here is the data, scroll down to M and it will have the tri county grouped and separated.
Table 6 - Crime in the United States 2008

here are the rates per 100k

Miami dade beat all the counties in homicide (9.6) , violent crime ( 927.0)
, robbery ( 339.0 ) aggravated assault (549.6 ), property crime (5,521.2)
, burglary (1,096.6), larceny theft (3,746.4) , and motor vehicle theft (678.3)

the only one that is the lowest is rape at 28.9 the lowest out of all three counties, with palm beach at the highest at 31.1

well considering it's the most populated county in all of Florida one would expect a correlating higher crime rate.Scroll down to what? You didn't provide a link.

Completely random, but occasionally, I visit the City-Data forums, and soon after, I leave. I have never met a more pessimistic group of people. It's so irritating, because there may be one or two positive people for every 50 pessimistic people. If I wasn't from Miami, and had to judge our city based on people's comments on City-Data, I'd never want to visit, let alone move here. 90% of them sound like they live in the suburbs, and haven't been to Downtown or anywhere remotely urban in Miami within the last 20 years. Oh City-Data...

Violent crime rates in larger urban areas are normally tabulated by compiling incidents per 100,000 residents, so the size of Miami-Dade County overall isn't really a factor. No different than, say, New Orleans having a vastly higher per-capita crime rate than New York despite there being far more actual incidents in NYC because of its immense size. No system is perfect, but it's probably the fairest and most accurate way to rank such things.

Metro Miami has almost always tended to rank above national norms in violent crime but this can be attributed to many factors---especially a high poverty rate and a transient population. That said, though, no question things are under MUCH better control now (as in most other cities) when compared to what was experienced in the 70's and 80's.

What's funny when you study these numbers is how misguided a lot of folks are in believing that the distant past was much more bucolic and peaceful in American cities. The violent crime rates in the 1920's and 30's, for instance, dwarfs the rates of today. Like many things, what people think and what was really true are very different.

Completely random, but occasionally, I visit the City-Data forums, and soon after, I leave. I have never met a more pessimistic group of people. It's so irritating, because there may be one or two positive people for every 50 pessimistic people. If I wasn't from Miami, and had to judge our city based on people's comments on City-Data, I'd never want to visit, let alone move here. 90% of them sound like they live in the suburbs, and haven't been to Downtown or anywhere remotely urban in Miami within the last 20 years. Oh City-Data...I'm with Kevin on this as I agree there is a lot of unfair negativity on that particular forum,by the way OP this is Skyscraper City it should be related to buildings.

i assume that you are comparing the rate in the 3 counties of s florida

dade's rate used to be much higher than broward and palm beach, the fact that it is now equal or ahead in some categories is good

also, if you go back and compare over a 10, 20, 30 year time frame, the crime rate in dade is a fraction of what it once was.

if i remember correctly that 1926 had the worst crime rate in miami history.

if i remember correctly that 1926 had the worst crime rate in miami history.

Without having the data in front of me I'd say that's very likely...just as most American cities had MUCH higher violent crime rates in that era than today. It's funny how we perceive things so differently.

Completely random, but occasionally, I visit the City-Data forums, and soon after, I leave. I have never met a more pessimistic group of people. It's so irritating, because there may be one or two positive people for every 50 pessimistic people. If I wasn't from Miami, and had to judge our city based on people's comments on City-Data, I'd never want to visit, let alone move here. 90% of them sound like they live in the suburbs, and haven't been to Downtown or anywhere remotely urban in Miami within the last 20 years. Oh City-Data...

im not saying Miami is bad, just the worst out of all 3, and..

I'm with Kevin on this as I agree there is a lot of unfair negativity on that particular forum,by the way OP this is Skyscraper City it should be related to buildings.


i actually posted that on city data, and just thought i wanted to share it with people here to. i usually never bash miami. and kevin i live by the airport, so i do live a couple blocks from downtown, maybe 5-10 min car ride

im not saying Miami is bad, just the worst out of all 3, and..




what would be more interesting is how it compares historically. i.e what was the rate of all 3 counties in 1970, 1980 etc

City-Data is a forum of angry whiners. You won't find much in the way of intelligent, reasonable debate there. I posted there maybe twice and got sick of it after a while (as in 5 minutes).

