Fellas,

I guess you've all heard our Government's decision to curb the width of our National Highways to a bare minimum of 30m from the initially proposed 45m. Did I miss the report being discussed here or are you guys in favour of it? This is going to affect the NH 17 developments as well, which will be a severe blow to the future progress of our state, I'm afraid.

I think our netas are working their way into bringing this state into apocalypse. Today my MP Dr. Shashi Tharoor also appeared to be in two minds, giving an indication of succumbing to this 30 meter argument. Tharoor thinks that the political decision is the popular decision, but he is clearly wrong there. Are we all satisfied by this çountry-class highway which rules out any scope for future expansion or development?

http://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/13075030768

He has also quoted one of our friend's article on the subject. Please find time to go through the article (http://tvmrising.blogspot.com/2010/04/roads-to-nowhere.html)to get a grasp on the 'whys', as I don't find anyone in the press or public too much bothered about this.

Sanju, perhaps we may need a 'Calicut discussions' thread here to address such issues instead of messing up the Projects thread. I feel this is one issue we need to take up instead of being armchair critics which is total waste of time and space as well as being unkind to the brain and bum.

Thanks :)

We could discuss this in Kerala thread right? I had mentioned this in Kannur thread but nobody responded. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=55599385&postcount=1513

We could discuss this in Kerala thread right? I had mentioned this in Kannur thread but nobody responded. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=55599385&postcount=1513

^^ We can have a 'Kerala Cafe' thread where all such discussions can be carried out.

We could discuss this in Kerala thread right? I had mentioned this in Kannur thread but nobody responded. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=55599385&postcount=1513
Not to worry Aslesh. This ( 30m wide NH ) is just a proposal put forward by the all party meeting....NHAI / Kamal Nath is not going to make an exception just for Kerala...the tenders have been awarded anyway...Shashi Tharoor indicated the same in another tweet "All parties in Kerala want narrower national hwys 2minimize public disruption.But Govt says roads can't be built below standard specificns."

Fellas,

I guess you've all heard our Government's decision to curb the width of our National Highways to a bare minimum of 30m from the initially proposed 45m. Did I miss the report being discussed here or are you guys in favour of it? This is going to affect the NH 17 developments as well, which will be a severe blow to the future progress of our state, I'm afraid.

I think our netas are working their way into bringing this state into apocalypse. Today my MP Dr. Shashi Tharoor also appeared to be in two minds, giving an indication of succumbing to this 30 meter argument. Tharoor thinks that the political decision is the popular decision, but he is clearly wrong there. Are we all satisfied by this çountry-class highway which rules out any scope for future expansion or development?

http://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/13075030768

He has also quoted one of our friend's article on the subject. Please find time to go through the article (http://tvmrising.blogspot.com/2010/04/roads-to-nowhere.html)to get a grasp on the 'whys', as I don't find anyone in the press or public too much bothered about this.

Sanju, perhaps we may need a 'Calicut discussions' thread here to address such issues instead of messing up the Projects thread. I feel this is one issue we need to take up instead of being armchair critics which is total waste of time and space as well as being unkind to the brain and bum.

Thanks :)

Sorry for replying late guys.....well, regarding the width of NH...45m is the correct proposition for a 4 lane road i guess, if they have made it to 30m, its damn clear that govt or supporting political parties want to protect many bigshots..and there is hell lot of space on both sides of NH-17 especially in Malappuram Dist, space crunch can only be seen on places in the streach from edappally till guruvayoor, which can be easily cleared by building bypasses..Valanchery, edappal etc also need bypasses, while quilandy, mahi, talssery & kannur who are the real bottle necks are also going to get bypasses so y they have to curb..if its just a proposal inside the party as somebody said above then let us wait and see...and sorry guys i have lost hopes in Sasi Tharoor...excuse me..

I think this proposal is for NH-47 in Alappuzha, Kollam and trivandrum. Those are the most thickly populated areas. As sanju said NH-17 passes through sparsely populated areas like those in Malappuram district. We need not follow this proposal for NH-17. If its for all the NHs in Kerala then its a sad news.

See in NH-17 Kasargod-Valapattanam and Ramanattukara-Ponnani sections pass through sparsely populated regions. There are some towns like Taliparamba, Payyannur, Valancheri, Kottakkal etc for which bypasses are already proposed. So these sections can be 45m wide. From valapattanam to ramattukara it goes through thickly populated coastal area. But in the current proposal some 60-70% of this portion is going to be bypass. There is a bypass for Kannur from valapattanam to nadal. Then from muzhappilangad to mahe there will be a bypass for thalassery and mahe. Then there is a bypass Koyilandy. I am not sure but I guess towns like payyoli will also get bypassed. Then comes Calicut NH bypass. So this section can also be 45m wide with all these bypasses.

I don't have much hope about ponnani-edappally section. This area is really troublesome. It is heavily populated and also they are the same people who are against Thanur-Edappally railway line. Early there was huge agitation against land aquisition for two laning the NH-17. :nuts: I don't think they will allow allow 45m wide NH. It is fine if this section is just 30m wide. They deserve that much only. Also after reaching kuttipuram in NH-17 most travellers will opt for the state highway to reach thrissur and then travel through NH-47 to reach Ernakulam. It is the existing route used by buses too and it is not going to change even if NH is widened to 45 or even 60 metres.

But one thing I fear is that the agitations in Edappally-Ponnani section may reduce the width of NH-17 upto Kasargod. They may even try to stop the four laning altogether. I think GoK has to adopt some differentiation instead of treating the whole kerala equally. Where ever possible try to acquire land for 45m or 60m and when it is not possible go for 30m. Atleast we will get good roads in some parts of Kerala. Let others be jealous and enjoy dying in accidents. Its already 45m in Thrissur-Angamali section. I think its going to 60m wide from Thrissur to Palakkad. So it is not going to be 30m in whole Kerala. Narrow minded people will have to suffer.

Now who is going to start the Kerala Cafe thread?

I think this proposal is for NH-47 in Alappuzha, Kollam and trivandrum. Those are the most thickly populated areas. As sanju said NH-17 passes through sparsely populated areas like those in Malappuram district. We need not follow this proposal for NH-17. If its for all the NHs in Kerala then its a sad news.


They are not densily populated as we think, MC road is more dencer, as Ajay said in his blog a lot of barren land available for development...

See in NH-17 Kasargod-Valapattanam and Ramanattukara-Ponnani sections pass through sparsely populated regions. There are some towns like Taliparamba, Payyannur, Valancheri, Kottakkal etc for which bypasses are already proposed. So these sections can be 45m wide. From valapattanam to ramattukara it goes through thickly populated coastal area. But in the current proposal some 60-70% of this portion is going to be bypass. There is a bypass for Kannur from valapattanam to nadal. Then from muzhappilangad to mahe there will be a bypass for thalassery and mahe. Then there is a bypass Koyilandy. I am not sure but I guess towns like payyoli will also get bypassed. Then comes Calicut NH bypass. So this section can also be 45m wide with all these bypasses.
I agree with you on most of the points, and for Calicut Bypass, they have already acquired land for a 50m Wide road some 40 years ago, it passes mainly on different terrains which include hills and agricultural land and they are all sparsely populated regions.
I don't have much hope about ponnani-edappally section. This area is really troublesome. It is heavily populated and also they are the same people who are against Thanur-Edappally railway line. Early there was huge agitation against land aquisition for two laning the NH-17. :nuts: I don't think they will allow allow 45m wide NH. It is fine if this section is just 30m wide. They deserve that much only. Also after reaching kuttipuram in NH-17 most travellers will opt for the state highway to reach thrissur and then travel through NH-47 to reach Ernakulam. It is the existing route used by buses too and it is not going to change even if NH is widened to 45 or even 60 metres.

We need this road to be widened at any cost, coz it will reduce the distance between calicut & ernakulam for about 30 km, means we can save 1 hour while travelling between these cities...30m will do..its better to have atleast something when there is nothing....

Now who is going to start the Kerala Cafe thread?

You can do it....:cheers:

Here we go! :cheers1:

Sudheesh bhai, thanks for the name suggestion! And shall I request you to move our NH development discussions from Calicut thread to this one please? Thanks :)

oh Kerala's chaibar................:cheers:

^^ Sanju, I have it opened already :)

Kerala Cafe (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1122137)

Request the mod to transfer the posts over to there, we can keep Calicut projects thread clutter free.

^^ Sanju, I have it opened already :)

Kerala Cafe (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1122137)

Request the mod to transfer the posts over to there, we can keep Calicut projects thread clutter free.

:applause:

Sudeeshbhai, plz move highway discussions posts from calicut thread to this thread....so that we can continue our discussions here...

I agree with you on most of the points, and for Calicut Bypass, they have already acquired land for a 50m Wide road some 40 years ago, it passes mainly on different terrains which include hills and agricultural land and they are all sparsely populated regions.
Actually they have to take 100 meters now. Now it is just for four laning. Soon we have to do six laning. 45m is a concession given to Kerala by the central govt.


We need this road to be widened at any cost, coz it will reduce the distance between calicut & ernakulam for about 30 km, means we can save 1 hour while travelling between these cities...30m will do..its better to have atleast something when there is nothing....

For this road to be useful the state highway from Calicut to Ponnani coastal highway has to be completed. A state highway is not going to be wider than 30 ms. Then from ponnani to edappally even if its 30m it will okay I think. As you said it will be better than nothing.

Even if NH-17 and NH-47 are widened to 45m, the Kuttippuram-Thrissur link between them is going to be the real bottle neck. Is there any plan for a bypass between Thrissur-Guruvayoor road and NH-47?

Anyways we really need that Thrissur-Angamali style highway all over Kerala. Have you seen that highway? It is really superb. :cheers:

Sudeeshbhai, plz move highway discussions posts from calicut thread to this thread....so that we can continue our discussions here...



Sudheeshji, I have limited knowledge on Roads down south. Therefore dont find mention in this post.

Whereever there is space for 45mts let them do it.
From Mangalore till Kasaragod
Wherever there are alternate paths, let them develop all of them equally.
From Kasaragod till Kanjhangaad both through Cherkala and Uduma
From Kuttipuram to north both through Putuponnani and Edappal.
From Calicut to Ponnai both through University and proposed coastal route via Chamravattom

You will need countless number of byepasses in other stretches. No other go.

One advantage of developing multiple paths between cities is that can create a policy on what vehicles can ply on which road. Instead of allowing all vehicles from TANKER lorry to two wheeler on a big 4 LANE highway we need to make access of vehicles restricted.I have given an example case below.

Do not build roads which restrict access to locals and their tvs mopeds and maruti 800's. Kerala is URBAN in its entire length thats why I am voicing my opinion against access restricted highways.

For example in the two paths from Kasaragod to Kanjangad on one path through Uduma only KSRTC buses ply end to end ( nationalised route). The tanker lorries and truck traffic is not allowed on the path. In the other path we used to have all the, goods traffic, private buses and Town to town KSRTC. Therefore developing and maintaining these two routes in 30m width will be better than having a 45 mts highway with access restrictions.

When we have two routes to a destination the commercial interest of owning a TOLL Path will diminish.Two paths means competition and the aam aadmi ke Sarkar now a days are not allowing this. They insist on one and only one BIG FAT toll way.

Those alternatives routes are already being developed under different projects. Kasargod-Uduma-Kanhangad and Valapattanam-Pazhayangadi-Pilathara roads can serve as alternative routes for NH-17 and are planned to be developed under the next phase of KSTP. Hopefully the coastal highway from Calicut to Ponnani will also get developed by Kerala PWD. But still I don't think that will solve our problem. We need highways of better modern standards and not those stupid state highway like NH. Those KSTP roads by may look better and wider but there is no care for safety. Forget about the median but there is not even lane markings in most places. In fact it promotes rash driving.

A 45m highway is not going to restrict TVS mopeds and maruthi 800s. If we can have such a highway in thrissur then there won't be any problem in the whole Kerala. I am really feeling jealous towards central Kerala. They get everything in the first place. Whether it be the doubled electrified railway line or the 45m wide national highway. We are still waiting and it may never happen also.

Sudheeshji, I have limited knowledge on Roads down south. Therefore dont find mention in this post.

Whereever there is space for 45mts let them do it.

That should be the idea. Already 45 metres of land has acquired along NH 47 stetches especially Kollam Bypass (13.5 Kms). I strongly advocate that the Kollam Bypass or any other roads that are passing through any other city should have 45 metres width if the land is already aquired.

We should look at our city roads with a Vision 2020 outlook. What will the government do with the remaining 15 metres of acquired land if the road width is going to be just 30 metres? There is scope for more scams and bribes in such a situation!!!.:nuts:

I am really feeling jealous towards central Kerala. They get everything in the first place.

Asleshetta, I'm feeling jealous towards the whole of rest of kerala (Kerala - C.T.) :lol:

Article from Indian Express ( Apr 22nd) that all-party demand is likely to be rejected.

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The demand of the all-party meeting to restrict the width of NH-17 and NH-47 to 30-metres is likely to be rejected by the National Highways Authority of India and Surface Transport Ministry. Sources in the PWD told `Express’ that a similar demand when raised earlier by the Kerala PWD Minister was turned down by Union Surface Transport Minister Kamal Nath.

``Kamal Nath had told Minister P.J. Joseph and Principal Secretary Tom Jose that rules couldn’t be relaxed for Kerala alone,’’ said a source. On Wednesday, in New Delhi, a group of Kerala MPs met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and apprised him of the all-party decision. Singh told the MPs to meet Kamal Nath and convince him first.

In fact, NHAI chairman Brijeswar Singh, who attended the all-party meeting on Tuesday, categorically rejected the demand by political parties.

``You can build a road of 30-metre width, but it won’t be a National Highway. It will only be a state highway,’’ Singh sarcastically told the meeting. In his introductory speech, the chairman had tried to convince the participants about the necessity of 45-metre-wide NH in Kerala.

While all other states are constructing 60-metre highways on BOT basis, Kerala was allowed to go ahead with the 45-metre road considering the peculiar situation prevailing in the State. ``If the width is further reduced to 30 metre, the first casualty will be road safety,’’ Singh told the meeting.

http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/all-party-meet-demand-likely-to-be-rejected/167238.html

Article from Indian Express ( Apr 22nd) that all-party demand is likely to be rejected.

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The demand of the all-party meeting to restrict the width of NH-17 and NH-47 to 30-metres is likely to be rejected by the National Highways Authority of India and Surface Transport Ministry. Sources in the PWD told `Express’ that a similar demand when raised earlier by the Kerala PWD Minister was turned down by Union Surface Transport Minister Kamal Nath.

``Kamal Nath had told Minister P.J. Joseph and Principal Secretary Tom Jose that rules couldn’t be relaxed for Kerala alone,’’ said a source. On Wednesday, in New Delhi, a group of Kerala MPs met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and apprised him of the all-party decision. Singh told the MPs to meet Kamal Nath and convince him first.

In fact, NHAI chairman Brijeswar Singh, who attended the all-party meeting on Tuesday, categorically rejected the demand by political parties.

``You can build a road of 30-metre width, but it won’t be a National Highway. It will only be a state highway,’’ Singh sarcastically told the meeting. In his introductory speech, the chairman had tried to convince the participants about the necessity of 45-metre-wide NH in Kerala.

While all other states are constructing 60-metre highways on BOT basis, Kerala was allowed to go ahead with the 45-metre road considering the peculiar situation prevailing in the State. ``If the width is further reduced to 30 metre, the first casualty will be road safety,’’ Singh told the meeting.

http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/all-party-meet-demand-likely-to-be-rejected/167238.html

Good to hear that news....so i think that make us clear regarding the confusion on NH Width.....

Article from Indian Express ( Apr 22nd) that all-party demand is likely to be rejected.

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The demand of the all-party meeting to restrict the width of NH-17 and NH-47 to 30-metres is likely to be rejected by the National Highways Authority of India and Surface Transport Ministry. Sources in the PWD told `Express’ that a similar demand when raised earlier by the Kerala PWD Minister was turned down by Union Surface Transport Minister Kamal Nath.

``Kamal Nath had told Minister P.J. Joseph and Principal Secretary Tom Jose that rules couldn’t be relaxed for Kerala alone,’’ said a source. On Wednesday, in New Delhi, a group of Kerala MPs met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and apprised him of the all-party decision. Singh told the MPs to meet Kamal Nath and convince him first.

In fact, NHAI chairman Brijeswar Singh, who attended the all-party meeting on Tuesday, categorically rejected the demand by political parties.

``You can build a road of 30-metre width, but it won’t be a National Highway. It will only be a state highway,’’ Singh sarcastically told the meeting. In his introductory speech, the chairman had tried to convince the participants about the necessity of 45-metre-wide NH in Kerala.

While all other states are constructing 60-metre highways on BOT basis, Kerala was allowed to go ahead with the 45-metre road considering the peculiar situation prevailing in the State. ``If the width is further reduced to 30 metre, the first casualty will be road safety,’’ Singh told the meeting.

http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/all-party-meet-demand-likely-to-be-rejected/167238.html

45 metre width is mandatory for our roads. We should look at future also. It will be even more difficult to widen the road to 45 metres or even 30 metres after 20 years. So, we should not waste time. There is no gain without any pain. But the government should pay good compensation to those who are evicted from their land. We should respect their sentiments as they compromise on their property for our nation's development. They should get their land's worth and the government should make sure that they should not struggle in life because of this cause. That will resolve the issue.

I've a strong feeling that Govt. wants to protect the bar hotel owners and other abkari businessmen/liquor barrons because it's they who financially support the politicians during the elections.
That's why all the parties are united in this case.:lol:

45 metre width is mandatory for our roads. We should look at future also. It will be even more difficult to widen the road to 45 metres or even 30 metres after 20 years. So, we should not waste time. There is no gain without any pain. But the government should pay good compensation to those who are evicted from their land. We should respect their them as they compromise for our nation's development. They should get their land's worth and we should make sure that they should not struggle in their life because of this cause. That will resolve the issue.
I know that for the Mahe bypass the compensation offered is near the market value. So for the Azhiyur to Muzhippilangad stretch , the land owners are ready to give up 45 metres land ( anyway 45 metres was marked for the bypass more than 20 years back , so nobody has any problem). I think the real problem is the down south stretch which is affecting the highway development for the whole state.

^^ Yes and the Azhiyur-Vadakara stretch has enough land already acquired that too without much difficulty. It is much easy to evict residential areas. They just need to be given proper compensation. The problem makers are mainly commercial shop owners and also those bar hotel owners as Krishna rightly said. They have much influence on all political parties. To solve this problem construct long bypasses which will avoid all the towns and commercial areas. Eventually those shops will lose importance since most of the traffic will go through the bypass.

^^ Yes and the Azhiyur-Vadakara stretch has enough land already acquired that too without much difficulty. It is much easy to evict residential areas. They just need to be given proper compensation. The problem makers are mainly commercial shop owners and also those bar hotel owners as Krishna rightly said. They have much influence on all political parties. To solve this problem construct long bypasses which will avoid all the towns and commercial areas. Eventually those shops will lose importance since most of the traffic will go through the bypass.

Aslesh i have traveled through the current Kannur bypass which ends some where in out skirts of the city, think its Thazhey Chowa...So can u enlighten me on the correct alignment of kannur bypass..will the bypass grow from thazhey chowa to reach some where near pallikunnu?? and how about talassery bypass, does it spoils the environment of the marshy areas around talassery when it is build or will it goes more east on solid grounds??

