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Tin_Can December 12th, 2009, 04:54 PM This is the third major project proposed in Tallinn,which is also designed by Danish architects (the other two being new city hall by BIG & academy of arts by SEA / EFFEKT)
It will be main building of Eesti Rahvusringhääling (ERR) / Estonian National Broadcasting,ERR radio & TV studios will be located there. Building will be built in Tallinn,Kristiine district,Tuisu street 21.
Architects: NOBEL Arkitekter A/S (Denmark)
Engineers: EA Reng AS (Estonia)
Building size:33.000 m2
Estimated start of construction: 2013
Estimated deadline: N/A
Cost of project: N/A
Main contractor: N/A ,to be announced once the procurement is over.
Current project status: problems with funding
Link to project on Nobel Arkitekter website>http://www.nobel.dk/nav.php/projekter/1/637/1
Project plan:
http://www.eareng.ee/public/files/large/ERR_arh_mudel.jpg
http://www.err.ee/images/articles/tuisu-3.jpg
Project renders:
http://www.err.ee/images/articles/tuisu-5.jpg
http://www.nobel.dk/uploaded/1%20ERR%2001.jpg
http://www.nobel.dk/uploaded/3%20ERR%2003.jpg
http://www.nobel.dk/uploaded/4%20ERR%2008.jpg
http://www.nobel.dk/uploaded/5%20ERR%2005.jpg
Project model:
http://www.nobel.dk/uploaded/7%20modelfoto3.jpg
http://www.err.ee/images/articles/tuisu-2.jpg
http://www.err.ee/images/articles/tuisu-1.jpg
Please note,that I will edit this post, once more infomation is published.
Tin_Can December 12th, 2009, 04:58 PM If all goes well,then construction should start next year :happy: ..about it's cost - there are rumours that it will be as expensive as KUMU art museum was. Anyway,once I'll know more,I will update this thread :)
Mario13th December 12th, 2009, 05:21 PM The ERR logo looks just godawful (like something from the 80's) and it doesn't match the building imo. :ohno:
Tin_Can December 12th, 2009, 06:40 PM Yeah,ERR logo is bit crap :D looks like it's designed by a 5 year old kid. They change ETV logos pretty often,but I doubt they'll change their main logo in any time soon.
Rebasepoiss December 13th, 2009, 01:41 PM The location is just plain awful. The plot is surrounded by a car dealership, hardware store, old warehouses and some commieblocks. It's one of the messiest areas in Tallinn and some 5-6km away from the city centre. Tallinn has been hit by suburbanisation in the recent years in the means of residential housing but what's more worrying is the fact we're decentralising in the means of offices, shops and public buildings as well. That totally destroys the hope of becoming less auto-centric. It's not like our city centre is too dense for development.
Jarmo K December 13th, 2009, 04:01 PM The ERR logo looks just godawful (like something from the 80's)
2007, kalle toompere -> http://www.division.ee/
(kui juba välja uurisin...)
ch1le December 13th, 2009, 05:33 PM The location is just plain awful. The plot is surrounded by a car dealership, hardware store, old warehouses and some commieblocks. It's one of the messiest areas in Tallinn and some 5-6km away from the city centre. Tallinn has been hit by suburbanisation in the recent years in the means of residential housing but what's more worrying is the fact we're decentralising in the means of offices, shops and public buildings as well. That totally destroys the hope of becoming less auto-centric. It's not like our city centre is too dense for development.
absolutely agreed.
Tin_Can December 13th, 2009, 07:12 PM The location is just plain awful. The plot is surrounded by a car dealership, hardware store, old warehouses and some commieblocks. It's one of the messiest areas in Tallinn and some 5-6km away from the city centre. Tallinn has been hit by suburbanisation in the recent years in the means of residential housing but what's more worrying is the fact we're decentralising in the means of offices, shops and public buildings as well. That totally destroys the hope of becoming less auto-centric. It's not like our city centre is too dense for development.
