^^ I think you can't expect much of that, mainly for two reasons. The buildings are supposed to "slope down" towards the water is one reason, another is that I believe both politicians and a lot of people don't want to have (many/more than one) tall buildings "blocking" the view towards Ekeberg from the direction of Sentrum and the Opera.

but in that foreground cluster of buildings they don't slope down, they are all the same height apart from that shitty thing next to the vent tower.

i'm not suggesting recreating manhattan here but just some variation, something a bit more dramatic - this is the sort of thing that one builds in largely residential areas, not an expanding commercial centre.

and if it is intended to slope down to the sea then surely it should look more like the run of buildings towards lambda.

as far as blocking the view, i thought that that was what the gap was introduced for? either way, please build something more spectacular next to the vent tower, that must be clear of the park's view.

Oslo's skyline needs variation, it needs shifts in height to compliment the natural shifts in height of the hills that surround it - it certainly doesn't need some flat bank of ineffective and meaningless office blocks that one might find in any suburb.

Yes, I know. And Paris would look better without them.

That's a matter of opinion, but Paris just like Oslo would work a lot better with more of them (strategicly placed with regards to infrastructure aubviously.)

That's a matter of opinion, but Paris just like Oslo would work a lot better with more of them (strategicly placed with regards to infrastructure aubviously.)

Of course it is a matter of opinion. City developments generally are. :)
I agree that we both need more highrises, but they should be in a cluster or well proportioned lone towers like Turning Torso.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081616.jpg

This ramp is down already :)

... and the old pedastrian bridge at Tollboden is down. Not exactly a loss.. :cheers:

... and the old pedastrian bridge at Tollboden is down. Not exactly a loss.. :cheers:

I was driving down Rådhusgaten today and noticed the new view of the Opera without the bridge blocking it. It was quite uplifting.

Aftenposten wrote an article about about NCC wanting to sell/give away the bridge to someone who could use it. How it is possible to write that article without pointing out the fact that such an ugly construction should be chopped to pieces and not be raised somewhere else?

Considering it's aesthetic quality, I would guess it was intended as a temporary construction when it was first erected. Temporary things that work functionally tend to become permanent.

"kommunale etater, bydel Gamle Oslo og andre skal få komme med innspill."

Translation: the most hardcore nimbys in the northern hemisphere are awaiting permission to enter kamikazi mode in order to violently and aggressively shoot down propositions bearing any resemblance to exciting, progressive and refreshing architecture.

Considering it's aesthetic quality, I would guess it was intended as a temporary construction when it was first erected. Temporary things that work functionally tend to become permanent.

If you are talking about Bispelooket, then actually no. I remember reading an article about the lid in A-magasinet were they spoke with one of the designers behind the lid, and he could tell that they had put much thought into making it appear like a completely circle, how different stripes in the concrete should create an exiting facade and so on. And that they thought it was a big and great step for the city. I have also seen that some have called for preservation of it but they didn't get their will (thankfully).
:)

"kommunale etater, bydel Gamle Oslo og andre skal få komme med innspill."

Translation: the most hardcore nimbys in the northern hemisphere are awaiting permission to enter kamikazi mode in order to violently and aggressively shoot down propositions bearing any resemblance to exciting, progressive and refreshing architecture.

You think there are some even worse in the Southern Hemisphere?

If you are talking about Bispelooket, then actually no. I remember reading an article about the lid in A-magasinet were they spoke with one of the designers behind the lid, and he could tell that they had put much thought into making it appear like a completely circle, how different stripes in the concrete should create an exiting facade and so on. And that they thought it was a big and great step for the city. I have also seen that some have called for preservation of it but they didn't get their will (thankfully).
:)

I was actually talking about the blue pedestrian bridge between the Opera and the stock exchange. I can imagine that Bispelokket was quite spectacular when it was built. The last years, with iron beam reinforcements etc, was just a sad display.

Sinsen-krysset has always been the bigger brother of Bispelokket. It's much more awe-inspiring, IMO!:happy:

This post illustrate it well:


You can find them, and alot others, here: http://www.panoramio.com/user/356614/tags/Oslo

Focussing on elevated roundabouts today

Sinsenkrysset
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/27831089.jpg

Bispelokket
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/27831425.jpg

^^ Sinsenkrysset didn't originally look like that though. It was first in 1970 that they built the bridge over the roundabout and in 1994 that the ring road was moved underneath it.
I was actually talking about the blue pedestrian bridge between the Opera and the stock exchange. I can imagine that Bispelokket was quite spectacular when it was built. The last years, with iron beam reinforcements etc, was just a sad display.

Okay, my bad. I didn't realize that they had removed the blue bridge too. That's great!

Read an article in Aftenposten today by Niels Torp. Looks like the man has gone completely mad, and is against every development in Oslo along the fjord. Only thing he didn't criticize was Tjuvholmen (naturally), but with his thoughts in the article I would believe he actually thinks Tjuvholmen is also too massive.

As examples he mentioned Barcode (of course) as the completely wrong choice for this area, he would rather have low building towards a large park by the fjord. He thought we should put Filipstad on hold for 15 years, called Statoil's new hq at Fornebu a monstrous stick-game, and couldn't understand why someone would fill Sørenga with "gigantic" residential blocks.

He also hoped someone would start protesting against "5 new highrise projects west in Bjørvika".:? Didn't understand was he meant, but he listed "a 137m Plaza hotel, an even taller Postgiro, a 100m Nordea tower and a 60m and 90m NSB-towers". :bash:

Seems like Oslo is growing faster than Torp is able to handle, and that he is starting to be outdated. He wanted everthing scaled down and wanted to brake the development because we have plenty of time :puke:

^^ Yes, his project in Bjørvika turned out to be such a beauty queen (oslo atrium). Better build more of them instead.

^^Or that god-awful infill between Oslo Atrium and Nydalsbroa.

I have dropped all my faith in him. Telenor HQ and Quality Tønsberg/Oseberg kulturhus may look god for themselves, but are tragic waste of central property.

I made a comment to this article earlier today, and added a few more now. It seems to me that Torp has become senile and should be protected against himself. On top of that we have the usual .. eh.. people commenting.........

^^Or that god-awful infill between Oslo Atrium and Nydalsbroa.

Or the awful suburban-style projects farther down Nylandsveien. Which reminds me, how far have they come with the planing of that one?

But I have never been the biggest fan of Niels Torp to be honest.

Or the awful suburban-style projects farther down Nylandsveien. Which reminds me, how far have they come with the planing of that one?

From September:


Hei Kirsten
Jeg vet ikke om du er informert, derfor denne mail:
Sundtkvartalet er solgt av våre oppdragsgivere til Entra Eiendom. Vi vet derfor ikke hvordan dette blir
fremover. Entra Eiendom prøver også å få kjøpt kommunen sin del av kvartalet men utfallet er ikke klart
ennå.
Entra Eiendom har bedt oss presentere prosjekt og plan slik det foreligger, men hva de gjør videre vet vi
ikke. Som du skjønner er det derfor usikkert om planarbeidet slik det nå ser ut går videre.
Med vennlig hilsen
Torhild Gausereide
Sivilarkitekt
Niels Torp AS
Arkitekter MNAL
Industrigata 58
Majorstuen, 0304 Oslo
tga@nielstorp.no
Mob: 40 84 16 14

They have til January 30th to send in a new plan sketch.

Okay, it's hopefully dead then. Sounds good to me! :cheers:

Thought it might be a good idea to post the Torp article here.

Vi har gjort nok ugagn nå

Fjordbyen. Vår generasjon har gjort nok ugagn. Denne store og viktige byutvidelsen behersker vi ikke med det mannskapet som er tilgjengelig.
Kronikk

Niels A. Torp
Publisert: 12.nov. 2011 (19:17) Oppdatert: 13.nov. 2011 (15:10)

Våre strandnære byarealer fra Frognerstranda til Kongshavn er alt sammen arvesølv som vi har fått i fanget mer eller mindre ufortjent.

Med en økende innflytting til byene verden over har betydningen av byutvikling og gode byplangrep aldri vært større enn nå.

Utforming og innhold

Sentraliseringstendensene finner naturlig nok uttrykk i en stadig strøm av byutviklingsprosjekter fra arkitekter verden over, der glemte verdier i dagens storbyer vurderes og bringes frem igjen, og der en ny generasjon av unge arkitekter slipper til med sitt syn og sin søken etter ny mening for byorganismen: Nytt innhold, ny teknologi, økologisk helhetssyn, nye former for kommunikasjon, en nedskalert form for byvev som etter alt å dømme inviterer til en annen form for byliv. Det dreier seg om utforming av og innhold i byrommene.

Slik sett blir også «50 prosjekter av unge japanske arkitekter» som bearbeider tanker om gjenoppbygging etter jordskjelvkatastrofen i Japan av interesse. Kreative tanker og drømmer fra et plaget folk.
Filipstad og Saudi-Arabia

Et nettverk av arkitekter kalt «Archi + Aid» er etablert. Et av dets formål er å støtte rekonstruksjon av katastrofeutsatte byområder. Intensjonen er å få mest mulig ut av nettverket og frembringe omsorgsfull og multifasettert støtte for ny samfunnsutvikling. Utdype stedenes karakteristikk, forsterke det som er spesielt attraktivt ved de ulike stedene som bearbeides. Nye, og i vår sammenheng uvanlige temaer tas opp.

Våre strandområder Filipstad, Bjørvika og Sørenga har mye til felles med tsunamiherjede, eller jordskjelvrammede områder i fjernere strøk, eller for den saks skyld ørkenområder i Saudi-Arabia som nå raskt omformes til byområder.

Truet seg frem

Hvilke muligheter hadde vi da alt skulle bygges opp på nytt i Bjørvika, etter at operaen var lokalisert? Hvilke muligheter har vi fortsatt? Hvilke prosesser bringer frem de beste løsninger? Hva gjør vi med Filipstad? Vi behøver et nytt nettverk, et «Archi + Aid»!

Fire parallelloppdrag om overordnet plan for utbyggingen av Bjørvika ble lansert i 2000. Her ble det definitivt valgt galt prosjekt. Mange sa fra om dette.

Hvordan truet den seg frem, Bjørvikaplanen, som vi sliter med i dag?

Hva i all verden ville vi med den fremmedgjørende høyhusmuren i strandkanten mellom fjordlandskapet og den enkle teppebyen bakenfor, der den hviler naturlig og enkelt i sitt bølgende landskap, på ekte Oslovis?

Hvordan ble det med inviterende trivsel mellom høyhusene der selve gaterommet aldri kunne bli noe annet enn en trang avstand mellom de golde høyhusveggene?

Hvorfor deler vi opp Bjørvika-vannrommet med massive boligblokker på Sørenga?

Vi må ikke knase vannrommet ytterligere ved å plumpe digre, klumpete Lambda eller andre store museumsalternativer midt ut i det. Lambda hadde ikke noe smekkert fyrtårnaktig over seg som kunne rettferdiggjøre plasseringen. Et uforståelig tomtevalg arkitektfaglig sett for en stor bygningsmasse.

