Given that there is a lot of discussion and questions over proposed hotels in Sunderland (and the current chronic lack of them), I thought it would be appropriate to start a thread on the subject and post links to images and information regarding proposed hotel developments.

I have done a bit of fishing around and found some images of proposed developments:

Keeping Inn - High Street East - Approved August 2009

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5488/keepinginnhighstreeteas.jpg

Planning Application (http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=KJ65C7BB00Q00)

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Hampton by Hilton - John Street - Approved March 2009

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/289/hamptonbyhiltonjohnstre.jpg

Planning Application (http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=KC4AR7BB08800)

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Travelodge (Vision Developments) - High Street West - Approved February 2009

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2681/travelodgehighstreetwes.jpg

Planning Application (http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=KA6IMABB08800)

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It is worth noting that 2 hotels are proposed as part of the Vaux site masterplan (as of 2007), and that 3 areas of land on the Stadium Village site have been earmarked for hotel developments.

There's some good looking images of the proposed Hotels, ----I like them all, but especially the one of the Travelodge down High Street, ------I believe this is to be built where the old Liverpool House Building is, -----and next to it, --looks like the proposed Porterfield Plaza, --which is still mothballed, ---there are quite a few more Hotels proposed for Sunderland, --good post btw.:cheers:

Out of all the other proposals, ---there was one interesting Hotel proposed, ---from a Japanese chain, ---they want to build -- just off Toward Road opposite Mowbray Apartments in the Tavistock Place area, ----havent heard anymore on this one though.

Out of all the other proposals, ---there was one interesting Hotel proposed, ---from a Japanese chain, ---they want to build -- just off Toward Road opposite Mowbray Apartments in the Tavistock Place area, ----havent heard anymore on this one though.

Yes I vaguely remember this, and remember seeing some plans, but i can't find any record of it on the internet.

If I remember correctly, was it to be a boutique-type hotel?

Yes I vaguely remember this, and remember seeing some plans, but i can't find any record of it on the internet.

If I remember correctly, was it to be a boutique-type hotel?


Yes, I think your right, ---and I saw some plans too, and I think there was also an image printed, ----I'm also struggling to remember the name of the Hotel chain.

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I think the name of the Japanese Hotel chain is, --Ryokan Boutique Hotels, ---I've did a bit searching, --but I can't find the image of the proposed Hotel which was planned for Tavistock Place.

I remember reading about Japanese Hotel wanting to build in Sunderland, I can't remember it's name though, also, there was the Hotel proposed for the Jopling building, has anybody heard anymore about it?

I remember reading about Japanese Hotel wanting to build in Sunderland, I can't remember it's name though, also, there was the Hotel proposed for the Jopling building, has anybody heard anymore about it?


I don't know whats happening with the proposed Hilton Development at the Joplings Store, -----I can't remember if planning permission was granted.

I've just come back from Las Vegas where most hotels have around 4000 rooms, so these ones just look tiny to me. Nice designs though, especially the keeping inn (a name I've not come accross yet). Again, what I'd really like to see is a big new hotel at the south west end of the wear bridge, like a sunderland version of the gateshead hilton. It's a 'gateway' location to the city and would improve the area imensely.

I've just come back from Las Vegas where most hotels have around 4000 rooms, so these ones just look tiny to me. Nice designs though, especially the keeping inn (a name I've not come accross yet). Again, what I'd really like to see is a big new hotel at the south west end of the wear bridge, like a sunderland version of the gateshead hilton. It's a 'gateway' location to the city and would improve the area imensely.


Spot on, thats just what we need.

I've just come back from Las Vegas where most hotels have around 4000 rooms, so these ones just look tiny to me. Nice designs though, especially the keeping inn (a name I've not come accross yet). Again, what I'd really like to see is a big new hotel at the south west end of the wear bridge, like a sunderland version of the gateshead hilton. It's a 'gateway' location to the city and would improve the area imensely.


I believe there are two proposals for Hotels on the Vaux site, ----don't know how close to the Bridge they would be, ----but the area you pointed too, --would be a good site for one.

I believe there are two proposals for Hotels on the Vaux site, ----don't know how close to the Bridge they would be, ----but the area you pointed too, --would be a good site for one.

Yes the main location earmarked for a hotel is the most north easterly part of the Vaux site, slightly north west of St. Mary's car park and south west of the bridge. According to the Vaux masterplan, it would be up to 15 storeys high.

The Vaux site, in my opinion, will transform Sunderland's townscape into a cityscape and really provide a wow factor for the riverside. The tallest building on the Vaux site will be 25 storeys, between Galley's Gill and the new pedestrian footbridge.

Yes the main location earmarked for a hotel is the most north easterly part of the Vaux site, slightly north west of St. Mary's car park and south west of the bridge. According to the Vaux masterplan, it would be up to 15 storeys high.

The Vaux site, in my opinion, will transform Sunderland's townscape into a cityscape and really provide a wow factor for the riverside. The tallest building on the Vaux site will be 25 storeys, between Galley's Gill and the new pedestrian footbridge.



I totally agree, --if most of the proposed Buildings on the master plan are built, ---then your right, --it will have the wow factor, ---and I'm pleased one of the Hotels will be just West of the Bridge, :cheers:

Yes the main location earmarked for a hotel is the most north easterly part of the Vaux site, slightly north west of St. Mary's car park and south west of the bridge. According to the Vaux masterplan, it would be up to 15 storeys high.

The Vaux site, in my opinion, will transform Sunderland's townscape into a cityscape and really provide a wow factor for the riverside. The tallest building on the Vaux site will be 25 storeys, between Galley's Gill and the new pedestrian footbridge.


A 15 storey Hotel in that area would be great, and as you have said, this along with all the other buildings will transform Vaux into a great Cityscape.

But those buildings were featured on the old piers gough masterplan, which has disapeared. As far as I know, there's aren't any actual designs or even conceptual models for the vaux site anymore.

But those buildings were featured on the old piers gough masterplan, which has disapeared. As far as I know, there's aren't any actual designs or even conceptual models for the vaux site anymore.

The Piers Gough Masterplan formed the basis for the current consolidated masterplan (granted planning permission in 2007). Basically, the current masterplan outlines the building heights, massing, layout, uses and road network. The Piers Gough stuff was a very conceptual version of what we have today, which is a technical document as such.

Full masterplan document available here (http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.PDF?DocNo=390&PageNo=1&content=obj.PDF)

The Piers Gough Masterplan formed the basis for the current consolidated masterplan (granted planning permission in 2007). Basically, the current masterplan outlines the building heights, massing, layout, uses and road network. The Piers Gough stuff was a very conceptual version of what we have today, which is a technical document as such.

Full masterplan document available here (http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.PDF?DocNo=390&PageNo=1&content=obj.PDF)


So do you think that whoever the Developers are, ---- there might not be a great deal of change with regards to height of Buildings and lay out?

Well if there are differences between that outline application and Piers Gough's plan they are imperceptable. The layout and cross section of the buildings along with the heights is the same. Annoyingly they use AOD heights rather than true elevation, so if the vaux site is 30m AOD then the elevation of 'block D' would be about 90m and the others up to 57m tall. Building G (the hotel) is also listed at 87.5m AOD so premsumabley 50-60 tall.

They state the hotel would be 4 star 'and budget possibilities' with up to 225 rooms, which I understand to be split between Block G and one of the buildings near the end of High Street West.

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Lets hope there is a Developer announced this year, -----and see what plans they envisage for the site, ---really hope theres some movement on Vaux this year like.

Still no news regarding the --Hilton, --and the proposed Hotel in High Street West, ---I believe they were given the go-ahead last year, ---there are other proposed Hotels, --theres the one at Rainton gate, ---and there is one which was planned for St Peters / Bonnasfield, --which I think were also given planning permission, ---still waiting to hear more about them.

The apartments @ Liverpool house may never be built, this due to the council refusing them permission to allow one extra floor, yes one!

The hotel on Low Street may never be built.

I know the lads involved with both projects and they've both be shelved for the foreseeable future and no doubt Sunderland City Council will make them both jump through hoops at the end of the 3 years.

The apartments @ Liverpool house may never be built, this due to the council refusing them permission to allow one extra floor, yes one!

The hotel on Low Street may never be built.

I know the lads involved with both projects and they've both be shelved for the foreseeable future and no doubt Sunderland City Council will make them both jump through hoops at the end of the 3 years.


Not very good news mate, ---makes you wonder what the hell is going on.:ohno:---thanks for the info though.

The apartments @ Liverpool house may never be built, this due to the council refusing them permission to allow one extra floor, yes one!

The hotel on Low Street may never be built.

I know the lads involved with both projects and they've both be shelved for the foreseeable future and no doubt Sunderland City Council will make them both jump through hoops at the end of the 3 years.

I think that there was about ten Hotels proposed last year for Sunderland,and none got started, so now it looks like at this rate there wont be any Hotels getting built in the near future.:ohno:

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Aye, ---know what you mean, ---but lets hope there might be one or two that start later this year, --I know it seems unlikely at the moment like, --but fingers crossed.

Joplings are having a top floor closing down sale does this mean the hotel now has the green light !

Joplings are having a top floor closing down sale does this mean the hotel now has the green light !


I havent read or heard anything about this marra, ----but it will be good news if there is some movement on this Development.

I notice that this proposal here . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=55996325&postcount=87

ALSO includes a proposed 120 bed HOTEL.

I notice that this proposal here . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=55996325&postcount=87

ALSO includes a proposed 120 bed HOTEL.


Yeah, ---posted about this on the other thread, ---I'm for this Development, but not everyone is as keen.

As the Joplings department store is up for sale, it looks like the proposed hilton hotel might not happen, I wonder how many more of the planned hotels will go the same journey?:ohno:

As the Joplings department store is up for sale, it looks like the proposed hilton hotel might not happen, I wonder how many more of the planned hotels will go the same journey?:ohno:

Yeah it doesn't look to good for Joplings and the proposed Hotel, ---as for the others, --well at least half of the proposals received planning permission a year ago, --and still nothing has happend, ---doesn't look very promising like.

