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AC Milan

18x Champion:
1901, 1906, 1907, 1951, 1955,
1957, 1959, 1962, 1968, 1979,
1988, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996,
1999, 2004, 2011

5x Cup Winner:
1967, 1972, 1973, 1977, 2003

6x Supercup (record):
1988, 1992, 1993, 1994, 2004,
2011

7x UEFA Champions League:
1963, 1969, 1989, 1990, 1994,
2003, 2007

2x UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
1968, 1973

5x UEFA Super Cup (record):
1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007

4x FIFA Club World Cup (record):
1969, 1989, 1990, 2007




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FC Internazionale Milano

18x Champion:
1910, 1920, 1930, 1938, 1940,
1953, 1954, 1963, 1965, 1966,
1971, 1980, 1989, 2006, 2007,
2008, 2009, 2010

7x Cup Winner:
1934, 1978, 1982, 2005, 2006,
2010, 2011

5x Supercup:
1989, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010

3x UEFA Champions League:
1964, 1965, 2010

3x UEFA Europa League (record):
1991, 1994, 1998

3x FIFA Club World Cup:
1964, 1965, 2010






Official Name: Stadio Giuseppe Meazza.
(Giuseppe Meazza, was born in Milano at the beginning of the 1900, he was the first Italian Star of the football. He played with Inter F.C. for more than 16 years, won 3 National Championship and 2 World Cups with the Italian Team; 4 times topscorer of Italian Serie A)

Old Name: San Siro (San Siro is an Eastern neighborhood of Milano)

Inauguration: 19 September 1926 (35.000 people), projectist: Ulisse Stacchini
First match: AC Milan-Internazionale Milano f.c. 3-6

Renovations:
1939 (55.000)
1955 (90.000)
1962 (85.000)
1986 (76.400)
1990 (85.700 all-seats)
2002 (82.955)
2009 (80.074)

project 1990 by Ragazzi e Hoffner e Salvi:
11 concrete towers of 50 meters high.
Top roof at 60 meters
Capacity 2003:
85,700 all-seats
Sky Box: 20 for 200 seats.
400 all-seat for journalists.

Pitch dimensions: 105*68m
Inside theres the Milano Football Museum.
The stadium dimensions are: m 275x190

Most Famous Matches:
8 June 1990 Cameroon - Argentina 1-0 (World Cup Inauguraton match)
3 June 1934 Italia - Austria 1-0 (SF World Cup)
27 May 1965 Inter Milano - Benfica Lisbon 1-0 (Champions Cup Final)
6 May 1970 Feyenoord Rotterdam - Celtic Galsgow 2-1 (Champions Cup Final)
23 May 2001 Bayern Munich - Valencia 5-4 (pen) (Champions Cup Final)
19 April 1989 A.C.Milan - Real Madrid 5-0 (SF Champions Cup)
6 Nov 1949 Internazionale Milano - A.C.Milan 6-5

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Dare I say it already looks like it needs another refit.
Looks great from the outside and the roof is fantastic, but the seating looks 50 years old.

that's cuz it is:P

aahh.. what a great stadium with great clubs.. especially AC Milan..
I would love to go there one day..
FORZA MILAN

Bruce Springsteen 1985

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Bruce Springsteen 2003

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Bob Marley Live in Milano, San Siro, June 27, 1980
"...The Wailers embarked on a major European tour, breaking festival records throughout the continent. The schedule included a 100,000-capacity crowd in Milan, the biggest show in the band's history..."

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aerial view. San Siro on the down left. in the middle the Trotte Hyppodrome, up the New Hyppodrome.

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Renovations:
1939 (55.000)
1947 (150.000)
1955 (reduced to 115.000 for public order troubles)
1990 (87.500 all-seats)

project 1990 by Ragazzi e Hoffner e Salvi:
11 concrete towers of 50 meters high.
Top roof at 60 meters
Capacity 2003:
85,700 all-seats
Sky Box: 20 for 200 seats.
400 all-seat for journalists.



Someone in another thread suggested that the stadium was to be expanded further. Can you tell us anything about this Gruber?

i never red anything about it.
also 'cause is very hard to do it.
San Siro was built near the Hyppodrome Stadium in the 30's and and today, after the expansion of the 1989 from the eastern side of the Stadium and the Hyppodrome there are only 12,13 meters!
for this reason the third ring of the stadium was built only in the north, west and south sides.
another problem is the roof that is impossible to remove cause is linked with the towers of the third ring.

one months ago Milano became one of the candidate for the Olympic Games of the the 2016. and somene wrote something about an Olympic Stadium.
San Siro is a only-football Stadium. no Atlethic field.
there are other 2 Stadiums in Milano with an atlethic field but are both small.
the Brianteo (20.000) and the Arena Civica (18.000).
here you can see the San Siro and the Hyppodrome. too much close!

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quite beautiful in a beastly manner :D i love!

This is a beauty...I love it...saw the UEFA Cup final there back in 1997, will never forget the atmosphere...

Isn't it true that no part of the stadium has ever been knocked down and replaced, it's just been continually added to?

the first stadium was partialy demolished in the end of 30's to expand it.
then, nothing was demolished. only added.
the second level in the end of the 40's; the third level and the roff in the 80's
the last renovation was did 2 years ago when Milan and Inter (they rented the stadium from Milano Municipality) build the Skyboxes that are rented for the entire championship for 1.100.000 Euros.
now there's a project to build a "fourth level", but...outside the stadium.
will be a ring of shops, restaurants, bars and pubs, football museum that will be built around the stadium.
ciao

I think seeing the San Siro on TV for the first time in 1990 is what actually sparked my interest in stadia around the world, so it's always going to be special to me...

great stadium..........i 'd like to see this stadium increasing its spectator capacity

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It's a place I want to go to, I'd love to see Milan play Liverpool, 2 European greats, 2 of the best sets of fans who seem to have mutual respect and dislike teams in blue!

ehm...i like Liverpool, is my favourite English team...but I am an Inter fan...ehm....

All are welcome Gruber! I know a lot of Liverpool based Inter fans (Italians).

The San Siro is truely one of footballs cathedrals and I'd go there for any event if I get the chance but I'd like to see Liverpool and Milan although Inter would do just fine!

i hope that will be for a match in next April...as a SF of Champions League: Inter-Liverpool!

....but Inter is a wanker team....with ad Idiot as owner.
11 trainers in 11 years.
more than 700 millions Euros spent for players in 11 years.
he sold Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Crespo, Peruzzi...
he didn't sold the old fat Vieri.

...in 11 years we won only the Loosers Cup (Uefa) and we arrived more time 2° in the championship and we lost an incredible numers of SF and F in all the cups, Italians and Europeans.

and Milan won...ALL!

HARD TIMES!

I liked Inter's team during the late 80's. I thought they were a decent outfit.

Prefer the one we knocked out in CL 99, though. :D

Forza United!

also me...i prefer the 88-89-90 team.

Zenga
Bergomi
Ferri
Mandorlini
Brehme
Matteoli
Berti
Diaz
Bianchi
Matthaus
Serena (Klinsmann)

...i don't rember the Man Utd - Inter...match....i don't rember....why???

but our nightmare is Real Madrid.
i saw at San Siro 4 SF lost in 6 years when i was young!!!

Champions' Cup 1980-81
Semi-Finals
Real Madrid Esp Internazionale Ita 2-0 0-1

European Cup Winners' Cup 1982-83
Semi-Finals
Internazionale Ita Real Madrid Esp 1-1 1-2

UEFA Cup 1984-85
Semi-Finals
Internazionale Ita Real Madrid Esp 2-0 0-3

UEFA Cup 1985-86
Semi-Finals
Internazionale Ita Real Madrid Esp 3-1 1-5aet

AC had three Dutch, you had three Germans. A derby within a derby.

Must say the AC Milan team of the late 80's were awesome. Perhaps the best team I've seen...... I can recall them playing United off the park in a friendly fixture at Old Trafford. They were simply on a different level.

Another great side I've seen play is the Juve side from 1984. They had Boniek, Platini, Zoff, Rossi and half of the Italian national side. They were a very powerful unit...... altho' they only just beat us in the CWC semi that year. I think it was a goal in the 90th by Rossi, in Turin which knocked us out. In the previous round, we beat Maradona's Barcelona. My childhood hero Bryan Robson, gave a virtouso display, to help is recover from 2-0 defeat in the first leg, to pull through with a 3-2 agg win. The only other performance I can compare with it, is Keane's against Juverntus in 99.

yes, the Inter-Milan matches were very strong in that years.
normally Inter won the most part of the derbies, and Milan....won the Championship and the C1.....

i saw all that teams play, and the strongest, in my opinion was the Milan of Sacchi, with the greatest number of stars that i saw in my life!
stars that composed a Team. not as the Real Madrid of this days!
Donadoni, Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Ancelotti, Maldini, Baresi...
i don't like Milan...but they played in heaven!
also the Juve of Platini, Rossi, Boniek was very strong...but was not so beautiful to watch.
other great teams that i saw are the UTD with Cantona, the Great Liverpool in the beginnings of the 80's with Keegan and then the great Dalglish, Neal, Kennedy, Souness; the Maradona's Napoli (ok, i know that he's don't loved in England...and also in all Italy except Napoli...and i hate him as Man...but he was the Perfect Player! i saw him play in Italy for many years....and every sunday he made a gift! i saw Pelè only at the end of his career at NY Cosmos...i saw Crujiff play in the end of the 70's...great!...i never saw Di Stefano or Garrincha....but for me, the greatest of the last 30 years is Maradona!).

other great team were the Barcelona of Romario, Stoitchkov and Laudrup, the Bayern with Beckenbauer, Muller, Breitner, Hoeness!

and also the Milan of Capello in the mid 90's was a great team. sometimes a little bit boring, but they won all and in that years...more or less all the Golden Ball played in the Milan:
Van Basten, Gullit, Papin, Weah...+ Savicevic, Boban, Desailly (the young one!!!) Simone, Lentini (the strongest italian of that years. but he was an idiot an he crashed on the highway....and today he play in the 3° league) + the old Baresi, Maldini, Donadoni....


....and Inter...suks! shit!!

ps
the Juve of that years have more than half of the Worl Champions National Team!
they have:
Zoff
Cabrini
Gentile
Tardelli
Scirea
Causio
Rossi

7 players + Platini + Boniek!!!

Capello's team was indeed very good....but I agree Saachi's was better.

Also Ajax from the mid 90's. Now they were a great team. Played awesome stuff. I saw them wipe the floor with Real in Madrid, breathtaking they were to watch. And Ajax of the early 70's......but I wasn't old enough then. ;)

Btw. Our best ever side is the Busby Babes. The ones that died in the 58 plane crash in Munich. Sadly, we never saw their true potential. But most belive they would've conquered Europe, like Real did. Duncan Edwards, is our greatest ever player(infront of Best), he was one of those who died in Munich.

As for Napoli. I liked them. Not a great 'team' but they had the greatest ever player to play the game..... Maradona. He would've made any mediocre team, champions. That's how great he was. He played at Old Trafford the round before Juventus semi. Sadly, I didn't go. But atleast I got to watch the great Juve team.


And yes, Liverpool did have a great side in late 70's early 80's(it pains me to say ;) ) They were the bench mark in England for so long.

