permanent maglev train.

According to Li Lingqun, a senior member of Dalian permanent magnetic levitation project team, the magnetic levitation technology of foreign countries face two bottleneck problems, namely enormous costs and week levitation force. With much more powerful levitation force, China's permanent maglev train costs 50 percent less than maglev trains developed by other countries.

Professor Yang Jianwu in Beijing University of Technology says, "It (permanent magnetic levitation technology) is a brand new drive technology for transportation and has great market potential. It is China's own magnetic levitation technology."

According to authoritative data, permanent maglev train has six following advantages. First, the train is energy-efficient and environment-friendly. It also has low energy consumption and produces little noise whilst running. Second, the permanent maglev train has high carrying capacity, which is equivalent to that of the current common train. Third, the train is very safe as it integrates carriages with railway and has a powerful control system. Accidents such as derailment and crashes will never happen to the permanent maglev train. Fourth, the total cost of construction of train and railway is much lower than the cost of any foreign counterpart. Fifth, the operation costs of permanent maglev trains are much lower than those of any other maglev trains in the world. It needs less money to run than the current common train. Sixth, this kind of maglev train is economical with land. The railway for this kind of train occupies less land than the expressway does.

By People's Daily Online

There are plans to extend the monorail trains to 3 car ones.

Money has been spent on buses too - RapidKL buses.


Yea.....I could see that Rapid KL had been doing a very good job in maintaining their new buses as well as incresing their fleet number. Their routes now are very very good (based on the hub and spoke system).....much better than the old system :okay:


And our monorails designed by MTrans could fit as many as 12 carriages per train set. However practically, I think they should only fit 6 carriages max per train

Now that our buses are good, RapidKL need to pay more attention to Putraline and Starline. I rode on both yesterday and they are certainly dropping in quality and maintenance fast cause its been just over a month since I last rode on em :( Putraline is extremely packed while Starline is getting louder and louder everyday. Anyone notice that the entire Masjid Jamek station rattles when a train is approaching? :ohno:

Some pics on the Chinese Maglev:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/beethovenmusic/xin_240603091254213188245-1.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/beethovenmusic/xin_210603091254199127643-1.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/beethovenmusic/xin_23060309125400127634-1.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/beethovenmusic/xin_19060309125447641852-1.jpg

Yea.....I could see that Rapid KL had been doing a very good job in maintaining their new buses as well as incresing their fleet number. Their routes now are very very good (based on the hub and spoke system).....much better than the old system :okay:

And our monorails designed by MTrans could fit as many as 12 carriages per train set. However practically, I think they should only fit 6 carriages max per train:

I like the fact that the buses are new...and the system is better organized...but the seats...ouch!

As for the monorail, I hope that mTrans can do a better job on the KL Monorail if they want to promote the use of the technology.

I would support monorails in the outer KL suburbs (that plan for 4 new lines, for example)...but I want to see mTrans prove themselves...expand the current trains to 3 or 4 cars, and build a new line or an extension from KL Sentral to Midvalley (at least) or further south. Run this line along Jalan Tun Sambanthan so the service is better and more realistic and encourages more passenger numbers...

Now that our buses are good, RapidKL need to pay more attention to Putraline and Starline. I rode on both yesterday and they are certainly dropping in quality and maintenance fast cause its been just over a month since I last rode on em :( Putraline is extremely packed while Starline is getting louder and louder everyday. Anyone notice that the entire Masjid Jamek station rattles when a train is approaching? :ohno:Methinks that the increasing cost of fuel has encouraged more people to convert to rail mode, LRT or KTM, rather than the buses.

I think rapidKL would benefit if they can get more people onto the buses...So Ive suggested to them to promote the new "trunk bus" routes by treating them like a system of bus-rapid transit routes...

*highlight the 10-minute service frequency (yes, they really pass every 10 minutes)
*highlight the connection to LRT and the City Shuttles
*new livery and signage to call it BRT or Bas Laju or whatever
*purchase the long 60-foot articulated buses (in the future).
*allow the use of "Touch 'n' Go" cards to purchase the day passes, maybe at the major hubs and suburban interchanges to start

Cheers, m

Some pics on the Chinese Maglev:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/beethovenmusic/xin_19060309125447641852-1.jpgI must admit, never in my life have I imagined a hanging maglev train.

Cheers, m

but I want to see mTrans prove themselves...expand the current trains to 3 or 4 cars, and build a new line or an extension from KL Sentral to Midvalley (at least) or further south. Run this line along Jalan Tun Sambanthan so the service is better and more realistic and encourages more passenger numbers...





They have plans for the extension and they love to expand to Midvalley. That place is like a pot of gold for em. ;)

It seems to me that there are some obstacles along the way. There are too many politics in play actually. That is why the KL Sentral station isn't at KL Sentral at all :(


Your suggestions on the buses are great. Yo ushould highlight em to the company ;)

As for the monorail, I hope that mTrans can do a better job on the KL Monorail if they want to promote the use of the technology.

I see the monorail service as a total system; more than just the trains.

Aside from adding and upgrading the trains for capacity reasons and providing a more efficient ticket issuing system; I think mTrans should also take the opportunity in making their KL monorail system's a showcase- if they are serious in selling this technology abroad & locally.

One of the first things they should do is definitely upgrade their stations. I feel their stations are a bit utilitarian- shoddily built-; not of an international standard that any of us could be proud of. KL Monorail should be an international standard bearer rather than just a substandard one with 'tak apa' attitude. Be the best!

This will greatly improve monorail's overall image both to Malaysians and foreign visitors. Also, its easier to win's prospective partners by bringing them to KL- and see the impressive the system first hand.

In short mTans should see it on a more whollistic view rather than merely blowing their trumpets claiming on how 'good' their 'made in malaysia' trains are.

Besides; I rather see 2-3 really good international class Malaysian monorail manufacturer than 10-20 of these seemingly 'fly-by-nite' companies sprouting from nowhere...

I see the monorail service as a total system; more than just the trains....

quite true...that is why Im confused when I see the monorail plans that have it run along the river in brickfields, instead of along the street...with a shuttle train to KL Sentral.....

I think a future monorail should be built from the south of KL (Kg. Pasir) up to KL Sentral. This line would pass MidValley and travel on Jalan Tun Sambanthan, not along the river, through Brickfields.

In the first phase, the 2nd monorail line could go as far as KL Sentral (in fact, I would like to see an interchange beside the existing terminal station). In the future I would like to see the 2nd monorail line extended further along Jalan Tun Sambanthan to Jalan Sultan Sulaiman (ie closer to the city) and either connected to the existing monorail line or an interchange with Pasar Seni LRT.

As for an extension away from KL, Im not sure. There seems to be a road corridor that could take this monorail as far as Bukit Jalil. Another option would be west along Jalan Klang Lama out to Subang/USJ
Besides; I rather see 2-3 really good international class Malaysian monorail manufacturer than 10-20 of these seemingly 'fly-by-nite' companies sprouting from nowhere...quite true...thats why I dont think that there is room for high competition in this industry.

Cheers, m
ps. sorry if my comments are diverting away from this thread.mya

Not only the chinese offer the best financial package also a crap looking design "maglev"emm its amazing what all these so called fly by nite companies can offer the world to the local authorities!I would not say the system we have in kl now is the best but surely they have proven themself to finally finished it after such delays

^ Glad that someone else also thinks that the hanging maglev design isn't very nice. The interior finishings seem to be a little uhhhhh..... Even MTrans did better with the prototype model. I'd rather they use a local system like Metrail or MTrans' monorail and open that industry in Malaysia. It would help the economy too. I don't think they need to mix maglev and monorail technology together. What are the benefits of having both together anyway, other than acceleration. And in a high density line with stations every 600m or so, who even needs a high speed monorail?\

Allurban, you're probably looking at the old KL Monorail maps when they were getting Hitachi to do the line. When the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis hit, the project was placed on hold. When they had enough funds to restart the monorail line, the authorities realised that it would be too expensive to let Hitachi continue so MTrans was formed to complete the project and it was completed on a smaller scale. The ideal map would be to have the southern "Subang Line" meet with STAR at Old Klang Road, Komuter and PUTRA at Subang Jaya before swinging in to serve USJ.

woa, that is some odd looking train...like out of a sci-fi game or movie...

Maglev and Monorel aiyo where can be in the same breath one!u one a train that travels lets say at 400 kmh to stop everrrrry let say 1200 meters can ah

Maglev and Monorel aiyo where can be in the same breath one!u one a train that travels lets say at 400 kmh to stop everrrrry let say 1200 meters can ah

Why do you automatically associate maglev with high speed? Maglev technology can also be used in low to medium speed transportation. It is all depend on the magnetic force. I doubt the magnetic force used for this monorel can propel the train to 400 kph.

Maglev is a good technology because the train set has virtually zero moving part. Less moving part means less maintenance work and cost. I am sure you guys know how good Malaysians are at maintaining the facilities... :cheers:

^^ Well said! :okay:

In fact if I am not mistaken....the first operational commercial automated system was a low-speed maglev shuttle that ran from the airport terminal of Birmingham International Airport to the nearby Birmingham International railway station in 1984. ;)

But of course nothing beats travelling at 431kmph! :D

Why do you automatically associate maglev with high speed? Maglev technology can also be used in low to medium speed transportation. It is all depend on the magnetic force. I doubt the magnetic force used for this monorel can propel the train to 400 kph.

Maglev is a good technology because the train set has virtually zero moving part. Less moving part means less maintenance work and cost. I am sure you guys know how good Malaysians are at maintaining the facilities... :cheers:
But isn't that why maglev was designed in the first place? Reduce friction to achieve higher speeds. Hence that's why I think of maglev being high speed in the first place. Personally, I'd rather Malaysia use their own brand rather than out source. Hehh.

Hee emm how good we are at maintaining!!emm yeah!truthfully this project will somehow be built,on where and how they going find the best financial package!if its the chinese so u will see the "maglev " so call monorel in johor bahru soon! The worst case lets joint venture with the singaporeans to have the mrt extended into johor bahru
it would be better managed and may be if they lucky make some money in return ha ha!

But isn't that why maglev was designed in the first place? Reduce friction to achieve higher speeds. Hence that's why I think of maglev being high speed in the first place. Personally, I'd rather Malaysia use their own brand rather than out source. Hehh.

Nope! Reduce friction to achieve a higher EFFICIENCY mode of transportation. Lots of energy is wasted just to overcome the friction. With the rate of oil being pumped out of Earth right now, fossil fuel would not last long.

That is the main purpose of maglev technology before train manufacturers adopt it for their super-fast train design. Not really a "success" even after more than 30 years at it.

Allurban, you're probably looking at the old KL Monorail maps when they were getting Hitachi to do the line. When the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis hit, the project was placed on hold. When they had enough funds to restart the monorail line, the authorities realised that it would be too expensive to let Hitachi continue so MTrans was formed to complete the project and it was completed on a smaller scale. The ideal map would be to have the southern "Subang Line" meet with STAR at Old Klang Road, Komuter and PUTRA at Subang Jaya before swinging in to serve USJ.Yah, KL structure plan has a line from KL Sentral out to points south and west of the city. They describe a line to service a government centre at Bukit Indah.

Also, the "new" plan by KLIG (which was in the news 2 months ago) shows a line from USJ/Summit into KL Sentral along Old Klang Rd. with some kind of "interchange" with the KL Monorail.

My thinking is that the KL Monorail idea of going along the river from KL Sentral to Midvalley...is not the best idea...better to run along the roads...more customers, more motivation to use the service...oh, and better awareness of the ad content.

mrtfreak, I actually was looking at the KL Sentral website and they have two different images of KL posted, with different stations as well:

Image 1 (http://www.stesensentral.com/page.cfm?id=32FC15C4-A9B5-AB6A-F08E537CE4421EAE&secid=15083330-FFB6-F987-E219ABFBA66F78B2&type=wyswyg) from KL Sentral website
http://www.stesensentral.com/page.cfm?id=32FC15C4-A9B5-AB6A-F08E537CE4421EAE&secid=15083330-FFB6-F987-E219ABFBA66F78B2&type=wyswyg

Image 2 (http://www.klsentral.com.my/railLinks.html) from main site
http://www.klsentral.com.my/railLinks.html

Why not update, gentlemen?

