The upgrade will transform how we think about and use the area, making it more attractive for people to relax, dine and spend time in. When complete, the upgrade will provide high quality paving, modern street furniture and new outdoor public seating, vegetation and lighting.

Feedback can be provided here (http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/projects/cbdproject/lornestsay.asp)

You can also view the overall design in PDF format:
Overall design - Lorne Street stage two (312kb PDF) (http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/projects/cbdproject/docs/lornestoveralldesign2010.pdf)

Lorne Street outside the library
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The proposed design for this section of Lorne Street introduces the exciting concept of shared space and aims to create a multifunctional, vibrant open space destination.

The design proposes paving across the full width of the street, removing kerbing to allow pedestrians to move more easily into and through the area. This also provides opportunities and space for outdoor dining and a variety of other street activities and events. Watch our YouTube clip to learn more about shared spaces and where else council is looking to introduce these in the CBD.

A set of stairs running along the front of the library is proposed to connect and open up the current multi-levelled street and provide space for people to sit and relax. New and interesting seating, artwork and lighting will give the area a distinctive look and feel, helping to create an atmosphere people will enjoy spending time in.

Lorne Street outside Senior College
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The section of Lorne Street outside Senior College will be upgraded into an attractive, pedestrian friendly street. The draft design sees the removal of kerbs and the introduction of a full width pavement. This will enhance the appearance of the street and encourage pedestrians to use the space as a key north-south connection from the waterfront to the Learning Quarter. It is proposed that vehicle parking be restricted to after hours.

Rutland Street
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New planting on Rutland Street will create a greenway, linking Aotea Square and Albert Park. Footpaths will be upgraded and widened with high quality basalt paving and new lighting will be installed to make the area more pedestrian friendly and safer at night. The footpath on the corner of Rutland and Queen streets, outside AUT, will be widened, with current private vehicle and mobility parking relocated to the north side of the road.

Design features
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The upgrade will transform this area of the city into an attractive and creative place for people to spend time in. Featuring high quality paving, modern street furniture, new outdoor public seating, artwork, vegetation and lighting, the area will become an interesting and unique destination in the CBD.

Paving
The paving proposed for Lorne Street outside the library will be distinct from conventional streets, indicating to vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians that they are in a shared space and that different behaviour, traffic speeds and awareness is required. Made from a series of basalt and granite bands that alternate between dark, mid-tone and lighter grey stone, the paving will be durable and attractive.

The section of Lorne Street outside Senior College will be part paved with granite and some sections finished in asphalt.

Rutland Street will operate as a conventional road with an asphalt surface.

Vegetation
New trees will be introduced into Rutland Street to create an attractive greenway linking Aotea Square and Albert Park. The type of tree is yet to be decided.

Seating
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Distinctive public seating is proposed in Lorne Street outside the library. New steps leading from outside the library into the shared space will also provide more space for people to sit and relax. Other seating will include a mix of bench seats with and without backs and armrests.

Lighting
Pole mounted lights will create a safer nighttime environment and provide security, safety and good visual guidance for vehicles and people. The design features lighting to accentuate selected vegetation and seating as well as in-ground pedestrian light markers

Artwork
A number of light boxes are proposed to create a venue for two-dimensional artworks as part of a citywide public outdoor art gallery. The light boxes will feature changing artwork.
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The St James façade could be utilised as a giant surface upon which to project images. The creative use of this space could include open-air cinema, poetry, text and artwork projection.
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Parking
To support the creation of a successful shared space all formal vehicle parking will be removed from Lorne Street outside the library. The removal of parking will provide greater space for people and make room for outdoor dining and other outdoor activities. Motorcycles and bicycle parking will be incorporated into the space.

Parking in Lorne Street outside Senior College will be restricted to after hours, meaning parking will not be permitted between 8am and 6pm Monday to Friday.

Vehicle parking and mobility parking will be rearranged in Rutland Street.

Loading and service delivery
Two allocated loading zones in Lorne Street in front of the library will be accessible between 6am – 11am Monday to Saturday, consistent with loading and service delivery times in Queen Street.

Rutland Street will also have one loading zone.

Accessibility
Quality shared spaces are safer for everyone. They attract a greater number of people, resulting in slower vehicle speeds and greater awareness from all users. We are working closely with accessibility advisors to ensure people with limited mobility, including wheelchair users and those who are visually impaired, will find it much easier to move around.


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Fantastic find, thanks :) It looks very interesting, probably the most interesting proposal we have had up until now.

Fantastic find, thanks :) It looks very interesting, probably the most interesting proposal we have had up until now.

The area that will be upgraded is a real dump at present so I really look forward to this. The upgrade of Lorne street between Rutland and Mayoral drive will also link into the planned new pedestrian crossing being installed across Mayoral Drive to improve access to the Learning Quarter.

I really encourage everyone to write in feedback in support of the project, all it takes is 1 or 2 businesses whining about the loss of on-street carparking to derail aspects of the project as happened with the Fort Street shared space project.

This looks fantastic. I really hope it does not get watered down.

This looks fantastic. I really hope it does not get watered down.

Make sure you fill out the feedback in support :-)

Fort street is potentially getting watered down because they are getting a lot of flak from the law firms demanding that the cars exiting and entering their car-parking garages in Lumley etc continue to have priority over pedestrians. This is why the project has now been split into 3 parts, they know they can get the first part (Queen to Commerce street) through the consenting process and the rest can be dumped at a later stage if necessary.

