^^ I think you can't expect much of that, mainly for two reasons. The buildings are supposed to "slope down" towards the water is one reason, another is that I believe both politicians and a lot of people don't want to have (many/more than one) tall buildings "blocking" the view towards Ekeberg from the direction of Sentrum and the Opera.

but in that foreground cluster of buildings they don't slope down, they are all the same height apart from that shitty thing next to the vent tower.

i'm not suggesting recreating manhattan here but just some variation, something a bit more dramatic - this is the sort of thing that one builds in largely residential areas, not an expanding commercial centre.

and if it is intended to slope down to the sea then surely it should look more like the run of buildings towards lambda.

as far as blocking the view, i thought that that was what the gap was introduced for? either way, please build something more spectacular next to the vent tower, that must be clear of the park's view.

Oslo's skyline needs variation, it needs shifts in height to compliment the natural shifts in height of the hills that surround it - it certainly doesn't need some flat bank of ineffective and meaningless office blocks that one might find in any suburb.

Yes, I know. And Paris would look better without them.

That's a matter of opinion, but Paris just like Oslo would work a lot better with more of them (strategicly placed with regards to infrastructure aubviously.)

That's a matter of opinion, but Paris just like Oslo would work a lot better with more of them (strategicly placed with regards to infrastructure aubviously.)

Of course it is a matter of opinion. City developments generally are. :)
I agree that we both need more highrises, but they should be in a cluster or well proportioned lone towers like Turning Torso.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081616.jpg

This ramp is down already :)

... and the old pedastrian bridge at Tollboden is down. Not exactly a loss.. :cheers:

... and the old pedastrian bridge at Tollboden is down. Not exactly a loss.. :cheers:

I was driving down Rådhusgaten today and noticed the new view of the Opera without the bridge blocking it. It was quite uplifting.

Aftenposten wrote an article about about NCC wanting to sell/give away the bridge to someone who could use it. How it is possible to write that article without pointing out the fact that such an ugly construction should be chopped to pieces and not be raised somewhere else?

Considering it's aesthetic quality, I would guess it was intended as a temporary construction when it was first erected. Temporary things that work functionally tend to become permanent.

"kommunale etater, bydel Gamle Oslo og andre skal få komme med innspill."

Translation: the most hardcore nimbys in the northern hemisphere are awaiting permission to enter kamikazi mode in order to violently and aggressively shoot down propositions bearing any resemblance to exciting, progressive and refreshing architecture.

Considering it's aesthetic quality, I would guess it was intended as a temporary construction when it was first erected. Temporary things that work functionally tend to become permanent.

If you are talking about Bispelooket, then actually no. I remember reading an article about the lid in A-magasinet were they spoke with one of the designers behind the lid, and he could tell that they had put much thought into making it appear like a completely circle, how different stripes in the concrete should create an exiting facade and so on. And that they thought it was a big and great step for the city. I have also seen that some have called for preservation of it but they didn't get their will (thankfully).
:)

"kommunale etater, bydel Gamle Oslo og andre skal få komme med innspill."

Translation: the most hardcore nimbys in the northern hemisphere are awaiting permission to enter kamikazi mode in order to violently and aggressively shoot down propositions bearing any resemblance to exciting, progressive and refreshing architecture.

You think there are some even worse in the Southern Hemisphere?

If you are talking about Bispelooket, then actually no. I remember reading an article about the lid in A-magasinet were they spoke with one of the designers behind the lid, and he could tell that they had put much thought into making it appear like a completely circle, how different stripes in the concrete should create an exiting facade and so on. And that they thought it was a big and great step for the city. I have also seen that some have called for preservation of it but they didn't get their will (thankfully).
:)

I was actually talking about the blue pedestrian bridge between the Opera and the stock exchange. I can imagine that Bispelokket was quite spectacular when it was built. The last years, with iron beam reinforcements etc, was just a sad display.

Sinsen-krysset has always been the bigger brother of Bispelokket. It's much more awe-inspiring, IMO!:happy:

This post illustrate it well:


You can find them, and alot others, here: http://www.panoramio.com/user/356614/tags/Oslo

Focussing on elevated roundabouts today

Sinsenkrysset
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/27831089.jpg

Bispelokket
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/27831425.jpg

^^ Sinsenkrysset didn't originally look like that though. It was first in 1970 that they built the bridge over the roundabout and in 1994 that the ring road was moved underneath it.
I was actually talking about the blue pedestrian bridge between the Opera and the stock exchange. I can imagine that Bispelokket was quite spectacular when it was built. The last years, with iron beam reinforcements etc, was just a sad display.

Okay, my bad. I didn't realize that they had removed the blue bridge too. That's great!

Read an article in Aftenposten today by Niels Torp. Looks like the man has gone completely mad, and is against every development in Oslo along the fjord. Only thing he didn't criticize was Tjuvholmen (naturally), but with his thoughts in the article I would believe he actually thinks Tjuvholmen is also too massive.

