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kongutamizhan

February 10th, 2012, 06:30 PM

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/article2879080.ece

Industrial units in Coimbatore down shutters over power cuts

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Owners and workers of industrial units that downed shutters in Coimbatore city protesting against prolonged power cuts hold a demo near Gandhipuram bus stand on Friday. - Photo: S. Siva Saravanan

Coimbatore, Feb 10: Industries, big and small, downed shutters and both promoters and workers took to the streets here on Friday demanding uninterrupted power supply. The closure is estimated to have caused a production loss of Rs 400 crore.

The city has been witnessing demonstrations for the past few days in different locations by the owners and workers of industrial units.

But the agitation on Friday, held in the Gandhipuram area, which is in the heart of the city, lasted for about three hours and brought to the fore the simmering discontent of the people over the prolonged power cuts that extend up to eight hours a day. There was a mild lathi-charge on demonstrators who had blocked traffic, and about 10 persons were picked up by the police.

Not for confrontation
While the industry associations made it clear that they do not want a confrontation with the Government, they are at a loss to know why no Minister has been deputed to hold discussions with them to find an amicable solution to the festering problem of power shortage; they have had meetings with the TNEB Chairman earlier.

It is not as if Coimbatore industrialists have got into a combative mood only now. Even during the DMK regime, industrial units in the region were closed for a day over unannounced power cuts and the preferential treatment given to Chennai in the duration of power cuts.

But with the problem of power shortage becoming more acute in recent months, the duration of the cuts has increased to 5-6 hours a day. But the situation has worsened in the past few days with the TNEB resorting to nearly eight hours of staggered power cuts in Tamil Nadu, other than Chennai — six hours during the day and two hours in the night. This has had a crippling effect on the industries, particularly power-intensive ones that dominate the Kongu region, the second most industrially developed region in the State.

Power holiday?
Speaking to Business Line, Mr M. Kandhaswami, President, Coimbatore District Small Industries Association, said that last month in a letter to the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, Ms J. Jayalalithaa, he had highlighted the plight of the industries because of the unscheduled power cut. He made a suggestion that to overcome the problem temporarily, a power holiday (staggered holiday) may be imposed in each region in the State for a day or two every week on turn basis.

He regretted that at the political level, the problems of the industries of Coimbatore region have not drawn sufficient attention.

Mr Kandhaswami said the prolonged power cuts have hit the functioning of the smaller units, affecting not only the quality of products manufactured but also added to the costs. The use of generators has pushed up the production cost as captive power costs about Rs 16/unit compared to TNEB's Rs 4-5.50/unit.

Mr Mahendra Ramdas, President, Tamil Nadu Electricity Consumers Association (TECA), Coimbatore, said LT consumers preferred cut in maximum demand (MD) from the current 20 per cent to 40-50 per cent and assured supply of balance power

He said bigger units outsourced components from smaller ancillaries that could not use generators because of space problems. This affected component supply to, and output from, bigger units. The continuous process industries and big spinning mills faced problems because the production processes were stopped suddenly and work interruptions caused delay and loss.

He estimated that the one-day shutdown of industries in the city may cause a production loss of about Rs 400 crore and the revenue loss to the exchequer, both the Central and the State, may be 20 per cent of this.

Market share
Mr Ramdas was hopeful that the problem might ease by mid-June when the wind power generation would pickup and efforts of the Government to streamline and augment power production may bear fruit. But there was a danger of Coimbatore losing its market share because of power famine in sectors such as pumps and motors, auto components, and spinning. Already, spinning mills in Andhra Pradesh have been able to wean away business from Coimbatore because of power availability there, he said.

Mr J. James, District President, Tamil Nadu Association of Cottage and Micro Enterprises (TACT), Coimbatore, said that about 3,500 members of his association had closed their units on Friday. He put the production loss suffered by his association members at about Rs 60 crore.

TShyam

February 10th, 2012, 06:42 PM

man this is turning out to be a nightmare :ohno:

krishnaswamy

February 10th, 2012, 10:03 PM

This shows how poor our politicians who are ruling us.. no proper growth view..no visiblity.. stalling the projects..CG Vs SG.. DMK Vs ADMK...
ada pongappa..

kongutamizhan

February 11th, 2012, 05:47 PM

How Gujarat transformed its power sector? Hope TN can learn some lessons from here. The core team that worked with him during this period are Tamils :)
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http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/gujarats-power-sector-turnaround-story/1/21750.html

The transformer
Gujarat's power sector turnaround story

Executive Summary: Gujarat's power sector was in a shambles in 2001, when Narendra Modi became chief minister. A decade later it is in the forefront of states that have carried out sweeping power reforms, as a result of which it now has surplus power. This case study details the key steps the government took to bring about the change, which was carried out in a manner fair to all stakeholders.

When Narendra Damodardas Modi took over as chief minister of Gujarat in October 2001, he found the state's power situation grim. The Gujarat State Electricity Board, or GSEB, had posted a loss of Rs 2,246 crore for 2000/01, on revenues of Rs 6,280 crore. Interest costs alone were Rs 1,227 crore. Transmission and distribution, or T&D, losses were a substantial 35.27 per cent, and load shedding was frequent. GSEB had no funds to add generation capacity on its own, nor was it able to persuade the private sector to invest.

Reforming the GSEB, thus, became one of Modi's top priorities. "He feared that a bankrupt power utility could derail his vision for the state," says Saurabh Patel, Gujarat's Industries and Power Minister, then as now. "He knew electricity is crucial for growth."

Modi's first step was to identify a bureaucrat capable of taking on the enormous challenge. He chose Man- jula Subramaniam, a Gujarat cadre officer, who had been joint secretary in the prime minister's office from 1993 to 1998, playing a key role in the country's liberalisation, and appointed her Chairperson of GSEB and Principal Secretary, Energy and Power.

Subramaniam quickly realised that GSEB was too large an entity to be managed effectively. But she did not rush into unbundling it. Instead, she initially concentrated on two areas: bolstering the power utility's finances and building employee morale. Discovering that GSEB had secured loans at interest rates of 18 per cent or more, she sought debt restructuring, convincing banks and financial institutions to lower their rates, which resulted in savings of Rs 500 crore in 2002/03.

Her next step was more radical. Rarely before had electricity boards renegotiated power purchase agreements, or PPAs, already signed with private players. But having examined the PPAs her board had entered into, Subramaniam felt the heat rate - a measure of generator efficiency - had been inflated by the power suppliers, who were consequently charging more than they should have.

Energy drought threatens India's growth Though the private players initially resisted, the government-constituted committee set up for the process stood firm, and ultimately, after more than 18 months of hard bargaining, got the rates lowered, leading to a further saving of Rs 675 crore in 2002/03 and Rs 1,000 crore in 2003/04.

Simultaneously, Modi's government began plugging the leakages in distribution. Power thefts in Gujarat then ranged between 20 per cent in urban areas and 70 per cent in rural regions. It passed a law against power thefts and set up five police stations across the state, solely to nab such thieves. Stringent action began against those who ran up large power bill arrears, including disconnecting their supply.

Unmetered power supply, which some rural areas were getting was stopped altogether, with GSEB entering into a structural loan re-adjustment with Asian Development Bank to fund the installing of meters.

Subramaniam also found that many employees, disturbed by widespread talk of power reforms, feared for their jobs, and were feeling somewhat alienated from GSEB. She appointed a consultant to suggest ways to win back their loyalties.

From mid-2002, armed with the consultant's suggestions, the board began its special effort to reach out to employees. It started training programmes at all levels to reassure them that while people may be redeployed, no one would be laid off. Senior officials increased their interactions with the staff, including holding 'town hall' meetings where they shared details of the board's financial position and encouraged employees to ask questions. An internal newsletter was also started.

Once assured of retaining their jobs, the employees themselves began discussing possible reforms. A 'reforms progress management group', comprising GSEB employees, was also set up.

It was now time for the unbundling. In May 2003, the Gujarat government passed the Gujarat Electricity Industry (Reform and Reorganisation) Act, which divided the GSEB into a holding company, a power generation company, a power transmission company and four distribution companies. This enabled better management and more efficient operations.

Another key reform was the separation of the feeder line that supplied power to the rural areas into two: one to supply power for agricultural needs and other for household and other needs. This was part of the Jyoti Gram Yojna, a scheme Modi announced in 2003 to supply round-theclock power to villages.

"A single feeder has its limitations," says Mukesh Puri, Managing Director of the holding company, Gujarat Urja Vikas Nigam. "The villages got power for only 12 to 15 hours a day, often of poor quality and at odd hours."

Since the tariff for power used for agricultural purposes was much lower, many used this subsidised supply for their household needs as well, resulting in huge losses for GSEB.

The Man behind Gujarat's growth "The chief minister asked us to have separate feeders, which was a path-breaking step no state had attempted before," Puri adds, "The results were good." Though many rural residents had higher power bills to pay than in the past, they cooperated with the government, once they found they were assured of uninterrupted, better quality power.

A study by Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad has estimated that the project saved the state capital expenditure of around Rs 23,000 crore, or about 5,000 megawatts, or MW.

The Modi government has also taken scrupulous care to ensure that the state electricity regulator - unlike in most states - remains truly independent of political pressures. The regulator has, thus, been able to revise power tariffs every year, which ensured the state bridged the gap between the average cost of supply and what users paid for it.

The result? The state electricity board posted its first profit of Rs 203 crore - after tax - in 2005/06. By 2010/11, net profit had risen to Rs 533 crore, while T&D losses had fallen to 20.13 per cent. Tariff collection efficiency is close to 100 per cent. Private players, once reluctant to invest in Gujarat's power generation, are now rushing in: of the power plants with a total installed capacity of 16,945 MW coming up in the state, 6,864 MW - or roughly, a third - is by the private sector. "Abundant power is a major USP of our state today," says minister Patel.

A few worries remain. Though T&D losses have fallen, they are still higher than those of the southern states such as Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, and Tamil Nadu. The cost of power in Gujarat has been traditionally high, and remains so.

"Our share of hydel power is very low and our power plants are very far away from coalfields," says Puri. "At times the cost of transporting coal equals the cost of the coal." A sizeable proportion of its power - around 29 per cent - also comes from gas-based plants, and the high cost of gas has forced scaling down the operations of some of them.

But ultimately, it is a remarkable transformation for a state which was power deficient barely a decade ago, but now has a surplus of 2,114 MW and a vibrant energy sector.

Where there is a will

Kirit S. Parikh, Ex-member of Planning Commission, and Chairman, Integrated Research and Action for Development

The separation of feeders for supply towards agricultural was a master for Gujarat: Kirit S. Parikh

The Gujarat experience clearly shows what strong political will to reform the electricity sector can achieve. Of the many innovations the state tried, the separation of feeders for supply towards agricultural use was a master stroke. It not only helped farmers get quality power at fixed time but also ensured that leakages were curtailed. It enabled measurement of the power used for agricultural purposes as well, so as to arrive at the exact quantum of subsidy that needs to be reimbursed to the distribution companies. Today feeder separation is being adopted by many others states.

Also the manner in which pilferage was tackled is interesting. I know how the CEO of a state-run distribution company that supplied to one half of a particular city in Gujarat was fully empowered to take all measures to match the low T&D losses of a private sector company that supplied to the other half of the city. The state has also been proactive in promoting renewable energy. By offering to buy solar power at `12.50 per unit, the state will soon see over 350 MW of power from solar energy.

It is true that the cost of electricity is higher in Gujarat but that is because the stateâ€™s electricity regulator has proactively raised prices as costs of generation rose. This makes sense in the long term.

As can be seen, companies foraying into Gujarat are not too concerned about paying a couple of rupees more for consistent and good quality power. The challenge that the state faces is on the T&D loss front where there is still scope for reduction by four percentage points or so. More needs to done there.

Shining contrast

V. Raghuraman, former Principal Analyst, Energy, Confederation of Indian Industry
Gujarat's success mix of steps that have both commercial and social overtones: V. Raghuraman

Commercial losses and poor health are hallmarks of the power utilities of states in India. The distribution companies, or discoms, incurred an accumulated loss of Rs 75,000 crore in 2008/09 which further rose to Rs 106,341 crore in 2009/10. The share of costs recovered has deteriorated from 82.5 per cent in 2006/07 to 77 per cent in 2008/09. The dismal state of affairs is due to continued political pressure opposing reduction in subsidies and efforts to lower distribution losses. Most state utilities have not revised tariffs for a number of years. The state regulatory commissions are independent only on paper and are subject to political compulsions.

Against this backdrop, the performance of Gujarat in turning around the GSEB is noteworthy. Timely tariff revisions have made the sector viable enabling the state to set up adequate generation capacity. The state is in a supply easy position with which it has been able to meet the requirements of the farm sector. It has also been able to meet the subsidy requirements of discoms on this account, which many states have not been able to do.

Gujarat has been able to achieve the growth with a mix of steps that have both commercial and social overtones, with stress on credible implementation and realising rational user charges. The political will along with the turnaround strategy has produced the expected benefits. The worrying signs are high T&D losses, which are still over 20 per cent, and inadequate transmission links. These need to be fixed. The demand for revision of tariffs of utilities, which are using imported coal and have increased costs, if not heeded, could derail the capacity addition plans. However, the track record indicates that Gujarat has the ability to attend to the concerns.

Mukkesh

February 11th, 2012, 06:46 PM

[QUOTE=kongutamizhan;88453275]How Gujarat transformed its power sector? Hope TN can learn some lessons from here. The core team that worked with him during this period are Tamils :)
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^^
Hats of to the team.

But we in TN want everything free .:bash:

Let s see if JJ has the willpower to streamline subsidies and improve the overall power situation.Unlike her predecessor she had the guts to raise to increase bus fare and milk prices .Now AAVIN butter is available without being diverted to Tirupathi

If she goes ahead with electricity reforms like Gujarat ,it will be good for TN in the long run.

Will the striking Coimbatore firms be willing to pay the actual cost of power without subsidies ?:ohno:

I think we should give her at least two more years to see if she ll put us back on proper growth trajectory.( nothing much has happened in the last few months except for public hearings on power price hikes )

We Indians live on hopes. Let s see :cheers:

Leo_r

February 11th, 2012, 08:31 PM

^^
The subsidy for agriculture is around Rs 300 crores only. The main culprit for lowering the power rate per KWH was none other than JJ, herself. After the huge loss 40-Nil in 2004 election, She reduced the electricity tarrif drasticly along with rolling back many other decisions.

The lower rate was revised only only once during 20006-11 by MK.

Our main problem was not adding any capacity(inititive) during 1991-2006. TNEB went to a long hybernation and never pressed JJ and MK.

karkal

February 11th, 2012, 08:49 PM

she was badly defeated using the cheap and in some cases free electricity promised by MK in 2004. Hence she was forced to revise down the rates, but not adding capacity falls on both parties, and also the people who were drunk on cheap electricity.

muthu_krish

February 11th, 2012, 08:51 PM

Our main problem was not adding any capacity(inititive) during 1991-2006. TNEB went to a long hybernation and never pressed JJ and MK.

Yes that is the problem no new capacity added while there was a surge in the demand... TNEB always pressed but it just went into deaf ears!!!

deepu051993

February 12th, 2012, 02:09 PM

How Gujarat transformed its power sector? Hope TN can learn some lessons from here. The core team that worked with him during this period are Tamils :)
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Great work by the Gujarath Guys, but the senario cannot be the same in TN. The idea of two feeder lines if implemented in TN can be very helpful.

TShyam

February 13th, 2012, 03:33 AM

CHENNAI: The Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) has shown willingness to fund the transmission infrastructure work of the cash-strapped Tamil Nadu Electricity Board (TNEB). The power utility is planning to seek help for their generation projects too.

The agency has assured to provide 3,500 crore. The state and the board have agreed to get the funding but are waiting for an approval from the economic affairs department. "We need the Centre's nod for getting funds from foreign agencies," said a TNEB official.

Officials feel long-term loans from international agencies is more feasible than short-term ones by local financial institutions. TNEB has projects lined up to increase power generation by an additional 23,000MW but there aren't enough sub-stations or infrastructure to distribute the generated electricity.

There are 1,350 sub-stations now in the state. "In the next five years we will need nearly 3,000 sub-stations. It takes a lot of money to construct a sub-station. So we need some funding," said the official.

The TNEB is also planning to ask the agency to fund their power generation projects too. "Ten days ago, a Japanese technical team visited some thermal power plants, including north Chennai plant. They will have to submit a report to the agency and only then can we ask for financial help," said the official.

The power utility is forced to seek external assistance as its finances are in the red. With accumulated losses over 38,000 crore and an outstanding debt of over 40,300 crore, the TNEB is seeking loans from banks and raising 6,000 crore through bonds.

The decision comes after the state government signed a memorandum of understanding with Japan to attract investment. CM J Jayalalithaa invited investments in manufacturing, water treatment, renewable energy and minor ports.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Japan-to-open-purse-for-TNEB/articleshow/11867433.cms

karkal

February 13th, 2012, 04:37 AM

Electricity board's right to recover dues indefeasible: court

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2886368.ece

The Madras High Court has said that the payment of arrears by an agriculturist of Ponneri Taluk and subsequent restoration of agricultural service connection will not preclude the electricity board from claiming the arrears to be determined by it from him by taking recourse to proceedings before the competent forum or to make the claim as per the Electricity Act.

The District Munsif (DM), Ponneri, had directed Subramania Reddy to pay Rs.9,494, the amount due from him, to the board. The Munsif also directed the board to receive the sum and to give reconnection, and accordingly passed a decree of mandatory injunction.

In the first appeal by the board, the Sub-Judge, Tiruvallur, confirmed the DM's order. He said that after the trial court order, Mr. Reddy had paid the sum and also obtained electricity connection. The appeal was not maintainable.
Second appeal

Challenging this, the board preferred the second appeal before the High Court.

It submitted that both the courts had incorrectly held that the board was not entitled to collect belated payment surcharge and other charges from the consumer totalling about Rs.29,000.

The power of disconnection and dismantling of installation for non-payment of dues could not be lost by any period of limitation.

As per Section 24 of the Indian Electricity Act, the board was entitled to demand and collect any charge from the consumer and collect the same towards energy supply.

In the judgment allowing the board's appeal, Justice M. Venugopal said the board had not filed a suit against the agriculturist claiming the arrears of electricity charges or any sum due as surcharge or any penalty.

Therefore, the plea of limitation could not be availed of by Mr. Reddy.
Miscarriage of justice

Unfortunately, the trial court and the First Appellate Court had overlooked the ingredients of Section 24, which resulted in serious miscarriage of justice. The board's right to recover the dues was an independent and also an indefeasible right.

Unless people change and start paying for real cost of power, no amount of bandage (external borrowing from centre, japan etc) will save the power sector in TN.

Leo_r

February 13th, 2012, 09:13 AM

JJ must start releasing Tenders for adding atleast 5000 MW of power in the next 4 years.. Govt should talk to Japanese Banks to finance and fianalise the deal using Toshiba-IHI combination for supply of Boilers,turbine and generators as a turnkey project.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=88411390&postcount=1035

Today's news..

Japan to open purse for TNEB

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Japan-to-open-purse-for-TNEB/articleshow/11867433.cms

bonoslack7

February 13th, 2012, 05:14 PM

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/economy/article2889681.ece

The spectre of ‘forced outages' due to power plants breaking down has come back to haunt Tamil Nadu, veritably at the worst possible time, when the State is reeling under a fierce power shortage.

On Sunday, as much as 1,397 MW was lost to forced outages and this was presumably responsible for a 30 per cent load shedding at the peak hours.

More bad news

Information from the State load despatch centre shows that most of the plants undergoing repairs are unlikely to be put back on stream before mid March.

On Sunday, load shedding rose above 3,000 MW for four hours between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m., which was over 30 per cent of the demand at that time.

Of the 1,397 MW of capacity under repair, 458 MW were under the private sector, including the 330 MW, gas-based PPN power project, which has been down for close to a month now due to a leak in the heat recovery steam generator system. (Sources in the company told Business Line today that the plant would go back on stream any time.)

Another 44 MW was lost due to a problem in the Kaiga atomic power plant in Karnataka, due to “a problem in the turbine-generator system”.