Yes definitely make sure you submit in support of the project. All the previous shared space projects have been watered down to some extent, so I think council would greatly appreciate having a few people respond in favour of keeping them as proposed!

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By Bernard Orsman

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An upgrade of the street area around the central library is expected to cost $10.9 million, but Auckland City officers have yet to say why it could cost so much.

A much bigger basic upgrade of Queens Wharf is costed at $15 million to $20 million.

The short section of Lorne St outside the library is to be turned into a shared space in which vehicles and pedestrians will share a new road surface of basalt and granite paving.

A set of stairs running along the front of the library will connect the multi-levelled street and provide space for people to sit and relax.

Pole-mounted lights are planned, with a several light boxes featuring changing artworks.

The St James facade could be used as an open-air cinema and for artwork projection.

The $10.9 million budget also includes new paving in Lorne St outside Senior College and new paving and trees for Rutland St.

A council spokesman said officers could not nail down an exact cost until they had assessed public submissions and come up with a final plan.

Last night, arts, culture and recreation committee chairman Greg Moyle said he did not know what the breakdown was for the project, but planned to find out today.

He praised the various streetscape improvements in the central city, but said the council had to be confident it was getting value for ratepayers' money.

The Lorne St project appears to be a smaller project to the upgrade of St Patricks Square, which took 14 months and cost $9.2 million.

"The Lorne St upgrade area is in a prime location in the CBD and we want to see it really come to life as a place people can enjoy spending time in," Mr Moyle said.

In 2001, the council planned to upgrade the entire length of Lorne St, from Victoria St to Senior College, at a cost of $4.5 million.

In 2004, the budget blew out to $13.1 million. The section between Victoria and Wellesley Sts was completed between 2005 and 2007 at a cost of $4.5 million.

Lorne St, outside the library, is the third central city street proposed as a shared space. The other two are a $9.5 million makeover for Elliott St and Darby St, and a $23 million upgrade of Fort St.

The council's urban designers have persuaded councillors to develop a suite of streets into "shared space" where pedestrians will be free to roam as long as they do not unduly hold up motorists. Footpaths, parking spaces and most street signs will go, leaving the onus on drivers to act on visual clues and edge carefully past pedestrians.

The concept has been introduced in cities including London, New York, Copenhagen and Brisbane.

* Public consultation on Lorne St runs from today until February 8. For more information go to: www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/cbd

What $10.9m buys

* Shared space, steps, lights and light boxes outside central library.
* New paving outside Senior College.
* New paving and trees for Rutland St.

Please don't forget to have your say (http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/projects/cbdproject/lornestsay.asp)

Make sure you fill out the feedback in support :-)

Just filled it out online. Thanks to Mr Kiwifruit for the link.

Link was also in first post at the top :-)

Aha so it was just noticed that. Thank you also for posting it. Hopefully this project can get plenty of positive submissions.

Aha so it was just noticed that. Thank you also for posting it. Hopefully this project can get plenty of positive submissions.

Hope so too, especially if the media is already bagging the cost!

Yeah that's a shame. I noticed there was another negative article in this morning's herald. Not much else to report on this time of year i suppose.:ohno:

Yeah that's a shame. I noticed there was another negative article in this morning's herald. Not much else to report on this time of year i suppose.:ohno:

Perhaps the reporters miss that this is actually upgraing all of Lorne street up to Mayoral Drive and Rutland street which all in all is quite a lot of street so to say.

The upcoming plans for O'Connel street will be interesting, but I'm still hoping they upgrade Emily Place one of these days.

I often walk up lorne st on my way to kang nam station, that amazing korean resaurant on the corner. I always think it looks a bit run down in that area. Im not sure about it being upgraged though. It just feels like backstreets that not many people walk up or see often anyway. Know what i mean?

This is creating quite a kerfuffle in the Herald, thanks Bernard Osman you jerk for bringing out all the dick heads.

Well in favour, will defo submit, they never listen to you though its only local tenants who have any say.

I often walk up lorne st on my way to kang nam station, that amazing korean resaurant on the corner. I always think it looks a bit run down in that area. Im not sure about it being upgraged though. It just feels like backstreets that not many people walk up or see often anyway. Know what i mean?

Lorne street is used a lot by people walking down from AUT, the upgrade of upper Lorne street is one that AUT has told ACC is a priority project.

Renders scanned from the Lorne Street upgrade brochure

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I have to say I really like what they are proposing for out front of the library - looks excellent! Thanks for the scans :-)!

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looking good

It looks very interesting
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Looks good. Now all we need along there is the St James to open and the library to get a facelift and it will be fantastic.

I really find it great how these upgrades have turned what were forgotten little grotty roads like Darby and Lorne Street into inviting open spaces - I would have never thought to have sat outside the library and read a book previously, now the option seems quite appealing. My only regret is that they didn't plant some more trees like they've done in Fort Street to break the space up a bit and provide some shade. The small bar/cafe across the road will be able to expand out onto the footpath now.

That looks good. Love the quotations on the steps!

I really find it great how these upgrades have turned what were forgotten little grotty roads like Darby and Lorne Street into inviting open spaces - I would have never thought to have sat outside the library and read a book previously, now the option seems quite appealing. My only regret is that they didn't plant some more trees like they've done in Fort Street to break the space up a bit and provide some shade. The small bar/cafe across the road will be able to expand out onto the footpath now.