As examples he mentioned Barcode (of course) as the completely wrong choice for this area, he would rather have low building towards a large park by the fjord. He thought we should put Filipstad on hold for 15 years, called Statoil's new hq at Fornebu a monstrous stick-game, and couldn't understand why someone would fill Sørenga with "gigantic" residential blocks.

He also hoped someone would start protesting against "5 new highrise projects west in Bjørvika".:? Didn't understand was he meant, but he listed "a 137m Plaza hotel, an even taller Postgiro, a 100m Nordea tower and a 60m and 90m NSB-towers". :bash:

Seems like Oslo is growing faster than Torp is able to handle, and that he is starting to be outdated. He wanted everthing scaled down and wanted to brake the development because we have plenty of time :puke:

^^ Yes, his project in Bjørvika turned out to be such a beauty queen (oslo atrium). Better build more of them instead.

^^Or that god-awful infill between Oslo Atrium and Nydalsbroa.

I have dropped all my faith in him. Telenor HQ and Quality Tønsberg/Oseberg kulturhus may look god for themselves, but are tragic waste of central property.

I made a comment to this article earlier today, and added a few more now. It seems to me that Torp has become senile and should be protected against himself. On top of that we have the usual .. eh.. people commenting.........

^^Or that god-awful infill between Oslo Atrium and Nydalsbroa.

Or the awful suburban-style projects farther down Nylandsveien. Which reminds me, how far have they come with the planing of that one?

But I have never been the biggest fan of Niels Torp to be honest.

Or the awful suburban-style projects farther down Nylandsveien. Which reminds me, how far have they come with the planing of that one?

From September:


Hei Kirsten
Jeg vet ikke om du er informert, derfor denne mail:
Sundtkvartalet er solgt av våre oppdragsgivere til Entra Eiendom. Vi vet derfor ikke hvordan dette blir
fremover. Entra Eiendom prøver også å få kjøpt kommunen sin del av kvartalet men utfallet er ikke klart
ennå.
Entra Eiendom har bedt oss presentere prosjekt og plan slik det foreligger, men hva de gjør videre vet vi
ikke. Som du skjønner er det derfor usikkert om planarbeidet slik det nå ser ut går videre.
Med vennlig hilsen
Torhild Gausereide
Sivilarkitekt
Niels Torp AS
Arkitekter MNAL
Industrigata 58
Majorstuen, 0304 Oslo
tga@nielstorp.no
Mob: 40 84 16 14

They have til January 30th to send in a new plan sketch.

Okay, it's hopefully dead then. Sounds good to me! :cheers:

Thought it might be a good idea to post the Torp article here.

Vi har gjort nok ugagn nå

Fjordbyen. Vår generasjon har gjort nok ugagn. Denne store og viktige byutvidelsen behersker vi ikke med det mannskapet som er tilgjengelig.
Kronikk

Niels A. Torp
Publisert: 12.nov. 2011 (19:17) Oppdatert: 13.nov. 2011 (15:10)

Våre strandnære byarealer fra Frognerstranda til Kongshavn er alt sammen arvesølv som vi har fått i fanget mer eller mindre ufortjent.

Med en økende innflytting til byene verden over har betydningen av byutvikling og gode byplangrep aldri vært større enn nå.

Utforming og innhold

Sentraliseringstendensene finner naturlig nok uttrykk i en stadig strøm av byutviklingsprosjekter fra arkitekter verden over, der glemte verdier i dagens storbyer vurderes og bringes frem igjen, og der en ny generasjon av unge arkitekter slipper til med sitt syn og sin søken etter ny mening for byorganismen: Nytt innhold, ny teknologi, økologisk helhetssyn, nye former for kommunikasjon, en nedskalert form for byvev som etter alt å dømme inviterer til en annen form for byliv. Det dreier seg om utforming av og innhold i byrommene.

Slik sett blir også «50 prosjekter av unge japanske arkitekter» som bearbeider tanker om gjenoppbygging etter jordskjelvkatastrofen i Japan av interesse. Kreative tanker og drømmer fra et plaget folk.
Filipstad og Saudi-Arabia

Et nettverk av arkitekter kalt «Archi + Aid» er etablert. Et av dets formål er å støtte rekonstruksjon av katastrofeutsatte byområder. Intensjonen er å få mest mulig ut av nettverket og frembringe omsorgsfull og multifasettert støtte for ny samfunnsutvikling. Utdype stedenes karakteristikk, forsterke det som er spesielt attraktivt ved de ulike stedene som bearbeides. Nye, og i vår sammenheng uvanlige temaer tas opp.

Våre strandområder Filipstad, Bjørvika og Sørenga har mye til felles med tsunamiherjede, eller jordskjelvrammede områder i fjernere strøk, eller for den saks skyld ørkenområder i Saudi-Arabia som nå raskt omformes til byområder.

