alright here some pics (also can be used for avatar) of A-380

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/09.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/07.jpg

enjoy

here's the news
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The world’s only twin-deck, four-aisle airliner

The airlines’ solution to growing demand
for air travel

The green giant, more fuel-efficient than
your car

The dedicated three-deck 150 tonne
long-range freighter

Designed in close collaboration with major airlines, airport and airworthiness authorities, the A380 brings new standards of comfort and better economics in an aircraft that is more environmentally responsible. Whilst doing all of this, it allows growth and reduced congestion from today's airports with minimum change. Most importantly, the A380 introduces competition to the large aircraft sector, completing the Airbus product portfolio.

The A380, which will seat 555 passengers in a typical three-class interior layout, will enter airline service in 2006.

The A380 Family starts from a baseline passenger aircraft with a capacity of 555 passengers in three classes over a range of up to 8,000 nm./14,800 km. Larger and longer range members of the family are anticipated in the basic design concept.

While offering all the advantages of a completely new design, the A380 will extend the unique benefits of Airbus family commonality into the very large aircraft sector. Thanks to the same cockpit layout, procedures and handling characteristics through fly-by-wire, pilots will be able to transition to the A380 from other Airbus aircraft with only minor additional training.

The A380 can be powered by Trent 900 engines from Rolls-Royce or GP7200 engines from The Engine Alliance (a joint venture between General Electric and Pratt & Whitney).

the cabin layout:

The A380’s twin-aisle twin deck passenger cabin offers the long distance traveller a whole new level of comfort. A cabin designed around a large sample of today’s real passengers providing more space regardless of class of ticket, wider seats and aisles. Optional lower deck use for rest areas, business, bar or other amenities can further enhance the A380 travel experience.

upper deck:
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main deck:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/a380-100-maindek_newver.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/encon/visu_backgrounder_a380.jpg

A380 is slightly taller and bigger than 747 advance. particulary in the wing dimension and length of the wing span.

Airbus and Boeing website are the best source to see the comparison. I try to figure it out how that i can get the diagram here.


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more go to www.airbus.com (for only A-380)

hope the link is useful

Mac, here is the comparison between A380 and 747. In all area and has very detail aspect. Including the airport requirement for A380 and 747

http://www.ifalpa.org/Interpilot/2004/NLA.pdf.

and here is the full comparison

Boeing 747-400

Capacity: 747-400 Domestic

Crew: Two

Two class seating for 568 (24 first and 544 economy).

Typical three class seating for 416 (23 first, 78 business and 315 economy class).

Weights:

Standard operating weight empty: 400,700 pounds.

747-400ER/ERF MTOW: 910,000 pounds.

Dimensions:

Wing span: 211 feet 5 inches

Length: 231 feet 10 inches

Height: 63 feet 8 inches

Performance:

Max cruising speed: 507 knots.

Long range cruising speed 490 knots – 7259 nautical miles

Engines: 4 PW-4060s (other engine options are available with lower thrust)

Engine Thrust: 62,000 pounds

747-400ER - Range at MTOW- 7670 nautical miles

747-400ERF - Range at MTOW – 4970 nautical miles

Airbus A380

Manufacturer: Airbus (Owned by European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co.)

Retail Cost: $280 Million

Official Roll-out: January 18, 2005

First Flight: Scheduled for January 2005, delayed now until April

Normal Crew: Two

Wingspan: 261 feet, 8 inches

Length: 239 feet, 3 inches

Height: 79 feet, 7 inches

Weight: 606,000 pounds empty, 1.2 -1.7 million pounds full

Fuel: 81,900 gallons

Max Landing Wt. 851,000 – 941,000 pounds (A380-800 and 800F)

Top Speed: 652 miles per hour

Cruising Speed: 630 miles per hour

Service Ceiling: 43,000 feet

Maximum Range: 8,000 – 10,000 miles in passenger configuration (22 hour duration)

Engines: 4 engines Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or Engine Alliance

Engine Thrust: 70,000 - 75,000 pounds per engine

Passengers: 555 in three cabins – up to 840 in one cabin


for more http://www.aci-na.org/docs/NLA%20FAA%20ATC.ppt.


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Guys, in today newspapers, the transport minister says if hes not banning the budget carriers to four cities in Indonesia, but its merely because no negotiation has been reached between the airlines and the government. So i expect, tiger and jetstar will get access very soon to that 4 cities.

Do you think its about money? I am thinking thats the case....I hope im wrong though!

cheers

Hi Dave, from the sound of it, seems like there's a lot of money being passed around. :P

I hope I'm wrong, but "negotiation" seems to indicate that the ministry need some form of incentive before letting those airlines in. And what else can that incentive be?

This is the article that David was referring to

Indonesian Transport Minister Denies Restricting Budget Carriers

JAKARTA, April 12 Asia Pulse - Transport Minister Hatta Rajasa has denied issuing a statement banning foreign budget airlines from flying to four major cities in the country.

There is no such regulation, but negotiations are needed bilaterally such as on seat capacity for the national interest, Hatta said yesterday, adding that Singapore did the same for its own interest.

Earlier Hatta had been quoted as saying that foreign low cost carriers (LCCs) are banned from serving four large cities in the country.