Cheers, m

Johor Baru commuters to get Maglev monorail system

MUAR - A MEDIUM-SPEED magnetic levitation (Maglev) monorail system will be introduced in Johor Baru soon.

Mentri Besar Abdul Ghani Othman said the project, based on a Chinese monorail design, will cover Tebrau City, Johor Baru Central, Lido Beach and Danga Bay. A team from China will arrive this month to conduct a preliminary study for the 50km route.

'We have decided to introduce such a system in Johor Baru as the monorail train, which uses Maglev technology, is silent and can be built along existing roads,' he said on Friday. 'The technology applies magnetic force to lift the train about 0.8mm above the track and another force to push the vehicle forward.'

Datuk Abdul Ghani said the Chinese system is different from the monorail systems in Germany, Japan and South Korea which employ high-speed technology and are more suitable for use within towns. -- The Star/Asia News Network

How many skyscrapers are there in Johor Bahru? (Rough estimation if you cannot answer)

less than 20

Jalur Mudra to market maglev monorail system in region
August 9 2006
BusinessTimes


Under a deal with Beijing Enterprise, the firm will become the master developer of maglev monorail systems in Malaysia, Singapore and South-East Asia

JOHOR-BASED Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd has secured a technology deal with China's Beijing Enterprise Holdings Ltd (BEHL) to develop and promote the maglev monorail system in the region.

Maglev or magnetic levitation is an advanced technology in which magnetic forces lift, propel and guide the trains over an elevated guideway.

Under the contract sealed in Beijing recently, Jalur Mudra will become the master developer of maglev monorail systems in Malaysia, Singapore and other South-East Asian countries.

Although used primarily in high-speed trains, China has successfully developed and adapted the maglev technology for medium- and slow-speed monorails.

It has a special test centre for this purpose in Chengsha, Hunan province.

The project is funded by BEHL, which is the Hong Kong-listed investment arm of the Beijing city government.

Jalur Mudra chairman Datuk Rashidi Mohd Noor said under the terms of the 10-year contract signed with BEHL, the company will have exclusive rights to develop and market the maglev system in the region.

"We will start with Johor Baru, which will be the first in the region to have a maglev monorail system. It will then become the showcase of the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of this revolutionary technology," he said.

JB monorail to be ready by 2009
Wednesday August 9, 2006
By NELSON BENJAMIN
TheStar

JOHOR BARU: The RM1.3bil Johor monorail project is expected to ferry some 98,000 passengers daily on its 12.5km line along Jalan Tebrau.

The project, which will see all its structures elevated, will have eight stations between Johor Baru Sentral located next to the Causeway and Aeon Jusco near the Pandan Hospital.



http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/8/9/nation/n_p20monorail.jpg



Once it is completed by 2009, the project is expected to ease traffic along the congested Jalan Tebrau – known as the street with the highest number of traffic light junctions in the state. There are nine.

Tickets are also expected to be priced competitively from RM1.50 to RM2.60 for the 13-minute ride between Johor Sentral and Aeon Jusco.

The project has been awarded to Johor-based Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, a special purpose vehicle created for building and operating the Johor monorail project under the Private Financing Initiative (PFI) of the 9th Malaysia Plan.

Its chairman Datuk Mohd Rashidi Mohd Noor said Jalur Mudra was in the final stages of preparations, including the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) report and soil tests.

“We hope to start physical work on the project within the next six to nine months. Our initial work will also include a 2km test line,” he said.

Mohd Rashidi said the pillars to support the two-way glide-way lines will be built on the divider space along Jalan Tebrau.

He said the monorail would run about 6m above the road, and about 50m above where the sections go over a flyover.

Although the locations of the stations have not been finalised, Mohd Rashidi assured the people that the stations would be located strategically next to bus stops and would have ample parking bays.

He said the maglev or magnetic levitation technology from China was efficient as there would not be any noise, friction or smoke emitted from the two coaches which could accommodate about 200 people each.

“People also need not worry about anything falling on them as this technology does not have any wheels or moving parts.

“Even if there is a blackout, the batteries on the train can take it another 6km to the nearest station,” Mohd Rashidi said, adding that the train would be travelling at about 20-30kph.

He said during peak hours from 6am to 9.30am, and from 5pm to 10pm, there would be a train every two minutes. During off-peak hours the interval is four minutes.

“At any one time there will be about eight trains plying the route,” he said, adding that this would greatly help improve the city’s public transport system as people would be assured of prompt service.

Image 1 (http://www.stesensentral.com/page.cfm?id=32FC15C4-A9B5-AB6A-F08E537CE4421EAE&secid=15083330-FFB6-F987-E219ABFBA66F78B2&type=wyswyg) from KL Sentral website
http://www.stesensentral.com/page.cfm?id=32FC15C4-A9B5-AB6A-F08E537CE4421EAE&secid=15083330-FFB6-F987-E219ABFBA66F78B2&type=wyswyg

Image 2 (http://www.klsentral.com.my/railLinks.html) from main site
http://www.klsentral.com.my/railLinks.html

Image 1 is more or less correct. Monorail City station is in actual Tun Sanbanthan station.

Image 2 shows the original plan under Hitachi.

I wonder how reliable this maglev monorail is...

Monorail 80% foreign-funded
BY NELSON BENJAMIN
TheStar

JOHOR BARU: A Dubai-based investor is among several potential foreign investors expected to finance 80% of the RM1.3bil Johor monorail project which is set to begin operations within the next three years.

The balance will be sourced from the shareholders of Johor-based Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, a special purpose vehicle created to build and operate the monorail under the private financing initiative of the Ninth Malaysia Plan.

The 80% is expected to be raised through the issuance of hybrid private debt securities bonds, which will have a 20-year maturity period.




http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/8/9/business/b_01monorail.jpg

A model of the train from China. The Maglev trains for
the Johor monorail project will be based on this model




It is learnt that the foreign investors gave their undertaking to participate in the project about two months ago.

Jalur Mudra has since engaged a consultant to advise on corporate matters, especially on the bond issuance.

Chairman Datuk Mohd Rashidi Mohd Noor, who declined to name the investors, said in a press briefing that the company had sufficient funds for the first phase of the project – a 12.5km elevated line along Jalan Tebrau.

“We anticipate return on investment in about 10 years,” he said, adding that this was relatively good for an investment in a railway system.

Similar to the KL monorail project where all the structures are elevated, the project will have eight stations between Johor Sentral, located next to the causeway, and Aeon Jusco near the Pandan Hospital.

“This project will be a catalyst to promote growth along the Tebrau corridor through the appreciation of real estate,” Rashidi said, adding that the monorail project was part of the Johor Baru Masterplan, which included plans for three light rail transit systems, two mass railway transit systems and a monorail.

Rashidi said the monorail project was a local initiative and would include a maximum 30% participation by the state government through Yayasan Pelajaran Johor (YPJ) or Johor Baru City Council (MBJB).

“It is still not finalised whether it’s going to be YPJ or MBJB.

“Although the state has a stake in the project, it may not have to fork out any money,” he said, adding that they hoped to finalise details, including soil tests and environmental impact assessment soon.

Rashidi said under the agreement with Beijing Enterprise Holdings, a Chinese government subsidiary which funded a 10-year test by China’s National Defence University on magnetic levitation (Maglev) technology, Jalur Mudra had exclusive rights to develop and pattern both the urban and high-speed Maglev trains.

“This means we can also bid for the bullet train project linking Singapore and Kuala Lumpur as our trains can easily touch 500km per hour,” he said, adding that all it needed was to build the elevated glideways or rail on the divider along the North-South Highway.

Rashidi also said Jalur Mudra’s proposal would cost about RM100mil for each kilometre, which would be much cheaper than other rail projects.

Asked why the relatively new technology was used instead of other systems from Germany or Japan which had a proven track record, he said cost was an important factor.

“Anyway, this technology was created by China’s National Defence University for the government and military based on almost 10 years of trials.

“They have just started commercialising the technology and we managed to acquire it at an attractive price,” he said, adding that quality would be assured, as the Chinese would be held responsible for any failure.

Rashidi said although Johor Baru would be the first city in South-East Asia to use this technology, Maglev trains were already operational in Shanghai for the past three years.

Jalur Mudra expects the Johor monorail to ferry some 98,000 passengers daily with tickets priced between RM1.50 and RM2.60 for the 13-minute ride between Johor Sentral and Aeon Jusco.

http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/8/9/nation/n_p20monorail.jpg

The train in that picture looks much better than the suspended one earlier on. Is that what the prototype train looks like in China? Or is that the transrapid maglev? Either way, here's to JB finally getting its own rail transit.

2 coaches though, uhhh. Does anyone think they should make it trains of 3?

Apart from monorail, will KTM Komuter be setting up in JB soon?

Image 1 is more or less correct. Monorail City station is in actual Tun Sanbanthan station.

Image 2 shows the original plan under Hitachi....Yeah, my concern is that I dont understand why they are showing both images on their website.

So far the monorail city project doesnt look like anything. When I am across the river I wonder how they would plan to extend the monorail along the river anyways.

I wonder how reliable this maglev monorail is...Huge question and huge topic...if this company is successful they could seriously revolutionize public transport...and if not.... :runaway:

Cheers, m

Apart from monorail, will KTM Komuter be setting up in JB soon?The articles about the JB masterplan seem to suggest that they will be building heavy rail and light rail...

the thing about the KTM Komuter is that it is technically a light-rail EMU....and it is flexible because the stations are designed for longer trains as well.

But, whats to stop KTM from building a single car or two-car EMU that could run on the 1m gauge of the KTM tracks and on/near the streets as well. Just platform height...the technology is simple.

Can they apply that to JB? Certainly can. :)

KTM Komuter Selatan, anyone? Then the Klang Valley system becomes KTM Komuter Sentral (oh, no, the word central again.... :bash: )

I think that it would be beneficial for JB to stick to one or two types of technology, like the panto and the 1m gauge, to keep things simple and keep costs lower...forget about 3rd rail or LIM technology like they used in KL's elevated "mini-metro" lines.

thoughts?

Cheers, m

Maglev monorail. Interesting. I can imagine the ride being less shaky than the one in KL. Probably speedier too.

As for reliability, I don't think we have to worry about anything. Yet. Low speed maglev is not as complicated as high speed ones. Besides, only the blueprint is procured right? What I'll be more worry about is who will build the trains.

KUALA LUMPUR (XFN-ASIA) - The Johor government has opted for the magnetic levitation (maglev) monorail technology developed by China for the state's capital monorail service due to its cost effectiveness, the New Straits Times newspaper reported.

Maglev is an advanced technology in which magnetic forces lift, propel and guide trains over an elevated track.

The paper said a high-powered Johor delegation led by state minister Abdul Ghani Othman visited China late last month to familiarize themselves with the monorail system there.

During the visit, the delegation went to Chengsa, China's test center for the maglev monorail system.

The newspaper said the Johor government has begun studies on the route for the Johor Baru monorail service which will link the city to all major business and population centers.

The paper said a Johor-based company, Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, has been issued a Letter of Exclusivity to fund, design, build and operate the system.

The Johor government will take a 30 pct stake in the company through its education investment arm, the Yayasan Pelajaran Johor.

The newspaper said phase one of the project, costing 1.3 bln rgt, will involve the building of 8.67 kilometers of tracks at about 137 mln rgt per km.

The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.

The entire monorail system will cover some 50 km and is expected to take about five years to complete, the paper added.

A 1.2 bln usd maglev monorail system between Shanghai and Pudong Airport, built by Germany's Siemens AG and ThyssenKrupp AG, became the world's first commercially-operated maglev line when it began operating regular services in late 2003.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/9/business/15088996&sec=business

To find out more on the Johor Maglev Monorail project,its design,the routes,and the start of its construction...click the address above...