Here we go! :cheers1:

Sudheesh bhai, thanks for the name suggestion! And shall I request you to move our NH development discussions from Calicut thread to this one please? Thanks :)

Congrats! :)

Aslesh i have traveled through the current Kannur bypass which ends some where in out skirts of the city, think its Thazhey Chowa...So can u enlighten me on the correct alignment of kannur bypass..will the bypass grow from thazhey chowa to reach some where near pallikunnu?? and how about talassery bypass, does it spoils the environment of the marshy areas around talassery when it is build or will it goes more east on solid grounds??
Sanju, no idea about the exact route. Attaching the following from the Environmental Impact Assessment document for the project :

Ecological Resources
Flora
The major ecological component in the project corridor is represented by the roadside vegetation all along the stretch varying in densities and composition. The girth class distribution also indicates that there is considerable difference in distribution of age classes. These are primarily broad-leaved species and include Cocos nucifera, Areca catechu, Anacardium occidentale, Acacia auriculiformes, Tamarindus indica, Cassia spp., Delonix regia,Terminalia catappa, Azadirachta indica, Swietenia spp. Artocarpus integrifolia etc. This vegetation not only provides shade but also provide fruits, flowers, fuelwood and small timber for the roadside communities.
The corridor along the proposed bypasses has a much larger number of trees most of which are fruit-bearing and these include Cocos nucifera, Areca catechu, Artocarpus integrifolia, and Mangifera indica. Some mangrove vegetation occurs along the banks of backwaters and major rivers. Mangrove vegetation has representation of species like Avicennia spp., Sonneratia spp. and Rhizophora spp.
The Institute of Ocean Management has identified some ecologically important mangrove areas in Kannur of these three such areas at Dharmadam- Edakkad, Dharmadam Puzha& Anjrakandipuzah and Valapattanam estuary come within the indirect area area of influence. These mangrove vegetation have species like Avicennia marina, Rhizophora mucronata, Excoecaria agallocha, Acrostichum aureum, Acanthus illicifolius and Cerebra manghas.
The aquatic flora of the different water bodies in the project area of influence is represented by a variety of floating, emergent, marginal and submerged vegetation. Phytoplanktons are represented by blue green algae, green algae, diatoms, dinoflagellates etc.
Some reserved forests/ vested forests of Kannur Forest Division will fall in the indirect area of influence of the project.

Sachin, what do u mean by indirect area of influence? will it mean that, it may not directily influence the eco system but there are effects which may indirectily damage the environment??

No idea Sanju...just quoting from the official document...unfortunately the document does not specify a map of the affected areas..

Aslesh i have traveled through the current Kannur bypass which ends some where in out skirts of the city, think its Thazhey Chowa...So can u enlighten me on the correct alignment of kannur bypass..will the bypass grow from thazhey chowa to reach some where near pallikunnu?? and how about talassery bypass, does it spoils the environment of the marshy areas around talassery when it is build or will it goes more east on solid grounds??

The bypass you travelled is Chovva-Chala-Nadal bypass which was meant to avoid two railway level crossings. The proposed Kannur bypass starts from Valapattanam and ends in Nadal. It will start as a new valapattanam bridge from pappinissery chunkam and crosses the river towards east. Then it moves parallel to Kakkad river. It crosses the Puthiyatheru-Mayyil road near Kattampalli and the Mele Chovva-Mattannur road near Munderi sub station. Then it will merge with Chovva-Nadal bypass near Kizhuthalli. Early I had posted the alignment which I had prepared based on a news paper report. Reposting it now. It may not be accurate.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5009/bypass.jpg

Thalassery-Mahe bypass starts from Muzhappilangad and ends at Azhiyur near Mahe. It is a decades old alignment. Not sure how much marshy land will be affected. But we cant have a bypass for thalassery without affecting the marshy lands. The wetland starts from thalassery and stretches upto pinarayi. Otherwise bypass will have to go through kuthuparamba. :lol:

The news report has got the width wrong. It is 30 meters not 30 feet.

NH development: Kerala's all-party team to meet PM this week
Updated on Monday, May 03, 2010, 17:33 IST

Thiruvananthapuram: An all-party delegation from Kerala will meet Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in New Delhi on Wednesday to take up certain specific demands of the state concerning National Highway development, Chief Minister VS Achuthanandan said here Monday.

One of the main demands was that the width of the NH in the state should be limited to 30 feet, considering acute pressure on land, Achuthanandan told reporters after a cabinet meeting.

The state was also against the 'BOT' route in highway development arguing it would amount to taxing the people for long. Instead, the LDF Government had been pressing the Centre to shell out its own funds for road development.

http://www.zeenews.com/news623873.html

Very good initiative by forumers
I grenerally enter this forum to see what happening in our surrondings
like all of you I also love my country
If anyone comes out from their home then only they kows how it is worth

Any way this is discussion forum of kerala development We need roads,Ports and Airports
as good infrastructure
btw our airports are far better than our highways

Does how any people like the infrastructural development
if we go through thes kind of land aqusition createra what will give back to us?
there is many example of Kothi palam,Calicut airport expansion
at general we feels everybody is supporting development
but the real fact is that nobdy support it eve let or right even before land survey for proposed express highway people from mlappuram (pulikkal area )started agitation and warned against any land aquicition,where these area including Calicut Airport is strong base of keralas right wing
comes to any other thing now it is comtrust and kinaloor we can understand solidaritys mission for undeveloped india,But from right wing I never expet these

I am in Dammam and every weekends we travels to Riyadh many of my friends from koduvally areas says about the highway which some times take more than 30 km for an exit should be in our area also

but these people even the budget allocation is there will not all any thing now it is from right after one year it is from left
we really fedup yaar

Tamils are far better than these idotic leadeship of Kerala

I cant even imagine the proposed coastel highway will ever been going to come true
because it is going through dese populated area I dont given any cirtificate to any one


but we have to change our attitude Building many nation by we Indians and we proud of it, but we are so bad position to develop ourself

NHAI chief, TKA Nair hold talks

B Sreejan
First Published : 16 May 2010 03:16:11 AM IST
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) is planning a final round of effort to save the National Highway Development Programme in Kerala.

The attempt is to convince the Ministers and other opinion makers about the necessity of a wider and safer road and get their consent for the project.

The NHAI’s suggestion to upgrade NH-17 and NH-47 to 45-metre highways was dismissed by the State Government and major political parties which wanted only 30-m wide highways in the State.

“The opposition of most of the people, including politicians, is without knowing the facts. We are sure that they will change their mindset once the facts are revealed,’’ said top sources at NHAI.

``The number of families to be evicted for developing NH-17 and NH-47 to 45-m is less than 12,000. Every year around 36,000 people are seriously injured in road accidents in Kerala. Compare these statistics. The only way to improve safety measures is widening of roads,’’ said Alex Thomas, state council member of CII, who too part in Saturday’s meeting.

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/nhai-chief-tka-nair-hold-talks/173823.html

Yevadey? Aarod parayan? Ee naadu nannavilla.

Paditham kazhinjal udan gulfil joli. "Nammude naadum puragamikkunnund". Paditham kazhinjal naadu vitt pokendi varunnathalle naadinte purogamanam. That is our attitude. It wont change.

NHAI chief, TKA Nair hold talks

B Sreejan
First Published : 16 May 2010 03:16:11 AM IST
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) is planning a final round of effort to save the National Highway Development Programme in Kerala.

The attempt is to convince the Ministers and other opinion makers about the necessity of a wider and safer road and get their consent for the project.

The NHAI’s suggestion to upgrade NH-17 and NH-47 to 45-metre highways was dismissed by the State Government and major political parties which wanted only 30-m wide highways in the State.

“The opposition of most of the people, including politicians, is without knowing the facts. We are sure that they will change their mindset once the facts are revealed,’’ said top sources at NHAI.

``The number of families to be evicted for developing NH-17 and NH-47 to 45-m is less than 12,000. Every year around 36,000 people are seriously injured in road accidents in Kerala. Compare these statistics. The only way to improve safety measures is widening of roads,’’ said Alex Thomas, state council member of CII, who too part in Saturday’s meeting.

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/nhai-chief-tka-nair-hold-talks/173823.html

NH widening - what is the proposed plan for Calicut City
I want to know whether NH widening in Calicut is through bye-pass or city area .

It is through the bypass. ^^

^^ Calicut bypass already has enough land to develop it to 45mtre 4line.

http://i42.tinypic.com/mhc7eu.jpg

The map has so many mistakes. Muzhappilangad is shown as north of Edakkad which is wrong. Kannur bypass ends at Edakkad but it's shown at Dharmadam in the map. Thalassery bypass starts at Muzhappilangad but this too is shown as Dharmadam in the map. Kozhikode bypass is shown to be ending at Kallayi. Surely there may be more mistakes. :lol:

Yes. He may have thought that only.
By area of the corporation, it may be the fourth largest one. But corporation, municipalities etc. are created for the local administration purpose and many times politics plays a role in deciding those limits. In my opinion just the area of the corporation or municipalities doesnt decide the size of the cities. If so we have some other municipalities which are bigger in area than places like Kannur, Kottayam etc. Just by that, we cannot say that they are bigger cities/ towns than Kannur Kottayam etc.

This municpality Tag is hampering the propects of some of the important cities and their districts in Kerala - This is most evident in Kottayam's case (unless these places should be in some other region of Kerala).
There won't be much Govt. support as for corporations regarding city/town development.

Also, there's more chance that people underestimate the potential of these places. It's clear in the case of Kottayam airport project itself, regarding the passenger throuput and viability etc. (Just to remind, the airport project is not for the municipal area alone, but for the whole central travancore region, so there will be sufficient passenger traffic).

That's how the 3 international airports of Kerala are surviving (They've to depend on neigbouring districts also for sufficient air traffic).

They usually make statements like /raise doubts: 'How Kottayam figured in the list ?etc.

BTW, some of the 'megapolises' of Kerala had their airports established when they too were bearing the 'municpality' tag, that too several decades ago, when the population and passenger traffic (and also ATF price) were much less than that of today.:lol:

The map has so many mistakes. Muzhappilangad is shown as north of Edakkad which is wrong. Kannur bypass ends at Edakkad but it's shown at Dharmadam in the map. Thalassery bypass starts at Muzhappilangad but this too is shown as Dharmadam in the map. Kozhikode bypass is shown to be ending at Kallayi. Surely there may be more mistakes. :lol:
Yes Aslesh, quite a few mistakes in the map. eg the Mahe bypass is shown ending at Nadapuram Road when it actually ends at Azhiyur. Still decided to attach the map because it is from the official project report of the road widening. Hope they dont do the actual road widening based on this map. The confusion will never end. :lol:

Is this the map they are going to use? That is quite irresponsible to use such a map in an official project report. :bash:

Good reply. So as per your reply, and if the figures given in the following link are correct, our Taliparamba, Payyannur, Thalassery etc. are bigger cities/ towns than Kannur, Kottayam etc. (I dont know whether any body is going to agree this). As per the logic of your reply, Kannur district itself, we have 3 bigger cities/ towns than kannur. What a joke. Only thing we can say that they are bigger municipalities. Not bigger cities.
http://cyberjournalist.org.in/towns.html
However since the thread is dedicated to Railways, I m stopping the subject here.

Absolutely right. That's why Kollam, Alappuzha,Kottayam, Trichur, Palakkad and Kannur are considered as tier-2 (TVM, Cochin and Calicut as Tier 1) or (TVM and Cochin T1, Calicut T2 and the above mentioned 6 cities as T3?) cities in Kerala.

It all depends on the development,importance of the cities, the dependence on these cities by their hinterlands/catchment area or other towns etc. and in no way related to the 'municipality' or 'corporation' criterion as some people believe.

^^There is always a dispute about the first City of Kerala. And same way
about the fourth city!!

But never ever a dispute about the Third City LOL:lol:

^^There is always a dispute about the first City of Kerala. And same way
about the fourth city!!

But never ever a dispute about the Third City LOL:lol:

Ha ha. ellam oru 'Maya' or 'Mayam' cherkkal (for rashtriya labham)? Kadappad politiciansinodu. :lol:

^^There is always a dispute about the first City of Kerala. And same way
about the fourth city!!

But never ever a dispute about the Third City LOL:lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

It could have been better than that level, thanks to the step motherly treatment given to it since kerala state was born...until then it was commercially important center in south india...even cyber park is a long over due for us....

Absolutely right. That's why Kollam, Alappuzha,Kottayam, Trichur, Palakkad and Kannur are considered as tier-2 (TVM, Cochin and Calicut as Tier 1) or (TVM and Cochin T1, Calicut T2 and the above mentioned 6 cities as T3?) cities in Kerala.
It all depends on the development,importance of the cities, the dependence on these cities by their hinterlands/catchment area or other towns etc. and in no way related to the 'municipality' or 'corporation' criterion as some people believe.

That make some sense.

Central team arriving in Kerala on 20th and 21st for talks on NH width.

http://indiavisiontv.com/news/18-MAY-2010/kerala-nh-meet.html

National Highways: Centre may put pressure on State
Special Correspondent

The Centre is likely to put pressure on the State government to agree to retain the stipulated 45-metre width for the development of the two national highways.

Union Minister of State for Road Transport and Highways R.P.N. Singh and a delegation of officials of the National Highways Authority of India are slated to hold discussion with the Chief Minister and State officials here on Thursday as a follow-up of the recent visit to Delhi of an all-party delegation, led by the Chief Minister.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/kerala/article433842.ece

Veraru sammadichalum CM sammadikkilla.

Btw is this service road needed for the 45 m highway? Instead can we go for six laning now itself? Or just leave the space for six lanes. If separation is done now for the four lanes and the service lanes then won't that create problems during six laning? I don't have much knowledge about it. Can some body explain?

Btw is this service road needed for the 45 m highway? Instead can we go for six laning now itself? Or just leave the space for six lanes. If separation is done now for the four lanes and the service lanes then won't that create problems during six laning? I don't have much knowledge about it. Can some body explain?
:lol: ...four lane aakenda peda paadu kaanunille....six lane .....nalla thamasha...njammalum koodi kotte Asleshe ee sundara kinaavu kanaan

Btw is this service road needed for the 45 m highway? Instead can we go for six laning now itself? Or just leave the space for six lanes. If separation is done now for the four lanes and the service lanes then won't that create problems during six laning? I don't have much knowledge about it. Can some body explain?
Construction of 6 laning is not feasible by now,because the estimate is calculated for a 4 lane highway.If the meaning of "Service" is known such doubts won't arise and give clarity on the importance of Service Roads.

Service = Sevanam.

Anyway,the below quote from IRC may clear your doubt.I hope.:)

“The concept of service roads or frontage roads has relevance in limiting the access on the Main Highway while simultaneously meeting the demands of the abutting land owners for ingress and egress. Such service roads can prevent the congestion caused on the Main Highway due to purely local traffic and at the same time reduce the capacity. It is recommended that service roads be insisted upon along all Highways where ribbon development has already taken place as also along new bypasses where there is feared in the near future. It would be advantageous to acquire land for service roads sufficiently in advance even though their construction may not come up for some time."
:cheers:

:lol: ...four lane aakenda peda paadu kaanunille....six lane .....nalla thamasha...njammalum koodi kotte Asleshe ee sundara kinaavu kanaan

Ithaara? :nuts:

30m is enough for six lanes with a narrow median. It is due to this wide median and service lanes they are demanding 45m for four lanes. Now if this service road is avoided then we can make 30m highway with a wide median. If restriction is imposed for construction on both sides the highway may be after some decades land can be acquired for six laning. But if a four lane highway with service lanes is made now we can never have a six lane highway. That is why I am asking is this service roads really needed? Can't that space be used for six lane highway later.

Construction of 6 laning is not feasible by now,because the estimate is calculated for a 4 lane highway.If the meaning of "Service" is known such doubts won't arise and give clarity on the importance of Service Roads.

Service = Sevanam.

Anyway,the below quote from IRC may clear your doubt.I hope.:)


:cheers:

But in Kerala we don't have much difference between highway traffic and local traffic. Say we may able to avoid two wheelers, three wheelers etc. But is that needed in the whole length of the NH-17. We can have that in big cities.

Centre rejected the proposal of reduction of RoW from 45m to 30m.This was informed by the Central Minister Shri.R.P.N Singh during the meeting with CM.:)
But the CM says it won't be allowed the RoW more than 30m.:nuts:

Source (http://www.metrovaartha.com/2010/05/20155441/NATIONAL-HIGHWAY-KEARALA.html)

For 4 lane :
http://morth.nic.in/index3.asp?sublink2id=338&langid=2

For 6 lane :
http://dorth.gov.in/index3.asp?sublink2id=339&langid=2

We can have that in big cities.
This is very funny.All the arguments from the politicians & "Veeran" like buji's are based on this "Keralathinte Prathyeka Saahacharyam Kanakkileduthu....","Keralathe Motham Oru Nagaramaayi Kanakkaakki..." etc etc..

In that case why can't be???We can't predict when,where the development happen...

But in Kerala we don't have much difference between highway traffic and local traffic. Say we may able to avoid two wheelers, three wheelers etc. But is that needed in the whole length of the NH-17. We can have that in big cities.
It need not be now for the whole length..But in very very near future we may need..

30m is enough for six lanes with a narrow median. It is due to this wide median and service lanes they are demanding 45m for four lanes. Now if this service road is avoided then we can make 30m highway with a wide median. If restriction is imposed for construction on both sides the highway may be after some decades land can be acquired for six laning. But if a four lane highway with service lanes is made now we can never have a six lane highway. That is why I am asking is this service roads really needed? Can't that space be used for six lane highway later.
What you mean by 30m??Is it Pavement Width or RoW??
What is a narrow median??What should be the width??
Or What is a wide median??What should be the width??
Don't simply say narrow/wide...

No need for waiting decades..Service Roads are essentially needed especially in Kerala considering the increase of PCU yearly.

But what about the restrictions it will impose on the local people? A person living near the highway has to enter the service road and go to the next major junction to enter the highway. It will be much more difficult to reach the other side. I repeat it can be used in cities and suburbs. But for the entire length from Kasargod to trivandrum it will create lot of problems for the people on both sides of the highway. Unlike other states there are indeed lot of people residing on both sides of the highway between cities. But in other states if you leave the city there is only barren land on both sides.

http://i48.tinypic.com/nwc9c6.jpg

What you mean by 30m??Is it Pavement Width or RoW??
What is a narrow median??What should be the width??
Or What is a wide median??What should be the width??
Don't simply say narrow/wide...

No need for waiting decades..Service Roads are essentially needed especially in Kerala considering the increase of PCU yearly.

Why? Are you going to hire me as civil engineer for highway construction if I give answer to all your questions. From a layman's point of view narrow means narrow and wide means wide. What if I simply say narrow/wide? Thaan entho cheyyum? :nuts:

By narrow median I mind the usual ones we see in city roads. Wide means which is proposed for the new national highway. I mean the kind of 4-5 metre wide median. With 30 metres can't we have a four lane highway with such a wide median if we avoided the service lanes?

If you are so keen about access controlled highway then the abandoned express highway project was much better than this. Passing through less populated areas it would have affected much less number of families than this one.

For 4 lane :
http://morth.nic.in/index3.asp?sublink2id=338&langid=2

For 6 lane :
http://dorth.gov.in/index3.asp?sublink2id=339&langid=2
It is been there in there in the websites of MORTH (erstwhile MOSRTH) and NHAI from 2007.
But what about the restrictions it will impose on the local people? A person living near the highway has to enter the service road and go to the next major junction to enter the highway. It will be much more difficult to reach the other side. I repeat it can be used in cities and suburbs. But for the entire length from Kasargod to trivandrum it will create lot of problems for the people on both sides of the highway. Unlike other states there are indeed lot of people residing on both sides of the highway between cities. But in other states if you leave the city there is only barren land on both sides.
The answer is in the Manual itself you referred.One need not go to the next junction.This drawing is a suggestive one with a break in between.See Clause 2.2.1.
Why? Are you going to hire me as civil engineer for highway construction if I give answer to all your questions..
Same for you..:lol:
If you are so keen about access controlled highway then the abandoned express highway project was much better than this. Passing through less populated areas it would have affected much less number of families than this one.
No where I discussed about FULLY access controlled highway.
What if I simply say narrow/wide? Thaan entho cheyyum? :nuts:
If you are here for a healthy discussion,I'm here;else I give up.Atha njaan cheyyunne..:bash:Nothing else.First you decide what you going to do??:)

Why? Are you going to hire me as civil engineer for highway construction if I give answer to all your questions. From a layman's point of view narrow means narrow and wide means wide. What if I simply say narrow/wide? Thaan entho cheyyum? :nuts:

By narrow median I mind the usual ones we see in city roads. Wide means which is proposed for the new national highway. I mean the kind of 4-5 metre wide median. With 30 metres can't we have a four lane highway with such a wide median if we avoided the service lanes?