Yeah it doesn't look to good for Joplings and the proposed Hotel, ---as for the others, --well at least half of the proposals received planning permission a year ago, --and still nothing has happend, ---doesn't look very promising like.

I don't actually think this will affect the hotel development as much as people think. The building still remains, and if the building owners (not sure who they are) can secure one or more new tenants, then the hotel should still happen.

Another scenario is that the whole building is developed as a hotel, will have to wait and see.

Such a shame that Sunderland is losing such an institution in Joplings.

I don't actually think this will affect the hotel development as much as people think. The building still remains, and if the building owners (not sure who they are) can secure one or more new tenants, then the hotel should still happen.

Another scenario is that the whole building is developed as a hotel, will have to wait and see.

Such a shame that Sunderland is losing such an institution in Joplings.


Yes it will be a shame if Joplings goes, ---but if so, --then as you said it is hoped that another tenant can be found quickly, ----or, for the whole building to be converted into a Hotel, ---and lets hope the building is not demolished.

What ever happened about Sunderland Universities plans for a hotel ?

What ever happened about Sunderland Universities plans for a hotel ?

Don't know marra, ---maybe with the cut backs, they might have mothballed this Development, --but lets hope that it's still in the plans.

here we go, offices & appartments

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=L5T7JBBB06B00



No Hotel on that one, ----but wonder if we will see this one, --which was proposed for High Street, ---would like to think so, --the City needs more Hotels. cheers.



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/highsthotel.jpg

No Hotel on that one, ----but wonder if we will see this one, --which was proposed for High Street, ---would like to think so, --the City needs more Hotels. cheers.



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/highsthotel.jpg


That image looks good mate, I like the look of it, and it would be great if it was built, and like you say, we need more hotels in Sunderland.

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I don't know what is happening with this proposal, ----whether it's been scrapped, or, --mothballed, --but yes I would like to see it built, --along with all the other proposed Developments, --but I won't hold my breath.

I have heard a few people ---saying that SAFC is to build a Hotel near the Stadium, ----I know a Hotel has been on the cards for a few years now, ---but I havent read anything about this, ---anyone heard anything.?

I seem to remember that the plan was to include a hotel in the stadium at some point as part of the expansion. But it would seem unlikely that the ground capacity will be increased any time soon as it isn't needed.

However a hotel in that area would work if the stadium village masterplan takes shape. Build the ski slope and some high quality office accommodation for small businesses, replacing the tired industrial units, and a hotel would work. Although I'd expect a budget offerring like a Premier Inn.

If I remember correctly the original plans (outline) for the SoL showed a hotel in the South West corner of the stadium site, facing the river, seemed to be a relatively small footprint suggesting a number floors.

The latest speculation (rumour) indicates that a hotel could now be built to the East of the stadium adjacent to the road and that additional land would be required, Albion Cars site was mentioned. It would be interesting to know if the club is the main mover in trying to get a hotel built on land that they own.

It would seem unlikley that Premier Inn would look to build a further hotel in that area as they have 2 on Wessington Way already and though I take your point on board about a budget hotel I hope that a 4* hotel is being considered as the city needs higher quality hotel rooms.

My thoughts, for what they are worth, are that any hotel should be constructed adjacent to Monkwearmouth Bridge / St Peter's Metro to make a positive statement / gateway to the Stadium Park site from the city centre. This assumes that we will not get the footbridge linking to the Vaux site for a number of years.

If the plans for the ski centre come to fruition then the hotel would be ideally placed to service that and business travellers for the city centre.

I seem to remember that the plan was to include a hotel in the stadium at some point as part of the expansion. But it would seem unlikely that the ground capacity will be increased any time soon as it isn't needed.

However a hotel in that area would work if the stadium village masterplan takes shape. Build the ski slope and some high quality office accommodation for small businesses, replacing the tired industrial units, and a hotel would work. Although I'd expect a budget offerring like a Premier Inn.


Yeah I remember reading that SAFC had planning permission to build a five or six storey Hotel, but I think the original plan was for the Hotel to be built on the car park---and I believe this is still the case, ----- and as for the Stadium Village plans, ---yes, I agree, ---if the Snow Centre gets built, --and various other Developments goes ahead, ---then I think a Hotel should be a definite.

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I don't think the proposed plans for a Hotel next to the Stadium are reliant on the building of the Snow Centre, -------SAFC planned to build a Hotel long before a Snow Centre was thought of, --and have had permission to build for a number of years.

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I don't think the proposed plans for a Hotel next to the Stadium are reliant on the building of the Snow Centre, -------SAFC planned to build a Hotel long before a Snow Centre was thought of, --and have had permission to build for a number of years.

Yes, sorry my comments were only on the snow centre. As to the hotel I am sure you re right. As I once found out on a night out S-land does not seem to be over blessed with hotels

Yes, sorry my comments were only on the snow centre. As to the hotel I am sure you re right. As I once found out on a night out S-land does not seem to be over blessed with hotels


Your right about the Hotel situation, ----although there are many proposals for new Hotels (many with planning permission), ----we are still waiting for any them to kick off, --but the way the economy is at present, ---can't see a great amount of movement yet.

In general the land around the stadium, and to an extent the Vaux site, will be influenced by what happens with the England World Cup bid. If the bid is successful and Sunderland is confirmed as a venue then there will need to be large investment in the area around the stadium to support the event and meet the criteria of Fifa. While the SoL meets the standards as is, the rest of the area and Sunderland do not, especially when it comes to hotel rooms.

And this time we can't count Newcastle/Gateshead within the nearby hotel rooms because they will be included in the Newcastle/Gateshead quota.

In general the land around the stadium, and to an extent the Vaux site, will be influenced by what happens with the England World Cup bid. If the bid is successful and Sunderland is confirmed as a venue then there will need to be large investment in the area around the stadium to support the event and meet the criteria of Fifa. While the SoL meets the standards as is, the rest of the area and Sunderland do not, especially when it comes to hotel rooms.

And this time we can't count Newcastle/Gateshead within the nearby hotel rooms because they will be included in the Newcastle/Gateshead quota.

You make some fair points Jet, --and I have been thinking similarly, ----and as for Hotels, --been saying for a long time how the need in Sunderland for more is a must.

In general the land around the stadium, and to an extent the Vaux site, will be influenced by what happens with the England World Cup bid. If the bid is successful and Sunderland is confirmed as a venue then there will need to be large investment in the area around the stadium to support the event and meet the criteria of Fifa. While the SoL meets the standards as is, the rest of the area and Sunderland do not, especially when it comes to hotel rooms.

And this time we can't count Newcastle/Gateshead within the nearby hotel rooms because they will be included in the Newcastle/Gateshead quota.

Agreed.

Sunderland has seen a large number of proposals for hotels come forward in recent years, which means there is obviously a certain level of demand for them. However, the hotel industry has seen a decline which has led to these projects being shelved for the moment.

Sunderland has been hit hard by this given that the demand for hotels in the City Centre is not currently supported by office-based companies, as it is in most other big cities. We all know that the development of the Vaux site in particular would bring the required level of office development to provide a demand for hotels. However, the risk of developing hotels to then see no development on the Vaux site for another 10 years has proved too much for most hotel developers in the current climate.

However, the massive mark-ups that hotel operators would make from Sunderland hosting World Cup games alone will encourage developers to pull their fingers out and get moving, in my opinion. The proposed Justice Centre and Real Snow Ski Slope would sustain this demand to a certain extent after the World Cup.

Even if the demand for hotels in Sunderland tails off after the World Cup, I think most developers will see it as a risk worth taking, given the massive revenue potential of the World Cup on its own. I also think this would give hotel operators the breathing space to be able to wait for office development to come along and provide long term sustainable business for the hotel operators.

I suppose the general message is that hotel developers obviously see the potential of Sunderland in terms of creating future demand for rooms, but the risks are too great at the moment given the uncertainty over future developments. The World Cup would help to dampen that risk.

However, the massive mark-ups that hotel operators would make from Sunderland hosting World Cup games alone will encourage developers to pull their fingers out and get moving, in my opinion. The proposed Justice Centre and Real Snow Ski Slope would sustain this demand to a certain extent after the World Cup

I don t know about the Palais de Justice but as far as the ski slope goes the track record on hotels being supported by these facilities is not great - they only really attract day visitors, at least on the scale that's under discussion here.

There are, and have been a few proposals for a centre parcs type ski centre , but so far no one has made it stack up. The closest is the Snoasis proposal, and despite all of the positive noises that s pretty much back burner right now.

Obviously the odd slope user will stay over, but in my experience the contribution would be pretty small apart from during the odd 'national' event.

Mind you in my experience of Sunderland there surely [I]mustbe a market at least for a Premier Inn/Jurys or two in the city centre. I recall a night out with Mrs Pubwatcher and discovered that there was pretty much nothing that we'd want to risk within walking distance of the town centre.

I don t know about the Palais de Justice but as far as the ski slope goes the track record on hotels being supported by these facilities is not great - they only really attract day visitors, at least on the scale that's under discussion here.

There are, and have been a few proposals for a centre parcs type ski centre , but so far no one has made it stack up. The closest is the Snoasis proposal, and despite all of the positive noises that s pretty much back burner right now.

Obviously the odd slope user will stay over, but in my experience the contribution would be pretty small apart from during the odd 'national' event.

Mind you in my experience of Sunderland there surely [I]mustbe a market at least for a Premier Inn/Jurys or two in the city centre. I recall a night out with Mrs Pubwatcher and discovered that there was pretty much nothing that we'd want to risk within walking distance of the town centre.



There are two Premier Inns at Castletown, several big hotels and many more small ones on the coast at Roker and Seaburn and of course Seaham Hall for the more affluent visitor, but your analysis of the city centre is quite right. There are precious few options besides a Travelodge near the Empire Theatre, which I know does very well in terms of occupancy - though there are a few smaller boutique-type hotels now, including Hawkesley House in Sunniside. There have been dozens of plans that have come and gone for other hotel developments in the centre, none of which have yet come to pass.

