Hi guys , I'm Vietnamese who very interest Khmer culture as Thai,Laos, Cambodia. I'm very interest and concern to Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam' economics because we are Indochina countries and Triple Friendship for a long time. Vietnamese and Vietnam's gov't always see Laotians and Cambodians as our sibling and friends . I open this topic just want to know
1. How's you guys think about my country , Laos and Cambodia friendship? What do you think about my country and Vnmese people?
2. How are Laos and Cambodia's industries and economics today? Do we have a lots of trade between 3 countries?
3. What do you thinks we should do to show to others Asian's countries and the world that we are very unique and have special cultures is not inferior than any countries?
4. Let show everybody about the special culture and news's developt in your country !

Have fun and enjoys!

Hi guys , I'm Vietnamese who very interest Khmer culture as Thai,Laos, Cambodia. I'm very interest and concern to Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam' economics because we are Indochina countries and Triple Friendship for a long time. Vietnamese and Vietnam's gov't always see Laotians and Cambodians as our sibling and friends . I open this topic just want to know
1. How's you guys think about my country , Laos and Cambodia friendship? What do you think about my country and Vnmese people?
2. How are Laos and Cambodia's industries and economics today? Do we have a lots of trade between 3 countries?
3. What do you thinks we should do to show to others Asian's countries and the world that we are very unique and have special cultures is not inferior than any countries?
4. Let show everybody about the special culture and news's developt in your country !

Have fun and enjoys!

For Thai viewpoint - cannot fully trust Vietnam since it can use Laos and Cambodia as the sparehead for the Invasion of Thailand ...

I can only comment on Vietnam and Cambodia, because I never been to Laos.

The differences between Vietnam and Cambodia is that everytime I travel to Vietnam, I can witness the changes, much ahead of what I expected. However, the pace of developments in Cambodia is a bit slow, not as fast as Vietnam.

Vietnam used to be poorer than Cambodia in the past, but it is catching up very fast. Its already ahead of Cambodia economic wise. The country is making a tremendous progress to speed up the growth of the economy, and attract many foreigners to invest and travel in the past 10 years.

Btw, Laos is doing a good job to host the 25th SEAgames last year.

For Thai viewpoint - cannot fully trust Vietnam since it can use Laos and Cambodia as the sparehead for the Invasion of Thailand ...

Stupid and hatred view...who cares abt Thailand! :bash:
In history, there were only times when the Siam (by order of Chinese dynasties) disturbed Vietnam and invaded Cambodia and Laos.

And from the view point of a Vietnamese: The Thai cannot be trusted because they are exploited by the Chinese to invade other countries in SEA.:ohno:
(this is only a response to the above comment. I don't wanna make any offense here)

I can only comment on Vietnam and Cambodia, because I never been to Laos.

The differences between Vietnam and Cambodia is that everytime I travel to Vietnam, I can witness the changes, much ahead of what I expected. However, the pace of developments in Cambodia is a bit slow, not as fast as Vietnam.

Vietnam used to be poorer than Cambodia in the past, but it is catching up very fast. Its already ahead of Cambodia economic wise. The country is making a tremendous progress to speed up the growth of the economy, and attract many foreigners to invest and travel in the past 10 years.

Btw, Laos is doing a good job to host the 25th SEAgames last year.

OMG...can you tell me when was the time that Vietnam was poorer?:nuts:
Traditionally in Asia, the more you go to the North, the richer you see.:)
Anyway, both countries are among the poorest countries on the Earth. Even if Cambodia was richer, it wouldn't be something that you can be proud of.

And you don't know abt the development rate in Cambodia nowadays. It's among highest growth rates, perhaps only behind China in Asia.

OMG...can you tell me when was the time that Vietnam was poorer?:nuts:
Traditionally in Asia, the more you go to the North, the richer you see.:)
Anyway, both countries are among the poorest countries on the Earth. Even if Cambodia was richer, it wouldn't be something that you can be proud of.

And you don't know abt the development rate in Cambodia nowadays. It's among highest growth rates, perhaps only behind China in Asia.[/QUOTE]

I think the guy is refering to Vietnam before its expansion south into Champa and Cochinchina. Anyway its nothing to be proud of but more like ashamed off.