If you are so keen about access controlled highway then the abandoned express highway project was much better than this. Passing through less populated areas it would have affected much less number of families than this one.

Aslesh,

I have travelled/ stayed in many parts of the world including under developed, developing and developed nations in different continents. In my view most of your apprehentions are just because of limited knowledge on the subject. Even countires like Sudan, Kenya and Srilanka have much better highways and freeways (not to mention Europe and US). Road network in Singapore (which is densely populated than kerala) and Saudi Arabian cities are amazing. I have not seen people being divided across the highways or facing difficulties whereas they enjoy better connectivity (physical) and easy access.

Also, in modern highway concept median is much more than a divider of two lanes. BTW, I am into these subjects (highways, airports, buildings etc) and seen many many designs in my 19 years career. Engineers normally explain with drawings and sketches (not in words). So, it's difficult for me to explain further.

Ha Ha, Asleshetta, Snehamullathu Kondu Parayuva, Nammal 'Alum Tharavum, Type of Blog / discussion forum (personal or public)' okke Nokki venam perumaran. Allengil Bhavishyathu Bheekaramayirikkum. Nammale chilar 'Sherupeduthi Kalayum'.

healthy discussion? Two days back, when I mentioned about 'Kottayam airport' in Trivandrum discussion forum, I too expected a healthy discussion.

Ennittendhayi? :ohno:

healthy discussion? Two days back, when I mentioned about 'Kottayam airport' in Trivandrum discussion forum, I too expected a healthy discussion.

Ennittendhayi? :ohno:
Kottayam Airport discussion should be in Kottayam Thread.NOT in TVM thread..:lol:
I think this thread is to discuss about Kerala NOT a particular district or region..:lol:

Ha Ha, Asleshetta, Snehamullathu Kondu Parayuva, Nammal 'Alum Tharavum, Type of Blog / discussion forum (personal or public)' okke Nokki venam perumaran. Allengil Bhavishyathu Bheekaramayirikkum. Nammale chilar 'Sherupeduthi Kalayum'.
Nee enthinaa ellareyum keri angu snehikkunnathu??Aalum tharavum nokki pore??:lol:

^^
I can give befitting reply to all these. But I won't.

How muchever you provoke me, I'm not going to respond to this.

^^Krishna, I think you too are also going overboad with your requests and whining regarding Kottayam/ Airport.


What significance do 'Kottayam Airport' have while the discussion is on User Fee at Trivandrum Airport??

Similarly what it has to do with 'Mysore Airport' thread?

What it has to do with 'Forums, Complaints & suggestions thread'?

What it has to with 'Skyprince's India trip' thread?


Please do not be a laughing stock everywhere, in all threads!!.

Here what Ajith is saying is on the background as an experienced highway engineer, who is executing projects under NHAI.

As a Civil Engineer with 'Transportation Engineering & (Railway Engineering)' as my electives;), I totally agree with Ajith. I will also be jotting down my observations here

^^
I can give befitting reply to all these. But I won't.

How muchever you provoke me, I'm not going to respond to this.
See sakrishna..you are just a kid for me..Just you out of engg coll.athinte ahankaram aanel venda..When I entered into engg..you might not have even born..Sorry boy..

@Sudheesh..
Not only NHs..expressways too:)

^^Krishna, I think you too are also going overboad with your requests and whining regarding Kottayam/ Airport.


What significance do 'Kottayam Airport' have while the discussion is on User Fee at Trivandrum Airport??

Similarly what it has to do with 'Mysore Airport' thread?

What it has to do with 'Forums, Complaints & suggestions thread'?

What it has to with 'Skyprince's India trip' thread?


Please do not be a laughing stock everywhere, in all threads!!.

Here what Ajith is saying is on the background as an experienced highway engineer, who is executing projects under NHAI.

As a Civil Engineer with 'Transportation Engineering & (Railway Engineering)' as my electives;), I totally agree with Ajith. I will also be jotting down my observations here

Okay. You may be right.

When few people had discussions on people of Central Travacore depending on using Trivandrum airport, I mentioned that people of C.T actually want have a new airport in their place.

VJFile responded it properly.

If people didn't like it, can't they respond properly?

If you can ban me, you can do that also, If my behaviour is bad. I haven't promised to anyone that I'll be in SSC for these many years etc.

See sakrishna..you are just a kid for me..Just you out of engg coll.athinte ahankaram aanel venda..When I entered into engg..you might not have even born..Sorry boy..

I know how to behave to people who are elder to me. I respect those who are elder to me, but who behave to me properly.

I don't have any ahangaram.

But is it because I'm just a kid to you, you started abusing me that day?

If you didn't like my comment, you could've responded to me in a more polite way.

VJ File reacted to my comment politely and I also responded in the same manner.

When you started abusing me, I told you I wasn't for a war.

But you didn't care and started abusing me like anything so I was forced to respond back in the same manner.

I also responded in the same manner as SajithVijayan and mmmcet behaved to me.

Were you taking revenge for 'my support to AAJACOB' that day?

I'd like to know the reason.

Also, Please forgive me for what happened from my side that day.

^^The answer for all these are there in Sudheesh's post above...:)
I'm always for TRUE discussions...Thats it..:cheers:

Krishna, my point is why are you 'poking' unnecessarily in to everything. As I said, this 'whining' regarding Airport was rampant and no surprise if anybody mocked at it. And your replies were also not 'decent'. You had brought it to my notice and I had deleted them all, right? Here also you are opening up at the chapter for no reason (Here Ajith has no way communicating to you) and bringing it up again and again.

Here also you are the person jumping in with some other agenda, when the 'discussion is about a different thing'

Regarding 'ban'; hey Krishna, come on, why should be you on my radar?, you are so far not at all a trouble maker for me, I have some guys(with multiple ids) in the list, and I have been considerate so far and even if your turn comes, it would be very last in the queue.;)

Okay. You may be right.

When few people had discussions on people of Central Travacore depending on using Trivandrum airport, I mentioned that people of C.T actually want have a new airport in their place.

VJFile responded it properly.

If people didn't like it, can't they respond properly?

If you can ban me, you can do that also, If my behaviour is bad. I haven't promised to anyone that I'll be in SSC for these many years etc.

Now back to the topic...
The central team has rejected the "All Party's Plea" for reduction of RoW to 30m from 45m.:)
The final decision may be delayed for some time;may be only after local bodies election to protect the "All Party's Image"..:lol:

If you are here for a healthy discussion,I'm here;else I give up.Atha njaan cheyyunne..:bash:Nothing else.First you decide what you going to do??:)

So you are here for healthy discussion. Sorry aalu maari poyi kshamikkanam.

I was just commenting on a public issue and even I asked if somebody can clear my doubts regarding this. You were questioning me like if I am attending an interview and you were in the interview board. How many meters? how many kilometers? See this is just a public forum. You are not my boss. Here both of us are members of equal status. I can't respect you if you can't give me respect!

LATEST NEWS:

Just now a meeting of CII, Chamber of Commerce, TDF & TATF with the Union Minister of State, for Road Transport and Highways Sri. R. P. N Singh has concluded in Leela Kempinski, Kovalam, Trivandrum. Our friend Ajay Prasad had represented TDF for the meeting.

They had strongly advocated the need for retaining the highway width as 45m. Minister made it clear that some 35000 people would be fully or partially affected by the NH development from Kasargod to Parassala and they are planning a relief package for them.

@ Sudeeshettan and Ajithv.

Agreed. Kshemiiku - lack of Maturity. yet to be a proffesional. ;)

Also, please delete all those posts related to me in this thread, I don't want to be laughing stock anymore. :)

But what about the restrictions it will impose on the local people? A person living near the highway has to enter the service road and go to the next major junction to enter the highway. It will be much more difficult to reach the other side.

"Kuch Paane keliye Kuch Khona Padtha hai". I think this is the apt saying regarding the highway width.

Today also I saw in the newspapers that two scientist couples were killed in NH 47 as a truck rammed in their car when they were driving back from Calicut to Trivandrum. We are seeing many head on collisions like this every day. If you have a properly designed highway, wide medians, crash barriers etc majority of such mishaps could be avoided.

You have to be 'in the shoe to feel the pinch'.. I am not sure how many of us here do long distance/interstate/highway drives (stretching for 10 hours or more continously). I do that I know the difficulties we face in our highways.

We have been 'spoilt' by the habit of taking U turns wherever we want in an undivided carriageway. This habit has to change and there would be obviously a 'resistance to change'. You have to go a few kms if you have to take your vehicle to the other side, it is the norm followed in most developed/developing nations and in our neighbouring states.

The width of median being 4.5 m has several implied benefits.


It can lessen the chances of vehicles crashing and jumping the medians.


Can avoid collisions to a great extent if there are proper crash barriers.


Can minimise the head light glare of vehicles in the opposite lane. By proper landscaping, this can be achieved more effectively. (Small bushes which block the head lamps, but not overall visibility).


It will help to accomadate a 'turning lane' of 3 m. It is a common sight in our 4 lane stretches, a vehicle which is about to take a u turn, blocking your lane. I makes you panicky, you try to brake or weave out of the lane to the next lane unexpectedly, coming on to the vehicles on that lane. This turning lane helps to accomdate such vehicles so that the traffic on the 'fast lane' is unhindered.


See here the advantages of being a 4.5 m median. In the second pic it enables easy U turns.

Vedasandur Bypass

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1705/img4525i.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5696/img4527i.jpg

Shot Using Canon PowerShot S5 IS (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2572/s5is02.jpg) on 01.05.2010

Aslesh,

I have travelled/ stayed in many parts of the world including under developed, developing and developed nations in different continents. In my view most of your apprehentions are just because of limited knowledge on the subject. Even countires like Sudan, Kenya and Srilanka have much better highways and freeways (not to mention Europe and US). Road network in Singapore (which is densely populated than kerala) and Saudi Arabian cities are amazing. I have not seen people being divided across the highways or facing difficulties whereas they enjoy better connectivity (physical) and easy access.

Also, in modern highway concept median is much more than a divider of two lanes. BTW, I am into these subjects (highways, airports, buildings etc) and seen many many designs in my 19 years career. Engineers normally explain with drawings and sketches (not in words). So, it's difficult for me to explain further.
Oho athokke sheri thanne. Pakshe maash paranj vannath enthann manassilayalla. So is it really needed to make a highway with service road from kasargod to trivandrum?

One year back I had been to this thrissur-angamali highway under construction. At that time itself I had faced its problems. I had went for a marriage in a church near kodakara. The church was on a small pocket road joining the highway. The brides home was on the other side of the highway. It was almost directly opposite to the church. But due to the wonderful architecture of the highway we had to drive all the vehicles almost 500 m to one side then take a U turn then come back to the same position opposite side of road. That too was when the highway was almost vacant without much vehicles. It was village area without much rush in the road.

At that time there was no service road. The problem was just due to the median. Now I can imagine what will happen if service road was there. Ith kenyayum ugandayum onnumalla keralaman. Here lot of people live directly on the sides of highway. Then there is a huge population connected to the small pocket roads connected to the highway. If you are going to control their access to the highway it will make their life miserable. I am not against highway widening. It can be 4 lane, 6 lane or 8 lane or whatever. It can be 30m, 45m or even 100ms. But this access controlling thing is unwanted especially in rural settings.

"Kuch Paane keliye Kuch Khona Padtha hai". I think this is the apt saying regarding the highway width.

Today also I saw in the newspapers that two scientist couples were killed in NH 47 as a truck rammed in their car when they were driving back from Calicut to Trivandrum. We are seeing many head on collisions like this every day. If you have a properly designed highway, wide medians, crash barriers etc majority of such mishaps could be avoided.

You have to be 'in the shoe to feel the pinch'.. I am not sure how many of us here do long distance/interstate/highway drives (stretching for 10 hours or more continously). I do that I know the difficulties we face in our highways.

We have been 'spoilt' by the habit of taking U turns wherever we want in an undivided carriageway. This habit has to change and there would be obviously a 'resistance to change'. You have to go a few kms if you have to take your vehicle to the other side, it is the norm followed in most developed/developing nations and in our neighbouring states.

The width of median being 4.5 m has several implied benefits.


It can lessen the chances of vehicles crashing and jumping the medians.


Can avoid collisions to a great extent if there are proper crash barriers.


Can minimise the head light glare of vehicles in the opposite lane. By proper landscaping, this can be achieved more effectively. (Small bushes which block the head lamps, but not overall visibility).


It will help to accomadate a 'turning lane' of 3 m. It is a common sight in our 4 lane stretches, a vehicle which is about to take a u turn, blocking your lane. I makes you panicky, you try to brake or weave out of the lane to the next lane unexpectedly, coming on to the vehicles on that lane. This turning lane helps to accomdate such vehicles so that the traffic on the 'fast lane' is unhindered.


See here the advantages of being a 4.5 m median. In the second pic it enables easy U turns.

Yea I understand the advantages of wide medians. But you can have a four lane highway with everything except the service roads in just 30m. See the picture which sanju had posted in thrissur thread.
http://i43.tinypic.com/21e6f76.jpg
The service road is not yet constructed. Isn't it enough for a four lane highway? Now they have separated the main carriageway with the service lane. How can they go for a six lane in future? If the service lane was not constructed then they can widen it in the near future itself to make it a six lane.

So you are hear for healthy discussion. Sorry aalu maari poyi kshamikkanam.

I was just commenting on a public issue and even I asked if somebody can clear my doubts regarding this. You were questioning me like if I am attending an interview and you were in the interview board. How many meters? how many kilometers? See this just a public forum. You are not my boss. Here both of us are members of equal status. I can't respect you if you can't give me respect!
I didn't ask you should respect me or I'm your boss or so..:)
I know this is a public forum..So I also asked you a "clarification.":lol:

What I believe is "LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS INDEED DANGEROUS".Anyway I've no intention to increase the same for anybody.I'm mentioning/posting what I know.If anything wrong in that all are welcome to correct it.:)

Here,you asked for a clarification and I replied with a valid source.From your next reply it was clear that you didn't gone through that properly.I've seen so many such comments that narrow/wide not only in SSCI.Thats why I asked you that.If you didn't like that you can respond in a descent way..Instead of "Thaan entho cheyyum?:nuts:".

Chilappo Enikkum Enthenkilum Cheyyan Pattiyaloo??:lol:

Enna cheyy kanatte. :P I admit I didn't respond in a decent way and that was purposeful. You asked too many question and I got offended. It wasn't like asking clarification. I felt it was like an interrogation. You may be a knowledgeable person in this subject. But that doesn't mean that I have to admit whatever you say. I have my own viewpoint about things and that is what I was trying to say. There may be so many things in other subjects which I know and you may not know. You may not be expecting respect from me but I expected it from you. Sorry njan paranjille aalu maari poyi. Kshamikoo.

But due to the wonderful architecture of the highway we had to drive all the vehicles almost 500 m to one side then take a U turn then come back to the same position opposite side of road.
Again See the Clause 2.1.1 of Manual...Whether it is Kerala or Bihar or Kashmir all these specifications are same.
Yea I understand the advantages of wide medians. But you can have a four lane highway with everything except the service roads in just 30m. See the picture which sanju had posted in thrissur thread.
http://i43.tinypic.com/21e6f76.jpg
The service road is not yet constructed. Isn't it enough for a four lane highway? Now they have separated the main carriageway with the service lane. How can they go for a six lane in future? If the service lane was not constructed then they can widen it in the near future itself to make it a six lane.
This already discussed above.Forget about 6 lane or the present scenario..The highways are designed for a life period of minimum 20 years.It doesn't mean that there won't be any development including widening within this 20 years.The Golden Quadrilateral is executed as 4 lane..within 4-5 years now it is expanding to 6 lanes..So considering the ribbon development and increasing PCU it is a MUST,there shall be service road.Now it is to be constructed in already built-up area and the remaining in future.

If the local vehicles are allowed as it is now with sudden entry to Main Highway,the accidents are more because of the reason the highways are designed with a design speed of 100kmph.So it is evident that vehicles will move more than that even upto 120-14okmph.So even in other states these are happening (many records are there with NHAI) it may be happen more in Kerala.

Enna cheyy kanatte. :P
Samayam Aavatte..:)
Enna cheyy kanatte. :P I admit I didn't respond in a decent way and that was purposeful. You asked too many question and I got offended. It wasn't like asking clarification. I felt it was like an interrogation. You may be a knowledgeable person in this subject. But that doesn't mean that I have to admit whatever you say. I have my own viewpoint about things and that is what I was trying to say. There may be so many things in other subjects which I know and you may not know. You may not be expecting respect from me but I expected it from you. Sorry njan paranjille aalu maari poyi. Kshamikoo.
Nobody is Perfect..You or Me..:)

Samayam Aavatte..:)

Njan kaathirikkum... :colgate:


If the local vehicles are allowed as it is now with sudden entry to Main Highway,the accidents are more because of the reason the highways are designed with a design speed of 100kmph.So it is evident that vehicles will move more than that even upto 120-14okmph.So even in other states these are happening (many records are there with NHAI) it may be happen more in Kerala.
So will there be other provisions to enter or cross the highway other than those ramps and under passes shown in the figure?

@Sudheesh,
That spot in the 2nd pic is a "BLACK SPOT".There is a small road (mud road) on the left side joining the main highway.There is an agricultural land in that area.Even after several warnings and information given to the people,they repeatedly trying to cross this highway in two wheelers/bicycles through this point eventhough there is no direct access from the mud road.Just near there is an underpass to cross the highway or another ramp to acces the highway.Normally the vehicles are traveling in highspeeds in this area as it is straight.Once two villagers died on the spot in which I was a witness of that.

Not only this,so many such accidents I witnessed even four wheelers were included.

Thatz why I mentioned,to control the direct access to Main Highway,Service road is must.Also to avoid such accidents.

Just finished watching 'Counterpoint' on Manorama News which was on the NH widening to 45 m. The independent guests Sebastian Paul and Mr Roy were emphatic that 45m wide NH was the only way forward. P Rajeev from CPM was at least decent enough to admit that the all party decision would need to be relooked at keeping in mind the Central minister's suggestions. What left me flabbergasted was Cong representative M I Shahnavas view that they wont agree to anything more than 30m. And the presenter Venu ji - the less said about him the better - he was making statements like 15 lakh people will be displaced ( someone should tell him you shouldnt believe everything that is written in Malayala Manorama and Deshabhimani :lol: ) and that we could solve the problem of road safety on 30 m NH by reducing the speed limit - next time he should go to the bar after the show is over. :cheers:

So will there be other provisions to enter or cross the highway other than those ramps and under passes shown in the figure?
Yes..Also,the Service Road is not continuous..It will have gradual openings to Main Highway at specified intervals.say every 200m in Built up area or more in rural areas.Is this 200m is a huge distance to travel.Further,Median Openings are provided in every 2km(minimum) intervals.In between there may be underpasses or any other structures will be the their to cross the highway.