Vil dømme oss

Senere arkitektgenerasjoner vil dømme vår form for byutvikling, som vi jo pretenderer å drive, ganske hardt. Det som skjer er kald, kynisk eiendomsutvikling.

Bjørvika-utbyggingen er foreldet før den er ferdig. Alt har vi sett før, mange steder, vi vet hvilke virkninger disse bygningsformene har på sinnet og hvordan de vil eldes.

Senere generasjoner ville ha krevet sporområdet senket, slik at naturlige gateløp kunne vært strukket fra byen bakenfor direkte ut mot et bredt, vakkert, generøst parkareal ut mot fjorden, innrammet av en vidt favnende croisette.

Byplansjefen ber om innspill til utformning og innhold på Filipstad. Mitt innspill skal hun få: Legg Filipstad i møllpose i 15 år. Vår generasjon har gjort nok ugagn, denne store og viktige byutvidelsen behersker vi ikke med det mannskapet som er tilgjengelig. Vi er ikke ydmyke nok, oppgaven er for stor, for viktig. Byen vil bli preget i all fremtid av hva vi tillater oss her.

Våkn opp!

De samme aktørene, eierne, etatene, politikerne, planleggerne sitter fortsatt bak spakene. De er såre fornøyd med det de har fått til; og det kommer mer! Mens man hisser seg unødvendig opp over Christian Ringnes’ bypark øst i Ekeberg, planlegges fem nye høye tårnhus vest i Bjørvika; ingen protester? Hallo! Våkn opp. Hva vil vi med disse tårnene? Blir det god og trivelig by på gateplan av slikt? Vi kommer ikke til å klappe begeistret for 100 meter Nordea bank, 132 meter Plazahotell, enda høyere Postgiro og 60 og 90 meter NSB-tårn. Oslo får definitivt ikke en moderne skyline med virkemidler fra tidlig i forrige århundre. Høyhusene tilfører ingen trivsel til gaterommet, og vi inviteres ikke opp i toppetasjene for å nyte utsikten. Høye blokker tilfører bare kapital: Er dette enda mer samrøre av private og offentlige interesser? Trenger man kapital for å rydde opp i tidligere synder i dette området ved å begå nye?

Burde feies av banen

Gi meg en inviterende, nedskalert, menneskelig byorganisme, der det gode byliv kan utfolde seg. De høye egoistiske seg selv-nok bygningene burde vi være ferdige med.

Det som ytterligere gjør meg sikker på at vi ikke er den generasjonen som bør ta seg videre til rette i Oslos strandsone er de manglende reaksjoner på HAV eiendoms foreslåtte himmelhøye, grove hotelltårn som aksent på Filipstad. Som et slags selsomt kjennetegn for byen vår; en karsk hilsen til alle på vei inn fjorden? At slikt ikke feies av banen i et hav av protester bekymrer meg.

Vente på nye aktører

I en fremtidig prosess bør Plan- og bygningsetaten agere som en inspirerende tankesmie sentralt i et omfattende, mangefasettert fagmiljø, fritt og søkende og uten et ufeilbarlig topptungt hierarki som setter stopper for fri tankeflukt. Kanskje er etaten delt opp i flere ulike divisjoner spisset mot henholdsvis sprek fremtidstenkning og profesjonell, effektiv saksbehandling.

Det forpliktende, offentlige eierskapet må omdefineres selv om vi fortsatt befinner oss i liberalismens tidsalder. HAV eiendom arbeider da med havneutbygging, NSB tjener ikke pengene på eiendomsutvikling, men kjører raske tog på snorrette skinneganger, stat og kommune samarbeider hjertelig og konstruktivt til beste for byborgerne.

Og: Statens vegvesen innser at den trange Frognerstranda må få overdekket motorvei mens digre Filipstad i støpeskjeen må kunne klare å innpasse en «cut and cover-trace».

Velkommen til Fornebu

For den som ønsker å bli ytterligere opprørt over herping i strandkanten, ønsker jeg hjertelig velkommen til vakre Fornebu der en monsterpinne-lek er i ferd med å finne sin skremmende form, kynisk lek med digre former i det vakre, sårbare strandlandskapet.

Vi har gjort nok, det holder nå. Vi har ikke dårlig tid.

http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kronikker/Vi-har-gjort-nok-ugagn-n--6696286.html

I think he's focusing too much on the towers. It's been said many times on these forums that towers aren't good or bad in themselves, it's what you do with the street level that matters. Criticizing this is pretty fair.

Whatever he criticizes, the comment/article was in my opinion childish and self-absorbed.

He also hoped someone would start protesting against "5 new highrise projects west in Bjørvika".:? Didn't understand was he meant, but he listed "a 137m Plaza hotel, an even taller Postgiro, a 100m Nordea tower and a 60m and 90m NSB-towers". :bash:

"De reelle høydene bør undersøkes nærmere, men trappeeffekten bør beholdes og det
høyeste punktet bør ligge sentrert. Det bør videre sees på om Postgirobygget bør og kan
være det høyeste bygget, framfor Oslo Plaza. Området rundt Oslo S bør også følge
opptrappingsprinsippet. Det er fordelaktig at byggene trappes opp mot Postgirobygget og
ned mot Akerselva."

..Asplan Viak on local climate around Oslo S.

hope this is the right thread....

and yes, frozen pond....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01426.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01427.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01432.jpg

woo hoo...
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01416.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01418.jpg

Good article by Lotte Sandberg in Aftenposten (http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentarer/Ikke-i-min-bakgrd-6699789.html) today where she refutes all the points from Niels Torps article and calls him a NIMBY.

Good article by Lotte Sandberg in Aftenposten (http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentarer/Ikke-i-min-bakgrd-6699789.html) today where she refutes all the points from Niels Torps article and calls him a NIMBY.

Well written. Torp is a curmudgeon.

Moved everything about Bispekilen to its own thread here, where i made some more informative posts in the two first posts.

Thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1462608

Nice to see that this is not longer a traffic area, but a "Anleggsområde"

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071631.jpg

Soon to be the best student housing in the city!:cheers:

For sure. Lucky students!

New name for stasjonsallmenningen bridge. The name committee has gotten around 50 proposals from the public, and they're left with two finalists.

"Flygende Hollender" and "Akrobaten".

Bydelsutvalget will decide on the 10th of november.

Can't really choose one over the other. I think Flygende hollender is a bit pompous and hard to use in everyday speech while akrobaten is a bit silly and sounds like a nickname rather than a real name. I probably prefer Flygende hollender.

So, Akrobaten (http://broer.no/bro/index.php?ID=64) it is. It was just chosen as the winner name. I think it's ok - nothing more, nothing less.

^^ I agree. It's ok but nothing that make me jump to the trapese :). As an aside - broer.no? Lol and I thought I was slightly nerdish (sometimes) :)

They aren'tt exactly bridge-nerds, when they are missing such important structures as Skarnsund bridge and Osterøy bridge, that datebase is worthless....

Nylandsbrua bridge:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0234.jpg

Once mighty ekspressway reduced to two lanes:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0249.jpg

Bispelokkets missing ramp:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0252.jpg

View from Operaroof:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0254.jpg

Prep for E18 widening at Kongshavn:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0298.jpg

I found an article related to building bridges in Bjørvika. One of the bridges is just described as a bridge for crossing Bjørvika. What kind of bridge is that? Where will it start and end? It is still only an option, but has it been proposed anywhere?

Here is the article (http://www.vareveger.no/article295417.ece).

Does anyone have information about any coherent plan for the waterfront? Now that the first part at Sørenga is ready, will this be the model to be followed? Ie. concrete, wood, rock, and absolutely lifeless (literally speaking, as in no greenery).

My favourite "seaside" (lakeside) walk is in Montreux, which is like a botanical garden 4 meters wide all along the central area.

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/6/4201227-The_lakeshore_Montreux_Montreux.jpg

photo: nyperose, at virtualtourist

Sure, even though this species of palm tree can grow in sheltered places in Norway, I doubt it will be successful here in Oslo. But a lot can be achieved with evergreens (firs, junipers, pines, etc) mixed with broad-leaves to make it green also in winter. I would love to see something like this in Oslo, but it seems like everything is planned to be pier-like, and just like Aker brygge is today. Very exposed, open, dead areas.. Am I the only one opposed to this?

I would like some greeneries too. :)

I see there will be the occasional spot of grass with a few trees on it, but this is also very typical; x meters of concrete, full stop, x meters of grass, with (same type of) trees places evenly every x meters, full stop, repeat cycle. Perhaps some greenery, but little life. And during winter, none at all. It doesn't have to be as baroque as in Montreux, but there are enough places in Oslo with grass, and mostly grass. Even along Akerselva have they (don't remember who) proposed to cut down a lot of the natural vegetation, to "bring in light and create openness", even if these trees are crucial for the life in the river itself.

I guess my point is not just more greenery, but more biodiversity, and less sterile application of it.

Greenery along the promenade is absolutely preferable. Plants and trees together with benches, some art, varied surface and view of water is the recipe for a successful urban space. And of course service, shopping and eating opportunities in the adjacent buildings in addition.

Greenery makes people associate to life, and giving them a relaxing feeling, subconsciously. Learned about this in school :)

I also agree there should be some nice greenery along the waterfront and that Bjørvika shouldn't turn out exactly like Aker Brygge in that regard.

Some greenery and maybe some flowers (in summer) will act to freshen up the area and like marshol says it will contribute to a more relaxing atmosphere.

Both eastern ramps are gone now!

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/sdfpokkofjes.jpg

^^They sure are!:cheers:

Lovely to be able to see the bar's in full body from a distance. Although, only for a few years...

Vil tvinge vegvesenet til å bruke penger på kunst (http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.7953595)

It says the venting towers never got the art it was supposed to get because of the funding. Didn't the artist himself get enough money to make it happen, or why is it still on hold?

Vil tvinge vegvesenet til å bruke penger på kunst (http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.7953595)

It says the venting towers never got the art it was supposed to get because of the funding. Didn't the artist himself get enough money to make it happen, or why is it still on hold?

I think he managed to get fundings for the actual investment, but I believe that the issue of maintainance wasn't in place. That may be why we still haven't seen anything.

Great news! After easter time, finally the apartments on top of DnB building which lies the most east will be put up for sale. Estimates in article and based on OSU communication, 20 mill Nkr for these superb penthouse terracce apartments. All to be very big apartments as well. http://www.na24.no/article3314325.ece

Here are also some pics from the article mentioned in the previos post (from NA24.no)

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DnB3.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DnB2.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DnB1.png

85 000 kr/sqm... :nuts:

If I took my entire savings I could buy space for a sink (someone has a spare sink?)

^^I can provide space for the oven! Maybe if enough SSC-ers combines?? I guess Mr. Holtet over here can provide with some cash as well.

I can provide a sink. And space for the mat in front of the shower (if it's small).