There are two Premier Inns at Castletown, several big hotels and many more small ones on the coast at Roker and Seaburn and of course Seaham Hall for the more affluent visitor, but your analysis of the city centre is quite right. There are precious few options besides a Travelodge near the Empire Theatre, which I know does very well in terms of occupancy - though there are a few smaller boutique-type hotels now, including Hawkesley House in Sunniside. There have been dozens of plans that have come and gone for other hotel developments in the centre, none of which have yet come to pass.

Yes that s was what surprised/surprises me. I live in Newcastle which has a large number of 'Lodge' type hotels [as well as more upmarket properties]. Seems to me that this is the case with most cities of a similar size to Sunderland. Whilst I can do the numbers on snowdomes, hotels are off my patch - it just seems given the population, university, businesses etc etc there would be a demand for properties in what I'd call an SR1 [city centre] postcode. You'd think that the football crowd might make a difference - certainly the Newcastle ones fill up [and there are a lot more of them].

I think there is huge demand and I think if it hadn't been for the downturn then we would be seeing some of the developments now. I'm sure as soon as that changes there will be developments in Sunderland, but it may take one of the projects such as Vaux, Farringdon Row or the stadium village to kick start things. Premier Inn have recently stated that their immediate objective is to increase average occupancy rates to 80% before looking to expand further.

I think there is huge demand and I think if it hadn't been for the downturn then we would be seeing some of the developments now. I'm sure as soon as that changes there will be developments in Sunderland, but it may take one of the projects such as Vaux, Farringdon Row or the stadium village to kick start things. Premier Inn have recently stated that their immediate objective is to increase average occupancy rates to 80% before looking to expand further.


Think your right, --- I know there was at least ten Hotels proposed in and around Sunderland, ---with at half being granted planning permission, ---and none have begun, ---maybe if a couple of the large Developments goes ahead, --then hopefully some of the proposed the Hotels might get built, ---we can only hope though.

Yes that s was what surprised/surprises me. I live in Newcastle which has a large number of 'Lodge' type hotels [as well as more upmarket properties]. Seems to me that this is the case with most cities of a similar size to Sunderland. Whilst I can do the numbers on snowdomes, hotels are off my patch - it just seems given the population, university, businesses etc etc there would be a demand for properties in what I'd call an SR1 [city centre] postcode. You'd think that the football crowd might make a difference - certainly the Newcastle ones fill up [and there are a lot more of them].

Totally agree mate.

However, I think Sunderland's critical and fundamental problem is it's lack of core office businesses and general industry is not in the City Centre, and this is reflected in the lack of hotel provision. It is a city that is massively off-balance in economic terms, with its core employment centre being at Doxford Park.

Everything else is there; leisure, sport and university so you would think there would be a decent level of hotel accommodation already, but the fundamental problem with these things is that they are all seasonal and so demand is not always there. Office related overnight stays are all year round and offer confidence to hoteliers which isn't quite there yet, evidently.

As far as I know, ---a Hotel on the car parks beside the Stadium of Light is still on the agenda, ---and I believe that SAFC still have planning permission, ---and I hope the Club goes ahead with their plans.

I heard just before new year that a hotel in the Tavistock area was at the final planning stages? Anybody heard anything or with more info?

I heard just before new year that a hotel in the Tavistock area was at the final planning stages? Anybody heard anything or with more info?


About a year ago, --there was a proposal for a Hotel from a Japanese chain for one around the Tavistock area,---but I haven't heard anything since then, ----so maybe this could be the Hotel you have heard about.

About a year ago, --there was a proposal for a Hotel from a Japanese chain for one around the Tavistock area,---but I haven't heard anything since then, ----so maybe this could be the Hotel you have heard about.

I suspect that the proposed Software Centre has re-ignited the Japanese firm's interest in the development.

Does anyone know which site this is on? Could it be the current Kwik-Fit/Prontaprint site fronting on to Borough Road and backing on to Tavistock Place?

If this is the case, the whole Borough Road and wider Sunniside area will receive a massive lift in fortunes.

Borough Road is already quite an impressive street, towards the Burdon Road end, but it deteriorates quite significantly once you get beyond the junction to Toward Road. A hotel in this location would be ideal.

However, (and I say this as respectfully as I can), the YMCA on Toward Road and what I understand to be a Drugs Rehabilitation Centre on Tatham Street, as important as they are, can attract anti-social elements in the area. I hope that these facilities can be located to more community-based facilities, as opposed to remaining in any area which is becoming an important part of the City Centre office and leisure economy.

I suspect that the proposed Software Centre has re-ignited the Japanese firm's interest in the development.

Does anyone know which site this is on? Could it be the current Kwik-Fit/Prontaprint site fronting on to Borough Road and backing on to Tavistock Place?

If this is the case, the whole Borough Road and wider Sunniside area will receive a massive lift in fortunes.

Borough Road is already quite an impressive street, towards the Burdon Road end, but it deteriorates quite significantly once you get beyond the junction to Toward Road. A hotel in this location would be ideal.

However, (and I say this as respectfully as I can), the YMCA on Toward Road and what I understand to be a Drugs Rehabilitation Centre on Tatham Street, as important as they are, can attract anti-social elements in the area. I hope that these facilities can be located to more community-based facilities, as opposed to remaining in any area which is becoming an important part of the City Centre office and leisure economy.


Think the original proposed Hotel was planned for that area opposite the Mowbray apartments like you said, ----so hopefully this Development could still go-ahead.

Think the original proposed Hotel was planned for that area opposite the Mowbray apartments like you said, ----so hopefully this Development could still go-ahead.

Any further news on this.

Any further news on this.


I haven't heard anymore regarding the proposed Hotel, ----but I think the Apartments proposal for Murton Street is still on the agenda.

Washington Developments given green light for plans
by Peter McCusker, The Journal, January 31st 2011


PROPOSALS for a £32m development which will include a new four-star hotel and 50 executive homes have been given the go-ahead by councillors.

Washington Developments, owners of the Woodham Golf & Country Club, near Newton Aycliffe, have unveiled plans to redevelop the site, which could create 300 construction jobs, secure 30 jobs at the golf club and create 90 jobs at the hotel.

The application, which will go before Sedgefield Council planning committee in April includes improvements to the golf course, the construction of 50 executive family homes, a 75-bed, four-star hotel with conference and spa facilities and extensive landscaping.

A meeting of Aycliffe Town Council last week gave almost unanimous support to the scheme, which is the result of an extensive consultation period with local residents and businesses.


Read More - http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2011/01/31/washington-developments-given-green-light-for-plans-51140-28075749/

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This could be good news for the area, ---and the creation of hundreds of jobs is very good news, ---wonder if there are any objections though?

A miniscule further movement on the Holiday Inn proposals for Alexandra Avenue, Low Southwick:

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/hotel_plan_for_shipyard_site_1_3230567

A miniscule further movement on the Holiday Inn proposals for Alexandra Avenue, Low Southwick:

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/hotel_plan_for_shipyard_site_1_3230567



Won't hold my breath over this one, -----hope I'm wrong like, --and hope we will hear something in the near future, ----but I honestly don't think it will be soon.

Won't hold my breath over this one, -----hope I'm wrong like, --and hope we will hear something in the near future, ----but I honestly don't think it will be soon.


I'm not holding my breath.

I'm not holding my breath.


Aye, --this reminds me of the SAFC situation, ---they had planning permission to build a Hotel near the Stadium for years, ---and then after five years was nearly up, -- they had to apply again, ---lets hope something happens with this site before another five goes by.

This from the Sunderland Echo, ---


Seaham Hall up for grabs at a knockdown £5million


Seaham Hall




Published on Wednesday 7 September 2011 11:05



SEAHAM Hall is up for grabs at a knockdown price – from £12.5million to £5million.


The award-winning luxury accommodation has been up for sale since the collapse of parent company von Essen in April.

Now its price tag has been slashed in a bid to find a buyer.

Administrators Ernst and Young appointed agents Christie + Co to handle the sale of the von Essen chain and the firm has now revealed 19 of the 28 venues are currently under offer.

Seaham Hall is not among those which have already attracted bids.



Now its asking price has been slashed in a bid to attract a new owner to the historic East Durham site, the wedding venue for poet Lord George Gordon Byron and Annabella Milbanke in 1815.

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/seaham_hall_up_for_grabs_at_a_knockdown_5million_1_3749205

This from the Sunderland Echo, ---


Ramside Hall Hotel, near Durham, where a housing development is planned.




Published on Friday 28 October 2011 12:18



A HOUSING development which aims to generate cash for a luxury hotel’s expansion has come under fire.


Ramside Hall, in Durham, has applied for outline planning permission to build 21 new homes on a plot of land which makes up part of its golf course, and another 13 at Hill Top Farm in Carrville.

The business says the development would allow it to go ahead with a project to increase the size of the hotel, by making up a funding shortfall.

The £18million scheme, approved in 2004 with foundations laid last year, includes expanding the golf course to create a total of 36 holes to the south of Pittington Lane, and a leisure facility including a spa and swimming pool.

A replacement ballroom and conference facility and extra parking would also be created.

However, while the proposals have gained the backing of the region’s economic and tourism experts, they have not won favour with residents, Belmont and Pittington parish councils, or the City of Durham Trust, which have all objected. A 114-signature petition has also been collected.

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/protest_over_durham_hotel_s_housing_plan_1_3917662

Regarding the Liverpool house area, yes I totally agree, ---I know there were plans a year or so ago --for Demolition and building of some retail units and apartments for that site, --but I'm not sure what has happened, ---also there is the mothballed site of the proposed Porterfield Plaza, ---it's a pity Gentoo can't sell this, --wonder how much longer we will have to look at the orange steelwork:)

Passed there today & the door was open with loads of building materials inside, looks promising

Passed there today & the door was open with loads of building materials inside, looks promising

Pleased something seems to be happening, -----wonder what the plan is with this building, --will keep an eye on any progress, --cheers marra.

