#Projects: Liverpool

[Italo-Australian]

Eagle Towers:
I finally managed to post a rendering of the proposed Eagle Towers. It is a tad primitive as I had to scan a pic from the local newspaper then upload it in to Sony Image Station.
I've also posted excerpts from the article.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/p162d227b6a2c5f968df1ca8a578e5d47/f8dea944.jpg

Tower gets thumbs up>>>A huge skyscraper could mark out Liverpool's skyline after it was given the thumbs up by an independent panel, despite concerns over height. Plans for Eagle Towers on the cnr of Norfolk and Castlereagh Sts in the Southern CBD, comprises 27 and 31 storeys of prime real estate in the form of 306 flats, 3018sqm of retail space, offices and a gym. Hailed as the gateway site, the towering apartment blocks will certainly have commanding presence in the southern end of the city
Fingers crossed.



Multiplex:
I also uploaded a better image of the proposed Multiplex development, which shows more detail and the top of Tower 1.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/pb1e504af2798b3e9eb1c402b37fa85df/f8dea940.jpg




Woodward Park:
This development is up in the air following the sacking of Liverpool Council after its involvement with Bulldogs enterprise the "Oasis". However, there is still a Memoranum of Understanding between LCC and the Macquarie Bank, which was agreed to in the wake of the Oasis collapse. These may inlude:
1.Apartment blocks in Woodward Park (4 towers, 2 x 16 storeys, 2 x 12 storeys)
2.Apartment block on the Bathurst St carpark (30 storeys)
3.New Council chambers in the heart of the city at the run-down Terminus St carpark (between 20 - 30 storeys)
4.Redevelopment of two other carparks.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/pc512f58077d4842ee0a01f7714da84ab/f8dea939.jpg



Liverpool's Changing Skyline. (A representation using AutoCAD)

Current Skyline

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/p14b72ecee53f8370c0bfceca5f7f2426/f8dea93d.jpg


Proposed Skyline

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/pc4bbab6a3ce5a846ad9132bec984ded2/f8dea941.jpg


Proposed Skyline if the MOU between LCC and Mac Bank ever evolves.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/pabe20bcfe4028121fb0f6f84f061b556/f8dea93c.jpg



I'm still trying to get images of Elevation (cnr of Castlereagh and Campbell) 12 storeys.

[CULWULLA]

wow, those eagle towers will sure dominate the livo skyline!! the tallest would be easily 300ft/90m high! the views from upper floors would be incredible!
cheers

[Fabian]

Good finds. It looks like another Chatswood is on the cards.

Speaking about the Woodward park development, I think the stadium has been ditched with the rest in doubt. Not much has been done either with parts of the site being dug up along with some of the foundations of the basketball complex. It was such a promising development for Liverpool and it's disappointing that this one has been left to rot. I hope Macquarie Bank revive the project.

[Italo-Australian]

Good finds. It looks like another Chatswood is on the cards.

Speaking about the Woodward park development, I think the stadium has been ditched with the rest in doubt. Not much has been done either with parts of the site being dug up along with some of the foundations of the basketball complex. It was such a promising development for Liverpool and it's disappointing that this one has been left to rot. I hope Macquarie Bank revive the project.

Yup - Macquarie Bank are the only hope. The stadiums of course will be dropped from the development, but there is a rumour that the water park may still be on the cards.

[MrTall]

That CAD skyline is fantastic! It shows the scattered nature of the possible future Liverpool skyline....looks a bit like Parramatta. The cental-grid area of Liverpool is quite massive and has lots of potential however so far it has nothing to show for it's promise. :wallbash:

[Italo-Australian]

That CAD skyline is fantastic! It shows the scattered nature of the possible future Liverpool skyline....looks a bit like Parramatta. The cental-grid area of Liverpool is quite massive and has lots of potential however so far it has nothing to show for it's promise. :wallbash:

If the Multiplex project goes ahead you will find that a cluster of buildings will be created in the heart of Liverpool. The image below shows where the development will be built.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid114/p3ba2fb7793faf470e040bed0eaef864c/f8dbd164.jpg

Re: the AutoCAD representation - It is a North-West isometric view. So it would be the view you see from Lions Lookout at the top of Elizabeth Drive travelling east.

[Italo-Australian]

Some more 8 storey apartments on the cards for Liverpool.

Campbell and Castlereagh: 8 Floors

http://propertylook.com.au/listings/CBRE/CBRE_55/300/CBRE_55_29142_17299.jpg


16-18 George Street: 8 Floors

http://www.gpl.com.au/properties/nlpn/nlpn16-18geoa.jpg

[Italo-Australian]

Kibble is off her rocker - As Liverpool loses quality developments

I have been a strong supporter of Liverpool becoming the third Regional centre of Greater Sydney, as are most of the long serving residence of this great city - This is a view that is not shared by our current Administrator, Gabrielle Kibble. In the same week that Premier Carr announces that Liverpool is in the State Government's plans to become a more competitive and vibrant community, Kibble moved a motion to refuse the Multiplex development at the corner of Bigge, Elisabeth and George Streets. On what grounds do you ask? That the site has "potential archaeological relics" pertaining to St Lukes and Bigge Park. This is ludicrous considering St Lukes Church is 2 blocks away and the only affect on Bigge Park would be minimal shadowing in the afternoon considering the shortest tower would front the park. All I can see on the site is an eyesore, a rundown vehicle service center and a less than impressive Dick Smith store. Also in the same week, Kibble granted a demolition order for the historic cottage at 25 Speed St, but still has the nerve to approve Mosca Pserras 8-storey towers that remind me of concrete tissue boxes with balconies. Does any one else find this a tad bit hypocritical? It is about time that Liverpool's skyline gets a dose of good architectural taste with glass facades and creative uses of steel and concrete. Kibble and her Sydney Water cronies should stick to building pipelines underground where people cant see them, and concentrate on cleaning up the Oasis mess and stop stunting Liverpool's growth.

I was never fond of the previous council, but having one person making all the decisions for our city is undemocratic. At this rate we will fall behind Chatswood, Blacktown, Penrith and many more other thriving city centers that are attracting employment, cultural and entertainment facilities and other opportunities away from Liverpool. Let's hope Multiplex makes an appeal in the Land Environment Court, for our futures sake.

[MILIUX]

Any chance the oasis project to go ahead in the future? I really like that stadium/ice skating rink be built.

[MrTall]

Kibble is off her rocker - As Liverpool loses quality developments

I have been a strong supporter of Liverpool becoming the third Regional centre of Greater Sydney, as are most of the long serving residence of this great city - This is a view that is not shared by our current Administrator, Gabrielle Kibble. In the same week that Premier Carr announces that Liverpool is in the State Government's plans to become a more competitive and vibrant community, Kibble moved a motion to refuse the Multiplex development at the corner of Bigge, Elisabeth and George Streets. On what grounds do you ask? That the site has "potential archaeological relics" pertaining to St Lukes and Bigge Park. This is ludicrous considering St Lukes Church is 2 blocks away and the only affect on Bigge Park would be minimal shadowing in the afternoon considering the shortest tower would front the park. All I can see on the site is an eyesore, a rundown vehicle service center and a less than impressive Dick Smith store. Also in the same week, Kibble granted a demolition order for the historic cottage at 25 Speed St, but still has the nerve to approve Mosca Pserras 8-storey towers that remind me of concrete tissue boxes with balconies. Does any one else find this a tad bit hypocritical? It is about time that Liverpool's skyline gets a dose of good architectural taste with glass facades and creative uses of steel and concrete. Kibble and her Sydney Water cronies should stick to building pipelines underground where people cant see them, and concentrate on cleaning up the Oasis mess and stop stunting Liverpool's growth.

I was never fond of the previous council, but having one person making all the decisions for our city is undemocratic. At this rate we will fall behind Chatswood, Blacktown, Penrith and many more other thriving city centers that are attracting employment, cultural and entertainment facilities and other opportunities away from Liverpool. Let's hope Multiplex makes an appeal in the Land Environment Court, for our futures sake.

Sounds like a case of some silly tart getting a head swell. She must obviously enjoy the power of saying "No, you can't do that because I said so and I'm in charge here". Shits me to tears! :wallbash:

[Fabian]

Any chance the oasis project to go ahead in the future? I really like that stadium/ice skating rink be built.

See Italo-Australian reply which was a couple of posts before this one.

[Italo-Australian]

Sounds like a case of some silly tart getting a head swell. She must obviously enjoy the power of saying "No, you can't do that because I said so and I'm in charge here". Shits me to tears! :wallbash:

Tee hee he he he...I like your "...silly tart..." comment. He he he eh.

:wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :evil: :evil:

I know I'm using way too many similies. But words cant describe how peeved I am!!! I have sent a letter to the local newspaper to show my disgust.

I have a funny feeling that Gabrielle Kibble is quashing big developments in order to make the most of the MOU with Macquarie Bank - which still have the power to build 3 20-storey appartment blocks on 3 car park sites in the Liverpool CBD.

[SinCity]

The fucking whore .............. and I thought Parramatta was run by fools.

[Italo-Australian]

My letter to the Liverpool Leader won letter of the week!!!!

It is a great way to vent anger, sure beats bouncing off walls.

[MrTall]

Congratulations!

Can you post your letter here?

[finn]

A couple more new Liverpool developments!

