Ethiopia - Djibouti: Row erupts over new port directive

By Desalegn Sisay

Afrik.com

A row has erupted between Ethiopia and the government of Djibouti over the latter’s promulgation of a new directive, issued last week, that will see Ethiopia lose millions of dollars in port operations.

The directive establishes a monopoly, in favor of Maersk Djibouti Freight Station, over operations involving the stuffing and unstuffing of containers at the Djibouti port.

The operation, which was hitherto handled by all forwarding companies, could cost Ethiopia some 9 million dollars per year.

Talking to a local newspaper, Fortune, Mekonnen Abera, director general of Ethiopian Port Affairs Authority said the directive violates a 2002 bilateral agreement between the two countries.

Under the agreement, Djibouti is expected to provide Ethiopia with a 60 day notification prior to price increments or actions that affect the port’s operations.

“It is a huge decision. We need to talk and want the case to remain pending in the meantime,” Mekonnen said ahead of a planned official visit to Djibouti, next week, to closely examine the issue with his Djibouti counterpart.

Ethiopian Freight Forwarders and Shipping Agents Association have also complained about the directive.

In a letter addressed to Aden Ahmed Dualeh, board chairman of Djibouti port authority, the association argues that third party handling in what concerns container stuffing and unstuffing operations could lead to a confusion over who should bear responsibility in case of damage, shortage or mixing of cargos.

In line with the directive, Maersk has already imposed a 100 dollar tariff per container that enters its premises for stuffing or unstuffing.

Ethiopia has an average of 100,000 in-bound containers unstuffed and an average of 30,00-40,000 out-bound containers stuffed at the Djibouti port per annum.

Meles got us in this mess, he needs to get us out of it.
They need to get the railway projects going. We need to be connected to Port Sudan, Berbera and Lamu ASAP. Enough is enough.

Djibouti is taking the piss now:lol: Ethiopia already pays a billion dollars in port fees, but yet they keep on coming out with new charges:nuts:

Djibouti is taking the piss now:lol: Ethiopia already pays a billion dollars in port fees, but yet they keep on coming out with new charges:nuts:

I think our use of Djibouti's port has helped Djibouti's economy and I would not be surprised if the port fees we pay account for close to 50% of their GDP. Djibouti's government must be very careful not to piss off the Ethiopian govt because that would prompt the Ethiopian govt to look for alternatives like Somaliand, Sudan and Kenya. Although proximity plays a role in this if others offer much lower port fees the govt of Ethiopia could switch. If we don't use the port its useless and Djibouti would get next to nothing for their port. If some one can do a comparison of Djibouti's economy prior to 1998 and after, I think that would demonstrate the importance of the port fees for Djibouti.

I think our use of Djibouti's port has helped Djibouti's economy and I would not be surprised if the port fees we pay account for close to 50% of their GDP. Djibouti's government must be very careful not to piss off the Ethiopian govt because that would prompt the Ethiopian govt to look for alternatives like Somaliand, Sudan and Kenya. Although proximity plays a role in this if others offer much lower port fees the govt of Ethiopia could switch. If we don't use the port its useless and Djibouti would get next to nothing for their port. If some one can do a comparison of Djibouti's economy prior to 1998 and after, I think that would demonstrate the importance of the port fees for Djibouti.


Switching from Djibouti would bear higher costs as Djibouti port is the most efficient in the region. You can't think of Berbera (lack of modern equipment) and Lamu and Port Sudan are just too far, thus much higher transportation costs. So for the foreseeable future, you stay with us.
It is true Djiboutian economy benefited a lot and continues to benefit from the Ethiopian use of Djiboutian ports. We should be careful about how we handle our Ethiopian friends. This move is not a wise one.

The new directive is not good for Djiboutian transit companies operating between the port and their Ethiopian customers. They're gonna be hit hard by this new directive. These companies employ lots of people and is one the booming industries since Ethiopia transfered from Assab to Djibouti. It is counterproductive and inefficient to monopolize such business, competition will die out, these companies will lose their businesses and that's in no one's benefit (neither Ethiopian nor Djiboutian economies).

Something must be done. But you know with one guy taking the decisions in our country and a parliament controlled at 100% by the ruling party, decisions that come from "above" (as we say here) are quiet difficult to contest. Bear with us the lack of democracy here.

Switching from Djibouti would bear higher costs as Djibouti port is the most efficient in the region. You can't think of Berbera (lack of modern equipment) and Lamu and Port Sudan are just too far, thus much higher transportation costs. So for the foreseeable future, you stay with us.
It is true Djiboutian economy benefited a lot and continues to benefit from the Ethiopian use of Djiboutian ports. We should be careful about how we handle our Ethiopian friends. This move is not a wise one.

The new directive is not good for Djiboutian transit companies operating between the port and their Ethiopian customers. They're gonna be hit hard by this new directive. These companies employ lots of people and is one the booming industries since Ethiopia transfered from Assab to Djibouti. It is counterproductive and inefficient to monopolize such business, competition will die out, these companies will lose their businesses and that's in no one's benefit (neither Ethiopian nor Djiboutian economies).

Something must be done. But you know with one guy taking the decisions in our country and a parliament controlled at 100% by the ruling party, decisions that come from "above" (as we say here) are quiet difficult to contest. Bear with us the lack of democracy here.

Well put Ras Siyan, but there are alternatives :) by the way does "Ras" mean anything in somali or arabic? In Ethiopia its an aristocratic tittle meaning "Head".

EPRDF and Melse Zenawi are arguing their move to rid Ethiopia of its Legal and Natural right for a sea outlet is a Righteous one. Sometimes I feel like slapping those bastards in the Mouth. What did they call it, "Ethiopian Port Addiction" in Amharic "የወደብ አባዜ" Talk about a political blunder of Historic proportions. Jesus Freaking Christ, sometimes I feel so Angry I fear I could hurt some EPRDF moron.

They turned Ethiopia permanently like a passenger with baggage but no airline ticket, going from booth to booth begging for one. Ibn Batuta is turning in his grave.

EPRDF and Melse Zenawi are arguing their move to rid Ethiopia of its Legal and Natural right for a sea outlet is a Righteous one. Sometimes I feel like slapping those bastards in the Mouth. What did they call it, "Ethiopian Port Addiction" in Amharic "የወደብ አባዜ" Talk about a political blunder of Historic proportions. Jesus Freaking Christ, sometimes I feel so Angry I fear I could hurt some EPRDF moron.

They turned Ethiopia permanently like a passenger with baggage but no airline ticket, going from booth to booth begging for one. Ibn Batuta is turning in his grave.

The main problem is at the very essence of who these EPRDF people are, and where their loyalties lie? governing isn't so complicated if you have one element in check, i.e patriotism. If you love and respect your citizens, care for them the same way you care for your family, there can be no problem that can't be solved. As long as this government is in power and doesn't change its basic principles, we will continue to be at a disadvantage. They came by power and many of them are still using their jungle principles to rule a massive country like Ethiopia. There has to be stronger opposition that is inclusive of young people with passion and determination to make change happen.

i see a great continental war in the horn of africa in the future.
too many unresolved issues and a country like ethiopia won't want to be landlocked for much longer

i see a great continental war in the horn of africa in the future.
too many unresolved issues and a country like ethiopia won't want to be landlocked for much longer

True...especially since the decision to make Ethiopia landlocked was done by a small clique who managed to take over the country through the financial backing of special interest groups in the West and no one knows how long they will last. It's not like 80 millions Ethiopians suddenly voted to become landlocked, it was enforced upon us by the people mentioned above and it's a matter of time on when these past decisions will be corrected by Ethiopians in a next government.

Jesus Freaking Christ, sometimes I feel so Angry I fear I could hurt some EPRDF moron.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:......I do not blame you!

Here is a deplorable calamity & catastrophic mishap that the birth of cadre Redwan Hussien reminds you that there is no God.
How unfortunate we are? I am sleepless when I watch the next PM of Ethiopia & his twisted a neanderthal thinking of port of Assab. God help us all!

g7xm2odGpVM

Again, if someone could explain to me why Ethiopians claim Assab when it is in Eritrea and part of the Eritrea Italian colony. I seriously do not understand.

Well put Ras Siyan, but there are alternatives :) by the way does "Ras" mean anything in somali or arabic? In Ethiopia its an aristocratic tittle meaning "Head".

Yes brother, Ras means Head in Arabic too. But Ras Siyan is the name of a peninsula part of the 7 Brothers Islands or Sawabi Islands (in Arabic) located in the North of Djibouti. It is described as part of the 7 wonders of scuba diving.
The planned city and bridge linking us with Yemen was planned to be located few kilometers from the Ras Siyan.
Beautiful place

Yes brother, Ras means Head in Arabic too. But Ras Siyan is the name of a peninsula part of the 7 Brothers Islands or Sawabi Islands (in Arabic) located in the North of Djibouti. It is described as part of the 7 wonders of scuba diving.
The planned city and bridge linking us with Yemen was planned to be located few kilometers from the Ras Siyan.
Beautiful place

How is real estate in that part of the world? is it affordable?

Again, if someone could explain to me why Ethiopians claim Assab when it is in Eritrea and part of the Eritrea Italian colony. I seriously do not understand.

I think you are getting far behind with the politics of that region.....:)

You see, Assab belongs to the Afar people. The people of Afar never been given a choice (a choice to stay with Ethiopia, or to be part of Djubuti, to stay with Eritrea or to be an independent & a free Afar nation). In 1993, a fake a referendum was conducted with the help of Zenawi (our own leader) and Eritrea's dictator Isayas. That referendum was forced up on the AFAR people without their consent or wish. Look what is happing now - close to 20, 000 Afar refugees crossed the border from Eritrea to Ethiopia & the refugee flood is continuing. If such a pattern is ignored, the result is a civil war - a war between the Hamassien Elite of Eritrea vs The people of Afar. The racist Hamassien elites of Eritrea should stop dictating and abusing the Afar people.

Remember, Eritrea got her independent as a country (with 9 different ethnic group under it) blaming the Amhara elites of Ethiopia....what we are saying is that, similarly, those 9 ethnic group of Eritrea must be given a chance to decide their fate & wish. If they wish their independent, grant them!

Or else...This is what you get........:-

April 24, 2010 -- Two Eritrean rebel groups said they killed 11 government soldiers and wounded some 20 others in a coordinated attack on military camps in southern Eritrea.

The groups -- the Red Sea Afar Democratic Organisation (RSADO) and the Eritrean National Salvation Front (ENSF) -- said in a joint statement that they had briefly taken control of the camps on Thursday and seized weapons and military intelligence. (Reuters)

http://www.waltainfo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21088&Itemid=52

P.S.

Here is a Hypothetical scenario of the future.....

Point A: Ethiopia will invade Eritrea (we can't go forward while a mad man Isayas is messing us around) - unlike 1998 - 2000 war, this time though , dictator Isayas will be removed and replaced by a puppet government:).

Point B: Ethiopia will invite the UN to conduct a referendum for the Afar people. This time, both Eritrea & Ethiopian opposition and government will be allowed to convince & offer to the Afar people the best option avilable:

1) Stay with Eritrea

2) Stay with Ethiopia

3) Declare an independent and a free Afar Nation

At the end of the day, the decision belongs to the Afar people!

PEACE

i see a great continental war in the horn of africa in the future.
too many unresolved issues and a country like ethiopia won't want to be landlocked for much longer

I think a better statement would be a continuation of the "status quo".

The Horn of Africa region has not been conflict-free since at least the 1950s. It is a region that knows nothing but war.

Again, if someone could explain to me why Ethiopians claim Assab when it is in Eritrea and part of the Eritrea Italian colony. I seriously do not understand.

When it was a part of Ethiopia, Assab was it's main port.

Switching from Djibouti would bear higher costs as Djibouti port is the most efficient in the region. You can't think of Berbera (lack of modern equipment) and Lamu and Port Sudan are just too far, thus much higher transportation costs. So for the foreseeable future, you stay with us.
It is true Djiboutian economy benefited a lot and continues to benefit from the Ethiopian use of Djiboutian ports. We should be careful about how we handle our Ethiopian friends. This move is not a wise one.

The new directive is not good for Djiboutian transit companies operating between the port and their Ethiopian customers. They're gonna be hit hard by this new directive. These companies employ lots of people and is one the booming industries since Ethiopia transfered from Assab to Djibouti. It is counterproductive and inefficient to monopolize such business, competition will die out, these companies will lose their businesses and that's in no one's benefit (neither Ethiopian nor Djiboutian economies).

Something must be done. But you know with one guy taking the decisions in our country and a parliament controlled at 100% by the ruling party, decisions that come from "above" (as we say here) are quiet difficult to contest. Bear with us the lack of democracy here.

The horn of Africa is heating up with anger, therefor, you guys in Djibouti have no choice, but must increase your army size before its too late.

When it was a part of Ethiopia, Assab was it's main port.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say?

But anyways - if you are interested read this:

"....More problematic is the situation in the eastern part of the Eritreo-Ethiopian border, where it comes to the Afar areas / Assab, along the Red Sea coast. The colonial border was not been precisely defined in those areas, even though an Italo-Ethiopian Convention of 16 May 1908 specifically deals with them. The Convention indicates that the border, going southeast, will “proceed parallel to and at a distance of 60kms from the coast, until it joins the frontier of the French possessions of Somalia” (the present Republic of Djibouti). The two governments promised in this document to “undertake to fix the above mentioned frontier-line on the spot by common accord and as soon as possible.” However, this never happened. When the United Nations opened the files, forty years later, they found nothing.

For several hundred kilometres the border traverses arid and rugged desert terrain, among the hottest in the world, where warring Afar tribes have led a nomadic existence for centuries, trading salt. They have always been reluctant to acknowledge any demarcation which would divide what they consider to be their ancestral land........" - Credit to The Ethiopian – Eritrean Border Conflict Author -- Jean-Louis Péninou

Map

1) The Green Line indicates the true Eritrea.

2) The Red line shows the Land of The Afar people (Red arrow is where the Assab port is located). The people of Afar have been violated & denied their God given right by the Eritrean Hamassien/Tigrayian ellites. What we are demanding is - Let the Afar people re-claim their ancestral land!

3) The Blue Arrow shows the boundary in dispute which is still undefined - we have also so many questions to ask our Somali brothers:)


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2982/93002653.jpg

So is the statement that Assab was Ethiopia's most busiest port before it became part of an independent Eritrea wrong?

The horn of Africa is heating up with anger, therefor, you guys in Djibouti have no choice, but must increase your army size before its too late.

Ethiopian does not have issues with Djibouti - our beef is with the leader of Tigrayian ellities of Eritrea (including those Amichies who bite our hand ). However, If the mad man Issayas Afeworki dare to invade Djibouti and attempts to chock us:), Ethiopia will have a good excuse to move-in into Eritrea & remove tyrant Issayas for good. Djibouti doesn't even look up the French for help - we can fix the bully with the way we know!

So is the statement that Assab was Ethiopia's most busiest port before it became part of an independent Eritrea wrong?