Regarding the Liverpool house area, yes I totally agree, ---I know there were plans a year or so ago --for Demolition and building of some retail units and apartments for that site, --but I'm not sure what has happened, ---also there is the mothballed site of the proposed Porterfield Plaza, ---it's a pity Gentoo can't sell this, --wonder how much longer we will have to look at the orange steelwork:)

Quite a bit of work going on in liverpool house, scaffolding out the back etc

2 ground floor offices & 12 apartments on the 2 other floors
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?previousCaseUprn=000045091170&previousCaseType=Property&activeTab=summary&previousKeyVal=001OXQBBLI000&previousCaseNumber=001V9CBBBU000&keyVal=L5T7JBBB06B00

Quite a bit of work going on in liverpool house, scaffolding out the back etc

2 ground floor offices & 12 apartments on the 2 other floors
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?previousCaseUprn=000045091170&previousCaseType=Property&activeTab=summary&previousKeyVal=001OXQBBLI000&previousCaseNumber=001V9CBBBU000&keyVal=L5T7JBBB06B00


Good news, --pleased these buildings are being modernised and brought back into use, ----only hope something is sorted out with the Porterfield site, cheers.

At least it getting built a new hotel is long overdue in Sunderland lets hope theres more to come. I take it the Joplings Hotel plan has fallen through.


I think the Hilton proposal(Joblings)---was given the go-ahead over a year ago, --but haven't heard or read anything about this for some time, --you may be right, --it might have fallen through, --which would be a shame.

I agree it's not the prettiest building to stick within yards of a conservation area.

My other worry is the ground floor, which in the impression looks like a restaurant/cafe. Limelight/Sunniside Leisure seem to have a lot of difficulty maintaining occupancy in their bar/restaurant units, and I think I'm right in saying there's still an empty unit in the bowling alley building (the bowling alley itself was nearly empty - I understand it was bought out at the last minute recently).

Travelodge don't have a great record on this - the leisure unit beneath their existing hotel on Green Terrace (former Bud Biggalows or something like that?) looked empty last time I went past.

Just worry we're going to end up with more dead frontage at street level, which would be a shame. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.


With regard to empty units, --I can understand where your coming from,--but we have to hope what ever retailers come in, --that they will be successful, ---and as for the design of the Hotel, --yes it ain't the best, --and I would have preferred the original one, --which was proposed for the opposite of the Street, ----but I will reserve judgment until I see the Hotel completed, ---you never know, it might not look too bad.:)

Stumbled upon this the other day.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-35993687.html

Looks like the original developer won't be going ahead with this one.:sad2:

Okay so thats the site for style furnishings which was the old liverpool house, by previous posts I thought this and the one next to it are being refurbished.

I am now confused.

Okay so thats the site for style furnishings which was the old liverpool house, by previous posts I thought this and the one next to it are being refurbished.

I am now confused.

the one being done up is the one next door (the green bit to the right on the photo). The 2 buildings were ajoined at one point & both were refered to as liverpool house.

Okay so thats the site for style furnishings which was the old liverpool house, by previous posts I thought this and the one next to it are being refurbished.

I am now confused.

There was a Hotel planned for the old Liverpool House site, --this was over a year ago, ---but I don't know what happened, --and it must have fell through, ---now on this site there is a Development for two offices on the ground floor, --and 12 apartments on the other two floors, cheers.

So is that development in the renders that looks a bit like the Bridges car park entrance bt TK Maxx actualy Porterfield Plaza (orange climbing frame)?

So is that development in the renders that looks a bit like the Bridges car park entrance bt TK Maxx actualy Porterfield Plaza (orange climbing frame)?

yes the orange climbing frame, is what was going to be the porterfield plaza

So is that development in the renders that looks a bit like the Bridges car park entrance bt TK Maxx actualy Porterfield Plaza (orange climbing frame)?


Yes, -- as Le Chuck said, ---the orange steel work was to be the Porterfield Development, ---I put a photo up earlier on this thread, ---it's a shame the site has stood this way for so long, ---lets hope someone will buy--and Develop the site.

Like the look of the hotel
But
There must be something done about the old liverpool house building and the one next to it on the corner of norfolk street before this hotel opens for buisness.

Not specifically that building but another blot on the landscape will soon be demolished and replaced with grass.

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LVTTIOBB05Q00

Will make the area around High Street West look far better than a street full of derelict buildings and will improve the area for the visitors to the new hotel.

Not specifically that building but another blot on the landscape will soon be demolished and replaced with grass.

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LVTTIOBB05Q00

Will make the area around High Street West look far better than a street full of derelict buildings and will improve the area for the visitors to the new hotel.

Listed buildings as well
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1398&lnk=77

Thought someone bought them a while back & was planning to turn them into a resteraunt

Listed buildings as well

Being listed means sweet F A when you consider one of the best looking buildings in that area

http://www.sawiki.net/index.php/Sunderland_Citadel

Lambton Street, 24, 25 and 26 , Sunderland , Salvation Army Citadel (formerly)
NOW DEMOLISHED

Is no longer with us

Being listed means sweet F A when you consider one of the best looking buildings in that area

http://www.sawiki.net/index.php/Sunderland_Citadel

Lambton Street, 24, 25 and 26 , Sunderland , Salvation Army Citadel (formerly)
NOW DEMOLISHED

Is no longer with us

I could understand wanting to keep that building with it having a lot of character, but the buildings that are proposed for demolition wont be missed when they've gone. If anything the demolition will add to the character of remaining building which is taller and has more architectural features and has been looked after and improved over the years.

^^^^


Also these in the same area, -- I thought these were the buildings that were to be Demolished, --until Le Chuck pointed where they are.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/Photo0349.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/Photo0350.jpg

^^^^

And these photos, ---there are some fine buildings along Norfolk Street, --shame about the dilapidated ones on the corner.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/Photo0351.jpg


and this shot looking down High Street --with the site for the Hotel on the left, --and of course further down, --the frame that was to be the Porterfield Plaza, ---it's a real pity that this site has stood like this for so long, ---btw, --when we passed the Style Furnishing building, --there was no work going on, --unless there was work at the back of the building.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/Photo0348.jpg

Wonder if this could still happen, ----this from the Sunderland Echo, --


Hopes high for Joplings hotel plan




Published on Saturday 4 February 2012 09:44



AMBITIOUS plans to turn Sunderland’s empty Joplings store into a hotel are still on course.


Planning permission to transform the upper floors of the John Street building was granted in March 2009 but the plans have been on hold after the closure of the store more than a year ago.

However, Altrincham-based developer Merepark Project Management has now applied to Sunderland City Council bosses to extend the existing permission – and spokesman Ian Jones confirmed the scheme was still active.

“We are in the process of drawing up a new planning application and we have just asked for an extension of the existing permission in the meantime,” he said.

“We are actively looking at the building with a view to developing a hotel.”

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/hopes_high_for_joplings_hotel_plan_1_4213828

Wonder if this could still happen, ----this from the Sunderland Echo, --

Hopes high for Joplings hotel plan


AMBITIOUS plans to turn Sunderland’s empty Joplings Department Store into a hotel are still on course. Planning permission to transform the upper floors of the John Street building was granted in March 2009 but the plans have been on hold after the closure of the store more than a year ago.

Read more - http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/hopes_high_for_joplings_hotel_plan_1_4213828


Hope this happens!

Big old Department Store buildings can be particularly suitable for conversion to a hotel . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1430458

Yes I agree, ---I think it makes sense to convert big Department Stores such as Joplings into Hotels, ---it's in the City Centre which is an advantage, --the only disadvantage would be car parking, --although there are a few car parks fairly close by, --but I hope these proposals happen.

Wonder if this could still happen, ----this from the Sunderland Echo, --


Hopes high for Joplings hotel plan




Published on Saturday 4 February 2012 09:44



AMBITIOUS plans to turn Sunderland’s empty Joplings store into a hotel are still on course.


Planning permission to transform the upper floors of the John Street building was granted in March 2009 but the plans have been on hold after the closure of the store more than a year ago.

However, Altrincham-based developer Merepark Project Management has now applied to Sunderland City Council bosses to extend the existing permission – and spokesman Ian Jones confirmed the scheme was still active.

“We are in the process of drawing up a new planning application and we have just asked for an extension of the existing permission in the meantime,” he said.

“We are actively looking at the building with a view to developing a hotel.”

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/hopes_high_for_joplings_hotel_plan_1_4213828

Talks are at an advanced stage for this apparently

Talks are at an advanced stage for this apparently

Hope your right marra, --great news if true, cheers.

I read a piece in the Journal a few days ago regarding Safc 1879 events Company, ---and that they are looking to build a Hotel on the Stadium of Light site, ---has anyone got any knowledge or read of any details about this?cheers.

This from the BBC, --


Seaham Hall sells for 'half-price' - saving 120 jobs The hotel sold for less than £5m - well below its guide price of £12.5m Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
Offers made for Von Essen hotels

More than 100 jobs have been saved following the sale of a Durham hotel.

Seaham Hall and Serenity Spa's former owners, the Von Essen Group, put the venue up for sale last year when it went into administration.

The £12.5m guide price was later slashed to £5m and it has now been sold to Bristol-based Seasons Holidays - safeguarding 120 jobs.

Read more http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-17595974

I read a piece in the Journal a few days ago regarding Safc 1879 events Company, ---and that they are looking to build a Hotel on the Stadium of Light site, ---has anyone got any knowledge or read of any details about this?cheers.

Yes SAFC are in negotiations with Hilton group on this. Nothing finalised but looking likely to happen.

Yes SAFC are in negotiations with Hilton group on this. Nothing finalised but looking likely to happen.

That would be great news if it happened.

Yes SAFC are in negotiations with Hilton group on this. Nothing finalised but looking likely to happen.

This is excellent news, --lets hope it happens, cheers.

Yes SAFC are in negotiations with Hilton group on this. Nothing finalised but looking likely to happen.

The planning permission which was granted was for a 10 storey hotel, next to the Audi Garage of elevation upto 46m. Lets hope its not the knock of version of the hilton hotels similar to what was planned/ being planned for the Joblings building.

Personally on the joblings site; id like to see the building taken down, along with the other buildings on that block and being replaced with underground car parking (specifically for the hotel but also for residential parking and staff parking for the retail units) with high quality units to the north of the site with apartments above.

The planning permission which was granted was for a 10 storey hotel, next to the Audi Garage of elevation upto 46m. Lets hope its not the knock of version of the hilton hotels similar to what was planned/ being planned for the Joblings building.