KUALA LUMPUR (XFN-ASIA) - The Johor government has opted for the magnetic levitation (maglev) monorail technology developed by China for the state's capital monorail service due to its cost effectiveness, the New Straits Times newspaper reported.

Maglev is an advanced technology in which magnetic forces lift, propel and guide trains over an elevated track.

The paper said a high-powered Johor delegation led by state minister Abdul Ghani Othman visited China late last month to familiarize themselves with the monorail system there.

During the visit, the delegation went to Chengsa, China's test center for the maglev monorail system.

The newspaper said the Johor government has begun studies on the route for the Johor Baru monorail service which will link the city to all major business and population centers.

The paper said a Johor-based company, Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, has been issued a Letter of Exclusivity to fund, design, build and operate the system.

The Johor government will take a 30 pct stake in the company through its education investment arm, the Yayasan Pelajaran Johor.

The newspaper said phase one of the project, costing 1.3 bln rgt, will involve the building of 8.67 kilometers of tracks at about 137 mln rgt per km.

The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.

The entire monorail system will cover some 50 km and is expected to take about five years to complete, the paper added.

A 1.2 bln usd maglev monorail system between Shanghai and Pudong Airport, built by Germany's Siemens AG and ThyssenKrupp AG, became the world's first commercially-operated maglev line when it began operating regular services in late 2003.

Maglev monorail. Interesting. I can imagine the ride being less shaky than the one in KL. Probably speedier too.



With every new technology comes new problem.

Transrapid maglev train service is famous for occasionally been distrupted due to imbalance in weight. Apparently, this technology requires each side of the train to have an about equal weight for it to levitate properly. Anyway, it is not so much of a problem for Shanghai service because it is an express service and people don't move around inside the train.

Just imagine what would happen for a system which would have people embark and disembark at every stop. Hopefully, this problem has been addressed by the chinese.

REALLY REALLY REALLY (X8888888) HOPE THIS MAGLEV MONORAIL PROJECT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.....

Yeah, my concern is that I dont understand why they are showing both images on their website.

So far the monorail city project doesnt look like anything. When I am across the river I wonder how they would plan to extend the monorail along the river anyways.

Cheers, m
Heh, that's Malaysia for you.

Monorail city, haha. I didn't see how they could attract that many people to it in the first place. Its in the middle of nowhere. Oh, and they're not continuing with the southern leg of the monorail line envisioned by Hitachi. I think the new proposal for the Subang Jaya line has the tracks continuing from the main station side of KL Sentral Monorail station on to Mid Valley and Subang Jaya (parallel to KTM Komuter I suppose).

The articles about the JB masterplan seem to suggest that they will be building heavy rail and light rail...

the thing about the KTM Komuter is that it is technically a light-rail EMU....and it is flexible because the stations are designed for longer trains as well.

But, whats to stop KTM from building a single car or two-car EMU that could run on the 1m gauge of the KTM tracks and on/near the streets as well. Just platform height...the technology is simple.

Can they apply that to JB? Certainly can. :)

KTM Komuter Selatan, anyone? Then the Klang Valley system becomes KTM Komuter Sentral (oh, no, the word central again.... :bash: )

I think that it would be beneficial for JB to stick to one or two types of technology, like the panto and the 1m gauge, to keep things simple and keep costs lower...forget about 3rd rail or LIM technology like they used in KL's elevated "mini-metro" lines.

thoughts?

Cheers, m
Right now, just focus on the Komuter (Selatan) and the maglev monorail. They should try to keep it simple and implement it well. As I've said before, its one thing to have the best idea but the poorest execution rather than a good idea but better execution.

Maglev monorail. Interesting. I can imagine the ride being less shaky than the one in KL.
I dont find the KL monorail anymore shaky than other transits in KL, it seems to me just normal movements like in most metro trains.

REALLY REALLY REALLY (X8888888) HOPE THIS MAGLEV MONORAIL PROJECT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.....

Maglev is a high speed train and high speed trains are only suitable for long distances not monorails that have stops every 500 meters.

REALLY REALLY REALLY (X8888888) HOPE THIS MAGLEV MONORAIL PROJECT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.....

Maglev is a high speed train and high speed trains are only suitable for long distances not monorails that have stops every 500 meters. I dont think these people are looking at the correct proposal

Maglev is a high speed train and high speed trains are only suitable for long distances not monorails that have stops every 500 meters. I dont think these people are looking at the correct proposal

The proposed maglev monorail in Johor Bahru is not going to be fast.It just provides stability.Check out this site

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/MagMono.html

china maglev....save or not???

they even dont use their own technology.

china maglev....save or not???

they even dont use their own technology.

I sat the shanghai maglev train before.....Cool train and although it is travelling at a speed of 554km/h...I don't feel it...It's so smooth...

JB monorail to be ready by 2009

By NELSON BENJAMIN

JOHOR BARU: The RM1.3bil Johor monorail project is expected to ferry some 98,000 passengers daily on its 12.5km line along Jalan Tebrau.

The project, which will see all its structures elevated, will have eight stations between Johor Baru Sentral located next to the Causeway and Aeon Jusco near the Pandan Hospital.


Once it is completed by 2009, the project is expected to ease traffic along the congested Jalan Tebrau – known as the street with the highest number of traffic light junctions in the state. There are nine.

Tickets are also expected to be priced competitively from RM1.50 to RM2.60 for the 13-minute ride between Johor Sentral and Aeon Jusco.

The project has been awarded to Johor-based Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, a special purpose vehicle created for building and operating the Johor monorail project under the Private Financing Initiative (PFI) of the 9th Malaysia Plan.

Its chairman Datuk Mohd Rashidi Mohd Noor said Jalur Mudra was in the final stages of preparations, including the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) report and soil tests.

“We hope to start physical work on the project within the next six to nine months. Our initial work will also include a 2km test line,” he said.

Mohd Rashidi said the pillars to support the two-way glide-way lines will be built on the divider space along Jalan Tebrau.

He said the monorail would run about 6m above the road, and about 50m above where the sections go over a flyover.

Although the locations of the stations have not been finalised, Mohd Rashidi assured the people that the stations would be located strategically next to bus stops and would have ample parking bays.

He said the maglev or magnetic levitation technology from China was efficient as there would not be any noise, friction or smoke emitted from the two coaches which could accommodate about 200 people each.

“People also need not worry about anything falling on them as this technology does not have any wheels or moving parts.

“Even if there is a blackout, the batteries on the train can take it another 6km to the nearest station,” Mohd Rashidi said, adding that the train would be travelling at about 20-30kph.

He said during peak hours from 6am to 9.30am, and from 5pm to 10pm, there would be a train every two minutes. During off-peak hours the interval is four minutes.

“At any one time there will be about eight trains plying the route,” he said, adding that this would greatly help improve the city’s public transport system as people would be assured of prompt service.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2006/8/9/nation/n_p20monorail.jpg

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/8/9/business/b_01monorail.jpg

johor maglev monorail

just love the design of the Johor maglev monorail..Hope it won't be just yellow..should have different colours like red,purple or orange .....

don't know whether will the monorail pass through Danga Bay coz it will be a great idea so i don't have to drive there and get stuck in the jam just to watch an event happening there....

http://www.tangche.com/Lists/product/_uploads/8532_cxf-nei.JPG
monorail interior

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Common temperature superconductor medium/low speed magnetic levitating train is a kind of newly developed traffic means. The train is levitated by attractive force existing between levitated electromagnet and track. There is interval filled with air and no contact and no friction between levitated electromagnet and track. The train is driven by linear motor.

The running speed of common temperature superconductor medium/low speed magnetic levitating train is about 120 km/h that is about equal to that of light rail cars and metro cars. It has advantages of lower vibration noise level, higher climbing ability and passing smaller radius of curve. It is an ideal traffic means of comfort and less pollution. It is more suitable for transportation between scenic spots, areas with complex topography, cities, and inside city. So we can say it will be one of important means of urban railway traffic in the coming years.

The method of DC 750V power supply by contact with track is used for common temperature superconductor medium/low speed magnetic levitating train. Power system is composed of auxiliary power supply, control power supply, levitation power supply and traction power supply. There are 4 sets bogie, 8 linear motors and 32 levitated electromagnets per car. Braking mode consists of electric braking and mechanical braking. Communication system consists of WTB ( wired train bus) and MVB (multifunction vehicle bus). Car body is of super light structure of aluminum alloy and aluminum honeycomb connected by riveting and welding. Light and non-pollution materials are used in every part. Long ribbon structure of side window is adopted. The internal decoration of coach is terse, sprightly, suitable and graceful. There are air-conditioner, television system and public announcement system in the whole train. Car body is of streamline structure with strong feeling of popularity, high speed and bright-color.

Performance parameters:
Max. gradient of track
≤40 ‰

Max. formation
8 cars

Transportation ability of one way
30,000 persons/hour

Length of car body
leading car 15,500 mm
middle car 14,000 mm

Width of car body
3,000 mm

Height of car
3,830 mm (above rail top)

Track gauge
2,000 mm

Design speed
150 km/ h

Max. starting acceleration
1.1 m/s²

Normal braking deceleration
1.1 m/s²

Emergency braking deceleration
1.3 m/s²

Braking distance
120 m (60 km/h)

Tare weight
leading car: 22t
middle car: 21t

Seating capacity
130 persons

Max. levitation force
36t

by johannes wijaya

http://www.pbase.com/johanneswijaya/image/46602836.jpg

I dont find the KL monorail anymore shaky than other transits in KL, it seems to me just normal movements like in most metro trains.There's a lot more side-to-side motion in the monorail than in the LRT

The monorail track is a lot more steeply pitched in turns, and the track is narrow and the centre of gravity is high...and a lot of people like to look towards the windows...all reasons why the re might be more side-side motion.

Cheers, m

I sat the shanghai maglev train before.....Cool train and although it is travelling at a speed of 554km/h...I don't feel it...It's so smooth...
That is germany maglev technology
i think max speed is 431Km

I dont think that Maglev will be suitable for Johor Transportation System since the technology is far expensive than monorail....so I more prefer monorail to be installed in Johor.....:D

I dont think that Maglev will be suitable for Johor Transportation System since the technology is far expensive than monorail....so I more prefer monorail to be installed in Johor.....:D

I supposed you never read the articles I posted on this forum.It seems that the new Johor Maglev Monorail is surprisingly far more cheaper then putra,star and KL monorail in Kuala Lumpur..I too cannot explain it also...

That is germany maglev technology
i think max speed is 431Km

The max speed is 554km/h.........

I am very sorry if I was wrong....but I just give my opinion from my common sense...:)
I supposed you never read the articles I posted on this forum.It seems that the new Johor Maglev Monorail is surprisingly far more cheaper then putra,star and KL monorail in Kuala Lumpur..I too cannot explain it also...

I am very sorry if I was wrong....but I just give my opinion from my common sense...:)

No lar...I was saying for fun only lar...I know..this forum is used for users to express their comments and different people have different views...So..it's nothing anyway..... :) ...But from what i know..the ticket price for this maglev monorail is between RM1.00 and RM2.60.....So i think should be ok...

No lar....I am not taking that so serious...just apologize if my statement is wrong.....but just quite unbelievable that Maglev is cheaper than monorail......:D

any more evidences that Maglev is cheaper than monorail??
No lar...I was saying for fun only lar...I know..this forum is used for users to express their comments and different people have different views...So..it's nothing anyway..... :) ...But from what i know..the ticket price for this maglev monorail is between RM1.00 and RM2.60.....So i think should be ok...

No lar....I am not taking that so serious...just apologize if my statement is wrong.....but just quite unbelievable that Maglev is cheaper than monorail......:D

any more evidences that Maglev is cheaper than monorail??
aiyo...no need to say sorry lar..hai~~~......your statement is not wrong...it's a suggestion or an opinion.....here,i copied this sentence from a news article...

'The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.'

