View Full Version : Townsville - Australia
Blend June 16th, 2004, 05:53 AM Situated in North Queensland (The Unnocifial Capital of NQ)
Population of 90,168
http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/ece/ieee/Townsville.jpg
http://www.townsvillepresents.com.au/images/common/night.jpg
http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/2003/0103/Jan31/townsville.jpg
http://www.townsville.holiday-inn.com/tsvfm/picsbig/towtow01p001.jpg
http://www.immigrationvisa.org/Townsville%2002.jpg
http://www.nqfielddays.com.au/Townsville/tvl.JPG
http://www.jcu.edu.au/soc/goldenkey/images/TvlByNight.gif
kota16 June 16th, 2004, 06:00 AM Beautiful City.The latest population figures give Townsville as 140,000.
Blend June 16th, 2004, 06:13 AM i took mine of ss.com
finn June 16th, 2004, 06:23 AM Beautiful City.The latest population figures give Townsville as 140,000.
Yep, most recent ABS figures are 140,600 as of June 30, 2003.
So that's almost a year ago, and if it has continued the same average annual growth rate from the past 5 years (2.3%), it is probably about 143,800 now.
SoboleuS June 16th, 2004, 11:35 AM Funny name for a town ;)
It's a nice town with a very small skyline, but the tallest building is interesting... 5.5/10
Oriolus June 16th, 2004, 01:31 PM You can view the Townsville projects thread at
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=102191
Blend, the population on SS.com is probably only the population for Townsville City, whereas Townsville is actually made of both Townsville & Thuringowa Cities. Townsville is named after a bloke named Robert Towns and is the largest city in Northern Australia.
We only have a little skyline with 4 skyscrapers built but 4 more currently proposed (not on SS.com yet). The tallest you can see in the pictures is an icon for the city, known locally as the sugar shaker. It is the Holiday Inn and was built in 1977.
The Messiah June 16th, 2004, 04:47 PM Nice!:) Looks cozy! 5.0/10
CLOUDscraper June 17th, 2004, 05:13 AM Very beautiful tropical city, but a small skyline - 5.
Any new projects on the horizon though?
Oriolus June 17th, 2004, 05:31 AM This is the latest project to be announced, 18/16 storey apartment towers.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid121/p1d2556caca82319f38966e0f201964d3/f84f5331.jpg
There are also plans for a 23 storey building and another 12 storey building at other CBD sites, both apartments.
CLOUDscraper - check out the link in my last post for further details - there's lots of exciting stuff happening.
Bass June 22nd, 2004, 08:04 PM For a long time I thought Townsville was just a made up name in the Powerpuff Girls!
The surroundings are great, but the skyline isn't much, 4/10...
SeeMacau June 23rd, 2004, 06:45 AM Nice city .. but the skyline is a bit small !! 7/10
Orfeo June 25th, 2004, 02:44 AM It is a nice city currently a little lacking in the skyline department, but with all these projects it should be quite a bit better in a few years time.
6.5/10
Gertzy September 7th, 2004, 07:27 AM Townsville's population has just passed 155'000
ParraMan September 7th, 2004, 10:37 AM 6.5
It's hard to give Townsville such a low rating, as one of my favourite cities in Oz, but its skyline is lacking, and I do have a dislike for the dominance of the sugar or salt shaker on the skyline. I am looking froward to the new apartment towers to start arriving and making an impact, to give the city a skyline it truly deserves, and one that can put Cairns to shame :)
I think Townsville missed out on a lot of construction activity in the nineties when Cairns was getting that, and as a city that is really only now starting to show off its size and growth I believe the skyline should rate a 7.5 or so in the next few years.
On the technicalities of its 6.5 rating, it has a bit of height, but lacks in density and a well-defined focal point. Its buildings also appear to be too old, ie not too much recent development.
therock September 9th, 2004, 07:43 PM 6/10!
LouisvilleJake January 5th, 2005, 01:37 AM ha! TOWNSVILLE! I LOVE IT! It just isn't in the Powerpuff Girls afterall! Anyway, the skyline has a few neat midrises, I like it. 6/10
THT-United January 17th, 2005, 04:38 PM Cute OZ city, in the mould of Geelong and Cairns...
6/10 (but the ratings may increase with the completion of those new residential towers!)
