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Wolves unveil plans for potential 50,000+ Molineux

Wolves have unveiled exciting plans for a £40million redevelopment of Molineux which would take its capacity to 36,000 in time for the start of the 2014/15 season.

The project, which will be submitted for local authority approval in late July, was made public to local residents for the first time on Thursday night as part of a consultation meeting.

The club's vision comprises of four phases, although planning permission will only initially be sought for the first three phases.

Chief executive Jez Moxey said: "These plans represent an exciting vision for the redevelopment of Molineux, which our chairman Steve Morgan had when he first acquired the club in 2007.

"His commitment to Wolves and his investment has helped us develop both on and off the field, culminating in the team retaining its Premier League status for the coming season."

Phase one is scheduled to start with the demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand at the end of the forthcoming season, with a state-of-the art two-tier structure constructed that extends into the open corner of the Steve Bull Stand - starting a stadium bowl design.

Phase two will then see a new two-tier Steve Bull Stand built over the course of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 seasons in time for the start of 2014/15 - taking Molineux's capacity from 29,303 to 36,000.

Phases three and four respectively, which are subject to supporter demand and not included in the £40m figure, would see the Jack Harris Stand regenerated to match the first two stands and take capacity to around 38,000.

With early plans also drafted to possibly redevelop the Billy Wright Stand to take the figure up to 50,000.

Importantly, Moxey insists the money set aside for the initial stage of the plans is ring-fenced and will not affect manager Mick McCarthy's transfer budget as he looks to keep Wolves in the Barclays Premier League.

Moxey went on to stress the club's focus remains "all about the football" and firmly on building a squad capable of keeping the Black Country club in the top flight.

Capacity will naturally decrease while the proposed building work is undertaken, with plans being drawn up to cater for fans being moving around, but all other options in relation to building a new stadium and relocating elsewhere were exhausted.

And, with Wanderers having recently been granted a 999-year lease for Molineux from Wolverhampton City Council, chairman Morgan is determined to build a stadium that not only increases revenue but improves facilities and the overall matchday experience for supporters - with fans being brought as close as possible to the pitch to create an intimidating atmosphere.














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Molineux’s redevelopment into a 40,000-seater stadium took a leap forward today as Wolves were given a 999-year lease on the ground.

The club had asked Wolverhampton City Council for the freehold of the land to progress plans to expand the existing 29,300 capacity, with a hotel and conference centre among the options.

The council did not want to grant the freehold in order to ensure there must always be a football pitch at Molineux.

Details have yet to emerge on Wolves’ expansion plans.

But today council leader Neville Patten revealed the club was planning to invest £40 million in improving the stadium and surrounding area, with early proposals including a hotel and conference rooms.

He said club chief executive Jez Moxey had told him of the proposals at a meeting yesterday.

“Jez has praised Wolverhampton and said Wolves are looking to spend £40m. I understand they’re in talks with the University over buying some land at the back of Molineux as well.”

Wolves owner Steve Morgan bought Peal House, the former Carillion building on the corner of Waterloo Road, in January.

The city council last night agreed to extend the lease to 999 years from 125 years.

Councillor Patten added: “This means any developers who may want to put money in know that their investment will last.

“It also prevents the stadium from being moved out of the city centre.”

ATTENDANCE TABLE
http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

Team Pld Total Highest Average Capacity Pct

1 Wolverhampton Wndrs (14) 16 452556 29023 28285 28525 99.1%
2 Arsenal (3) 16 958414 60103 59901 60432 99.1%
3 Manchester United (1) 16 1196623 75216 74789 75769 98.7%
4 Chelsea (2) 16 664094 41836 41506 42055 98.6%
5 Tottenham Hotspur (4) 16 572384 36031 35774 36310 98.5%
6 Hull City (18) 15 365153 25023 24344 25404 95.8%
7 Stoke City (11) 16 433649 27598 27103 28384 95.4%
8 Liverpool (6) 16 690008 44392 43126 45362 95.0%
9 West Ham United (17) 16 537252 34980 33578 35647 94.1%
10 Manchester City (5) 15 677680 47348 45179 48000 94.1%
11 Burnley (19) 16 328380 21761 20524 22546 91.0%
12 Everton (8) 16 586016 39652 36626 40394 90.6%
13 Fulham (12) 15 360917 25700 24061 26600 90.4%
14 Aston Villa (7) 16 609579 42788 38099 42551 89.5%
15 Portsmouth (20) 16 294794 20821 18425 20688 89.0%
16 Birmingham City (9) 16 400524 28958 25033 30009 83.4%
17 Sunderland (13) 16 634582 47327 39661 49000 80.9%
18 Blackburn Rovers (10) 16 400063 29660 25004 31367 79.7%
19 Bolton Wanderers (15) 16 351237 25370 21952 28723 76.4%
20 Wigan Athletic (16) 16 285440 20447 17840 25138 70.9%

Sounds like an interesting proposal...... Is there any news about the format of the redevelopment, the architects involved and the costs? Will simply filling in the corners suffice to reach 40k (2.5k per corner sounds possible)? Also, given the comparatively large distance between pitch and front rows, pitch lowering may be possible too, giving approx 1000 seats per new row.

The fans will be brought closer to the pitch. That is a key issue raised by Steve Morgan in he's proposals.

The first stand to go will be the Steve Bull. It looks as if 3 stands will be redeveloped.

The two banks behind the goals to accomodate 8,000 fans and a new 14,000 side stand.

Some have said not all corners can be filled in.

I dont really know when the plans will be released but im guessing it be some time after we secured survival so summer I would've thought.

Found this on a fan site, obviously a guy just messing around but gives you an idea of how the filled in corners might look

http://www.jamesbrinkler.co.uk/molineux_corners.jpg

I also remember reading about them looking to add a second tier to the two end stands, i'll try dig it out but again it probably has nothing to do with the new plans now

I would think that a few more established years in the Premier League would be handy first. Similar to Reading wanting to expand before the drop came. From memory (don't shoot me), Molineux becomes quite deserted when times are tough. And those stats might be a little skewed considering they just won promotion last season.

I would think that a few more established years in the Premier League would be handy first. Similar to Reading wanting to expand before the drop came. From memory (don't shoot me), Molineux becomes quite deserted when times are tough. And those stats might be a little skewed considering they just won promotion last season.

Wolves have been planning expansion since 2004 but had to wait for a new owner to come in.

When does Molineux ever get deserted? Even in the 2nd tier they never drop below 21,000 at it's worst and generally always sell out the home ends.

Wolves fan base is huge. It's why they also have noticbly the best travelling supporters. They took over 5,000 fans to some 6 games last season and tried to get 7,500 tickets for the match against Barnsley.

If you want a fun day out as a football fan the Yam Yam army are incredible.

"Wolves were named ‘Best supported away club’ in the Championship last year, which meant they had the largest average number of fans travelling to see them while they were playing ‘away’. An average of 2,800 fans per game travelled all over the UK to see their team promoted back into the Barclays Premier League for the first time since 2003. It is no surprise to see this level of support because Wolves try very hard to look after their fans."

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They have also the sold out every allocation this season.

Just look at the difference.


Birmingham are looking to go to a 50,000 seater and they still have 5,000 empty seats on average per game and they have a had a great season.

They have also the sold out every allocation this season.



Wrong. They sold 1900 tickets of the 2700 allocated for the 15 mile trip to Villa Park.

Villa did however charge 43 sheets a piece for the privilige, so somewhat understandable.

Wrong. They sold 1900 tickets of the 2700 allocated for the 15 mile trip to Villa Park.

Villa did however charge 43 sheets a piece for the privilige, so somewhat understandable.

Ahh a new account I see.

Exception. £43 a ticket and on sky. Plus I like many others actually went in the Villa ends with mates. There was a call to boycott the game completely.

Still only the Wolves fans you could hear ;)

Can I ask why you've set up 2 new accounts to comment on this thread anyway? Do you not want to talk about the development? After all it will help improve the Midlands reputation as a footballing hotbed that it looks like it could grow into with all 4 teams soon to be in the prem and looking to invest.

Steve Morgan Chairman

"We're talking to an occupier who wants to lease (part of the stadium) and that would give us significant revenue. That would be at least a 15-year rent and would be a catalyst for stage one of our redevelopment, irrespective of whether we win promotion. "The redevelopment work will be done incrementally because the last thing I'd want is a 35-40,000 stadium and have it half full. The capacity would probably increase by 2-3,000 each time we did a stand."

So it wont be a rush job and a gradual expansion.

Hotel
Museum
Car Park to be included.

As a West Ham fan, I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Molinuex, (not least because I always have to look up how to spell the name :P).

I remember days in the late 80s/ early 90's standing in half of the old, and vast, South Stand, watching a match when only two stands were open. But I do think the remodeled stadium does have one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League.

If the above picture is actually what is planned, then I feel a little sorry for Wolves. Not because it would not become an even better stadium, but because people will just class it as an copy of the flatpack stadiums we see at Derby, Boro, Southampton etc. This is a shame as it ignores the history of the stadium's development.

The masterplan was created 30 years ago, and the first stand built was one of the first designed with an eye to a cohesive plan. Forest were the first to build what was then termed..."an Exectutive Stand"..with corporate boxes seperating the upper tier from the lower. However that stand was built horizontal to the pitch. I actually remember seeing plans that showed the completed Molinuex, from the 80s, and it is exactly what is shown above. So basically, like Old Trafford, Molinuex's masterplan my be finally realised several decades after it was planned.

Oh, and yeah, Wolves would easily fill a 40k stadium if they stayed in the Premier League. As for whether they would fill it if they were relegated, probably not. But then would City or Villa fill their grounds if they were in the second tier? Of course not.

Ecological, I have one account. Sorry to disappoint, but "bez" isn't me as you seem to think. I have nothing against Wolves, and I'm indifferent to whether or not they extend their stadium. I'm a United fan from overseas, and have zero reason to attack Wolves.

The reason I mentioned Wolves being empty was because I saw it on a highlights package of the Championship last year. I did say "dont shoot me" because I didn't know whether that was a regular thing or not.

Again, not here to criticize, chill.

Fix the title to 'Molineux' instead of 'Molinuex' please.

Can I ask why you've set up 2 new accounts to comment on this thread anyway? Do you not want to talk about the development? After all it will help improve the Midlands reputation as a footballing hotbed that it looks like it could grow into with all 4 teams soon to be in the prem and looking to invest.

Long time lurker, first time poster. Couldn't truthfully remember if I'd registered before.

Certainly not looking to pass comment on Wolves travelling support, simply stating fact. FWIW I'd absoutely agree Wolves travelling support is amongst the best - $43 a ticket might fly Dahn Sarf but certainly not in the West Mid's. Anyway....back on topic.

I understand the posts of many worrying about losing an iconic ground if redeveloped, but I'd have a great deal of trust in Steve Morgan following through on an iconic design and not some identikit stadium. Whilst Molineux in its current form would be missed, there's an opportunity to do something really interesting with the sites footprint here.

I'd be surprised to see this happen so quickly though - anyone have any idea of Wolves current debt? $10m? $20m? Can this be justified for such an outlay whilst there is such additional focus on clubs spend levels post-Pompey? Plus the new 2012 rulings on clubs turnover looming?

(Apologies for the $'s - not a pound in site on this keyboard!)

Wolves fan base is huge. It's why they also have noticbly the best travelling supporters.

Compared to who exactly?

Please keep things in perspective and stop letting your love of Wolves make you spout nonsense. Theres a good lad :) :cheers:

As a West Ham fan, I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Molinuex, (not least because I always have to look up how to spell the name :P).

I remember days in the late 80s/ early 90's standing in half of the old, and vast, South Stand, watching a match when only two stands were open. But I do think the remodeled stadium does have one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League.

If the above picture is actually what is planned, then I feel a little sorry for Wolves. Not because it would not become an even better stadium, but because people will just class it as an copy of the flatpack stadiums we see at Derby, Boro, Southampton etc. This is a shame as it ignores the history of the stadium's development.

The masterplan was created 30 years ago, and the first stand built was one of the first designed with an eye to a cohesive plan. Forest were the first to build what was then termed..."an Exectutive Stand"..with corporate boxes seperating the upper tier from the lower. However that stand was built horizontal to the pitch. I actually remember seeing plans that showed the completed Molinuex, from the 80s, and it is exactly what is shown above. So basically, like Old Trafford, Molinuex's masterplan my be finally realised several decades after it was planned.

Oh, and yeah, Wolves would easily fill a 40k stadium if they stayed in the Premier League. As for whether they would fill it if they were relegated, probably not. But then would City or Villa fill their grounds if they were in the second tier? Of course not.

i remember seeing a match programme from back then and the plans were 2 'exec' stands and 2 terraced ends,like a modern day highbury,i could be wrong though.I think molinuex is probably the best looking ground in the midlands but is restricted by capacity,drop the pitch first and then infill the corners.

Wernt these plans first mentioned in may 2008?

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I'd be surprised to see this happen so quickly though - anyone have any idea of Wolves current debt? $10m? $20m? Can this be justified for such an outlay whilst there is such additional focus on clubs spend levels post-Pompey? Plus the new 2012 rulings on clubs turnover looming?