In January, Singapore asked Indonesia to add seat capacity for airports in Jakarta, Medan, Surabaya and Denpasar to implement the open sky policy and to allow Singaporean low cost carriers to gain landing rights in Yogyakarta, Semarang and Bandung.

Hatta said the request was rejected as it will threaten Indonesian airlines.

Direct flight to star between Denpasar, Auckland: Minister

Rendi A. Witular, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Indonesia and New Zealand have agreed to initiate a direct flight service between the two nations, with the first route to commence soon between Denpasar and Auckland, the largest city and center of business in New Zealand.

Minister of Trade Mari Pangestu told The Jakarta Post recently that the countries had agreed to choose Denpasar and Auckland for the first route, with a possibility of opening other routes in the foreseeable future.

"Direct flights are needed to enhance the mobility of people between the two countries, especially in the tourism and education sector.

"As we know, the people of our two nations need to know each other better to improve our relationship," said Mari, adding that Auckland had been chosen in order to lure more of New Zealand's travelers to the resort island Bali, while at the same time giving opportunities for Denpasar-based businesses -- notably small and medium ones -- to explore the possibility of expanding networks and markets there.

The route will be opened as a follow-up to the cooperative agreements inked between Indonesia and New Zealand in the economic sector during the visit of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to the country last Thursday.

During a joint press conference between Susilo and New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark, they acknowledged that there were not enough connections between the people of the two countries due to the lack of knowledge and understanding between them.

Another step that is likely to be taken is a follow-up of the existing joint Trade and Economic Commission to formulate effective and practical ways to boost bilateral activities.

The specific timetable for the commencement of the direct flight would be discussed in the next meeting of the Commission, scheduled for November.

Although geographically Indonesia is located near New Zealand, trade and economic activities between the countries are fairly insignificant, with Indonesia ranked only 16th in last year's list of New Zealand's largest partners -- lower than Malaysia, for instance, which ranked 12th.

Susilo and Clark emphasized the need for higher mobility between people of the two countries in a bid to enhance the relationship and activities between them.

Meanwhile, the newly appointed president director of national flag carrier Garuda Indonesia, Emirsyah Satar, told the Post that the airline would conduct a feasibility study for a direct flight to New Zealand.

Emirsyah said that, at present, Garuda already has indirect flight to Auckland via Brisbane, Australia.

"At present we are serving New Zealand via Brisbane. We still think that a direct flight is not that feasible right now. However, we will explore it some more and look into the possibility," said Emirsyah.

Hi Dave, from the sound of it, seems like there's a lot of money being passed around. :P

I hope I'm wrong, but "negotiation" seems to indicate that the ministry need some form of incentive before letting those airlines in. And what else can that incentive be?

Haha, now i know why hes backing off from the party's election last week...its all about....hmmm...$$

cheers

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I took this picture on board a Garuda Boeing 737-400 on my way to Pekanbaru

There are two new airlines in Indonesia

the 1st one is this airline, Linus Airways.

Here is the picture of it.

http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00327698

And the other one is Top Air,

Here the picture i took on board sriwijaya air and using my cellular camera. Blurry....:(


http://img259.echo.cx/my.php?image=image0640bt.jpg


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Linus airways.. they must be running Linux in their box! :)

Can not see that sriwijaya air photo, David?

haha, Linus is running on Linux box, thats cute. I wonder if they installed redhat or mandrake? :lol:

Sanhen, try double click and paste the link, it works with me.

cheers

Passenger Traffic Monthly Ranking

JANUARY 2005

Last update: April 18 2005

Passenger Traffic
Total passengers enplaned and deplaned, passengers in transit counted once

Airport Total %Chg
1 ATLANTA, GA (ATL) 6 444 181 5.0

2 CHICAGO, IL (ORD) 5 587 392 10.0

3 LONDON, GB (LHR) 5 166 952 6.0

4 LOS ANGELES, CA (LAX) 4 860 883 8.1

5 TOKYO, JP (HND) 4 767 992 3.5

6 DALLAS/FT WORTH AIRPORT, TX (DFW) 4 539 001 2.2

7 PARIS, FR (CDG) 3 835 908 5.4

8 FRANKFURT, DE (FRA) 3 724 327 3.2

9 LAS VEGAS, NV (LAS) 3 271 627 9.8

10 DENVER, CO /DEN) 3 235 151 5.6

11 PHOENIX, AZ (PHX) 3 154 466 7.4

12 BANGKOK, TH (BKK) 3 120 615 (7.6)

13 NEW YORK, NY (JFK) 3 035 889 13.9

14 HOUSTON, TX (IAH) 3 026 552 11.9

15 HONG KONG, CN (HKG) 2 983 000 (0.8)

16 AMSTERDAM, NL (AMS) 2 964 117 7.7

17 BEIJING, CN (PEK) 2 919 405 17.6

18 MADRID, ES (MAD) 2 876 545 8.3

19 MINNEAPOLIS/ST PAUL, MN (MSP) 2 822 079 8.3

20 MIAMI, FL (MIA) 2 759 373 2.3

21 ORLANDO, FL (MCO) 2 725 734 13.6

22 DETROIT, MI (DTW) 2 562 801 10.8

23 SYDNEY, AU (SYD) 2 558 880 6.5

24 SINGAPORE, SG (SIN) 2 532 594 0.7

25 TOKYO, JP (NRT) 2 530 329 2.8

26 SAN FRANCISCO, CA (SFO) 2 511 197 10.2

27 TORONTO, ON, CA (YYZ) 2 365 834 15.0

28 NEWARK, NJ (EWR) 2 336 113 5.1

29 JAKARTA, ID (CGK) 2 317 951 12.4

30 PHILADELPHIA, PA (PHL) 2 245 518 8.7

The above information is from www.airports.org

CGK is doing very very well...
If there is no fiscal policy, I bet the the number of passenger movement would sure surpass Singapore Changi.

