http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6093072458_d8cc8aa72b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/farquharson/6093072458/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Needs a paint job. It would look a lot better if they replaced the seats, preferably in one consistent colour.

^^ These seats were installed quite recently, they are brand-new. :nuts: They will not be replaced soon. ;)

@Timo9: why don't post all your pictures in one post instead of creating so many inidvidual posts? :dunno:

in my opinion, it would be better if first stand comes down to the ground, and now that awey supporters are placed in the last stand north or south, i will remove at the first stand all that plexiglass hurdle between a sector and the other.

^^ These seats were installed quite recently, they are brand-new. :nuts: They will not be replaced soon. ;)

@Timo9: why don't post all your pictures in one post instead of creating so many inidvidual posts? :dunno:

It's an old SSC recommendation for don't overloading the pages! (low connections) :)

in my opinion, it would be better if first stand comes down to the ground

Originally the first stand touched the grass but before Italy 90 world cup they change the stand. i don´t know why.

Check this video from 1989.
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Originally the first stand touched the grass but before Italy 90 world cup they change the stand. i don´t know why.

Check this video from 1989.
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From that same game, here's the nice full stadium view of when both teams had a minute of silence for the victims of the Hillsborough disaster. The Milan fans started singing "You'll Never Walk Alone". Awesome moment.

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The stadium looked so much better with the stands right down to the ground. It's such a little touch but makes a big difference.

Hey everyone!
my name is Mehran and I'm an architecture student, me and my group are working on giuseppe meazza stadium as a university project, we have to introduce it to our classmates and analyze it from every possible aspect.
I could find so many useful pictures and explanations here but unfortunately I was unable to find some exact documents like plans,sections,structure,details etc. as cad or pdf drawing I only found some schematic photos or hand drawing and things like that, for example I have no idea whats going on under the stadium or what is the plan of vip parts or other parts of the stadium.
could you guys do me a favor and help me with that,if you have any thing useful pleas email me because I am unable to see a lot of the photos you uploaded here because of filtering issue in my country.
my email:
mehranr801@gmail.com

Inter Milan is the right and left?

Hey everyone!
my name is Mehran and I'm an architecture student, me and my group are working on giuseppe meazza stadium as a university project, we have to introduce it to our classmates and analyze it from every possible aspect.
I could find so many useful pictures and explanations here but unfortunately I was unable to find some exact documents like plans,sections,structure,details etc. as cad or pdf drawing I only found some schematic photos or hand drawing and things like that, for example I have no idea whats going on under the stadium or what is the plan of vip parts or other parts of the stadium.
could you guys do me a favor and help me with that,if you have any thing useful pleas email me because I am unable to see a lot of the photos you uploaded here because of filtering issue in my country.
my email:
mehranr801@gmail.com
I can't help you and I don't know if somebody here can...
I suggest to visit this site and maybe try to contact the management:
http://www.sansiro.net/e/index.html

;)
Inter Milan is the right and left?
ehm... what? :nuts:

:D

I can't help you and I don't know if somebody here can...
I suggest to visit this site and maybe try to contact the management:
http://www.sansiro.net/e/index.html

;)

ehm... what? :nuts:

:D


thanks, I've already visited that website, it has very good pics but not any documents.

In the "contact us" section you can find some useful mail addresses.

MANAGEMENT

Tel. +39 02 48713713
Fax +39 02 48713719
info@sansiroduemila.com


SAN SIRO STORE

Tel. +39 02 4046430
Fax +39 02 4039688
sansirostore@sansirostore.it


MUSEO AND TOUR

Tel. +39 02 4042432
Fax +39 02 4042251
tour@sansirotour.com




Maybe if you write to the management they can help you. ;)



PS: be prepared to cope with the Italian disorganization and wait for a long time for a reply (if they reply). :D

Imagine a red and black facade of seating :D

In the "contact us" section you can find some useful mail addresses.

MANAGEMENT

Tel. +39 02 48713713
Fax +39 02 48713719
info@sansiroduemila.com


SAN SIRO STORE

Tel. +39 02 4046430
Fax +39 02 4039688
sansirostore@sansirostore.it


MUSEO AND TOUR

Tel. +39 02 4042432
Fax +39 02 4042251
tour@sansirotour.com




Maybe if you write to the management they can help you. ;)



PS: be prepared to cope with the Italian disorganization and wait for a long time for a reply (if they reply). :D




I don't think they be able to provide what I need, I've wrote to the architect and engineer of stadium via their website and still waiting for the answer
I'm used to disorganization, I live in Iran and Iranians and Italians have many things in common ;)

Imagine a red and black facade of seating :D

:runaway:

Don't know if this (amazing) fact about the San Siro architecture/design was already mentioned in this thread or not... Anyway, here is a video about that (broadcasted almost 15 years ago on the Franco-German cultural TV channel: ARTE), a video that I'm glad to have found again recently, about the "rotative" (:yes:) towers of this stadium:

:|
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"Video Stadio" - 1997 (Arte)
Il ne s'agit pas d'une vision futuriste, d'un quelconque projet utopique ou d'une simulation informatique. Ces colonnes existent bel et bien : ce sont les rampes d'accès aux tribunes du stade San Siro, à Milan. Mais contrairement à ce que nous pouvons voir, elles ne tournent pas sur elles-mêmes : elles sont désespérément fixes, aussi immobiles que n'importe quel autre bâtiment. C'est une illusion d'optique, sans doute provoquée par le mouvement de la foule qui descend.
arte.tv/fr (http://www.arte.tv/fr/368910,CmC=368922.html)