What left me flabbergasted was Cong representative M I Shahnavas view that they wont agree to anything more than 30m. And the presenter Venu ji - the less said about him the better - he was making statements like 15 lakh people will be displaced ( someone should tell him you shouldnt believe everything that is written in Malayala Manorama and Deshabhimani :lol: ) and that we could solve the problem of road safety on 30 m NH by reducing the speed limit - next time he should go to the bar after the show is over. :cheers:
Such @#$%'s are confused with Road Width & Right of Way..:nuts:

Yes..Also,the Service Road is not continuous..It will have gradual openings to Main Highway at specified intervals.say every 200m in Built up area or more in rural areas.Is this 200m is a huge distance to travel.Further,Median Openings are provided in every 2km(minimum) intervals.In between there may be underpasses or any other structures will be the their to cross the highway.

Yeah 200 m is not so huge distance to travel. But I read in that manual which says underpasses between 2 kms and pedestrian crossing every 500 ms. So if that is true then in the cases like which I experienced in kodakara, some lucky people may need to drive almost 2 kms to reach the opposite side. :D

But if the service road have gradual openings as you said then it will be more dangerous than without service roads. People driving the highway at say 100 km/h may not expect some motorbike or autorikshaw suddenly jumping into their way through an unnoticeable opening in the service road. The result will be beyond words.

As far as I know in Kerala maximum speed limit is 70 km/h for cars. Will our government increase that for this highway? There is no point in having an access control with a speed limit of 70 km/h. I can drive at that speed even in village roads. :lol:

But I read in that manual which says underpasses between 2 kms and pedestrian crossing every 500 ms.
Read carefully again...
"2.2.4 Vehicular Underpasses: Vehicular underpass shall be provided as specified in Schedule B and to connect service roads on both sides of the Project Highway in such a manner that no vehicle is required to travel more than 2 km on service road to approach an underpass for crossing over to the other side."

That means it can be even less than 2km.

"The crossing facilities shall be so planned that pedestrians do not have to walk for more than 0.5 km. to reach the crossing point."

Here also it can be less than 500m.

But if the service road have gradual openings as you said then it will be more dangerous than without service roads. People driving the highway at say 100 km/h may not expect some motorbike or autorikshaw suddenly jumping into their way through an unnoticeable opening in the service road. The result will be beyond words.
Again you have misconception here.Gradual merging is always safer than a sudden merging.The merging is from the left side.The fast moving vehicle won't be in the left extreme lane.Even it will be merged gradually,sufficient safety measures such as proper signboards,speed breakers etc are to be provided.(It is mandatory in the safety point of view).Also to inform the users in the Main Highway proper signboards are also provided.

As far as I know in Kerala maximum speed limit is 70 km/h for cars. Will our government increase that for this highway? There is no point in having an access control with a speed limit of 70 km/h. I can drive at that speed even in village roads. :lol:
The highways are designed for 100kmph design speed.Whether the speed is limited or not its upto the Govt.But you can safely drive in 100kmph.If confident even more.And then why people are still going behind BMW,VW,Benz etc.Will they stop buying or will they drive within 70kmph??NO:lol:

As far as I know in Kerala maximum speed limit is 70 km/h for cars. Will our government increase that for this highway? There is no point in having an access control with a speed limit of 70 km/h. I can drive at that speed even in village roads. :lol:

In village roads you cannot 'cruise' at 70 kph, you can touch 70 kph, or even 100 kph, but will have to bring it down to say 20 kph to give side to an auto rickshaw or a hand cart.

Under present conditions, in the non access controlled kerala highways with undivided carriageway, you cannot 'cruise' at 70kph. (What everybody does is accelarate to 100 kph, then brake at the sight of a truck blocking your way, tail it for sometime, overtake when you find a gap and after narrowly missed by an oncoming superfast, again acceralate. So this accelarate, brake, deccelarate saga continues. The wear and tear on your car, fuel costs, your blood pressure etc rises, it is as simple as that.

But when you have an access controlled highway, even if your speed limit is 80 kph, you can cruise in it just like your car have 'cruise control'. You can keep the speed for hours. You get good mileage, you cover more distances, your workshop bills are less, you get more peace of mind etc.

MPE (Mumbai Pune Expressway) is an access controlled, six laned one. The legal speed limit there is 80kph. only.

When I drive in NH 7 in Bangalore, I try hard to keep the needle stuck at 80kph since I know that 'interceptors/speed guns' are waiting for me. But the drive is comfortable, I can relax. Sometimes the MERU/EASYCAB guys taking me to BIA rip the road at 130kph in their Logans, but they know the interceptor points, slow down their and gradually increase the speed once the radar is passed. These days the Taxis have a system installed wherein over 90kph, recorded warning sound comes and penalty on that will be charged from the driver.

And in Kerala too, AFAIK, the legal speed limit of 'divided carriageway' is 80 kph.

Can someone please translate into english? Also if possible provide the location.
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CM : The widening is not practicable in Kerala considering the "peculiar situations"...

Why can't he be specific what is this "peculiar situation" only in Kerala??Is Kerala not a State in India??

Mr.Chandy : The Central Minister repeated the technicality raised by the NHAI officials..When I was CM approval has given for 30m RoW..

Why can't he recommend PM & UPA Chairperson to dissolve NHAI for "misleading" a Central Minister with "Technical Facts"??:nuts:
Why can't he point out such areas he acquired for NHAI's proposal..??:ohno:As far as we know, NHAI never proposed for 30m..Initially it was 60m..then reduced to 45m..

Whom they are trying to fool??Both are same..."Eenampechikku Marappatti Koottu" ennu paranjapole..:lol:

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Can someone please translate into english? Also if possible provide the location.
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It's written - 'Pishari Kovil (Temple) - 'Amme Saranam' - situated at Eroor, Thripunithura, Ernakulam district.

Please don't ask me to translate the article- It's a tedious job:lol:

Source: Dhanam Magzine (http://dhanammagazine.com/php/archives_guest_details.php?top=1175)

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^^

Reams of paper have been written on the advisability of wide NHs in Kerala but nothing is going to happen here. This is God's own country. We should travel using "Pushpaka vimanams" , roads are for mere humans.

It's written - 'Pishari Kovil (Temple) - 'Amme Saranam' - situated at Eroor, Thripunithura, Ernakulam district.

I am hearing the term, 'Pishari' for the first time. What does it mean?

Marathaman, 'Amme Saranam' literally translates to "Mother, you are my refuge". Amma is mother and ‘Amme’ is calling mother. This is a Devi Temple.

^^Yogis, monks, sages etc are called commonly as "Pisharas". The temple of "Pishara" is termed latter as "Pishari Kovil".

[QUOTE=sachinrk;57268379]^^

Reams of paper have been written on the advisability of wide NHs in Kerala but nothing is going to happen here.

Quite possible when one reads about the land stretches acquired for NH expansion years ago and not worked upon. :(


there is OMR Chennai which does not have a service road.
You will find that the median is broken into in several places
and it seems authorities have given up attempting to bridge these gaping passways of death for the unsuspecting two wheelers and cars.
U see all of a sudden a TVS50 or a bicycle jutting into to the main road and there goes horns blaring from the vehicle ( following )behind you. Its scary Mind it. Now we see the kind of iron barricades along the stretches
were there are rural settlements joining the road used as "MOBILE" speed breakers.

@ Aslesh I am not sure if you have imagined the above situation when
you say there need not be service roads. I bet the local politicians
and samudaya sanghatans will take the intiative to break the medians and create nuisance if you buid something like OMR in Kerala without sevice roads.

There was a time when MainRoads in a neighboring district of Calicut had speed breakers as and when the local Samudayam/political parties unit wanted a BUS STOP. This started to change only after a young minister took steps to improve the road surface and started a crack down on all unauthorised Speed Breakers/ Humps. With changing times the locals got improved public service connectivity with the mini buses and diesel autorikwas. Now its a smooth ride without breaking your back around here.

I stated both the OMR case and my neighboring district's case only to highlight two things.
A high speed road without service roads will be resented by rural folks. Secondly the fact that Rural people must be made to experience the change for them to accept it. They are no civil engineers and techies, you have to build the system and they will endorse it open heartedly.

But see what the politicians are doing,they are creating paranoia among the rural folk.

Under present conditions, in the non access controlled kerala highways with undivided carriageway, you cannot 'cruise' at 70kph. (What everybody does is accelarate to 100 kph, then brake at the sight of a truck blocking your way, tail it for sometime, overtake when you find a gap and after narrowly missed by an oncoming superfast, again acceralate.
That is the real adventure. So we are going to miss that. Just kidding. :lol:

But still in this highway you can face the same problem. You will see slow moving trucks and paatta KSRTC local & FP buses moving close to the median without giving space for you to overtake. You cant overtake through the right due to the median. You are not allowed to overtake through the left. I have experienced this in highway.

Then you will see people running across the road like mad. Nobody is going to care the pedestrian crossing facilities. Then you will see people taking bicycles in hand and running across. They can't drive the bicycle due to the median and separators. Ithokke aan sambavikkunathum sambavikkan pokunnathum. Your peace of mind will be in dreams only. :D

Any way the manual specifies Service roads in urban sections only. Where as here it is recommended for the whole length. What is this "peculiar situation" in Kerala?

Any way the manual specifies Service roads in urban sections only. Where as here it is recommended for the whole length.
My Friend, I request you read this carefully again and agian.It is recommended for future..Not now..
“The concept of service roads or frontage roads has relevance in limiting the access on the Main Highway while simultaneously meeting the demands of the abutting land owners for ingress and egress. Such service roads can prevent the congestion caused on the Main Highway due to purely local traffic and at the same time reduce the capacity.It is recommended that service roads be insisted upon along all Highways where ribbon development has already taken place as also along new bypasses where there is feared in the near future. It would be advantageous to acquire land for service roads sufficiently in advance even though their construction may not come up for some time."
FYI,The Manual is just a Guideline and based on the minimum requirement specified by IRC & MORTH.

there is OMR Chennai which does not have a service road.
You will find that the median is broken into in several places
and it seems authorities have given up attempting to bridge these gaping passways of death for the unsuspecting two wheelers and cars.
U see all of a sudden a TVS50 or a bicycle jutting into to the main road and there goes horns blaring from the vehicle ( following )behind you. Its scary Mind it. Now we see the kind of iron barricades along the stretches
were there are rural settlements joining the road used as "MOBILE" speed breakers.

@ Aslesh I am not sure if you have imagined the above situation when
you say there need not be service roads. I bet the local politicians
and samudaya sanghatans will take the intiative to break the medians and create nuisance if you buid something like OMR in Kerala without sevice roads.


Even if they build the service road you will still see bicycles jumping in. Do you think our people will start obeying the law once a highway is built here? The same local politicians can break the separator between service road and median. It is going to happen. Here people just care about their own convenience. No body cares about law here. Oru road undakkiyal udan naattukar nannakum enna pratheeksha venda. :bash:

My Friend, I request you read this carefully again and agian.It is recommended for future..Not now..



But the project report for NH-17 (Kannur-Kuttipuram) clearly says that

"The project road has almost continuous ribbon development through out the project corridor. The existing road has configuration of two lane wide highway which is proposed to be upgraded to four-lane divided carriageway with paved shoulders partially access controlled highway."

then

"0.8 SERVICE ROADS
The project road is like an urban road passing through habitation in complete length. Service roads on either side are required continuously to make uninterrupted flow of through traffic. Service roads have been provided continuous through out except gaps at bridges or else where not required as per topography.
"

So there is some peculiar situation in Kerala which even NHAI has admitted. Atleast for NH-17 there will be service road in the whole length in Kerala.

Any way my house far away from NH-17 and also I love highway driving. Varatte service roado enthann vechal varatte. Kooduthal toll kodukkanam ennallathe enikk vere nashtam onnum illa. Let the people near the highway suffer and let me enjoy. Arantammakk pranth pidichal kanan entha style. :lol:

^^ Aslesh, the project report for NH-17 was not prepared by NHAI but by an external consultant.

Even if they build the service road you will still see bicycles jumping in. Do you think our people will start obeying the law once a highway is built here? The same local politicians can break the separator between service road and median. It is going to happen. Here people just care about their own convenience. No body cares about law here. Oru road undakkiyal udan naattukar nannakum enna pratheeksha venda. :bash:

This is getting silly....a bit like saying what is the point in making violence illegal because some people will commit violence anyway.

But still in this highway you can face the same problem. You will see slow moving trucks and paatta KSRTC local & FP buses moving close to the median without giving space for you to overtake. You can’t overtake through the right due to the median. You are not allowed to overtake through the left. I have experienced this in highway. ?

What you said is true. But for that reason alone you cannot simply sit idle and not develop the highways. And what I have been seeing now is, be it a four lane or six lane highway all fast moving vehicles use the left lane. Nowadays I see more sign boards saying ‘keep to your lane’. And crossing a vehicle from the left is safer than overtaking it in an ‘undivided’ carriageway.

But the authorities are becoming strict also. In Bangalore they have kept signages in NH 7 as well as ORR that Heavy vehicles are prohibited on the right lane. Hope such measures are made stricter and extended to all sections. We have to start somewhere.


Then you will see people running across the road like mad. Nobody is going to care the pedestrian crossing facilities. Then you will see people taking bicycles in hand and running across. They can't drive the bicycle due to the median and separators. Ithokke aan sambavikkunathum sambavikkan pokunnathum. Your peace of mind will be in dreams only. :D?

Simple way is to block the medians. And that have been done in many stretches. I have seen many stretches in Bangalore with barriers as tall as a person. Very few will try to jump.

As I said earlier, we have to start somewhere. People will start thinking about losing their lives under the speeding vehicles. No wonder we have one of the greatest occurrence of accident deaths. Whenever I cross a road, I would be very vigilant since I know that the speed with which I drive in a straight stretch. It is all give and take policy. I have seen most drivers in India being not considerate to pedestrians, the main reason is their behavior of the pedastrians too.

We see many crossing across the rails in railway stations rather than using the foot over bridge. There are many instances of deaths too. There is a tendency to break the rules or cut corners everywhere. To avoid all these, the society should have a ‘civilized culture’ which needs to be imbibed from child hood on wards. Traffic education should be a part of elementary education. Still many don’t know the meaning of ‘Yield’ signs in junctions nor who has the first right of way in a roundabout. Nor the motorists know that when a pedestrian is there in the zebra crossing, he should stop.

Ithokke aan sambavikkunathum sambavikkan pokunnathum. ?

I would say this mind set has to change. We cannot change the society in one day, but we can change ourselves. Small changes make way to big changes. Unless we change, how can we accuse the society as a whole?.

I make it a point not to start my car unless the signal has turned green. (It is the normal tendency of all to raise their engines and start slowly moving (seeing the countdown numbers). Also you should not budge to the honking of those behind you when you are in a red signal and no vehicle is crossing. Today morning also I stopped in front of a zebra crossing to let a person cross. I do not care a hoot to those honk behind me.

^^ Aslesh, the project report for NH-17 was not prepared by NHAI but by an external consultant.
Nowhere NHAI is preparing the DPR.All these are studied and prepared by Consultants.These Consultants are being selected by NHAI from the approved lists and through bidding..Only after the approval of the DPR by NHAI,it will be forwarded to MORTH and to the Cabinet.:)

So there is some peculiar situation in Kerala which even NHAI has admitted. Atleast for NH-17 there will be service road in the whole length in Kerala.
So now you understand what is the peculiar situation exists in Kerala (Considering whole Kerala as an urban area).Ribbon development had happened in most of the area and remaining are about to happen.So service roads are recommemded..:)

So now you understand what is the peculiar situation exists in Kerala (Considering whole Kerala as an urban area).Ribbon development had happened in most of the area and remaining are about to happen.So service roads are recommemded..:)

Atleast now you admitted there is a peculiar situation in Kerala. Ath thanne alle achu mamayum paranjath. :lol:

I would say this mind set has to change. We cannot change the society in one day, but we can change ourselves. Small changes make way to big changes. Unless we change, how can we accuse the society as a whole?.


Ellarum nannayal ellarkkum kollam. :) Enikk velya pratheeksha onnum illa. Even you said its safer to overtake from left than w/o median. ;)

Atleast now you admitted there is a peculiar situation in Kerala. Ath thanne alle achu mamayum paranjath. :lol:
If Achu mama is meant this "peculiar ism" he won't stick on to 30m RoW.His version of "peculiar ism" is different here.Not only his,but "All Parties' "..:)

NHAI has decided not to accept the proposal to reduce the width to 30m.
Preliminary decision has taken during the discussions in the 191st Annual Council Meeting of IRC at Munnar.Final decision may announce once these officials reach New Delhi and after the full body meeting.
The development will be done where already 45m Row has been made available by the state.
It was decided to reduce the width from 60m to 45m after considering the population density and the continuous requests from Kerala.
Apart from Kerala,Goa was the other state which requested to reduce the width.But after several discussions,the state Govt. finally given the land in 60m width.
All project reports and alignments are prepared based on the future vehicle density and developments on all India basis.This cannot be changed only for kerala


Source (http://www.metrovaartha.com/2010/05/22012501/nh20100522.html)

^^ This is really good news. Minister Jose Thettayil made a compelling argument yesterday for 45m ROW in a press conference. Politicians should understand they cant always have the best of both sides. Let this be Achu mama's legacy for Kerala - a NH less state.

Kerala minister disagrees with govt stand on highway width
By John Mary

Thiruvananthapuram: The row over national highway widening in Kerala has taken a sharp turn with Public Works Minister Jose Thettayil taking exception to the all-party decision to reduce the width of highways in the state from 45 meters to 30 meters.

Thettayil told reporters in Kochi yesterday that the decision to limit the width to 30 m was in conflict with genuine interests of the State. The parties, including the Left parties, had taken the short-sighted decision in view of the electoral prospects in the local body elections in September, he said.

“It’s a political decision, not in the interest of the state. The reduction of the width of the national highways will affect future development of the State. The parties involved in the decision have not taken a practical approach on the issue”, he said.

Thettayil said development of the road with 45 m width was possible in districts where the land had been acquired.


http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/india/3966-kerala-minister-disagrees-with-govt-stand-on-highway-width-.html

^^ The one lonely soul who understands the crux of the matter. Hats off to the odd man...

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Kerala declared a two-day mourning on Saturday for the victims of the Air India Express plane disaster near Mangalore. Most of the passengers from Dubai to Mangalore were from Kerala.

Mangalore is located on the Karnataka-Kerala border. Chief minister V S Achuthanandan and home minister Kodiyeri Balkrishnan have reached Mangalore.

Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Mangalore-crash-Kerala-declares-two-day-mourning-/articleshow/5961642.cms)

Trade bodies and various management associations in Kerala are opposed to reducing the width of National Highways to 30 m from the stipulated 45 m. An all-party delegation headed by the State Chief Minister met the Prime Minister and requested special permission for Kerala to reduce the NH width to 30 m.

It may be recalled that in 2007, the NH width for Kerala was reduced to 45 m from the national standard of 60 m following a request from the State Government citing high population density and land cost. The all-party group has approached the Centre for further reduction in width owing to growing opposition from the locals to land acquisitions.

However, several trade bodies and management associations have formed a forum in Kochi to highlight the need for a 45-m highway to safeguard Kerala's progress.

Traffic in Kerala has been growing at 10-12 per cent every year, according to the State's Planning Department statistics. Given the resulting pressure on the roads, the four-lane highways of 30m width would prove highly inadequate.

Congestion, slowdown

As traffics levels exceed road capacity, movement is considerably slowed down. The traffic volume, particularly on NH-17 and NH-47, is likely to exceed road capacity by nearly three times in a 10-year period and by about six times in another 20 years. The average speed on Kerala roads is 18 kmph, while on the highway it is around 35 kmph, as against the national average of 45 kmph. It is also estimated that 20 million tonnes of carbon is emitted from automobiles in Kerala every year. By widening the NH, this could possibly be reduced by 15 per cent as there will be reduced diesel consumption.