I'd agree with that, a bit more greenery on a few of these streets would be far more desirable overall. We need to embrace our greenery more than we do. But other than that, the paving is a fantastic improvement.

Looking back at page 1, I see that the art lightboxes, seating, and cycle racks still need to be installed. Should be a great street once this is all done.

Full steam ahead in Rutland and Lorne Street, new lights are up and Nikau Palms are going in ....

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The new entrance to AUT being across the road to Lorne Street will lead to this becoming a pretty busy thoroughfare between uni and town.

The new entrance to AUT being across the road to Lorne Street will lead to this becoming a pretty busy thoroughfare between uni and town.

About time, as you know there is already a new pedestrian crossing across Mayoral Drive which will link Lorne Street with the new pedestrianised Governor Fitzroy Place which is going to look awesome ... I just can't find the renders now :(

EDIT: Just spotted the Governor Fitzroy Place upgrade in this video ...

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Our lovely free (parking) spaces ....taken this afternoon:

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Last time I was there - a few weeks ago - I saw signs posted here allowing people to park (up to 120 mins even if I recall correctly). Did you see any of those signs this time? Even if they're not there now, surely they would have sent out the wrong message...

Or... also a while ago I noticed that this part of the street was marked as having parking on a council-released map about the proposed new parking scheme... At first I thought it might have been a mistake, but now I'm starting to think maybe they are going to allow parking here...(?)

This photo makes me weep :ohno: I've just about given up on hoping that something will be done about this.....Our city could be so great......

Our lovely free (parking) spaces ....taken this afternoon:

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^^ someone needs to make a fuss to the right people.....

^^ someone needs to make a fuss to the right people.....

But as far as I'm aware people on this forum have already made attempts at telling the right people, but from the looks of it those responsible don't seem to care.....

Again, look at the map on this Council website (www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz/improving-transport/cbd-parking-zone/Pages/cbd-pricing-changes.aspx)... It looks like Elliott, Darby, Fort etc. are left out, whereas Lorne St is marked as an area where parking is or is going to be allowed (?). And there have been signs saying parking up to 120 mins is allowed - just don't know if they are still there. Mind you, this could have something to do with Rutland St being dug up? Let's find out what the exact plans are. It's all so very confusing that you can hardly blame the people who park here...

Mind you, this could have something to do with Rutland St being dug up? Let's find out what the exact plans are. It's all so very confusing that you can hardly blame the people who park here...

I think that you are right, parking has been removed from Rutland so it could only be a temporary measure until the project is completed and parking has been re-instated in Rutland.

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I spoke to some parking wardens about Lorne Street and they told me that it is still illegal to park after 11am and that they were on their way to policing the area more .... let's wait and see :ohno:

Trees ! :applause:

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Loving all the greenery in the last pic :cheers:

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beautiful

I can already see cars parking on that wide pavement (the first pic). Shared spaces seem to have created some confusion in the city - car drivers think that the entire city is a shared space now and illegal parking is rampant. Friday night there was a car parked in Vulcan Lane.

Unfortunately I think that wide pavement is designed for cars :(

Unfortunately I think that wide pavement is designed for cars :(

hell no it isnt!

The signs say 120 minute parking for the disabled or something

The signs say 120 minute parking for the disabled or something

I think that it is only for Lorne Street, the pic that I am talking about is Rutland Street.

The current parking on Lorne Street outside the Brooklyn Bar was only a temporary measure until they had completed Rutland St and I believe that it will soon be removed.

The proposed plan shows that the space on Rutland Street is to be split 50/50 for both vehicles and motorcycles, with a maximum time of 10 minutes for vehicles. Upper Lorne Street (towards AUT) will have pay and display for those wanting to park for longer periods.

^^

Has anyone else noticed the new motorcycle parking in Elliot now has a limit of 180 mins (3 hours) now?

^^

Has anyone else noticed the new motorcycle parking in Elliot now has a limit of 180 mins (3 hours) now?

motorbikes are fine.. Larger vehicles are the dangerous idiots

^^

Scooter and motorbikes had unlimited parking before - been a scooter rider myself I don't understand why they would limit the hours?

edit - can't be bothered

about?

Are we still getting these artboxes? :dunno:

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hell no it isnt!

Sure is. I believe that is a dedicated loading zone for the Library with fancy paving. Notice the lack of kerbing?

Sure is. I believe that is a dedicated loading zone for the Library with fancy paving. Notice the lack of kerbing?

im meaning Rutland.. Has Rutland got it too?

Yeap you're looking at Rutland Street.

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ah well.. loading zones are algood...

Loading zones - yeah right (it could be a Tui Ad) .... more like free parking 24/7.

Are we still getting these artboxes? :dunno

There are four possibilities;

1. They didn't work and won't be replaced
2. A funding shortfall
3. Brewer sees it as excess
4. They removed them as not to get damaged while they finish off Rutland Street and will replace them soon.

The neon light work is also still missing from Fort Lane ?????

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The ripple effect has already started with Rutland Street cafe opening

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loving the last pic :P

I love this ..... a road is a road with bright yellow lines to show that there is no parking allowed, wide pavement with outdoor seating and trees. Demarcated loading zone and not much of it either. This is something that Auckland car drivers understand - make it simple for them ;) ...

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This is what I hate - cars parked all willy-nilly, bashed rubbish bins, make-shift signs, dull as dishwater street-scape ... it is horrid !!!!