Truet seg frem

Hvilke muligheter hadde vi da alt skulle bygges opp på nytt i Bjørvika, etter at operaen var lokalisert? Hvilke muligheter har vi fortsatt? Hvilke prosesser bringer frem de beste løsninger? Hva gjør vi med Filipstad? Vi behøver et nytt nettverk, et «Archi + Aid»!

Fire parallelloppdrag om overordnet plan for utbyggingen av Bjørvika ble lansert i 2000. Her ble det definitivt valgt galt prosjekt. Mange sa fra om dette.

Hvordan truet den seg frem, Bjørvikaplanen, som vi sliter med i dag?

Hva i all verden ville vi med den fremmedgjørende høyhusmuren i strandkanten mellom fjordlandskapet og den enkle teppebyen bakenfor, der den hviler naturlig og enkelt i sitt bølgende landskap, på ekte Oslovis?

Hvordan ble det med inviterende trivsel mellom høyhusene der selve gaterommet aldri kunne bli noe annet enn en trang avstand mellom de golde høyhusveggene?

Hvorfor deler vi opp Bjørvika-vannrommet med massive boligblokker på Sørenga?

Vi må ikke knase vannrommet ytterligere ved å plumpe digre, klumpete Lambda eller andre store museumsalternativer midt ut i det. Lambda hadde ikke noe smekkert fyrtårnaktig over seg som kunne rettferdiggjøre plasseringen. Et uforståelig tomtevalg arkitektfaglig sett for en stor bygningsmasse.

Vil dømme oss

Senere arkitektgenerasjoner vil dømme vår form for byutvikling, som vi jo pretenderer å drive, ganske hardt. Det som skjer er kald, kynisk eiendomsutvikling.

Bjørvika-utbyggingen er foreldet før den er ferdig. Alt har vi sett før, mange steder, vi vet hvilke virkninger disse bygningsformene har på sinnet og hvordan de vil eldes.

Senere generasjoner ville ha krevet sporområdet senket, slik at naturlige gateløp kunne vært strukket fra byen bakenfor direkte ut mot et bredt, vakkert, generøst parkareal ut mot fjorden, innrammet av en vidt favnende croisette.

Byplansjefen ber om innspill til utformning og innhold på Filipstad. Mitt innspill skal hun få: Legg Filipstad i møllpose i 15 år. Vår generasjon har gjort nok ugagn, denne store og viktige byutvidelsen behersker vi ikke med det mannskapet som er tilgjengelig. Vi er ikke ydmyke nok, oppgaven er for stor, for viktig. Byen vil bli preget i all fremtid av hva vi tillater oss her.

Våkn opp!

De samme aktørene, eierne, etatene, politikerne, planleggerne sitter fortsatt bak spakene. De er såre fornøyd med det de har fått til; og det kommer mer! Mens man hisser seg unødvendig opp over Christian Ringnes’ bypark øst i Ekeberg, planlegges fem nye høye tårnhus vest i Bjørvika; ingen protester? Hallo! Våkn opp. Hva vil vi med disse tårnene? Blir det god og trivelig by på gateplan av slikt? Vi kommer ikke til å klappe begeistret for 100 meter Nordea bank, 132 meter Plazahotell, enda høyere Postgiro og 60 og 90 meter NSB-tårn. Oslo får definitivt ikke en moderne skyline med virkemidler fra tidlig i forrige århundre. Høyhusene tilfører ingen trivsel til gaterommet, og vi inviteres ikke opp i toppetasjene for å nyte utsikten. Høye blokker tilfører bare kapital: Er dette enda mer samrøre av private og offentlige interesser? Trenger man kapital for å rydde opp i tidligere synder i dette området ved å begå nye?

Burde feies av banen

Gi meg en inviterende, nedskalert, menneskelig byorganisme, der det gode byliv kan utfolde seg. De høye egoistiske seg selv-nok bygningene burde vi være ferdige med.

Det som ytterligere gjør meg sikker på at vi ikke er den generasjonen som bør ta seg videre til rette i Oslos strandsone er de manglende reaksjoner på HAV eiendoms foreslåtte himmelhøye, grove hotelltårn som aksent på Filipstad. Som et slags selsomt kjennetegn for byen vår; en karsk hilsen til alle på vei inn fjorden? At slikt ikke feies av banen i et hav av protester bekymrer meg.

Vente på nye aktører

I en fremtidig prosess bør Plan- og bygningsetaten agere som en inspirerende tankesmie sentralt i et omfattende, mangefasettert fagmiljø, fritt og søkende og uten et ufeilbarlig topptungt hierarki som setter stopper for fri tankeflukt. Kanskje er etaten delt opp i flere ulike divisjoner spisset mot henholdsvis sprek fremtidstenkning og profesjonell, effektiv saksbehandling.

Det forpliktende, offentlige eierskapet må omdefineres selv om vi fortsatt befinner oss i liberalismens tidsalder. HAV eiendom arbeider da med havneutbygging, NSB tjener ikke pengene på eiendomsutvikling, men kjører raske tog på snorrette skinneganger, stat og kommune samarbeider hjertelig og konstruktivt til beste for byborgerne.