Assab is the stolen property of Ethiopia! - Stolen with the help of our own leaders

BTW:
Just like Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiopian Shipping Line is The Lion of the Red Sea. Look at the other East African countries (including Kenya) -With all due respect, they even do not have a decent paper-boat let alone managing & running cargo ships!


http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3918/15191507.jpg

http://www.ethiopianshippinglines.com.et/

Here is a thread I had started about the Ethiopian Shipping Lane, THE ONLY STATE OPERATED SHIPPING LANE IN sub-Saharan AFRICA!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1070151

Currently operates 9 large former naval ships converted for commercial purposes, now they will order 8 NEW ships from a Chinese company using Chinese funding.
This is what it will look at, from the company's website:

http://www.cnkasc.com/uploads/cp16-1.jpg

If we get our own port, we will be on a spending spree for brand new Naval ships to bring back the good old, highly respected naval force back to action. Also, take are of the piracy problem real quick!

Keep dreaming amharas and agames. Your obsessive imperial loony hallucinations for the last 50 years will be the nail in your country's coffin. Assab never belonged to you, it was given to you by your daddy the U.S. now you are naturally landlocked, at this point be lucky you have been able to contain the profitable part of "Ethiopia", that is Oromo fertile land. If anything I would encourage the economically retarded and idiotic gov't of Ethiopia and its future gov't to keep Eritrea as its agenda, the Ethiopian empire sustained by western interests will gradually disintegrate and Ethiopia will return to its natural desert form of agame and amhara lands. That's the sadness about Abyssinian governments, all they know is war not realizing that each time they acted on their imperial addiction it landed with their gov't being overthrown each time....

bye bye "Ethiopia"

Keep dreaming amharas and agames. Your obsessive imperial loony hallucinations for the last 50 years will be the nail in your country's coffin. Assab never belonged to you, it was given to you by your daddy the U.S. now you are naturally landlocked, at this point be lucky you have been able to contain the profitable part of "Ethiopia", that is Oromo fertile land. If anything I would encourage the economically retarded and idiotic gov't of Ethiopia and its future gov't to keep Eritrea as its agenda, the Ethiopian empire sustained by western interests will gradually disintegrate and Ethiopia will return to its natural desert form of agame and amhara lands. That's the sadness about Abyssinian governments, all they know is war not realizing that each time they acted on their imperial addiction it landed with their gov't being overthrown each time....

bye bye "Ethiopia"

Mr. Freedomfighter, 3rd post so far all propaganda. Whether Ethiopia gets a port or not at least we don't have a dysfunctional state like Eritrea, if you love your country I suggest you go back and fight Isayas to get things straight. My Eritrean friend told me a few weeks ago, Isayas was in a bar, had an argument and killed his own friend with alcohol bottle. What kind of BS is that? He told me there are discussions in the Eritrean community, whether you guys sholuld come back to mama land again, but I regret to inform you we don't want you.:lol:
You posting here isn't gonna change your country, we are discussing not just politics, but development, education, infrastructure ... you should try yo get these first before you bring your rants here. We don't want you in our forum, jeee

The funny thing is your only argument is there is no Ethiopia, and what is happening is actually the complete opposite. When we had the parasites ( Eri) killing us from within, we were worse off, now we don't many left who instigate war. You wouldn't know it because you can't see the beautiful people of Addis Ababa, not just outside, but also inside. We are busy creating stronger Republic, and this time will have all the sane ones left which makes reconstruction and rapid development very easy.

"Ethiopia tekdem"

Keep dreaming amharas and agames. Your obsessive imperial loony hallucinations for the last 50 years will be the nail in your country's coffin. Assab never belonged to you, it was given to you by your daddy the U.S. now you are naturally landlocked, at this point be lucky you have been able to contain the profitable part of "Ethiopia", that is Oromo fertile land. If anything I would encourage the economically retarded and idiotic gov't of Ethiopia and its future gov't to keep Eritrea as its agenda, the Ethiopian empire sustained by western interests will gradually disintegrate and Ethiopia will return to its natural desert form of agame and amhara lands. That's the sadness about Abyssinian governments, all they know is war not realizing that each time they acted on their imperial addiction it landed with their gov't being overthrown each time....

bye bye "Ethiopia"

ERIFreedomFighter
Hi Shameless Eri Shabia.....
If I were you, I would have killed myself long time ago - here is why...:

Construction Companies: Accomplishing Huge Projects
Simon Mesfun, Apr 20, 2010

Since independence, in Eritrea, a lot have been done in the construction of roads, bridges, dams and similar infrastructure works. Starting from the launch of the Warsay-Yikealo Development Campaign, members of the Campaign have been engaged in a number of such infrastructure works that helped them acquire remarkable experience. As a result, they are able to construct huge infrastructure works like Gerset dam and a bridge in Alebu. And today, members of Gedem and Debaysina construction companies are constructing dams in the gateway of Tokombia which is nearing completion.

Weldu Ande, manager of the project, said that he was not sure that they were capable of constructing the bridge as the landscape of the site was very difficult to conduct such task. “But after I noticed the dedication and creativity of our members, it didn’t take me long to be sure of our capability to accomplish the task.”:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The construction companies engaged in the project faced numerous challenges right from the start. First, the bridge-supporting pillars were not thick enough to support the huge bridge. Therefore, they modified the then biggest pillars with a diameter of 0.9 meters to a diameter of 1.4 meters.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Second, unexpected torrent came on March and slowed the project. According to the manager, they were expecting the torrent to come after June. This created obstacle in the construction process. They introduced 12 water-pump motors and the construction continues.:lol::lol::lol:

The third challenge was to transport the huge bridge-supporting pillars. The pillars were constructed in a construction factory situated 130 kms from the construction site. The road, especially the 50 kms long road from Barentu to the site was not suitable to transport such huge pillars. So, the member of the Warsay-Yikealo Development Campaign asphalted the road and made it usable.:lol::lol::lol:.....I give up guys....Ohoooo:lol::lol::lol:

Moreover, there was no truck which can transport the 265 quintals pillars safely:lol::lol::lol:. Gedem Construction Company modified a truck and they successfully transported all the pillars to the construction site.

During good rainy seasons, Tokombia was isolated from the rest of the region as its main linking bridge, Quanqua Bridge, was destroyed by flood in the summer of 2007. But after a few months, being an ‘inland island’ will be past history for Tokombia.
http://www.shaebia.org/artman/publish/article_6154.shtml
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thank You Shabia

ERIFreedomFighter - Shoot yourself!!:)

What is exactly going on in the land of Eritrea???:lol: I think, they are being ruled by an eight years old child!!

After independence, the government of Eritrea started breeding fish in 1994 in the sources available in order to provide the community in the area with sufficient protein and to create employment...........:lol::lol::lol:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2816/67373940.jpg


Thank You Shabia & Thank you Isayas Afeworki for punishing these ungrateful creatures called Eritreans!.....Sweet for deporting Amchies from Addis!!

Ethiopia opens new camp for Eritrean refugees
(AFP) – Apr 15, 2010

ADDIS ABABA — Ethiopia announced Thursday it has opened a new camp in the north of the country to accommodate the growing number of Eritrean refugees arriving each month.

The first batch of 356 people arrived on Thursday at the camp in Adi-Harush in Tigray, the fourth to be established in the region since 2004, the Administration for Refugee and Returnee Affairs said in a statement.

"Eighty percent of the first group is composed of mainly young people between the ages of 21 and 34," it added.

The agency said up to 2,000 mostly young men and women were now crossing the border each month to "avoid excessive repression, gross human rights violations and forced conscription into the army."
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They have to say Sorry first - then, may be then, we will consider granting them a refugee status......Hmmm......we might get them jobs in our booming construction industry!


ERIFreedomFighter

I bet you, you will find your relatives among those poor refugees.

You call that mess Freedom.......:lol::lol:

The fact that one paragraph by me sparked two pages worth of crap responses shows how severe the Ethiopian inferiority complex is. Ethiopia is not wanted by anybody (there's nothing "mama" about Faketopia for that matter), I can't even consider it a state as it is no more than a colony for the U.S. to do its bidding. Ethiopia a resource rich country, it's a shame the gov't is made up of chimpanzees who cannot effectively run a country, selling beautiful Oromo land for cents on the dollar. It's quite tragic. Ethiopia is better off separated into nine states where the lands with the resources (Oromos and others) can have control over their own destiny. It's obvious agames and amharas do not know how to rule. Addis Ababa is the 6th filthiest city in the world, Ethiopia has an ever growing population, hunger and poverty are unprecedented. How long Ethiopia can remain intact with American money is the question. Ethiopia is a ticking time bomb, an experiment that has reached its course. Maybe the Oromos will give the agames and amharas refuge in Oromia when they're done making such a mess of things.

Ethiopia is not wanted by anybody (there's nothing "mama" about Faketopia for that matter), I can't even consider it a state as it is no more than a colony for the U.S. to do its bidding..

So...2000 Eritreans per month are crossing to the Faketopia.........

Ethiopia a resource rich country, it's a shame the gov't is made up of chimpanzees who cannot effectively run a country, selling beautiful Oromo land for cents on the dollar.

Dream on....you wont get it!!


It's quite tragic.

Yes...2000 Eritrean refugees per month is tragic......

It's obvious agames and amharas do not know how to rule.

At least the Agames know how to deport a parasitic asss like yours where it belongs....

Addis Ababa is the 6th filthiest city in the world, Ethiopia has an ever growing population, hunger and poverty are unprecedented.

Yes...2000 Eritrean refugees per month to Ethiopia....


How long Ethiopia can remain intact with American money is the question.

Eat your heart out........

Maybe the Oromos will give the agames and amharas refuge in Oromia when they're done making such a mess of things.

Yes...2000 Eritrean refugees per month to Ethiopia.......You better think joining your relatives at Shimelba / or at Addi something camp.

Oh my :ohno:

Guys come on, lets have a descent talk, constructive debate.

I think you are getting far behind with the politics of that region.....:)

You see, Assab belongs to the Afar people. The people of Afar never been given a choice (a choice to stay with Ethiopia, or to be part of Djubuti, to stay with Eritrea or to be an independent & a free Afar nation). In 1993, a fake a referendum was conducted with the help of Zenawi (our own leader) and Eritrea's dictator Isayas. That referendum was forced up on the AFAR people without their consent or wish. Look what is happing now - close to 20, 000 Afar refugees crossed the border from Eritrea to Ethiopia & the refugee flood is continuing. If such a pattern is ignored, the result is a civil war - a war between the Hamassien Elite of Eritrea vs The people of Afar. The racist Hamassien elites of Eritrea should stop dictating and abusing the Afar people.

Remember, Eritrea got her independent as a country (with 9 different ethnic group under it) blaming the Amhara elites of Ethiopia....what we are saying is that, similarly, those 9 ethnic group of Eritrea must be given a chance to decide their fate & wish. If they wish their independent, grant them!

Or else...This is what you get........:-

April 24, 2010 -- Two Eritrean rebel groups said they killed 11 government soldiers and wounded some 20 others in a coordinated attack on military camps in southern Eritrea.

The groups -- the Red Sea Afar Democratic Organisation (RSADO) and the Eritrean National Salvation Front (ENSF) -- said in a joint statement that they had briefly taken control of the camps on Thursday and seized weapons and military intelligence. (Reuters)

http://www.waltainfo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21088&Itemid=52

The referendum was about Eritrean independence in 1993 and Assab was part of Eritrea Italian colony. So according to the African Union, borders inherited from colonization are to be respected.
So you'd give the Afars the right to choose where they want to be (Eritrea, Djibouti, Ethiopia or Independence) hoping they will choose Ethiopia and you can finally get Assab? OK, now would you give the Somalis in the Ogaden the right for self-determination? Would you give your other minorities group the right of self-determination? Why was Ethiopia fighting Somalia back in 1977 to keep the Ogaden? Again, do not expect others to do something you're not willing to do yourself.

Assab was part of the Eritrean Italian colony right? When Eritrea got its independence, naturally Assab goes with it as part of Eritrea right? What makes the Afars so special in the point that they are the only ethnic group to have self-determination when others don't? Do you get my point? Shall we organize a referendum on Afar lands just because Ethiopia hopes to get Assab? Is that fair? I mean you claim Assab, I really don't care whether its Ethiopia or Eritrea that gets Assab but give me some logical explanation to your claims because I still don't see why you would claim Assab.
Just trying to understand, I'm not taking any sides, I hope I'm clear.


P.S: That referendum issue seems interesting, in your point, if the Afars choose to be part of Djibouti, they can. Interesting, I must admit, more land and few hundred thousands people wouldn't hurt. And it would be in Afar interest to choose Djibouti because if they do, it would be the only country they'd be the majority. Hmmm, interesting...

Guys come on, lets have a descent talk, constructive debate.

That is exactly what you expect when an Eritrean entering the arena. That is what Ethiopia had to put up for 40 odd years & and they (Eritreans) still can't get it & can't let go. Their inflated ego is a curse for the region - they need to be restrained in some sort of psychiatric hospitals.

P.S: That referendum issue seems interesting, in your point, if the Afars choose to be part of Djibouti, they can. Interesting, I must admit, more land and few hundred thousands people wouldn't hurt. And it would be in Afar interest to choose Djibouti because if they do, it would be the only country they'd be the majority. Hmmm, interesting...

Why not?
The key is, nations and nationalities must be given a chance to choose what they want i.e. let them decide their own fate with a fair and true referendum! If the Afar people wish to join Djibouti - Good luck to them! The main thing is that you can't impose your own rule upon them and dictate their life as you wish without asking their permission. In 1993, such a chance never been given to the Afar people - just like that and over night, they were told that they are part of Eritrea. They can't even cross the border to do whatever they used to do for last thousands of years. How can you justfy that. You can't blame the Afar people for starting a civil war to protect their God given right!

Ras Siyan you can't expect a civilized answer from "Ahadu", if you haven't noticed he is using Ethiopian-Weyane terminology such as "choose, let ethnic groups decide their own fate". This is the language used in Ethiopian political discourse as their own constitution grants the right of each ethnic based region to secede from the Ethiopian union and create their own state. So what's the hold up? If the Oromo, Ogaden, and other minorities were allowed to exercise this right, Ethiopia would crumble tomorrow.

As for Eritreans, you won't get prouder than them and yes that includes the Afars who were known to the best warriors and EPLF fighters. And they can't stand Ethiopians either, so stop wasting your time pandering Ahadu, they hate your guts.

Without the Cold War, there would be no Ethiopia today or at least in its current form. Ethiopia is a failed state, I don't see it staying in tact in the next five years.

Enjoy living your fake dream Ahadu, your inferiority complex will be the death of you.

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So you'd give the Afars the right to choose where they want to be (Eritrea, Djibouti, Ethiopia or Independence) hoping they will choose Ethiopia and you can finally get Assab? OK, now would you give the Somalis in the Ogaden the right for self-determination?...

As long as true and fair referendum is conducted, I am happy to accept gracefully the wish of the people. My point is, you can't run a referendum & expect me to accept the result while sticking your gun in my throat. In the first place, if you offer true democracy to the people, no body is willing to go it alone.

The Afar people are more Ethiopians than me! Ask any Afari, you will be surprised how much he/she is proud to be Ethiopian - even under the repressive rule of Mengistu Hailemariam. We Ethiopians lost not only a port but also dedicated true Ethiopians - The Afars!

Would you give your other minorities group the right of self-determination? Why was Ethiopia fighting Somalia back in 1977 to keep the Ogaden? Again, do not expect others to do something you're not willing to do yourself.