We were one of the only clubs actually operating in the black until Steve Morgan came along, since then I haven't really kept an eye on the situation, so I don't really know. I would say that you could probably arrive at a ballpark figure if you were to look at outgoings since Steve Morgan took over. Wolves, ever since what happened in the 80's, have been careful with their money, so I would say that whatever debt we have (if we even have one), it will be managable.

Found this on one of the Wolves web boards - not sure if this is tied to the latest plans but from this it looks as though they'll go down the same route as the Westfallen Stadium

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/trcwolf/molineuxcorners-1.jpg

i hope they dont mess around with it too much,just fill in the corners and dig down.great old ground.

I would think that a few more established years in the Premier League would be handy first. Similar to Reading wanting to expand before the drop came. From memory (don't shoot me), Molineux becomes quite deserted when times are tough. And those stats might be a little skewed considering they just won promotion last season.

You're wrong about Wolves support mate. I'd say they have the second best support in the midlands behind the Villa, and they've always stuck behind the team even in the Championship. I'm going on my knowledge of their support in the last 15 years, but you can't even compare them to Reading. This is from a Coventry fan, so I'm not biased.

Yeah, since I made that comment, I've seen that Wolves used to average 40,000 in the 1950's, which were some of the highest attendances back then.

I wasn't comparing them to Reading in terms of actual fan base. I was comparing them to Reading by saying that they were planning on extending the Madejski if they maintained their place in the Premier League to 38,000 (a massive jump).

I'll take your guys word for it that Wolves can fill 40,000 regularly enough, but all that is dependent on Premier League status. At this stage, Wolves are far from consolidating that place. I think that was my main point.

Found this on one of the Wolves web boards - not sure if this is tied to the latest plans but from this it looks as though they'll go down the same route as the Westfallen Stadium

http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/trcwolf/molineuxcorners-1.jpg

This doesn`t look bad at all.

A fan made render below - dont like it as it just looks like another Madejski clone etc.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad255/macmanyoung/molineux_future.jpg

I think that's because they obviously used the Madjeski as a template for that fan made render!

Hang on a minute guys ...

We havent had a statement from anyone at the club as of yet so anything floating around is purely from a fans perspective and probably wrong.

This is the only quote we've ever had in regards to the stadium itself from 2009.

Licensing committee minutes state that improvements could include replacing the north stand, an extra tier for the south stand – and work to join up the east stand with the north and south stands.

“Jez Moxey [the Wolves managing director] reported that the redevelopment of the stadium is progressing but is still in the very early stages,” the Molineux Stadium Safety Advisory Group was told.

“The club will try to submit the planning application by May 2009,” the report states. “It is hoped to start construction by the end of 2009 or beginning of 2010. The development will be phased.

“It includes the replacement of the north stand and an additional tier on the top of the south stand.”


this is the east stand and south stand (the one which will get the extra tier aswell as being joined up to the east stand!

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A fan made render below - dont like it as it just looks like another Madejski clone etc.

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Another Madejski clone?

What other ground has seats blending into an end like that?

(OK, Slavia Prague's Eden does, but it's hardly a famous stadium)

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Wolves unveil plans for potential 50,000+ Molineux

Wolves have unveiled exciting plans for a £40million redevelopment of Molineux which would take its capacity to 36,000 in time for the start of the 2014/15 season.

The project, which will be submitted for local authority approval in late July, was made public to local residents for the first time on Thursday night as part of a consultation meeting.

The club's vision comprises of four phases, although planning permission will only initially be sought for the first three phases.

Chief executive Jez Moxey said: "These plans represent an exciting vision for the redevelopment of Molineux, which our chairman Steve Morgan had when he first acquired the club in 2007.

"His commitment to Wolves and his investment has helped us develop both on and off the field, culminating in the team retaining its Premier League status for the coming season."

Phase one is scheduled to start with the demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand at the end of the forthcoming season, with a state-of-the art two-tier structure constructed that extends into the open corner of the Steve Bull Stand - starting a stadium bowl design.

Phase two will then see a new two-tier Steve Bull Stand built over the course of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 seasons in time for the start of 2014/15 - taking Molineux's capacity from 29,303 to 36,000.

Phases three and four respectively, which are subject to supporter demand and not included in the £40m figure, would see the Jack Harris Stand regenerated to match the first two stands and take capacity to around 38,000.

With early plans also drafted to possibly redevelop the Billy Wright Stand to take the figure up to 50,000.

Importantly, Moxey insists the money set aside for the initial stage of the plans is ring-fenced and will not affect manager Mick McCarthy's transfer budget as he looks to keep Wolves in the Barclays Premier League.

Moxey went on to stress the club's focus remains "all about the football" and firmly on building a squad capable of keeping the Black Country club in the top flight.

Capacity will naturally decrease while the proposed building work is undertaken, with plans being drawn up to cater for fans being moving around, but all other options in relation to building a new stadium and relocating elsewhere were exhausted.

And, with Wanderers having recently been granted a 999-year lease for Molineux from Wolverhampton City Council, chairman Morgan is determined to build a stadium that not only increases revenue but improves facilities and the overall matchday experience for supporters - with fans being brought as close as possible to the pitch to create an intimidating atmosphere.

More pics below:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/27/article-0-09C95167000005DC-410_468x331.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/27/article-0-09C9516F000005DC-929_468x331.jpg

Couple of more here but can't post them

http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10307~2060544,00.html

Fantastic plans with a great look to it

And to think the club didn't even try and host 2018 world cup games! These are quality plans. Anybody who's been to Molineux will know just how well they will work with the extra tiers. The South Bank. The Kop that used to be the 2nd largest in Europe will now become 2 tier, but there will be a SMALL interchange step up from the current one, so it will act as a single stand. 8,000 seats that will hold.

The new mainstand. Billy Wright ... the final stand to be redeveloped. Phase 4. Would have to accomodate 24,000 seats to hit the 50,000 capacity. Currently it holds 10,000. That will be FOOKING MASSIVE. and VERY TALL. :banana::banana:

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Up the Wolves.

Bloody hell, 4 years. Looks great though

I honestly think it'd nearly look better at the end of phase three with the two open corners. I've always like Molineux and the redevelopement definitely keeps some of the character about it (particularly like the way the corners are slightly lower than the main stands where the seating area meets the backs)

Do you know if they'll be bringing the new stands closer to the Billy Wright stand hence making the pitch area smaller? (mind you nowhere near as big a gap between the new stands and the pitch this time round compared with the 80's redevelopment if they do!)

Bloody hell, 4 years. Looks great though

You have to remember. Wolves are RE-DEVELOPING. not building a brand new stadium. like our CEO said. They hope in the 2nd season of the redevelopment. Capacity should be 5,000 bigger as they will open up the lower stand. Come the following season. 10,000 seats bigger. Exciting times. 50,000 wowza! The Bill Wright will hold 24,000 SEATS? That would be the biggest single stand in EUROPE!

I wonder what Liverpool fans make of this. Steve Morgan wanted to by Liverpool. Now they cant build a stadium for the life of them.

I honestly think it'd nearly look better at the end of phase three with the two open corners. I've always like Molineux and the redevelopement definitely keeps some of the character about it (particularly like the way the corners are slightly lower than the main stands where the seating area meets the backs)

Do you know if they'll be bringing the new stands closer to the Billy Wright stand hence making the pitch area smaller? (mind you nowhere near as big a gap between the new stands and the pitch this time round compared with the 80's redevelopment if they do!)

Yes. This is already happening. Wolves are spending 1 million poounds this summer. The pitch has been stripped and is being moved closer the Billy Wright and South Bank. Moxey said you will be able to shake a players ahnd when taking a corner.

The new stands will obviously come in so they are right on top of the game. something Morgan was adamant he wanted due to the atmosphere he felt they generated at away games.

I like the renders and certainly hope it gets built one day.
Brace yourselves for plenty of 'Wolves will never fill it' type comments but for me, I will ask just this.......unless Wolves make it into Europe or win trophies regularly...do you think this will ever get to the 50,000 stage 4 or do you think its more likely to stop at say phase 2 or 3?

Looks great. Good luck with it.

And to think the club didn't even try and host 2018 world cup games!

RE: 2018. Only phases 1 and 2 will only be complete by 2015. And phases 3 and 4, which I assume would take a few years again, only take it to 38k. It'll be a good few years after that before it's larger than Villa Park. So it's understandable that the club didn't put the stadium forward for the world cup.

''It'll be a good few years after that before it's larger than Villa Park.''

To be fair I also think Villa's own expansion plans (redeveloped north stand taking VP to 50,000) will be well advanced by then anyway. I'm guessing they will go ahead with or without the 2018 world cup?

As a Spurs fan we have learned to live with the fact that our new ground wont be quite as big as our neighbours but will be better in may other ways so no big shakes really.

You have to remember. Wolves are RE-DEVELOPING. not building a brand new stadium. like our CEO said. They hope in the 2nd season of the redevelopment. Capacity should be 5,000 bigger as they will open up the lower stand. Come the following season. 10,000 seats bigger. Exciting times. 50,000 wowza! The Bill Wright will hold 24,000 SEATS? That would be the biggest single stand in EUROPE!

I wonder what Liverpool fans make of this. Steve Morgan wanted to by Liverpool. Now they cant build a stadium for the life of them.

Certainly very big, but no way the biggest in Europe. Old Traffords main stand is 25,500, and I think i'm right in saying that that is without including the corners, as the quads were only completed recently. I think Molineux's 50k target will include linking up the corners to both end stands, so I think it will be more like Leeds' East(?) stand - around 17-18k, which is still huge to be fair.

I like the renders and certainly hope it gets built one day.
Brace yourselves for plenty of 'Wolves will never fill it' type comments but for me, I will ask just this.......unless Wolves make it into Europe or win trophies regularly...do you think this will ever get to the 50,000 stage 4 or do you think its more likely to stop at say phase 2 or 3?

After phase two with it being 36,000 is probably a good acid test in terms of where they are with attendances (even phase three at 38,000 works in much the same way)

They seem to be going about it in the right way, there's no point in shooting for the stars and then find you've a half empty stadium week in week out (look at the likes of Blackburn etc. although you could argue a lot of that is down to the standard of football!)

I've read on the older thread that they're the second biggest supported club in the midlands so there's no real reason why the 38,000 figure couldn't be met. The 50,000 would only be looked at if the team themselves were successful on the pitch I would've thought.

Either way the plans are fantastic and hopefully McCarthy can maintain their status and use it as a spring board for bigger things

Any estimate of the prize for the 50k rebuild?

£40millions seems a bit expensive addidng only 7000 ?

When I say largest single stand. It's said from the Wolves fans parliment that the plan was to adopt a 3 tier structure that didnt include filling in the corners to keep it a bit unique. So effectively it would be a free standing 24,000 seat stand.

And yes. It's going up to 38,000 for now and be complete by 2015/16 season. But Moxey stated. Should in that time Wolves establish themselves further they will submit thier plans for Phase 4 during this period so It would be a contual development and be completed by the 2017/18 season ... in time for the world cup year if my maths are correct.

And wolves will easily fill 38,000 seats in the premiership. It's sold out more then any other stadium in the UK at 99.4% last season. Villa averaged 90.1% and Birmingham city just 81%. The city's support can easily match Newcastles and they have 52,000 week in week out.

I hope we continue our improvements on the pitch however and these plans roll out.

What we are certain of. Phases 1-3 are A-OK to go. :)

Any estimate of the prize for the 50k rebuild?

£40millions seems a bit expensive addidng only 7000 ?

We are adding 9,500 in phases 1-3, plus a sports bar, museum, new club shop, corporate boxes, hotel, and office space. Then the monster stand could go up which would iniatially take capacity back down to 26,000 during redevelopment.

When I say largest single stand. It's said from the Wolves fans parliment that the plan was to adopt a 3 tier structure that didnt include filling in the corners to keep it a bit unique. So effectively it would be a free standing 24,000 seat stand.

And yes. It's going up to 38,000 for now and be complete by 2015/16 season. But Moxey stated. Should in that time Wolves establish themselves further they will submit thier plans for Phase 4 during this period so It would be a contual development and be completed by the 2017/18 season ... in time for the world cup year if my maths are correct.

And wolves will easily fill 38,000 seats in the premiership. It's sold out more then any other stadium in the UK at 99.4% last season. Villa averaged 90.1% and Birmingham city just 81%. The city's support can easily match Newcastles and they have 52,000 week in week out.

I hope we continue our improvements on the pitch however and these plans roll out.

What we are certain of. Phases 1-3 are A-OK to go. :)

If what u say is true, then yes it will be an absolute monster of a stand! I too like the idea of keeping two corners open, otherwise it would be a great stadium but another bowl..

Wolves were bound to sell out more often than the Villa, as it was on the back of a promotion, whereas Villa have been up there for yonks. Brum have a rather modest support. Yes you are fairly big and there is more potential, but I wouldn't say you are in the league of Newcastle. I'd be very suprised if you filled >50k week in week out 'easily' after being in the top flight for a while..

I think we would sell out for the big games and muster a decent 40k+ attendance for most other games. Dont forget we will be able to accomodate more away fans too.

Im not fooling myself into thinking we would sell out 50k every game because we wouldn't but 10-12 times a season which would be terrific for us.

Great for Wolves.