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The upgrades on Rutland Street and Lorne Street (outside Senior College) are due for completion in the week commencing 19 November. Still no sign of those colourful "billboards" ???? I have been invited to take a walk with Ludo through the CBD on the 27th of November and I will ask him about them ....

Nice to see a nice big spot for people to park their motorbikes on Rutland Street, all good and well, but what part of motorcyles only at all times do people in their cars not understand? I was happy to see however, several AT wardens spending time on Elliot Street on Friday stopping anyone from parking. But if car drivers don't even obey clearly signposted parking spots what hope is there?

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Bless you ignorant Aucklanders :lol:

Just boggles the mind that nothing is done about this ... I was so hoping that Ludo would take us down to Lorne Street so that I could tell them what I think about it but I am guessing that he also just as embarrassed.

Just boggles the mind that nothing is done about this ... I was so hoping that Ludo would take us down to Lorne Street so that I could tell them what I think about it but I am guessing that he also just as embarrassed.

the parking wardens need a kick up the rear

the parking wardens need a kick up the rear

More like a rocket up the rear ;)

But those signs are just so confusing and ticketing them would be revenue gathering, the poor souls need to be let off.

But those signs are just so confusing and ticketing them would be revenue gathering, the poor souls need to be let off.

you should make tui billboards :lol:

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Wow, you quickly forget what a dump Lorne st was before. I actually take this route now over queen st.

Parking & speeding still an issue but on the upside I saw cars being ticketed (for the first time) on Elliot.

What is the fine these days for parking somewhere you shouldn't?

What is the fine these days for parking somewhere you shouldn't?

It used to be $40

It used to be $40

Is that all ? no wonder people are doing as they please - it should be triple that and added to a slush fund for beautification projects in the city.

Is that all ? no wonder people are doing as they please - it should be triple that and added to a slush fund for beautification projects in the city.

:P

Is that all ? no wonder people are doing as they please - it should be triple that and added to a slush fund for beautification projects in the city.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure some drivers (especially the luxury car kind) just take the 'risk' of getting ticketed. Good chance you won't get one and if you do it's about the same as parking in a building anyway.
I recon if a ticketed car is still there 2 hour later you have the right to tow it. If you park illegally (such as shared space) it should be a tow right away.

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And already people are parking on Lorne Street in direct violation of all the signs saying no parking between 8am-6pm MF.....:ohno:

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Damn you guys are anti-cars. Every second post is a rant about it. Calm down people. You'll burst something.

Damn you guys are anti-cars. Every second post is a rant about it. Calm down people. You'll burst something.

We are anti people flagrantly breaking the parking rules around the city and turning public spaces into their own parking spaces - this isn't anti-car it's pro-people and protecting the few spaces there are for them in Auckland.

We are anti people flagrantly breaking the parking rules around the city and turning public spaces into their own parking spaces - this isn't anti-car it's pro-people and protecting the few spaces there are for them in Auckland.

This is always going to happen. It's not new and it is something that will never change. People will push their luck in all walks of life, including parking their car.

Where I work at Grafton is a perfect example. The roads around there are a mish-mash of weird council planning. You have quiet suburban side streets with 1 hour parking for some reason, and yet other streets right next to it are free parking. Some of the streets have a mixture of 1 hour, 2 hour, 4 hour, and free parking. So what do people do? They just drive around in circles until they find the right park. IMO they'd just be better off letting people park where they want which would reduce congestion and pollution in the area quite a bit. Not to mention all the residents just park in their driveways and block the sidewalk.

I guess my point is some of you guys come across as a bit elitist with this parking stuff. Not everyone lives in the inner city next to good public transport routes. If the council thinks it is a problem they will get pressure from the public to crack down on it, but clearly that is not happening.

Not entirely sure how you can be elitist when it comes to breaking parking laws..but anyway. There are a multitude of big multi storey car parks to use, ample parking all over, but it's peoples lazyness and lack of action from the council that causes it..to say it is something that will never change is nonsense, carry that attitude towards everything and the City would be a horrid place to live in, stuck in the 70's.

Fact is, you fine people when they park illegally, they don't do it again..it doesn't happen in many other Countries unless you are so rich its easier just to take the fine.

I remember a quote from a former Mayor of Bogota that said something like, why should the council supply you with a space to park your property, where it doesn't supply you with a fridge to store your food, or a cupboard to keep your clothes.

Bit extreme but he has a point..

I'm not anti driving, I've driven for 12 years..but if you want to live in a City (and that doesn't mean City centre, that means the whole City) you have to accept the parking laws, park elsewhere or find alternative ways of getting around.

Not entirely sure how you can be elitist when it comes to breaking parking laws..but anyway. There are a multitude of big multi storey car parks to use, ample parking all over, but it's peoples lazyness and lack of action from the council that causes it..to say it is something that will never change is nonsense, carry that attitude towards everything and the City would be a horrid place to live in, stuck in the 70's.

Fact is, you fine people when they park illegally, they don't do it again..it doesn't happen in many other Countries unless you are so rich its easier just to take the fine.

I remember a quote from a former Mayor of Bogota that said something like, why should the council supply you with a space to park your property, where it doesn't supply you with a fridge to store your food, or a cupboard to keep your clothes.

Bit extreme but he has a point..

I'm not anti driving, I've driven for 12 years..but if you want to live in a City (and that doesn't mean City centre, that means the whole City) you have to accept the parking laws, park elsewhere or find alternative ways of getting around.