City-Data is a forum of angry whiners. You won't find much in the way of intelligent, reasonable debate there. I posted there maybe twice and got sick of it after a while (as in 5 minutes).

I 100% agree with this. City-Data is not enjoyable at all to be on because of all the complaining and trolling. You could post the most innocent and uncontroversial thing about Florida there and people would find a way to bash it.

Back to the topic, what other metro areas are there in South Florida? I was under the impression that the Dade-Broward-PBC was the only one. If you're saying that Dade County is still the most dangerous out of the three counties then yeah obviously, when were Broward or PBC more dangerous? It makes sense that the more populated and urban county has more crime than its suburban counterparts.

I 100% agree with this. City-Data is not enjoyable at all to be on because of all the complaining and trolling. You could post the most innocent and uncontroversial thing about Florida there and people would find a way to bash it.

Back to the topic, what other metro areas are there in South Florida? I was under the impression that the Dade-Broward-PBC was the only one. If you're saying that Dade County is still the most dangerous out of the three counties then yeah obviously, when were Broward or PBC more dangerous? It makes sense that the more populated and urban county has more crime than its suburban counterparts.

Every major town/city/area is a metro. Obviously, Miami is the largest metro area, but Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Fort Myers, and Tallahassee are all metro areas too.

Every major town/city/area is a metro. Obviously, Miami is the largest metro area, but Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Fort Myers, and Tallahassee are all metro areas too.

I understand that, but he said that Miami was the most dangerous Metro area of South Florida. The Miami metro area is the only one in Southeast Florida so by default it's the most dangerous.

I understand that, but he said that Miami was the most dangerous Metro area of South Florida. The Miami metro area is the only one in Southeast Florida so by default it's the most dangerous.

Than yeah, by default we are the most dangerous, as we are the only. He might have meant most dangerous county in the Miami metro area.

I dunno--Riviera & West Palm Beaches have been getting really bad PR over the last few years. Shootings, stabbings, drug-related crimes, rapes--I don't know if the data suggests otherwise, but things are pretty bad up there.

Well this is my prediction for the future of South FL (PBC, Broward, Dade).

The ultra-wealthy, historical areas are not going anywhere and are untouchable to exteme amounts of violent crime, gangs, and poverty(Palm Beach Island, Fisher Island etc.) to the majority of people.

The upper-middle class asreas (Boca, Weston, Miami Lakes) are not going to go anywhere either. They have too much going for them to ever become ghetto.

The areas that are most risk to crime and ghettoization are the ones that have cheap housing and are middle class areas (Lake Worth, Boynton etc.)

Some bad areas with ideal locations and history will get better (Ie. Miami Design District, City Place etc.)

Other bad areas are just going to get worse or stay the same because there is too much poverty and violence to every change what has become embedded into the culture of that community (Ie. Belle Glade, Liberty City etc.)

Saw this in the Herald this morning. Didn't know where else to put it.


South Florida hazardous for pedestrians

A study ranks South Florida as the nation's third most dangerous region for pedestrians, blaming suburban-style growth.
BY ALFONSO CHARDY
achardy@ElNuevoHerald.com
South Florida is one of the nation's most dangerous areas for pedestrians because the roads generally have been designed to speed up -- not slow down -- traffic, according to a report released Monday.

Dangerous by Design, a study produced by the Surface Transportation Policy Partnership and Transportation for America, ranks the Miami-Dade/Broward region as the third most dangerous for people walking -- after Orlando and Tampa.

Though similar reports have been issued in the past, Monday's survey is perhaps the most comprehensive -- based on statistics that link design of highways, streets and avenues to pedestrian fatality rates.

One of its most striking conclusions: The most dangerous urban areas for pedestrians are not those with the highest number of pedestrian deaths but those where people walking along any given major road are most at risk of getting hit by a vehicle.