Og: Statens vegvesen innser at den trange Frognerstranda må få overdekket motorvei mens digre Filipstad i støpeskjeen må kunne klare å innpasse en «cut and cover-trace».

Velkommen til Fornebu

For den som ønsker å bli ytterligere opprørt over herping i strandkanten, ønsker jeg hjertelig velkommen til vakre Fornebu der en monsterpinne-lek er i ferd med å finne sin skremmende form, kynisk lek med digre former i det vakre, sårbare strandlandskapet.

Vi har gjort nok, det holder nå. Vi har ikke dårlig tid.

http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kronikker/Vi-har-gjort-nok-ugagn-n--6696286.html

I think he's focusing too much on the towers. It's been said many times on these forums that towers aren't good or bad in themselves, it's what you do with the street level that matters. Criticizing this is pretty fair.

Whatever he criticizes, the comment/article was in my opinion childish and self-absorbed.

He also hoped someone would start protesting against "5 new highrise projects west in Bjørvika".:? Didn't understand was he meant, but he listed "a 137m Plaza hotel, an even taller Postgiro, a 100m Nordea tower and a 60m and 90m NSB-towers". :bash:

"De reelle høydene bør undersøkes nærmere, men trappeeffekten bør beholdes og det
høyeste punktet bør ligge sentrert. Det bør videre sees på om Postgirobygget bør og kan
være det høyeste bygget, framfor Oslo Plaza. Området rundt Oslo S bør også følge
opptrappingsprinsippet. Det er fordelaktig at byggene trappes opp mot Postgirobygget og
ned mot Akerselva."

..Asplan Viak on local climate around Oslo S.

hope this is the right thread....

and yes, frozen pond....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01426.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01427.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01432.jpg

woo hoo...
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01416.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01418.jpg

Good article by Lotte Sandberg in Aftenposten (http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentarer/Ikke-i-min-bakgrd-6699789.html) today where she refutes all the points from Niels Torps article and calls him a NIMBY.

Good article by Lotte Sandberg in Aftenposten (http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentarer/Ikke-i-min-bakgrd-6699789.html) today where she refutes all the points from Niels Torps article and calls him a NIMBY.

Well written. Torp is a curmudgeon.

Moved everything about Bispekilen to its own thread here, where i made some more informative posts in the two first posts.

Thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1462608

Nice to see that this is not longer a traffic area, but a "Anleggsområde"

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071631.jpg

Soon to be the best student housing in the city!:cheers:

For sure. Lucky students!

New name for stasjonsallmenningen bridge. The name committee has gotten around 50 proposals from the public, and they're left with two finalists.

"Flygende Hollender" and "Akrobaten".

Bydelsutvalget will decide on the 10th of november.

Can't really choose one over the other. I think Flygende hollender is a bit pompous and hard to use in everyday speech while akrobaten is a bit silly and sounds like a nickname rather than a real name. I probably prefer Flygende hollender.

So, Akrobaten (http://broer.no/bro/index.php?ID=64) it is. It was just chosen as the winner name. I think it's ok - nothing more, nothing less.

^^ I agree. It's ok but nothing that make me jump to the trapese :). As an aside - broer.no? Lol and I thought I was slightly nerdish (sometimes) :)

They aren'tt exactly bridge-nerds, when they are missing such important structures as Skarnsund bridge and Osterøy bridge, that datebase is worthless....

Nylandsbrua bridge:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0234.jpg

Once mighty ekspressway reduced to two lanes:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0249.jpg

Bispelokkets missing ramp:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0252.jpg

View from Operaroof:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0254.jpg

Prep for E18 widening at Kongshavn:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0298.jpg

I found an article related to building bridges in Bjørvika. One of the bridges is just described as a bridge for crossing Bjørvika. What kind of bridge is that? Where will it start and end? It is still only an option, but has it been proposed anywhere?

Here is the article (http://www.vareveger.no/article295417.ece).

Does anyone have information about any coherent plan for the waterfront? Now that the first part at Sørenga is ready, will this be the model to be followed? Ie. concrete, wood, rock, and absolutely lifeless (literally speaking, as in no greenery).

My favourite "seaside" (lakeside) walk is in Montreux, which is like a botanical garden 4 meters wide all along the central area.

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/6/4201227-The_lakeshore_Montreux_Montreux.jpg

photo: nyperose, at virtualtourist

Sure, even though this species of palm tree can grow in sheltered places in Norway, I doubt it will be successful here in Oslo. But a lot can be achieved with evergreens (firs, junipers, pines, etc) mixed with broad-leaves to make it green also in winter. I would love to see something like this in Oslo, but it seems like everything is planned to be pier-like, and just like Aker brygge is today. Very exposed, open, dead areas.. Am I the only one opposed to this?