Of the plants run by the State utility, TANGEDCO, one of the units of the North Chennai Thermal Power Station, of 210 MW capacity, has been shut for 23 days and is not likely to be put back in operation before March 10. The problem has been stated as ‘stator coil failure'. Similarly, another 210 MW unit, of the Tuticorin Thermal Power Station has just gone out of operation due to “heavy leak in sea water booster pump discharge header” and will again take a month to be up and running.

Three units of the problematic Ennore Thermal Power Station, of a total capacity of 110 MW each, have been in a state of disrepair— one of them for 213 days.

These vintage power plants produce power at a low cost and their outage costs dear because the State has to purchase power from the market.

Yesterday alone, TANTRANSCO, the State transmission utility, purchased 18.347 million units of electricity. The average price of power on the Indian Energy Exchange was Rs 7, which means that TANTRANSCO's purchase was worth about Rs 12 crore.

Poor maintenance of the plants is responsible for their frequent outage, said an official of the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board.

kongutamizhan

February 13th, 2012, 05:29 PM

^^

//Poor maintenance of the plants is responsible for their frequent outage, said an official of the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board.//
டேய் மரக்கட்ட மண்டையா நீயி போயி கையி வெச்சா ஒரு powerhouse 'e காலி செஞ்சிருவியே. ஐயோ ஆண்டவா இந்த TNEB நாயிங்க எல்லாம் பேசி எங்கள கேக்க வெச்சிட்டியே. இவனுங்கள நம்பி சப்பான் கராணுவ வேற காசு குடுகரங்களம். இனி சப்பான் காரனுக்கு புடிச்சுது சனி

Arul Murugan

February 13th, 2012, 06:01 PM

kongutamizhan

February 13th, 2012, 06:11 PM

But gvt can have control on fixing the rates even after privitazing.

IMO that beats the purpose of privatization and may discourage private players entry as well.

The only section of people who may need some kind of protection from tariff are farmers and that could be taken care of by imposing slot usage rates like if used from 12 midnight to 4 aM or something like that. (exclusively for them). Make the slot usage rate mandatory (w/no cut) in order to get the private operator licensing

Everybody else including SSI's should be in a position to afford the private tariff. As long as they get quality power their power expenses will still be less than what they spend for generators.

Another thing they should consider for longterm is multiple feeders

TShyam

February 13th, 2012, 06:41 PM

Thats not a problem at all. The Gujarat model of separate feeder for agri use will solve it.

Another key reform was the separation of the feeder line that supplied power to the rural areas into two: one to supply power for agricultural needs and other for household and other needs. This was part of the Jyoti Gram Yojna, a scheme Modi announced in 2003 to supply round-theclock power to villages.

"A single feeder has its limitations," says Mukesh Puri, Managing Director of the holding company, Gujarat Urja Vikas Nigam. "The villages got power for only 12 to 15 hours a day, often of poor quality and at odd hours."

Since the tariff for power used for agricultural purposes was much lower, many used this subsidised supply for their household needs as well, resulting in huge losses for GSEB.

The Man behind Gujarat's growth "The chief minister asked us to have separate feeders, which was a path-breaking step no state had attempted before," Puri adds, "The results were good." Though many rural residents had higher power bills to pay than in the past, they cooperated with the government, once they found they were assured of uninterrupted, better quality power.

deepu051993

February 13th, 2012, 08:48 PM

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/economy/article2889681.ece
Yesterday alone, TANTRANSCO, the State transmission utility, purchased 18.347 million units of electricity. The average price of power on the Indian Energy Exchange was Rs 7, which means that TANTRANSCO's purchase was worth about Rs 12 crore.

Poor maintenance of the plants is responsible for their frequent outage, said an official of the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board.

If 12 crores spent per day then how are they managing it financially?

Its really a pathentic state for us.

Leo_r

February 14th, 2012, 08:43 AM

^^
Yaanai than thalaiyil mannai alli pottukollum.

Power from KKNPP is available @ Rs Rs 2.80, the moment Udayakumar&co were resettled in Dhanuskodi, lock, stock and barrel with all facilities for a decent living.

bonoslack7

February 14th, 2012, 10:31 AM

Jayalolita MUST be kicked out, can't even implement the nuclear plant when the vast majority is supportiung it.

TShyam

February 14th, 2012, 10:55 AM

lol do it! btw you know her name is Jayalalitha right?

Kavalier

February 14th, 2012, 11:00 AM

ooc,
If KKNPP had started on schedule, would it have started producing electricity by now?

kannan infratech

February 14th, 2012, 12:38 PM

^^

- privatizing tangedco partially is one of the solution. Also privitazing in Chennai and other 9 corporation also will help in greater extent.

- Charge higher amount in Chennai compared to other parts of the state

- Fix different amount for tier II cities and village

But gvt can have control on fixing the rates even after privitazing.

enga puthu veetula EB meter moonu thadava struck agi ninidichi, complain panni 7 or 10days kalichi thaan vanthu parthanga. Then 4th time struck agum pothu, we asked for replacing the meter, they did it. Struck agi nikira ella nalum loss for tneb. This may be due to poor quality in procurement side of tangedco.

Some good thoughts Arul.

Actually TANGEDCO is sitting on a proposal to have a centralised Power Usage metering & monitoring and using Digital meters for a long time. All pilferage can be stopped by using these systems and thats why they are delaying.

If they privatise TANGEDCO in phases (at least the major cities can be tried on an experimental basis), it may solve lots of problems.

deepu051993

February 14th, 2012, 01:24 PM

^^I heared something like the same as they are going to set centralised monitoring method thus no persons would come to take readings in each house. Bill would be sent to home a few months.

Is it true? Is such facility implementated in Bangalore?

kannan infratech

February 14th, 2012, 01:41 PM

Yeah!

Nobody need to come to every house / office / shop / institution / factory to note meter reading every month / bi monthly.

Most of the industries in TN pay - not as per the actual usage but as per the installed capacity in HP. Thats why TANGEDCO do not announce many power cuts as official since they can not charge if they announce power cuts officially. (Vendha punnula Vela Paicharanga)

Due to erratic supply, power factor takes a beating but the consumer is penalised for the same (for not using the installed power effectively)

I was told that many SMEs in TN have stopped paying power tariff as per this system as they had to pay much higher than their actual usage. Lots of disputes all over.

All these issues can be effectively addressed by installing modern metering & monitoring system. The erring consumer can be easily identified and punished.

murlee

February 15th, 2012, 01:56 AM

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senthilkumark

February 15th, 2012, 06:03 AM

Chennai, Feb 14 (PTI) With commissioning of Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant remaining stalled for months, a top Russian diplomat today said there was no point keeping scientists from his country at the site when they were not doing anything because of protests by locals. "Why should we keep them here, if they do nothing? We should take them away from here," Russian Ambassador in India Alexander M Kadakin said at a function here. "...they (Russian scientists) sit and do nothing, while they are needed elsewhere. They are very much needed in other parts...," Kadakin said. The envoy also claimed that the Indo-Russian project was the safest in the world and that the first two units of the plant were ready for commissioning. The commissioning of the plant in Tirunelveli district by Nuclear Power Corporation of India Limited (NPCIL) came to a halt as locals represented by anti-nuclear activists under People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE) protested against the plant citing safety concerns. The Central Expert Group set by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to allay the fears of the locals failed to break the logjam between the protesters and the NPCIL, even after four rounds of talks. Meanwhile, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa has constituted a four-member state expert panel to go into the fears and concerns of locals over the plant and submit a report soon.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/why-continue-keeping-our-scientists-at-kknpp-russian-envoy_668010.html

Arul Murugan

February 15th, 2012, 08:08 AM

Any idea why 2500MW is lost in last two years??

Is it real stats or TOI is trolling in their daily?

Leo_r

February 15th, 2012, 08:41 AM

May be , present Govt. stopped purchase from Exchange from May 2011, to meet demand. Thatha Govt. might have bought power for Rs 20-30,000 crores during their 5 years rule.

kannan infratech

February 15th, 2012, 08:46 AM

Huge Old dues are yet to be cleared. Present Govt cleared some old dues to get fresh power.

Private Merchant Power suppliers will supply regularly only if substantial old dues are cleared. Non Peak Hour supplies are anyhow given by them. Thats why TANGEDCO supplies power to Industries only at these hours.

Now they are working on some BG from the Govt on behalf of TANGEDCO.

TShyam

February 15th, 2012, 08:49 AM

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saysenthil

February 15th, 2012, 11:37 AM

Finally some Russian pressure added to the KNP fiasco....

Scientists cannot remain idle at Kudankulam: Russian Ambassador

Reiterating that the nuclear power plants in Kudankulam were “the safest in the world”, Russian Ambassador to India Alexander M. Kadakin on Tuesday said his country could not allow its scientists to remain idle indefinitely.

“We are not setting any deadline. But our scientists are sitting idle since October 2011. They are scientists of highest calibre and their services are very much needed in countries, including Slovakia and Russia,” he told reporters here.

The diplomat wondered how, all of a sudden, people started protesting against the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project (KKNPP) though the agreement for the project was first signed in 1988 between Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and another agreement in 2008.

“People do have the right to express their concerns and fears, especially after Fukushima incident. But why did it take six months after the incident to wake up to the Kudankulam Project. There is no need for any phobia. Fukushima is an ancient station, made on American design. I want to tell the people that the nuclear plants in Kudankulam are the safest in the world.”

The expertise of Russia in setting up nuclear power plants was recognised by the country's competitors – the United States and France, he claimed.

Cont.....

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2893813.ece

murlee

February 15th, 2012, 06:47 PM

Powerless in Freebie country

http://www.youtube.com/user/ndtv?ob=4

Arul Murugan

February 16th, 2012, 09:13 AM

May be , present Govt. stopped purchase from Exchange from May 2011, to meet demand. Thatha Govt. might have bought power for Rs 20-30,000 crores during their 5 years rule.

Is it true?

Looks due to financial issue, 1000MW is lost in thatha gvt itself. And amaiyar gvt lost another 1500MW...

so what is the vision of new gvt!!

stop purchasing power from private players - money saved
Increase bus fare with any upgradation of bus transport - stop money that was going for rescuing transport

so both the ways money is getting saved and also increased tasmac sales/profit. All these money will be used for freebies??:nuts:

calculus_ask

February 16th, 2012, 09:48 AM

Is it true?

Looks due to financial issue, 1000MW is lost in thatha gvt itself. And amaiyar gvt lost another 1500MW...

so what is the vision of new gvt!!

stop purchasing power from private players - money saved
Increase bus fare with any upgradation of bus transport - stop money that was going for rescuing transport

so both the ways money is getting saved and also increased tasmac sales/profit. All these money will be used for freebies??:nuts:

enna pa.. room pootu yosipingloo..

anyway no power cut in IT capital..

saysenthil

February 16th, 2012, 01:17 PM

saysenthil

February 16th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Hope this becomes reality soon.....

Govt to launch Kudankulam power plant after TN panel report

Government today said it would take steps to launch the controversial Kudankulam Nuclear Power plant after a committee appointed by the Tamil Nadu Government submits its report and made it clear that Russian scientists would continue to remain at the plant site. Minister of State in Prime Minister's Office V Narayanasamy said the Centre was waiting for the report of the high-level committee headed by M R Srinivasan even as a panel constituted by the Centre gave a clean chit to the project. "We welcome the constitution of a committee by the Tamil Nadu Government. We hope that the committeee will start its work soon and submit its report. We will take steps to launch the plant after the report is submitted," he told reporters here. Asked about the comments by Russian Ambassador to India Alexander M Kadakin's comments that said his country could not allow its scientists to remain idle indefinitely, the Minister said the Government has spoken to the scientists and with Russian Government authorities. "We have spoken to the scientists and also to the government of Russia. The scientists would remain there in Kudankulam," he said. Narayanasamy said Tamil Nadu would get 1,000 MW of power when the Kudankulam plant becomes operational.

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/govt-to-launch-kudankulam-power-plant-after-tn-panel-report/964328.html

murlee

February 16th, 2012, 10:23 PM

India to have 6 fast breeder reactors

As the Indian Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) nears completion, the Centre plans to build six commercial fast breeder reactors in the next 15 years.

The 500 MW prototype fast breeder reactor at Kalpakkam in Tamil Nadu is expected to be commissioned by early 2013.

“The construction will be completed by September and fuel will be lowered by December. We expect commissioning by early 2013,” said S C Chetal, Director, Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR) at Kalpakkam.

Six commercial fast breeder reactors had been planned subsequently based on the PFBR technology, said Baldev Raj, former IGCAR director. The first two of the six are planned during the 12th plan period and will be located in Kalpakkam.
The remaining four will be constructed in the 13th and 14th plan period. The locations are yet to be decided.

Fast breeder reactors “breed” more fissile material than the fuel they consume. They burn plutonium—generated in the Uranium-fueled pressurized heavy water reactors and light water reactors—to breed a type of fissile Uranium known as U-233, which is used as fuel.

The Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) claims “breeders” are an integral part of India’s three stage nuclear power programme, till the nation graduate to the third stage for utilisation of thorium, which India has aplenty.

While DAE scientists claim India has a leadership position in breeder technology, there are many within the scientific community who claim that a breeder route is a bad idea as there are questions on the safety and economic viability of the technology.

“Breeder reactors are costly and unreliable. Reprocessing (of plutonium) is more costly than storing spent fuel. Nuclear utilities are concerned about high capital and reprocessing cost,” Frank von Hippel, Professor at Princeton University and co-chair of International Panel on Fissile Materials, said at a symposium on nuclear safety at the Indian National Science Academy here.

Criticism

High-cost, use of liquid sodium as coolant and the proliferation risks associated with plutonium are other key criticisms against the FBR technology. Reprocessing (of plutonium) is economically feasible only when breeder reactors compete with burner reactors (regular LWR or PHWR).

The catch, however, was nobody constructed such a breeder so far, Hippel said. The DAE scientists disagree.

They claim breeders have many advantages. “PFBR and BN-800 are two fast reactors under construction where cost is 20-30 per cent less than older generation reactors like BN-600 and Super Phoenix in France,” Raj said, adding that China, India, France and Japan were committed to breeder reactors.

Adequate measures have been taken to keep the highly combustible liquid sodium in an inert environment so that it does not cause any trouble, Chetal says, adding that sodium coolant has many benefits.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/227582/india-have-6-fast-breeder.html

Arul Murugan

February 17th, 2012, 04:47 AM

crossposting

Reason for sudden 8-12hrs power cut in TN

ஏற்கனவே போன வருடத்தில் கூறியிருந்தேன், தமிழகம் இருட்டில் மூழ்கி 8 மணி நேரம் கரென்ட் கட் வரும் என்று நிறைய பேர் என்னை திட்டினர். இதற்க்கு முக்கிய காரணம் மத்திய அரசு, அதை பற்றியும் எழுதியிருந்தேன்,எனக்கு கூடங்குளத்தில் மாற்று கருத்து இருந்தாலும், மத்திய அரசின் பிளான் பண்ணிய பவர் கட் தான் இது ஒரு பிரஷர் டாக்டிக்ஸ். இதை படியுங்கள் கடைசியில் உள்ள என்னுடைய போன வருஷ ஆரிடிக்களையும் படியுங்கள் உண்மை வெளிச்சத்திர்க்கு வரும். இதில் சில இன்புட்கள் எனக்கு மின்சார வாரிய அதிகாரியே தந்திருந்தார். இன்னுமொரு ஷாக்கிங் நியூஸ் - பெட்ரோல் விலை ஏற்றம் இன்னும் சில நாட்களில்.....

1. கடந்த மூன்று ஆண்டுகளாவே தமிழகத்தில் மின்சாரப் பற்றாக்குறை தலைவிரித்து ஆடுகிறது. நம் தேவைக்கும் உற்பத்திக்கும் இடையில் உள்ள இடைவெளியை விளக்குவீர்களா? துறைரீதியாக இதனைப் பட்டியலிட முடியுமா?

தொடர்ச்சியாகவே இடைவெளி சுமார் 2500 மெகா வாட்டாக இருந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறது. இரவு நேரங்களில் மின் தேவை குறைவு. ஆனால் இப்பொழுது இரவில் கூட தேவையை நிவர்த்தி செய்ய முடியாத நிலைதான் உள்ளது. இரவு நேரங்களில் உள்ள இந்தப் பற்றாக்குறை பெரும்பாலும் விவசாயத்துறையைப் பாதிப்பதாக உள்ளது. தொழில்துறைக்கு பொதுவாக 30% பற்றாக்குறை உள்ளது. பிப்ரவரி தொடக்கத்தில் இருந்து அறிவிப்பில்லாத மின்வெட்டு தனியார் மின் நிலையங்களால் செயற்கையாக உருவாக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. உற்பத்தித் திறன் இருந்தும் குறிப்பாக நான்கு தனியார் மின் உற்பத்தி நிறுவனங்கள் உற்பத்தி நிறுத்தத்தில் ஈடுபட்டு வருகிறார்கள்.

2. யார் அந்த நான்கு நிறுவனங்கள்? எதற்கு இந்த உற்பத்தி நிறுத்தம்?

* பிள்ளைப் பெருமாநல்லூர் (பி.பி.என் 330 மெகாவாட்)
* ஜி.எம்.ஆர் வாசவி (196 மெகாவாட்)
* மதுரை பவர் (106 மெகாவாட்)
* சாமல்பட்டி (105.6 மெகாவாட்)
* மொத்தம் 737.6 மெகாவாட்.

மின்வாரியத்தில் இருந்து தங்களுக்கு சேர வேண்டிய நிலுவை தொகைக்காகவே இந்த உற்பத்தி நிறுத்தம். இந்த நிலுவை தொகைகள் பெரிய அளவில் இல்லை என்றாலும் கூட தமிழக மக்களைப் பிணை வைத்து மின்வாரியத்தை இக்கட்டிற்குத் தள்ளியிருக்கிறார்கள். இதில் கொடுமை என்னவென்றால் பிபிஎன் நிறுவனம் மின் உற்பத்தி நிறுத்தத்தில் ஈடுபட்டுவரும் இந்த நேரத்திலும் மின் வாரியம் தினமும் இந்த நிறுவனத்திற்கு ஒரு கோடி ரூபாய் தந்தாக வேண்டும் என்ற ஒப்பந்தம் உள்ளது. இந்த நிறுவனம் அப்போல்லோ மருத்துவமனை முதலாளிகளுக்கு சொந்தமானது.

3. மின் உற்பத்தி தொடர்ச்சியாகக் குறைந்து இருப்பதற்கான காரணம் என்ன?

நடுவன் அரசின் மின்சாரக் கொள்கையே இதற்குக் காரணம். 1992 ஆண்டிற்குப் பிறகு எதிர்கால மின் உற்பத்தி அனைத்தையும் தனியார் மட்டுமே மேற்கொள்ளலாம் என்பது தான் அது. அனைத்து மின் வாரியங்களின் புதிய மின் உற்பத்தித் திட்டங்கள் ஒட்டு மொத்தமாக மறுக்கப்பட்டன. அதன் விளைவையே இன்று நாம் சந்தித்துக்
கொண்டிருக்கிறோம்.

4.தமிழ்நாடு மின்சார ஒழுங்கு முறை ஆணையம் தனியார் மின்சார உற்பத்தி நிறுவனங்களுக்கு சாதகமாகவும், தமிழ்நாடு மின்சார வாரியத்திற்க்கு பாதகமாகவும் நடந்து கொண்டதற்கான எடுத்துக்காட்டுகளைக் கூறமுடியுமா?

