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Now all it lacks is...people (and I suppose warm weather for that to happen). More OKC here: http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2009/12/merry-downtown-okc-christmas-2009.html

Beautiful, I love how they have the traffic lights green and red as well, really gets me in the holiday spirit.

Merry Christmas Ebenezer Scrooge.

^^^ LOL,you beat me to it SRG!

Crosses on office buildings???

Crosses on office buildings???

creepy, ain't it?

creepy, ain't it?

I like it. OKC moves up in my book now.

I like it. OKC moves up in my book now.

I like it to! Isn't the cross ultimately what Christmas is really all about?

Crosses on office buildings???
Or as Cashville would call them, targets.

Really like the lights. Wish Tampa can do the same. Heck, even on normal days our city isn't really light up. Maybe I'll contact the city and see about next year since our new Museum of Art and new park will be completed in February.

I like it to! Isn't the cross ultimately what Christmas is really all about?

Nope. Not at all.

creepy, ain't it?

Yes, very much so.

I like it to! Isn't the cross ultimately what Christmas is really all about?

Christmas is about $. I always thought a $ sign would be more prudent, esp if we couldn't get in a menorah or a Star of David on the Oklahoma Tower. Easter is about the cross.

We've had a hell of a December in OKC. Since I've gotten here it's been a handful of 3.0 mag earthquakes and 14 inch/60 mph wind blizzards..not your typical OKC events. It's like I took the Northwest home with me..

Nope. Not at all.

Christmas is a Christian Holiday.

Christmas is to clebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, Jesus was nailed to the cross to die for all of man's sins.

So, YES!!! The cross is what Christmas is all about.

Christmas is a Christian Holiday.

Christmas is to clebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, Jesus was nailed to the cross to die for all of man's sins.

So, YES!!! The cross is what Christmas is all about.

I see what you are saying and I agree to a point. But Christmas can be considered a religious and/or a secular holiday. Christians converted "secular" pagans to their religion by incorporating "pagan" things such as evergreen trees, gift-giving, deer, and even songs (The Holly and the Ivy) into the religion. Pagans celebrated the Winter Solstice with these things. That is what I have read. Am I correct? :dunno:

Christmas is a Christian Holiday.

Christmas is to clebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, Jesus was nailed to the cross to die for all of man's sins.

So, YES!!! The cross is what Christmas is all about.

Nope. Christmas has been celebrated since before anyone had even heard a mumble about a Jesus. Most of our Christmas traditions come from pagan Roman and European traditions that occured before Jesus showed up in the history books.
Even though there is no mention of a Christmas or a December 25th or of the shepherds walking during a freezing judean winter anywhere in the Bible, a Pope decided that's what they'll celebrate on that pagan holiday - all in an attempt to convert the Romans who were still largely pagan at that point.

So besides the little cute nativity scene some people made up, Christmas celebrations and traditions aound the world remain largely seperated from the Christian belief of Jesus. None of it. Not the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, the misltetoe, the gifts, the family gatherings, the christmas carolers, not even eggnog!

And even with the chritian beliefs thrown on to Christmas, the cross as a Christmas decoration is indeed creepy.

Back on topic - Miami

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Nope. Christmas has been celebrated since before anyone had even heard a mumble about a Jesus. Most of our Christmas traditions come from pagan Roman and European traditions that occured before Jesus showed up in the history books.
Even though there is no mention of a Christmas or a December 25th or of the shepherds walking during a freezing judean winter anywhere in the Bible, a Pope decided that's what they'll celebrate on that pagan holiday - all in an attempt to convert the Romans who were still largely pagan at that point.

So besides the little cute nativity scene some people made up, Christmas celebrations and traditions aound the world remain largely seperated from the Christian belief of Jesus. None of it. Not the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, the misltetoe, the gifts, the family gatherings, the christmas carolers, not even eggnog!

And even with the chritian beliefs thrown on to Christmas, the cross as a Christmas decoration is indeed creepy.

You're right, but to say the cross as a Christmas symbol is creepy? It's true that Christmas wasn't originally about the cross, and I stand by my comments about how Christmas is really about money -- but be real, don't forget that the reason most people celebrate Christmas is because of the importance it has assumed over the ages, especially in our culture, in Christianity. The lax Christians who don't go to church even on Christmas celebrate Christmas because everyone else is. That's the reality. Nobody is trying to worship the winter solstice anymore..