Wisarut is not a good representative of Thai people.

He should put it as "For Wisarut's viewpoint", not "For Thai viewpoint"

Wisarut is not a good representative of Thai people.

He should put it as "For Wisarut's viewpoint", not "For Thai viewpoint"

Agreed

This song was composed by a famous singer in Thailand about the friendship among the people of these four countries. It is one of my favorite song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReQvea5hqs4

For Thai viewpoint - cannot fully trust Vietnam since it can use Laos and Cambodia as the sparehead for the Invasion of Thailand ...

Unfortunately, i need to tell you that Vietnam never care abt Thailand ????? what r u talking abt? We are Triple Friendship and my country never have some ideas like use my country friends to take over Thai o.0

like heavyrain said above ,; in history , Thailand always is the neutral country, then that's reason Thai have a long peace time to improve their industry. Can you tell me that Thailand (when the Siam) disturbed Vietnam and invaded Cambodia and Laos , then with US as a ally and want to invade other countries in SEA.

But , past is the past, Thailand, laos, cambodia and anyelse now is all good friends, we need to trust each other to bring SEA catch up to the world's economics , right??? We love peace and hope no country want to make the war.....

and i can tell for Vietnamese people , we love 3 other's culture and people as our best friends . VNmese visit Thai, Cam and Laos a lots, we love your food, your cultural and i can say i'm so surprised and admired about your Gold Pagoda .... it's so amazinggggg

OMG...can you tell me when was the time that Vietnam was poorer?:nuts:
Traditionally in Asia, the more you go to the North, the richer you see.:)
Anyway, both countries are among the poorest countries on the Earth. Even if Cambodia was richer, it wouldn't be something that you can be proud of.

And you don't know abt the development rate in Cambodia nowadays. It's among highest growth rates, perhaps only behind China in Asia.

OMG...can you tell me when was the time that Vietnam was poorer?:nuts:
Traditionally in Asia, the more you go to the North, the richer you see.:)
Anyway, both countries are among the poorest countries on the Earth. Even if Cambodia was richer, it wouldn't be something that you can be proud of.

And you don't know abt the development rate in Cambodia nowadays. It's among highest growth rates, perhaps only behind China in Asia.

I think the guy is refering to Vietnam before its expansion south into Champa and Cochinchina. Anyway its nothing to be proud of but more like ashamed off.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-per-capita&date=1995

Look at this

1994
Cambodia: $251.96 per capita
Vietnam: $227.21 per capita

1995
Cambodia: $302.87 per capita
Vietnam: $284.13 per capita

Starting from 1996
1996
Vietnam: $331.86 per capita
Cambodia: $300.31 per capita

The GDP growth rate in Cambodia is higher than Vietnam, mainly because of the property boom. Without the property boom I don't think it can achieve above 6% of growth every year.

For Thai viewpoint - cannot fully trust Vietnam since it can use Laos and Cambodia as the sparehead for the Invasion of Thailand ...

K. Wisarut, even if i'm Thai but i think what u had just mentioned is only based on ur own opinion, don't say "from the Thai view point"!! cauz it's not the fact!! and u r ruining our reputation, even if Cambodian and Thai relations aren't quite good these days but it doesn't mean we should start something political here, i believe most of the Thais and Cambodian still treat each others as brothers! only few stupid people on youtube who would do things that hurt our relationship!!

For Thai, we see Vietnam as our economic rival, cauz in the recent years, VN's economy had been growing really fast, :nuts:

Stupid and hatred view...who cares abt Thailand! :bash:
In history, there were only times when the Siam (by order of Chinese dynasties) disturbed Vietnam and invaded Cambodia and Laos.

And from the view point of a Vietnamese: The Thai cannot be trusted because they are exploited by the Chinese to invade other countries in SEA.:ohno:
(this is only a response to the above comment. I don't wanna make any offense here)



OMG...can you tell me when was the time that Vietnam was poorer?:nuts:
Traditionally in Asia, the more you go to the North, the richer you see.:)
Anyway, both countries are among the poorest countries on the Earth. Even if Cambodia was richer, it wouldn't be something that you can be proud of.