I would like some greeneries too. :)

I see there will be the occasional spot of grass with a few trees on it, but this is also very typical; x meters of concrete, full stop, x meters of grass, with (same type of) trees places evenly every x meters, full stop, repeat cycle. Perhaps some greenery, but little life. And during winter, none at all. It doesn't have to be as baroque as in Montreux, but there are enough places in Oslo with grass, and mostly grass. Even along Akerselva have they (don't remember who) proposed to cut down a lot of the natural vegetation, to "bring in light and create openness", even if these trees are crucial for the life in the river itself.

I guess my point is not just more greenery, but more biodiversity, and less sterile application of it.

Greenery along the promenade is absolutely preferable. Plants and trees together with benches, some art, varied surface and view of water is the recipe for a successful urban space. And of course service, shopping and eating opportunities in the adjacent buildings in addition.

Greenery makes people associate to life, and giving them a relaxing feeling, subconsciously. Learned about this in school :)

I also agree there should be some nice greenery along the waterfront and that Bjørvika shouldn't turn out exactly like Aker Brygge in that regard.

Some greenery and maybe some flowers (in summer) will act to freshen up the area and like marshol says it will contribute to a more relaxing atmosphere.

Both eastern ramps are gone now!

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/sdfpokkofjes.jpg

^^They sure are!:cheers:

Lovely to be able to see the bar's in full body from a distance. Although, only for a few years...

Vil tvinge vegvesenet til å bruke penger på kunst (http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.7953595)

It says the venting towers never got the art it was supposed to get because of the funding. Didn't the artist himself get enough money to make it happen, or why is it still on hold?

Vil tvinge vegvesenet til å bruke penger på kunst (http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.7953595)

It says the venting towers never got the art it was supposed to get because of the funding. Didn't the artist himself get enough money to make it happen, or why is it still on hold?

I think he managed to get fundings for the actual investment, but I believe that the issue of maintainance wasn't in place. That may be why we still haven't seen anything.

Great news! After easter time, finally the apartments on top of DnB building which lies the most east will be put up for sale. Estimates in article and based on OSU communication, 20 mill Nkr for these superb penthouse terracce apartments. All to be very big apartments as well. http://www.na24.no/article3314325.ece

Here are also some pics from the article mentioned in the previos post (from NA24.no)

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DnB3.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DnB2.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DnB1.png

85 000 kr/sqm... :nuts:

If I took my entire savings I could buy space for a sink (someone has a spare sink?)

^^I can provide space for the oven! Maybe if enough SSC-ers combines?? I guess Mr. Holtet over here can provide with some cash as well.

I can provide a sink. And space for the mat in front of the shower (if it's small).

And since I didn't win the record big pot in Viking Lotto today, I can't contribute much either.

Hi everyone, I'm new here (despite the fact that I've been stalking this forum for about two years now just to keep up with the changing face of my native Oslo while studying abroad).

I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this, and its certainly not the right time, but I found the following comparison interesting. I'm not sure if you will agree with me, but I find that the similarities between the opera and the part of the Acropolis surrounding the Parthenon are too many to be just coincidental. So maybe Snøhetta was inspired by the Acropolis when they designed the opera? And maybe that is one reason why so many tourists are (maybe subconsciously) drawn to it. After all, everyone knows the Acropolis, even without having been there (as in my case).

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm referring to these similarities.
- the white marble (obviously)
- the layout of the buildings (squares and diagonals, with one big square in the middle (the Partenon)).
- The way the terrain slopes upwards on both sides of the Parthenon just like on the Opera, although granted, the sloping is steeper on the Opera.
- the way the box on top of the Opera ressembles one of the smaller tempes of the Acropolis in its dimensions and shape.
- The four columns standing directly behind the glass wall on the front of the Operahouse. This is in my opinion very reminiscent of the eight columns that are on the short side of the Parthenon.
- The way the Opera is transparent just like the Parthenon was at the time (one could see throught the columns to notice what was happening inside)


http://www.archaeo-pro.com.au/Photographs/Acropolis_model_steps.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/Marcoscars4life/Artistic/P4220841.jpg

^^
Personally, I find it difficult to see similarities. When reading your text I can see that it is possible to find some aspects that might be mirrored to some extent. I guess the scale and the columns behind the windows are the things that reminds me the most of the Parthenon when I look at the picture of the opera above. But that might be me trying to be forthcoming to your suggestion, more than actual similarity... :-)

I think the comparison is interesting. I don't think they consciously tried to copy the Parthenon. But I do think it's true that the Opera house makes an impression for some of the same reasons the Parthenon makes an impression. It's a very astute observation.

Lets hope the Venetians don't blow the opera up, though :)

It's approximately 2 years now since the stone plates started falling off the opera. This is still not fixed. How unimpressive!

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/03/15/nyheter/innenriks/opera/10869217/

:ohno:

Looks pretty good to me. Who's out there??

Looks pretty good to me. Who's out there??

Huh? What do you mean?

In the fjord. No ones out there... I just couldn't see the bother...

In the fjord. No ones out there... I just couldn't see the bother...

It's quite visible for people looking at the opera from the parking lot or from the other side of the water. Not to mention the fjordcruise boats.