Personally on the joblings site; id like to see the building taken down, along with the other buildings on that block and being replaced with underground car parking (specifically for the hotel but also for residential parking and staff parking for the retail units) with high quality units to the north of the site with apartments above.

Sounds reasonable.

Yeah lets hope you are right, --- some of the area needs revamping, --btw, ---when I was down their the other day, ---I noticed there was work getting done in the old buildings opposite, --the workmen were doing internal work, ---lets hope it won't be long before the external work begins, --because those buildings certainly needs a face lift.

A face lift is needed atleast!

Personally id like to have seen the hotel and apartment project go ahead, even if it was another premier inn or something to get more people into the area. Apartmens are good but a hotel would bring visitors in who more than likely will not have been before. I live in the area, it is quite expensive to live, the times which we go out are few and far between, meaning we dont visit the local facities too oftern and spend our money, if we had visitors coming in to a hotel development, most would need feeding and perhaps be lured into the bowling alley/ cinema for some entertainment, spending more money than us locals do. I suppose it all comes down to demand, if the various hotel companys dont see there being an oppertunity then other types of developments will take their place.

A face lift is needed atleast!

Personally id like to have seen the hotel and apartment project go ahead, even if it was another premier inn or something to get more people into the area. Apartmens are good but a hotel would bring visitors in who more than likely will not have been before. I live in the area, it is quite expensive to live, the times which we go out are few and far between, meaning we dont visit the local facities too oftern and spend our money, if we had visitors coming in to a hotel development, most would need feeding and perhaps be lured into the bowling alley/ cinema for some entertainment, spending more money than us locals do. I suppose it all comes down to demand, if the various hotel companys dont see there being an oppertunity then other types of developments will take their place.


Yes, --you make some valid points, --and I agree with you, --think Hotel chains need to see Sunderland as a destination point, with something for visitors to come and see, ---at the moment we only have the coast (which is beautiful)--the SoL not just for footy, ---also the Concerts, --and the Air Show, ---but there is a possibility of St Peters becoming a World Heritage site which would help, ---so hopefully things might be changing for the better, --and maybe the perception of Sunderland might change.

It was a shame the proposed hotel on Silksworth Row never saw the light of day.

It was a shame the proposed hotel on Silksworth Row never saw the light of day.

Yes it would have been a great building, ---but there's still hope that the new Justice Centre will be built on the Farringdon Row site, --fingers crossed.

Yes it would have been a great building, ---but there's still hope that the new Justice Centre will be built on the Farringdon Row site, --fingers crossed.

Its about time there was some fresh news on that.

Its about time there was some fresh news on that.

Aye it's been a while since the Justice Centre has been mentioned, --think it's got to do with Government funding, or lack of, ---but as for the original proposal for a complex with the Hotel as the anchor, --it is a real shame this didn't happen, --again it was all down to the recession that hit the original Developers, ---anyway, hopefully when the nearby Vaux site does eventually get Developed, ---there will be at least one Hotel built.

Completly agree, its a shame they didnt get rid of it before though as theyve probably missed an oppertunity for more rooms and better ground floor facilities.

Found this application for the Joblings store:

12/00793/FUL | Proposed reduction in retail floor space to existing retail department store and the conversion of three floors to hotel use. | Former Joplings John Street Sunderland SR1 1DP

Can be found here: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M16EE9BB03D00

It looks like this is a follow on from the change of use which was submitted in Jan:

12/00078/EXT1 | Extension of time to previously approved application 08/04727/FUL (Proposed reduction in retail floor space to existing retail department store and the conversion of three floors to hotel use, including additional floorspace to fourth floor and elevational treatments.) | Former Joplings John Street Sunderland SR1 1DP

Can be found here: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LXZPEPBB07500

All good news, lets hope to see this approved and that work gets going soon.

Completly agree, its a shame they didnt get rid of it before though as theyve probably missed an oppertunity for more rooms and better ground floor facilities.

Found this application for the Joblings store:

12/00793/FUL | Proposed reduction in retail floor space to existing retail department store and the conversion of three floors to hotel use. | Former Joplings John Street Sunderland SR1 1DP

Can be found here: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M16EE9BB03D00

It looks like this is a follow on from the change of use which was submitted in Jan:

12/00078/EXT1 | Extension of time to previously approved application 08/04727/FUL (Proposed reduction in retail floor space to existing retail department store and the conversion of three floors to hotel use, including additional floorspace to fourth floor and elevational treatments.) | Former Joplings John Street Sunderland SR1 1DP

Can be found here: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LXZPEPBB07500

All good news, lets hope to see this approved and that work gets going soon.

Yeah it would be great if this proposal gets the nod, ----still don't know if the Hilton group are still behind this, --or if another Hotel chain are interested, ---either way, --lets hope this becomes a reality, ---thanks for the links, cheers.

Some more news on the Joplings conversion into a hotel.

Published on Thursday 17 May 2012 09:54

AMBITIOUS plans to turn Sunderland’s disused Joplings store into a hotel could become a reality with the scheme in line to share a £25million business loan fund.

The plan, to turn the building into a 119-bedroom Hampton by Hilton hotel, is part of the first wave of major regeneration projects considered for backing from the North East Local Enterprise Partnership (NELEP)’s Growing Places Funds.

The Joplings scheme is one of seven which will go forward for further scrutiny, with those projects successfully completing the process receiving flexible loans, backed by Government cash.

Planning permission to transform the upper floors of the John Street building was granted in March 2009 but the plans have been on hold after the closure of the store more than a year ago.

Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/cash-bolsters-plan-for-hilton-hotel-on-joplings-store-site-1-4555334

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.4555332.1337244865!image/97101358.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/97101358.jpg

Some more news on the Joplings conversion into a hotel.



Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/cash-bolsters-plan-for-hilton-hotel-on-joplings-store-site-1-4555334

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.4555332.1337244865!image/97101358.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/97101358.jpg


Could be excellent news,---and we should find if it's been successful within a few months, --fingers crossed for this.

The brick work's been started a few days back on the easterly point where they were installing the steel work yesterday. They certainly arnt hanging about.

On Joblings, I wonder what the other 6 projects are, id assume none are in Sunderland as they would have probably been mentioned by the Echo if that was the case, anyone else know?

Yeah the Travelodge building is moving on a pace, --good news, --

and it's good to see that hopefully the proposed Hilton Hotel plans could be getting some help with this funding from the LEP, ---as for the other six projects to receive funding, ---I read they include, --office and multi storey car park in Newcastle, --also sites along the Tyne --for --Wind/Gas and Oil firms, ---and the project for Durham Gate Business Park.

Yeah the Travelodge building is moving on a pace, --good news, --

and it's good to see that hopefully the proposed Hilton Hotel plans could be getting some help with this funding from the LEP, ---as for the other six projects to receive funding, ---I read they include, --office and multi storey car park in Newcastle, --also sites along the Tyne --for --Wind/Gas and Oil firms, ---and the project for Durham Gate Business Park.

I really hope the hotel on the Joplings site become reality as it would be a much needed boost to that part of the city.

I really hope the hotel on the Joplings site become reality as it would be a much needed boost to that part of the city.


Yes this proposed Hotel will be an excellent addition along with the Travelodge to the City, -----also, --I wonder if there are still proposals for Shop Units on the ground floor?

Yes this proposed Hotel will be an excellent addition along with the Travelodge to the City, -----also, --I wonder if there are still proposals for Shop Units on the ground floor?

Not sure I think that was in the original plan I presume theres a second plan with Joplings being closed now ?

Not sure I think that was in the original plan I presume theres a second plan with Joplings being closed now ?

I haven't seen any new plans for this proposed Hotel, ----and just wonder if any new plans will try to incorporate a few different shop units on the ground floor, --similar to the Travelodge project.

I was thinking that there could be a thread of buildings / places of interest to be developed? Or Ideas thread? Perhaps someone off the private sector might read it and consider taking forward an option on it.

You could start a new thread mate, or--I suppose there's always the --ideas for improving the City thread that we already have?

Planning application for Joplings
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M16EE9BB03D00

Planning application for Joplings
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M16EE9BB03D00

Just got to hope this happens, --cheers.

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The construction of the new Travelodge Hotel on Sunniside, is now (wef 4th July 2012) being covered on its own Project Thread . . .


Travelodge Hotel, Sunniside | Sunderland | 4fl | U/C
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1526742

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The construction of the new Travelodge Hotel on Sunniside, is now (wef 4th July 2012) being covered on its own Project Thread . . .


Travelodge Hotel, Sunniside | Sunderland | 4fl | U/C
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1526742

Thanks for this NH.

I see theres proposals to build a new hotel in Hind St/Silksworth Row again.

I see theres proposals to build a new hotel in Hind St/Silksworth Row again.


This is good news mate, ---I know the University had planned a large Hotel and Conference Centre on this site about a couple of years ago, ---where did you find out about this kb ? cheers.

This is good news mate, ---I know the University had planned a large Hotel and Conference Centre on this site about a couple of years ago, ---where did you find out about this kb ? cheers.

It was in the Public Notices page in last night echo.

" GB Development Solutions Ltd are preparing to submit an application to redevelop the site between Hind Stret and Hope Street Sunderland, building a new hotel and a new pedestrian route linking the University Campus to the city centre."

It was in the Public Notices page in last night echo.

" GB Development Solutions Ltd are preparing to submit an application to redevelop the site between Hind Stret and Hope Street Sunderland, building a new hotel and a new pedestrian route linking the University Campus to the city centre."

Thanks kb, --it's good news, --and will be keeping a look out for this Development, --cheers.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.4724075.1341910684!image/3652470965.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/3652470965.jpg

Published on Tuesday 10 July 2012 09:58

PLANS for a multimillion-pound hotel development in the heart of Sunderland have been unveiled.

The six-storey contemporary boutique hotel would have 125 bedrooms and play a key role in breathing new life into the city – and the developer is after your opinion.

Turn to Page 5

Developer GB Development Solutions is now appealing for Wearsiders to give their views on the proposals before it submits a formal planning application to Sunderland City Council.

The plans are for a development which would transform the site around Hind Street, between Sunderland University’s Chester Road campus and St Michael’s Way.