Yeah and where is Bogota in the world liveability rankings? That mayor sounds like an idiot.

It's elitist because generally the people strongly against parking are people that tend to live in the city, often with a bit of wealth. They have to realise the city is a place of work and commerce for a large chunk of the city. It's easy to shut down parking in a city but unless you provide alternatives all you are doing is making things harder for a lot of people.

It's a no win deal for people on lower incomes. They are driven away from the inner city because of the high rents and forced to live in the outer burbs. And of course the outer burbs have shit and expensive public transport which forces them to take cars. And then what? The city becomes a giant no parking zone which puts them in a shit no win situation.

At least Rutland St looks far better now, despite the parking issues..

Yeah and where is Bogota in the world liveability rankings? That mayor sounds like an idiot.

It's elitist because generally the people strongly against parking are people that tend to live in the city, often with a bit of wealth. They have to realise the city is a place of work and commerce for a large chunk of the city. It's easy to shut down parking in a city but unless you provide alternatives all you are doing is making things harder for a lot of people.

It's a no win deal for people on lower incomes. They are driven away from the inner city because of the high rents and forced to live in the outer burbs. And of course the outer burbs have shit and expensive public transport which forces them to take cars. And then what? The city becomes a giant no parking zone which puts them in a shit no win situation.

Well he actually turned that City around, so I'd suggest researching such things before throwing unbased opinions around...but it's irrelevant.

Nobody is against parking, it's illegal parking in public spaces that everyone has the issue is..it's not a wealth thing, and note your arguement with wealth is absolute nonsense, I live in the city but can't really afford to run a car..a car is hardly the transportation method of the poor now is it, its geting dearer and dearer and always will as we slowly run out of fuel?! You're mixing political views and in my opinion don't really have a great argument here not to mention making assumptions of people without really knowing.

More people that use PT because of less options to enter the City via car mean patronage of PT going up, patronage of PT going up means this stupidly shortsighted right wing government finally has no other option but to invest in PT, PT improves and all the car loving poor folk can finally join us big shots in the big City ;)

But yeah you're right, we are all rich City dwellers that scoff at those poor folk illegally parking in their SUV's..if only they could afford a trip on the bus.

Well he actually turned that City around, so I'd suggest researching such things before throwing unbased opinions around...but it's irrelevant.

Nobody is against parking, it's illegal parking in public spaces that everyone has the issue is..it's not a wealth thing, and note your arguement with wealth is absolute nonsense, I live in the city but can't really afford to run a car..a car is hardly the transportation method of the poor now is it, its geting dearer and dearer and always will as we slowly run out of fuel?! You're mixing political views and in my opinion don't really have a great argument here not to mention making assumptions of people without really knowing.

More people that use PT because of less options to enter the City via car mean patronage of PT going up, patronage of PT going up means this stupidly shortsighted right wing government finally has no other option but to invest in PT, PT improves and all the car loving poor folk can finally join us big shots in the big City ;)

But yeah you're right, we are all rich City dwellers that scoff at those poor folk illegally parking in their SUV's..if only they could afford a trip on the bus.

Hey, you're the one that mentioned some irrelevant city, not me. Don't throw it back at me.

As for the parking thing. Please. There's clearly an anti-car agenda in this sub-forum, I've noticed it slowly creeping into this forum over the years and it is getting to the point where it's annoying. Every second post it seems is some comment about cars and parking. In fact, people that seem to disagree with this consensus seem to end up on the banned list.

The reality is that people need to drive into the city because the PT system sucks ass. And I mean, REALLY sucks ass. There are numerous suburbs in Auckland where the coverage is basically so poor it is not feasible. So what do you suggest these people do then? Catch the single bus that comes in that hour which is overloaded and unreliable at the best of times and costs about $15 a day.

People that live downtown need to understand the CBD is not their personal playground. People travel there to work and until the council understands half of the population live outside of the inner city burbs then people will continue to drive in as that is the better option for thousands of people. I'm sorry if the plebs from the burbs annoy you, but we need to work and live as well and that includes those shop owners some of you guys get annoyed about. How dare they try and protect their finances by wanting some parking outside their store. Clearly not being an eyesore is more important.

^^

No one has ever been banned for been pro Private transport - if you are referring to Rob, he was banned by another international forum for spamming and trolling endlessly elsewhere. (If you have an issue with that take it up with the mod who banned him.)

No one is talking about stopping people from driving a car into the CBD or stopping people from parking a car. What we do insist on, is that people obey the laws - so if there is parking only during a certain time frame - obey that - if there is no parking - obey that. Don't just assume because you drive a car and you can negotiate that into a space and park it there, that you have every right to do so, even if it is contrary to the laws. I live in the inner city and I own a car. However when I use my car I don't park illegally. I respect my community and I respect my fellow citizens and I use the public parking (that costs a fortune by the way - $16.00 early bird for the day - so much for cars been cheaper).

If it becomes 'OK' to park illegally because everyone does it and gets away with it, what's next?

Hey, you're the one that mentioned some irrelevant city, not me. Don't throw it back at me.

As for the parking thing. Please. There's clearly an anti-car agenda in this sub-forum, I've noticed it slowly creeping into this forum over the years and it is getting to the point where it's annoying. Every second post it seems is some comment about cars and parking. In fact, people that seem to disagree with this consensus seem to end up on the banned list.