"Video Stadio" - 1997 (Arte)
Es ist keine futuristische Vision, kein utopisches Projekt und auch keine Computersimulation. Diese Säulen existieren wirklich. Es handelt sich um die Aufgänge zur Tribüne im Stadion San Siro in Mailand. Aber im Gegensatz zu dem, was wir sehen, drehen sie sich nicht um ihre eigene Achse - nein, sie stehen genauso fest und unerschütterlich da wie Gebäude eben dastehen. Es ist eine optische Täuschung, hervorgerufen durch die Bewegung der hinuntergehenden Menge.
arte.tv/de (http://www.arte.tv/de/Kultur-entdecken/die-nacht-la-nuit/Die-Nacht-_2F-La-Nuit-_2315/368910,CmC=368922.html)





Original 7 minute version of this amazing optical illusion:
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Lol, great. Thanks a lot. Love it

great ! :)

But those towers could be dangerous with this height if a fight begins between certain fans no?

No fences?

Yep stadium planners take "fights" into consideration when planning a stadium. Do you ever use common sense?

i give the example of fights but you can talk about something else!

Why do you search to provoke me?

I notice no fences for this dangerous height and you just want to troll this discussion

Be polite please and discussions will go well :)

i actually agree with axel for the first time in my life. they dont look like the safest things in the world. then again, i hate heights so that could just be my irrational fears speaking :) also, the san siro looks a lot better in a lot of these pictures than it does on tv. im not a fan of the plexi glass or the height of the stands from the pitch which kind of ruin the whole stadium for me but it definitely is an impressive structure.

great ! :)

But those towers could be dangerous with this height if a fight begins between certain fans no?

No fences?
Each tower gives access to a specifical section of the third ring.

Home-fans and host-fans will never share the same tower, because it's impossible.

BTW some towers have some fences in order to avoid the launch of objects. Till now there were no problems but some people suiciding.

thank you for info

But it was obvious this height will give ideas concerning the suicide question :|

Suicide would have been possible even with a minor height... Few metres are enough if you want to die.

BTW, even if San Siro was suicide-proof, people would have found different places/ways to do that.

BTW some towers have some fences

Indeed... :ohno: :( (the corner towers only, if I'm not mistaken :dunno:) ... BUT, please don't add fences to the other towers !!! I mean, If you do so, then what about the unique rotating movement (:yes:) of these towers ?


:colbert:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6093072458_d8cc8aa72b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/farquharson/6093072458/sizes/l/in/photostream/



:applause:

The San Siro needs a major overhaul to bring it up too modern times. I suggest the following.

1. Lower the pitch, and bring the seats closer to the field.
2. Completely remove the second deck on the far side. Put in club seating, and on top of that add 3 to 4 levels of luxury boxes.

Sure this would lower the capacity, (not by much) but it would greatly increase revenue, with closer seating, clubs, and boxes.

The San Siro needs a major overhaul to bring it up too modern times. I suggest the following.

1. Lower the pitch, and bring the seats closer to the field.
2. Completely remove the second deck on the far side. Put in club seating, and on top of that add 3 to 4 levels of luxury boxes.

Sure this would lower the capacity, (not by much) but it would greatly increase revenue, with closer seating, clubs, and boxes.

If anywhere, the corporate facilities would be needed in the main grandstand. The far side is much less attractive.

That's why you would totally redo the far stands to make them up to date, with tons of amenities.

This is something like what I was thinking, of course an architect would make this a lot more attractive, but you can get the idea. Milan's match day revenue would increase 3x with something like this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfG-zWI0wKA/TvtuQ5z1hgI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wmNZsly9kKc/s400/new%2Bsan%2Bsiro.png

Again lower the pitch and get the fans closer.

These types of improvements would greatly extend the life of San Siro, and make it more profitable, and not to mention attractive to cup finals and tournaments.

Only problem is the pitch. The lack of wind and sunlight means it's horrendous for the grounds keepers.

In San Siro the pitch is a great problem... During the winter, the stadium is used almost every 3 days (not to mention the days it's used for host teams training sessions), the climate of Milan is not favourable and the interior of the stadium is not enough ventilated and lit (by natural light).

In these days the consortium which manages the stadium is setting down a new grass bought in France. It should last till February/March, then I think they will do it again.


I think a solution to this problem would be a synthetic grass...

@Mrizzo

I don't see why you need to demolish a tier, why don't you add the American-style stacked boxes above it? It would give the ground a better look, 'enclosing' that stand and completing the bowl at the top, albeit with boxes.

Milan's (or Inter's) best hope for increasing stadium revenue would be to actually own the site though.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfG-zWI0wKA/TvtuQ5z1hgI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wmNZsly9kKc/s400/new%2Bsan%2Bsiro.png

* Again this image is just a rough idea.

The reason I would tear down the second deck on the far side is simple. It's a space issue. (You can only go back so far before you hit the hippodrome). Not to mention club seats and skyboxes closer to the field will even increase their value.

I suggest building a new concourse, so fans would enter near the top of the first level, instead of those gates down by the pitch. Directly above that, you would have a club level, 9 rows of posh seats infront of a club the would have bars and lounges. Above that you would have your lurxry boxes, if you stack them high enough you could basically inclose the stadium. (Very intimating)

That's why you would totally redo the far stands to make them up to date, with tons of amenities.