:runaway:
This really open my eyes...Thanks you so much for the info.....
I think they may try to incoorperate the MAglev technology into monorail system.......
aiyo...no need to say sorry lar..hai~~~......your statement is not wrong...it's a suggestion or an opinion.....here,i copied this sentence from a news article...

'The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.'

:runaway:
This really open my eyes...Thanks you so much for the info.....
I think they may try to incoorperate the MAglev technology into monorail system.......

pray hard that this maglev monorail be a success.....I heard construction of this maglev monorail will start soon.They are currently doing some soil test and some research.How i wish this monorail will linked all the shopping malls in Johor bahru like tebrau city,pelangi plaza,city square and most important is Danga Bay to avoid traffic congestion.

This news just in.......

Fire on Shanghai levitating train

Friday, August 11, 2006; Posted: 8:29 a.m. EDT (12:29 GMT)

SHANGHAI, China (Reuters) -- The high-speed magnetic levitation train running between Shanghai and its international airport caught fire on Friday, forcing the train to be evacuated, but there were no serious injuries, witnesses said.

A small blaze broke out in the area of the propulsion equipment as the Maglev left Pudong International Airport, people on the train said.

The train, which can travel up to 430 km (270 miles) an hour, had just begun to accelerate when the fire was noticed. Firemen extinguished the blaze and helped passengers off the train and its elevated track, which runs 30 km (19 miles) into Shanghai.

Chinese state television said authorities had established the fire was not set deliberately. The side of the line running in the direction of Shanghai stopped operating, and it was unclear when it would reopen. Officials of the company running the line were unavailable to comment.

In 2003, China became the first country in the world to operate a Maglev train on a commercial basis. The Chinese government and a German consortium including Siemens have been discussing the possibility of extending the line by 160 km (100 miles) to the city of Hangzhou.

This news just in.......

Fire on Shanghai levitating train

Friday, August 11, 2006; Posted: 8:29 a.m. EDT (12:29 GMT)

SHANGHAI, China (Reuters) -- The high-speed magnetic levitation train running between Shanghai and its international airport caught fire on Friday, forcing the train to be evacuated, but there were no serious injuries, witnesses said.

A small blaze broke out in the area of the propulsion equipment as the Maglev left Pudong International Airport, people on the train said.

The train, which can travel up to 430 km (270 miles) an hour, had just begun to accelerate when the fire was noticed. Firemen extinguished the blaze and helped passengers off the train and its elevated track, which runs 30 km (19 miles) into Shanghai.

Chinese state television said authorities had established the fire was not set deliberately. The side of the line running in the direction of Shanghai stopped operating, and it was unclear when it would reopen. Officials of the company running the line were unavailable to comment.

In 2003, China became the first country in the world to operate a Maglev train on a commercial basis. The Chinese government and a German consortium including Siemens have been discussing the possibility of extending the line by 160 km (100 miles) to the city of Hangzhou.

Are you trying to say that the Johor Maglev Monorail will also catch fire? :sleepy:

If I were the government or the policy maker, I would just forget about this conventional monorail or LRT proposal. I would go for the latest revolutionary concept of public transport - Personal Rapid Transport.

Check out http://www.taxi2000.com

The benefits:
1. Point-to-point transport. Don't have to stop at every station along the way.
2. Personal cabin. Don't have to share with strangers.
3. The cab is waiting for the passengers instead of the other way around.

I am rather confused, has the JB monorail project been comfirmed or still within planning. From past experience,I cannot trust the words of Johor's Chief Minister. But I really hope that the project will proceed...JB really needs it. However, I dun think maglev is a good idea, it's so expensive..about 2-3 times more expensive than conventional monorails....and we can see that the proposed maglev line is only 10km but cost RM1 billion!!!!

I am rather confused, has the JB monorail project been comfirmed or still within planning. From past experience,I cannot trust the words of Johor's Chief Minister. But I really hope that the project will proceed...JB really needs it. However, I dun think maglev is a good idea, it's so expensive..about 2-3 times more expensive than conventional monorails....and we can see that the proposed maglev line is only 10km but cost RM1 billion!!!!

They are currently doing some soil test.The project will start next year i guess.Surprisingly,the maglev monorail is cheaper than other monorails...And the maglev monorail line is more then 10km...herei copied this sentence from a news article..

'The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.'

They are currently doing some soil test.The project will start next year i guess.Surprisingly,the maglev monorail is cheaper than other monorails...And the maglev monorail line is more then 10km...herei copied this sentence from a news article..

'The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.'

How can we trust that paper when it says that Putra and Star are monorails... I really doubt maglev is really as cheap as they say... If it were everyone would be adopting that technology...

This project is rather rushed. It seems the Johor Chief Minister wanna beat Penang in getting its monorail system running first since these two cities compete for the title as 2nd city of Malaysia. :)

I hope the Maglev monorail technology would be transfered into Malaysian hands, then Malaysia could be a major producer of monorail technology, we already have MTrans(Alweg monorail) and Metrail(Hybrid monorail), the maglev monorail technology would be an excellent addition.

Are you trying to say that the Johor Maglev Monorail will also catch fire? :sleepy:
You're taking things too literally. It just shows that maglev technology is also just as susceptible to other failures as other systems are.

They are currently doing some soil test.The project will start next year i guess.Surprisingly,the maglev monorail is cheaper than other monorails...And the maglev monorail line is more then 10km...herei copied this sentence from a news article..

'The paper said this is considerably cheaper than the Star and Putra light rail systems in Kuala Lumpur, which are two different monorail systems costing 150 mln rgt and 175 mln rgt per km respectively.'
Star is a conventional metro system while PUTRA is an Advanced Rapid Transit (ART) system. Neither are monorails. The papers ALWAYS mix these forms of transit up. Monorails have one rail. Star runs on double rails (like KTM) as does PUTRA along with its Linear Induction Motor (LIM) plate. Technically, any monorail system would be cheaper than these since monorails do not require gangways to be built in box sections and have smaller footprints (pillar would be smaller). So therefore, it isn't wise to compare metros against monorails since metros would definitely lose out immediately. Also, taking into account, PUTRA does go underground pushing up costs.

They need to really think these routes and technologies through. The best proposal would be one that was effective in coverage yet at an affordable rate maglev or no maglev.

If I were the government or the policy maker, I would just forget about this conventional monorail or LRT proposal. I would go for the latest revolutionary concept of public transport - Personal Rapid Transport.

Check out http://www.taxi2000.com

The benefits:
1. Point-to-point transport. Don't have to stop at every station along the way.
2. Personal cabin. Don't have to share with strangers.
3. The cab is waiting for the passengers instead of the other way around.

This is a very fresh idea... I kinda like it... is any city in the world currently using it?

This is a very fresh idea... I kinda like it... is any city in the world currently using it?

Heathrow Airport is implementing it - to transfer people from its parking lots to the terminals.

^ But won't it require waaay more cabins for downtown JB? I can also actually picture a long jam on the line during peak hours

^ But won't it require waaay more cabins for downtown JB? I can also actually picture a long jam on the line during peak hours

Of course more cabs are required for a city. Jam is when cars stop moving. Just imagine thousands of cars move on a highway with constant speed. No jam right? :cheers:

Website of the system to be implemented at LHR - http://www.atsltd.co.uk
UK version of PRT.

Guys,

I ave corresponded with some guys at The Monorail Society and it seems that the proposed Chinese maglev monorail system for Jahor Bharu may not be a monorail system after all....???!!!! So, is it just a maglev rail system?

Guys,

I ave corresponded with some guys at The Monorail Society and it seems that the proposed Chinese maglev monorail system for Jahor Bharu may not be a monorail system after all....???!!!! So, is it just a maglev rail system?

What is their definition of monorail?

To me, regardless the type of technology the train may have, if it runs on a single track then it is a MONOrail.

Viable transport system
16 Aug 2006
ALLAM TAUFIK SAID, Engineering director, Jalur Mudra


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WITH reference to Lee L. Cheran’s comments on the proposed mass transit system for Johor ("Maglev not a viable solution" — NST, Aug 11), we would like to clarify a few points.

• Despite the similarities, monorail and Maglev are two distinctly different systems. The one thing in common is that both systems straddle the guideway track, wrapping the train body around it.

But while the monorail has a single rail around which a set of wheels wraps around for guidance and stability, Maglev does not have a wheel-based mechanism — it is pure electromagnetic force that elevates and propels it forward.

Unlike the monorail, the Maglev system uses a wider train body, and has 30-50 per cent higher passenger capacity per unit of length compared to other systems currently in use in Malaysia.

Its characteristics and infrastructure requirements make it easier to expand the service when passenger demand grows, without having to provide for huge trains and stations — therefore saving on cost of implementation, land acquisition, and other matters.

• In its initial stage, Shanghai’s high-speed Maglev was built using German technology. However, China has had its own (both urban and high speed) Maglev development for many years. During the early stages, a huge chunk of German Maglev platform has been commercially tested, evaluated and improved upon by the Chinese. To date, any subsequent German Maglev projects in China will have to incorporate 80-90 per cent Chinese technology.

• The quoted RM100 million per km total system cost is basically the worst-case scenario. We’re confident of achieving the final cost at well below this sum.

In projects like this, our preference is to cover the worst-case price first, and beat it — rather than quote an unrealistically low cost, then face a budget overrun halfway through, and beg for a bailout.

In terms of its returns: no rail system in the world relies only on ticketing revenue. Other revenue streams, like advertisement/sponsorship fees, station property development income and so on can sometimes equal or exceed ticketing revenue.

We have a financial model in place that relies on a mix of income streams to provide a true Private Finance Initiative.

• Despite the similarities, monorail and Maglev are two distinctly different systems. The one thing in common is that both systems straddle the guideway track, wrapping the train body around it.

But while the monorail has a single rail around which a set of wheels wraps around for guidance and stability, Maglev does not have a wheel-based mechanism — it is pure electromagnetic force that elevates and propels it forward.

Unlike the monorail, the Maglev system uses a wider train body, and has 30-50 per cent higher passenger capacity per unit of length compared to other systems currently in use in Malaysia.The KL Monorail has a problem with the side-side motion because of a narrow, single rail, plus a high centre of gravity narrow. This train will have a single rail, plus a high centre of gravity plus a wider train body??

that would mean even more side-side motion, wouldnt it?

Cheers, m

Chinese Urban Maglev has wider track (~2 m total), similar size to the Transrapid, plus a much lower centre of gravity, allowing far less side motion plus it has tighter turns (50 m curve radius at 50 km/h turning speed).

The KL Monorail has a problem with the side-side motion because of a narrow, single rail, plus a high centre of gravity narrow. This train will have a single rail, plus a high centre of gravity plus a wider train body??

that would mean even more side-side motion, wouldnt it?

Cheers, m

maglevs use electromagnets to stabilise the train from side-side motion ;)

http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/art/art04/1104feat5.jpg

how about the Maglev operating cost???

how about the Maglev operating cost???

1.3 billion....

heard the johor maglev monorail project will start in february next year...wouldn't it be better if they start now??..

I sat the shanghai maglev train before.....Cool train and although it is travelling at a speed of 554km/h...I don't feel it...It's so smooth...

That is germany maglev technology
i think max speed is 431Km

The max speed is 554km/h.........