That was in 1977 - a different rule of game!

I personally believe that the right of minorities must be respected including the right to self determination. But, I can not accept an independent Oromia or Somalia because some opposition parties (OLF or ONLF) with gun want a free Oromo or Somalia. My message to OLF or ONLF is: Put down your gun first and convince the people of Oromo and Somalia peacefully about the good and bad of being part of Ethiopia - then let the people decide.

Assab was part of the Eritrean Italian colony right? When Eritrea got its independence, naturally Assab goes with it as part of Eritrea right? What makes the Afars so special in the point that they are the only ethnic group to have self-determination when others don't? ...

Don't get me wrong brother - I am not blind what is happning to the other Eritrean minorities,....there are other ethnic groups forced to be part of Eritrea without their wish.

Just as an example, how much do you know about the Kunamas? Almost all of them haven been driven out from Eritrea.

". . . The Kunamas' plight is a puzzle. Tens of thousand remain in Eritrea. Those who fled are mostly the population of two villages whose districts fell under the control of the Ethiopian army" (UN IRIN 2 Dec. 2002).

Their flight, alongside the Ethiopian army which pulled back under the ceasefire agreement, sparked accusations that they had sided with the Ethiopians. Historically, Eritrea has questioned the Kunamas' support for independence from Ethiopia" (UN IRIN 2 Dec. 2002).


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As for Eritreans, you won't get prouder than them and yes that includes the Afars who were known to the best warriors and EPLF fighters. And they can't stand Ethiopians either, so stop wasting your time pandering Ahadu, they hate your guts.

Dude,
You need to wake up and smell the coffee! Admit it, your independence is exposed & crumbled like a pack of card right in front of you. If I were you, I would go back to the Naqfa mountains and start fighting dictator Isayas or shall I say Mengistu the II !:)


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Ras Siyan, the issue of Assab has been explained over and over on this forum. You can look back to previous threads on this issue.

Basically, it boils down to:
1. The port of Assab was only used by Ethiopia. Now it's been shut down and doesn't operate anymore. IOW, it's never been used by Eritrea. Massawa (Mitsiwa) is the port of Eritrea traditionally.
2. The colonial borders of Eritrea were established by the Treaty signed by Ethiopia and Eritrea in the 19th century. That treaty is now invalid because Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1936.

Ras Siyan, the issue of Assab has been explained over and over on this forum. You can look back to previous threads on this issue.

Basically, it boils down to:
1. The port of Assab was only used by Ethiopia. Now it's been shut down and doesn't operate anymore. IOW, it's never been used by Eritrea. Massawa (Mitsiwa) is the port of Eritrea traditionally.
2. The colonial borders of Eritrea were established by the Treaty signed by Ethiopia and Eritrea in the 19th century. That treaty is now invalid because Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1936.

1. About 90% of the merchandise in Djibouti port is destined to Ethiopia, does that make Djibouti Ethiopian? We all know the reasons why Assab is not used, the economy of Eritrea is crumbling and war erupted with Ethiopia the biggest user of Assab port. But still I do not see that as a valid reason to claim Assab.

2. If the treaty is invalid as you say since Italy invaded Ethiopia, then the whole of Eritrean independence is invalid. Why would the invalidity of the treaty be considered only in the case of Assab?

And yes as you say, the case of Assab was discussed again and again. But I'm not Ethiopian and I do not share your views on that matter, so thats why I keep on trying to understand why Ethiopians claim Assab?

As long as true and fair referendum is conducted, I am happy to accept gracefully the wish of the people. My point is, you can't run a referendum & expect me to accept the result while sticking your gun in my throat. In the first place, if you offer true democracy to the people, no body is willing to go it alone.

The Afar people are more Ethiopians than me! Ask any Afari, you will be surprised how much he/she is proud to be Ethiopian - even under the repressive rule of Mengistu Hailemariam. We Ethiopians lost not only a port but also dedicated true Ethiopians - The Afars!



That was in 1977 - a different rule of game!

I personally believe that the right of minorities must be respected including the right to self determination. But, I can not accept an independent Oromia or Somalia because some opposition parties (OLF or ONLF) with gun want a free Oromo or Somalia. My message to OLF or ONLF is: Put down your gun first and convince the people of Oromo and Somalia peacefully about the good and bad of being part of Ethiopia - then let the people decide.



Don't get me wrong brother - I am not blind what is happning to the other Eritrean minorities,....there are other ethnic groups forced to be part of Eritrea without their wish.

Just as an example, how much do you know about the Kunamas? Almost all of them haven been driven out from Eritrea.

". . . The Kunamas' plight is a puzzle. Tens of thousand remain in Eritrea. Those who fled are mostly the population of two villages whose districts fell under the control of the Ethiopian army" (UN IRIN 2 Dec. 2002).

Their flight, alongside the Ethiopian army which pulled back under the ceasefire agreement, sparked accusations that they had sided with the Ethiopians. Historically, Eritrea has questioned the Kunamas' support for independence from Ethiopia" (UN IRIN 2 Dec. 2002).


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Thanks for answering. Again brother, I would like to say that I'm not taking sides but trying to understand your claims on Assab. Do not get me wrong.

I'd try to be brief. So mentioning the OLF and ONLF, you say that the reason why you're not considering them seriously is because of the fact that they use violence is it? Well then, would these peoples go to that point if they knew Ethiopia would grant them self-determination and respect the outcome? Isn't that similar to the Afar case you described in Eritrea where the Afars are starting a rebellion because their wills are not respected? I personally think its pretty much the same, and I even believe that the OLF and ONLF are more determined about leaving the Ethiopian Federation than the Afars are about leaving Eritrea.

For the Afars being Ethiopian patriots, I'm not sure we could generalize that because the Afars here in Djibouti are Djiboutian patriots as well. I guess that would be the case of Eritrean Afars as well. I know Eritrean Afars here and they celebrate the Eritrean independence Day in Djibouti (we have Afars here too, but they still feel Eritrean).

Again, I do not see why you guys claim Assab which is Eritrean, come on. I understand that it has something to do with national pride and Ethiopia wanting to have access to the sea. But is our region ready for another war? Lets just be pleased with what we have and start living in peace with our neighbors. I mean Djibouti is the smallest country in the region, but we do not claim any other country's land. Even though I acknowledge that there are historic claims on Assab from Djibouti too. Those who advocate say that since the Afar Rahaita Sultanate is mostly in Djibouti, a tiny portion including Assab is in Eritrea, so Assab should be Djiboutian. But I personally oppose these claims because it would create tensions with Eritrea. If you take Assab, be ready to give up the Somali Region for Somalia one day or give an independent Oromia.

Peace and regional integration is the solution to our problems not territorial claims and war. Lets just live side by side as good neighbors and invest more on regional integration and infrastructure than bloody costly wars.

Peace in Somalia
Peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea
Peace between Ethiopia and Somalia
Peace between Eritrea and Djibouti

Peace and development for the whole Horn of Africa region!

Thanks for answering. Again brother, I would like to say that I'm not taking sides but trying to understand your claims on Assab. Do not get me wrong.

I'd try to be brief. So mentioning the OLF and ONLF, you say that the reason why you're not considering them seriously is because of the fact that they use violence is it? Well then, would these peoples go to that point if they knew Ethiopia would grant them self-determination and respect the outcome? Isn't that similar to the Afar case you described in Eritrea where the Afars are starting a rebellion because their wills are not respected? I personally think its pretty much the same, and I even believe that the OLF and ONLF are more determined about leaving the Ethiopian Federation than the Afars are about leaving Eritrea.

For the Afars being Ethiopian patriots, I'm not sure we could generalize that because the Afars here in Djibouti are Djiboutian patriots as well. I guess that would be the case of Eritrean Afars as well. I know Eritrean Afars here and they celebrate the Eritrean independence Day in Djibouti (we have Afars here too, but they still feel Eritrean).

Again, I do not see why you guys claim Assab which is Eritrean, come on. I understand that it has something to do with national pride and Ethiopia wanting to have access to the sea. But is our region ready for another war? Lets just be pleased with what we have and start living in peace with our neighbors. I mean Djibouti is the smallest country in the region, but we do not claim any other country's land. Even though I acknowledge that there are historic claims on Assab from Djibouti too. Those who advocate say that since the Afar Rahaita Sultanate is mostly in Djibouti, a tiny portion including Assab is in Eritrea, so Assab should be Djiboutian. But I personally oppose these claims because it would create tensions with Eritrea. If you take Assab, be ready to give up the Somali Region for Somalia one day or give an independent Oromia.

Excuse me? This shows how much you know about Ethiopia:bash:. The Assab issue is to complicated for me to explain in English, I can only find the right words to explain this in Swedish:)

Thanks for answering. Again brother, I would like to say that I'm not taking sides but trying to understand your claims on Assab. Do not get me wrong.

I'd try to be brief. So mentioning the OLF and ONLF, you say that the reason why you're not considering them seriously is because of the fact that they use violence is it? Well then, would these peoples go to that point if they knew Ethiopia would grant them self-determination and respect the outcome? Isn't that similar to the Afar case you described in Eritrea where the Afars are starting a rebellion because their wills are not respected? I personally think its pretty much the same, and I even believe that the OLF and ONLF are more determined about leaving the Ethiopian Federation than the Afars are about leaving Eritrea.

For the Afars being Ethiopian patriots, I'm not sure we could generalize that because the Afars here in Djibouti are Djiboutian patriots as well. I guess that would be the case of Eritrean Afars as well. I know Eritrean Afars here and they celebrate the Eritrean independence Day in Djibouti (we have Afars here too, but they still feel Eritrean).

Again, I do not see why you guys claim Assab which is Eritrean, come on. I understand that it has something to do with national pride and Ethiopia wanting to have access to the sea. But is our region ready for another war? Lets just be pleased with what we have and start living in peace with our neighbors. I mean Djibouti is the smallest country in the region, but we do not claim any other country's land. Even though I acknowledge that there are historic claims on Assab from Djibouti too. Those who advocate say that since the Afar Rahaita Sultanate is mostly in Djibouti, a tiny portion including Assab is in Eritrea, so Assab should be Djiboutian. But I personally oppose these claims because it would create tensions with Eritrea. If you take Assab, be ready to give up the Somali Region for Somalia one day or give an independent Oromia.


OLF is changing tactics and is now trying to be appealing to the masses and this is evident by recent news of fighters surrendering and giving up the armed struggle. OLF it self has split up and one of the founders even exposed the lies it used to gain supporters.

http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?blog=17&title=ethiopia_former_olf_leader_exposes_olf_a&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?blog=17&title=olf_founder_exposes_eritrea_s_leader_opp&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

http://jimmatimes.com/article/Latest_News/Latest_News/Over_100_OLF_rebels_from_Kenya_surrender/33154

http://gadaa.com/news/?p=2762

http://www.ethiotube.net/video/7490/ETV-reports-that-Oromo-Liberation-Front-OLF-fighters-surrender-to-Ethiopian-authorities

http://www.ethiotube.net/video/7530/ETV-News--More-OLF-fighters-arrested--previously-surrendered-OLF-leaders-working-to-resolve-political-issues


Ethiopia is a country made up of many ethnic groups and each one of these organizations know each ethnic group is reliant on the other so the OLF is also pushing for democracy rather than an independent state. Ethiopians ethnic groups are closely related and many people are of mixed ethnicities and getting an independent oromia is almost impossible. ONLF is also not as active; a similar group (The United Western Somali Liberation Front) has recently surrendered. If democracy prevails along with economic growth and stability these groups will fail to attract supporters.

http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/markets/100275012-1-ethiopia-says-rebels-threatening-oil.html

I'd try to be brief. So mentioning the OLF and ONLF, you say that the reason why you're not considering them seriously is because of the fact that they use violence is it? Well then, would these peoples go to that point if they knew Ethiopia would grant them self-determination and respect the outcome?

Siyan,
In the first Ethiopian federal parliament (1995), the OLF had 12 seats. We know well that having 12 seats only wasn't enough - but, do not forget that it was the first federal parliament ever in the land of Ethiopia - it was the beginning of the long journey. According to the federal rule, the parliament is obligated to choose president of Ethiopia. Mr. Leta Lencho of OLF was nominated to be the first Ethiopian President. Guess what.....he refused to the nomination saying that he has no experience - how funny is that?? Why in the hell is he in the parliament to begin with?? This clearly tells you those liberation groups can't even think an inch longer than their nose let alone creating a state. The Ethiopian constitution clearly indicates the right to self determination including and up to secession (Art 39). All this so called liberation fronts are complaining that the constitution is to complicated to achieve their goal. How can you deal with those morons??? The only thing they know is gun. We are refusing to follow their way. Use the avilable constitution peacefuly and fight for your dream - that's our answer.

Isn't that similar to the Afar case you described in Eritrea where the Afars are starting a rebellion because their wills are not respected? I personally think its pretty much the same, and I even believe that the OLF and ONLF are more determined about leaving the Ethiopian Federation than the Afars are about leaving Eritrea.

Siyan,
Who is running Eritrea right now. Eritrea is under the rule of the elites Tgriyan speaking Orthodox Christians. Don't forget that!! These elites were staunch anti Ethio-Eritrea Federation (1952 -1962). They used to be called The Unionists. They were responsible for dismantling the Federal system with the help of King Haileselassie. When the King deposed (1974), they were disappointed and start a liberation struggle. The elites were virtually running the entire Ethiopia. Take Ethiopian Airlines - until 1998, it was a home for those Eritreans. I have never seen Eritrean beggars in the streets of Addis - they all used to be above the middle class. When 75,000 of them deported - every single Ethiopians were happy. They were well known parasites. Now look at them. All their suffering is due to their own mischief.............They do not have a right to dictate and mess up the life of the Afars and other minorities!!

I know Eritrean Afars here and they celebrate the Eritrean independence Day in Djibouti (we have Afars here too, but they still feel Eritrean).

How many of them???:)

Again, I do not see why you guys claim Assab which is Eritrean, come on. I understand that it has something to do with national pride and Ethiopia wanting to have access to the sea. But is our region ready for another war? Lets just be pleased with what we have and start living in peace with our neighbors.

Siyan,
Can't you see?? The Ethiopian government let the Eritreans to have their independent. But, they are still at war with us. Why? Because their bargaining chip "The Assab Port" failed to work. They are in deep shiiittt - financially and economically!.....All colonial treaty is void - never been implemented on the ground. Based on that, our demand is: re-draw the border (we know who is going to be a loser), accept the right of minorities (the Afars, the Kunamas etc.)..........time will tell that an independent Eritrea is nothing but fake invented by the elite Tgriyan speaking Orthodox Christians.