The imminent commissioning of the Vallarpadam Transhipment Terminal will worsen the situation with more container trailers plying the roads. Unending congestion will lead to higher transportation cost, loss of time, fuel wastage, pollution and, above all, more road accidents. “The decision of the all-party meeting is unfortunate, short-sighted and will affect future generations. Hence it should be corrected,” the forum of industrial bodies has observed.

Mr C.J. George, Managing Director, Geojit BNP Paribas Financial Services, who was instrumental in creating the forum of industrial bodies, told Business Line that good connectivity and access would help the State respond faster in any emergency. Evacuation and transportation of the masses would be possible only when there is proper connectivity between the district headquarters and villages to other parts of the State.

If the highway width is reduced to 30 metres, it will cause chaos and hamper the daily activities of people and business. An estimated Rs 2,700 crore per annum can be saved in man-hours, fuel maintenance, and wear and tear of vehicles if there is a well-maintained highway system. Moreover, when the width is less than 45 m there will not be enough space for service roads and medians.

Displacement and compensation

He also said that a fair compensation and rehabilitation package should be worked out for the people whose houses and shops are demolished for the highway. Terming as exaggerated the authorities' claim that 24 lakh people will be affected by land acquisitions, he said only about 11, 283 dwellings, that is 50,000 people, will be affected. If the concerns of the affected people are addressed, they would willingly give up land for the proposed widening, which will benefit the whole State, he added.

The traders' forum submitted a representation to the Prime Minister, requesting the withdrawal of the all-party demand and adherence to nationally accepted norms for national highways.

Highway to development

Mr Anand Menon, President, Cochin Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said such a short-sighted decision would put Kerala' s development prospects on the backburner indefinitely. Other States have welcomed the widening of National Highways, as they recognise that road development is the lifeblood of all other development.

Source (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/05/24/stories/2010052450480500.htm)

Even you said its safer to overtake from left than w/o median. ;)

Of course, switching lanes in multi laned highways are not prohibited. Only thing is that when you switch lanes, you have to check out for other vehicles in your rear view and put the appropriate indicator.

Isn't that different? While we switch lanes can we overtake through left? That can be dangerous no? Isn't the lanes to the right meant for moving faster and overtaking? :?

Isn't that different? While we switch lanes can we overtake through left? That can be dangerous no? Isn't the lanes to the right meant for moving faster and overtaking? :?

Whatever people say, Aslesh, to overtake through left is against law, for any mishap occurred while overtaking through left, can we say that its safe to overtake through left if there are no undivided carriageway on the road...:lol:...:nuts:

Isn't that different? While we switch lanes can we overtake through left? That can be dangerous no? Isn't the lanes to the right meant for moving faster and overtaking? :?

Not always. You may overtake through Left also. In Multi lane roads the important thing is to keep to your lane and do the lane change properly after giving signals. With multi lane highways coming up across India, the general thumb rules regarding overtaking also is changing.

Overtaking on the left

Mostly overtaking is done on the right. Passing on the left can be more dangerous than passing on the right. You can overtake from left on multi-lane or on one-way roads or when vehicle is turning right.

http://www.chandigarhtrafficpolice.org/changinglanes.php

Vehicle Overtaking on the Left

Usually overtaking is done on the right. Passing on the left can be dangerous. Overtake from left only on multi-lane or on one-way roads. If the vehicle in front of you is turning right, you can overtake from left.

http://www.helloraipur.com/bustrain.php

Having said this, I also advocate overtaking from the right most lane, as far as possible. Some cases you may need to overtake from left. Even if city roads, where traffic moves dense in three lanes, mostly the inner lanes may move faster than the outer lanes. Hence you see more of the signages, “Stick to your lane’ and not ‘no overtaking from left’.

And Steps for changing lanes.


Check for a space in traffic where you can enter safely.
Check your blind spot by looking in the direction of the lane change. Give an indicator in the direction you want to move.
Recheck to ensure the way is clear and that no one is coming at a fast speed from behind.
Turn steadily into the new lane.

Sudeesh, thanks for clarifying the misconception, regarding the overtaking on multi-laned highways.

Thanks for the valuable information Sudheesh bhai.

Ithokke nammude highway police annanmarkk ariyamo? Illenkil eppo petty adichenn chodicha mathi. :lol:

^^ Would advise you to carry a printout Aslesh ,before trying this out :lol:

Finally there seems to be some political support for NH widening. Heard K B Ganesh Kumar MLA speak out in favour on a channel and now Ramesh Chennithala :)

Chennithala said though they were part of the delegation to Delhi requesting to limit the National Highway road in the state to 30 metres, the Congress was not for denying the NH to the state for the reason. Adequate compensation should be provided and rehabilitation of evacuees should be done properly, he said.

News (http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/ldf-government-a-sinking-ship-kerala-pcc-chief/176066.html)

The general rule regading lanes, be it in India or abroad are

On a dual carriageway/divided carriageway highway/motorway or arterial road, any lane can be an overtaking lane though in many places overtaking on the side furthest from the road centre line is prohibited. Lanes are normally separated by broken lines (usually white) but may be a single solid white to indicate lane-changing is allowed but discouraged. Double lines indicate that lane-changing (for example to overtake) is prohibited.

Some shots of my drive through DGE (Delhi Gurgaon Expressway) last year.

This is an access controlled, signal free, Eight Lane Expressway.

In these kind of roads, you cannot say that you should overtake through the 'right most' lane only.

http://i44.tinypic.com/24fxq2f.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/nya79y.jpg

If you have properly planned barricades, you can prevent people/cyclists crossing. See here, the centre median has a tall wire mesh, which doesnot hamper the general visibility, but serves the purpose as a proper baaricade which prevents a pedastrian or a cyclist from thinking of a crossing.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2bphtw.jpg

^^

can we ever imagine a road like this in Kerala in our life?

Eight lane expressway in Kerala? Athimoham aan dinesh mon athimoham. :D

^^

Nannayittoru nalu (4) variyenkilum ?

Ath thrissuril varunnundallo.

From Today's Deepika

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Transalation (summary) : Yet another Joint Council , but luckily this one is for NH widening. :)

^^

can we ever imagine a road like this in Kerala in our life?

Why not? :).If we have an active government,just 5-6 years needed.
Now also junctions in NH are developing a lot :)

^^

How old are you my dear boy? I think you have seen Kerala and its politicians not more than 20 years.

I appreciate your optimism. I also like to believe so. But in a state where decades are required to double less than 10 km railway, years are taking to make 5-6 km bypass roads, how can you believe that we will have 8 lane express highways in 5-6 years?

We dont have an Achutha Menon among our political leaders. (I do believe that he was the one and only one chief minister in Kerala who has vision and wisdom and looked forward to the future)

^^

How old are you my dear boy? I think you have seen Kerala and its politicians not more than 20 years.

I appreciate your optimism. I also like to believe so. But in a state where decades are required to double less than 10 km railway, years are taking to make 5-6 km bypass roads, how can you believe that we will have 8 lane express highways in 5-6 years?

We dont have an Achutha Menon among our political leaders. (I do believe that he was the one and only one chief minister in Kerala who has vision and wisdom and looked forward to the future)

I didn't mean about the 8 way roads here.
I meant the roads with central lighting and medians with plants.

^^
:)

Not always. You may overtake through Left also. In Multi lane roads the important thing is to keep to your lane and do the lane change properly after giving signals. With multi lane highways coming up across India, the general thumb rules regarding overtaking also is changing.





Having said this, I also advocate overtaking from the right most lane, as far as possible. Some cases you may need to overtake from left. Even if city roads, where traffic moves dense in three lanes, mostly the inner lanes may move faster than the outer lanes. Hence you see more of the signages, “Stick to your lane’ and not ‘no overtaking from left’.

And Steps for changing lanes.


Check for a space in traffic where you can enter safely.
Check your blind spot by looking in the direction of the lane change. Give an indicator in the direction you want to move.
Recheck to ensure the way is clear and that no one is coming at a fast speed from behind.
Turn steadily into the new lane.


Sudheesh bhai, thanks for that valuable information.

@jayadevan-Hi bro.I'm sorry if you didn't understand my post clearly :ohno:

Letter from Sri. V. K. Mathews, Chairman & CEO of IBS Group of Companies on "NH widening" issue.

This mail was sent to all the employees of IBS:

courtesy: BenoyRNair's blog.

SUB: Safe and efficient road system for the future of Kerala

Dear All,

This is a long mail, and it has nothing to do with IBS' business. I am writing this note to seek your assistance on an important matter for our state. Take your own time and read at your own pace, but please do read it and do what you can to help.

The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) has approved the expansion of about 700 KMs of highways in Kerala, at an estimated investment of up to 10,000 Crores, over a 30 months period. However, the Kerala Government and the Opposition together has represented to the Prime Minister that the expansion should be limited to 30 meters (as against the NHAI standard of 60 Meters), quoting the impact of land acquisition on the people on the sides of the highways. Obviously, this has put the entire project at risk as NHAI will not and cannot consider it under the current highways scheme, and we could lose this approved funding and the essential expansion project. The immediate impact will be the Trivandrum-Kochi stretch of NH-47.

According to authentic statistics, Kerala has the highest vehicle density of 1:6 in the country (one vehicle for every 6 people, which is over 4 times the national average), which is comparable to USA (1:5), and the lowest level of highway system among other states. The annual traffic growth is the highest in Kerala, which will make the roads ever more congested in the coming years. Every day, Kerala witnesses 11 deaths and 120 grievous injuries due to road accidents, resulting in total or partial disabilities! The number families, more so belonging to the lower strata of the society, getting totally devastated every year is alarmingly high in Kerala. The productivity loss and increased fuel costs on the Trivandrum-Kochi stretch of NH-47 itself, due to congestion and lower average speed, is estimated to be about 2,700 Crores per year.



For the development and growth of Kerala, where 90% of our young generation aspires to be engaged or employed in the value adding service sector (than traditional/ agriculture/ manufacturing), it is absolutely important that we have safe and efficient transportation infrastructure, especially roads and highways.

This is the context where our political leaders, both ruling as well as opposition together, are opposing the NH expansion project. It is extremely unfortunate and, in a way, paradoxical that when the whole country is asking for more funds for building more transportation infrastructure, in Kerala, the only topic on which both the Government and Opposition coming united is to block the infrastructure development.

I have met both the central and state minsters, along with the representatives from 20 plus professional organizations. The political leaders understand the need for the project, but they are fearful of the reaction of affected people in the next Panchayath and Assembly elections! This is not how you and I would want our political system to be, but we must realize that politicians these days simply respond to the electorate opinion, than influencing and leading them in the interest of the society, even risking their own popularity.

Whilst rehabilitation is the most important aspect that the State Government should focus on, there are also a lot of factually incorrect arguments on the impact of the expansions. The total number of people that will be affected by the land acquisition will be less than 50,000, according to the study conducted by NHAI, whereas the figure used by those against the highway expansion is 25 lacs!!! The good thing is that there is plenty of funds already available from Central Government for acquiring land at even 2.5 times the market price. We must realize that the Kerala Government, considering its financial situation and other priorities, cannot afford to acquire expensive land at all, and therefore we should use this Central funding to facilitate total and effective rehabilitation.

Now, what is it that we can do to help? Each one of us can contribute to bringing about progressive changes in the society in our own modest little ways. In a democracy, politicians respond to the aspirations and opinions of the people. The awareness of people is therefore fundamental to the effectiveness of a democratic system. On this count, the IT fraternity is more fortunate than others because we have better exposure and understanding than perhaps the 90% of our population. We should engage our people, however small a group it may be, perhaps starting from your own homes, to make them understand the needs and priorities of our state and what they can do to help. The state of Kerala has huge potential and can achieve far more progress at an accelerated pace than what we have achieved so far. Not that all of us will agree on everything or have the same views, but each one of us can and should try to make a positive difference, however small it may be, to the society that we live in by participating in the process.

I count on your support to create safe and efficient transportation infrastructure which will be the backbone for sustained development of the service sector in Kerala.

Best regards,

VK
_________________________________
V K Mathews
Chairman & CEO
The IBS Group


http://insideandaround.blogspot.com/2010/05/letter-from-sri-v-k-mathews-chairman.html

^^ Its nice to note people like V.K.Mathews taking up the issue and creating awareness. Thanks for the bloglink Sudheesh.

But I do feel now that this suicidal 30m foolishness is going to suffer a natural abortion as LDF and Congress leaders are slowly letting their real thoughts known. CM Achumama is the biggest obstacle here, after strangling Kerala's infrastructure development for 4 years, now he feels that the officers may need to go out with guns for land acquisition. I guess we've all learned our lessons the hard way for electing this archaic commie specimen to lead our state.. :bash: His glorious 4 years' achievements speak for himself, and please Mr. Chandy, don't get cold feet by having nightmares about next Assembly and local body elections. At least show us that you've got the 33 vertebrae lined up in the right way for the sake of this state. :(

The general rule regading lanes, be it in India or abroad are



Some shots of my drive through DGE (Delhi Gurgaon Expressway) last year.

This is an access controlled, signal free, Eight Lane Expressway.

In these kind of roads, you cannot say that you should overtake through the 'right most' lane only.

http://i44.tinypic.com/24fxq2f.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/nya79y.jpg

If you have properly planned barricades, you can prevent people/cyclists crossing. See here, the centre median has a tall wire mesh, which doesnot hamper the general visibility, but serves the purpose as a proper baaricade which prevents a pedastrian or a cyclist from thinking of a crossing.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2bphtw.jpg

This road is truly 60 metres wide. We need 45 metres minimum.

http://i50.tinypic.com/332tguf.jpg

Transalation summary : Pinarayi Vijayan , State Secretary , CPM calls for another all-party meeting to reach a decision favouring Kerala's development on the NH width issue. :)

Minister Paloli Muhammed kutty supports 45 m wide national highway. He said we will lose the project if we didn't go for 45 meters.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7499/paloli.jpg

Action council speaks against NH widening. They said that those who advocates 45m highway are land mafia, luxury car owners, builders, road privatization mafia and binamis of corrupted officials.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3757/actionl.jpg
Manorama Report

From Today's Deepika

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Transalation (summary) : Yet another Joint Council , but luckily this one is for NH widening. :)

Same News in English (http://expressbuzz.com/cities/kochi/call-to-widen-nh-to-45-metres/176755.html)

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: After dancing to the tunes of fringe groups campaigning against the NH development programme at the all-party meeting held on April 20, the State Government has issued a GO which underlined the Government’s commitment to upgrade NH-17 and NH-47 to six lanes.

Though it sounds paradoxical, the GO issued on May 5, No 179/10/GAD, clearly mentions NH development programme proposed by the NHAI and Union Surface Transport Ministry as the goals of the Works Department in the final year of the VS Government.

For upgrading NH-17 and NH-47 to six lanes, the minimum width of the roads need to be 45 metres. However, the all-party meeting had decided to seek 30-metre-wide NHs for Kerala. Based on this decision, an all-party delegation visited the Prime Minister and submitted a memorandum raising this demand. But, the GO which sums up the major projects of all departments in the final year of the LDF Government, has drifted away from this consensus.

Apart from the six-laning of NHs, the GO also speaks about another six-lane road which will be built according to international standards in the state. However, details of this road are not mentioned in the order. A 67-km West coast ocean highway which will connect Ponnani in Malappuram and Elathur in Kozhikode is another ambitious project of the PWD in the GO.

The second phase of the KST project has also been included in the PWD action plan. ‘‘The department has requested the Union Government to make available a loan of Rs 1356 crore for the second phase of the project,’’ reads the GO.

Source (http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/government-order-espouses-nh-six-laning/176752.html)

Infact,all want development.But no body is ready to give land for development :ohno:

Minister Paloli Muhammed kutty supports 45 m wide national highway. He said we will lose the project if we didn't go for 45 meters.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7499/paloli.jpg

On ther other day,it was minister Mr.Jose Thettayil;now its the turn of another minister,Mr.Paloli Muhammedkutty.
He says,

NH should be widened with atleast 45m.
There should not be any foul play with politics with the development.
Eventhough Govt.is ready to give proper rehabilitation and value for the land acquiring;some "Veeranmar" now saying it cannot be.
If the project is lost the same people will shout "zindabad" as if Govt.didn't give the land for widening.


Who is this "Veeranmar" he referring to??Is he indirectly pointing CM or is it Mr.Veerendrakumar or the opposition??

Action council speaks against NH widening. They said that those who advocates 45m highway are land mafia, luxury car owners, builders, road privatization mafia and binamis of corrupted officials.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3757/actionl.jpg
Manorama Report
They are the REAL ADVOCATES of land mafia, luxury car owners, builders, road privatization mafia and binamis of corrupted officials.:lol:

Hmm some what true. They must be people who owns land in bulk on both sides of the highway. They must have expected huge profit in future after a 30m four lane road is completed. But now government is going to take up there land at current market price. ;)

Did anybody compute the additional land requirement to widen the highway from 30m to 45m?
It’s approximately 2500 acres (similar to the land acquired for Ezhimala Naval academy)!!. I think Cochin and Trivandrum airports also are spread over similar area?
Here is the simple calculation.
Total length of NH 17 and NH 47 is 850-900km?
Thrissur - Cherthala is completed. Land has been acquired for Thrissur- Vadakkanchery sector (Total approx 250km). Approx 650km remains.
For an additional width of 15m Total area required 650X1000X15=9,750,000m2 (9.75 km2)= 2437.5acres.
Kannur airport requires an area of 2000 acres. Even if my assumptions on the completed lengths are slightly wrong the requirement willl never be more than 3000 acres.
Should we believe govt’s claim that Lakhs of people will have to be rehabilitated?
What could be the average population density in those areas? Note more than 2000 /sq.km? (Average density of the state was less than 900/km2 in 2001).
As somebody pointed out earlier the interest could be something else,if not the concern on environmental impact.

Now Umman chandy too supports NH widening.
http://i49.tinypic.com/168gdgg.jpg

Hmm some what true. They must be people who owns land in bulk on both sides of the highway. They must have expected huge profit in future after a 30m four lane road is completed. But now government is going to take up there land at current market price. ;)

We are not against developments and we are ready to change our house, but the land value in our place in Puthuppanam, Vatakara is 4.5 lcs and what govt will give us?? 1.5 lacs or 2 lacs will you all ready to quit from your place for that fund.... if we are given appropriate funds we will move

LET GOVERNMENT OR OFFICIALS GIVE THE CORRECT FIGURE.....
NOT WAGELY GOOD AMOUNT OR DOUBLE AMOUNT..... GIVE IT IN FIGURES THAT WHAT WILLL BE GIVEN

Hmm some what true. They must be people who owns land in bulk on both sides of the highway. They must have expected huge profit in future after a 30m four lane road is completed. But now government is going to take up there land at current market price. ;)

Dear Friend all of us who losses the house are not multi millionares or crorepathis..... there are peoples like me who did hard work to built up a house after death of my father in my early days.... me (NOW IN GULF) my mom, 2 brothers , my wife and 2 kids live there.

When you fight for development dont forget to fight for people like us who has no protection from any political parties.....

IF WE ARE GIVEN NOT BAD COMPENSATION WE ARE READY TO CHANGE OUR HOUSE

But still the problem is not with the government. Government will be ready to give more than the current market rate. But the problem is that here no body shows the exact rate in the document. Then what else the government can do other than give the amount which is usually shown in the document?

Infact,all want development.But no body is ready to give land for development :ohno:

WE ARE READY, IF GOVT GIVES PROMPT COMPENSATION

Dear Friend all of us who losses the house are not multi millionares or crorepathis..... there are peoples like me who did hard work to built up a house after death of my father in my early days.... me (NOW IN GULF) my mom, 2 brothers , my wife and 2 kids live there.

When you fight for development dont forget to fight for people like us who has no protection from any political parties.....

