THE 905
The 905: Invasion flies under snobby radar
February 5, 2010

Kim Izzo
SPECIAL TO THE STAR


One of the most enduring suburban myths is that you can't live in the 'burbs and be stylish. The adjective stylish just can't be juxtaposed with the noun suburban, especially one bearing the area code of the uncool: 905.

It seems our 416 counterparts don't take us seriously as men and women of taste. Many times, I have listened as slick urbanites roll their eyes and say they would never go to a Super Chic Downtown Restaurant on the weekend because it's too full of 905ers.

In other words, they go to great lengths to avoid us, even denying themselves the latest celebrity chef canapé.

As we know, Torontonians like to compare themselves to Manhattanites and have anointed the populace of the 905 as Toronto's version of Manhattan's "bridge-and-tunnel crowd."

The 905 is a land where women have big hair and fake tans and speak loudly while cracking gum. The men, well, they're just goons in souped-up cars. Why would any sophisticated person south of Bloor St. rub elbows with such unfashionable people? And certainly not on a Friday or Saturday night.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there's little point for downtown elitists to avoid trendy restaurants and bars only on weekends. Many 905ers work downtown and we get out during the week, too. That's right, we silently infiltrate the same so-hip-it-hurts hot spots on a Tuesday or Wednesday.

Like those neatly groomed Canadian newscasters on U.S. television with no discernable accent, you can't tell us from your own. Most 416ers probably don't know that the well-dressed couple at the next table at Cinq 01 actually live in a place like Richmond Hill or – dare I say it? – Mississauga.

All of this isn't to say that living life in the 905 doesn't come without complications. For one thing, you have to learn to pack.

When I have a cocktail affair or some other formal event after work, I have to bring the after-five outfit with me and apply evening makeup and change into my cocktail dress in my office. Living in the 905 can also throw a damper on spontaneous invites such as an impromptu night with my boyfriend (who lives downtown). My so-called walk of shame in the early morning hours now involves standing on Bloor St. waiting for shops to open so I can buy something new to wear, not wanting to show up to the office in my day-before outfit. Needless to say, my wardrobe benefits from this dilemma.

Still, the planning can be tedious. Remembering makeup and makeup remover, deciding what to wear that day, that evening and the morning after is sometimes just too much. Mistakes can happen.

On a recent occasion, I had worn a lightweight suit jacket to work when I was invited out for dinner unexpectedly. Out I went but it was one of those bitterly cold nights and there was only one coat in my car. It was a thick, square-shaped, beige-fleece, zip-up jacket. Despite all appearances to the contrary (see above), nothing screams 905 more than polar fleece in a downtown neighbourhood on a Friday night. But my need for warmth won out and I walked into the restaurant.

I expected people to stare or snicker. Instead, I was shown to a small wooden table, sans tablecloth, and waited. When my friend arrived, I found myself apologizing for the jacket, which I was still wearing as the restaurant, while super cool, was also super cold. My friend shrugged off my concerns. But I felt self-conscious.

I was about to remove the offending garment, fully prepared to freeze in the name of fashion, when the waitress brought us water and – perhaps owing to her shock at the fleece – she spilled much of it on our table. But there was nothing to wipe it up. She ran off in search of napkins or a towel.

That's where I came in. I realized I had on a jacket made from highly absorbent fabric. I swept my fleece-wearing arm across the table and mopped up the liquid.

"I'm wearing a giant table napkin," I said and we burst out laughing. Then I relaxed. No one had given my fleece a second look. See, we 905ers really are undetectable.

Kim Izzo is detailing her move from urban to suburban life. izzo905@gmail.com

http://www.yourhome.ca/homes/realestate/article/759529--the-905-invasion-flies-under-snobby-radar

Well considering there are 3.5 million of 'em, there will inevitable be at least a few interesting 905ers (I actually know a few myself!)

However, as a whole, they're still very...lame, compared to us city folk. And no, I don't say this jokingly or as some sort of taught response. Chances are, someone who chooses to live suburbia is just going to have a very different mentality than someone who chooses to live in the city.