Yeah, the aviation industry is booming in Indonesia thanks to cheap domestic flights and pick-up in economic activity.

The above information is from www.airports.org

CGK is doing very very well...
If there is no fiscal policy, I bet the the number of passenger movement would sure surpass Singapore Changi.

i think can but 1st must upgrade the airport!

They are now upgrading and expanding the airport, however the problem occured is the capacity has already overcrowded but the space is quite limited. You gotta remember, aside the two runway are community size complex which hosted hundreds if not thousand of residents. Not to mention, the golf course north of the terminal which was used for Indonesian open golf tournament this year.

But i believe when terminal 3, which is a low cost carrier terminal is finished and ready to operate, we will see more space in CGK.

If no fiscal, not only changi that CGK will surpass but Hongkong can be surpassed too.

cheers

But i believe when terminal 3, which is a low cost carrier terminal is finished and ready to operate, we will see more space in CGK.


terminal 3 for low cost carrier? I can't believe it. I thought we are expecting something that make us say 'Wow!' :(

Terminal 3 will always something that wont make people to say WOW. it was originally built for Hajj operational and TKI (Indonesian overseas workers) terminal. But now, the TKI terminal is moving to Terminal 2.

CGK cant afford to build a new modern terminal right now, like i said, the space is quite limited. The best way is to upgrade the current terminal with something that can make people not only departing and arriving but also enjoying the comfort of an airport.

There are some progress though, For instance when you take a look at their toilets. Its clean and smells good. :)

cheers

CGK cant afford to build a new modern terminal right now, like i said, the space is quite limited.

Do you think in the next 10 years, we need to start building a brand new airport? in Bekasi or somewhere else? If so, why don't they plan accordingly way before deciding where to build.

Something, I don't understand here, we are talking about --supposed to be-- the biggest and busiest airport in the country. Isn't SCALABILITY first to be considered? For 30-40 years not 10-20 years like this.

But David, nothing personal against you, it's even you who give me insight and makes me realize that we're probably seeing our airport un-extentable.

I surely believe not just 10 years from now, but within 4 or 5 years from now, Jakarta need to build a new airport. To accomodate 30-40 million passengers from 23 millions passengers currently.

Well, when you remember when CGK was 1st opened, especially terminal 2. It was like a white elephant. Its big and not too many people/passengers. Something that they dont expect to be like this today. Especially at that time, the airlines policy is still not as deregulate as today.

Then, After the Suharto fall, we see the airlines deregulation policy which lead to airlines booming in the country. Leading to a booming in passengers growth and massive cargo growth because of the getting better economic situation in Indonesia.

I myself, want to see a third airport in jakarta rather than packing it into CGK airport. so i kinda support your idea to build a new airport somewhere near CGK and far away from residential area, so then we can extend and maybe build a bigger airport therefore in the future, CGK airport/operational can merge into that airport.


cheers

Singapore's Tiger Air to Commence Flights to Indonesia

JAKARTA, April 28 Asia Pulse - Singapore's budget airline Tiger Air has secured a license to offer flights to Indonesia.
Tiger Air plans to use Airbus A320 aircraft with a 180-seat capacity to serve the Singapore-Padang route starting May 119.

The airline already serves routes to Thailand, Macau, Vietnam and the Philippines, its Chief Executive Officer Tony Davis said here on Wednesday.

Other low tariff airlines AirAsia and Valuair already have the license to fly to the country.

Tony said Tiger Air, which is 49 per cent owned by Singapore Airlines, operates four Airbus A320 aircraft serving nine routes in Southeast Asia. It started operation on Sept. 2004.

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http://www.kkppi.go.id/toCD/projects/image/airport.gif
http://www.kkppi.go.id/toCD/projects/image/SHterminal.jpg
http://www.kkppi.go.id/toCD/projects/image/kualanamu.jpg
http://www.kkppi.go.id/toCD/projects/image/lombok.jpg

Is the Airport in West Sumatra done? Any Pics?

Singapore's Tiger Air to Commence Flights to Indonesia

JAKARTA, April 28 Asia Pulse - Singapore's budget airline Tiger Air has secured a license to offer flights to Indonesia.
Tiger Air plans to use Airbus A320 aircraft with a 180-seat capacity to serve the Singapore-Padang route starting May 119.

The airline already serves routes to Thailand, Macau, Vietnam and the Philippines, its Chief Executive Officer Tony Davis said here on Wednesday.