Though I have to say that the architecture looks pretty ordinary. Not that that really matters, though. As long as the new stands fulfill their function.

By the way, does the £40 million price tag include the lost revenue while the Stan Cullis stand is out of action?

The architecture is in keeping with Molineux's traditions. It's brick and mortar. They didnt want another Ricoh arena or Riverside.

i like the picture with all the crowd stood up in the seating area,not daft are they?

Thank god not a "Allianz copy" again.
IMO stands are the most important thing at stadium.

But do the corners have fewer rows?

Hello all

New member first posting.

I personally like the proposal. I think comparing wolves with Newcastle is wrong better Sunderland. They have a Stadium which seats 48500 and averaged just over 40000 last season.

Wolves have never averaged 50000 in a season :-

Top five average attendances at the Molineux:-

1. 45466 – 1950
2. 43690 – 1949
3. 43254 – 1947
4. 39636 – 1948
5. 39616 – 1951

I would rather have a Stadium full to 38000 than have 10000 empty seats but everything really depends upon what happens on the pitch.

im very impressed with the look the molinuex revamp. i think that wolves are being clever building one stand at a time and not getting into mountains of debt building 3 0r 4 stands at a time.

i hope it gets to 50 k one day because it will not look like every other "new" looking bowl stadium but a old fasioned english square looking stadium. i think it will have a great atmosphere, it reminds me off a WHL as it is now, very close to the pitch

And to think the club didn't even try and host 2018 world cup games! These are quality plans. Anybody who's been to Molineux will know just how well they will work with the extra tiers. The South Bank. The Kop that used to be the 2nd largest in Europe will now become 2 tier, but there will be a SMALL interchange step up from the current one, so it will act as a single stand. 8,000 seats that will hold.

The new mainstand. Billy Wright ... the final stand to be redeveloped. Phase 4. Would have to accomodate 24,000 seats to hit the 50,000 capacity. Currently it holds 10,000. That will be FOOKING MASSIVE. and VERY TALL. :banana::banana:

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Up the Wolves. i would love to see a 24000 billy wright stand :) however after stage 3 is complete there will be 38000 seats which means that there will be 12000 remaining for the billy wright not 24000

I think thats fantastic. Its a breath of fresh air to see a club that isn't trying to win back to back champions leagues supported so well like that. I hope they get a 50k stadium and the fans get to watch them. But only if a huge ego isn't built around it like "we have to play champions league football" "big players want to play in big stadiums" none of that fairytale manchester city, portsmouth, leeds crap. Just a huge stadium, for a huge fanbase, who deserve to watch a respectable team steadily climb to the top flight of english football and do well for themselves.

I think thats fantastic. Its a breath of fresh air to see a club that isn't trying to win back to back champions leagues supported so well like that. I hope they get a 50k stadium and the fans get to watch them. But only if a huge ego isn't built around it like "we have to play champions league football" "big players want to play in big stadiums" none of that fairytale manchester city, portsmouth, leeds crap. Just a huge stadium, for a huge fanbase, who deserve to watch a respectable team steadily climb to the top flight of english football and do well for themselves.

Nice dream but that attitude never helped Newcastle or Sunderland. Basically teams will only go as far as the riches of their owner. It is as simple as that.

Nice dream but that attitude never helped Newcastle or Sunderland. Basically teams will only go as far as the riches of their owner. It is as simple as that.It's not exactly that simple, and only made an issue when owners are willing and able to lose money, which should never be the case. (At least UEFA is trying to curtail such largesse, but that's another matter.)

More importantly HOW a club manages its investment and development is crucial. Newcastle had the resources to at least sustain life in the top half of the Premiership, draw upon European competitions and exposure and use that to build for a bona fide title challenge. Spending over the top for the likes of Owen, however, wastes those opportunities, to say nothing of their choices for managers, development of personnel, etc.

Clubs that at least have the makings of a near-fixed 30k average gate usually have the market to pay competitive wages for all but the upper crust of athletes, and I think Wolves could pull that off, IF they stay true to themselves. Clubs such as they, Blackburn, Sunderland, Fulham and others can be secure and show potential so long as they don't reach too far beyond their means, a la Pompey or Leeds, and can do so without leaning on the owners' personal checkbook.

I think and hope, anyway.

Any starting dates for this redevelopment work been locked down by Wolves yet?

Any starting dates for this redevelopment work been locked down by Wolves yet?

judging by last nights MOTD they looked to have moved the pitch closer to the south stand already.

This has been given the go ahead. work to begin April/May 2011 as the season draws to a close. :banana:

This has been given the go ahead. work to begin April/May 2011 as the season draws to a close. :banana:

I thought a decision on that was going to be taken in late january or early february, as to whether work will begin next summer or at a later date?

I thought a decision on that was going to be taken in late january or early february, as to whether work will begin next summer or at a later date?

It won planning permission back in early December.

Wolves Chairman Steve Morgan will decide if the club want it ito proceed this year with Wolves announcing today that this decision will be made within the next few weeks.

Go ahead given today. All details at www.molineuxpride.co.uk

Phase 1:

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Great news for us at Wolves. :)

Phase 1 will start at the end of this season regardless of which league we are in. Capacity will be reduced to around 23-24,000. Once Phase 1 is completed capacity will be around 32,000.

Phase 2 will probably start around 2012-13 and see capacity taken to around 36,000. Phase 3 will raise capacity to 38,000 and phase 4 to 50,000.

I think the aim is to do up to phase 3 and 38,000 by about 2015.

Phases 1-3 completed with 38,000 capacity image below:

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LINK TO STADIUM REDEVELOPMENT WEBSITE - 100 DAYS AND 22 HOURS TILL START! :cheers:

http://www.molineuxpride.co.uk/

This is ideal for Wolves as a football club.

Phase 1 is from a commerical point of view. It will include a new football museum which is desperately needed at Wolves considering its vast and extroadinary history, a 500 seat conference facility, hospitality boxes and a new megastore.

Capacity will only increase by 2,300 with this stand.

Phase 2 penned in to start end of 2012-13 season, as soon as Phase 1 is completed will see the demolishment of the Steve Bull long stand. This will then link up with Phase 1 and produce a new away area in the corner between the North Bank and Steve Bull and will take capacity up to 36,000.

Phase 3 will then proceed in end of 2013-14 season once Phase to is completed. This will see the demolishment of the Jack Harris stand. Capacity fo this stand has yet to be decided. A lot of Wolves fans are hoping to delegate it into a SINGLE tier kop as it's Wolves most treasured area. (use to hold 30,000 in its hay day and was the 2nd largest in Europe) Capacity increase at the moment is penned in at just 1,000 but this is due to increase.

Chairman Steve Morgan did with the fans. One fan asked if the Southbank could remain as one huge stand instead of 2 tiered to help with atmosphere and... Steve answered that they are reviewing what they do with the Southbank and that they could well possibly create one big sloped terrace!!! Get in!

Phase 4 depending on Wolves location in the English footballing period will then see the demolishment of the main stand. The Billy Wright. This stand alone will see an increase of capacity by 12,000 more seats. It already holds 9,000. Would be a mega stand and this is the bit where no details have been released as yet but would take capacity up to 50,000.

Exciting times. Now lets hope we regain our Premiership status and proceed to progress so we can become one of Englands best again.
:banana:

Oh and also MD Jez Moxey stated that fans will be on top of the players and as close to the pitch as they can to try and become the one of the most intimidating places to play football. As you can see with Phase 1 the stand doesn't change much in depth just height so the fans may well right on top.

Does anyone know who the architects are for this scheme? Also, is there a breakdown of the costs for each phase and overall? TIA

Does anyone know who the architects are for this scheme? Also, is there a breakdown of the costs for each phase and overall? TIA

Phase One will cost approximately £16 million and will be funded from existing cash flow. If the Club proceeds with Phase Two then the total cost of the project will be approximately £40 million and Molineux’s capacity will rise to around 36,000. However, the Club stressed that the precise final capacity figure is subject to change. The plans for Phase Three have not been costed. The project has been broken down into phases to enable the club to pause growth at any time.

AFL are the Architects.

Phase One will cost approximately £16 million and will be funded from existing cash flow. If the Club proceeds with Phase Two then the total cost of the project will be approximately £40 million and Molineux’s capacity will rise to around 36,000. However, the Club stressed that the precise final capacity figure is subject to change. The plans for Phase Three have not been costed. The project has been broken down into phases to enable the club to pause growth at any time.

AFL are the Architects.

Thanks for that. Seems like reasonable costs for quite substantial work. AFL are a good outfit with a strong portfolio.

Phase 3 will then proceed in end of 2013-14 season once Phase to is completed. This will see the demolishment of the Jack Harris stand. Capacity fo this stand has yet to be decided. A lot of Wolves fans are hoping to delegate it into a SINGLE tier kop as it's Wolves most treasured area. (use to hold 30,000 in its hay day and was the 2nd largest in Europe) Capacity increase at the moment is penned in at just 1,000 but this is due to increase.


I think it would be a good idea to keep the South Bank as one big tier, bringing both the South East and South West corners into play.

They could add 2,000 where the second tier would have been and 2,000 in each corner, giving an extra 6,000 in total. That would take the South Bank to around 11,000 and take the phase 3 total capacity to around 41-42,000, which would be far greater for the club to do at this stage than 38,000. It would also make phase 4 easier in terms of developing the Billy wright stand and going to 50,000.

They would just need to take the roof off, expand the concourse and toilet facilities and maybe replace current seats I think. The South Bank is a better design than most other behind goal stands (in terms of atmos) as there are no exits at the bottom of the stand, they are all at the top end, so you get a mass gathering up to 3/4 of the way up the stand, rather than exits seperation and loss of atmos.

It would also keep Molineux that bit special, one still being at Molineux and keeping the name unlike other clubs have done, but also from a design and atmos point of view. Far too many bowls have gone up which IMO lack atmos and character.

I will send an email to the club with the South Bank one tier expansion recommendation and hope other fans do the same, if that's what they want.

Whatever the weather, it's exciting times for us at Wolves for sure. :)

Oh, one more thing, is it just me or would everyone else prefer the white roof spikes to be in GOLD?

:cheers1:

Did they recently move the pitch closer to the Jack Harris stand? Oh, and expanding/keeping the Jack Harris stand as a single tiered stand would be great to see. It would also retain some of the character of the stadium too, which is sadly lacking in many new builds/redevelopments these days.

;)

Before:

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After:

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Did they recently move the pitch closer to the Jack Harris stand? Oh, and expanding/keeping the Jack Harris stand as a single tiered stand would be great to see. It would also retain some of the character of the stadium too, which is sadly lacking in many new builds/redevelopments these days.

Yes they did that in the summer and it really showed against Man Utd as both our goals were at the South Bank. Looked good on MOTD. I'm a South Bank season ticket holder, but in the flank SL2, so I have to move when the away fans don't bring as many and they go in our place.

Yes a single tier South bank of about 10-11,000 with both corners filled in would be pretty cool.

Oh, it does look better with Gold spikes rather than white. Well it does to me anyway. :)
:cheers1:

Good work. Looks good. Might have something to do with its visual impact though.

What I would like to see in Phase 4 when they redevelop the Billy Wright. Is have large orange lights spread across the front facade saying WOLVES and a big Wolves head as the main entrance.

And as Morgan is a Liverpool fan. Be assured. South Bank will remain one SINGLE tier kop :banana:

Wouldn´t like to see this classic stadium change into just one more, but it´s for the money i guess.
The new reformed stadium will have two open corners at the end?

Wouldn´t like to see this classic stadium change into just one more, but it´s for the money i guess.
The new reformed stadium will have two open corners at the end?
That is unless a bigger one is needed at some point and then the main stand will be made from scratch, attached to the rest.

A 50,000 stadium - for Wolves..????
They are being optimistic aren't they?

A 50,000 stadium - for Wolves..????
They are being optimistic aren't they?
I dunno, I reckon it's a fair capacity to be looking at.

I mean the city itself has a population of, what, 250k? Then you've Dudley, which I'm assuming is a Wolves stronghold, with another 150k. I know they've got Brum/Villa/Albion to contend with, but if they keep on improving on and off the pitch over the next few years then there is no reason for them not to draw in 50k crowds - especially for the big'uns.

All ifs and buts, though...

That's a big stadium for a future Championship team. :D

I've come around to the idea of a 50k stadium for Wolves.

So the pressure is to fill the stadium up over the course of 19 regular season games. Well, let's assume for a moment that Wolves a) have a decent sized supporter base of their own, and b) will allow for increased away end capacity. On their own, Wolves can probably supply, on a regular basis, anywhere between 35-40,000 supporters in the Premier League.

Those who say "well its too big if they're in the Championship" seem to forget that any big club with a big stadium could potentially go down. There is no guarantee that Manchester United will be in the first tier forever; how will OT do in the second tier? (Bear with me on that hypothetical....)

The point is, Wolves can comfortably expect to sell out AT LEAST 10 of their games; games including derbies, fashionable teams, and teams who may make a return to the Premier League (looking at Sheffields, Leeds, Forest, etc). On top of that, the club is in the Midlands, which means its in the best position to attract northerners and southerners of visiting clubs.