Not anymore though. ;)

yes, i know the Man utd story!
i red more times about Duncan Edwards, he was a great player!

also in Italy a great team with great players died in the 1949 plane crash!
it was the GRANDE TORINO (the Great Turin).
the plane crashed on the Hill of Superga, the hill on the east side of the city of Turin.
the Torino won the Italian Championship in the 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949.
and in the 1944 & 1945 the League was stopped by the war!
the captain and the strongest player of that team was VALENTINO MAZZOLA, a man of Milano, that before played in the Venice Team, and in the 1943 was transferd to Torino.
the old men, the old sport journalists talk about him as the Strongest Italian Player of every time, better than Meazza (he was the leader of Italian team 2 time World Champion and of the Inter f.c. for 15 years). a lot of people compare Mazzola V. to Di Stefano: both midfielder that play in all the field. and both scored hundreds of goals!
he was topscorer of the League in the 1947 and score 108 goals in 216 matches! as miedfielder!!!
he won 5 Championship and 1 Italian cup with Torino and 1 Italian Cuo with Venezia.
in that time didn't existed the European cup, there were only the Tournè. the teams went around Europe and South America to play against the strongest team of each country.
and Torino won the 90% of that matches.
in the spring 1949 the Torino was invicted to play in Lisbon to the celebration matche of the Captain of the Benfica Lisbon.
they went, they won, they never came back!

at that tima Valentino Mazzola was tha father of two young children.
both will play in the Italian Serie A, and one will be very famous: Sandro Mazzola, the leader of Inter F.C. from 1960 to 1975 that with the Great Inter won 4 Championships, 2 European Cups, 2 Intercontinental Cups!
Sandro Mazzola was under "control" of the newspapers for all his young life. all Italy thinked that he will be great as his father.
but when he was only 16 and play his first match in Serie A with Inter (and scored a Goal in the match most important in the Serie A: Inter-Juve!) there was too much pression on him.
He changed sport! he played Basketball!!!
and he was a so good sport man...that he played some matches with the Olimpia Milano, one of the strongest team of Europe in Basketball that was Italian and European Champions in that years!!!
fortunally some months later he changed again and came back to play football with Inter!

about Napoli...i'm not sure that was not a good team.
when they won the first "scudetto" in the 87 in the team played:
Maradona (...), Careca (very, very strong!), Alemao (similar to Roy Keane), Bagni (another one Keane!!!), Bruno Giordano (an Italian player, goalscorer not so bad), and they have a difensive line not famous..or glamour...but very strong.

ciao.

aerial view of the Stadium and the Hippodrome

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live at San Siro

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Forza Juventus!!!

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San Siro in the 1926:
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San siro in the 50's
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today
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Rolling Stones live at S.Siro
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Gruber io non vedo le ultime foto!

caz*§@&%....me le hanno segate tutte.....sono quei siti maledetti che non permettono di usare le foto....

San siro is the best stadium in Italy

Many Cup Finals were played at San Siro Stadium:

Champions Cup/Champions League:
1965 Inter-Benfica 1-0
1970 Feyenoord-Celtic 2-1 aet
2001 Bayern-Valencia 1-1 aet (5-4 p.)


Uefa Cup
1991 Inter-Roma 2-0
1994 Inter-Salzburg 1-0
1995 Juventus-Parma 1-1
1997 Inter-Schalke04 1-0 aet (1-4 p.)


Central Europe Cup
1933 Inter-Austria Vienna 2-1

(The first major international cup for club teams, an idea of the Austrian Hugo Meisl. The decision to organise an international club competition was taken on July 16 and 17, 1927 in Venice, Italy, and the first matches were played on August 14 of the same year.
In the first two seasons, two teams each from Hungary, Austria, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia entered; in 1929 the Yugoslav sides were replaced by Italian ones. After an initial discussion to reorganise the competition into a league (an idea eventually rejected due to scheduling problems), participation was extended in 1934 to four entrants of each of the four countries; in 1936 four teams from Switzerland were admitted (all eliminated in a preliminary round), and in 1937 clubs from Romania, Switzerland and Yugoslavia entered the competition, with no country having more than 3 entrants; after the Anschluß of Austria to Germany in 1938, no clubs from there entered and the other three major countries entered four teams again. The last edition, in 1939, only had 8 teams again (two of the big three and one each from Romania and Yugoslavia). An edition in 1940 was started but abandoned due to World War II.
Austria, Italy, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia were undoubtedly the strongest countries in continental Europe in the late twenties and thirties, and the first to introduce professional football on the continent (Austria 1924, Czechoslovakia 1925, Hungary 1926). The Cup therefore carried a prestige only comparable with the Champions' Cup of later decades.)



Latin Cup
1951 Milan-Lille 5-1
1956 Milan-Atlethic Bilbao 3-1

(After the Central Europe Cup, the second important cup for club teams in Europe. It was played from 1949 to 1957 between the champions of France, Italy, Portugal, and Spain. After every four competitions, a country ranking was made based on the club performances in those years. After the introduction of the European Cups, it disappeared.)


European Super Cup

1973 Milan-Ajax 1-0
1989 Milan-Barcelona 1-0
1990 Milan-Sampdoria Genova 2-0
1993 Milan-Parma 0-2
1994 Milan-Arsenal 2-0

San Siro is without a doubt the Capital of Football....;)

The San Siro is a magnificent stadium! IMO, one of the best in Europe :okay:
I saw the Milan derby on Eurosport last weekend, and what an atmosphere!
80,000 fans created a great noise - shame about the result though, Inter should have won :D

Why is it always so foggy in the arena in the evenings?

isn't fog!
are overexposed photos or supporters gaz bombs.

supporters gaz bombs.
naughty :nono:
:D

Hehe........ yeh, but in the evening at nearly every match at the San Siro....there always seems to be smoke.....

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Most Famous Matches:
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6 Nov 1949 Internazionale Milano - A.C.Milan 6-5



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Forza Juventus!!!

aaaaaaargh, un gobbo! ....they are everywhere!

This stadium is nice and colossal.

some details of S.Siro


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Milan AC museum (catenaccio!, the defenders are our heroes :D)
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Inter FC interviews zone (with a tourist)
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Inzaghi kids
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every damned sunday
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So the San Siro turns into a war zone every game. Thats mad

football is WAR!:)

So the San Siro turns into a war zone every game. Thats mad

every damned sunday..... there's the mobilization of the police, with small encounters and provocations(like in UK).The war there's in the "hot matches" like: Milan or Inter -Roma, Milan or Inter - Lazio, Milan - Brescia, Inter- Atalanta and some times Milan- Juve.

football is WAR!:)

;) or better, it's a healthy war

(forza PSV !!!!)

That never happens at Old Trafford. I go quite alot and come out next to where the away fans come out. If we play liverpool is normally kicks off, i got caught up in it last year.

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What's bad about the Giuseppe Meazza stadio is the stairs...how many until you get to your seat :eek2: forza inter

football is WAR!:)

LOL, I'VE GOT A FRIEND FROM FC TWENTE WHO SAYS THE SAME THING... :)

mmh..2001 it host the CL Final, but now..it is no mre a 5 star stadium
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look at the roof, look at the style, look at the funcionallity, look at the size of it! one of the most amazing and historic stadiums in europe and the world it`S this one: san siro!!

san siro forever!!!!!

yes, i know the Man utd story!
i red more times about Duncan Edwards, he was a great player!

also in Italy a great team with great players died in the 1949 plane crash!
it was the GRANDE TORINO (the Great Turin).
the plane crashed on the Hill of Superga, the hill on the east side of the city of Turin.
the Torino won the Italian Championship in the 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949.
and in the 1944 & 1945 the League was stopped by the war!
the captain and the strongest player of that team was VALENTINO MAZZOLA, a man of Milano, that before played in the Venice Team, and in the 1943 was transferd to Torino.
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Yes, I'm aware of the 1949 plane crash. Very sad. They must have been a great side.....I think the record proves that. How long did take for Torino to recover?

PS United Vs Milan.

Hope Ruud's fit!

It was because of that lovely man Van Basten which got me into football. Watching him and Papin was a joy to me. Shame I'll never get to see Man City playing away at the San Siro against one of the big two because it's dearly a ground I'd love to experience fully.

hey, i just discovered this thread!
s.siro is definetly the best stadium in italy, and one of the best in europe! being not an olimpic stadium makes it incredibli more functional for football matches.
i'm there every sunday supporting ac milan, and i can assure you that those kind of wars are now really rare!
if the two clubs will finally buy the stadium its capacity will problably be increased, trying to overcome the problems gruber told you about..
it makes me happy reading your comments on the milan of sacchi and capello! great teams!
but even the actual milan can be added to the list of the best milan teams ever!
and the day after tomorrow i'll be there to admire the golden ball sheva will present us!!!

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FORZA INTER :D :D :D

San siro just needs a renovation.When it gets that it ll be the most amazing stadium in the world.....what new wembley or allianz arena....San Siro!!!!

Yes, I'm aware of the 1949 plane crash. Very sad. They must have been a great side.....I think the record proves that. How long did take for Torino to recover?

PS United Vs Milan.

Hope Ruud's fit!

more than 30 years!!!
during 50's and 60's Torino was a mid-level team in Serie A.
only from the mid of the 70's they came back to the glory and was on top for 5/6 years.
they won a League in the 75/76 and rwas runners-up in the 77 and 78.
then other 10 years of dark times and finally a second place in the 85 and some good seasons in the beginnings of the 90's, when they lost a UEFA Cup final against Ajax.

Final 1st Leg, Stadio Delle Alpi, Turin, 29 Apr 1992, att 65377

Torino (0) 2 Ajax (1) 2
17' 0-1 A: Jonk
65' 1-1 T: Casagrande
73' 1-2 A: Pettersson (pen)
82' 2-2 T: Casagrande

Torino
Marchegiani; Bruno, Annoni, Cravero (Bresciani 80), Muissi (Sordo 83);
Benedetti, Scifo, Martin Vasquez, Venturin; Lentini, Casagrande
Ajax
Menzo; Silooy, Blind, Jonk, De Boer; Winter, Kreek, Bergkamp;
Van't Schip, Pettersson, Roy (Groenendijk 82)


Final 2nd Leg, Olympisch Stadion, Amsterdam, 13 May 1992, att 42000

Ajax (0) 0 Torino (0) 0
aggregate 2-2, Ajax won on away goals

Ajax
Menzo; Silooy, Blind, Jonk, De Boer; Winter, Kreek (Vink 80), Alflen;
Van't Schip, Pettersson, Roy (Van Loen 65)
Torino
Marchegiani; Mussi, Cravero (Sordo 58), Benedetti, Fusi, Policano;
Martin Vazquez, Scifo (Breciani 62), Venturin; Casagrande, Lentini


then...a lot of Serie B. where it is today. (2th place now)



p.s.

GO UNITED!

San siro just needs a renovation.When it gets that it ll be the most amazing stadium in the world.....what new wembley or allianz arena....San Siro!!!!

THIS IS SURE!
there is a project to built an external ring of buildings around the stadium with restaurants, bar & pubs, hotels and shops.

but there are problems with Italian Laws, that are against all that inside the stadiums!

more, Inter FC want to built a personal stadium!
and Milano is candidate to Olympic Games 2016...and in Milano there is not Olympic Stadium. so....

mmh..2001 it host the CL Final, but now..it is no mre a 5 star stadium
http://www.ataturkolympicstadium.com/tr/5star.htm


yes, i heard something about that.
but...which are that criteria??????

these are the criteria for a UEFA 5-Star stadium, for the moment no stadium in Italy is capable of getting this ranking and the new Delle Alpi would be perfect but has too little seats :cry: So, I hope some stadiums like San Siro will get a renovation an upgrade soon :

1) Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5 star venues) or 30,000 (4 star venues)
2) All seats must be individual with backrests
3) Playing pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m
4) Minimum distances between the playing field boundaries and the retaining wall: Sidelines 6m, Goal lines 7,5m
5) No perimeter fencing around the playing area
6) First-rate dressing rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean)
7) Direct, private and protected access for both teams and the referees, from their dressing rooms to the playing area, and for their arrival at / departure from, the stadium
8) Suitable and appropriately equipped dope-testing room
9) Suitable and appropriately equipped room for the UEFA Delegate/Referee Observer
10) Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1400 Lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and 1000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply system able, if necessary, to provide instantaneously and without interruption, the equivalent light intensity values
11) A modern and efficient public address system which ensures that messages may be delivered to public areas, inside and outside the stadium, clearly and distinctly, during the event, and which is not diminished by sudden surges in crowd noise levels, nor vulnerable to failure of the main power supply
12) A permanent TV surveillance system in colour, covering all public areas inside and outside the stadium, which is capable of producing instant still photos
13) A stadium control room with the monitor screens for the TV surveillance system. The control posts for the public address announcer, the video information board (if any) the police, fire and medical services should all be located in, or immediately adjacent to the stadium control room which must have a clear, uninterrupted view of the whole interior of the stadium
14) Internationally understandable public signage, inside and outside the stadium, including the stadium approaches
15) A minimum of two sectors, with at least 50 covered seats in each, for disabled persons and their helpers. Such sectors must be suitably equipped with sanitation and refreshment facilities
16) Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex
17) Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios. The number of Media facilities may vary according to the match and the venue. (See UEFA Guideline for Media Facilities)
18) Adequate first class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 200 places at the VIP box, hospitality area for 400 VIP guests, possibilities for hospitality of 200 guests of the competing teams (200x2) and sufficient room outside the stadium (in the immediate vicinity) for Champions Village – approx. 4000 guests (in UEFA Champion league final only)

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About San Siro,it is a great stadium, the Scala of Football but they should really install a few things to make it perfect :


1-When the roof was designed for the World-Cup 1990 the architects also wanted to incorporate an "Automatic Cleaning System" (robotic) for the polycarbon glass of the roof. In this way the roof would never get dirty and would remain nice and transparant. Unfortunately the system was considered too expensive and it was dropped. So now the roof gets dirty and less light gets to the pitch. I think they should try to install the system.