Last time I heard, everyone north of Bloor was actually some sort of slowing oozing gelatinous semi-liquid subhuman. They might as well belong in the cast of Jersey Shore.

"Kim Izzo is detailing her move from urban to suburban life"



Kim sounds like she has a few issues to work out.

Well with all the locations of Urban Outfitters and Urban Behaviour up there, it's only natural that they become more "chic".

I don't think the author gets it: the snobbiness has nothing to do with what 905ers wear (well...) and has everything to do with it being insane to live in a little box in the middle of a car dependant community. And look at all the effort required to participate in city life. For those of us in the city, consuming culture is easy, like going to the kitchen to get a drink of water. From them, first you must traverse the desert before getting to the river.

I'm not feeling any sadness that we lost Kim to the other team........ she sounds like a bit of a drip to be honest.

I'm not a big fan of the suburbs and would loathe to live in them but yesterday I saw the most amazing modernist home that might make me change my mind.

Ya you people just need to relax I love living in the suburbs (Woodbridge)

I drive a Porsche Cayenne Turbo so I don't mind driving somewhere to get something or party

I have a huge house with a big lot and a pool, how many people who live in the city can say that? Ya I thought so.
And if I wanted to go downtown I drive there in 30 minutes or less depending on traffic..OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!

Like In The Beach said, I have to "traverse the desert before getting to the river"
Ma Please give me a break

^^???? You told us once that you stocked shelves at a supermarket. You must be really good at stretching a dollar! :yes:

I live downtown and can barely afford one measly 1947 Silver Wraith Rolls, and am crammed into a tiny four bedroom pied-a-terre penthouse suite. :(

^^???? You told us once that you stocked shelves at a supermarket. You must be really good at stretching a dollar! :yes:

I live downtown and can barely afford one measly 1947 Silver Wraith Rolls, and am crammed into a tiny four bedroom pied-a-terre penthouse suite. :(

I personally used to work at Longo's not stocking shelves I actually was the front end supervisor (cashiers and buggy boys)
I only did it cause a lot of my friends worked there and I just chose too

My dad works for TD bank financial group (very high up in the company) and my mom is a very successful broker

So before you make assumptions shut your mouth

By the way I'm 18 so I think that a Cayenne Turbo is a pretty sick first car

agreed! sick! :)

Making fun of suburbanites aside, downtown is simply too expensive for the vast majority of people who don't want to live in old, dank places to lives in. You have to be making a significant amount of money to be able to live anywhere semi-nice downtown, or basically sacrifice all of your spending for your mortgage/rent.

If you could still benefit from a lot of the 'goodness' of downtown by living 30 mins away and actually live a lot nicer by doing so, why not?

If I were ever to live in "suburbs", it will be lush and peaceful, far away from the rat race:

http://www.sylvierealestate.com/image0015_1.jpg

Ya you people just need to relax I love living in the suburbs (Woodbridge)

I drive a Porsche Cayenne Turbo so I don't mind driving somewhere to get something or party

I have a huge house with a big lot and a pool, how many people who live in the city can say that? Ya I thought so.
And if I wanted to go downtown I drive there in 30 minutes or less depending on traffic..OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!

And this right here is a perfect case in point of the difference in mentality between urbanites and suburbanites Beach and I were alluding to (as well as being a perfect example of the stereotypical tacky suburbanite the article was referring to). People in the city simply don't want large lots, swimming pools, and Porches...thats why they live in the city, and why people who want that shit live in the 'burbs.


Making fun of suburbanites aside, downtown is simply too expensive for the vast majority of people who don't want to live in old, dank places to lives in. You have to be making a significant amount of money to be able to live anywhere semi-nice downtown, or basically sacrifice all of your spending for your mortgage/rent.

Downtown and the 905 aren't the only places in the GTA...