I think its realistic to expect Wolves would sell out 10 games in the worst case scenario, and that they would be, at worst, filling 80% capacity when they don't sell out. I really can't see too much wrong with that. Would the stadium be too big in lower tiers? Of course, but there are few clubs that have the ideal capacity for every tier in the football league.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it looks like they will be getting rid of the curve in the grandstands. I always thought that was a feature that made this ground superior from a design standpoint. Why would they do that?

A 50,000 stadium - for Wolves..????
They are being optimistic aren't they?

Wolves V Sheffield United 2003 - 33,000 tickets. 55,000 turned up int he streets of Cardiff.

250,000 turned out for a victory parade.

Average attendance in Englands 2nd division. 23,700 over 19 years.

23 x 19 x 23,700 = 10,356,000 people through the turnstyles to watch lower league football.

2009/10 Wolves came top in percentage of stadia filled. at 99.1% - this season it's down to 97% due to seperation but still ranked 5th and behind only the big boys.

Wolves were named ‘Best supported away club’ in 2008/09 - nearly 3,000 fans travelling across the UK for each away game (me included)

With potential growth - reduced ticket prices - better facilities. I can see Wolves selling out 50,000 seats for matches against Albion, Blouse, Villa, United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham.

If they start challenging nearer the top even more so. Big IF that though. W

Plus. Merchandise. Wolves can sell their appeal if they start winning trophies again. Americans will love us :hahaha: The support is very young also for a major team plus we're fun so others who dont support an english team should join us :) :cheers:

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The only thing I can point out about those stats is when you mentioned:

"Average attendance in Englands 2nd division. 23,700 over 19 years.

23 x 19 x 23,700 = 10,356,000 people through the turnstyles to watch lower league football. "

Yes that is technically true...but then how many of that 10,356,000 number will be regular attendee's, season ticket holders etc.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Wolves don't have the potential to be a big club and the 50k number is fine, just that point seems a bit arbitrary.

A constant stream of supporters despite general unhappiness at a low league position highlights that with a bit more success the crowds will increase significantly.

Getting a constant like that shows progressive growth.

so will they be digging down to reduce the huge gap between the stands and pitch?

What's the season ticket waiting list like?

In a ground-breaking move Wolves have invited the Football Supporters’ Federation to the next Fans’ Parliament, to be confirmed for some time in May, to discuss ‘safe standing’.

Chief executive Jez Moxey has promised fans in the Jack Harris Stand that if they remain seated for the last four home games this season, the club will engage in a debate on the controversial issue of bringing a return to terracing, which was outlawed in England’s top two divisions under the Taylor Report after the Hillsborough disaster.

Wolves have been warned that the city council will reduce the capacity of the stand if fans continue to stand.

The FSF released a statement saying: “The FSF will be pleased to accept the invitation to attend a future Fans’ Parliament at Wolves to look at this issue in detail.

“The FSF appreciates the difficult position Wolves are in, given the current law and the requirements of the local authority.

“It also appreciates that persistent standing in seated areas can cause problems for those who cannot, or do not wish to stand.

“The FSF therefore believes that it will be in the long-term interests of Wolves fansto remain seated as far as possible in the remaining games of the season to avoid giving the local authority reason for imposing capacity reductions.”



Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2011/04/09/standing-invitation-for-wolves-fans/#ixzz1J2eot5ih

so will they be digging down to reduce the huge gap between the stands and pitch?

The pitch has already moved forward last summer. the new stands will move footings.

What's the season ticket waiting list like?

60% of the capacity is season ticket. 18,500. I wouldn't know a true answer but I didn't earlybird last year and I couldn't get one when I eventually got round to applying for it again. Spare tickets next season will be at a minimum should we stay up because it'll leave only 4,500 tickets available but 2,500 of those at least go to away fans.

Can someone move this into UNDER CONSTRUCTION :banana:

They have already started taking out the seats, and webcam is up and running.

http://www.molineuxpride.co.uk/wt/live_cam

Quite unusual expanding twice the size. Is this going to be adequate since Wolves hardly managed to stay in Championship?

Quite unusual expanding twice the size. Is this going to be adequate since Wolves hardly managed to stay in Championship?

"Phase one is scheduled to start with the demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand at the end of the forthcoming season, with a state-of-the art two-tier structure constructed that extends into the open corner of the Steve Bull Stand - starting a stadium bowl design.

Phase two will then see a new two-tier Steve Bull Stand built over the course of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 seasons in time for the start of 2014/15 - taking Molineux's capacity from 29,303 to 36,000.

Phases three and four respectively, which are subject to supporter demand and not included in the £40m figure, would see the Jack Harris Stand regenerated to match the first two stands and take capacity to around 38,000.

With early plans also drafted to possibly redevelop the Billy Wright Stand to take the figure up to 50,000."

Quite unusual expanding twice the size. Is this going to be adequate since Wolves hardly managed to stay in Championship?

As highlighted before. Wolves need to expand. Plus the stadium isn't big enough when it comes to half the games played at home in the Premiership.

Wolves V West Brom could've sold out twice over.

Absolutely flying the demo at the moment.

BYE BYE NORTH BANK -

Great vantage point. Not often you see a digger trying to climb it's way up a football stadium. :hahaha:

http://www.molineuxpride.co.uk/wt/live_cam

The plans look very impressive, shoudl look great when complete. I've been trying to find out, will the new stand be open in time for any part of next season?

The plan is to have 2 to 3 thousand seats available by September. The roof will not be on until Jan/Feb. Disabled supporters will not be allowed in until completed as the necessary certificates will not be issued.

Steve Morgan said at the clubs annual awards that there would be only 2 games where no supporters would be in the new stand.

hhmm good renovation but english stadiums don't care about facade and outside beauty.(except emirates and wembley)

hhmm good renovation but english stadiums don't care about facade and outside beauty.(except emirates and wembley)

Really?

Wolves very much do. Thats why we are sticking to our traditional values and history. It will be traditional build (brick & mortar) not cheap panels that are used across the continent to make it look futuristic.

British stadiums are very asthetic. But not over the top modern that you would find in places like Qatar. Thats not a bad thing.

Really?

Wolves very much do. Thats why we are sticking to our traditional values and history. It will be traditional build (brick & mortar) not cheap panels that are used across the continent to make it look futuristic.

British stadiums are very asthetic. But not over the top modern that you would find in places like Qatar. Thats not a bad thing.

With all due respect, I've seen a few English and Scottish stadiums and cannot agree one bit. As a matter of fact, the Wolves stadium will simply be cheap. I'm not saying it's bad, not saying that the facade will be ugly or anything, but please don't use the 'cheap panels' argument when talking about a stadium that - like the English 'identikit' majority, I'm afraid - is cheap. It may not look futuristic, but that doesn't define quality in itself.

With all due respect, I've seen a few English and Scottish stadiums and cannot agree one bit. As a matter of fact, the Wolves stadium will simply be cheap. I'm not saying it's bad, not saying that the facade will be ugly or anything, but please don't use the 'cheap panels' argument when talking about a stadium that - like the English 'identikit' majority, I'm afraid - is cheap. It may not look futuristic, but that doesn't define quality in itself.

Lol.

Have you actually looked into the planning documents and seen the materials being used and see close high defintion renders of the proposed re-development?

You do know our owner is one of Britains leading construction men also. I suggest you bite your tongue for a bit.

And Wolves are anything but Identikit.

Lol.

Have you actually looked into the planning documents and seen the materials being used and see close high defintion renders of the proposed re-development?

You do know our owner is one of Britains leading construction men also. I suggest you bite your tongue for a bit.

And Wolves are anything but Identikit.

I could ask the same question - have you looked into the documentation of stadiums on the continent that are over the top and covered wityh some 'cheap panels'. But that's pointless, you've shown an opinion, not facts. You're entitled to it, but have to accept that others may actually differ in their judgement.

And I never said the Wolves redevlopment is part of the identikit wave, just said these stadiums are cheap. So is this one.

The plan is to have 2 to 3 thousand seats available by September. The roof will not be on until Jan/Feb. Disabled supporters will not be allowed in until completed as the necessary certificates will not be issued.

Steve Morgan said at the clubs annual awards that there would be only 2 games where no supporters would be in the new stand.

Thanks for the info. Good to see a club "getting on with it" for a change!

The roof is coming off :banana:

I could ask the same question - have you looked into the documentation of stadiums on the continent that are over the top and covered wityh some 'cheap panels'.

I could list dozens.

But that's pointless, you've shown an opinion, not facts. You're entitled to it, but have to accept that others may actually differ in their judgement.

You are making judgement on what exactly?

And I never said the Wolves redevlopment is part of the identikit wave, just said these stadiums are cheap. So is this one.

How the fuck is it cheap. Stop spouting shite. You look like a donkey.

http://news.wombourne.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/molineux2.jpg

Maybe you should wait till you see some of the video's some of the fans got to see at the end of season dinner before you make ridiculous assumptions.

Molineux HAS NEVER BEEN CHEAP. and never will be.

And if you're that ignorant to think that because it's only £40m worth of development. You do realise that we don't have to buy the land? that the figure is for 2 phases? not the 4?

Do you know how much the Millennium Stadium was built for?

I could list dozens.
Go ahead and please show exactly the cases in which cheap panels were used.


You are making judgement on what exactly?

On the cost, exactly. And I don't care that you didn't have to buy the land, because that's nothing special - happens in numerous cases. I don't care, though fully realize, that this is not the full cost. It is still cheap.


How the fuck is it cheap. Stop spouting shite. You look like a donkey.

Right, forgot insulting other people is among your arguments.


Maybe you should wait till you see some of the video's some of the fans got to see at the end of season dinner before you make ridiculous assumptions.

Again, how many videos from closed presentations have you seen around Europe? Oh, I forgot - dozens, as you're a season ticket holder worldwide.


Molineux HAS NEVER BEEN CHEAP. and never will be.

I rest my case...

can someone post a picture off the webcam 'cause i can't get the cam to work :(

can someone post a picture off the webcam 'cause i can't get the cam to work :(


http://www.flickr.com/photos/63354402@N02/5764293080/sizes/l/in/photostream/

^^ thanks :)

Go ahead and please show exactly the cases in which cheap panels were used.


Have you got all day?

On the cost, exactly. And I don't care that you didn't have to buy the land, because that's nothing special - happens in numerous cases. I don't care, though fully realize, that this is not the full cost. It is still cheap.

My god. Are you really this stupid?


Right, forgot insulting other people is among your arguments.

Stop being a retard then!


Again, how many videos from closed presentations have you seen around Europe? Oh, I forgot - dozens, as you're a season ticket holder worldwide.

What the hell are you talking about? :dunno: What the fuck are closed presentations?


I rest my case...

Jesus. You have got to be the biggest idiot on this forum. You didn't even have a case!

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Would anyone have any photos of the previous redevelopment of the stadium to what it is today?

Lots of old pictures at this address!

http://www.freewebs.com/tims92/molineux.htm

Would anyone have any photos of the previous redevelopment of the stadium to what it is today?

I took this picture in 1993 facing the South Bank during a previous redevelopment phase:

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Roof support has come down today.

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http://www.molineuxpride.co.uk/wt/live_cam

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I'd actually preffer it if they stopped at that level of devolpment, fully enclosed bowls are ten a penny these days and while there not ideal for viewing I spose I'v always liked the side stands at Molineux.

Unless Wolves get a suger daddy to really push them towards the top of the prem I suspect that stage may well be enough for their needs aswell.

The final stand would have to accommodate over 24,000 seats to reach 50k so it would never become a bowl and that has already been highlighted by the Wolves board who want to retain Wolves traditions.

The final stand would have to accommodate over 24,000 seats to reach 50k so it would never become a bowl and that has already been highlighted by the Wolves board who want to retain Wolves traditions.
They already closed two corners, changed overall shape and made stands two-tiered (yes, I know it's a must in a development of that scale). So what is and what isn't a tradition?

No.

2 Stands are 2 tiered.

The 3rd stand is due to be single tiered. what you see of the stand furthest from you has not been designed yet. this will go through fan consulation. And POSSIBLY have a design so it can have a designated safe standing area if laws change.

It is traditional that it will be traditional build. Come on. Your on a construction forum.

I liked the old shape, could they not have expanded while keeping that?:bash:

Nevermind, looks a bit identikit imo, nothing special. Glad to see you're moving up in the world though, you lot deserve it :cheers:

I took this picture in 1993 facing the South Bank during a previous redevelopment phase:

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Really? So when did you or your firm copyright it?:sly:

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^^Cool :D

But are the seats too old to recycle? And probably place them in other stadium? Looks like they´re destroying them...

^^Cool :D

But are the seats to old to recycle? And probably place them in other stadium? Looks like they´re destroying them...

Who do you think wants to have seats of this undefined colour?

Really? So when did you or your firm copyright it?:sly:

At the time presumed convenient and appropriate; the privilege of unquestionable rightful owners and authors. Thank you for enquiring.

Who do you think wants to have seats of this undefined colour?

Someone who could just spend some money in paint cans.

No.
2 Stands are 2 tiered.

The 3rd stand is due to be single tiered. what you see of the stand furthest from you has not been designed yet. this will go through fan consulation. And POSSIBLY have a design so it can have a designated safe standing area if laws change.
I wish you all the best in changing the legislation for bringing safe standing inside stadiums (would love them here as well), but cannot see that happening, sadly. There's been so much talking and so little action about it.