This is something like what I was thinking, of course an architect would make this a lot more attractive, but you can get the idea. Milan's match day revenue would increase 3x with something like this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfG-zWI0wKA/TvtuQ5z1hgI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wmNZsly9kKc/s400/new%2Bsan%2Bsiro.png

What I meant is that both UEFA and FIFA demand more amenities at the main stand, not opposite it. So it would sound more reasonably to do it there instead of the opposite side...

It is gonna be difficult to put luxury boxes in this stadium, especially if I don't even want any significant portions of the seating bowl torn down for any. The only expansion I see is completely enclosing the 3rd tier at San Siro with regular seating, and now you expect me to tear down some of the original seating bowl all because of some luxury boxes?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfG-zWI0wKA/TvtuQ5z1hgI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wmNZsly9kKc/s400/new%2Bsan%2Bsiro.png
Why not just a suit "tower" above the 2nd tier

The reason I would tear down the second deck on the far side is simple. It's a space issue. (You can only go back so far before you hit the hippodrome). Not to mention club seats and skyboxes closer to the field will even increase their value.


You wouldn't to go back much, if at all, because the boxes would be stacked on top of each other, rather than a tier with a gradient of 45 degrees or whatever. You could even have a slight overhang.

Another option would be to demolish the second tier, build the vertical boxes and then a regular seating tier above it to the same height as the 3rd tiers, but making it overhang if space at the back is an issue. The San Siro would maybe need a new roof if one of Inter or Milan took over the ground and wanted major external and internal renovation, probably to let more light in.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfG-zWI0wKA/TvtuQ5z1hgI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wmNZsly9kKc/s400/new%2Bsan%2Bsiro.png
Why not just a suit "tower" above the 2nd tier

you can't block the view of the sansiro hippodrome

Why?

5-6 levels of suites wouldn't be a problem.

Why?

5-6 levels of suites wouldn't be a problem.


dunno, though it is the reason why they never added a tier there

There is not enough space for a 3rd tier.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1252/716919099_bc302d3f47.jpg

Therefore a 5-6 suit level would be better

Love that stadium

In order to get a full 3rd tier, we'd have to sell off and get rid of the Hippodrome first.

I think it not possible, because its old.

Then a new horse racing stadium can be built elsewhere in the Milan area. Any potential scheme for the finishing of the stadium (which does involve a full 3rd tier) does not call for the retaining of the Hippodrome. They will not have a choice but to purchase land from the Hippodrome east of the stadium. They probably just do not care if it is old.

That's why you would totally redo the far stands to make them up to date, with tons of amenities.

This is something like what I was thinking, of course an architect would make this a lot more attractive, but you can get the idea. Milan's match day revenue would increase 3x with something like this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XfG-zWI0wKA/TvtuQ5z1hgI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wmNZsly9kKc/s400/new%2Bsan%2Bsiro.png

Again lower the pitch and get the fans closer.

These types of improvements would greatly extend the life of San Siro, and make it more profitable, and not to mention attractive to cup finals and tournaments.



cool pic
:cheers:

Then a new horse racing stadium can be built elsewhere in the Milan area. Any potential scheme for the finishing of the stadium (which does involve a full 3rd tier) does not call for the retaining of the Hippodrome. They will not have a choice but to purchase land from the Hippodrome east of the stadium. They probably just do not care if it is old.
The Hippodrome was built in the same years of the stadium and now it's protected by the Cultural Heritage Department. ;)

Still one of my favorites. A renovation could help. especially a reconstruction of those annoying fences in the lower tier.

The Hippodrome was built in the same years of the stadium and now it's protected by the Cultural Heritage Department. ;)

Not a good thing. Now San Siro will never be built out all because some heritage-protected structure is in the way of expansion.

BTW the hyppodrom is there and has all the rights to be there... So, I think we will have to find a different way to improve San Siro. ;)

BTW the hyppodrom is there and has all the rights to be there... So, I think we will have to find a different way to improve San Siro. ;)

I don't find any solution to improve San Siro apart the demolition of the hyppodrom!

or just 5-6 levels of suites

Milan, January 5, 2012 - San Siro like stadiums in England. Without fences between the playing field and bleachers. In Italy, for now, the only stage that follows the British model is the new stadium of Juventus, which opened earlier this season. The Meazza, reach the same standard from next season 2012-2013. In June, in fact, are scheduled to work to eliminate the gap that separates the lawn from the stands of the first ring and the fences that divide the various sectors (red, green, orange and blue). This amounts to 80 000 euros spending planned for this intervention by the former consortium San Siro 2000, just renamed MI Stadium Ltd., initials that are going to Milan and Inter, who has over ten years in the management Meazza, owned by the City. By the beginning of the 2013-2014 football season, moreover, there is also the elimination of fences between the stands of the second and third ring. Delicate step because it will involve areas traditionally frequented by hooligans, the South Curva of the Rossoneri and Nerazzurri of North Curva.

The end result will be a stadium without barriers, one of the requirements of UEFA to promote San Siro "stadium elite", ie suitable to host a Champions League final. The Councillor for Sports Bisconti Clare said: "The Meazza without fences is a legitimate aim, but it must be considered under the age of the stadium and safety for the spectators." The Bisconti, meanwhile, points to the year 2014 as a candidate just for the stadium in Milan last act of the Champions. But to hope to convince the Uefa need at least two other interventions, as well as the elimination of barriers: the remaking of all the toilets of the stadium, expected by 2013, and the replacement of all internal signs, planned in 2014. After these three interventions, the Meazza stadium will be considered one of the elite in all respects. La Scala of football, in short, even by the standards of UEFA.