The reality is that people need to drive into the city because the PT system sucks ass. And I mean, REALLY sucks ass. There are numerous suburbs in Auckland where the coverage is basically so poor it is not feasible. So what do you suggest these people do then? Catch the single bus that comes in that hour which is overloaded and unreliable at the best of times and costs about $15 a day.

People that live downtown need to understand the CBD is not their personal playground. People travel there to work and until the council understands half of the population live outside of the inner city burbs then people will continue to drive in as that is the better option for thousands of people. I'm sorry if the plebs from the burbs annoy you, but we need to work and live as well and that includes those shop owners some of you guys get annoyed about. How dare they try and protect their finances by wanting some parking outside their store. Clearly not being an eyesore is more important.

Our PT system while still pretty crap, has improved quite a bit over recent years and it is allowing a lot more people to get into the city. Over the last 10 years there have been 6000 fewer people enter the city centre at peak times by car yet something like 15-20,000 extra are coming in by PT and modeshare is now about 50:50.

I live in the burbs and often take PT but occasionally I will drive in. When I do I park in a car parking building, I don't just make up a car park on the footpath outside my destination which is what people have an issue with.

You last comment is quite hilarious though, of all the shops in the CBD, how many of the customers that visit them do you think do so by parking out the front. The percentage would be so small it is laughable and actually in general, it shops without parking tend to do better than shops with parking. Queen St for example only has a handful of car parks along its length yet has 25-30,000 people walking along it daily. If we were to just let people park their cars freely on the footpath that would detract from the place and make it less inviting which means less people walking, what do you think that would do to shopping revenues? Further the evidence from shared spaces is that their conversion has resulted in double digit growth above the rest of the CBD areas which hospitality seeing a 400% increase as a result of having more people friendly spaces with less carparks. What they think they want and what's best for them are always the same thing.

The reality is that people need to drive into the city because the PT system sucks ass. And I mean, REALLY sucks ass. There are numerous suburbs in Auckland where the coverage is basically so poor it is not feasible. So what do you suggest these people do then? Catch the single bus that comes in that hour which is overloaded and unreliable at the best of times and costs about $15 a day.



Read the post again. People are moaning about others parking their cars willy nilly without regard for the rules and regulation. This has got nothing to do with PT.

When people get some weird notion in their head they rarely read what people are saying to them. It's been said a million times that we are annoyed with illegal parking, but in all the incoherant rants he doesn't even mention the one thing we are actually talking about. Just reads like some bitter person who diesn't know the demographics of the City, thinks everyone is rich and resents the fact he lives in the suburbs.

The posts confuse me, slate the council for not sorting public transport (which they are) then get on your high horse about people being able to park outside their shop they want to go in..

and who pays $15 for a bus trip?

Just reads like some bitter person who diesn't know the demographics of the City, thinks everyone is rich...


Spot on. Every time I have a similar argument with some of my friends about PT/Urban Planning they into a misguided tangent about how people who live in the city/city fringe are filthy rich and everyone can't afford to live there bla bla :| They just don't understand the demographics of the city. Mind you, most of them hardly set foot in the central city.

In fact, people that seem to disagree with this consensus seem to end up on the banned list.

Total crap. You are just making shit up here. Try to argue using facts.

^^

No one has ever been banned for been pro Private transport - if you are referring to Rob, he was banned by another international forum for spamming and trolling endlessly elsewhere. (If you have an issue with that take it up with the mod who banned him.)

No one is talking about stopping people from driving a car into the CBD or stopping people from parking a car. What we do insist on, is that people obey the laws - so if there is parking only during a certain time frame - obey that - if there is no parking - obey that. Don't just assume because you drive a car and you can negotiate that into a space and park it there, that you have every right to do so, even if it is contrary to the laws. I live in the inner city and I own a car. However when I use my car I don't park illegally. I respect my community and I respect my fellow citizens and I use the public parking (that costs a fortune by the way - $16.00 early bird for the day - so much for cars been cheaper).

If it becomes 'OK' to park illegally because everyone does it and gets away with it, what's next?

Agreed :applause:

Saw a bunch of taxis parked on the footpath outside the ferry building today. That really fucked me off. Where are all the parking wardens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^

We also saw a taxi parked on the plaza in front of 8 Mahuhu Crescent (which is the public walkway in front of the building) instead of in their rank on the side. Definitely need better enforcement.

There definitely needs to be more enforcement. I wrote to AT complaining and they said I should call them if I see someone parking in the wrong place.

Pfff...like it's my job to enforce parking in the central city; maybe if there was a free number where we could report things directly and get some action straight away.

There definitely needs to be more enforcement. I wrote to AT complaining and they said I should call them if I see someone parking in the wrong place.

Pfff...like it's my job to enforce parking in the central city; maybe if there was a free number where we could report things directly and get some action straight away.

Yeah Like I did, waited an hour and nobody arrived - by then all the illegally parked cars had left.

There could be a car parking enforcement sub-forum given the amount of posts on that topic lately. Electronic (camera/sensor) enforcement can't be too far away, surely. Maybe we should lobby for that?

I'm pretty sure the downtown CBD could operate very well if it were 90% "shared space" for delivery trucks and residents/shopkeepers only.

& It's a crime that 40,000 parking spaces sit vacant on evenings and weekends, when people could be using those to shop, eat at restaurants, etc. Maybe we can lobby for the tax reform suggested here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6594918/Threat-to-free-work-car-parks

^^

We also saw a taxi parked on the plaza in front of 8 Mahuhu Crescent (which is the public walkway in front of the building) instead of in their rank on the side. Definitely need better enforcement.

