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kitayabi February 3rd, 2010, 09:56 PM Ndjamena. Chad's President Idriss Deby Itno said Wednesday he will meet Sudan's President Omar al-Beshir in Khartoum on February 8, amid a thaw in relations between the African neighbours, AFP reports.
The two countries signed an agreement last month to set up a joint force on their border, which effectively means that Chad would have to stop supporting Darfur rebels and Sudan cease backing Chadian rebels.
kitayabi February 3rd, 2010, 11:52 PM I think it would be in the interest of both Countries to mend relations
da Vinci February 3rd, 2010, 11:56 PM I think it would be in the interest of both Countries to mend relations
unfortunately this is not totally up to them :ohno:
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:04 AM unfortunately this is not totally up to them :ohno:
I am not a fan of Chad but I think they have realised that it would be in their interest to make peace
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:12 AM President Idriss Deby will visit neighboring Sudan next week to talk peace on his first visit to the country in several years, Chad's state-owned radio reported Monday.
Deby will make the visit because "war has never resolved anything," Radio Chad quoted the president saying. "Chad wants to live in perfect harmony with its neighbors."
Deby told visiting foreign lawmakers he had not informed Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir of his intended visit but will do so before Monday, his planned date of arrival in Khartoum, the Sudanese capital.
Deby is believed to have last traveled to Sudan in 2004 when he held talks with al-Bashir in the capital of northern Darfur, El-Fasher. Al-Bashir was last in Chad in August 2006.
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:12 AM but what sort of an idiot invites him self to some ones elses Country
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:13 AM :ohno:
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:16 AM http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1172507&lang=eng_news
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:17 AM :)
King of Kush February 4th, 2010, 12:03 PM Im not a fan of Deby myself but i think the government need to do whatever to bring the Darfur crisis to an end. If only the international community had exerted as much pressure on the rebels as it did on the government we would have seen an end to this crisis long time ago. But they are reluctant to do so and the only way to pressure these rebels would be to mend relation with chad and close their backyard escape once and for all. Honestly i don't see the doha negotiations going forward without doing so.
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 12:23 PM Im not a fan of Deby myself but i think the government need to do whatever to bring the Darfur crisis to an end. If only the international community had exerted as much pressure on the rebels as it did on the government we would have seen an end to this crisis long time ago. But they are reluctant to do so and the only way to pressure these rebels would be to mend relation with chad and close their backyard escape once and for all. Honestly i don't see the doha negotiations going forward without doing so.
the rebels can still peace negotiations make unreasonable demands because they know that it only increases pressure on the Government. With out the supply line and funding from Chad they can't survive.
badro96 February 4th, 2010, 03:17 PM Im not a fan of Deby myself but i think the government need to do whatever to bring the Darfur crisis to an end. If only the international community had exerted as much pressure on the rebels as it did on the government we would have seen an end to this crisis long time ago. But they are reluctant to do so and the only way to pressure these rebels would be to mend relation with chad and close their backyard escape once and for all. Honestly i don't see the doha negotiations going forward without doing so.
:yes::yes::yes:
I very much agree...
kitayabi February 4th, 2010, 05:31 PM unless the rebels are properly pressured they wont sign a peace deal.
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 01:45 PM Deby's trip will last for two days
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 04:54 PM I suppose chad is hoping that peace with Sudan will help their economy.
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 04:54 PM Have a look at their economic figures
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 04:56 PM $15.85 billion (2009 est.)
country comparison to the world: 132
$16.01 billion (2008 est.)
$16.04 billion (2007 est.)
note: data are in 2009 US dollars
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 04:56 PM :nuts:
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 05:11 PM our economic growth in the past 3 years is similar in size to their entire economy
mughtareb February 7th, 2010, 05:38 PM We'll benefit just as much as anyone. The fact of the matter is it's very difficult to develop and be secure with enemies for neighbours. Having allies on every point of the compass is the best position to be in.
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 09:30 PM We'll benefit just as much as anyone. The fact of the matter is it's very difficult to develop and be secure with enemies for neighbours. Having allies on every point of the compass is the best position to be in.
it was not Sudan who started this aggression, but never the less we need to have peace with our neighbours
kitayabi February 7th, 2010, 09:59 PM regardless of how annoying they may be:mad::gaah:
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 01:44 AM http://www.sudanvisiondaily.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=53818
da Vinci February 8th, 2010, 05:32 AM regardless of how annoying they may be:mad::gaah:
with such neighbours it's a real challenge to keep good relationships as they don't own their decisions! US is lucky to have only 2 (and still it had a war with one of them!). poor Sudan with the 9 neighbours :ohno:
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 05:46 AM with such neighbours it's a real challenge to keep good relationships as they don't own their decisions! US is lucky to have only 2 (and still it had a war with one of them!). poor Sudan with the 9 neighbours :ohno:
I think the only country that has 9 bordering nations is Russia
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 05:47 AM But atleast they have nukes to make sure no one steps out of line:lol:
da Vinci February 8th, 2010, 10:09 AM and yet get into a let of troubles with NATO, gas and all other stuff! may be we should move Sudan to the Pacific Ocean near Pitcarin Islands :)
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 11:41 AM and yet get into a let of troubles with NATO, gas and all other stuff! may be we should move Sudan to the Pacific Ocean near Pitcarin Islands :)
Sudans neigbours for decades have attempted to feed of Sudan like some sort of wounded animal. From the vultures of Eritrea to the hyennas of Uganda.