Nope. Christmas has been celebrated since before anyone had even heard a mumble about a Jesus. Most of our Christmas traditions come from pagan Roman and European traditions that occured before Jesus showed up in the history books.
Even though there is no mention of a Christmas or a December 25th or of the shepherds walking during a freezing judean winter anywhere in the Bible, a Pope decided that's what they'll celebrate on that pagan holiday - all in an attempt to convert the Romans who were still largely pagan at that point.

So besides the little cute nativity scene some people made up, Christmas celebrations and traditions aound the world remain largely seperated from the Christian belief of Jesus. None of it. Not the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, the misltetoe, the gifts, the family gatherings, the christmas carolers, not even eggnog!

And even with the chritian beliefs thrown on to Christmas, the cross as a Christmas decoration is indeed creepy.


It is a christian holiday and it is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

The devil's firm grip and control of you is indeed creepy.


Yes, the cross has great power to the devil and all non-believers.
That is why it might seem creepy to you but it doesn't have to be.

Trying to lead a revival, right here in this thread?

It is a christian holiday and it is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

The devil's firm grip and control of you is indeed creepy.


Yes, the cross has great power to the devil and all non-believers.
That is why it might seem creepy to you but it doesn't have to be.

Can you save me? :cry: :evil:

imagine that...a cross at "Christ"mas time. That does seem strange.

Since this is the Southeast forum and the Southeast is predominantly Christian, it's reasonable to assume that the cross and Jesus Christ is a huge component of the Christmas season. So a building in the Southeast with a cross on it seems reasonable. While it is true to say many of our Christmas customs are not directly related to Jesus, without the "Jesus" connection Christmas would be relegated in importance as a holiday just above holloween and new years. The "Jesus" part of Chritmas makes Christmas much more than it otherwise would be. Even Santa Claus, while frowned upon by some Christians, has some Christian roots and IMO and has been elevated in its importance by it's direct or indirect associations with the Christain celebration.

Merry Christmas!!

With this whole hijacking on what the cross, christmas, and $$$ really means; the idea that it is really targets on the buildings doesn't sound too bad now...

It is a christian holiday and it is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
We know that, but the origins are not Christian. Christmas has been placed on december 25, because the winter solstice was important for many pagan worships. Depending on the Churches, Christmas was set on january 6, march 25, april 10 or may 29.

It's difficult to find the true origins, I can mention the Gaulish god Sucellos ("Good Hammer", related to Dis Pater and the Irish Dagda: "Good God"), his left hand gives death, the right gives resurrection.
Now, I refer to the usages in my region, the north of France. Santa Claus (Père Noël in French, literally "Father Christmas") or Saint Nicolas represents the good hand whereas Père Fouettard (lit. Father "Whippard") represents the bad one. Père Fouettard accompanies Saint Nicolas. Saint Nicholas gives chocolate to well-behaved children, Père Fouettard gives coal or beets to the others.

Père Fouettard is in fact the leader of the wild hunt, a bogeyman with a red beard or a giant armed with a club. The wild hunt goes across the forest and make the trees sparkling. Because "Nicholas" is also the master of the fire, he comes from the subterranean world. The name of Nicholas was given to the nickel (from kupfernickel). In german, the kupfernickel is a bergwerksdämon (devil of the mines).

This status (man with hammer-master of fire) has been assigned to Saint-Eligius, patron saint of goldsmiths, blackmiths and other workers in metal. The good side, the hand providing abondance, in its turn, was christianized in Saint Nicholas/Santa Claus.

Fir trees were sacred, since they are evergreen, they symbolized immortality. Brambles, pines and hawthorn take the role of firs in plains and legends.
Joseph of Arimathea went in Glastonbury, well known in the Matter of Britain. He stuck his staff into the ground and the staff became a hawthorn in bloom. Until the XVI century, Englishmen offered a spray of the Holy Thorn at Christmas. Here, the flowers replace the flames.

In other legends the flames are just candles, like in Durmart le Gallois (Durmart of Wales) who sees a tree gleaming like stars and, at the top, the Christ Child, sign of grace and promising destiny.
The sacred tree has been christianized in Christmas tree. It appears in mediaeval Alsace : branches of firs (Weihnachtsmeyen/Christmas tree) were hung in the houses, a fir tree was raised in front of the Churches and decorated with red apples recalling the fall of Adam and Eve.

And...hijacked.

Can you save me? :cry: :evil:

I can't save you. God can save you though.

oh.... :shifty:

Back on topic...again... Pensacola.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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Wow Pensacola looks good on that street. What happened to the Redneck Riviera?

in Amarillo, we used to have this HUGE tree in Wolflin Square and you could see it for miles.