2-The grass of the pitch is often terrible even with a modern drainage system. After a few weeks of play the field turns into a grass-disaster. They should be thinking of installing an Artificial Grass field. It is the only way there will be a pitch that will always be perfect to play on in San Siro and now the FIFA allows this in it's new regulations because the quality of the artificial pitch has improved a lot in the last years.

3- The seats in the stadium look not so good, they should be replaced. The colors are also a problem. Most good-looking stadiums have a colourscheme of one or two colours that fit well together. But some Italian stadiums use all kind of colours to indicate which type of ticket you have bought and where you can sit. It looks chaotic. A problem is of course for San Siro that they can not make all seats : RED-Black or BLU-black because one of the teams would never accept this :dunno:

4-The advertising pannels are often also chaotic----> some modern stadiums (Stade de France, Bernabeu...) have chosen this new electronic pannels....that way you can sell even more advertising without having to put the field full of ugly pannels :bowtie:

5-They should built the project of the New ring around the stadium with shops....


if all that is in place San Siro will be World-class again.

grazie Cesare!!!

SAN SIRO

1) Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5 star venues) or 30,000 (4 star venues)
OK - 85.700

2) All seats must be individual with backrests
OK ALL SEATS.

3) Playing pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m
OK

4) Minimum distances between the playing field boundaries and the retaining wall: Sidelines 6m, Goal lines 7,5m
IMPOSSIBLE IN SAN SIRO!


5) No perimeter fencing around the playing area
OK

6) First-rate dressing rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean)
OK

7) Direct, private and protected access for both teams and the referees, from their dressing rooms to the playing area, and for their arrival at / departure from, the stadium
I THINK THAT IS OK

8) Suitable and appropriately equipped dope-testing room
OK

9) Suitable and appropriately equipped room for the UEFA Delegate/Referee Observer
OK

10) Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1400 Lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and 1000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply system able, if necessary, to provide instantaneously and without interruption, the equivalent light intensity values
I THINK IS OK

11) A modern and efficient public address system which ensures that messages may be delivered to public areas, inside and outside the stadium, clearly and distinctly, during the event, and which is not diminished by sudden surges in crowd noise levels, nor vulnerable to failure of the main power supply
I DON0T KNOW.

12) A permanent TV surveillance system in colour, covering all public areas inside and outside the stadium, which is capable of producing instant still photos
OK

13) A stadium control room with the monitor screens for the TV surveillance system. The control posts for the public address announcer, the video information board (if any) the police, fire and medical services should all be located in, or immediately adjacent to the stadium control room which must have a clear, uninterrupted view of the whole interior of the stadium
I THINK THAT EXISTS.

14) Internationally understandable public signage, inside and outside the stadium, including the stadium approaches
OK

15) A minimum of two sectors, with at least 50 covered seats in each, for disabled persons and their helpers. Such sectors must be suitably equipped with sanitation and refreshment facilities
OK

16) Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex
NO!

17) Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios. The number of Media facilities may vary according to the match and the venue. (See UEFA Guideline for Media Facilities)
OK

18) Adequate first class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 200 places at the VIP box, hospitality area for 400 VIP guests, possibilities for hospitality of 200 guests of the competing teams (200x2) and sufficient room outside the stadium (in the immediate vicinity) for Champions Village – approx. 4000 guests (in UEFA Champion league final only)
OK. THERE ARE 20 SKY BOX FOR TOTALLY 200 PEOPLE

A pic of the project of San Siro surrounding area reorganization

http://www.corriere.it/vivimilano/media/foto/2005/02_Febbraio/11/SIRO.jpg

Amazing!! San siro forever!!!

What's happening to the Trotter?

The Trotter is still behind the stadium... just you can't see it because it is "covered": it is on the bottom side
But in this project Trotter is manteined
It only forecasts the redrawing of the area surrounding San Siro on the remaining three sides, now big empty spaces used as carpark (they wanted to do the parking areas underground)

Effectively there is a project in which they wanted to tear down Trotter to "enlarge" the area and perhaps the Stadium (in Trotter side San Siro has not the third ring completed, 'cause there are only 30 m to Trotter structure and they couldn't do it)
It is a project I personally oppose; but, honestly, I think they'll never do that... :)

Does anybody have a link to a list of UEFA 4- and 5-star stadia?

*****5stars*****

in the 2002

ITALY

Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan (85.700 cap)
Stadio Olimpico, Rome (82.307)
Stadio Delle Alpi, Turin (69.041)

NETHERLANDS

Feyenoord Stadium, Rotterdam (52.600)
Amsterdam-Arena, Amsterdam (51.620)

ENGLAND

Old Trafford, Manchester (67.400)

GERMANY

Olympiastadion, Munich (63.573)

AUSTRIA

Ernst-Happel-Stadion, Vienna (50.000)

SCOTLAND

Ibrox Park, Glasgow (50.500)
Hampden Park, Glasgow (52.054)

WALES

Millenium Stadium, Cardiff (72.500)

SPAIN

Estadi FC Barcelona, Barcelona (98.000)
Estadi Olimpic Montjuic, Barcelona (56.000)

RUSSIA

Luzhniki, Moscow (84.000)

FRANCE

Stade de France, Paris (78.782)

An up to date list of the UEFA Stadium Ranking can be found here:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/stadiumstars.htm

An up to date list of the UEFA Stadium Ranking can be found here:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/stadiumstars.htm

thanks!

UEFA Stadium Ranking

5-Star Stadiums

Camp Nou, Barcelona
San Siro, Milan
Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam
Stadio Olimpico, Rome
Old Trafford, Manchester
Olympiastadion, Munich
Ibrox Park, Glasgow
de Kuip, Rotterdam
Ernst Happel Stadion, Vienna
Stade de France, Paris
Delle Alpi, Turin
Luzhniki, Moscow
Hampden Park, Glasgow
Arena auf Schalke, Gelsenkirchen
Estadio Sport Lisboa e Benfica, Lisbon
Estadio do Dragao, Porto
Estadio Jose de Alvalade, Lisbon
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Stadio Olimpico, Sevilla
Ataturk Olympia Stadi, Istanbul
AOL Arena, Hamburg
Estadio Vicente Calderon, Madrid
Estadi Olimpic de Montjuic, Barcelona


4-Star Stadiums

Estadio Anoeta, San Sebastian
Anfield Road, Liverpool
Parken, Copenhagen
Gottlieb Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart
Rasunda Stadion, Stockholm
Koning Boudewijn Stadion, Brussels
Stadio San Nicola, Bari
Spyros Louis, Athens
Villa Park, Birmingham
Philips Stadion, Eindhoven
Parc des Princes, Paris
Nya Ullevi Stadion, Goteborg

Top 50: Highest Capacity in Europe

1 Camp Nou 98,800
2 San Siro 85,700
3 Olimpiyskiy Stadion 83,200
4 Westfalenstadion 82,700
5 Stadio Olimpico 82,000
6 Atatürk Olympia Stadi 80,600
7 Luzhniki 80,600
8 Estadio Santiago Bernabeu 80,000
9 S.M. Kirov 80,000
10 Stade de France 80,000
11 Croke Park Stadium 79,500
12 Boris Paichadze National Stadium 78,000
13 Olympiastadion Berlin 76,000
14 Millennium Stadium 74,500
15 Stadio San Paolo 72,800
16 OAKA Spyros Louis 72,000
17 Hrazdan Stadion 70,000
18 Olympiastadion Munich 69,200
19 Delle Alpi 69,000
20 Puskas Ferenc Stadion 69,000
21 Old Trafford 68,000
22 Murrayfield 67,500
23 Estadio da Luz 65,000
24 Arena auf Schalke 62,000
25 Borussia-Park 60,000
26 Celtic Park 60,000
27 Stade Velodrome 60,000
28 Stadio San Nicola 58,300
29 Estadio Vicente Calderon 57,500
30 Gottlieb Daimler Stadion 57,000
31 Estadi Olimpic Montjuic 56,000
32 AOL Arena 55,000
33 Estadio Mestalla 55,000
34 Crvena Zvezda Stadion 54,000
35 Estadio Manuel Ruiz de Lopera 52,500
36 St James’ Park 52,200
37 Estadio do Dragao 52,000
38 Estadio José de Alvalade XXI 52,000
39 Hampden Park 52,000
40 Waldstadion 52,000
41 LTU Arena 51,500
42 Amsterdam ArenA 51,200
43 De Kuip 51,000
44 RheinEnergie Stadion 51,000
45 Ibrox Park 50,400
46 Koning Boudewijn Stadion 50,000
47 Sukru Saracoglu Stadi 50,000
48 AWD Arena 49,000
49 Ernst Happel Stadion 49,000
50 Parc des Princes 49,000

Highest Average Gates

2003-2004 2002-2003


1 Borussia Dortmund 79,600 67,800
2 Real Madrid CF 69,200 69,200
3 FC Barcelona 67,600 66,100
4 Manchester United 67,600 67,700
5 AC Milan 63,200 61,500
6 FC Schalke 04 61,100 60,600
7 FC Internazionale 58,400 61,900
8 Celtic FC 58,200 57,600
9 Bayern Munich 55,500 51,600
10 Newcastle United 52,000 51,900
11 Olympique Marseille 51,600 48,300
12 SS Lazio 49,300 44,100
13 AFC Ajax 49,000 47,200
14 Rangers FC 49,000 48,800
15 Hamburger SV 48,300 45,300
16 Manchester City 46,800 34,600
17 AS Roma 46,500 57,200
18 Valencia CF 46,300 45,600
19 Atletico Madrid 44,400 46,300
20 VFB Stuttgart 43,300 32,300
21 Liverpool FC 42,700 43,200
22 Feyenoord 41,700 43,100
23 Fenerbahce SK 41,600 29,800
24 Chelsea FC 41,200 39,800
25 Hertha BSC 40,900 41,200
26 FC Köln 40,100 26,300
27 Everton FC 38,800 38,500
28 Paris Saint Germain 38,800 38,500
29 FC Kaiserslautern 38,600 36,200
30 Arsenal FC 38,100 38,000
31 Werder Bremen 37,500 32,300
32 Leeds United 36,700 39,100
33 Aston Villa 36,600 35,000
34 Olympique Lyonnais 36,000 36,700
35 Sevilla FC 35,300 34,800
36 Tottenham Hotspur 34,900 35,900
37 RC Lens 34,700 37,200
38 Juventus FC 34,400 39,800
39 FC Porto 34,100 28,300
40 PSV Eindhoven 32,900 33,200
41 Real Betis Balompie 32,700 35,000
42 Athletic de Bilbao 32,600 34,200
43 Borussia Monchengladbach 32,300 28,700
44 Southampton 31,700 30,700
45 West Ham United 31,200 34,400
46 Leicester City 31,000 29,200
47 Sporting Portugal 31,000 14,800
48 FC Nantes 30,800 32,400
49 Middlesbrough 30,400 31,000
50 Real Zaragoza 29,600 22,200


Stadiums European Cup
Finals
Stadium CL EC II UEFA Total

De Kuip 2 6 1 9
Koning Boudewijn Stadion & Heizelstadion 4 4 - 8
Wembley 5 2 - 7
Parc des Princes 3 2 1 6
Ernst Happel Stadion & Prater Stadion 4 1 - 5
Hampden Park 3 2 - 5
Camp Nou 2 2 - 4
Stadion St Jakob - 4 - 4
Olimpico, Stadio 3 - - 3
Olympiastadion 3 - - 3
San Siro 3 - - 3
Santiago Bernabeu 3 - - 3
Neckarstadion 2 1 - 3
Stadio Olympiako Athens 2 1 - 3
Nya Ullevi Stadion - 2 1 3
Olympisch Stadion 1 1 - 2
Wankdorf Stadion 1 1 - 2
Parken - 1 1 2
Amsterdam ArenA 1 - - 1
Arena auf Schalke 1 - - 1
Crvena Zvezda Stadion 1 - - 1
France, Stade de 1 - - 1
Kaftanzoglio Stadium 1 - - 1
Estadio Nacional 1 - - 1
Old Trafford 1 - - 1
Estadio Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan 1 - - 1
San Nicola 1 - - 1
Stade de Gerland - 1 - 1
da Luz, Estadio - 1 - 1
Stade de la Meinau - 1 - 1
Nürnbergerstadion - 1 - 1
Rasunda - 1 - 1
Rheinstadion - 1 - 1
Villa Park - 1 - 1
Yorgos Karaiskakis - 1 - 1
Luzhniki - - 1 1
Estadio Olimpico la Cartuja - - 1 1
Westfalenstadion - - 1 1

They really should renovate the seats in the San Siro, it looks crap

Also, the official capacity is 85k, but how come in games like Milan-Inter, or Milan-Juve, the crowd is only 78-79k?