The icing on the cake, on the front of the links to the stadium, will stop five of the new line underground, built by the Expo 2015. Palazzo Marino, however, points to the Meazza candidate for the Champions League final of 2014. Because the first year of the Expo 2015? "It will be a driving force for the 2015 event, a rehearsal of the events to be hosted at the World's Fair - the assessor explains Bisconti -. In 2015 Milan aims to end host of other sports, those prized in Asian countries such as cricket, table tennis and badminton. One way to further encourage Chinese tourists to visit and not only Milan and Expo. "

i doubt about Milan to catch asian markets.

They look England first due to comonwealth feeling.

But to have works enhancing the quality of spectators is good news!

i'm fed up to see this hostile bottom first tiers everytime at TV.

It's time for meazza to make its 2nd revolution.

Milan, January 5, 2012 - San Siro like stadiums in England. Without fences between the playing field and bleachers. In Italy, for now, the only stage that follows the British model is the new stadium of Juventus, which opened earlier this season. The Meazza, reach the same standard from next season 2012-2013. In June, in fact, are scheduled to work to eliminate the gap that separates the lawn from the stands of the first ring and the fences that divide the various sectors (red, green, orange and blue). This amounts to 80 000 euros spending planned for this intervention by the former consortium San Siro 2000, just renamed MI Stadium Ltd., initials that are going to Milan and Inter, who has over ten years in the management Meazza, owned by the City. By the beginning of the 2013-2014 football season, moreover, there is also the elimination of fences between the stands of the second and third ring. Delicate step because it will involve areas traditionally frequented by hooligans, the South Curva of the Rossoneri and Nerazzurri of North Curva.

The end result will be a stadium without barriers, one of the requirements of UEFA to promote San Siro "stadium elite", ie suitable to host a Champions League final. The Councillor for Sports Bisconti Clare said: "The Meazza without fences is a legitimate aim, but it must be considered under the age of the stadium and safety for the spectators." The Bisconti, meanwhile, points to the year 2014 as a candidate just for the stadium in Milan last act of the Champions. But to hope to convince the Uefa need at least two other interventions, as well as the elimination of barriers: the remaking of all the toilets of the stadium, expected by 2013, and the replacement of all internal signs, planned in 2014. After these three interventions, the Meazza stadium will be considered one of the elite in all respects. La Scala of football, in short, even by the standards of UEFA.

The icing on the cake, on the front of the links to the stadium, will stop five of the new line underground, built by the Expo 2015. Palazzo Marino, however, points to the Meazza candidate for the Champions League final of 2014. Because the first year of the Expo 2015? "It will be a driving force for the 2015 event, a rehearsal of the events to be hosted at the World's Fair - the assessor explains Bisconti -. In 2015 Milan aims to end host of other sports, those prized in Asian countries such as cricket, table tennis and badminton. One way to further encourage Chinese tourists to visit and not only Milan and Expo. "

google translate?

google translate?
Yes, I have no time to translate ;)

Yes, I have no time to translate ;)

Any chance for the original article?

Any chance for the original article?
http://www.ilgiorno.it/milano/cronaca/2012/01/05/647542-rivoluzione_corso.shtml

:dunno:

http://www.ilgiorno.it/milano/cronaca/2012/01/05/647542-rivoluzione_corso.shtml

:dunno:

Grazie! :)

Although im Bayern Munich fan and dont like both clubs i really like the Guiseppe-Meazza/San Siro. This stadium is special.

With 80.000 it's big enough, probably too big. Inter has a average attendance of 59.500 and Milan only 46.580. In Champions league in group stage against smaller clubs only 20.00-35.000. I dont know why but italian prefer buying sky-abo instead of going into stadium. Especially against smaller teams. But when it's full it's always great atmosphere.

i really hope Inter and AC will modernise this stadium and im sure attendance will rise minimum 6.000 in both clubs. pls dont waste your money for players like Tevez. Invest in your future. And if necessary sell your stadium name rights. Real fans still call it San Siro/Guiseppe Meazza and dont care. ;-)

I don't think they be able to provide what I need, I've wrote to the architect and engineer of stadium via their website and still waiting for the answer
I'm used to disorganization, I live in Iran and Iranians and Italians have many things in common ;)

:applause:


btw, love san siro, one of my favorite stadiums

Any talk about them lowering the field too? They could easily get 5-10 more rows of seats closer to the field, if they lowered it.

If they do that, and remove the fences, they're half way there. After than simply replace the the 2nd tier on the far side with clubs and luxury suites, and you a have a Cup Final stadium.

Any talk about them lowering the field too? They could easily get 5-10 more rows of seats closer to the field, if they lowered it.
With a budget of €80,000 for this year's works they clearly don't take that into consideration. Only cosmetic works, it seems.

I know that the stadium renovation will proceed through different phases, from here to 2014; thus, i presume that € 80.000 will be only a part of all the money that will be spent for the stadium renovation.
I don't think the field level can be lowered: everywhere inside the stadium the fences will be removed, so that between the tribunes of the first tier and the field there will be enough space to create some new rows of seats, in order to give the stadium an english ambiance.

I don't know why they can't lower the field and bring seats close to the action.

I also think, if done properly, rebuilding the far side and adding decks of luxury boxes will great extend the life of the San Siro.

I believe it is impossible to lower the field further.
Being the stands very inclined, the viewing angle from the upper tiers towards the field would change so that the sight from certain places could be compromised.

I'm talking about lowering the pitch 10 feet, to add about 8 rows of supporters.