ஏராளமாகக் கூறமுடியும். கடந்த ஐந்து ஆண்டுகளில் நடைபெற்ற நூற்றுக்கும் மேற்பட்ட தனியாருக்கும் மின்வாரியத்துக்கும் இடையிலான வழக்குகளில் தனியாருக்கு சாதகமாகவே ஒருதலைப்பட்சமாக ஆணையம் தீர்ப்பு வழங்கிவந்துள்ளது. இந்த வழக்குகளில் பெரும்பாலானவை நூறு கோடி ரூபாயிக்கு மேல் வாரியத்துக்கு இழப்பை ஏற்படுத்துபவை. மிகக் குறிப்பாக, ஜி.எம்.ஆர் வாசவிக்கு வழங்கப்பட்ட 484 கோடி ரூபாய்க்கு தீர்ப்பு, பிபிஎன் 189 கோடி ரூபாய் கேட்ட வழக்கில் 1050 கோடி ரூபாய் இழப்பீடு கொடுக்கச்சொல்லி வழங்கிய தீர்ப்புகள் இதை உறுதிப்படுத்துகின்றன. இவை இரண்டும் உயர்நீதிமன்றத்தின் தடையையும் மீறி சுய ஆர்வத்தின் அடிப்படையில் ஆணையம் வழங்கிய தீர்ப்புகளே. ஆணையத்தின் மீது எங்கள் அமைப்பு கடந்த ஜூலையில் ஒரு ஊழல் புகார் மனுவை முதலமைச்சரிடம் சமர்பித்துள்ளது. பிரச்சனையை அறிந்து மக்கள்தான் ஆணையத்தின்
போக்குகள் குறித்து சிந்திக்க வேண்டும்.

5. தடையற்ற மின்சாரம் என்பது தமிழ்நாட்டில் சாத்தியம்தானா?
சாத்தியம்தான். ஆனால் தற்போது நடைமுறையில் உள்ள மின்சாரச் சட்டத்தில் (2003) பெரிய மாற்றங்களைக் கொண்டு வரவேண்டும். அதாவது, மீண்டும் மாநில அரசிடம் மின்சாரத் துறை ஒப்படைக்க வேண்டும். மின்சார ஒழுங்குமுறை ஆணையங்கள் முழுமையாக
நீக்கப்படவேண்டும்.

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6. தமிழ்நாட்டின் மின்சார பிரச்சனையைத் தீர்க்க வழிதான் என்ன?
திட்டமிடப்பட்டுள்ள அனைத்து மின்வாரிய உற்பத்தி நிலையங்களும் திட்டமிட்ட காலத்திற்குள்ளே செயல்பாட்டுக்குக் கொண்டுவருவது தான் இதற்கான வழி
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2011 article

காங்கிரஸின் தேர்தல் விளையாட்டு - 6 - 8 மனி நேரம் பவர் கட் ஏன் - விளக்கவுரை.....

by Ravi Nag on Saturday, October 1, 2011 at 2:20am ·

கடந்த ஒரு வாரமாக நமது நெட்டிசன்களும், சிட்டிசன்களும் அதிகமாக பேசப்படும் ஒரு விஷயம் பவர் கட், ஆம் இந்த பவர் கட் ஒன்று முதல் மூன்று மனி நேரம் இருந்த ஒரு கொடுமை இப்பொழது ஆறு மணி நேரத்தில் இருந்து எட்டு மனி நேரமாக போன உண்மை என்னவென்று தெரியுமா. அதன் விளக்கவுரை தான் இது.

1. தமிழ் நாட்டுக்கு சுமார் 11,000 மெகாவாட் மின்சாரத்தேவை என்பது ஒரு மறுக்கமுடியாத கருத்து. அதில் நமக்கு இப்பொது கிடைப்பது சுமார் 7500 மெகா வாட் தான்.

2. ஒரு பெரிய பிரச்சனையை மத்திய அரசாங்கம் யாருக்கும் தெரியாமல் மறைக்க பார்க்கிறது. ஆம் ராமகுண்டம் அனல் மின்சார நிலையம் போன வாரம் மூடப்பட்டுள்ள்து. அதில் இருந்து நமக்கு கிடைத்த 659 மெகாவாட் மின்சாரம் இப்பொழுது பட்டை நாமம். இதற்க்கு காரனம் - தெலுங்கான பிரச்சினை மற்றும் சிங்காரேனி நிலக்கரி சுரங்க வேலை நிறுத்தம்.

3. அது எப்படி எலக்ஷன் டைம்ல கரென்ட் ஓரளவு பரவாயில்லை ஆனா இப்ப ரொம்ப மோசமா இருக்குன்னு கேட்பவர்களுக்கு, இது தான் உண்மை. எப்படியும் காங்கிரஸ் திமுக கூட்டனி ஜெயிக்க வேனும் என கங்கனம் கட்டி கொண்டு மத்திய அரசு தொகுப்பில் இருந்து 900 லட்சம் யுனிட்கள் வழங்கபட்டது. அதே சமயம் அவ்வளவு பெரிய ஆந்திராவுக்கு 490 லட்சம் யுனிட்கள் தான் தரப்பட்டது. அது இப்பொழுது இல்லை.

4. பரமாரிப்பு பணி என்ற ஒரு அல்வாவை தினமும் 10 இடத்தில் இருந்து இன்று பாதி சென்னைக்கே கொடுக்கிறார்கள். அவ்வளவு ஏரியாவை பரமாரிப்பு செய்ய வேண்டுமென்றால் சுமார் 45,000 ஆட்கள் தேவை படுவார்கள் அதனால் பரமாரிப்பு எனபது ஒரு பகல் வேடமே.

5. கூடங்குளம் உண்ணாவிரதம் இன்னும் ஒரு மறுக்க முடியாத காரனம். நாராயனசாமி இங்கு வந்து வழக்கமான் பதிலை தந்து விட்டு போனார், ஆம் பிரதமர் தான் இதற்க்கு முடிவு எடுக்க வேனும் என்று, ஆம் மத்திய அரசும் இப்பொழது தமிழ் நாட்டின் பவர் கட்டை கண்டு கொள்ளபோவதில்லை, தெலுங்கானா,கூடங்குளம் பிரச்சினையால் பவர் இல்லாமல் ஆந்திரா ம்ற்றும் தமிழகம் இருளில் உள்ளததை ரசிக்கிறார்கள்.

6. காற்றாலை மின்சாரம் பருவ மழை காரனமாக அடுத்த மூனு மாதத்திற்க்கு கிடைக்காது.

7. ஹைட்ரோ மின்சாரம் நிலையில்லா ஆற்று படுகைகளின் வெள்ளம் காரனமாக மிகவும் குறையும்.

8. தமிழ் நாட்டின் மாசு மற்றும் வருங்கால சந்ததிக்காக கூடங்குளத்தில் உண்ணாவிரதம் இருக்கும் நாம் நெய்வேலியில் பிளான்ட் 1 எக்ஸ்பேன்ஷனில் நமக்கு 46% சதவிகிதம் தான் தருகிறார்கள் அது மட்டுமல்ல பிளான்ட் 2லிருந்து 30% சதவிகிதம் தான் தருகிறார்கள்.

மத்திய அரசு இங்கிருந்து கிடைக்கும் அனு மின்சாரத்தை கூட சொற்ப சதவிகிதம் தான் நமக்கு தருகிறார்கள். இல்லாத ஒரு விஷயத்திற்க்கு உண்ணாவிரதம் இருக்கும் நாம் ஏன் நம் மன்னில் கிடைக்கும் மின்சாரத்திற்க்கு நாம் உரிமை கோரக்கூடாது. நான் ஒன்றும் மற்ற மானிலங்களுக்கு எதிரி இல்லை ஒரு காவேரி நீர் பிரச்சினை ஒரு முல்லை ஆற்று பிரச்சினைக்காக பல வருடங்களாக நம்மை ஏமாற்றும் அரசியல்வியாதிகளுக்கு இதுவே சரியான டிட் ஃபார் டாட் சொலுயுஷன்.ஆந்திராவில் குறைந்த அளவே மின்சாரம் கிடைத்தாலும் பவர் கட் என்பது தமிழகத்தை கம்பேர் பன்னினால் மிக மிக குறைவே. குஜராத்தில் பவர் கட் என்பது விசேஷ நாட்கள் மாதிரி மிகவும் அரிதானது. கர்னாடகத்தில் சுமார் 5% சதவிகிதம் தான். நாளைய தமிழகம் எப்படி இருக்கும்னு நினக்கவே பயமாக இருக்கிறது ஏன் என்றால் நவீன தொழில்மயாக்களின் கொள்கைக்காக மின்சார தேவை மிக மிக அதிகம். கோவை சுஷ்லானுக்கு 80 மெகா வாட், செயின்ட் கோபின் இரண்டாவது தொழிற்ச்சாலைக்கு 140 மெகா வாட், அசோக் லைலேன்ட், போயிங் விமான தொழிற்ச்சாலை மற்றும் 23 பெரிய உள்ளூர் மற்றூம் வெளியுர் தொழிற்ச்சாலை களின் தேவை பன்மட்ங்கு.

எனக்கு தெரிந்தவரை மார்ச் 2012 மற்றும் அக்டோபர் 2012க்கு முதல் மின்சாரம் மத்திய பங்கீடு இல்லாமல் தமிழகத்திற்க்கு எக்ஸ்ட்ரா மின்சாரம் ஒரு கன்னீதீவு கதை மாதிரி தான்

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Tuticorin - 1050MW
Mettur - 840MW
North Chennai - 630MW
Ennore - 450MW

Thermal - 2970MW
Hydro - 2186MW
Gas - 515MW

Total - 5671MW is the own capacity of Tamilnadu state gvt... rest of power needs to be begged from central gvt, private player.

Now Hydro will not produce 2186MW because water level in dams/catchment area might have gone done..

considering 75% is actual availablility, TNEB share comes to 4200MW approx
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Neyveli plant capacity - 2500MW, what is TN share? 1167MW.. so where does rest 1333MW goes? To Bengaluru/KA/Andhra i.e to maintain the national integration!! When CG is deniying power from center pool which is generating from other state, why TN should allow power share to other state which is generated with TN's resource?? Not only Chennai, neighbor capital also enjoying no or less power cut at the cost of other part of TN ;)

CG is supposed to give 3130MW to TN, but I guess only Neyveli and Kalpakkam are supplying power to us.. all other are namam.

considering 65% is CG is supply, CG share comes to 2000MW approx
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2000+4200=6200MW, remaining 1300MW might be from wind/few private players.

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divert all power of Neyveli and Kalpakkam to TN = 2500+400 = 2900MW
TNEB = 4200MW
start purchasing power from private = 700MW
existing purchase from wind/private - 1300MW

Total = 9100MW!! Chennai city demand is 2000MW.. (ippo 7500 la 2000MW Chennai key poguthu..:nuts:), implementing above and introducing equal power cut b/w Chennai and other parts of the state will bring down the power cut hrs to 2-3hrs... oru rough estimate thaan.

In march/April things will get better if North Chennai, Vallur and Mettur start to produce power... then private power purchase can be limited! Tarrif hike will come as rescue for paying the debts..

saysenthil

February 17th, 2012, 10:50 AM

TN govt. panel on Kudankulam to meet tomorrow

The four-member committee set up by Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa to look into the fears and concerns of the protesters against Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant would hold its first meeting in Chennai tomorrow.

“I am reaching Chennai tonight and we will meet tomorrow. All four of us will meet and discuss the issues,” former Atomic Energy Commission chief and a member of the four-member panel M. R. Srinivasan told PTI.

The meeting of the panel comes two days after Russian Ambassador to India Alexander M. Kadakin blamed ‘vested interests’ for the protest against the Indo-Russian joint venture project and said any further delay would only lead to cost overruns.

He had also said the plant would help Tamil Nadu overcome the acute power shortage it was facing.

Asked whether the panel would meet representatives from the People’s Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE), spearheading the over five-month long protest against KNPP, Mr. Srinivasan said, “We (four members) will meet first to decide further action.” Prof D. Arivoli and Prof S. Iniyan, both from Anna University, and former IAS officer L. N. Vijayaraghavan are the other members of the committee.

The agitation has brought the work at the plant to a halt, delaying the commissioning of the first unit to May this year.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/...cle2899998.ece

ஜெ.,வுடன் தமிழக நிபுணர் குழு ஆலோசனை

கூடங்குளம் அணு உலை தொடர்பாக தமிழக அரசு அமைத்துள்ள நிபுணர் குழு முதல்வர் ஜெயலலிதாவை சந்தித்து ஆலோசனை நடத்தி வருகிறது. முன்னதாக அண்ணா பல்கலை,லயில் நிபுணர் குழுவினர் ஆலோசனை நடத்தினர்.

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=408232

saysenthil

February 17th, 2012, 02:27 PM

Expert panel on Koodankulam to meet Saturday

Chennai: Restarting the process of allaying the safety concerns of locals over the Koodankulam Nuclear Power plant, a four-member committee set up by Tamil Nadu government will visit the project site on Saturday and meet stakeholders.

The decision to interact with the plant officials as well as the protesters was taken at the first meeting of the committee held here on Friday, its Convenor Prof S Iniyan said.

"We will go to Koodankulam tomorrow and meet officials and protesters there. We will soon submit a report to the state government," he told PTI.

The panel has been set up by Chief Minister Jayalalithaa in a fresh initiative after the 15-member expert group, set up by the Centre to allay the fears of locals, failed to break the logjam with anti-Koodankulam protesters even after four rounds of talks.

The four-member panel, including former Atomic Energy Commission chief MR Srinivasan, met Jayalalithaa and Chief Secretary Debendranath Sarangi and discussed the issue, which has stalled the commissioning of the first reactor in the Indo-Russian project for over five months.

Asked whether they would meet the protesters who are against the project, Iniyan said, "We will inform the District Collector and he will arrange it. Probably, we will meet the protesters on Sunday."

Srinivasan, whose inclusion in the panel has been opposed by the protesters, who call him "pro-nuclear", said there was a dire need of electricity in the state.

"It is not right to state that everyone is opposing the project. There are concerns about the safety aspect, which will have to be allayed," he said.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/tamil-nadu/expert-panel-on-koodankulam-to-meet-saturday_758890.html

murlee

February 17th, 2012, 05:10 PM

http://www.tn.gov.in/seithi_veliyeedu/pr17Feb12/pr170212a.jpg

murlee

February 18th, 2012, 04:47 AM

Thermal power plant plan opposed by environmentalists

An umbrella organisation of environmentalists today opposed a private firm's plan to build a Rs 7,000 crore thermal power plant in the district, saying discharge of flyash and bottom ash would harm coastal ecology and lead to extinction of the endangered Olive Ridley turtles. "Flyash and bottom ash content will get into the marine environment and spoil the coastal ecology.The endangered Olive Ridley turtles, which visit this coastal stretch for nesting will face extinction if the plant is allowed to to be set up." Jesurethinam, convenor of Coastal Action Network, said. She was among hundreds of environmental activists and villagers of Perunthottam, who gathered at a public hearing got up by district officials here to discuss various aspects of the plant. She also said the proposed plant would lead to displacement and migration of agricultural farmers and Dalit labourers due to loss of agricultural lands, besides depriving fishermen of marine resources which would be lost due to thermal pollution. The 1,320 MW coal based thermal plant is proposed to be set up by Sindya Power Generating Company Pvt Ltd (SPGCPL) at Perunthottam village in Sirkazhi taluk in about 594 acres. Some at the meeting voiced support to the project, arguing that it would usher in development, provide employment and supply electricity to the state, facing power shortage. SPGCPL on its part said it would construct houses for 93 families in the village and a temple and had budgeted Rs 15.20 crore to implement the Corporate Social Responsibility schemes during the four year construction period. It also said Rs 635 Crore had been earmarked to implement the Environmental Management Plan for the project.

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/thermal-power-plant-plan-opposed-by-environmentalists/965123.html

murlee

February 18th, 2012, 04:50 AM

kannan infratech

February 18th, 2012, 09:03 AM

Nuclear plant um vara vida mattinga.. Thermal plant um vara vida mattinga!! :rant: $%#^&*^*

These people who are opposing should not be given power connection.. Let them go and live like cavemen and women in their own sweet environmentally pure area and just leave us normal people alone!

Murlee

I can understand your anguish but if the precaution to prevent environmental degradation is not taken, that development leads further to chaos.

Many of these projects do not have a long term Enviro protection plan and they get Enviro clearance based on affidavits from the corrupt ministers.

Let the promoters spell out the precautionary measures taken and go ahead with the project.

Vicvin86

February 18th, 2012, 10:44 AM

I am scared, people might start protests against NCTP and Vallur and may ask government to reopen VGP wonderland :nuts:

Vicvin86

February 18th, 2012, 10:44 AM

Thermal power plant plan opposed by environmentalists

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/thermal-power-plant-plan-opposed-by-environmentalists/965123.html
PODAla pudichu podunga saar ivangala....

murlee

February 18th, 2012, 11:07 AM

Murlee

I can understand your anguish but if the precaution to prevent environmental degradation is not taken, that development leads further to chaos.

Many of these projects do not have a long term Enviro protection plan and they get Enviro clearance based on affidavits from the corrupt ministers.

Let the promoters spell out the precautionary measures taken and go ahead with the project.

Sir,

I completely understand how important environment is and it must be protected to a reasonable level..

But, What completely pisses me off is, these so called environmentalists oppose anything outright instead of giving constructive solutions and methods by which environmental degradation could be minimised..

Let them sit across the table with these developers and devise a way by which their concerns are addressed.. The developers are saying that they have earmarked 635 crores for Environmental management plan.. These environmentalists should make sure that those steps are genuine and follow up on those promises instead of protesting and stopping every damn project!!

kannan infratech

February 18th, 2012, 11:31 AM

If CG & NPC were forthcoming with safety aspects measures right in the beginning, the agitation by UK & gang would have fizzled out in Koodankulam. The Govt would then have the moral right to arrest the protesters.

But they dilly dallied and went around the bush giving very very long rope tp UK & Gang.

The 6 months setback is the result.

Similarly, for all thermal plants also, declare all the enviro sustaining measures right now without waiting for somebody to protest. Then they can be firm with the protesters.

I am worried by the secrecy / lethargy.

(Neyveli - NLC has huge mines and this activity degrades the earth as many trees and plants have to be uprooted. NLC has an ongoing tree planting program and they plant trees in multiples of what are destroyed. I want similar schemes announce right now and implemented.)

krishnaswamy

February 18th, 2012, 09:19 PM

As kannan sir pointed out,
Governments or power plant authorities or scientists are not taking any measures to come out openly, debates the environment causes and do right settlement to the people.
moreover vested interests of politicians also coming into play on this..
I remember article from Vikatan on POSCO in Odhisha. POSCO is going to give us the peanuts, where they are going to get "HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGE" benefits.
they gave some peanuts to Odisha power politicians too..
see the classic difference between Kalpakkam and NLC.

N.kumar

February 19th, 2012, 03:05 AM

Thermal power plant plan opposed by environmentalists

Quote:
An umbrella organisation of environmentalists today opposed a private firm's plan to build a Rs 7,000 crore thermal power plant in the district, saying discharge of flyash and bottom ash would harm coastal ecology and lead to extinction of the endangered Olive Ridley turtles. "Flyash and bottom ash content will get into the marine environment and spoil the coastal ecology.The endangered Olive Ridley turtles, which visit this coastal stretch for nesting will face extinction if the plant is allowed to to be set up." Jesurethinam, convenor of Coastal Action Network, said. She was among hundreds of environmental activists and villagers of Perunthottam, who gathered at a public hearing got up by district officials here to discuss various aspects of the plant. She also said the proposed plant would lead to displacement and migration of agricultural farmers and Dalit labourers due to loss of agricultural lands, besides depriving fishermen of marine resources which would be lost due to thermal pollution. The 1,320 MW coal based thermal plant is proposed to be set up by Sindya Power Generating Company Pvt Ltd (SPGCPL) at Perunthottam village in Sirkazhi taluk in about 594 acres. Some at the meeting voiced support to the project, arguing that it would usher in development, provide employment and supply electricity to the state, facing power shortage. SPGCPL on its part said it would construct houses for 93 families in the village and a temple and had budgeted Rs 15.20 crore to implement the Corporate Social Responsibility schemes during the four year construction period. It also said Rs 635 Crore had been earmarked to implement the Environmental Management Plan for the project.
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfee...ts/965123.html

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/thermal-power-plant-plan-opposed-by-environmentalists/965123.html

no other conclusion needed.

N.kumar

February 19th, 2012, 03:22 PM

I was searching for something when i got this, confirms what my friend told me

Maharashtra has been reeling under a power crisis for over a week due to short supply of coal, in the wake of the Telangana agitation, leaving much of the rural areas in darkness with 13 to 14 hour power cuts and cities for three to eight hours.