You are joking,right? You are worrying about suburban sprawl (which IS problem,but is also irrelevant to this development) because,national broadcasting building will be moved to a new location outside Downtown? :nuts: I'd see a problem if they would have moved it outside city limits,but the new location is about 1km or even less from Downtown border. You can't honestly think that ERR building should be built right in the center of Tallinn...
I see reason,why this location was chosen - cheap prize tag and good access,both by car and by public transport. Less trouble of getting mobile broadcasting stations to & from their main building. Money from selling land lots in Downtown will be used for funding this project (and it will be damn expensive project) Maybe this corner of Kristiine even gets bit reviving after this is built :)
Now,imagine driving this to Downtown during rush hour :ohno:
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/03/17/150052t41hd82e.jpg
Rebasepoiss December 13th, 2009, 09:02 PM You are joking,right? You are worrying about suburban sprawl (which IS problem,but is also irrelevant to this development) because,national broadcasting building will be moved to a new location outside Downtown? :nuts: I'd see a problem if they would have moved it outside city limits,but the new location is about 1km or even less from Downtown border. You can't honestly think that ERR building should be built right in the center of Tallinn...
I see reason,why this location was chosen - cheap prize tag and good access,both by car and by public transport. Less trouble of getting mobile broadcasting stations to & from their main building. Money from selling land lots in Downtown will be used for funding this project (and it will be damn expensive project) Maybe this corner of Kristiine even gets bit reviving after this is built :)
Now,imagine driving this to Downtown during rush hour :ohno:
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/03/17/150052t41hd82e.jpg
Why is everybody talking about reviving different areas when even the downtown is in desperate need of repairs and new developments?
How the hell is that area easily reachable via PT? A bus every 15-20min is fine, you think? I wasn't only referring to the ERR building when talking about suburban sprawl. I was referring to the fact that we have a city centre that's largely empty, yet we build important buildings outside of it.
To bring and example: look at Tallinn University of Technology and the amount of parked cars around it and then Tallinn University and the amount of parked cars there....
The city centre is called a "centre" because it IS in the centre and thus in the best possible location considering all the people living in whatever city.
But that's a pointless arguement since you don't seem to realise the fact that suburbanisation is not about the use of cars but about city planning.
Tin_Can December 14th, 2009, 02:03 AM Relax,man. :) Tallinn has serious problems with urban sprawl,mostly due to poor city planning (or lack of it),but disscussions about it would be more fit to Tallinn Development Thread. And we're not talking about all projects in general,we're talking about this project.
How the hell is that area easily reachable via PT?
About public transport - within 500m radius of planned ERR building are two bus stops - Tuisu & Järve (I think there's a third one also,on Tammsaare road,but I can't remember it's name) and one train station - Järve.
Map of both old and new ERR building locations. Old one is located on Gonsiori street,new one on Tuisu street.
http://i45.tinypic.com/29uxe07.jpg
ssh December 14th, 2009, 01:58 PM The location is just plain awful. The plot is surrounded by a car dealership, hardware store, old warehouses and some commieblocks. It's one of the messiest areas in Tallinn and some 5-6km away from the city centre. Tallinn has been hit by suburbanisation in the recent years in the means of residential housing but what's more worrying is the fact we're decentralising in the means of offices, shops and public buildings as well. That totally destroys the hope of becoming less auto-centric. It's not like our city centre is too dense for development.
Exactly. There is loads of undeveloped land and potential far closer to the city centre. A city centre should be the focal point, not something that people have to drive through to get to the other side (imagine people coming to ERR from the richer neighbourhoods near Pirita). But I'm sure they'll solve the problem with more parking lots...
Auto-centrism is here to stay and cyclists in the city centre will always seem suicidal or into really extreme sports, trams will always look like communist rust on wheels and (trolley)buses will sit in jams with SUVs. Heck, any car smaller than an X5 will have trouble seeing what lies ahead.
On topic: Thanks for the pictures. I had heard about the project and was interested in seeing some renders before.
ABC LV December 14th, 2009, 09:47 PM Exactly. There is loads of undeveloped land and potential far closer to the city centre. .