Le Cedria - 14-16 Lachlan Street

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/319/x4713sc735865_1.jpg

Another new development, but I don't know the location details - I think the image name mentions the corner of Lachlan and George Streets, so maybe there:

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/631/x3253scgeorge___lachlan_st.jpg

[Trances]

Eagle Towers are huge

[Syd-Hk]

another chatswood...
i guess the great aussie dream is being scraped

[Fabian]

another chatswood...
i guess the great aussie dream is being scraped

The great Aussie Dream is still alive, despite the apartment boom with only 2 % of Sydneysiders living in apartments. Liverpool is not far at all from Bringelly, which is slated for massive development over the next twenty or so years. The Great Aussie Dream will continue to be alive in Liverpool for many years to come. Highrise living will be there for those who want it.

[Tony P]

Fabian, that "2%" has to be a mistake?!!! That means only 80000 odd in the whole of metro Sydney, which clearly can't be the case.

There would easily be 80000 in the CBD and Eastern Suburbs alone, let alone the thousands apon thousands that live in the Lower North Shore, and many more thousands along the suburbs that the train lines go through!

That figure would be more believeable if it were Australia-wide. That would mean 400,000 people all up.

[Grollo]

The great Aussie Dream is still alive, despite the apartment boom with only 2 % of Sydneysiders living in apartments. Liverpool is not far at all from Bringelly, which is slated for massive development over the next twenty or so years. The Great Aussie Dream will continue to be alive in Liverpool for many years to come. Highrise living will be there for those who want it.

17.5% of Sydneysiders live in a flat, unit or apartment with 6% of the population living in an apartment block 4 or more storeys high.

9% of Australins live in a flat, unit or apartment with 2% of the population living in an apartment block 4 or more storeys high.

[Fabian]

17.5% of Sydneysiders live in a flat, unit or apartment with 6% of the population living in an apartment block 4 or more storeys high.

9% of Australins live in a flat, unit or apartment with 2% of the population living in an apartment block 4 or more storeys high.

I got my info the SMH which had an article on it last Wednesday stating that "Only 2 per cent of the population had been converted to apartment living by 2001, up from 1 per cent in 1981." and 60 % of them were Sydneysiders. I took it as applying to Sydney and the article suggested it. It didn't bother mentioning the other stats which you provided. Thanks for correcting it? Where did you get your info from?

A link to the article where I got my info

http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2004/06/15/1087244918238.html

[CULWULLA]

back in 1990, there were 2000 residents in Sydney's CBD. In 2005 there will be 40,000!!

[Syd-Hk]

there's waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too many residental towers being built that's why!

[Italo-Australian]

Congratulations!

Can you post your letter here?


Sorry Mr Tall I hadnt been in this thread for a while. But the letter was almost identical to my thread above posted on May 10.

[Italo-Australian]

Application for a 17-storey building for Terminus Street was put in the paper yesterday.
It is mixed use, with 65 residential units and commercial retail suites with basement carpark. Creedence Planning is the applicant. I'll see if I can get a image.

So here is an update on proposals and projects for buildings 10 floors and higher:

Eagle Tower 1
31 Floors
Haven’t heard anything since the announcement.

Eagle Tower 2
27 Floors
As above

Multiplex Tower 1
26 Floors
Quashed by Council, Multiplex given opportunity to appeal in LEC. Still on Multiplex Living website.

Multiplex Tower 2
22 Floors
As above.

Multiplex Tower 3
12 Floors
As above.

2-10 Speed St Tower 1
25 Floors
Architect said further design needed to be done to columns.

2-10 Speed St Tower 2
25 Floors
As above.

Collingwood Plaza
21 Floors
No start on construction yet. Site fenced off.


126-134 Terminus Street
17 Floors
Application with Council.

Elevation
12 Floors
Still selling. No site preparation yet.

Corner Lathlan & Bigge Streets
12 Floors
Some site preparation has commenced.

Cambell & Tindall Streets
10 Floors
Basement finished. Superstructure commencing.

[Italo-Australian]

Cuwalla is it possible to change this thread heading to OFFICIAL: Liverpool Update or something like that??? :)

Please?

:)

And then maybe have a QUICK LINK under Western Sydney????


:cheers:

[Italo-Australian]

Cuwalla is it possible to change this thread heading to OFFICIAL: Liverpool Update or something like that??? :)

Please?

:)

And then maybe have a QUICK LINK under Western Sydney????


:cheers:


I hate to quote myself, but Cuwalla if you have a chance for the above?

How about " #Projects/Proposed: Liverpool " ???

In other news: A 7 storey commercial building has been approved by council on Maquarie St ontop of the Lengends Hotel and Function Centre. So total hight will be 9 storeys. No renderings as of yet, but the bottom level will include an arcade that will connect Macquarie Street and Northumberland Serviceway> Hence extending the Railway and Strathis Arcades into one continuos arcade.

[Fabian]

Thanks for the updates. Nice to see some office being built among all this.

Was there any reason as to why the Multiplex development had been rejected by Liverpool Council ie excessive height, FSR exceeded?????. The LEC will probably give it the green light :D.

[Italo-Australian]

Thanks for the updates. Nice to see some office being built among all this.

Was there any reason as to why the Multiplex development had been rejected by Liverpool Council ie excessive height, FSR exceeded?????. The LEC will probably give it the green light :D.

Apart from all the political reasons, I think the other concerns were:

- Overdevelopment of the site (Maybe a little, one tower would suffice for the moment)
- Increase Traffic (I tend to disagree with this one, cos access was going to be from a serviceway which has traffic lights on to George St)
- Archealogical (pftt....this one has to be totally made up)
- Overshadowing (This also has no subsatnce, as the shortest building was to front Bigge Park)

Let's hope the LEC helps out Liverpool and The Minister for Planning, Beamer, keeps her snotty nose out of this one! ;)

[finn]

Thought I'd throw in a few more of the apartment developments currently selling in Liverpool! They aren't all towers, but they do have a different style to most of what I've seen being built in the Sydney metro area!

VIDA: 10-16 Castlereagh St

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/3092/101893092ml1096000637.jpg

31-33 Campbell St

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0526/101830526ml1093929387.jpg

4-6 Lachlan St

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8864/101658864ml1088051339.jpg

and approved next door where that little shop is...

8-10 Lachlan St

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8005/101538005mm1086592735.jpg

6-storey Apartments

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9684/101399684ml1086303197.jpg

5-storey Apartments

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/1899/101911899ml1096590537.jpg

[Trances]

Still more going on to add some density but i want the ones shown on the first pages

[Italo-Australian]

It has been almost 1 year since I gave an update on Liverpool. I guess the amount of proposals that council have rejected over the months has knocked the spirit out of me.

Well the only thing I can report is:
1. 31-33 Cambell St is almost complete. The finish is quite close to the render in the picture in the above thread by finn.

2. 12 storey resid. on the cnr of Lachlan and Bigge has almost topped out. From looking at the scaffolding it is not going to look the same as the rendering in emporis.

3. Other lowrise resid. are ongoing.

4. Proposed 7 storey office tower on Macquarie St above Lengends Hotel has whole floors for sale at Elders....I can post a rendering of this tomorrow.

I should have some photos of these over the weekend. :)

One positive thing is Liverpool is fast becoming a "Tale of Two Cities". The panorama is shaping up with high rises on either side of Westfields...On the northern side the residential towers are starting to make an indent on the skyline and the southern side has remained the same. It really is queer.. I should have a pano shot for you guys by the weekend as well.

[ParraMan]

I'd almost forgotten about this thread! Thanks for the updates and images guys. Great that Campbell St is topping out, will be a nice addition to the skyline. Really looking forward to "Vida" which looks great too.

I guess the southern side of Westfield is reserved mostly for commercial development, being the traditional core of the Liverpool CBD, thus it not changing so much, hopefully that will change soon. Nonetheless good that the northern side is getting bulked-up.

Cheers

[Muse]

Welcome back Italo-Australian, our Liverpool correspondent. We look forward to some more updates if you decide to stick around.

Things do tend to happen slowly, so I'm sure more projects that you and Finn have mentioned will come on-line at some stage. Don't let councils "knock the spirit out of you"...pffft, you'll never have any spirit (that would mean). Toughen-up soldier lol

[CULWULLA]

thanks italo. why so many rejections? look forward to pano.
has the 12storey got a name?
http://img91.echo.cx/img91/8946/liverpooltower9wh.jpg

[CULWULLA]

just looked on realestate.com and it says for 31 Campbell st. that its "Liverpools tallest residential building"?
its 10storeys?
has this one started?
link>
http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&s=nsw&c=95869840&tm=1118875913&id=102374198&f=0&p=10&t=res&ty=&snf=&ag=&cu=&fmt=&header=

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4198/102374198cl1114671029.jpg

[Italo-Australian]

Yeh, I guess 31-33 Campbell is the current tallest residential building in Liverpool, until the 12-storey one is complete - which looks like 2-3 months down the track. It doesnt have a name as such, but I could probably get a street number which would suffice for now. Judging from the scaffolding it looks like the builder is doing away with all the canterlevers on the facade, which is a real shame.

I cant explain the long list of rejections, I guess it comes down to having one person making all the decisions (the Administrator) since the elected council was ejected over the Oasis scandal. It really stung me when she quashed the Multiplex Towers, and even worse when she rejected the Eagle Towers, which is in the rundown southern end of the cbd.