It doesn't look good and shows a slightly disturbing inability to maintain such a building.
:ohno:

Klarsignal til fiskehall på Rådhusplassen i Oslo (http://www.aftenposten.no/incoming/Klarsignal-til-fiskehall-pa-Radhusplassen-i-Oslo-6762944.html#.Tz2McfFbqOs)
http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article6763104.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/FS00015882.jpg?updated=150220121439
Illustrasjon: 4b Arkitekter

^^Nice. It took Aftenposten just over two weeks more than me. They've certainly upp'ed their game!:eek:

Det er blitt minst like skrekkelig som vi forestilte oss (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Det-er-blitt-minst-like-skrekkelig-som-vi-forestilte-oss-6769064.html#.T0X45fWS9VM)

Aftenposten checks up with those who were against Barcode back in 2006. Nothing new, really. Most ardent opponents think it's horrible. Most positive supporters (owners) says it will be like Greenwich Village or the Paris latin quarters...

But, it does have a nice clickable graphic that gives an overview of all the buildings in one place.

Well, at least we know what the Aftenposten journalist thinks:nuts:

Hvor skal du få møte haien? (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article688476.ece)

My comment:
Jeg synes det hadde passet best på enten Vippetangen eller Filipstad. Bjørvika får med biblotek og opera nok attraksjoner uansett.

Skrekkscenariet - og fasiten om Barcode (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/Skrekkscenariet---og-fasiten-om-Barcode-6769521.html#.T0c0wfEaMsI)

– Dette viser at vi hadde rett, sier Barcode-kritikerne som laget sin egen illustrasjon av det omdiskuterte komplekset.

http://www.aftenposten.no/incoming/article6769555.ece/BINARY/w780/FS00017313.jpg

NIMBY breeding season, obviously...

New lowered bridge being built!

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241608.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241609.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241630.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241611.jpg


Look at the openness:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241610.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241629.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241633.jpg



http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241634.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241635.jpg

Another info-meeting, this time at VISMA-bygget. (Oh, how I wish they'll let people up in the top floor!:D) Tuesday March 13th from 18:00-19:30. Different actors in Bjørvika will tell about status, and what's up the next couple of years. Free for all:


Utbyggingen i Bjørvika - Status og planer framover

Tid: Tirsdag. 13.mars 2012, kl. 18:00-19:30

Sted: Visma-bygget (Dronning Eufemiasgate 16, Operakvarteret i Bjørvika)

Bjørvika Utvikling AS inviterer til åpent møte om utbyggingen i Bjørvika: Hvor langt har utbyggingen kommet? Hva er planene for 2012 - 2013? Hvordan kommer allmenningene til å bli? Blir det badeplasser? Og når får vi tilgang til havnepromenaden?

Geir Lynnebakken, daglig leder Bjørvika Utvikling AS, vil på vegne av alle utbyggerne i området gi en overordnet redegjørelse av status og planer for boligutbygging, infrastruktur, næringsarealene og de offentlige rommene i hele Bjørvika.

Rikke Brouer, Kommunikasjonsrådgiver Statens Vegvesen Region Øst (SVRØ) vil informere om planer for riksveiutbygging i Bjørvika, og om tilgangen til området for både busser, biler og myke trafikanter i tiden fremover.

Gratis adgang.

For spørsmål eller informasjon, send en mail til info@bjorvikautvikling.no.


Dette er en illustrasjon over hvordan Bjørvika omtrent kommer til å se ut når det er ferdig utbygd rundt 2020.
I utgangen av 2011 var ca. 10% av det totale utbyggingsarelaet for næring og bolig ferdigstilt.
Flere av bygningen i Operakvarteret, bl.a. Visma-bygget, er ferdig utbygget, og både privatpersoner og bedrifter har flyttet inn.


http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktuelt/13mars2012-informasjonsmote-om-bjorvika

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This begins to look good ... can`t wait when the road is finished :)

Another info-meeting, this time at VISMA-bygget. (Oh, how I wish they'll let people up in the top floor!:D) Tuesday March 13th from 18:00-19:30. Different actors in Bjørvika will tell about status, and what's up the next couple of years. Free for all:




http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktuelt/13mars2012-informasjonsmote-om-bjorvika

I've mailed Bjørvika utvikling about letting us up at the roof terrace of VIsma, and they are positive about the idea, but it comes down to if it'll be possible after working hours. Hopefully I'll get an answer Monday or Tuesday, but eitherway, it will be an interesting meeting!:)

^^ da bør dere ha med litt bedre kamera enn de mobilene dere drasser i rundt med, når dere først får komme opp dit! :D

speaking of cameras, wonder if osu keeps all shots from their bjørvika webcam somewhere, or just discard them as new ones are taken. it would make a very nice timelapse in the end. hell, even a timelapse up until now would be nice!

^^ I save some every once in awhile, but not with equal intervals, only when there's been notable changes.