That cab is there basically everytime I walk past, must be the same guy who knows he can get away with it.

Maybe we can lobby for the tax reform suggested here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6594918/Threat-to-free-work-car-parks

That has already been signed into law and comes into effect April 2014 i.e. the tax year after the next.

Lorne Street outside Senior College will be a goldmine if they bothered to enforce it, the entire parking strip is full of cars parked despite a big sign saying no parking......it's like that every time I walk past.

That cab is there basically everytime I walk past, must be the same guy who knows he can get away with it.

He probably can in that even if a parking warden shows up he can drive away.

I authorise the payment of a parking fine at work most days so the wardens are doing something.

We have no alternative as to where the guys park - the loading bays are always full (of cars) so it has basically just become another business expense for us. However if any office based person gets a ticket - they pay.

I haven't had a parking ticket in years because I don't park illegally and it shits me no end that so many do. I used to have a go at offenders, particularly those who park in disabled parks but in the end I decided having punches thrown at me wasn't worth the effort.

That has already been signed into law and comes into effect April 2014 i.e. the tax year after the next.

Oh wow that surprises me, but good news!

Could council extend the idea by giving rates relief to commercial buildings that open their car parks for public (paid) use in evenings and weekends?

We really need some big, new, exciting developments in Auckland to talk about :)

Oh wow that surprises me, but good news!

Could council extend the idea by giving rates relief to commercial buildings that open their car parks for public (paid) use in evenings and weekends?

Why should we subsidise further expansion of parking in the city? I don't see why that would help anyone? There's already more than enough public parking in town, council already subsidises to below market rates parks in the buildings they own. If anything we should be doing what many other cities in Australia do which is levy each and every carpark a business owns or operates on the order of 1000-2000 per annum.

Why should we subsidise further expansion of parking in the city? I don't see why that would help anyone? There's already more than enough public parking in town, council already subsidises to below market rates parks in the buildings they own. If anything we should be doing what many other cities in Australia do which is levy each and every carpark a business owns or operates on the order of 1000-2000 per annum.

I'm using reverse logic. More parking = Less Parking. :banana:

Whether it's acheived by rates adjustments, FBT, levies....I think that if we can free up 40,000 spaces for public use, then Council could really declare war on parking....
- no more at-grade parking lots
- no on casual on-street parking
- sell Downtown and other car park buildings
- no new car parks built
- hike rates on parking buildings
- more shared spaces

I also believe more cheap car parks for diners and shoppers would be a good thing - the City could use more custom after hours, when the streets are relatively quiet (sometimes eerie). It's commuter traffic (inc. buses) that causes the nasty congestion, pollution and car-domination of our streets and that's all over by 6:30.

CBD restaurants, entertainment, late night shopping, theatre, organised social events, etc, all could be boosted if we can get people away from the mindset of "CBD sucks for parking" (which it does).. It saddens me that malls get so much of people's time & money these days.

(sorry this is bit off topic!)

After hours parking is already cheap as in the city, and we are now at a point where the majority of people in the city during the day are getting there by non-car based means. This all means we don't need to coddle car drivers to encourage them into the city, instead we need to invest in things like better off peak buses particularly in the evenings and early hours such that more people will come to town via that means. The downtown carparking building will be redeveloped in due course, and as it is Auckland has more carparks downtown than Melbourne a city more than 3 times the size, more carparking will simply create more problems.

I think this forum should just be renamed "Let's have a moan about parking" forums. It's like a stuck record.

BTW, nowhere did I ever state I don't care about people parking "illegally". People need to respect whatever the local law is. However there is no doubt that pretty much everyone here wants the carparks reduced dramatically in the central city which is extremely misguided with Auckland in its current state. I'm not sure why you guys deny this since some of you have openly stated that. For this to be done there needs to be regular bus/train services to most of the population and that is a pipe dream to the hundreds of thousands of people in the outer burbs.

So once again I will ask. For the hundreds of thousands of Aucklanders where PT hasn't improved in decades....what are they supposed to do to get to work? I think some of you guys have clearly never lived out past the inner-city and don't realise how diabolical the PT is. It's either non-existent, spotty coverage, or just plain unreliable.

I'd rather they keep some on street parking rather than build those monstrous multi-level carparks. Has anyone seen the new one next to the hospital in Grafton? It looks like a war bunker and on windy days it sounds like wailing banshees due to the shit design.

Give me on-street parking over crap like that any day of the week.

I think most people are advocating the reduction of on-street carparks, not parking in general. Once PT improves, then further reductions can be made and/or changes in pricing for the multi-stories to discourage use in peak hours.

There is a massive amount of capacity in the existing parking buildings (yes, I agree they are ugly but we are stuck with them for now). So there is little need for on-street parking (short term aside) in most parts of the CBD, particularly when it is such a poor use of that land in the most expensive real estate in the wider region.

We really need some big, new, exciting developments in Auckland to talk about :)

Never a truer word was spoken :)

Never a truer word was spoken :)

Indeed...

Has anyone seen the new one next to the hospital in Grafton? It looks like a war bunker and on windy days it sounds like wailing banshees due to the shit design.

Pick your poison........

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There is also a little one opposite us on Federal St next to the Church that is always empty..