However, relief seems to be in the offing with 700 MW being assured in the next few days after Deputy Chief Minister Ajit Pawar rushed to New Delhi on Wednesday to meet Union Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde and others.

Mumbai has the luxury of being isolated from power cuts and Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan parried questions of loadshedding in the city. Stoppage of coal from the Singareni mines in Andhra Pradesh has affected production of power at Parli. Usually the State needs 24 rakes of coal daily but in the last three weeks the supply has shrunk to 11 or 12 rakes a day.

In addition, floods in Orissa had cut off supplies from the Mahanadi coalmines, affecting power production in the Koradi, Chandrapur, Paras and Khaparkheda plants.

Briefing the media, Mr. Chavan appealed to people not to indulge in violence and politicise the issue. Reports of electricity supply offices being burnt have been coming in for a couple of days from the State and the Bharatiya Janata Party has threatened an agitation if the matter was not resolved in five days.

Mr. Chavan denied that the State had enough coal supplies and there were problems only with power plants. It's a national crisis and other States were also affected. The focus now was on grid management, he pointed out.

The demand for power in Maharashtra now is 16,000-16,500 MW and production is 11,000-11,500 MW. Usually in October the demand is 13,500-14,000 MW. However the heat and rabi preparations have upped the demand.

The State faces a shortage of 3500-4000 MW and is getting 1500 MW less from the central projects. In addition, reduced coal supply has affected power production in the southern States, reducing the frequency of the national grid and causing tripping.

Industries will not get power for 16 hours once a week and there is a schedule of staggering power supply for each region. In addition Mahavitaran, the State electricity distribution company, decided to stop power for agriculture pumps for one day in a week. The rest of the days farmers will get eight hours of power. Mr. Chavan admitted this shortage would affect preparations for the rabi season ahead.

Official sources said that after the meeting with Mr. Pawar and other ministers, Mr. Shinde agreed to release 300 MW from Wednesday for Maharashtra — 200 MW from the NTPC plant at Sipat in Chhattisgarh and 100 MW from the central power projects.

Also the State will get two additional rakes of coal in a day or two. This will help an additional generation 700-800 MW. From October 14 to October 18, 100 MW each will be available from the Vindyachal, Korba and Gandhar power plants. The Centre has also sanctioned additional natural gas of 0.9mmscmd (million metric standard cubic meter per day) to the Dabhol power plant over the next 8 to 10 days which will help the plant to generate 180-200 MW in addition to the 1600 MW it is producing now.

Arul Murugan

February 19th, 2012, 04:33 PM

2hours load shedding in Chennai, will drastically bring down power cut timings in other parts of the state.

We can forget Kundankulam power for another 1yr looking at the way the state gvt is handling the issue... :nuts:

சுனாமி, நிலநடுக்கம் வந்தாலும் அணுஉலைக்கு ஆபத்து இல்லை: தமிழக நிபுணர் குழு உறுப்பினர்கள்

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=409440

kongutamizhan

February 19th, 2012, 05:23 PM

^^ 11 hours cut in coimbatore yesterday and today

Vicvin86

February 19th, 2012, 05:26 PM

1hour and 10 min power cut in Chennai yesterday.

madurakarenda

February 19th, 2012, 05:46 PM

Power cuts were comparatively less yesterday and today.

Today 4 hrs in Madurai.

Arul Murugan

February 19th, 2012, 05:57 PM

^^

8hrs in Salem yesterday and 6hrs today. 12hrs in rural Salem... 10hrs in Madurai Thirumangalam.

deepu051993

February 19th, 2012, 07:00 PM

^^In trichy they have announced 8hrs power shutdown officially.

9-12 am, 3-6pm, 2 45min and one 30 min during night in the city and the surroundings have the remaining times for 8 hrs.

This was official and follwed correctly. Last two days two 3hrs experianced but after evening no power shutdown.

krishnaswamy

February 19th, 2012, 07:39 PM

1 good thing that needs to be welcomed is..
TNEB should announce power cut timings and it needs to follow this strictly..
looks for the past 2 days, they are doing it..
this will help people to plan better..
inverter charge pannikkalam..
mixie-le thengai chutney araichukalam..grinder-le thosai mavu araichukalam..
house wife can do something usefully since they are away from useless TV serials.

karkal

February 20th, 2012, 04:18 AM

Panel calls Koodankulam nuclear power project world-class

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/south/panel-calls-koodankulam-nuclear-power-project-world-class-906

The Koodankulam nuclear power project (KKNPP) may soon take off, overcoming the strident agitation by some locals, as the four-member state committee too has held it to be ‘world-class’, absolutely safe and capable of withstanding “even a tsunami and an earthquake’.

“The infrastructure is robust and is at an elevation of 25 ft from the mean sea level. The plant is safe even if a tsunami strikes. It is designed to withstand quakes of up to 6.5 on the Richter scale. And the sensitive reactor will switch off automatically even if a slight tremor occurs”, panel convenor Prof S. Iniyan, told reporters here on Sunday.

“We have found that the plant is completely safe. We visited the location where the seawater is fed into the condenser. It is working efficiently. Not even a single fish will die when the water intake h[/COLOR]appens”, he added, after a three-hour inspection of the plant by the team, which also met the anti-KKNPP members of the People’s Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE).

Prof Iniyan said the team reviewed the various safety measures at the plant on Saturday and found that all initiatives were in place for any contingency. The plant also had a passive heat removal system and high-power diesel generators even in case of power failure. Such safety devices were not present even in the Japanese Fukushima nuke plant, he asserted.

Iniyan said talks with the PMANE group, spearheading the protest against the KKNPP, were “cordial”. However, the committee could not meet with the PMANE demand that they talk to the public in the coastal villages “because such an exercise was not part of our agenda and we could know their feelings through the PMANE representatives’.

The chief minister had given the expert panel two tasks— reviewing the safety features in the plant and allaying the concerns of the local people. “We will go back to Chennai and study the documents provided by the plant officials and submit our report,” he said.

Former chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, Dr M.R. Srinivasan, who is a leading member of the panel, expressed concern that all the essential maintenance measures should continue, even though the reactor was not yet commissioned.

“It is unfortunate that the maintenance staff were prevented entry (by the agitators). There is no nuclear fuel in the reactor and only dummy rods are there. Maintenance must continue, water supply must go on uninterrupted. The electronic equipment could deteriorate’, he said.

PMANE representative Udayakumar however appeared adamant, despite the state panel clearing the plant.

“There are serious geological, oceanic and water management issues. The committee did not meet with our own panel of experts. We want to meet the chief minister and discuss”, he told reporters

ceeznic pirate

February 20th, 2012, 09:45 AM

At Villupuram - 7.5 hours shutdown last Friday and Saturday. Only 6 hours on Sunday.

Officially announced as
00.45AM - 1.30AM
6AM-9AM
12PM-3PM
8.15PM-9PM

saysenthil

February 20th, 2012, 10:22 AM

State expert panel to submit report soon

The State expert panel on the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project (KKNPP) that studied the safety arrangements in nuclear reactors is expected to submit its report to the government shortly after going through documents and recording the apprehensions of the local community.

Though the anti-KKNPP struggle committee has termed that Sunday's talks with the State expert panel as only “a beginning”, it seems that there would not be any more talks between the two sides as the experts were likely to submit their report in a fortnight.

Speaking to reporters here on Sunday after the talks with the members of anti-KKNPP Struggle Committee, Iniyan, convener of the State expert panel and Director, Institute for Energy Studies, Anna University, Chennai, said the State expert team, which was given the tasks of ascertaining the safety features of the 2 X 1,000 MWe VVER reactors and understanding the apprehensions of the local community living close to the KKNPP site, inspected the “first-of-its kind safety measures” incorporated in the nuclear reactors. Since the entire complex including the reactor building and the diesel generator building and the control unit had been firmly located at a reasonable height from the shoreline, it would not be affected by tsunami or earthquake with the magnitude of even 6.50 on Richter scale.

“The reactor has seven safety arrangements and we could fully understood all these safety measures,” Dr. Iniyan said. On the apprehensions of the local community, he said the team had understood them after talking to the representatives of the protesters. “With the submission of our report, our task will be completed,” Dr. Iniyan said. Commenting on denial of permission to the KKNPP officials to explain the salient safety features of the reactor to the State expert panel members, he said it was most unfortunate. <---- :omg:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2910857.ece

saysenthil

February 20th, 2012, 12:56 PM

Dont know to rejoice as its from dina"mala_"!

‘ இனிமேல் அணு உலை போராட்டம் வலுப்பெற முடியாது ’ போலீசார் குவிப்பு; தயாராக இருக்க உத்தரவு

கூடங்குளம் அணுஉலை அமைப்பதற்கு சாதகமான முடிவுகளை மாநில நிபுணர் குழுவின் எடுக்கும் என திட்டவட்டமாக தெரிவதால் போராட்டக்குழுவினர் அடுத்தக்கட்டநிலை குறித்து விவாதித்துவருகின்றனர். இதற்கிடையில் கூடங்குளத்தில் எதற்கும் தயாராக இருக்கும்படியாக அதிக எண்ணிக்கையில் போலீசார் குவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளனர்.

கூடங்குளம் அணுமின்நிலையத்தின் பாதுகாப்பு அம்சங்களை நேரில் ஆய்வு செய்த அணுவிஞ்ஞானி எம்.ஆர்.சீனிவாசன், பேராசிரியர்கள் இனியன், அறிவுஒளி, ஓய்வுபெற்ற ஐ.ஏ.எஸ்.,அதிகாரி விஜயராகவன் ஆகிய மாநில நிபுணர் குழுவினர் நேற்று மாலையில் போராட்ட குழுவின் பிரதிநிதிகளுடன் பேசினர். தங்களுக்கு மாநில அரசு தந்துள்ள இரண்டு பணிகளையும் மேற்கொண்டதாகவும் அணுஉலையின் பாதுகாப்பு அம்சங்கள் சிறப்பாக உள்ளதாகவும், போராட்டத்தில் ஈடுபட்டுள்ள மக்களின் அச்சஉணர்வினை பிரதிநிதிகளின் கருத்துக்களின் மூலம் தெரிந்துகொண்டதாகவும் கூறினர். இக்குழுவினர் சென்னை கிளம்பினர். மாநில குழுவினர் விரைவில் அரசுக்கு அறிக்கை தாக்கல் செய்வார்கள்.

மாநில குழுவினரின் பேச்சுவார்த்தையில் அணுஉலைக்கு சாதகமாக இருப்பதால் விரைவில் மின்உற்பத்தியை துவக்கலாம் என்றே அறிக்கை தரவாய்ப்பிருப்பதாக தெரிகிறது. இதனால் போராட்டக்குழுவினர் தற்போது அடுத்தக்கட்ட நிலை குறித்து இடிந்தகரையில் பேசிவருகின்றனர். கூடங்குளத்தில் அடிப்படை மற்றும் கண்காணிப்பு பணிகளில் தினமும் 120 ஊழியர்கள் அனுமதிக்கப்பட்டுவருகின்றனர். அவர்களில் வெறும் 20 பேர்களை மட்டுமே அனுமதிக்கவேண்டும் எனவும் போராட்டக்குழுவினர் கேட்டனர். அதற்கும் அரசு தரப்பில் அனுமதிக்கவில்லை. எனவே போராட்டக்காரர்கள் அணுஉலை பணியாளர்களை உள்ளே செல்லவிடாமல் தடுக்க நேரிடலாம் என்ற நிலை உள்ளது.

இதுவரையிலும் சுமார் 100 போலீசார் மட்டுமே பாதுகாப்பிற்கு இருந்த கூடங்குளம் அணுஉலை பகுதியில் இன்று காலையில் 800 போலீசார் பணியமர்த்தப்பட்டுள்ளனர். டி.ஐ.ஜி.,வரதராஜூ, எஸ்.பி.,விஜயேந்திர பிதரி உள்ளிட்ட அதிகாரிகள் தலைமையில் போலீஸ் படைகள் குவிக்கப்பட்டு எதற்கும் தயார் நிலையில் உள்ளனர்.

மாநில அரசின் நிலை மாறுகிறது: மாநில அரசின் நிபுணர்குழு கூடங்குளம் அணுமின் நிலையத்தின் பாதுகாப்பில் பிரச்னை இல்லை என்றும் இது திருப்திகரமாக உள்ளது என்றும் கூறியிருப்பதால், இது போராட்டக்காரர்களுக்கு பெரும் ஏமாற்றத்தை தந்துள்ளது. மாநில அரசு போராட்டக்காரர்களுக்கு எதிராக களம் இறங்கும் போது தொடர்ந்து போராட்டம் நடத்துவதில் சிரமம் ஏற்படும். போலீசின் கெடுபிடிகள் அதிகரிக்கும். இதனால் அடுத்து என்ன செய்வது என போராடக்காரர்கள் முடிவு எடுக்க முடியாமல் திகைத்து வருகின்றனர்.

3 நாள் உண்ணாவிரதம் அறிவிப்பு: இதற்கிடையில் அணுஉலையை மூடக்கோரி 3 நாள் உண்ணாவிரத போராட்டம் நடத்தப்போவதாக உதயக்குமமார் இன்று இடிந்தகரையில் தெரிவித்துள்ளார். மாநில குழுவிர் தங்கள் தரப்பில் இருந்த நிபுணர் குழுவை சந்திக்கவில்லை என்று குறைப்பட்டார்.

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=410205

http://www.dinakaran.com/data1/DNewsimages/Tamil-Daily-News-Paper_18444025517.jpg

kannan infratech

February 20th, 2012, 03:19 PM

SO SG - CG deal done ? :)

Murali Bala

February 20th, 2012, 03:32 PM

The Kudankulam plant construction started in 1990's and any agitation to stop this Project should be crushed with a iron hand. 20,000 crores cannot be put into the sea beacuse of a bunch of greedy evangelists who receive funds from abraod to do this agitations.

satishanu

February 20th, 2012, 03:33 PM

SO SG - CG deal done ? :)

It will be great news indeed if it is. :banana:

saysenthil

February 20th, 2012, 03:48 PM

SO SG - CG deal done ? :)

^^

Lot of news that loads of policemen have been stationed... But does it means really SG - CG deal??? I dont trust anymore both the govts.....

Keeping my fingers crossed!!!

Vicvin86

February 20th, 2012, 04:01 PM

Ippadithan aasa kaati mosam panranga...

kvijayasundaram

February 20th, 2012, 04:11 PM

SO SG - CG deal done ? :)

enna deal? electoral alliance? As an Insider you must be having some classified info that doesn't make it to the press.

kvijayasundaram

February 20th, 2012, 04:20 PM

Ippadithan aasa kaati mosam panranga...

KKNPP is sure to come. The only question is "WHEN". I am afraid it may be too late b'cos by the time it starts generating the power demand would have gone through the roof and KKNP power is very unlikely to make any major difference.

This plant was supposed to generate power a decade ago and I remember reading somewhere ( could be dinamalar) that the power demand between last year and current year has increased by ~900MW.

karkal

February 20th, 2012, 06:19 PM

IAEA officials visit Koodankulam Plant

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/iaea-officials-visit-koodankulam-plant/966084.html

Chennai, Feb 20 (PTI) A two-member team from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) today visited the controversial Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant, Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) sources said. The team visited the project site, located in Tirunelveli district, along with a group of DAE officials, they said. It was only a "regular visit" to the facility that has been taking place from time to time, they added. The commissioning of the KNPP has been delayed due to agitations by protestors of the Plant who have raised questions over its safety aspects. Two expert committees formed by the Central and State governments have failed to break the impasse and a specially constituted panel by the State government had yesterday virtually given a clean chit to the Plant over the safety aspect.

Leo_r

February 20th, 2012, 06:39 PM

SO SG - CG deal done ? :)

As per Makkal TV, immediate Environment clearance for the SS Hospital in Ommandurar Estate.

Instead I would have loved a promise for 1500-2000 MW from Central power stations immediately.

karkal

February 20th, 2012, 07:30 PM

Plea to detain anti-KNPP activist transferred to Chennai

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/plea-to-detain-antiknpp-activist-transferred-to-chennai/966117.html

Madurai, Feb 20 (PTI) The Madras High Court Bench here today transferred a PIL, seeking to detain under National Security Act S P Udayakumar, the coordinator of People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE), spearheading the protests against the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant (KNPP), to the principal seat at Chennai. R Sivakumar, a Madurai-based hotelier, had filed the PIL seeking to direct the district authorities of Tirunelveli, where the Plant is located, to take deterrent steps to put down the "violent activities" of Udayakumar and detain him under NSA. Justices N Paul Vasanthakumar and P Devadass said there was an administrative order issued by the Chief Justice of the Madras High Court to transfer cases relating to KNPP to the principal seat, and transferred the case. The petitioner’s counsel M Patturajan said unless the High Court intervened in the matter and directed authorities to take deterrent steps to put down the "violent activities" of Udayakumar and apprehend him under NSA, "this agitation will not come to an end in the near future". In the PIL, the petitioner said a Peace Committee, made up of members of the local population living around the Plant, also came to the conclusion that the villagers who are agitating against the KNPP were being "thoroughly misled". The illiterate and innocent villages are "instigated" by Udayakumar, M Pushparayan and M P Jesuraj (prominent members of the anti-KNPP movement) and their "coterie" who are "systemically brainwashing" the villagers by undertaking fasts, demonstrations, making emotional speeches and spreading false propaganda, he alleged. Udayakumar was instigating the people to siege KNPP and he was "intimidating" the scientists and authorities at the Plant to remove uranium from the site, he charged.

Looks like High court is going to step in and resolve this issue.

bonoslack7

February 21st, 2012, 02:07 PM

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/expect-threehour-power-cuts-in-the-city/232156-62-130.html

The city and its suburbs are likely to witness a power cut of three hours everyday. A proposal in this regard was submitted by the Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation Limited (TANGEDCO) to the State government authorities late on Monday. According to sources, a two-hour power cut in Chennai will be imposed between 8 am and 6 pm. Another hour of power cut will be imposed between 10 pm and 6 am bringing the total duration of power cuts to three hours from the present one hour in the State capital.

The decision to increase the duration of power cuts in Chennai was arrived at a meeting of senior electricity officials, including regional chief engineers, on Monday. Chairman and Managing Director of TANGEDCO, Rajeev Ranjan, presided over the meeting.

Officials from the districts stressed on the need to bring about an equitable distribution of load shedding across the State in view of increasing protests in the hinterland areas. An official announcement on the increase in duration of the power cut in Chennai, besides an announcement on power holiday for industries, is likely on Tuesday. Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa is expected to take a call on the issue on Tuesday.

staravindan

February 21st, 2012, 05:02 PM

Pre Poll Slogan....... Post Poll slogan

"Ikkaraikku akkarai Pachai"....TN in 2012 ....there is no green on either side.

karkal

February 21st, 2012, 09:46 PM

Centre gives TN nuclear power boost

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/south/centre-gives-tn-nuclear-power-boost-500

Even as the group protesting Koodankulam Nuclear Power Project (KKNPP) upped the ante, the department of atomic energy (DAE) announced Tuesday it would add two more reactors to Kalpakkam Nuclear Plant in an effort to bridge the energy demand-supply gap.

The 500 MW fast-breeder reactors would have additional safety systems and were part of a series of nuclear reactors gearing up across the country to produce 20,000 MWe by 2020, S.C. Chetal, director, IGCAR, Kalpakkam, said.

Several states are queuing up with requests to DAE to set up nuke plants and are offering sites.
“The rush is more from states that are not able to meet their energy needs. We have potential sites at Hisar in Haryana, in Madhya Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal,” Dr Chetal told reporters after inaugurating an awareness campaign on nuclear energy at Sathyabama University in Chennai.

“The next two reactors at Kalpakkam will have improved safety features and better economics than the prototype fast-breeder reactor, which is actually the first of the 500 MWe designed in the country by IGCAR. The lessons we have learnt in design, construction and licensing will help us minimize cost and improve safety,” he said.

The IGCAR chief said four pressurised heavy water reactors for 700 MWe units were under construction. Two reactors of 1,000 MW each were expected to come up at Koodankulam soon, he said. “We will have several 700 MW units.”