B@dGuYoM January 17th, 2005, 04:42 PM Clean city 6/10
Wezza March 30th, 2005, 12:49 PM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/Oriolus/StuartPano250.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/Oriolus/VicBridgePano425.jpg
Thanks to Oriolus for these fantastic panos. :)
Possible Townsville Top Ten c.2008
proposed projects in bold
1. Holiday Inn 20s/76m
2. 1-13 Sturt St (Blenz tower) 20s/73m
3. GPD Tower 23s/approx 69m (not confirmed)
4. Highgate Apartments 20s/66m
5. T1 Apartments Walker 20s/65m (Construction begins May)
6. T1 Apartments Sturt 18/59m (Construction begins May)
7. 122 Walker St (Walker House redev) 16s/approx 56m
8. Suncorp Plaza 12s/55m
9. Stanley Place 14s/52m
10. Aquarius 15s/45m
10. Metro Quays 13s/45m
Its probably also worth mentioning that another project...........
11. Gateway On Palmer 12st/41m (Construction begins May)
MattSal March 31st, 2005, 02:22 AM Not really much of anything. I give it a 5/10. :(
Wezza March 31st, 2005, 09:13 AM ^ Compare it to most other cities with that many residents and you might think better of it.
Oriolus April 1st, 2005, 01:57 AM Here's another of my panos, this time from Castle Hill
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/Oriolus/CastleHillPano425.jpg
JRQ April 2nd, 2005, 04:51 AM Very neat looking skyline...I like the roundish building.
8.5/10
Gertzy April 4th, 2005, 02:21 PM Cute OZ city, in the mould of Geelong and Cairns...
No, Probably more in the mould of Geelong but far from the mould of Cairns.
nikko April 4th, 2005, 02:39 PM Townsville is great. Not really up there in terms of skyline yet, but it's definately getting there...fast :D
9.5/10
james2390 April 4th, 2005, 10:25 PM Some interesting buildings...
7/10
Jonesy55 April 5th, 2005, 12:52 AM I like Townsville, to be honest there isn't a great skyline but the town itself is cool. When I was in Oz people were always saying how Cairns was the place to go in north QLD and Townsville was dull. I found Cairns to be pretty boring, full of backpackers and US marines and generally not too nice but I much preferred Townsville, Magnetic Island is really nice and laid-back too!
I'll give it an 8.5 even if the skyline doesn't really deserve it ;)
Wezza April 5th, 2005, 10:15 AM Yeah, in a few years time the skyline will be much better. :)
MAR_tm April 5th, 2005, 05:13 PM beautiful city, no much skyline
Medo April 6th, 2005, 07:38 AM Great location and a nice little skyline. 8
Oriolus June 21st, 2005, 06:39 AM An overcast Townsville this morning
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/Oriolus/WOS1.jpg
rt_0891 June 23rd, 2005, 12:32 AM 5.5/10
Gertzy December 5th, 2005, 04:40 PM Here's a Townsville Pano courtesy of Oriolus
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/3701/overpasspanos2hz.jpg
Showing some new development compared to the Others.
Sideshow_Bob December 7th, 2005, 03:35 PM 4/10
forvine January 27th, 2006, 12:35 AM 6.5/10
Pruim April 2nd, 2006, 08:41 PM .... hardy noticable skyline... 3.5/10
sc4 April 6th, 2006, 12:09 PM hmm...aside from the phallic erecting up and a few others, doesn't catch my attention. Nice harbor area though. 5/10
Sinjin P. April 14th, 2006, 02:39 PM 4/10
SactoSpam November 8th, 2006, 08:23 AM 4.5/10
Dreamlıneя November 10th, 2006, 04:19 AM 5/10
y_nigel December 5th, 2006, 08:13 PM I was there in Summer (australian Summer) and man was it hot.
Seemed that everything happened in Townsville at an unbearably
slow pace...
Wezza December 19th, 2006, 09:05 AM ^^
Harden up mate!! :lol:
LMCA1990 December 24th, 2006, 07:01 AM 7/10 - beautiful city. it'll definately be an 8 when it's proyects are finished.
ZZ-II April 14th, 2007, 08:15 PM 6.5/10
nano2192 April 14th, 2007, 11:09 PM nice town but there is no skyline 5.5/10
Brisbaner21 July 24th, 2007, 06:11 AM Its a booming city with a lot of development going on. 7.5/10
Wezza October 3rd, 2007, 01:23 PM A more recent pic: (Kudos to phreeky82)
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_4137cr.jpg
There are quite a few cranes on the skyline at the moment, the whole CBD is like a construction zone. :)
Cristovão471 October 3rd, 2007, 02:20 PM 6/10 That hotel- salt shaker thing is one of the ugliest stuctures I have ever seen.