And since I didn't win the record big pot in Viking Lotto today, I can't contribute much either.

Hi everyone, I'm new here (despite the fact that I've been stalking this forum for about two years now just to keep up with the changing face of my native Oslo while studying abroad).

I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this, and its certainly not the right time, but I found the following comparison interesting. I'm not sure if you will agree with me, but I find that the similarities between the opera and the part of the Acropolis surrounding the Parthenon are too many to be just coincidental. So maybe Snøhetta was inspired by the Acropolis when they designed the opera? And maybe that is one reason why so many tourists are (maybe subconsciously) drawn to it. After all, everyone knows the Acropolis, even without having been there (as in my case).

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm referring to these similarities.
- the white marble (obviously)
- the layout of the buildings (squares and diagonals, with one big square in the middle (the Partenon)).
- The way the terrain slopes upwards on both sides of the Parthenon just like on the Opera, although granted, the sloping is steeper on the Opera.
- the way the box on top of the Opera ressembles one of the smaller tempes of the Acropolis in its dimensions and shape.
- The four columns standing directly behind the glass wall on the front of the Operahouse. This is in my opinion very reminiscent of the eight columns that are on the short side of the Parthenon.
- The way the Opera is transparent just like the Parthenon was at the time (one could see throught the columns to notice what was happening inside)


http://www.archaeo-pro.com.au/Photographs/Acropolis_model_steps.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/Marcoscars4life/Artistic/P4220841.jpg

^^
Personally, I find it difficult to see similarities. When reading your text I can see that it is possible to find some aspects that might be mirrored to some extent. I guess the scale and the columns behind the windows are the things that reminds me the most of the Parthenon when I look at the picture of the opera above. But that might be me trying to be forthcoming to your suggestion, more than actual similarity... :-)

I think the comparison is interesting. I don't think they consciously tried to copy the Parthenon. But I do think it's true that the Opera house makes an impression for some of the same reasons the Parthenon makes an impression. It's a very astute observation.

Lets hope the Venetians don't blow the opera up, though :)

It's approximately 2 years now since the stone plates started falling off the opera. This is still not fixed. How unimpressive!

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/03/15/nyheter/innenriks/opera/10869217/

:ohno:

Looks pretty good to me. Who's out there??

Looks pretty good to me. Who's out there??

Huh? What do you mean?

In the fjord. No ones out there... I just couldn't see the bother...

In the fjord. No ones out there... I just couldn't see the bother...

It's quite visible for people looking at the opera from the parking lot or from the other side of the water. Not to mention the fjordcruise boats.

It doesn't look good and shows a slightly disturbing inability to maintain such a building.
:ohno:

Klarsignal til fiskehall på Rådhusplassen i Oslo (http://www.aftenposten.no/incoming/Klarsignal-til-fiskehall-pa-Radhusplassen-i-Oslo-6762944.html#.Tz2McfFbqOs)
http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article6763104.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/FS00015882.jpg?updated=150220121439
Illustrasjon: 4b Arkitekter

^^Nice. It took Aftenposten just over two weeks more than me. They've certainly upp'ed their game!:eek:

Det er blitt minst like skrekkelig som vi forestilte oss (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Det-er-blitt-minst-like-skrekkelig-som-vi-forestilte-oss-6769064.html#.T0X45fWS9VM)

Aftenposten checks up with those who were against Barcode back in 2006. Nothing new, really. Most ardent opponents think it's horrible. Most positive supporters (owners) says it will be like Greenwich Village or the Paris latin quarters...

But, it does have a nice clickable graphic that gives an overview of all the buildings in one place.

Well, at least we know what the Aftenposten journalist thinks:nuts:

Hvor skal du få møte haien? (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article688476.ece)

My comment:
Jeg synes det hadde passet best på enten Vippetangen eller Filipstad. Bjørvika får med biblotek og opera nok attraksjoner uansett.

Skrekkscenariet - og fasiten om Barcode (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/Skrekkscenariet---og-fasiten-om-Barcode-6769521.html#.T0c0wfEaMsI)

– Dette viser at vi hadde rett, sier Barcode-kritikerne som laget sin egen illustrasjon av det omdiskuterte komplekset.

http://www.aftenposten.no/incoming/article6769555.ece/BINARY/w780/FS00017313.jpg

NIMBY breeding season, obviously...

New lowered bridge being built!

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241608.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241609.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241630.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241611.jpg


Look at the openness:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241610.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241629.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241633.jpg



http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241634.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241635.jpg

Another info-meeting, this time at VISMA-bygget. (Oh, how I wish they'll let people up in the top floor!:D) Tuesday March 13th from 18:00-19:30. Different actors in Bjørvika will tell about status, and what's up the next couple of years. Free for all:


Utbyggingen i Bjørvika - Status og planer framover

Tid: Tirsdag. 13.mars 2012, kl. 18:00-19:30

Sted: Visma-bygget (Dronning Eufemiasgate 16, Operakvarteret i Bjørvika)

Bjørvika Utvikling AS inviterer til åpent møte om utbyggingen i Bjørvika: Hvor langt har utbyggingen kommet? Hva er planene for 2012 - 2013? Hvordan kommer allmenningene til å bli? Blir det badeplasser? Og når får vi tilgang til havnepromenaden?

Geir Lynnebakken, daglig leder Bjørvika Utvikling AS, vil på vegne av alle utbyggerne i området gi en overordnet redegjørelse av status og planer for boligutbygging, infrastruktur, næringsarealene og de offentlige rommene i hele Bjørvika.

Rikke Brouer, Kommunikasjonsrådgiver Statens Vegvesen Region Øst (SVRØ) vil informere om planer for riksveiutbygging i Bjørvika, og om tilgangen til området for både busser, biler og myke trafikanter i tiden fremover.

Gratis adgang.

For spørsmål eller informasjon, send en mail til info@bjorvikautvikling.no.


Dette er en illustrasjon over hvordan Bjørvika omtrent kommer til å se ut når det er ferdig utbygd rundt 2020.
I utgangen av 2011 var ca. 10% av det totale utbyggingsarelaet for næring og bolig ferdigstilt.
Flere av bygningen i Operakvarteret, bl.a. Visma-bygget, er ferdig utbygget, og både privatpersoner og bedrifter har flyttet inn.


http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktuelt/13mars2012-informasjonsmote-om-bjorvika

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241635.jpg[/QUOTE]


This begins to look good ... can`t wait when the road is finished :)

Another info-meeting, this time at VISMA-bygget. (Oh, how I wish they'll let people up in the top floor!:D) Tuesday March 13th from 18:00-19:30. Different actors in Bjørvika will tell about status, and what's up the next couple of years. Free for all:




http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktuelt/13mars2012-informasjonsmote-om-bjorvika

I've mailed Bjørvika utvikling about letting us up at the roof terrace of VIsma, and they are positive about the idea, but it comes down to if it'll be possible after working hours. Hopefully I'll get an answer Monday or Tuesday, but eitherway, it will be an interesting meeting!:)

^^ da bør dere ha med litt bedre kamera enn de mobilene dere drasser i rundt med, når dere først får komme opp dit! :D

speaking of cameras, wonder if osu keeps all shots from their bjørvika webcam somewhere, or just discard them as new ones are taken. it would make a very nice timelapse in the end. hell, even a timelapse up until now would be nice!

^^ I save some every once in awhile, but not with equal intervals, only when there's been notable changes.

It would be best if the Munch museum ends up in the plot destined for the KHM in Bjørvika! Small chances of getting the vikingships there, so better aim for Munch. Great attraction along DEG!

Even if the ships don't move, I still think the rest of KHM will move. Those two aren't mutually dependent.

I've mailed Bjørvika utvikling about letting us up at the roof terrace of VIsma, and they are positive about the idea, but it comes down to if it'll be possible after working hours. Hopefully I'll get an answer Monday or Tuesday, but eitherway, it will be an interesting meeting!:)

I've been to that roof terrace, and it's not so impressive. I would rather recommend the roof terrace on KLP building. There you have 360 degrees view over all of Oslo :)

I hope this is relevant. I thought it was cool but I didn't know where to post it. So for anyone who has ever played Sim City, built miniature railways, or who likes beautiful footage of Oslo, Anno 2012:

http://vimeo.com/39470129

I've been to that roof terrace, and it's not so impressive. I would rather recommend the roof terrace on KLP building. There you have 360 degrees view over all of Oslo :)

You're inviting me, then?:happy:

edit: cancel this post, mistake..

Groundwork and piling at DEG:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P4181611.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P4181612.jpg

This may be interesting:

Tittel: Parallelloppdrag om Havnepromenaden i Oslo

Kunngjøringstype: Kunngjøring av plan- og designkonkurranse

Utdrag: Det skal gjennomføres et parallelloppdrag om utarbeidelse av Prinsipplan for Utforming av Havnepromenaden i Oslo. Prinsipplanen skal sikre en helhetlig og sammenhengende utforming av Havnepromenaden. Det vises ellers til vedlagte kunngjøringsdokumenter.

http://www.doffin.no/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR177048

Hm, any way to get hold of the konkurransegrunnlag without pretending to be a consulting agency?

^^Not the way I know Doffin. You'd need to ask for innsyn at PBE, most likely at their physical offices in Vahls gate. And even then, the may claim "saksforberedelse".

Just as well to create an own thread for this building as it seems theyre moving along for the moment.

Pictures and info collected from Plan- og bygningsetatens pages. A lot more technical drawings also available.

Worth to mention is that the other side of this building is to be all glass it seems. More or less.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Bjrvika_felt_A14.png

What do you think guys? To recent to feel something for me yet here, but ideally i would more appreciate a taller and perhaps smaller footprint of this building. and closer to the railways. And i really hope they include shops in 1st floor and not just a smaller HQ.

:banana::bash:

^^ sorry, i really don't think we need threads for all these smallest projects, so i moved it to this thread.

Anyway, about the building, looks awful from this side. Don't you have the other drawning?

The building gets uglier for every new render. Now they want to copy the design of Oslo atrium?

Omg.

Lots of drawings, but only one good render in the casefile: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3467478

My contribution: :puke:

Strange, wasn't that the building rendered with red bricks earlier? I wasn't jumping for joy about that one either, but even that looked better or at least more interesting, than this new render did.

^^I think you're confusing two projects. The previous propsal for this building was a glass-box. The red-brick building is in B13, part of the barcodes: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1010083

This appears to a real troublesome location. We are so bad at planning in this country/city. Who thought that Hotel Opera and Oslo Atrium would make a suitable entrance to fjordcity? They're not far from ruining big parts of DEG. And people complain about barcode..

Anyways, this looks like Oslo Atrium's little beach house, so I guess there's some symmetry given that also the hotel has a mini-me next to it. I don't really see a solution; maybe a tall, slim apartment complex could have suited, but it would break with many principles, so it's not realistic. If they just bulldozed Opera and Atrium, and gave the owners sqm in the height..