W San Siro!

What would San Siro's capacity be if it had proper stadium seats in it? I'm guessing no more than 70,000. The reason I mention this is that I noticed that over the years a lot of stadiums had a major decrease in capacity after renovations and installing of real seats. The old 'Da Luz' stadium used to seat well over 100,000 spectators when it was bleachers, but the capacity went down to around 75,000 after renovations. The same thing happened with the Nou Camp , I rememered it seating something like 120,000 spectators at one time. So the 89,000 spectators the San Siro can hold may be a little deceiving as the seating is made up of concrete bleachers. What do you guys think?

Top 50: Highest Capacity in Europe

...
11 Croke Park Stadium 79,500
...

Isn't it a bit pointless for UEFA to classify Croker as a five star stadium, given that the GAA's constitution forbids the playing of soccer there? :)

first level seats of the lateral stand near the horse track have been replaced in 2001 and the capacity has not diminushed . In fact the width of the flat seats ( no standing places at san siro ! camp nou before , yes) is the same as ones you refer , the difference comes from they have no back which gives this impression of old concrete . So the capacity is 85k , certainly not 70 and IT IS because ssiro is huger than this kind of stadia . Have you ever seen a so little size of goal comparing to the stand-behind ? look at the photos , it's rather impressive . Only bernabeu or azteka can match this tallness and massiveness , sorry . 89k is accurate , i think , meazza looks externally and internally like an enormous vessel more than any other .

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/4and5stars.html#stalis

http://www.ataturkolympicstadium.com/tr/5star.htm

Without the Uefa law about all-seating stadium San Siro should have 200.000 places!
when was built the 2 level in the 40's the capacity was 150.000 people (then reduced in the 50's to 100.000 for public order problems).
in the '89 was built a third level, so today the hipotetic capacity is very close to 200.000.
after the Heysel and Sheffiel trobules in the late 80's all the stadium in Italy, and in all the rest of Europe, must do all seating.
so San Siro have today 85.700 places.
every match the 2 teams sell 85.700 tickets.

during the International matches (club cups or National team) the Uefa and FIFA ask to Italian Federation (and to all the other Federations) that the capacity af the stadium should be lower of the 10%!

so during matches of Italian Championship San Siro have 85.700 places, but durign the Cups have more or less 78/79.000 places!

after the Heysel and Sheffiel trobules in the late 80's all the stadium in Italy, and in all the rest of Europe, must do all seating.

Was there an actual ruling to create all seater stadiums in Italy like their was with the taylor report in the UK? It certainly doesnt seem to be europe wide as many of the german clubs have standing space, even in very new stadia such as the AufSchalke Arena.

Milian being one of the few places in northern Italy I'v never been to could someone tell me what exactly is blocking them from putting in the 3rd level on 1 side.

During Uefa matches the standing places are forbidden!
in Italy in the 4 Professional Leagues all the place "should be" all seatting. and the standing ones are forbidden. from the 1990 World Cup.
(S.Siro lost more than 15.000 places in the 1989 cause was closed the ground level area, called "parterre", that was completely without seats).

the last part of the third level will be, probably, never built.
that side of the stadium is 20 meters form another one stadium!
there is one of the 3 Hippodromes of Milano!
the third level and the roof were adjointed in the '89 at the structur of the 50's.
Were built some (i don't remember the exactly number) high tower of more than 60 meters that rounded the all stadium, for the 3th level and specially for the gigantic glass roof.
but in one of the 4 sides there was, and there isn't the land to built that towers!
the only one possibility should be the demolition of the Hippodrome....but is not possibile...cause in Milano Horse races are very popular.

some years ago someone proposed to built the Sky boxes on that area of the stadium. a sort of wall of windows composed of 4 or 5 levels of Sky boxes.
but no one did nothing.

finally the Sky boxes were built 3 years ago on the end of the first level (the best place to see matches in S.Siro).

in my opionion the missed part of the third level will be never built.

this picture is a good indication of the problem, with the Hippodrome being so close to the stadium. A third level would require new foundations and "towers" where the stand of the horse-racingtrack is now.

http://www.corriere.it/vivimilano/speciali/gallerie/milano/dalcielo/galleria/jpg/image2.jpg

Thnaks Cesar!

new images:

http://image22.webshots.com/22/0/59/82/202605982couaLF_ph.jpg
http://image20.webshots.com/21/1/51/82/202615182mVucBc_ph.jpg
http://image28.webshots.com/29/9/98/5/296299805IZzlmK_ph.jpg
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every time that we have a stadium that can be expanded to be perfectly complete , we can't because there is a non destroyable building near it ; see old trafford (68000 -> 94500) and st james park (51000 -> 75000) . The less we can say is those 2 stadiums look very unbalanced whereas they 'd deserve to be complete , due to their attendance standing . ssiro is more complete though than these stadiums , with a good capacity of 85k , so it's less important to expand .

i'll be there on wednesday for the euroderby!!! :D :D :D

every time that we have a stadium that can be expanded to be perfectly complete , we can't because there is a non destroyable building near it ; see old trafford (68000 -> 94500) and st james park (51000 -> 75000) . The less we can say is those 2 stadiums look very unbalanced whereas they 'd deserve to be complete , due to their attendance standing . ssiro is more complete though than these stadiums , with a good capacity of 85k , so it's less important to expand .

This is a problem of dozens of stadiums built in the beginnings of the XX° century (or sometimes also befor in UK) in the whole Europe.
the strange thing about San Siro is the it was built in the 30's in a enormous green area western to the city centre, and that was completly not urbanizated just to the 50's!
so, in that area, that was called Piazzale degli Sport (Sports' Square) there is the San Siro Stadium, 2 Hippodrome Stadiums, there was the gigantic Palazzo dello Sport for Indoor activties that collapsed under the big snow of mid 80's), other 2 horse race tracks.
so when the owner of Milan and the municipality decided in the 30's to built all thats outside in the city in a great green area they did an intelligent choise!
unfortunally, and that was so stupid, they built in that gigantic area the Hippodrome Stadium 50 meters from the Football Stadium
when the last one was exspanded with the second level, the meters between the 2 buildings went down to less than 20 meters!
so, today we have on the wester side of San Siro more than 300 x 400 meters of...nothing...parking area, and on the east side...the Hippodrome!

similar problems as Old Trafford there are in Italy with Marassi stadium in Genova, Dall'Ara in Bologna, Comunale in Florenca, San Paolo in Napoli....that are all orin the city centre or very close.
the worst i think is the Como stadium, that it was built many decades ago...on the lake banks eactly in the city centre!!!! as a Cathedral!

They need to change the seats...they look crap

SAN SIRO IS SIMPLY GREAT !

I always thought this stadium looked right at home in Italy, because the pedestrian ramps on the exterior look like NOODLES!

:) :) :) :)

I always thought this stadium looked right at home in Italy, because the pedestrian ramps on the exterior look like NOODLES!


Wouldn't it be more at home in China then?

yes....noodles in Italy are an usual and common dish as the porridge in Japan.

What would San Siro's capacity be if it had proper stadium seats in it? I'm guessing no more than 70,000. The reason I mention this is that I noticed that over the years a lot of stadiums had a major decrease in capacity after renovations and installing of real seats. The old 'Da Luz' stadium used to seat well over 100,000 spectators when it was bleachers, but the capacity went down to around 75,000 after renovations. The same thing happened with the Nou Camp , I rememered it seating something like 120,000 spectators at one time. So the 89,000 spectators the San Siro can hold may be a little deceiving as the seating is made up of concrete bleachers. What do you guys think?

Old "Estadio da Lux" was overcrouded when more than 70k/80k people were in it ... nowadays thats imposible.

San Siro was 150k in the old days ... down to 115k in the fifties and 85k today is its capacity WITH CHAIRS.

Theres lots of empty space between diferent team adepts so they dont use all the capacity ... and there seem to be a NO MANS ZONE under some red team cheeering squad (you can see this in previous pics in this topic). << 2 years late ... :)

this picture is a good indication of the problem, with the Hippodrome being so close to the stadium. A third level would require new foundations and "towers" where the stand of the horse-racingtrack is now.

http://www.corriere.it/vivimilano/speciali/gallerie/milano/dalcielo/galleria/jpg/image2.jpg

Thanks for that, Caesar. What I don't understand is, why on earth they built the stadium so close to the Hippodrome in the first place?

Of course initially it was much smaller than it is today, but it was a bad location to start with IMO.

Maybe the racecourse is younger?

Some other pics of Meazza, from the official website:


http://www.sansiro.net/web/desktop/003_800.jpg
http://www.sansiro.net/web/desktop/002_800.jpg

Various pics from the web:


http://media2.acmilan.com/200411/544_big.jpg

http://www.christianfusi.com/fotoblog/pub/DSC_0892.JPG

http://www.interaction-ivrea.it/images/photos/2005/sansiro/sansiro_03.jpg

In 2005 it was commissioneted a factibility study for a forth ring wich should have been worked as a commmercial area around the stadium. This was the finalist project by Studio Boeri.

http://i16.tinypic.com/68h41uc.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/5y1d15t.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/4u4wpe9.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/4pnn5gz.jpg


This project remained on paper mostly cause lack of space (the hyppodrome so close behind) and the neverending indecision among its owners. :bash:



Some further shots from flickr!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/78/228545631_452b8384ac_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/507928863_988a28b1cf_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/133/322664947_7f13e20f89_b.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/4yp0w35.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/6698t29.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/142280601_3cd1596dac_b.jpg




..and that's how SAn Siro looked like in the '60 when the third ring didn't exist yet.

http://i15.tinypic.com/4lgm49c.jpg

A few pics of mine from last year game Inter - Reggina:

http://images26.fotosik.pl/70/18e6cbfe0a2fb861.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

http://images30.fotosik.pl/70/28937800b2bf9e5c.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

http://images26.fotosik.pl/70/aa11990eb835b309.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

http://images24.fotosik.pl/70/abb86522bdedff58.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

http://images21.fotosik.pl/387/faddc1c8251e9384.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

outside looks spectacular while the inside of it is hidious

I can see a few seats spare which doesn't help.

outside looks spectacular while the inside of it is hidious

Absolutely. The inside needs a totally refresh!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/97/386474045_20b2305c29_b.jpg

bigger one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michellebeau/386474045/sizes/o/


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1124/1212063836_4b3ea8178d_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/88/211593720_1092008f5f_b.jpg

süper fotos. This stadium will be Milan's when Inter builds her own stadium... woooow...