Dr Chetal’s confidence about DAE stepping up the nuke power programme possibly stems from clear indications by the Tamil Nadu government that it would soon act against the Koodankulam demonstrators.

State panel to submit report in a few days

The TN government expert committee to study KKNPP safety has started drafting its report and would present it to CM J Jayalalithaa in the next few days, convener S Iniyan said.

“We have started writing our report. We have collected relevant papers from officials of the plant and also gathered enough information during our visit there,” the director of institute of energy studies, Anna Univerisity, said.

Union minister V. Narayanasamy said now that the state-appointed panel was getting its report ready there was hope the project would commence without further delay.

“All people of Tamil Nadu want the project. This will be done soon, as the government of Tamil Nadu and the Centre are working in tandem to start the project, which is the safest in the world,” he said.

arun82

February 22nd, 2012, 08:12 AM

Most of the TNEB officals in south has informed people that till KKNP is up and running these 10 power cuts will continue. It may be a SG game to turn the people against the anti kknp group so no body will damn care and will be against them. Atlast the protest will die a natural death.

saysenthil

February 23rd, 2012, 02:14 PM

NPCIL hopes to start Kudankulam nuclear plant by August

India's nuclear operator Nuclear Power Corporation of India Limited (NPCIL) on Wednesday said it expected things to return to normal at the Kudankulam nuclear power project (KNPP) within the next four to six weeks, paving way for its commissioning by August.

"I expect that in four to six weeks things would come to normal (at Kudankulam)," a top official of the NPCIL said in Delhi.

He said nuclear scientists would require another four months after things return to normal to commission the first 1,000MW unit of the Kudankulam plant.

Hopes for resolution of the months long agitation against KNPP had brightened when the Tamil Nadu government set up a four-member team headed by Prof S Iniyan to look into the concerns of local people over the project.

NPCIL has launched a massive awareness campaign in and around Kudankulam informing the people on the safety aspects of the plant.

Jingles for mobile phones, awareness through FM radio and television and distributing over million handouts are some of the methods adopted by the nuclear operator to inform the people on various aspects of the plant.

The four-member team had visited Kudankulam and reviewed safety measures at the nuclear power plant and also interacted with the protesters.

The panel is expected to give its report to the state government soon.

Meanwhile, International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) officials carried out inspection of the fuel for the KNPP stored at the plant site on Monday.

"We had purchased the fuel from Russia under IAEA safeguards agreement. IAEA officials carried out routine inspections to ensure that the fuel was not diverted for purposes other than generation of power," the NPCIL official said.

However, since the Kudankulam plant is not operational, the officials visited the fuel storage room to cross check the fuel inventory which is kept in a sealed box.

Since the fuel is procured under international safeguards the entire route from the storage room to the reactor where it is loaded is kept under round-the-clock surveillance of video cameras.

"There are multiple CCTV cameras on the entire route to monitor the movement of fuel," he said, adding that utmost care has to be taken to keep them operational round-the-clock.

If the cameras are dysfunctional, it has to be reported to the IAEA and proper logs of have to be maintained for the reason of the failure.

The IAEA inspectors also checked the memory cards of the surveillance cameras to check out whether there were any blackouts, he said.

Two 1,000MW nuclear power plants, built by the NPCIL with Russian collaboration, are in advanced stages of completion and are awaiting the protests to be called of to start operations.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_npcil-hopes-to-start-kudankulam-nuclear-plant-by-august_1653550

saysenthil

February 24th, 2012, 09:49 AM

Manmohan criticises NGOs for protests in Kudankulam

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has criticised non-governmental organisations that receive support from abroad for stalling the use of genetic engineering in agriculture and leading protests against the Kudankulam nuclear power plant in Tamil Nadu.

In an interview published in the latest issue of journal Science, Dr. Singh pointed to the potential of biotechnology, saying “in due course of time we must make use of genetic engineering technologies to increase the productivity of our agriculture.”

But controversies had arisen. “There are NGOs, often funded from the United States and the Scandinavian countries, which are not fully appreciative of the development challenges that our country faces.”

Then, referring to the protests at Kudankulam, he said: “the atomic energy programme has got into difficulties because these NGOs, mostly I think based in the United States, don't appreciate need for our country to increase the energy supply.”

Asked whether nuclear power had a role in India despite the Fukushima disaster in Japan, he said, “Yes, where India is concerned, yes. The thinking segment of our population certainly is supportive of nuclear energy.”

On investment in R&D, he reiterated the view that such spending should be raised from about 1per cent of the GDP (Gross Domestic Product) to about 2 per cent. Public sector spending on research as a proportion of the GDP was “roughly the same” as that of other developing countries. “It is the private sector in our country which has to do a lot more.”

Over the next five years, the effort would be to gradually increase the proportion of money spent on R&D and at the same time “create a system of incentives which will induce the private sector to increase their spending on science and technology.”

To a question whether India was competing with China, he said the two countries were at a stage of development where both had to compete and cooperate.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2924905.ece?homepage=true

^^

PM fearing for NGO's ........
Thats the state of our country....

:badnews:

dhandapanik

February 24th, 2012, 10:35 AM

Rs.8000 Cr for Udankudi powerplant will be fully funded by TN govt itself. Earlier it was a partnership with BHEL and TNEB. 32.5Crs were allotted by BHEL and TNEB each and They planned to raise funds through external financial institutions earlier.

Total capacity: 2X800 MW. Once the plant is completed 1600MW will be available completely for TN.

More info from TN govt's press release here (http://www.tn.gov.in/seithi_veliyeedu/pr24Feb12/pr240212_82.pdf)

murlee

February 24th, 2012, 11:15 AM

^^

Acute power crisis prompts Tamil Nadu to take up Rs 8,000 cr project

With Tamil Nadu reeling under acute power shortage, Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa today said the state would take up the Rs 8,000 crore Super Critical Thermal Power Project at Udangudi (Tuticorin district) on its own in the face of continued delay.

Recalling that a joint venture, Udangudi Power Corporation Limited for the 1,600 mw project (2x800mw) between TNEB and BHEL had been formed as early as in December 2008 during DMK regime, Jayalalithaa however said many factors had rendered the coal-fired project a non-starter.

"Therefore, I have decided to implement it as a state government project which will allocate the entire estimate of Rs 8,000 crore as share capital to the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board (TNEB) which will implement it," she said in an official statement here.

The entire 1,600 mw of power will be utilised by Tamil Nadu upon completion of the project and power generation therein, Jayalalithaa said.

As per the original funding pattern, TNEB and BHEL will contribute 26 percent each of the total share capital of Rs 8,000 crore while the rest 48 per cent would be either borne by the private firm implementing the project or sought from a funding agency, she said.

"However, no decision was taken on the private firm implementing the project till May 2011, i.e till the end of DMK regime. The percentage of credit and share capital was also not decided upon while clearance from Union Environment Ministry was also not obtained due to lack of Long Term coal linkage," she said.

These factors, besides "lack of cooperation from BHEL," resulted in the project not being implemented, she said.

As the Union Coal Ministry had not issued orders for allocation of coal for the project, the same would now be imported following clearances from Union Environment Ministry, she said. The project will now earn a Mega Power Status which would result in many tax sops, thus lowering the input costs.

Jayalalithaa had taken up the issue of necessary allocation of coal linkage for the Udangudi project with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his visit to the state in December last.

Tamil Nadu has been suffering from acute power shortage, even as protesters are stalling the commissioning of the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant over safety concerns.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/energy/power/acute-power-crisis-prompts-tamil-nadu-to-take-up-rs-8000-cr-project/articleshow/12018809.cms

murlee

February 24th, 2012, 11:17 AM

8000 cr is a lot of money... Hmm.. Lets see how she manages!

dhandapanik

February 24th, 2012, 11:39 AM

8000 cr is a lot of money... Hmm.. Lets see how she manages!

She can divert some funds that are allotted for freebies to these power projects.

murlee

February 24th, 2012, 11:44 AM

Of course she can.. But the question is, will she?

murlee

February 24th, 2012, 12:28 PM

OPG Power Ventures reports progress

Indian energy specialist OPG Power Ventures (LON:OPG) reports that its flagship power plant has performed well in the period since it announced its interim results on 14 December 2011.

However OPG did note that its results for the current period are likely to be affected by a one-off provision for certain historic costs of £800,000.

The 77 MW Chennai I plant has consistently achieved average load factors of over 90% during the second half of the year.

The Company holds 99% ownership interest in this flagship plant.

77 MW Chennai II - remains ahead of schedule, on-site trials to commence shortly

The Company reports that it has made good progress on this 77 MW project, a replica of Chennai I, with all critical equipment in place and construction and erection activities at an advanced stage.

On-site equipment trials are expected to begin by March 2012 and commissioning activities are expected to commence by the second quarter.

Major construction activities for Chennai IV including boiler erection are underway and at this mid-construction stage, whilst the expected commissioning date is not being changed, the project as a whole is ahead of schedule.

Equipment procurement has now been initiated for Chennai III and construction activities are expected to commence shortly on this project. This plant remains on track for commissioning in 2013.

The Company also indicated that the 300 MW Gujarat project remains on track for 2013 commissioning.

At the time of its interim results, OPG continued to outline certain local objections received in connection with its Gujarat project that were under resolution.

According to the Company's legal advisers, a significant order handed to the Company by the National Green Tribunal on 14 February 2012, upholds the validity of all environmental and other clearances previously obtained on the project.

Accordingly construction has continued and the project remains on track for commissioning in 2013.

http://www.stockmarketwire.com/article/4316015/OPG-Power-Ventures-reports-progress.html

madurakarenda

February 24th, 2012, 12:49 PM

I have come across biomass energy plants for 10 MW and all which uses wastes and "karuvela chedi" wood for firing. Is it a very tough thing to do it in a large scale and generate a few 100 MW? This particular species could be found in a really big number all around TN. This way they could be eradicated to some extent too which would be good for mankind. Could somebody explain?

kannan infratech

February 24th, 2012, 12:52 PM

Each municipality should go for localised Bio Power plant based on Karu Velam Mul chedi as fuel. say 5 MW each.

They have to be strict with power usage & collection of dues.

Leo_r

February 24th, 2012, 07:28 PM

^^

Acute power crisis prompts Tamil Nadu to take up Rs 8,000 cr project

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/energy/power/acute-power-crisis-prompts-tamil-nadu-to-take-up-rs-8000-cr-project/articleshow/12018809.cms

Very nice.

She ,in fact should plan for a 4000 MW Mega Power Plant at this site and provide for all utilities and other infrastructure now itself . Orders for the plant should be released within 3 months for 1600 MW and orders for expansion next year..

Not to BHEL, I prefer IHI,Toshiba. It should be executed as a turnkey project with Japanese Project Management, for Timely completion, before 2016.

Evacuation infrastructure also should be planned and executed ,simaultaneously.

krishnaswamy

February 24th, 2012, 07:40 PM

I think this is the only significant announcement that JJ has made in last 10 months towards infrastructure.
even though she is telling lot of smaller announcements, even after 10 months, they are in paper only..

karkal

February 24th, 2012, 08:16 PM

"Therefore, I have decided to implement it as a state government project which will allocate the entire estimate of Rs 8,000 crore as share capital to the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board (TNEB) which will implement it," she said

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/12018809.cms

(1) As per this, TNEB is not a defunct company as few claim here. I keep seeing TNEB name for future projects.
(2) Rs 8000 cr from state kitty - Has CG decided to allocate our funds ?

satishanu

February 24th, 2012, 08:22 PM

^TNEB is split into 3 companies and one of them is TNEB Ltd. now

http://www.tneb.in/

karkal

February 24th, 2012, 09:12 PM

Minister says three NGOs fuelled K-plant protest

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/south/minister-says-three-ngos-fuelled-k-plant-protest-503

Taking a cue from PM Manmohan Singh, who said in an interview with a leading journal that NGOs funded from the US and Scandinavian countries were trying to stall Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant, minister of state in PMO V. Narayanasamy came out hard on Friday against three NGOs based in Tirunelveli and Thoothukudi, which have been spending 'huge sums of money on this anti-nuclear agitation'.

Mr Narayanasamy told DC, “When we began making inquiries into sources of funding, the NGOs said they collected money from local fishermen.

“But the fisher folk had not gone fishing for months, so where are they in a position to make donations. When we probed the matter further, we found money was being pumped in from the US and Scandinavian nations.”

Licences of three NGOs were cancelled after a home ministry inquiry found them diverting funds meant for social causes, such as helping the physically handicapped and leprosy affected, were being diverted to fuel the anti-nuclear plant protest.

The minister also insisted that the central government continued to enjoy the support of the state government since Tamil Nadu was facing acute power shortage.

kannan infratech

February 25th, 2012, 12:23 PM

TNEB is now split into 3 divisions after so much pressure from the funding agencies like worpld bank, ADB, JAICA etc.

Now TANGEDCO is in charge of last mile distribution and collection. The major problem lies in this division.

Generation & Transmission divisions can now work independent of TANGEDCO and the funding agencies will fund only to these and not TANGEDCO.

TANGEDCO becomes a client and they can buy either from TNEB plants or private plants at market rates / prefixed rates as per the terms & conditions.

TANGEDCO division has been draining the other two divisions of funds and there was none left to develop new plants & have transmission infra.

Though the CM has announced that TN Govt will take over the entire plant (scratching the JV with BHEL) , she needs to bring in funds for the same so that the lenders feel comfortable to pump in the balance money.

If Japanese companies step in as JV partners, it will be better.

Let us wait and see.

deepu051993

February 25th, 2012, 01:32 PM

^^Yep i saw this when i was pay the bills. Wondered still TNEB exists, but when did they split into 3.

kannan infratech

February 25th, 2012, 02:53 PM

Russia supports PM's charge over Kudankulam

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/233447/russia-supports-pms-charge-over-kudankulam.html

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4396611.cms

karkal

February 25th, 2012, 04:07 PM

Only person who can currently resolve this is JJ. But she's awfully silent on this issue.

bonoslack7

February 25th, 2012, 04:18 PM

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/economy/article2932200.ece

Faced with acute power shortage, the Tamil Nadu government today decided to impose two—hour power cuts in Chennai and four hours load shedding in the rest of the state from Monday, besides introducing power holidays for industrial units throughout the State.

From Monday, 40 per cent power cut would be imposed to all industrial and commercial consumers. Power holiday would come into force to all industries from March one, Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Company (TANGEDCO) said in a statement.

Chennai and suburban areas will have loadshedding for two hours and other rural and urban areas will have four hour power cut, it said. At present, Chennai experiences one hour load shedding while other areas face two hours of power cut.

Commercial consumers would face power restriction during peak hours from 6 pm to 10pm.

The new regulation comes in the backdrop of widespread protests against the unscheduled load shedding for long duration in most of parts of the state ranging from six to eight hours.

The authorities attributed the load shedding in view of power demands which stood at 12,500 mw as against the availability of 8,500 mw, leaving a gap of 4,000 mw.

“As the present restrictions and control measures are not sufficient to cover the gap, TANGEDCO is forced to resort to unscheduled load shedding, in order to ensure grid security”, it said.

As per the new schedule, power holidays for industries would be introduced in a staggered manner on different days.

Ramki830

February 25th, 2012, 04:35 PM

Only person who can currently resolve this is JJ. But she's awfully silent on this issue.

Waiting for Sankarankoil bypolls ? Maybe ,MDMK is strong there and Vaiko is known opponent of Koodankulam project.

Ramki830

February 25th, 2012, 04:58 PM

8000 cr is a lot of money... Hmm.. Lets see how she manages!

Given that TNEB is having 38000 crore loss, where is 8K going to come? CG will not give a single rupee, because right now CG is also having lot of financial problem (due to things like oil pool deficit, food security bill etc)

And then what about fuel linkage issue ?

Overall, unless TNEB is made financially viable,nothing can improve . This is harsh truth but still we think that we can go in old mode.

Ramki830

February 25th, 2012, 05:01 PM

She can divert some funds that are allotted for freebies to these power projects.

Cutting free power should be the first step. But again if someone says this truth,they are considered as enemies of tamilrace, enemies of humanity etc etc.

Richard Stallman , a person who is never a friend capitalism once described his "Free Software Movement " like saying the Free in his movement refers to the Free in "Free speech" and not the Free in "Free Beer"

Our People however think the other way and that is the problem.

kannan infratech

February 25th, 2012, 05:13 PM

Actually TN Govt / TNEB need not pool in all 8000 Cr.

Already the land is procured and the value of the land is TN Govt's contribution.

As per the original JV agreement with BHEL, TNEB was supposed to bring only 26% of the total cost which approx amounts to 2000 cr. This will be (2000 cr less land cost) mainly for Balance of Plant cost (apart from gen equipments).

TN Govt should rope in an alternative JV partner so that the Gen equipments can be the share from the JV partner. Netting a Japan co can be easy for JJ.

The balance approx 50% can be funded by lending agencies. They will give now once the DPR is prepared & submitted with latest data.

Ramki830

February 25th, 2012, 05:17 PM

I somehow feel that KKNP is not going to end easily. It is not about JJ or MK being the CM.Both may be very different personalities and enemies (politically) but they both have no reason to oppose KKNP. The problem is the politics of TN. Somehow the PMANE movement has got lot of local support -lot of time has been invested in this movement. Either they are getting some benefit out of project getting scrapped or they are hopping for some windfall benefits by way of some compensation. But thing is SG cannot really do anything without bringing police and enforcing law. And everyone knows what happens. A simple incident is enough and we will have all groups talking of HR Violation, police arajagam this that... and there is always green lobby, HC, ready to question and stop any positive move and tamil groups which think this project is against tamil race. And media seems to be so enthusiastic in blindly supporting PMANE not ready to believe in science and statistics.

So what is solution? Not easy at all. But I think that SG may act in May - when load shedding is at peak and say that there is no alternative. When our media people, our green lobbies, HC judges all face 2-3 hours power cut and more ,they should reflect how we need nuclear power and we can't try to please everyone everytime. That is when i think SG can act and put the PMANE in place. And hopefully 8-12 months after that, we should start getting KKNP power....

Ramki830

February 25th, 2012, 05:56 PM

Japan will be able to help in funding of 8K in JV, but fuel linkage problem will again come.

Infact lot of privately constructed (and some operational) power plants in N.India are now facing fuel linkage problem. Imported coal is going to be costly and get costlier ...

Eitherway this project will take 3+ years to get ready, which is 2015-16. By that time, a lot of UMPPs in AP/Maha/Chattisgarh/Gujarat should be operational and Power Grid Corporation (a PSU) proposed power lines to integrate southern grid with rest of India should hopefully get ready.

So things should be better. But all that again will work if and only if TNEB is financially viable. We cannot continue to have so much losses and so much underpriced power any longer.

truthspeker

February 25th, 2012, 05:58 PM

kongutamizhan

February 25th, 2012, 06:14 PM

The PMANe will be free till they not talking against TN govt or JJ.

:)

satishanu

February 25th, 2012, 07:03 PM

It is not a big problem. Just 10 minute problem only. Who gave them permission to assemble at the near site of the KKNP. For any small event govt imposes 144. But so many months govt not imposing any such punitive measure there. Just remember ramlela midan incident of yoga teacher ramdev. In a short mid-night swap just removed every thing there. The PMANe will be free till they not talking against TN govt or JJ. You will see the result, the moment they talk against JJ or TN Govt.

Good idea. Instigate either JJ or UK against each other and we can see the result.

As Ramki830 says it may be due to Sankarankoil bypolls as well.

murlee

February 25th, 2012, 07:59 PM

Power holiday for industries from March 1

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00934/26_power_934958f.jpg

The Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation (TANGEDCO) on Saturday announced power holiday for industrial units across the State with effect from Thursday (March 1).

In an official release, the TANGEDCO divided the State into six regions – Erode, Chennai South and Tirupattur, Chennai North and Madurai, Coimbatore, Tirunelveli; Tirupur and The Nilgiris, and Tiruchi; Villupuram and Vellore. On the day mentioned for each region, the industrial units located in the region concerned will not be able to draw the supply.