And yes I have seen it with my own eyes, someone should C4 it.
goschio October 3rd, 2007, 02:54 PM Ah nice a Townsville thread. Lots of construction going on in CBD. The skyline is growing. But right now its only 6/10
Should be better next year.
isaidso October 4th, 2007, 01:43 AM Nice! It's Australia's Kelowna. These 2 cities should be twinned. Sunny and booming.
Skyman October 17th, 2007, 06:11 AM Lovely place for living 7/10
Kailyas January 9th, 2008, 03:33 AM 6.5/10
Gertzy March 22nd, 2008, 04:57 PM Here are some more recent pictures of Townsville:
First one courtesy of SEanll.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2329968577_5e646611e0_b.jpg
and the rest taken by me:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2218/2119629035_011c40e847_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2352335096_e8d30f1ea9_b.jpg
Burden May 9th, 2008, 06:34 AM A few more of Townsville, There is also a construction picture of one of Townsville bigins, Which is Dalgety at 20 stories. Townsville is going very very strong at the moment, nearly 16 tower cranes in and around the city. The city is regional Australias fastest growing city with Townsville having more Towers cranes that Adelaide which is a capital city housing a population over 1 million whilst Townsville has a population of 200k. There are LOTS of Towers being built in Townsville at present and will be pretty cool to see the skyline within the next two years because it wont be anything like these pictures. Ill post more later :D.
http://i30.tinypic.com/30xbszn.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/eq7bsz.jpg
christos-greece May 9th, 2008, 06:44 PM WoW! Nice town :)
8/10
Ni3lS May 10th, 2008, 12:09 AM 5,5/10
Burden May 10th, 2008, 11:10 AM Here a few more. Curtsy of "Preeky82"- (There have been quote of Townsville looking like a mini Dubai ;), Can you spot the 11 tower cranes in the city for a population of only 186,000)
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7259r.jpg
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7278cr.jpg
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7291r.jpg
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7295cr1.jpg
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7300cr.jpg
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7306cr1.jpg
http://www.clubpoint.net/bluebird/.townsville/Img_7313r.jpg
W!CKED July 27th, 2008, 10:43 PM 6/10
Burden September 6th, 2008, 01:22 PM Density shot:
http://i25.tinypic.com/4tq0rk.jpg
GATEWAY ON PALMER
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/2520002372_469dc885f0.jpg
SKYSCRAPER CANYON
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2520003736_1e2cbaf481.jpg
SKYSCRAPER CANYON 2
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2518262516_c132b3c1f0.jpg
TOWNSVILLE TOWERS
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2518252846_c6af2f468d.jpg
CASTLETOWN SHOPPING CENTRE (AUS'S LARGEST "TARGET" DEPARTMENT STORE)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3262/2517446873_af2263eebe.jpg
CASTLETOWN SHOPPING CENTRE 2
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2518265646_a99d769709.jpg
CBD OF TOWNSVILLE PLAGUED WITH CRANES
http://i30.tinypic.com/2a9eflt.jpg
CRANES BY THE STRAND
http://i26.tinypic.com/11ilr47.jpg
A PICTURESS CBD BY NIGHT
http://i25.tinypic.com/13zcrhz.jpg
A LONELY NIGHT BY THE PIER AT THE STRAND
http://i28.tinypic.com/dpe993.jpg
DAIRY FARMERS STADIUM, CAP: 25,000
http://i32.tinypic.com/2a9sdqa.jpg
'THE ROSS'
http://i25.tinypic.com/8yb3bo.jpg
THE CASTLE
http://i31.tinypic.com/2z7mo0n.jpg
AN IBIS :)
http://i30.tinypic.com/v33wom.jpg
NIGHTLIFE
http://i31.tinypic.com/207km84.jpg
THE VIEW
http://i26.tinypic.com/w2f7v7.jpg
GOOD FISHING
http://i31.tinypic.com/affoty.jpg
WATCH THIS SKYLINE AS IT CHANGES
http://i27.tinypic.com/w7opzd.jpg
CITY
http://i25.tinypic.com/28b7210.jpg
TOWNSVILLE'S AWARD WINING RIVERWAY
http://i31.tinypic.com/2501nns.jpg
RIVERWAY
http://i31.tinypic.com/2dcbex1.jpg
RIVERWAY
http://i25.tinypic.com/alsub6.jpg
CURTSY OF A EDITED 'PHEERKY82' PICTURE
http://i25.tinypic.com/28hd7kn.jpg
BY THE STRAND, LOOKING TOWARD MINI DUBAI
http://i28.tinypic.com/2sac6dh.jpg
T1
http://i27.tinypic.com/2v1otc7.jpg
YBTL INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
http://i27.tinypic.com/nz15xj.jpg
OFF CASTLE HILL
http://i30.tinypic.com/2zoj5tf.jpg
TOUCHING
http://i31.tinypic.com/15q1yxt.jpg
skytrax September 7th, 2008, 04:06 AM 6/10
Burden September 14th, 2008, 05:48 AM Here are the most recent CBD pictures I took yesterday! The City at its current state is going off literally.