New York, for example, has the highest absolute number of pedestrian deaths of any American metropolitan area -- with 317 in 2008. But the region, including Long Island and northern New Jersey, ranked 50th of 52 areas and had a pedestrian fatality rate of 1.67 per 100,000 residents.

For study authors, a key issue was whether the road layout of an urban area makes walking more dangerous even if the number of pedestrians fatalities is lower.

Even if fewer people are walking in sprawling areas like Orlando, Tampa and South Florida, those who venture onto the streets are more likely to be struck down by a speeding vehicle than those walking in more compact and older urban centers like Manhattan.

Orlando was singled out as the most dangerous urban area for pedestrians, with a pedestrian fatality rate of 2.9 deaths per 100,000 residents -- though just 1.3 percent of residents walk to work.

``In other words, the few people who do walk in Orlando face a relatively high risk of being killed by traffic,'' the study said.

Orlando had a ``pedestrian danger index'' of 221.5, the nation's highest. That index consists of the average pedestrian fatality rate per 100,000 residents over a two-year period, and the percentage of residents who walk to work.

Tampa ranked second with a pedestrian fatality rate of 3.52 per 100,000 residents and a danger index of 205.5.

The Miami metropolitan area -- including Fort Lauderdale and surrounding communities as far north as Pompano Beach -- ranked third with an average pedestrian fatality rate of 3.04 and a danger index level at 181.2.

Gloria Katz, executive director of Fort Lauderdale-based Smart Growth Partnership, said the report highlights the shortcomings of areas that spend less on pedestrian facilities on roads.

``We in South Florida have not spent enough money to support policies of complete streets, which provide a method of transportation aside from cars, such as sidewalks and bicycle lanes,'' Katz said, saying the region spends a sixth of what others spend per person on bike lanes and pedestrian safety.

The report blames sprawling suburban-style growth for the danger to pedestrians.

``The pressure to move as many cars through these areas as quickly as possible has led transportation departments to squeeze in as many lanes as they can, while designing out sidewalks, crosswalks and crossing signals, on-street parking, and even street trees in order to remove impediments to speeding traffic,'' it said.

The report said Hispanics and African Americans are particularly vulnerable because they ``drive less and walk more than other groups.'' The report said African Americans ``walk for 50 percent more trips than whites, and the Hispanic walking rate is close to 40 percent higher.''

Interesting results from 2009 crime stats. Miami ranks as the 45th most dangerous large city in the US (violent crime, ranked 400 largest cities) with a lower crime rate than such crime infested cities as Minneapolis, Indianpolis or Tacoma. Orlando led the way for Florida.

http://assets.bizjournals.com/cms_media/stlouis/pdf/CityCrime.pdf

Notable cities:
#1 Camden, NJ
#2 St.Louis, MO
#3 Oakland, Ca
#4 Detroit, MI
#5 Flint, MI
#6 New Orleans, LA
#7 Birmingham, AL
#8 Cleveland, OH
#9 Jackson, MS
#10 Memphis, TN
#13 Baltimore, MD
#16 Washington DC
#17 Orlando, FL
#18 Atlanta, GA
#21 Philadelphia, PA
#24 Hartford, CT
#28 Indianapolis, IN
#30 Minneapolis, MN
#35 Miami Gardens, FL
#42 Miami Beach, FL
#45 Miami, FL
#53 West Palm Beach, FL
#63 Pompano Beach, FL
#77 Fort Lauderdale, FL
#144 Hollywood, FL
#186 Hialeah, FL
#216 Miramar, FL
#234 Plantation, FL
#248 Davie, FL
#254 Sunrise, FL
#315 Pembroke Pines, FL
#319 Boca Raton, FL
#346 Coral Springs, FL

anyone who knows miami, knows that those numbers are screwed up. they have miami beach at 42, even more dangerous than miami which is a joke. the reason the numbers are skewed is because it is based on population size, and the actual amount of people in miami beach at any given time is triple or more the actual census numbers.