Djibouti Backs off from Proposed Operation Monopoly at Doraleh

The government of Djibouti backed off, last week, from its plans to grant exclusive rights to a private consortium, which would have undertaken the operation of container stuffing and unstuffing inside its own premises, sources disclosed to Fortune.
Spearheaded by a logistic firm, Maersk Djibouti Container Freight Station (MDCFS), these operations were given to this consortium, which opened a specially designated location known in Djibouti as PK 12. This is an area on the outskirts of Djibouti Town, a couple of kilometres from the Doraleh Port. This stirred an uproar in Djibouti and Ethiopia among forwarding companies and led to hundreds of trucks stranded inside the port.
Ethiopia has an average of 100,000 inbound containers a year. Close to half of them get unstuffed at the container terminal inside Doraleh, upon the request of the importers. Its outbound containers are estimated to reach between 30,000 and 40,000 units annually. Close to 90pc of this is stuffed in Djibouti.
The additional burden on Ethiopia’s economy as a result of the new procedure would have come close to 8.6 million dollars, according to industry experts.
Authorities in Djibouti reconsidered their decision last week, according to these sources. They have allowed containers bound for export from Ethiopia to continue being stuffed inside Doraleh, while all containers brought to the port by the state owned Ethiopian Shipping Lines (ESL) will continue being unstuffed there.
Managers of DPWorld Djibouti have already communicated this decision to their counterparts at the ESL, according to these sources.
However, a couple of trucks - operated by PACKTRA Plc - loaded with containers and belonging to the Ethiopian Electric Power Corporation (EEPCo) remain stranded inside PK 12. Cargoes in these trucks, stranded for six days now, are processed by PACKTRA’s forwarding agent in Djibouti, Inchcape, one of the partners for Maersk. Although Inchcape processed the documentations, Ethiopian customs officers in Djibouti declined to issue a “forward way bill,” a document cargoes need to enter the country.
However, it is not clear whether this is a reversed decision or a temporary measure in order to address the issue of trucks held inside the port. But it is a political decision that came from the highest order of the government in Djibouti, due to the circumstances, officials involved in the process claimed.
The government has also proposed that forwarding companies in Djibouti receive their own designated plots near the port, and continue to undertake their respective operations of stuffing and unstuffing containers, sources disclosed.
Ethiopian authorities, in the meantime, met last week to respond to Djibouti’s unanticipated move, where they agreed that their long-term response should be to undertake all stuffing and unstuffing of containers at the dry port established in Modjo, Oromia Regional State, and Semera, Afar Regional State, reliable sources disclosed.

http://www.addisfortune.com/Djibouti%20Backs%20off%20from%20Proposed%20Operation%20Monopoly%20at%20Doraleh.htm

Ethiopian does not have issues with Djibouti - our beef is with the leader of Tigrayian ellities of Eritrea (including those Amichies who bite our hand ). However, If the mad man Issayas Afeworki dare to invade Djibouti and attempts to chock us:), Ethiopia will have a good excuse to move-in into Eritrea & remove tyrant Issayas for good. Djibouti doesn't even look up the French for help - we can fix the bully with the way we know!

yeh! But who knows the futute.

Peace and regional integration is the solution to our problems not territorial claims and war. Lets just live side by side as good neighbors and invest more on regional integration and infrastructure than bloody costly wars.

Peace in Somalia
Peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea
Peace between Ethiopia and Somalia
Peace between Eritrea and Djibouti

Peace and development for the whole Horn of Africa region!

Would be nice, but I don't see it happening anytime soon, and it will probably get worse before it gets better. There is just bad blood between and within the countries of the Horn due to rivalries, and outsiders take advantage of this for their own interests. It is one big chess board.

It isn't in the interest of the current state of the region for regional integration.

Read some of the posts in this thread, these are the common mentalities of Horn Africans. Combative and Frivolous.

No wonder it's the poorest part of the entire world.

P.S.

Here is a Hypothetical scenario of the future.....

Point A: Ethiopia will invade Eritrea (we can't go forward while a mad man Isayas is messing us around) - unlike 1998 - 2000 war, this time though , dictator Isayas will be removed and replaced by a puppet government:).

Point B: Ethiopia will invite the UN to conduct a referendum for the Afar people. This time, both Eritrea & Ethiopian opposition and government will be allowed to convince & offer to the Afar people the best option avilable:


PEACE

Its not a bad idea but you have a problem even if the afar want to be part of Ethiopia under international law they can't be recognised as an indpendent state unless Eritrea agrees to it.

Poor Ahadu, Eritrea obviously gives him nightmares. If anything you should fear an Eritrean invasion, history is not on your side....

The fate of Ethiopia, it's Armageddon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OmvxNqFZw8

Poor Ahadu, Eritrea obviously gives him nightmares. If anything you should fear an Eritrean invasion, history is not on your side....

dude, give it up already.:lol:
You guys got want you want ... Independence. I applaud your determination for 'freedom':lol:, so now take that freedom and create that Utopia society shabia dreamt of bringing to reality. You can't undo whats already done, there is no more unification with Ethiopia, whether as a federation or confederation. I am dead serious on that one, we are done, we have had enough of each other. Its not you but its me :lol:
MOVE ON! 'cause we have.

Would be nice, but I don't see it happening anytime soon, and it will probably get worse before it gets better. There is just bad blood between and within the countries of the Horn due to rivalries, and outsiders take advantage of this for their own interests. It is one big chess board.

It isn't in the interest of the current state of the region for regional integration.

Read some of the posts in this thread, these are the common mentalities of Horn Africans. Combative and Frivolous.

No wonder it's the poorest part of the entire world.

Yes. It wont happen anytime soon. You can't use a magic wand and undo everything, there is bad blood among these nations. Is it a good idea that they work together for the betterment of their people, ABSOLUTELY YES! will it actually happen? .... Absolutely NO ... why? because we don't trust each other yet. If all the countries in the Horn, including Somalia, have a democratically elected representatives, things will hopefully change in about 50 years. But since no country in the region wants democracy and has respect for each other... my guess is it will take more than 50 years before we can see people across the borders working together on a common goal to eradicate poverty.
Unfortunately you can't choose who your neighbors are ... if we could we would have been FAR FAR AWAY from that region.

dude, give it up already.:lol:
You guys got want you want ... Independence. I applaud your determination for 'freedom':lol:, so now take that freedom and create that Utopia society shabia dreamt of bringing to reality. You can't undo whats already done, there is no more unification with Ethiopia, whether as a federation or confederation. I am dead serious on that one, we are done, we have had enough of each other. Its not you but its me :lol:
MOVE ON! 'cause we have.

Why would we want to attach ourselves to famine and disease? But since you Ethiopians think Assab is the cure to everything such as AIDS, hunger, and poverty, we'll let you use it with 10% tax under the condition you give us 70% of your fertile land....it's obvious you Ethiopians prefer a beach over profitable land. Why bother selling it to India and China? Sell it to your neighbors...

[B]we'll let you use it with 10% tax under the condition you give us 70% of your fertile land[/B. :lol:

You are definitely funny.
I am not even going down the road to disrespect the poor people of Eritrea who are trapped by what they created themselves to begin with. I don't know if you got my drift earlier we DO NOT WANT ANYTHING to do WITH ERITREA. I can use a bigger font and make it bold next time. But you should understand by now, we are not out of options, we are thriving with Djibouti's port. Kenya is building a new port to be used mainly by south Sudan and us, so again WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ERITREA. Everything I have said so far, is based on facts and nothing I have presented is made to make a mockery of Eritrea, because we Ethiopians are better than that.
Again, please create your own Eritrea section and have fun there, leave this section for the hard working people of Ethiopia.

Why bother selling it to India and China? Sell it to your neighbors...

I would rather have an alien from outer space with one eye, and 5 hands, buy our land than an Eritrean! I am trying to create a picture for you here. I don't want to go into detail why I came up with my reasons, but believe me Ethiopia is much better without Eritrea. I don't care if Eritrea has oil,diamond,platnum,gold,Iron-ore ... Every known rare earth element. The people of Eritrea are not the best people to live with. The best I would pray for is peace and stability based on mutual respect. NO LOVE, just peace.

Ethiopia tikdem

Ethiopia still suffers from psychological slavery. Eritrea is more in the dialogue of Ethiopians than the other way around. If anything Eritrea would prefer to switch borders with Cape Verde, but obviously it's not possible. Your country has vast amounts of resources, but you don't know how to use them. You whine and cry about Eritrea everyday and its booming success while you fail to capitalize on your own resources. That's what happens when you have incompetent individuals running a government.

Ethiopia still suffers from psychological slavery. Eritrea is more in the dialogue of Ethiopians than the other way around. If anything Eritrea would prefer to switch borders with Cape Verde, but obviously it's not possible. Your country has vast amounts of resources, but you don't know how to use them. You whine and cry about Eritrea everyday and its booming success while you fail to capitalize on your own resources. That's what happens when you have incompetent individuals running a government.

I don't personally know the last time I had a conversation about Eritrea, with family or close friends. The last one I had was with an Eritrean who reflected his deep interest to go back to Ethiopia, that is why I have said the things I have. There may be people on both sides who might entertain this idea of coming together on some common grounds, but that will not happen whether you like it or not. That being said, if you feel strongly as you said about not wanting to re-unite with us, then I have to say we have more in common and an understanding. Please try to be civil when talking about Ethiopia, because it doesn't reflect your maturity when you use derogatory terms to talk about a very large country like ours.
God forbid we re-unite, I will never go back to my country. I will sell my house in Bole, and settle here forever, I am dead serious about Eritrea. Its made up of people who do not want to create a harmonious unity, but they would rather create division and discriminate against their own people. Humans depend on each other for survival and if I can't create the loving peaceful relationship with my neighbor then we are both doomed to fail. I would quote the former Egyptian president, " There can be hope only for a society which acts as one big family, not as many separate ones"

BTW, why do you still have the Freedomfighter screen name? Didn't Eritrea win its freedom 20 whopping years ago?

Trust me we have no plans of "reuniting" with you.....try finding another dream. As for my moniker Eritrea is one of the few countries left "fighting" against western imperialism/neo-colonialism.

Again, if someone could explain to me why Ethiopians claim Assab when it is in Eritrea and part of the Eritrea Italian colony. I seriously do not understand.

There is really no reason to go back before 1998-2000. Ethiopia granted independence to Eritrea in 1993 -- the accepted border clearly gave Assab to Eritrea.

However, in 1998 Eritrea invaded Ethiopia, in a quite dastardly attack. The Ethiopian military struggled at first, but was in a clearly superior position by 2000. The Ethiopians were able to take back Badme and environs, and they could have taken Assab. Many Ethiopians think the government should have seized Assab and annexed it. Nations seize territory in war; after Eritrea attacked, the Ethio-Italian treaty could no longer dictate the result of the conflict.

Hence, many Ethiopians blame the EPRDF for having been generous towards Eritrea in the conduct of the conflict.

Given that Eritrea has continued to support acts of violence in Ethiopia, Ethiopia could use this as casus belli (reason to go to war) and seize the port once and for all.

Personally, that's what I think Ethiopia should do. Eritrea is weak, cash starved, and increasingly suffers from poor morale. Ethiopia should take the opportunity to take Assab.

1. About 90% of the merchandise in Djibouti port is destined to Ethiopia, does that make Djibouti Ethiopian? We all know the reasons why Assab is not used, the economy of Eritrea is crumbling and war erupted with Ethiopia the biggest user of Assab port. But still I do not see that as a valid reason to claim Assab.

2. If the treaty is invalid as you say since Italy invaded Ethiopia, then the whole of Eritrean independence is invalid. Why would the invalidity of the treaty be considered only in the case of Assab?

And yes as you say, the case of Assab was discussed again and again. But I'm not Ethiopian and I do not share your views on that matter, so thats why I keep on trying to understand why Ethiopians claim Assab?

1. The port was Ethiopia's port from its founding. Italy annexed it when it colonised Eritrea to deny Ethiopia (then Abyssinia) the use of the port. It was a tactical move because we traded with the world from there and we had a navy.

2. I'm not the one deciding it's invalid. It's called international law: treaties are no longer valid when one of the signatories violate them. IOW, the whole of Eritrea's borders are renegotiable, however, we are more interested in Assab because that costs our economy billions every year.

We've talked and explained this over and over. You have the right to disagree, but we have made our point clear.

Oh my :ohno:

yeah, this is beyond disgusting.

Thanks guys for the explanations, think I have a clearer picture now. But no matter what the issue is, I just hope Assab won't trigger another war between the 2 countries.

The horn of Africa is heating up with anger, therefor, you guys in Djibouti have no choice, but must increase your army size before its too late.

You are right, the Horn of Africa is a violent region, we should build a stronger army. We can't have a large army because our whole population is about 800,000.
I think it would be better if we follow the example of countries like Singapore. It's the smallest country in South East Asia but has the best equipped army in South East Asia, best air force in Asia ect...But first, we need to be much more developed to finance all of that.

It really is frustrating to see all of this, looks like here in the Horn of Africa, people have other priorities.

I personally believe that the right of minorities must be respected including the right to self determination. But, I can not accept an independent Oromia or Somalia because some opposition parties (OLF or ONLF) with gun want a free Oromo or Somalia. My message to OLF or ONLF is: Put down your gun first and convince the people of Oromo and Somalia peacefully about the good and bad of being part of Ethiopia - then let the people decide.


This is why I find Ethiopians to be Hypocritical.

They want to claim parts of Eritrea and claim Afar people need a referendum. Yet they deny it to the Oromos and Somalis.

Let me hit you with some useful knowledge, ONLF won regional parliamentary elections in 1993, 85% of the Somali regional parliament was ONLF, 10% was WSLF, and 5% was the Dir and Gurgura liberation front.

In 1995 when the new constitution was installed, The ONLF rightfully and legally asked for a referendum for self determination. It was their constitutional right. They followed all legal procedures, but then suddenly the Ethiopian government dissolved parliament and arrested all ONLF leaders, hence leading the ONLF to take up arms.

Clearly the majority of the Ogaden want to secede and become their own state. I have been to Dire Dawa and Jigjiga and spoken to the people. They don’t want to be part of Ethiopia

I suggest Afar/Somalis/Oromos all should be given self-determination, not everyone likes being ruled by highlanders. And most Afars would rather join Djibouti than Ethiopia

You are right, the Horn of Africa is a violent region, we should build a stronger army. We can't have a large army because our whole population is about 800,000.
I think it would be better if we follow the example of countries like Singapore. It's the smallest country in South East Asia but has the best equipped army in South East Asia, best air force in Asia ect...But first, we need to be much more developed to finance all of that.

It really is frustrating to see all of this, looks like here in the Horn of Africa, people have other priorities.

No one is touching Djibouti. It’s a military base for both France and America and now even Japan is opening a military base. With the recent Nile developments, if Ethiopia-Eritrea go to war. Eritrea will have the backing of Arab World with all their financial might

What's with the "they"? His name is Ahadu, one out of 85 million. :lol:

What's with the "they"? His name is Ahadu, one out of 85 million. :lol:

Majority of Ethiopians especially highlanders think Assab belongs to them

Look, you only signed onto this forum to start a fight and I'm not gonna bite. The point has been made over and over and if you disagree, tough.

Assab was gifted to Eritrea by Meles, not by Ethiopians. If it's not resolved sometime soon, it's going to lead to further instability in the Horn so it's in everyone's favor that the mess created by Meles gets fixed. The end.

Look, you only signed onto this forum to start a fight and I'm not gonna bite. The point has been made over and over and if you disagree, tough.

Assab was gifted to Eritrea by Meles, not by Ethiopians. If it's not resolved sometime soon, it's going to lead to further instability in the Horn so it's in everyone's favor that the mess created by Meles gets fixed. The end.

How is it a mess? Eritreans voted for an independent state. They got what they asked for and Assab is a part of Eritrea.
Hence why Ethiopia is port less
Maybe if they were treated better than Eritreans may have voted to stay.