And you don't know abt the development rate in Cambodia nowadays. It's among highest growth rates, perhaps only behind China in Asia.

If you read your post again, you would see that you used hatred to counter hatred. It is not what we south east Asians want anymore.

Don't you know in history that Vietnam and Thailand were both guilty of invading their poor neigbours Cambodia and Loas? The only difference between them is Vietnam is still a formally Communist country, and Thailand is a monarchy with army behind country.

If you read your post again, you would see that you used hatred to counter hatred. It is not what we south east Asians want anymore.

Don't you know in history that Vietnam and Thailand were both guilty of invading their poor neigbours Cambodia and Loas? The only difference between them is Vietnam is still a formally Communist country, and Thailand is a monarchy with army behind country.


agree !
can we hope triple friendship will have one more is Thailand ???? that will be great.

Hi guys , I'm Vietnamese who very interest Khmer culture as Thai,Laos, Cambodia. I'm very interest and concern to Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam' economics because we are Indochina countries and Triple Friendship for a long time. Vietnamese and Vietnam's gov't always see Laotians and Cambodians as our sibling and friends . I open this topic just want to know
1. How's you guys think about my country , Laos and Cambodia friendship? What do you think about my country and Vnmese people?
2. How are Laos and Cambodia's industries and economics today? Do we have a lots of trade between 3 countries?
3. What do you thinks we should do to show to others Asian's countries and the world that we are very unique and have special cultures is not inferior than any countries?
4. Let show everybody about the special culture and news's developt in your country !

Have fun and enjoys!

The friendships between the three people should be something that we all should cherished. In fact, the friendships among all south east asians is something that we all should cherished. But, the policy and politics involved are different. We should never fully trust communist and one party rule policy. Vietnam, like every country, always put its policy first before friendship. I am not so sure if it still has policy of expansion. I think only Cambodia and Laos have the same culture and tradition, unless you go to Mekong Delta region in south Vietnam then you can see that some people living there share the same culture and tradition.

For trades, I think we should do more of that. But, not a one way trades. It has to be fair for all the countries involved. For politics, I still think that Vietnamese leaders still have influences on leaders in Cambodia and Laos even though you don't see it on the surface.

What do we do to show the world? Become more like others in term of policy, democracy, and freedom of speech and other freedoms if you can come up with, but it has to be under the laws of the land. Economic growth is not the only one that we have to show them.

In short, as long as Vietnam policy does not change toward Cambodia and Laos, the friendship is a just like colonization in the past, which what even Vietnamese people did not like it. And I hope this is not the case, but I doubt that it is not. Remember the French?

For Thai viewpoint - cannot fully trust Vietnam since it can use Laos and Cambodia as the sparehead for the Invasion of Thailand ...
Do you honestly think Vietnam would invade Thailand in the near future?

Three main reasons this would NOT happen in the near future:
No country in the world, besides the U.S., could currently invade another country without a just cause. If Vietnam dares to invade Thailand, and assuming it's not stopped by the U.S., it would then be isolated from the international community via sanctions and embargoes.
Regional powers such as China, Malaysia and Indonesia wouldn't allow this to happen as wars can destabilize a region. It's not in the best interests of the neighbors of Vietnam and Thailand for them to go to war.
What could Vietnam gain from invading Thailand? Are the resources truly worth dealing with decades of continuous resistance such as those met by the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Traditionally in Asia, the more you go to the North, the richer you see.:)
That's not true. If anything, the opposite is generally true.
Mongolia is all the way in the north, it's not exactly a rich nation. SOUTH Korea is richer than NORTH Korea.
SOUTH Vietnam was richer than NORTH Vietnam.
Whether a country is rich or not has nothing to do with whether it's in the north or the south, but due to numerous other factors.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-per-capita&date=1995

Look at this

1994
Cambodia: $251.96 per capita
Vietnam: $227.21 per capita

1995
Cambodia: $302.87 per capita
Vietnam: $284.13 per capita

Starting from 1996
1996
Vietnam: $331.86 per capita
Cambodia: $300.31 per capita

The GDP growth rate in Cambodia is higher than Vietnam, mainly because of the property boom. Without the property boom I don't think it can achieve above 6% of growth every year.