According to TANGEDCO Chairman and Managing Director Rajeev Ranjan, in the absence of exclusive feeders for the industry, it is up to the consumers not to draw power. It is meant to be a voluntary action on the part of the industry.

The Corporation's action is in response to the demand made by some industry bodies for the introduction of the power holiday system, another official points out.

As regards the domestic category, consumers in the rest of the State will have to bear with four hours of load shedding every day. This will come into force from Monday. Regional chief engineers have been given the freedom to decide whether the duration of load shedding in one spell of four hours or in two spells of two hours each, says the official.

A release issued by the TANGEDCO states that effective Monday (February 27), the quantum of power cut to all industrial and commercial consumers will be 40 per cent. Evening peak hour restrictions (6 p.m. to 10 p.m.) will be applied to commercial consumers.

Pointing out that most of the measures were in force in 2008, the Corporation states that the present restrictions and control (R&C) measures are not sufficient to cover the gap of 3,000 megawatt (MW)-4,000 MW. It is for this reason that the TANGEDCO was forced to resort to unscheduled load shedding. This is essential to ensure the security of the State grid, which is, in turn, a constituent of the southern region's grid.

According to the release, the R&C measures will be implemented based on local needs. Wherever needed, they will be modified. Also load shedding measures will be revised depending upon the demand and supply gap. The TANGEDCO plans to ensure uninterrupted power supply to the extent possible to address the problems faced by students, who will be facing examinations.

The regional chief engineers or the respective officers in-charge of the areas will communicate feeder-wise R&C measures/load shedding details. While the electricity demand ranges from 11,500 MW to 12,500 MW, the total availability from internal generation, share from Central Generating Station and other sources is 8,500 MW.

Moreover, there has been no major capacity addition over the past several years and some of the ongoing projects which were expected to be operational this year are yet to be completed. The projects include Mettur Thermal Power Project Stage 3 (600 MW), North Chennai Thermal Power Project Stage 2 (two units of 600 MW each), NTPC Joint Venture Project at Vallur (three units of 500 MW each), Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project (two units of 1,000 MW each) and NLC TS 2 Expansion (two units of 250 MW each).

The corporation estimates that during day, the increase in the duration of load shedding by one hour in Chennai will mean a reduction in power demand for 200 MW; additional two hours in other parts of the State - 800 MW and the system of power holiday, another 800 MW. In the evening peak hours, the extension of restriction to commercial consumers will provide relief of 400 MW more.

At present, the relief from the HT industrial consumers is around 800 MW.

The release adds that the deficit situation is likely to last a few months. With wind generation picking up and power projects becoming functional one after the other in June, it will be possible to relax some of the measures by then.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2932754.ece

saysenthil

February 25th, 2012, 09:50 PM

Kudankulam nuclear power plant set to roll in six weeks

The controversy-hit Kudankulam nuclear power plant in Tamil Nadu is set to be operationalized, with its first 1,000mw unit to be opened soon as the project's safety audits have been completed and local resistance now reduced to a few hundred protesters.

While the report of the expert group set up by the Tamil Nadu government is awaited, the state government is more supportive of the project being commissioned and the Centre's action against NGOs alleged to have diverted foreign funds to fuel the stir is seen a precursor to the plant being activated.

"I am hopeful of moving forward. The expert committees have done their job. Safety issues have been addressed. The plant's first unit can be in working order once we are able to move in the required staff," Srikumar Banerjee, secretary at the department of atomic energy, told ToI.

The head of India's nuclear establishment said it will not be easy to outline a timeframe, but the process of loading fuel can get underway once the atomic energy regulatory board is consulted. "The plant has been idle and so the AERB will lay down guidelines. Once these are followed, the plant will generate power," Banerjee said.

The two units are "99% and 94%" ready, according to the Nuclear Power Corporation of India and it is estimated that the first unit can be up and running within six to eight weeks.

MoS in PMO V Narayanasamy has said that the NGOs that have been banned were channeling funds meant for sectors like health and education for sustaining the anti-nuclear protests.

The prolonged standoff at the plant site had led to a 100 staff being allowed to access the project site in two batches daily. This has made keeping the plant in running order difficult as a nuclear installation cannot be switched off in the manner of a conventional factory. The plant needs to be tended to by 3,000 workers, scientists and technicians to get it going.

But Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's decisive intervention in stating that foreign NGOs insensitive to India's developmental needs were backing the stir and the government's action in banning three groups indicates a resolve to end the stalemate.

The decision follows some quiet exchanges between the centre and state government and spadework in the project area where fishing communities have been leading the agitation. The role of church organizations, perhaps worried that the project might reduce their influence, were active in opposing the plant.

The government has reached out to the church groups and sought to convince them that the plant has some of the best safety equipment available globally. Talks with anti-nuclear groups did not, however, make much headway with officials claiming that the protestors were fundamentally opposed to nuclear power and did not set much store by the government's assurances.

The move against NGOs is seen as a last resort as the UPA has been sensitive about not getting into a confrontation with such groups although it has had a showdown with sections of civil society like the Anna Hazare movement.

It is significant that the Tamil Nadu government, which has been concerned about local reactions, has not contradicted the PM's remarks on the role of foreign funds being diverted from the purposes that they were received. A home ministry probe is understood to have established the diversion of funds.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kudankulam-nuclear-power-plant-set-to-roll-in-six-weeks/articleshow/12037059.cms

^^
:)

Normally I will put up a better Smiley; But not this time..... Hope it really happens...

sanjaysan

February 25th, 2012, 10:56 PM

^^ Thank you Senthil Sir :master: ... gr8 news... We face 4-6hrs power cut in Thiruninrayur ! ..Hope the situation changes soon.... :dance:

satishanu

February 26th, 2012, 01:02 AM

Plug is getting pulled before many people fall into his trap of brain wash..

clip the wings and cripple him..

karkal

February 26th, 2012, 01:48 AM

Kudankulam: Battle breaks out between PM, NGO

http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/top-us/233694.html

venkatm

February 26th, 2012, 03:46 AM

this 6 week timelimit was even mentioned when MMS went to Moscow sometime back. Nothing happened. 6 months seems more likely

kannan infratech

February 26th, 2012, 07:23 AM

Cross Posted from TN AA.

Though the peripheral civil works were only stopped (which is visible outside), all the process related works seem to have been going on inside without interruptions.

As Leo said, big goof up by the plant managers in not inofrming the nearby vilagers of the big noise during the trials.

As per insider info, there is not much delay due to this agitation in KK plant operation.

But all the other plants which were supposed to come with Russian help are totally stalled. KK protests were used to incite the villagers near those locations.

It is better if TN Govt utilises this opportunity by offering to help expansion of KK plant further. TN will get max 50% of the additional power produced. Except the land, all exp by the CG.

We may build a temple for UK if this happens.

Leo_r

February 26th, 2012, 08:11 AM

Power holiday for industries from March 1

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2932754.ece

Finally, a good decision has been made. It was in force during the last rule and immensly helped in managing the shortage..

Well done Mr Raviv Ranjan for convincing JJ.

Now , JJ must post an Officer like Umashankar(now cleaning his table without any work) or another efficient officer to set target and follow up on going projects on a daily basis and get them commissioned before Dec 2012.

We will be assured of,

Mettur 600 MW
North Chennai 1200 MW
Vallur 1500 MW CG share
Neyveli 500 MW CG share
Koodankulam 2000 MW CG share

Total 5800-2000 = 3800 MW for TN Use.

We must keep investing in Power plants for next 15 years to add atleast 1250 MW every year.(10 % growth)

murlee

February 26th, 2012, 08:13 AM

Yes.. I really hope they don't stall further expansions of KK plant..

Also hope that Cheyyur UMPP too starts..

kannan infratech

February 26th, 2012, 08:21 AM

Yes.. I really hope they don't stall further expansions of KK plant..

Also hope that Cheyyur UMPP too starts..

Green Brigade and enviro issues :ohno:

murlee

February 26th, 2012, 08:37 AM

:gaah:

Ramki830

February 26th, 2012, 12:35 PM

Finally, a good decision has been made. It was in force during the last rule and immensly helped in managing the shortage..

Well done Mr Raviv Ranjan for convincing JJ.

Now , JJ must post an Officer like Umashankar(now cleaning his table without any work) or another efficient officer to set target and follow up on going projects on a daily basis and get them commissioned before Dec 2012.

We will be assured of,

Mettur 600 MW
North Chennai 1200 MW
Vallur 1500 MW CG share
Neyveli 500 MW CG share
Koodankulam 2000 MW CG share

Total 5800-2000 = 3800 MW for TN Use.

We must keep investing in Power plants for next 15 years to add atleast 1250 MW every year.(10 % growth)

+1

To add further - Tamilnadu is one of the most urbanised and industrialised states in India. 40% of people living in urban areas and 40-45% work outside agriculture. By 2020, majority of Tamilnadu will live outside villages and work outside farms. With 70 million + population, we have less than 10000 MW capacity, while developed UK (60 million population) has 70000 MW power generation capacity. Our SG should have a LT vision to meet 20000 MW demand by 2020 and 40000 MW by 2030-35 if we can do that, TN will having standard of living similar to SE Asian nations by 2030-35. But do we even have time to think of such things?

Ramki830

February 26th, 2012, 12:47 PM

I would opine that the host of projects (KKNP, Vallur, North Madras, Mettur etc) will help us till 2013-14...

Meanwhile, I believe a UMPP is coming up in AP and some thermal capacity added in AP/Kar of which we should get some share, that should help us by 2013-14..

The real game changer however is elsewhere. Both Gujarat and Chattisgarh are aggressively investing in new power projects (20000 MW each) in next 5 years and want to become power exporting states. And PowerGrid Corporation (a listed PSU) is to invest huge amount in transmission corridors btw these states and Southern Grid (this is in 2012-17 five year plan). So by 2016 and beyond we will get lot of power from these places...

But all of this can work well only if TNEB is financially sound and able to pay money to the power producers. So i think 2012 should be the worst year and after that we should have less and less power cuts at same time, we should be ready to pay more and more for power from this year onward. And it makes perfect sense too.

Ramki830

February 26th, 2012, 12:50 PM

Green Brigade and enviro issues :ohno:

If Cheyyar is also a problem, why don't we look at Mannargudi where lot of underground lignite is discovered? I think NLC has a pilot project to examine underground gassification of lignite to generate power. I remember reading that Germany has some working projects along those lines.

TN is deficient in all energy resources but for lignite. But except NLC, we have not done anything about it. Also NLC itself was a gift of Kamarajar era. We are all still living on what was done in past and our policy makers simply don't seem to think about next generation at all.

truthspeker

February 26th, 2012, 01:54 PM

Power holiday for industries from March 1

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00934/26_power_934958f.jpg

What about Costal districts? Particularly Toothukudi.

saysenthil

February 26th, 2012, 06:07 PM

CII welcomes TN power management initiative

The Confederation of Indian Industry has welcomed the restriction and control measures by the Tamil Nadu Government to manage the power situation.

According to a press release from the CII the decision including 40 per cent power cut to all industrial and commercial consumers, two hours load shedding in Chennai and suburbs, four hours load shedding in other rural and urban areas, evening peak hour restriction for commercial consumers and power holiday to all industries will help prevent unscheduled power cuts and support the Industry to plan in a better way.

This will also lead to fair and equitable distribution of power and result in alleviating the current pressure on Industries and the public while industries can continue their business though there will be power cut.

The CII assured Industry support to the Government on this decision and full cooperation. CII has also urged industry members to adhere to the power holidays to ensure successful implementation, the release said. (EOM)

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/economy/article2935311.ece?homepage=true&ref=wl_home

saysenthil

February 26th, 2012, 06:11 PM

'KNPP will start functioning in a fortnight'

The first unit of the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant will start functioning in 14 days and the Union government is taking steps to commence power production with cooperation of the Tamil Nadu government, Union Minister of State in the PMO V Narayanasamy said on Sunday.

"Several rounds of safety inspections have revealed that the Plant is very safe and people will not be affected at all.

Former President Dr Abdul Kalam had also explained his views about the state-of-the-art safety aspects in the Plant. The expert committee appointed by the Tamil Nadu government had also completed its duty," he said.

The Union government was taking steps to commence power production in the Plant with the cooperation of the state government, he told reporters.

Intelligence inputs and inquiries by the Union Home Ministry had revealed that certain NGOs were diverting foreign funds for the anti-nuclear campaign in Koodankulam, he said.

The NGOs in question had received funds for social services such as helping the physically disabled and eradication of leprosy and had instead diverted them to anti-Koodankulam protests, he said. "The Government has initiated legal action against those NGOs and is also probing if more NGOs are diverting funds for the protests," he said.

Narayanasamy had said yesterday that licences of three NGOs active in the Koodankulam region have been cancelled after a Home Ministry inquiry found they were using funds meant for social causes to fuel the anti-nuclear protests.

The minister also said the Government was incurring a loss of Rs 750 crore per month due to the delay in the Plant becoming functional.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/tamil-nadu/knpp-will-start-functioning-in-a-fortnight_760793.html

:banana:

Arul Murugan

February 27th, 2012, 12:11 PM

^^

14days..:lol:

let us forget kknp for next 1yr!!

==================================================

We will be assured of,

Mettur 600 MW
North Chennai 1200 MW
Vallur 1500 MW CG share
Neyveli 500 MW CG share
Koodankulam 2000 MW CG share

Total 5800-2000 = 3800 MW for TN Use

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Vallur is 50:50 JV b/w TN SG and CG.. even then 3000MW would be available for the state by Dec 2012 or atleast by June 2013.

Kavalier

February 27th, 2012, 12:37 PM

Anniyan

February 27th, 2012, 01:04 PM

Anti-nuclear activist questions Russian ambassador's comment against protests

Anti nuclear activist S. P. Udayakumar on Sunday questioned the right of the Russian ambassador Alexander M. Kadakin to comment against the anti-nuclear movement.

Udayakumar while talking to mediapersons at an anti-nuclear conference here said no one had the right to comment over India's internal matter.

"I would like to point out to the people of India that the Russian ambassador is interfering in our internal affairs. This is none of his business. He should worry about his diplomatic affairs, not our political and socio-economic issues. I condemn this Russian ambassador and he should never speak anything more about our issues," said Udayakumar.

"We have not been sleeping. We have been very wakeful. That is why we are able to find out all these issues. This ambassador, why can't we say something about liability? Why is he hiding behind this secret inter-governmental agreement?" he added.

Kadakin had on Saturday said that the activists had been 'sleeping' for six whole months regarding the issue before raising their voices.

The anti-nuclear activist further said that the government must respect the demand of the Indian people and scrap the nuclear plant.

"So they have been saying since 2005 that they are going to commission, they are going to produce electricity, but nothing has happened. Now that eighty million Tamil people are opposing this project, Department of Atomic Energy should learn how to respect Indian people. They should not be working for foreign companies and foreign governments. This is our country and our needs, and our demands must be honoured," said Udayakumar.

Reacting to the comment made by Minister of State in Prime Minister's Office V Narayanswamy, Udayakumar said: "Now you should ask this to minister Narayanswamy, who has not named the three NGOs that have been closed down. He has not given any information about how much money was transferred to whose account, who received that money, what happened to that money, no information. I have taken the issue seriously and we have approached the Madras High Court and will proceed against the minister."

Narayanswamy had earlier said that foreign currency accounts of three NGOs spending money on the anti-nuclear movement have been suspended adding further fuel to the Kundankulam nuclear plant row.

A joint collaboration project between India and Russia, the Kundankulam nuclear power project envisaged to build two 1,000 MW VVER type reactors by the end of December last year.

However, in the wake of the Fukushima incident last year, several nuclear projects across India, such as the one at Jaitapur in Maharashtra, have run into rough weather as protesting residents and activists argue that such plants could adversely affect the environment. (ANI)
http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2012/02/26/270975-Anti-nuclear-activist-questions-Russian-ambassador-s-comment-against-protests.html

saysenthil

February 27th, 2012, 02:40 PM

^^

14days..:lol:

let us forget kknp for next 1yr!!

^^

I too believe in what you have said.....

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First unit of Kudankulam NPS in India to be started within six-eight weeks

The launching of the main project of Russian-Indian cooperation in the nuclear power industry – the Kudankulam nuclear power station, located in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, can take place already within six-eight weeks, reported on Sunday the Times of India newspaper, referring to the Indian Nuclear Power Corporation.

“Two power units are ready for 99 percent and 94 percent. The first power set can be put into operation within six-eight weeks,” the newspaper quotes a source at the corporation.

According to data of the source, the commissions of the central government and of the authorities of the state on assessing the project’s security completed their work, and the number of local residents, protesting the construction of the nuclear plant, also dropped down.

The question on Russian-Indian cooperation in the nuclear power industry was among the main at the bilateral consultations between the two foreign ministries, held here on Thursday.

“The Indian side expressed its interest in developing further cooperation with Russia in the nuclear energy in compliance with the road map, providing for serial construction of nuclear power sets up to 14-16 units,” said Russian First Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Denisov by the results of consultations.

“The Indian side also promised to pinpoint another ground in the near future, where construction of a nuclear power station will be launched.”

Following actions by opponents of nuclear power industry last September, the commissioning of the Kudankulam power plant was put off by two months. Protests resumed in mid-October, and demonstrators sealed off the road leading to the station, blocking approaches to the project for engineers and builders.

The construction of the station is conducted with assistance from the Atomstroiexport Company and is based on the agreement between the former Soviet Union and the Indian Republic, signed in November 1988, on cooperation in peaceful development of the nuclear power industry.

The construction was launched in November 2001 after signing the General Agreement on construction of the Kudankulam nuclear power station and the Memorandum on the main principles of cooperation and mutual obligations. The Russian side took an obligation to ensure technical support for the project, deliveries of equipment and materials as well as training of the station’s Indian personnel.

http://indrus.in/articles/2012/02/27/first_unit_of_kudankulam_nps_in_india_to_be_started_within_six-eight_14972.html

kannan infratech

February 27th, 2012, 02:46 PM

@ KK :
SG actions - only after Sankaran Koil elections.
The normal course of sequence will be 1 to 2 months.

We can expect on Tamil New Year Day - the Synchronisation with National grid.:)

joefernando

February 27th, 2012, 02:53 PM

Udangudi Power project may not need fresh environment assessment

Chennai: The Tamil Nadu government's decision to have the state electricity board implement the 1,600 MW power project at Udangudi in Tuticorin district may not necessitate another environment impact assessment (EIA) and public hearing, said industry officials.

Senior industry officials said that the Udangudi power project may not require fresh EIA and public hearing just because the source of coal -- imported as against the earlier plan of domestic coal -- is sought to be changed and the project is to be implemented by another organisation.

"A fresh EIA and public hearing is required if there is a change in coal source, equipment specifications (changes in capacity, technology) and project site. A change in shareholders does not warrant a fresh EIA and public hearing," a senior industry official not wanting to be named said.

According to him if the coal is of superior quality (imported coal is of better quality than Indian coal) than what was planned earlier then permission from the expert committee in the Ministry of Environment and Forests is sufficient.

There may not be any change in the project location as the land title for the project is still in the process of being registered in the name of Udangudi Power Corporation.

However, tying a mega power project to the vagaries of imported coal is a risk due to pricing and supply issues, power sector analysts told IANS.

Udangudi Power is a joint venture between Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd (BHEL) and Tamil Nadu Electricity Board (TNEB) formed to implement the power project.

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J. Jayalalithaa took the industry by surprise announcing the cancellation of the joint venture between TNEB and BHEL, citing lack of progress in the Rs.8,000 crore Udangudi power project.

The state government would fully fund the project, she said, adding that it would be executed by TNEB as a state project with imported coal as it is yet to get the domestic coal linkage and environmental clearance. The public hearing after preparing the EIA was held in 2009.

Meanwhile, the new development will be discussed at the next board meeting of Udangudi Power slated sometime in March, officials said.

timesofindia.com

SVG

February 27th, 2012, 03:17 PM

I am not sure if this was posted anywhere in this tread... The article is a bit old, but still relevant for the topic.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-06-01/news/29608610_1_power-sector-power-companies-power-generation

This talks about poor infrastructure in mining / distribution of coal and lack of money by the state govts., to buy the power.

A different perspective on things. So, just new projects might not help.