Other low tariff airlines AirAsia and Valuair already have the license to fly to the country.

Tony said Tiger Air, which is 49 per cent owned by Singapore Airlines, operates four Airbus A320 aircraft serving nine routes in Southeast Asia. It started operation on Sept. 2004.


How about AWAIR, they allowed to land in Singapore or not now? If not, I'll say: Do not give Tiger air permission to land in Indonesia.

When you take a look at the building in the middle of T1 and T2 of CGK, thats actually a shopping mall and hotel project, which in the future will connect T1 to T2.

How about AWAIR, they allowed to land in Singapore or not now? If not, I'll say: Do not give Tiger air permission to land in Indonesia.

What funny is the CAAS allowed other Indonesian airlines to land in Changi but not AWair. The result is AWair dropped their plan to open jakarta singapore route.

cheers

What is CAAS, David?

CAAS is the civil Aviation authority of Singapore.

Btw while i remember, do you think CGK airport need a shopping mall?


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Singapore airport need a shopping mall because the customer is there. Changi is an important hub.

I dont think Sukarno Hatta is a hub though... Indonesia have so many International airport. Even the duty free shop inside Sukarno Hatta is so quiet.

So yeah.. shopping mall is not that important for Sukarno Hatta.

Singapore airport need a shopping mall because the customer is there. Changi is an important hub.

I dont think Sukarno Hatta is a hub though... Indonesia have so many International airport. Even the duty free shop inside Sukarno Hatta is so quiet.

So yeah.. shopping mall is not that important for Sukarno Hatta.

I agree with the opinion ....

But we should force ... CGK as the Hub ... for transfering International FLight to DOmestic Flight .... what d u think ... ?

So .... It might need a shooping Mall ... ?

just a personal curiousity, anyone knows how close Bandung's airport Hussein Sastranegarata to Tol Cipularang ?

just a personal curiousity, anyone knows how close Bandung's airport Hussein Sastranegarata to Tol Cipularang ?

It very close Tata ...
But not the Tol Cipularang ......
You have to take another Toll Road ( Padaleunyi : Padalarang - Cileunyi ..... kind of Bandung Outer RIng Road Lahhh .... )

Then take the first Exits .... in Pasteur Toll Gate ...

http://www.che.itb.ac.id/iso/bdg-map1.png
http://www.tekmira.esdm.go.id/iagi/images/Map%20Bandung%20Jatinangor.jpg

@MAC: thanks for the map, that's very useful.

Is Airport Hussein connected by railway to central train station?

No, its not connected, tata. Its very close though. But with the non existance of MRT.. it is not tempting to connect them.

Yeah, thats what I am thinking too, shopping mall is such a waste in CGK. Why dont they just build a large game centre with cafe and billyards centre. It should be fun to wait our flight while playing timezone or billyards.

cheers

Why dont they just build a large game centre with cafe and billyards centre.

YES! That's a brilliant idea! I like it especially coupled with bowling alleys ....:) je reve

Ladies and gentleman...here is the new padang airport called MIA or Minangkabau international airport. Took from the air by M radzi desa.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/827177/L/

One have to wonder, what happens if there is Tsunami? The airport is very close to the beach.

cheers

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finally2 this is the time i have been waiting for jakarta airport going to be expand and renovated!!

I agree with the opinion ....

But we should force ... CGK as the Hub ... for transfering International FLight to DOmestic Flight .... what d u think ... ?

So .... It might need a shooping Mall ... ?

for me strongly agree and
cgk airport must be renovated change the skin type (don't like now the traditional style i hope the extension they did not put ...)
and put more shopping & facilities!

when u put shopping mall
1st reason is more people sure come jakarta as u know now jakarta more people to come

see singapore airport really crowded and last year over 30 million people just stay in CHANGI AIRPORT!!

THE WEBSITE:
www.changi.airport.com.sg
CHECK OUT THE FACILITIES AT THE AIRPORT!
JUST CLICK ON THE "ENJOY" BUTTON TO SEE THE FACILITIES AVAILABLE

WE MUST FORCE CGK AIRPORT! TO BE HUB!!

WE MUST MAKE CGK AIRPORT JUST LIKE SING CHANGI AIRPORT!!!!!

Now thats what I called 'thinking to the future' airport.
Padang airport obviously leaving many space for expansion.

FROM WHAT I KNOW SURABAY ALSO BUILDING ANOTHER NEW AIRPORT

CGK is already a hub for some airlines. For instance, Garuda, Citilink and many other.


Yes, Surabaya is building a new airport..I already posted the pictures a years ago...check out in this thread.

Encon, can you please stop using caps lock. While i appreciate your excitement its just not fun to watch.

cheers

It s unclear to me seeing the picture , what or how they want to expand CGK airport , is it the terminal buiding the gates or what is it actually ??

The terminal and its surrounding. including new cargo facilities and more space at terminal 1 - 2

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Guys I just heard some info if Semarang airport is constructing a new international and domestic terminal. It will start by august this year and will take a year to finish it. The airport will also use aerobridge, two for domestic terminal and one for international terminal. No master plan pic is ready, as they are now designing the building and start to tender the project in June.

So in my list, there are 7 new airport terminal ready by 2009 (all of them are using aerobridge) to join the current 5 airport already using aerobridge.