This is because at that time the Soviet union and the SNG just collapsed. You know in the past, Vietnam only did trading with the communist countries. When these countries collapsed, the economy of Vietnam shrank too. FYI, GDP of Vietnam went down to $ 6.47 B in 1990 (@the time the Soviet collapsed) from $ 36.7 B in 1987.
(We were only able to recover our GDP back to our level of 1987 in 2003 when our GDP surpassed $ 37 B)

At that time, the US put an embargo on Vietnam too. Therefore, Vietnam's economy has been able to develop since 1995 when we re-established diplomatic relationship with the US. I'm happy that this relationship continues developing positively. :)


For Thai, we see Vietnam as our economic rival, cauz in the recent years, VN's economy had been growing really fast, :nuts:

I think you should reserve this sentence for the next 20 years. Currently, I don't think Vietnam can be a rival of Thailand in economy. The Thai economy is still so big now. You guys should wait for us! :nuts:


If you read your post again, you would see that you used hatred to counter hatred. It is not what we south east Asians want anymore.

I'm sorry for that. I couldn't constraint myself.


Don't you know in history that Vietnam and Thailand were both guilty of invading their poor neigbours Cambodia and Loas? The only difference between them is Vietnam is still a formally Communist country, and Thailand is a monarchy with army behind country.
In the past, things happened when the world was not civilized. But now, we have the United Nations, we are civilized enough to love peace now. :)

Do you honestly think Vietnam would invade Thailand in the near future?

That's true. Only some super powers in the world can do some invasion nowadays.


That's not true. If anything, the opposite is generally true.
Mongolia is all the way in the north, it's not exactly a rich nation. SOUTH Korea is richer than NORTH Korea.
SOUTH Vietnam was richer than NORTH Vietnam.
Whether a country is rich or not has nothing to do with whether it's in the north or the south, but due to numerous other factors.
I don't think so. If you take a look broader around the world, you will find out that the colder the weather is, the richer the countries are. :)
South vs. North VN or South vs. North Korea are some special and very rare cases.

For Thai viewpoint - cannot fully trust Vietnam since it can use Laos and Cambodia as the sparehead for the Invasion of Thailand ...

Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos are siblings! We intermix with each other for thousands of years! The real Siamese people are Mon-Khmer and the Tai/lao came after and intermix with the Mon-Khmer! These groups of people make up what is now Thailand and that's why Thai is just a nationality! In the end we are siblings! :cheers::cheers:

This is because at that time the Soviet union and the SNG just collapsed. You know in the past, Vietnam only did trading with the communist countries. When these countries collapsed, the economy of Vietnam shrank too. FYI, GDP of Vietnam went down to $ 6.47 B in 1990 (@the time the Soviet collapsed) from $ 36.7 B in 1987.
(We were only able to recover our GDP back to our level of 1987 in 2003 when our GDP surpassed $ 37 B)

At that time, the US put an embargo on Vietnam too. Therefore, Vietnam's economy has been able to develop since 1995 when we re-established diplomatic relationship with the US. I'm happy that this relationship continues developing positively. :)


Ever since the French and the American landed on Vietnam , South Vietnam was one of the richest place in Asia .
Saigon and Manila topped the Asian richest cities in 1960s.

Only during 1990s , when Soviet Union collapsed , Vietnam's trade partners suddenly disappeared which caused a serious economic depression in Vietnam . But all the infrastructure and facilities were remained unchanged . That's the reason why Vietnam recovered faster than Cambodia .

Stupid and hatred view...who cares abt Thailand! :bash:
In history, there were only times when the Siam (by order of Chinese dynasties) disturbed Vietnam and invaded Cambodia and Laos.

And from the view point of a Vietnamese: The Thai cannot be trusted because they are exploited by the Chinese to invade other countries in SEA.:ohno:
(this is only a response to the above comment. I don't wanna make any offense here).

I'm, not suipposed to write anything to please anyone.
I just write the thing I really feel which I cannot pretend to use diplomatic gesture unless it is really a good thing which deserve the praises. Is it clear enough?!