And this right here is a perfect case in point of the difference in mentality between urbanites and suburbanites Beach and I were alluding to (as well as being a perfect example of the stereotypical tacky suburbanite the article was referring to). People in the city simply don't want large lots, swimming pools, and Porches...thats why they live in the city, and why people who want that shit live in the 'burbs.




Downtown and the 905 aren't the only places in the GTA...

Ok so you're saying people who want swimming pools, large lots, and Porches are some alien creatures from outer space? Like who wants all those stupid things right?

Us 905ers can easily make the same assumptions about you so called "prestigious" and "cultured" urbanites

Downtown and the 905 aren't the only places in the GTA...

Obviously not, but the attitude of you and InTheBeach is anti-suburb which basically means anything not directly downtown as opposed to the 905/416 divide. I don't see how Port Union and Kingston Rd is less car dependent than Yonge and just north of Steeles, and in fact is moreso.

Surprisingly, there's vast areas of the 905 in which it's much faster and easier to get downtown than huge swaths of the 416.

Obviously not, but the attitude of you and InTheBeach is anti-suburb which basically means anything not directly downtown as opposed to the 905/416 divide.

What, everything outside of downtown is a suburb? :sly:

I don't see how Port Union and Kingston Rd is less car dependent than Yonge and just north of Steeles, and in fact is moreso.

Yonge & Steeles is an anomaly for the 905...and only because its right beside Toronto, and thus, the TTC. For the vast majority of the rest of the 905, there simply isn't that level of transit service. Likewise for Kingston & Port Union being an anomaly for the 416 - most Torontonians don't live in an area so suburban & far-flung.


Ok so you're saying people who want swimming pools, large lots, and Porches are some alien creatures from outer space?

Where did anyone say anything about alien creatures from outer space? :lol:

Like who wants all those stupid things right?

Suburbanites. Its why they choose to live there and not in the city. And urbanites live in the city because...they have no interest in these things! Its a pretty simple concept...

agreed! sick! :)

:) Don't worry. All those cars in general become meaningless when it comes to ultra rich people.

Maybe he may think his German SUV is something unique. Wait when that Russian dude/owner of FC Chelsea brings around his private B767-300ER. It would cost you 100K USD to fuel up that bad boy, some cash aside for a pilot as well.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3356/3513729542_ec6f93e15f.jpg

A special custom windshield paint job, so they could name the jet, "Bandit".

If I were ever to live in "suburbs", it will be lush and peaceful, far away from the rat race:

http://www.sylvierealestate.com/image0015_1.jpg

Heard that term a few times, but what does it really mean?

"Rat race" refers to the daily rush of life/business, etc....

What a pointless article.

It did kind of remind me of those angry Letters-to-the-Editor that the Globe is always publishing from some angry farmer in Cucumber Corners who is forever on the boil and vigilant against perceived "Torontocentric" journalism, and winds up saying things like:"you people in the Centre of the Universe think you are so smart"... (which always makes me crack up laughing! :lol:)

i live in the 905 and love it. for me i would like to hope i can have fun where ever im living.

there are major differences in the way urbanites and suburbanites view the world...

URBANITE:
Old House - "this place has tons of charm and character"
New House - "this place is sterile and boring. The new paint is probably off-gassing cancerous VOC's"

Car - "this thing is an environment wrecking, obesity inducing, pedestrian killing machine"
Walking - "if it's a half hour walk or less i'm not taking the TTC"

Disposable Income - "i want to spend it on trips, events and more events!"

SUBURBANITE:
Old House - "this place is dirty and run down"
New House - "this place is nice and clean. No gross people have lived here before me"

Car - "this thing is my pride and joy. It defines me as a person and I love it with all my heart"
Walking - "if it's more than a 5 minute walk i'll drive or i won't go"

Disposable Income - "i want to spend it on stuff, stuff, and more stuff!"