Why is there a 2nd roof on the last pic?
Doesn't the big one cover this part?

Why is there a 2nd roof on the last pic?
Doesn't the big one cover this part?

Not if the rain comes from the back!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/504376769_a562188f7f_b.jpg

bigger one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dub-o-aa/504376769/sizes/o/


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1011/1351538364_bf29d9375c_b.jpg


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/474688324_49e78806ca_b.jpg

bigger one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43943309@N00/474688324/sizes/o/

i love those pics when the sun is inside the stadium
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/247/521898447_f44fed68bd_b.jpg

bigger one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69502532@N00/521898447/sizes/o/

This has to be the finest stadium in the world... :drool:

This has to be the finest stadium in the world... :drool:

It is certainly one of my favourites for football.
I would hazard a guess that the majority of posters on this forum agree about the excellence of this stadium and they also probably agree and are all dissapointed that they dont spend any money on it not even new seats which it is in desperate need of.
Despite what others have said the money is there, its just the usual insane politics that seem to surround stadium and football decision making:ohno:

imagine the inside with new seats

I was thinking, almost 100% having been there also on a number of occasions, if they were to upgrade to new seats the capacity would be reduced, because the regular seats are only plastic bench style and the best seats (not vip) are fairly small compared to new seats in new stadia and the standards that exist now. It would be interesting to find out but if I was guessing I would say at least 20,000 reduction in capacity if seats of wembley size/quality for eg were installed.

Just imagine what Italian football would be like now if all the stadiums built for the 1990 World Cup had all been as good as this or the Sampdoria/Genoa stadium. Pity really..... Anyway a proper legendary stadium.

Honestly I hope Inter will leave San Siro and build a new stadium.

That's the easiast way to convince Milan starting some upgrades (seats, shops, etc...).

Is there any discussion of possibly playing a 6 Nations rugby match at San Siro? It could easily accomadate a match.

What is Inter's stadium going to be like? How big?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/504376769_a562188f7f_b.jpg

If renovated it could be one of the best football stadium in the whole world :yes:

I was thinking, almost 100% having been there also on a number of occasions, if they were to upgrade to new seats the capacity would be reduced, because the regular seats are only plastic bench style and the best seats (not vip) are fairly small compared to new seats in new stadia and the standards that exist now. It would be interesting to find out but if I was guessing I would say at least 20,000 reduction in capacity if seats of wembley size/quality for eg were installed.

Yeah capacity would not stay 82.955
new seats and maybe some boxes, i would say capacity would be between 76,000-80,000

is there no suite here?

It's a palace.

I don't think there is anything quite like it anywhere else in the world. The roof is absolutely incredible, keep the seats i say, i quite like the character given by the fact that they are a little bit rough around the edges.

Anyone knows the steepness of each tier?

Maybe we've to take a look to the Section Plans Thread :D

sorry, i do not have a section plan of the san siro
i just have a silly one made by the basel stadium company

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/504376769_a562188f7f_b.jpg


Now because Milan have win the Expò the stadium part under the score-board it's come to finish, other 7500 chairs :banana:

What a great day in a amazing stadium!
http://bayernsupporters.com/wp-content/gallery/wp-contentgalleryseason_0001/milanchoreo.jpg

Is there any discussion of possibly playing a 6 Nations rugby match at San Siro? It could easily accomadate a match.

ain't gonna happen. 6Nations is too oriented to Rome's Flaminio and San Siro is too oriented towards Soccer matches.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/504376769_a562188f7f_b.jpg

What a beautiful stadium!!

A couple of questions, what's with the odd coloured seating? Also, how come that gap was never built in with another tier?

Imposing stadium nonetheless!

Because of the horse racing track you can't add a 3rd tier at this stand
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1252/716919099_bc302d3f47_b.jpg

^^
That's a shame!

Because of the horse racing track you can't add a 3rd tier at this stand
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1252/716919099_bc302d3f47_b.jpg

Is what you call horse racing tracks the building on left side of the picture? I never knew that Sansiro has horse race course next to it. Thanks for the infomation.

^^ check it on google maps:
http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.477963,9.126742&spn=0.00817,0.015836&t=k&z=16

The only minus of this stadium are really the seats, I don't understand how they could come up with this color scheme :(

1926:
http://www.solomilan.com/photos/textes/histoire-3.gif

1955:
http://www.solomilan.com/photos/textes/histoire-4.gif


If anyone has more old pics of stadiums please post them somewhere, I'm really interested in those.

What a great day in a amazing stadium!
http://bayernsupporters.com/wp-content/gallery/wp-contentgalleryseason_0001/milanchoreo.jpg

That picture is of course old. Therefore it shows the stadium with the old floodlights. They have now been replaced by newer ones. I think it was somewhere in 2005 that they did this.

It still is a very impressive stadium though. But, I have been there and noticed it could use a big renovation and modernization. But the basic shape should not be altered. That is part of history and it should remain like that.

1926:
http://www.solomilan.com/photos/textes/histoire-3.gif

1955:
http://www.solomilan.com/photos/textes/histoire-4.gif


If anyone has more old pics of stadiums please post them somewhere, I'm really interested in those.


Posted it in a previous page of this thread..

Before third ring (in the '60s). Looked impressive though.

http://i15.tinypic.com/4lgm49c.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/x3y7gm.jpg

What was it's capacity back then?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2409/2308849564_901da37c8b_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23626257@N07/2308849564/

It's great this stadium

the seatings are so ugly

When I went to San Siro, I fortunately had some newspaper which I laid down on the seats as it was filthy.

Having said that, the stadium itself is simply breathtakingly awesome. It would have a great atmosphere even if noone was there.

1. The improvements I would make is to get rid of the large nets at each end of the ground. Treat people like animals and they will certainly behave like animals.
2. Make seating run down to the edge of the playing field.
3. Put in comfortable rounded seating with arm rests.
4. Allow the video screens to show a live feed of the match, complete with replays. It is ridiculous they black it out when you pay money to get into these games and do not replay controversial incidents.
5. Stage some Italian 6 nations rugby matches there.
6. Extend the tier adjacent to the hippodrome to the same height as the rest of the stadium.

6. Extend the tier adjacent to the hippodrome to the same height as the rest of the stadium.

I'd like to see your engineering solution for that! :)

maybe they fill the gap with 5-8 storey high suites

I don't understand why the rich club doesn't chagne those old, incomfortable and dirty seats

For any other club i'd say the sheer cost in replacing the seats would be an unecessary waste due to the fact despite being a bit grubby, they still do their job as seats.

I mean the San Siro has 82,955 seats, and I read somewhere that each individual seat costs in the region of £30 (i'm sorry I can't do Euros) so that would be £2,488,650, on seats!

Of course this was just an estimate, it might not be as many seats need replacing, and I'm not claiming any confirmed knowledge of the seat prices, but you can understand why that could be seen as unecessary, especially when that sort of money could go towards better players etc.

I thought the stadiums belongs to the city
And it do not want to pay it.
As matthemod already mentioned it, like other italian clubs, Inter and AC would prefer to invest in players and not in the stadium.

The clubs won't do any improvements because they are only tenants to the City.

Sort of like why if you rent a house, why don't you put in a swimming pool, at your own expense.

I thought the stadiums belongs to the city
And it do not want to pay it.
As matthemod already mentioned it, like other italian clubs, Inter and AC would prefer to invest in players and not in the stadium.


Inter and Milan are battling to buy the stadium and have the possibility to do whatever they want... There's a project to renovate it and also build a "4th ring" that would be a commercial area all around the stadium in order to make it profitable every day of the week, not only when games are played...

But the Municipality of Milan doens't want to sell nor to renovate or build the 4th ring... So the stadium renovation continues not to belong by Inter and Milan's volunty!!
And this is the reason why Inter is thinking of building a new stadium...

It baffles me why Italian teams can't build their own stadiums, Serie A stadiums are some of the worst in europe. Concrete garages with running tracks. Both England and Germany have almost entirely state of the art sadiums and France together with Spain are soon to follow. Left are Italy with their stinkin filfy concrete shacks.

Even the smaler leagues have begun the modernisation, Portugal, Holland and Norway have all made huge stadia improvements and following are Turkey, Poland, Greece, Russia, Ukrania, Belgium, Swizerland, Sweden, Denmark and Austria. I'm only waiting for the east european countries to begin the modernisation and Italy will end up the black sheep of european football.

Italy i just a sleeping giant
Italian desgin + new stadiums = great result :cheers:

Italy i just a sleeping giant
Italian desgin + new stadiums = great result :cheers:

Yes indeed but it seems to never awake

Both England and Germany have almost entirely state of the art sadiums and France together with Spain are soon to follow


Count out France. There are only renderings on projects but no actions. Maybe France wants to stay as a friend with Italy forever.

Italy i just a sleeping giant
Italian desgin + new stadiums = great result :cheers:

Since there is not one single new modern stadium in Italy, how do you know? The only semi-new stadia in Italy with arcitectual quality is San Nicola in Bari but with a team that struggle to average 5000 in a 60000 stadia it seems a huge failure. Even when Bari played Serie A they struggled to bring even 10000 to the games. IMO good design=lots of audience.

I like Lazio's one
I mean look at Turkey
Damn 3 years ago there was only 1 stadium project. (FB)
In the last 2 years over 10 were proposed

Every country has its stadium boom.
Italy is maybe in a crisis, but maybe in 5-10 years we will see thr italien stadium boom.
Maybe a Euro 2016 or Euro 2020 could help

I think there is a big issue in Italy with the availability of land. Don't think you can just go and buy a farm and say okay, I am building an 80,000 seat football stadium here.

The various governments need to understand Calcio/football is the 4th largest industry in Italy. Then they might invest in it. There needs to be a partnership rather than the clubs having to fork out billions to build infrastructure.

San Siro is fine, it just needs a refit.

In fact the problem is NOT San Siro, IMHO.

It just needs some renewal.

The problem is about the other italian cities.

Opening ceremony of 1990 Italia world cup in San Siro. I think personally Un'estate italiana is the all time best theme song of world cup. Suddenly I miss Gianna Nannini & Edoardo Bennato. The song begins at 04:01

aG_-NB6rkOE

PS) Being a Korean, this song feels special because the composer of the song is Georgio Moroder who also composed the official song of 1988 Seoul Olympics.

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Opening ceremony of 1990 Italia world cup in San Siro. I think personally Un'estate italiana is the all time best theme song of world cup. Suddenly I miss Gianna Nannini & Edoardo Bennato.

Well Gianna Nannini is still around. And with youtube, you do not have to miss her. And there are lots of other Italian good (and nice looking female) singers around.

On topic: since the average attendances in the Serie A, B and C are not spectacular, I think they are even going down maybe due to high prices and football "fan" vandalism lately, I do not think we will see a boom in new Italian stadium developments any time soon.

Something seriously needs to change in Italy to catch-up with the other European countries who are in, or just had, a stadium boom. So the difference with the rest of Europe is getting bigger and bigger. Italy has to wake up and do something. Here is a small overview of the most important developments going on in Europe that I know of (I am sure I will have forgotten some):

England: is clear, lots has happened there already and more is underway (Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham, Newcastle, all big stadiums).
Germany: is clear also with the terrific WC-2006 they hosted. More is underway there too with Werder Bremen (although a smaller redevelopment than originally planned) and Stuttgart.
Spain: has quite a few pretty new or renovate stadiums plus lots of new developments like Barcelona (Camp Nou and New Sarria), Bilbao, Sevilla, Valencia, Zaragoza, Athletico Madrid, etc. Also big stadiums
Portugal: build some very good and impressive stadiums for the Euro 2004 (Benfica and Sporting) in Lisbon, Dragao stadium in Porto, etc.
France: is planning a lot now with big stadiums in Lille, Marseille, Lyon and Paris probably being the front runners. Stade de France from the WC-1998 is still very good!
Turkey: is in a new stadium boom (Galatasaray, Fenerbahce, etc).
Switzerland and Austria: (for the Euro 2008 championship of course) have done a lot to their most important stadiums too.