IF WE ARE GIVEN NOT BAD COMPENSATION WE ARE READY TO CHANGE OUR HOUSE

Don't worry friend. In most of the recent land acquisitions people were given proper compensation. In projects like Kannur airport displaced people are given free land to built new house in addition to the regular compensation. Hope in this case also govt will come up with a nice package since a new all party meeting may be held soon. State government has to do something to convince people and acquire the land. Otherwise they will lose the project and again the blame will be on the state government.

But still the problem is not with the government. Government will be ready to give more than the current market rate. But the problem is that here no body shows the exact rate in the document. Then what else the government can do other than give the amount which is usually shown in the document?

tc

I've got a point.

it's a known fact that people are ready to part with their land for development.

We've seen this in many cases. But many time, people have been fooled by successive Govt.s.

Look at what happened in the case of those who got displaced for the construction of Vallarpadom ICTT.

The state Govt. forcefully grabbed their land and the land which was given in lieu for their land was marshy , actually a part of the Vembanad lake. (yes, this happened during this Govt.s term).

After having seen all these gimmicks by the Govt. , it's quite natural that it's difficult to alleviate the fears of those who are going to get displaced.

Dear Friend... you are in which world dear... now most of people register in real rate... how much paper do you need as proof..

Ayyoo naadu nannayo? Yeppa? :runaway: May be thats why registration department had to come up with a huge fair value database that too full of errors. They could have totally avoided that work if people has become so honest now. :bash:

Yes some people show real rate in document. Yet there are some people who buys gold paying full sales tax and get the original bill. Enn vech naadu nannayenn parayalle pls. Njan inn chirich chirich marikkum. :lol: :rofl:

I've got a point.

it's a known fact that people are ready to part with their land for development.

We've seen this in many cases. But many time, people have been fooled by successive Govt.s.

Look at what happened in the case of those who got displaced for the construction of Vallarpadom ICTT.

The state Govt. forcefully grabbed their land and the land which was given in lieu for their land was marshy , actually a part of the Vembanad lake. (yes, this happened during this Govt.s term).

After having seen all these gimmicks by the Govt. , it's quite natural that it's difficult to alleviate the fears of those who are going to get displaced.

Yes we have the example of Moolampilly. It is the cases like this which keep people worried whenever they are made to give up land for projects. But in most of cases the problem lies with the bureaucracy which causes unnecessary delay and messes things up. They joint hands with the local politicians who get easily corrupted by the influence of some big shots in the area. Land of influential people will be avoided and the rest will have to suffer. :bash:

From the Paloli news item posted above

http://i50.tinypic.com/hskwlx.jpg

Angine karyangal parayendathu pole paranjapol sangathi clean :banana:

Sathyam paranjal delhiyil poya keralathile sarva kakshikalum chammipoyi. Ini engane nattukarude mugath nokkum? Ini engane 45m ettedukkum engane edukkathirikkum. Opposition parties will get some excuses to blame the govt. But what will the govt do now? Let us see what is achumama's stand in this.

Ayyoo naadu nannayo? Yeppa? :runaway: May be thats why registration department had to come up with a huge fair value database that too full of errors. They could have totally avoided that work if people has become so honest now. :bash:

Yes some people show real rate in document. Yet there are some people who buys gold paying full sales tax and get the original bill. Enn vech naadu nannayenn parayalle pls. Njan inn chirich chirich marikkum. :lol: :rofl:

Friend for you this may be fun session but not for me........ do you know how the land aquiring people give money.... they give the rate proportional to the latest sold property rate so no need that the whole citizen become good

Please dont make fun of people who already is facing a big problem in their life...... We people whose land or house is going is ready to go for other option if we get good value for land and house that is what i meant (may be big bussinessmen not ready for that)

Sathyam paranjal delhiyil poya keralathile sarva kakshikalum chammipoyi. Ini engane nattukarude mugath nokkum? Ini engane 45m ettedukkum engane edukkathirikkum. Opposition parties will get some excuses to blame the govt. But what will the govt do now? Let us see what is achumama's stand in this.
I think the Left Front ( maybe not VS ) wanted to go for 45m from the beginning. This sarvakakshi sangham was just to make people realise that NH widening comes under Central Govt , so people would stop blaming the state govt. The recent speeches by Pinarayi Vijayan and Elamaram Kareem make this clear. Oommen chettan's lie is also exposed that when he was CM , Centre had agreed to 30m NH ( wonder what made him say that)

Friend for you this may be fun session but not for me........ do you know how the land aquiring people give money.... they give the rate proportional to the latest sold property rate so no need that the whole citizen become good

Please dont make fun of people who already is facing a big problem in their life...... We people whose land or house is going is ready to go for other option if we get good value for land and house that is what i meant (may be big bussinessmen not ready for that)
Hi Vijith...its definitely not easy to show real value while buying property in Kerala. First of all , the seller is not ready to show full money in his legal income , so he wont agree. Even if the buyer agrees to pay additional stamp duty ( because of showing real value) , there is a lot of pressure from the local brokers and even Revenue officials. This is because if even one property transaction is done at real value, it automatically increases the fair value ( nyaya vila ) of the area. This creates a lot of problems to a lot of people. Trust me, Iam speaking from experience.

Yes we have the example of Moolampilly. It is the cases like this which keep people worried whenever they are made to give up land for projects. But in most of cases the problem lies with the bureaucracy which causes unnecessary delay and messes things up. They joint hands with the local politicians who get easily corrupted by the influence of some big shots in the area. Land of influential people will be avoided and the rest will have to suffer. :bash:

There you are correct..... my house is between 2 houses of GOKULAM GOPALAN in puduppanam.... see whats happening there and the funny thing is my house lies between these 2 in the same side but the new road is proposed to go in front of his first house and take a turn (taking my house) and goes through the back of his second house..... how can this be justified

Infront of my house there is a new house(RELATIVE OF GREAT GOKULAM GOPALAN ITSELF) which was constructed by them taking special permit from Trivandrum( if any further devpt of road takes place is ready to quit) funny thing is the house constructed with permission from vadakara in proper means is now going for road widening and the one with special permit still have no treat THIS IS WHAT IS SAID TO BE DEMOCRACY...
What i said is 100% truth come to Puduppanam (palayatunada) vadakara to concrete your doubts Mr Aslesh

Hi Vijith...its definitely not easy to show real value while buying property in Kerala. First of all , the seller is not ready to show full money in his legal income , so he wont agree. Even if the buyer agrees to pay additional stamp duty ( because of showing real value) , there is a lot of pressure from the local brokers and even Revenue officials. This is because if even one property transaction is done at real value, it automatically increases the fair value ( nyaya vila ) of the area. This creates a lot of problems to a lot of people. Trust me, Iam speaking from experience.

Yes i do agree with you, but i meant there are some people and i have papers to prove it

I didnt mean all are showing true value but some do...

There you are correct..... my house is between 2 houses of GOKULAM GOPALAN in puduppanam.... see whats happening there and the funny thing is my house lies between these 2 in the same side but the new road is proposed to go in front of his first house and take a turn (taking my house) and goes through the back of his second house..... how can this be justified

Infront of my house there is a new house(RELATIVE OF GREAT GOKULAM GOPALAN ITSELF) which was constructed by them taking special permit from Trivandrum( if any further devpt of road takes place is ready to quit) funny thing is the house constructed with permission from vadakara in proper means is now going for road widening and the one with special permit still have no treat THIS IS WHAT IS SAID TO BE DEMOCRACY...
What i said is 100% truth come to Puduppanam (palayatunada) vadakara to concrete your doubts Mr Aslesh
It is exactly these kind of double standards that must be avoided. Asianet News had shown a report sometime back of the problems with NH 47 alignment - the road curves left and right randomly to leave untouched commercial structures while passing through govt schools and hospitals. The report was aptly titled 'Barukalude munnil paambakunna NH'

Hi Vijith...its definitely not easy to show real value while buying property in Kerala. First of all , the seller is not ready to show full money in his legal income , so he wont agree. Even if the buyer agrees to pay additional stamp duty ( because of showing real value) , there is a lot of pressure from the local brokers and even Revenue officials. This is because if even one property transaction is done at real value, it automatically increases the fair value ( nyaya vila ) of the area. This creates a lot of problems to a lot of people. Trust me, Iam speaking from experience.

So Sachin what you mean is that whatever the govt give, with that we have to be happy or they have to set a formula that all us willl be happy

So Sachin what you mean is that whatever the govt give, with that we have to be happy or they have to set a formula that all us willl be happy
Vijith, as far as I know , the govt will definitely give the market value ( i.e the real value and not the nyaya vila ). eg for the Mahe Thalassery bypass in Azhiyur village the nyaya vila is Rs 20,000 per cent but the collector assured a group of aggrieved people from there that they would be given the real market rates ( i.e even upto Rs 1.5 lakhs per cent ) which is the market value at which transactions are currently taking place.

It is exactly these kind of double standards that must be avoided. Asianet News had shown a report sometime back of the problems with NH 47 alignment - the road curves left and right randomly to leave untouched commercial structures while passing through govt schools and hospitals. The report was aptly titled 'Barukalude munnil paambakunna NH'

Dear Sachin No politicians dare to take a step against this we the mob has to take step or else our state will not develop.... only persons like what i meantioned before will develop

Vijith, as far as I know , the govt will definitely give the market value ( i.e the real value and not the nyaya vila ). eg for the Mahe Thalassery bypass in Azhiyur village the nyaya vila is Rs 20,000 per cent but the collector assured a group of aggrieved people from there that they would be given the real market rates ( i.e even upto Rs 1.5 lakhs per cent ) which is the market value at which transactions are currently taking place.

Ok for places like azhiyur and all but what about places where the real value is 4 and 5 lakhs willl they be ready to give? I yes i will be the first person to clear my place

From the Paloli news item posted above

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Angine karyangal parayendathu pole paranjapol sangathi clean :banana:

If the LDF and UDF govts cannot widen the existing national highway to 45 metre width, how come they acquire land from the newly proposed Chengannur - Kottarakara - Trivandrum railway line and Erumeli - Pathanamthitta - Punalur - Trivandrum railway line that will pass through important towns. I think these proposals will be paper project only as per the current situation.:bash:

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It seems the protests against the NH widening issue easing day by day.:)
Total 3 ministers in the state cabinet came forward by supporting the NH widening with 45m.(Jose Thettayil,Paloli Muhammed Kutty & Elamaram Kareem).
Elamaram Kareem yesterday told "the cabinet will again discuss about this issue again".
From opposition Ramesh Chennithala already cleared his stand for 45m width on the other day.
As per the 2009 statistics,due to the development of NH-17 & NH-47 (total 700km)approx.12,000 crores of investment is expected.But if "Kerala(?)" sticks to 30m this may affect adversly in future.
The sad part is that,the CM and Chandy not yet shown the "green flag" to go with 45m.:ohno:


Source : Kerala Kaumudi

Thiruvananthapuram, May 27

Group of Technology Companies (Gtech), a strategic grouping of software companies in Kerala, is of the view that reducing the width of the National Highways in the State would not be in its long-term interests or of its citizens.

The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) has approved the expansion of about 700 km of highway in the State at an estimated investment of Rs 10,000 crore over a 30-month period.

POLITICAL RESISTANCE

But this has come into resistance from almost the entire political class, which has demanded a reduction of the road width to 30 metres from the NHAI standard of 60 metres, citing the impact of land acquisition on affected people.

This has put the entire project at risk and the State could lose the approved funding and a project vital to its needs, according to the Gtech.

According to Mr V.K. Mathews, President, Gtech, whilst rehabilitation is the most important aspect that the State Government should focus on, there are also a lot of factually incorrect arguments on the impact of the expansions.

The total number of people that will be affected by the land acquisition will be less than 50,000, according to the study conducted by NHAIas against the 25 lakh put out by those arraigned against the project.

The good thing is that there are plenty of funds already available from the Centre for acquiring land at 2.5 times the market price.

CENTRAL FUNDS

“We must realise that the State Government, considering our financial situation and other priorities, cannot afford to acquire expensive land at all.

“Therefore, we should use the Central funds to facilitate total and effective rehabilitation,” Mr Mathews added.

Kerala boasts the highest vehicle density of 1:6 in the country (one vehicle for every six people, which is over four times the national average) and the highest annual traffic growth.

The State has an average of 11 deaths and 120 grievous injuries every day, due to road accidents. Pedestrian accidents account for a majority of this.

The number of families, especially those belonging to the weaker sections of the society, devastated by road accidents every year is alarmingly high.

Traffic bottlenecks increase transportation costs and for a consumer state like Kerala, this will mean higher costs for essential commodities.

PRODUCTIVITY LOSS

The productivity loss and increased fuel costs on the Thiruvananthapuram-Kochi stretch of NH-47 due to congestion and lower average speeds estimated to be about Rs 2,700 crore annually.

Mr Anoop Ambika, Secretary, Gtech, said that a study has revealed that the total number of families affected by road accidents each year in the State is three times that of the number of families affected by land acquisition for the National Highway development project.
Source (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/05/28/stories/2010052854182100.htm)

It seems the protests against the NH widening issue easing day by day.:)
Total 3 ministers in the state cabinet came forward by supporting the NH widening with 45m.(Jose Thettayil,Paloli Muhammed Kutty & Elamaram Kareem).
Elamaram Kareem yesterday told "the cabinet will again discuss about this issue again".
From opposition Ramesh Chennithala already cleared his stand for 45m width on the other day.
As per the 2009 statistics,due to the development of NH-17 & NH-47 (total 700km)approx.12,000 crores of investment is expected.But if "Kerala(?)" sticks to 30m this may affect adversly in future.
The sad part is that,the CM and Chandy not yet shown the "green flag" to go with 45m.:ohno:


Source : Kerala Kaumudi

About VS , no need to worry. In fact , it will be a miracle if he decides to go alongwith the majority. He has always been a ottayaan. Once CPM offically decides , his opinion will become irrelevant.

Oommen chettan is probably looking for the letter where he was promised NH development in 30 m by the Centre. :lol: Best of luck to him in his search. When he doesnt find it, he will quietly come around to the consensus view. :cheers:

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More support for NH-widening.
Elamaram Kareem said that the cabinet would reconsider the issue
Umman Chandy, Ramesh Chennithala and Pinarayi Vijayan demanded for a new all-party meeting.
DYFI State president TV Rajesh also supported
It was the transport minister Jose Thettayil who first came with support for 45m highway. Later minister Paloli muhammed kutty joined him.
Manorama reports that elevated highway of 30m width will be constucted at 9 places in NH-47. There wont be service road in such places. The existing road will become the service road.

Source: Malayalam Manorama

Manorama reports that elevated highway of 30m width will be constucted at 9 places in NH-47. There wont be service road in such places. The existing road will become the service road.
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That is a misleading statement that there won't be any service roads in the flyover area.
Of course where the piers are coming up for flyovers,the existing road will act as service roads to some extend only even if some land requirement will be there.Also,other than pier locations,ie; towards the approaches how these existing roads to be connected with the main highway??:nuts:
Just common sense..:)

@Vijith-Hi bro :) i understand your feelings :(
I hope everything goes well there :)

That is a misleading statement that there won't be any service roads in the flyover area.
Of course where the piers are coming up for flyovers,the existing road will act as service roads to some extend only even if some land requirement will be there.Also,other than pier locations,ie; towards the approaches how these existing roads to be connected with the main highway??:nuts:
Just common sense..:)

Ath thanne alle avarum paranje? ;)

Ath thanne alle avarum paranje? ;)
Is it??Then Read Carefully..
"There wont be service road in such places. The existing road will become the service road."
The flyover doesn't mean that the space between abutment to abutment and just below the girder/slab.It includes,the space beneath the girder/slab,abutments on both sides and approaches.The road beneath and surrounding the flyover need to connect the main highway only through service road.The existing road can be utilised for service road only the space between abutment to abutment.If you know any other method;you can share.:)

If need ONLY to cross the main highway you need not construct a flyover,but an underpass will serve the purpose.But these places are not like that.All are busy urban areas.

Also,all the points (technical) coming in newspapers may NOT ALWAYS be correct.:)

@Vijith-Hi bro :) i understand your feelings :(
I hope everything goes well there :)

There should be a formula which suites everyone.... No one should be loser.

There should be a formula which suites everyone.... No one should be loser.
This time onwards they are going for a negotiated approach. They meet each affected party separately and reach a figure. If the party does not agree with this figure, they can go for an appeal. At least this is the process that the NHAI team explained to a representative group that had gone to meet Kozhikode collector. I have full confidence that this time the compensation part will not be an issue and most of the opposition will melt away once the process actually starts. :)

Is it??Then Read Carefully..
"There wont be service road in such places. The existing road will become the service road."
The flyover doesn't mean that the space between abutment to abutment and just below the girder/slab.It includes,the space beneath the girder/slab,abutments on both sides and approaches.The road beneath and surrounding the flyover need to connect the main highway only through service road.The existing road can be utilised for service road only the space between abutment to abutment.If you know any other method;you can share.:)

If need ONLY to cross the main highway you need not construct a flyover,but an underpass will serve the purpose.But these places are not like that.All are busy urban areas.

Also,all the points (technical) coming in newspapers may NOT ALWAYS be correct.:)


Ath simple alle? What they said is there won't be service road in the elevated highway. Instead the road below will act as the service road. So from where the elevated highway starts the service road can join with road below. Highway with service road is 45m. Elevated highway is 30m. Then the service road will pass below the elevated highway. Ithil ippo entha ithra confusion?

What you said and what they said are same. Only they didn't explain much. My translation was a summarized one. Is my translation which is creating confusion? I thought you can read malayalam. ;)

This time onwards they are going for a negotiated approach. They meet each affected party separately and reach a figure. If the party does not agree with this figure, they can go for an appeal. At least this is the process that the NHAI team explained to a representative group that had gone to meet Kozhikode collector. I have full confidence that this time the compensation part will not be an issue and most of the opposition will melt away once the process actually starts. :)

Thats good news for people like me for whom the land and house near the NH is the only financial support. If the officials come to place to place for settling the final figure it would be too good.

Thats good news for people like me for whom the land and house near the NH is the only financial support. If the officials come to place to place for settling the final figure it would be too good.
They might not come to your place :) I think they get the list of land owners from Revenue Dept and call you to their office at a fixed time. But it will be one on one ( one plot at a time).

They might not come to your place :) I think they get the list of land owners from Revenue Dept and call you to their office at a fixed time. But it will be one on one ( one plot at a time).

Thanks a lot for the valuable information

More day dreaming :nuts:
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Central govt proposes a new expressway from Thrissur to Kanyakumari
Width will be 90m (12 lanes) :nuts: in 400 km stretch
Kerala govt demands that the project should be extended to Kasargod and Centre hasn't yet replied :lol:
Expressway will be constructed by NEAI and it will be in BOT
Project will start in 2012 :lol:
Route is not yet fixed but it may be through Muvattupuzha-Pathanamthitta-Nedumangad
The report worries whether a 90m expressway is practical in a small state like Kerala especially when 45m highway itself is in huge controversy :bash:


Source: Mathrubhumi

^^ Ee Aslesh inte oru kaaryam....eppozhum thamasha thanne... :lol:

Oommen chettan is probably looking for the letter where he was promised NH development in 30 m by the Centre. :lol: Best of luck to him in his search. When he doesnt find it, he will quietly come around to the consensus view. :cheers:

Ommen Chandy would have sent a letter to NHAI as he is (in)famous for writing letters (recommendation letters). So it will be a tough task for him to find the letter to NHAI and recollect the content of the letter. As a politician he knows only to write recommendation letters. He is ready to do that for anyone for any thing any time... :) No other politician would have written so many recommendation letters.
There was a comedy when he was the CM, that he was ready to write a recommendation letter to CM as an MLA :)

^^ Ee Aslesh inte oru kaaryam....eppozhum thamasha thanne... :lol:

Pinne ithokke kettal engane chirikkathirikkum. :lol: Ivide 45m NH undakkan ulla kashtapadu kando? Appozhan 90m wide expressway.