Developers also are selling up because of the market down turn, so residential developments like Collingwood Plaza (20-storeys) and Elevation (12-storeys) are being sold off with DA approved.


Stay tuned for more updates and photos too. :)

[SinCity]

Thanks Italo! Great work in rounding up the Liverpool progress. :)

[Italo-Australian]

As promised here is a rendering of the Office tower (only 7 storeys) to be built where the Lengends hotel is today. I assume the hotel/pub will be situated on the 2nd level (black windows). The ground level will be a shopping arcade connecting Strathis Arcade with the Northumberland Street Carpark. The remainder will be office suites - whole office floors are starting at $1.29M.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid173/pf96e0e9512a8fbfd73bddd6c041e6cd6/f3ab8406.jpg

I like the facade, with the contrasting terracotta rendering and the pale-green windows. At 7 levels it wont exactly peirce the skyline , but at least it will be the 5th highest office tower in Liverpool!

[Italo-Australian]

I finally managed to get a render of the proposed Elevation (87-91 Campbell St) 12-storey high appartment building.

More information is available on their web site http://www.elevation-liverpool.com.au/ it also has a run down on the whole project.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid175/pad324c8fbc57c67e8d482b7c8bb93b76/f3749145.jpg

Probably the best facade of a residential tower in Liverpool. I like the way part of the facacde resembles the Dept. of Housing Building.

The only problem is when I last spoke to the developers (about 3 months ago), only 5 appartments had deposits taken.
Few weeks ago I'm sure I saw the property for sale with the approved DA.
One week ago the sign at the front of the property, that had the same render as above, was removed. So go figure....another one bites the dust :( or construction is about to begin :)

[SinCity]

Nice design. I hope it gets going ....

[Italo-Australian]

Here is the latest guys:

13-15 Bigge St: Part 14 part 8 storey residential flat building containing 97 units

247 Northumberland St: 8-storey with 3-basement levels sixteen office and six reatil (Finally!!!! Another Office tower) :cheers:

14 George St: 8-storey residential

41-43 Forbes St: 8-storey residential

16-18 Bathurst St: 8-storey residential

12-14 Bathurst St: 9-storey residential

10-16 Castlereagh St: 9-storey residential

Who buys these appartments anyway?!?!?!

[lennyr]

I can't wait to see what effect the M7 will have on Liverpool and Blacktown, hopefully a huge surge in economic activity. I'm sure it won't be to long before Liverpool starts growing some large office towers, probably as soon as Kibble is booted out. She seems unfit to me for her position.

Just a question, what difference would it have made if Orange Grove and Oasis had of been successful?

[Italo-Australian]

Well for starters the Liverpool-Fairfield area would not have an unemployment rate of 10.6% . Much higher for the 18-24 age bracket. All of Liverpool is hoping that Kibble follows in Bob Carr's steps and resign!

[lennyr]

Is that the same bracket that goes around stabbing people at shopping malls at night? I've seen gangs at Bankstown Square completely trash the food court in no time at all. And you see them driving everywhere, especially near every late night Maccas. That is one aspect of Sydney I will not miss when moving out.

[Italo-Australian]

Here are some more office buildings in Liverpool's Southern CBD:

The Interdell Centre (6 storeys)
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/ELD/ELD_184/300/ELD_184_37878_27574.jpg


12-14 Speed St (8 storeys from Speed St and 10 storeys from Bigge St...Hey Cull, how come this one is not considered highrise?)
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_30/300/CJ_30_43877_35584.jpg


There are two more Office towers of 8 storeys high, The Fairfax House and The Ingham Building. I'll get some pics soon. Still puzzled as to why they dont classify these as high-rise :dunno:

Did'nt realise how fat the Dept. of Housing Building was until I saw this shot.
http://www.airviewonline.com.au/photos/0309/1674/0309-1674-08.jpg

It almost dwarfs the other buildings :eek:

[lennyr]

I got a few pics around Liverpool from Westfield car park. Not the best day for it.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9206/liverpool0014mq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6295/liverpool0026jb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3583/liverpool0051nl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9623/liverpool0112uu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8406/liverpool0134pj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3171/liverpool0162dm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1893/liverpool0189zs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Plenty of cranes in the area. I think Liverpool would currently stand as the fifth biggest CBD outside of Sydney/North Sydney. The way I see it:
Sydney>North Sydney>Parramatta>Chatswood>Bondi Junction>Hursteville>Liverpool
though not as much high rise as Rockdale, Stathfield, Sutherland...

[Italo-Australian]

WOW lennyr!!! :eek: These are some great shots eventhough it looked a little overcast.

You are right there is a lot of activity around Liverpool CBD, but not enough office high-rise for my liking - Only two in the pipe line.

In terms of services I think Liverpool would rank about 3rd or 4th.

In terms of Office towers (including 6 storeys plus) you would find the list would be like this

1. Sydney CBD ...of course
2. North Sydney
3. Chatswood
4. Parramatta
5. Bondi Junction
6. Liverpool

What are the opinions out there? :cheers:

[sirhc8]

St Leonards would have to be up there.

[James Saito]

In terms of Office towers (including 6 storeys plus) you would find the list would be like this

1. Sydney CBD ...of course
2. North Sydney
3. Chatswood
4. Parramatta
5. Bondi Junction
6. Liverpool

What are the opinions out there? :cheers:

St.Leonards, NorthRyde, and MacquariePark should have more office towers than Liverpool. Rhodes and Mascot are probably close as well.

[sirhc8]

You're right, in terms of square meterage, North Ryde and Macquarie Park would be right up there; no scrapers though.

[lennyr]

A little of topic, but this is fun. We should have a rating the Sydney satellite CBD's page. Here are my choices for office high rise:

Sydney CBD
North Sydney
Chatswood
Parramatta
Bondi Junction
St. Leonards
Liverpool
Hurstville
Rhodes
Ryde
Bankstown
Strathfield
Penrith


I think that is everywhere with at least 1 office high-rise. Others have apartments, hotels, low rise office. I think the last four have 1 high rise office building each with Rhodes and North Ryde have largest office district.

Of these I think Parramatta, Liverpool, Hurstville and Ryde will grow the fastest in that order, relative to there current size.

[ParraMan]

Totally unexpected to see this topic coming up in this thread. Firstly though, thanks lennyr for the pics, was a great day for it, you can see the buildings!!

I like your list of the appearance of cbd's around Sydney, though I would swap St Leonards with Bondi Jctn (due to the appearance of the buildings in both places), and Hurstville and Liverpool.

If you want to talk about the size of the cbd's in terms of office space, it would be as follows:

1. Nth Sydney
2. Parramatta
3. North Ryde
4. Chatswood
5. St Leonards/Crows Nest
6. Norwest

And then in no particular order that I know of, Bondi Jctn, Hurstville, Mascot area, Bankstown and Penrith.

As you can see, there is a huge concentration of office space on the north shore, the southern and western cbd's can look good (eg Hurstville), but have a lot of potential when it comes to office space in terms of catering for future needs

[lennyr]

I found some interesting info on suburban office space.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9306/suboff3la.png (http://imageshack.us)

The surprising one for me was Pymble/Gordon. And go Burwood!! Time for some office high-rise I reckon. Burwood has offices set behind the main road, perfect to keep the small feel on the main strip.

[James Saito]

How come I don't see Parramatta in the list?

[ParraMan]

^^They're just the smaller suburban office markets. Great find lennyr! Very interesting reading. Not surprised by Burwod, but thought Hurstville was a little bigger. The vacancy rate for Ashfield is a little concerning, did someone just leave there?

[lennyr]

The full document didn't give an explanation, but you might be able to find some interesting info.

www.knightfrank.com

I also wanna know how much office space the Norwest business park has.

I would like to get figures for the total people living and working in an area. Liverpool would be up there with Sydney, North Sydney, Parramatta and Bondi Junction. So it should end up bigger than Bondi Junction, will probably be Sydney's 4th CBD eventually.

[finn]

I'm surprised Kogarah isn't in there - I think the St.George Bank HQ has 50,000m²+ of office space - plus there are a lot of medical-related office buildings around St.George Hospital.

And yes, also a bit surprised with Hurstville...since the report is from first quarter 2004, it probably does not include the new office building on MacMahon Street (~3,600m²) which would take it over 70,000m². Also doesn't include the 12,500m² office building currently under construction - "The Avenue". Also proposed 10,000m² development on Dora/Queen St carpark and new Masonic office HQ proposed. But really, most of Hurstville's high-rises are residential - tallest office tower is the 12-storey Viewpoint Tower, and the largest in square metres is the 13,500sqm ATO which is only 8 storeys.

[Italo-Australian]

thanks italo. why so many rejections? look forward to pano.
has the 12storey got a name?
http://img91.echo.cx/img91/8946/liverpooltower9wh.jpg

I made a booboo! The tower above is not under construction, it is still in council with an ammendment to increase to Part 14-storeys and part 8-storeys.

The building below is the one that is almost complete (10-storeys). I got confused because both are on the corner of Bigge and Lachlan Streets. Sorry for the Mix up :) Threfore the emporis website is incorrect.