I don't mind the Hospital one, least it offers more visually..the others are horrific, especially High Street.

The hospital one is at least activated at street level which makes it rare amongst the rest of the Auckland shockers, my main gripe with it is that it is built overlooking the Domain providing views that really would have made fantastic apartments. I know it would have probably been difficult for the hospital to have built apartments there (outside of its scope/mandate) but it seems a shame to waste such prime views on a carpark, same has to be said of ones like the Britomart carpark. It would have been great to have seen both sites wrapped with apartments offices with the carparks in the center - this was actually what was consented for at Britomart. The developers then went back after getting permission and got a plan change to allow them to swap out all the apartments with carparks, a plan which if presented from the start would have been declined - yet by going about it in the way they did they managed to get it through, goes to show that Auckland Planning needs a rethink in many areas.

I think this forum should just be renamed "Let's have a moan about parking" forums. It's like a stuck record.


Jeez no one forces you to sit at your computer and read these posts, if they annoy you then don't, simple. I skip over your post as I know they'll just be complaints. You sound like those whiners who follow people on twitter and then complain about what they tweet. Give me a break.

The hospital one is at least activated at street level which makes it rare amongst the rest of the Auckland shockers, my main gripe with it is that it is built overlooking the Domain providing views that really would have made fantastic apartments. I know it would have probably been difficult for the hospital to have built apartments there (outside of its scope/mandate) but it seems a shame to waste such prime views on a carpark, same has to be said of ones like the Britomart carpark. It would have been great to have seen both sites wrapped with apartments offices with the carparks in the center - this was actually what was consented for at Britomart. The developers then went back after getting permission and got a plan change to allow them to swap out all the apartments with carparks, a plan which if presented from the start would have been declined - yet by going about it in the way they did they managed to get it through, goes to show that Auckland Planning needs a rethink in many areas.

The hospital one has serious design flaws. Trust me, I work right next to it. Try being around it on a windy day. The noise is horrendous.

Plus ever since the parking building was built the traffic around the area has become much worse because cars back up into the street during busy periods. It was better before, people should just be allowed to park on the street in the area then we would have no need for that monstrosity and the congestion issues would be less. Anyway I'm also starting to sound like a stuck record so I'll leave it at that.

Jeez no one forces you to sit at your computer and read these posts, if they annoy you then don't, simple. I skip over your post as I know they'll just be complaints. You sound like those whiners who follow people on twitter and then complain about what they tweet. Give me a break.

Pot kettle.

The hospital one has serious design flaws. Trust me, I work right next to it. Try being around it on a windy day. The noise is horrendous.

Plus ever since the parking building was built the traffic around the area has become much worse because cars back up into the street during busy periods. It was better before, people should just be allowed to park on the street in the area then we would have no need for that monstrosity and the congestion issues would be less. Anyway I'm also starting to sound like a stuck record so I'll leave it at that.

You are completely entitled to your opinion, I'm just baffled as to what it is? you argue that people should be allowed to drive to the City as all the 'poor people' live in the suburbs but you criticise multi storey, you say that people should be allowed to park on street, yet if everyone parked on the street, who would want to go into the City to shop, its full of cars parked everywhere (there is only a certain amount of space if its all on street) and you'd struggle to find a space. You want to improvce public transport, but you'd rather people drove...to be honest you just come across as having an agenda against people on this forum and seem a little jealous and bitter and not really wanting the City to improve and move forward. I implore you to see other Cities, how they work and how they progress...I'm sure their CBD streets aren't full of on street parking.

Walked through Lorne/Rutland Street this afternoon. The road outside ACG college was full of cars parked back to back on yellow markings. Nice little pick up area for the parents now :ohno:

Walked through Lorne/Rutland Street this afternoon. The road outside ACG college was full of cars parked back to back on yellow markings. Nice little pick up area for the parents now :ohno:

Both sides of Lorne Street outside Senior College is no parking from 8am-6pm and the right side is always no parking. I don't know what the logic was with the design up there as it still signals to pedestrians to stay on the sides of the road and to drivers that they have right of way.

You are completely entitled to your opinion, I'm just baffled as to what it is? you argue that people should be allowed to drive to the City as all the 'poor people' live in the suburbs but you criticise multi storey, you say that people should be allowed to park on street, yet if everyone parked on the street, who would want to go into the City to shop, its full of cars parked everywhere (there is only a certain amount of space if its all on street) and you'd struggle to find a space. You want to improvce public transport, but you'd rather people drove...to be honest you just come across as having an agenda against people on this forum and seem a little jealous and bitter and not really wanting the City to improve and move forward. I implore you to see other Cities, how they work and how they progress...I'm sure their CBD streets aren't full of on street parking.

Yeah ok. So I'm "entitled to an opinion" but I'm not really entitled to an opinion because if it differs from yours I'm "jealous and bitter" :ohno:

I don't think you've managed to get anything correct by the way, nor why on earth you would think I'm jealous. Jealous of what exactly? Auckland? The CBD? I'm not sure.

Both sides of Lorne Street outside Senior College is no parking from 8am-6pm and the right side is always no parking. I don't know what the logic was with the design up there as it still signals to pedestrians to stay on the sides of the road and to drivers that they have right of way.

A response I got from AT said it's not a shared space, hence the design of the road and that they are putting more signs up to let people know there are parking restrictions.

How people can miss the existing signs I don't know, I guess if you don't look for them you can't see them!