I personally used to work at Longo's not stocking shelves I actually was the front end supervisor (cashiers and buggy boys)
I only did it cause a lot of my friends worked there and I just chose too

My dad works for TD bank financial group (very high up in the company) and my mom is a very successful broker

So before you make assumptions shut your mouth

By the way I'm 18 so I think that a Cayenne Turbo is a pretty sick first car

I couldn't dream up a post like this to stereotype the average 905er, and you went and gift wrapped it.

How much cheese did you eat at Longo's?

BTW, I can walk to 60 bars and restaurants, two libraries, two streetcar lines, the subway, five grocery stores, my dentist, the gym, two rec centres, my massage therapist, the lake, the bluffs, the Jazz Festival, Victoria Day and Canada Day fireworks, beach volleyball, kite surfing, blah, blah, blah.... Now that is sick.

And I've got a pretty good ride too, for when I feel like slumming it with the mamma's boys in Woodbridge (joking, we have an a to b car, cause that's all we need).

InTheBeach is anti-suburb

Guilty as charged!

Ya you people just need to relax I love living in the suburbs (Woodbridge)

I drive a Porsche Cayenne Turbo so I don't mind driving somewhere to get something or party

I have a huge house with a big lot and a pool, how many people who live in the city can say that? Ya I thought so.
And if I wanted to go downtown I drive there in 30 minutes or less depending on traffic..OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!

Like In The Beach said, I have to "traverse the desert before getting to the river"
Ma Please give me a break

This is exactly what the suburban resident does. Defines himself with his possessions rather than his character.

I lived many years in just such a suburb, I know these creatures well.

^^My gawd, this 416/905 divide is so intense. Which is strange considering that downtown is becoming more and more suburban, while suburbs are increasingly urban.

If I were ever to live in "suburbs", it will be lush and peaceful, far away from the rat race:

http://www.sylvierealestate.com/image0015_1.jpg
Heard that term a few times, but what does it really mean?

In this context, not only have you kept up with the Joneses with your identical plastic brick box with a double garage in the sticks, you've already won hands-down and have moved on to greener pastures.

Of course, I view all Canadians as suburbanites--Canada is really just a suburb of the USA!

TB and dleug, thank you.

I hate to say it but cruise the entertainment district on a Saturday night and you've got yourself a pretty good stereotype of 905ers.

http://imgur.com/GJQGM.jpg

people are silly...

I couldn't dream up a post like this to stereotype the average 905er, and you went and gift wrapped it.

How much cheese did you eat at Longo's?

BTW, I can walk to 60 bars and restaurants, two libraries, two streetcar lines, the subway, five grocery stores, my dentist, the gym, two rec centres, my massage therapist, the lake, the bluffs, the Jazz Festival, Victoria Day and Canada Day fireworks, beach volleyball, kite surfing, blah, blah, blah.... Now that is sick.

And I've got a pretty good ride too, for when I feel like slumming it with the mamma's boys in Woodbridge (joking, we have an a to b car, cause that's all we need).

Ask me if I care that you can walk to those places? That's great cuz I'll drive there in my nice car and in the winter your gonna have to freeze your sorry ass off getting to those places

Good luck with that I'm happy with my Porsche thank you very much

^Ha. Bragging about driving around in the 2nd ugliest Porsche (really just a Volkswagen) ever made isn't very nice. (The ugliest? That hideous bloated Panamera thing.)

Of course many Torontonians get around by car. Drive down any residential street to see all the cars....

^Ha. Bragging about driving around in the 2nd ugliest Porsche (really just a Volkswagen) ever made isn't very nice. (The ugliest? That hideous bloated Panamera thing.)

Of course many Torontonians get around by car. Drive down any residential street to see all the cars....

You think a Porsche Cayenne Turbo is hideous? I really think you need your eyes checked and maybe a fMRI to see what's going on in your brain

Inferiority complex much?

people are silly...

THANK YOU!.

Not that Ale26 makes suburbanites look good, but you guys have a severely distorted idea of what most suburbanites are.

It's like if I said everyone who lives in the city is a homeless drug addict.