I think it looks fine. I was surprised that something would be built there at all. Seems sleek enough. The ground floor does not contribute anything to the public in general which is a shame, but appart from that it gets my "approval". I am assuming the material quality will be good.

^^Cladding is the same as Oslo atrium: http://kart.finn.no/?lng=10.75557&lat=59.90843&zoom=17&mapType=finnvector&streetview=true&svx=262687.50098369&svy=6648845.8684517&sa=8.5825024404383&sp=12.016463198019167&streetViewState=1

It so not that bad! A tall one would make a mess out of Oslo Atrium. Better to have one that is not competing with Atrium, only completing it. Western side of nylandsveien/bridge is not going to a real part of Barcode anyway. Go for this one, but I would like a project from Thon/Watrium over the entrance for the Oslo S parking. A sharp, thin, tall, black officebuilding in between the hotel and Atrium to fill in, in a cool way though.

It just looks out of place! Change the massive brick wall facing to the street (!) and make it twice the height, it could be interesting. But thumbs down from over here..

On the other hand, i think Hotel Oprea is not as bad as bad as other stuff being built! :runaway: It has some rather ugly features yes, but it is non intrusive with some classical lines and urban qualities. And the fake marble thing will match the opera in some years! The Atrium is such a UGLY monster it would even look shit in Nydalen. Very hostile. Ugh.. It needs to go.

And by the way, the ground floor is supposed to be a cafe...

Great fun! I like Atrium better than the opera hotel! Atrium has a silent calmness over it. Quiet and classic design, yet big. A bit boring, but it could have been there for ages.
Opera hotel is at best just wrong, cheap, and basically gives me nothing. Give me a refurbishment with black glass instead of the horrible staircases on the southpart, and i will accept it.

^^ I hear you on the cheapness part and totally agree, Maybe and Thon has built cheap to rebuild in the future, maybe even not too long ? (hope)

I agree that the atrium has some decent court like / tyrrell bulding ellements to it but I find it far too alienating and the sides makes it look like it belongs in a industrial estate or business park... imo

Comparing the two in google street (Atrium with least favorable angle)
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/sagittariius/Screenshot2012-04-26at111816PM.pnghttp://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/sagittariius/Screenshot2012-04-26at111528PM.png

both rather rubbish but i find Thon less so due to urban qualities.

^^ I agree. The Atrium just looks like a bland, massive box. It really don't deserve the spot close to such great modern architecture like the Opera and soon the new library. Hotel Opera manages to its size rather well at least.

I still think Atrium solves the office block question better than the Thon hotell solves the hotel issue.

And the fake marble thing will match the opera in some years!

Fake marble? It is a type of stone. Not fake anything.

Anyway, the hotell has a good entrance/ground floor with a nice big classic hotell lobby and bar. It's the floors from 1st and up that looks bad.

Fake marble? It is a type of stone. Not fake anything.

i stand corrected.

I agree with callsign that Atrium is the least ugly building as a stand-alone, but it has little to do in the new Bjørvika bydel, and in comparison to the Barcode-buildings, it's just an ugly, massive box, that belongs in Bryn/Helsfyr/Nydalen. It's such an irony that Torp is among barcode's strongest critics, when he's responsible for Atrium.

The Hotel Opera, to me, is just unbearably ugly and cheap, especially seen from a distance. The ground floor is okay, but it just crashes when it tries to emulate two towers and a setback in between. The lines are really awkward, in my opinion.

i think they've planned this back to front - why not have the curving glass side facing out onto the road, following the curve of the up ramp? who wants a big glass wall facing the atrium when it sould be facing the opera and the sea and ekeberg?

30 seconds work in PSP and it already looks better...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/Image2.jpg

Then it reminds of the brutally ugly "older" parts of Oslo City.

i think they've planned this back to front - why not have the curving glass side facing out onto the road, following the curve of the up ramp? who wants a big glass wall facing the atrium when it sould be facing the opera and the sea and ekeberg?

30 seconds work in PSP and it already looks better...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/Image2.jpg

Indeed my thoughts exactly..! why have the brick wall to the street??

Vegvesenet wants to begin construction of the bridge carrying DEG over Akerselva, but they struggle to get through the formalities of bureaucracy (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3519154).

Earlier they estimated construction start in february/march and finalization within the end of the year, but we won't see anything of akerselva until the entire allmenning is finished. (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3335154). Additionally they stipulated that DEG east of akerselva should be finished and taken in use by autumn 2013. That's surprisingly soon to me. Would be great.

The bridge over Akerselva will have an enlighted walking path beneath it following akerselva, as part of akerselva-allmenningen.

Vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Vikingskipene-blir-pa-Bygdoy-6819691.html#.T6JBxqs9XPc)

Vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Vikingskipene-blir-pa-Bygdoy-6819691.html#.T6JBxqs9XPc)

I'm not sure that this is the best way to show off the ships, and the difference in risks were minimal as far as I can tell of the statistics. The idea of "mideavel town Oslo" had grown a lot of me, with the idea to combine viking ships and the ruins in Bjørvika/old Oslo. It could've been an international hub for showing of Norwegian culture and Vikings.

^^ I agree.

I'm not going to contest any conclusions regarding the security of the viking ships, but as far as I can tell, the experts agreed that any kind of risk for any kind of "damage" or "belastning" was completely unacceptable. I understand that the ships are important enough to justify that view, but maybe they should have weighed it against the amount of people that will visit the ships. The interiors of the viking ship museum is great imo, but the museum remains in the periphery, almost likea curiousity. I would love to have seen a high quality and much visited museum centre of viking goodies and medieval stuff in gamlebyen. Bygdøy can't and don't want to handle that many people anyway.

But, if this is not going to appear like a parody, they will have to build a new building for the ships, cause the report clearly states that in the long run it's more of a risk to keep them in the old building than moving them into a new in Bjørvika.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/021-2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/023-2.jpg

http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article6822820.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/FS00026811.jpg?updated=080520120929

http://www.aftenposten.no/bolig/Deler-ut-gratis-hageflekker-i-Bjorvika-6822027.html#.T6lIruj87Zc

- Gir bort hageflekker i Bjørvika

They will only last for three years, though.

Nice. The area desperately needs something green.

Status on shopping/leasure areas in Operakvarteret: http://www.nenyheter.no/39390

From Byggeindustrien:

AF-jobb i Bjørvika

AF Gruppen (AFG) er innstilt som entreprenør for kontrakt K108-1 Broer og konstruksjoner i Bjørvika for Bjørvika Infrastruktur AS.

Av: Byggeindustrien | Publisert: 06.06.2012 13:30 | Sist endret: 06.06.2012 13:44
Kontrakten omhandler bro over Akerselva samt opsjon på bro over Operaallmenningen og bro over Bispekilen.

Arbeidene starter opp i oktober 2012 og ferdigstilles sommeren 2014. Kontrakten, inklusive opsjoner, har en verdi på ca. MNOK 100 eks. mva.

- AF Gruppen har siden 2010 vært etablert på Sørenga med Bjørvika Infrastruktur AS som kunde. Vi ser frem til å ta fatt på et nytt og spennende oppdrag for en viktig kunde i Oslo, sier Pål Egil Rønn, konsernsjef i AF Gruppen.

http://www.bygg.no/2012/06/90176.0

Styret for kulturhistorisk museum går nå inn for at de skal fortsette der de er. Det vil si at vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy som mer eller mindre er avklart, og at museet blir værende på Tullinløkka. Det vil i praksis si at det ikke blir noe flytting til Bjørvika og DEG. Dermed har Bjørvika mistet to store attraksjoner på 6mnd. Nå sitter vi igjen med operaen og biblioteket...

Munch-museet kommer snikende tilbake når Hagen og Co har fått tilfredstilt markeringsbehovet sitt. Om det blir Lambda eller et annet bygg er vel for tidlig å si, men forløpet i Bjørvika bør få konsekvenser for samspillet mellom politisk beslutningsprosess og den kreative, arkitektoniske prosessen. Utenlandske arkitekter har kritisert det offentlige for å være for detaljstyrende, blant annet. Når vi er så heldige, at vi har et økonomisk klima som tillater at utbyggere bruker store summer på dyre arkitekter, må vi la dem få bruke kreativiteten sin. Alternativet er Thon-arkitektur, men kanskje PBE og nimby-bevegelsene foretrekker det? Det kan virke slik.

Vi kan i hvert fall ikke havne i en situasjon der den åpenbart beste løsningen, nemlig å la Munch få en prominent plass i Bjørvika, stoppes fordi bystyret skal være smakspoliti. I så fall må bystyret for fremtiden godkjenne det arkitektoniske uttrykket før konkurransevinneren blir offentliggjort, slik at det blir mulig å velge et nytt forslag.

Alternativet er Thon-arkitektur, men kanskje PBE og nimby-bevegelsene foretrekker det? Det kan virke slik.

Given what these foreign architects usually draws: Yes, I would rather have Thons buildings.

I referred to foreign architects since they have some background to evaluate how we do things in Oslo/Norway, but I'm sure the norwegian firms could have said the same things. I could only find one source for this, which was from archdaily's review of the best places for architects at the moment, where Norway was mentioned positively. The downside was the building processes/bureaucracy, the way I interpreted the comment.

Anyways, the point wasn't to create a schism between foreign architects and cheap architects, but rather expensive, ambitious architecture and cheap, pragmatic architecture.

I'm not going to enter another lengthy discussion on what's the better architecture in Oslo, the "foreign one" or the Thon one. We just have to disagree.

I don't really care about whether or not the building is ambitious and expensive when it end up being as ugly as the new Dnb Nor building for example. I then thinks it better to build it cheap and fast if we are going ruin the city anyway. Thons building can at least be pulled down anytime without any larger protests.

News about the Fjord-walk, especially the section from Operaalmenningen/Oslo S to Festningsalmenningen/Vippetangen http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktuelt/langkaia-og-andre-offentlige-rom-i-bjorvika-tar-form/f71e444f-8685-456a-a545-f5e26cff836a/1


Some renders as well:
http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/ShowCMImage.ashx?size=o&FileInstanceId=572058e8-0640-4613-a94d-ad9ce871553e

http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/ShowCMImage.ashx?size=o&FileInstanceId=67e3fccf-74c5-4540-9ee3-20bea3b06d01

All will be done by next easter. Other stuff are also close to be done, Wismargata and the sidewalks in Trelastgata.

^^ They will use asphalt? That's a bummer. :( I thought I had seen renders from the fjordtram project with tiles?

^^ They will use asphalt? That's a bummer. :( I thought I had seen renders from the fjordtram project with tiles?

You have:
http://www.prosjekt-fjordbyen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/fjordbykontoret%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Internett%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Bilder/Byrom%20i%20Bj%C3%B8rvika/Langkaia_HP-Future_sit.jpg

Looks significantly better. I can bear it if they mix it up with granite tiles, but if it turns out to be mostly asphalt then I will be quite disapointed.