It would be best if the Munch museum ends up in the plot destined for the KHM in Bjørvika! Small chances of getting the vikingships there, so better aim for Munch. Great attraction along DEG!

Even if the ships don't move, I still think the rest of KHM will move. Those two aren't mutually dependent.

I've mailed Bjørvika utvikling about letting us up at the roof terrace of VIsma, and they are positive about the idea, but it comes down to if it'll be possible after working hours. Hopefully I'll get an answer Monday or Tuesday, but eitherway, it will be an interesting meeting!:)

I've been to that roof terrace, and it's not so impressive. I would rather recommend the roof terrace on KLP building. There you have 360 degrees view over all of Oslo :)

I hope this is relevant. I thought it was cool but I didn't know where to post it. So for anyone who has ever played Sim City, built miniature railways, or who likes beautiful footage of Oslo, Anno 2012:

http://vimeo.com/39470129

I've been to that roof terrace, and it's not so impressive. I would rather recommend the roof terrace on KLP building. There you have 360 degrees view over all of Oslo :)

You're inviting me, then?:happy:

edit: cancel this post, mistake..

Groundwork and piling at DEG:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P4181611.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P4181612.jpg

This may be interesting:

Tittel: Parallelloppdrag om Havnepromenaden i Oslo

Kunngjøringstype: Kunngjøring av plan- og designkonkurranse

Utdrag: Det skal gjennomføres et parallelloppdrag om utarbeidelse av Prinsipplan for Utforming av Havnepromenaden i Oslo. Prinsipplanen skal sikre en helhetlig og sammenhengende utforming av Havnepromenaden. Det vises ellers til vedlagte kunngjøringsdokumenter.

http://www.doffin.no/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR177048

Hm, any way to get hold of the konkurransegrunnlag without pretending to be a consulting agency?

^^Not the way I know Doffin. You'd need to ask for innsyn at PBE, most likely at their physical offices in Vahls gate. And even then, the may claim "saksforberedelse".

Just as well to create an own thread for this building as it seems theyre moving along for the moment.

Pictures and info collected from Plan- og bygningsetatens pages. A lot more technical drawings also available.

Worth to mention is that the other side of this building is to be all glass it seems. More or less.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Bjrvika_felt_A14.png

What do you think guys? To recent to feel something for me yet here, but ideally i would more appreciate a taller and perhaps smaller footprint of this building. and closer to the railways. And i really hope they include shops in 1st floor and not just a smaller HQ.

:banana::bash:

^^ sorry, i really don't think we need threads for all these smallest projects, so i moved it to this thread.

Anyway, about the building, looks awful from this side. Don't you have the other drawning?

The building gets uglier for every new render. Now they want to copy the design of Oslo atrium?

Omg.

Lots of drawings, but only one good render in the casefile: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3467478

My contribution: :puke:

Strange, wasn't that the building rendered with red bricks earlier? I wasn't jumping for joy about that one either, but even that looked better or at least more interesting, than this new render did.

^^I think you're confusing two projects. The previous propsal for this building was a glass-box. The red-brick building is in B13, part of the barcodes: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1010083

This appears to a real troublesome location. We are so bad at planning in this country/city. Who thought that Hotel Opera and Oslo Atrium would make a suitable entrance to fjordcity? They're not far from ruining big parts of DEG. And people complain about barcode..

Anyways, this looks like Oslo Atrium's little beach house, so I guess there's some symmetry given that also the hotel has a mini-me next to it. I don't really see a solution; maybe a tall, slim apartment complex could have suited, but it would break with many principles, so it's not realistic. If they just bulldozed Opera and Atrium, and gave the owners sqm in the height..

I think it looks fine. I was surprised that something would be built there at all. Seems sleek enough. The ground floor does not contribute anything to the public in general which is a shame, but appart from that it gets my "approval". I am assuming the material quality will be good.

^^Cladding is the same as Oslo atrium: http://kart.finn.no/?lng=10.75557&lat=59.90843&zoom=17&mapType=finnvector&streetview=true&svx=262687.50098369&svy=6648845.8684517&sa=8.5825024404383&sp=12.016463198019167&streetViewState=1

It so not that bad! A tall one would make a mess out of Oslo Atrium. Better to have one that is not competing with Atrium, only completing it. Western side of nylandsveien/bridge is not going to a real part of Barcode anyway. Go for this one, but I would like a project from Thon/Watrium over the entrance for the Oslo S parking. A sharp, thin, tall, black officebuilding in between the hotel and Atrium to fill in, in a cool way though.

It just looks out of place! Change the massive brick wall facing to the street (!) and make it twice the height, it could be interesting. But thumbs down from over here..

On the other hand, i think Hotel Oprea is not as bad as bad as other stuff being built! :runaway: It has some rather ugly features yes, but it is non intrusive with some classical lines and urban qualities. And the fake marble thing will match the opera in some years! The Atrium is such a UGLY monster it would even look shit in Nydalen. Very hostile. Ugh.. It needs to go.

