Sørenga(roads)

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0478.jpg

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http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0483.jpg

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Museum of Cultural history

The compromise alternative:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0445-1.jpg

Museum of Cultural history

The compromise alternative:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0445-1.jpg

According to Jernbaneverket, Statsbygg will wait til after the regulaiton plan for Follobanen is settled, before they continue the planning for a new Cultural-historical museum.

Det nye Oslo (http://estatenyheter.no/component/content/article/1-nyhter/1413-det-nye-oslo.html)
http://estatenyheter.no/images/com_content/images/1413/PWC%20bygget%203_main.jpg

I believe you have said that they will also cover the tracks in Middelalderparken as part of the project. Is this right? And will all the tracks get covered?

Illustrations from Jernbaneverket's presentation in Oslo Ladegård:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Fb1.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Fb2.jpg

Note the workshop is "too low" in comparison with the green lid.

This render is pretty interesting. There will be a lot of construction sites in ~2012-20. Only one is needed the whole period, though (the one in Konowsgate, as the tunnel is what takes the most time). Every yellow marked area will need all buildings within it to be teared down (and of course also the ones in the actual railroad-area!).

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Fb3.jpg

The three around Bispegata (covering Cultural-historical museum's site) will be needed in the first period (~2013-16), and the other two when "klypen" is done and they can start working on old Østfoldbanen, ie. ~2016-20.
Be prepared for a period with lots of noise and heavy traffic.

Whole presentation can be found here: http://www.jernbaneverket.no/no/dokumenter/Prosjekter/Oslo-Ski-Presentasjon-konsekvensutredning-apent-mote-Gamle-Oslo-7-juni-2011/
(note there are two different alternatives for the rails following old Østfoldbanen)

Links for other parts of the project: http://www.jernbaneverket.no/no/Prosjekter/Prosjekter/Oslo-S---Ski/Rapporter1/Konsekvensutredning-for-Follobanen-Horingsutgaver/

That's a bummer. Are those renders final or will there be any alterings? I really can't stand all these tracks cutting through the old historic areas of Bjørvika. I guess the removal of one track in Middelalderparken at least makes the situation slightly better, but then again we will get even more tracks next to Ladegården. Hm. Not a fan.

They most likely are final in terms of tracks and heights, but lids may be designed differently etc.

Ladegården will most likely end up with more grass around it than today, and they're also working on a path way from Oslo gate to the garden between the chappel and the railyard. Eitherway the renders I posted shows more space than Ladegården has today.

And finally, only the gray tracks are part of the Follobane-project. If anyone wants to "clean up" among the brown tracks at for instance Loenga, it's very much still possible.

Avklaring om vikingeskip i år? (http://www.bygg.no/2011/06/avklaring-om-vikingeskip-i-aar)

Forsknings- og høyere utdanningsminister Tora Aasland (SV) håper i løpet av året å få ekspertenes endelige konklusjon om det er forsvarlig å flytte vikingskip og gjenstander fra Bygdøy til Bjørvika.
Av: NTB | Publisert: 22.06.2011 15:00 | Sist endret: 22.06.2011 15:03

I så fall er det gode muligheter for en endelig politisk beslutning i løpet av neste år, får NTB opplyst i departementet. Da har striden om vikingskipplassering rast fram og tilbake i 12–13 år.

Det internasjonale ekspertutvalget, som ble nedsatt i mars i år for å vurdere risikoen ved å flytte vikingskipene og de skjøre gjenstandene fra norske vikinggraver, hadde onsdag sitt første møte, der også statsråd Tora Aasland deltok med de siste «instrukser».

– Utvalget har ikke fått en endelig dato for levering av sine vurderinger, men jeg har forventning om at arbeidet vil bli gjennomført i løpet av 2011, sa statsråd Aasland da utvalget ble nedsatt.

Dette ga hun igjen klart uttrykk for i utvalgets første møte, men understreket at hun ikke ville legge unødig press på utvalgets fire medlemmer. Det viktigste er at utvalget bruker den tid det trenger for å gi gode råd, ifølge statsråden.

Og nettopp for å sikre seg gode, fordomsfrie og upartiske råd, valgte hun å oppnevne et utvalg bare bestående av utenlandsk, relevant ekspertise, helt uavhengig av frontene som har bygd seg opp i Norge de senere år. (©NTB)

http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/article4153934.ece

Hele Oslos sjøside er i voldsom endring.

De neste 10 årene er det planlagt utbyggingsprosjekter for nærmere 60 milliarder kroner i hovedstaden.

Totalt skal det bygges over 1,1 million kvadratmeter kulturbygg, kontorer og boliger, viser oversikten Aftenposten presenterer i dag.

Se stor interaktiv grafikk øverst i denne saken.

Two Aker Brygge renders.

Nondescript glass boxes here we come.
http://www.bygg.no/cache/image/36576/53/nye-aker-brygge-1-bredde.jpg

http://www.bygg.no/image/36578/1/36578_1.jpg



Article: http://www.bygg.no/2011/06/investerer-15-mrd-i-ombygging-av-aker-brygge

Where went the post I replied to?:nuts:

^^ lol, to the Aker Brygge thread! :cheers:

Yeah, I noticed it.
;)

Info boxes commissioned by Oslo S utvikling, so will probably be placed somewhere around Operakvarteret.
http://superunion.no/files/infoboxbilde.jpg

Link: http://www.superunion.no/index.php?/projects/2011-info-box/

^^?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20110515_001.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20110515_002.jpg

Oh, so that was a info box. Weird to not include a picture of the finished product on their site then!

The ugly vent?

yes, when I was there it was a free standing sign, but it seems they will cover the air-vent from the parking garage with it instead.

Is this overview picture available in high res anywhere? It gives such a nice look of the future Bjørvika and seems to be quite up to date.

http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika/_image/198716.png
(http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika)

^^It isn't actually that up to date. MVRDVs Dnb Nor building isn't there and neither is Lund Hagems B13, Visma, MAD or the reworked quarters behind the new Munch museum.

^^It isn't actually that up to date. MVRDVs Dnb Nor building isn't there and neither is Lund Hagems B13, Visma, MAD or the reworked quarters behind the new Munch museum.

You're right. But it does have Munch, Deichman and the beach at Kongsbakken. Sørenga is quite inacurate.

Anyway, it's a nice overiview.

Yes, I agree that it is a nice overview. I couldn't find any bigger sizes though. The closest you can get will probably be this (http://www.lpo.no/getfile.php/Prosjekter/052800%20Sørenga/Sørenga_Oversikt_sør_rev2.jpg) from the Sørenga developments.
:)

Folket sier ja til «kvinneparken» (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article564639.ece)


Den er blitt skjelt ut og latterliggjort. Men nå sier Oslo-folket et rungende ja til skulpturparken i Ekebergskogen.

 Det er jo kjempehyggelig. Det ville vært trist å drive dette prosjektet hvis det ikke var positivt for byen, og det også ble oppfattet slik, sier en glad Christian Ringnes når han får høre om meningsmålingen som Aften har fått gjennomført.

Hele 52 prosent av Oslos befolkning ønsker den omstridte og heftig debatterte skulpturparken velkommen, ifølge meningsmålingen. I undersøkelsen er det kun 27 prosent som er negative til planene.
Vil ha 99 prosent

Tidligere denne måneden sikret SV flertall for skulturparken i bystyret, som skal behandle saken i august.

Skulpturparken, som skal være «til kvinnens pris», har hatt en lang og stridsfylt ferd siden ideen først kom på banen i 2003. Den er blant annet blitt kritisert for å være «mannssjåvinistisk», «et monument over Christian Ringnes selv» og «et fallossymbol».

Ringnes er likevel ikke overrasket over de positive tallene i meningsmålingen.

– Jeg tror undersøkelsen viser at folk flest har ganske god sunn fornuft og er vant til at ting polariseres, sier milliardæren.

Men selv om tallene er gode, er han ikke helt fornøyd.

– Min ambisjon er at 99 prosent skal være for og én prosent imot når vi er ferdig med dette.

– Får du til det, da?

– Det er i hvert fall en verdig ambisjon. Det kan hende vi ender opp med 90 prosent positive og 10 prosent negative, men det er 99 prosent jeg ønsker meg.

Christian Ringnes er glad for at Oslo-folket støtter «kvinneparken» hans. Her poserer han utenfor Ekebergskogen ved skulpturen «Mor med barn» av Per Ung, som etter planen skal være en del av skulpturparken.

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Undersøkelsen viser imidlertid at det er stor forskjell på hvor positive folk er ut ifra hvor i byen de bor. På vestkanten er 60 prosent positive og bare 21 prosent negative til skulpturparken. Til sammenligning er 45 prosent positive og 40 prosent negative sørøst i Oslo, der skulpturparken skal stå.

Byutviklingsbyråd Bård Folke Fredriksen (H) mener det er vanlig at folk er skeptiske til forandringer i eget nærmiljø.

– Men når parken er ferdig, så vil man se at dette ikke er noe å frykte likevel, sier han.