• Dalgety
http://i33.tinypic.com/8wdqbt.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/33u76kj.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2dilooj.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/sw4o48.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/ilzst0.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/ou5b2t.jpg
• New Altitude tower's impact on the Skyline.
http://i33.tinypic.com/20shfky.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2ap7vq.jpg
• Some recently completed Highrises
http://i36.tinypic.com/34t60bo.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/2w4wr2o.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/210hq87.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/smumo8.jpg
(I had to add my name to the Gateway Pictures because the local paper was swiping them :P)
http://i37.tinypic.com/2j0faz8.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/k3ly0w.jpg
Work about to start on a new 15 level Tower:
http://i35.tinypic.com/11rptvo.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/5wmmp1.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/35cph7l.jpg
cmoonflyer September 15th, 2008, 03:21 AM 7/10
Oriolus November 5th, 2008, 01:48 AM Wow, been ages since I visited this thread. And Sean, please take note, this is Rate Our SKYLINES! Don't just spam the thread with every photo of anything in Townsville you can lay your hands on. And this isn't the place to put all your construction photos. I mean a photo of the cabin of a crane? A dead tree??!! The entrance to a department store??!! A f^&$ing ibis??!! Yeesh!
Heres a few more from me:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2997816210_02eddfc020_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/2997816210/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2997816966_8f89c8cb20_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/2997816966/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/2997821090_66360baa15_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/2997821090/)
Kawasaki KG November 5th, 2008, 04:25 PM http://i38.tinypic.com/vdk64j.jpg
Kawasaki KG November 5th, 2008, 04:25 PM 3/10
fozzy November 5th, 2008, 04:37 PM I think it looks like a nice little city i give it 7/10 coz i think it's not a bad skyline for the size of this city. I wish my city had a climate more like townsville. I live in leeds in the UK and it's cold,damp and dull today.
dmagsteph November 5th, 2008, 11:24 PM 5/10
Beautiful but Small ...
/ Lille, France : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=23152282#post23152282
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5448/768vp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Eduardo L. Ramirez November 11th, 2008, 03:47 PM extremely low but of acceptable quality- 5.5/10
Quall November 12th, 2008, 04:28 AM 9/10
I love this little skyline. Looks really nice against Castle Mountain.
MelboyPete November 12th, 2008, 12:48 PM 3.5/10 ...love Townsville but the skyline isn't note worthy.
sieradzanin1 November 17th, 2008, 12:01 PM 8/10
romanito November 17th, 2008, 05:12 PM 6.5/10
Miguel_Prat March 10th, 2009, 04:11 PM 5/10
Mosaic March 11th, 2009, 06:41 PM 5/10
Burden May 9th, 2009, 11:27 AM 1gdfgfd
Burden May 9th, 2009, 11:31 AM http://i41.tinypic.com/2m30n77.jpg
tonyssa May 12th, 2009, 03:21 PM 6.5/10
henry hill June 9th, 2009, 10:09 PM 6.5/10
69Ketchup June 27th, 2009, 05:29 PM nice city love the name because it seems like http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:fyrdYEjH3ws0hM:http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii263/banditgirl_rodriguez1/powerpuff-girls-092.jpg hehe!:lol:
c6josh September 4th, 2009, 05:53 PM I voted 6/10 quiet city/town, simple but livable...
#obert September 6th, 2009, 02:32 AM Nothing Special 5/10
MDguy September 6th, 2009, 04:00 AM OMG @ their tallest :puke:
But not too bad 7/10 lol
xavarreiro October 6th, 2009, 04:13 AM 7/10
KAZAN RESIDENT October 16th, 2009, 07:22 PM 6/10
Jan Del Castillo October 30th, 2009, 10:34 AM 7. Regards.