They include:

•A 125-bedroom six-storey hotel, with parking

•Terraced gardens

•A new pedestrian route to improve links between the university campus and the city centre

•Repairs and remodelling to the Grade II-listed building which house The Art Studio, with its extensions and outbuildings demolished.

Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/rooms-for-your-views-1-4724076

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.4724075.1341910684!image/3652470965.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/3652470965.jpg



Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/rooms-for-your-views-1-4724076


This gets my vote, --I like the look---and have always liked the Art studio building, ---lets hope most people give it a thumbs up, --cheers.

This gets my vote, --I like the look---and have always liked the Art studio building, ---lets hope most people give it a thumbs up, --cheers.

Gets my vote too. Its a lovely building, im wondering where they are getting the '6 storey building' from because to me it looks 4 at the most? It is undoubtedly good to see the potential of another hotel in the city along with the potential hilton @ joblings it seems things are on the up.

Yup - looks good to me. Having spent a night in the Travelodge during a period when I wasn't living in the town, I can confirm it's not a sleeping experience I'd wish on my worst enemy ;)

Really glad to see they're re-using the existing building. 'Boutique' suggests an operator like Malmaison or Hotel Du Vin, but I'm not naive enough to believe either of them will be the operator. I'd be happy with a Holiday Inn/Jury's or even a nicely-fitted out Premier Inn, personally.

Just a shame they couldn't extend the site onto the now 'to let' Shackleton House. Can't see that being occupied any time soon unless the University fancy it.

Gets my vote too. Its a lovely building, im wondering where they are getting the '6 storey building' from because to me it looks 4 at the most? It is undoubtedly good to see the potential of another hotel in the city along with the potential hilton @ joblings it seems things are on the up.

because thats not the hotel. The hotel is a new building next door.

This proposed new Hotel is great news, ---and I too like the art studio building, ---I would imagine there will be extension put on the rear, ---anyway, --really hope this happens, --although there have been many Hotel proposals over the last few years, --lets hope this one happens.

because thats not the hotel. The hotel is a new building next door.

Aye, --my brother just called in, ---said the proposed Hotel is to be a new building, -----so the Echo artist impression is misleading, ---still, --just hope the Hotel goes ahead, --and the Art studio building is put to good use.

Aye, --my brother just called in, ---said the proposed Hotel is to be a new building, -----so the Echo artist impression is misleading, ---still, --just hope the Hotel goes ahead, --and the Art studio building is put to good use.

Completly misleading. I actually drove past there yesterday to have a look could be a decent size and stature, lets hope this one gets the nod, be nice to see some complete renders of the hotel.

Completly misleading. I actually drove past there yesterday to have a look could be a decent size and stature, lets hope this one gets the nod, be nice to see some complete renders of the hotel.

Yeah, --it seems though the Echo hasn't done it's home work, --would have at least expected impressions of the new build, ---also I heard the Art Studio might become a bar/restaurant, --does anyone have any information on this? cheers.

Yeah, --it seems though the Echo hasn't done it's home work, --would have at least expected impressions of the new build, ---also I heard the Art Studio might become a bar/restaurant, --does anyone have any information on this? cheers.

Classic echo and they always seem to put the sory in after the they have put it in their public notices page.

That said I really hope the development happens as it would be a major boost to the city.

Classic echo and they always seem to put the sory in after the they have put it in their public notices page.

That said I really hope the development happens as it would be a major boost to the city.

Yes agree, ---and if this Development and other proposed Developments also begin, ---then hopefully we will see two or three Hotels in the next couple of years or so.

This from the Sunderland Echo, ---

Luxury hotel prepares for new future Barry Donaghey with a bottle of Spey Royal Choice, toasted by Spey family heirs John McDonough and son John Harvey.

Published on Tuesday 31 July 2012 08:45


THE same – but better. That is the plan for Seaham Hall, as the luxury hotel’s new owners gear up for the future.


The five-star hotel and its Serenity Spa were snapped up by Bristol-based Seasons Holidays in April, after the collapse of parent company von Essen last year.

Seaham Hall Hotel managing director Barry Donaghey has plans to give the venue a major new lease of life – but without compromising on the high standards that have made its reputation.

“We are going to make major improvements in areas such as the drawing room,” he said.

“That will be a really upmarket, funky bar.”

But the new owners will be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

“This is a great hotel and a great spa,” said Mr Donaghey.

“The way you make it better is to pay more attention to the details.”

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/luxury-hotel-prepares-for-new-future-1-4788432

Interesting developements at Seaburn where the council has spent £1.6m buying the Pullman. I can't post a link cos on my phone but I'm sure someone will oblige.

Seem to remember seeing a masterplan of this area which looked promising.

Interesting developements at Seaburn where the council has spent £1.6m buying the Pullman. I can't post a link cos on my phone but I'm sure someone will oblige.

Seem to remember seeing a masterplan of this area which looked promising.



Council forks out £1.6million for Sunderland seafront hotel

Published on Wednesday 1 August 2012 10:22

SUNDERLAND City Council has spent about £1.6million to secure a prime seafront hotel site.

The authority has bought The Pullman Lodge, in Whitburn Road, Seaburn.

It sits alongside the Seaburn Centre and empty funfair sites, which are already council owned.

The Echo understands that the plan is to redevelop that area of the seafront.

About 20 people who worked at The Pullman Lodge have lost their jobs as the building sits empty, as do the two railway carriages outside – previously put up for auction on the internet.

The location is now being advertised to let by the council.

It had been taken over by 
financial specialist PricewaterhouseCoopers, after Wearside-based owner Wylam Leisure fell into administration more than a year ago.



Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/council-forks-out-1-6million-for-sunderland-seafront-hotel-1-4791604

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.4791602.1343812916!image/3731552892.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/3731552892.jpg

New Sunderland hotel plan takes shape.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/webimage/1.4803031.1344012330!image/3736555969.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/3736555969.jpg

Published on Saturday 4 August 2012 09:44

PLANS to build a hotel in Sunderland city centre have been brought forward.

Developer GB Group is keen to get on with the development in Hind Street, next to the former Gas Board offices.

Designed by architects Faulkner Brown, the scheme is for a 125-bed hotel over five floors, with a restaurant, bar and meeting rooms.

It is part of Sunderland University’s masterplan and includes a new public space at the back of the CitySpace building, in Chester Road.

The uni’s masterplan drawings detail the landscaping and pedestrian access to the hotel from the Chester Road campus.

Read more: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/new-sunderland-hotel-plan-takes-shape-1-4803034

Some more on the above hotel..

Planning application:

Reference: 12/02236/FUL
Application Received: 30 Jul 2012
Address: 1 - 3 Hind Street Sunderland SR1 3QD
Proposal: Erection of a 6-storey, 125 bedroom hotel with ancillary restaurant / bar, meeting rooms and back of house facilities; External refurbishment of, and alterations to, the Grade II Listed former Gas Board offices; Demolition of building and structures within the site and creation of a landscaped pedestrian link and associated public realm; Stopping up of Hope Street to provide accessible parking.

Link: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M80KNSBB07Q00

And some images from the above planning application..

http://s14.postimage.org/e58m3mbwx/Hind_street_location_plan.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/xbqekjhsh/Hind_street_location_section.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/5pnmzuyfl/Hind_street_part_elevation.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/qb2errg0h/Hind_street_part_elevation2.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/pmtk8thap/Hind_street_part_elevation3.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/m4hkcfgep/Hind_street_part_elevation4.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/on39d424x/Hind_street_part_elevation5.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/lhinmwjip/Hind_street_plan1.jpg

http://s14.postimage.org/6a2o2jro1/Hind_street_upper_plan1.jpg

So by the looks of it theyre stripping the origional building right back to what it was, which is the best idea, for once they seem to be doing something properly instead of like other sites areound the city. Should completly tidy that pocket up, the plans do look impressive and of a good scale. Just what the city needs. Think I may have a :cheers: to celebrate the project when it starts and a few more when its completed. Ideally it will be an upmarket operator, and not just premier inn etc. That may create more interest from other operators to come into the city if all goes well. Would be good to see movement on this early next year as it certainly seems to have momentum as its in conjunction with the uni.

So by the looks of it theyre stripping the origional building right back to what it was, which is the best idea, for once they seem to be doing something properly instead of like other sites areound the city. Should completly tidy that pocket up, the plans do look impressive and of a good scale. Just what the city needs. Think I may have a :cheers: to celebrate the project when it starts and a few more when its completed. Ideally it will be an upmarket operator, and not just premier inn etc. That may create more interest from other operators to come into the city if all goes well. Would be good to see movement on this early next year as it certainly seems to have momentum as its in conjunction with the uni.

They should get a canny trade with the location with the Empire across the road.

And with the possibility of the Vaux site kicking off in the next couple of years they'll get plenty of contractors/reps during the construction.

^^^^

Thanks for all the images and information Architect, ---think the Hotel looks pretty good, --and I'm pleased the original building is going to be refurbished, ---start date next April, --lets hope there are no delays and it begins on time, cheers.

Note it refers to three hotel developments in the City Centre - a Travel Lodge, Premier Inn and Hampton by Hilton.

We know about the Travelodge, but the other two are news to me. Does this mean the University hotel site will be a Premier Inn? I know Hilton had some involvement with the Joplings plan at one point - but first I'd heard that it would be under their Hampton brand - is this definite now? If so, v good news (though slight disappointment the other site's a Premier Inn)

Looks that way

Im hoping it isnt, style furnishings rear has been fenced off, where people park their cars, wondering if that could be next to fall and a hotel being placed on there. probably roughly same sq footage as the travelodge and get more people into that area.