As for the stand furthest - wasn't it actually in the official press release by Wolves that this stand would most probably have the current tier and then another one + roof over it? Come on, I didn't make up what AFL and wolves presented. I surely don't know as much as you do, but it has been presented two-tiered for some reason, hasn't it?

I wish you all the best in changing the legislation for bringing safe standing inside stadiums (would love them here as well), but cannot see that happening, sadly. There's been so much talking and so little action about it.

There are huge steps within England for the legislation to change. It has also been chaired at the House of Commons.

The Lib Dems who are currently sharing power with the Conservatives have backed it for well over a decade.

The club is pursuing it as Wolves have been threatened by the FA that they will reduce capacity should the fans persist in persistant standing.

The club have agreed to listen to the fans and have since held a meeting with those who wish to develop safe standing back into British stadia. The first time a club within Britain has done so.


As for the stand furthest - wasn't it actually in the official press release by Wolves that this stand would most probably have the current tier and then another one + roof over it?

Yes. It was also highlighted that the South Bank was pre-planning and not for full conditions. This is due to be designed come nearer the time. It was guesstimated that is what would happen.

Since the proposals were released the Wolves fans parliament questioned the South Banks design. Morgan reitterated it wasn't the finalised. It was a concept.

Quotes from the Fans Parliament when discussed with our Chairman.

the South Bank will take place at a later stage (they've already changed their minds from the three sided bowl design to keeping it single tiered. The club are also talking about terracing as an option depending on what happens in parliament (so expect an all seater stand then!)

Come on, I didn't make up what AFL and wolves presented. I surely don't know as much as you do, but it has been presented two-tiered for some reason, hasn't it?


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And no you don't know as much as me which is WHY I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN.

Morgan did say in the live online chat thing about the redevelopment that, due to the number of fans asking about it, that there is a strong possibility that the South Bank may just be extended as a single tier stand. As that end's plans havent been set in stone, not has planning permission been obained, it is certainly pissible that those plans may be looked at.

Also he said they may decide, after the Steve Bull, to do the Billy Wright to leave us with a redeveloped 'horse shoe' and the South Bank being last done. However i'd expect that not to be the case when push comes to shove.

and from the CLUB itself

Phase 1 - North Bank. Funds already available, planned, going ahead.
Phase 2- Steve Bull. Development costed and planning permission obtained. Not going ahead until phase 1 complete.
Phase 3- South Bank. Not yet costed, planning permission not obtained, plans still open to change.
Phase 4- Billy Wright. not costed, not planned at this stage.

There are huge steps within England for the legislation to change. It has also been chaired at the House of Commons.

The Lib Dems who are currently sharing power with the Conservatives have backed it for well over a decade.

The club is pursuing it as Wolves have been threatened by the FA that they will reduce capacity should the fans persist in persistant standing.

The club have agreed to listen to the fans and have since held a meeting with those who wish to develop safe standing back into British stadia. The first time a club within Britain has done so.
I really hope it does change, but it seems the support of Lib Dems hasn't done much over the years which I had unfortunatelly confirmed by the FSF some time ago.

I know about the standing 'issue' at Molineux and the stupid threats, but how would Wolves pursue the changes if the overall legislation doesn't change? I recall Everton claiming to go for that with the Kirkby design as well and what came out of it? Big nothing, unfortunatelly. Morecambe's Globe Arena cannot be treated as much of a breakthrough, can it?



Yes. It was also highlighted that the South Bank was pre-planning and not for full conditions. This is due to be designed come nearer the time. It was guesstimated that is what would happen.
Still, I never said anything denying what you say about the stand. I'm talking about what has been presented and how it has been presented, not claiming it isn't possible to change and not claiming it has been designed that way already, why are you so touchy? And rude all the time.



Phase 1 - North Bank. Funds already available, planned, going ahead.
Phase 2- Steve Bull. Development costed and planning permission obtained. Not going ahead until phase 1 complete.
Phase 3- South Bank. Not yet costed, planning permission not obtained, plans still open to change.
Phase 4- Billy Wright. not costed, not planned at this stage.
Does that make anything I said a lie? No. You are talking about something that you yourself describe as only a possibility, as open to changes, etc. I would support it all the way because I know the value of single tiers for supporters, but it's not decided yet...

Going back to the seats being scrapped, couldn't a club like Barnet have benefitted from them at Underhill? Not quite their colour, but at their level surely it would have been a help? Or a number of non league or local clubs could surely have benefitted from it? Hopefully they will be more inclined to help out other smaller clubs when they take apart the Steve Bull stand next year.

Going back to the seats being scrapped, couldn't a club like Barnet have benefitted from them at Underhill? Not quite their colour, but at their level surely it would have been a help? Or a number of non league or local clubs could surely have benefitted from it? Hopefully they will be more inclined to help out other smaller clubs when they take apart the Steve Bull stand next year.

the cost of employing the labour to undertake the work would make donating the seats economically inviable. the time that it would have taken would have held up demolition/construction in an already tight passage of time. i'm all for charity, but not when its to the detriment of anyones pocket, i t would defeat the object completely! Wolves would be better served buying new seats for a needy club, it would probably cost less than recycling the north bank.

the cost of employing the labour to undertake the work would make donating the seats economically inviable. the time that it would have taken would have held up demolition/construction in an already tight passage of time. i'm all for charity, but not when its to the detriment of anyones pocket, i t would defeat the object completely! Wolves would be better served buying new seats for a needy club, it would probably cost less than recycling the north bank.
Still, they could have done what some clubs do - allow fans to take their seats at the last game or during extra events that do some good for the community. It's been done many times in various countries and it's always good PR value + minimum (if any) cost.

The following is an extract from the Molineux Pride website.

A number of supporters have contacted the club enquiring about securing their actual seat from the Stan Cullis stand, before the demolition begins.
The club has investigated the possibility, recognising the emotional attachment of the seats to many season ticket holders who may have occupied them for a number of years.
However, there are a number of practical reasons, why, unfortunately, this won't be possible.
The seats are actually fixed as two separate pieces of plastic, which are only joined together by a number of metal bars, therefore making it impossible to give fans a single, intact seat.
Tight deadlines for the contractors, with work literally beginning after the final game has finished, means that detaching and distributing even parts of the seat will not be possible.
Fans are being warned not to try and attempt to remove parts of their own seats, with the plastic likely to snap and cause injury.

Still, they could have done what some clubs do - allow fans to take their seats at the last game or during extra events that do some good for the community. It's been done many times in various countries and it's always good PR value + minimum (if any) cost.

as a season ticket holder in the now demolished stand, i can confirm that an entire seat would have been too difficult to remove. and allowing fans into the ground with the necessary tools could also be seen as inacceptable - screwdrivers are banned from UK stadiums!

is this forum used purely as an outlet to bemoan every action by a football club? seriously, do polish people have nothing better to do than moan about the actions taken by the board of a football club in the west midlands? they're just seats FFS.

screwdrivers are banned from UK stadiums!

At football games... Things like that are also banned in other countries, just so you know. And still, it can be done by some. At Letzigrund some were even taking part of the concrete terraces they used to stand on, not needing stupid instructions that 'plastic likely to snap'. And guess what - noone died.


is this forum used purely as an outlet to bemoan every action by a football club? seriously, do polish people have nothing better to do than moan about the actions taken by the board of a football club in the west midlands? they're just seats FFS.
Since there's not much of a chance of any objectivism regarding this - yes. Now deal with it.

Michal you must bore your friends and family with your constant moaning and pesimism. You're like a dull, nimby.

On the side note regarding the seats. I know a number of people who broke them off, broken or not to take as souvenirs.

And Michal. Why do you talk about lying so much? You have been given defining evidence that the 3rd stand is NOT finalised yet now you try and dispute what you were originally getting at.

Make your mind up.

And as someone has previously stated. Have you not got anything better to do then moan about everything?

The only thing thats happened so far is the demolition of a stand and already you're on the case.

Bog off until the time comes for critisism! Probably when we start seeing the new stand out the ground. Then we can discuss properly.

Until then you're discussing matters which are irrelevant as they ahve no substance and full of what if's and plans that are due for change.

According to Richard Larkin (Buckingham Group)

* Foundations - W/C 13/06/11
* New Frame and Pre-Cast Terracing - Early July
* The Frame of the stand and concrete terracing has a 5 week programme.
* Seats will start going in Middle August.
* Handover will be July 2012 with all internal, external works fully completed.
* 3,700 seats will be available from September 2011.

:banana:

According to Richard Larkin (Buckingham Group)

* 3,700 seats will be available from September 2011.

:banana:
Is this the lower tier without cover?
Not moaning, asking ;)

On the side note regarding the seats. I know a number of people who broke them off, broken or not to take as souvenirs.

And good for them. That is why me and a few other people asked about it (of course I'm the only moaning one since I dared to criticise the fact that according to you this stadium will not be made with 'cheap panels' :P ) and why I mentioned that Letzigrund had its farewell with fans tearing it apart, somewhat like stadiums in Warsaw and Krakow. I don't find my arguments pesimistic - I find the Wolves approach towards it rather sad. That's where we differ and maybe we should agree on that instead of you constantly insulting me?

Btw - is there any source other than official for photos of the revamp?

Is this the lower tier without cover?
Not moaning, asking ;)


And good for them. That is why me and a few other people asked about it (of course I'm the only moaning one since I dared to criticise the fact that according to you this stadium will not be made with 'cheap panels' :P ) and why I mentioned that Letzigrund had its farewell with fans tearing it apart, somewhat like stadiums in Warsaw and Krakow. I don't find my arguments pesimistic - I find the Wolves approach towards it rather sad. That's where we differ and maybe we should agree on that instead of you constantly insulting me?

Btw - is there any source other than official for photos of the revamp?

yes it is the lower tier without cover. possibly not all of the lower tier but probably all of the lower tier.

for the record, i managed to round the rivets holding my seat number on and now have it as a memento of over a decade sat on the north bank. i saw many people removing the upper section of the seats - i didnt see the point in half a plastic seat, so heeded the clubs suggestion, and left it.

i for one am confident that our stone and rendered facade will stand the test of time far better than the externals of more contemporary designs such as the birds nest, soccer city & warsaw's new ground. one only has to look at contemporary designs from the not too distant past to appreciate how bad they looked shortly after. fortuna dusseldorf's rheinstadion, the astrodome and parc des princes spring to mind!

the now demolished north bank, although weathered still looked smart after nearly 20 years and had the need for progress not been there would have looked the part for another 20. us Wolves fans only need to look at the Steve Bull stand to realise that contemporary design can easily look terrible just a few years on.

i for one am confident that our stone and rendered facade will stand the test of time far better than the externals of more contemporary designs such as the birds nest, soccer city & warsaw's new ground. one only has to look at contemporary designs from the not too distant past to appreciate how bad they looked shortly after. fortuna dusseldorf's rheinstadion, the astrodome and parc des princes spring to mind!
Ah, so that's where I might have hurt you to hear that I'm moaning all the time. Believe me, I never, not for a moment, intended to make any of Wolves fans think that I judge your design (or what we've been shown in the renderings) as something that won't stand the test of time. And I completely agree that there are many contemporary/futuristic designs that will soon fade (not a fan of Warsaw and Gdansk, for the record).

Back at the beginning of the whole argument I only wanted to reply to the 'cheap panels' thing by Ecological as I really don't think such a phrase is fair in general. Especially that I still think your new stadium will be cheap. But I mean literally cheap, it won't cost much at all for the scale of the investment. And I don't need anyone to remind me why that is, thanks :)

Thanks for the info.

Ah, so that's where I might have hurt you to hear that I'm moaning all the time. Believe me, I never, not for a moment, intended to make any of Wolves fans think that I judge your design (or what we've been shown in the renderings) as something that won't stand the test of time. And I completely agree that there are many contemporary/futuristic designs that will soon fade (not a fan of Warsaw and Gdansk, for the record).

Back at the beginning of the whole argument I only wanted to reply to the 'cheap panels' thing by Ecological as I really don't think such a phrase is fair in general. Especially that I still think your new stadium will be cheap. But I mean literally cheap, it won't cost much at all for the scale of the investment. And I don't need anyone to remind me why that is, thanks :)

Thanks for the info.

if i hear 'cheap panels' i immediately think of cardiff's new stadium. but there are an array of new stadiums that use different solutions to cover their structures with varying results. Wolves are for the most part are sticking to what's tried and tested. it may be boring or unadventurous in the eyes of some, but is in keeping with alot of tradition that surrounds our famous old club and that of the area we reside.

for a project of this size, the sums involved do seem small, perhaps in keeping it simple the club have achieved this. Molineux will hopefully be a long standing monument of realistic aims, common sense and living within ones means. a far cry from when the Steve Bull (john ireland) stand was built, plunging the club into an inservicable debt and threatening the very existence of Wolverhampton Wanderers! - you see, us Wolves fans know a thing or two about this kind of thing.

if i hear 'cheap panels' i immediately think of cardiff's new stadium. but there are an array of new stadiums that use different solutions to cover their structures with varying results. Wolves are for the most part are sticking to what's tried and tested. it may be boring or unadventurous in the eyes of some, but is in keeping with alot of tradition that surrounds our famous old club and that of the area we reside.

for a project of this size, the sums involved do seem small, perhaps in keeping it simple the club have achieved this. Molineux will hopefully be a long standing monument of realistic aims, common sense and living within ones means. a far cry from when the Steve Bull (john ireland) stand was built, plunging the club into an inservicable debt and threatening the very existence of Wolverhampton Wanderers! - you see, us Wolves fans know a thing or two about this kind of thing.

