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TampaMike
January 26th, 2010, 03:22 AM
Gambling opponent now wants to open doors for more casinos
By Mary Ellen Klas, Times/Herald Tallahassee Bureau
Posted: Jan 25, 2010 05:49 PM

TALLAHASSEE — Ellyn Bogdanoff has given up. Once one of the most ardent opponents of gambling expansion in the Florida House, the Fort Lauderdale legislator is now ready to open the doors to full-fledged casinos because, she says, Florida "is losing the battle'' to the Seminole Tribe.

Backed by one of Las Vegas' largest gambling magnates, Bogdanoff wants to allow casinos at five to seven "destination resorts'' throughout the state through the Florida Gaming Equalization Act.

Under the plan, voters would first have to approve the casinos in local referendums.

Then, a state gaming commission would grant permits for the convention-focused entertainment centers. Applicants could range from the big names of Vegas to Florida's parimutuel industry. The expansion would offer competition to the Seminole Tribe's Hard Rock casino resorts near Hollywood and Tampa.

Sheldon Adelson, chairman and CEO of the Las Vegas Sands Corp., told the St. Petersburg Times/Miami Herald on Friday that he is prepared to invest in bringing mega-convention centers and casinos to Florida that would include shopping centers, theaters, spas, hotels, restaurants and, yes, full casinos.

One possibility: a $3 billion resort casino that could create as many as 7,000 jobs, he said.

"We're not interested in putting up slot parlors or a gambling den. We want destinations and integrated resorts," he said. "This is our specialty and we would have a very good interest in getting in — with the provision they don't allow so many'' that the gambling market would be saturated.

Adelson, a billionaire developer of mega-resort hotels and convention centers, has hired a Tallahassee lobbyist, made several visits to Florida to make the case for the concept, and has contributed heavily to Florida campaigns — including $19,000 from him and his family to Gov. Charlie Crist's U.S. Senate campaign.

His corporation will open its fourth resort in Singapore in April, a 50-acre, $5.5 billion investment.

Florida appeals to him, he said, because of its attractiveness to national and South American travelers.

"I'd have to be in South Florida," Adelson said. He said he'd also consider sites in Tampa Bay and Orlando, as long as the resorts were no more than 20 minutes from an international airport.

For the last two years, Florida lawmakers have been in a pitched battle with the Seminoles and Crist over a gambling compact that would enable the tribe to have slot machines and the exclusive operation of blackjack and other table games at its seven reservations in exchange for payments to the state.

Adelson said that by allowing the Seminole Tribe to expand, "the state is losing out on job creation. The state is missing out on tax revenue and the chance to do regulation right."

Despite having no valid agreement, the Seminoles have expanded their operations, opened a new casino, and set aside $225 million to pay the state if the agreement is reached.

Now, Bogdanoff is trying to convince her colleagues that it may be time to give up on the compact and instead "create competition to an industry that is not going away."

Bogdanoff's support for the plan is an about-face for her. A Republican running for the state Senate seat being vacated by Senate President Jeff Atwater, she campaigned with former Gov. Jeb Bush against bringing slot machines to Miami-Dade and Broward counties in 2005. She helped secure a 50 percent tax rate on slots in 2006. And she has been one of the most strident opponents to the governor's compact with the tribe since then.

But the tax rate and other restrictions have "put a choke hold'' on the parimutuel industry, Bogdanoff said, and legislators "have to keep throwing them lifelines. How do we allow them to invent themselves?"

Bogdanoff is not alone. Two other prominent conservatives — Rep. Alan Hays, an Umatilla Republican, and Rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera, a Miami Republican — also say they are open to bringing full casinos to Florida.

But the major shift in thinking is no game-changer. House Speaker Larry Cretul says the idea for destination casinos is not ripe yet and his chamber is still focused on getting a deal reached on the gambling compact with the Seminoles.

While Adelson and Bogdanoff have "amped up'' the debate, "and there might be some who think that there's an opening," Cretul said, "I'm not so sure the opening is there."

A House committee plans a hearing in February on Bogdanoff's idea and other alternatives to signing a compact, said Rep. Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton, who heads the Select Committee on Indian Compact Review.

And even the ailing parimutuel industry doesn't see the idea for destination resorts and casinos getting traction in this election year.