It certainly is possible, the steepness of current seats make it very possible.

whats the current distance between pitch and first row?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8113/trovaledifferenze.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/trovaledifferenze.jpg/)

FIND THE DIFFERENCE!

:cheers:

I'm talking about lowering the pitch 10 feet, to add about 8 rows of supporters.

It certainly is possible, the steepness of current seats make it very possible.

Here's the view from the back row of the second tier (rather blurry - I had a very crap cheap camera back then)

http://stadiumsandcities.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/san-siro-11.jpg?w=1000&h=

It's clear from that, that a 10 foot drop would mean the edge of the pitch would vanish from view.

has anyone reached any conclusion about the height of the stadium? Pitch to highest seat... pitch to top of the roof?

Any nice cut drawing of the stadium, showing heights?

at the section plan thread there are small plans.

Maybe this one is the tallest in Europe. At Sketchup i've measured 50m :D

Look how back the seats are behind the goals.

You absolutely could drop the field a few feet. Plus the seat are already elevated, especially behind the goals. Why not extend the stands closer.

It seems obvious, I guess the Milan club are flat out broke, or at least the stadium situation in Italy is.

^^
The stadium isn't owned by the clubs, but by the Municipality.

Look how back the seats are behind the goals.

You absolutely could drop the field a few feet. Plus the seat are already elevated, especially behind the goals. Why not extend the stands closer.

It seems obvious, I guess the Milan club are flat out broke, or at least the stadium situation in Italy is.

I posted this video earlier in the thread but before the renovation and addition of the 3rd tier, the seats at the San Siro were down to pitch level.

5ZrVfMRyoE0

Look how back the seats are behind the goals.

You absolutely could drop the field a few feet. Plus the seat are already elevated, especially behind the goals.

It's not about elevation. It's about sightlines. Look at the blue wall just above the bottom edge of that pic. Then imagine how much of the pitch would be obscured if the pitch was 10 feet lower.

Even without lowering the ground of a few feet, it is planned to create some new rows of seats by eliminating the fences between the sidelines and the stands.

Look how back the seats are behind the goals.

You absolutely could drop the field a few feet. Plus the seat are already elevated, especially behind the goals. Why not extend the stands closer.

You can clearly see from the photo above your post that if the pitch was lowered, fans alongside the pitch would not see the sidelines well and that would be a big problem. So lowering the pitch seems pointless while extending stands close to field level sounds like a plan and is what I understand will be done.

Where is everyone getting the official word that seats will be extend towards the field? I haven't seen that.

2ndly for those of you who think the pitch can't be lowered, look at this picture. The field is 25-30 feet maybe more back from the stands. You can center the field lower it a bit and extend the seating closer. http://farm1.staticflickr.com/183/478401347_d0e01225e3_b.jpg

2ndly for those of you who think the pitch can't be lowered, look at this picture. The field is 25-30 feet maybe more back from the stands. [/IMG]

again, it doesn't matter how much room there is. It's about sightlines. The sightline of the stadium will have been designed for a pitch at its current height. Lower it and those in the 2nd and third tiers will not be able to see the near touchline. For those behind the goal, it could mean not even being able to see all of the near goal.

That pic looks to be from one of the corner towers, not from a seat.

Take this view...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qd7lVbNkIbA/Tcs85yCpB0I/AAAAAAAABCA/QLTgT9S3YdY/s1600/SANSIRO.jpg

10 feet lower would make the top of the crossbar two feet lower than the current goal line.

The goal line would disappear beneath the bottom edge of the second tier.


Is this concept really that hard to understand?

Some snow on the pitch on tonight´s [great] match.

Let me move on from lowering the pitch for a moment.

The tow main issues at the San Siro are:

1. Lack of luxury boxes.
2. Fans distant from the field

In my opinion you can fix both of this issues by basically completely rebuilding the far stand. Move the seats closer to the field. Then add a deck, put 5-8 rows of club seating, along with a club. Above that stack 3-4 level of lux suites. This would decrease the capacity some, since your basically removing the seating on the second deck for that stand. But your replacing it with seat and boxes that could double or triple match day revenue.

In my opinion it's adding a new twist to the historic venue.

i laugh when Leonardo the director of Paris saint germain said that the parc des princes is old, unadapted etc... :blahblah:

He used to go to san siro which except to be bigger than parc des princes stadium but it looks like an outdated place.

No comparison possible with old trafford,emirates or allianz for vip spaces

About the snow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tImc5EKeM4Q

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I know that there are some suites, even if their number is not enough for a modern stadium.

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The pitch looked dreadful. Moratti still seeking a new stadium for Inter, or has that idea been put to rest now?

what is this small tv sticked under the tribune ? :lol:

this stadium needs an update

what is this small tv sticked under the tribune ? :lol:

this stadium needs an update

Yes, definitely! I love San Siro, but it looks worse with every year. And the Pitch was a shame for a CL.

AC and Inter should do something. I was shocked, that the stadium wasn't even sold out in a such important CL-game last night against a top team from England.

Maybe the economic crisis in italy let the people think about twice watching the game in a pub for a couple of Euros or in the stadium...

Apparently the press facilities are attrocious also, a few of the journalists I follow mentioned that there are no proper internet facilities in the stadium to file reports etc, so they are reliant on mobile internet to get their reports through

It was shameful not to see the San Siro sold out - All the more reason a drastic overhaul is needed.

As I've said before tear down the second deck on the far side, and add a club level, top by many levels of Luxury boxes, even move the press area over there.