The entire power infrastructure right from mining till the distribution to the end customer needs improvement.

The recent announcement that the new Tuticorin power plant will be fully owned by TN Govt., is a step in the right direction.

murlee

February 27th, 2012, 07:03 PM

Tamil Nadu 'power'less; power shortage hurting biz

http://www.moneycontrol.com/video/cnbc-tv18-comments/tamil-nadu-powerless-power-shortage-hurting-biz_674035.html?utm_source=Article_Vid

krishnaswamy

February 27th, 2012, 08:01 PM

We will be assured of,
Mettur 600 MW
North Chennai 1200 MW
Vallur 1500 MW CG share
Neyveli 500 MW CG share
Koodankulam 2000 MW CG share
Total 5800-2000 = 3800 MW for TN Use
Arul,
Also, if there is any chance of increase in production from Renewable energy sources like Wind, Solar before December 2012 or Apr 2013?
is Vallur plant is so big, that even TN will get share of 1500 MW?

truthspeker

February 28th, 2012, 10:35 AM

Kudankulam: The Empire strikes back!

The controversy swirling around the Kudankulam nuclear power plant has become the stuff of seasoned ‘Russia hands’ in the community of American publicists and analysts. Almost as a riposte to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s allegation – that sources in the US are funding the agitation in India against Kalpakkam NPP — John Daly of Johns Hopkins University has joined issue, asserting that the protestors at Kudankulam are actually agitating against a duplicitous Indian government.
Daly doesn’t single out our PM for direct reference but the implication is that the PM is obfuscating the real issue. Curiously, Daly is not a specialist on India but is trained on Russian studies. He is a seasoned, prolific writer on Russia and his writings are imbued with the spirit of the Cold War (although the Soviet Union is no more).
I’ve relied on him over the years as a steady publicist of the contemporary American perspectives and as a dependable polemist of the ups and downs of US-Russia relationship (which has, by the way, run into serious difficulty in the recent months after the brief respite of Barack Obama’s ‘reset’), from Washington’s viewpoint of the polemics.
Daly alleges that the Indian authorities are patently dishonest about the nuclear safety standards in the country and employees of Kalpakkam nuclear centre died of bone cancer due to excessive radiation but GOI did a cover-up until someone ferreted out the info via RTI [Right to Information]. Daly also alleges that the Manmohan Singh government is pressing ahead with its robust programme to set up nuclear power plants with scant regard for safety standards.
In an article titled The darker Reality of India’s Nuclear Power Goals, Daly takes the Manmohan Singh government to task. In conclusion, Daly notes approvingly that “opposition to India’s nuclear power programme is growing, most notably at Kudankulam.” He writes:
“Accordingly, given the projected scope of India’s proposed nuclear future, the country [India] may well prove to be either the salvation or graveyard of nuclear power worldwide. And one can only wonder what other reports [than on Kalpakkam] the DAE [Department of Atomic Energy in Delhi] is sitting on. While no doubt all Indians without electricity would like a light bulb, its appeal is considerably limited if it is hanging over one’s hospital bed from now as one slowly expires from radiation-induced cancer. Accordingly, the fishermen protesting the Kudankulam NPP could be doing their fellow countrymen a greater service than they currently realize.”
By the way, Daly is an old associate of Frederick Starr, who is the doyen of the ‘great game’ in Central Asia aimed at ‘containing’ Russia. The New Silk Road project, which the Barack Obama administration is currently pushing — and India is apparently enthusiastically endorsing — is, ironically enough, Starr’s original brainwave aimed at ‘liberating’ the Central Asian states from the orbit of Russian influence. (Another glaring instance of the ‘ad-hocism’ of India’s regional polices, bereft of long-term thinking.)
Daly it was, incidentally, who founded the journal known as The Central Asia-Caucasus Analyst, which all keen observers of the politics of Russia’s ‘near abroad’ is a diligent flag carrier of the US’ public diplomacy on Russia and Central Asia.
It’s a small world, isn’t it? PM Manmohan Singh apparently treaded on some very sensitive turf. The guarded remarks by the US ambassador to India Peter Burleigh were carefully-worded and probably betrayed the discomfiture felt in Washington that PM Manmohan Singh somehow got wind of info that he wasn’t supposed to know.

Interestingly, could it be that — as Daly hinted — there are skeletons in the DAE cupboard regarding ‘nuclear accidents’ and so on — which the Americans would know but the Indian public wouldn’t? Daly stops just short of suggesting that there could be incriminating materials about the functioning of the Indian nuclear establishment in the possession of the Americans.
Daly implies that the ‘international community’ would have a say on India’s nuclear safety standards. Call it ‘nuclear blackmail’ or what you will, but Daly’s attack is a brilliant piece of digression, which of course is the best form of counter-attack.
Yet, he dances around the key issue: Did someone in America actually finance the agitation in Kudankulam? If there is such nexus, did the USG know about it? Of course, Burleigh is hopefully ascertaining the ‘facts’ for us from his Hqs.
The thrust of Daly’s argument is that the Manmohan Singh government should freeze the Kudankulam NPP, leave alone go ahead and negotiate more contracts with the Russian companies for Kudankulam 3 and 4.
Of course, he doesn’t link all this with the prevailing tragi-comic situation that under the framework of the US-India nuclear deal of 2008, the American nuclear nuclear companies are yet to secure any lucrative business in selling reactors to India, while Russia and India are cruising along as long-lost partners. Sour grapes? Read Daly here.

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2012/02/27/kudankulam-the-empire-strikes-back/

saysenthil

February 28th, 2012, 01:39 PM

Tamil Nadu panel submits report on Kudankulam nuclear plant

The four-member committee set up by Tamil Nadu government on the safety aspects of Kudankulam nuclear power plant (KNPP) on Tuesday submitted its report to Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa amid indication that it has given a clean chit to the controversial project stalled by protests.

Committee convenor Prof S Iniyan handed over the report to Jayalalithaa but declined to divulge details, saying the government would take follow up action.

"As I said earlier", Iniyan said when asked about the committee's findings on safety aspects.

After visiting the site and talking to the anti-KNPP protesters recently, Iniyan had said the plant was equipped to deal with any situation such as earthquakes and tsunami strikes and its third generation reactors would shut down automatically in case of any problem.

The team, which also includes former atomic energy commission chairman MR Srinivasan, had reviewed the safety measures during its inspection of the plant on February 18 and met members of the anti-KNPP struggle committee led by SP Udayakumar the next day.

"Let the government take a cool view on the report," Srinivasan said.

He had earlier said the state-of-the-art safety features incorporated in the KNPP reactors had made it a ‘Third Generation Plus' reactor.

The committee, set up by Jayalalithaa to break the impasse caused by the over five month long protests, was given two tasks — reviewing safety features and allaying concerns of the local people.

The commissioning of the first reactor of the Indo-Russian joint venture, originally scheduled for December last, has been delayed following the continuing protests by the locals who have raised safety concerns.

Talks initiated both by the Central and state governments with the agitators had failed to break the deadlock.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_tamil-nadu-panel-submits-report-on-kudankulam-nuclear-plant_1656214

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Panel says Kudankulam nuclear power plant safe

An expert panel, headed by former Atomic Energy Commission chairman M R Srinivasan, on Tuesday submitted its report on the Kudankulam nuclear power plant to Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa.

According to reports, the expert panel has said in its report that the nuclear power plant is quite safe.

The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister has so far remained silent on the Kudankulam issue. However, sources in New Delhi are now hoping that she will break her silence post the report.

This comes following Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s statement that those protesting against the nuclear plant are funded by the US. However the US has denied any such involvement, with the country’s ambassador to India saying that they have no objection to the nuclear plant.

Russia has also backed India over the issue.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kudankulam-panel-submits-report-to-jayalalithaa/234529-3.html

:cheers:

^^

Now everything is in ALL POWERFUL AMMA'S HAND!!

What is she going to do??

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kudankulam-panel-submits-report-to-jayalalithaa/234529-3.html

Ramki830

February 28th, 2012, 03:49 PM

Yesterday there was a rally in chennai in opposing KKNP. PMK, MDMK and several other parties were participating in it, it seems the Anti-KNPP groups haven't given up yet.

I was surprised to see such a rally being held in Chennai a day before the start of the 2 hour power cut.

Read in newspaper that the big guys (who often love to be called champions of tamil race) - Ramadoss, Vaiko, Thiruma did not attend the meeting.

That gives a "hint" of what will happen to KKNP (after Mar 23?)

Ramki830

February 28th, 2012, 03:55 PM

Arul,
Also, if there is any chance of increase in production from Renewable energy sources like Wind, Solar before December 2012 or Apr 2013?
is Vallur plant is so big, that even TN will get share of 1500 MW?

Wind Power has proven to be an utterly unreliable and seasonal source of power. The actual delivered power is only a fraction of rated power capacity. And most of this power is generated during monsoon months (and not during summer when we have peak demand)

As far as solar, to install 1000 MW of solar, we would need over 15000 crores, but running cost of solar power is near zero (and solar is most reliable power source). Considering current financial state of TNEB, forget any meaningful addition of solar capacity (We want free TV and free power to see mega serials free of cost in SUN TV and we don't want not free power from Sun).

On a optimistic note, a couple of thermal power plants are coming up in AP and will go live by 2013 end and TN will get a share of them, i think that will help things beyond next one year..

karkal

February 28th, 2012, 07:54 PM

X posting from India Power Thread

Rs 3 lakh cr lined up for nuclear power projects

Source: http://www.mydigitalfc.com/news/rs-3-lakh-cr-lined-nuclear-power-projects-696

N.kumar

February 29th, 2012, 08:23 AM

Even as their leaders prepare to meet the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa later today, the protestors against the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant (KKNPP) have come under tremendous pressure from various quarters.

Leading the pack for the multi-pronged attack are the central and state governments. Providing ground cover is Congress, BJP and other leading political parties; industries and traders; farmers; and even the general public who are reeling under severe power outages.

The central government, through the PMO, the home ministry and its atomic energy establishment, is engaged in a strategy that seeks to malign and weaken the movement while inducing an initially stubborn Jayalalithaa government. The central government has deployed a unique carrot and stick strategy: carrot for the state government and stick for PMANE (People’s Movement Against Nuclear Energy).

The carrot for the state government was brandished by the minister and Kudankulam pointman in the PMO V Narayanasamy when he said yesterday that the centre was willing to give all the 1000 MW of power from the first unit of the KKNPP to the state.

Politically, this is an irresistible carrot for Jayalalithaa. Thousand megawatts is equivalent to one fourth of the power that she needs to address the acute shortage that the state is facing now. The original allocation from the plant to the state was only 50 percent or 500 MW. Now the centre is asking the state to take it all.

Whether it is out of desperation or a wily ploy to get ahead, the offer definitely reeks of a plan.

And the stick? It is for the bad boy – the PMANE.

So far, the stick was soft – the centre tried to malign and discredit the movement. The PMO and the home ministry attributed motives and insinuated trans-national interests. When the PMANE was not ready to mend its ways, it changed the stick. Licenses of suspected NGOs cancelled, investigations ordered into their activities and a German national traced and deported. The investigation also comes in the wake of increasing demand for transparency of overseas remittances to Christian NGOs in Tamil Nadu, particularly in the southern coastal belt.

The story of trans-national conspiracy, or involvement of the West, has found a suitable symbol in a scruffy German national who was arrested by the state police on instructions from the central intelligence agencies. The state police has said they suspected that he was working for “someone” and that he had no need to camp in Nagercoil, close to the Kudankulam plant.

Information has also been leaked out that he had been in touch with SP Udayakumar, the coordinator of PMANE, and one of his associates.

Apparently, he participated in the anti-KKNPP agitations, provided advice to the protestors, and took photographs of the plant. He was reportedly on central surveillance since 2010.

Besides the carrot and stick policy, the centre had also opened other fronts of attack, mainly to mobilise favourable public opinion and counter PMANE’s campaign. The principal scientific advisor to the union government and a former atomic energy commission chairman, R Chidambaram was one of the main voices in this. He said besides providing power to four million people in the state, it will transform the economy of the coastal village of Kudankulam.

“Tarapore was a sleepy fishing village before the atomic power plant came up, but now it is a booming town. The same will happen to Kudankulam,” he said. The PR initiatives of the nuclear establishment had begun in the state a while ago with radio and TV spots. Leading scientists and educational institutions participated in campaigns and debates around atomic energy, safety, KKNPP and its economic benefits.

The report of the state expert panel submitted to Jayalalithaa yesterday is also likely to strengthen the PR campaign. The panel will most likely give a clean chit to the plant. The statement of MR Srinivasan, the head of the panel, that the plant was world class and can even withstand an earthquake or Tsunami (clearly targetted at naysayers post-Fukushima) was a certain give away. Although he didn’t divulge the details of the report, he said he stood by what he said initially: that the plant is safe and world-class.

The change in the stand of the state government during the last one month is also hard to ignore. Constitution of the state panel with MR Srinivasan as its head, investigation into the NGO links as well as the arrest and deportation of the German national are clear indications of the state government’s changing stand.

On the ground, political parties, most importantly the Congress and the BJP, provided considerable artillery support to the KKNPP lobby. The state unit of the Congress was vociferous and organised public meetings and rallies across the state asking for an early commissioning of the plant. The BJP and its associates targetted PMANE and attributed motives to its interests. The left parties and DMK also supported the plant. Power-starved and angry industries and farmers came to the streets as well.

All the attention will be on Udayakumar today when he comes out of the state secretariat after his meeting with Jayalalithaa. His body language and choice of words, if he chooses to speak to the waiting media, will indicate which way the agitation will move.

If it is a collision course, it is certainly going to be bitter – probably ending up in a law and order situation.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/centres-kudankulam-ploy-carrot-for-state-stick-for-pmane-228998.html

N.kumar

February 29th, 2012, 09:54 AM

Church role in Kudankulam protests merits wider probe

The crackdown on four non-governmental organisations on the charge that they diverted foreign funds intended for social development activities to the anti-nuclear protests in Kudankulam has focussed the spotlight on the activities of church-based NGOs in southern Tamil Nadu.

On Tuesday, the Union Home Secretary announced that the bank accounts of four NGOs had been frozen after it was found that they had been diverting funds received from overseas donors to the anti-nuclear protests. Two of the cases have been registered by the CBI, and the two others by the Crime Branch of the Tamil Nadu police.

The crackdown comes barely days after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh went public with the charge that US non-governmental organisations were behind the agitation, which has stalled work on the nuclear plant in power-starved Tamil Nadu.

The 'hand of God' is intervening in the Kudankulam project. IBN-Live screengrab
Although Singh did not mention the faith-based affiliation of these NGOs, it is an open secret that church groups based in the coastal districts of Tamil Nadu, which receive crores of rupees in donations from overseas, have been active in backing the anti-nuclear protest.

The NGOs that are at the centre of the latest action haven’t been named, but they are believed to be those associated with Bishop Yvon Ambroise, the Tuticorin church leader, who has been active in mobilising popular support for the protests at Kudankulam.

Two of the NGOs associated with Ambroise – the Tuticorin Diocese Association (TDA) and the Tuticorin Multipurpose Social Service Society (TMSSS) – have been working in the area of fishermen’s livelihood, and their support for the anti-nuclear agitation draws on the fears to the fisherfolks’ livelihood from the nuclear power plant.

The church-based NGOs along the southern coast of Tamil Nadu have done exemplary work to restore the livelihood of fishermen in the wake of the December 2004 tsunami, which devastated large areas of South East Asia and southern India.

But even there, their attempts to “harvest souls” and proselytise aid beneficiaries at a time of supreme grief came in for criticism.

And although similar attempts at proselytisation of tsunami victims in Indonesia drew protests from the government there, the church groups received no such pushback from Indian authorities.

In fact, even in Kudankulam, although the protest against the nuclear project began as a secular movement intended to raise awareness about the hazards of nuclear plants, the agitation has in recent months been appropriated by the church.

The role of the church in the Dravidian politics of southern India has been clinically analysed by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravida Neelakandan in their book Breaking India: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines.

Malhotra, an IT entrepreneur and founder of the Infitinity Foundation, and Neelakandan, a social science researcher who has worked with an NGO in Tamil Nadu, argue that US and European churches, in particular, are working actively to foster separatist tendencies among the Dravidian and Dalit communities on the basis of identity.

The authors trace the money trail from Western churches and their affiliates – which are on the surface well-intended, being offered for “education” and “empowerment” and “leadership training”. But they effectively go to fund programmes that are intended to instigate a sense of anomie that persuades the youth, in particular, to renounce their Indian identity.

The Dravidian-Christian project, the authors argue, is founded on the misappropriation and misrepresentation of Tamil culture and literature in order to create an ‘identity vacuum’ that can then be filled by the Christian missionary agenda.One part of that agenda is to implicate India in human rights abuses and to line it up in front of international forums as an offender.

The Dravidian identity, writes Malhotra, is now being increasingly Christianised. “A new religion called ‘Dravidian Christianity’ has been invented through a sudden upsurge of writings designed to ‘discover’ the existence of quasi-Christianity in Tamil history prior to the coming of the ‘Aryan’ Brahmins. The project is to co-opt Tamil culture, language and literature and systematically cleanse them of Hinduism. Christian interpretations and substitutes are being injected into the most cherished symbols, artifacts and literary works of Tamil Hindu culture.”

The notion of ‘Dravidian Christianity’, Malhotra points out, has penetrated high places. For instance, Marvin Olasky, an adviser to President George W. Bush, declared that “the two major denominations of Hinduism — Vishnu-followers and Shiva-followers — arose not from early Hinduism but from early Christian churches probably planted by the apostle Thomas in India from AD 52 to 68.” Olasky goes on to explain to his American readers how Christianity brought many key notions into Hinduism.

For far too long, politicians in Tamil Nadu have been wary of speaking out against the activities of church groups in the State for fear of losing out on a well-entrenched voter base. To the extent that the church’s encroachment in the arena of the politics of nuclear energy has compelled even Manmohan Singh to speak out, it opens up the space for a broader investigation of the church’s activities in southern Tamil Nadu (and indeed elsewhere in India)

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/church-role-in-kudankulam-protests-merits-wider-probe-228719.html

saysenthil

February 29th, 2012, 10:29 AM

Baldev Raj vouches for safety of Kudankulam plant

Veteran scientist and director of India's Kalpakkam nuclear project, Dr. Baldev Raj, has vouched for the safety of the controversial Kudankulam plant in Tamil Nadu by calling it 'one of the world's safest reactors.'

"If you make a list, the Kudankulam nuclear plant will certainly be among one of the most advanced and safest reactors in the world today. We have implemented all provisions that we feel are required to prevent any accident or disaster in the plant. We have also revised and revisited the existing norms after the Fukushima disaster in Japan. All this has been done by specially-appointed committees and the regulatory body," Raj told media here after a seminar.

Over the last few months, Kudankulam has been at the epicentre of a wave of heated protests, with environmental activists and agitators voicing their ire at the Central Government's apathy towards the dangers posed by the plant.

Despite repeated assurances, irate locals have stepped up their protests in the past few weeks, aiming to ratchet up pressure on the government to shutdown the Kudankulam project, fearing a possible recurrence of the recent disaster witnessed in the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan.

Raj also appealed to activists to visit other projects such as Kalpakkam to see whether any harm had been caused to the people living there.

"We urge people agitating against the Kudankulam plant and the Jaitapur project to come to the nuclear facilities operating in Kalpakkam, Tarapur and Kaiga, and tell us what safety provision have we not followed there. Are the people living and working in and around these nuclear plants not happy and satisfied? Have their lives not improved? Are they suffering? They have only gained," said Raj.

Raj further said that there is an urgent need for India to tap nuclear power to meet its growing energy requirements.

"See, it is not possible to generate much energy without nuclear power. The power generated by solar or wind energy projects, is one megawatt, two megawatt, five megawatt. However, in the case of nuclear energy, with even six reactors, nearly 6000 megawatt power can be generated. In Jaitapur, one reactor alone produces 1250 megawatt energy. Six reactors of Jaitapur can produce 7500 megawatt power. You see the difference? This country needs a lot of power, if it wishes to grow at 8 percent. In many places of India, there is still no electricity. We have to provide energy in those areas. However, all this must go hand in hand with safety," said Raj.