1.Yogyakarta extension (plan to finish by 2008)
2. Surabaya terminal 2 (finished 2006)
3. Padang MIA (open june this year)
4. Lombok international airport (2007)
5. Kuala namu medan phase 1 (2009)
6. Semarang international airport(early 2007)
7. Makassar terminal extension (2006)

If those airports are finished...my dream is fulfilled..to have all major airports in Indonesia looking very modern with aerobridge attached to the terminal...just like any developed countries airport....:) :cheers:

I am so happy guys :cheers2:

cheers

Do they A380 ready? <- this is like asking: Do they run linux? hehehehe

i think ithey are not a380 ready because a380 needs special aerobridge to support it like the new t3 changi or the new bangkok airport.

No airport in Indonesia is A380 ready. Since no Indonesian airlines will order neither any airlines with A380 fleets will arrive in Indonesia using their A380.

And Ksunarjo is right, A380 needs special aerobridge which is a double decker aerobridge.

cheers

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Guys, this is the Garuda's International route that I download from Garuda's website.
Has it reopened flight to Europe cities?

David, this thread has passed 500 post limit. Please, give us access to this thread even one day it is locked/closed.

Thanks,
tata

EDIT:

Image of a Garuda at Manchester Airport taken on March 1, 2005

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=790740&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-3D8%2FRE&WdsYXMg=Tnehqn%20Vaqbarfvn%20%28Oevgnaavn%20Nvejnlf%29&QtODMg=Znapurfgre%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28Evatjnl%29%20%28ZNA%20%2F%20RTPP%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Znepu%201%2C%202005&BP=0&WNEb25u=Yrr%20Pbyyvaf&xsIERvdWdsY=T-BOLT&MgTUQtODMgKE=%28Pnaba%20300Q%29&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=557&NEb25uZWxs=2005-03-07%2004%3A55%3A47&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=29137%2F733&static=yes&width=1280&height=970&sok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22tnehqn%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=49&prev_id=791540&next_id=790241

http://img178.echo.cx/img178/2628/mapint8uh.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Guys, this is the Garuda's International route that I download from Garuda's website.
Has it reopened flight to Europe cities?

David, this thread has passed 500 post limit. Please, give us access to this thread even one day it is locked/closed.

Thanks,
tata

Garuda's website sucks big time! I'm sure this has not been updated for so long!

Indonesia Says 'No' to Open Skies with Singapore
Minister of Transportation Hatta Says Indonesian Carriers Unable to Withstand the Competition.

(5/18/2005) Indonesia's Minister of Transportation, M. Hatta Radjasa, was quoted in the May 17, 2005 edition of the Indonesian-language Bisnis Indonesia as saying that Indonesia is not prepared to establish "open skies" between Singapore and Indonesia as proposed for implementation by Singapore for 2006-2007.

The delaying in the introduction of any "open skies policy," allowing free and unlimited mutual access to the airlines of both countries, is necessary, according to the Transportation Minister, in order to allow Indonesia's domestic carriers the opportunity to consolidate their businesses in order that they will be able to compete with foreign carriers.

The Minister said the not-for-now "open skies" position would be his position during technical talks on air access issues between Indonesia and Singapore set for late May. Hatta explained that, in his opinion, an "open skies" policy would cause the collapse of a number of Indonesian carriers, resulting in substantial financial losses to the Country.

Fear of Low Cost Carriers

Claiming he was only interested in win-win solutions on issues relating to air access policies, Hatta indicated that his chief concern was that low-cost carriers would destroy the marketplace. He said he may be prepared to consider liberalizing bi-lateral air agreements if a prohibition against low-cost carriers could be part of such bi-lateral treaties.

INDONESIA PRESS:Govt May Ease Foreign Budget Carrier Curb
Monday May 23, 2005, 2:55 pm
DJ INDONESIA PRESS:Govt May Ease Foreign Budget Carrier Curb

JAKARTA (Dow Jones)--Indonesia's government may lift restrictions on the access of foreign budget airlines, including Singapore Airlines Ltd. (S55.SG) affiliate Tiger Airways and Malaysia's Jetstar Asia (JETSTAR.Y), to domestic airports, the Jakarta Post reports.

Government ministers from Indonesia and Singapore will discuss easing those curbs during a meeting on May 25, the report said, citing Minister of Transportation Hatta Radjasa.

Indonesia has effectively stifled the growth of foreign low-cost airlines by implementing a ban earlier this year on landing rights for such carriers in the capital Jakarta, the tourist resort island of Bali and the cities of Medan and Surabaya.

These restrictions are designed to protect the market share of ailing national flag carrier PT Garuda Indonesia, the report said.

does anyone has the latest pics of minangkabau int airport?? esp the interior pics? pls post it, thx...

AFX News Limited
Indonesia's Lion Air confirms it will sign deal to buy 60 jets from Boeing
05.26.2005, 03:54 AM

JAKARTA (AFX) - Low-cost carrier Lion Mentari Airlines confirmed that it plans to sign an agreement for the purchase of 60 aircraft from Boeing worth 3.9 bln usd.