2. Restructure the lower seating bowl to move fans closer to the field.

These changes can be done in a economically matter, and completed in stages. It's a no brainier.

a) Arguably the worst display from a Wenger coached side in Europe. Absolutely pathetic, so I'm compelled to apologize to the viewing public. Apparently they were playing down to the level of...

b) ...that atrocious pitch. I'm amazed more players aren't hurt on that thing, or that the local players don't gripe. At least three passes went awry due to divots on the ground, and the footing was clearly awful. Why UEFA doesn't care about field conditions as much as they due about post-game interview behavior, is beyond me.

1) The San Siro's pitch is truly awful.

2) The stadium needs a major refurb sooner rather than later.

3) Arsenal need to finally get rid of Wenger.

a) Arguably the worst display from a Wenger coached side in Europe. Absolutely pathetic, so I'm compelled to apologize to the viewing public. Apparently they were playing down to the level of...

b) ...that atrocious pitch. I'm amazed more players aren't hurt on that thing, or that the local players don't gripe. At least three passes went awry due to divots on the ground, and the footing was clearly awful. Why UEFA doesn't care about field conditions as much as they due about post-game interview behavior, is beyond me.

Fully agree Gunnerjacket - the worst performance I can remember in Europe in the 25 odd years I've followed them.
Make no mistake about the pitch though, it was no coincidence that the centre was relaid to begin with and the wings were left in the state they were in given Milan's relatively narrow style of play against Arsenal's (supposedly) pace on the wings. The groundsman must now be cursing the fact he could've had the rest of the week off had he finished the entire pitch pre-last night given the shambolic performance we put in!

How does AC Milan not sellout a big tie against a major European club?

Did many Arsenal fans make the trip down to Italy for the match? I remember last season Tottenham had over 6,000 make the trip.

3) Arsenal need to finally get rid of Wenger.It's less about him as a manager and more about the board that is being short-term minded about the profit margin. So long as the club is modeled this way there will not be enough players on the roster to warrant a trophy challenging club. Rosicky, Arshavin etc. are good players but no longer of the calibre to win the Premiership.

I'll stop there to limit the threadjack.

How does AC Milan not sellout a big tie against a major European club?Why does this still surprise people? The continent is littered with clubs who rarely sell out. Even I (which is saying something) will cut Milan some slack here given the size of the San Siro.

Did many Arsenal fans make the trip down to Italy for the match? I remember last season Tottenham had over 6,000 make the trip.Don't know. I heard guesstimates of about 5k.

How does AC Milan not sellout a big tie against a major European club?

Did many Arsenal fans make the trip down to Italy for the match? I remember last season Tottenham had over 6,000 make the trip.

That ain't bad if you catch a game while travelling around without needing to buy it second hand for twice the price :lol:.

I would like to see it renovated. San Siro is such an iconic stadium.
Could it be possible to build one of the long sides new with more suits, business seats to provide more income for the clubs etc and just renovate the rest?
Both Inter and AC Milan has income of about $300 million each year but not as much matchday income as some of the other clubs in CL. They should have the money to be able to renovate it somehow if they could take over the stadium from public ownership.

It would be nice if the San Siro was renovated rather than completely rebuilt as it is still a good looking facility outside.
But if it was renovated the capacity would probably fall unless they can build the final part of the ground as the seats are very close together and in new stadiums space for fans seems to valued higher than it was when the San Siro was last renovated. But that may not matter if games don't usually sell out.

The ramps are a really good way to get to the top, if there were stairs there would be too many to be sensible and the space for an escalator would be huge.

The facilities for away fans are very basic, I managed to find the one block with 4 male toilets for 5,200 fans. :nuts: I found the most expensive crisps ever 4 Euros for 50g, someone must have been making a huge profit. :evil:

I think Arsenal were only given 5,210 tickets which seemed to be all sold. There may have also been Arsenal fans in the other sections as I am sure I saw some around the ground.

with economic restrictions measures it will be difficult to see a renovation within 3 years

It would be nice if the San Siro was renovated rather than completely rebuilt as it is still a good looking facility outside.

I don't think anybody ever planed to demolish Giuseppe Meazza, maybe Inter wanted a new stadium only for them...that's something else.
This is still the best stadium in Italy considering capacity, as Juventus Arena is half it's size.
I dunno about the chips and soft drink prices...but they're usually very overpriced on every arena you go :tongue3:.

This cathedral of a stadium is one of the most fantastic and spectacularin Europe, hell, the world. Been there twice and its just perfect for watching football. Although it could do without the nett thats hanging infront of the away fans when AC Milan is playing.

In other news, i heard that a decision has been made to switch to a plastic pitch from the 2013/14 season has been made. Any truth in this?

Wow. Impressive.

I never been in Milan. Maybe for the 2015 Expo !

" MILAN - Stadio Giuseppe Meazza / San Siro (80,018) "but Should it "MILANO" ?

English is Milan

Maybe he thinks it is a bit confusing beacause of Milan A.C.?

Then, if thread title is in English, should be Giuseppe Meazza stadium

Anyway I don't mind

Milan in English, Milano in Italian.
AC Milan because of it's English origins, founded by Englishman from Nottingham.

It looks amazing from the outside certainly, like a huge spaceship. Would love to see a gig there, I watched Luciano Ligabue on video. The atmosphere was incredible. But I suppose Inter v Milan would take some beating. :)

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Yesterday it was my first time in San Siro. Into the Juventus supporters stand, of course ;)

last row?