"Ellyn fought against me from Day 1 so I'm glad she's now got the right idea," said Dan Adkins, head of Mardi Gras Racetrack and Casino in Hallandale Beach. "But I don't think you can get it."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1068086.ece

Even though I'm kind of iffy on casinos, if this is approved, Tampa should not wait a second to get some major resorts. Same goes with St. Petersburg and Cleawater. Although both cities have a disadvantage for being further than 20 minutes from TIA.

TampaMike
January 26th, 2010, 06:13 AM
Would anyone be sadden if we lose the Fairgrounds for a casino resort like MGM or Sands? I think it would be easier to find a another location for the State Fair than finding another location for a resort 20 minutes from TIA.

I-275westcoastfl
January 26th, 2010, 06:35 AM
There is plenty of land to build a casino resort in much of the metro area so loosing the fairgrounds seems foolish. I do think we should allow full casino resorts to be built since this state is facing so many problems with money right now. Perhaps they could build one on one of the empty lots in Clearwater Beach and other possible locations.

TampaMike
January 26th, 2010, 06:45 AM
There is plenty of land to build a casino resort in much of the metro area so loosing the fairgrounds seems foolish. I do think we should allow full casino resorts to be built since this state is facing so many problems with money right now. Perhaps they could build one on one of the empty lots in Clearwater Beach and other possible locations.
I was thinking about Clearwater Beach, but seeing how much them residents complain about any new condo, I can only imagine their heads exploding once hearing anything with "casino" in it.

The reason for the Fairgrounds is the close proximity of I-4, possible HSR stop, and would keep the casinos outside from our business districts and downtown. Having Hard Rock just across the highway, it would keep them more centralized than having them all spread out. Of course there will be opposition from Hard Rock, but I would think every casino in Las Vegas or Atlantic City would feel the same way when a new casino is announced.

jonknee
January 26th, 2010, 06:09 PM
Why would you want to keep it outside of DT? It would be great for businesses.

I-275westcoastfl
January 26th, 2010, 06:49 PM
I was thinking about Clearwater Beach, but seeing how much them residents complain about any new condo, I can only imagine their heads exploding once hearing anything with "casino" in it.

The reason for the Fairgrounds is the close proximity of I-4, possible HSR stop, and would keep the casinos outside from our business districts and downtown. Having Hard Rock just across the highway, it would keep them more centralized than having them all spread out. Of course there will be opposition from Hard Rock, but I would think every casino in Las Vegas or Atlantic City would feel the same way when a new casino is announced.
Yea I think the snow birds and other retirees would whine like there is no tomorrow but with idiot residents aside I could see it working out very well. I think a cluster of casinos isn't a good way to start out, having them spread out throughout the metro area will likely mean they will be successful. Over time perhaps a cluster of Casinos would develop somewhere.

JBrisco
January 26th, 2010, 09:36 PM
I think there are other options that need to be looked at instead of just gambling, there's a multi-billion dollar industry that other states are starting to tap into. But its good that they are starting to put the "moral" agenda to the side. I really don't like being told what to believe especially when then 1st amendment guarantees that the government won't pass laws that respect any religion.

DShenise
January 27th, 2010, 02:06 AM
Any of the beaches would be great, a selling point even Las Vegas doesn't have (though they do have topless pool decks). But as TampaMike said, they get pissy over permits for new vegetable carts, so anything bigger than a SFR detached is a no-go.

So then you start think of DT St. Pete and DT Tampa as the next centralized, density encouraging locations. Though JHouse has a good idea about building a new Rays stadium in DT Tampa, I don't think that'll ever get off the ground. Therefore, DT Tampa makes the most sense to me. There is the existing convention center there. There is an existing hotel base there. There will hopefully be a HSR terminal there. There is an existing bus terminal (hopefully soon a LTR intermodal center) there. The positives for DT Tampa outweigh St. Pete substantially. So IF the state gets its act together, the city ought to get its eminent domain act together and get a decent parcel assembled in the general vicinity of DT.

TampaMike
January 27th, 2010, 06:20 AM
Probably a crazy idea, don't know don't care, would the site that once proposed for a couple residential towers and park (corner of Channelside Dr. and Crosstown Connector) be a good location?

DShenise
January 28th, 2010, 04:24 PM
Any large parcel in DT or Channelside would be good. It would help the convention center too. Imagine having something for everyone to do DT.

tampamobster21
January 30th, 2010, 11:26 PM
If the Sands were to build downtown it would force Channelside to get it's act together.