In my home country The Netherlands: we have mostly new stadiums. Only some have been renovated or redeveloped. But it did not stop there fortunately. The next plans are "underway":

1. Rotterdam: New "De Kuip" for Feyenoord, minimum 75.000 seats for 2014-2016! The old stadium which holds 47.500 was renovated in 1994.
2. Amsterdam: Expansion of the Amsterdam ArenA (open since 1996) to +/- 70.000 seats. (after 2010?).
There has even been a small discussion about a new national stadium incuding athletics track for 80.000 seats but that discussion died pretty soon after it started.
3. Eindhoven: Expansion of the Philips Stadion (35.700) to about 43.000 seats (after 2010?)
4. Heerenveen: Expansion of the new Abe Lenstra stadium from 26.000 to 40.000+ (around 2010-2012?)
5. Enschede: Expansion of the Arke Stadium from 13.500 to 24.500 (phase 1 is in construction right now). Final plans call for about 43.000 seats. (in 2010-2011, maybe even sooner).
6. Groningen: Expansion of the newly built Euroborg stadium from 19.600 to 23.000 (phase 1 will be done this year). Studies are ongoing to see if 40.000 seats is possible.
7. Alkmaar: Expansion of the new DSB stadium from 17.000 to 40.000 seats. Start of construction planned in 2009. Studies have shown the site can be expanded to even 60.000 seats.
8. Utrecht: studies are underway to relocate the Galgenwaard stadium (recently expanded to 24.500 seats) to the other side of the city where a possible 50.000 seater could be build.

If the WC-2018 would come to Belgium and the Netherlands, especially the Netherlands seem well prepared when it comes to the possible stadiums where the matches could be held. Not the biggest stadiums per-se, but big enough according to the FIFA rules.

1. Rotterdam: New "De Kuip" for Feyenoord, minimum 75.000 seats for 2014-2016! The old stadium which holds 47.500 was renovated in 1994.
2. Amsterdam: Expansion of the Amsterdam ArenA (open since 1996) to +/- 70.000 seats. (after 2010?).
There has even been a small discussion about a new national stadium incuding athletics track for 80.000 seats but that discussion died pretty soon after it started.
3. Eindhoven: Expansion of the Philips Stadion (35.700) to about 43.000 seats (after 2010?)
4. Heerenveen: Expansion of the new Abe Lenstra stadium from 26.000 to 40.000+ (around 2010-2012?)
5. Enschede: Expansion of the Arke Stadium from 13.500 to 24.500 (phase 1 is in construction right now). Final plans call for about 43.000 seats. (in 2010-2011, maybe even sooner).
6. Groningen: Expansion of the newly built Euroborg stadium from 19.600 to 23.000 (phase 1 will be done this year). Studies are ongoing to see if 40.000 seats is possible.
7. Alkmaar: Expansion of the new DSB stadium from 17.000 to 40.000 seats. Start of construction planned in 2009. Studies have shown the site can be expanded to even 60.000 seats.
8. Utrecht: studies are underway to relocate the Galgenwaard stadium (recently expanded to 24.500 seats) to the other side of the city where a possible 50.000 seater could be build.


Are there any renderings available about those projects?

^^ Not much is available yet.

Rotterdam: studies concluded, design has not started yet.
Amsterdam: design has not been published yet to my knowledge
PSV: design is in prelimenary phase.
Heerenveen: no design yet published to my knowlegde
Groningen: www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4p-ey2fzo0 (animation)
AZ Alkmaar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29L7z_Hel4 (animation)
Utrecht is only a study.
FC Twente Enschede:This one already has a topic while phase 1 is being constructed right now: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=409985&page=11

I think there is a big issue in Italy with the availability of land. Don't think you can just go and buy a farm and say okay, I am building an 80,000 seat football stadium here.

The various governments need to understand Calcio/football is the 4th largest industry in Italy. Then they might invest in it. There needs to be a partnership rather than the clubs having to fork out billions to build infrastructure.

San Siro is fine, it just needs a refit.

Actually I'd say the opposite is true, local councils have had too much of a hand in the building of italian stadiums resulting in oversized grounds with athletics tracks that are unsuitible for football. In the UK local councils are FAR less amenable to providing planning permission for any devolpment and actual direct finacing is almost unheard of and the result is generally much more suitible stadiums.

The redevolpment of the San Siro was IMHO the sole bright spot is a terrible WC stadium wise thats still hurting the league almost 20 years latter.

^^^^^^^^^^

As a visitor to Italy, I thought it was incredible you could get to see these amazing clubs play quite cheaply. While in England, IF you can snag a ticket, it is like 50 quid to see one of the big teams.

It is more a people's game in Italy than a wealthy man's pasttime as it is in England. I have no idea how a teenager could afford to watch Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U play. Meanwhile it's chump change to go and see Inter, Roma or Juventus play over in Italy.

On top of that, the food is great, the weather better, you can drive to the Alps, the Italian way of approaching life is enviable and the women are yummee!

^^^^^^^^^^

As a visitor to Italy, I thought it was incredible you could get to see these amazing clubs play quite cheaply. While in England, IF you can snag a ticket, it is like 50 quid to see one of the big teams.

It is more a people's game in Italy than a wealthy man's pasttime as it is in England. I have no idea how a teenager could afford to watch Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U play. Meanwhile it's chump change to go and see Inter, Roma or Juventus play over in Italy.

On top of that, the food is great, the weather better, you can drive to the Alps, the Italian way of approaching life is enviable and the women are yummee!

...and yet attendances are far worse than in the prem with massive teams like Juve and Lazio averaging 20K in 70-80K stadiums.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well Juventus plays in a city where the population is decreasing and mainly Torino FC fans. Juve's fans traditionally come from southern Italy, that is why they get sell outs when they play in Sicily and the south.

As for Lazio, it is because their team is not trying at the moment. They will get a big crowd for the Coppa Italia match against Inter.

It's probably come to the point now where the English Championship and League 1 get bigger crowds than Serie A. In the 3rd tier of English football this weekend we had a near 40k and a 30k attendance. Sundays Championship games saw massive crowds with most games selling out. Southampton facing relegation to League 1 drew well over 30k for their game.

You can't forget that Serie A and B games can all be accessed live on tv in Italy. So people just stay home and watch it. I believe that people in one street get the connection and the rest of the street 'steals' it from them. So you only need to pay for one connection and the rest get it for free! Not sure if they have nipped this in the bud yet.

Italian's thieving? Who would have thought it

That's true, the fact that Sky Tv buys every year all the rights of both Serie A & B does not help...


BTW, on sunday there was the derby Milan -Inter, the stadium was completely full...I'll look for some pics!

I think the poor attendances of Serie A are mostly due to the poor stadium infrastructure. When they had a few new or newly renovated stadiums at the beginning of the 90ies they had the highest attendances of any european league.
This season they are only in 4th place (last season even 5th).

In the early 90s they did not have tv going live against the gate every match.

TV certainly has an effect but if the clubs were playing at suitibley sized stadiums with good views and facilties I think you'd see much better attendances, games in live TV in the prem still draw alot of interest.

I agree local councils should be trying to help with redevolpment but when there in control of the devolpment then results tend to be less than satisfactory. You can talk about high ticket prices in the prem but is that any better than the french tax payer having to foot a £400 million bill for the Stade De France?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hang on where did the money the FA got to stump up for the land at Wembley come from? It was the government.

In the early 90s they did not have tv going live against the gate every match.

Do you know when this did start exaclty?

Some pics from the derby:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_oSmwftXPnjw/SCAPZ-hZ44I/AAAAAAAAP4w/elVLbpQlVCg/s1600/6.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_oSmwftXPnjw/SCAO0uhZ4zI/AAAAAAAAP4I/e9ah2ZivXD0/s1600/1.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_oSmwftXPnjw/SCAO7ehZ41I/AAAAAAAAP4Y/s90yAl7Ok1w/s1600/3.jpg

is there no suite here?

http://www.inter.it/en/speciali/hospitality2006/palchi-skybox-meazza2007-08/

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Hang on where did the money the FA got to stump up for the land at Wembley come from? It was the government.

The breakdown was I believe something like....

£600 million Private Money
£120 million Lottery Money
£50 million Tax Money

Most of the public money was spend on redevolping the understand stations nearby.

I'm not sure how TV comes into it when you consider the number of live games screened in the UK. This weekend 5 premiership games were shown live and all of them we're sold out. The argument regarding Juve's fan base being away from Turin doesn't add up when you consider many Manchester Utd fans don't come Manchester yet they get 76,000 every game. Tickets cost far more in the Premiership to.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hang on where did the money the FA got to stump up for the land at Wembley come from? It was the government.Wembley was a financial boondoggle but that's a national stadium, not a stadium subsidized for a professional club. Completely different thing, as they're talking about the facilities for clubs.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't tell me local councils, governments etc. in the UK don't make it easy for these clubs to build stadiums. They provide tax breaks, pave the way with simplified planning permissions. It all adds up as a potential cost.

As for Italy, the country is larger and more difficult to get around than in England. So fans cannot just jump in a car from the south and drive up to Turin for games. Also you can use the pay-per-view facility and dial up any game you want for say 10 euros. Probably nothing down the local trattoria and no doubt Juventus would be on everywhere. I can watch them over the internet for nothing in Australia, so I am sure the Italians have worked it out also.

It's not just national competition where Italians (and Spanish) are apathetic. What about European games where British supporters travel in vast numbers? For the 2005 Champions League final in Istanbul Milan sold 18k of their 20k allocation and had less far to travel. Liverpool sold their entire allocation + an extra 30k. British clubs could quite conceivably sell out away games by volume of support alone. Good support for Italian teams on British soil is often made up of large numbers of Italians living in the UK

Hey Bob, leave some arrows for the rest of us, will ya?!!! :)

I think the issue in Italy is one part facilities, one part culture, and one part perception and priorities. The culture issue I define as the clubs' struggles to distinguish the average fans from the more brash and sometimes violent ultras. Perhaps also as a side effect of the stadium issue, the clubs haven't been successful in cultivating the fan experience the way the other big nations have, still treating the crowds with the same cavalier attitude as the English did before the Taylor report. Perhaps if the teams were required to own their own facilities they'd put more thought into this.

The priorities issue is based on my perception (learned over time) that Italians value the success of their national team and the success of their big teams in European cups far more than the average Serie A contest. There isn't quite the pride or energy for middling teams trying to do the best they can, and if your team isn't in line for the scudetto then it's all about how you do in Europe or in qualifying for Europe. Everything else is a very distant 3rd or 4th in priority. Personally I find it disappointing, but that's just me.

its mediterranean mentality :D

Awesome stadium!!!

I love it!!

And Inter rules!!!!

:D:D:D:D

Well done Inter on another Scudetto. That showed those jackals! :lol:

I think the poor attendances of Serie A are mostly due to the poor stadium infrastructure. When they had a few new or newly renovated stadiums at the beginning of the 90ies they had the highest attendances of any european league.
This season they are only in 4th place (last season even 5th).

In the 90s they had the best league in the world as well, now it's comparitively poor (and generally not brilliant to watch in my humble opinion), so no wonder people aren't going watching.

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We have ourselves a parrot. You are just repeating what some (British journos) have voiced. Inter could well have smashed Liverpool had they not had a player sent off at an early part of their game in the UCL. After that, who knows how far they could have gone and that on top of the mountain of injuries they had sustained.

When you see English players and coaches going to Serie A and succeeding, then we will talk.

Tactically, Italy is still significantly stronger than the EPL.

Also, if the English league is so 'great' how come it has taken a decade for one of their teams to win the UCL?

p.s. I assume the English league is what you were refering to.

Also, if the English league is so 'great' how come it has taken a decade for one of their teams to win the UCL?

:ohno: In the last 10 years English clubs have won it 3 times and were losing finalists 3 times.

Tactically, Italy is still significantly stronger than the EPL.Cattanacio?