India has a total installed power generation capacity of 164 gigawatts (GW) and aims to raise it to 187 GW by the end of March 2012.

There are 20 reactors in operation at six power plants, generating over 4,000 megawatts of electricity, while five other plants are under construction.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/12080829.cms

saysenthil

February 29th, 2012, 11:38 AM

வல்லுநர் குழு அறிக்கை ஒருதலைபட்சமானது; கூடங்குளத்துக்கு ஜெயலலிதா வர வேண்டும் - உதயகுமார்

தமிழக அரசு நிமித்த இனியன் தலைமையிலான வல்லுநர் குழுவின் அறிக்கை ஒருதலைபட்சமானது என்று குற்றம்சாற்றிய அணுஉலை போராட்டக்குழு அமைப்பளர் உதயகுமார், கூடங்குளம் பகுதியை முதலமைச்சர் ஜெயலலிதா நேரில் பார்வையிடும் என்றார்.

சென்னை தலைமச் செயலகத்தில் முதல்வர் ஜெயலலிதாவை சந்தித்த பின்னர் செய்தியாளர்களிடம் பேசியபோது இவ்வாறு அவர் தெரிவித்தார்.

கூடங்குளம் மக்களை வல்லுநர் குழு சந்திக்காமல் சென்று விட்டது என்று முதல்வரிடம் கூறியதாக உதயகுமார் தெரிவித்தார்.

முதலமைச்சருடனான சந்திப்பு எங்களுக்கு முழு நம்பிக்கை உள்ளது என்றும் அவர் கூறினார்.

வெளிநாட்டு தொண்டு நிறுவனத்திடம் இருந்தோ இந்திய தொண்டு நிறுவனத்திடம் இருந்தோ நாங்கள் எந்த பணமும் வாங்கவில்லை என்று உதயகுமார் மறுத்தார்.

http://tamil.webdunia.com/newsworld/news/tnnews/1202/29/1120229042_1.htm

^^

Whats AMMA thinking??? :?

TShyam

February 29th, 2012, 12:04 PM

PMO V Narayanasamy when he said yesterday that the centre was willing to give all the 1000 MW of power from the first unit of the KKNPP to the state.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/centres-kudankulam-ploy-carrot-for-state-stick-for-pmane-228998.html

appaadaa

saysenthil

February 29th, 2012, 12:52 PM

- deleted it -

- posted in aratai arangam thread -

kannan infratech

February 29th, 2012, 02:42 PM

A Long Post on the Conversation with Mr. Mani Shankar Iyer - Former Petroleum & Energy Minister

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=89000789&postcount=1558

Arul Murugan

February 29th, 2012, 03:13 PM

New 600MW power plant construction work is nearing completion and getting ready for commissioning

http://tm.dinakaran.com/pdf/2012/02/29/20120229a_002105012.jpg

DKN

kannan infratech

February 29th, 2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by N.kumar
PMO V Narayanasamy when he said yesterday that the centre was willing to give all the 1000 MW of power from the first unit of the KKNPP to the state.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/centr...ne-228998.html

Deal

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 05:19 PM

A Long Post on the Conversation with Mr. Mani Shankar Iyer - Former Petroleum & Energy Minister

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=89000789&postcount=1558

Excellent read! TFS Kannan Sir :cheers:

Though I don't agree with his socialistic ideas, I have great respect for Mani Shankar Aiyar for his acumen and boldness and awesome communication skills!

Anniyan

February 29th, 2012, 05:48 PM

kannan infratech

February 29th, 2012, 06:04 PM

Why not give all the 2000MW to TN, or 1500MW for TN and 500MW for Kerala.

Practically, Central Pool Account Power will be given like that only.

TN & Kerala may get all 100% from KK plant. Karnataka & AP quota may be adjusted against the KL & TN quota from say Ramagundam or the like.

Being a central govt funded project, the ruling party at the CG will have the say on the allotment at the time of agreement.

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 06:06 PM

Why can't each state have their own nuclear plants, so they can learn to

(1) take ownership of the plant
(2) learn to handle people's oposition
(3) learn to store nuclear waste

Instead of just wanting to have

(1) R&D centers for nuclear technology
(2) Gains of electricity

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 06:15 PM

^^ Well.. I think most of the bigger states already have/under planning nuclear plants..

Raj, UP, TN, Maha, Karnataka, Guj already have nuke plants..

AP is planning to build one at Kovvada and is in process..

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 06:28 PM

My point was why do CG need to have this complicated power sharing formula between states. If they put plants in each state and allow them to use the electricity produced there, you'll see more participation from most states as it will be an incentive.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 07:07 PM

Are u talking about nuclear plants or power plants in general?? from ur post 1200, I will take that u are talking abt nuclear plants..

Constructing Nuke plants in coastal regions is preferred due to the abundant supply of sea water.. Hence, many interior states are not suitable for nuke plants. Plus, the size and population density also plays a part.. A huge power plant in states like Kerala is difficult due to environmental concerns, high population density and high land cost..

So, it is easier if they go for big power plants in a select few states and share the electricity with neighbouring states.

Anniyan

February 29th, 2012, 07:22 PM

A huge power plant in states like Kerala is difficult due to environmental concerns, high population density and high land cost..
.

ok, no need of a huge one, but atleast a small one?

Do they need more land than airports?

If CG announces that power from KKNP is only for TN, you can expect Kerala assembly to pass resolution against KKNP. :)

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 07:32 PM

I mentioned population density and high land cost too..

Coastal regions of Kerala are heavily populated and developed which will make land acquisition too costly..

kannan infratech

February 29th, 2012, 07:49 PM

ok, no need of a huge one, but atleast a small one?

Do they need more land than airports?

If CG announces that power from KKNP is only for TN, you can expect Kerala assembly to pass resolution against KKNP. :)

It was offered to kerala first , it being a commie and Congress ruling state since russian plant and CG funding.. Kerala politicos opposed it tooth and nail and got it shifted to koodankulam but still managed to keep their agreed share.

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 07:50 PM

Looks like some states are there only for beauty contest . Oh she's beautiful, sexy and very costly.

krishnaswamy

February 29th, 2012, 07:55 PM

It was offered to kerala first , it being a commie and Congress ruling state since russian plant and CG funding.. Kerala politicos opposed it tooth and nail and got it shifted to koodankulam but still managed to keep their agreed share.
If so, TN has taken the risk of lot of lifes..We should be compensated suitably(by more power, and other best infrastructure around the Plant)..
meanwhile, ABJ Kalam, demanded CG and SG to invest 200 cr to develop the regions around the plant. what happened to that?
CG is silent that mere "Electric power" alone is enough?

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 07:56 PM

Constructing Nuke plants in coastal regions is preferred due to the abundant supply of sea water.. Hence, many interior states are not suitable for nuke plants. Plus, the size and population density also plays a part.. .

Have the plant in coastal regions and store the nuclear waste in interior states. Share the burden, not just the benefits.

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 07:59 PM

If so, TN has taken the risk of lot of lifes..We should be compensated suitably(by more power, and other best infrastructure around the Plant)..
meanwhile, ABJ Kalam, demanded CG and SG to invest 200 cr to develop the regions around the plant. what happened to that?
CG is silent that mere "Electric power" alone is enough?

I read in one of the papers, If I remember right scientist chidambaram said KK will be developed into another tarapore with lot of investments in the region.

krishnaswamy

February 29th, 2012, 07:59 PM

Have the plant in coastal regions and store the nuclear waste in interior states. Share the burden, not just the benefits.
I heard that "nuclear wastes" burried under deep sea..

kannan infratech

February 29th, 2012, 08:06 PM

jjJ should demand additional capacity at KK and ask for 75% share and 500 cr for area development

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:06 PM

I heard that "nuclear wastes" burried under deep sea..

As per Arul's comment previoulsy, all nuclear waste of india is buried in a place near Bodi.

Not sure India buries its waste under sea , only France does that extensively.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:09 PM

Nuclear waste will be stored where the conditions are suitable and not based on some fancy arguments..

Wonder why making this a contest btwn " Us and Them"??

For many years, Uranium mines in Jaduguda(jharkhand) have been supplying fuel to run nuke plants in other states inc. Kalpakkam.. Now, Tummalapalle mines in Andhra will also be used.. Will u accept if those states argue why should they risk uranium mining to generate power in some other states??

I wonder what ur argument would be if u were in the mineral heartland states( jharkhand, Orissa, MP etc)..Those states have been exploited for decades ( freight equalization policy) for the development of the country and yet those are the poorest states in the country..

Leo_r

February 29th, 2012, 08:10 PM

New 600MW power plant construction work is nearing completion and getting ready for commissioning

I think this is BGR Energy's first power plant(Engg/projectconsultant) and that too with Chinese Technology.. Hope the unit performs well.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:12 PM

As per Arul's comment previoulsy, all nuclear waste of india is buried in a place near Bodi.

er.. No.. Actually, GoI is planning a Neutrino research lab ( Like the CERN lab in Europe) in Bodi.. Some people are just speculating that this has a ulterior motive that it would be used to store nuke waste....

Remember, its pure speculation based on no facts..

krishnaswamy

February 29th, 2012, 08:18 PM

As per Arul's comment previoulsy, all nuclear waste of india is buried in a place near Bodi.

Not sure India buries its waste under sea , only France does that extensively.
Bodi might be "Future" storage.. how they are handling it for kalpakkam plant?
Nuclear waste will be stored where the conditions are suitable and not based on some fancy arguments..

Wonder why making this a contest btwn " Us and Them"??

For many years, Uranium mines in Jaduguda(jharkhand) have been supplying fuel to run nuke plants in other states inc. Kalpakkam.. Now, Tummalapalle mines in Andhra will also be used.. Will u accept if those states argue why should they risk uranium mining to generate power in some other states??

I wonder what ur argument would be if u were in the mineral heartland states( jharkhand, Orissa, MP etc)..Those states have been exploited for decades ( freight equalization policy) for the development of the country and yet those are the poorest states in the country..
if you have replied to my Post..my logic to your answer is ...
their state Corrupt politicians did not think about the state and concerned about their own pockets. that is why, Still they are in poor state.
when compared to "Delivery", South is still doing better(atleast TN and Kerala) than other states. Here also corruption happens.. but their it happens without anything. here it happens with something..
I have another question.: is tarapore developed much better than kalpakkam? why scientist quoted tarapore as example instead of kalpakkam?

krishnaswamy

February 29th, 2012, 08:19 PM

I think this is BGR Energy's first power plant(Engg/projectconsultant) and that too with Chinese Technology.. Hope the unit performs well.
BGR is going to be part of NTPC projects as well. Stock up nearly 9% in the last 2 days.
Vadai poche...

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:20 PM

I have another question.: is tarapore developed much better than kalpakkam? why scientist quoted tarapore as example instead of kalpakkam?

B'cos Tarapore is a shipping village like KK and not a place like kalpakkam which is closer to a major city. So the develoment patterns are different.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:24 PM

U are completely missing the point. It absolutely doesn't matter whether they got poor leaders or not.. The fact is, other states inc. TN have used the mineral wealth found in those states and grown and that is ok ( though exploitation should be avoided) as we are part of a entity called INDIA.

If everything built or found in a state be used only by that state, then we may as well become a separate nation, right?? What is the point of being in a federal structure??

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:28 PM

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:30 PM

The benefits of being part of a fedral structure is our fishermen get killed everyday and we cannot do anything about it.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:30 PM

What??

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:31 PM

The benefits of being part of a fedral structure is our fishermen get killed everyday and we cannot do anything about it.

Ok.. Looks like u have some other agenda.. No comments..

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:33 PM

Reached 4000 posts.. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:35 PM

I don't have any agenda...In a federal structure there are going to be +ve and -ve's and everyone is going to fight for their rights.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:45 PM

My whole point is, there will be give and take btwn states which is commonly known as TRADE.

And why didn't u reply to my posts reg. uranium mines in Jharkhand.. Isn't TN exploiting Jharkhand then?? U won't see like that because TN is getting the advantage..

And why are u guys saying nuclear plants are a risk and yet supporting this plant?? Is it because u are not living at Idinthakarai?? And u will be ok if a nuke plant is set up in other state as it won't affect you and let them be damned...?? And it is seriously hypocritical to think like that..

Udayakumar is a lot better.. Atleast he opposes Nuke energy universally and sees it as a risk to humans and not selectively Tamils or Gujaratis !

kongutamizhan

February 29th, 2012, 08:53 PM

Reached 4000 posts.. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

congrats!!!

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:54 PM

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 08:58 PM

Wait a sec.. Are u talking abt Kerala in particular??

P.S: Congrats on having a property near Kalpakkam..

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 08:58 PM

In any of my posts did i accuse you of personal agenda, place you live etc. Did i accuse you might have a place in kerala etc. So please desist from personal attacks.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 09:04 PM

Just clear this for me.. Are u a supporter of nuclear energy or not??

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 09:07 PM

congrats!!!

Thanks..

Enna KT Sir.. Konja naala Romba silent aayitinga??

N.kumar

February 29th, 2012, 09:10 PM

Power plants and mines come with an economic cost. Most of the power plants are thermal. now gas based and nukes is also getting attn.

all states are willing to have them. Hence today when a plant i started in TN share is given to other states and central share used to meet exigencies in other states as well. the home state gets major share for allotting land.

Similarly when plant is started in another state, our state also gets share. This is to ensure things are evenly distributed.

There is one state alone though that refuses to have a thermal plant or nuke. But hardly does it allow central power projects in its water resources as well.

So well, if states dont participate in central program, my view is they dont deserve a major pie. Thats also part of fed. I want take the nonsense that in such a long coast, not a single place thermal plant cant be located.

N.kumar

February 29th, 2012, 09:12 PM

murlee,

KT saar will give some vadivelu or vivek dialogue saying odambu puncture pannitanga, but i will go to some ayurveda thing and get back.

I think busy with his work and studies.

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 09:12 PM

Just clear this for me.. Are u a supporter of nuclear energy or not??

I believe in all types of energy including NE, and we might need several more of these just to take care of the current growth rate leave alone double digit growth. So i'm against excluding states just b'cos some sections will opose it (or) cost of it. I also believe in shared sacrifice and not dump everything on somebody just b'cos they are desperate currently.

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 09:18 PM

Ok.. From what I understand, u guys are unhappy with Kerala in particular opposing nuke plant and yet asking for a share from other states nuke plants.. Right??

P.S: Kumar sir.. kerala does have thermal plant.. Kayamkulam

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM

murlee,

KT saar will give some vadivelu or vivek dialogue saying odambu puncture pannitanga, but i will go to some ayurveda thing and get back.

I think busy with his work and studies.

:lol:

Ya.. must be busy!

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 09:21 PM

I believe in all types of energy including NE, and we might need several more of these just to take care of the current growth rate leave alone double digit growth. So i'm against excluding states just b'cos some sections will opose it (or) cost of it. I also believe in shared sacrifice and not dump everything on somebody just b'cos they are desperate currently.

I am curious why u used the word 'sacrifice' !! Does it mean u see nuke plant as a risk??

krishnaswamy

February 29th, 2012, 09:27 PM

If everything built or found in a state be used only by that state, then we may as well become a separate nation, right?? What is the point of being in a federal structure??
Murlee,
I also support federal structure only.
when did i say, that 100% of project benefits should be given to host state alone?
I am asking host state can be given some additional % of benefits for the central Govt projects.

where is the federal structure gone on speedy completion of Tamilnadu railway projects, giving money to TN Govt, allocating TN share of Electricity, Cauvery water quota, now mullai periyaru..

Federal Govt should distribute benefits to all states evenly irrespective of what political government is ruling.
At the same time, Federal Structure should make sure that all states participate in national projects. If they refuse to do so on a biased interest, they should not be given any Federal benefits...

will all these things happen ..particularly to our "neighbour" state?

My stand point on NE.. it should be avoided as much as possible. but once big investment is made like KKNP, it should be run and adequate safety measures to be provided. "Federal" Govt should come open and debate all the facts..

All the above things will not happen with our present "Federal" Govt..ok..va?

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 09:27 PM

If there's no risk, why do you think there is so much effort to pacify local people ? Why do some states oppose it so vehemently. Just for fun ?

murlee

February 29th, 2012, 09:31 PM

If u think there is risk, why are u supporting the operation of Kudankulam plant in the first place??

If there's no risk, why do you think there is so much effort to pacify local people ?

This has been discussed here multiple times.. Of how those NGOs have spread false information and how the test run created panic etc..

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 09:38 PM

What are you trying to prove here ? Can you explain why kerala has the right to say no to nuclear plant ?

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 09:42 PM

Maybe they don't fall under your federal lecture (or) something else. May be it is like the India map you shared last time ? Except Kerala every other state was split ?

karkal

February 29th, 2012, 10:10 PM

India's Government Grudgingly Releases Report on Nuclear Power's Effect on Human Health

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33374.html

India is betting heavily on nuclear power to meet its surging energy needs. While India currently has six nuclear power plants (NPPs) with 20 reactors generating 4,780 megawatts, seven other reactors are under construction and are expected to generate an additional 5,300 megawatts.

This current rate of nuclear power generation pales into insignificance with New Delhi's future plans, as on 22 February Power Minister Sushilkumar Shinde told a seminar at the India International Nuclear Symposium, "India plans to have a total installed nuclear capacity of 63,000 megawatts by the year 2032, using both indigenous technology and imported reactors. Nuclear technology has several distinct advantages - it is compact and highly manageable in terms of handling, transportation and storage of the fuel. Thermal technologies have the problems of greenhouse gas emissions, fly-ash and handling, transportation, storage problems of large quantities of fuel as well as availability of coal."

As for worries about the hazards of nuclear power generation, earlier this month Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Srikumar Banerjee told a gathering at the Department of Atomic Energy's Raja Ramanna Center for Advanced Technology in Indore, "All atomic energy plants in the country are totally secured as per international standards and are also capable of dealing with natural calamities like tsunamis or earthquakes."

But amidst the bland assurances lurks a darker reality.

After being in denial for years, last month the selfsame Department of Atomic Energy for the first time admitted that the deaths of its employees and their dependents at the Kalpakkam nuclear site were caused by multiple myeloma, a rare form of bone marrow cancer linked to nuclear radiation.

Not that the DAE willingly divulged the information - it came to light in response to a Right to Information (RTI) inquiry from October 2011, with the DAE acknowledging that nine people, including three employees working at the Madras Atomic Power Station (MAPS) at Kalpakkam, 44 miles from Chennai, died of multiple myeloma and bone cancer between 1995 and 2011. The DAE had previously stonewalled all previous requests for information.

The report paints a troubling picture of the policies at the DAE, which sends out high-ranking officials with bland assurances for the public about the nation's NPPs while privately compiling reports about their health effects, concerns that can only grow as New Delhi presses forward with its nuclear program. Furthermore, the statements that Indian NPPs can withstand earthquakes and tsunamis, made in a country vulnerable to both, smacks of more than a little hubris, as Tokyo Electric and Power Co. made similar pronouncements before the 11 March 2011 earthquake and tsunami destroyed its Fukushima Daichi nuclear power complex.

But rising to the occasion, on 6 January the project director of the Kalpakkam Indira Gandhi Center for Atomic Research, Prabhat Kumar, asserted that the recent "Thane" storm proved without doubt the "foolproof safety, safe technology and design, concrete stability, and enviable worth of all nuclear power plants."

But as for the Japanese following nuclear events in India, what can they conclude if "totally secured as per international standards" NPPs nevertheless caused cancer deaths from radiation? Given the immense releases of nuclear material from Fukushima, what will the country's health profile look like decades from now?

Opposition to India's nuclear power program is growing, most notably at Kudankulam. Accordingly, given the projected scope of India's proposed nuclear future, the country may well prove to be either the salvation or graveyard of nuclear power worldwide.

And one can only wonder what other reports the DAE is sitting on. While no doubt all Indians without electricity would like a light bulb, is appeal is considerably diminished if its hanging over one's hospital bed years from now as one slowly expires from radiation-induced cancer.

Accordingly, the fishermen protesting the Kudankulam NPP could be doing their fellow countrymen a greater service than they currently realize.