Hallelujah.

Michal! - The stadium redevelopment IS NOT CHEAP!

£40m in todays recession filled market is very expensive for the amount of work taking place. You must also remember our Chairman is IN CONSTRUCTION and owns one of Britain's largest House Builders.

That £40m (£16m on the Phase 1) - (£24m on Phase 2)

Phase 3 as HIGHLIGHTED BEFORE (if you care to read it) HAS YET TO BE COSTED

Phase 4 THE BIGGEST OF THE PHASES which could see a 20,000 seat stand also hasn't been costed.

THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT COULD COST UP TO £100M.

Now that IS AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY. I have no idea where you are getting the CHEAP quotations from.

It's just been frabricated in your head.

Lets put this into perspective.

* Phase 1 - £16m (7,700 seats)
* Phase 2 - £24m (13,000 seats)
* Phase 3 - £16m? (7,700 seats)
* Phase 4 - £35m? (23,000 seats)

Arsenal - to build the Emirates stadium took out a £260m loan. I spoke to a man behind this project a few years ago at the Wolves/Villa match and he informed me that construction on the Emirates was weeks from being stopped.

Wolves are funding it themselves with ZERO LOANS. (at the moment)

Liverpool proposed new Anfield was originally costed at £100m then it spiralled to £400m and the scheme has been completely derailed.

Lille's new stadium in France at 50,000 is £95m - Roughly the same cost of Molineux complete redevelopment.

Where ever you get CHEAP from I will never know and will continue to disagree.

It's done with a budget Wolves can continue to succeed with and build off the pitch also!!

Unlike many new stadiums Wolves have kept it at the original site within the city centre surrounded by buildings.

If it moved to the outskirts (which nobody wanted) Wolves could've developed something outlandish also. But it cant at it's current location. It has to fit into it's surroundings.

Traditional build was it's only option. Cheap nasty panels ARE NOT BEING USED. Its brick!!

Hallelujah.
Michal! - The stadium redevelopment IS NOT CHEAP!


Ecological - I realize 40mln Ł is a lot of money, especially in current economical climate, no worries about that :) And I know it's for 2 phases only. But still, it does look like a very good deal when you see the cost of Falmer Stadium (didn't it end up somewhere around 100mln for a 22,3k seater?) and even some of the identikits, like Coventry.

And surely it is very cheap compared to other major stadiums on the continent. Lille's stadium is not priced at 95mln Ł, surely. It's 282 mln € (= 250 mln Ł), not comparing it to prices of stadiums in Poland, Russia or Ukraine - though we might seem to have cheaper markets. If Wolves manage to get all 4 phases done for a price of 100 mln Ł, it will still sound like a great deal to me. It's not fabricated in my head, by no means.

if i hear 'cheap panels' i immediately think of cardiff's new stadium. but there are an array of new stadiums that use different solutions to cover their structures with varying results. Wolves are for the most part are sticking to what's tried and tested. it may be boring or unadventurous in the eyes of some, but is in keeping with alot of tradition that surrounds our famous old club and that of the area we reside.
Same one springs to mind here and I'm very glad you're not following that trail. Of course there are a lot of cheap panels and also expensive panels, but your fellow supporter used this to comment on general European developments, that's what I reacted to.

Lets maybe try to differentiate between the ideals of a redevelopment being 'cheap'.

The Wolves project seem to be cheap in the sense of value. Most probably due in large parts to the fact that a building magnate in Steve Morgan is their chairman and owner, but nonetheless, they seem to be getting a favourable price on the work they are doing, so well done to them.

However, in terms of the way the stadium will be finished and look, it doesn't seem to be cheap and lazy, like many new places are. Taking Cardiff as an example, that looks cheap and soulless, whereas there looks like there has been a bit of effort into the appearance of the new stands to be built at Molineux.

So lets not overreact to the term cheap, and look at how it is used, and that goes as much to people labelling it as reacting to it.

I personally think that Molineux could become one of the best ground in the Premiership to visit, and hope they can see it through to completion. As for the Main Stand (The Billy Wright Stand?), I know they don't yet have any plans drawn up for it, but I hope they build a new stand here to compliment the other 3 sides of the ground and it is a stand alone stand, and they don't close in the last 2 corners.

Ecological - I realize 40mln ? is a lot of money, especially in current economical climate, no worries about that :) And I know it's for 2 phases only. But still, it does look like a very good deal when you see the cost of Falmer Stadium (didn't it end up somewhere around 100mln for a 22,3k seater?) and even some of the identikits, like Coventry.

And surely it is very cheap compared to other major stadiums on the continent. Lille's stadium is not priced at 95mln ?, surely. It's 282 mln ? (= 250 mln ?), not comparing it to prices of stadiums in Poland, Russia or Ukraine - though we might seem to have cheaper markets. If Wolves manage to get all 4 phases done for a price of 100 mln ?, it will still sound like a great deal to me. It's not fabricated in my head, by no means.


Same one springs to mind here and I'm very glad you're not following that trail. Of course there are a lot of cheap panels and also expensive panels, but your fellow supporter used this to comment on general European developments, that's what I reacted to.

the stadium at falmer's cost must be inflated by the purchase of extremely sought after land, the local council were involved in its purchase too - getting a lightbulb changed in a council owned property apparently costs £80 or something, so anything involving a local council has inflated costs! - unless it is Wolverhampton council who lease Wolves the land for a nominal fee - it used to be £1 a year, but since the lease was extended to 999 years it may have gone up slightly!

as for the plastic panels, cardiff is an eye sore, warsaw is fugly and had juve stuck to the original plan they would have had a classy looking ground, but what they are building wouldn't look out of place at legoland!

michal is correct. The vast majority of the identikit 'modern' bowl-type English stadiums are cheap rubbish. They won't last the course and Molineux is the perfect example. I remember when the main stand at Molineux was built and it looked so futuristic compared to what other 'stands' of the day looked like and it still looks OK. The other three stands look plastic in comparison and to see the pics of that 'modern' stand being demolished shows how backward the design was. It wasn't built to last.

Anyone who thinks Wolverhampton Wanderers can fill a 50,000 seater stadium every other week needs to have a serious re-think. A very serious re-think.

michal is correct. The vast majority of the identikit 'modern' bowl-type English stadiums are cheap rubbish.

Are you his love child? If you ever have the chance to visit places like Pride Park, Ricoh Arena, St Mary's you will soon realise THESE ARE NOT CHEAP!!! I think it may be that so many have been built you have got bored of them. Infact if you look at many stadiums world wide, THEY ARE ALL BOWL SHAPED you fucking idiots!!

Infact ... Those 3 listed as an away supporter are some of the best i've visited and I've visited alot!

They won't last the course and Molineux is the perfect example. I remember when the main stand at Molineux was built and it looked so futuristic compared to what other 'stands' of the day looked like and it still looks OK.

It won't? How do you know? Are you an expert? I'm pretty sure they have a longetivity of 30 years which is what should be expected for a football stadium re-development.

After you've said this i'm starting to think our Chairman who has made 1/2 Billion from CONSTRUCTION may not have any idea what he is talking about. :lol:

The other three stands look plastic in comparison and to see the pics of that 'modern' stand being demolished shows how backward the design was. It wasn't built to last.

Yes it was. The stand was fine. However the SIZE was not! You fucking idiotic do you want to be!! Plus Wolves want to implement a museum plus other rooms within the building.

And how do they look plastic? :lol: They are made from BRICK! Moron!

Anyone who thinks Wolverhampton Wanderers can fill a 50,000 seater stadium every other week needs to have a serious re-think. A very serious re-think.

Who's building a 50,000 seater stadium?

It's 38,000. with potential to increase to 50,000 over the next decade. S

Some people need to think before they speak.

Ecological - I realize 40mln Ł is a lot of money, especially in current economical climate, no worries about that :) And I know it's for 2 phases only. But still, it does look like a very good deal when you see the cost of Falmer Stadium (didn't it end up somewhere around 100mln for a 22,3k seater?) and even some of the identikits, like Coventry.

You do realise that the construction cost includes buying the land already don't you? :lol:

And you're on a construction forum? Wolves Lease the land and will do so for the next 998 years.

And surely it is very cheap compared to other major stadiums on the continent. Lille's stadium is not priced at 95mln Ł, surely. It's 282 mln € (= 250 mln Ł), not comparing it to prices of stadiums in Poland, Russia or Ukraine - though we might seem to have cheaper markets. If Wolves manage to get all 4 phases done for a price of 100 mln Ł, it will still sound like a great deal to me. It's not fabricated in my head, by no means.

Err you were calling it cheap! Without paying any attention to what's actually being achieved and the reasoning behind it. You have fabricated a false thought because you simply WANTED TOO!!

Same one springs to mind here and I'm very glad you're not following that trail. Of course there are a lot of cheap panels and also expensive panels, but your fellow supporter used this to comment on general European developments, that's what I reacted to.

Oh my god!! Please dear lord. Go back to your first posts!! :lol: Stop trying to turn it round now to try and look sensible. You're an idiot!!

@Ecological - Your forum etiquette leaves a lot to be desired sunshine.

There are different levels of quality in stadiums, just like everything, and the vast majority of these 'modern' English/British stadiums are like I said, cheap trash. Take Celtic for example. Just go and have a look at how cheap and nasty the three sides of their 'bowl' is and then hop across the city and see the quality of the Rangers stadium. On a different level altogether.

Molineux, Brittania, Walkers, Pride park, St. Marys, Hull - all pretty cheap and tacky. Then go and look at the Stadium of light in Sunderland, better quality. Look at how much the quadrants cost at Old Trafford and then go under the stands and see the quality compared to the lego-alike stadiums I named above. Different world.

OK then forget 50,000. Wolves will never fill 38,000 seats every home game neither. You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think they will.

:cheers:

I think some are confusing relative and absolute values here.

You have fabricated a false thought because you simply WANTED TOO!!


That is gold...and delivered without a hint of irony.

School night is it son?

Nice plan to upgrade the stadium, it's good for wolves and the city. Hope the team will get better in the future

That is gold...and delivered without a hint of irony.

School night is it son?

Nice new account :lol:

@Ecological - Your forum etiquette leaves a lot to be desired sunshine.

There are different levels of quality in stadiums, just like everything, and the vast majority of these 'modern' English/British stadiums are like I said, cheap trash. Take Celtic for example. Just go and have a look at how cheap and nasty the three sides of their 'bowl' is and then hop across the city and see the quality of the Rangers stadium. On a different level altogether.

Sunshine?

And correction. They are sustainable.


Molineux, Brittania, Walkers, Pride park, St. Marys, Hull - all pretty cheap and tacky. Then go and look at the Stadium of light in Sunderland, better quality. Look at how much the quadrants cost at Old Trafford and then go under the stands and see the quality compared to the lego-alike stadiums I named above. Different world.

How is Molineux cheap and tacky? :nuts:

It was built almost 20 years ago. It's still a great stadium 2 decades on and easily identifiable.

What are you actually trying to get at in retrospect? That this new development shouldn't be built because it's not some ridiculous sum of money?

OK then forget 50,000. Wolves will never fill 38,000 seats every home game neither. You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think they will.

:cheers:

You think so? I suggest you take time out being a numpty and post drivel else where. :cheers:

Nice plan to upgrade the stadium, it's good for wolves and the city. Hope the team will get better in the future

So do we!! :)

Hopefully spending big this summer. Need to sort out the defence desperately. i'll take any one of Dunne, Woodgate, Upson, Johnson.

Would like us to bring Robbie Keane home too and pair him up with Kevin Doyle.

Cannot believe i've just read Molineux described as cheap and tacky yet the Stadium Of Light painted as being of much higher quality! :lol:

Since it was rebuilt circa 20 years ago it's always stood out as something different, with a certain quality about it, albeit too open. That's an outsiders view, but i've never seen it as anything like cheap and tacky, that's a ridiculous assertion.

As for the above post, you don't want Dunne or Woodgate, Dunne is a dumpling and Woodgate, amazing defender but too injury prone. Johnson would be a great partner for Berra. You need a new keeper though, push the boat out for Given?

Sunshine?

Yes, sunshine.

The cost of something usually gives away its quality, especially in construction. Quality doesn't come cheap. Identikit off-the-shelf lego-alike stadiums are not expensive. There are very few quality stadiums in the UK, most are functional and cheap.

You're an idiot!!
Then please try and ignore the idiot for the sake of everyone. you're so enlightening that cannot build one single post without insulting people as a punchline, cannot take any criticism or reasonable arguments, you undererstimated the cost of a stadium almost 3 times (Lille) and claim I'm the one not knowing any values or 'reasoning behind it'. I see absolutely no slightest thought behind most of what you write so do me tha favour and stop responding to what I'm writing as I'm done discussing anything with you.