Lion Air spokesman Hasyim Arsal Alhabsi told Agence France-Presse that the company is likely to order 737-800 and 737-900 aircraft as part of a memorandum of understanding due to be signed in the US this week.

'The total number of aircraft ordered stands at 60 but we still have the option to pick the type of airplanes later,' he said.

The deal signing ceremony is expected to be presided over by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono who is currently on an official visit to Washington.

Alhabsi declined to give details on the financing of the purchase but said it will be mostly funded by Lion with contributions from a consortium of companies and bank loans.

The airplanes will be delivered starting from early 2006, he said.

He said the new planes will partly replace the company's current fleet of McDonnell-Douglas jets and will also open up new domestic and international routes.

bs/bjn/bmm/rc

:) very good news , hopefully others ( indonesian carriers ) follow.

wow i don't know that Lion air is that rich!!! :runaway:

Its not Lion air that is rich but its the backup companies and foreign private companies that supported Lion air.

Lion air is rumoured being backed up by singaporean company, financially i mean.

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Pembangunan KA Bandara Tidak Lama Lagi


Jakarta, Kompas - Pembangunan jalur kereta api ke Bandara Soekarno-Hatta dipastikan tidak akan lama lagi karena tinggal menunggu prakualifikasi dan tender. Apalagi saat ini sudah ada empat investor asing yang menyatakan siap membangun.

Direktur Perkeretaapian Direktorat Jenderal Perhubungan Darat Departemen Perhubungan Harris Fabillah mengatakan, investor harus mau membangun dengan sistem built own transfer (BOT) selama lebih dari 25 tahun sebelum akhirnya dilimpahkan ke pemerintah. "Saya enggak bisa ngomong waktunya kapan, yang pasti dalam waktu tidak lama karena semuanya sudah siap," katanya di sela-sela seminar "Rencana Induk Perkeretaapian Nasional 2006- 2030", Kamis (26/5) di Jakarta.

Menurut Harris, investor yang bakal membangun nantinya wajib menggandeng PT Kereta Api dan Angkasa Pura II sebagai mitra.

"Mengenai kesulitan membebaskan lahan untuk lintasan, semua sudah diserahkan kepada investor. Tahap pembangunannya jelas dan bisa disiasati. Misalnya, pertama harus menyambung dulu dari Poris ke bandara. Nanti juga akan ada shortcut entah di jalur mana," jelas Harris.

Menurut pakar dari Institut Teknologi Bandung, Harun Al Rasyid, peningkatan akses rel ke simpul utama, yaitu bandara, merupakan program strategis yang harus diprioritaskan. Sementara Direktur Jenderal Perhubungan Darat Iskandar Abubakar menyatakan, pengembangan jalur kereta ke bandara sangat penting dan sejajar dengan pembangunan jaringan KA baru ke pelabuhan laut, double-double track Manggarai-Cikarang, double track Tanah Abang-Serpong, juga double track Cirebon-Surabaya, serta jaringan baru di luar Jawa, seperti di Riau, Aceh, Palembang-Indralaya, Kalimantan Timur, dan Sulawesi Selatan.

Imbas tol Cipularang

Harris juga mengatakan, waktu tempuh kereta api Jakarta-Bandung harus lebih pendek lagi setelah jalan tol Cipularang dibangun. Jika tidak, diprediksi penumpang kereta akan menurun banyak.

"Namun, kami prediksi penurunan penumpang tak akan sampai 30 persen apalagi jika PT KA memperbaiki pelayanan. Empat tahun lagi Jakarta-Bandung akan diperpendek lagi waktu tempuhnya menjadi dua jam saja," kata Harris. (IVV)

Air passengers likely to decline by 15%, says INACA
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Due to the prevailing high prices of aviation fuel, the Indonesian National Air Carriers Association (INACA) expects this year's number of domestic airline passengers to decline by up to 15 percent.

"We project that there will be a 10 percent to 15 percent decrease in the number of domestic passengers this year from around 25 million last year," INACA secretary general Tengku Burhanuddin told The Jakarta Post over the weekend.

In 2003, the number of domestic passengers reached about 18 million.

Tengku said the prevailing high price of aviation fuel avigas and avtur would eventually force more domestic airlines to curtail their operations.

"As more airlines cut back flight frequencies and routes, they will serve fewer passengers," he said.

Earlier, media reports said that the industry predicted the price of avtur to increase from Rp 5,000 per liter at present, to around Rp 6,000 per liter by next month.

According to state oil and gas company PT Pertamina, the price of avtur currently stands at US$73 to $75 per barrel.

Pertamina spokesman Muhammad Harun said that the possible price increase in avtur was projected by stakeholders.

The high price of avtur, which mirrors global oil prices, has even forced two airlines to ground some of its fleet.

Budget carrier StarAir currently operates only four of its seven airplanes serving seven cities -- Jakarta, Surabaya, Medan, Balikpapan, Menado, Denpasar and Pekanbaru.

StarAir will even suspend its operations altogether starting in early June due to heavy burden of operational costs, of which 53 percent is spent for fuel.

StarAir's chief J. Temenggung has said that the decision to stop the airline's operations was based on its inability to balance income with rising daily expenditure. The airline will have to return its five rented airplanes, dismiss some of its 500 employees and probably sell its assets, he said.