Wisarut is not a good representative of Thai people.

He should put it as "For Wisarut's viewpoint", not "For Thai viewpoint"

Well, I jsut warite the thign I really think about - That's it!

This thread is a problematic.

I think Laos , Vietnam and Cambodia can be friends but Thailand not

Well, I jsut warite the thign I really think about - That's it!


Now you accept it.
It's what YOU think, not THAI PEOPLE think.
so don't speak as if you're a Thai representative

agree, this thread is problematic, above post included

I believe Mod's need to do their work soon.

Unfortunately, i need to tell you that Vietnam never care abt Thailand ????? what r u talking abt? We are Triple Friendship and my country never have some ideas like use my country friends to take over Thai o.0

like heavyrain said above ,; in history , Thailand always is the neutral country, then that's reason Thai have a long peace time to improve their industry. Can you tell me that Thailand (when the Siam) disturbed Vietnam and invaded Cambodia and Laos , then with US as a ally and want to invade other countries in SEA.

But , past is the past, Thailand, laos, cambodia and anyelse now is all good friends, we need to trust each other to bring SEA catch up to the world's economics , right??? We love peace and hope no country want to make the war.....

I still have the memory of the old fear during 1980's when Vietnam troops were in Cambodia alogn with the deluge of refugees at that time ... Cannto erase that Damning paranoid!

I think Laos , Vietnam and Cambodia can be friends but Thailand not

Here is the case of Point that reinforce the old fear ...

I think Laos , Vietnam and Cambodia can be friends but Thailand not

the same old hatred :ohno: ignorant ppl like u r just making things worse...

I always thought that Thailand, Laos and Cambodia were united as they are so close Cutural
Vietnam is far more

THIS THREAD BELONGS ON ASIA'S FINEST!

i thinks some Cambodian still think when Vietnam took troops to Cambodia since 1979-1980 just like invade them ??????? THAT'S TOTALLY SO WRONG ..... we actually came there to protect them against Red Khmer .... if we weren't came there, i thinks Cambodia have no people now .... :)

THIS THREAD BELONGS ON ASIA'S FINEST!

I agree with you. There have been much talks about this topic there:lol:

mình vừa qua 2pic của các bạn Cam nhưng các bạn nói ko hay về HN .... thế là ko được chút nào r ....

i thinks some Cambodian still think when Vietnam took troops to Cambodia since 1979-1980 just like invade them ??????? THAT'S TOTALLY SO WRONG ..... we actually came there to protect them against Red Khmer .... if we weren't came there, i thinks Cambodia have no people now .... :)

Not only some Cambodians think so, but more than half of the world thinks so. Only the communist blocks would think otherwise. "THAT'S TOTALLY SO WRONG" from the communists point of views, but it is right from the Western point of views. It just like the America invaded the Iraq. Sure, the Americans saved lives too. But, it is still an invasion because they brought troops into an independent country. So, it is called an invasion, regardless right or wrong.

There is no question about the fact that the Communist Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in 1979 saved many Cambodians. But, in the same time the Vietnam Communist Party created the Indochina Communist Party in which the Cambodia Communist Party, whose leaders include those from the Red Khmers, is one of them. The Red Viets helped the Red Khmers to get full control of Cambodia when they fought the Americans and their cronies in Phnom Penh and Saigon in 1975. Without the helps, maybe many more Cambodians would have been still alive today and Cambodians would not have to go through what they did. In fact, the Red Viets in parts helped the Red Khmers to become ones of the worst monsters in the world as we know it today.

But, the monsters turned their back on the creators because they wanted the creators out off their native land. This and with the helps of the Red Chinese triggered the Red Viets into conflicts with Red Khmers. At the end the Red Viets, with the helps of the Red Soviets, had no choice but to invade and occupied Cambodia until they ran out of money in the early 90s. Again, of course, they had saved lives because many of these lives were normal people whose knew nothing about the real politics.


By the way, it is not true to say "if we weren't came there, i thinks Cambodia have no people now". Remember not all the Red Khmers were bad. Plus, good or bad they are all Khmers and they need to have a country - the land so that they can live on, and it is called Cambodia. So, Cambodia will always have people live there no matter what. More or less in numbers is another question.