Im hoping it isnt, style furnishings rear has been fenced off, where people park their cars, wondering if that could be next to fall and a hotel being placed on there. probably roughly same sq footage as the travelodge and get more people into that area.

haven't seen anything in the way of planning applications for the style furnishings building. the council only bought it a few month back & don't think there's any plans yet. I'm guessing it'll just be knocked down to clear the site & make it more attractive for a developer to come in & do something

haven't seen anything in the way of planning applications for the style furnishings building. the council only bought it a few month back & don't think there's any plans yet. I'm guessing it'll just be knocked down to clear the site & make it more attractive for a developer to come in & do something

I haven't read anything about this building, ---the building is a mess, --and hopefully something will be done with it, ---but I think you could be right,

Looks that way

Some graphics on this page showing the Joplings building with 'Hampton by Hilton' signage: http://www.tetrissolutions.co.uk/project/joplings-buidling-sunderland

Some graphics on this page showing the Joplings building with 'Hampton by Hilton' signage: http://www.tetrissolutions.co.uk/project/joplings-buidling-sunderland

Great if it happens. Lots of stuff bubbling under in Sunderland at present!

Great if it happens. Lots of stuff bubbling under in Sunderland at present!

Think your right, ---think there should be a few projects to kick off in the City next year.

Some graphics on this page showing the Joplings building with 'Hampton by Hilton' signage: http://www.tetrissolutions.co.uk/project/joplings-buidling-sunderland


Looks like this will be a good looking building, ----according to the Developers web site, ---(Merepark)--they said that--status funding was ongoing --and due to begin on site the second quarter 2012, ---personally I can't see anything happening this year now, ---so lets hope this project will happen early next year.

I know we've all seen these types of plans from our council and other groups before, but for a private company to be doing this makes it look very promising.
Four star rooms too. Just what the city center needs.

Great if it happens. Lots of stuff bubbling under in Sunderland at present!

Agree. And if/when upturn comes, we should have plenty of cleared sites with good transport infrastructure, ready to go. Quite a contrast with the 2000s.

My only reservation about this particular site is that they're not taking the ground floor themselves - would hate to see the leisure/retail units sit empty, and might have been better if Hampton had used it for lobbies/conference and meeting facilities, but that's just a quibble in the scheme of things.

Good news.

I know we've all seen these types of plans from our council and other groups before, but for a private company to be doing this makes it look very promising.
Four star rooms too. Just what the city center needs.

Yeah it looks good for a start next Spring, --fingers crossed, cheers.

^^^^

Bit more, --this from the Sunderland Echo, --

New hotels check into Sunderland city centre .

Published on Tuesday 13 November 2012 07:44


AS one door opens ... another gets planning permission.


Mayor of Sunderland Coun Iain Kay will open Travelodge’s second hotel in Sunderland city centre today.

The £6million 82-bedroom development has created 18 jobs.

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/new-hotels-check-into-sunderland-city-centre-1-5121591

The Hind Street/Silksworth Row hotel we assume will be a Premier Inn was granted permission: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=691922&PageNo=1&PDF=true&nocd=true&content=obj.pdf

The Hind Street/Silksworth Row hotel we assume will be a Premier Inn was granted permission: http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/Planning/StreamDocPage/obj.pdf?DocNo=691922&PageNo=1&PDF=true&nocd=true&content=obj.pdf

Thanks for the link mate, ----it's good news they have been given the nod, --and will probably start next year, ----there are a few projects beginning next year, ---it's something to look out for, --cheers.

^^^^

Bit more, --this from the Sunderland Echo, --

New hotels check into Sunderland city centre .

Published on Tuesday 13 November 2012 07:44


AS one door opens ... another gets planning permission.


Mayor of Sunderland Coun Iain Kay will open Travelodge’s second hotel in Sunderland city centre today.

The £6million 82-bedroom development has created 18 jobs.

Read more http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/latest-news/new-hotels-check-into-sunderland-city-centre-1-5121591

On the topic of the Silksworth Row/Hind Street hotel, the Echo is reporting it as a contemporary boutique hotel. However, I think its likely to be a Premier Inn.

Having done a bit of digging, it seems that the old Art School/Gas board building will be subject to some external facade repairs and improvements and some demolitions to take away the modern extensions. But it doesn't form part of the hotel at all, which will be a completely separate building.

As far as I can gather, the Art School building will just be repaired and fixed up a bit with a view to bringing it back into use in the future, but won't have any active use as of yet. Whereas my original impression would be that it would form part of the hotel complex itself.

Does anyone know what the intention is for the listed building?

On the topic of the Silksworth Row/Hind Street hotel, the Echo is reporting it as a contemporary boutique hotel. However, I think its likely to be a Premier Inn.

Having done a bit of digging, it seems that the old Art School/Gas board building will be subject to some external facade repairs and improvements and some demolitions to take away the modern extensions. But it doesn't form part of the hotel at all, which will be a completely separate building.

As far as I can gather, the Art School building will just be repaired and fixed up a bit with a view to bringing it back into use in the future, but won't have any active use as of yet. Whereas my original impression would be that it would form part of the hotel complex itself.

Does anyone know what the intention is for the listed building?

Aye, the hotel is to be a seperate brand new building. The current building is to be a bar/restaurant (or thats the plan)

As far as I can gather, the Art School building will just be repaired and fixed up a bit with a view to bringing it back into use in the future, but won't have any active use as of yet. Whereas my original impression would be that it would form part of the hotel complex itself.

Does anyone know what the intention is for the listed building?

I think the Echo started this - their original story had the artists impression of the Gas Board/Art School building, rather than the actual hotel building. As others have pointed out, the refurb of this building is actually just a side benefit of the hotel devt.

The hotel has its own bar and restaurant on ground floor, which is maybe missed oppotunity - if they'd used the old building for this, they could have had conference facilities or whatever on the new ground floor.

I suspect bar/restaurant will be the ultimate use, but I guess the Unviersity themselves might be interested, depending on the floorplans etc.

The design and access statement for the hotel application is well worth a read - the whole development is quite well integrated into the University's campus master plan. The intention is to open up a direct route from the new 'quad' area downhill to the crossing towards the Empire - encouraging students staff and visitors into the cultural quarter.

I think the Echo started this - their original story had the artists impression of the Gas Board/Art School building, rather than the actual hotel building. As others have pointed out, the refurb of this building is actually just a side benefit of the hotel devt.

The hotel has its own bar and restaurant on ground floor, which is maybe missed oppotunity - if they'd used the old building for this, they could have had conference facilities or whatever on the new ground floor.

I suspect bar/restaurant will be the ultimate use, but I guess the Unviersity themselves might be interested, depending on the floorplans etc.

The design and access statement for the hotel application is well worth a read - the whole development is quite well integrated into the University's campus master plan. The intention is to open up a direct route from the new 'quad' area downhill to the crossing towards the Empire - encouraging students staff and visitors into the cultural quarter.


Yes, --regarding the Hotel, I think your right about this, --and regarding the Art Building, --I heard it was to be a Bar/Restaurant

Malmaison and Hotel du Vin set to acquire
a Victorian building in Durham City Centre
by Ruth Lognonne, The Journal, November 22nd 2012


A LANDMARK Victorian building in the heart of Durham city centre is finally set to become a luxury hotel after more than five years on the market. Upmarket hotel group Malmaison and Hotel du Vin is set to complete the purchase of Durham University’s former administration building Old Shire Hall on Old Elvet and turn it into a 50-bedroom boutique property. The now defunct development agency One NorthEast bought the landmark red-brick building from the university for £4.2m in 2008.

When One NorthEast was abolished in March this year, the building fell into the ownership of the Homes and Communities Agency, who have been looking to sell it to a developer. Malmaison and Hotel du Vin’s chief executive, Gary Davis, told The Journal that the group was just months away from signing a deal. It was first linked with a move for the property more than two years ago. He said: “If we can strike a deal to turn the building into a Hotel du Vin, we should get everything signed away in the next three months.

The Malmaison and Hotel du Vin chain, which owns two of Newcastle’s most prestigious hotels, says it is performing well despite one of its shareholders, MWB Group, falling into administration this week. Davis said: “MWB was one of our shareholders and their going into administration has no impact on our company whatsoever."


Read More - http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2012/11/22/malmaison-and-hotel-du-vin-set-to-acquire-durham-victorian-building-51140-32281929/

^^^^

Could be really good news for Durham, --lets hope everything can be worked out and this building made into a prestigious Hotel.

Good to hear that this is finally being announced. I'm sure the only reason it was being delayed was to wait until The new University Buildings were finished and they had moved out.

This is the building if anyone is unsure: http://goo.gl/maps/rnisH

Good to hear that this is finally being announced. I'm sure the only reason it was being delayed was to wait until The new University Buildings were finished and they had moved out.

This is the building if anyone is unsure: http://goo.gl/maps/rnisH

Yeah this is excellent news for Durham, --pleased the building will be transformed into a top Hotel, --btw, ---does anyone else think the building is similar to the Galen building in Sunderland, --seems to be of similar design.

I would imagine this would be a Hotel du Vin rather than a malmaison- generally hotel du vin open in university towns and malmaison in bigger cities (although not always- Malmaison opened in Oxford and Du Vin in Newcastle). That's good for Durham either way though.

I would imagine this would be a Hotel du Vin rather than a malmaison- generally hotel du vin open in university towns and malmaison in bigger cities (although not always- Malmaison opened in Oxford and Du Vin in Newcastle). That's good for Durham either way though.

Aye you could be right regarding a Hotel du Vin, --but which ever it is, a new fifty bed Hotel for Durham is good news, cheers.

I would imagine this would be a Hotel du Vin rather than a malmaison- generally hotel du vin open in university towns and malmaison in bigger cities (although not always- Malmaison opened in Oxford and Du Vin in Newcastle). That's good for Durham either way though.

There's also a Malmaison in Reading.

You may be right about Hotel du Vin but I reckon it could be a Malmaison, I think there's enough visitors with the money to spend.

With students parents, tourists, university visitors and a few businessmen it should be possible to keep 50 beds at reasonably high occupancy.

Have heard a couple of people saying that the old Galen Building could become a Hotel, ---I know the basement is a new Bar, --and there has been scaffolding up for a few weeks, --but I haven't read anything about this, --has anyone read or heard about this? --cheers.

i cant imagine this would happen while there was 2 clubs under and a bar (varsity). I know that there is quite a bit of unused space as a friend worked there when it was liquid and diva but don't really think it could work as a hotel.

i cant imagine this would happen while there was 2 clubs under and a bar (varsity). I know that there is quite a bit of unused space as a friend worked there when it was liquid and diva but don't really think it could work as a hotel.