Også Christian Ringnes griper til dette argumentet:

– Dette berømmelige utrykket «not in my backyard» kan kanskje ha spilt inn. Hvis man har noe helt for seg selv, har man gjerne en tendens til å ville at det skal fortsette å være slik, mener Ringnes.
For dårlig informert

Jazzartist Silje Nergaard er en av de profilerte motstanderne av skulpturparken, og deltar aktivt «Folkeaksjonen for bevaring av Ekebergskogen». Nergaard bor selv i området og forteller til at hun bruker skogen til å finne musikalsk inspirasjon.

– Jeg synes det er spennende med nye ideer og liker visjonære mennesker, men mener det blir galt å gjennomføre så omfattende inngrep i det som er Oslos siste byskog. Jeg føler dette er informasjon som er blitt underkommunisert til Oslo befolkning.

– Men det har vært mye debatt om dette?

– Det har vært mye synsing, men lite reell debatt om de faktiske inngrepene i naturen som er planlagt. Det er veldig mye skog som må hugges ned, og mye dyre- og planteliv vil gå tapt. Det er et irreversibelt inngrep, sier hun.

I know this is OT, but I just wanted to mention that "The World" arrived Oslo today. It will stay here for a few days before it sails to Bergen, Ålesund and so on.

This other 84 m brand new yacht called "Valerie" also came to Oslo this evening. It's not often the bigger "privat" yachts visit us, except when Abramovich or other Russian oligarch visit. I'm not sure if it is charter or privat owned. Does any of you know?

I'm usually not a motor yacht guy, I prefer sailboats, but this yacht looked nice imo.

http://www.superyachttimes.com/articles/Image/Companies/Lurssen/2011-05-Valerie/Valerie-02.jpg

Dugnad på Bispelokket (http://blogg.nrk.no/byen/2011/06/25/dugnad-pa-bispelokket-2/#more-1411) - take pictures of the soon to be demolished Bispelokket and send them in to Byen i forandring.

Hele Oslos sjøside er i voldsom endring.

De neste 10 årene er det planlagt utbyggingsprosjekter for nærmere 60 milliarder kroner i hovedstaden.

Totalt skal det bygges over 1,1 million kvadratmeter kulturbygg, kontorer og boliger, viser oversikten Aftenposten presenterer i dag.

Se stor interaktiv grafikk øverst i denne saken.
Q1 growth for Oslo was 5 783, but may have been somewhat inflated by many registering due to a rule change. So, if we're conservative and assume 15000/year for the next 10 years, that is 7,33 sqm per new arrival. But looking at prices, we have such an abundant excess of housing in this city today, right?[
Politicians just love to keep the markets under-supplied, don't they. They treat their new citizens like a drug dealer treats his addicts.[/Rant]

Q1 growth for Oslo was 5 783, but may have been somewhat inflated by many registering due to a rule change. So, if we're conservative and assume 15000/year for the next 10 years, that is 7,33 sqm per new arrival. But looking at prices, we have such an abundant excess of housing in this city today, right?[
Politicians just love to keep the markets under-supplied, don't they. They treat their new citizens like a drug dealer treats his addicts.[/Rant]

Creating a city of quality takes time. If Oslo is to accomodate the numbers that SSB is presenting, the new development will have to be of the quick, cheap and less attractive. There is no reason why Oslo should take on the population increase forecasted. It is not a result of the city's and the surrounding areas natural growth, but a result of mostly foreign and some domestic immigration. Enough of the politics.

The current attempts to densify the villa areas reduces the quality of these areas without giving any substansial increase in housing units. I think we should extend the urban inner city towards north east where we currently have Groruddalen with it's sub optimal housing structure. Groruddalen actually has quite a low densitiy compared to other parts of Oslo. The potential for new appartments here is enormous.

I would like to both extend the inner city like you suggest and to build denser highrises at Vaterland. I'm not a big fan of the current trend with placing commies randomly in villa areas like you point out.

This other 84 m brand new yacht called "Valerie" also came to Oslo this evening. It's not often the bigger "privat" yachts visit us, except when Abramovich or other Russian oligarch visit. I'm not sure if it is charter or privat owned. Does any of you know?

Here are two pictures from its stay in Oslo:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5022/5887030263_6d420a731a_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6001/5887668724_b0300f484c_b.jpg

Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/catolien/

^^There's nothing better than Flickr!:ohno:

^^ I don't understand all the hate you have for Flickr?

Folket sier ja til «kvinneparken» (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article564639.ece)

Hmmm, not so sure about this project. Seems to ruin a lot of untouched forest which has important uses for the surrounding areas..

^^ I don't understand all the hate you have for Flickr?

They're blocking their pictures for SSC all the time...

Nordenga bru opens August 26th, and our beloved Minister of Transportation will take the walk from Hammersborg.

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00088/_anyh18hovedbilde300_88903d.jpg

The bridge will also have lights, just as Stasjonsalmenningen, but less colors. It will be lit in white and yellow.


As hinted for earlier, Nylandsbrua is not getting closed. They will work on two lanes at a time. Not sure how they'll manage with the roundabout that will be demolished!:nuts:

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article564703.ece

Is it just me, or does the driving lanes look VERY narrow in that rendering...??

^^It IS narrow. It's dimensioned as an inner city street ("gate"), not national route.

I'm not sure if it is charter or privat owned. Does any of you know?
]

«Valerie» har ingen eier (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/06/30/nyheter/innenriks/valerie/luksusyacht/oslo/17137430/)
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/171/171374/17137486/jpg/active/978x.jpg

^^Poor thing:(

Perhaps we at SSC could all get together and buy it?

They're blocking their pictures for SSC all the time...

Thread about it: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1357713&page=7

Yes, but that have been resolved. The pictures turned up here. Besides the pictures were only hosted at Flickr so I hadn't much choice.

Yes, but that have been resolved. The pictures turned up here. Besides the pictures were only hosted at Flickr so I hadn't much choice.

It's obviously not been solved. I still can't see the pictures on SSC. The threads been updated, if you didn't visit. I'm not saying it's your fault, I'm just saying Flickr sucks, and no sane persons should use it.

I personally chose to host them either at Panoramio (if I want to post them in their original size) or at Photobucket if not, because they both works and are free. However the problem is that many chose Flickr and hence if you want to find something (especially if it is a rare thing) then the changes are so much better to find it at Flickr than anything else.

The pictures posted of yacht are visible to me.

^^ I can not see them :ohno:


Nordenga bru opens August 26th, and our beloved Minister of Transportation will take the walk from Hammersborg.

And the 28th it's our turn to cross it on Åpen dag!

Flickr has banned flickr pictures posted on SSC again, but this time they seem to have been banned on a few server farms, which means some members can see them (about 20%) but most can't. We all hate flickr, but they are working on solutions to make the pictures work again, sadly flickr seem to own their pictures too much and hates everyone besides themselves. It might take some time before they accept SSC again...

Okay. Didn't knew that. Click on the links if you want to see the pictures, but are of the same yacht as the one from Dagbladet.
:)

Øya festivalen will this year use the gravel laid area left after the demolished bridge at Middelalderparken. What the article don't state however is what will be done to this place after Øya is done with it. Will they remove the gravel and transform it into a extension of the artificial lake?

– Vi vil ikke at vårt publikum skal bli unødvendig slitne (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/musikk/article564487.ece)

^^Is this overview picture available in high res anywhere? It gives such a nice look of the future Bjørvika and seems to be quite up to date.

http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika/_image/198716.png
(http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika)

As you see, it will just be a small extension of the park, grided with new pedestrian/bike routes.

As hinted for earlier, Nylandsbrua is not getting closed. They will work on two lanes at a time. Not sure how they'll manage with the roundabout that will be demolished!:nuts:

Only half of round-about will be demolished for step 1.

Creating a city of quality takes time. If Oslo is to accomodate the numbers that SSB is presenting, the new development will have to be of the quick, cheap and less attractive.
Empire State Building was built in 13 months. Fjordcity: 15 years of squabbling and changing done decisions - they end up with essentially the same except a few of the old qualities are gone.

Wasting time =/= better result.
There is no reason why Oslo should take on the population increase forecasted. It is not a result of the city's and the surrounding areas natural growth, but a result of mostly foreign and some domestic immigration. Enough of the politics.
That is the most important issue here. As long as they are legally here, we need to deal with reality the way it is, not as we would like it to be. Not only is it immoral to willfully force people away from the place they want to live, but often times they have no choice. What we build must be a product of what we need, not what can please the most conservative perfectionist. So much of what we fanatically defend today as the citys "soul" are the result of a pragmatic approach to the explosive growth 100 years ago.

Drawbridge mentality has NEVER made a city better.
The current attempts to densify the villa areas reduces the quality of these areas without giving any substansial increase in housing units. I think we should extend the urban inner city towards north east where we currently have Groruddalen with it's sub optimal housing structure. Groruddalen actually has quite a low densitiy compared to other parts of Oslo. The potential for new appartments here is enormous.
As long as something is done, I'm happy. I know the original article was about the architecture and not the politics, but I just wanted to point out how obviously inadequate the volumes were.