I seriously dunno where did you get the figure of 554kmph from, because the top-most speed ever (world record) to be achieve by a commercial maglev is 501kmph which is by the Shanghai Transrapid during one of its pre-commercial record-breaking run back in Nov 12, 2003

I can confirm that the maximum operating speed of the Shanghai Transrapid is at 431km/h. Here's the concrete proof:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/CITIES%20and%20TOWNS/China/Shanghai/Shanghai%20Transrapid/GIMG_0132sm.jpg



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/CITIES%20and%20TOWNS/China/Shanghai/Shanghai%20Transrapid/GIMG_0131sm.jpg






If you are still in doubt here's more documentation:

http://www.answers.com/shanghai%20transrapid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Transrapid

http://chineseculture.about.com/library/weekly/aa_sh_train02a.htm

http://english.people.com.cn/200212/31/eng20021231_109372.shtml

http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20030809_pudong_airport_maglev_in_depth.htm


And finally from the horses' mouth: http://www.transrapid.de/cgi-tdb/en/basics.prg?session=42f948ec44cfbc9b&a_no=9

^^ I believe they can't be wrong :D Besides I have provide photographic evidence of its top speed so........ :D

I seriously dunno where did you get the figure of 554kmph from, because the top-most speed ever (world record) to be achieve by a commercial maglev is 501kmph which is by the Shanghai Transrapid during one of its pre-commercial record-breaking run back in Nov 12, 2003

I can confirm that the maximum operating speed of the Shanghai Transrapid is at 431km/h. Here's the concrete proof:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/CITIES%20and%20TOWNS/China/Shanghai/Shanghai%20Transrapid/GIMG_0132sm.jpg



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/CITIES%20and%20TOWNS/China/Shanghai/Shanghai%20Transrapid/GIMG_0131sm.jpg






If you are still in doubt here's more documentation:

http://www.answers.com/shanghai%20transrapid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Transrapid

http://chineseculture.about.com/library/weekly/aa_sh_train02a.htm

http://english.people.com.cn/200212/31/eng20021231_109372.shtml

http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20030809_pudong_airport_maglev_in_depth.htm


And finally from the horses' mouth: http://www.transrapid.de/cgi-tdb/en/basics.prg?session=42f948ec44cfbc9b&a_no=9

^^ I believe they can't be wrong :D Besides I have provide photographic evidence of its top speed so........ :D

I sat the shanghai maglev train last year....and i saw the speedometer.A pity i did not took a picture of the speedometer...even if i am wrong,i saw it was 454km/h..comfirm..Hmm.....wonder my eyes were playing tricks on me or the speedometer was out

heard the johor maglev monorail project will start in february next year...wouldn't it be better if they start now??..

This is the company's first commercial project and studies had to be conducted on-site first. Then there is the issue of financing. Even if you wanna renovate your house also you need some time to think about it right?

So for such megaproject to be implemented and built, it takes time. It would be lucky for JB to have such project to take off in such short time. ;)

This is the company's first commercial project and studies had to be conducted on-site first. Then there is the issue of financing. Even if you wanna renovate your house also you need some time to think about it right?

So for such megaproject to be implemented and built, it takes time. It would be lucky for JB to have such project to take off in such short time. ;)

i know lar.....but u also can't wait for the maglev monorail train right???

I hope tis article below will make you more understand what is actually the maglev monorail that will be built in JB in 6 months time..

• Despite the similarities, monorail and Maglev are two distinctly different systems. The one thing in common is that both systems straddle the guideway track, wrapping the train body around it.

But while the monorail has a single rail around which a set of wheels wraps around for guidance and stability, Maglev does not have a wheel-based mechanism — it is pure electromagnetic force that elevates and propels it forward.

Unlike the monorail, the Maglev system uses a wider train body, and has 30-50 per cent higher passenger capacity per unit of length compared to other systems currently in use in Malaysia.

Its characteristics and infrastructure requirements make it easier to expand the service when passenger demand grows, without having to provide for huge trains and stations — therefore saving on cost of implementation, land acquisition, and other matters.

• In its initial stage, Shanghai’s high-speed Maglev was built using German technology. However, China has had its own (both urban and high speed) Maglev development for many years. During the early stages, a huge chunk of German Maglev platform has been commercially tested, evaluated and improved upon by the Chinese. To date, any subsequent German Maglev projects in China will have to incorporate 80-90 per cent Chinese technology.

• The quoted RM100 million per km total system cost is basically the worst-case scenario. We’re confident of achieving the final cost at well below this sum.

In projects like this, our preference is to cover the worst-case price first, and beat it — rather than quote an unrealistically low cost, then face a budget overrun halfway through, and beg for a bailout.

In terms of its returns: no rail system in the world relies only on ticketing revenue. Other revenue streams, like advertisement/sponsorship fees, station property development income and so on can sometimes equal or exceed ticketing revenue.

We have a financial model in place that relies on a mix of income streams to provide a true Private Finance Initiative.


Please do indicate the source of this article ....thanks! We wouldn't wanna get any lawsuit for copyright infringement/unlawful use of intellectual properties here...thanks again!

;)

i know lar.....but u also can't wait for the maglev monorail train right???


You know then good lar.......why push for an unrealistic deadline?

I too am eager to have this maglev monorail but I prefer to be more realistic :yes:

I sat the shanghai maglev train last year....and i saw the speedometer.A pity i did not took a picture of the speedometer...even if i am wrong,i saw it was 454km/h..comfirm..Hmm.....wonder my eyes were playing tricks on me or the speedometer was out


All my friends whom have been on the Shanghai Transrapid said it tops at 431kmph. And of course I believe you've read those links I've posted right?

The Transrapid website couldn't have lied can't they? :eek:

china maglev....save or not???

they even dont use their own technology.


The Chinese Maglev that the JB wants to have uses home-grown technology ;) The Chinese maglev technology uses a different system from the Japanese and the Germans (Transrapid) :yes:

There's a lot more side-to-side motion in the monorail than in the LRT

The monorail track is a lot more steeply pitched in turns, and the track is narrow and the centre of gravity is high...and a lot of people like to look towards the windows...all reasons why the re might be more side-side motion.

Cheers, m


There are noticeable side-to-side motion because monorails typically uses rubber tyres and in an Alweg-type monorail, the wheels are mounted horizontally ;)

Please do indicate the source of this article ....thanks! We wouldn't wanna get any lawsuit for copyright infringement/unlawful use of intellectual properties here...thanks again!

;)

It's from news straits times...

It's from news straits times...


Thanks........maybe you could redit your post and put 'New Straits Times' there......I would appreciate it if you could name the sources the next time because there are some publications out there which is not too kind to people reusing and reproducing their articles. Thanks! :)

Thanks........maybe you could redit your post and put 'New Straits Times' there......I would appreciate it if you could name the sources the next time because there are some publications out there which is not too kind to people reusing and reproducing their articles. Thanks! :)

thanks...i will follow ur advice..

thanks...i will follow ur advice..


Thanks for responding but as of now you still have not edit your post. Please take note :)

Thanks for responding but as of now you still have not edit your post. Please take note :)
in the future

in the future


Please do it now. If we get any lawsuit, are you gonna be responsible for it? Although I could edit your post but please do not expect me to do so as I have done much cleaning up for you in the past. Thanks!

Please do it now. If we get any lawsuit, are you gonna be responsible for it? Although I could edit your post but please do not expect me to do so as I have done much cleaning up for you in the past. Thanks!

done it.By the way,thanks for cleaning up for me in the past but you could have told me then i will clean it up myself....Why you so susah sasah and pandai pandai go and do it yourself???? :eek2:

done it.By the way,thanks for cleaning up for me in the past but you could have told me then i will clean it up myself....Why you so susah sasah and pandai pandai go and do it yourself???? :eek2:


What do you mean by susah-susah and pandai-pandai?

If you are so pandai, you would have known that I am the moderator and only a moderator could clean the mess you've created. How would you have moved your posts to another thread? You can't do it because you do not have the access to do so.

But what you could do is that in the future, please READ and understand a thread carefully before posting. YOu just do not simply post everything under the sun in a single thread. Some common sense in postings would be greatly appreciated. :okay:

And please do take note that I am not gonna be here 24/7 as a janitor to clean up the mess for ya. Please be a responsible forumer to make this forum an enjoyable place for all. Thanks! :)

What do you mean by susah-susah and pandai-pandai?

If you are so pandai, you would have known that I am the moderator and only a moderator could clean the mess you've created. How would you have moved your posts to another thread? You can't do it because you do not have the access to do so.

But what you could do is that in the future, please READ and understand a thread carefully before posting. YOu just do not simply post everything under the sun in a single thread. Some common sense in postings would be greatly appreciated. :okay:

And please do take note that I am not gonna be here 24/7 as a janitor to clean up the mess for ya. Please be a responsible forumer to make this forum an enjoyable place for all. Thanks! :)

I can edit my post and moved it to another thread,then the blank one i can paste another article about skyscrapers in johor bahru....I have lots of article to be put at awesome johor bahru.I promise that i will read and understand the thread carefully.Initially,i thought awesome johor bahru thread was everything about johor bahru.But now,since u said it's only about skyscrapers,then i will put in articles about skyscrapers.And for your information,i did not regard u as a janitor for this forum which i think you don't have to be actually if you have told me on the forum to delete all articles that do not concern skyscrapers in johor bahru.I am the one responsible for all those articles so it's my responsibility to clean up all the mess not you.I should be the janitor not you.I should be wrong not you.You are also like everyone like us here.A part of the forum.And.....please correct me in the future if i have put any articles that are not related.Next time ,tell me...then i will clean it up myself....so u won't be awesome johor bahru's janitor..Once again,I'm sorry(x888) if i have caused you any incovenience or whatever......Thanks...and my apologies....

I can edit my post and moved it to another thread,then the blank one i can paste another article about skyscrapers in johor bahru....I have lots of article to be put at awesome johor bahru.I promise that i will read and understand the thread carefully.Initially,i thought awesome johor bahru thread was everything about johor bahru.But now,since u said it's only about skyscrapers,then i will put in articles about skyscrapers.And for your information,i did not regard u as a janitor for this forum which i think you don't have to be actually if you have told me on the forum to delete all articles that do not concern skyscrapers in johor bahru.I am the one responsible for all those articles so it's my responsibility to clean up all the mess not you.I should be the janitor not you.I should be wrong not you.You are also like everyone like us here.A part of the forum.And.....please correct me in the future if i have put any articles that are not related.Next time ,tell me...then i will clean it up myself....so u won't be awesome johor bahru's janitor..Once again,I'm sorry(x888) if i have caused you any incovenience or whatever......Thanks...and my apologies....



Thanks for the offer to correct all you've done wrong. No problem on my part ;)

Since I've already cleaned up most of your stuffs, I just hope that you wouldn't mess it again :D Anyway please feel free to open a new thread to post your articles. Although posting articles are welcomed here but I hope you (and any other forumers for that matter) to do it moderately. To simply post too many articles equates to spamming. :yes:

The 'Skyscraper and cityscapes' subforum are meant to be for pictures and other comments. However a small amount of articles are permissable for threads like 'Awesome JB' which started off as a pictorial thread. There are threads esp for news articles and further discussion. Try not to spam a pictorial thread with news articles :)

Please do not hijack a thread. Create your own. For those whom are not too sure if such thread exist, please do look it up in the backpages. Try not to duplicate threads. If I could do so, I believe everyone here could too........Thanks! :yes:

Thanks for the offer to correct all you've done wrong. No problem on my part ;)

Since I've already cleaned up most of your stuffs, I just hope that you wouldn't mess it again :D Anyway please feel free to open a new thread to post your articles. Although posting articles are welcomed here but I hope you (and any other forumers for that matter) to do it moderately. To simply post too many articles equates to spamming. :yes:

The 'Skyscraper and cityscapes' subforum are meant to be for pictures and other comments. However a small amount of articles are permissable for threads like 'Awesome JB' which started off as a pictorial thread. There are threads esp for news articles and further discussion. Try not to spam a pictorial thread with news articles :)

Please do not hijack a thread. Create your own. For those whom are not too sure if such thread exist, please do look it up in the backpages. Try not to duplicate threads. If I could do so, I believe everyone here could too........Thanks! :yes:

allright..........

allright..........
lol.... I feel ya pain bro.... :runaway:

^^ What so painful about that? If you got anything please voice it out here. no need to hide-hide :yes:

lol.... I feel ya pain bro.... :runaway:

har????????????????????.....what pain?????....

This thread is for JB Maglev only. It is not for you two keep chatting here. I want the information about the project, not chatters. Could anyone post more information or even comments about the JB maglev project? Thank you.