# Width will be 90m (12 lanes):nuts: in 400 km stretch
The proposal mentions only about a reserve RoW.Nowhere it is mentioned it should be 12 lanes.May be they intended to say the total lanes (Both ways)
The proposal says..

"A reserved ROW of 90m must be uniformly provided over the entire network except in hill sections/other sensitive areas where the ROW could be suitably modified if absolutely necessary."

# Kerala govt demands that the project should be extended to Kasargod and Centre hasn't yet replied:lol:
Not Correct.
Kerala Govt.recommended.

1.In the proposal the stretches of Mysore – Kozhikode and Kollam – Teni are also included to be taken up at a later stage. This may be agreed to as it would provide better connectivity of National Expressway Network.

Reply:

The Stretch Kozhikode –Mysore and Kollam - Teni stretches pass through the most Sensitive Zones of the area and hence these have not been considered at this of the study. Besides traffic indices also do not reveal the need for immediate provision of expressway links. It is of course a fact that these would improve the overall connectivity but then, these shall have to be considered only in the future.

Second

The route through which the Thrissur to Kanyakumari is fixed is not known. It is presumed that it will be through non sensitive/moderately sensitive zones. The requirement of extending the National Expressway reach from Thrissur to Kasargod and Mangalore may be stressed for.

Reply:

The expressway alignment proposed by the Consultants passes through the least sensitive area.Kasargod and Mangalore are already efficiently connected. The expressway alignment proposed by the Consultants meets with the indices that have been used for planning the National Network.

# Expressway will be constructed by NHAI and it will be in BOT
It will be constructed by NEAI not NHAI.The formation of NEAI is in process.Mean time the office of the NEAI will work on the 1st Floor of NHAI HQ in New Delhi.

# Route is not yet fixed but it may be through Muvattupuzha-Pathanamthitta-Nedumangad
This is just an assumption only.

The news report by Mathrubhumi also mentions that there is no mention about the implementation of Expressway which passes through Kerala.
This is also NOT correct.It is included in the Phase I and proposes the Thrissur-Kanyakumari stretch shall be start from 2012 alongwith other 10 proposed expressways in India.

Ath simple alle? What they said is there won't be service road in the elevated highway. Instead the road below will act as the service road. So from where the elevated highway starts the service road can join with road below. Highway with service road is 45m. Elevated highway is 30m. Then the service road will pass below the elevated highway. Ithil ippo entha ithra confusion?

What you said and what they said are same. Only they didn't explain much. My translation was a summarized one. Is my translation which is creating confusion? I thought you can read malayalam. ;)
The space just below the elevated portion ie; the end of pier (not exactly) to the exact edge of service road alignment; will be an extra space for service road.The service road edge will be at a minimum 1m away from the retaining wall of the approaches and mostly in straight,NOT in a zigzag manner.

It think now it is clear.:cheers:

The news report by Mathrubhumi also mentions that there is no mention about the implementation of Expressway which passes through Kerala.
This is also NOT correct.It is included in the Phase I and proposes the Thrissur-Kanyakumari stretch shall be start from 2012 alongwith other 11 proposed expressways in India.
Actually they are talking about phase II. No projects in Kerala for the second phase which included 22 highways.

The space just below the elevated portion ie; the end of pier (not exactly) to the exact edge of service road alignment; will be an extra space for service road.The service road edge will be at a minimum 1m away from the retaining wall of the approaches and mostly in straight,NOT in a zigzag manner.

It think now it is clear.:cheers:

Entharano entho?

Entharano entho?
Thats it..;)

Alla njammakkonum manasilayilla atha. ^^

Alla njammakkonum manasilayilla atha. ^^

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The CPI(M) State Secretariat instructed the Govt.to call for another "All Party" Meeting to discuss the NH Widening issue.The meeting will be held next week..

Source : Kerala Kaumudi,Manorama & Metro Vartha

PALAKKAD: The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) is incurring an expenditure of over Rs 2 crore a month on the staff deputed for land acquisition by the State Government due to the controversy over the confusion of restricting the width of the national highways in the state to 30 metres. The State Government has intimated its employees deputed for the land acquisition process not to proceed.

More than 300 employees have been posted on deputation at the offices of the Deputy Collector (Land acquisition). They include deputy collectors, tahasildars and staff, the salaries of whom are borne by the NHAI. They have also been provided vehicles, computers and other infrastructure which are also lying idle. Most of these offices are housed in rented buildings, whose rent is also borne by the NHAI. “An unnecessary controversy by political parties is causing the losses to the exchequer to the tune of crores and has resulted in wastage of national resources,” said an official who did not want to be named.

These employees who have been posted for the widening of the Cherthala-Kazhakootam-Kaliyakavila strech of NH 47 and the Kasaragod-Edapally stretch of NH 17 have literally nothing to do ever since the controversy broke out.

At present, only the Palakkad and Thrissur offices of the Deputy Collector (Land acquisition ) has been functioning since the land has already been acquired for this stretch. In the Palakkad office, there was one Deputy Collector and two tahsildars while at the Thrissur office there was one Deputy Collector and three tahsildars. Walayar-Vaniampara stretch: The tenders have been floated for this stretch and 12 companies have been shortlisted. One of them would be awarded the work.

The land in 19 villages have been acquired and handed over to the NHAI. The payment was being made to the people from whom the land has been acquired.

The Walayar-Vaniampara was a 45-metre-wide road facilitating four lane traffic while the Vanniampara-Mannuthy road was a 60-metre road which was six-lane.

The work on the Vanniampara-Mannuthy road has already been tendered and work has already begun.

Source (http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/state%E2%80%99s-stand-causing-losses-to-nhai/176989.html)

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Avidentha kure photos allathe? Elevated highwayude thazhe service road undakkam enn paranjathin njan enthokkeya eeswara ee kanandath.

Avidentha kure photos allathe? Elevated highwayude thazhe service road undakkam enn paranjathin njan enthokkeya eeswara ee kanandath.
Yes.Picture presentation is much useful than a descriptive explanation.Thats why I suggested that.:)You can see so many examples there,how the service road under these flyover are being constructed etc etc..

There should be a formula which suites everyone.No one should be loser.

Yeah :)
If government is working for the people,they should not cheat the people.They should give the exact money.
It is very dissapointing that poor people are loosing houses for NH development.
Even if they are given money by the government,they have a close relation with the house which they are staying.

Yes.Picture presentation is much useful than a descriptive explanation.Thats why I suggested that.:)You can see so many examples there,how the service road under these flyover are being constructed etc etc..

Appo ath pole ang undakkiya pore prashnam theernnille. Ividippo entha problem?

35th National games,Kerala
Most of the stadium construction are not even started.
Some are incomplete.
Good news is that the games have been postponed to 2011 November.
It was to be held from May 1-14 2010.


Venues


Thiruvananthapuram

•Opening and closing ceremony - University Stadium
•Athletics - University Stadium
•Warm up ground - CSN Stadium
•Swimming and Diving - Water Works Swimming Pool
•Water Polo - Pirappan code Swimming Pool (By KSC)
•Cycling - LNCPE, Kariavattom (By SAI)
•Gymnastic - Jimmy George Indoor Stadium
•Kho-Kho & Kabaddi - Sreepadam Stadium, Attingal (By SAI)
•Taekwondo + Netball - Vellayani Agricultural College Indoor Stadium
•Tennis - Trivandrum Tennis Club
•Cycle Polo - CSN Stadium
•Squash - CSN Stadium
•Triathlon & Wushu - IRC Shangumugham and beach
•Kalaippayat (Demo) - CSN Stadium

Kollam

•Hockey Men & Women - (By SAI)
•Rugby -
•Handball - Proposed Indoor Stadium Kollam / Jimmy George Stadium, TVM
•Beach Handball - Kollam beach

Alappuzha

•Canoeing/Kayaking
•Rowing - (By SAI)
•Boat Race – demo

Kochi

•Archery - Maharaja’s College, Ernakulam
•Badminton - Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Ernakulam
•Fencing, Karate - St. Peter’s College Indoor Stadium, Kolenchery
•Shooting - Police Academy, Thrissur
•Lawn bowls - Maharaja’s College Ground, Ernakulam
•Yatching - Vembanad Lake, Kochi
•Table Tennis - Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Ernakulam

Thrissur

•Judo - Indoor Stadium, Thirssur
•Weightlifting - Indoor Stadium, Thirssur
•Boxing M&W - Lulu Centre, Thrissur
•Football (Women) - Corporation Stadium, Thrissur

Kozhikode

•Football - Corporation Stadium (no work) + Medical College (By SAI)
•Volleyball M&W - V.K.K. Menon Indoor Stadium
•Beach Volleyball - Beach
•Sepak Takraw - Indoor Stadium, Kozhikode

Kannur

•Basketball M & W - New Stadium will be constructed under upgradation schemes.
•Wrestling - New Stadium will be constructed under upgradation schemes.


For more information,please visit the website
http://www.35thnationalgames.in

Appo ath pole ang undakkiya pore prashnam theernnille. Ividippo entha problem?
Undakkam..Undakkanam...Undakkathirikkaruthu...:)
Prasnam Theerna Matiyayirunnu..
Entha Problem??

Yeah :)
If government is working for the people,they should not cheat the people.They should give the exact money.
It is very dissapointing that poor people are loosing houses for NH development.
Even if they are given money by the government,they have a close relation with the house which they are staying.

Yah you are true, but anyway we willl have to move instead standing against development, whatever amount they give it is painful to move from the house we constructed and loved but..... so if we dont get the amount what we dserve it would double the disaster.

Oommen chettan is probably looking for the letter where he was promised NH development in 30 m by the Centre. :lol: Best of luck to him in his search. When he doesnt find it, he will quietly come around to the consensus view. :cheers:

But what Umman Chandy said is true. When he was CM in 2005 NHAI had accepted to reduce the width to 30 metres. Then VS became CM and later in 2007 it was decided to increase RoW to 45 metres. It is clearly mentioned in the project report. http://www.nhai.org/Project%20Report_Cherthalai%20Ochira%20NH-47_PKG-I_.zip http://www.nhai.org/Project%20Report_Ochira%20Trivendrum%20NH-47_PKG-II_.zip


10.7 Right of Way (ROW)
On the insistence of the State Govt. of Kerala during the meeting taken by the Hon’ble Chief Minister at Thiruvananthapuram on 08.11.2005, NHAI/ICT were constrained to develop the X-sections for 4 laning within the existing Right of Way (ROW) width of 30m. This had the following inherent drawbacks:
i) Non availability of space for 4.5m wide Median as per Ministry’s / NHAI guidelines
ii) Non Provision of 1m wide earthen shoulders on both sides of the 4-lane road
iii) Only 5.5m width of service roads including 1.5m width for side drain and 0.5m for utility services
iv) No space for stacking lane for turning traffic in medium opening for safety
v) Non availability of adequate space for utility services
vi) No space for bus bays, bus shelters, parking areas etc.
vii) No scope of future expansion
11. REPORTS SUBMITTED
Feasibility Report of the project was submitted to NHAI on 29.12.2005.
Draft Preliminary Project Report for Package I i.e. km 379.100 to km 465.000 was submitted to NHAI on 20.01.2007. These reports were based on the earlier decision of 4 laning in the existing 30m Right of way (ROW) width.
12. LATER DEVELOPMENTS
During the meeting taken by the Hon’ble Minister for Shipping, Road Transport & Highways with the Chief Minister of Kerala at Thiruvananthapuram on 23rd May 2007, it was decided that 4-laning of NH-47 from Cherthalai to Thiruvananthapuram will be carried out in 45m. Right of Way (ROW) width and NOT in 30m existing ROW as desired by the State Govt. of Kerala. This has resulted in complete change of design and drawings by the consultants.
• Due to change in ROW width from 30m to 45m new cross-sections for 4-laning were developed and sent to NHAI for approval on 31.05.2007 and 06.07.2007.
• NHAI was informed that the change would involve additional inputs of survey, extensive Land Acquisition Plans, Resettlement Plans, Environmental Management Plans and preparation of entire design and drawings afresh.
• Case for additional cost of Rs. 94.31 Lakhs (excluding service tax) as Variation was submitted to NHAI vide ICT letter no. ICT:436:TL:4447 dated 31.05.2007.
• NHAI was also informed on 31.05.2007 that fresh exercise would require Extension of Time (EOT) of 8 months for preparing DPR.
13. PRESENT STATUS
• Approval in principle for the modified 4-lane cross-section has been received from NHAI vide their letter no. NHAI/BOT/11012/67/2005 dated 15.11.2007.
• Extension of Time (EOT) upto 31st Jan 2008 has been approved by NHAI vide their letter of 15.11.2007 referred to above.
• Meeting of the variation committee has been held in NHAI on 14.03.2008. Approval for additional cost as variation is awaited from NHAI.

35th National games,Kerala
Most of the stadium construction are not even started.
Some are incomplete.
Good news is that the games have been postponed to 2011 November.
It was to be held from May 1-14 2010.


Venues


Thiruvananthapuram

•Opening and closing ceremony - University Stadium
•Athletics - University Stadium
•Warm up ground - CSN Stadium
•Swimming and Diving - Water Works Swimming Pool
•Water Polo - Pirappan code Swimming Pool (By KSC)
•Cycling - LNCPE, Kariavattom (By SAI)
•Gymnastic - Jimmy George Indoor Stadium
•Kho-Kho & Kabaddi - Sreepadam Stadium, Attingal (By SAI)
•Taekwondo + Netball - Vellayani Agricultural College Indoor Stadium
•Tennis - Trivandrum Tennis Club
•Cycle Polo - CSN Stadium
•Squash - CSN Stadium
•Triathlon & Wushu - IRC Shangumugham and beach
•Kalaippayat (Demo) - CSN Stadium

Kollam

•Hockey Men & Women - (By SAI)
•Rugby -
•Handball - Proposed Indoor Stadium Kollam / Jimmy George Stadium, TVM
•Beach Handball - Kollam beach

Alappuzha

•Canoeing/Kayaking
•Rowing - (By SAI)
•Boat Race – demo

Kochi

•Archery - Maharaja’s College, Ernakulam
•Badminton - Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Ernakulam
•Fencing, Karate - St. Peter’s College Indoor Stadium, Kolenchery
•Shooting - Police Academy, Thrissur
•Lawn bowls - Maharaja’s College Ground, Ernakulam
•Yatching - Vembanad Lake, Kochi
•Table Tennis - Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Ernakulam

Thrissur

•Judo - Indoor Stadium, Thirssur
•Weightlifting - Indoor Stadium, Thirssur
•Boxing M&W - Lulu Centre, Thrissur
•Football (Women) - Corporation Stadium, Thrissur

Kozhikode

•Football - Corporation Stadium (no work) + Medical College (By SAI)
•Volleyball M&W - V.K.K. Menon Indoor Stadium
•Beach Volleyball - Beach
•Sepak Takraw - Indoor Stadium, Kozhikode

Kannur

•Basketball M & W - New Stadium will be constructed under upgradation schemes.
•Wrestling - New Stadium will be constructed under upgradation schemes.


For more information,please visit the website
http://www.35thnationalgames.in

Kiddu, that means the National games will be held after the next Assembly elections. Most probably, UDF will be in power during the time of National Games. Will the current government be interested in the infrastructural development of the games in such a scenario when the fruits of the development activities will be enjoyed by the new government (most probably congress govt.):bash:

[QUOTE=Aslesh;57689669]But what Umman Chandy said is true. When he was CM in 2005 .....

2005 le kaaryam maatram parayaruthu, palakaayangal last Sarkaar paranjittundu taking stock of the two proposed projects

HILL HIGHWAY

Circa 2005
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/01/27/stories/2005012701511300.htm

Circa 2008
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/kerala-gears-up-for-rs-1-000cr-spice-corridor/338069/


West Coast Highway

Circa 2002
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2002110403300500.htm&date=2002/11/04/&prd=th&

Circa 2009

http://www.thehindu.com/2009/12/01/stories/2009120150100100.htm
http://www.rbdck.com/php/rbdcknews.php?CatID=227&type=N

Circa 2010

This becomes a GO this year, the progress from 2002 to 2010 is a mere GO.
http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/government-order-espouses-nh-six-laning/176752.html


The Silver Lining here is that there is progress and will soon see these implemented through one of the BOT clones.
Its better to PAY toll

But what Umman Chandy said is true.

Looks like I did Oomachhen an injustice.


2005 le kaaryam maatram parayaruthu, palakaayangal last Sarkaar paranjittundu taking stock of the two proposed projects

HILL HIGHWAY

Circa 2005
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/01/27/stories/2005012701511300.htm

Circa 2008
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/kerala-gears-up-for-rs-1-000cr-spice-corridor/338069/


West Coast Highway

Circa 2002
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2002110403300500.htm&date=2002/11/04/&prd=th&

Circa 2009

http://www.thehindu.com/2009/12/01/stories/2009120150100100.htm
http://www.rbdck.com/php/rbdcknews.php?CatID=227&type=N

Circa 2010

This becomes a GO this year, the progress from 2002 to 2010 is a mere GO.
http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/government-order-espouses-nh-six-laning/176752.html


The reading of the various links made interesting reading. In fact , if you remove the dateline from the report , it will be hard to tell which news came when - showing how little has actually happened between 2002 and 2010 :ohno:

Be any govt....all the BIG projects will start in there 4th anniversary of there govt

Just election tricks... between all that ...luckily some smalll projects will get meterialize to show up for the nxt election....

GOD only knows when sombody who is really SINCERE (no use if one is sincere in a group of 20 or 21) to public will rule our state...

:cheers:

Yes Raghu.
National games will be held after the LDF government term.
Infact,some newspapers reported that the LDF government is delaying the National games.
It was there on yesterday's Metro Manorama(Trivandrum edition)
I will try to post the news here.

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: With the football World Cup set to start in South Africa in a fortnight's time, millions of lovers of the game in Kerala are gearing up for the fiesta as the sport is followed passionately in the state.

The enthusiasm is already visible on the streets, especially in the districts of north Kerala and Malappuram, as the June 11-July 11 event approaches. Shops too have piled up soccer memorabilia.

Flags, banners and cutouts of the teams and star players are getting ready. Some of the cutouts of Brazil, Germany, Argentina, France, Italy, not to mention Ivory Coast, have already found their way to the streets. Over the next few days, giant size pictures of stars like Kaka, Robinho, Thiery Henry, Lionel Messi, Theo Walcott, Didier Drogba, Peter Crouch will signal the arrival of the World Cup.

In the central Kerala district of Kottayam, unlike in the past, this time the enthusiasm has gathered momentum early with various clubs and shops piling up stocks of banners, posters and jerseys.

"In the last World Cup we were not ready because we were not sure if we would be able to do business in selling the national jerseys of various teams and were a bit cautious," said a textile shop owner near Kottayam.

"Once the event started, we did get a steady number of inquiries, but by then it was too late. So this time we have made arrangements with leading manufacturers that they would supply us any number of jerseys at short notice."

Football enthusiast and two time independent legislator Manjalamkuzhi Ali, who hails from Malappuram, said as always he would follow the Brazilians.

"But this time, I do not have high hopes of how far they will reach. Even though they are capable of making an impact, they are equally capable of disappointing their fans. Let us wait and see. This time any prediction will be tough, but nevertheless it is going to be a few weeks of football mania," Ali said.

With the IPL fiasco and the Indian cricket team crashing out of the T20 World Cup last month, for the time being cricket has taken a back seat and children as well as youth are concentrating on football.

"I am a keen football fan. During my 90 minutes of travel to college everyday, I have observed that interest in football has picked up," remarked Shreya Punnoose studying in a college in Pathanamthitta.

Sports shops in the state capital are leaving nothing to chance as they stock up footballs, jerseys, boots and stockings.