Like I said, draw a map over future street to expand the inner city with and put a given height limit. Then the developmenters know where they can build and what they can build, so they don't have to waste time getting things that the city is negative towards approved. Then perhaps we could stop building commie blocks random around in the current inner city too.

Not only is it immoral to willfully force people away from the place they want to live, but often times they have no choice.


I have to disagree. It's the other way around. You can't just show up somewhere and expect the almighty government to provide for your needs.

Example:I would like an appartment in Monaco. So would probably many others. I can't afford this. What should Monaco do about that? Nothing of course. Monaco should evolve based on the needs recognised internally.

Like I said, draw a map over future street to expand the inner city with and put a given height limit. Then the developmenters know where they can build and what they can build, so they don't have to waste time getting things that the city is negative towards approved. Then perhaps we could stop building commie blocks random around in the current inner city too.

Totally agree. Why this is not done to a larger extent to day is wierd.

Because the city doesn't own land, and can't decide what others should do wtih theirs without buying it.

The city owns the right to dedicate what the landlords should be allowed to build though. Otherwise we wouldn't have had Pbe. What the city should say is this: Okay, you are allowed to build but then you have to follow this plan. Simply as that.

I have to disagree. It's the other way around. You can't just show up somewhere and expect the almighty government to provide for your needs.

Example:I would like an appartment in Monaco. So would probably many others. I can't afford this. What should Monaco do about that? Nothing of course. Monaco should evolve based on the needs recognised internally.
OK, if this isn't the right thread, I'm sorry, but I can't let that stand. You're implying that I somehow want the government to pay for everything. I only ask that they approve the needed construction, not pay for it. I'm not demanding money, I'm asking for an even chance.

If you want to move to Monaco and have a legitimate reason to do so, then yes, I would call it immoral if they expect you to work for a pay that can't get you a decent home and then just waves their hands saying "not my problem".

When you have the means to avoid others falling into poverty at no real cost to yourself and then, knowing your continued actions cause poverty, choose to continue at that action anyway, it is deeply immoral. You're not just abstaining from action, but actively pursuing actions that greatly harm others (not being able to get a home) for a small gain on your part (aesthetics).

In any case, why is it such a tragedy if the city grows bigger? It's always so weird to see people defend the status quo by opposing the thinking that made things the way they are in the first place. Now, unless you're going to leave the EEA, physically limiting access isn't an option (especially since the new citizens often has a job before coming here), so if your measure of limiting migration is to have housing prices inflate to unnecessarily high levels then you're hurting someone who was born here just as much. I just don't see the point in doing that.

I partly agree with Galro; but I think that is what they try to do already. Two points: 1. I don't agree that height is the most important thing to limit and 2. The more government defines itself the arbitrator of what gets built, the more it has responsibility when what gets built isn't sufficient. And that's what's happening now.

yeah, I get passionate about this. :nuts: Maybe when I strike that golden deal I too can tell the less fortunate to eat cake. Mods feel free to move this if another thread is better suited.

I only ask that they approve the needed construction, not pay for it. I'm not demanding money, I'm asking for an even chance.

This is fine as long as the expansion is done at the right places and with the right quality requirements.


If you want to move to Monaco and have a legitimate reason to do so, then yes, I would call it immoral if they expect you to work for a pay that can't get you a decent home and then just waves their hands saying "not my problem".

If I choose to move to Monaco, it is in no way immoral of Monaco to ignore my lack of funds. Each person must take responsibility for himself. If Monaco is too expensive, move somewhere else. It's as easy as that.


When you have the means to avoid others falling into poverty at no real cost to yourself and then, knowing your continued actions cause poverty, choose to continue at that action anyway, it is deeply immoral. You're not just abstaining from action, but actively pursuing actions that greatly harm others (not being able to get a home) for a small gain on your part (aesthetics).

Again, we are talking about people new to the city and mostly also Norway. If Oslo is too expensive, move somewhere else. There are plenty of alternatives in this country that are much cheaper.


In any case, why is it such a tragedy if the city grows bigger? It's always so weird to see people defend the status quo by opposing the thinking that made things the way they are in the first place. ...

I don't have a problem with a growing city. I oppose the tree border and feel that there is a lot of potential for quality growth in Oslo. I just oppose the notion that there is a crisis and that we have to build new housing as if there had been a war or natural disaster wiping out many of the existing buildings.

You might think I'm cynical, but as I said, there are so many alternatives in this country that are resonably priced so any poverty people might find themselves in has solutions. When looking at the latest infrastructure problems that Oslo is facing, a more managed approach to this growth seems advisable.

This topic is highly interesting to discuss and I can easily be forthcoming to your basic point (help make it possible for more to live in central areas by removing bureaucratic obstacles), but we should probably switch back to the actual development going on.
:)

I am certainly not an immigrant and still suffer as much as they do. Anyway, looks like we're not getting any further on this topic, so yeah...

I'm always tempted to defend my points. :horse: It's my nature. Not my fault.

In order to move to Monaco, you actually need to prove that you have a crap load of money. It's not enough to be able to afford an apartment - that alone won't get you a residence permit. Besides, unless you're there only to escape taxes, Nice is a far more vibrant place.. it's less shallow and has more soul, imo.

^^Indeed, and unlike Monaco, Nice is not blodharry :lol:

Sure, but that's some of it's charm :) it's not a place you take seriously - it's a place you go to watch filthy rich people brag about their money.

Anyways, I realize we're off-topic.

WOOOOOOWWWW!!!

Extremely well made & cool 3D video of the entire Barcode buildingmass.

Must see for everyone. And i also noticed a more refined design on the latest and last apartment building step which will finalise the entire Barcode project. Looking forward to that one. Really think thats gonna be a huge hit, with its high density but most of all for its beautiful design and architecture.

Enjoy and good summer everyone!

http://osu.no/video/?tx_bcvideo_pi1%5Bvid%5D=949755974001

Can be found on OSU's homepage: http://osu.no/

Thanks, awesome video. I really like the last frame showing the view from the Middelalderpark/lake in front or something thereabout.

Nice video indeed, the music somehow reminds me of Sim City:nuts:

Great video, and great Barcode! Thanks :cheers:

Lol, that DOES remind me of Simcity with that music. And holy crap that will be an awesome area..

And this years most awesome pictures is................................

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcodebest.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcode22.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/apartmentsbarcode2.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/apartmentsbarcode.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcodefront.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/DNB.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kunstbarcode.png

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcodetopp.png

Blå flytter til Sukkerbiten (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/restaurant_uteliv/article571920.ece)

And this years most awesome pictures is................................

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcodebest.png

Looks really nice, but I'm not sure about the wall they are planing on the other side of the street...:nuts:

Oh, and for you're information, all the tents between PWC and KLP is now gone. And it is possible to have a look at a couple of facade-walls for "Isfjellet".

Looks really nice, but I'm not sure about the wall they are planing on the other side of the street...:nuts:

Yes, I am unsure about that too. Do the picture represent the actual planed building mass on the plot? If so then I fair that it will hide the Barcode developments completely from the sea/Ekeberg angle, which I guess is exactly what some of the more conservative people in the city want.

Yes, I am unsure about that too. Do the picture represent the actual planed building mass on the plot? If so then I fair that it will hide the Barcode developments completely from the sea/Ekeberg angle, which I guess is exactly what some of the more conservative people in the city want.

Well, according to NIMBY logic you can't hide (unwanted) buildings with new buildings, because they will be against the new buildings too. Actually, since NIMBY's always are opposed to change and want things to stay like they are, they would rather want to protect the view to Barcode, since that will be the existing situation at the time...:lol:

Well, according to NIMBY logic you can't hide (unwanted) buildings with new buildings, because they will be against the new buildings too. Actually, since NIMBY's always are opposed to change and want things to stay like they are, they would rather want to protect the view to Barcode, since that will be the existing situation at the time...:lol:

That's what I was trying to say, lol

Amazing video!

Dark and a-lab architects have along with developer OSU worked on some possibilities for B2, B3 and B7 (and B6a) in the Bjørvika area. These are plots ment for mostly appartments, but also officespace, including some 3.500 sqm that were cut from B10 (PWC/KLP-block). This document shows what they're currently thinking: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3160467

Start of regulation plan for plots B2, B3, B6a and B7: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3154130

And two renders from the first document. You may recognize that the second render was also posted by Ingenioren back in February (page 91), at an earlier stage of the planing process.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/B2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/b2-2.jpg

Not feeling the massiveness of the last block towards Middelalderparken. Wouldn't it be better to introduce a cross road here to open up the block?

There originally was, and the renders on page 91 show it. If you also read the documents, you'll see they've weighd it, and found they'll lose 1000 sqm, and get a less attractive backyard.

Have they gone away from the crossroad concept to offset the sqm lost in Barcode?

Here is btw the renders you talked about from page 91. It looks so much better imho. :(
Concept Kvartal
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0852.jpg



Middelalderparken:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0847.jpg

Why have they covered this part of stasjonsallmenningen with gravel and fenced it? Wasn't this all fixed with flowers and everything?