^^ They will use asphalt? That's a bummer. :( I thought I had seen renders from the fjordtram project with tiles?

I know. All over downtown they're renovating and shifting to granite. Bjørvika utvikling is obviously trying to save money, and I don't understand why the city let them. The whole landscaping plan seems to be skewed poles and random trees.

You have:
http://www.prosjekt-fjordbyen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/fjordbykontoret%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Internett%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Bilder/Byrom%20i%20Bj%C3%B8rvika/Langkaia_HP-Future_sit.jpg

Looks significantly better. I can bear it if they mix it up with granite tiles, but if it turns out to be mostly asphalt then I will be quite disapointed.
This illustration belongs to Ruter#, and the only thing it "shows" is what's related to that company: Where the tram will go.

Looks much better anyway. I was under the impression that it was going to be like that. Sad to see that's not the case.

Not exactly feeling the spruce/pine/whatever it is, at this location. Maybe it's easier to get things approved if they make it look like a forest? I mean, why?

Not exactly feeling the spruce/pine/whatever it is, at this location. Maybe it's easier to get things approved if they make it look like a forest? I mean, why?

hmm.. I've earlier been vocal about the need to think october-april also when planting trees, but this looks a bit strange, I agree. While I like it to be green year-round, there are many options if you don't want it to look like Koppang. Cypress, cedars, redwood, lower types of firs. In general, I think it's nice to think more "strip of botanical gardens" than to always just throw the same 2-3 types of trees everywhere. Also, trees right along the water makes it appear less cold. It's not always sunny in Oslo.

Again, what I would like to see more of: (montreux, switzerland)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OjPVWeR2MzA/TOVgkv8PhxI/AAAAAAAAAl0/CwskS_gE6fM/s1600/IMG_0421.jpg
pic: alpenglo at blogspot, sorry for the large size

Not exactly feeling the spruce/pine/whatever it is, at this location. Maybe it's easier to get things approved if they make it look like a forest? I mean, why?

I think it's similar to what they're doing with Eufemias gate. They want a mixture of trees to represent "mangfold" or something like that.

I think it's similar to what they're doing with Eufemias gate. They want a mixture of trees to represent "mangfold" or something like that.

DEG looks quite polished (and good) to me. Same type of trees on each row. Political statements as an integral part of city design sounds like a bad idea.

http://nikuarkeologi.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/eufemias-gate-plan.jpg

Its a article about it here. (http://www.dn.no/d2/article2265844.ece)

Hele seks hundre trær av seksti forskjellige sorter skal fordeles. I Dronning Eufemias gate skal man kunne vandre gjennom verden fra lund til lund og lese om trærne på plaketter.

– Det blir en botanisk gate som speiler det 21. århundrets mangfold av alle som kommer for å bosette seg i Oslo, sier Stange.

– Du kan spasere fra de asiatiske trærne i øst til de amerikanske trærne i vest.

It sounds pretty cool.

Its a article about it here. (http://www.dn.no/d2/article2265844.ece)

It sounds pretty cool.

Indeed, I didn´t know about this. Very good.

With reference to the discussion regarding the pavement at Langkaia it seems there is to be a "zone for movement" with asphalt. It's to be about 4-6 meters wide and closest to the docks. Byantikvaren actually seems to recommend asphalt here. Outside this area there will be dark granite.

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3555603

^^ That's more like it. It's easier and smoother with asphalt for "rolling people" (bikes, wheelchairs, strollers, etc), but good to hear it won't cover the whole promenade

lat week. could also see that theyre coming along with the white spanish marble on the final DnB building now.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0359.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0360.jpg

Unsure if i ever put this picture out there. At least i got it from the architects home page. It is mainly a conceptual design IF Schibsted were to move to Bjørvika. I believe this is the exact location of the building, but unsure of whether how serious or real this actual design is.

looks cool though.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/SchibstediBjrvika.jpg

Looks like a extremely bland glass box ... No fan.

Unsure if i ever put this picture out there. At least i got it from the architects home page. It is mainly a conceptual design IF Schibsted were to move to Bjørvika. I believe this is the exact location of the building, but unsure of whether how serious or real this actual design is.

looks cool though.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/SchibstediBjrvika.jpg

That looks sweet. I'm not a fan of glassbuildings, but this looks elegant with the touch of colour boxes inside. Interesting!

DEG looks quite polished (and good) to me. Same type of trees on each row. Political statements as an integral part of city design sounds like a bad idea.

http://nikuarkeologi.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/eufemias-gate-plan.jpg

Looks really good, but of course there are things that doesn't really work for me. The trees in the front will block the sigh-line too the sea and therefore must go. The same trees also block the view of the tram when cars should to a left turn. Would be better with a raised flowerbed of some sort.

Unsure if i ever put this picture out there. At least i got it from the architects home page. It is mainly a conceptual design IF Schibsted were to move to Bjørvika. I believe this is the exact location of the building, but unsure of whether how serious or real this actual design is.

looks cool though.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/SchibstediBjrvika.jpg

And which architect may that be? A-lab?

Remind you that we are currently only in the begining of the regulation planning, and lots of details remains to be specified. This schedule was made by Civitas a month ago, and shows different steps of the process: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3581117
Note B7 is part of "Bispevika nord", and also the thread "Bispevika" here at SSC: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1462608

Wismargata was said to be done during June, and is probably already opened and available to the public(?)
http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/ShowCMImage.ashx?size=o&FileInstanceId=b12c2bf2-f7d8-4496-9093-84091f47d31f

Edit: frozen milk product has already covered this, just thought I'd add the picture. Source:http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktuelt/langkaia-og-andre-offentlige-rom-i-bjorvika-tar-form/f71e444f-8685-456a-a545-f5e26cff836a/1

That's a depressive street scape.

^^ :hm: Are you coming out of the nimby closet?

It's a mere side street anyways.

^^ :hm: Are you coming out of the nimby closet?

It's a mere side street anyways.
I'm nimby against street scape like the above yes, but I'm yimby towards demolishing street scape like the above afterwards though. Everybody are either nimby to a certain degree or just plain stupid. Not every development is for the better. I don't think this was.

And I didn't think it was a secret that I didn't like gray and massive buildings like this and streets without trees. I thought I've said it pretty much the whole time?

Haha, It's okay. I'm just sensing an increasing amount of negativity towards modern architecture, but maybe I'm wrong.

Being a Yimby doesn't mean you have to say yes to every development, but being a nimby means that there's a strictly defined pattern to which developments one says no to, such as no to anything new, urban, tall, demanding, big, transforming etc etc nearby. It wasn't serious anyways, as I know that you support other projects that are definitely not nimby.

Not every development is for the better. I don't think this was.

Parking lot > Operakvarteret ??

Haha, It's okay. I'm just sensing an increasing amount of negativity towards modern architecture, but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm against fat, gray buildings, cheap modern architecture, completely random placement of highrises, glassboxes and buildings I simply don't like for whatever reason. I think I have been quite consistent on commenting negative on stuff like that and positive on the things I do like. But you're right to a certain degree: When I see more and more glassboxes and similar lazy designs getting proposed and compares them to buildings built in the late 19th and early 20th century, then there is a growing wish inside me that we would just abolish everything and reset architecture back one hundred years. It's especially frustrating seeing all the wasted opportunities when I myself got so many good (according to myself of course) ideas on how it should be.



Parking lot > Operakvarteret ??
I mainly against the DnB Nor buildings. I still believe and hope that MADs building will turn out nice, even though I have feeling that it will be drowned by the surrounding blocks.

Wismargata looks like an ok, normal street to me. But of course, for a downtown street, this will be boring and dead without no shops or other services in the buildings and no vegetation. Bonus for stone pavements instead of asphalt.

I think architecture-wise, Wismargata is looking quite good. But from a urban perspective, it's imperfect, especially since it was added quite late in the project. Operakvarteret wasn't supposed to have any "tverrgater". The main principle of Operakvarteret is the indoor shopping-passage, leading you from under PWC to Lund Hagem-kvartalet. Probably it will make some sort of life in Wismargata as well, but not a lot.

Hopefully, Wismargata will continue south of DEg, and therefor be a bit more attractive.

I dont get why the architects haven't made any first floor design. It doesn't matter that it isn't supposed to have shops towards the street, it should at least had some different pattern, bigger windows etc. Anything to break the repeating pattern from going straight to the ground. Like it is now, it looks like a suburban office building towards Wismargata.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7253/7449829352_2c6e9e3984_b.jpg
From today

A found this render of a possible re-development of Sjursøya in Aftenposten from 2006. Is this still going on? I thought Oslo Havn would use that part for all foreseeable future?

http://www.aftenposten.no/migration_catalog/article6026191.ece/BINARY/w380/Plansjer+060418.indd-a07ormsund0706.jpg

A found this render of a possible re-development of Sjursøya in Aftenposten from 2006. Is this still going on? I thought Oslo Havn would use that part for all foreseeable future?

http://www.aftenposten.no/migration_catalog/article6026191.ece/BINARY/w380/Plansjer+060418.indd-a07ormsund0706.jpg

The faith of Sydhavna was sealed quite late, but they've decided now to stop the Fjordcity-project at the Alnaelv-outlet.

I think there still are some plans for Bekkelaget, but not to such an extension as your render shows.

Dronning Eufemias gate og Akerselva skrider frem. River meets new glorious paradestreet.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0414.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0411.jpg

Great, thanks. Too bad the Osu-webcam is fucked again. It's a nice little updater.

Looks really good, but of course there are things that doesn't really work for me. The trees in the front will block the sigh-line too the sea and therefore must go. The same trees also block the view of the tram when cars should to a left turn. Would be better with a raised flowerbed of some sort.

I don't think it will be much of a problem. The render in this PDF has a more detailed view of how the trees/plants will look when the road is finished: http://osu.no/fileadmin/user_upload/dokumenter/oslos_nye_paradegate.pdf

will there be a new tram stop along this stretch or are they just going to stick with jernbanetorget and munkegate?

There will be a new stop in Dronning Eufemias Gate. Not sure if it will be named DEG or Bjørvika.

http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika/Bygatene/Dronning+Eufemias/_image/230983.png?_encoded=2f66666666666678302f35382f&_ts=130ad8bfa90
http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika/Bygatene/Dronning+Eufemias

Great, thanks. Too bad the Osu-webcam is fucked again. It's a nice little updater.

It sure is. i don't understand why this has to be so difficult. I'm sure OSU could afford a camera like we had during the Holmenkollen development..

Deloitte building topped out in front with exterior now. not in the back!

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0504.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0507.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0506.jpg

Sweet. Thanks for the pics. Now that I know that my expectations for the isfjellet cladding are met, I can't wait to see the taller backside done. Hopefully they will begin soon.

Two new images of Barcode:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/Barcode24072012.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/Barcode224072012.jpg

Seen all this in person on Wednesday, man, what an awesome sight the Oslo waterfront now is. Sure, it's messy at the moment, but once this is done, it will look very, very good, IMO.

I wonder when the Bjørvika webcam (http://osu.no/bjorvika-i-dag/now.jpg) will get fixed. It's been out of business for weeks now. The footage from this cam can be used to create an interesting time lapse video in a few years, so long lasting disruptions should be avoided.

Not sure if this is the right thread, but anyway, a terrible decision by the Public Roads Administration, Statens vegvesen:
Eksostårna blir ståande som dei er http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.8274704

^^It's a freakin parody. Vegvesen has my hate in this case. What morons:ohno:

poor planning, sucks...

I am pretty sure it's part of the plans!
Present a project showing towers covered with fancy lighting, to make it easier on the eye, and get approval from the authorities. Then later pretend to "withdraw" the lighting, and make silly excuses.

Ringnes wants a cable car up to his restaurant and sculpture park. Surprise me that his not forking up the money for this art work.

I can't wrap my head around why it should be so expensive to maintain. LED-lighting rarely has to be changed. It's more or less just to high-preasure wash it two times a year, just as Vegvesenet already does with their tunnels.

^^ Agree, it did not need to be so expensive as they claim it to be :bash:

I have often wondered what is wrong with many of those people who are in power. So many stupid decisions that have been committed through the years, what will be next? These towers with the special lighting could have been a great attraction for Oslo and Norway, outstanding beautiful, but now ... argh!!

I'm not usually pro tagging, but in this case I hope somebody tags down the towers so they can shine in their uglyness as a symbol of retarded leadership...

I agree. Though I hated (!) the artwork presented for the towers I really view this case with suspicion. Now Statens Veivesen has been able to construct the towers, cancel the artwork and send cash to Bjørvika Utvikling to get rid of the problem. They should be held responsible for the aesthetics concerning these towers, as was dictated in the development authorizations. As I overheard from another intance, even cladding them with a reflective stainless steel would make them much better. That's certainly cheap to maintain.

Statens Veivesen is pulling the same trick out of their hat with regards to the Sørenga bridge. It stands there halfways done because they don't feel obliged to tear down the whole bridge when building a conflicting road. That's good news for people wanting some Øya-music for free, but bad for Oslo. PBE sees this as Statens Veivesens responsibility, but it's going to be interesting to see where this ends. Again they are trying to pass the bill over to 'Oslo kommune'.

I'm not usually pro tagging, but in this case I hope somebody tags down the towers so they can shine in their uglyness as a symbol of retarded leadership...

indeed. This is a shame, lets shame them even more.. I honestly thought when i moved back to oslo in '08 after many years abroad that these towers were the start of something new - not the finished product!!

One can however claim, although somewhat sarcastically, that the towers represent Oslo building tradition. Completely without proper planning and only focusing on problem solving. We will never have a city that resembles the likes of Copenhagen or Stockholm. We might as well celebrate this ugliness in some bizarre manner. I think we on this forum represent the most of the citys population that care and we are too few to be heard.

My personal idea for the place is to build a national arena for climbing, for the one at least, and maybe a viewing tower for the other, ^^yes some simple paint and cladding might do the trick .. Oslo has a sports profile already so think the chances of a hearing for this is there.. Ok it wont be pretty but at least they will be useful for climbers in Oslo omegn..!

Aftenposten on the case (10.08.12):

Dette blir ingen pryd for Bjørvika (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/--Dette-blir-ingen-pryd-for-Bjorvika-6962483.html)

Dont get me wrong. I love this city, my home and place of birth. But i guess so despite of its lack of planning and full of half executed terrible planning. I have somewhat given up on this city pulling itself together and executing something nice.

This whole area will most likely end up ugly as hell if sørenga is anything to measure the future by. I walked around there the other day and i my stomach almost turned.. Mini exclusive suburbs for the rich - a copy of pilestedet park. Little to nothing for the people who live anywhere else. Lets face it - Oslo has always had these issues and. And lets embrace it somehow! :nuts:

I hear you.. we are/have been bad at planning (in general), and we aren't especially urban minded.

The farming/fishing culture and mind set will be stuck with us for a couple of hundred years I guess.

But I can't believe that we have heard the last word in the tower situation. Something has to be done.

The farming/fishing culture and mind set will be stuck with us for a couple of hundred years I guess.
I am a country boy with a fishing culture and mind set, so that should be no excuse for these people in authority. So say it like it is and that is; simply plain stupidity.
If I could decide here, then the walls would look something like this, but not advertising of products, rather spectacular large luminous images, large video screens with the Norwegian countryside, towns and villages, cultural buildings, polar bears, yes you name it ... And the money is there, this is, after all, Norway.
I heard some years ago that they used public funds (taxpayer money) to renovate old castles in Eastern Europe that joined the EU and it was in the billions. I could go on and on but the point should be clear ... pure stupidity of the authorities, no less!

Still allowed to daydream, I hope :yes:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6675552743_774ef87456_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rogersg/6675552743/sizes/l/

Didn't the artist find the needed money himself some time ago, as mentioned?

I just came home from Vienna (photo thread coming soon ;)), a very nice and well-kept city. The parks, squares, streets facades, sculptures; like in a museum. When i come home and read this kind of news, i feel rather ashamed that we can't make the city shine. It's way too much bureaucracy, money issues and slow actions in this country.

I wonder when the Bjørvika webcam (http://osu.no/bjorvika-i-dag/now.jpg) will get fixed. It's been out of business for weeks now. The footage from this cam can be used to create an interesting time lapse video in a few years, so long lasting disruptions should be avoided.

The sad thing is that both the Sørenga cam and the Tjuvholmen cam has freezed as well. Summer holiday among "webcam workers"? lol

As usual, open day in Bjørvika will be the last Sunday of August. Join the Facebook-event today! http://www.facebook.com/events/242665179178732/

I'm guessing the full program is going to be published soon. Eitherway, we know there will be firetrucks!:D

^^The short story:

guidet båttur
høydepunkter fra ni års arkeologiske undersøkelser i Bjørvika
rundtur med minitog
prøvesitte brannbil og møt brannkonstabler
kjør hydrogenbuss
møt byplanleggerne - spør om planer og prosjekter
åpen dag i Operaen
se modeller av utbyggingen
se Sørenga ta form, se hvordan leilighetene blir
hvordan blir Havnepromenaden?
besøk Herligheten parsellhager
hva skjer med nytt Deichmanske hovedbibliotek?
ansiktsmaling
og mye mer..

And the full story: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20%28PBE%29/Internett%20%28PBE%29/Bilder/2012/2012%20Program%20%C3%85pen%20dag.pdf

The opera also has it's own program: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20%28PBE%29/Internett%20%28PBE%29/Bilder/2012/2012%20Operaen%20Flyer-Program.pdf


The weather looks rather sketchy, but one can always hope.

indeed. This is a shame, lets shame them even more.. I honestly thought when i moved back to oslo in '08 after many years abroad that these towers were the start of something new - not the finished product!!

One can however claim, although somewhat sarcastically, that the towers represent Oslo building tradition. Completely without proper planning and only focusing on problem solving. We will never have a city that resembles the likes of Copenhagen or Stockholm. We might as well celebrate this ugliness in some bizarre manner. I think we on this forum represent the most of the citys population that care and we are too few to be heard.

My personal idea for the place is to build a national arena for climbing, for the one at least, and maybe a viewing tower for the other, ^^yes some simple paint and cladding might do the trick .. Oslo has a sports profile already so think the chances of a hearing for this is there.. Ok it wont be pretty but at least they will be useful for climbers in Oslo omegn..!

Aftenposten on the case (10.08.12):

Dette blir ingen pryd for Bjørvika (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/--Dette-blir-ingen-pryd-for-Bjorvika-6962483.html)

Dont get me wrong. I love this city, my home and place of birth. But i guess so despite of its lack of planning and full of half executed terrible planning. I have somewhat given up on this city pulling itself together and executing something nice.

This whole area will most likely end up ugly as hell if sørenga is anything to measure the future by. I walked around there the other day and i my stomach almost turned.. Mini exclusive suburbs for the rich - a copy of pilestedet park. Little to nothing for the people who live anywhere else. Lets face it - Oslo has always had these issues and. And lets embrace it somehow! :nuts:

FFS! "Norge er de brutte planers land..." But this is possibly the most stupid broken promise thus far. The towers have such a central position in Bjørvika, and giving them some kind of interesting expression seems like the easiest and most noticeable positive change one could make. And the LEDs would have looked great! How they reached the conclusion that it would be too expensive is beyond me. LEDs are supposed to require almost no maintenance at all! But the worst part of it is how they proceed to drop everything: "Ah, too expensive? Fuck it then. Give the money we were given specifically for this project to some other artsy folks and leave us alone." It makes my blood boil how these paper pushers don't seem to have the slightest hint of innovation encoded in their DNA, yet they are the ones calling the shots! At least they could have invited some graffiti artists, which would have been virtually free!

FFS! "Norge er de brutte planers land..." But this is possibly the most stupid broken promise thus far. The towers have such a central position in Bjørvika and giving them some kind of interesting expression seems like the easiest yet most noticeable positive change one could make. And the LEDs would have looked great! How they reached the conclusion that it would be too expensive is beyond me. LEDs are supposed to require almost no maintenance at all, but the worst part of it is that proceed to drop everything: "Ah, too expensive? Fuck it then. Give the money delegated specifically to this project to some other artsy folks and leave us alone." It makes my blood boil how these paper pushers don't seem to have the slightest hint of innovation encoded in their DNA, yet they are the ones calling the shots! At least they could have invited some graffiti artists, which would have been virtually free!

I think it is almost suspicious that one of the cheaper alternatives from the decoration proposals where considered to get within the limit of the budget.

If the LEDs are too expensive then I am sure there where other proposals that had a lower cost and also not a continued maintenance cost beyond what the Towers themselves have.

I attended Open Day in Bjørvika today, and here are some of the pictures I captured.
Still struggle to get used to the dark bricks and those white balconies. I also wonder how people manage to live out there. No public transportation, no grocery store, no nothing ...probably for years to come...

http://oi47.tinypic.com/2lu54bn.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/io2r91.jpg

http://oi46.tinypic.com/xavpe9.jpg

http://oi45.tinypic.com/b80ieu.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/awvwva.jpg

http://oi45.tinypic.com/24whroo.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/245zw47.jpg

http://oi46.tinypic.com/i3yst1.jpg

http://oi46.tinypic.com/k4zedg.jpg

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2a8qckl.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/mbtuep.jpg

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2e2e3iu.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/k382t1.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/2ez1wxz.jpg

more DEG...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/5db559d7.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/8cb900f3.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/eee7bd56.jpg

I attended Open Day in Bjørvika today, and here are some of the pictures I captured.
Still struggle to get used to the dark bricks and those white balconies. I also wonder how people manage to live out there. No public transportation, no grocery store, no nothing ...probably for years to come...

http://oi45.tinypic.com/24whroo.jpg



Boats/ships like this really adds to the atmosphere in a positive way. I hope a lot of ships like this will make Bjørvika their "home port".

I still think the area is growing to look fantastic - apart from the fact that the central park is developing into a huge playground. I happen to really like the dark bricks and the general designs of the area. Especially Jarmund Vigsnæs' building step 3 is undoubtedly (subjectively of course) the best looking structure until now. Just wait for the sink plated inside of the atrium and the balconies on the eastern side.
The one thing I really hope for is much more greeneries. I think that is needed in brick areas to add life. That's why I really hope they compensate for selling their soul to the kindergardens by planting even more green around. More trees!

Boats/ships like this really adds to the atmosphere in a positive way. I hope a lot of ships like this will make Bjørvika their "home port".
Indeed!
..and the sailboat (Christiania) actually served purpose as a restaurant - serving food and drinks. :)

I still think the area is growing to look fantastic - apart from the fact that the central park is developing into a huge playground. I happen to really like the dark bricks and the general designs of the area. Especially Jarmund Vigsnæs' building step 3 is undoubtedly (subjectively of course) the best looking structure until now. Just wait for the sink plated inside of the atrium and the balconies on the eastern side.
The one thing I really hope for is much more greeneries. I think that is needed in brick areas to add life. That's why I really hope they compensate for selling their soul to the kindergardens by planting even more green around. More trees!

The bricks aren't dark close up, it's a strange trick of the light that, somehow, from a distance, it looks dark grey...

and yes, horrid and windswept without greenery....

It's working again :banana:

http://osu.no/bjorvika-i-dag/now.jpg
http://osu.no/bjorvika-i-dag/now.jpg

What happended to the image quality? It is now more blurry and also smaller in size.

Yes, that sucks.

Old:
2560 x 864

New:
2083 x 650

but still the image shows a wider angle than before (Grønland kirke to the right)

From todays walk in the sun/wind:

apartment complex, last one in Barcorde actually progressing, over u2 now.
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon202.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon201.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon200.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon199.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon198.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon197.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon191.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon190.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon189.jpg

continuing:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon187.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon188.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/KnutsBilder_Canon183.jpg

^^Thank you for a throrough coverage:)

hvor mange menesker skal bo på Fjørdcity?

VERY BIG NEWS! Finally the last building step of Operakvarteret in Barcode will be up for sale imminently! out now on Finn.no (pictures from there).

1 and tallest apartment building in the last step, so 2 steps will therefore be coming out later in this latest step.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn6.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn7.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn5.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn2.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn4.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Operakvarteret_sistebyggetrinn3.jpg

^^Great! I was wondering if it would happen soon. Not that many left in Step 3.

Some cracks in the KLP building already!


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051610.jpg

DEG update, Friday:


Future Akerselva river channel:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051606.jpg


Temporary suspension solution, building the DEG bridge over Akerselva:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051608.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051605.jpg


Casting the foundation:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051622.jpg


Concrete foundation:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051623.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051609.jpg


Håkon Vs gate:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PA051617.jpg

Looks like someone have been a bit careless in handling machinery or something regarding the KLP pic. XD

Posted before, but no one noticed it then: Renders of the development at Grønlikaia. I don't know if it's meant to be competition entry or something? Seems like their idea is to build something quite similar to Sørenga (that you all hate so much): http://code.no/pub/code/SlideShow/?aid=918&cid=238&sac=all&viewall=1

^^ At first I counted 18 floors, and then I saw that there are at least two window rows per floor :)

In any case, this is too bold to ever to be approved

Hvor meget er blevet solgt af det samlede etagemeterantal? Er der masser af fart på udviklingen?

Bedste hilsner
København

Some pics from sundays walk, uncovering the front of apartmentbuilding step 3. are there going to be exterior like the back on this one?

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0669.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0670.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0671.jpg

Hvor meget er blevet solgt af det samlede etagemeterantal? Er der masser af fart på udviklingen?

Bedste hilsner
København

Hehe, det er ikke noe enkelt spørsmål du stiller her i hovedtråden for alle fjordbyprosjektene.
Hvis du tenker kun på høyhusrekken som er mest utførlig dokumentert i denne tråden, så er ca. halvparten av leilighetene solgt, og området er ferdig utbygd primo 2015.
Høyhusrekken er dog en del av Bjørvika, som er et delområde av fjordbyplanen. Dette er temmelig stort, og kanskje kun 20 % av det totale kvadratmetertall er igangsatt. Hele Bjørvika er neppe utviklet før mot midten av 2020-tallet.
Et annet område i Bjørvika som utvikles er Sørengautstikkeren, hvor ca. 60 % av leilighetene nå er solgt, og man ventelig vil være ferdig også ca. 2015.

Andre delområder i fjordbyplanen har ulik uviklingsstatus:
Aker brygge er ferdigutviklet.
Tjuvholmen (utenfor Aker brygge) er nesten utsolgt, og vil være ferdig i 2014.
Filipstad (utenfor Tjuvholmen) er under regulering, og man venter byggestart i 2014.
Cruiseterminalområdet Vippetangen, mellom Bjørvika og Rådhusplassen/Aker brygge vil også kunne starte utvikling dette årtiet.

Håper dette ga tilstrekkelig med svar:)

Tusind tak. Jeg tænkte bare at der måtte være et kollosalt byggeboom i Oslo med den høje indvandring og høje boligpriser. Jf. Tobins Q burde det betyder massiv nybyggeri ligesom i Kbh. 2003 - 2008.

Bliver grundene kun frigivet langsomt?

P.S.
Fjord City er supercool :D

^^ There are many projects besides Fjordcity too though.

Tusind tak. Jeg tænkte bare at der måtte være et kollosalt byggeboom i Oslo med den høje indvandring og høje boligpriser. Jf. Tobins Q burde det betyder massiv nybyggeri ligesom i Kbh. 2003 - 2008.

Bliver grundene kun frigivet langsomt?

P.S.
Fjord City er supercool :D

Tomtene er egentlig eid av et fåtall statlige og kommunale profittdrevene selskaper, som har av interesse at man ikke oversvømmer markedet. Og som Galro sier, er jo også utviklingen i konkurranse med andre områder i byen, både på leilighets- og på næringssiden.

(vi kan godt ha en byggeboom, men det meste som bygges i fjordbyen er high-end, og markedet der er ikke like ekstremt)

I enjoyed this photo very much, even if it's a small one.

The newest bars from above:
http://www.nenyheter.no/image/416x416/ne_50871452c8aa3.png

http://diagonale.no/img/arbeid5.jpg

From the new website diagonale.no, copyright @ MIR arkitekter.

I don't think we've seen the Bjørvika overview with updated designs of both Sørenga and Barcode, have we?

^^ nope, thats a new one, thanks alot for sharing! :cheers:

And the fact that the "park" inside Sørenga here is complete and utter bull%#$. They still, on these "updated" renders, project a huge open green park when in reality it's mostly coloured asphalt caged in for kindergardens. People should have reacted to this so that this area remained an attractive park area for all of Oslo close to the water. Instead it's an area for special interests.

I think this picture looks beautiful because of all the greeneries, and I hope it's going to be like this and not like SU's sellout.

. They still, on these "updated" renders, project a huge open green park when in reality it's mostly coloured asphalt caged in for kindergardens.

To be fair, then I doubt this render is really that recent and updated as it only three of the building steps at Sørenga, while five have so far been revealed in reality. So it might have been drawn before they decided to go for the asphalt-solution with the park. :)

Another night shot from Ekeberg.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8126489009_b9fd221a4c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sigurdr/8126489009/)
Barcode Project, Oslo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sigurdr/8126489009/) by Sigurd R (http://www.flickr.com/people/sigurdr/), on Flickr

mega panorama, too bad the Tjuvholmen tower misses the frame, Scroll warning ------>

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8186/8126471989_82c9777f8e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sigurdr/8126471989/)
Oslo Nightscape (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sigurdr/8126471989/) by Sigurd R (http://www.flickr.com/people/sigurdr/), on Flickr

there are other pictures from diagonale....

http://diagonale.no/img/

Quite comprehensive photo blog, covering the latest development in fjordcity: http://oslo-i-forandring---en-fotoblogg.origo.no

^^ Nice find!

Love to see all the tree cases being installed in DEG:

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/2291959_hdf9441ac000302925fc3_v1351196684_1024x1024.jpeg

^^ Especially interesting to see pics from promenaden in the Havnelageret area, since it's a bit of a mess to get out there.

For instance:
http://media4.origo.no/-/cache/image/2258735_h33a3530b20ceef012797_v1347623602_647x.jpeg
Cobblestones put down in front of havnelageret.

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/2270012_ha833243f6557fdf6e483_v1348770528_647x.jpeg
Havnepromenaden to the right, green belt in the middle and langkaigata to the left.

http://media2.origo.no/-/cache/image/2270004_h8b43644419b0eaff12f3_v1348770474_647x.jpeg
More Havnepromenade

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/2287381_h605f564d8efb4ced0421_v1350583220_647x.jpeg

Skippergata

^^Yes, it's coming along nicely. I hope they start building in this part of Bjørvika soon, as there's no more roadworks to wait for.

Slik bygges Norges nye praktgate (http://www.tu.no/bygg/2012/11/11/slik-bygges-norges-nye-praktgate)

New pictures from http://osloiforandring.origo.no/

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/2306935_h35ea0982e8cc7bf2eda2_v1352741779_1024x1024.jpeg
Pent arbeid med brosteinen på havnepromenaden.


http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/2306930_h8d88b95494f01aa6d607_v1352741673_1024x1024.jpeg
To tredjedeler av broen er klar. Trafikken kan muligens settes på den østlige rampen (i bakgrunnen) på Nylandsveien allerede i desember.


http://media4.origo.no/-/cache/image/2306931_ha1756b67a289ec8b75b1_v1352741709_1024x1024.jpeg
Making the "new" Akerselva.


http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/2306922_h8eeb8b6ada2ebeea8aed_v1352741450_1024x1024.jpeg


http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/2306945_h90f2ba0d5f545c157e90_v1352741964_1024x1024.jpeg

New updates from Oslo i forandring (http://osloiforandring.origo.no/)

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/2310541_h10d70647810c36077e74_v1353253036_1024x1024.jpeg

http://media2.origo.no/-/cache/image/2310554_hbc6482afb2b638fdd8cd_v1353253230_1024x1024.jpeg

More updates in the blog..

I saw this one at Facebook. Really capturing the "spirit" of the Fjordcity :)

ASAP Rocky
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558947_10151177998313541_76510957_n.jpg
Photographer Tor Orset (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fotograf-Tor-Orset/364557093540)

I saw this one at Facebook. Really capturing the "spirit" of the Fjordcity :)

ASAP Rocky
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558947_10151177998313541_76510957_n.jpg
Photographer Tor Orset (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fotograf-Tor-Orset/364557093540)Good rapper, good buildings. Nice one

Renders from Oslo Havn:

http://i.imgur.com/I1Uef.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ciUP4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Rx3ed.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5TbPu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/66fEr.png

http://i.imgur.com/apgGr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mVUKX.png

^^Reguleringsplanen setter 2-4 etasjer som maksimal høyde på tomtene rundt Havnelageret. HAV eiendom lar det ikke syns på seg, ser jeg.
Det er vel tenkelig at man må ta igjen noen kvadratmetere fra Operakvarteret og Kongsbakken i disse kvartalen, og jeg synes vel egentlig at det bare er riktig at man fortsetter med samme tetthet som Kvadraturen forøvrig. Litt rart er det HAV gjør det på denne måten allikevel.

Også interessant dette kartet som viser HAVs estimater for når områdene blir utbygget:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Bjorv.jpg

Oslo Elveforum with some comments for the planning of Kongsbakken

Kongsbakkealmenningen (www.osloelveforum.no/htdocs/joomla15/attachments/267_Kongsbakkeallm12.pdf)

Not that they have much to say in the process, but they point out that since Bispekilen is not connected to the water mirror, a new "kil" should be made at Kongsbakken with a little Niagara waterfall and fish ladders up to the lake. They have worked with JBV, and established that it's possible to save Alna from the Ekeberg tunnel even with the proposed new rails to Follo. If Kværnerbyen wants Alna through their neighbourhood, it has to empty into the sea somewhere, and proposed pipes under Haakon V's street into Bispekilen are neither esthetically nor biologically optimal. Would have been nice with a little waterfall and some english lords fishing salmon in the water mirror. It would also make sense if you want to restore the historic seashore in old Oslo to actually include the river which the settlement was raised by. Akerselva is such an important part of Oslo, and Alna is not much smaller. It's just that it has been dug down and put in a tunnel, so not many people see it as a potential for another Akerselva. With proposed city-building at Breivoll etc higher up, Alna should become another green-blue axis through the city. They have the chance now to avoid another Akerselva/Galleri Oslo/railroad tracks disaster, by opening it up from above Kværnerbyen to the sea, but they need to plan for it when they build the Fjordcity!

Langkaia promenade will be opened today!

http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/Aktuelt/Langkaia-apner-fredag14des2012

http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/ShowCMImage.ashx?size=m&FileInstanceId=86b5d77d-dbee-4aae-922d-e6770d24dc49

http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/ShowCMImage.ashx?size=m&FileInstanceId=677c537c-efd1-4ad3-a04e-639856d23fdc


Get very exited, and go take some pictures :)

Get very exited, and go take some pictures :)

I'm excited, huge improvement to that part of the waterfront! Unfortunately I'm a bit too far away to take pictures atm!

Now they just need to move the ferries and make Vippetangen into something much nicer. A park surrounding Akershus Fortress would be great IMO. The fortress isn't really framed very well from that side.

A park surrounding Akershus Fortress would be great IMO. The fortress isn't really framed very well from that side.

True, but they just mounted new streetlights there, which are nice. It is a start. :)

I'm excited, huge improvement to that part of the waterfront! Unfortunately I'm a bit too far away to take pictures atm!

Now they just need to move the ferries and make Vippetangen into something much nicer. A park surrounding Akershus Fortress would be great IMO. The fortress isn't really framed very well from that side.

Are they planning on moving the ferries? They really should. It would make them closer to people.

Are they planning on moving the ferries? They really should. It would make them closer to people.

Ruters styre besluttet 11.5.2010 å anbefale flytting av terminalen for øyefargene fra Vippetangen til Rådhusbrygge 4,

Though I suspect it should read "øyfergene" :lol:

link (http://www2.ruter.no/Documents/Rapporter-dokumenter/Ruterrapporter/2012/3-2012_Ruters_tilbud_pa_fjorden.pdf?epslanguage=no)

So Øyevippetangen would be a lifeless place until something new is developed there.

Now they just need to move the ferries and make Vippetangen into something much nicer.

I would really like to see the silo go. It ruins the whole look of the seaside of Akershus IMO.

Concerning the rest of the area, I would support at least some interesting buildings there, not only a park area.

Concerning the rest of the area, I would support at least some interesting buildings there, not only a park area.

Of course, there needs to be something that draws people there. It's quite a big area anyway, it all doesn't need to be a park.

Ideally the whole fortress-area, with the surrounding old quarters (now occupied by Forsvarsdepartementet?) would have been put to some better use, with the car parks taken away etc. Basically what you can see in Galro's picture here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=98273965&postcount=605 and the other buildings surrounding the fortress. So much potential!

I think that would make for a really nice area, with a park on one side. A bit like the fortress rising from a sea of green, with a leafy historical area around it.

But I'm dreaming..

Are they planning on moving the ferries? They really should. It would make them closer to people.

I have no idea, but it needs to be done. Both for the ferries and for the area's sake.

Though I suspect it should read "øyfergene" :lol:

link (http://www2.ruter.no/Documents/Rapporter-dokumenter/Ruterrapporter/2012/3-2012_Ruters_tilbud_pa_fjorden.pdf?epslanguage=no)

So Øyevippetangen would be a lifeless place until something new is developed there.

Yes, it could still be kept as a stop though, if future Ruter was so inclined. Øybåtene.
Øyene i havnebassenget betjenes av tre linjer, hvorav linjen til Langøyene kun tilbys i sommermånedene. For øvrig er frekvensen vesentlig høyere om sommeren enn om vinteren, og etterspørselen er naturlig nok svært væravhengig. Ruter ønsker ny terminal for øyfergene på Rådhuskaia ved siden av nesoddbåtene, og arbeid med reguleringsplan, ansvarsavklaring og finansiering pågår. Felles båtterminal vil gi et mer oversiktlig tilbud og et mer attraktivt knutepunkt med bedre tilknytning til landtransport enn på Vippetangen. Foreløpige markedsundersøkelser indikerer en potensiell etterspørselsvekst på 10-20 % som følge av en slik flytting. Ny bryggelokalisering krever nytt ruteopplegg, eventuelt i kombinasjon med nytt manøvreringsreglement. Dette taler for en helhetlig gjennomgang av trafikktilbudet på fjorden forut for konkurranseutsetting.


Båttrafikkens utviklingsmuligheter.
Båt gir køfrie reisemuligheter og erfaringsmessig fornøyde kunder. Disse mulighetene ønsker Ruter å ta tak i. Utfordringene er særlig at høye kapital- og drivstoffkostnader gjør båt vesentlig dyrere enn buss, selv om det ikke kreves særskilte investeringer i «kjøreveien». Miljøbelastningen er også større. Imidlertid kan det være grunner til å tilby båt langs land, der køer og forsinkelser gjør buss lite konkurransedyktig. Ruter har i dag et rushtidstilbud med hurtigbåt mellom Aker brygge og Vollen/ Slemmestad. Også på andre relasjoner har det vært tatt opp forslag om nye båttilbud, enten i kombinasjon med mating og innfartsparkering eller som et fritidstilbud om sommeren, og Ruter vil utrede dette som et supplement
If it made financially sense, which it probably wouldn't, there could be a circle route Bjørvika-Vippetangen-Rådhuset-Bygdøy-choice islands-Bjørvika.

I would really like to see the silo go. It ruins the whole look of the seaside of Akershus IMO.
.

I checked, and the silo is surprisingly not considered worthy of protection (according to Byantikvarens gule liste), so it can perhaps be demolished. This building right next to it is however on the list: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Akershus,+Norway&hl=en&ll=59.903305,10.740917&spn=0.009006,0.027874&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=57.42297,114.169922&oq=akershus&t=h&hnear=Akershus,+Norway&z=16&layer=c&cbll=59.903241,10.741187&panoid=cvvEyntgRc4uPFaZOucZ_Q&cbp=12,214.5,,0,-0.9

I would really like to see the silo go. It ruins the whole look of the seaside of Akershus IMO.

Concerning the rest of the area, I would support at least some interesting buildings there, not only a park area.

i like the silo, and i hope it's retained and developed - as it is, a bit shabby and isolated, it doesn't really impress, but cleverly redeveloped amongst some nice modern buildings it will be a real asset.

we should never under estimate the importance of retaining decent references to the social and industrial past of an area....

i like the silo, and i hope it's retained and developed - as it is, a bit shabby and isolated, it doesn't really impress, but cleverly redeveloped amongst some nice modern buildings it will be a real asset.

we should never under estimate the importance of retaining decent references to the social and industrial past of an area....

Yes but we will have to respectfully disagree about the silo. Akershus fortress is one of the most prominent landmarks along the Oslo harbor and steps should be taken that "honor" and promote this. The silo - as it/the situation stands today - is a wart that, when arriving from sea, can almost look like it's trying to take attention from the fortress. And would look so if kept and developed.

Again, IMO of course.

Shame this one don't stand there any more. Was the first reinforced concrete building in the country too.

http://media31.dimu.no/media/decoimage/OMU/OB.F16056/35854?size=800&decoText=Foto%3A%20Wilse%2C%20Anders%20Beer&filename=OB.F16056.jpg

http://media31.dimu.no/media/decoimage/OMU/OB.Y2732/52921?size=800&decoText=Foto%3A%20Wilse%2C%20Anders%20Beer&filename=OB.Y2732.jpg

New bike racks between Visma and Mad. A mix of art and function here. Other than that, a pretty grey alley :ohno:

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/2327813_haaf5f811602c25541910_v1355854609_1024x1024.jpeg
From Oslo i forandring (http://osloiforandring.origo.no/-/image/show/2327813_-12-2012)

^^I sure hope they'll switch up the concrete, but the whole Barcode-passage seems pretty dead these days. A coffee shop plus cafe has been "just around the corner" for years now.

Btw, the concept arts for this strip:
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p612/trolltind/RS707_03_exterior_cyclebarx1000.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/Dagen/DSC_0229.jpg

Granite cover, trees and seating! That's more like it, but I don't see it (yet).

Shame this one don't stand there any more. Was the first reinforced concrete building in the country too.

http://media31.dimu.no/media/decoimage/OMU/OB.F16056/35854?size=800&decoText=Foto%3A%20Wilse%2C%20Anders%20Beer&filename=OB.F16056.jpg

http://media31.dimu.no/media/decoimage/OMU/OB.Y2732/52921?size=800&decoText=Foto%3A%20Wilse%2C%20Anders%20Beer&filename=OB.Y2732.jpg
What is there in its place now?

^^Nothing, but the building exploded.

What is there in its place now?

It stood in front of the current silo, so whatever there is a in front of it now (a road and a parking lot I believe).

http://media31.dimu.no/media/decoimage/OMU/OB.X0879/73798?size=800&decoText=Foto%3A%20Wilse%2C%20Anders%20Beer

http://media31.dimu.no/media/decoimage/OMU/OB.Z04358/25859?size=800&decoText=Foto%3A%20Wilse%2C%20Anders%20Beer

Foam model of Barcode:

http://ad009cdnb.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/1355443970-barcode4.jpg

http://www.archdaily.com/304829/oslo-a-haven-for-adventurous-design/