What is even considered "city" anymore? Is south Etobicoke a suburb? Is Hamilton a suburb? Is East York a suburb? It seems like suburbanites make 90% of the GTA population.

Ask me if I care that you can walk to those places? That's great cuz I'll drive there in my nice car and in the winter your gonna have to freeze your sorry ass off getting to those places

Good luck with that I'm happy with my Porsche thank you very much

No issues with walking in the cold. I just put my long johns on.

There is no point in driving to the local amenities. They are too close. It would take me longer to find a parking spot!

Good to know that you enjoy your parent's largess. I'm enjoying my appreciating assets too.

No issues with walking in the cold. I just put my long johns on.

There is no point in driving to the local amenities. They are too close. It would take me longer to find a parking spot!

Good to know that you enjoy your parent's largess. I'm enjoying my appreciating assets too.

I am like that too, I love to talk. Most of my friends that can not leave their cars, they have obesity issues. That's how it is. Let alone dating scene issues as well. What kind of women would date a guy with obesity issues?... Those kind of guys are only there to foot the bill. :)

Not that Ale26 makes suburbanites look good, but you guys have a severely distorted idea of what most suburbanites are.

It's like if I said everyone who lives in the city is a homeless drug addict.

But stereotypes are fun, and ale26 is a walking, talking stereotype of a Woodbridge teenager. Except without the walking part.

Here is a stereotype:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/dawnd_01/WINTER%202008/Winter%20Part%20Two%202009/Late%20Summer%20Early%20Fall%202009/ginomix.jpg

Taller, that pic is GOLD!!!

That's funny because I'm not obese Im quite fit and I have a girlfriend

And that picture is ridiculous no one in woodbridge actually looks like that

And you say I'm perpetuating stereotypes

How about this website for stereotypes?

http://www.luxyclub.ca/gallery.php#/content/02-February-10/02-06-10%20-%20Saturday/Luxyphoto_%28sat.feb.06%29-21.JPG/

How about this website for stereotypes?

http://www.luxyclub.ca/gallery.php#/content/02-February-10/02-06-10%20-%20Saturday/Luxyphoto_%28sat.feb.06%29-21.JPG/

sooooo... they let hookers work inside the club?

OMG Luxy looks frightening!

i roll my eyes as this debate is like, so 2002.

But I have experienced the pain of getting mocked of where I live. I work with a bunch of downtowners and they make fun of me because i live at Yonge/Eglinton. I silently cry about it in the washroom :nuts:

They might as well belong in the cast of Jersey Shore.
When I eventually move downtown, I'll be fist pumping like a champ!

That's funny because I'm not obese Im quite fit and I have a girlfriend

And that picture is ridiculous no one in woodbridge actually looks like that

And you say I'm perpetuating stereotypes


I think you are trying way too hard. No disrespect. Imho I could only live in Woodbridge if I could take three month vacation to some exotic island.......

I had a few chicks from up there... I found it just too tacky. The locals are just too nosy up there. They stick their noses in everything. Since there are people up there like you with flashy cars, others try to copy you. Once that happens, the ones that start to duplicate you ,they end up living their lives above their financial limits.
Here is an example: How many times I have met Italian from Woodbridge that claims he is more Italian than Canadian. The funny part is that most of them have nice toys as you, but a very few bother to go on a visit to their old country..... I would feel very selfish to be in their position.... Even the women are not that nice. 5 out of 10 times , there is no love at all. It's a scenerio where a teenage 905 chick is whoring her self to you for some metrialistic relationship. I know you will not admit any of these classic examples, so I won't waste my time with you.


Than again, If I had never been up there, I think I probably would buy your Woodbridge propaganda.

:):cheers:

Who are you to just make assumptions about everyone? It really makes me fkn nervous when ignorant people like you meet "a few chicks" up there and they represent all 70 or 75 thousand people who live in Woodbridge?