Granted, the English game features a number of clubs trying to play styles they're ill-equipped to play, but at least the EPL isn't 20 teams trying to out-defend each other to a 1-0 victory. :bash: Plus the Premiership and German Bundesliga feature aggressive play across the field such that players traditionally have less time on the ball compared to their Spanish and Italian counterparts. Your best examples of this are Ruud Van Nistlerooy and Andriy Schevchenko (sp?): The former moves from the EPL to La Liga and is finding tons of space such that he looks like a kid again, while the latter comes to the EPL from Serie A and can't get a shot off save the occasional garbage goal. Extreme examples? Yes, but indicative of overall themes. What EPL teams and players lack in flashy ball skill is both the product of and conducive to the more aggressive style played in England.

To wit, it's disingenuous to call one style "tactically" superior to the other.

Also, if the English league is so 'great' how come it has taken a decade for one of their teams to win the UCL?Discount Madrid (bolstered via government support of old), The big 3 in Italy (benefactors of heavily imbalanced revenue systems) and Barca and what's left? Nothing else that would indicate the EPL teams are lacking or inferior, to be sure. Now consider the EPL's best have done plenty well against those big name teams all along. Inter could have beaten Pool, but they didn't did they? Twice! Milan could've beaten Arsenal... but didn't.

Even the fans of the Milan teams and Juve admit they judge their team based on European success, viewing the Scudetto with less respect because they know it's always going to be the same few teams competing. (Save this year! Hooray for Milan missing out on the CL! :cheers:) Thus it's easier for those teams to concentrate on European matches versus EPL clubs who traditionally view the priorities as:
1) League
2) Europe
3) FA Cup
(Carling Cup is around #14 or so! :colgate:)

Bottom line, league superiority is tenuous to discern at best, and cyclical anyway. Serie A was once great and may be so again someday, but anyone affirming that's a better league right now is lacking something or being a homer.

BobDaBuilder - I agree with you about British coaches needing to move to Serie A but you're wrong about the Inter/Liverpool tie. Liverpool were far superior against Inter even before Materazzi got sent off. Over the two legs the best side went through and the sending's off only gave Mancini an excuse to use afterwards. The Inter team were too old and too slow to cope with the likes of Gerrard, Mascherano, Babel and Torres. If the truth be known Liverpool weren't even at their best during either game.

I'm not slating Inter as they are a great club with a great team but over the two legs against Liverpool they were completely outplayed. Just as Milan were against Arsenal.

(Apologies for going/staying off topic)

serie a is probably comparable to the french league now.National team are still good though

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Hang on where did the money the FA got to stump up for the land at Wembley come from? It was the government.

no it wasn't dude it was a massive bank loan from a german bank

Hey Bob, leave some arrows for the rest of us, will ya?!!! :)

I think the issue in Italy is one part facilities, one part culture, and one part perception and priorities. The culture issue I define as the clubs' struggles to distinguish the average fans from the more brash and sometimes violent ultras. Perhaps also as a side effect of the stadium issue, the clubs haven't been successful in cultivating the fan experience the way the other big nations have, still treating the crowds with the same cavalier attitude as the English did before the Taylor report. Perhaps if the teams were required to own their own facilities they'd put more thought into this.

The priorities issue is based on my perception (learned over time) that Italians value the success of their national team and the success of their big teams in European cups far more than the average Serie A contest. There isn't quite the pride or energy for middling teams trying to do the best they can, and if your team isn't in line for the scudetto then it's all about how you do in Europe or in qualifying for Europe. Everything else is a very distant 3rd or 4th in priority. Personally I find it disappointing, but that's just me.


i know you said this a while back, but here goes

in the mid eighties serie A averaged more of less 40,000 similar to the bundesliga, when pay-tv came in, a distiction wasn't made between live games and tv games, therefore, when given the choice of the two as alternatives, which aren't different 9/10 people would choose to stay at home and watch its simple, the fact that the clusb don't cater for the fans is also pandemic, probems could be easily solved with common sense.

also on the liverpool thing, at heysel juventus had double the amount of fans there than liverpool, it's all swings and roundabouts, as i said in italy now, watching telly is a viable alternative to going to the game, and until that changes attendances will decline!

It really is a shame how Serie A has declined and the really sad thing about all of this is that many of the problems causing the decline of the league could be so easily solved and that secondly nothing seems to be done at the moment to solve these problems, the stadium infrastructure of Serie A is terrible and at the moment is on a par with many eastern European nations but the difference being that they are actually building and renovating their stadiums and soon Italy will have among the worst stadiums in Europe. I’m wondering if anyone can explain to me why nothing seems to be happening in Italy regarding their stadiums surely it cant be down to a lack of money?

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It's not that bad.

You can get in and see these incredibly talented famous clubs for less than half what it costs in England and you can just about ALWAYS get a ticket.

In England it is stuffed. You cannot just say to your friends, looks good outside. How about lets pop down and watch Arsenal or Chelsea.

In Milan, Turin or Rome you can get on the Vespa and head out for a game of calcio.

Give me Italy over England's elitist mentality anyday.

Sure why not have it on tv too. If you have other plans and you cannot go to a match because you are having friends over or whatever you can still catch the match like you can put the radio on. But seeing we are practically in the 2nd decade of the 21st century it makes sense that the games are all available for the tv watcher.

Anyhow, if the English league is so good how come English players are useless when they come to Italy? Luther Blisset, Paul Gascoigne, Jimmy Greaves are just a few examples of 'rubbish bins' that have tried and failed playing Serie A. :cheers:

^^ easy answer. Stadia in Italy are owned by the cities and not by clubs. That's the point. Hopefully in next 5 years things should change, Premiership is the example to follow to renew Serie A.

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It's not that bad.

You can get in and see these incredibly talented famous clubs for less than half what it costs in England and you can just about ALWAYS get a ticket.

In England it is stuffed. You cannot just say to your friends, looks good outside. How about lets pop down and watch Arsenal or Chelsea.

In Milan, Turin or Rome you can get on the Vespa and head out for a game of calcio.

Give me Italy over England's elitist mentality anyday.

Sure why not have it on tv too. If you have other plans and you cannot go to a match because you are having friends over or whatever you can still catch the match like you can put the radio on. But seeing we are practically in the 2nd decade of the 21st century it makes sense that the games are all available for the tv watcher.

Anyhow, if the English league is so good how come English players are useless when they come to Italy? Luther Blisset, Paul Gascoigne, Jimmy Greaves are just a few examples of 'rubbish bins' that have tried and failed playing Serie A. :cheers:


bizarre logic that you think Italy is better because its easy to get in and it costs nothing. the more fans stay away, the better it is then..

Italy is in a big mess. they need to completly re-build their football doing mainly 3 things:
Get serious about getting rid of hooliganism.
Rebuild most stadiums
Share tv-income throughout the league.

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We are talking about Italy here. :laugh: In an 'organized' 'normal world' you could do these things but in Italy it won't ever happen and that is why we love Italy. :cheers:

I hope it never changes there. It is a refuge from the evils of the modern world, such as feminazis, fast food worship, over the top law enforcement, effective government etc..

If you want law and order and everything done perfectly on time go to Germany or Switzerland.

In Italy things are done somewhat differently and that is we love it!

To be on time in Italy is another form of slavery.

To break speed limits and road laws is liberation and freedom!

Also it is comforting to know that if you are ever convicted of something that it is possible to 'escape' penalty with a payment of a gratuity to an authority figure. Alas it is a world that has long since disapeared in the so called civilized world.

Italian stadiums didn't age well at all. The reconstruction for the 1990 World Cup produced a lot of white elephants.

The crowds are pathetic in Serie A. Even more so is the '% utilization' in stadia.

The commieblocks of the stadium world!

italian stadiums are ugly and have athletics tracks
only san siro stands out

Don't tell me local councils, governments etc. in the UK don't make it easy for these clubs to build stadiums. They provide tax breaks, pave the way with simplified planning permissions. It all adds up as a potential cost.

Errrrrmmmmmmmmmm.........I don't know where to start with this one. Perhaps Brighton? Bristol? Everton? Twickenham residents? Even mighty Chelsea have come off second best with planning permission in the past.

San Siro vs. any stadium in England is a no contest. Give me Milan anytime. Keep those cramped stadiums only fit for dwarves in England.

Architecturally Meazza is stunning and original. Wembley is just a copy of Sydney's Homebush and Old Trafford is like something you would come across in a Reading Business Park. The rest are just McStadiums, quite fitting really considering England has become a country of chains. Chain shops, restaurants, coffee houses, chain sporting teams.

Next thing you will hear out of England is they will demolish Oxford st and Piccadilly(Mayfair) and turn it into a giant Westfield Shopping Town.

Even the royal family is based on Disneyland's antics.

Yes the San Siro in terms of character is far better off than many English stadiums are. But in terms of facilities most if not all top English clubs will offer far better facilities. And I’m not just talking about top clubs like AC Milan, AS Roma, Juventus etc. but what about the rest because whenever i see Italian stadiums on TV and I mean pretty much all of them they look extremely run down they have seats missing, no roof, temporary seating, Crumbling Exterior and so on.
Also 10-15 years ago the Italian League was the Premier League of its time with the cream of world talent going there to play their football but nowadays the Italian League is far behind the Spanish and English Leagues and it soon may be overtaken by the German league.


Italy is in a big mess. they need to completly re-build their football doing mainly 3 things:
Get serious about getting rid of hooliganism.
Rebuild most stadiums
Share tv-income throughout the league.

As far as I know from next season the TV deals will be shared and the rights will be sold for the division as a whole.

Olimpico in Rome lost +10k seats because of safety and new seats

Could we see the same at San Siro?
70-75k?

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It's not that bad.

You can get in and see these incredibly talented famous clubs for less than half what it costs in England and you can just about ALWAYS get a ticket.

In England it is stuffed. You cannot just say to your friends, looks good outside. How about lets pop down and watch Arsenal or Chelsea.

In Milan, Turin or Rome you can get on the Vespa and head out for a game of calcio.

Give me Italy over England's elitist mentality anyday.

Sure why not have it on tv too. If you have other plans and you cannot go to a match because you are having friends over or whatever you can still catch the match like you can put the radio on. But seeing we are practically in the 2nd decade of the 21st century it makes sense that the games are all available for the tv watcher.

Anyhow, if the English league is so good how come English players are useless when they come to Italy? Luther Blisset, Paul Gascoigne, Jimmy Greaves are just a few examples of 'rubbish bins' that have tried and failed playing Serie A. :cheers:

Your logic borders on idiotic, even in the USA the standard bearer of 21st century society they see the value fo full houses, the NFL has its blackout rule if your stadium isn't sold out within 48 hours of the match, it isn't broadcasted on telly and you lose Tv revenue from that game, that would be the perfect way to solve it.

full stadiums, make for a better atmosphere no player wants to play infront of an empty stadium.

i don't think clubs in italy play in stadiums to big for them, if you look at the stats here, look at the crazy averages clusb who now get pitiful crowds used to attain in the 80s, in as old, mainly athletics stadiums

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/aveita80.htm

udinese and verona averaging over 40,000 is amazinf (fair enough verona won the league when they did it), Napoli 70,000+ every week (granted maradona), these stats prove that 20 years ago most clubs where averaging 10-20,000 more than what they are now, with better stadium infrastruture i can see it happening again!

in the mid eighties serie A averaged more of less 40,000 similar to the bundesliga, when pay-tv came in, a distiction wasn't made between live games and tv games, therefore, when given the choice of the two as alternatives, which aren't different 9/10 people would choose to stay at home and watch its simple, the fact that the clusb don't cater for the fans is also pandemic, probems could be easily solved with common sense.I get that, but am disappointed the clubs so easily disregarded the necessity to have so many fans in attendance. Taken to the extreme, do we want to see games played in front of nothing but TV cameras. "Toni scores! Surely thousands of you at home are leaping from your couches!" ;)

Architecturally Meazza is stunning and original. Wembley is just a copy of Sydney's Homebush and Old Trafford is like something you would come across in a Reading Business Park. The rest are just McStadiums...Meazza is indeed a great stadium, but the level of disparity you're implying is hardly there. Once you grasp that 90% of football stadiums will be alike do the "form follows function" rule, I think you'll find that the true level of differences and originality are quite small and constrained to details. More directly, while you're accusing Wembley of being a copy, I'm certain I can find dozens of likened stadiums that preceded the Meazza. Further, I've yet to hear many details of what makes this stadium so great that don't also exist in other places. It's not like it has a monopoly on size. Just saying.