Not only some Cambodians think so, but more than half of the world thinks so. Only the communist blocks would think otherwise. "THAT'S TOTALLY SO WRONG" from the communists point of views, but it is right from the Western point of views. It just like the America invaded the Iraq. Sure, the Americans saved lives too. But, it is still an invasion because they brought troops into an independent country. So, it is called an invasion, regardless right or wrong.

There is no question about the fact that the Communist Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in 1979 saved many Cambodians. But, in the same time the Vietnam Communist Party created the Indochina Communist Party in which the Cambodia Communist Party, whose leaders include those from the Red Khmers, is one of them. The Red Viets helped the Red Khmers to get full control of Cambodia when they fought the Americans and their cronies in Phnom Penh and Saigon in 1975. Without the helps, maybe many more Cambodians would have been still alive today and Cambodians would not have to go through what they did. In fact, the Red Viets in parts helped the Red Khmers to become ones of the worst monsters in the world as we know it today.

But, the monsters turned their back on the creators because they wanted the creators out off their native land. This and with the helps of the Red Chinese triggered the Red Viets into conflicts with Red Khmers. At the end the Red Viets, with the helps of the Red Soviets, had no choice but to invade and occupied Cambodia until they ran out of money in the early 90s. Again, of course, they had saved lives because many of these lives were normal people whose knew nothing about the real politics.


By the way, it is not true to say "if we weren't came there, i thinks Cambodia have no people now". Remember not all the Red Khmers were bad. Plus, good or bad they are all Khmers and they need to have a country - the land so that they can live on, and it is called Cambodia. So, Cambodia will always have people live there no matter what. More or less in numbers is another question.



are you Cambodian? Do you know who supported for Red Khmer ..... I'm sorry but it was Chinese Communist Party ... not VNmese . We just got out from the huge war with US ... why do we need to care about Cambodian's land and whatever ??? I don't wanna say but i need to tell you that actually Chinese gov't was the big ace to control Red Khmer ... let them to captured the Vietnam's Southwest province .....with the main idea was want to invaded South Vietnam as they did with our island : Spartly and Paracel in Vietnam's East Sea ( South China Sea ). If Red Khmer didn't took troops to attacked our Southwestern province, we might not brought any troops or Vietnamese people to Cambodia ( a lot of Vietnamese soldiers were died there to help Cambodians ). Why do we need to came there to invade Cambodia when we just got out the big war, my country's economic was destroyed, VNmese people still starvation and poor .From that reason we help Cambodians against Red Khmer's gov't , Chinese were made the Sino-Vietnam War 1979 .... Why ?????? because they want to protect their ally - Red Khmer from VN, they want to had South VN but they couldn't. Then when VN against Red Khmer to protect our lands and help Cambodians ,Chinese launched the offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia, which ended the reign of the Red Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. Vietnamese called it was the War against Chinese expansionism. I think it is the real name for the past, today and in the future. A lot of my people were died for 2 war after the Vietnam war with US, is it fair for us ??? I'm sorry but my country had a lot of war and painful history more than any country in the world. I don't want anyone think we like another colonial empire as France,Chinese,Japan ...etc

Vietnamese and Cambodians need to realized and memorized about couple millions Vietnamese and Cambodians soldier were died to the Cambodian' peace time today. It's not the communist viewpoint, it's the viewpoint from all the people who love the peace and hate the Chinese Expansionism. I hope you can have some more information and viewpoint from here.