I see no problem here. The real problem is Ethiopia claiming something that is rightfully these

The Irony here is that, One's who claim that Melez gave away Assab to Eriteria are all Amhara. Quit Intriguing. I guess not being in Power any longer suck's.:lol:

^^What about Gurages? :lol:

This is why I find Ethiopians to be Hypocritical.

They want to claim parts of Eritrea and claim Afar people need a referendum. Yet they deny it to the Oromos and Somalis.

Let me hit you with some useful knowledge, ONLF won regional parliamentary elections in 1993, 85% of the Somali regional parliament was ONLF, 10% was WSLF, and 5% was the Dir and Gurgura liberation front.

In 1995 when the new constitution was installed, The ONLF rightfully and legally asked for a referendum for self determination. It was their constitutional right. They followed all legal procedures, but then suddenly the Ethiopian government dissolved parliament and arrested all ONLF leaders, hence leading the ONLF to take up arms.

Clearly the majority of the Ogaden want to secede and become their own state. I have been to Dire Dawa and Jigjiga and spoken to the people. They don’t want to be part of Ethiopia

I suggest Afar/Somalis/Oromos all should be given self-determination, not everyone likes being ruled by highlanders. And most Afars would rather join Djibouti than Ethiopia

Looks like Ahadu forgot to mention these.

1. The port was Ethiopia's port from its founding. Italy annexed it when it colonised Eritrea to deny Ethiopia (then Abyssinia) the use of the port. It was a tactical move because we traded with the world from there and we had a navy.

2. I'm not the one deciding it's invalid. It's called international law: treaties are no longer valid when one of the signatories violate them. IOW, the whole of Eritrea's borders are renegotiable, however, we are more interested in Assab because that costs our economy billions every year.

We've talked and explained this over and over. You have the right to disagree, but we have made our point clear.

What a joke, actually before the Italians Assab was controlled by Afar sultans and prior it served as the port for Midri Bahri (A republic that preceded Eritrea). As for "Abyssinia" it was no more than petty northern amhara and tigray lands that had no concrete borders and wars were constantly fought over leadership. Gradually over term this petty region grew with the assistance of Europeans, as Abbysinia grew into Shewa (oromo land) then the Oromo exterior, Ogaden, and other territories. Assab was in the control of the modern state of Ethiopia in the 1950s when it was granted to you by the United Nations (U.S.) and a horrible mistake it was as millions of people starved anyway because of disney loony toon leaders.

You don't have any intrinsic right to any sea, your motives for such action is emotionally and politically based. How about you Ethiopians wake up from your drunken dreams and actually work for your people for a change, there are many landlocked countries thriving in the world. The port of Assab is just another excuse for you economically/politically retarded gov't. A single port will not save you from the inevitable which is the ultimate disintegration of the faux Ethiopian state. The oppressed nationalities have had enough of the 150 year odd prison called Ethiopia. Don't try bothering trying to distract with a petty port, they're much smarter than you. Armageddon is coming.

No one is touching Djibouti. It’s a military base for both France and America and now even Japan is opening a military base. With the recent Nile developments, if Ethiopia-Eritrea go to war. Eritrea will have the backing of Arab World with all their financial might

No they will not. Eritrea funds Islamist militants in places like Somalia. This is NOT appreciated by many countries, including Saudi Arabia and the US. Eritrea has made itself a rouge state.

The only significant Arab support might come from Egypt -- to weaken Ethiopia. But even for Egypt they may not want to back an enemy of the USA. Eritrea is alone.

You don't have any intrinsic right to any sea, your motives for such action is emotionally and politically based. How about you Ethiopians wake up from your drunken dreams and actually work for your people for a change, there are many landlocked countries thriving in the world. The port of Assab is just another excuse for you economically/politically retarded gov't. A single port will not save you from the inevitable which is the ultimate disintegration of the faux Ethiopian state. The oppressed nationalities have had enough of the 150 year odd prison called Ethiopia. Don't try bothering trying to distract with a petty port, they're much smarter than you. Armageddon is coming.
Yes, but those landlocked countries have good neighbors, with stable governments, good infrastructure, and less corruption. Ethiopia's neighbors largely stink as commercial partners. Djibouti and Somaliland are probably the neighbors that Ethiopia can depend upon the most regarding commercial activity. Kenya is decent, but Kenya's ports and population centers are too far away (right now -- a good railroad could change all that).

No they will not. Eritrea funds Islamist militants in places like Somalia. This is NOT appreciated by many countries, including Saudi Arabia and the US. Eritrea has made itself a rouge state.

The only significant Arab support might come from Egypt -- to weaken Ethiopia. But even for Egypt they may not want to back an enemy of the USA. Eritrea is alone.

If Eritrea is arming Islamist militants in Somalia, where is the evidence?

No they will not. Eritrea funds Islamist militants in places like Somalia. This is NOT appreciated by many countries, including Saudi Arabia and the US. Eritrea has made itself a rouge state.

The only significant Arab support might come from Egypt -- to weaken Ethiopia. But even for Egypt they may not want to back an enemy of the USA. Eritrea is alone.

Says a person from a country that is the biggest slave to the U.S. and invaded Somalia in 2006. You want to guess where Al Shabab gets its weapons? No it isn't Eritrea, (we don't even share a border, use your head), they get it from Ethiopia/United States through the black market. How sad....Ethiopia won't be missed when it shares the same fate as Yugoslavia in the next upcoming months.

Says a person from a country that is the biggest slave to the U.S. and invaded Somalia in 2006. You want to guess where Al Shabab gets its weapons? No it isn't Eritrea, (we don't even share a border, use your head), they get it from Ethiopia/United States through the black market. How sad....Ethiopia won't be missed when it shares the same fate as Yugoslavia in the next upcoming months.

Why in the world would Eritrea need to share a border with Somalia to provide support to the Islamists? Perhaps you've heard of "ships" or "planes?" Also, Eritrea can support them simply by wiring money into their bank accounts. Please, "use your head!"

Why in the world would Eritrea need to share a border with Somalia to provide support to the Islamists? Perhaps you've heard of "ships" or "planes?" Also, Eritrea can support them simply by wiring money into their bank accounts. Please, "use your head!"

You're an idiot, if they were using "ships and planes' it would be very noticeable, hence why the world does not have any evidence of Eritrea supporting radical Islamists. Yet it is widely known that Al Shabab receives it weapons from Ethiopia through the black market.

In contrast, Dumusani Khumalo, South Africa’s Ambassador to the UN and the chair of the UN special committee on Somalia has just issued a report that said that at least 80% of the arms available in Somalia came from Ethiopia or were arms “donated” by the USA and other western countries to the so called “Somalia Transitional Government” and then sold on the black market, often times to the resistance. So much for enforcing the UN arms embargo for Somalia. Just another case of acquired amnesia for the “distorters” working for the western media here in east Africa.

If Eritrea is arming Islamist militants in Somalia, where is the evidence?

Ask the UN security council, that including China. Are you saying all this countries lied, bent on what the US wanted? If so then you are in a losing bet.

Ask the UN security council, that including China. Are you saying all this countries lied, bent on what the US wanted? If so then you are in a losing bet.

There is no evidence....and China did not vote. It was 13-1 (Libya voting against it). The U.N is a tool for the U.S. and Ethiopia is the slave that does in the bidding in the Horn of Africa. Nothing new.

Ask the UN security council, that including China. Are you saying all this countries lied, bent on what the US wanted? If so then you are in a losing bet.

I know Eritrea and Ethiopia hate each other, however, we have our own news sources we follow daily.

You're an idiot, if they were using "ships and planes' it would be very noticeable, hence why the world does not have any evidence of Eritrea supporting radical Islamists. Yet it is widely known that Al Shabab receives it weapons from Ethiopia through the black market.

You lie.

The Eritrean government is going down in flames.

US threatens Eritrea over support for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists
The US has warned Eritrea it risks American military action for its support for a Somalian terrorist group linked to a plot to attack President Barack Obama

The Red Sea dictatorship has drawn the wrath of America by backing extremist Islamic groups in Somalia as part of a proxy war with Ethiopia, its former ruler.

It champions al-Shabaab, an al-Qaeda-linked group that American intelligence believes has trained a dozen of its own citizens to carry out attacks in the US.

Subsequently Washington quietly warned Eritrea, a former Italian colony which was occupied by Britain during the Second World War, it could suffer the same fate as Taliban-controlled Afghanistan in the wake of the September 11 attacks, if the plot was carried out.

"Eritrea has chosen the wrong path," said a source. "There are consequences for working with al-Shabaab when President Obama cannot afford to look weak on terrorism by not retaliating if there is an attack on the homeland.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/eritrea/5173129/US-threatens-Eritrea-over-support-for-al-Qaeda-linked-terrorists.html

AS it boosts aid to Somalia's weak interim government to fight an al-Qa'ida-linked Islamist militia, the Obama administration is grasping for ways to cut off what it says is one of the militant group's main supply lines: the tiny Red Sea state of Eritrea.

The enigmatic and authoritarian nation has emerged as a principal player in the conflict in lawless Somalia, where the enfeebled government is struggling for survival against the extremist al-Shabaab faction.

US, UN and other investigators say the Eritrean government is funnelling money, weapons and other supplies to al-Shabaab, which Western intelligence agencies regard as a growing regional and international threat bent on using Somalia as a base to export terrorism abroad....

After pledging last week to expand US support, including military aid, to the beleaguered Somali government and an undermanned and under-equipped African peacekeeping force protecting it, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a stern new warning to Eritrea.

"It is long past time for Eritrea to cease and desist its support for al-Shabaab," she said at a news conference with Somali President Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed. "We are making it very clear that their actions are unacceptable. We intend to take action if they do not cease."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/eritrea-warned-on-al-shabaab-links/story-e6frg6so-1225759586190

It really doesn't matter who supports who in the long run.

All foreign countries that are involved in Somalia are perpetuating the war and support warlords, nobody is "clean" on the issue. No moral ground.

There is no evidence....and China did not vote. It was 13-1 (Libya voting against it). The U.N is a tool for the U.S. and Ethiopia is the slave that does in the bidding in the Horn of Africa. Nothing new.

Libya vs all others including all IGAD countries and the AU.... like I wrote, u'r in a losing bet.

Eritrea is supporting the Al Shabab (these crazy guys that are ruining that beautiful country). That is a fact, we all know it.
Eritrea also invaded the northern tip of Djibouti, even though Asmara denies it, it is a well known fact too. Djibouti was pushing hard to get these sanctions against Eritrea and Libya was the only country that voted against. The Libyans even sent their foreign minister to give explanations to Djibouti on why it didn't vote because we have good relations with Libya.

Anyway, the point is Issais Afewerki is the crazy dictator running in war with all its neighbors, no one is blaming the Eritrean people (we see them as brothers). But the facts are there, Issaias is isolating his country and that is not in Eritrea's national interest.

Eritrea is supporting the Al Shabab (these crazy guys that are ruining that beautiful country). That is a fact, we all know it.
Eritrea also invaded the northern tip of Djibouti, even though Asmara denies it, it is a well known fact too. Djibouti was pushing hard to get these sanctions against Eritrea and Libya was the only country that voted against. The Libyans even sent their foreign minister to give explanations to Djibouti on why it didn't vote because we have good relations with Libya.

Anyway, the point is Issais Afewerki is the crazy dictator running in war with all its neighbors, no one is blaming the Eritrean people (we see them as brothers). But the facts are there, Issaias is isolating his country and that is not in Eritrea's national interest.


Why would Eritrea invade the colony of Djibouti when there are U.S. and French bases there? The sanctions against Eritrea were pre-meditated. Every sane person knows that.

Ethiopia invaded Somalia on the behalf of the U.S. and was not sanctioned. Ethiopia commits genocide in Ogaden and it goes unnoticed. The Djibouti gov't with Ethiopian influence crafts an "Eritrean aggression" on its soil and it return gets 20 hectares of land the next day. Ethiopia and Djibouti are the biggest American slaves in the Horn, they're in no position to talk about "terrorism". Al Shabab got its weapons from Ethiopia. Like I said sensible people and Eritreans already know what the agenda is. The U.S. is planning another invasion of Eritrea by using its slave once again Ethiopia. The U.S. has always had strategic interest in the Red Sea, even begging to the Eritrean president to build a military base in Assab and got turned down quick. This has been the U.S. agenda with Eritrea since the 1950s. Well too bad Eritrea is not for sale like Djibouti and Ethiopia. And if they choose to send their Ethiopian slaves at Eritrea in waves, we will annihilate them in high numbers just like in 1998 where 123,000 Ethiopian soldiers were left dead on Eritrean soil. If this is the policy of the U.S. I can't guarantee that the Eritrean military will stop on its border. We will go all the way to Addis Ababa and meet our brothers ONLF coming from the south and OLF from the west. The Abyssinians are already writing their death certificate. Just give us a time and date.

^^ Well, I'm not going to say one side is bad and the other side is good (all of the powers in the Horn are bad IMO), but I will say that this post is a perfect reason why the Horn of Africa will continue to be the poorest and destitute region in the world for decades to come likely.

24/7 war footing mentality. People use the gun instead of the pen when countries in other regions figured out who stupid this all was.

^^ Well, I'm not going to say one side is bad and the other side is good (all of the powers in the Horn are bad IMO), but I will say that this post is a perfect reason why the Horn of Africa will continue to be the poorest and destitute region in the world for decades to come likely.

24/7 war footing mentality. People use the gun instead of the pen when countries in other regions figured out who stupid this all was.

We will defend our sovereignty, no questions asked. Ethiopians currently occupy sovereign Eritrean land, once the world is done using its Ethiopian slave, they won't be there much longer.

Why would Eritrea invade the colony of Djibouti when there are U.S. and French bases there? The sanctions against Eritrea were pre-meditated. Every sane person knows that.

Ethiopia invaded Somalia on the behalf of the U.S. and was not sanctioned. Ethiopia commits genocide in Ogaden and it goes unnoticed. The Djibouti gov't with Ethiopian influence crafts an "Eritrean aggression" on its soil and it return gets 20 hectares of land the next day. Ethiopia and Djibouti are the biggest American slaves in the Horn, they're in no position to talk about "terrorism". Al Shabab got its weapons from Ethiopia. Like I said sensible people and Eritreans already know what the agenda is. The U.S. is planning another invasion of Eritrea by using its slave once again Ethiopia. The U.S. has always had strategic interest in the Red Sea, even begging to the Eritrean president to build a military base in Assab and got turned down quick. This has been the U.S. agenda with Eritrea since the 1950s. Well too bad Eritrea is not for sale like Djibouti and Ethiopia. And if they choose to send their Ethiopian slaves at Eritrea in waves, we will annihilate them in high numbers just like in 1998 where 123,000 Ethiopian soldiers were left dead on Eritrean soil. If this is the policy of the U.S. I can't guarantee that the Eritrean military will stop on its border. We will go all the way to Addis Ababa and meet our brothers ONLF coming from the south and OLF from the west. The Abyssinians are already writing their death certificate. Just give us a time and date.



Hit the nail on the head

These people don’t realise that Ethiopia is the problem in the Horn Of Africa not Eritrea. Ethiopia has disputed border with Somalia and Eritrea while it has the Ogaden and Badme. Ethiopia is currently committing genocide against people from the Ogaden/Gambella and Oromia region. It oppresses Muslims in their country. Eritrea doesn’t.