This thread is for JB Maglev only. It is not for you two keep chatting here. I want the information about the project, not chatters. Could anyone post more information or even comments about the JB maglev project? Thank you.


We are not chatting. If you have nothing constructive to said then please do not post. Your post isn't informative either. Please try not to get some cheap publicity here by being noble. Thanks! :)

^^If you got anything please voice it out here. no need to hide-hide :yes:

back off cowboy...

back off cowboy...


What is that supposed to mean? If you have nothing constructive to say, please do not post. Thanks! :)

This thread is for JB Maglev only. It is not for you two keep chatting here. I want the information about the project, not chatters. Could anyone post more information or even comments about the JB maglev project? Thank you.

currently,there are no news yet regarding on the new Johor maglev monorail........The project will start next year in February...From what i heard,now they are currently doing some soil test along the tebrau highway and some surveys and research.....So there will be more news next year........So,we just have to wait..........

We are not chatting. If you have nothing constructive to said then please do not post. Your post isn't informative either. Please try not to get some cheap publicity here by being noble. Thanks! :)
Sorry, I am not that kind of person who try to get the cheap publicity here through being noble. I just felt disappointed as I visit this website everyday in order to see what people react and discuss about that project but now i only see nothing but arguments. Don't judge on me in that kind of way!!

HEY HEY HEY!!!!..///ALLRIGHT.....STOP FIGHTING BECAUSE OF ME....SZE HONG AND RYANTEY...ENOUGH...RYANTEY,ME AND SZEHONG HAVE SOLVED THE ISSUE SO WE ARE NOT ARGUING ANYMORE....AND AS FOR SZEHONG,BECAREFUL OF YOUR WORDS... CASE CLOSE....LET'S CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON JB MAGLEV MONORAIL...OKAY/?????

JOHOR - A medium-speed magnetic levitation (Maglev) monorail system
will be introduced in Johor Baru soon._ .."The monorail train, which
uses Maglev technology, is silent and can be built along existing
roads." .. Abdul Ghani said the Chinese system was different from
the monorail systems used in Germany .. The Chinese system is most
suitable for town use. .. He said the system for Johor Baru was the
first phase while the second phase would cover Senai Airport and the
Pasir Gudang and Tanjung Pelepas ports. .."

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/5/nation/15056108
Maglev rail system for Johor Baru

By HAMDAN RAJA ABDULLAH, The Star (Malaysia), Aug 5

MUAR: A medium-speed magnetic levitation (Maglev) monorail system
will be introduced in Johor Baru soon.

Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said the project, based on a
monorail system implemented by a company in China, will cover Tebrau
City, JB Central, Lido Beach and Danga Bay.

The route is expected to be around 50km long while the cost has not
been announced yet.

Abdul Ghani said a team of experts from China would visit Johor Baru
this month to conduct a preliminary study.

“We have decided to introduce such a system in Johor Baru as the
monorail train, which uses Maglev technology, is silent and can be
built along existing roads.

“The technology applies magnetic force to lift the train about 0.8mm
above the track and another force to push the vehicle forward,” he
said after opening a futsal pitch donated by Pelangi Bhd to residents
in Serom near here yesterday.

Abdul Ghani said the Chinese system was different from the monorail
systems used in Germany, Japan and South Korea which use high-speed
technology. The Chinese system is most suitable for town use.

He said high-speed trains were suitable for inter-city, inter-state
or inter-country transportation as they could travel at more than
400kph.

The state government, he said, would identify the route for the
monorail system.

He said the system for Johor Baru was the first phase while the
second phase would cover Senai Airport and the Pasir Gudang and
Tanjung Pelepas ports.

To a question on the bullet train project from Kuala Lumpur to
Singapore proposed by the YTL Group, Abdul Ghani said he could not
elaborate on the matter.

However, he said the South Johor Economic Region project would
provide a tremendous boost to the economic growth of the state.

He said there would be more than one million new jobs created in the
region and most would be for those with skills and expertise.

“The new growth region will provide greater economic opportunities to
the people and I urge locals living in the region to also participate
to benefit from the project,” he said.



i took it from this site http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/UrbanMaglev/message/15811

JB folk want monorail to Singapore
10 Oct 2006
Ravi Nambiar


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JOHOR BARU: Please extend the Johor Baru monorail service to Woodlands in Singapore. This is what 76 per cent of the 500 people polled in a recent survey said.

Commissioned by Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, the company given the Letter of Exclusivity by the Johor government to operate the monorail service, the survey was based on race, gender and occupation.

Mediaplus Consultants, a local research group, found that few wanted the service to end at the Causeway.

"The public is definitely behind this as can be seen in the survey findings," said Dr R. Sankaran, the chief co-ordinator of the survey.

While the survey did not ask why the public wanted the line extended to Singapore, it could be because the monorail will make it more convenient for those travelling to work in the republic.

Jalur Mudra is waiting to sign the concession agreement with the Johor government sometime after Hari Raya.

Work is expected to start on the 50km service early next year, beginning with the first line serving the Jalan Tebrau Corridor.

The two-phase project is expected to cost RM1.3 billion.

The survey, completed in August, saw respondents interviewed at 10 locations along the Jalan Tebrau Corridor, the proposed first phase of the monorail route.

Among other key findings were:

• More than three-fourths of the respondents (78.6 per cent) rated public transport here as poor;

• The majority feel the city needs a monorail service and welcome the idea;

• They concur that the line should first cover the Tebrau Corridor as it has the biggest population catchment;

• That the train stations be built near existing bus stops with ample car parking facilities; and

• That the proposed one-way fare of RM2.60 for the first 13km line is reasonable. Most prefer either cash or Touch-and-Go payment.

Sankaran said the survey showed most people to be remarkably well-informed about the monorail,having taken the trains in Kuala Lumpur or Singapore.

"Their expectations of the service here, therefore, are very high. Their overriding considerations are safety and security although comfort, speed and ticket prices are also of concern."

He said the survey questionnaire also contained a supplementary question about the proposed high-speed train service between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, and majority of the respondents (88 per cent) want the train to stop in Johor Baru.

"There was a resounding ‘no’ to the plan for the train to bypass JB and stop in Singapore. Most people here find this unacceptable," Sankaran said.

YTL Corp is doing a feasibility study on a RM8 billion service, which will whisk commuters between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur in just 90 minutes.

The service will be fashioned after China’s "maglev" monorail network in Beijing, which is based on magnetic levitation technology where magnetic forces lift, propel and guide the trains over an elevated guideway.

Jalur Mudra will submit the survey findings to the Johor government.

-news straits times

JB folk want monorail to Singapore
10 Oct 2006
JOHOR BARU: Please extend the Johor Baru monorail service to Woodlands in Singapore. This is what 76 per cent of the 500 people polled in a recent survey said.

Among other key findings were:

• More than three-fourths of the respondents (78.6 per cent) rated public transport here as poor;

• The majority feel the city needs a monorail service and welcome the idea;

• They concur that the line should first cover the Tebrau Corridor as it has the biggest population catchment;

• That the train stations be built near existing bus stops with ample car parking facilities; and

• That the proposed one-way fare of RM2.60 for the first 13km line is reasonable. Most prefer either cash or Touch-and-Go payment. Very interesting. I hope that they get what they are looking for.

If this were to happen, Singapore would have 2 monorail lines, from Harbourfront-Sentosa and Woodlands to Johor

Why not cooperate and share some knowledge and get some support from Singaporean interests....

Although there is one caveat...with the number of people going through the causeway daily....there's no way a monorail service will meet the demand.

Cheers, m

I suppose monorail trains are limited by their width. Obviously, they can't get too wide without getting unstable. Maybe an automated system that shuttles from JB Sentral to Woodlands or Marsiling station in Singapore? Checkpoint facilities could be constructed at either MRT station. So, once the travellers have checked through customs, they can then board the shuttle train to the other checkpoint and then transfer to the next mode of transport, JB Monorail/Komuter or the MRT.

As for using maglev technology, I still have reservations about the technology.

Very interesting. I hope that they get what they are looking for.

If this were to happen, Singapore would have 2 monorail lines, from Harbourfront-Sentosa and Woodlands to Johor

Why not cooperate and share some knowledge and get some support from Singaporean interests....

Although there is one caveat...with the number of people going through the causeway daily....there's no way a monorail service will meet the demand.

Cheers, m

I think most Singaporeans would want the monorail or any rail service to connect from Kranji Station (Marsiling Station is too cramped up in a residential neighbourhood, and Woodlands Station is too far from the Checkpoint) to JB as well. So I guess thats one thing Malaysians and Singaporeans agree on but the authorities are reluctant to implement.

Trains of Singapore's MRT Circle Line 3 car capacity should be sufficient, but it should be frequent. Tokyo Monorail's Hitachi monorail trains should do the job, but no KL Monorail or Sentosa Monorail trains obviously.

I think most Singaporeans would want the monorail or any rail service to connect from Kranji Station (Marsiling Station is too cramped up in a residential neighbourhood, and Woodlands Station is too far from the Checkpoint) to JB as well.you're correct, I meant the general Woodlands checkpoint area. Your observations are very logical...I had trouble finding the MRT on my first visit to Singapore...

Cheers, m

Singapore's SMRT wants Johor monorail stake
By Ravi Nambiar
December 5 2006
NST, BusinessTimes


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/nazrey/smrt.jpg

BusinessTimes pix

Jalur Mudra says SMRT, which is 55 per cent owned by Temasek Holdings, is also keen to become the technology partner or project manager for the Johor Baru Monorail

SINGAPORE'S public transport operator, SMRT Corp, is keen to participate in the Johor Baru Monorail project, which is an integral part of the logistics hub being developed in south Johor.

SMRT, which is 55 per cent owned by Temasek Holdings - the Singapore Government's investment arm - has offered to take up equity in the RM3 billion monorail project.

Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd (JM), the company given the Letter of Exclusivity by the Johor State Government to build and run the planned monorail system, said that SMRT is also keen to become the technology partner or project manager for the JB Monorail.

"The Johor government is open to SMRT's involvement. We are evaluating their proposal. We believe this is a win-win proposition," said JM chairman Datuk Rashidi Mohd Noor.

He said that one possibility being explored was for JM to operate together with SMRT a line linking Johor Baru to either Woodlands, Keranji or Bukit Timah in Singapore.

"This could either be a joint venture or separate arrangement under a subsidiary company. Our priority is to link all important localities, including Singapore," he added.

Rashidi said that as a private finance initiative, JM was free to work with any interested party to make good the monorail system. To date, its other partner in the project is the Johor Baru City Council (MBJB), which will hold 30 per cent equity.

The JB Monorail will be unique in that it will be based on the "maglev", or magnetic levitation technology. This is an advanced technology in which magnetic forces lift, propel and guide the trains over an elevated guideway.

Rashidi said the monorail would initially serve a 13.5km stretch from JB Sentral in the heart of the city to AEON Tebrau City along the Tebrau highway, which has been identified as the most critical passenger logistics corridor.

Another 50km of lines will be added subsequently to serve the Skudai corridor up to the Universiti Teknologi Malaysia campus.

A circle single track is also on the cards to serve traffic around the central business district of Johor Baru.

Rashidi said the monorail is the best public transport option for Johor Baru because it affords efficient use of space and energy with minimal air and noise pollution.

"Rail-based systems such as the monorail are superior to buses because they provide higher passenger-carrying capacity; faster, smoother and safer travel; and occupy less space," he said.

Various innovations will be introduced, including an automated fare collection system, seamless movement of passengers during peak hours and transfer from train to train.

"We are working on the basis of a masterplan which will ensure that all parts of the city and adjoining suburbs will be connected by 2021. By that time, more than 50km of monorail tracks would have been laid," Rashidi said.

The monorail is an integral part of the Johor Government's plans to enhance public amenities and services in Johor Baru, in line with the Federal Government's plans to position the city as one of the country's new growth corridors.