There are different levels of quality in stadiums, just like everything, and the vast majority of these 'modern' English/British stadiums are like I said, cheap trash. [...] Molineux, Brittania, Walkers, Pride park, St. Marys, Hull - all pretty cheap and tacky. Then go and look at the Stadium of light in Sunderland, better quality. Look at how much the quadrants cost at Old Trafford and then go under the stands and see the quality compared to the lego-alike stadiums I named above. Different world.
Come on - Sunderland? As much as I agree with most things you write, Sunderland is one of the tackiest and cheapest-looking venues of the PL.

Nice new account :lol:

Nope, been here some time lurking not posting. Funny, but you said the same thing 14 months ago the last time I posted an opinion that differed from yours.

Would you consider any of the following statements to be true:

a) You check this thread at least twice a day, insulting anyone who dares to have an opinion against the mighty Wolves.
b) You have very poor social skills - does this reflect in your life away from the keyboard?
c) Most who view/post on this board (myself included) enjoy your photographic contribution, but would be far happier if you posted without comment as you've proved a well thought out exchange of opinion is above you.

You have fabricated a false thought because you simply WANTED TOO!!

Apart from that one, obviously. I tweeted that and it went down well, so thanks.

Right! so those who call current Molineux cheap and tacky aren't idiots? Nor are they not wrong? :nuts:

Those who also call the new building cheap and tacky aren't idiots? despite it not even built yet? :nuts:

Other statments come to the fore with deliberate trolling techniques.

such as "OK then forget 50,000. Wolves will never fill 38,000 seats every home game neither. You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think they will".

There's being logical - such as putting things into perspective, having an open mind. Then there's trolls like you who simply come to stir and try and get a reaction because your life revolves around confrontation.

How many nations actually have top class stadiums for the majority of teams? Teams/clubs/professions normally have to build within their means.

England has 92 professional teams. The revenue for teams such as Coventry can not justify spending £300m on a world class stadium that it doesn't NEED.

No England games will be played there, no FA cup finals, no league cup finals, no play-off finals. Just COVENTRY GAMES.

Why do they have to try and impress their fans with an over the top ridiculously expensive un-needed asthetically pleasing stadium with 30,000 more seats they don't need that would put them in a financial nightmare and never justify the expenditure on a gold plated stadium?

use some logic. And that is why some of the trolls in here are idiots. Including you Bez. And if you're sad enough to switch to Twitter after here. Fuck me. I suggest you start getting a life.

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On another note. Alabro - Woodgate is a no from me too. Prefer someone a bit less risky in terms of injury.

A real shame.

You raise some valid arguments, but the way you choose to communicate those arguments will inevitably lead to conflict and eventual isolation from the vast majority on this or any other forum.

Excuse me, I need to 'find' my life on Twitter. Big kiss x

any (new) pics from the works

@Ecological
Molineux, Brittania, Walkers, Pride park, St. Marys, Hull - all pretty cheap and tacky. Then go and look at the Stadium of light in Sunderland, better quality. Look at how much the quadrants cost at Old Trafford and then go under the stands and see the quality compared to the lego-alike stadiums I named above. Different world.

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I'm baffled as to how you are lumping Molineux in with that grouping.

Molineux was largely built in the early 90's. It being the first stadium redevelopment post the Taylor report. It isn't bowl shaped, has no panelled cladding and is built on the same site as the old stadium

The other stadiums in that group are mostly post-2000, bowl shaped, cladded in panels and new developments on different (largely out of town) locations.

How on earth can you lump Molineux with that lot, it shares no resemblence.

You are right in so much as the reason it is being redeveloped now is due to certain design flaws. But these are with respect to size and upgradability. Bearing in mind that it was the first redevelopment after the Taylor report, perhaps these flaws can be forgiven. There was certainly no lack of quality, as many an away fan will tell you.

There is a great video on youtube of the demolition of the North Bank. I'll post it when I get chance.

Should see the structure rising early July. So got another 3 or so weeks of prep work for the main structure.

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Drove past on Friday and it looks so strange but i'm very excited about the future. Should look massive from inside too.

Hopefully Bassong will be keeping the new stand's goal protected if we are to believe rumours!!

One interesting point about this thread. No pics, just talk talk talk lol

Plenty of links to follow on the thread.

It's got it's own website with progress pictures and webcam.

Here is a video of the progress to date!

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Piling has begun on the eastside of the stand!!

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Foundations have started to be dug. 4 more weeks of groundworks then pop goes the weazel.

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Thanks for those.

Starting to see the structure begin to take shape. :banana:

Gangways are going up!

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It's good that they are improving the stadium. Its a pity they dont change the colour of the whole thing. I know the colour is the history, but it soooo bad taste. Eyesore is an understatement...Sorry to say. Its just my personal taste. what will the capacity be when renovated?

Such a small touch I know, but I really like the fact they have painted the fences gold ahead of the new season! Those concrete entrances look massive for being so far forward, surely they aren't set in place there?

Those concrete entrances look massive for being so far forward, surely they aren't set in place there?

I think they have been set in place.

Apart from increasing the stadium capacity and providing better facilities for the fans, the other reason for the re-build is to get the new stands as close to the pitch as possible to create a more intimidating atmosphere for the away teams. I think you will find that when complete the front of the stand will only be about 2 metres away from the edge of the pitch.

One of the biggest problems with Molineux in its current format is that the stands (particularly the ones on either side of the pitch) are just too far away from the touchline. This is due to the design of the stands. If you look at some of the aerial shots of the stadium posted in this thread, you can see that the stands are curved and not straight, thus making the main body of the stand a fair distance away from the pitch.

Oh I realise they are bringing the ground in much closer to the pitch, which is great. Always loved the look of Molineux, but it was too open. Just hasn't been many renders of the inside of the stands that I remember to have a look at where the exits are, don't like them so close to the front and breaking up the crowd close to the park.

Oh I realise they are bringing the ground in much closer to the pitch, which is great. Always loved the look of Molineux, but it was too open. Just hasn't been many renders of the inside of the stands that I remember to have a look at where the exits are, don't like them so close to the front and breaking up the crowd close to the park.

I agree with you. I would have preferred the exits to have been placed further back, preferably at the back of the bottom tier of the stand. It would look better and would allow more people closer to the action.

I agree with you. I would have preferred the exits to have been placed further back, preferably at the back of the bottom tier of the stand. It would look better and would allow more people closer to the action.

Exactly. Thats how ours is at Ibrox, exits at the back of the front tier and the front of the op tier, maximising the density of the seating blocks which looks much better when you have a full house. Are there still no more renders of what the interior of the stand is going to look like finished? It's the only thing i've seen lacking in the work that Wolves are doing, very few renders of the finished work, only of the outer stadium view really.

:)
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What a beautiful ground.... :-)

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They´re being quite fast :yes:

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Precast terracing arrived and now the first pieces are in place. :)
With the steel arriving every day, and now the precast has appeared I think we will see some major changes over the next 2 weeks.

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They barely waited for demolition to finish before starting construction. Everything should be this quick.

looks good. its nice that theyre trying to get this done as fast as possible

Games from Molineux on TV were, quite frankly, not very pleasurable to mein eye. Even with a fraction of the concrete terracing in place, the difference it already makes is astounding.

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Some pictures from today

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Some pictures from today

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Thanks for the shot's fella. I posted a couple of the UK forum thread too.

Welcome :cheers:

Cheers ecological, took some more today on my lunch.

Are you a wolves fan?

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Blistering along now.

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i dont think i have seen a stand go up so quick...must be on a hefty bonus to finish it asap

i dont think i have seen a stand go up so quick...must be on a hefty bonus to finish it asap

they want to get the first tier finished and open by september, it says on wikipedia that the whole stand will be finished by next july... with this rate of construction i find that hard to believe :cheers:

i dont think i have seen a stand go up so quick...must be on a hefty bonus to finish it asap

Once the groundworks are completed, this kind of construction tends to go up very quickly. All pre cast concrete and pre fabricated steel. Just a matter of a few cranes and joining up the numbers.

Great work.

Why do the rows stop at the left side of the stand and are the putting up that small wall up?

Why do the rows stop at the left side of the stand and are the putting up that small wall up?

I think it will be a viewing platform for disabled supporters. There are also spaces at the front of the stand that will be similar and will soon become more apparant I imagine.

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50,000? As if they'll fill that. They'll be relegated next season anyway.

50,000? As if they'll fill that. They'll be relegated next season anyway.

50,000 is in the long-term. :)

Phase 1

Demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand at the end of the forthcoming season, with a state-of-the art two-tier structure constructed that extends into the open corner of the Steve Bull Stand - starting a stadium bowl design.

Phase 2

New two-tier Steve Bull Stand built over the course of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 seasons in time for the start of 2014/15 - taking Molineux's capacity from 29,303 to 36,000.

Phase 3 & 4

Phases three and four respectively, which are subject to supporter demand and not included in the £40m figure, would see the Jack Harris Stand regenerated to match the first two stands and take capacity to around 38,000. With early plans also drafted to possibly redevelop the Billy Wright Stand to take the figure up to 50,000.

50,000? As if they'll fill that. They'll be relegated next season anyway.

Looking at previous 23 posts by you in 2 years suggests you've got numerous accounts! How sad. :lol:

50,000 is in the long-term. :)

Phase 1

Demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand at the end of the forthcoming season, with a state-of-the art two-tier structure constructed that extends into the open corner of the Steve Bull Stand - starting a stadium bowl design.

Phase 2

New two-tier Steve Bull Stand built over the course of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 seasons in time for the start of 2014/15 - taking Molineux's capacity from 29,303 to 36,000.
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So can I get this straight: the actually capacity will stay the same until 2014? It won't increase or decrease during that period? Is that right?

If only work was so fast in all parts of the world :(

Molineux capacity over the next 2/3 seasons will be around 26,000 yes.

With the completion of the new "Stan Cullis" stand the capacity will be 31,700 approximately, but this will be reduced to around 22,000 temporarily when the "Steve Bull" stand is demolished as this stand holds just over 9,000.

Paragraph taken from "Molineux Pride" web site press releases:-

The fans in attendance at the meeting (all of them season ticket holders) heard that ground capacity would be significantly reduced during any rebuilding; it would be down to about 24,000 during phase one and could drop to 21-22,000 during the Steve Bull transformation.

Does Molineux really need rebuiding? Those stands look fine to me.

Well in terms of being a "Need" to rebuild, probably not. Molineux was extensively rebuilt to it's current form in the 90's, but really the argument for Rebuilding is based upon Wolves aspirations for their future. If they really want to establish themselves as a Premiership club for years to come, having a higher capacity and more fans and money coming in is a bonus.

Structurally the only thing I can imagine actually wrong with Molineux as it stands now are the curved stands on the sides of the pitch, which comes off a bit as some 90's visionary architect with a tad too much time on his hands.

Molineux capacity over the next 2/3 seasons will be around 26,000 yes.

Thanks.

Does Molineux really need rebuiding? Those stands look fine to me.

For an increased capacity: yes. Explained above matthemod.

For the sake of a television audience: yes. It's the worst looking ground on TV; you can't actually see anyone. You may as well be playing in a stadium with an athletics track. Even with their fervent and loud support, it sorely needs closer stands to the pitch to make it look good on TV.

With the completion of the new "Stan Cullis" stand the capacity will be 31,700 approximately, but this will be reduced to around 22,000 temporarily when the "Steve Bull" stand is demolished as this stand holds just over 9,000.

Paragraph taken from "Molineux Pride" web site press releases:-

The fans in attendance at the meeting (all of them season ticket holders) heard that ground capacity would be significantly reduced during any rebuilding; it would be down to about 24,000 during phase one and could drop to 21-22,000 during the Steve Bull transformation.

We have already had confirmation that 3,700 seats will now be available from the 2nd home game onwards. Capacity therefore will fall no lower then 27,000 in phase 1.

Phase 2 might also see the lower tier of the new Steve Bull stand open earlier although not quite as early as phase 1. I'd expect Molineux by Early 2013 to have around 30,000 seats that can be occupied until the stand can is fully finished. The first part of 2012 season will see our lowest attendance with like you said. roughly 22-23k.

For the sake of a television audience: yes. It's the worst looking ground on TV; you can't actually see anyone. You may as well be playing in a stadium with an athletics track. Even with their fervent and loud support, it sorely needs closer stands to the pitch to make it look good on TV.

Do you think? I love watching Wolves games on TV. You actually get a birds eye view with no obstructions. Closer stands are just to create an intimidating atmosphere because although the fans are very loud the sound seeps away through the corners.

Nothing better in English football then hearing the North and South bank taking the piss out of each other.

The ground is being redeveloped also to allow Wolves to increase revenue from non-matchday events. The Steve Bull was opened in 1979 and has long passed it's 'use by date'. The redevelopment is allowing WWFC to include more corporate and commercial facilities into the stadium design along with a more enjoyable matchday experience for the supporters.

Do you think? I love watching Wolves games on TV. You actually get a birds eye view with no obstructions. Closer stands are just to create an intimidating atmosphere because although the fans are very loud the sound seeps away through the corners.

Nothing better in English football then hearing the North and South bank taking the piss out of each other.

Each to their own I suppose, but for me there's nothing better than stands which hug the touchline. I'm probably the sole person who thinks the bowl at the Emirates is too far back from the touchline. WHL-style is what I'd like every club to have.