Unlike Ethiopia, Eritrea doesn’t want to be known as the AID country. Eritreans are trying to be self reliant not depend on the west.

If anything Eritrea is the only country which can bring peace to East Africa

:hilarious

Ethiopia lost an only sea port, we are not going to war for it, we are talking to get it back in peaceful terms. Eritrea is still crying about a barren rocky place called Badme, a waste of lives if you ask me, not sure why people, including the Ethiopian dimwits called the TPLF went to war for it.

What is at hand right now is that Eritreans are under the yoke of tyranny casted upon them by a pretentious reason that Eritrea is still at war with Ethiopia because of Badme.

I pity those Eritreans who fought for so long for independence and then end up seeing their children grow up under a tyrannical regime called PFDJ, just like we Ethiopians lived under the Derg. I really pity the Eritrean youth because I know how living under tyranny is like. You are robbed of your livelihood, your vibrant youthful nature. You will be subdued, unable to deal with the lack of choices, the lack of opportunities. Robbed of your natural right to think and to act whatever way you like, you become a living dead. Its really is a bad bad existence.

Problem is those Eritreans in the diaspora make excuses to the government wherever they can, and they do so from their comfy vintage points.

Why would Eritrea invade the colony of Djibouti when there are U.S. and French bases there? The sanctions against Eritrea were pre-meditated. Every sane person knows that.

Ethiopia invaded Somalia on the behalf of the U.S. and was not sanctioned. Ethiopia commits genocide in Ogaden and it goes unnoticed. The Djibouti gov't with Ethiopian influence crafts an "Eritrean aggression" on its soil and it return gets 20 hectares of land the next day. Ethiopia and Djibouti are the biggest American slaves in the Horn, they're in no position to talk about "terrorism". Al Shabab got its weapons from Ethiopia. Like I said sensible people and Eritreans already know what the agenda is. The U.S. is planning another invasion of Eritrea by using its slave once again Ethiopia. The U.S. has always had strategic interest in the Red Sea, even begging to the Eritrean president to build a military base in Assab and got turned down quick. This has been the U.S. agenda with Eritrea since the 1950s. Well too bad Eritrea is not for sale like Djibouti and Ethiopia. And if they choose to send their Ethiopian slaves at Eritrea in waves, we will annihilate them in high numbers just like in 1998 where 123,000 Ethiopian soldiers were left dead on Eritrean soil. If this is the policy of the U.S. I can't guarantee that the Eritrean military will stop on its border. We will go all the way to Addis Ababa and meet our brothers ONLF coming from the south and OLF from the west. The Abyssinians are already writing their death certificate. Just give us a time and date.

You may treat my country of being a colony, but I will not disrespect the entire Eritrea to answer to you.

You know what, we can continue like this over and over, just keep believing that we're all "slaves" and that Eritrea is the only virtuous nation in the region, I'm not gonna break these fantasies. But just know that the "colony of Djibouti" doesn't go to war with ALL of its neighbors while its people are starving and fleeing in masse their country. Just know that its not Djibouti who was listed as the North Korea of Africa (lemme guess, another "anti-Eritrea propaganda"!).

Keep being in your fantasy brother, but just do not say that nothing happened at our common border, soldiers I know died (a neighbour who was in the army) because of the Eritrean aggression. Just do not disrespect the memory of those soldiers who were killed in both camps because of the stupidity of your tyrant in Asmara.

Anyway, lets have this discussion in ten years time, and we'll see what will have been achieved and where Eritrea will stand with its current policies. But one advice, for the sake of your people and country, get rid of that psycho.

You may treat my country of being a colony, but I will not disrespect the entire Eritrea to answer to you.

You know what, we can continue like this over and over, just keep believing that we're all "slaves" and that Eritrea is the only virtuous nation in the region, I'm not gonna break these fantasies. But just know that the "colony of Djibouti" doesn't go to war with ALL of its neighbors while its people are starving and fleeing in masse their country. Just know that its not Djibouti who was listed as the North Korea of Africa (lemme guess, another "anti-Eritrea propaganda"!).

Keep being in your fantasy brother, but just do not say that nothing happened at our common border, soldiers I know died (a neighbour who was in the army) because of the Eritrean aggression. Just do not disrespect the memory of those soldiers who were killed in both camps because of the stupidity of your tyrant in Asmara.

Anyway, lets have this discussion in ten years time, and we'll see what will have been achieved and where Eritrea will stand with its current policies. But one advice, for the sake of your people and country, get rid of that psycho.

How about you stay out of our business. That "psycho" is the same man that brought down the horrible governments in Ethiopia and led the way for the independence of Eritrea. We're not concerned with what a slave country like Djibouti run by an Ethiopian born president has to stay. Just hush up, enjoy the land Ethiopia gave you and the military protection you get from France and the United States. You are in no position to talk about such matters, white people control your foreign policy just like they do in Ethiopia.

Ethiopia lost an only sea port, we are not going to war for it, we are talking to get it back in peaceful terms. Eritrea is still crying about a barren rocky place called Badme, a waste of lives if you ask me, not sure why people, including the Ethiopian dimwits called the TPLF went to war for it.

What is at hand right now is that Eritreans are under the yoke of tyranny casted upon them by a pretentious reason that Eritrea is still at war with Ethiopia because of Badme.

I pity those Eritreans who fought for so long for independence and then end up seeing their children grow up under a tyrannical regime called PFDJ, just like we Ethiopians lived under the Derg. I really pity the Eritrean youth because I know how living under tyranny is like. You are robbed of your livelihood, your vibrant youthful nature. You will be subdued, unable to deal with the lack of choices, the lack of opportunities. Robbed of your natural right to think and to act whatever way you like, you become a living dead. Its really is a bad bad existence.

Problem is those Eritreans in the diaspora make excuses to the government wherever they can, and they do so from their comfy vintage points.

We're doing great actually. Eritrea is actually booming and we don't have the same plaguing debt to do so like Ethiopia. You Ethiopians bragged about "11% grow rate" in your economy, well where are the results? You don't have any because any growth Ethiopia has is due to rising intakes of loans and other aid from IMF and World Bank. Now you are selling children for $30,000 a pop out of desperation. It's quite saddening.

We're doing great actually. Eritrea is actually booming and we don't have the same plaguing debt to do so like Ethiopia. You Ethiopians bragged about "11% grow rate" in your economy, well where are the results? You don't have any because any growth Ethiopia has is due to rising intakes of loans and other aid from IMF and World Bank. Now you are selling children for $30,000 a pop out of desperation. It's quite saddening.
:lol:

Normally when some one is doing fine, they tend to talk about the things they have accomplished as opposed to spending all their time talking about how some one else is doing badly.
If Eritrea is doing great, that is good for them. But it has nothing to do with us, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT ERITREANS. so, on the same token you guys should focus less on us and spend more time and yourself.
I just feel so sorry for any eritrean who supports that dictator who is no good for anyone but himself. Eritreans abroad are responsible for the suffering of their people back home. :ohno:

:lol:

Normally when some one is doing fine, they tend to talk about the things they have accomplished as opposed to spending all their time talking about how some one else is doing badly.
If Eritrea is doing great, that is good for them. But it has nothing to do with us, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT ERITREANS. so, on the same token you guys should focus less on us and spend more time and yourself.
I just feel so sorry for any eritrean who supports that dictator who is no good for anyone but himself. Eritreans abroad are responsible for the suffering of their people back home. :ohno:


How about you get off our land then, stay away from our events, our organizations that are only meant for Eritreans, and keep our names out of your daily conversations? How about you stop hanging on our every word and following us everywhere injecting your politics in hopes of Eritrean acceptance. We don't like you. We don't even care for your opinion or your existence, you are just bees buzzing, why the f*ck would we care what an Ethiopian has to say? Think about it. Ethiopia is the most unfortunate country in Africa, and I don't need to list your problems as I'm sure you're well aware of them. The only thing left for us is a wall, God knows illegal immigration from Ethiopia is going to be a problem within the next 5 years.

The only thing left for us is a wall, God knows illegal immigration from Ethiopia is going to be a problem within the next 5 years.

The wall you build will be to keep the Eritrean youth in rather than Ethiopians out. Funny you mentioned illegal immigration, Eritrea has now the largest current out-flux of refugees in the world. They are the largest refugees in Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt and Israel. Eritreans make up the largest single group in Egyptian prisons.

Ethiopia just opened a new and additional refugee camp for Eritreans as stated here http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hOUvWCvc2OAgXMQY-BX0F6uRP7Jg

Here is an older note on the subject http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/SHES-79VPRL?OpenDocument

What did the despot in Eritrea said, he has not heard any news when almost an entire National futbol team applied for Asylum in Kenya last year. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/17/AR2009121704259.html

This is the problem, those Eritreans who are in the west living comfortably make excuses to that tyrannical regime that runs the youth out of their country.

I think we are veering off the subject and so I will stop, or else this spiral of meaningless discussion will go out of hand.

As for Ethiopia, yes we dislike what the Meles, face changing, chameleon government is doing, specially their barefaced dealing against the Ethiopian people when they gave up an only sea port. We don't like their grip to power using shady tactics but at least they are not tyrannical, they don't dictate your life, they leave you be. They don't close Universities and move an entire population of the youth in war academies, they did not kill the private sector, although they did nothing to promote it either.

Hit the nail on the head

These people don’t realise that Ethiopia is the problem in the Horn Of Africa not Eritrea. Ethiopia has disputed border with Somalia and Eritrea while it has the Ogaden and Badme. Ethiopia is currently committing genocide against people from the Ogaden/Gambella and Oromia region. It oppresses Muslims in their country. Eritrea doesn’t. ...
There is no genocide in Ethiopia, PERIOD.

Learn the meaning of the word.

If anything Eritrea is the only country which can bring peace to East AfricaThe totalitarian state that has hostile relations with all its neighbors?? :lol:

Ethiopia lost an only sea port, we are not going to war for it, we are talking to get it back in peaceful terms. Eritrea is still crying about a barren rocky place called Badme, a waste of lives if you ask me, not sure why people, including the Ethiopian dimwits called the TPLF went to war for it.
Because the country, Ethiopia, was attacked.

When you are attacked you defend yourself. No government worth the name government lets others kill its people and take its land. You go in and you kill the bad guys.

Eritrea is supporting the Al Shabab (these crazy guys that are ruining that beautiful country). That is a fact, we all know it.
Eritrea also invaded the northern tip of Djibouti, even though Asmara denies it, it is a well known fact too. Djibouti was pushing hard to get these sanctions against Eritrea and Libya was the only country that voted against. The Libyans even sent their foreign minister to give explanations to Djibouti on why it didn't vote because we have good relations with Libya.

Anyway, the point is Issais Afewerki is the crazy dictator running in war with all its neighbors, no one is blaming the Eritrean people (we see them as brothers). But the facts are there, Issaias is isolating his country and that is not in Eritrea's national interest.

Meles is worst then Afewerki.

Meles is worst then Afewerki.

Ethiopia is in much better shape than Eritrea.

How about you get off our land then, stay away from our events, our organizations that are only meant for Eritreans, and keep our names out of your daily conversations? How about you stop hanging on our every word and following us everywhere injecting your politics in hopes of Eritrean acceptance. We don't like you. We don't even care for your opinion or your existence, you are just bees buzzing, why the f*ck would we care what an Ethiopian has to say? Think about it. Ethiopia is the most unfortunate country in Africa, and I don't need to list your problems as I'm sure you're well aware of them. The only thing left for us is a wall, God knows illegal immigration from Ethiopia is going to be a problem within the next 5 years.

I think we can both agree on a wall, even though our differences might be different.:lol:

How about you get off our land then, stay away from our events, our organizations that are only meant for Eritreans, and keep our names out of your daily conversations? How about you stop hanging on our every word and following us everywhere injecting your politics in hopes of Eritrean acceptance. We don't like you. We don't even care for your opinion or your existence, you are just bees buzzing, why the f*ck would we care what an Ethiopian has to say? Think about it. Ethiopia is the most unfortunate country in Africa, and I don't need to list your problems as I'm sure you're well aware of them. The only thing left for us is a wall, God knows illegal immigration from Ethiopia is going to be a problem within the next 5 years.

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Ethiopia is the most unfortunate country in Africa, and I don't need to list your problems as I'm sure you're well aware of them. The only thing left for us is a wall, God knows illegal immigration from Ethiopia is going to be a problem within the next 5 years.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The average Eritrean lives on less then a dollar a day, am sure there are far more pressing needs then a wall:lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The average Eritrean lives on less then a dollar a day, am sure there are far more pressing needs then a wall:lol:

For a supposed "sudanese" person you sure do suck a lot of Ethiopian cock, god damn. you must be one of the fruity types i saw on the streets of Khartoum on my last visit.

Of all people a Sudanese telling me that Eritreans live on less than a dollar. hahahahahaha, how about trying not kill your own citizens through genocide and other inhumane practices?

You like your Ethiopian counterparts could learn a lot from Eritrea; the only country in Africa with law and order and the only to make positive changes in the health sector.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a1/World_mort_rate_2007.png/800px-World_mort_rate_2007.png

For a supposed "sudanese" person you sure do suck a lot of Ethiopian cock, god damn. you must be one of the fruity types i saw on the streets of Khartoum on my last visit.


every body thinks I'm biased against them simply because I tell it how I see it. I simply don't think that either Eritrea or Ethiopia need to worry about illegal immigration. The average Eritrean lives on $364 and the average Ethiopian lives on $390 year. Lets get real:bash:

every body thinks I'm biased against them simply because I tell it how I see it. I simply don't think that either Eritrea or Ethiopia need to worry about illegal immigration. The average Eritrean lives on $364 and the average Ethiopian lives on $390 year. Lets get real:bash:

The average income for an Eritrean could be $20, it doesn't matter when you're comparing one African country to another. The fact of the matter is Ethiopia has an ever growing population at 82 million, the top 1% of the people control 99% of the wealth, HIV is at 3% (average), genocides in the southern regions, separatists groups, modern day slavery in the Oromo coffee fields. And this is all under the work of the tribal minority clique. The only thing keeping Ethiopia afloat is American dollars. So don't waste your breath, I could care less if your preferance is for Ethiopia (obviously it is), maybe you have an Ethiopian fetish I don't give a flying f*ck, I just find it hilarious that a person coming from a country wit the worst human rights record in the world has the audacity to talk about poverty and the living standards of other countries particularly African. Just stick to what you know, fuhl, being an Ethiopian cock sucker, and a fruit cup who no idea of the world.

^^Another reason why we need an Ethiopian Moderator.

The average income for an Eritrean could be $20, it doesn't matter when you're comparing one African country to another. The fact of the matter is Ethiopia has an ever growing population at 82 million, the top 1% of the people control 99% of the wealth, HIV is at 3% (average), genocides in the southern regions, separatists groups, modern day slavery in the Oromo coffee fields. And this is all under the work of the tribal minority clique. The only thing keeping Ethiopia afloat is American dollars. So don't waste your breath, I could care less if your preferance is for Ethiopia (obviously it is), maybe you have an Ethiopian fetish I don't give a flying f*ck, I just find it hilarious that a person coming from a country wit the worst human rights record in the world has the audacity to talk about poverty and the living standards of other countries particularly African. Just stick to what you know,

There is some truth to this statement. However I sifted out the name calling garbage from that post.