After the rivival of the Sudanese economy and inturn its army suddenoly countries like Ethiopia and Kenya didn't want to pick a fight with Sudan any more.
Piticasirn islands a population of just 50 pensioners, I have agreed with my brother that one day we will invade it. However s9nce it is under the protection of Australia we will agree not to attack Australia if they agree not to attack the Islamic republic of piticairn:D
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 11:43 AM at least when the south goes we no longer will have to share a bordser with Uganda or Kenya. The Congo I will be sader to loose as they are one of our neighbours who have not attemopted to meadle in our buisness
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 11:45 AM Chad President Deby in Sudan talks on Darfur
President Deby's visit comes after a recent security deal
Chad President Idriss Deby has visited Sudan for the first time since 2004 for talks on the troubled Darfur region.
The two countries have been fighting a proxy war for several years along their common border around Darfur.
The BBC's James Copnall in Khartoum says the visit is a surprise and has caught Sudanese officials off-guard.
Sudan says Chad backs Darfur rebel groups, while Khartoum is accused of supporting armed militias who are active in eastern Chad.
Analysts say the rebels function as an extra line of defence for each country, but add that this poisonous mixture has considerably worsened the dramatic humanitarian problems in both areas.
Mr Deby's visit comes after some signs of a thaw in the relationship.
Last month the two countries signed an agreement aimed at boosting security on the border.
Joint forces will be under Sudanese control for the first six months, according to the Sudanese state press agency, and will work to improve regional stability.
Unlike many previous treaties which proclaimed good intentions but offered little in practice, our correspondent says this one outlined several concrete steps.
Mr Deby's visit to Khartoum could put the finishing touches to this plan, he says.
Mistrust between Khartoum and N'Djamena is still high, but neither country will be stable until the two make a real peace, our correspondent adds.
kitayabi February 8th, 2010, 11:46 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8503720.stm
mughtareb February 8th, 2010, 10:19 PM kitayabi, try not to have too much contempt for our neighbours. Remember that relationships between governments are liable to change with a change in administration. Bad decisions or policies by one government may be overturned by another. Kenyans and Ugandans are good people. At least the friends I have from those countries are decent and kind. I even made an Eritrean friend recently and she's terrific. Try not to ostracize a whole nation and its people for something as transient as political tension (even if it does last decades).
badro96 February 9th, 2010, 02:07 AM To be honest, Kenyans, Ugandans and Ethiopians, who are arguably the most powerful nations in IGAD are the ones who hosted the negotiations between the Government of Sudan and the SPLM/A, so ideally, we owe them a great deal. In the end, the Kenyan towns of Machakos and Naivasha will always resonate in the history of modern Sudan. On the other turn, the DRC have not played any significant role in bringing peace to the Sudan, mainly because they were struggling more than us, whilst countries like Kenya, Ethiopia and Uganda are relatively more stable than the DRC and Sudan, despite the LRA's activity in the latter and the constant scuffles between Eritrea and Ethiopia.
However, we cannot deny that those who really helped to define Sudan and helped in liberating it are the Egyptians. Despite there absence in the last two decades, or in other words, since Al-Turabi's failed attempt to assassinate Mubarak, Sudan and Egypt have historical ties that cannot be ignored.
We may hate them as people, but this still doesn't change the facts that Egypt and Sudan were always connected in one way or another. starting from as far as the Kush civilisation in Sudan, and how it conquered Egypt, how Egypt retaliated, then going through the era of Ottoman Empire, passing by the British invasion to Sudan, the role the two countries played during World War I and II, until the revolution of Saad Zaghloul in Egypt and the White Flag in Sudan lead by Ali Abdel Latif Almaz, to the independence of Sudan from the United Kingdom, aided by Abdel Nasser! Moreover, the presence of Sufi culture, Nubians, Christian Armenians (Gibata), and significant influence to Arabian culture are things that the two countries also share. To be honest, the list can go on forever...
As for the rest of African nations, there involvement in Sudan is almost non-existent compared to Egypt's.
We may feel that Egyptians look down at Sudanese, and some of us may be carrying a lot of enviousness and hatred towards them because they are better than us in almost everything. But I think we are committing a huge mistake when we compare ourselves to them. In the end, Egypt as a land, is mentioned in the Qura'an, and when cities like Cairo and Alexandria were established, Khartoum and Sudan as a whole were no-existent in the map! So I think we should not fall in the trap of making that comparison, especially in terms of development, because it just doesn't make sense!
kitayabi February 9th, 2010, 02:28 AM kitayabi, try not to have too much contempt for our neighbours. Remember that relationships between governments are liable to change with a change in administration. Bad decisions or policies by one government may be overturned by another. Kenyans and Ugandans are good people. At least the friends I have from those countries are decent and kind. I even made an Eritrean friend recently and she's terrific. Try not to ostracize a whole nation and its people for something as transient as political tension (even if it does last decades).
I have an American friend it doesn't mean our countries are buddies as well. Regardless of whether they are good people or not they have played a detrimental and difficult role in Sudan's history.
mughtareb February 9th, 2010, 07:31 PM My point was that you can't generalize to an entire nation and its people based on political tension.
kitayabi February 9th, 2010, 07:36 PM My point was that you can't generalize to an entire nation and its people based on political tension.
your right, but when I say chad I am really speaking about the Government of Chad.
kitayabi February 9th, 2010, 07:43 PM http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE6180D020100209?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
kitayabi February 9th, 2010, 08:04 PM update^^
kitayabi February 10th, 2010, 04:06 AM http://i46.tinypic.com/2bbnrq.jpg
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