StarAir's spokeswoman Nurwulan said in a statement on Friday that 10 investors had shown interest in buying the airline.

Likewise, Pelita Air Service has had four of its six planes grounded.

In stark contrast, however, to StarAir and Pelita Air, some other domestic carriers are putting their faith in the industry's prospects by strengthening their operations.

PT AdamSky Connection Airlines (AdamAir), for example will add 15 more aircraft to its existing eight by June this year.

Chief Executive Officer Gunawan Suherman said in a statement that the airline aimed to own 25 aircraft by the end of this year. The airline will serve nine new destinations -- Banjarmasin, Bengkulu, Balikpapan, Menado, Tanjung karang, Pekanbaru, Mataram, Palu and Ambon.

Even more astonishing was a move by PT Lion Mentari Airline, Indonesia's largest budget air carrier, to purchase 60 aircraft from Boeing Co. to boost the number of its airplanes to 94. The delivery of the aircraft will be completed in five years beginning July 2007.

The move would allow the company to expand flights to Bangkok and several cities in India and Australia -- in addition to servicing current routes of Singapore, Vietnam's Hanoi and Malaysia's Kuala Lumpur and Penang.

Lion provides flights to more than 50 cities across the country. (001)

Bullshit. I think air passengers has been increasingly up. Look at the CGK pax figures, last year it wasnt even in top 30 for 5 months in a row.

Yes, there are few routes cut by some airlines, but its been replaced by a new airline starting a new schedule there. For example in CGK - SRG sector, where Jatayu cut their CGK - SRG daily services, which have been replaced by Sriwijaya and Adam air. Who both serve twice daily and thrice daily respectively since last april.

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Habibie comes back?
read this: http://www.gatra.com/artikel.php?id=84884

Habibie is already here for sometimes now. I think hes on charge for resuming the N250 project that has been stalled for couple years now since it last inagural flight back in 1996s.

why N250 is failed to get customers, I think its because the airplane is the first turboprop airline which has fly-by-wire technology. Means..its very expensive to sell.

Indonesian around the world should be proud with N250 though. its a major achievement.

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Habibie is already here for sometimes now. I think hes on charge for resuming the N250 project that has been stalled for couple years now since it last inagural flight back in 1996s.


Really? Wow, can't wait to see it fly..... Bravo Habibie!

Jakarta to allow SIA to raise seat capacity to Indonesian cities

SINGAPORE : Indonesia has agreed to let Singapore's carriers increase seat capacity on flights into Indonesian cities.

An official from Indonesia's Transport Ministry says SIA will be allowed to raise capacity by 15 percent.
The move comes less than a week after both sides met to discuss easing landing restrictions.

Commuters can soon expect more flights into Indonesian cities like Bali, Jakarta and Denpasar.

Currently, SIA handles 154 flights to Jakarta and Denpasar weekly.

This is set to go up as transport officials from Indonesia and Singapore continue to iron out details of the in-principle agreement to expand air rights.

In exchange, Indonesia has stated its intention of having more fifth freedom rights, meaning more flights making a stopover in Singapore en route from Indonesia to other destinations.

Analysts predict the increased capacity won't be much of a factor in SIA's bottom line.

Said Christopher Sanda, airline analyst at DBS Vickers Securities, "What is interesting is what's not in the announcement, which is the additional capacity for other airlines, like Valuair, or Tiger Air."

That is because Indonesia had been restricting landing rights to the fast-expanding Asian budget carriers to protect its national carrier Garuda.

The Indonesian carrier had posted a first-quarter loss of S$14.6 million, nearly double its loss in 2004.

Said Mr Sanda, "Implicit is that the Indonesian government sees SIA as less of a threat in the sense that SIA serves a high-end market, high-end leisure travellers and business travellers. The Indonesians love to see those people come to Bali, Jakarta. However, what they don't want to see is lose their bread and butter flights to all over Indonesia for all the destinations to Indonesia."

A SIA spokesperson said the company would not comment on this latest development because it is a government-to-government agreement.

He added that it was an in-principal agreement and not a formal one, but they were also expecting the deal to be signed soon. - CNA /ct

Indonesian around the world should be proud with N250 though. its a major achievement.

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To think that we produced that marvel nearly 10 years ago!! Makes us think, what could we have produced now if it wasn't for the economic crisis? We'd be in the frontline of aviation R&D in Asia....
hmmmm

Yeah, I heard that after N250, Indonesia would go with the new project called N2130, which is a medium body jet. To compete with Boeing and Airbus. But it was cancelled due to financial crisis.

Btw, PT DI also contributing in A380 super jumbo project. the wing component is made in Indonesia :)

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Dear All,
Anyone here confused and don't know where to invest your money ....

My colleage is looking for an investor in Airline Industry ..... ( Airliner to be precised ) .....Interested ? PM me ....

David , ... you maybe know someone interested ?

Thanks ...

Mac

Mac, I can give you several names of people who might be interested. But i need to call them first, make sure if they still interested. Most of them are aviation experts and former pilots.

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Govt makes all airlines raise fares

JAKARTA (JP): The Ministry of Transportation will raise the minimum ticket fares for domestic destinations next week to prevent liberalized competition in the country's airline industry.