The wall you build will be to keep the Eritrean youth in rather than Ethiopians out. Funny you mentioned illegal immigration, Eritrea has now the largest current out-flux of refugees in the world. They are the largest refugees in Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt and Israel. Eritreans make up the largest single group in Egyptian prisons.

Ethiopia just opened a new and additional refugee camp for Eritreans as stated here http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hOUvWCvc2OAgXMQY-BX0F6uRP7Jg

Here is an older note on the subject http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/SHES-79VPRL?OpenDocument

What did the despot in Eritrea said, he has not heard any news when almost an entire National futbol team applied for Asylum in Kenya last year. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/17/AR2009121704259.html

This is the problem, those Eritreans who are in the west living comfortably make excuses to that tyrannical regime that runs the youth out of their country.

I think we are veering off the subject and so I will stop, or else this spiral of meaningless discussion will go out of hand.

As for Ethiopia, yes we dislike what the Meles, face changing, chameleon government is doing, specially their barefaced dealing against the Ethiopian people when they gave up an only sea port. We don't like their grip to power using shady tactics but at least they are not tyrannical, they don't dictate your life, they leave you be. They don't close Universities and move an entire population of the youth in war academies, they did not kill the private sector, although they did nothing to promote it either.

Funny EriFreedomfighter did not respond to this post. Truth hurts but the more you face it the more positive contribution you make rather than living in a bubble of fantasy.

Funny EriFreedomfighter did not respond to this post. Truth hurts but the more you face it the more positive contribution you make rather than living in a bubble of fantasy.

I don't waste my time with petty things and hallucinations. Fact is Assab was never yours and it will never be yours. This whole "Meles giving things up" is a complete joke and not worth a response considering it was Eritreans who controlled Ethiopia from the period of 1991-1995. We installed a puppet government in Ethiopia, then the puppet grew up balls in 1998 and wanted to fight a war to prove they weren't a puppet anymore. The only thing is the puppet was always and still be a puppet as it is under the employment of the United States. Puppets will always be puppets, and Ethiopians are suffering the consequences of puppet like actions. You can spew all your anti-Eritrean hate all you want, facts are the ground are Ethiopia is crumbling and why shouldn't it when a country is built on slavery and imperialism. Enjoy your Woyane Ethiopia, or what's little left of it and your "free market" practices which are practically starving your country to death. The only beneficiaries of Ethiopian wealth is the tribal clique aka the puppets.

Enjoy the show, it will be over soon.

it was Eritreans who controlled Ethiopia from the period of 1991-1995.
:lol:
So, why you left Ethiopia early?
This guy is an appallingly miserable shifta!. I am so thankful for EPRDF kicking out these gluttonous parasites called Eritreans from the land of Ethiopia!

We installed a puppet government in Ethiopia, then the puppet grew up balls in 1998 and wanted to fight a war to prove they weren't a puppet anymore. The only thing is the puppet was always and still be a puppet as it is under the employment of the United States..
:lol:
OMG
Call 911, we have a sick guy here - mentally sick! What exactly he is blabbering about? Does anyone know?

Puppets will always be puppets, and Ethiopians are suffering the consequences of puppet like actions. You can spew all your anti-Eritrean hate all you want, facts are the ground are Ethiopia is crumbling and why shouldn't it when a country is built on slavery and imperialism.
:lol::lol:
Seriously this dude is a psycho. "Puppets vs Puppets"...."puppet like actions ":lol:
What the hell you are talking about?:nuts:


Enjoy your Woyane Ethiopia, or what's little left of it and your "free market" practices which are practically starving your country to death. The only beneficiaries of Ethiopian wealth is the tribal clique aka the puppets. Enjoy the show, it will be over soon.

Please let's help this shifta.

Here is the result of a Free Market......No time for the new generation of EPRDF to think about your lost shifta land.....You've been ignored!!

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/302/56443299.jpg

http://www.addisfortune.com/addisfortunenews.htm

I don't waste my time with petty things and hallucinations. Fact is Assab was never yours and it will never be yours. This whole "Meles giving things up" is a complete joke and not worth a response considering it was Eritreans who controlled Ethiopia from the period of 1991-1995. We installed a puppet government in Ethiopia, then the puppet grew up balls in 1998 and wanted to fight a war to prove they weren't a puppet anymore. The only thing is the puppet was always and still be a puppet as it is under the employment of the United States. Puppets will always be puppets, and Ethiopians are suffering the consequences of puppet like actions. You can spew all your anti-Eritrean hate all you want, facts are the ground are Ethiopia is crumbling and why shouldn't it when a country is built on slavery and imperialism. Enjoy your Woyane Ethiopia, or what's little left of it and your "free market" practices which are practically starving your country to death. The only beneficiaries of Ethiopian wealth is the tribal clique aka the puppets.

Enjoy the show, it will be over soon.

I see, I got your point, You have now turned from facts to farts. Whatever floats your boat Eritrean.

Ethiopia is landlocked today because of the humiliating and crushing defeat they suffered at the hands of gallant Eritrean freedom fighters.

Every Ethiopian ethnic group hates being part of impoverished Ethiopia. Ethiopia commits genocide against Muslims, particularly nomadic muslims such as Afars, Ogadeni and Oromos. Everyone knows a looming genocide will happen on agames/Tigrayans. Ethiopia is hell on Earth, that's addicted to aid, beggary, and regularly invades nations as a form of birth control on their exploding population.

Ethiopia is landlocked today because of the humiliating and crushing defeat they suffered at the hands of gallant Eritrean freedom fighters.

Every Ethiopian ethnic group hates being part of impoverished Ethiopia. Ethiopia commits genocide against Muslims, particularly nomadic muslims such as Afars, Ogadeni and Oromos. Everyone knows a looming genocide will happen on agames/Tigrayans. Ethiopia is hell on Earth, that's addicted to aid, beggary, and regularly invades nations as a form of birth control on their exploding population.

We love you too :)

Ethiopia is landlocked today because of the humiliating and crushing defeat they suffered at the hands of gallant Eritrean freedom fighters.

Every Ethiopian ethnic group hates being part of impoverished Ethiopia. Ethiopia commits genocide against Muslims, particularly nomadic muslims such as Afars, Ogadeni and Oromos. Everyone knows a looming genocide will happen on agames/Tigrayans. Ethiopia is hell on Earth, that's addicted to aid, beggary, and regularly invades nations as a form of birth control on their exploding population.

:lol: Some of you guys are funny as hell.

Ethiopia is landlocked today because of the humiliating and crushing defeat they suffered at the hands of gallant Eritrean freedom fighters.

Every Ethiopian ethnic group hates being part of impoverished Ethiopia. Ethiopia commits genocide against Muslims, particularly nomadic muslims such as Afars, Ogadeni and Oromos. Everyone knows a looming genocide will happen on agames/Tigrayans. Ethiopia is hell on Earth, that's addicted to aid, beggary, and regularly invades nations as a form of birth control on their exploding population.
:lol::lol::lol::

Is that what the local prison news channel is telling you? :)

Ethiopia is landlocked today because of the humiliating and crushing defeat they suffered at the hands of gallant Eritrean freedom fighters.

Every Ethiopian ethnic group hates being part of impoverished Ethiopia. Ethiopia commits genocide against Muslims, particularly nomadic muslims such as Afars, Ogadeni and Oromos. Everyone knows a looming genocide will happen on agames/Tigrayans. Ethiopia is hell on Earth, that's addicted to aid, beggary, and regularly invades nations as a form of birth control on their exploding population.

Ethiopia is a landlocked country because the meaningless, self hating Woyane fighters, who thought they knew what is best for their people in Tigrai. They fought to rid Ethiopia from its natural right to have a sea outlet. I don't know if such a story is available in the modern history of mankind, engaged in nation building, who insisted and signed a deal to rid its country from a sea outlet, and still calls it a smart move. Woyanes committed a political sin against their own people that will be remembered for ever. What is mind boggling at the moment is that these people are still in power.

We still work with them though, we need to pull the country out of poverty.

The average income for an Eritrean could be $20, it doesn't matter when you're comparing one African country to another.
But it does matter. Eritrea is poor, so is Ethiopia, but it ddoes matter

The fact of the matter is Ethiopia has an ever growing population at 82 million, the top 1% of the people control 99% of the wealth.

Simply untrue. Ethiopia places 112th out of 134 for income equality- the lower you place, the more equal your income. The 134th place is held by Sweden.


, HIV is at 3% (average).
No, it's a mere 1.4%, according to the CSA (Central Statistical Agency). For comparison, Eritrea's rate according to the WHO is 2.7%.

genocides in the southern regions, separatists groups, modern day slavery in the Oromo coffee fields. And this is all under the work of the tribal minority clique.
Evidence?

The only thing keeping Ethiopia afloat is American dollars.
I'd say more Chinese remninbi nowadays.

So don't waste your breath, I could care less if your preferance is for Ethiopia (obviously it is), maybe you have an Ethiopian fetish I don't give a flying f*ck,I just find it hilarious that a person coming from a country wit the worst human rights record in the world
But Ethiopia didn't have the lowest level of press freedom in the world, now did it?

has the audacity to talk about poverty and the living standards of other countries particularly African. Just stick to what you know, fuhl, being an Ethiopian cock sucker, and a fruit cup who no idea of the world.
And you're a completely disrespectful, impolite hypocrite. Why do I call you a hypocrite? You're not in your Eritrean paradise right now are you? Probably in the West somewhere.
So please, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Please.
Now, let's please go back to talking about Dijbouti port, I have taken the liberty of informing the moderators about certain troublemakers.

Ahadu, I won't bother with you, you obviously have no intelligence just blabbering at the mouth. You are proficient in emoticons to your credit.

@ Simfan, haha lol at evidence of genocide. How about you stop living in a dream world and visit Oromia and Ogaden for yourself. As for Ethiopia having one of the most equal societies in the world, I'll pretend I didn't hear that. You are obviously not knowledgeable of the TPLF clique, its principles and their practices. You are beyond delusional. But since you like stats so much, lets post what's on the site of the CIA, shall we?

Death rate

Eritrea: 8.43 deaths/1,000 population
Sudan: 12.94 deaths/1,000 population
Ethiopia: 11.55 deaths/1,000 population

Infant Mortality Rate

Eritrea: 43.33 deaths/1,000 live births
Sudan: 82.43 deaths/1,000 live births
Ethiopia: 80.8 deaths/1,000 live births

Life expectancy at birth

Eritrea: total population: 61.78 years
Sudan: total population: 51.42 years
Ethiopia: total population: 55.41 years

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate

Eritrea: 1.3% (38,000)
Sudan: 1.4% (320,000)
Ethiopia: 2.1% (980,000)

Literacy

Eritrea: total population: 58.6%
Sudan: total population: 61.1%
Ethiopia: total population: 42.7%

Debt-External

Eritrea: $311 million
Sudan: $36.27 billion
Ethiopia: $4.229 billion


Do yourself a favor next time Simfan, don't waste your time making up stats. There is such thing called google.

Never have I seen a collection of Ethiopians who are smart, articulate and positive as I see in this forum. You don't go down in the gutters of petty name calling but you all make your points vigorously and succinctly.

I am proud of you all.

Ahadu, I won't bother with you, you obviously have no intelligence just blabbering at the mouth. You are proficient in emoticons to your credit.

@ Simfan, haha lol at evidence of genocide. How about you stop living in a dream world and visit Oromia and Ogaden for yourself. As for Ethiopia having one of the most equal societies in the world, I'll pretend I didn't hear that. You are obviously not knowledgeable of the TPLF clique, its principles and their practices. You are beyond delusional. But since you like stats so much, lets post what's on the site of the CIA, shall we?

Death rate

Eritrea: 8.43 deaths/1,000 population
Sudan: 12.94 deaths/1,000 population
Ethiopia: 11.55 deaths/1,000 population

Infant Mortality Rate

Eritrea: 43.33 deaths/1,000 live births
Sudan: 82.43 deaths/1,000 live births
Ethiopia: 80.8 deaths/1,000 live births

Life expectancy at birth

Eritrea: total population: 61.78 years
Sudan: total population: 51.42 years
Ethiopia: total population: 55.41 years

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate

Eritrea: 1.3% (38,000)
Sudan: 1.4% (320,000)
Ethiopia: 2.1% (980,000)

Literacy

Eritrea: total population: 58.6%
Sudan: total population: 61.1%
Ethiopia: total population: 42.7%

Debt-External

Eritrea: $311 million
Sudan: $36.27 billion
Ethiopia: $4.229 billion


Do yourself a favor next time Simfan, don't waste your time making up stats. There is such thing called google.

Whether you like it or not, the future is about unity, be it in a format of Federation or Confederation, we have no choice but unite. Its not long before being small is a risk.

I see an East African Union that includes Ethiopia, Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somali land, Punt land, Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania and other countries. I see a possible name "Kush" as the old testament in Hebrew called the area.

The culture of petty squabble will get get old, will die and will be buried, together with you and I. We will pass but the next generation will materialize that unity, till then let's all take a chill pill.

Sorry Ethiopia, you're on your own. Take care of yourself.

Sorry Ethiopia, you're on your own. Take care of yourself.

The thread on this portion of the forum is "ETHIOPIA". Why don't you start your own Eritrean thread and discuss whatever you want with your countrymen. Leave this thread to Ethiopians. If you feel we Ethiopians are oppressed , poor, landlocked, uncivilised....so be it.... It is our problem and not yours. We hope we don't hear from you again. Goodbye!!!

Whether you like it or not, the future is about unity, be it in a format of Federation or Confederation, we have no choice but unite. Its not long before being small is a risk.

I see an East African Union that includes Ethiopia, Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somali land, Punt land, Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania and other countries. I see a possible name "Kush" as the old testament in Hebrew called the area.

The culture of petty squabble will get get old, will die and will be buried, together with you and I. We will pass but the next generation will materialize that unity, till then let's all take a chill pill.

This is crazy talk, this will never happen.
Armed resistance forces in Ethiopia are at an all time high.

The Ogaden have ONLF
Oromia have OLF
Tirgay have TPDM
Sidama have SLD
Amhara have Agazi army and the EPPF
Gambella and Beni Shangul rebels allied to the Amhara

Ethiopians are not even united and nor don’t want to be united. Yet you speak about a UNITED EAST AFRICA UNION

I am amazed at how you disregard culture and religion. No one wants to unite with another, because we are not the same people. Segregation is better than integration for East Africans

If you have no seen, the new generation are even more conservative and more loyal to their people, this thinking that people will just wash away the past is stupid.

I am amazed at how you disregard culture and religion. No one wants to unite with another, because we are not the same people. Segregation is better than integration for East Africans
You sound like those people Nelson Mandela fought against. Just paus for a second and think about what you're saying here. Hopefully you will understand how stupid it is.

There are few people in the world that are SO MIXED like Ethiopians. There are basicly no "pure" (only one tribe) Ethiopians, SPECIALLY not from the biggest "tribes", Amhara and Oromo. So this ethnical segregation bullshit is nonsens, backwards and retarded.

Those rebel groups you mentioned are against the governmant, so is 95% of the population. The people are not fighting each other. Ethiopia would had been Iraq by now, if that was the case, instead you have one of the safest countries in Africa.