TampaMike
January 30th, 2010, 11:44 PM
If the Sands were to build downtown it would force Channelside to get it's act together.
Definately, most definately. Someone brought up moving the convention center to the Ybor Channel area, same place I proposed putting either a Sands or MGM. Both ideas would work with a Sands in that area. We could be talking about a casino, 5-Star Hotel, new convention center, retail, parking, and the city will likely push for them to include a ChannelWalk like what was proposed in the last development. Just imagine how much that would spur development and fill in retail in the Channelside District? It would deliver the same results a Rays Stadium in the area would do.

TampaMike
March 2nd, 2010, 12:50 AM
Anyone know if a meeting was ever set up on this?

TampaMike
December 5th, 2010, 06:37 PM
With a Republican-controlled House in our distant future, can we expect the issue of gambling to be resurrected?

I-275westcoastfl
December 5th, 2010, 07:47 PM
It's possible gambling or higher taxes?

TampaMike
December 5th, 2010, 07:58 PM
And it is something that will create jobs if the 5 to 7 "destination resorts" that were mentioned in the first post article. If 7,000 can be created with just one resort, about 50,000 could be created with the 6 other resorts.

DShenise
December 5th, 2010, 08:17 PM
It depends on the make up of the current Republican crop. If they are more of the libertarian minded sort, they have no problem with gambling. If its the hell fire and brimstone types, no chance.

TampaMike
December 6th, 2010, 03:15 AM
It depends on the make up of the current Republican crop. If they are more of the libertarian minded sort, they have no problem with gambling. If its the hell fire and brimstone types, no chance.
Who knows, it might be their way of trying to getting around raising taxes.

TampaMike
January 9th, 2011, 02:38 AM
Well, Scott is being open minded on "destination casino resorts" in Florida, including Tampa. Although the owner of the Sands said that he would construct his in Miami (damnit!), Scott mentioned that 5 to 6 casino resorts could happen in Florida. Also, some congressman is writing up a bill to present next week to allow these casino destination resorts in Florida.

I have a problem with the argument that we shouldn't allow casinos in Florida because it will attract gambling addicts. First off, we already have two Seminole Hard Rock casinos, so what's the difference? Second, we also have alcoholics, constant smokers, and shopping addicts; should be ban alcohol and cigarettes and limit shopping malls? I doubt I would enter a casino, maybe once, but just once. I know a lot of people who go to the casinos once to about 3 times a year, normally just for their birthday or someone else's. I don't disagree that there is gambling addicts, but I don't understand the mega concern about gambling addicts when there is no concern about alcoholics and addicts to nicotine.

I also have a problem that casinos we'll detroy the family-friendly image the state of Florida has. What the heck is the family-friendly image anyways? Disney?

I-275westcoastfl
January 9th, 2011, 05:57 AM
I guess all the strip clubs make us family friendly as well?

TampaMike
January 9th, 2011, 06:08 AM
EXACTLY! And like I said, we already have casinos. If casinos somehow make us less "family-friendly", I want to see one congressman tell the Seminoles that they can't operate the casinos anymore because they'll be closing down to make this state even more family-friendly.

If they want to keep a family-friendly atmosphere, fine then. Deny any operation of casinos in Orlando. Gives Tampa a chance for a 2nd or 3rd casino resort.

Jahi98
January 10th, 2011, 03:35 AM
I kind of support the idea of keeping them out of Orlando just to spread the wealth so to speak. Miami and Tampa are good locations that already have more "adult" appeal. If this proposal goes though and Tampa gets chosen, I like the Fairgronds site or somewhere near there. With an expanded Hard Rock there, it creates a greater destination there that would also attract other things -- other hotels, housing, shopping, ect. Plus it would further justify an additional HSR stop.

Downtown Tampa would be a good second choice, putting it near the HSR terminus or Channelside area.

TampaMike
September 23rd, 2011, 03:35 AM
Legislator tours Singapore casino, readies push to bring one to Florida
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/corporate/legislator-tours-singapore-casino-readies-push-to-bring-one-to-florida/1193092

Of course, all the Legislators are trying to get them in Miami. Okay, I get it, Miami is an International type of city. But hey, spread the casinos and you have more tourists and people traveling through the state, adding more is gas tax revenue and hopefully more riders in a future HRS Line.

HARTride 2012
September 23rd, 2011, 01:54 PM
I have to find the article again, but it was in yesterday's SP Times (or maybe Wednesday's). It was about the anti-gambling expansion groups trying to rally the legislature & Rick Scott to stop further expansion of gambling.

I-275westcoastfl
September 24th, 2011, 12:36 AM
Casinos are perfect for Tampa, we better get some Casinos here!