The chinese supportet the "Khmer Rouge" but today they help Cambodia

are you Cambodian? Do you know who supported for Red Khmer ..... I'm sorry but it was Chinese Communist Party ... not VNmese . We just got out from the huge war with US ... why do we need to care about Cambodian's land and whatever ??? I don't wanna say but i need to tell you that actually Chinese gov't was the big ace to control Red Khmer ... let them to captured the Vietnam's Southwest province .....with the main idea was want to invaded South Vietnam as they did with our island : Spartly and Paracel in Vietnam's East Sea ( South China Sea ). If Red Khmer didn't took troops to attacked our Southwestern province, we might not brought any troops or Vietnamese people to Cambodia ( a lot of Vietnamese soldiers were died there to help Cambodians ). Why do we need to came there to invade Cambodia when we just got out the big war, my country's economic was destroyed, VNmese people still starvation and poor .From that reason we help Cambodians against Red Khmer's gov't , Chinese were made the Sino-Vietnam War 1979 .... Why ?????? because they want to protect their ally - Red Khmer from VN, they want to had South VN but they couldn't. Then when VN against Red Khmer to protect our lands and help Cambodians ,Chinese launched the offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia, which ended the reign of the Red Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. Vietnamese called it was the War against Chinese expansionism. I think it is the real name for the past, today and in the future. A lot of my people were died for 2 war after the Vietnam war with US, is it fair for us ??? I'm sorry but my country had a lot of war and painful history more than any country in the world. I don't want anyone think we like another colonial empire as France,Chinese,Japan ...etc

Vietnamese and Cambodians need to realized and memorized about couple millions Vietnamese and Cambodians soldier were died to the Cambodian' peace time today. It's not the communist viewpoint, it's the viewpoint from all the people who love the peace and hate the Chinese Expansionism. I hope you can have some more information and viewpoint from here.

I am Cambodian Canadian. I know quite well who supported the Red Khmers when they were in conflict with the Red Viets that triggered the invasion of Cambodia by the Red Viets. The Red Chinese of course. There must be a reason why they did that. One reason because they wanted to stop the expansion of the Red Soviets over Indochina. But, before that in the 60s and early 70 until 1975, who supported the Red Khmers? Who fought along side with them when they captured Phnom Penh and turned Cambodia into a killing field? Wasn't the VietCong?

It is laughable to hear that "why do we need to care about Cambodian's land and whatever ???" You are so naive. The Red Viets needed to have control over Cambodia so that Cambodia didn't allow the Southern Viets to organize resistance against them. Plus, the Red Viets wanted to have control over the Khampuchea Krom population living in the south so that they did not rebel against them in case they wanted to break up with Vietnam like East Timor did with Indonesia. If Vietnam allows Cambodia get stronger, some nationalist Cambodia leaders may influence the affairs of Khmer people living in south Vietnam.

You are right that the Chinese, especially the Hans, in history are known to be expansionists, but so are the Viets. Read your history, and you will know.

In international politics, all "helps" come with string attached. Every country does thing to benefit its own people. There is no love involved.

Sorry that your country has had lots of wars, but so had Cambodia. You fought for your own survival and so did Cambodia. IF you are expansionist, you tend to have more war to gain more land. Can't blame you for that. After all the reason we have a country called Vietnam today is because the southward expansion ideas of the Viets leaders. They took over the Champa Kingdom and part of the Khmer Empire - south Vietnam today. So, don't blame the Red Chinese for their policy because your leaders have the same.

Not only some Cambodians think so, but more than half of the world thinks so. Only the communist blocks would think otherwise. "THAT'S TOTALLY SO WRONG" from the communists point of views, but it is right from the Western point of views. It just like the America invaded the Iraq. Sure, the Americans saved lives too. But, it is still an invasion because they brought troops into an independent country. So, it is called an invasion, regardless right or wrong.

There is no question about the fact that the Communist Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in 1979 saved many Cambodians. But, in the same time the Vietnam Communist Party created the Indochina Communist Party in which the Cambodia Communist Party, whose leaders include those from the Red Khmers, is one of them. The Red Viets helped the Red Khmers to get full control of Cambodia when they fought the Americans and their cronies in Phnom Penh and Saigon in 1975. Without the helps, maybe many more Cambodians would have been still alive today and Cambodians would not have to go through what they did. In fact, the Red Viets in parts helped the Red Khmers to become ones of the worst monsters in the world as we know it today.

But, the monsters turned their back on the creators because they wanted the creators out off their native land. This and with the helps of the Red Chinese triggered the Red Viets into conflicts with Red Khmers. At the end the Red Viets, with the helps of the Red Soviets, had no choice but to invade and occupied Cambodia until they ran out of money in the early 90s. Again, of course, they had saved lives because many of these lives were normal people whose knew nothing about the real politics.