Get over yourself really I know your just jealous

And btw I really don't care if you believe me or not but my family and I go back to Italy (Pescara, Abbruzzo) every summer because we have an apartment there so fuck you

Woodbridge ain't too bad...


where in toronto can you hang out in a coffee time parking lot with 30 other kids and their parents cars.

the nightly ritual

Woodbridge ain't too bad...


where in toronto can you hang out in a coffee time parking lot with 30 other kids and their parents cars.

ROFL. My frd from Thornhill dreads going back home on a co-op term because there is absolutely nothing to do, unless he drives 30-45 minutes to downtown. Vancouver's eastern suburbs suffer from the same blanket of sterile nothingness. Pregnant teens yes, but no ginos, fortunately.

From my experience most suburbs are dull as ditchwater. Even if there are the odd Starbucks, Luxy's Nightclub and McDonald's thrown into the streetscape, there really isn't a lot to do. I feel more comfortable being downtown, no matter which city I am in (excluding Detroit).

I'm fed up with 905'er's late for work in the morning nearly running down people who walk to work downtown Toronto.


Time for Toll Roads for all 905er's. Don't want to pay Toronto property taxes? Pay Tolls.

905 .. Land of Sprawl.

hheheehehehehe

From my experience most suburbs are dull as ditchwater. Even if there are the odd Starbucks, Luxy's Nightclub and McDonald's thrown into the streetscape, there really isn't a lot to do. I feel more comfortable being downtown, no matter which city I am in (excluding Detroit).

Yeah but downtown got no big houses with some decent pools and what not. I heard even the Rosedale/FH/The Bridle Path crew would leave their houses in summer and come to take a bath at the Don River. :)
At least that's what the Woodbridge guy told me. :)

I think most new big houses in subdivisions are ghastly, personally. I don't get turned on by that weird chemical odour of new wall-to-wall carpeting, and the smell of freshly painted drywall. Give me a nice brick house in Cabbagetown anyday over a five bedroom sprawlfest with a basketball hoop on the garage door.

Yeah but downtown got no big houses with some decent pools and what not.

Yeah, thats why we like it. Hideous McMansions & their private pools don't really do alot for the general "excitement" of a city. :nuts:

God, I don't visit for a few days and look what I miss... This "416 vs 905" conflict continues to be one of the dumbest and most pointless debates in urban discussions.

First, it seems for the urban elitists that closer you are to the core, the more smug you can be. By this theory, the homeless people sleeping outside City Hall are above all you "suburbanites" all the way out by Church and Jarvis or your Harbourfront condos. If you have a problem with 905ers because of where they live, you have some serious issues.

Second, urban areas growing is not some new phenomenon that began in the 50s (or in retrospect with the new city limits, 70s). Even as recently as 100 years ago, areas like Forest Hill, The Junction, and Rosedale were suburban communities at the edge of the city - eating up farmland and forcing the city to build new infrastructure to accommodate these "distance commuters" rather than use resources to build infrastructure for the core itself.

Finally, while "416 vs 905" maybe a metaphor to describe "urban vs suburban," it makes a dumb discussion even dumber. For example, look at this image from Google Streetview...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=&daddr=&hl=en&geocode=&mra=mr&dirflg=w&sll=43.852959,-79.432933&sspn=0.008495,0.016158&ie=UTF8&ll=43.807256,-79.378214&spn=0,359.995961&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=43.807256,-79.378214&panoid=cSPwr9KxUOCDcvrMHoqE5g&cbp=12,244.61,,0,-5.88

Would you believe that this is Steeles Ave, the dividing road between 416/urban and 905/suburban? Would it even matter?

If you want an accurate way of discussing this, pre-war vs post-war makes far more sense. There is plenty of lower density post-war development within the 416, and likewise there are plenty of pre-war historic downtown villages with higher densities in the 905.

Am I the only one who finds it highly ironic that there's an article discussing the snobbyness of city people, when suburbanites are 10x more likely to be snobby?