TampaMike
September 24th, 2011, 03:17 AM
Casinos are perfect for Tampa, we better get some Casinos here!
I really want some in Tampa too. Not like I'll go to them much and probably for other friends' events and such, but add some places to make Tampa more of a destination.

Sands will likely end up in Miami... as much as I would rather like them to open in Tampa. It will take the city and county to really talk their way past all the Legislators trying to bring them to Miami to get some hope that at least one opens up in Tampa. In any case, it will likely end up offering them millions of dollars in incentives and property tax breaks to get anything.

HARTride 2012
October 7th, 2011, 01:31 AM
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/october/325204/Lawmakers-renew-push-for-state-gaming-commission

An appeals court ruled Thursday that lawmakers can authorize slot machines anywhere in the state of Florida.

Legislators may not stop there. A bill is about to be filed in Tallahassee that could lead to destination resort-casinos in the Sunshine State.

If the bill passes, it could mean billions of dollars a year in new revenue that could be used to help Florida address its ongoing budget issues.

Rep. Erik Fresen, R-Miami, said he's prepared to file a bill that would create a gaming commission, which would have the power to shut down operations like Internet sweepstakes cafes but encourage massive new projects.

TampaMike
January 30th, 2012, 06:52 AM
So looks like Florida might have a referendum on the ballot this year asking if Florida should allow casino resorts in the state.

If the election was today, would you vote yes or no on allowing casino resorts in Florida?

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2012, 03:38 PM
I would vote yes, right before I move out of state.

lol j/k

I-275westcoastfl
January 30th, 2012, 05:27 PM
I'd vote yes, we have bored old people and tourists here. Florida is a tourist place, lets face it casinos are meant to be here, we have the perfect setup for it. The "morality police" need to let it go and realize this is a place that people come to get drunk and have fun and hopefully soon gamble. For me its the economic impact, I could see a booming casino industry here, likely one of the few industries that will boom here for the next few years.

TampaMike
January 30th, 2012, 11:26 PM
Agreed. And we already have the Hard Rock casinos, casino boats, and lottery to name a few, so it's not like we DON'T have gambling already.

I wonder, with the assurance that casinos can operate anywhere in the state, if Tampa would catch the eye of one resort. I understand that many would probably like to be in Miami, but we could pitch that if they build it, they will come.

Jasonhouse
January 31st, 2012, 05:39 PM
Tampa would be the 4th or 5th market I would consider if I was a casino operator looking at Florida for expansion. (after MIA, ORL, FTL/WPB... and if a casino was built in Orlando, then the panhandle would probably be more attractive than Tampa due to market overlap)


Point being, I wouldn't get your hopes up for a casino coming here when this corrupt 'resort casino' scheme is inevitably approved by the legislature later this year... Especially since state politicians flat out don't give a flying fuck about the Bay Area, and generally use our region as an ATM for funding to pay for their agendas elsewhere.

tampasteve
January 31st, 2012, 09:53 PM
YES

IIRC the talk is of having a few resorts, I believe limited to 3 or 4. Unlikely Tampa would get one if it is limited to so few. About the best we could hope for would be an expanded Hard Rock, which is pretty likely and in all honesty not to far from being a major resort as it is - especially if they build the new hotel tower.

Steve

I-275westcoastfl
January 31st, 2012, 11:35 PM
If its limited thats lame, we need to go all out!

tampasteve
January 31st, 2012, 11:50 PM
According to this article from TBO (http://www2.tbo.com/news/business/2012/jan/31/casino-proposal-holds-high-stakes-for-seminoles-ga-ar-353145/) it is only for three "destination resorts". The bright side is that the rest of the Seminole casinos would then also offer other real games like craps and roulette. There is also a chance the parimutuels would offer slots - so Tampa Bay Downs and the dog track would have a lot more to offer. If the parimutuels offer games then I would not be surprised if Tampa Jaialai were to resurrect (the license is still owned).

Steve

John F
February 4th, 2012, 09:15 PM
It's dead. Couldn't get the votes to get it out of committee.

For an election year, Scott and his friends are pretty much pushing the wrong things with the Casino plan and prison privatization agenda

Jasonhouse
February 5th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Amazing that it didn't even get out of committee.

TampaGuy
February 5th, 2012, 05:18 PM
You can't fight the mouse.

Or the Seminoles for that matter.

John F
February 5th, 2012, 07:47 PM
^^ Not in an election year.

This will be back next year.