I am curious. Which area of Tallinn is considered "centre"? Some simple map would help.
Tin_Can December 15th, 2009, 01:51 PM ERR project plan is completed.
"Project has gone as planned and collaboration between client and architectural part developer Nobel Arkitekter has been smooth," said EA Reng AS chairman and project manager Jüri Rass.
"We gave project plan a much larger and more detailed volume as it is traditionally made in Estonia" commented Project Manager Kristo Tihvan.
«We took direction of making the entire project in BIM technology,that is, creating a virtual building model with different project components conflict control,energy modeling,etc, although not all the project partners can't yet see the benefits of it today," Tihvan added.
"In future, will be natural that client will have construction, administrative expenses and other similar simulations in the early project design stage. Created virtual building model moves on to builder,who can then get from it exact material volumes,unlimited amount of detail drawings and sections and who can also make needed adjustments to the model. Then final model goes to client for future everyday use. So wise client can get two buildings while using BIM - one virtual & one real."
According to current plans,building construction should start in early 2011.
Link to news (in Estonian) :http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=200679
I guess,they'll start selecting main contractor now :) Given the volume of the construction,it's rather easy guess,who will get the contract ;) (only few companies in Estonia have capability for such large scale construction)
Rebasepoiss December 15th, 2009, 07:50 PM I am curious. Which area of Tallinn is considered "centre"? Some simple map would help.
In my opinion, it's the area where there is some streetlife (pedestrian traffic). A simplyfied map, of course. Anyone is welcome to argue :D
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3373/kesklinn.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/kesklinn.jpg/)
And I know it's getting a bit OT, but we barely get any action in the "Estonia" section anyway.
dreag December 16th, 2009, 01:12 AM Good project. I like it!
Tin_Can March 14th, 2010, 05:58 PM Estonian National Broadcasting Building detail planning got approved by city officials.
BNS 10.03.2010
In Wednesday,10th March,Tallinn city approved Estonian National Broadcasting's (ERR) new building planning. According to planning,up to 5-storey building with 13000 square meters of ground floor surface area is allowed to be built on Tuisu 21 land lot in Kristiine district,Tallinn. Parking lot is planned to nearby Rahumäe road 3 land lot. Total area is over 8 ha. Tuisu street lot is owned by ERR,Rahumäe road lot is owned by government,via Defence Ministry. Area is undeveloped and does not have connectivity to utility networks. Area is partly covered with building & demolition debris.
Link> http://www.ehitusinfo.ee/index.php?aid=9191
:cheers: Now where's that mod,thread title needs changing...
Tin_Can September 6th, 2011, 01:17 PM Well,it looks like ERR building project isn't entirely dead. ERR has sent request to Ministry of Culture for additional funding in 2012 and 1 million euros of that is meant for continuing new broadcasting building project.
„2012. aastal vajame uue maja arenduseks minimaalselt miljon eurot, et jätkata tööprojektiga sisekujunduse ja konstruktsioonide osas ning valguslagede ja muu hoone ehitusega tihedalt seotud tehnoloogilise sisustuse projekteerimist, samuti katta Riigi Kinnisvara ASiga sõlmitava lepinguga seotud kulud,“ kirjutas ERRi juhatuse esimees Margus Allikmaa kultuuriministeeriumile eile saadetud kirjas.
http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/err-kusib-ministeeriumilt-uue-maja-ja-tehnika-jaoks-kolm-miljonit-eurot.d?id=57208628
Btw,planned contract with Riigi Kinnisvara is most promising. This usually precedes start of construction,so maybe we see real construction works in 2013-2014?
Tin_Can October 6th, 2011, 01:23 PM Start of new ERR building construction is moved to 2013.
Margus Allikmaa,Head of National Broadcasting,said on an interview with journalists that although tight budget has delayed construction of new ERR building,project is definitely not dead (as rumoured by some newspapers) and construction of new national broadcasting building will start in 2013.
Source: http://www.postimees.ee/589086/allikmaa-pingeline-eelarve-lukkab-uue-ringhaalinguhoone-ehituse-edasi/
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