I've met so many suburban people who "ewwwed" any store that wasn't high-end and/or corporate looking, made fun of any clothing or hairstyle that didn't look like it came out of Vanity Fair or GQ, was terrified for their life in any neighbourhood that looked that least bit lower-end or lived-in, and the list goes on and on. I'm not implying that there aren't city people who are like that, or that there aren't open-minded, intelligent suburbanites, but nine times out of ten, it's just a case of a suburban person trapped in the city (or vise-versa) who'll relocate as soon as it's expedient for them.

God, I don't visit for a few days and look what I miss... This "416 vs 905" conflict continues to be one of the dumbest and most pointless debates in urban discussions.

First, it seems for the urban elitists that closer you are to the core, the more smug you can be. By this theory, the homeless people sleeping outside City Hall are above all you "suburbanites" all the way out by Church and Jarvis or your Harbourfront condos. If you have a problem with 905ers because of where they live, you have some serious issues.

Second, urban areas growing is not some new phenomenon that began in the 50s (or in retrospect with the new city limits, 70s). Even as recently as 100 years ago, areas like Forest Hill, The Junction, and Rosedale were suburban communities at the edge of the city - eating up farmland and forcing the city to build new infrastructure to accommodate these "distance commuters" rather than use resources to build infrastructure for the core itself.

Finally, while "416 vs 905" maybe a metaphor to describe "urban vs suburban," it makes a dumb discussion even dumber. For example, look at this image from Google Streetview...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=&daddr=&hl=en&geocode=&mra=mr&dirflg=w&sll=43.852959,-79.432933&sspn=0.008495,0.016158&ie=UTF8&ll=43.807256,-79.378214&spn=0,359.995961&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=43.807256,-79.378214&panoid=cSPwr9KxUOCDcvrMHoqE5g&cbp=12,244.61,,0,-5.88

Would you believe that this is Steeles Ave, the dividing road between 416/urban and 905/suburban? Would it even matter?

If you want an accurate way of discussing this, pre-war vs post-war makes far more sense. There is plenty of lower density post-war development within the 416, and likewise there are plenty of pre-war historic downtown villages with higher densities in the 905.

Thank you! I wanted to comment but you conveyed my sentiment exactly.

Suburbanites also have lower IQ than city people as well. True fact.

Urban vs suburban = human vs subhuman

LOL! You be careful, or that Kim Dizzy-o, or whatever her name is, will write another dreary whinefest about how you think you are such a big smartie pants just cuz YOU live downtown and SHE doesn't!! :lol:

I'm fed up with 905'er's late for work in the morning nearly running down people who walk to work downtown Toronto.


Time for Toll Roads for all 905er's. Don't want to pay Toronto property taxes? Pay Tolls.

905 .. Land of Sprawl.

Funny. At the place I do deliveries from in Vaughan (Langstaff and Jane), there are people who drive up from East York and Scarborough. There are also people who live in Woodbridge and it is a short commute for them.

Speaking of which, have any of you actually ever BEEN to Woodbridge...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=woodbridge,+on&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.928982,76.640625&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Woodbridge,+Vaughan,+York+Regional+Municipality,+Ontario,+Canada&ll=43.784457,-79.594676&spn=0.00311,0.004678&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=43.784529,-79.594324&panoid=DNepNYXKrB8oQprNR2KE5g&cbp=12,36.46,,0,0.25

Suburbanites also have lower IQ than city people as well. True fact.

Urban vs suburban = human vs subhuman

Do you have any stats or research to back this up? If I was going to formulate a conclusion by your post alone (which is probably far more evidence than you could ever provide) I could determine that city folk are drooling retards!

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Yeah, thats why we like it. Hideous McMansions & their private pools don't really do alot for the general "excitement" of a city. :nuts:


Well , for the time being in Canada, I did learn that the children of European immigrants always like to brag about those materialistic things. None of my Canadian friends give a rats ass about cars, toys and what not. That's why I do not like Europeans in general.

I've always been intimidated by those who lived in downtown Toronto. I just don't feel cultured enough to live among them. :lol: Perhaps after some fist...bumping I'd change my mind.