Yes, I was very high...from the third tier you can watch a part of the city of Milan...

looks higher than at Camp Nou or Bernabeu (both 48m)

It looks amazing from the outside certainly, like a huge spaceship. Would love to see a gig there, I watched Luciano Ligabue on video. The atmosphere was incredible. But I suppose Inter v Milan would take some beating. :)

I was there for all games 2010/11 season-and in my opinion derby game was amazing but it was bettered by one match that season! By of course Champions league semi final against Barcelona unbelievable atmosphere-then again what home crowd atmosphere would not be electric if you thumped barcelona!

This cathedral of a stadium is one of the most fantastic and spectacularin Europe, hell, the world. Been there twice and its just perfect for watching football. Although it could do without the nett thats hanging infront of the away fans when AC Milan is playing.

In other news, i heard that a decision has been made to switch to a plastic pitch from the 2013/14 season has been made. Any truth in this?

No.

No.

How apt that your username fits the answer to that question!

How apt that your username fits the answer to that question!

Yes apt on purpose!:) most forumers on here know i worked in stadium industry all ovcer world for more than 25 years with pitches and stadium management/design.

No.

I actually found an article where the headline stated that they were gonna switch to a plastic pitch, but when i read the whole article, it said that thw two Milan clubs had come to an agreement to make the switch to a pitch that was synthetic underneeth with real grass on top, never heard of that before, but my initial thought was desso? grassmaster... Personally i think media and others like to speculate and make sensational headlines, as usuall, when it comes to the surface, as that`s a topic thats still beeing debated as much as ever before.

I actually found an article where the headline stated that they were gonna switch to a plastic pitch, but when i read the whole article, it said that thw two Milan clubs had come to an agreement to make the switch to a pitch that was synthetic underneeth with real grass on top, never heard of that before, but my initial thought was desso? grassmaster... Personally i think media and others like to speculate and make sensational headlines, as usuall, when it comes to the surface, as that`s a topic thats still beeing debated as much as ever before.

In fact you are 100% correct-the media just publish anything without checking facts or doing any research. Or they only print a headline which is in fact not the true story but like you say is sensational in short they are all scum not worthy of the title journalist. There are of course some good honest journalists but they are rare.

The pitch will indeed be a natural pitch grown into a syntheitc weave if you like. In fact San Siro had an almost identical system for nearly 10 years which was called by its trade name Sportgrass, the last of which was removed during my time there. Since then they have used 100% natural turf but will now revert to this new improved version of what was basically there before. Will it work you ask-well the short answer is no unless they change other things also but just on its own it will not address problems.

In fact you are 100% correct-the media just publish anything without checking facts or doing any research. Or they only print a headline which is in fact not the true story but like you say is sensational in short they are all scum not worthy of the title journalist. There are of course some good honest journalists but they are rare.

The pitch will indeed be a natural pitch grown into a syntheitc weave if you like. In fact San Siro had an almost identical system for nearly 10 years which was called by its trade name Sportgrass, the last of which was removed during my time there. Since then they have used 100% natural turf but will now revert to this new improved version of what was basically there before. Will it work you ask-well the short answer is no unless they change other things also but just on its own it will not address problems.

Isnt the lack of sunlight the issue? And if so, why dont they get some light rigs? From what i`ve seen and read, they are very effective. Has to be cheaper than replacing the pitch several times a year...?

Isnt the lack of sunlight the issue? And if so, why dont they get some light rigs? From what i`ve seen and read, they are very effective. Has to be cheaper than replacing the pitch several times a year...?

The San Siro is an incredibly political environment with many lets say 'cheifs'. Imagine trying to make a decision when both parties have exactly 50% power/vote yet both want different things. The pitch has even been re-turfed when it was in excellent condition just because one team wanted it so!
Further to this and due to the fact both teams are succesful and with the champions league, coppa italia and academy teams there is a game during the playing season on average every 2.4 days! Add to this the money involved...its the clubs who are responsible to pay for re-turfs and each club employs a consultant to assist them make that decision. Each club runs at least a 150 million loss per annum which is paid for by the owners respectively. Two re-turfs each lets say per season at 400k is nothing to these people and money saving is not an issue when it comes to team requirements in order for them to win football games. As an example of this the pitch for the semi final against barcelona was lets say prepared in a different way to assist inter who duly won 3-1. A few days later it was ordered replaced with only 2 weeks of the season left to play. Furthermore the stadium is block booked for concert type events as soon as the football season finishes for a period of around six weeks. Thus the turf is always written off regardless at the end of each season, no system even artificial can come out unscathed from that kind of abuse tonnes of steel in different locations and movement etc. So you say why no lights why not this why not that to improve..well like i said its political.

I posted this video earlier in the thread but before the renovation and addition of the 3rd tier, the seats at the San Siro were down to pitch level.

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Actually they were not seats, because in that part of the stadium, that was called parterre, people could only stand. It would be impossible these days, because laws are changed.

The San Siro looks set to get the Champions league Final 2016, therefore its almost certain they'll have to some type of overhaul, and the addition of more amenities.

I again suggest completely rebuilding the far side, put in 100+ Skyboxes, Club Seats, Clubs, and even more the press over there.

Then make improvements on a smaller scale to the other three stands. And probably some major upgrade in the concourses and exterior.