Everything you mention is rather wishful thinking from your side, than reality. Sure, those rebel groups do exist, but what have they accomplished? Worst is ONLF. What has the rest done? Look at OLF - 30 year (or something like that) "struggle", for what? Their leaders surrendered this year. If OLF had any support by Oromos, there would had been CHAOS in Ethiopia long time ago, since the Oromos are majority. Fact is, most Oromos hate the OLF and the idea of seperatism. Like I said before, Amharas and Oromos are so mixed, that everyone has a little of everything in their family tree.

The humiliating and crushing defeat of Ethiopia at the hands of Eritrean soldiers is the only reason why famine prone and impoverished Ethiopia is landlocked. No way to sugar coating this crushing defeat. Ethiopia was routed and obliterated, and forced at the barrel of an Eritrean gun to pee sitting down.

The viral hatred of Eritreans towards us is quite amazing really. The only people who are hurting as a result are Eritreans, not Ethiopians. We are moving forward and rebuilding our country. Your people are flooding Ethiopia, Djibouti, Sudan, Egypt, Israel, etc and the rest of them are cowering in their own country.

When you'll eventually wake up from your rage, you'll be pissed off at yourselves for how much time, energy and money you spent hating people who don't care what you think of them. Your efforts would be better spent ousting Issayas because he's your problem, not us.

Peace.

The viral hatred of Eritreans towards us is quite amazing really. The only people who are hurting as a result are Eritreans, not Ethiopians. We are moving forward and rebuilding our country. Your people are flooding Ethiopia, Djibouti, Sudan, Egypt, Israel, etc and the rest of them are cowering in their own country.

Typical famine Ethiopian talk. Ethiopia is impoverished, even if you build from western hand outs for the next century, you'd still wouldn't reach the year 1950s by even African standards. The audacity of you people to speak of hating you, even though this whole thread is dedicated to hating on Eritrea's territorial integrity and waging a war to change it. But when you're from famine prone Ethiopia, memory loss is a typical system you people suffer.

Btw: Ethiopian refugees are flooding into Yemen, Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan and the Arab world. When these horny white tourist go to Ethiopia, they're not there going to look at your primitive 1812 construction of huts made of elephant dung and ostrich lice, they're there to have unprotected sex with your cheap women and go home to brag to their pale Norwegian friends about their sexual charm.



When you'll eventually wake up from your rage, you'll be pissed off at yourselves for how much time, energy and money you spent hating people who don't care what you think of them. Your efforts would be better spent ousting Issayas because he's your problem, not us.

Peace.

Isaias is the man that sodomized Ethiopian Amhara and Agames into unconditional defeat. Your rage for this tall man is typical Ethiopian famine noise on your part.

If the Chinese even build one building in your god for saken nation, you freaks would be all over it. You would post dozens of youtube videos and flood this forum with your sloppy architecture. Ethiopia is 300 years behind to most African nations. Outside of making up fictional historical claims to attract ignorant European tourist, you have nothing to offer them except lent, cheap women, and a face full of Ethiopian flies.

My question is if Eritreans are doing great, why not show those positive things on either your own forum or go to other countries for a change, like Sudan or Kenya's thread and pollute theirs for a day or two. What you guys don't realize is we formed an Ethiopian forum to discuss issues pertaining to Ethiopia, not Eritrea.

WE DON'T GIVE A S*** about Eritrea:lol:

I could care less whether Isayas is having a fist fight at a local bar ( as he did recently and killed some one close to him), or whether he and his people are living the dream life.
BTW, this is precisely why I have a problem with the viral Eritreans, they just go around and piss everywhere there is something related to Ethiopia.
Why do you care whether or not there are resistance groups in the country? Why not work hard and build your country? Go back to your country for a change and bring some change to that desperate country. It is no use to tell us how good you are doing, when everyone knows the truth on the ground.
What a bunch of losers! If Eritreans continue to support this mad man, I for one am very happy, 'cause its a good example to show other wanna be freedom fighters. Keep on fighting the fight Isayas, we love you:lol:
Eritrea is the best example for a failed state!

This is crazy talk, this will never happen.
Armed resistance forces in Ethiopia are at an all time high.

The Ogaden have ONLF
Oromia have OLF
Tirgay have TPDM
Sidama have SLD
Amhara have Agazi army and the EPPF
Gambella and Beni Shangul rebels allied to the Amhara

Ethiopians are not even united and nor don’t want to be united. Yet you speak about a UNITED EAST AFRICA UNION

I am amazed at how you disregard culture and religion. No one wants to unite with another, because we are not the same people. Segregation is better than integration for East Africans

If you have no seen, the new generation are even more conservative and more loyal to their people, this thinking that people will just wash away the past is stupid.

You look at the world through the vail European albinos drawn over your eyes. Except Abyssinia, there has never been other nations. What is Kenya? What is Tanzania? What is Eritrea? What is Somalia? These are countries European masters mapped out; in a meeting, making sure the venom seed of control is also planted. They did that everywhere they've been to. In the other hand, they unite, forming this powerful unions.

The fact is Africans are still loyal to the tribal order rather than a nation. My question is, if you accepted these national identities that never existed before, why is it hard for you to accept a wider unity that can possibly bring improvements and less susceptibility to outside meddling.

Currently we are treated as a curiosity, a by product, a dark continent producing slaves. A divided, unorganized subhumans who can never be taken seriously in the world affairs.

whether Muslim, christian or other, we are black people, we also own this world. We have a say in it. Our tenacious nature and possibly physical superiority helped us avoid eradication as seen in the Americas, Australia and elsewhere. God know they tried to wipe us all out from the face of the earth.

You can't stop me from dreaming a future where united Africans carving the world politics and leading it, as they see fit according to the needs of their people.

The viral hatred of Eritreans towards us is quite amazing really. The only people who are hurting as a result are Eritreans, not Ethiopians. We are moving forward and rebuilding our country. Your people are flooding Ethiopia, Djibouti, Sudan, Egypt, Israel, etc and the rest of them are cowering in their own country.

When you'll eventually wake up from your rage, you'll be pissed off at yourselves for how much time, energy and money you spent hating people who don't care what you think of them. Your efforts would be better spent ousting Issayas because he's your problem, not us.

Peace.

ከኤሪዎች ጋር ፈር ያለው ነገር ይዞ መነጋገር አይቻልም። ሁልግዜ በግብታዊ ስሜት ፈረስ ላይ እየጋለቡ፣ ትርጉም የለሽ የህጻናት እሪታን ነው የሚሰጡት። ከነሱ ጋር ሲወራ ከህጻናት ጋር እንደሚወራ መቆጠር አለበት። ለሃጫቸውን እየጠረግን ማጫወት አለብን።

የአገራቸው ወጣት በጭቆና ማጥ እየተጨማለቀ፣ ባገኘው በር እግሬ አውጪኝ እያለ ፈትለክ ሲል፣ በየምእራቡ አገር ተሰደው የሀምበርገርና፣ የድንች ጥብስ ቅባት ልባቸውን ያሳበጠው፣ ኤርትራውያን፣ ሁሉን ክደው፣ አይናቸውን በጨው ታጥበው፣ የኛ ህዝብ አይሰደድም ሲሉ ይገርመኛል።

ጓደኛዬ ኤርትራዊ ነው። አስመራ ደርሶ ሲመለስ፣ ከተማዋ ነጹህ ነች ግን የውሻና የድመት መፈንጫ ሆናለች ያለኝ በጣም ነው ያሳቀኝ። ምንም እንቅስቃሴ ካለመኖሩ የተነሳ ሲሮጡ የምታያቸው ውሻና ድመት ናቸው። የቀረው ህዝብ በየካፌው፣ የክት ልብሱን ለብሶ ሻይ ሲጠጣ ነው የሚውለው።

ታድያ እነዚህ በየ ድረ-ገጹ ሙያ እንደሰሩ፣ ማንንም የማይጠቅም ስድብ፣ ባፋቸው ሲቀዝኑ፣ ከነሱ ጋር ማውራቱ ትርጉሙ አይገባኝም።

You look at the world through the vail European albinos drawn over your eyes. Except Abyssinia, there has never been other nations. What is Kenya? What is Tanzania? What is Eritrea? What is Somalia? These are countries European masters mapped out; in a meeting, making sure the venom seed of control is also planted. They did that everywhere they've been to. In the other hand, they unite, forming this powerful unions.

The fact is Africans are still loyal to the tribal order rather than a nation. My question is, if you accepted these national identities that never existed before, why is it hard for you to accept a wider unity that can possibly bring improvements and less susceptibility to outside meddling.

Currently we are treated as a curiosity, a by product, a dark continent producing slaves. A divided, unorganized subhumans who can never be taken seriously in the world affairs.

whether Muslim, christian or other, we are black people, we also own this world. We have a say in it. Our tenacious nature and possibly physical superiority helped us avoid eradication as seen in the Americas, Australia and elsewhere. God know they tried to wipe us all out from the face of the earth.

You can't stop me from dreaming a future where united Africans carving the world politics and leading it, as they see fit according to the needs of their people.



Hahahahaha you are a complete joke. And what is Abyssinia? What are the current borders of Ethiopia, they've been like that for 3000 years right, all the Oromos, Somalis and other groups lived peacefully with their Abyssinian neighbors for thousands of years right? hahahahhahahah

Abbysinia= small plots of Tigray and Amhara land which had no concrete borders or a central government.


Names change, but the people and their civilizations/empires do not before them do not. Ethiopia's pride and integrity is tied to fantasy and folklore. The reality is, you are home to no ancient kingdoms. Your so called kings were tribal and powers did not exceed their village they roamed until the arrival of Europeans which you greeted with open arms in the 1850s. Lets not talk about the illegitiamcy of the current Ethiopian state as it too is a product carved by colonial powers and side deals. Oromia came though Amhara imperialism and became a part of the modern Ethiopian state, Ogadenia was given to Ethiopia as a gift by the British foolishly, Sidama was conquered by the primitive Shoans, Harari was next, then Afars, and so son. Your whole country is a prison of nationalities staying afloat by western dollars. Don't be surprised if Armageddon comes sooner than later for Ethiopia.

Hahahahaha you are a complete joke. And what is Abyssinia? What are the current borders of Ethiopia, they've been like that for 3000 years right, all the Oromos, Somalis and other groups lived peacefully with their Abyssinian neighbors for thousands of years right? hahahahhahahah

Abbysinia= small plots of Tigray and Amhara land which had no concrete borders or a central government.


Names change, but the people and their civilizations/empires do not before them do not. Ethiopia's pride and integrity is tied to fantasy and folklore. The reality is, you are home to no ancient kingdoms. Your so called kings were tribal and powers did not exceed their village they roamed until the arrival of Europeans which you greeted with open arms in the 1850s. Lets not talk about the illegitiamcy of the current Ethiopian state as it too is a product carved by colonial powers and side deals. Oromia came though Amhara imperialism and became a part of the modern Ethiopian state, Ogadenia was given to Ethiopia as a gift by the British foolishly, Sidama was conquered by the primitive Shoans, Harari was next, then Afars, and so son. Your whole country is a prison of nationalities staying afloat by western dollars. Don't be surprised if Armageddon comes sooner than later for Ethiopia.

Yours is a typical Eri "young brother syndrome." Always defensive, always bitter, always inferior, always destructive, always hopeless.
I pity your existence, what a miserable life you must be leading.

It burns you history rich Ethiopia is right next door,

It burns you resource rich Ethiopia is, as big as it is, growing its influence everywhere.

It burns you Ethiopia is pulling itself out of poverty by its boot straps.

It scares the shit out of you Ethiopia's military is chaining to be a professional and formidable fighting force.

It burns you, your tiny, insignificant country is getting smaller, certainly population wise, due to the immense out-flux of refugees.

As I said, I see beyond the horizon of hatred, because I know hope is just beyond that curve, right after the death of sentiment that created outlooks such as yours.

Yours is a typical Eri "young brother syndrome." Always defensive, always bitter, always inferior, always destructive, always hopeless.
I pity your existence, what a miserable life you must be leading.

It burns you history rich Ethiopia is right next door,

It burns you resource rich Ethiopia is, as big as it is, growing its influence everywhere.

It burns you Ethiopia is pulling itself out of poverty by its boot straps.

It scares the shit out of you Ethiopia's military is chaining to be a professional and formidable fighting force.

It burns you, your tiny, insignificant country is getting smaller, certainly population wise, due to the immense out-flux of refugees.

As I said, I see beyond the horizon of hatred, because I know hope is just beyond that curve, right after the death of sentiment that created outlooks such as yours.

"young brother syndrome", I guess that has to do with Eritrea's size rather than our psyche. In actuality Ethiopians suffer from an inferiority complex especially Ethiopians from the Tigray region who constantly obsess over Eritreans. Eritreans are beyond you, heck if you were not occupying Eritrean land today, Eritreans would have no reason to even discuss you people. But Ethiopians of course want to stay relevant in Eritrean daily conversation, how about you guys take care of yourselves for once? You country is crumbling faster than the tekeze dam.

As for superior military strength, is this the same military that sacrificed 123,000 soldiers in the border war for nothing? Wow you must be proud of yourselves to kill that many people over a small plot of territory that doesn't even belong to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF8CLnbDndw

When will you Ethiopians learn that the death of each of your previous governments were the result of its imperialist agendas? The only thing you know is war, you'd rather spend billions of dollars pursuing a pipe dream filled with war and carnage instead of promote peace, stability, and development within your own country.

"young brother syndrome", I guess that has to do with Eritrea's size rather than our psyche. In actuality Ethiopians suffer from an inferiority complex especially Ethiopians from the Tigray region who constantly obsess over Eritreans. Eritreans are beyond you, heck if you were not occupying Eritrean land today, Eritreans would have no reason to even discuss you people. But Ethiopians of course want to stay relevant in Eritrean daily conversation, how about you guys take care of yourselves for once? You country is crumbling faster than the tekeze dam.

As for superior military strength, is this the same military that sacrificed 123,000 soldiers in the border war for nothing? Wow you must be proud of yourselves to kill that many people over a small plot of territory that doesn't even belong to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF8CLnbDndw

When will you Ethiopians learn that the death of each of your previous governments were the result of its imperialist agendas? The only thing you know is war, you'd rather spend billions of dollars pursuing a pipe dream filled with war and carnage instead of promote peace, stability, and development within your own country.

Really? Are we the ones who are training and equiping terrorists to destabilize the region? :lol:
Why is it so hard for you to not come off as someone who wants to antagonize Ethiopians on this website than discuss on positive events on either side of the border? Are you incapable of seeing good things anymore? Its okay to make some negative comments in response to a statement may be once or twice. But you have been consistently putting out HATE, and yet we have not reported you, unlike the other person.
Here is something positive you would not like but it is happening on the ground, I am sorry for you to have seen this.

http://somalilandpress.com/somaliland-17-students-graduate-from-ethiopian-defense-college-15410
FYI: graduates came from Ethiopia, Somaliland, Rwanda and Djibouti. So much for destabilizing the region. [ this is today's news BTW]

ERIFreedomFighter

They way you behave right now will probably lead to a ban just like Habab.

Why don't you show us some Eritrean development. You can create your own thread in the African general forum as every other african country has.
:)