TheCanadianEuro November 18th, 2009, 08:18 PM 8.47%. 6.5.
HK999 January 17th, 2010, 01:22 PM 6/10
donparcero January 17th, 2010, 01:27 PM 7/10
:)
Heroico January 18th, 2010, 05:46 PM 6/10
romanito January 19th, 2010, 02:53 PM Nice city! Where is this Australian city, near Darwin?
Wezza January 24th, 2010, 02:09 AM Nice city! Where is this Australian city, near Darwin?
http://media.maps.com/magellan/Images/AUSTRA-W1.gif
Northern Queensland. ;)
Here's one i took mid last year:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/wezza/SL370380.jpg
SydneyCity January 5th, 2011, 01:21 AM Townsville is starting to look very nice indeed, sort of like a mini Gold Coast. I give it 6/10.
IrishMan2010 January 5th, 2011, 08:24 PM 6/10.
BY120 January 5th, 2011, 10:53 PM View of the Townsville skyline from Castle Hill (Townsville, Australia)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4867765337_93a874a9a7_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/4867765337/
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4868378994_09daa34f52_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/4868378994/
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4099/4868367720_5610d8e590_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/4868367720/
Geocarlos January 6th, 2011, 02:01 AM Very nice.....needs more scrapers!!!
slimsticky April 11th, 2011, 02:24 AM http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5089/5213317586_01f7278fc1.jpg
The Townsville Skyline at night, really lights up the city's business district
:tiasd:
Aztecgoddess April 11th, 2011, 02:47 AM 8/10 very cute :)
anak_mm April 12th, 2011, 11:17 AM nice city love the name because it seems like http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:fyrdYEjH3ws0hM:http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii263/banditgirl_rodriguez1/powerpuff-girls-092.jpg hehe!:lol:
gXW9pDxQlU4
btw nice harbor & young skyline, looks tropical in some pics
SydneyCity April 13th, 2011, 07:03 AM ^^ that's because Townsville is tropical.
anak_mm April 13th, 2011, 07:58 AM ^^ sorry :colgate: i forgot to check out that map
mossimoh April 26th, 2011, 09:32 PM what skyline...3/10
Srdjan Adamovic December 31st, 2011, 07:27 AM 5/10
tita01 December 31st, 2011, 09:22 AM 4 out 10 :)
SydneyCity February 25th, 2012, 06:22 AM http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6808752721_bb923ac316_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussieshutterbug/6808752721/)
Townsville River (http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussieshutterbug/6808752721/) by Aussieshutterbug (http://www.flickr.com/people/aussieshutterbug/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6805437107_cd6e8cf458_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96875834@N00/6805437107/)
Townsville city and beyond (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96875834@N00/6805437107/) by Stephen Peter (http://www.flickr.com/people/96875834@N00/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6805438011_474d0d9fcc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96875834@N00/6805438011/)
Townsville from the water (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96875834@N00/6805438011/) by Stephen Peter (http://www.flickr.com/people/96875834@N00/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6805444189_4dc10d45d1_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96875834@N00/6805444189/)
Water Playground (3), Townsville (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96875834@N00/6805444189/) by Stephen Peter (http://www.flickr.com/people/96875834@N00/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6767971783_9bf391062f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonmclachlan/6767971783/)
Townsville River (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonmclachlan/6767971783/) by Jason McLachlan (http://www.flickr.com/people/jasonmclachlan/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6640367615_44d0897726_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonmclachlan/6640367615/)
Townsville bridge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonmclachlan/6640367615/) by Jason McLachlan (http://www.flickr.com/people/jasonmclachlan/), on Flickr
mossimoh February 27th, 2012, 09:38 PM 2/10
Burden February 28th, 2012, 05:34 AM those shots are about 10 years old mate
Burden February 28th, 2012, 05:36 AM Recent one:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6869093423_22537e75fa_b.jpg
Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_copp_photos/6869093423/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Burden February 28th, 2012, 05:39 AM http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/SEanll/DSCF3020.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/SEanll/DSCF3007.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/SEanll/DSCF3027.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/SEanll/DSCF3010.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4021/4649077551_fbe78dac14_b.jpg
FAAN February 28th, 2012, 05:27 PM 3/10
Simple, with low buildings and ugly. Sorry
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