By the way, it is not true to say "if we weren't came there, i thinks Cambodia have no people now". Remember not all the Red Khmers were bad. Plus, good or bad they are all Khmers and they need to have a country - the land so that they can live on, and it is called Cambodia. So, Cambodia will always have people live there no matter what. More or less in numbers is another question.

We are not supposed to talk politics in here, but I see that no one is cutting this discussion off. So, I am jumping in. I would have to agree with our Viet friends here. Most people would have died without the Vietnamese help. I was one of the unfortunate witnesses to all of that. I would not have survived another 2 months if the Vietnamese did not rescue Cambodia. I lost all my parents, brothers, sisters and more than half of my relatives because of the Pol Pot regime. By the way, the three people leading the country now were the persons who begged the Viets for help. Vietnam also lost lots of soldiers in Cambodia. There is a price for that sacrifice. We need to stop saying bad things about our big neighbor to the east. We need their investment.

You are right that the Chinese, especially the Hans, in history are known to be expansionists, but so are the Viets. Read your history, and you will know.
We live in a harsh world. Conquer or be conquered. No country worth a damn has never expanded its borders at the cost of others.

In international politics, all "helps" come with string attached. Every country does thing to benefit its own people. There is no love involved.
Amen.

There are no friends or enemies in international politics, only those who have the same interests as you and those who don't.

"Big fish eats small fish" - that is the way of life. And I don't understand why people still bother to talk again and again the thing that happened decades ago. It is now a part of our history, we can't change it at all. Please share some developments instead

We are not supposed to talk politics in here, but I see that no one is cutting this discussion off. So, I am jumping in. I would have to agree with our Viet friends here. Most people would have died without the Vietnamese help. I was one of the unfortunate witnesses to all of that. I would not have survived another 2 months if the Vietnamese did not rescue Cambodia. I lost all my parents, brothers, sisters and more than half of my relatives because of the Pol Pot regime. By the way, the three people leading the country now were the persons who begged the Viets for help. Vietnam also lost lots of soldiers in Cambodia. There is a price for that sacrifice. We need to stop saying bad things about our big neighbor to the east. We need their investment.

Sure, nothing is wrong with you agree with him, who was the one that started the history of the past.

Like you and most of Cambodians, I was there too and had lost family members due to the Red Khmers in control of Cambodia too. Remember, three of our leaders now and Pen Sovann were members of the Red Khmers too. That was why I said not all Red Khmers were bad. Civil war involves two side of ideology. In the Red Khmers case, one group believe in relationship with the Red Chinese, and the other believe in the Red Viets. But, when they all were against the west they were all friends helping each other to make the Red Khmers come into power that murdered many Cambodians including yours and my loved ones.

I said many time and say it again that the invasion of Vietnam on Cambodia saved lives, and I admitted that. Soldiers fight and died because they follow orders from the policy makers. But, to say that without the Vietnamese invasion, Cambodia would have no people living there, it is absolutely wrong. Who are the Khmer Rouge? Many of them still live in Cambodia. Unless they killed themselves, Cambodia would still have people living in.

To be fair, I never said bad thing about our neighbors. I only respond to people who talk about history of Cambodia. Do you think people would die for you without getting what they want for their families in return? Nothing is free in this world.

Sure, that we need their investments, but not influence in policy making. In fact, we need all the investments from everywhere.

"Big fish eats small fish" - that is the way of life. And I don't understand why people still bother to talk again and again the thing that happened decades ago. It is now a part of our history, we can't change it at all. Please share some developments instead


I agree with you. But, It hurts my ears when people keep saying that without us, your country would have no people living in. Past is the past, we know that. Yours is bigger and you ate some of ours. It is normal. Now, we should stop doing that we want to do business with us. We should talk about a fair trades now and in the future, not having to worry of upsetting our neighbours.

It is better to close this thread because all these conversations will never ends :)

It is better to close this thread because all these conversations will never ends :)

I Agree.... I Thought this website is about development that the reason why I was here the first place, but it's turn out to be something else instead.

Not a very productive thread afterall.. locked!! Petty nationalism and borders (lines on a map) does not seperate the reality that we are all humans and should respect eachother.