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P7301594.jpg?t=1312071459

Great news about the troubled art project on the exterior of the air vents in Bjørvika;

Link to article. (http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.7738511)

Seems like private funders might make this happen after all.

http://gfx.nrk.no/RmtaPbezP2EOgC5dNft81ABQZzIk5RQfDsorBEP_8Bzw.jpg

^^Lol, well I guess I'mglad someone cares enough about this city to pay for it. Vegvesenets actions in this case has been nothing less than disgraceful. I hope we don't have to see a downscaled version, and I hope it also will look good from close up and at daytime.

I can't understand why Vegvesent held the artistic competition the first place if they had no intention of funding the art work though.

Hail those who will make this come true. Im glad about the news for the air vents. Their future was really unclear.
I find the light artwork as a good solution for these towers. I think it will look good at night.

Great that the artist never gave up! Vegvesenet should be ashamed.

(make sure to make parallel circuits, so not one broken light will darken a whole lightstrip, like a christmas tree :lol:)

^^One word: LED

I know LED rarely breaks, but still, multiple LEDs are usually connected in series.

Vegvesenet still won't accept the maintenance costs tough, hopefully those happy donators will set up a fund for that!

^^They could spend the money they saved not building it, in stead...

Vegvesenet will still pay the 5 millions they promised (i assume).

The art work would cost more than 5 million?

The art work would cost more than 5 million?

It costs 15 millions according to the article. The 5 mill was a compromise they tried to make.

Copying this directly:

Åpen dag i Bjørvika 2011


Tid
28. august · 12:00 - 16:00
Sted
I hele Bjørvikaområdet fra Operaen i vest til Sørenga i øst, fra Oslo S' spor 19 i nord til Paulsenkaia og Bjørvikutstikkeren i sør
Laget av
Plan- og bygningsetaten, Oslo kommune
Mer informasjon
Sett av søndag 28. august fra kl 12:00. Da åpner Bjørvika seg for alle som måtte være nysgjerrig på hva som skjer i et av Norges mest spennede utviklingsområder.

Arrangementet passer for alle - både voksne og barn. Gratis adgang til alle aktiviteter.

Mulighet for en enkel matbit underveis. Matstasjon på Sørenga, Serranos Bodega i Trelastgata/OperaKvarteret​ og brasseriet på Operaen holder åpent.

Møt private utbyggere, offentlige etater og interesseorganisasjoner - alle med et stort engasjement for Bjørvika.

Program kommer senere, men noen foreløpige smakebiter er:

- mulighet for å gå på en helt nyetablert flytende gangbro til Sørenga.
- mulighet for å prøvegå den nye veibrua Østre tangent.
- innvielse av helt ny del av Havnepromenaden på Sørenga
- møt utbyggerne og hør deres planer og visjoner
- se modell av Bjørvikautbyggingen
- hopp på en båttur i havna
- møt planleggere av Bjørvika og Fjordbyen
- nye Munch og nye Deichman presenterer seg
- veiprosjektene videre i Bjørvika
- byhistorie på direkten: Du spør - Byarkivet svarer
- fortellerstund med Deichman
- Kunsthall Oslo holder åpent: Alle som vil kan stille ut!
- kunst og kultur i framtidas Bjørvika
- Ruter stiller med fremtidens biogassbuss som kjører i området
- tegnebord og flere andre andre barneaktiviteter
- Brannbil kommer

og mye mer....

Kom da vel!

Arrangører:
Plan- og bygningsetaten i samarbeid med Bjørvika Utvikling AS, Brann- og redningsetaten, Deichmanske hovedbibliotek, Den norske opera og ballett, HAV Eiendom AS, Kulturbyggene i Bjørvika, Kulturetaten, Munchmuseet, NSB, Oslo Byarkiv, Oslo Havn KF, Oslo S Utvikling AS, ROM Eiendom AS, Ruter AS, Statens vegvesen Region Øst, Sørenga Utvikling KS og Vann- og avløpsetaten.

What the firetruck?!:D

Kids love firetrucks... :P

^^Apparantly it's a success, since they're repeating it...


had the same discussion last year: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=102067&page=85

btw, only 20 pages in a year?:?

It started in april 2004, so we're 106 pages up after 7,3 years. That's 14 1/2 pages per year. 20 is good.
Besides, many of the more interesting projects have their own thread.

^^I like to think our forum expands exponentially. But, yeah, this threads sees less activity with all the Tjuvholmen and Bjørvika-threads...

Or Filipstad, or Vestbanen...

^^ which is good, this thread is way too big anyway.

http://www.byggaktuelt.no/article/flere-folk-og-store-oppdrag
Prosjektering av veistrekningen Bommestad-Sky i Vestfold og prosjektering av bru over Farriseidet, utredning av høyhastighastighets jernbaneforbindelse mellom Oslo og Trondheim for Jernbaneverket, signalbygg i Bjørvika for KLP og utredning av gullgruvedrift i Finnmark er noen eksempler på nye oppdrag i 2011.

Do you know which building they are referring to when saying "Signalbygg i Bjørvika"? Is it the existing KLP building?

Krystallklar?

Krystallklar?

Sounds right. I forgot that KLP was behind that one.

- mulighet for å gå på en helt nyetablert flytende gangbro til Sørenga.

I bet the floating bridge will give some good photo oppertunities of Barcode :)

^^We should get like a tripod and a wide-angle lens, and finally get that Oslo-banner going...

Absolument! I can't remember any Oslo-banner at all here on SSC..

Krever akvarietomt ved Operaen (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article584664.ece)

Filling in Akerselva at Vaterlands park:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0602.jpg

For the Midgards worm project :)

I thought i would find Icecheese panegyric celebration-post regarding all the highrises rising in Barcode here, but I couldn't find it.

Oh well, I just wanted to join the celebration. As it looks now, they will all be T/O this autumn + winter, and I guess the cladding will be completed by the next summer. If that isn't great, I don't know what great is :happy:

I would also like to add that I noticed a premature party at "Bølgen" today. It is almost completed! :)

Tjuvholmen, the Japanese restaurant is soon opening in the oval building. I also saw that they have started digging in the canal splitting the Icon-complex. Probably just a matter of time before the bridges will be placed and the area open for public. We already know that the first people will move in soon(2011/12).

And to sum it up, phase 2 at Sørenga is rising. The fjordcity we have been waiting for so long is soon here :cheers:

Yeah, it's great! I love to see progress on several parts of the city from each time I visit them.

I thought i would find Icecheese panegyric celebration-post regarding all the highrises rising in Barcode here, but I couldn't find it.
It's in the DnB-thread :)

But no pictures?

Fredag åpner Nordenga bru (http://www.bygg.no/2011/08/fredag-aapner-nordenga-bru)

Åpen Dag i Bjørvika 28. August - Program. (http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20(PBE)/Internett%20(PBE)/Dokumenter/Filer%20utlagte%20saker/2011/Vandrekart_2011.pdf)

^^And I hope to see many forumers there. Should we have a meeting point, as we did last year? I'm looking forward to backtalking the Sørenga crew again!:lol:

^^ I doubt I will be able to go due to Birkebeineren being the same weekend. Perhaps I can send some of the allegedly duplicates of me.

Maybe Nordenga bru is a good meeting point? It's opening on the 26th, but I'm sure a lot of people won't have had the time to check it out.

I'll be there! Just say when and where:)

And now that I've been able to access Twitter again, I can make a announcement about it from the Yimby account.

We can probably meet at the the south end of Nordenga bridge. Say noon? We are probably going to need some hours if all are riding the firetruck...

Btw, traffic won't enter the bridge untill Tuesday on Nordenga. (but those damn traffic lights in Schweigaards are already functioning, making the only "fast part" of Ekebergbanen much slower:ohno:)

^^ I doubt I will be able to go due to Birkebeineren being the same weekend. Perhaps I can send some of the allegedly duplicates of me.

This is you?: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4208336.ece

:nuts:

Yes, of course it is. :nuts::lol:

Video: Slik ble Nordenga bru bygget (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4208631.ece#xtor=RSS-3)

Video: Slik ble Nordenga bru bygget (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4208631.ece#xtor=RSS-3)

15-20,000 cars/day expected, and only 1 lane in each direction?? Vegvesenets own standards operate with minimum 12,000 as criteria for dual lanes..

^^Not on city streets. Different norms for "gater" og "veier"... According to norm, 4 lanes should be "considered" when traffic pass AADT of 15.000. Obviously not an absolute.

15-20,000 cars/day expected, and only 1 lane in each direction?? Vegvesenets own standards operate with minimum 12,000 as criteria for dual lanes..

In addition we'll have the Nylands bridge with 4 lanes crossing the rail track. So in total: 3 lanes in each direction, compared to 2 that is today.

Say noon?

I'll be a few minutes little late - leaving from Halden very soon using a polluting-wagon.

Hope you guys had fun! I couldn't get there before 13:00 so I was a little late for the meetup.

It was good though, the new NSB train was a highlight. Great exterior, really nice and spacious on the inside.

Also this:

http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/article4212015.ece

Apparently Juan Hererros himself was at the Lambda stand. Did any of you get the chance to talk to him and show some support?