^^seems a good compromise that will increase the possibility of a JB to Spore connection by mass transit :okay:

it will depand on sgp 2nd IR result - imo

Monorail job: No need for S’pore
11 Dec 2006
NST

JOHOR BARU: An Umno leader yesterday raised a poser over how a company from Singapore could be considered to participate in Johor’s monorail project without a proven record in such a system.

Johor Baru MP Datuk Shahrir Samad said the republic did not have any track record in building a monorail and it was only justified to award the project to Malaysian companies.

"Why should we allow an outsider to teach us something that we are better at?" he said at an anti-drug campaign at Kampung Melayu Majidee.

"We welcome foreigners to invest in the Iskandar Development Region and other ventures. When locals have the expertise in certain fields, why should we look for foreigners?" he asked.

He also said the monorail project should be owned by locals and not Singaporeans.

Singapore’s public transport operator, SMRT Corp, is keen to participate in the Johor Baru Monorail project, which is an integral part of the logistics hub being developed in south Johor.

SMRT, which is 55 per cent owned by Temasek Holdings — the Singapore government’s investment arm — has offered to take up equity in the RM3 billion monorail project.

Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd (JM), the company given the Letter of Exclusivity by the Johor government to build and run the planned monorail system, said that SMRT was also keen to become the technology partner or project manager for the JB Monorail.

Johor Baru City Council (MBJB), is the other partner in the project. It will hold 30 per cent equity.

The JB Monorail will be unique in that it will be based on the "maglev", or magnetic levitation technology. This is an advanced technology in which magnetic forces lift, propel and guide the trains over an elevated guideway.

The monorail would initially serve a 13.5km stretch from JB Sentral in the heart of the city to AEON Tebrau City along the Tebrau highway, which has been identified as the most critical passenger logistics corridor.

Another 50km of lines will be added subsequently to serve the Skudai corridor up to the Universiti Teknologi Malaysia campus.

Aih........I dont know how to say.....
These kind of ppl..........:ohno:

[QUOTE=nazrey;10826849]Monorail job: No need for S’pore
11 Dec 2006
NST

JOHOR BARU: An Umno leader yesterday raised a poser over how a company from Singapore could be considered to participate in Johor’s monorail project without a proven record in such a system.

QUOTE]

Monorail job: No need for S’pore
11 Dec 2006
NST

JOHOR BARU: An Umno leader yesterday raised a poser over how a company from Singapore could be considered to participate in Johor’s monorail project without a proven record in such a system.


just not long a go, we'd failed the johor floating city project, failed to attract mickey mouse, univeral studios...
Now we have The South Johor Economic Zone, I think it's great amibitous idea, I want it to be successful..but our politicians got too much pride, too little professionalism! they screw us up too many times.

i tell you hor people......For the past 20 years or more than that,johor kept boasting on so many things......building monorail lar.....building disneyland lar......building universal studios lar...and all the other projects that will make it into the world record....and now,tell me,,,,,have they done any projects???,............one example danga bay..........but from what i notice,that place is gradually rotting.........the first year wah~~~ so packed ....now leh?like don't know what.....i don't se much develpment around that place....No added attractions to that place.......And danga bay company said that they will complete danga bay in 15 years time....hai~~~~From what i know,DEVELOPMENT IN DANGA BAY IS WAY SLOW!!!...............I don't see much development also.....and now,the place is kind of boring..................................so...,recently johor launched the iskandar development region,,,,,,...and i don't put high hopes on that coz johor has said and boast too many things and left many people in Johor dissapointed........so,,,,hai~~....the bridge...it just scrapped off................AND NOW,,the building of the monorail and someone must say 'no need for singapore'................so...guys.....let's see about the monorail..........do you think it will be build???

Monorail job: No need for S’pore
11 Dec 2006
NST

JOHOR BARU: An Umno leader yesterday raised a poser over how a company from Singapore could be considered to participate in Johor’s monorail project without a proven record in such a system.

Johor Baru MP Datuk Shahrir Samad said the republic did not have any track record in building a monorail and it was only justified to award the project to Malaysian companies.

"Why should we allow an outsider to teach us something that we are better at?" he said at an anti-drug campaign at Kampung Melayu Majidee.



I am not surprise if the project will be a failure again.

Lol..aren't they the one eager to use Chinese technology aka foreigners for the JB monorail over local monorail manufacturers....:ohno:.

Lol..aren't they the one eager to use Chinese technology aka foreigners for the JB monorail over local monorail manufacturers....:ohno:.

Exactly what I was thinking, what a lot of nonsense.

It's just full of silly nationalism and racism. I think they must understand the cold hard fact that, without Singapore, there is no today's JB. What hope is left for JB when most politicians there from MPs to the Chief Minister are racist and narrow-minded bunch of people? :dunno:

yup the sentiment still there. :ohno: But don't forget guys, thaksin step down coz oh equity stake like macam tue la.

26 Mar 2007: Corporate: Open tender for JB monorail job
By Nadia S Hassan
THEEDGEDAILY

Johor's monorail project is up for grabs as the government has decided to offer the job on a competitive bid basis, according to sources.

In addition, the project — that formerly came under the Johor government — now comes under the ambit of the Iskandar Region Development Authority (IRDA). There are also plans to extend the monorail from Bandar Nusajaya to Singapore via Johor Baru.

"The government decided that the monorail should be an integral part of South Johor's development and a link to Singapore. That is why it is now under the IRDA," says a source.

Originally, the monorail was expected to serve the 13.5km route from AEON Tebrau City to the heart of Johor Baru. The job was given to Jalur Mudra Sdn Bhd, which had received a letter of exclusivity on the grounds that it was the only firm to have put in a proposal.

Now, Jalur Mudra is likely to be out of the running. Among the companies that have expressed interest is Scomi Engineering Bhd.

The monorail plays an integral part in the state government's plans to improve Johor Baru's public services. It was reported earlier that the project is expected to cost around RM3 billion, of which RM1.3 billion will be on the first phase alone.

Over the next five years, there are plans to add another 50km worth of track to cover all of Johor Baru's residential, commercial and recreational hubs. Now that the monorail's range might be extended to service the entire Iskandar Development Region, it makes the project even more attractive.

And that's before taking into account the proposed link to Singapore.

"Given that plans for a new bridge to replace the Causeway have been cancelled, the monorail link looks like an attractive option as almost 200,000 people cross over on a daily basis, according to estimates," says a transport analyst.

Sources say Singapore's SMRT Corp, which runs the island nation's MRT service, could also be part of the consortium undertaking the revised monorail project. The projected route between the two countries would be around 3km to 4km and would most likely end at Singapore's Woodlands or Kranji MRT stations.

SMRT — which is 55% owned by Singapore's investment arm Temasek Holdings — had earlier been in negotiations with Jalur Mudra after the latter received its letter of exclusivity. However, as of December 2006, nothing had come of the talks that had been expected to be resolved by then.

SMRT had earlier eyed a stake of up to 45% in the monorail project, but sources say it would be content with 30%.

The latest developments have understandbly not gone down well with Jalur Mudra.

"It feels as if it has been muscled out of the project," says a source close to the company.

However, it must be noted that there had originally been no open tender called for the Johor monorail, which is why the government has decided to call for bids.

When Jalur Mudra emerged as the recipient, little was known about the company or its track record. All that was known was that the monorail would be patterned after China's monorail system that uses "maglev" or magnetic levitation technology.

Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman had said then that Jalur Mudra had been the only company that had made a firm bid for the project.
It is not known if Jalur Mudra will continue to pursue its bid for the Johor monorail but sources think it's unlikely.

"Jalur Mudra will most likely not fight against the move to call for open tender and respect the government's decision," says the source.

It had been reported earlier that the company had been looking to raise up to 80% of the funds needed for the project through the issuance of 20-year hybrid private debt securities. The company had been expecting foreign investors, including a few from the Middle East, to take up the instrument.

"If the funding had all been in place, Jalur Mudra would most likely have fought harder to keep the project," says an industry observer.

something tells me that this johor monorail project will not become a reality...........it's like johor bahru is not fated to get a monorail~~~

i tell you hor people......For the past 20 years or more than that,johor kept boasting on so many things......building monorail lar.....building disneyland lar......building universal studios lar...and all the other projects that will make it into the world record....and now,tell me,,,,,have they done any projects???,............one example danga bay..........but from what i notice,that place is gradually rotting.........the first year wah~~~ so packed ....now leh?like don't know what.....i don't se much develpment around that place....No added attractions to that place.......And danga bay company said that they will complete danga bay in 15 years time....hai~~~~From what i know,DEVELOPMENT IN DANGA BAY IS WAY SLOW!!!...............I don't see much development also.....and now,the place is kind of boring..................................so...,recently johor launched the iskandar development region,,,,,,...and i don't put high hopes on that coz johor has said and boast too many things and left many people in Johor dissapointed........so,,,,hai~~....the bridge...it just scrapped off................AND NOW,,the building of the monorail and someone must say 'no need for singapore'................so...guys.....let's see about the monorail..........do you think it will be build???


This is exactly what i feel too. Its so true enough to be facts. They talk big and do nothing in nature. However, if so, projects are halfway done and abandoned. This is something they need to change, their attitude. So, i would rather choose to see results than just hearing those boosting words right. Look at one of the infamous project, the Pasir Gudang highway - Tebrau Highway interchange. It takes nearly 7 years to complete.I feel that if the IDR is to carried out successfully, project must strict enough to be completed on time. Otherwise, you can see our half-built JB with scraped contructions everywhere. hehe...

This is exactly what i feel too. Its so true enough to be facts. They talk big and do nothing in nature. However, if so, projects are halfway done and abandoned. This is something they need to change, their attitude. So, i would rather choose to see results than just hearing those boosting words right. Look at one of the infamous project, the Pasir Gudang highway - Tebrau Highway interchange. It takes nearly 7 years to complete.I feel that if the IDR is to carried out successfully, project must strict enough to be completed on time. Otherwise, you can see our half-built JB with scraped contructions everywhere. hehe...

strongly agree with you..

i think when the project get done...you are the one who shout first! aiseh...

hopefully they can really built LRT or monorail...... skudai highway near perling interchange is considered massive traffic jam!!!!!!! y they don wan complete the interchange faster a bit......

hopefully LRT can extend to high populated residential area, such as taman u, tun aminah, johor jaya...... or those places can be replaced by monorail and has interchange wif LRT station.....

hopefully they can really built LRT or monorail...... skudai highway near perling interchange is considered massive traffic jam!!!!!!! y they don wan complete the interchange faster a bit......

hopefully LRT can extend to high populated residential area, such as taman u, tun aminah, johor jaya...... or those places can be replaced by monorail and has interchange wif LRT station.....remember, they can do a lot with a KTM Komuter service too

Cheers, m

hai~~~~~~~~~~,..don't know lar~~~we just have to sit back and wait~~~

Monorail Project
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Among future plans in place include the construction of a maglev monorail to link JB Sentral to Carrefour Pandan or Tebrau City Shopping Centre and from JB Sentral to Danga Bay and Skudai.

Similar to the KL Monorail project where all the structures are elevated, the project will have eight stations between Johor Sentral, located next to the causeway, and Aeon Jusco near the Pandan Hospital.

Jalur Mudra expects the Johor monorail to ferry some 98,000 passengers daily with tickets priced between RM1.50 and RM2.60 for the 13-minute ride between Johor Sentral and Aeon Jusco.