I don't know how much truth there is in this, --just a couple of Lads heard this from somewhere, --suppose it's wait and see.

i cant imagine this would happen while there was 2 clubs under and a bar (varsity). I know that there is quite a bit of unused space as a friend worked there when it was liquid and diva but don't really think it could work as a hotel.

There are plenty of Hotels that have nightclubs within them, so why not?

There are plenty of Hotels that have nightclubs within them, so why not?

Personally I think the Galen Building could be a good site for a Hotel, --there is good access to the main roads, --plus car parking next door, --wonder if there is any truth in this?

I would like it as a hotel, it's a beautiful building, I just can't see it happening

I would like it as a hotel, it's a beautiful building, I just can't see it happening

Suppose we will have to wait and see if there is ant truth in this.

Hi folks, this is my first post, but I've been reading a lot of fantastic information on this site. Not to mention the awesome pictures that appear.

A small snippet, but looks like there's going to be some progress towards the hind street hotel project:

http://blogs.sunderland.ac.uk/aboutus/2013/02/19/hsd/

"Contractors will be carrying out site investigation works at Hind Street from Monday February 25, 2013 until the end of April 2013. Works will include the demolition of the single storey University workshops. We are advised that contractors have arranged for Hope Street to be closed for the duration of these works, however access to the Design Centre will not be affected.
The construction site boundary is shown hatched red on the attached plan, Hope Street is shown in Green (below)."

This just looks like clearing the site in preparation for a possibility to start work (like so many other projects), but a start nonetheless.

Hi folks, this is my first post, but I've been reading a lot of fantastic information on this site. Not to mention the awesome pictures that appear.

A small snippet, but looks like there's going to be some progress towards the hind street hotel project:

http://blogs.sunderland.ac.uk/aboutus/2013/02/19/hsd/

"Contractors will be carrying out site investigation works at Hind Street from Monday February 25, 2013 until the end of April 2013. Works will include the demolition of the single storey University workshops. We are advised that contractors have arranged for Hope Street to be closed for the duration of these works, however access to the Design Centre will not be affected.
The construction site boundary is shown hatched red on the attached plan, Hope Street is shown in Green (below)."

This just looks like clearing the site in preparation for a possibility to start work (like so many other projects), but a start nonetheless.


Hi and welcome to the forum specfreak, -----and thanks for this information, ---this is very good news, --and as you have pointed out, --will pave the way for a start on the proposed Hotel, --possibly in the summer, --thanks again and keep posting, --cheers.

@denm, Thanks for the welcome.

Just to update on the Hope Street Hotel work. The road has now been fenced off so that work can begin. Looks like it's fenced between the area of where
the ex University Estates building is. Hope they take it down before these blasted seagulls (sh1te hawks) start nesting.

I don't know if the clearing signals that the hotel will definitely go ahead, or just it's being cleared in the hope ?

The link I gave earlier seems to have changed:
http://blogs.sunderland.ac.uk/aboutus/2013/02/21/hsd/

The buildings marked in red are the ones being demolished. So that will leave the old Gas Works (City Art Centre) and its extension.
http://blogs.sunderland.ac.uk/aboutus/files/2013/02/hotelmap600.jpg

Is it worth me trying to take pictures during the progress ?

Cheers

^^^^

Thanks for the update specfreak, ---and yes if you could keep us updated with photos, --it would be most welcome, thanks, --btw, --I will be passing the site today, --so if there is any movement, --I might be able to get a few photos, --cheers.

Still nowt happening, but before work get's underway, here's a picture taken a few mins ago from Level 3 in the Design Centre:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HopeStreet-2013-03-06s.jpg

Click Below for bigger image:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HopeStreet-2013-03-06.jpg

It's a bit dark and muggy this morning.

You can see the Stadium of light in the background :-). Also Shackleton house, which IMHO could be used in conjunction with the building next to the magistrates to shoe horn people from the Civic Centre, flatten it and reclaim some of Mobray Park. They could relocate the central station (main line, not metro) to the site behind the holmeside triangle and make a very nice station. Sorry, I'm going off topic, I'm just reitterating what others have mentioned through this forum, and agree that there's so much that can be done in Sunderland, given the right vision (which so far we seem to lack).

Still nowt happening, but before work get's underway, here's a picture taken a few mins ago from Level 3 in the Design Centre:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HopeStreet-2013-03-06s.jpg

Click Below for bigger image:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HopeStreet-2013-03-06.jpg

It's a bit dark and muggy this morning.

You can see the Stadium of light in the background :-). Also Shackleton house, which IMHO could be used in conjunction with the building next to the magistrates to shoe horn people from the Civic Centre, flatten it and reclaim some of Mobray Park. They could relocate the central station (main line, not metro) to the site behind the holmeside triangle and make a very nice station. Sorry, I'm going off topic, I'm just reitterating what others have mentioned through this forum, and agree that there's so much that can be done in Sunderland, given the right vision (which so far we seem to lack).

Thanks for the photo, you have a good vantage point to see how the work progresses, --and regarding your comments, --yes I think most would agree, --I think most on this forum have come up with great ideas --which would improve the City, ---if only we had the chance.:)--cheers.

There's definitely work going on on this site, but from my vantage point I can't see the progress :-o. I went past on St Michael's Way in the car a couple of days ago and you can see they've demolished the out buildings behind the larger out building shown at the front of the picture.

I understand the roof on that building may contain asbestos, so maybe that's the delay ?

I'm sure they'll start on it seem.

I wonder what the vantage point would be from the top stair well of the Edinburgh building ? Don't know if you can see past Johnson Building (the two floor 'temporary' building), which is the International Centre now.

They've put hoarding up on the front too. Looking promising. The planning has been granted and with this prep work I guess it's going to go ahead soon. It will be a good addition to the city centre. Looking forward to seeing art the studio demolished and the original building restored to its former glory.

There's definitely work going on on this site, but from my vantage point I can't see the progress :-o. I went past on St Michael's Way in the car a couple of days ago and you can see they've demolished the out buildings behind the larger out building shown at the front of the picture.

I understand the roof on that building may contain asbestos, so maybe that's the delay ?

I'm sure they'll start on it seem.

I wonder what the vantage point would be from the top stair well of the Edinburgh building ? Don't know if you can see past Johnson Building (the two floor 'temporary' building), which is the International Centre now.


Good news the Demolition has started, ----I will try and get into Town in the next week or so, --and see if I can get some photos, --cheers.

Application gone in for a Hotel at the SoL

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=MLCNBXBB06K00

Application gone in for a Hotel at the SoL

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=MLCNBXBB06K00


Good news, --and thanks for the link marra, ---do you know if this is proposed for a area around the car park ?--cheers.

Application now 'removed from public viewing'. There were no documents, so it looked to me like it was just a pre-application enquiry - certainly resolution was delegated to officers. I'm not familiar with Sunderland's system, but presumably it's not standard practice to make pre-application enquiries open to the public (even if they are logged on the system for internal use)..?

Was the amount of rooms, floors etc detailed in the application?

As I remember, it said 160-odd rooms, plus conferencing facilities. Don't thibk it mentioned number of floors. No doxuments whatsoever so no clues re location.

Was the amount of rooms, floors etc detailed in the application?

it was only a screening application, so there wouldn't be much detail anyway

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Will be really good news if they do build a Hotel near the Stadium,--will have to keep an eye on this one.

Went past the Pullman Lodge at Seaburn today and there are banners up saying its re-opening soon. The council to-let signs are gone and it looked like they'd removed some of the boards on the chip shop ond the ground floor. No mention of an operator, but a phone number and hotmail email address.

The councik have bought it as a strategic site for redevelopment so suspect any lease can only be short term - anyone know who's got it?

Went past the Pullman Lodge at Seaburn today and there are banners up saying its re-opening soon. The council to-let signs are gone and it looked like they'd removed some of the boards on the chip shop ond the ground floor. No mention of an operator, but a phone number and hotmail email address.

The councik have bought it as a strategic site for redevelopment so suspect any lease can only be short term - anyone know who's got it?

I know the Council had bought this, --and I think you are probably right, --this lease will only be short term ---but I haven't heard or read anything regarding who might have leased it, --just have to keep an eye on this, --cheers.

Just an inquiry regarding the Demolition on Hind Street ---does anyone know what's happening or have any updates/photos, --cheers.

It hasn't started yet, it will commence in the near future to the areas discussed previously by others.

It hasn't started yet, it will commence in the near future to the areas discussed previously by others.

Thanks for the update, --and welcome to the site, cheers.

Just an inquiry regarding the Demolition on Hind Street ---does anyone know what's happening or have any updates/photos, --cheers.

Since my initial photo, nowt much else has happened. They've demolished all but the bigger building as already noted. I think they might be waiting for the Students to finish and do it over the summer.

I noticed new signs up warning of Asbestos, so it makes sense they wait to minimise risk.

Here's some photos, just poped out to test on of our cameras:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/Sign.JPG
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HindStreet1.JPG
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HindStreet2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15363623/HopeStreet/HindStreet3.JPG

Sorry about the last shot, I had to hold the camera over the fence and shoot blind, it focused on the fence instead of the building. I could probably try again at some point.

Great pics - cheers. That whole area could soon be looking quite good - hotel, improved crossing and new restaurant area of the Bridges leading to the new Magistrates Square and re-aligned St Mary's Way :banana:

It will make a huge difference, however a use will need to be found for the existing 1-3 Hind Street. Its a beautiful building that is currently going to waste.

It will make a huge difference, however a use will need to be found for the existing 1-3 Hind Street. Its a beautiful building that is currently going to waste.



Yeah lets hope the art building is put to good use, ---btw, --there are plenty people think this will be made into a Bar/Restaurant.

It will make a huge difference, however a use will need to be found for the existing 1-3 Hind Street. Its a beautiful building that is currently going to waste.

I thought the old Gas Board / Art Centre was going to be a restaurant in conjunction with the new Hotel ? The pigeons love it right now though.
Anyone remember the indoor ski slope inside there. When it was the Out Door Activity centre in the 80s. I was sent there in the summer holidays, mams orders ;-).