If done right this would keep the most of the historic structure but add a modern needed element. It also can be done relatively cheap all things consider.
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Something like La Bombonera just bigger.
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I have just heard some rumors that the stadium could host the UEFA Champions' League Final in 2016. Is it true?

needs refurbishment to host champions league final
I wonder how it coul still be considered as an elite stadium when you know journalists complain all the time of disastrous conditions of working

I have just heard some rumors that the stadium could host the UEFA Champions' League Final in 2016. Is it true?
No official decision yet.

needs refurbishment to host champions league final
I wonder how it coul still be considered as an elite stadium when you know journalists complain all the time of disastrous conditions of working
Is is just undergoing one, was mentioned before. And one of the reasons is to become eligible for Champions League final again.

Hopefully it gets back to the needed standards. Adding more stadiums into the rotation is a good thing to bring the final to more countries and cities.

in "La gazzetta dello sports" barbara said that milan will have a new stadium

^^ I didn't know you can read Italian... (or (??)...maybe thanks to your TV/canal+ (whatever its name in Italia).... :hug:)

no no! there's a website for this newspaper :)
I learn a little italian when i went in sicilia 3 years ago

in "La gazzetta dello sports" barbara said that milan will have a new stadium

what Milan do you mean Inter or AC moving?

i know there has been rumours of Inter moving to a 60,000 seater stadium but didnt know if maybe AC were thinking about leaving too?

Actually they were not seats, because in that part of the stadium, that was called parterre, people could only stand. It would be impossible these days, because laws are changed.

Thanks for the clarification. Too bad that changed. That simple change made the stadium seem much more intimate.

what Milan do you mean Inter or AC moving?

i know there has been rumours of Inter moving to a 60,000 seater stadium but didnt know if maybe AC were thinking about leaving too?

In Italy, Milan is only AC Milan, end of the story :)

what Milan do you mean Inter or AC moving?




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music concert under the rain in san siro stadium:

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how are the vip suites & lodges at san siro?

Last game, I noticed that some sections where closed and there where some white structures on those sections. Are they some kind of supportive structures or what is it?

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Last game, I noticed that some sections where closed and there where some white structures on those sections. Are they some kind of supportive structures or what is it?
Renovation works underneath the second tier. ;)

Renovation works underneath the second tier. ;)
Ok, thank's for the info.

The San Siro is an incredibly political environment with many lets say 'cheifs'. Imagine trying to make a decision when both parties have exactly 50% power/vote yet both want different things. The pitch has even been re-turfed when it was in excellent condition just because one team wanted it so!
Further to this and due to the fact both teams are succesful and with the champions league, coppa italia and academy teams there is a game during the playing season on average every 2.4 days! Add to this the money involved...its the clubs who are responsible to pay for re-turfs and each club employs a consultant to assist them make that decision. Each club runs at least a 150 million loss per annum which is paid for by the owners respectively. Two re-turfs each lets say per season at 400k is nothing to these people and money saving is not an issue when it comes to team requirements in order for them to win football games. As an example of this the pitch for the semi final against barcelona was lets say prepared in a different way to assist inter who duly won 3-1. A few days later it was ordered replaced with only 2 weeks of the season left to play. Furthermore the stadium is block booked for concert type events as soon as the football season finishes for a period of around six weeks. Thus the turf is always written off regardless at the end of each season, no system even artificial can come out unscathed from that kind of abuse tonnes of steel in different locations and movement etc. So you say why no lights why not this why not that to improve..well like i said its political.

Ok...the cost of a pitch now is 80.000 euro this year we had 5 (they don't always change pitch when is bad they can lose a game and blame the pitch)...the teams want the best and they want to spend even less(impossible)...this summer they will do something to the pitch...artificial, lights or both......will see....you are right about the political situations ....the artificial pitch will be over-seeded with natural but it will live in 3 cm because is concrete under the synthetic....it will not survive and much of the time they will play on a normal plastic pitch with some grass on the sides ....to bad ..
CREAM MAN hi matt

Ok...the cost of a pitch now is 80.000 euro this year we had 5 (they don't always change pitch when is bad they can lose a game and blame the pitch)...the teams want the best and they want to spend even less(impossible)...this summer they will do something to the pitch...artificial, lights or both......will see....you are right about the political situations ....the artificial pitch will be over-seeded with natural but it will live in 3 cm because is concrete under the synthetic....it will not survive and much of the time they will play on a normal plastic pitch with some grass on the sides ....to bad ..
CREAM MAN hi matt

I might be slow, but i dont get it. Whats the point of installing the new system (the plastic with natural grass on top) if it wont last more than a couple of games? Even though there is a lot of politics involved here, they cant be that thick, that is thick enough to waste money on something that is gonna go tits-up almost imediatley. And imagine Zlatan, Gatusso, Robinio etc running around on a plastic pitch every other week, i`d like to see them accept that...

the mix /plastic/natural is excellent!

in france Nantes in Ligue 1 used it several years ago and it was one of better field.

the mix /plastic/natural is excellent!

in france Nantes in Ligue 1 used it several years ago and it was one of better field.

So are they using it on the Lille Stadium?

What is the height of the last row of seats?

I might be slow, but i dont get it. Whats the point of installing the new system (the plastic with natural grass on top) if it wont last more than a couple of games? Even though there is a lot of politics involved here, they cant be that thick, that is thick enough to waste money on something that is gonna go tits-up almost imediatley. And imagine Zlatan, Gatusso, Robinio etc running around on a plastic pitch every other week, i`d like to see them accept that...

I am assuming you never worked for a football club before? What is there to get? Over 95% of professional football clubs worldwide run at a loss that is a fact, is that not 'thick' so why would the pitch element be so clever? When you spent over 25 years working in the stadium environment for pro football teams you would come to realise that logic does not apply, wasting money does not apply. Power, 'face', desire, apply.

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