33-39 Lachlan Street, Liverpool " MaryVille Apartments" www.mvapartments.com.au

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6374/3339lachlanstreet23hf.png

Also here is a first look at "Bathurst Towers" 12-18 Bathurst Street (9storeys)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8893/1218bathurststreet6wp.jpg

[CULWULLA]

thanks

[Italo-Australian]

Come to think of it Emporis is in desperate need of an update. I'll post picture links of the missing buildings/proposals.

Eagle Tower 1 - 31 Floors (Never Built) Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1773/f8dea9444rd.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f8dea9444rd.jpg)

Gazcorp Tower - 30 Floors (DA Submitted)
Cnr Scott & Maquarie Sts
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9223/416062bq2.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=416062bq2.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6813/gazcoroptowersg0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gazcoroptowersg0.jpg)

Eagle Tower 2 - 27 Floors (Never Built) Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts

Liverpool City 1 (Multiplex Living) - 26 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts

10-12 Speed Street Tower A - 25 Floors (Proposed)
10-12 Speed St
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3103/210speedstliverpool2ix5.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=210speedstliverpool2ix5.jpg)

10-12 Speed Street Tower B - 25 Floors (Proposed)
10-12 Speed St
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5633/210speedstliverpool3ij3.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=210speedstliverpool3ij3.jpg)

Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts, Tower 1 - 25 Floors (DA Submitted)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2691/cnrcastlereaghnorfolkstsjp5.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cnrcastlereaghnorfolkstsjp5.jpg)

Liverpool City 2 (Multiplex Living) - 22 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts

Collingwood Plaza - 21 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/6397/coolingwoodplaza8xc.th.png (http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coolingwoodplaza8xc.png)
21 Story Tower in watermark outline behind residential tower.

Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts, Tower 1 - 25 Floors (DA Submitted)

Terminus Street Tower - 17 Floors (Proposed) Missing from Emporis
126-134 Terminus St
(No image available)
Old Tokyo Imports Site. Site has vacated in last few weeks. Constuction imenent :)

13-15 Bigge St - 14 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Lachlan & Bigge Sts
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8302/liverpooltower9wh1tr.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpooltower9wh1tr.jpg)
Image to be updated if Council approves ammendment of 14-storeys

Department of Housing Building - 12 Floors (Built 1979)
19 Moore St
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7370/liverpool0112uu5vg.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpool0112uu5vg.jpg)
Photo Courtesy of lennyr

Elevation - 12 Floors (Proposed) Image missing from Emporis
87-91 Campbell St
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3362/frontpagexm7.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontpagexm7.jpg)

Liverpool City 3 (Multiplex Living) - 12 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts

Old Westpac Site - 12 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Scott, Memorial and Macquarie - Next door to Gazcorp Tower

Westpoint Tower 1 - 10 Floors (Built 2005)
31-33 Campbell St
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/259/westpointt13qg.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westpointt13qg.jpg)

MaryVille Appartments Tower 1 - 10 Floors (Built 2006)
33-39 Lachlan St
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1835/3339lachlanstreet9ok.th.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3339lachlanstreet9ok.png)

Bathurst Towers - 9 Floors (Built 2006)
12-18 Bathurst St
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8846/1218bathurststreetss5.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1218bathurststreetss5.jpg)

And way too many 8 and 9 storey buildings to list.

[CULWULLA]

great ill try to amend. emporis has been crap lately. anything under 10storeys dont worry about. we will stick to 10st+ for now.
cheers

[CULWULLA]

does anyone know if any of these new ones are uc? seems like alot of proposals but no action? much like status of Blacktown projects.

new 9storey
le cedria

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0880/103140880mm1145676990.jpg

[Italo-Australian]

^^ That one has been complete for a while. Not sure if it is 9 or 8 storeys. There is a plethora of 7, 8, and 9 storey projects in Liverpool.

As for the tallies (10+ storeys), they are on hold at the moment, and some of them the Developers have not put in the full DAs yet. They are probably waiting for Gabrielle Kibble to piss off :runaway: so that a Council can be elected.

I'll keep adding projects as they come up on the post above. I'll stick to 10 storeys plus.

[SinCity]

Some very nice tall ones for Liverpool. The situation I noticed is similar to Blacktown. Some huge proposals but only buildings consisting from few to several levels are currently U/C.

[Gargarensis]

Terminus Street Tower - 17 Floors (Proposed) Missing from Emporis
126-134 Terminus St
(No image available)
Old Tokyo Imports Site. Site has vacated in last few weeks. Constuction imenent :)


This 17-storey building would be right on top of the hume highway at that big intersection coming into liverpool from the south, it would definitely look great

[lennyr]

Italo, sorry I've been away from the board for awhile. Where did you get all these proposals from?

These business centres throughout Sydney will be fantastic if all these ideas go ahead.

[Italo-Australian]

This 17-storey building would be right on top of the hume highway at that big intersection coming into liverpool from the south, it would definitely look great

This one is getting close to start up. Last time I posted the car dealership was empty. Now the buildings have been demolished and cleared.

Existing buildings at elevation on the corner of Castlereagh and Cambell have also been demolished and cleared. Let's hope it keeps the facade it has in the render.

[Italo-Australian]

Italo, sorry I've been away from the board for awhile. Where did you get all these proposals from?

These business centres throughout Sydney will be fantastic if all these ideas go ahead.


Me too!

I've been monitoring the Liverpool scene for years. I live in the area, so I get to see all the proposals advertised in the local papers, as well as the staunch critisism of the public.

Most of the "proposed" buildings are on hold until a council is elected. Our Administrator is not so keen on high rise and at the moment she has all the power.:bash:

[MILIUX]

Thanks Italo-Australians. It's great to have a correspondant at that end of town.

Liverpool is sure is shaping up pretty well.

[lennyr]

Me too!

I've been monitoring the Liverpool scene for years. I live in the area, so I get to see all the proposals advertised in the local papers, as well as the staunch critisism of the public.

Most of the "proposed" buildings are on hold until a council is elected. Our Administrator is not so keen on high rise and at the moment she has all the power.:bash:


Public criticism for high rise is really becoming boring. They have a chance to turn Liverpool into a MAJOR business centre and they object just from a dislike of big buildings. I can't see any other way high rise would affect people living arounf Liverpool, not like theres a harbour to see. They're objecting to 6 storey buildings in Dapto now, once again I can't think of any way it impacts on these people lives.

Anyway, also nice to here Liverpool Hospital had more births than anywhere in the state.

(I was born there)

[el-capitano]

. Kibble ... still has the nerve to approve Mosca Pserras 8-storey towers that remind me of concrete tissue boxes with balconies.

I couldn't believe this rubbish that has been spouted- Mosca Pserras Architects have been designing some of the best buildings in Liverpool in recent history.

In fact the Design Review Panel at Liverpool Council has made comment that their designs are on par or better than the award winning designs in the city.

Sure Sepp 65 has encouraged better design, but I would say that this has only helped in making the builders accept the architects wishes for a better built environment.

I noticed a lot of the building which you say are nice now- ie Elevation are designed by Mosca Pserras. I would also ask you to check out the designs at 25-27 Goulburn Street & 7-9 Browne Pde which M.P. designed for the Dept of Housing. Fantastic designs and ones I would've bought into if they were available for the public.

Maybe its time you wrote a letter into the Leader commending MP for their great designs and for their accelerating future progress for Liverpool.....

[Italo-Australian]

I couldn't believe this rubbish that has been spouted- Mosca Pserras Architects have been designing some of the best buildings in Liverpool in recent history.

In fact the Design Review Panel at Liverpool Council has made comment that their designs are on par or better than the award winning designs in the city.

Sure Sepp 65 has encouraged better design, but I would say that this has only helped in making the builders accept the architects wishes for a better built environment.

I noticed a lot of the building which you say are nice now- ie Elevation are designed by Mosca Pserras. I would also ask you to check out the designs at 25-27 Goulburn Street & 7-9 Browne Pde which M.P. designed for the Dept of Housing. Fantastic designs and ones I would've bought into if they were available for the public.

Maybe its time you wrote a letter into the Leader commending MP for their great designs and for their accelerating future progress for Liverpool.....

:weirdo:

Are you joking? MP are only interested in how many units they can fit in and how small they can make the basement car park.

Besides Elevation was designed by someone else. MP only put the DA in to council.

If I posted pictures of what MP have designed/built in Liverpool the forum would be disgusted. The appartments on Caslereagh Street are an eyesore.

You know what the other funny thing is, MP are a member of the Independent Review Panel. Talk about a CONFLICT OF INTEREST!

You must work for them or something?

I think you should venture outside Liverpool a bit more.

[Italo-Australian]

New proposal for Cnr Castlereagh and Norfolk sts.

This http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/467/gabcxn6.th.jpgreplaces this http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1773/f8dea9444rd.th.jpg


See details below:

[Italo-Australian]

Articles from Liverpool Leader August 16, 2006.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7316/ll160806page1ju6.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/585/ll160806page2dt1.jpg

[lennyr]

Great news. Lets see if Kibble is true to her word. A good project should be treated in a "lets make it happen" attitude instead of a "it had problems and we rejected it" attitude. This looks like a good project.

[CULWULLA]

great news. >
http://www.liverpoolleader.com.au/article/2006/08/16/908_news.html

liverpool needs to move forward.
its also a major metro city which Sartor has earmarked for a future city.
6 metro cities of sydney
LIVERPOOL
PENRITH
PARRAMATTA
GOSFORD
WGONG
NEWCASTLE
lets hope one of these starts soon.