And by the way, the ground floor is supposed to be a cafe...

Great fun! I like Atrium better than the opera hotel! Atrium has a silent calmness over it. Quiet and classic design, yet big. A bit boring, but it could have been there for ages.
Opera hotel is at best just wrong, cheap, and basically gives me nothing. Give me a refurbishment with black glass instead of the horrible staircases on the southpart, and i will accept it.

^^ I hear you on the cheapness part and totally agree, Maybe and Thon has built cheap to rebuild in the future, maybe even not too long ? (hope)

I agree that the atrium has some decent court like / tyrrell bulding ellements to it but I find it far too alienating and the sides makes it look like it belongs in a industrial estate or business park... imo

Comparing the two in google street (Atrium with least favorable angle)
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/sagittariius/Screenshot2012-04-26at111816PM.pnghttp://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/sagittariius/Screenshot2012-04-26at111528PM.png

both rather rubbish but i find Thon less so due to urban qualities.

^^ I agree. The Atrium just looks like a bland, massive box. It really don't deserve the spot close to such great modern architecture like the Opera and soon the new library. Hotel Opera manages to its size rather well at least.

I still think Atrium solves the office block question better than the Thon hotell solves the hotel issue.

And the fake marble thing will match the opera in some years!

Fake marble? It is a type of stone. Not fake anything.

Anyway, the hotell has a good entrance/ground floor with a nice big classic hotell lobby and bar. It's the floors from 1st and up that looks bad.

Fake marble? It is a type of stone. Not fake anything.

i stand corrected.

I agree with callsign that Atrium is the least ugly building as a stand-alone, but it has little to do in the new Bjørvika bydel, and in comparison to the Barcode-buildings, it's just an ugly, massive box, that belongs in Bryn/Helsfyr/Nydalen. It's such an irony that Torp is among barcode's strongest critics, when he's responsible for Atrium.

The Hotel Opera, to me, is just unbearably ugly and cheap, especially seen from a distance. The ground floor is okay, but it just crashes when it tries to emulate two towers and a setback in between. The lines are really awkward, in my opinion.

i think they've planned this back to front - why not have the curving glass side facing out onto the road, following the curve of the up ramp? who wants a big glass wall facing the atrium when it sould be facing the opera and the sea and ekeberg?

30 seconds work in PSP and it already looks better...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/Image2.jpg

Then it reminds of the brutally ugly "older" parts of Oslo City.

i think they've planned this back to front - why not have the curving glass side facing out onto the road, following the curve of the up ramp? who wants a big glass wall facing the atrium when it sould be facing the opera and the sea and ekeberg?

30 seconds work in PSP and it already looks better...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/Image2.jpg

Indeed my thoughts exactly..! why have the brick wall to the street??

Vegvesenet wants to begin construction of the bridge carrying DEG over Akerselva, but they struggle to get through the formalities of bureaucracy (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3519154).

Earlier they estimated construction start in february/march and finalization within the end of the year, but we won't see anything of akerselva until the entire allmenning is finished. (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3335154). Additionally they stipulated that DEG east of akerselva should be finished and taken in use by autumn 2013. That's surprisingly soon to me. Would be great.

The bridge over Akerselva will have an enlighted walking path beneath it following akerselva, as part of akerselva-allmenningen.

Vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Vikingskipene-blir-pa-Bygdoy-6819691.html#.T6JBxqs9XPc)

Vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Vikingskipene-blir-pa-Bygdoy-6819691.html#.T6JBxqs9XPc)

I'm not sure that this is the best way to show off the ships, and the difference in risks were minimal as far as I can tell of the statistics. The idea of "mideavel town Oslo" had grown a lot of me, with the idea to combine viking ships and the ruins in Bjørvika/old Oslo. It could've been an international hub for showing of Norwegian culture and Vikings.

^^ I agree.

I'm not going to contest any conclusions regarding the security of the viking ships, but as far as I can tell, the experts agreed that any kind of risk for any kind of "damage" or "belastning" was completely unacceptable. I understand that the ships are important enough to justify that view, but maybe they should have weighed it against the amount of people that will visit the ships. The interiors of the viking ship museum is great imo, but the museum remains in the periphery, almost likea curiousity. I would love to have seen a high quality and much visited museum centre of viking goodies and medieval stuff in gamlebyen. Bygdøy can't and don't want to handle that many people anyway.

But, if this is not going to appear like a parody, they will have to build a new building for the ships, cause the report clearly states that in the long run it's more of a risk to keep them in the old building than moving them into a new in Bjørvika.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/021-2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/023-2.jpg

http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article6822820.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/FS00026811.jpg?updated=080520120929

http://www.aftenposten.no/bolig/Deler-ut-gratis-hageflekker-i-Bjorvika-6822027.html#.T6lIruj87Zc

- Gir bort hageflekker i Bjørvika

They will only last for three years, though.

Nice. The area desperately needs something green.

Status on shopping/leasure areas in Operakvarteret: http://www.nenyheter.no/39390