Even the royal family is based on Disneyland's antics.Uh...

As far as I know from next season the TV deals will be shared and the rights will be sold for the division as a whole.Thank goodness.

It's not that bad.

You can get in and see these incredibly talented famous clubs for less than half what it costs in England and you can just about ALWAYS get a ticket.

In England it is stuffed. You cannot just say to your friends, looks good outside. How about lets pop down and watch Arsenal or Chelsea.

In Milan, Turin or Rome you can get on the Vespa and head out for a game of calcio.

Give me Italy over England's elitist mentality anyday.Since you've also provided light-hearted commentary elsewhere it's tough to gauge your intent here. But please tell me you're not suggesting the clubs are in favor of half-empty stadiums just for the ease of their accessibility?! That's beyond ludicrous as a business practice and if anything suggests the opposite - A level of incredulity directed towards the attending fans. Thus, it's hardly an elitist mentality on behalf of EPL fans, it's a sign of a deeper devotion among more fans and their clubs. As an Arsenal fan I like that my club is almost always playing in front of sold out home crowds as that tells me the fans care and the club is paying attention.

Anyhow, if the English league is so good how come English players are useless when they come to Italy? Luther Blisset, Paul Gascoigne, Jimmy Greaves are just a few examples of 'rubbish bins' that have tried and failed playing Serie A.Different styles and paces of play. Italy and Spain generally allow more space... until a defensive enforcer gains permission to break your leg (Yes, I'm looking at you, Marco). True enough, their development leagues, based on this same style, typically foster more skilled ball handlers but that can have it's drawbacks depending on the style and form of the opponent.

Then again, maybe the English don't play well in front of half-filled stadia. :cheers:

Back to topic

Seat & pitch replacement for the new season:

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Why did they use the same colours?
Do you know the new capacity?

Though there are the new safety restrictions (=less space), the new seat plan sees the seats really close to each other, so I think there is not a real heavy change in matter of capacity, but I will look for some more detailed features. :)

What do you mean with "the same colours"? Green, Red, Orange, Blue again?

Yes, they used the same colours.

Would have thought that the space between the seats is more now

It is very nice to see this stadium getting new and real seats! That was long over due. The seats will make the stadium look much better when empty, and it gives the fans a better and more comfortable place to watch the games of AC Milan and Inter Milan.

I hope the maximum capacity does not suffer too much though!

I have a few questions. Firstly do the new seats have back rests as required by UEFA? And secondly is there any other refurbishment work going on?
I really hope the San Siro gets some good work done to it as it is one of the most iconic stadiums in the world.

It looks like the concrete on which the new seats are fixed is being cleaned as well. The middle tier (in between the green seats) is the only part left with dark grey (dirty?) concrete.

I hope they do that to the four supporting corners they are looking a bit grim at the moment and they could really do with a clean. All this stadium needs is a little clean up and it would look so much better for it.

Yes, they used the same colours.

Would have thought that the space between the seats is more now

Dunno, honestly, because, looking at the blue seats, it seems they are really close to each other.

I think the colour will be always the same.

Actually they respect the historical colours of each stadium area.

For instance, the green part, belonged always to the Inter corner and the blue one to the Milan's one.

I think, that at the moment, they just want to clean up the stadium. Nothing really extraordinary.


I hope the maximum capacity does not suffer too much though!

Hope too. :(

I have a few questions. Firstly do the new seats have back rests as required by UEFA? And secondly is there any other refurbishment work going on?
I really hope the San Siro gets some good work done to it as it is one of the most iconic stadiums in the world.

Yup, they all have the back rests. In fact this is one of the main reasons of this renovation of San Siro: following the UEFA standards.

It looks like the concrete on which the new seats are fixed is being cleaned as well. The middle tier (in between the green seats) is the only part left with dark grey (dirty?) concrete.

They removed all the former seats, then they clean all the grey parts (=cement structure) and then they put on the new seats.

Dunno, honestly, because, looking at the blue seats, it seems they are really close to each other.

I think the colour will be always the same.

Actually they respect the historical colours of each stadium area.

For instance, the green part, belonged always to the Inter corner and the blue one to the Milan's one.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use Inter's colours at their end and Milan's colours on the other end? It is kind of weird that Milan's most fanatic fans sit/stand on blue (Inter's colour) seats.

Awesome stadium, true classic of Euro football. I'm glad that they are renewing it, it was about time.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use Inter's colours at their end and Milan's colours on the other end? It is kind of weird that Milan's most fanatic fans sit/stand on blue (Inter's colour) seats.

You know very well the situation...:D

...but do not say it loud...:runaway:

BTW, yup, kinda weird, but this is a transition time. It seems pretty sure, that Inter will leave the Meazza before 2015 and move to a new stadium (Mourinho seems pretty pretentious).

They should also install some suites between the 1st and 2nd tier.

Why would they ruin awesome stadium with something dumb as that? :)

Suites?
Money, money, money

Money is certainly not something that Inter and Milan lack :)

And they have enough of "vip" area on west stand of the stadium.

But the stadium income is very low and they can easly sell +80 suites.

^^
How many suites are there at the moment?
Also does anyone have a pic of the side with the suites I don't think I have ever noticed seeing any suites at San Siro before?

They don't own the stadium, why would they care about investing in something like that? :) When Inter builds their own stadium they will build enough of them.

there are 30 suites
http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=432

This is the view from some sky suites:

Inter - PSV of the last season.

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Does anyone have pictures of stadium with completely replaced seats?

2 from flickr:
http://flickr.com/photos/tonieklund/2789206022/sizes/l/
http://flickr.com/photos/29810174@N08/2780759477/sizes/o/

Imo they should really have taken different colors.

I like it this way. It looks far better than before.

What’s up with the fencing between the third and second tier why is there a fence their? It looks like they haven't put any new seats into the third tier am I right and if I am are they going to put some new seats into the third tier and if they are when are they planning to do so?
And one last question other than the replacing of seats and cleaning up has there been any other stadium work at San Siro? And is there any other work going on? I would be interested no matter how minimal.
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

Fence is there to prevent the home fans from throwing objects on away fans :)

They replaced seats on the third tier as well.

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Are you sure because the fence goes around the side in one of the pics and is also in the other picture which indicates it goes around the whole of the beginning of the 3rd tier. But i'm sure it has something to do with segregation it just looks a bit strange.

They're to stop the fans from falling from the deck.

They are clear perspex so the view of the pitch isnt obstructed.

I love this stadium

I drove past Milan last wednesday and made a short stop at the stadium.
Here are a few pics:

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http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2285/sansiro2dl1.jpg

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http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6271/sansiro5bb5.jpg

I think it is the best football stadium of Italy

So... i was googling to see some interior pics of stadium. Gotta say it looks pretty nice.

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big2_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big1_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big4_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big5_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/bigex_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/bigex_3.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/bigin_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/bigin_3.jpg

Boxes for Sercan :)

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big1_2.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big2_2.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big4_2.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big5_2.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big3_1.jpg

http://www.sansiro.net/web/business/ssb_big/big3_2.jpg

Thanks dudu :)
30 is really low for this stadium.
With a real 3rd tier they could have add some suites between the 2nd and 3rd tier.

^^Exactly 30 only for the stadium of this magnitude is really low.

The fences are on all three sides:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_H5g0kRFSx4w/SGNGo0_AQ-I/AAAAAAAADpk/9c3mXr87DEA/IMG_6233.JPG

They're to stop the fans from falling from the deck.

They are clear perspex so the view of the pitch isnt obstructed.

Not quite - and kind of wall or fence would prevent fans falling from the deck. Apparently, they're actually to prevent fans paying for the cheaper seats in the top tier and then climbing down into the second tier and taking up the more expensive seats there. There is nothing but a rather small wall that divides the second ring from the front concourse of the third ring, so while the average internal wall or fence would prevent fans tumbling from the concourse at the front of the third ring, it wouldn't prevent them climbing down the little wall and into the second ring.

How big a problem this really could be, I don't know. I've been at Murrayfield a few times when the place has only been half full and fans with the cheap tickets moved into much better seats around kick off, so obviously it happens. Last season's average attendance at the San Siro was about 54,000, so I'm guessing that with those 30,000 or so seats unused, there could have been some kind of problem with this.

Why did they use the same colours?
Do you know the new capacity?


80.018 (http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=52378) ;)

80.018 (http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=52378) ;)
official homepage -> 82,955 ;)

http://www.sansiro.net/web/struttura.asp

AC MILAN 4EVER!!!! :cheers:

official homepage -> 82,955 ;)

http://www.sansiro.net/web/struttura.asp


no, after the last "work" the capacity was set at 80.018 ;)

http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=52378
Infine, in seguito a lavori di riqualificazione dello stadio per l'adeguamento della struttura agli standar Uefa nell'estate 2008(summer 2008), la capienza attuale è di 80.018 posti.

The new look...

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click on pic
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flickr©lucas.santos

My favorite ever stadium. I hope One DAY, I could visit it, This is one of my dreams traveling through Europe.

AC Milan rocks!!

Anyone has pics of the skyboxes?

Anyone has pics of the skyboxes?

see post 235 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25401210&postcount=235) ;)

SkyBox Map

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http://veleno.inter.it/it/speciali/hospitality2006/palchi-skybox-meazza2007-08/skybox.html

skybox rosso

SkyBox 25 mq arredata con circuito tv e bagno privato
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Personalizzazione esterna e interna con logo aziendale
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 10 tessere SkyBox valide per tutte le partite casalinghe di Campionato, Coppa Italia e Champion’s League
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 10 pass Sala Executive Club
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Servizio catering presso lo Sky Box
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 1 posto auto parcheggio sotterraneo
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 4 posti auto parcheggio di superficie
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Partecipazioni Eventi Ufficiali Inter per 1 persona (Cena Natale o Kick Off)
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Catering personalizzato su richiesta
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Sconto prodotti Ufficiali Inter
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Prelazione biglietteria eventi non calcistici San Siro (previa disponibilità)
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Affitto Sala Executive per eventi aziendali (escluso il giorno della partita)
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Affitto sala riservata durante la partita per convention
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Prelazione Trasferta Europea per 2 persone in occasione di una gara di Champion’s League
(previa disponibilità)

Corrispettivo:
Sky Box n° 1,2 € 90.000 + iva
Sky Box n° 14,15 € 90.000 + iva
Sky Box n° dal 3 al 13 € 110.000 + iva


skybox arancio

SkyBox 25 mq arredata con circuito tv e bagno privato
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Personalizzazione esterna e interna con logo aziendale
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 10 tessere SkyBox valide per tutte le partite casalinghe di Campionato, Coppa Italia e Champion’s League
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 10 pass Sala Arancio
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Servizio catering presso lo Sky Box
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif 5 posti auto parcheggio di superficie Trotto
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Partecipazioni Eventi Ufficiali Inter per 1 persona (Cena Natale o Kick Off)
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Catering personalizzato su richiesta
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Sconto prodotti Ufficiali Inter
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Prelazione biglietteria eventi non calcistici San Siro (previa disponibilità)
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Affitto Sala Executive per eventi aziendali (escluso il giorno della partita)
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Affitto sala riservata durante la partita per convention
http://veleno.inter.it/img/frecciablu.gif Prelazione Trasferta Europea per 2 persone in occasione di una gara di Champion’s League
(previa disponibilità)

Corrispettivo:
Sky Box n° 1,2 e 14,15 € 70.000 + iva
Sky Box n° dal 3 al 6 e dal 9 al 13 €80.000 + iva
Sky Box n° 7 e 8 € 90.000 + iva

Thanks a lot.
Some years ago the capacity was ~85k.
So maybe with more businessseats / clubseats at the sight main and "horserace satdium" stand the capacity could sink to around 75,000-78,000

The stadiums looks a lot better now with the new seats but it still needs a major revamp and modernisation. Are there any plans to increase hospitality or too improve the concourse areas because they are going to be badly needed if the San Siro is going to be used in the future? Also does anyone know if the jumbotron's on the roof are new because I can't remember them being their before this summer?

Holy sh%# new seats they must read skyscrapercity!!!