[MILIUX]

Wow. Liverpool is changing quick. Oneday i should take a walk there.

[Italo-Australian]

I know this 6 story office building is nothing to write home about, but am I excited about it...as it is the first major office building to be built in Liverpool in the past two decades. I know there are many more taller residential buildingsw being built and in planning but the quality of this building stands alone. It is loctaed at 5 Secant St (opposite Westfiled) and is scheduled to be completed by March 07. All floors are complete and fit out is commencing.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4791/6920067x2971412hs3.jpg


The raves are along the lines of

" Liverpool’s first future proof high tech commercial building. With extensive use of ‘cool glazing’ technology specifically designed to enhance today’s space efficient open plan office layouts.
Energy efficient inclusions including individual air-conditioning zones, heat reflective glazing, perimeter zoned lighting, whisper quiet lifts and exterior lighting that thinks for itself.
All this and more ensuring the lowest possible running costs available today.
A building that not only looks the part for your future image, it will help you make your future."

I just dont know why they stoped at 6 levels?!?!?!?

[CULWULLA]

^ thanks. yes would be nice taller. i edited your pic.hope dont mind. was too big.lol
more new ones

9storey
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8564/103408564ml1156229334.jpg

6storey
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2271/103142271ml1145601051.jpg

[el-capitano]

Besides Elevation was designed by someone else. MP only put the DA in to council.

Are you serious? Mosca Pserras Architects designed Elevation, did the DA dwgs, and are currently working on the Construction Dwgs with the new owners.

:bash:

[el-capitano]

If I posted pictures of what MP have designed/built in Liverpool the forum would be disgusted. The appartments on Caslereagh Street are an eyesore.


Now there's one that MPA only did the DA and an engineering firm did the CC- MPA are disgusted with how they turned out. Ps- I will bring up some of your old posts to let you know what was designed by Mosca Pserras Architects, so everyone can know what they have designed.

You know what the other funny thing is, MP are a member of the Independent Review Panel. Talk about a CONFLICT OF INTEREST!.

Actually, any time they are discussing jobs designed by MPA then they must be excused from that portion of the meeting and are not allowed to make comments.

You must work for them or something?

No- but I know staff from there, and I will stick up for them. :)

[el-capitano]

I know this 6 story office building is nothing to write home about, but am I excited about it...as it is the first major office building to be built in Liverpool in the past two decades. I know there are many more taller residential buildingsw being built and in planning but the quality of this building stands alone. It is loctaed at 5 Secant St (opposite Westfiled) and is scheduled to be completed by March 07. All floors are complete and fit out is commencing.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4791/6920067x2971412hs3.jpg


The raves are along the lines of

" Liverpool’s first future proof high tech commercial building. With extensive use of ‘cool glazing’ technology specifically designed to enhance today’s space efficient open plan office layouts.
Energy efficient inclusions including individual air-conditioning zones, heat reflective glazing, perimeter zoned lighting, whisper quiet lifts and exterior lighting that thinks for itself.
All this and more ensuring the lowest possible running costs available today.
A building that not only looks the part for your future image, it will help you make your future."

I just dont know why they stoped at 6 levels?!?!?!?

This office building - proudly designed by Mosca Pserras Architects- from initial sketch design, through to DA, and now CC.

Construction has now commenced.

They stopped at six levels, as that is all that is permittable by council.

(apparently another tissue box)

[el-capitano]

Gazcorp Tower - 30 Floors (DA Submitted)
Cnr Scott & Maquarie Sts
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9223/416062bq2.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=416062bq2.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6813/gazcoroptowersg0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gazcoroptowersg0.jpg)

13-15 Bigge St - 14 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Lachlan & Bigge Sts
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8302/liverpooltower9wh1tr.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpooltower9wh1tr.jpg)
Image to be updated if Council approves ammendment of 14-storeys


Elevation - 12 Floors (Proposed) Image missing from Emporis
87-91 Campbell St
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3362/frontpagexm7.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontpagexm7.jpg)

Westpoint Tower 1 - 10 Floors (Built 2005)
31-33 Campbell St
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/259/westpointt13qg.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westpointt13qg.jpg)

Bathurst Towers - 9 Floors (Built 2006)
12-18 Bathurst St
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8846/1218bathurststreetss5.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1218bathurststreetss5.jpg)

And way too many 8 and 9 storey buildings to list.

All designed by Mosca Pserras Architects.

(and all tissue boxes, according to our esteemed original poster!!)

[el-capitano]

I finally managed to get a render of the proposed Elevation (87-91 Campbell St) 12-storey high appartment building.

More information is available on their web site http://www.elevation-liverpool.com.au/ it also has a run down on the whole project.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid175/pad324c8fbc57c67e8d482b7c8bb93b76/f3749145.jpg

Probably the best facade of a residential tower in Liverpool. I like the way part of the facacde resembles the Dept. of Housing Building.

The only problem is when I last spoke to the developers (about 3 months ago), only 5 appartments had deposits taken.
Few weeks ago I'm sure I saw the property for sale with the approved DA.
One week ago the sign at the front of the property, that had the same render as above, was removed. So go figure....another one bites the dust :( or construction is about to begin :)

The original developer has bought in new financial partners to get the project out of the ground. I can attach a sales brochure if you like to confirm the design by Mosca Pserras if you are still doubting???

[el-capitano]

Some more 8 storey apartments on the cards for Liverpool.

Campbell and Castlereagh: 8 Floors

http://propertylook.com.au/listings/CBRE/CBRE_55/300/CBRE_55_29142_17299.jpg



Another Mosca Pserras design :)

[el-capitano]

Thought I'd throw in a few more of the apartment developments currently selling in Liverpool! They aren't all towers, but they do have a different style to most of what I've seen being built in the Sydney metro area!

VIDA: 10-16 Castlereagh St

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/3092/101893092ml1096000637.jpg

6-storey Apartments

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9684/101399684ml1086303197.jpg

5-storey Apartments

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/1899/101911899ml1096590537.jpg

All Mosca Pserras Designs as well- good work boys!! :okay:

[Italo-Australian]

El Capitano you have no shame, so maybe you can answer some of the questions below:

Why have MPA never won an award or even gained a mention from the Royal Australian Institute of Architects? Because their work is not up to the standards of award winning architecture nor do they have the design skills or experience to produce it!



Why is the vast majority of their work (inparticular highrise) concentrated in Liverpool and they very rarely receive commissions from the inner city or eastern suburbs (areas which architectural designs of high merit are found). People only use them because there is an enigma that surrounds MPA that apparently "Frank can get it through". I'm not sure Frank could "get it through" if he was up against a firm like Popov & Associates, Stanisic & Associates or FMJT in a competition for design excellence which the City of Sydney runs. MPA wouldn't even be asked to enter.



They make claims that the Secant commercial building is "Liverpools first future proof high tech commercial building" because they are using "Energy efficient inclusions including individual air-conditioning zones, heat reflective glazing, perimeter zoned lighting, whisper quiet lifts and exterior lighting that thinks for itself". This is complete bullshit! Tell me which air-conditioning system is energy efficient? A sealed air conditioned building goes against all the principles of environmentally sustainable design. There are all these large areas of glazing which face west and are completely unprotected apart from some useless fixed horizontal shading devices above the windows on each floor. Any well educated and competent architect will know that you need to use vertical sun shading on a western or eastern facade to cut out the low sun angle. Frank Mosca is a very good businessman, but an incompetent architect. His staff are also incompetent. The sooner MPA are deregistered as architects, the sooner they will be stopped from producing these slums and trapping a generation of Liverpool citizens to a life of poor amentity and the resulting misery!

[powlie]

Liverpool Draft Vision 2006 RELEASED!

Sartor is planning for 15,000 new jobs and 12,000 new people in the next 25 years!

They seem to have high hopes for the CBD (excuse the pun). Pictures from the site:

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/system/files/f1/f2/o3/liverpool_aerial_lrg.jpg

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/system/files/f1/f2/o5/living_city_lrg.jpg

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/system/files/f1/f2/o10/reconnect_georges_river_lrg.jpg

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/system/files/f1/f2/o9/public_domain_lrg.jpg

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/system/files/f1/f2/o8/pedestrian_networks_lrg.jpg

Website can be found here at http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/

[Italo-Australian]

This image below is my favourite

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/images/slideshow/4.jpg

The plan is all good in principal, but they need to create an incentive for private companies to want to move to Liverpool. Yes geographically it is situated at a transport hub, and the grid road system also works to its advantage, but this plan will not happen without some kind of incentive.

I also read somewhere in the NSW Planning site that Liverpool is earmarked as 'Sydney's second CBD'. I cant find it now, but would'nt Parra or Chatswood already have this title?

[KJBrissy]

They wouldn't have as many issues with height restrictions as any of the other areas as it is the furthest from KSIA and is not in line with the runways either.

[el-capitano]

El Capitano you have no shame, so maybe you can answer some of the questions below:

Why have MPA never won an award or even gained a mention from the Royal Australian Institute of Architects? Because their work is not up to the standards of award winning architecture nor do they have the design skills or experience to produce it!

Members of the Design Review Panel who work for award winning architects such as Allen Jack & Cottier etc have mentioned to Mr Mosca that some of his projects should be nominated for awards.