"We are fully ready with stocks and sales are gradually picking up. Sales will peak once the first round of matches gets into high gear," said C. Rajesh who owns a premier sports shop.

To whip up football passion across the state, former players of Kerala Police are organising an exhibition football match against a rest of Kerala team comprising veterans like former India captain Xavier Pious, Victor Manjila and Najummudin.

"We feel this is the right time to have an exhibition football match to be held here so that the mood is created in the minds of Keralites," senior police officer P.P. Thobias said.

Thobias, who captained the Indian youth football team and also donned the colours for the senior national team, said he will put his money on Brazil.

There is a hitch though. With a leading cable distribution company having a dispute with sports channels over telecast rates, football fans in Kerala are wondering if they be able to catch the action live on their television sets.

Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thirupuram/Kerala-gets-ready-for-World-Cup-fiesta-/articleshow/5989475.cms)

Yes ajith.That cable is Asianet :bash:
It is because ESPN-Starsports increases their rate when worldcup comes.
This time T20 Worldcup and football worldcup came together.
So they doubled the rate.Asianet couldn't pay the rate.So ESPN stopped connection with Asianet :(
Only if Asianet can pay the amount,we will get the telecast.
Its shame on Asianet because the local channels in Trivandrum(Like TCN) started telecasting ESPN-Starsports :bash:

But don't worry.During the time of worldcup,a channel named 'TVE'
will come.In that channel, we can watch the worldcup :)

Yes ajith.That cable is Asianet :bash:
It is because ESPN-Starsports increases their rate when worldcup comes.
This time T20 Worldcup and football worldcup came together.
So they doubled the rate.Asianet couldn't pay the rate.So ESPN stopped connection with Asianet :(
Only if Asianet can pay the amount,we will get the telecast.
Its shame on Asianet because the local channels in Trivandrum(Like TCN) started telecasting ESPN-Starsports :bash:

But don't worry.During the time of worldcup,a channel named 'TVE'
will come.In that channel, we can watch the worldcup :)
No problem...We don't have Asianet Cable here..Also we are not using Cable TV..:)

Guys who are using Dish TV and Tata Sky don't have any problem :)
But most of the keralites are using Asianet cable :(
Even me :bash:

Guys who are using Dish TV and Tata Sky don't have any problem :)

Tata Sky is NOT recommended in Kerala.Because in Tata Sky you will get only Asianet,Asianet News,Kairali TV,Surya TV,Amritha TV,DD Malayalam & Kiran TV as Malayalam channels..:ohno:

The video and lyrics (http://eyedealab.com/blog/general/2010-world-cup-anthem-by-knaan-with-lyrics/) for the FIFA 2010 World Cup official song by K'naan.

Give me freedom, give me fire, give me reason, take me higher
See the champions, take the field now, you define us, make us feel proud
In the streets our heads are lifting, as we lose our inhibition,
Celebration its around us, every nations, all around us

^^Good Find...

The video and lyrics (http://eyedealab.com/blog/general/2010-world-cup-anthem-by-knaan-with-lyrics/) for the FIFA 2010 World Cup official song by K'naan.

Give me freedom, give me fire, give me reason, take me higher
See the champions, take the field now, you define us, make us feel proud
In the streets our heads are lifting, as we lose our inhibition,
Celebration its around us, every nations, all around us

Sachin, the lines created the ambience. I am in Word Cup fever. There is only one World Cup. That is the FIFA World Cup. My favourite team is Argentina. But watch out for the old champions Uruguay, they are gonna create some surprise this time.

France....beware of Uruguay in first round.


World Cup - All time statistics, facts and history:

FIFA World Cup - Everything to know about (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup)

^^ I love Argentina as well but Maradona naked wont be a pretty sight :lol:

World Cup: Panic in Argentina if Diego Maradona's naked truth is realized

People might soon be fleeing Buenos Aires in droves.

The mass exodus will only gather steam if Argentina progresses, as expected, through the upcoming World Cup. The city of more than 12 million could be empty by July 11.

The reason? Diego Armando Maradona and his most recent proclamation.

Having shown the "hand of God" to useful effect for his country in 1986, the short, pudgy and -- let's be honest -- not especially attractive Maradona is promising to show his countrymen (and countrywomen) even more in 2010.

"If we win the World Cup, I will run naked around El Obelisco in the center of Buenos Aires," Argentina's coach said in an interview with radio station FM Metro.

Following is a short description/narration of one of the contemporary Mallu movies released recently
..http://voice.mytechnopark.com/uploads/200_untitled.JPG

Two-wheelers and three-wheelers will not be allowed to use the highway and all other vehicles will have to pay the toll fee when they pass through the toll plaza even for plying a distance of one kilometre, according to the Highway Action Forum. The NHAI has clarified that there won’t be any restriction for two-wheelers and three-wheelers on the proposed 45-m highways and they do not have to pay toll for using the new highway.
The minimum toll fee for a car will be Rs 72, while it will be Rs 126 for trucks/buses, Rs 253 for LCVs and Rs 542 for multi-axle heavy vehicles.

If the buses and trucks are overloaded, the fee will increase according to the excess weight. There won’t be any concession for students. The BOT companies have been authorised to hike the toll fee by 12 to 15 percent per year. The BOT toll companies in the country are making huge profits.“There will be only one toll plaza for each package. For example; there will be only two toll plazas between Cherthala to Kazhakkoottam on the NH-47. So the distance between two toll plazas is roughly 105 kms. People living within 20-km radius of the toll plaza can use the road for local travel at a minimum user fee of Rs 150/- per month. This should enable usage of the highway as many times as needed by school buses, local bus services and other vehicles,’’ pointed out NHAI sources.

Quoting from the ‘NH fee determination of rates and collection rules 2008’, they said the toll rates were fixed on the basis of the size of the vehicle. The rates per kilometre are as follows; car-60 paise, buses and trucks - Rs. 2.20, other heavy vehicles - Rs. 3.45. These rates will not be increased according to the load carried or number of passengers in the vehicles. The government is the sole authority to increase the toll rate annually based on the wholesale price index (WPI) variation.
The Noida Toll Bridge Co Ltd is an instance in this regard. The average toll income of the company which started in February 2001 stood at Rs 1.08 million per day in 2006-07 and Rs 1.49 million in 2007-08, which shows an increase of 39 percent in a year.Clarifying a specific case pointed out by the Forum, NHAI sources said the Noida Toll Bridge Co Ltd was engaged prior to the implementation of the above mentioned rules; hence cannot be cited in comparison to the present project.
The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) has entered into an agreement with the BOT companies to construct the NHs at a rate of Rs 17.80 crore per km while the actual cost would not exceed Rs 4 to 6 crores. It is stipulated that the NH-47 should be constructed 1.5m to 3m higher than the existing roads.“The actual cost involved in the construction of 45-m-wide roads along with service roads cannot be estimated at Rs 7 crore per km. Construction of National Highways include bridges, overbridges, drainages, shoulders and many other standard specifications which are of superior quality as compared to PWD roads. The proposed highways are planned in the same level as the existing roads,’’ they said.
The proposed move of the Union Government to enter into a tie-up with a UK agency for safety training and licencing is another concern. Union Surface Transport Minister Kamalnath has already hinted at the move and held talks with British Transport secretary Andrew Adnois in this regard.

According to Giriprasad R Umayanalloor, Kollam taluk secretary of the Highway Action Forum, even those who possess driving licences will have to pass the test conducted by the UK agency to drive vehicles on the national highways. For obtaining the permission of the UK agency one will have to spend around Rs 35,000, he said. They dismissed the rumour of a tie-up with a UK agency for road safety training and licencing as baseless.


Sources : Widening highways not a smooth ride (http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/widening-highways-not-a-smooth-ride/177779.html) & No bar on two-wheelers, three-wheelers (http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/no-bar-on-two-wheelers-three-wheelers-on-nh/177955.html) From Expressbuzz

^^ Where do these jokers come up with statements like this? Does this guy think we will need two licenses now - one for NH and one for other roads? Someone should tell him four and six lane NHs are already common in rest of India. Only in Kerala , ignoramuses like him are creating problems.

LONDON: One of Britain's prominent literary and cultural festivals is moving overseas and will hold its first such event in Kerala in November, organisers said.

The Hay Festival, which is held in Hay-on-Wye, Wales, attracts nearly 1 lakh people every year. It is currently being held in the small town from May 27 to June 6, featuring leading writers, journalists, artists and musicians.

The event in Kerala is a collaboration between the Hay Festival and Teamwork Productions. Together they will put on about 30 events over three full days ranging from conversations to performances.

Up to a dozen international authors, 10 leading Indian writers and 15 authors of local language will lead discussions, readings and debates.

Lyndy Cooke, executive director, Hay Festival said, "We are very excited to celebrate the Hay Festival in India. Kerala became the obvious choice for its high literacy rate and popular tourist destination. The Festival will create a platform to present Indian writing to an international audience."

Sanjoy K Roy, of Teamwork Productions said, "The Hay-on-Wye festival is an absolute delight for any book lover and we look forward to its first India edition. Besides the razzmatazz of literature, the festival will also generate and explore new ideas on arts, poetry and storytelling."

Since its launch in the mid 1980s the Hay Festival of Literature has expanded internationally and become a recognised global brand. It is a not-for-profit institution.

It runs events in Sergovia, Spain, Cartagena de Indias and Bogota in Colombia and last year launched events in Kenya and Beirut.

Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Thirupuram/Hay-Festival-coming-to-Kerala-/articleshow/5995127.cms)

Centre must clarify stand on National Highways, says VS

Special Correspondent

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Kerala Chief Minister V.S. Achuthanandan has said that the State is awaiting clarification from the Centre on the proposal for widening the national highways passing through Kerala.

Some people had changed their stand after submitting a memorandum on the subject to the Prime Minister, but the government could not do that. The Centre must come up with a satisfactory rehabilitation package.

There was no question of compromising on the position that the roads could not be built in Build-Operate-Transfer mode.

Pointing out that there was acute scarcity of land in the State, the Chief Minister wanted to know how the State could afford to have wider roads as proposed by officials here and the Centre. He had phoned up Union Minister for Surface Transport Kamal Nath and requested him to take an early decision on the issue.

Mr. Kamal Nath had assured him that the decision would be communicated to the State at the earliest.

The Hindu report (http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/02/stories/2010060257741100.htm)

KOCHI: The Kerala High Court on Thursday criticised the State Government for not reconstituting the Devaswom Board. “It is a failure on the part of the government.

The condition of temples in the state is equivalent to that of orphanages,” observed a Division Bench comprising Justices C N Ramachandran and P S Gopinathan.

The court said this while disposing of the petition filed by the Travancore Devaswom Employees Confederation challenging the transfer of 67 employees.

Devaswom Chief Commissioner K Jayakumar’s action invalidating the list had invited the wrath of the court on Monday. Devaswom Commissioner P V Nalinakshan Nair appeared before the court in person and handed over the files, as directed by the court on Monday.

The court directed the government to take steps to reconstitute the Devaswom Board and to constitute a Devaswom Reforms Commission. The court further directed the Devaswom Chief Commissioner to consider the appeals against transfer and to dispose of at the erliest.

Counsel for Devaswom submitted that the list of transferees had not been invalidated, but its validity extended till July 1. “Corruption has become common in the Devaswom Board and the difference of opinion prevails only regarding the sharing of the benefits of corruption.

Those in higher position are functioning for their own interests. Though the Board has been highly politicised, politicians cannot be avoided in the present situation.

But politicians with a clean track record should be entrusted with the charge of Devaswom Board,” the Bench observed.

The court said it would be better if there is a centralised system for purchasing materials required for the temples.

“Increasing the number of cases related to the Devaswom Board has become a major responsibility of the High Court,” the court said.

Source (http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/hc-slams-state-for-not-revamping-devaswom-board/178177.html)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5069/downloaduj.jpg

Achumama still against highway development. He says that unlike other states land is scarce in Kerala. So more than 30m width is not possible here. He also said there is no need of a garden in the middle of the road. :lol:

Source: Manorama

KOCHI: The Kerala High Court on Thursday criticised the State Government for not reconstituting the Devaswom Board. “It is a failure on the part of the government.

The condition of temples in the state is equivalent to that of orphanages,” observed a Division Bench comprising Justices C N Ramachandran and P S Gopinathan.


Source (http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/hc-slams-state-for-not-revamping-devaswom-board/178177.html)

Many temples under the Devaswom Board are in a sorry state of affairs.

It's high time these temples got liberated from the control of Devaswom Board. :bash:

Lack of Vision....

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5069/downloaduj.jpg

Achumama still against highway development. He says that unlike other states land is scarce in Kerala. So more than 30m width is not possible here. He also said there is no need of a garden in the middle of the road. :lol:

Source: Manorama

^^ This is hilarious indeed! But I dont know which smilies would be apt here especially when reading those red-marked 'mahad vachanangal' from this once-in-a-lifetime CM. :bow:

^^ Don't say anything against our great great CM(Constipation Minister). See his face. :lol:

^^:lol:

How they will have vision or wisdom? See their educational qualification

http://www.keralacm.gov.in/kodiyeri.htm

Some how some of them completed at least graduation. For some including CM no qualification at all. Evaranu Manmohan singhineyum, Sasi Tharoorineyum Kaliyakki natakkunnathu. Pavangal.

^^ Come on guys. These kind of personal attacks should be avoided. They add nothing of any value to the discussion. Comparisons are odious. What use is MMS' doctorate if he cant use his wisdom to sack someone as corrupt as A Raja? Surely , there are other places to discuss politics. It will only vitiate the atmosphere here.

^^ Don't say anything against our great great CM(Constipation Minister). See his face. :lol: Aslesh. maybe you would prefer John Abraham as our CM :lol:

Having seen our moderator's photo ( no offense , Sudheesh ) and being one of the few to have put my photo on my profile, thus making myself very easily identifiable, I think it will be best ( both from a health point of view and to see my dream come true of posting 100+ posts on this forum), if this is the last political comment I make on this platform.

Don't say anything against our great great CM(Constipation Minister). See his face.
Aslesh. maybe you would prefer John Abraham as our CM :lol:


Athentha John Abrahamin loose motion ano? :lol:

^^ :rofl:

Have heard of people deciding whom to vote for based on party manifesto, candidate image, issues etc. But toilet output is a new one :lol:

Lack of Vision....

I don't understand what is wrong with this. His face??? do you people all have a supermodel figure?? huh!
except the first sentence(which say NH only need a 30mtre width) rest all are simply FACTS. I respect those.

^^:lol:
Some how some of them completed at least graduation. For some including CM no qualification at all. Evaranu Manmohan singhineyum, Sasi Tharoorineyum Kaliyakki natakkunnathu. Pavangal.

Man, there is nothing realted to education qualifications. there is lot of highly educated criminals too. I don't think only education will make differences.

Achumama fans ilaki. Escaaaaaaape :runaway:

Achumama fans ilaki. Escaaaaaaape :runaway:

:lol:

BTW, the only thing which I like about Achumama is that he's not corrupt and fraud, unlike his in his party rivals Pinarayi, Kodiyeri etc. (eventhough Kottayam hasn't got any benefit under Achumama's rule)

Achumamayude Kaalam kazhinjal CPMinte gathi Athogathi. Pinne Thonnyavasamakum Sambhavikkuka.:nuts:

അച്ചു മാമായുടെ കാലം കഴിഞ്ഞാല്* സിപിഎം ഇന്റെ ഗതി അതോഗതി തന്നെ. പിന്നെ തോന്ന്യവസമാകും സംഭവിക്കുക.

P.S.: This is just my opinion. If anyone doesn't like it, don't take it, but no comments please. :)

Achumama fans ilaki. Escaaaaaaape :runaway:

Oh, NALLA, SORRY നല്ല്ല കാര്യായിപ്പോയി. !! But you peaple are just posting immature comments. I just respect him because unlike other politicians he is not a കാട്ടുകള്ളന്* .
And I am not interested in പൈങ്കിളി വികസനം promoted by Manorama and others. they are talking that tomorrow Kerala will become California. And Kochi will be the next Newyork.
There is lot of ground realities in Kerala. we canot simply avoid our environment. peaple are coming here to watch our Natural beauty, not the ugly looking concrete structures (fairly speaking most of our skyscrapers looks really bad. we are just posting dancing bananas under all dumb pics) We need to consider all the statesmen before proposing any development projects.

To me personally.....i like his political attitude of him to some extent...but just thought that the approach towards widening of NH47 wasnt up to a visionary perspective....didnt intend to hurt anyone...was just my say to the subject...:)

I don't understand what is wrong with this. His face??? do you people all have a supermodel figure?? huh!
except the first sentence(which say NH only need a 30mtre width) rest all are simply FACTS. I respect those.



Man, there is nothing realted to education qualifications. there is lot of highly educated criminals too. I don't think only education will make differences.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8707/shivab.jpg

May be rare in Kerala..But its very common scene in TN...:lol:

Picture Courtesy : Kerala Kaumudi

Achumamayude Kaalam kazhinjal CPMinte gathi Athogathi. Pinne Thonnyavasamakum Sambhavikkuka.:nuts:

അച്ചു മാമായുടെ കാലം കഴിഞ്ഞാല്* സിപിഎം ഇന്റെ ഗതി അതോഗതി തന്നെ. പിന്നെ തോന്ന്യവസമാകും സംഭവിക്കുക.



എന്തൊക്കെ പറഞ്ഞാലും അടുത്തകൊല്ലം ഈ കള്ളന്മാര്* പോകും ... പകരം കൊള്ളക്കാര്* വരും... :nuts:

എന്തൊക്കെ പറഞ്ഞാലും അടുത്തകൊല്ലം ഈ കള്ളന്മാര്* പോകും ... പകരം കൊള്ളക്കാര്* വരും... :nuts:

Great yaar

HI FRIENDS IS NATIONAL HIGHWAY WIDENING A DEAD ISSUE NOW??
NO TALKS AND DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THAT NOW A DAYS??

^^ Current status : Kerala govt is waiting for formal response from Kamal Nath / Central Govt on reducing NH width in Kerala to 30m. When this is received , bhaavi paripaadikal will be decided , including calling an all-party meeting again to re-discuss the issue. Until then, all steps including land acquisition are on hold. UDF in its last meeting has asked constituents to come out with their individual positions on NH widening.

What it really means : Basically all parties have decided NHs in Kerala will need to be 45m wide, but dont want to be the ones seen to be behind this unpopular ( ??? ) decision. So LDF wants to highlight this is a കേന്ദ്ര പദ്ധതി . Ummen Chandy has said first state govt has to take a decision and then UDF will give its opinion. Hopefully , Kerala wont miss the NH train in this pahle aap , pahle aap scenario. ആപ് വെക്കുന്നത് കേരളത്തിന്* ആവാതിരുന്നാല്* മതി ആയിരുന്നു :lol:

Mean while,the so-called "artists & Profs." continue to write bull shits again and again,:bash:even after NHAI itself given clarifications..The same points are again writing by these @#$%^..:bash:They just want to see their names frequently on media by writing such bull shits which nowhere matching to reality... :lol:

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Source : Kerala Kaumudi

Funny that the media writes a lot abt land availablity and population density etc. The "state" that is acquiring and building infrastructure the most is Delhi - which I guess would be much sparsely populated than Kerala.

Citing Kerala Kaumudhi news above..

Its really appalling to see the so called social reformists/unkown PROF.. writing and generating press reports with least understanding of the ground realities & contorting social mindset.I fail to understand these people intentions and their motives.

^^ Yeah, KK carried an utterly idiotic article on the futility of developing the highways to >30m especially under Kerala's 'special' characteristics. The article was one of the worst I've read about this, so many factually wrong points and moronic accusations. This is what happens if every Kunjiramans around start to give out their 'expert' opinions about something they haven't a clue about. Shocking that Kaumudi regularly carries such imbecilic articles on their facepage. :ohno: