Plan to Transform KL into 24-hour city

[Xfactor]

Mayor plans to transform KL into a 24-hour city
City Hall moves to persuade people to live in city centre

KUALA LUMPUR - Plans are under way to transform the capital into a 24-hour happening centre.

City mayor Mohmad Shaid Mohamad Taufek is persuading people to live in the city centre and, in due course, the city's eateries, transportation systems and even laundry services will be open 24 hours.

Kuala Lumpur should be alive 24 hours of the day, the mayor said.

City Hall, he said, would encourage the development of residential buildings such as condominiums and apartments to cater to new city residents. In the initial stage of development, the project will cater to the city's future economic growth.

'As the economy moves, the people's need for things beyond the normal 12 hours will create the demand for a 24-hour city,' Datuk Mohmad Shaid said.

Having a city alive throughout the night will generate a livelier tourism and business industry.

'Tourists won't just come to the city at 8pm. They will want to eat and enjoy themselves at all hours of the night, from 11pm until 5am.

'But to cater to these tourists, we will need workers to work until morning - probably in shifts.'

City Hall will allow the building of medium-cost and medium-low cost apartments with one or two bedrooms on the periphery of the city centre to cater to the housing needs of the support industry.

'Central Kuala Lumpur is almost a dead city by 10pm or 11pm. People come here from the outskirts and go back after work. Now we want to bring the people back to the city.

'We are reversing the trend by allowing the construction of more condominiums and service apartments so that people will stay and work here,' the mayor said.

Datuk Mohmad Shaid said developers who had faced problems halfway through the construction of hotels were now converting the buildings to service apartments.

'The city's activities at night need not necessarily be as bustling as in the daytime,' he said.

'But in 10 or 15 years, the city will be like Tokyo or New York, which stay alive throughout the night.' -- New Sunday Times

[Greg]

Cool! more higrises! :cheers:

[ZaHiRnYa???]

Fully supported the idea :D

[Mahaputra]

what the city is dead by 10 or 11 at night?
that sucks.. I thought people in KL like to go out at night..
cause in Jakarta.. people usually start to go out at around 10pm at night..
ehehe including me
anyway.. that's a good plan for the city.. glad to hear..

[TYW]

good idea!! i didn't know KL is so "dead"

[baqthier]

what the city is dead by 10 or 11 at night?
that sucks.. I thought people in KL like to go out at night..
cause in Jakarta.. people usually start to go out at around 10pm at night..
ehehe including me
anyway.. that's a good plan for the city.. glad to hear..

KL people do go out at night till morning. Probably the mayor is not observant and never stayed back in his office till night. Downtown along Jalan P Ramlee and Jalan Tun Ismail roads and pedestrians which are downtown areas are very packed everynight till morning since that is the nightlife area of the CBD. Not to forget Bukit Bintang and Chow Kit. But then I think the mayor's idea of a lively city is way beyond our imagination, so probably the hustle and bustle nightlife of KL that we are having now is considered "dead" to him. :D
24hr Public Transportation sounds great too! :cool:

Greg> Yep! So happy to see that big bright green light for more skyscrapers! :D

[ZaHiRnYa???]

Datuk Mohmad Shaid said developers who had faced problems halfway through the construction of hotels were now converting the buildings to service apartments.


I wonder if Duta Grandd Hyatt will fall into this category as well :?

[baqthier]

Definitely! BTW, there are just very few halted hotels in KL . Ones of Duta, Vision City, Plaza Rakyat and Novotel. :)

[Xfactor]

I wonder if Duta Grandd Hyatt will fall into this category as well :?

As long as it maintains its "original" height, it doesn't matter really :cheers:

[Mahaputra]

KL people do go out at night till morning. Probably the mayor is not observant and never stayed back in his office till night. Downtown along Jalan P Ramlee and Jalan Tun Ismail roads and pedestrians which are downtown areas are very packed everynight till morning since that is the nightlife area of the CBD. Not to forget Bukit Bintang and Chow Kit. But then I think the mayor's idea of a lively city is way beyond our imagination, so probably the hustle and bustle nightlife of KL that we are having now is considered "dead" to him. :D
24hr Public Transportation sounds great too! :cool:

Greg> Yep! So happy to see that big bright green light for more skyscrapers! :D

wow.. the night life now is considered dead by him?? he must be some party animal then.. ehehe
the 24 hours public transport is really a good idea..
cause usually when u finish partying or watever ur doing.. and u want to go back at like 2am or 4am.. there were no public transport available.. only taxis.. and they charge an extremely expensive fare.. so yeah.. good idea..
hope it goes through.. :cheers:

[szehoong]

hahahaha :lol: .....that must be the funniest comment I've heard from our mayor! I dun think he's not observant but with his words he wanted to push us further into the realms of NYC or Tokyo! :D

Anyway when I was staying in Auckland I noticed that the city is dead by 7pm. Okay fine....that's New Zealand but when I am in Sydney and Melbourne.........the city is not as lively as KL at night. That goes the same for Vancouver and Orlando which is almost like Auckland at night :D The only city I've been to that are more 'lifelier' than KL is Bangkok! ;)

[Mahaputra]

yeah man.. I agree.. I live in Adelaide and I've been to sydney and melbourne.. and most of them are the same.. the shops are closed by 5pm... during weekends are still alright.. I mean.. the night life in the city is still alright.. but not as good as Asian cities.. weekdays is hell boring.. most of the shops are only open until like 10.. only a few are open later than that.. most of them are 24 hour convenience store... ehehe and u rarely see people on the streets..
I think Asian cities are more lively in terms of night life than Western cities in general..
the liveliest city that I've been to is Jakarta.. ehehe my hometown.. Bangkok is pretty good as well.. but I still prefer Jakarta.. ;p

[TYW]

hahahaha :lol: .....that must be the funniest comment I've heard from our mayor! I dun think he's not observant but with his words he wanted to push us further into the realms of NYC or Tokyo! :D

Anyway when I was staying in Auckland I noticed that the city is dead by 7pm. Okay fine....that's New Zealand but when I am in Sydney and Melbourne.........the city is not as lively as KL at night. That goes the same for Vancouver and Orlando which is almost like Auckland at night :D The only city I've been to that are more 'lifelier' than KL is Bangkok! ;)

i've heard that from many people.

Asians are NIGHT ANIMALS!!! he he.....

[Odonto]

That's why the Thai goverment has issued a law that make all clubs and bars to be closed at 2am in the morning! Maybe because it is too lively after dark in Bangkok :) It used to be 5am when I was young :cheers:

[Centrilium]

Look it's 5am in the morning and I'm still awake. :runaway:

[szehoong]

That's why the Thai goverment has issued a law that make all clubs and bars to be closed at 2am in the morning! Maybe because it is too lively after dark in Bangkok :) It used to be 5am when I was young :cheers:


yea....that law sucked big time.....I mean when I am in Bangkok last year.......I was trying to find a massage parlour at about 12am (wanted to wind down and relax a bit after a whole day of walking)........most are closed. :rant:

At least the KL ones are still open (I mean the non-hanky panky ones) although not all are.....but most would accept visitors streaming in even at 12am if an earlier appoinment are made ;)

[szehoong]

Look it's 5am in the morning and I'm still awake. :runaway:


You loses to me! :D .......now it is 6am already haha! :lol:

ANyway I am happy here as I could get a burger at 5am and if I am still hungry ......the 'bak kut teh' and dim sum stores are oeprational in an hour's time. These excludes the countless mamak stalls in every neighbourhood.........


Too bad they disallowed Tesco to stop 24hrs operations..........I shopped there once at 1am and I must say it is very very convenient for shift worker like me ;)

[Centrilium]

Haha Sze Hong you don't sleep wan don't you?
I kinda getting hungry now.
:runaway: *Go ransack the fridge to munch on something.

[Odonto]

yea....that law sucked big time.....I mean when I am in Bangkok last year.......I was trying to find a massage parlour at about 12am (wanted to wind down and relax a bit after a whole day of walking)........most are closed. :rant:


Going to massage parlour at midnight in Bangkok!,Only hanky panky ones do open that late, Im afraid :) I think in the major 3-5 stars hotels, they do have thai massage services. Foot massages shop also still open after midnight in major areas. Where did u stay in Bangkok?

About the closing time, actually Thaksin goverment try to close all clubs and bars at midnight but failed to do so, othewise all mama-san and Patpong/Nana bar girls/boys would apparently gone dead by now!!.

[szehoong]

Going to massage parlour at midnight in Bangkok!,Only hanky panky ones do open that late, Im afraid :) I think in the major 3-5 stars hotels, they do have thai massage services. Foot massages shop also still open after midnight in major areas. Where did u stay in Bangkok?

About the closing time, actually Thaksin goverment try to close all clubs and bars at midnight but failed to do so, othewise all mama-san and Patpong/Nana bar girls/boys would apparently gone dead by now!!.


I think that even the hanky panky ones closes early as well (the latest one by 2am) because when I was there, I checked out all massage parlours as I have no clue which is the proper one and which isn't hehehe :lol: yea.....Foot massages opens till late - even later than most massage parlours. :D

I stayed at The Elegance Suite at Silom.....near Robinsons Bangkrak. My hotel is in between Siphan Taksin and Surasak BTS stations ;) ( hope I got the spellings rite! :D )

I still think that Bangkok shouldn't be deprived of its nightlife. Afterall it is the pulse of the nation. I know the govt wanted to rid the streets of underages and vice activities but they could still do it without forcing all these outlets to close by a certain time. The Thai govt IMO shd get into the root of the problem :okay:

I really like BKK's nitelife....so many things to see and eat! :)

[szehoong]

Haha Sze Hong you don't sleep wan don't you?
I kinda getting hungry now.
:runaway: *Go ransack the fridge to munch on something.


hahaa........for the psat few months, I've been sleeping at 5/6 am because I start work at 3:30pm so I sleep till 2:30pm so I would have at least 8hrs of sleep :D

Too bad my fridge are always deprived of ready-cooked food! :rant: :D

Centrilium > You're a student?

[Centrilium]

Yes I'm still a student.

[szehoong]

Yes I'm still a student.


College / Secondary? :? :D

[Centrilium]

College / Secondary? :? :D

Of course college ler..You want me to die ah sleep so late next day go to school half asleep.

[szehoong]

Of course college ler..You want me to die ah sleep so late next day go to school half asleep.


haha....how I know....sec school students these days sleep at 1 or 2am.....when I was in sec school.....I always sleep at 10pm....latest is 3am....doing PMR project :D

[TYW]

the latest i've slept when i'm in morning session is 2am. next morning feel like zombie:D

even if i sleep early, next morning still feel sleepy. dunno why

[Centrilium]

the latest i've slept when i'm in morning session is 2am. next morning feel like zombie:D

even if i sleep early, next morning still feel sleepy. dunno why

Simple young kids needs to grow mar.I have never got enough of sleep for years.That's probably why my growth stunted since I was 17-18 years old.Really regretted my actions.

[TYW]

Simple young kids needs to grow mar.I have never got enough of sleep for years.That's probably why my growth stunted since I was 17-18 years old.Really regretted my actions.

i think i'm pretty stunted already :bash: gotta start sleeping i guess:D

[szehoong]

i think i'm pretty stunted already :bash: gotta start sleeping i guess:D


wah! How tall you want? :D

I tot you kinda tall already? :? :D

[TYW]

wah! How tall you want? :D

I tot you kinda tall already? :? :D

at least taller than my brother:D

the "guys" in my family are all quite tall. even my std. 6 cousin is taller than me. i dun wanna be the shortest :bash:

[szehoong]

at least taller than my brother:D

the "guys" in my family are all quite tall. even my std. 6 cousin is taller than me. i dun wanna be the shortest :bash:


wah.......shortest in the family nevermind........at least you are not the shortest amongst your friends! Be the smartest! :okay: :D

[TYW]

wah.......shortest in the family nevermind........at least you are not the shortest amongst your friends! Be the smartest! :okay: :D

but kinda embarrassing he he.... anyway, i don't think i get get tall anymore now. only possible to get smarter :D:D

[szehoong]

but kinda embarrassing he he.... anyway, i don't think i get get tall anymore now. only possible to get smarter :D:D


possible to get smarter :lol: ....you sure possible ar? It is much easier to get taller than smarter you know hahaha :D

[TYW]

possible to get smarter :lol: ....you sure possible ar? It is much easier to get taller than smarter you know hahaha :D

can read and study to get smarter mah. nothing i can do to do to get taller.... operation??:D

[szehoong]

can read and study to get smarter mah. nothing i can do to do to get taller.... operation??:D

get smarter not that easy wei........some people are just stooopid :lol: Read and study more dun make you smarter. They just make you more knowledgeable......but I know of people who studied a lot but after exam forget everything liao. But there are some who remembered the facts for life :D Some people study only till Form 3 but they are smart mah....hehehe :D

To get taller ah?.....hmmm.....you could only do that when you're in your teens........exercise more (like Basketball & swimming etc) :D ......but genetics plays a bigger role. ;)


nah....me just talking crap... :lol:

[ZaHiRnYa???]

I just like the way I am at the moment :D

[TYW]

get smarter not that easy wei........some people are just stooopid :lol: Read and study more dun make you smarter. They just make you more knowledgeable......but I know of people who studied a lot but after exam forget everything liao. But there are some who remembered the facts for life :D Some people study only till Form 3 but they are smart mah....hehehe :D

To get taller ah?.....hmmm.....you could only do that when you're in your teens........exercise more (like Basketball & swimming etc) :D ......but genetics plays a bigger role. ;)


nah....me just talking crap... :lol:

smart, knowledgeable what's the dofference ar??:lol: :bash:

i'll see if i get smarter or taller after one year lah he he......

[Blabbyboy]

yeah man.. I agree.. I live in Adelaide and I've been to sydney and melbourne.. and most of them are the same.. the shops are closed by 5pm... during weekends are still alright.. I mean.. the night life in the city is still alright.. but not as good as Asian cities.. weekdays is hell boring.. most of the shops are only open until like 10.. only a few are open later than that.. most of them are 24 hour convenience store... ehehe and u rarely see people on the streets..
I think Asian cities are more lively in terms of night life than Western cities in general..
the liveliest city that I've been to is Jakarta.. ehehe my hometown.. Bangkok is pretty good as well.. but I still prefer Jakarta.. ;p
Uh, I think little Adelaide is a poor comparison...should compare Adelaide to...Ipoh. Shops in Sydney and Melbourne are open full day all weekend. Don't know about Sydney, but most shops open to 9pm on Thursday and Friday nights in Melbourne. Supermarkets/hypermarkets are mostly open to midnight, with some opening 24 hours. You think this is bad? This is much better compared to Europe!

[Blabbyboy]

hahahaha :lol: .....that must be the funniest comment I've heard from our mayor! I dun think he's not observant but with his words he wanted to push us further into the realms of NYC or Tokyo! :D

Anyway when I was staying in Auckland I noticed that the city is dead by 7pm. Okay fine....that's New Zealand but when I am in Sydney and Melbourne.........the city is not as lively as KL at night. That goes the same for Vancouver and Orlando which is almost like Auckland at night :D The only city I've been to that are more 'lifelier' than KL is Bangkok! ;)
Auckland...should not compare it with KL...maybe should compare it to...actually, I can't think of any SEA city around the same population...maybe JB?

Sorry, I just need to say something about this...pls forgive me... :D Melbourne nightlife is quite unique...it is not focused on the city centre, but in "urban villages/activity centres" surrounding the city centre that throb all night on friday and saturday nights. of course it's quieter mid-week, but same anywhere else. there are at least 4-5 major activity centres with other secondary centres where you will find most of the nightlife. very different to american cities or sydney for that matter, where most of the activity is focused on the city centre or connected to it. also...melbourne is famous for having most of its nightlife "hidden" or "secret"...if you don't know where to look, you will not find the nightlife even though it is all around you and very active!!! even Sydney people can't understand it. that's why most visitors/tourists to melbourne cannot see what it has to offer unless they stay for longer or have good local knowledge. and finally...the colder weather means that most of the nightlife is indoors, not on the street. good infrastructure and compact city centre also means that there are no "traffic sewers" through the city centre like most cities of similar size.

[szehoong]

Auckland...should not compare it with KL...maybe should compare it to...actually, I can't think of any SEA city around the same population...maybe JB?




Well population is not the factor here as both are nearly the same size (official figures). If you include Klang Valley (you had to - as people travel from Subang to Bangsar and vice versa)....you'll have to factor in the greater Auckland and nearby cities like Hamilton cos I do know of people there travelling to Auckland on a weekend nite ;)

So population here isn't the focus but the lifestyle. You just can't compare any Australasia's cities with Asian cities - even as 'quiet' as KL as our mamak scene already beat em hands down. And on the 'real' nightlife.....well......if you've been to Jalan P Ramlee these couple of years back you'll know what I am talking about happenin in middle of the city! :D

But of course population does taken into consideration should it swell to the like of Shanghai, New York or Tokyo ;) But the culture and lifestyle of a particular city does play an important role as well as the level of affluent and standard of living in a particular city. That is why no one is harping on the nightlife of Dhaka which is a much bigger city than KL :D

[Blabbyboy]

Well population is not the factor here as both are nearly the same size (official figures). If you include Klang Valley (you had to - as people travel from Subang to Bangsar and vice versa)....you'll have to factor in the greater Auckland and nearby cities like Hamilton cos I do know of people there travelling to Auckland on a weekend nite ;)

So population here isn't the focus but the lifestyle. You just can't compare any Australasia's cities with Asian cities - even as 'quiet' as KL as our mamak scene already beat em hands down. And on the 'real' nightlife.....well......if you've been to Jalan P Ramlee these couple of years back you'll know what I am talking about happenin in middle of the city! :D

But of course population does taken into consideration should it swell to the like of Shanghai, New York or Tokyo ;) But the culture and lifestyle of a particular city does play an important role as well as the level of affluent and standard of living in a particular city. That is why no one is harping on the nightlife of Dhaka which is a much bigger city than KL :D

i think population matters. auckland's population is just on 1 million and i don't know about outlying towns, but it doesn't compare with KL/Klang Valley. Basically, the whole of New Zealand's population can fit into KL city.

and population DENSITY also matters...for cities that are so spread out like those in australia to sustain this amount of activity in certain focal points is amazing. let's admit it - australian cities are some of the most "spread out" in the world. that's why european cities with the RIGHT WEATHER are always throbbing, even the "little ones" - because of compact city centre + good transport infrastructure + high density. look at the mediterranean cities in summer.

and i think you missed my points - i said that the nightlife in melbourne is (a) not centralised (in fact, the amount of activity sustained at each activity centre will surprise most visitors if they knew where to look), (b) hidden, (c) does not consist of traffic on the streets.

yes, i know what jln p ramlee is like at night, but IMHO sydney city at night or melbourne's chapel st at night can *easily* compare. sorry, but YOU have no idea.

[szehoong]

i think population matters. auckland's population is just on 1 million and i don't know about outlying towns, but it doesn't compare with KL/Klang Valley. Basically, the whole of New Zealand's population can fit into KL city.

and population DENSITY also matters...for cities that are so spread out like those in australia to sustain this amount of activity in certain focal points is amazing. let's admit it - australian cities are some of the most "spread out" in the world. that's why european cities with the RIGHT WEATHER are always throbbing, even the "little ones" - because of compact city centre + good transport infrastructure + high density. look at the mediterranean cities in summer.

and i think you missed my points - i said that the nightlife in melbourne is (a) not centralised (in fact, the amount of activity sustained at each activity centre will surprise most visitors if they knew where to look), (b) hidden, (c) does not consist of traffic on the streets.

yes, i know what jln p ramlee is like at night, but IMHO sydney city at night or melbourne's chapel st at night can *easily* compare. sorry, but YOU have no idea.


Population only matters if it reaches certain degree. I know the population of KL as well as New Zealand so you can save your breath trying to explaining it to me. The official population figure for Auckland is 1.2 million and KL is 1.8 million. Okay...Klang Valley probably had like 5-6 million in population but I seriously do not have greater Auckland's figure which could reach 2.5 million?

What I am trying to say is that culturally and socially, both cities are the pulsating heart of the nation. So both are comparable as both are similar in the population bracket - just that one is in a higher bracket and one if at the bottom.

Notice that I did not compare KL and Beijing cos the population between the 2 is just too great.

Okay to make you happier (since you kept harping on the population numbers) - dare I say Penang Island (similar in population to Auckland's 1 million) had a better night life than Auckland? Even JB's is better - seriously! ;) But then again, Auckland isn't a boring place as many might perceived it to be. Unlike Malaysian cities where happening places tend to be concentrated on a few places far apart, Auckland's are mostly within its downtown area.

I am not too sure what are you refuting about as I did not even say anything about Melbourne in my last post but since you brought it up - Klang Valley's population density isn't too high as well. Yes....the Australian sprawl is greater thanks to larger houses but Klang Valley isnt far behind. Imagine a city all the way from Port Klang to Gombak and Selayang to Putrajaya....that's quite a big area if you already didn't notice for a max of 6 million population (not an official figure).

So as like in Melbourne, Klang Valley's nightlife isn't concentrated in one place. Why had I like to use Jalan P Ramlee as an example is because it is in the city centre. There are others like Bangsar, Sri Hartamas, Bandar Sunway, SS15 Subang, Taipan USJ, Damansara Uptown, Miharja Cheras, Bukit Bintang etc....etc....etc. But the interesting part is that KL's Golden Triangle is the most pulsating and happening of em all :okay:

I understand it is only fair that you explain Melbourne's 'unique nightlife' which are spread out but you last post is the 'end of story'. We're talking about nightlife in the city centre (downtown) here. So let us all not stray off too far here. ;)

I can't claim I understand complately the nightlife there during my few weeks stay in Melbourne but I do know a lot about Sydney as I stayed longer there. Furthermore I've got credible testimonials of Melbourne's nightlife from my many many friends whom had studied there before......not forgetting my cousins whom had been staying there their entire life. :D

And I have seen and been to Chapel Street (and its vicinity) on a weekend night and I personally don't think it is comparable to Jalan P Ramlee. I am not too sure when is the most recent you've seen that place but I wouldn't wanna argue with you on this but perhaps the many Malaysian forumers whom had lived in both KL and Melbourne could shed some light on this? :)

[sugizm]

perhaps the many Malaysian forumers whom had lived in both KL and Melbourne could shed some light on this? :)
oh u r calling me to write something here indirectly :D:D i've been studying here in melbourne for a year. and i've stayed in KL for three years before that plus i was born in penang so i think i could understand the situation perfectly haha :D:D

staright to the point, NONE of australian cities could compare with KL or Penang in terms of nightlife.

point 1. talk about pubs, bars and discos. melbourne actually has quite a number of them but they are all scattered around the city. (let just include melbourne CBD area and its metro area) there are not more than 10 shops(less than that u know it...) in ONE particular 'happening' spot. and in KL side, more than 20 shops in a Sri hartamas, more than 20 shops in Bangsar, more than 20 shops in Sunway, more than 10 shops in KL city center: among these 10 there are 3 to 5 of them which are really huge one. none of the drinking place in melbourne is bigger than any of these huge ones. if u never got to see the nightlife of KL u could just imagine these shops which are next to each other... imagine the people 'swimming' from one bar to another bar for the whole night.

penang has more than 20 shops as well around Garage area.

point 2. cleaniness. australian cities are very neat, government did a good job maintaining city's cleaniness. but it doesn't mean government of malaysia does not maintain her cities. it is just that the government allows the existence of hawker food. it is just that the government 'let' these 24hour mamaks to put their tables and chairs outside the shop. Cafes in melbourne do put their tables and chairs outside but only less than 3(or less) of them which open business 24 hours. well part of the reason would be the weather.. and u have NO IDEA how many mamaks are there in KL... because i have no idea as well.. countless..

point 3. people. me and my bunch of frens back in KL or Penang would usually 'surf' from one pub to another. for example, after drink in 3 pubs in Bangsar from 9pm to 12pm, we will decide to go Star Hill to dance from 1am to 4am. and may be we'll 'surf' two discos around that area.. after that we'll go to mamak from 5am to 7am waiting for chinese restaurant to open so that we can eat 'dim sum' .. we end up going back home sleep at 10am..

oh this is majority youngster's lifestyle of us malaysian.. of cos they don't do it when they grow older.. at least i'm not doing this on every weekend anymore because i can't drink that much anymore.. but have a look on the age of youngster that going to these places in KL is getting younger and younger u'll have a better picture of how nightlife in KL thats getting bigger and bigger..

[glenj]

Melbourne nightlife is quite unique...it is not focused on the city centre, but in "urban villages/activity centres" surrounding the city centre that throb all night on friday and saturday nights. of course it's quieter mid-week, but same anywhere else.

Oh yes how i love Club 80 of Melbourne... open 24 hours on weekends! :)

As for the KL mayor's 'vision' for KL, well, he has to reconcile this constant tussle between the policy of getting the youth to be good boys and girls and off the streets and in bed by 12 mn (ie closing nightspots early), and that of having his vision achieved. KL has seen about-turns in this policy.. there was a time when night-spots were to close at 1 am. Then it was re-extended because of economic reasons.. namely because businesses suffered, tourism suffered. We see that happening in BKK now.. the young and party-going find BKK less of an attraction than it used to be in the 90's (although it's still a very interesting and diverse city).

And cashing in on this move towards 'nocturnal conservatism' in BKK is S'pore, which has quietly been allowing its night-spots in certain areas to extend their hours upto 5-6am.. unheard of barely 1-2yrs ago. Not only that, it has quietly been allowing businesses of the 'alternative' kind to operate, thereby capturing some of the pink tourism traffic that used to flow to BKK.

[sugizm]

malaysia's nightlife is basically occupied by the youth.. if they are to off the streets and on the bed by 12.. then mamak can close shop..disco and pub can close shop.. government can turn off some of the street lamp to save energy.. maxis revenue cut half since most youth online midnight..

then wat 24hr city that never sleeps we are talking about? just the people working midnight shift in some skyscraper? malaysia uniqueness can inculde in our history text book already..

im my opinion..as a youth.. party and mamak-lepaking is allright. totally allright. but drink and drive is not okay, taking drugs while partying is not okay and race on road is also not okay. and all of these not-okay issues government had notice it and enforce it already. we youngster had also changed according to that, because we duwan to be caught drink and drive, or race on road. and if u notice ever since badawi become PM drugs are very hard to purchase, hence the price went up dramatically, most of us youth had quit taking this stuff since they are not cheap anymore.

[szehoong]

Oh yes how i love Club 80 of Melbourne... open 24 hours on weekends! :)

As for the KL mayor's 'vision' for KL, well, he has to reconcile this constant tussle between the policy of getting the youth to be good boys and girls and off the streets and in bed by 12 mn (ie closing nightspots early), and that of having his vision achieved. KL has seen about-turns in this policy.. there was a time when night-spots were to close at 1 am. Then it was re-extended because of economic reasons.. namely because businesses suffered, tourism suffered. We see that happening in BKK now.. the young and party-going find BKK less of an attraction than it used to be in the 90's (although it's still a very interesting and diverse city).

And cashing in on this move towards 'nocturnal conservatism' in BKK is S'pore, which has quietly been allowing its night-spots in certain areas to extend their hours upto 5-6am.. unheard of barely 1-2yrs ago. Not only that, it has quietly been allowing businesses of the 'alternative' kind to operate, thereby capturing some of the pink tourism traffic that used to flow to BKK.

yup......nightspots now are required to close at 3am at designated parts of the city while those near residential areas closes at 2am. I still think this is rather conservative considereing no one stays near areas like Sri Hartamas (the happening part) and Jalan P Ramlee. Bangsar is a different story all-together but residents there had adapted and they would've expect such noise :D

Bkk's 1am ruling is gonna hurt it badly sadly :( I wouldn't wanna see Bangkok goes dead because of this silly ruling. Using underage patronns as an excuse isn't fair IMO. If underage is such a problem...there's definitely other areas that should be tackled ;)

Moving on to attracting pink dollar.....well KL is getting 'hot' too. My PLU friends told me that the Miharja area is now 'the' place and the traditional PLU hang-outs at Bukit Bintang had better business. Although there is no official recognition to these places, the authorities had been 'closing one eye' to these alternative lifestyle establishments. I heard from a friend that a club called Velvet (behind Central Plaza) opens only at 3am and closes at 10am :D ....dunno if it is still like that. In a meantime established venues like Liquid is bigger than ever and nice-nice cafes that targets at PLUs are gaining popularity (there's even a cafe named 'PLU Cafe' opened near my house!). Of course in addition to that - there's also a PLU Guide for locals and foreigners..... :)

[szehoong]

malaysia's nightlife is basically occupied by the youth.. if they are to off the streets and on the bed by 12.. then mamak can close shop..disco and pub can close shop.. government can turn off some of the street lamp to save energy.. maxis revenue cut half since most youth online midnight..

then wat 24hr city that never sleeps we are talking about? just the people working midnight shift in some skyscraper? malaysia uniqueness can inculde in our history text book already..




yea.....hanging out at mamaks isn't a bad thing. I used to work till 12am when I am at Maxis and seriously.....without 24hrs mamaks or Ramly burgers which opens till 5am......I'll be a lot thinner now! :D

Not only youth but adults do go to these places......like my parents.....after their mahjong sessions....they love to go to mamaks or some Chinese stalls which opens till 2am. There is even a dimsum that I knew opens till 5am!!! :D

And not just the mamaks are 24hrs.....Chinese foodcourts which usually closes by midnight are beginning to reinvent itself. Min Tien at Bandar Sunway pioneered this idea (waaayyyyy back in 1997...thanks to students in that area)....now it had a 'balinese' themed foodcourt at Taman Megah - opened 4 years ago. Then there is Cheras' Payathin which saw the opening of its second outlet last year. Not forgetting Puchong's various foodcourts around Tesco and also Bandar Baru Sunway's (around American Pool area) ;)

Seriously.....if mamak doesn't exist........I think I would be chalking 20,000 post counts here already! :D

In conclusion....mamaks and these 'Chinese foodcourts' are truly uniquely Malaysian nightlife :okay: ....I think they should be a tourist magnet too - if tourist can stay up so late :D

[glenj]

Of course in addition to that - there's also a PLU Guide for locals and foreigners..... :)

Ah yes, so I heard! Must get my hands on one of them. Syabas M'sia! :)

[szehoong]

Ah yes, so I heard! Must get my hands on one of them. Syabas M'sia! :)

Actually the guide this time around is already the second version after one that is out last year. I saw the last year's edition and I must say it is quite comprehensive (of course no challenge to Bangkok's 'book-styled' ones :D ). My friends told me these are quite hotcakes and only 10,000 are in print so if you want I would ask my friends to keep a copy for ya. But I dun guarantee cos I dun go to PLU hangouts thus unable to get my hands on one....so had to rely on some good friends ;)

[szehoong]

oops! double posting :D

[glenj]

if you want I would ask my friends to keep a copy for ya. But I dun guarantee cos I dun go to PLU hangouts thus unable to get my hands on one....so had to rely on some good friends ;)

Oh yes please Sze, would appreciate that, thanks man! :)

[sugizm]

mm..wonder..wat does PLU stands for..?

[SEED]

australia punye nitelife mana boleh compare 2 malaysia lah~ people here pergi tidur 7 oclock and wake up at bout 4 inda mornin gone kerja~ bosan lah orang sini~ tak ada knowledge bout nitelife~ dia punye citi macam haunted after 6(tak da orang).... :lol: :lol: hanye tahu bbq hari weekend saje~ BOSAN!!!! :no: :lol:

[szehoong]

australia punye nitelife mana boleh compare 2 malaysia lah~ people here pergi tidur 7 oclock and wake up at bout 4 inda mornin gone kerja~ bosan lah orang sini~ tak ada knowledge bout nitelife~ dia punye citi macam haunted after 6(tak da orang).... :lol: :lol: hanye tahu bbq hari weekend saje~ BOSAN!!!! :no: :lol:


:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[szehoong]

mm..wonder..wat does PLU stands for..?


PLU stands for "People Like Us"; errr....a term commonly used to describe gays amongst themselves ;)

[Blabbyboy]

oh u r calling me to write something here indirectly :D:D i've been studying here in melbourne for a year. and i've stayed in KL for three years before that plus i was born in penang so i think i could understand the situation perfectly haha :D:D

staright to the point, NONE of australian cities could compare with KL or Penang in terms of nightlife.

point 1. talk about pubs, bars and discos. melbourne actually has quite a number of them but they are all scattered around the city. (let just include melbourne CBD area and its metro area) there are not more than 10 shops(less than that u know it...) in ONE particular 'happening' spot. and in KL side, more than 20 shops in a Sri hartamas, more than 20 shops in Bangsar, more than 20 shops in Sunway, more than 10 shops in KL city center: among these 10 there are 3 to 5 of them which are really huge one. none of the drinking place in melbourne is bigger than any of these huge ones. if u never got to see the nightlife of KL u could just imagine these shops which are next to each other... imagine the people 'swimming' from one bar to another bar for the whole night.

penang has more than 20 shops as well around Garage area.


all i can say is...you definitely don't know the nightspots well enough...i don't know about you, but i can fairly say that most international students i meet barely scratch the surface of this hidden city culture despite "living" here for years. have you seen the deck of cards produced on HIDDEN bars on in Melbourne city (one card for each HIDDEN bar in the CBD - i.e. city centre only, not including inner urban areas)? there are plenty of "clusters" of nightspots in melbourne. if you include count sri hartamas, bangsar, etc for KL then you must also include st kilda, chapel st/prahran (if gay), brunswick st, lygon st, victoria/bridge/swan sts, and in the future, docklands for melbourne. but if you want to look at CBD alone, check out just as an indication: http://www.thatsmelbourne.com.au/files/documents/bars.pdf (i count 21 top class bars...not just ordinary pubs...on this tourist map between spring/william/flinders/bourke streets alone!)
anyway, the point is: just because you don't see people on the streets doesn't mean no nightlife. anyway, this thread is not about melbourne so i will let it go.

and szehoong, (1) australian cities have the lowest population density of any city in asia-pacific - yes, KL is not as dense as other major cities in asia, but it is definitely denser than melbourne and sydney - no point arguing about it; (2) please stop going on about auckland - it's embarrassing comparing auckland with any city its size...it's just a sleepy (but nice :D) town...it's ok, i still love you szehoong...:kiss:

[Blabbyboy]

australia punye nitelife mana boleh compare 2 malaysia lah~ people here pergi tidur 7 oclock and wake up at bout 4 inda mornin gone kerja~ bosan lah orang sini~ tak ada knowledge bout nitelife~ dia punye citi macam haunted after 6(tak da orang).... :lol: :lol: hanye tahu bbq hari weekend saje~ BOSAN!!!! :no: :lol:
lu orang perth tentu boleh cakaplah :tongue: :lol:

[sugizm]

all i can say is...you definitely don't know the nightspots well enough...i don't know about you, but i can fairly say that most international students i meet barely scratch the surface of this hidden city culture despite "living" here for years. have you seen the deck of cards produced on HIDDEN bars on in Melbourne city (one card for each HIDDEN bar in the CBD - i.e. city centre only, not including inner urban areas)? there are plenty of "clusters" of nightspots in melbourne. if you include count sri hartamas, bangsar, etc for KL then you must also include st kilda, chapel st/prahran (if gay), brunswick st, lygon st, victoria/bridge/swan sts, and in the future, docklands for melbourne. but if you want to look at CBD alone, check out just as an indication: http://www.thatsmelbourne.com.au/files/documents/bars.pdf (i count 21 top class bars...not just ordinary pubs...on this tourist map between spring/william/flinders/bourke streets alone!)
anyway, the point is: just because you don't see people on the streets doesn't mean no nightlife. anyway, this thread is not about melbourne so i will let it go.
im sorry if i sound offensive in the previous post :p but i have to admit that becos i don't own a car here so it wont be so convienient for me to travel around to explore the city and suburbs. plus, im not so interested in partying anymore... and i DIDN'T notice any of those cards... *ashame*.. but its true that top class bars in melbourne are amazing! the environment is somehow consider a new experience to me :)

and talk about mamak after partying.. may be im just too use to it that makes me feel something is lacking off here..

*shakehand* let just back to the original topic :)

[szehoong]

im sorry if i sound offensive in the previous post :p but i have to admit that becos i don't own a car here so it wont be so convienient for me to travel around to explore the city and suburbs. plus, im not so interested in partying anymore... and i DIDN'T notice any of those cards... *ashame*.. but its true that top class bars in melbourne are amazing! the environment is somehow consider a new experience to me :)

and talk about mamak after partying.. may be im just too use to it that makes me feel something is lacking off here..

*shakehand* let just back to the original topic :)


Well.....don't feel sorry for what you've said as you are entitled to your opinion and that is what you've experienced in Melbourne. ;) Most importantly we want to hear your view. :okay:

....ohh.....and you're not out of topic ;)

One of the reason why mamaks opens so late is because of the after disco crowd......it a culture here and a very important one.....dat is why you felt a bit weird or lacking of :D

[sugizm]

Well.....don't feel sorry for what you've said as you are entitled to your opinion and that is what you've experienced in Melbourne. ;) Most importantly we want to hear your view. :okay:

....ohh.....and you're not out of topic ;)

One of the reason why mamaks opens so late is because of the after disco crowd......it a culture here and a very important one.....dat is why you felt a bit weird or lacking of :D
thanks sze :)

i felt i was lack of confidence arguing about the 'clubbing scene' here becos like i sed.. im not so into partying already.. one of the reason also, crowds are not as crazy as what i experience b4 back then in malaysia. to me, its a new experience over here, a lil' too 'formal' (the clubbing scenes.. make slumber people like me felt little nervous..)generally..

hm..now i wonder..clubbing scene is suppose to be huge to draw crowds like what we have in KL or Penang.. y r there 'hidden' bars... may be becos of government policy?

[szehoong]

and szehoong, (1) australian cities have the lowest population density of any city in asia-pacific - yes, KL is not as dense as other major cities in asia, but it is definitely denser than melbourne and sydney - no point arguing about it; (2) please stop going on about auckland - it's embarrassing comparing auckland with any city its size...it's just a sleepy (but nice :D) town...it's ok, i still love you szehoong...:kiss:


a) You are the one who brought Melbourne into the picture and you just had to compare it to KL.


b) Density isn't the main issue here. What a city's downtown had to offer is what matters most. If there is a watery hole - definitely it would attract party animals there. :D


c) Auckland is not a sleepy town. Saying Auckland sleepy shows how little you know about the place. I am merely comparing KL to Auckland simply is because:

i) I've lived in Auckland before
ii) Auckland is one of the major Australasia city
iii) I know KL's and Auckland nightlife
iv) Downtown KL is comparable with Auckland as there are happenin places are located downtown. Auckland's Queen Street vibrant nightlife on a Friday and Saturday night is something Australian cities lacking of. KL's definitely is much much better. :D
v) Population within proper city limits of both cities are nearly the same figure.



No point arguing about population density when the majority of Aussies owned a car. Furthermore if the place is interesting....it attracts people - as simple as that ;)

And I don't call it a vibrant nightlife by having these elitist nightspots where most 'international students i meet barely scratch the surface of this hidden city culture despite "living" here for years' can't find. And I dun see how St. Kilda is comparable to even Bangsar or Sri Hartamas in terms of vibrancy :lol:

KL's Bangsar, Jalan P Ramlee and Sri Hartamas are example of nightpots where everyone had access to and everyone knows - including students whom are here barely days. :D

Although I am not a native of Bangkok or Singapore but their nightspots are easily located and distinguishable and that's a true nightlife. I could have the most famous DJ and the best crowd at my house for party but what is the use if it is not accessible even to the average joe? ;)

[Blabbyboy]

Sugizm, as Szehoong said, we're all here to talk talk talk...no offence taken...ever! :D And, as Szehoong said, your posts are exactly on point. So, we're all happy here! :kiss: Szehoong, same goes for you - I don't mean any offence, and I respect you as a forumer.

It's just that...IMHO I find your comparisons incredulous...! For a start, I wouldn't consider Auckland a major city in Australasia...maybe in the Pacific Islands it is the "big city" but in Australasia, it's probably only the third or fourth major city. It's true though, you would know KL and Auckland nightlife better than me, so I can't argue with your comparisons between the two. My experience of Auckland nightlife during the America's Cup was that it was a little quiet (even places like the America's Cup village, which was in full swing at the time, and K Road on a weekend night), but for a city its size, I expect that.

I brought Melbourne in because you were comparing with Australian cities (and you did mention Melbourne in particular) and I said that you have to understand that in Melbourne's case, it is quite unique because, yes, there is a "hidden" nightlife element that is both intriguing and classy - you may call it "elitist" but it's the best thrill, the best selling point, it's what makes these places "cool". This is especially the case in the CBD (city centre). Melbourne makes no apologies for being the sort of place where the charm will grow on you if you know where to look or scratch below the surface, so to speak. It's true that if you're a casual visitor (even 6 months to a year!) without local knowledge, you won't know where to look or even how to appreciate. But I have to say that it's a bit unfair to describe my comment that "international students barely scratch the surface of this hidden city culture despite "living" here for years" as suggesting that there are "elitist nightspots" all over...that's simply a misinterpretation of my comments. The activity centres that I described are not inaccessible nor are they far from the city centre. They are all totally accessible by excellent transport and within 10-15 minutes from the city - more accessible to someone without a car than Bangsar or Sri Hartamas - and also quite well easily located & distinguishable. I'm not going to tell you how international students live here, because it's not fair on them, but the simple fact is, they simply don't go out to these activity centres much - I don't know why - but it's just a fact.

Finally, (and this I CAN compare), I know what Bangsar, P Ramlee & Sri Hartamas are like and how busy they can be, but I'm sure you haven't been to St Kilda, Chapel St, Brunswick St (or Sydney nightspots) on any Friday or weekend night (unless it's cold/raining) if you say any of them can't compare to KL nightlife. I've seen these places throbbing even at 3am, especially on warm nights!

And IMHO I still disagree with you that population density doesn't matter - clearly Xin Tian Di or Roppongi or Lan Kwai Fong or even Muhamad Sultan and Georgetown nightspots are going to be more crowded on the street because of population density and it's all cramped up (compared to the wide open spaces of australasian activity centres). So what I meant is that just because it doesn't look like a lot of people on the street, doesn't mean there's no nightlife. And yes, I agree there is a cultural difference in perception of what is "lacking". BUt - compared to Bangkok, of course none of these can compare (I think? I haven't been to Bangkok, but that's what I hear - but I'm going at end of year!) :D

Anyway, Szehoong, comparisons are inevitably going to end up like this. I respect your opinions, and I just want to say that I think M'sian nightlife is great - I love it and it's all good. I'm not putting it down at all!!! Contrary to what you might think, when I'm in a certain place, I prefer to just take it in and enjoy, without comparing too much - what's the point? It's just that I also don't like common misconceptions about my adopted home base. So I hope no offence taken. :D :kiss: :D

Back to the thread, I think that KL is already what you might call a "24 hour city" - not literally, but as much as any other city its size.

[sugizm]

cool blabbyboy :)

well i think people back in malaysia and here in australia are just different.. in term of way to enjoy nightlife. and u could put it as personal preference.. may be u prefer the environment they provide here and the friendly people here or other reasons. i..can't really agree of wat u sed about st kilda and chapel st.. dats my personal opinion about nightlife as well.. i prefer the nightlife i have back in malaysia where we have pubs and clubs, snooker pool and foosball center, mamaks, hawker stall, vcd seller, road racer, ah beng ah lian shouting here and there, all-at-one-spot scenary. the moment i take the left turn into sri hartamas n i'll say wow the night is still young..hahhah

about population density.. im not sure how much it affects the nightlife.. but it certainly got to link with the government policy, people's thinking, behaviour and such.. with a good night spot u have in the town, people will come from everywhere no matter how far. i've seen people came all the way from alor setar, sungai petani, ipoh to georgetown. i've seen one even rode his motorbike from perlis !.. semangat betul..

oh and about the accessibility of hidden bars.. obviously it must be accessible..with cars or with trams.. wat i meant 'hidden' was that it was underground (some) or hard to notice (as a student who hardly scratch the surface of this hidden city..)

[hypermount]

One i thing I like about KL is actuallly you can play indoor soccer at midnight!!

[SEED]

Blabbyboy>>> :D :lol: wats the different between perth and EST?? same!!! u look at the architecture for example~ anyway~ im not orang perth~ saya orang Penang~ :okay:

[sugizm]

Blabbyboy>>> :D :lol: wats the different between perth and EST?? same!!! u look at the architecture for example~ anyway~ im not orang perth~ saya orang Penang~ :okay:
nola...seriously perth more boring loh..i've been there not long ago.. cannot man..my type of person cannot stand the peacefulness of perth..

[SEED]

eh~ me too lah~ if not for ma mother turn the music loud everyday ah~ i goo siau liao loh~ not ma type eather~ but no choicelah~ parents here mah~ but still i dont understand why poeple in perth always think they hav the best citi in the world~ :hm: they siad it on tv... huanted lah dia punye citi.... takda orang nye after 7... :sleepy:

[sugizm]

hahaha.. eh so u not going back to penang?

[szehoong]

cool blabbyboy :)

well i think people back in malaysia and here in australia are just different.. in term of way to enjoy nightlife. and u could put it as personal preference.. may be u prefer the environment they provide here and the friendly people here or other reasons. i..can't really agree of wat u sed about st kilda and chapel st.. dats my personal opinion about nightlife as well.. i prefer the nightlife i have back in malaysia where we have pubs and clubs, snooker pool and foosball center, mamaks, hawker stall, vcd seller, road racer, ah beng ah lian shouting here and there, all-at-one-spot scenary. the moment i take the left turn into sri hartamas n i'll say wow the night is still young..hahhah

about population density.. im not sure how much it affects the nightlife.. but it certainly got to link with the government policy, people's thinking, behaviour and such.. with a good night spot u have in the town, people will come from everywhere no matter how far. i've seen people came all the way from alor setar, sungai petani, ipoh to georgetown. i've seen one even rode his motorbike from perlis !.. semangat betul..




Well said Sugizm! :okay: Some people think that night life is all about clubs and bars. :lol: I;ve got tons of friends whom just start giving out discos and bars names but they failed to realised that eateries and other entertainment outlets are considered as nightlife too ;)

And people do come from afar just to go to a nightspot. It is not weird to see people from as far as Kajang and Klang to go to Beach Club on a weekend night so density doesn't really played an important role (no doubt it does affect but very little in KL's case) but it is mosr of the attitude of people patronising these places. They like they come no matter the obstacles ;)

[szehoong]

It's just that...IMHO I find your comparisons incredulous...! For a start, I wouldn't consider Auckland a major city in Australasia...maybe in the Pacific Islands it is the "big city" but in Australasia, it's probably only the third or fourth major city.

Well I said ONE OF THE MAJOR CITIES and I believe that IF it ranked 3rd or 4th, it would have been 'one of the major cities'.




It's true though, you would know KL and Auckland nightlife better than me, so I can't argue with your comparisons between the two. My experience of Auckland nightlife during the America's Cup was that it was a little quiet (even places like the America's Cup village, which was in full swing at the time, and K Road on a weekend night), but for a city its size, I expect that.


K Road for the start isn't famous for its nightlife but its sleazy lifestyle (if you're looking for one). What they have mostly at K Road are sex shops, prostitude dens and strips hows :D

You'll have to venture a bit out of the America's Cup Village to experience the vibrancy of the night. I'll say that the vibrancy of night life at Queen Street of even at North Shore is better than Chapel Street ;)



I brought Melbourne in because you were comparing with Australian cities (and you did mention Melbourne in particular) and I said that you have to understand that in Melbourne's case, it is quite unique because, yes, there is a "hidden" nightlife element that is both intriguing and classy - you may call it "elitist" but it's the best thrill, the best selling point, it's what makes these places "cool". This is especially the case in the CBD (city centre). Melbourne makes no apologies for being the sort of place where the charm will grow on you if you know where to look or scratch below the surface, so to speak. It's true that if you're a casual visitor (even 6 months to a year!) without local knowledge, you won't know where to look or even how to appreciate. But I have to say that it's a bit unfair to describe my comment that "international students barely scratch the surface of this hidden city culture despite "living" here for years" as suggesting that there are "elitist nightspots" all over...that's simply a misinterpretation of my comments. The activity centres that I described are not inaccessible nor are they far from the city centre. They are all totally accessible by excellent transport and within 10-15 minutes from the city - more accessible to someone without a car than Bangsar or Sri Hartamas - and also quite well easily located & distinguishable. I'm not going to tell you how international students live here, because it's not fair on them, but the simple fact is, they simply don't go out to these activity centres much - I don't know why - but it's just a fact.

So nightspots in Melbourne which is kinda hard-to-find are not elitist? :D I dun think I misinteprete your comment at all and I am harping on how difficult for one to reach it but isn't the ability to find such spots are considered as accessible? In one post you said that some of these places are hard to find and then you said they are distinguishable......I find this contradicting. :sly: Oh and please lah.....it is just the lifestyle of people that they refused to take public transportation to Bangsar or Sri Hartamas only not that it is totally out i nthe middle of somewhere where public transportation is so out of reach. There is also a Putraline station named Bangsar (if you don't already know) and there are tons of taxis there! :D




Finally, (and this I CAN compare), I know what Bangsar, P Ramlee & Sri Hartamas are like and how busy they can be, but I'm sure you haven't been to St Kilda, Chapel St, Brunswick St (or Sydney nightspots) on any Friday or weekend night (unless it's cold/raining) if you say any of them can't compare to KL nightlife. I've seen these places throbbing even at 3am, especially on warm nights!

Well you assumed too much. I was in Sydney and Melbourne on both summer and winter and I've been to St. Kilda, Chapel Street and many Sydney nightspots such as King's Cross etc.......And I often hang out till about 4-5am everynight not just for the nightlife there but also to take pictures around the city. In KL it is very common for nightspots being vibrant even at 4am and by 5/6am it is mamak time.....7am would be Bak Kut Teh and Dim Sum time :D So it is not only pubs....bars and discos which is throbbing at night but eateries as well ;)




And IMHO I still disagree with you that population density doesn't matter - clearly Xin Tian Di or Roppongi or Lan Kwai Fong or even Muhamad Sultan and Georgetown nightspots are going to be more crowded on the street because of population density and it's all cramped up (compared to the wide open spaces of australasian activity centres). So what I meant is that just because it doesn't look like a lot of people on the street, doesn't mean there's no nightlife. And yes, I agree there is a cultural difference in perception of what is "lacking". BUt - compared to Bangkok, of course none of these can compare (I think? I haven't been to Bangkok, but that's what I hear - but I'm going at end of year!) :D

Well I didn't totally dismissed population density but I placed more emphasis on the culture and the willingness to travel (or even car ownership) than desity alone. Lan Kwai Fong isn't a very good example because it caters mostly to foreigners (and I am not saying there aren't locals ya) and more locals could be seen at Tsim Sha Tsui area nightspots. It is almost like Bangsar - a mecca for foreigners but of course given the ratio, locals still outnumbered foreigners. Go to Lan Kwai Fong on a normal weeknight and you'll see mostly 'gwai los' there :D Then again if a HKer lived in Shatin, I bet he or she would find it no trouble at all to go to Lan Kwai Fong as it is accessible and attractive enuf to do so. Again it is the willingness to travel and this culture thingy ;)

And I knew tons of people whom travelled all the way from Butterworth to George Town to party so again the density argument isn't valid - its the culture once again.

Roppongi and Xin Tian Di is similar to lets say KL's Golden Tirangle (Bukit Bintang and Jalan P Ramlee under one roof). People from afar loved to converged to these happening places. I would say that Shanghai and Tokyo is kinda sprawling if you notice. Okay population in these cities are many times higher than KL or even Melbourne but what I am trying to say is that for a place to be vibrant, not only those nearby would patronised these places but people from far far away suburbs as well ;) If a place is happening enuf I dun see why one wouldn't travel all the way from Osaka to Tokyo just like how people here loved to spontaneously go to Port Dickson to fell the sea breeze or Genting Highlands just for a cuppa :D

KL is a smallish city and have a small population too. It is also quite sprawling and its density (even if it is higher than Melbourne or Sydney - thanks to the many condos they are building) isn't the fact that people would stay away from nightspots in the city centre. There are a dozen of nightspots around PJ and Subang too but people of Shah Alam still prefer to go downtown. It is the attractiveness of the nightspots and again - the willingness to travel ( a culture thing....been repeating this a lot already :D )





Anyway, Szehoong, comparisons are inevitably going to end up like this. I respect your opinions, and I just want to say that I think M'sian nightlife is great - I love it and it's all good. I'm not putting it down at all!!! Contrary to what you might think, when I'm in a certain place, I prefer to just take it in and enjoy, without comparing too much - what's the point? It's just that I also don't like common misconceptions about my adopted home base. So I hope no offence taken. :D :kiss: :D

Back to the thread, I think that KL is already what you might call a "24 hour city" - not literally, but as much as any other city its size.

You are right and I too had never compared any cities with KL in terms of vibrancy except for in this thread. The fact that the misconception of Melbourne's lifestyle is the result of the lacking of vibrancy compared to the Malaysian ones and that is what most people see. It is good that you explain and pointed out how Melbourne's nightlife is all about and stuffs. We all learn new things everyday :okay:

Again, I am not saying it is not at all not throbbing all night but that is lacks the vibrancy one see and feel at KL's nightspots.....you know...the people on the street....the traffic jams and the tons 24-hours eateries nearby ;)

You don't get that in Melbourne or even in some much larger-than-KL cities. So KL is really have a great nightlife for its size.......that's what many visitors had told me. And City Hall's effort plus the tons of downtown residential in development would make KL even better! :D

[Trances]

sounds like great idea

[AFL]

I don't really know about this but people always head to the Gold Coast for nightlife espacially during schoolies, new year's eve and etc.

[baqthier]

Now we have a new mayor...he did mention about 24hrs about KL too

[Andrew Goh]

I have a stupid question here... Do you pronouce Melbourne "Mel-Burn" or "Mel-Born"???

[szehoong]

I have a stupid question here... Do you pronouce Melbourne "Mel-Burn" or "Mel-Born"???


Dun worry it is not a stupid question as if you pronounce it in proper English it would be Mel-Born. :D

Its Mel-Burn! ;)


That goes the with Brisbane.....a lot of people pronounce it as Bris-Bane while it should be Bris-Bern ;)

[ZaHiRnYa???]

Ha..ha...can't stop laughing thinking about how to pronounce the name of the city. Kuala Lumpur is the same what :lol:

We have :

- KL
- Kay El
- Key L
- Kuala Lumpoor

[baqthier]

Wah so many versions :D
My previous lecturer who is British pronounced Melbourne.."Melbooooon"

[Andrew Goh]

Ha..ha...can't stop laughing thinking about how to pronounce the name of the city. Kuala Lumpur is the same what :lol:

We have :

- KL
- Kay El
- Key L
- Kuala Lumpoor

LOLOL :D:D
This is true! Someone even pronouced it Kewala "Lampah" here one time! :D:D:D