However, Mosca Pserras Architects, have never been attention seekers and do not need their peers approval to know that they can design exceptional architecture.

Engineers from city firms such as Connell Wagner, who have worked with these award winning architectural firms have also expressed their opinion that MPA's work is up to the same standard as these. I would respect these people's opinions more than yours! :)

They have had local design awards, however these were always nominated by the proud client rather than by the firm.


Why is the vast majority of their work (inparticular highrise) concentrated in Liverpool and they very rarely receive commissions from the inner city or eastern suburbs (areas which architectural designs of high merit are found).

Why does the area it is built in determine whether there are buildings of high architectural merit? There are buildings of high architectural merit in all areas of Sydney, and MPA has contributed quite a bit to the architectural merit of Liverpool.

As a local firm, trying to improve Liverpool and South West Sydney, why would they want to do work in areas whic are already of such high merit? Work in the areas that need work- that's what these award winning architects should be doing.


They make claims that the Secant commercial building is "Liverpools first future proof high tech commercial building" because they are using "Energy efficient inclusions including individual air-conditioning zones, heat reflective glazing, perimeter zoned lighting, whisper quiet lifts and exterior lighting that thinks for itself". This is complete bullshit! Tell me which air-conditioning system is energy efficient? A sealed air conditioned building goes against all the principles of environmentally sustainable design. There are all these large areas of glazing which face west and are completely unprotected apart from some useless fixed horizontal shading devices above the windows on each floor. Any well educated and competent architect will know that you need to use vertical sun shading on a western or eastern facade to cut out the low sun angle. Frank Mosca is a very good businessman, but an incompetent architect. His staff are also incompetent. The sooner MPA are deregistered as architects, the sooner they will be stopped from producing these slums and trapping a generation of Liverpool citizens to a life of poor amentity and the resulting misery!

Ignoring whatever chip you have on your shoulder regarding MPA, I will answer your actual architectural questions, not your drunken ranting!! :nuts:

If you actually knew anything about the Secant Street project, you would know that the western elevation actually doen't have much glazing at all.

But yes it is unprotected from the sun. Why? Because there is another 6 storey office building to the west of this site which totally overshadows the western facade.

(Its like trying to explain something to a five year old!!! :) )

With regard to your comments on horizontal shading devices- you are correct. On western facades you should use vertical shading devices in order to shade the building from the low angled sun. Well done!

However, you have to also balance the composition of the facade so that it doesn't just look like a jail from the west, and hence you may have to compromise some portions of the bldg to not have maximum sun protection.
Any well educated and competent architect will know that as well though. :)

[CULWULLA]

excellent.only newcastle to go now with sartors masterplan for the 6 metro cities.

[Avatar]

This image below is my favourite

http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/liverpool/images/slideshow/4.jpg

The plan is all good in principal, but they need to create an incentive for private companies to want to move to Liverpool. Yes geographically it is situated at a transport hub, and the grid road system also works to its advantage, but this plan will not happen without some kind of incentive.

I also read somewhere in the NSW Planning site that Liverpool is earmarked as 'Sydney's second CBD'. I cant find it now, but would'nt Parra or Chatswood already have this title?

LOL this last pic looks like a scaled down version of shenzhen. Some of the buildings it shows are rather tall too ... well for a satellite CBD anyway.

I am not much liking any of the renderings we are seeing though. There are very noncommital and show a really abstract view of how things could be. I'd like to see a more photographic, less stylised composition to all of them. These really don't give the best impression of what we can expect.

[el-capitano]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid175/pad324c8fbc57c67e8d482b7c8bb93b76/f3749145.jpg

Probably the best facade of a residential tower in Liverpool.

What annoys you more- the fact that you said how good a design by Mosca Pserras was, or the fact that you didn't know it was a Mosca Pserras design?? :)

[Italo-Australian]

What annoys you more- the fact that you said how good a design by Mosca Pserras was, or the fact that you didn't know it was a Mosca Pserras design?? :)

Why dont you post the brochure and prove it. Last time I checked they use an architect form another firm to do the detailing and floor plans. Now doesnt the floor plan dictate the shape of the facade?

[Italo-Australian]

What annoys you more- the fact that you said how good a design by Mosca Pserras was, or the fact that you didn't know it was a Mosca Pserras design?? :)

Your last two posts just prove that you either work for MPA or are a stakeholder in the company. Somehow you are missing the point.

Here are some examples of what MPA are subjecting Liverpool to.

Warning! Images may offend some viewers!

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4782/103464782mm1162512002.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9561/103309561mm1152510134.jpg

and my favourite...

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/7198/102977198mm1139445940.jpg

Save these designs for Auburn, not Liverpool.

Since you know so much about MPA and their work can you ask the Real-Estate Agents trying very hard to sell MPA designed apartments why they are still using the renderings of MaryVille and Westpoint to sell them, even though they were completed almost 12 months ago? Is it because the reality is that the rendered artist impression looks 100 times better than the real thing? I suggest Gazcorp go employ a real architect if they want to get their 30-storey tower approved.

Seriously, wake up to yourself, you are only drawing more attention to the bad designs MPA continue to produce. I would cut your losses and stop trying to promote MPA as worthy award winning architects. Most people wouldn’t let MPA design their carport.

[el-capitano]

Your last two posts just prove that you either work for MPA or are a stakeholder in the company. Somehow you are missing the point.

Here are some examples of what MPA are subjecting Liverpool to.

Warning! Images may offend some viewers!

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4782/103464782mm1162512002.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9561/103309561mm1152510134.jpg

and my favourite...

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/7198/102977198mm1139445940.jpg

Save these designs for Auburn, not Liverpool.

Since you know so much about MPA and their work can you ask the Real-Estate Agents trying very hard to sell MPA designed apartments why they are still using the renderings of MaryVille and Westpoint to sell them, even though they were completed almost 12 months ago? Is it because the reality is that the rendered artist impression looks 100 times better than the real thing? I suggest Gazcorp go employ a real architect if they want to get their 30-storey tower approved.

Seriously, wake up to yourself, you are only drawing more attention to the bad designs MPA continue to produce. I would cut your losses and stop trying to promote MPA as worthy award winning architects. Most people wouldn’t let MPA design their carport.

I don't know why you bother. The first and third images are from a DA designed by Mosca Pserras, then CC'ed by an engineering firm, who basically butchered everything, including changing the DA approved colours, changed all balustrade treatments, added the strange looking pergolas at the top, and basically screwed everything. It may seem easy to push the blame, but they are disgraceful buildings. I agree totally.

The second picture you show isn't even a Mosca Pserras buliding. It was designed by AZA- another engineering firm, once again proving why architecture should be left for architects! :ohno:

[el-capitano]

Here's some more Mosca Pserras designs which were completed by the firm.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/1DSCN0973.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/photomontague.jpg

[CULWULLA]

^hey whats that last project?

[el-capitano]

^hey whats that last project?

Residential flat building, on the north-eastern corner of George St and Lachlan Sts, Liverpool.

Stage 1 is northern tower- 7 levels, and stage 2 will be 13 level southern tower. 74 units in total.

Developer is Garard Constructions.

[el-capitano]

Residential flat building, on the north-eastern corner of George St and Lachlan Sts, Liverpool.

Stage 1 is northern tower- 7 levels, and stage 2 will be 13 level southern tower. 74 units in total.

Developer is Garard Constructions.

Garard Constructions and Mosca Pserras Architects are also developing a design on the opposite corner. Attached are very preliminary artists impressions. The colour's are all wrong, as are the materials. Once this is complete I will forward it on.

Construction has commenced.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/g10200.jpg

[CULWULLA]

^thanks it looks high enough to be 35m? please let me know so i can add to emporis!
auscritic- better off posting smaller pix, they come up better visually.
not a bad project, what is it?

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6312/cimg6359fr1rt8.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/240/cimg6361ke5zp9.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8616/cimg6364nb1ra5.jpg

[auscritic]

This is what Mosca Pserras put up across the road!http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4057/cimg6368em2.jpg

[auscritic]

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7468/cimg6369bo9.jpg

[auscritic]

And down the roadhttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4129/cimg6355ee9.jpg

[auscritic]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9688/cimg6356os4.jpg

[auscritic]

And on the highway!http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4/cimg6352ty1.jpg

[auscritic]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6269/cimg6353or8.jpg

[auscritic]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6996/cimg6354gy8.jpg

[auscritic]

Another Mosca Pserras project in nearby Padstow. What do people think?http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7866/cimg6034tn3.jpg

[CULWULLA]

theres some nice projects happening on lpool. that one with blue column and hat looks excellent. regarding the 3storey walk ups, cant do much about them. its all got to do with council zoning and regulations/planning ect. they have to go up somewhere due to housing shortage.
easy on the number of photos of same bldg.. one is enough.
cheers

[auscritic]

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2456/1006244mo3.jpg

Another Mosca Pserras building - on Campbell Stree near the intersection with Bigge Street

[auscritic]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1598/1006245yr3.jpg

[auscritic]

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2456/1006244mo3.jpg

Oops. Sorry about the first one.

[auscritic]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6161/1006247tr5.jpg

[auscritic]

theres some nice projects happening on lpool. that one with blue column and hat looks excellent. regarding the 3storey walk ups, cant do much about them. its all got to do with council zoning and regulations/planning ect. they have to go up somewhere due to housing shortage.
easy on the number of photos of same bldg.. one is enough.
cheers

Please Culwalla! The quality of the buildings in Liverpool is getting worse by the day. Firms like Mosca Pserras keep making the facades busier and busier inorder to trick Council into approving them.

Just because they are 3 storey walk ups doesn't mean they can't be designed well. Look at some of the low rise work around Zetland, it's beautiful.

Just because the people living there are on low incomes, it doesn't mean we have to give them slums to live.

Abit of compassion and humanity - PLEASE!

[el-capitano]

auscritic- you have to take the worst photos of a building i have seen in my life- anybody would think you are trying to make them look bad. With all the shots of the sides, rear and generally unseen facades of buildings, I don't know what point you are trying to make?

[auscritic]

auscritic- you have to take the worst photos of a building i have seen in my life- anybody would think you are trying to make them look bad. With all the shots of the sides, rear and generally unseen facades of buildings, I don't know what point you are trying to make?


don't worry - the fronts look even worse!

[James Saito]

Just because they are 3 storey walk ups doesn't mean they can't be designed well. Look at some of the low rise work around Zetland, it's beautiful.

But Zetland one costs double. Not everyone can afford that much. Any cities need cheap apartments and it's inevitable.

[el-capitano]

But Zetland one costs double. Not everyone can afford that much. Any cities need cheap apartments and it's inevitable.

Well said- and i agree.

The cost of buliding a unit is basically the same whether it is in Zetland or Liverpool, but in Liverpool you are only going to get $250-350,000 for it.

Of course the developers are going to try and decrease their costs to the detriment of the building to try and make a profit. That's not a good solution but it is reality.

Of course the architects should not be blamed for these cost cutting exercises, but according to some critics, they are. What can you do.

That being said, I do believe that although not the best you can get, that the new housing developments in Liverpool are a definate improvement on the current housing stock, and are far from "slums" as some negative people may say.

[Italo-Australian]

Well said- and i agree.

The cost of buliding a unit is basically the same whether it is in Zetland or Liverpool, but in Liverpool you are only going to get $250-350,000 for it.

Of course the developers are going to try and decrease their costs to the detriment of the building to try and make a profit. That's not a good solution but it is reality.

Of course the architects should not be blamed for these cost cutting exercises, but according to some critics, they are. What can you do.

That being said, I do believe that although not the best you can get, that the new housing developments in Liverpool are a definate improvement on the current housing stock, and are far from "slums" as some negative people may say.

If you are an award winning architect and you care about the reputation of your firm, in your contract with the developer you would insert a clause that any major change to the building during construction will need to be signed off by the original architect.

I have been away from this forum only for about a month and I see you have made a new friend. Like I have said before , el-capitano, you are only bringing more attention to the fact that MPA are below average designers.

On a more important note, Liverpool's tallest is on the market!

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1088/2331moorestreetara4.png

Damn shame if you ask me. They'll probably try and turn it into appartments.:ohno: Yet all floors are under lease.

2-6 Speed Street is also up for sale it is about 25% leased.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5849/26speedstws6.png


They are pitching it as potential highrise appartments. This is what Flora Developments had proposed.
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3103/210speedstliverpool2ix5.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=210speedstliverpool2ix5.jpg)

[Italo-Australian]

This development on the corner of Mill, Macquarie and the hume Hwy was supposed to be a 17 storey commercial development. The site is prominent and was the old Tokyo Imports Car Yard.

Looks like they have now cut down to a 12 story residentail and ground floor commercial and flogging it of as a DA approved site.

This is the same area that Arcitectus said that a landmark development should be built a t this site because of the area and the prominance it has as the gateway to Liverpool from the site.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3978/cnrmaquarieandmilljg0.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cnrmaquarieandmilljg0.jpg)

RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SITE ON SALE! ALL OFFERS WILL BE CONSIDERED!
DA & BA approved development site for 154 units & 2 large shops Top location, walk to westfield,school & railway station

[CULWULLA]

^what a shame.

[James Saito]

They are pitching it as potential highrise appartments. This is what Flora Developments had proposed.
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3103/210speedstliverpool2ix5.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=210speedstliverpool2ix5.jpg)


I love this one!!!

[Muse]

This Baker Kavanagh designed block for Lumeah was in Saturday's SMH.

Another Mosaic (http://www.parkviewgroup.com.au/mosaic/index.asp)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Mosaic_LumeahA.jpg

"Resort style"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Mosaic_Apt_Lumeah_B.jpg

[Italo-Australian]

^ Muse that is in Lumeah, which is miles away from Liverpool. It is closer to Cambeltown.

Anyway, here is the latest on the Liverpool scene:

1. Gazcorp Tower 30 storey residential and retail podium CANNED
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6813/gazcoroptowersg0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gazcoroptowersg0.jpg)
Apparently the Architects and the Developer said there was just too much red tape. Maybe elcapitano can elaborate for us.
A lot of the bussiness owners in the southern CBD were calling this project their saviour, now they are looking at selling up. It's a poor state of affairs in that end of town.

2. DA submitted to council: for one of the two towers on the Manhattan Bowling Site. For once it is the taller of the two. 10 Norfolk St, 5 level basement carpark, 2 levels of retail and 24 levels of residential (211x 2 bedrooms, 93x 1 bedroom and 8 x 3 bedroom) total 26 storeys.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2691/cnrcastlereaghnorfolkstsjp5.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cnrcastlereaghnorfolkstsjp5.jpg)
Finally a success story to talk about.

3. On exhibition: 2 x 10 story towers at 24 Lachlan St (2 levels of basement carpark, 104 units)

4. On exibition: 8 storey hospital building part of the $500M redevelopment. See article below.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7943/liverpoolhospitalexpansgb9.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpoolhospitalexpansgb9.jpg)

I'll try and get some snaps of some recently completed projects around liverpool and an updated panorama. This shot was taken in August 2005. A lot has changed since then.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6617/liverpoolpanoramatn4.jpg

[CULWULLA]

thanks italo.thats a damn shame about the Gazcorp project. red tape shits me.
thats great about manhat bowl site. lets hope it gets up and starts this year or next.
great pano.gee the housing commisiom still dominates the city. I used to go to school across the road from 1st-6th class. livo primary. this bldg was starting up when i left for highschool.

[BearCave]

:bash: 1. Gazcorp Tower 30 storey residential and retail podium CANNED
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6813/gazcoroptowersg0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gazcoroptowersg0.jpg)


F U C K !!! :bash:

[Muse]

^ Muse that is in Lumeah, which is miles away from Liverpool. It is closer to Cambeltown.It was a toss up for either Liverpool & Cambeltown Italo-Australian, but I chose this thread anyways :)

[Italo-Australian]

1. Eagle Tower 1 - 31 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1773/f8dea9444rd.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f8dea9444rd.jpg)

2. Gazcorp Tower - 30 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr Scott & Maquarie Sts
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9223/416062bq2.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=416062bq2.jpg)http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6813/gazcoroptowersg0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gazcoroptowersg0.jpg)

3. Eagle Tower 2 - 27 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts

4. Liverpool City 1 (Multiplex Living) - 26 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4890/f8dea940tf6.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f8dea940tf6.jpg)

5. 10-12 Speed Street Tower A - 25 Floors (Never Built)
10-12 Speed St
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3103/210speedstliverpool2ix5.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=210speedstliverpool2ix5.jpg)

6. 10-12 Speed Street Tower B - 25 Floors (Never Built)
10-12 Speed St
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5633/210speedstliverpool3ij3.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=210speedstliverpool3ij3.jpg)

7. Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts, Tower 1 - 25 Floors (DA Approved)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2691/cnrcastlereaghnorfolkstsjp5.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cnrcastlereaghnorfolkstsjp5.jpg)

8. Liverpool City 2 (Multiplex Living) - 22 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts

9. Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts, Tower 2 - 18 Floors (DA Approved)

10. Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts - 18 Floors (DA Submitted)
Residential with Place of Worship at Ground Level - Opposite cnr to tower above.

11. Collingwood Plaza - 14 Floors (Under Construction..underpinning is taking so long!)
Cnr Hoxton Park Rd and Hume Hwy
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/6397/coolingwoodplaza8xc.th.png (http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coolingwoodplaza8xc.png)
14 storey residential tower and commercial/retail (plans for a supermarket) building next to the Collingwood Hotel on the corner of the Hume Hwy and Hoxton Park Road. Was originally suposed to be a 21 storey tower with Coles Supermarket in the podium.

12. 13-15 Bigge St - 14 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Lachlan & Bigge Sts
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8302/liverpooltower9wh1tr.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpooltower9wh1tr.jpg)
Image to be updated if Council approves ammendment of 14-storeys

13. Cnr George & Lachlan - 13 Floors (Proposed)
North East Cnr George & Lachlan
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8163/necnrgeorgeandlaclanda6.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=necnrgeorgeandlaclanda6.jpg)

14. Department of Housing Building - 12 Floors (Built 1979)
19 Moore St
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7370/liverpool0112uu5vg.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpool0112uu5vg.jpg)
Photo Courtesy of lennyr

15. Elevation - 12 Floors (Proposed)
87-91 Campbell St
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3362/frontpagexm7.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontpagexm7.jpg)

16. Liverpool City 3 (Multiplex Living) - 12 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr Bigge, Elisabeth & George Sts

17. Old Westpac Site - 12 Floors (Proposed)
Cnr Scott, Memorial and Macquarie - Next door to Gazcorp Tower

18. Terminus Street Tower - 12 Floors (Proposed)
126-134 Terminus St
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3978/cnrmaquarieandmilljg0.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cnrmaquarieandmilljg0.jpg)
Old Tokyo Imports Site. Site has vacated in last few weeks. Constuction imenent :)

19. 11 - 19 Scott Street - 10 Floors (DA Approved)
Ten-storey mixed use.

20. 53 Campbell Street - 10 Floors (DA Ammended)
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1048/53campbellstreetopwestfnh3.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=53campbellstreetopwestfnh3.jpg)
Cnr Macquarie and Campbell- Opposite back entrance to Westfields
Commercial building, retail ground floor and basement car park

21. Cnr George & Lachlan & Macquarie Tower 1 - 10 Floors (Under Constrcution)
South West Cnr George & Lachlan
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5051/swcnrgeorgeandlaclansy9.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swcnrgeorgeandlaclansy9.jpg)

22. Cnr George & Lachlan& Macquarie Tower 2 - 10 Floors (Under Construction)
South West Cnr George & Lachlan
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5051/swcnrgeorgeandlaclansy9.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swcnrgeorgeandlaclansy9.jpg)

23. Westpoint Tower 1 - 10 Floors (Built 2005)
31-33 Campbell St
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/259/westpointt13qg.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westpointt13qg.jpg)

24. MaryVille Appartments Tower 1 - 10 Floors (Built 2006)
33-39 Lachlan St
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1835/3339lachlanstreet9ok.th.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3339lachlanstreet9ok.png)

25. Bathurst Towers - 9 Floors (Built 2006)
12-18 Bathurst St
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8846/1218bathurststreetss5.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1218bathurststreetss5.jpg)

26. Highcastle (aka Vida) - 9 Floors (Built 2007)
10 - 16 Castlereagh Street
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/21/vida1016campbellstfm1.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vida1016campbellstfm1.jpg)

27. 8-10 Lachlan Street - 9 Floors (Built 2007)
8-10 Lachlan Street
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/927/103408564ml1156229334ul3.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=103408564ml1156229334ul3.jpg)

28. 247 Northumberland St - 8 Floors (DA Approved)
247 Northumberland St and huckstep Serviceway
Commercial 8-storey with 3-basement levels sixteen office and six reatil

29. 24-26 Bigge Street - 8 Floors (DA Approved)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7277/liverpoolbiggestreet262un2.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liverpoolbiggestreet262un2.jpg)
-1436m2 site within the medical precinct of Liverpool Hospital
-DA Approved for 8 storey commercial development with basement parking, for use as medical offices
-Adjacent to Bigge Street Private Hospital & other specialist medical centres.

30. 12-14 Speed St - 8 storeys (Built Circa late 1970s)
12-14 Speed St
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_30/300/CJ_30_43877_35584.jpg

31. Ingham House - 8 storeys (Built ?)
Northumberland Street

32. Liverpool Hospital Building - 8 storeys (DA Submitted)
Part of Liverpool Hospital redevelopment

33. Fairfax House - 8 storeys (Built ?)
33 Moore Street
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9874/33mooreston3.th.png (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33mooreston3.png)

34. 5 Secant St St - 7 storeys (Construction)
5 Secant St
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7434/5secantsthj2.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5secantsthj2.jpg)
Commercial Building

35. The Interdell Centre - 6 storeys (Built ?)
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/ELD/ELD_184/300/ELD_184_37878_27574.jpg

36. 26 Castlereagh St - 6 storeys (Built 2007)
26 Castlereagh St
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5731/26castlereaghoq5.th.png (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26castlereaghoq5.png)http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3277/cagf7.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cagf7.jpg)
Commercial Building

[James Saito]

^^
So many "never built" and they all look gorgeous...

Very Sad. :(

[Muse]

LOL, the more in height we go, the more the status becomes "Approved", "Proposed" or "Never Built". Funny that.

Thanks for the comprehensive heads up!

[CULWULLA]

thanks. when i lived in liverpool (1971-80) this one went up. im sure it was late 70;s
i remember, wow, such a tall bldg!

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_30/300/CJ_30_43877_35584.jpg

[LanceDriver]

yep, all the good ones were never built!

[nmuzz]

[QUOTE=Italo-Australian;12607224]1. Eagle Tower 1 - 31 Floors (Never Built)
Cnr of Castlereagh & Norfolk Sts
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1773/f8dea9444rd.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f8dea9444rd.jpg)

^^ OMG! Eagle Tower looks very similar to the original Gravity project in Wollongong!!

[nmuzz]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9397/gravity2uc5.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gravity2uc5.jpg)

See?

[Italo-Australian]

WOW! Spitting image! except for the bridge. The developer for that site was Sayde Developmnets. It could of been the same deveoper or the same architect.

Designs get passed around in this bussiness. Where is the originatlilty? and designing a building because of its unique setting not because it worked some where else.

[el-capitano]

From what I understand- the Multiplex Peter Warren's site opposite Bigge Park & the church is to be re-lodged with a new DA by Mosca Pserras Architects, and will be somewhere in between 10-12 storeys in height.

As soon as I find out more I will post and hopefully have an image as well.

With regards to:
20. 53 Campbell Street - 10 Floors (DA Ammended)
Cnr Macquarie and Campbell- Opposite back entrance to Westfields
Commercial building, retail ground floor and basement car park

I have managed to wrangle the DA perspective from my sources.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/modelcurrent.jpg

[CULWULLA]

looks good.

[Italo-Australian]

Not bad.

Any glazing on the left hand side?

[Fabian]

How come all the better projects are being ditched in favour of $2 jobs? :bash: Disappointing. Hope the plan for Liverpool means better and taller buildings.

At least we should praise the 'cowboys' for proposing them in the first place.

[LanceDriver]

so all these great proposals out in liverpool but not much seems to eventuate which is a pity.

[cammo2004]

Well, Liverpool's a "third tier" centre within Sydney.

First tier would be Sydney, Parramatta, North Sydney, and Chatswood (possibly).

Then you have North Ryde, probably Bondi Junction, and Penrith.

Below that is Liverpool, Hurstville, and a couple of others.

Third tiers basically get the scraps from the other two levels above it.

[CULWULLA]

any of these developments happening??

10-16 castelereagh. slight design change

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/6518/104176518ml1185501298.jpg

[Gargarensis]

theres demolition work going on at that large triangular site on the corner of scott and macquarie sts, in the south of liverpool. i think there used to be a bank there, commonwealth or westpac maybe?

definitely looks like construction is swinging into action on that fairly big site

[el-capitano]

any of these developments happening??

10-16 castelereagh. slight design change


Its done as of this July/August. I should actually take some piccies for you guys to show you whats going up around here. :)

[James]

Don't know how interesting this is to you guys, but from tomorrow the Draft Comprehensive Liverpool Local Environmental Plan 2008 goes on exhibition at http://www.liverpool.nsw.gov.au/onexhibition.htm.

Its also the first new comprehensive LEP to come out in the Standard LEP format, and the third one all up (Ku-ring-gai Centres and another have gone on exhibition before).

[CULWULLA]

anything happening in liverpool?

[el-capitano]

Nice bump mate ;)

As I said I have to get around to taking some pics of the new stuff going up around here- you might have finally prompted me to get off my ass! :)

[CULWULLA]

cheers mate

[CULWULLA]

one of the tallest buildings in Australia in 1825. the old 80ft dome of liverpool tafe (former hospital) designed by francis greenway.
i actually did my Arts diploma there in 1982/3

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1231/1256827507_7c3c0e4ecd_b.jpg

[cammo2004]

Francis Greenway was a great colonial architect... I've got a book on some of the stuff he designed lying around somewhere...

The grounds there look well kept as well.

[CULWULLA]

greenway is a legend.
he designed 50 structures in Sydney and surrounds

some
macqaurie lighthouse
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/East0048.jpg

st mathews in Richmond,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/FG0009.jpg

St james church,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/FG0001.jpg

Hyde park barracks,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/FG0010.jpg

st lukes, liverpool
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/FG0014.jpg

conservatorium of music
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/East0093.jpg

[el-capitano]

Ok- I finally got around to taking some pics- here's some of the new commercial office building at Secant Street, Liverpool.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/RIMG0001small.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/RIMG0004small.jpg

[CULWULLA]

i like. very smart looking.
thanks for that!

[el-capitano]

Here's some various random Multi-Unit Residential Developments which have been popping up all over the Northern end of the Liverpool CBD between Westfields and the Hume Highway...........

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/various1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/various2.jpg

[el-capitano]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/various3.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/various5.jpg

[el-capitano]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/various4.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/el-capitano48/various6.jpg

[el-capitano]

i like. very smart looking.
thanks for that!

No worries :) - its a smart little building- eveyone involved in the project is happy with how it turned out apparently.

The centre section which wraps across the top is actually clad in Terracade- so its good to see a bit of quality commercial appear in Liverpool!

[CULWULLA]

new block of flats for northumberland st
THE PIONEER
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/3319/105413319ml1228350711.jpg

[el-capitano]

^^^

I've seen that going up- that was another Mosca Pserras design which got onsold by the original applicants to someone else who got a CC done by someone else- that perspective looks the same as the original DA though! ;)