We didn't talk to him, he was being interviewed by Aftenposten while we were in the tent.

Wonder what's wrong with the OSU camera this time? I find it frustrating how often it is out of order :(

^^It's pretty old for an outdoor webcam...

^^Not on city streets. Different norms for "gater" og "veier"... According to norm, 4 lanes should be "considered" when traffic pass AADT of 15.000. Obviously not an absolute.

While off topic. Karmsundsgaten in Haugesund is some 26 000 AADT if i'm not wrong now... that's almost twice the 4 lane rule of thumb...

While off topic. Karmsundsgaten in Haugesund is some 26 000 AADT if i'm not wrong now... that's almost twice the 4 lane rule of thumb...

That's a old road though. Mossveien have 33.000 AADT according to this (http://sintef.org/Projectweb/PROFIT/Oslo-Havn/). That's road with this standard. Also old though.
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/mossevei.png

Some various pictures from the open day:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Bjorvika11/DSC01999.jpg


http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Bjorvika11/DSC02001.jpg


http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Bjorvika11/DSC02003.jpg



...oh, this was the developement-thread! :lol::nuts:

I'm pretty sure I saw you guys riding a flying fish that day.. :shifty:

Tried Nordenga bridge yesterday. By car. Drove across a couple of times to get the "feel" of it. I must say it's a great shortcut to Schweigaards gate, taking no time to get across the rails, and it's nice to drive on too.

So what's your current speed record then?

Tried Nordenga bridge yesterday. By car. Drove across a couple of times to get the "feel" of it. I must say it's a great shortcut to Schweigaards gate, taking no time to get across the rails, and it's nice to drive on too.Didn't realise it was open! Haha I'll probably drive it tomorrow just for the fun of it.

So what's your current speed record then?

Over the bridge?
Not the place to try a record, although there wasn't many other cars when i drove it.

Over the bridge?
Not the place to try a record, although there wasn't many other cars when i drove it.

I also drove there 2 days ago. The bridge is fine, but I didn't like the lights that are too bright and placed directly in eye-hight.

They are? That's a shame. I drove in daylight, so i can't say my opinon on the lighting yet.

I'm pretty sure I saw you guys riding a flying fish that day.. :shifty:
And what were you on....? :lol:

I'm sure some people on this forum is on something, all day every day, 24/7. Remember the thread where everyone claimed they saw something in the water in the picture outside Aker Brygge? :nuts:

Oh no, you got it all wrong. It was Redbull Flugtag in Bjørvika that day. You can see the flying fish here..

i2X1etePH0M&feature=related

^^ That looked painful... X(

^^ That looked painful... X(

Yes, I hope to see Icecheese and Ingenioren on a flying model of Oslo Plaza next time. That would be fun! (not because of the pain though)

Haha wow, I had no idea this took place. As I a kid I used to love the show like this they did at Holmenkollen every summer.

– Kyststien skal ikke gå gjennom folks hager! (http://www.noblad.no/nyheter/kyststien-skal-ikke-ga-gjennom-folks-hager-1.6466674)
"Høyre, Venstre og Frp vil støtte private grunneiere mellom Ulvøybrua og Fiskevollen som ikke ønsker kyststi over eiendommene sine."
http://www.noblad.no/polopoly_fs/kyststi-ulv-ybrua-1.6466676!/image/1552058139.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904/1552058139.jpg

^^Well, I DO think the coastline of Oslo in general is to much fenced off, but on the other hand, that's certainly not somewhere I would take my Sunday walks either.

Wonder what's wrong with the OSU camera this time? I find it frustrating how often it is out of order :(

The osu-cam is back on track now!

The osu-cam is back on track now!

Finally! I had hoped for a camera with control and a real zoom though :tongue3:


Btw, did you guys know that the fences in the Nordenga bridge has more than 6 million holes in it??? :omg: That is three times the number of dairy cows milked in the UK, every day ! :cheers:

Finally! I had hoped for a camera with control and a real zoom though :tongue3:


This web cam is actually one of the better ones. Most webcams broadcast in VGA resolutions or less, so I think we should be fairly happy with this one. The Sørenga webcams are good examples of what I mean.

Year to year update of barcode:

September 2009:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Bjrvika20090924.jpg


September 2010:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Bjrvika20100929.jpg


September 2011:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Bjrvika20110909.jpg

Preparing for the aquarium (http://www.dagsavisen.no/kultur/article520715.ece)

http://www.dagsavisen.no/multimedia/archive/00077/akvarium_77146q.jpg

Choices choices... (http://www.ostkantavisa.no/nyheter/slik-kan-det-bli-i-bjorvika-1.6495486)
(From ostkantavisa.no)
This?
http://www.ostkantavisa.no/polopoly_fs/skisse-1.6495488!/image/3561837236.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904x508/3561837236.jpg

or this?
http://www.ostkantavisa.no/polopoly_fs/skisse-1.6495489!/image/3912071940.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904x508/3912071940.jpg


This?
http://www.ostkantavisa.no/polopoly_fs/skisse-1.6495490!/image/794938064.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904x508/794938064.jpg


or this?
http://www.ostkantavisa.no/polopoly_fs/skisse-1.6495491!/image/302113632.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904x508/302113632.jpg

I like number one in both projects.

The Akerselva proposal 2 seems a bit overfilled with elements and trees, and the river is more accessable in the first prop. Less is more in many cases.

The Bispekilen prop 1 have more living space for people, and the curves I find more attractive than the straight lines. Water is an element that is sufficient in Bjørvika. Although the other one is also nice.

Number 1 at PWC, and for Bispekilen I would prefer a compromise, a middle solution.

1 & 2

Choices choices... (http://www.ostkantavisa.no/nyheter/slik-kan-det-bli-i-bjorvika-1.6495486)
(From ostkantavisa.no)
This?
http://www.ostkantavisa.no/polopoly_fs/skisse-1.6495488!/image/3561837236.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904x508/3561837236.jpg

My choice.

This?
http://www.ostkantavisa.no/polopoly_fs/skisse-1.6495490!/image/794938064.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_904x508/794938064.jpg

I would prefer this suggestion only with a wider channel at the end.

My choice.

I would prefer this suggestion only with a wider channel at the end.

I agree. Even though I would like to have some width for the "waterway", it is cruical to have enough space for people and tables along the pier.

When it comes to the area next to the PwC building, I'm not blown away by any of them. Too many trees randomly planted. This would be nice in a forest, but less so in i a high density urban area.

This sounds interesting:

•Hav Eiendom har nå startet et parallelloppdrag med 4 arkitektgrupper som skal komme med hvert sitt idéforslag for 2 av Hav's beste boligtomter i fjordkanten innerst i Bispevika.

I guess they're speaking of B6a (and B6b?)or B2/B3, since the other Bispevika-quarters belongs to OSU.

Discoballbuilding, sukkerbiten:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1361.jpg

Roads:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1306.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1323.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1381.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1382.jpg

Statens Vegvesen's timescale for building the streets of Bjørvika. It features some renders we've seen before, but now in very good quality:): http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika/Nyhetsarkiv/_attachment/268929?_ts=132b9f7a840

^^
betongpelarna som är med på de tre mellersta bilderna, vad har de för nytta?
de har väl stått där i Oslo ett bra tag nu?

^^ Ventilation to the tunnel that goes beneath them. And yes, they do look like shit.

^^
betongpelarna som är med på de tre mellersta bilderna, vad har de för nytta?
de har väl stått där i Oslo ett bra tag nu?

As said, they're not temporary. But hopefully, they'll get the decorations finally, as been promised for half a decade already. Some illustrations:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/t114187.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/t117094.jpg

^^

I'm a bit unsure of the decorative quality of these lights. And why do we want the genetical code of a pest displayed? Does anyone have a link to all the proposals from the competition? I'm unable to find them.

Omg. DEG with tramlines won't be finish before in 4 years.

^^Look on the bright side. The tram in Prinsens gate and Dronning Eufemias gate may be finished at the same time!

Does anyone have a link to all the proposals from the competition? I'm unable to find them.

Atleast there's this old article:
http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/article2281260.ece

^^One problem was that the competition was (practicly) invite-only. If it was more publicly announced, I'm sure a lot of more interesting projects would've emerged.

They should have made the competition before building the towers to allow more freedom into the design...

Oh, and how sexy isn't this?

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/degy.png

Right next to the barcode row, there's another highrise right across the street, is that real?

It's still the culture-historical museum. http://www.statsbygg.no/Utviklingsprosjekter/khm/

yeah but i mean, is that a real proposal, will it be approved and built? I kinda like the looks of it, the way it is designed makes it look like a very powerful looking building.

It's approved as a museum. Architectual competition is expected as soon as they decide whether to put it only north of the avenue, or with a smaller exhibition area in the Mideaval park as well (or move the whole thing to Bygdøy). For heights of the building, nothing is really decided yet:
g) Byggehøyder for feltene C6, C8 og C11 skal avklares gjennom
bebyggelsesplanarbeidet. Bebyggelsens høyder skal trappes ned mot
Ladegårdsanlegget med Barokkhagen for å ivareta lysforhold og hensynet til
anleggets dimensjoner.


edit: And where are we today?