Well it ay too ba! but ee day Villa Park!

No seriously, love these designs. Wolves will soon have the 2nd best stadium in the West Midlands, and rightly so, what with them being the 2nd biggest club.

Each to their own I suppose, but for me there's nothing better than stands which hug the touchline. I'm probably the sole person who thinks the bowl at the Emirates is too far back from the touchline. Hardly. Many a gooner, including yours truly, wish the bowl were much tighter and steeper. It's a beautiful venue, much better, I'd argue, than many give it credit for, but it isn't as powerful as it could be in terms of adding to the presence for the crowd.

Hopefully the new Molineux will be more ideal in that sense.

Does Molineux really need rebuiding? Those stands look fine to me.

As a season ticket holder in the "Steve Bull" stand I can assure you that it does. As has been stated it was opened in 1979, I remember watching it being built and thought how marvellous it was at the time, despite the red seats. The facilities are very basic, (the toilets have to be stewarded at half time to prevent crushing), the legroom is poor and I am only five feet seven inches tall. It is the worst stand to get in and out of.

The three newer stands appear to be fine but the concourses do get cramped, but this is not just about installing extra seats, it is about improving spectator comfort and everything else that a football club needs today i.e. corporate facilities and all done without moving to an out of town location.

PLus bigger stadium. better facilities, = better club, bigger players, bigger sponsorships.

Wolves are a British run club. The old owner refused to sell to a foreign owner. The team is British to the core. Home grown talent.

The club have just announced a new £50m training facility scheme to improve our production of talent.

Wolves are building the right way in my oppinion. Obviously I'd love to see us bid £30m for a player. But I felt more pride staying up last season in 17th place doing it the right way then I bet Manchester City fans did finishing 3rd with players earning £250,000 a week and splashing over £300m on players.

The fact Wolves reject players who break their wage structure is a credit to the club and football as a whole I feel.

I'm super proud of them at the moment. And i'd hope neutral fans respect the way Wolves do their business and hopefully it will attract those who support other teams to also hope success for us too. :cheers:

Wolves are building the right way in my oppinion. Obviously I'd love to see us bid £30m for a player. But I felt more pride staying up last season in 17th place doing it the right way then I bet Manchester City fans did finishing 3rd with players earning £250,000 a week and splashing over £300m on players.

The fact Wolves reject players who break their wage structure is a credit to the club and football as a whole I feel.

I'm super proud of them at the moment. And i'd hope neutral fans respect the way Wolves do their business and hopefully it will attract those who support other teams to also hope success for us too. :cheers:

I couldn't agree more. At some point something will have to give as clubs cannot afford to keep shelling out on huge transfer fees and extortionate player wages. Most Premier league clubs are in serious debt, the fact that Wolves have put a cap on players wages and are sensible with money in the transfer market should be an example to all other clubs.

They're prepping for the seats! :banana:

Cant wait to start seeing some colour in the stand!!

PLus bigger stadium. better facilities, = better club, bigger players, bigger sponsorships.

Wolves are a British run club. The old owner refused to sell to a foreign owner. The team is British to the core. Home grown talent.

The club have just announced a new £50m training facility scheme to improve our production of talent.

Wolves are building the right way in my oppinion. Obviously I'd love to see us bid £30m for a player. But I felt more pride staying up last season in 17th place doing it the right way then I bet Manchester City fans did finishing 3rd with players earning £250,000 a week and splashing over £300m on players.

The fact Wolves reject players who break their wage structure is a credit to the club and football as a whole I feel.

I'm super proud of them at the moment. And i'd hope neutral fans respect the way Wolves do their business and hopefully it will attract those who support other teams to also hope success for us too. :cheers:

Morally run club. Nice.

Men have been busy all day on the terracing. Not long before we see the first signs of gold!! :cheers:

Couple of pictures from www.molineuxmix.co.uk

http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g445/SE10Wolf/IMG_0312.jpg

http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g445/SE10Wolf/IMG_0305.jpg

Some new images on the wolves website, here are a few of them.
Looks like there's been quite a bit of work done underneath the stand this week. Click on the link to view more.

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http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j332/Moosejuice66/Northbank29d711.jpg

http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/Gallery...404940,00.html

Some pics from todays game

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/messi98500/zara/SNC01788.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/messi98500/zara/SNC01793.jpg

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Looking at how the new stand is shaping up, and how it will align with the next phase of the development, it appears the stands will be much closer to the pitch. I know there was already quite a bit of distance between the stands and the pitch but I didn't realise it was as much as, say, in a stadium designed for athletics. I think a 50,000 capacity is very optimistic, but somewhere between 35-40,000 is not unreasonable.

Just checked the webcam, seats going in, I don't know if it is just protective covers- but they appear to be ...BLUE ??? BLUE ?? whaaa?

Pics?

http://www.molineuxpride.co.uk/wt/live_cam ^^

Just checked the webcam, seats going in, I don't know if it is just protective covers- but they appear to be ...BLUE ??? BLUE ?? whaaa?

They are in protective covers. The seats are black but they are only temporary seats so the lower tier can be used from September onwards. These seats will be replaced with the proper ones when the stand is completed in June 2012.

why don't they just put the proper ones in now?

^^ They're still being made.

Correct. Orange plastic is extremely hard to fabricate, as artificial dyes will not work well, and the only pigment that can be used in the manufacturing process comes from the powdery outer coating of bumble bees. Sadly, the UK bumble bee population has suffered an unexplained sudden decline in recent years, so plastic manufacturers have had to fall back on inferior French bees, and supply is currently nowhere near meeting demand.

In the meantime, temporary black seats are being used - this colour of plastic is made from crushed beetles and is in plentiful supply.

Thanks for that explanation Charlie P :lol:

2nd tier steelwork is starting to take shape.

3,700 temporary BLACK seats will be available not this weekend but for the next home game against Tottenham.

I know these particualr seats are temporary but the colour black isnt such a wild idea when you think about it. Add a couple of orange logos (maybe the Wolves badge) make the top tier all orange and you have the clubs kit!
Villa do it with their claret and blue tiers matching their shirts/shorts.
To be honest Im not too keen on the seat colours ive seen in the renders. All that orange is a bit too much for me...I'd prefer to see patterns of black and orange or plenty of logos and letters to break up those huge swathes of just one colour. Its just a personal preference...I expect the completed Molineux will still look impressive whatever design they end up with.

I know these particualr seats are temporary but the colour black isnt such a wild idea when you think about it. Add a couple of orange logos (maybe the Wolves badge) make the top tier all orange and you have the clubs kit!
Villa do it with their claret and blue tiers matching their shirts/shorts.
To be honest Im not too keen on the seat colours ive seen in the renders. All that orange is a bit too much for me...I'd prefer to see patterns of black and orange or plenty of logos and letters to break up those huge swathes of just one colour. Its just a personal preference...I expect the completed Molineux will still look impressive whatever design they end up with.

The seat's will be orientated so they have the Wolves head logo's, 1877 the year they were founded and WWFC.

Also black seats won't highlight the weathering so much which we will see until the roof go's on end of December, early Jan. :cheers:

http://www.wolves.co.uk/javaImages/db/f8/0,,10307~9894107,00.jpg

http://www.wolves.co.uk/javaImages/d9/f8/0,,10307~9894105,00.jpg

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http://www.wolves.co.uk/javaImages/dd/f8/0,,10307~9894109,00.jpg
www.wolves.co.uk

http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10307~2428157,00.html

they install seats before to cover the tribune?! :nuts:

To cover the tribune? :nuts:

I don't understand :dunno: Could you explain??

i 'm talking about the worker in yellow vets that fixes the seat on pics above

To cover the tribune?



I don't understand Could you explain??

He is asking why the stand (tribune) has no roof before the seats are installed.
Because the team survived relegation, obviously there is a demand for more tickets. As a quick fix to satisfy supporters and to get in more revenue, the lower part of the stand is being more or less completed so that the capacity can be increased. There still needs to be a second tier built in the near future, so no roof until this is done. I'd be interested to know how many large the capacity is now...

All the seats have all been installed and the refreshments area and toilets are currently being finished (http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10307~2428157,00.html) so that they can be opened in time for their next home-game on September 10 against Tottenham.

I think he's talking about the lack of roof for spectators in it's current format. You'd have thought that by scanning quickly through the thread it'd be quite obvious to a blind man that there is still a second tier to be constructed and the current layout is to maximise capacity during the football season but nothing this moron 'contributes' to this website surprises me anymore.

Again, to reiterate what I said in the UK and Ireland thread for this development, I'm really looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Even in it's current state it has a bit of character to it with the open stand and corner element (although Wolves fans sitting in it in December may argue that point!). Does anyone know if away fans are due to be housed in it or will they stay where they are for the season?

I think he's talking about the lack of roof for spectators in it's current format. You'd have thought that by scanning quickly through the thread it'd be quite obvious to a blind man that there is still a second tier to be constructed and the current layout is to maximise capacity during the football season but nothing this moron 'contributes' to this website surprises me anymore.

Ah right. I know he can be a bit of a troll but it's surprising comment considering he butt munches Marseilles velodome and that hasn't had a roof for decades.

The lower tier is being opened to increase capacity. the current capacity is around 24,000 with only 3 stands open. Once the lower tier opens against Tottenham capacity will go up to 27,500.

Away fans will still be located in either the Jack Harris or Steve Bull lower depending on away travel numbers.

Again, to reiterate what I said in the UK and Ireland thread for this development, I'm really looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Even in it's current state it has a bit of character to it with the open stand and corner element (although Wolves fans sitting in it in December may argue that point!). Does anyone know if away fans are due to be housed in it or will they stay where they are for the season?

Not many teams re-develop their current stadium in modern day football. They tend to leave for a cheaper option to the outskirts and build brand new. Molineux will remain one of the most recognisable and charaismatic stadiums in Britain and Europe.

Next season will look even stranger with the long side completely out of action and we won't see the lower tier of that open till the following year.

Anyway.

Here are some new photo's for this thread.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/messi98500/20th%20aug%202011/SNC01933.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/messi98500/Fulham/SNC01947.jpg

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6066018798_cc0045e52b_b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/gouldy333/WolvesvFulhamPano210811.jpg

Not many teams re-develop their current stadium in modern day football. They tend to leave for a cheaper option to the outskirts and build brand new. Molineux will remain one of the most recognisable and charaismatic stadiums in Britain and Europe.

Next season will look even stranger with the long side completely out of action and we won't see the lower tier of that open till the following year.

Agreed but for me that's part of the enjoyment in watching these developments take place while the stadium continues to function. In the mid to late nineties you could name off a load of English grounds that this took place in: Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury, Villa Park etc. so it's good to see it again.

From an engineering point of view, such developments are equally as challenging to companies redeveloping these stadiums as whole large scale new developments are because regardless of the redevelopment taking place, the primary concern has to be spectator safety and movement in and around the building areas. Maybe it's just me but I've always found these developments more interesting than the whole new stadium builds because it's a marriage of the new design and development into the existing space and infrastructure that currently occupies the site. It's funny you mention Marseille because that's another one that I'm really keen to see how it goes because the stadium will continue to function during reconstruction

Ah right. I know he can be a bit of a troll but it's surprising comment considering he butt munches Marseilles velodome and that hasn't had a roof for decades.





are you really serious man? :|

marseille has a mediteranean climate ! wheather shows during all summer temperature above 30°C.

How can you compare with an english town ?! :nuts: i watched the premier league last weekend match and the cloudy and rainy wheather.

then how can you make an irrelevant statement regarding marseille velodrome tribunes non sheltered?!

I am a troll? :lol:

I don't think people are gonna die from our oh so awful english climate- just wear a rain mac and you'll be fine..

are you really serious man? :|

marseille has a mediteranean climate ! wheather shows during all summer temperature above 30°C.

How can you compare with an english town ?! :nuts: i watched the premier league last weekend match and the cloudy and rainy wheather.

then how can you make an irrelevant statement regarding marseille velodrome tribunes non sheltered?!

I am a troll? :lol:

How do you think us water rats live during these rainy cold months? That we never venture outside?

Rain macs will be provided to all and the roof will be up in December so they will only have to sit through around 450 minutes of cold over a 3 months.

Not really a hardship.

ok no problem :)

How do you think us water rats live during these rainy cold months? That we never venture outside?

Rain macs will be provided to all and the roof will be up in December so they will only have to sit through around 450 minutes of cold over a 3 months.

Not really a hardship.

Actually you're all mocking him while he does make a point - not a big one, but still. That point was also raised by lord Taylor in his report after Hillsborough - it's about seats being uncovered which is very uncomfortable during rainy weather which of course is why he advised for all stadiums to be covered where seats are installed. The lack of roof makes people stand which is against - for example - safety rules of the Football Licencing Authority (vide: "Standing in seatd areas" report) and is seen by British football authorities as unsafe. We all know a raincoat and reasonable stewarding will allow everyone to get through a game, but we've seen quite a few safety absurds in England, haven't we? Wasn't it Wolves threatened to have a stand closed if fans don't stop standing?

Yes it was Wolves.

That's why the club are pursuing a change in legislation and are holding back our main stand from re-development in the hope safe standing will be allowed.