Minister of Transportation Hatta Radjasa said the fare increase was likely to be in the range of at least around 10 percent from the current average of some Rp 265,000 (about US$28) -- a per hour/passenger cost of at least Rp 285,000.

"Aside from adjusting for the rise in fuel prices, the increase is also aimed at preventing 'unfair' competition in the industry. There are some airlines willing to 'dump' their fares to get more passengers," said Hatta on Thursday.

He said that the practices of dumping ticket fares would trigger price wars between airlines, which would eventually bankrupt many, since the fares that some are willing to offer to passengers would not cover operational costs.

The initiative to increase the fares was taken after domestic airlines incurred higher operational costs due primarily to the rise in fuel prices. (Ren/*)

Cathay adds RI-China flights
ID Nugroho, The Jakarta Post, Surabaya

Citing the market potential, Asia's top carrier, Cathay Pacific, will serve more flights connecting cities in Indonesia and China starting July 4, company executives say.

"The new routes we plan to serve are flights from Jakarta, Surabaya and Denpasar to China's industrial town of Shanghai," Cathay's Southeast Asia regional manager Patrick Yeung said late on Friday during a press briefing in Surabaya.

The new flights, which will all connect through Hong Kong, will add to the existing Surabaya-Hong Kong route the carrier has served since 1995. The press briefing on Friday was held to mark the 10th anniversary of the Surabaya-Hong Kong route.

Yeung said the company was upbeat the move would be welcomed by tourists and business travelers in both nations.

"The flows of cargo should also get a good response," Yeung said, sounding an optimistic note.

After 10 years, the company says it has flown some 491,000 Indonesians from Surabaya to Hong Kong, in addition to the shipment of about 26,000 ton of cargo.

Richard Reed, Cathay Pacific's country manager in Indonesia, also painted an upbeat outlook despite the continued high price of jet fuel.

"(High fuel prices) will eventually push carriers to increase their retail ticket fares, although I do not think this will significantly reduce passengers," said Reed.

He pointed to the Surabaya-Hong Kong service as an example. "It's been 10 years now, and we're still looking good."

Great news guys, I read today article in Angkasa magazine, Juanda terminal 2 will open in may 2006 not december 2006 as previously stated.

You guys should buy the latest angkasa magazine, there is awesome picture of terminal 2 juanda surabaya. with 11 aerobridges. :)


Anyway for macgyver, I already asked my friends and he want me to ask you, how much money your friend willing to spend? he says At least you have to spend no less than $10 Million. Airlines with only 2 or 3 planes are not going to work these days.

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guys, is it true that Lufthansa is now flying non-stop Frankfurt-Jakarta (without stoping in Singapore)?

tata

David, can you do me a favor? Scan the pics and post it online! *grinz*

I cant wait for Juanda terminal 2 to open. It would be so cool!

Wasn't there some development happening in Palembang Sultan Badaruddin airport? Does anyone have any pics or news??

guys, is it true that Lufthansa is now flying non-stop Frankfurt-Jakarta (without stoping in Singapore)?

AFAIK, Yes but they re-route the schedule via Bangkok instead.


Wasn't there some development happening in Palembang Sultan Badaruddin airport? Does anyone have any pics or news??

I havent heard anything from Palembang, maybe its just small renovation. So far only Padang and Medan which will have brand new airport in Sumatra.

David, can you do me a favor? Scan the pics and post it online! *grinz*

I can send you the copy of the magazine if you want too, just send me your address. :)

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AFAIK, Yes but they re-route the schedule via Bangkok instead.


Really? What's the reason?



I can send you the copy of the magazine if you want too, just send me your address. :)
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Can you send me 1 also? ;)

Really? What's the reason?

Better timing and connectivity for passengers to FRA and other europe destination. Their load factor between SIN to CGK was quite good though.


Can you send me 1 also?

I do my best, I only have one magazine and i am getting bored with it. Maybe after Fir3blaze read it, then he can send you the copy. Good idea?

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Yay! Skyscrapper City have a new project: The Travelling Magazine. If happen that magazine fall to your hand, you are OBLIGED to shot that magazine with a building in your city as a background. Sound like a plan? hehehehe

Just kidding. But it will be cool though.

Yay! Skyscrapper City have a new project: The Travelling Magazine. If happen that magazine fall to your hand, you are OBLIGED to shot that magazine with a building in your city as a background. Sound like a plan? hehehehe

Just kidding. But it will be cool though.

Hei, that's a good idea! David send it to me now :D

Haha, I like the idea, but tata it will be better if i send it to Fir3blaze 1st, looking at the distance prox.

so CGK - SIN - GENEVA :lol:

Gimme your address fir3blaze.

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Haha, I like the idea, but tata it will be better if i send it to Fir3blaze 1st, looking at the distance prox.

so CGK - SIN - GENEVA :lol:

Gimme your address fir3blaze.

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LOL, that means Fireblaze who pays courier from SIN-Geneva, quite expensive ;)

David, I'm going to create new thread '[Indonesia] Aviation and airport thread part II' since this one already more than 500 posts. OK?

David, this thread has not been moved to SSC archive. It can get deleted soon.