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From Woodlands to Johor by train in three minutes? (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/245550/1/.html)

JOHOR BAHARU, March 26 (Bernama) -- One of the biggest shopping complexes in Johor Baharu - Danga City Mall - will open in July with Metrojaya as its anchor tenant. The tenancy agreement will be signed here Friday between the complex owners, Danga City Mall Sdn Bhd (DCM) and Metrojaya Bhd's wholly owned subsidiary, MJ Department Stores Sdn Bhd. DCM director Gary Lee Seaton said, the mall is scheduled to open in July as soon as Metrojaya completes its renovations and fittings. News of the opening has spurred a great deal of interest here with strong enquiries from local and Singapore-based retailers and traders for take-up of the 500-odd shop lots in the complex. "Essentially, we want to revitalise and reposition Danga City Mall as a fun place for shopping, entertainment and leisure for both the young and old," said Seaton in a statement here, today. Metrojaya's DCM 120,000 sq ft store would be the biggest in Johor. He also said, the Danga City Mall would also have a 28,000 sq ft supermarket on the lower ground floor and 70,000 sq ft one-stop Family Entertainment Center featuring, among others a bowling alley, kid's fun and play activity zone and adults' games station. Strategically located along Jalan Tun Razak here, the Danga City Mall has a gross built-up area of 1 million sq ft with 500,000sq ft of nett lettable retail space. Built at a cost of RM240 million, the building which was originally known as the Best World Plaza was badly hit by the Asian financial crisis and was forced to close down two years after its opening in 1996. DCM subsequently acquired the property for RM50 million from the national asset management company, Pengurusan Danaharta Nasional Bhd. It has since spent another RM50 million to give the mall a complete makeover. This included upgrading the road system to enhance accessibility and visibility of the centre, improved parking facilities and a fresh new look. -- BERNAMA MHI MHI SD

JB may join MRT network
Saturday March 29, 2008
TheStar

JOHOR BARU: Talks are being held with Singapore to extend the republic's Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system here.

Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said yesterday that the site of the 30-year-old Bukit Cagar flats, to be demolished in the next two weeks, had been slated for the proposed Johor MRT station.

The talks were being held under the auspices of the Malaysia-Singapore Joint Ministerial Committee for the Iskandar Development Region (IDR).

“It has not been determined whether the line will start in Kranji or Woodlands.

“It doesn’t matter as long as the Johor line is connected with either one,” Abdul Ghani said, adding that he expected the project to start in two to three years.

Abdul Ghani said the MRT line would boost public transportation between Singapore and Johor Baru, as travel would be much smoother.

“It will also reduce traffic congestion along the Causeway, which has been a common problem for a long time.

On another issue, Abdul Ghani said the state government was currently in talks with government-linked companies such as UDA Holdings Bhd, Permodalan Nasional Berhad and South Johor Investment Corporation to invest in and salvage abandoned projects.

He said that out of 15 abandoned commercial properties in the state, Kemayan City and Pacific Mall would be revived first as both were more obvious eyesores compared with the others.

“I had a meeting this morning with the Iskandar Regional Development Authority and other government-linked companies to solve the problem of these two projects as soon as possible,” he said.

He said new investors in the IDR had also shown interest in reviving other abandoned projects.

JB may join MRT network
Saturday March 29, 2008
TheStar

JOHOR BARU: Talks are being held with Singapore to extend the republic's Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system here.

Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman said yesterday that the site of the 30-year-old Bukit Cagar flats, to be demolished in the next two weeks, had been slated for the proposed Johor MRT station.

The talks were being held under the auspices of the Malaysia-Singapore Joint Ministerial Committee for the Iskandar Development Region (IDR).

“It has not been determined whether the line will start in Kranji or Woodlands.

“It doesn’t matter as long as the Johor line is connected with either one,” Abdul Ghani said, adding that he expected the project to start in two to three years.

Abdul Ghani said the MRT line would boost public transportation between Singapore and Johor Baru, as travel would be much smoother.

“It will also reduce traffic congestion along the Causeway, which has been a common problem for a long time.

On another issue, Abdul Ghani said the state government was currently in talks with government-linked companies such as UDA Holdings Bhd, Permodalan Nasional Berhad and South Johor Investment Corporation to invest in and salvage abandoned projects.

He said that out of 15 abandoned commercial properties in the state, Kemayan City and Pacific Mall would be revived first as both were more obvious eyesores compared with the others.

“I had a meeting this morning with the Iskandar Regional Development Authority and other government-linked companies to solve the problem of these two projects as soon as possible,” he said.

He said new investors in the IDR had also shown interest in reviving other abandoned projects.

This is indeed a great news. I hope this project will get through.

Malaysia and Singapore can achieve so much if we can put aside our differences.

I never believe adbul ghani .........

well..we just got to keeeep our fingers crossed......

i never believe him too.. but well.. keep our fingers crossss hahaa but i thought the best location for the station will be at the new jb sentral? bukit chagar flats site.. what the hell man jb gov! you can use that land to build better infrastructure!

A very good idea but really means the end of KTM service into singapore!!!!Its complicated enough to replace the causeway with a bridge this will seal its future!
No matter what we know the singaporeans do not want a bridge !!The present arrangement its so one sided in singapore favour just how many johor based companies
serving this route??

A very good idea but really means the end of KTM service into singapore!!!!Its complicated enough to replace the causeway with a bridge this will seal its future!
No matter what we know the singaporeans do not want a bridge !!The present arrangement its so one sided in singapore favour just how many johor based companies
serving this route??a tunnel under the straits perhaps?

I wouldnt mind making JB sentral the end of the KTM if I could get the MRT link to JB...

If they could find a way to make the whole thing a tunnel...that would be nice too...a KTM tunnel and a spur link from JB to a new railway station in the airport area...or on reclaimed land...and from there link to the rest of the MRT network.

Cheers, m

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How about a tunnel that is able to upgraded to dual gauge (metre gauge and standard gauge) to fit both KTM and future HSR (if that is materialised)?

Read this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1637032.stm

Any updates?
Some years ago, some people suggested a railroad from Singapore to China. If these asian countries really want to build this railroad... I hope JB will be the Terminal station instead of Singapore. This will put JB on the world map!:banana:
And people can travel to Singapore by MRT from Bukit Cagar....

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That's the proposed Singapore- Kunming rail....

Here's the update...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080331/wl_asia_afp/mekongsummit

I think there's some missing link somewhere in Indochina, if it is linked then we can get complete railway link from China to Singapore...

The double tracking and electrification of KTMB's west coast railway line will form to Singapore - Kunming link too...

but hor....who will take train to china??
unless those has pretty much time to waste.....

for example go china somewhere from singapore....2500km
train speed average 160..
2500/160=16 hrs........

plus stop each station....i think need more than 25 hrs..

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I think the purpose for the Singapore- Kunming railway link is more towards to the freight service rather than passenger service....

http://www.cargonewsasia.com/timesnet/data/cna/docs/cna5918.html

For sure, i don't think the average speed for the whole railway link (Singapore-Kunming) will be 160 km/h, because majority of the length, are of single track, non-electrified........

But for Rawang-Ipoh line and the future Ipoh-Padang Besar EDT, the max. speed should be 160 km/h or so...

They should provide passenger service. I think that many people will like to travel on this JB-Kuming Link, a few stops along the way, it will attract visitors from overseas esp. europeans and americans...
Ya, if i have long holidays. I would try this "JB-Kuming" Link too. Well, i would need to take MRT from Singapore back to JB 1st...

They should provide passenger service. I think that many people will like to travel on this JB-Kuming Link, a few stops along the way, it will attract visitors from overseas esp. europeans and americans...
Ya, if i have long holidays. I would try this "JB-Kuming" Link too. Well, i would need to take MRT from Singapore back to JB 1st...

For sure, of course there is passenger service...what i mean was that the need of freight service to be enhanced is the main reason (impetus) for the Singapore-Kunming rail project to start...as far as i know KTMB freight unit is the biggest earner for KTMB...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3559091&postcount=34

With the EDT project, travel time can cut short a lot, that should be a draw for commuters to switch to rail travel...

That is what may happen after the EDT is completed...
KL - JB (3 to 4 hours)
KL - Butterworth (3 hours)
KL - Ipoh (2h 15 min with 5 stops)


I hope after the completion of whole double tracking project for whole western line, there are two more Komuter service (one for Penang and another for south Johor)...if there is rail service between Singapore to Kunming, i would like to take it if i got lots of time as well, because although it is slower, you get the scenery that you can't get if you travel by air...

S'pore says it favours subway rail link to M'sia

Thu, Apr 17, 2008
Reuters


SINGAPORE said on Thursday it welcomed a suggestion by Malaysia to connect the republic's subway system to the southern Malaysian state of Johor.

'The link should not be a difficult one and it will bring immediate advantages to both sides,' Foreign Minister George Yeo told local reporters, according to transcripts released by his ministry.

Malaysian Foreign Minister Rais Yatim had earlier asked Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong to consider connecting the city-state's urban rail network to the Iskandar Malaysia special economic zone.


To be developed over a period of 20 years, Malaysia hopes the 2,200 sq km zone in Johor state would be able to generate jobs and investments in projects catering to companies and individuals in wealthy but land-scarce Singapore.
The two countries are separated by a narrow strip of water and connected by two bridges.

Singapore's subway network is managed by SMRT Corp and ComfortDelGro.

PM Lee positive about proposal to link up S'pore, JB urban rails
By S Ramesh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 17 April 2008 1800 hrs


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SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has responded positively to a suggestion by Johor's Chief Minister Abdul Ghani Othman to link up the urban rails of Singapore and Johor Bahru.

The issue was discussed when visiting Malaysian Foreign Minister Rais Yatim called on Mr Lee at the Istana on Thursday morning, said Foreign Minister George Yeo at a joint news conference with his Malaysian counterpart later in the day.

The proposal will now be discussed by a joint ministerial committee which is looking into the Iskandar Malaysia project. This committee was set up after PM Lee and his Malaysian counterpart, Mr Abdullah Badawi, had their first retreat in Langkawi last year.

From singapore press zaobao, It seem two country both side is interest about this.

http://www.zaobao.com/sp/sp080417_501.shtml

新马下月将重点讨论 两国地铁系统如何衔接

（2008-04-17）

早报导读


● 李韵琳
　　为了让马来西亚依士干达经济特区与新加坡之间能更有效地互惠互利，马来西亚政府目前正积极探讨如何把马来西亚依士干达轻快铁系统衔接上新加坡的地铁系统，并计划在下个新马联合部长级委员会会议上重点讨论这个计划。

　　柔佛州务大臣阿都干尼昨天接受本地媒体访问时透露，这个计划已在新马联合工作小组会议里提出，马国方面也准备在下个月举行的新马联合部长级委员会上深入探讨这个计划的可行性。

　　到访我国参观“亚洲地产投资与开发博览会”（Cityscape Asia）的阿都干尼说：“考虑到每天往返两国之间的交通流量非常大，如果把依士干达轻快铁系统衔接上新加坡的地铁系统能缓解关口的堵塞情况。”

　　由于商讨目前处于初步阶段，地铁究竟会不会延伸到柔佛还言之过早。不过，阿都干尼表示，马方会尽一切努力，以便提高落实这项计划的可能性。

　　“柔佛这一方将努力打造一套完善的轻快铁系统，以便在两国达成协议时，能在最短的时间搭上这个桥梁。”

　　位于柔佛州南部的依士干达经济特区（Iskandar Development Region，简称IDR），上个月改名为“马来西亚依士干达（Iskandar Malaysia）”。这个占地2万4000英亩的特区项目，是新加坡土地面积的三倍，于2006年底推出，预计在2015年完成。马国政府希望在2010年之前吸引470亿令吉（141亿新元）的投资到马来西亚依士干达。

　　阿都干尼指出，到目前为止，马来西亚依士干达已成功吸引总值330亿令吉的投资，已达成目标的70％，而来自新加坡的投资占显著的部分，尤其在工业和制造业方面的投资。

　　“我们的投资者和投资项目非常多元化，除了马来西亚和新加坡外，还有中东、阿布扎比、黎巴嫩、西班牙的投资者。”

　　西班牙钢铁集团Acerinox SA与日本的Nisshin Steel本月初宣布，将连手在该特区内投资50亿令吉，兴建一个钢铁厂。这项交易创下柔佛有史以来最大型外国直接投资。
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That Chinese article heading, basically stats that...Malaysia-Singapore will have some key discussions next month, regarding to the rail thing...

Another about the IM, the MB states that they got RM 37 billion of investments already out of RM 47 billion, that makes about 70% of the target...