172 I 01-07-2011 Riksantikvaren Innsigelse - Kulturhistorisk Museum I Middelalderpark Detaljer

This must be the worst idea for the ventilation towers I have ever seen. If at least the lights were all white..

It seems like there have been some inconsistencies in communication between Ramberg and his contractor, though, so we may se another proposal realized:

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200612239

An article in the newspaper some time ago suggested Ramberg had collected enough private funding to cover the extra costs.

The culturehouse plot has a regulation allowing 48meters tall building, this is also suggested in the new regulation without controversy.

Almost every day you can find at least one nimby letter to the editor in aftenposten (morgenutgaven). Here's today's:

(..) Barcode kaller man rekken med høyhus vi tvinges til å leve med i fremtiden. Mens støyen rundt Lambda er merkbar, er det ingen som uttrykker sin mening om høyhusrekken. Fordi løpet er kjørt? (..) Tenk på alt som er skrevet om byplanlegging og utfomring av omgivelsene, alle gode forbilder man kan lære av og alle diskusjoner som har vært ført om arkitektur og livet mellom husene. Da er det skuffende å oppleve Barcode, en vegg av dominerende, middelmådige byggverk. Ny arkitektur skal vel skape noe å glede seg over og som fremtiden ønsker å ta vare på. Hvem gleder seg over det som skjer i Bjørvika? Byplansjefen har lovet oss en flott bydel, men blir den vakker, med trivelige byrom? Barcode vil trolig stå som minnesmrere over uheldig samrøre mellom private og offentliges samrør.

Signed Mari Kollandsrud, Sivilarkitekt.

Who are these trolls? Are we the outcasts? It really is such a sad view on urbanity, and their attitude and arrogant ways of expression suggest that their problems with modern, demanding architecture are at least partially an outlet for emotional/psychological distress confer their blind anger and almost hatred towards anything that doesn't resemble their images of beauty and idyll.

It's seriously depressing that these attitudes are celebrated and for ever gaining momentum. What is there to do? Perhaps Yimby should start co-ordinating weekly letters to the press, calling the nimbys in their factual errors, advocating urbanism and questioning why they criticise the alleged lack of quality in barcode, while letting commieblock after commieblock with no urban qualities whatsoever ruin larger parts of the city without raising their voice one bit.

And why the fuck does she except to see a debate about this now when everything is approved and all the buildings are under construction? Wouldn't it be slightly less retard to come up with this before we approve it? No wonder her views weren't meet.

Statens Vegvesen's timescale for building the streets of Bjørvika. It features some renders we've seen before, but now in very good quality:): http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/Bjorvika/Nyhetsarkiv/_attachment/268929?_ts=132b9f7a840

looks like plenty of photo ops next year then :D

and if i'm not mistaken it means that work can begin on deichmanns at phase 8? two years...

Too few shops and not enough parking areas in Bjørvika? OHF is worried (http://www.ohf.no/nyheter_full.asp?m=7535&newsID=1089), and rightly so I think, that too many restrictions are being placed on Bjørvika. Why doesn't Tjuvholmen seem to get any of the same restrictions?

^^OHF is turning more and more into a blast-of-the-past, sadly. I've said before, that I think their politic campains and cases focus to much on the malls. It's cars cars cars, while the total car use in Oslo is declining. Someone should give them a kick in the but, and inspire them to work more on what could create good shopping streets, and developing Torggata, Bogstadveien/Hegdehaugsveien, Markveien, Kvadraturen, etc. I guess those clients don't pay as much...

People can't carry grocery bags in Bjørvika? Well, they have to shop more than once a week, then...

^^OHF is turning more and more into a blast-of-the-past, sadly. I've said before, that I think their politic campains and cases focus to much on the malls. It's cars cars cars, while the total car use in Oslo is declining. Someone should give them a kick in the but, and inspire them to work more on what could create good shopping streets, and developing Torggata, Bogstadveien/Hegdehaugsveien, Markveien, Kvadraturen, etc. I guess those clients don't pay as much...

People can't carry grocery bags in Bjørvika? Well, they have to shop more than once a week, then...

I have to disagree. The shopping in the centre of Oslo is declining and not providing enough possibilities for car parking will further reduce the variety of shops in the city centre.

I'm not saying that Bjørvika will be inaccessible. After all, there are quite a few parking garages in the area already. Still I feel that short term, street side parking makes for a more lively urban feel.

I couldn't find a good picture to illustrate this now, but this one at least shows the Hollywood Boulevard with its street side parking. It makes the whole area more accessible and the road less of a highway. Without street side parking, you can't even pick up or drop off someone without jamming traffic.
(www.globeimages.net)
http://www.globeimages.net/data/media/5/los_angeles_hollywood_boulevard_from_kodak_theatre.jpg

Sentrum p-hus has always hundreds of available parking lots. But it's expencive as shit of course. Anyway, only 10% of the shoppers downtown drive to get there.

Another area in the Fjordcity-project is progressing. Oslo planning authorities has committed a group made up of representatives from the harbour authorities (Oslo Havn KF), the city antiqurian (Byantikvaren), the department of ctiy renewal (EBY), the department of city environment (BYM), and itself (PBE).
The group will in the next two years look at the possibilities for the area between Søndre Akershuskai (Rådhusplassen Fjordcity-project), Festningsalmenningen (Bjørvika Fjordcity-project), the fortress and the sea, today known as Vippetangen.
The result of the group's work should be a regulating plan for all of Vippetangen, ready for political decission 2013-14.

Good news or bad news you think?


Link to mandate: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3175728

^^ I fear that any new developments at Vippetangen will turn out to be of very low density, suburbia style with boring designs due to the wish from Riks-/byantikvaren to not interfere with sight of the fortress.

If you expect dense urban development right beneath the Fortress walls you will be dissapointed.

^^ I agree, and when I say "I fear" then I actually meant that this is what's most likely going to happen if they allow any developments at all.

Kritikken som stilnet (http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/article4262991.ece)

^^ How many constructions sites have "pølseboder" open for the public at them? :nuts:

Let's do like Obv wants and copy Rome's conservative approach to skyscrapers.... :nuts:

Ecco le torri romane...

http://i16.tinypic.com/6bnc80j.jpg

Oslo Byes Vel var også motstandere av Postgirobygget, Lambda, Oslo Plaza og bebyggelsen på Tjuvholmen.

:bleep:

^^ But pro demolishing of Grunerløkka and replacing it with commies.

Kritikken som stilnet (http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/article4262991.ece)

He sounds like a real Oslo man, he must never have been outside of Ring 3. :nuts:

Try to go to Helsfyr for example, or Fornebu and look for a polsebod.

The views presented in yesterday's article were so ridiculous that it must have had weakened rather than strengthened their cause.

I think the criticism against the barcode-project has silenced because of three main reasons. 1) They were way too late in the first place, and aren't any less late now 2) They have turned their focus to Lambda (not trying to imply that everyone negative to lambda are naysayers), in which they have been equally late in doing (why don't they pay attention before projects are covered in big media?) and 3) As the project goes on it's to more difficult to criticise because people actually like the project (some do, at least, and perhaps the project is turning into a guilty pleasure for the many that allegedly don't?) and it's easier to criticise a byggeplass without finished buildings rather than a byggeplass with finished and good-looking buildings. It will be even more difficult when the area get a street grid with businesses and families moving in and shops and restaurants getting established.

They don't have a millisecond to spare for Tjuvholmen and Barcode in terms of creating life and so on, but where are they when it comes to for example Pilestredet Park? The latter is probably even more central, but as far as I can recall, there's not one single pølsebod inside the park.

They talk about barcode not adding something to the city. The development of Bjørvika is probably among the most transforming city developments in central areas since the city was moved. It used to be a freaking huge parking lot for crying out loud, and they complain about barcode not adding anything. They have to be crazy. And one has to be blind not to see that Oslo will become a better city because of Dronning Eufemias Gate and surrounding street grid.

With the development of the Central Station and hopefully Schweigaards Gate as well, Bjørvika with surrounding areas may actually be something to visit; something to experience and something to look at, rather than something to be ashamed of. And that makes the velforening oh, so angry.

^^I very much agree to that!:)


I read this document some days ago, but forgot to post. Interesting stuff, or not? http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3295222

So in short, PBE makes some thoughts about where we can replace the lost sqm from the compromise with Riksantikvaren (in the Munch/Deichman-case). The letter is an answer to a question from a representative from Frp.

Some quotes:
Det foreligger ingen konkrete planer for at tapt areal ved en eventuell utvidelse av Kongsbakkealmenningen kan erstattes et annet sted innenfor reguleringsplan S-4099 for Bjørvika-Bispevika-Lohavn. Tidligere analyser har imidlertid vist at det er rom for noe mer fortetting på arealene rundt Havnelageret, uten at det kan gis et nøyaktig anslag av hvor mye areal man kan hente inn del. Det beror på mange forhold, og må eventuelt utredes nærmere.

Som det fremkommer av overnnevnte argumentasjon, er Plan- og bygningsetaten kritisk til en eventuell innhenting av arealtapet skal hentes inn andre steder, vil dette trolig gi betydelige tap av kvaliteter i de områene arealene tilføres.

Twin towers in front of Børsen ofcourse....

They don't have a millisecond to spare for Tjuvholmen and Barcode in terms of creating life and so on, but where are they when it comes to for example Pilestredet Park? The latter is probably even more central, but as far as I can recall, there's not one single pølsebod inside the park.

Yeah, this piss me off too. Pilestredet Park is basically a guarded community right in the middle of the city yet not a single person bats an eyelid, because for them a highrise = evil while anything short is a good development. Full stop. It does gets quite tiresome after a while.

^^
I walk through pilestredet park many times and can describe it differently.
It contains shops, hairdressers, offices, clinics and HIO nursing college. I always see people walking biking through.. It is also busteling with public summer sunning in the applicable months! because of its surroundings it is a very peaceful public park.. I agree its not the most urban of places but it works somehow at least. Those old wall are there to stay and the big hospital buildings are vert funktional.. I agree the modernized residential "quarters" are far to suburban - and take up valuable potential park space. tear em down if u ask me.. But the park + big hospital building thing works.. me likes..!

^^ I agree that Pilestredet Park have some nice squares and public spaces, but the problem lies (at least for me) in the suburbian style housing development in lower portion of the development. These are what I would describe as a basically guarded community right in the middle of the city due to the wall. Of course I realize that the wall was and is protected, but should rather have gone for a high density development with a cobblestone laid path along the wall, giving it a certain old town feeling.

The tearing down of Bispelokket (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article622284.ece) will start Monday (31. oct.) :banana: Finally!
The roads will close already Friday to be able make another temporary roundabout. Rostockergata will also close, so the motorists have to drive around lokket to get to Oslo S

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00092/142266-np_jpg_92840b.jpg

Finally!!!!
:dance:

Nice!

The amount of idiots in the debate sections of net articles in VG, DB, AP etc. is just... dazzling, to the level where it's just embarassing and you hope no foreigner ever reads it.:nuts:

^^ I have been using only Chrome lately (before I used FFox) and Disqus comment system never loads for me on *any* pages that use it... Just tried with I.Explorer and there it works properly. Sorry for offtopic but does anyone have an idea why that is?

I'm kinda like both a forum and comments guy so gotta have the comments, even if I agree there's a lot of stupid crap being said! But it's entertaining to read, at times more entertaining than the articles themselves ;)

Nice!

The amount of idiots in the debate sections of net articles in VG, DB, AP etc. is just... dazzling, to the level where it's just embarassing and you hope no foreigner ever reads it.:nuts:

There is busses using Nordenga bru. I use the tram in Schweigaards gate daily, and often see the green busses waiting for signal at the new intersection. Don't remember which routes, though.

^^ I have been using only Chrome lately (before I used FFox) and Disqus comment system never loads for me on *any* pages that use it... Just tried with I.Explorer and there it works properly. Sorry for offtopic but does anyone have an idea why that is?

I'm kinda like both a forum and comments guy so gotta have the comments, even if I agree there's a lot of stupid crap being said! But it's entertaining to read, at times more entertaining than the articles themselves ;)

It might be a security restriction since the Disqus content is fetched from another server than the hosting newspaper site. Enabeling cross domain web pages or something like that might help. IE9 gives a warning about this on db.no, but after accepting the warning, the commentaries load. I might be rambelling...

The demolition will start ok, but I can't feel much joy before the whole damn thing is out of sight..

It might be a security restriction since the Disqus content is fetched from another server than the hosting newspaper site. Enabeling cross domain web pages or something like that might help.

I just found out that it's the 'Ghostery' add-on that causes the issues by googling something so original as "chrome disqus not working" :P :)

There is busses using Nordenga bru. I use the tram in Schweigaards gate daily, and often see the green busses waiting for signal at the new intersection. Don't remember which routes, though.Yeah I actually realised that right after I commented it. :nuts: The 331 bus probably does.

^^I recognized the 334 today:)

Something needs to start happening with regards to plans for the south side of DEG. The tearing down of Bispelokket will make this area buildable within a year. I have found a "Mulighetsstudie (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3149568)" for B2, B3 and B7 on PBE's site which is a start.

https://sn2files.storage.live.com/y1pZfE8PbspwgvFZc1c3MCxTU6Dt1uIhh_ZuCf_w0kE9KrO98o3IP0-jDAbTaThrRaMMXQ1A95SSVY/B2-B3-B7.PNG?psid=1

^^The plots won't be ready next year, though. Most likely they won't start building till DEg is done east of Akerselva; that is late (November) 2013.

^^The plots won't be ready next year, though. Most likely they won't start building till DEg is done east of Akerselva; that is late (November) 2013.

Do you know if the blocks will have one design each or if there will be many architects working on their part of it like in Tjuvholmen?

Pretty sure it's going to be one designer each, but you never know.

Would be nice with some variation.

New name for stasjonsallmenningen bridge. The name committee has gotten around 50 proposals from the public, and they're left with two finalists.

"Flygende Hollender" and "Akrobaten".

Bydelsutvalget will decide on the 10th of november.

Can't really choose one over the other. I think Flygende hollender is a bit pompous and hard to use in everyday speech while akrobaten is a bit silly and sounds like a nickname rather than a real name. I probably prefer Flygende hollender.

My god.. the comments on that article are just... You know what, forget it, I won't even start...

Seem like the tram in Fjordcity will be realised. The article has some nice rendrings as well.
http://htmlimg1.scribdassets.com/2auf6kblog18dveg/images/22-db72e4822d.jpg
http://www.scribd.com/doc/71508526/Trikken-i-Bj%C3%B8rvika-via-S%C3%B8renga

Nice!
Just rotating the image to see it better:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Bjrvika95.jpg

and adding this

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Bjrvika96.jpg

^^ Even if I have some small qualms/innsigelser about the parts of Bjørvika/eastern Fjordbyen coming after Barcode, it will be really great and interesting to see when all this is finished! :D

And by the way: I didn't know Håkon Vs gate would have this profile:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Untitled-3.jpg


Cars/busses on one side and trams in the west lanes. Leaving Sørenga bridge like this:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Untitled2.jpg

Seem like the tram in Fjordcity will be realised.

It still has a long way to go, but we can always hope :)

Seem like the tram in Fjordcity will be realised. The article has some nice rendrings as well.
http://htmlimg1.scribdassets.com/2auf6kblog18dveg/images/22-db72e4822d.jpg
http://www.scribd.com/doc/71508526/Trikken-i-Bj%C3%B8rvika-via-S%C3%B8renga

It's an investigation written by a local initiative with strong interest in getting the Fjordtram via Sørenga. This has no value without politicians that agrees with them.

Oh man... those buildings facing 'middelalderparken' (medieval park) looks like something that fell from the sky, bounced off Baghdad before finally settling in Oslo.

It better turn out better than in that rendering.

Don't worry, it's just a volume study. None of the designs are final.

Those aren't even designs, just pbe famous creativity... :blæh:

Nice!

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Bjrvika96.jpg

Crying out for a bit of height - i can't see how they can approve so much new and fairly dense development and not include a bit more height: in the near ground a couple of 70m or so towers would make it much more dynamic interesting visually.

^^ I think you can't expect much of that, mainly for two reasons. The buildings are supposed to "slope down" towards the water is one reason, another is that I believe both politicians and a lot of people don't want to have (many/more than one) tall buildings "blocking" the view towards Ekeberg from the direction of Sentrum and the Opera.

I don't think it would be a good idea to build anything tall there. The city appears much nicer imho with a general low height and with one cluster that breaks with this. Any highrise here would just results in Barcode+Plaza/Postgiro feeling even less like a cluster.

I don't think it would be a good idea to build anything tall there. The city appears much nicer imho with a general low height and with one cluster that breaks with this. Any highrise here would just results in Barcode+Plaza/Postgiro feeling even less like a cluster.

I think you are quite alone woth your views here. And not only is it a question of highrises, but also midrises. Why is an area of Oslo easily characteristiced as part of downtown, being filled with lowrised that would just as well fit in a suburb? The density here is FAR lower that of Kvadraturen, and also the office areas of Vika, other Fjordcity areas and downtown north. Why can't we have 10-12-floorers in completed quarter structures? Or a just a well designed highrise here and there, without it necessarily having to be Plaza-height. Who has decided that it is godless to live in housing-structures taller than 20-25 meters? And why is it that "the city appears much nicer" if it's orginazed as a blanket of lowrises, that ads nothing than a grey mass between the Mideaval park and the fjord.

Now I know we unfortunately have to follow the concrete vent-towers as a referance to how high we can build, but I feel that the current plan for usage in this area is far to low in comparison to expense of land, and need for housing. Not every place can have as big outdoors area per appartment, and sunlight requirements as is demanded by the municipality here.

The air vents is what's ruining it in my opinion. They are just so... :ohno:
Could they really not build the tunnel without them standing right THERE?

It should at least be built along whole of Håkon Vs gate, making them a bit more discrete, when passing them.

I think you are quite alone woth your views here. And not only is it a question of highrises, but also midrises. Why is an area of Oslo easily characteristiced as part of downtown, being filled with lowrised that would just as well fit in a suburb? The density here is FAR lower that of Kvadraturen, and also the office areas of Vika, other Fjordcity areas and downtown north. Why can't we have 10-12-floorers in completed quarter structures? Or a just a well designed highrise here and there, without it necessarily having to be Plaza-height. Who has decided that it is godless to live in housing-structures taller than 20-25 meters? And why is it that "the city appears much nicer" if it's orginazed as a blanket of lowrises, that ads nothing than a grey mass between the Mideaval park and the fjord.

Now I know we unfortunately have to follow the concrete vent-towers as a referance to how high we can build, but I feel that the current plan for usage in this area is far to low in comparison to expense of land, and need for housing. Not every place can have as big outdoors area per appartment, and sunlight requirements as is demanded by the municipality here.

Did you read the comment I was answering? It wasn't a call for higher general density, but 70m highrises here. I think the city appears much nicer with some dominant and higher highrises one place rather than 70m highrises everywhere. And Kvadraturen fits my definition of lowrise.

Did you read the comment I was answering? It wasn't a call for higher general density, but 70m highrises here. I think the city appears much nicer with some dominant and higher highrises one place rather than 70m highrises everywhere. And Kvadraturen fits my definition of lowrise.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Imho; in general the nicest/most exciting cityscapes are the ones where buildings create a rugged "terrain" giving the eye a lot of differing features to rest at. A cityscape that is completely flat except for one particular feature is better than one without that feature at all, but even that becomes boring after a while. It's a matter of Kilimanjaro vs the Alps. Both are nice in their respect, but Kili is something you look at once, and then want to go there. The Alps are also nice to climb, but when you get to the top, you want to keep climbing a different peak.

NY is ofc the foremost exponent of this. There, not only do they have loads of differing building heights, but the buildings themselves have setbacks and features that brings an almost endless amount of detail to explore visually.

And ofc, it has two clusters that both work brilliantly, in fact probably better than if everything was spread evenly. The skyline from the 30's when they could see ESB, Chrysler, AIB, 40WS ++ growing out of a forest of smaller buildings was what got people aware that the cityscape itself could be a beautiful feature from afar. So I'm not saying no to clusters; far from it. But even the non-cluster parts of town should be allowed to contribute something rather than nothing.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Imho; in general the nicest/most exciting cityscapes are the ones where buildings create a rugged "terrain" giving the eye a lot of differing features to rest at. A cityscape that is completely flat except for one particular feature is better than one without that feature at all, but even that becomes boring after a while. It's a matter of Kilimanjaro vs the Alps. Both are nice in their respect, but Kili is something you look at once, and then want to go there. The Alps are also nice to climb, but when you get to the top, you want to keep climbing a different peak.

NY is ofc the foremost exponent of this. There, not only do they have loads of differing building heights, but the buildings themselves have setbacks and features that brings an almost endless amount of detail to explore visually.

And ofc, it has two clusters that both work brilliantly, in fact probably better than if everything was spread evenly. The skyline from the 30's when they could see ESB, Chrysler, AIB, 40WS ++ growing out of a forest of smaller buildings was what got people aware that the cityscape itself could be a beautiful feature from afar. So I'm not saying no to clusters; far from it. But even the non-cluster parts of town should be allowed to contribute something rather than nothing.
NY have exactly what I want: A good contrast between the low parts of the city and the higher parts of the city with makes a two well defined clusters (lower manhatten and midtown). The same could be said about Paris with La Defense. Sao Paulo and Tokyo on the other hand are cities that have half-high highrises everywhere with little contrast between lowish parts of the city and the higher. Their skylines aren't particularly impressive as a results.

I don't see your point that the lowrise parts of the city contributes with nothing to it. Are you seriously suggesting that the city would be equally as good without grunerløkka, kvadraturen, tjuvholmen, majorstua etc?

I don't see your point that the lowrise parts of the city contributes with nothing to it. Are you seriously suggesting that the city would be equally as good without grunerløkka, kvadraturen, tjuvholmen, majorstua etc?

That's really out of the question. We're debating whether the new areas should be developed as we did with old areas has been or not.

Tjuvholmen is actually a good example of what can be done in this part of the city. High density with mostly buildings in the range of 8-14 floors. We really need to fit as much square meters as possible in this area as the lack of housing downtown is immense. Oslo can still get a nice cluster if the tracks on Oslo S is developed in the right way.

That's really out of the question. We're debating whether the new areas should be developed as we did with old areas has been or not.
That's all examples of lowrise developments. If you believe that they gave something to the city, than I can't understand why any new developments of similar scale shouldn't do the same. In short I don't follow the logic that highrises are the only developments that "give" something to the city.

The tearing down. 08.11.11:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081614.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081616.jpg

The tearing down. 08.11.11:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081614.jpg

Well it's hard to resist, actually I can't:

:banana:

:cheers: :lol:

^^^^
This will be one of the single most important changes to Bjørvika.

In short I don't follow the logic that highrises are the only developments that "give" something to the city.

They are not, but they give more.

No, I disagree. Grunerløkka or similar lowrise neighbourhood gives way more to the city than the few shitty highrises we currently have. I'm not saying we should never build highrises, but it should be room for both.

NY have exactly what I want: A good contrast between the low parts of the city and the higher parts of the city with makes a two well defined clusters (lower manhatten and midtown). The same could be said about Paris with La Defense. Sao Paulo and Tokyo on the other hand are cities that have half-high highrises everywhere with little contrast between lowish parts of the city and the higher. Their skylines aren't particularly impressive as a results.

I don't see your point that the lowrise parts of the city contributes with nothing to it. Are you seriously suggesting that the city would be equally as good without grunerløkka, kvadraturen, tjuvholmen, majorstua etc?
I would say London is a good exponent for what I'm talking about. While La Defence is nice in itself, Paris' qualities aren't the skyline - it leaves La Defence to do that job alone. Maybe someone will say Paris wouldn't be Paris with/without blablabla, but Oslo isn't Paris and shouldn't try to become Paris. If Tokyo could only get a cluster like Shanghai (and I'm just talking maybe 10 buildings here - negligible addition to what's already there) it would be a gem - exactly what I'm talking about with a center piece and loads going on around that center too. Stupid faultline... :(

So am I saying that Grünerløkka contributes nothing to the city? Of course not. But I am saying it doesn't contribute to the skyline. So while lowrises, just like highrises, can and do make positive contributions to their immediate surroundings, only highrises can create a city "landscape" (or skyline if you prefer). And I wouldn't agree with your seeming implication that Grünerløkkas qualities are because of it's building scale - rather it happens because they kept their streets busy with building fronts towards the road rather than perpendicular to it and because they threw in a couple of parks.

And the people ofc. The kinds of shops and bars in an area is ruled by law and trends more than what planners made of it 100 years ago.

So all I'm after is a little variation. I oppose height limits exactly because when you deprive architects of the option to design in the 3rd dimension, variety and creativity suffers. And often, as in the case of Clarion Hotel Royal Christiana*, it makes worse what opponents of highrises criticize the them for.



*Yeah I know. That one might actually end up in the "mid-range" above the 42 m limit. But ignore that - I hope you understand me.

Paris has no highrises outside La Dèfense? There is a dozen 100m towers just one kilometer from Eiffel Tower and plenty more scattered over many areas of inner and outer city with the tallest being over 200m tall.

Meh, I think Paris best quality is the awesome skyline. Londons skyline on the other hand sucks big time unless you manage to catch a angle where you get all of it one picture (making it look like one cluster).
So am I saying that Grünerløkka contributes nothing to the city? Of course not. But I am saying it doesn't contribute to the skyline. So while lowrises, just like highrises, can and do make positive contributions to their immediate surroundings, only highrises can create a city "landscape" (or skyline if you prefer).

I disagree. Low and dense neighbourhoods with a church peeking above them like Gruneløkka looks great from above. Grunerløkka also add a contrast to the few highrises in front. This contras would be lost withouts it fairly consisted height.


And I wouldn't agree with your seeming implication that Grünerløkkas qualities are because of it's building scale

You have gotten the wrong impression if you think that I'm arguing that highrises kills street life. I'm not. I'm arguing that highrises alter the impression of the city when viewed as whole (in a skyline picture, areal etc). This don't have to be bad thing if done right, but it can be if done wrong. I think to build 70m highrises "everywhere" is how do it wrong. Rather make a cluster of high, high quality and slender towers.
3rd dimension, variety and creativity suffers
How you been to Tjuvholmen or Kvadraturen? Because they both manage to do exactly this while maintaining a fairly low height.

Paris has no highrises outside La Dèfense? There is a dozen 100m towers just one kilometer from Eiffel Tower and plenty more scattered over many areas of inner and outer city with the tallest being over 200m tall.
Yes, I know. And Paris would look better without them.