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UN and Ethiopia appeal for funds for Somali, Eritrean refugees

ADDIS ABABA — The United Nations and Ethiopia appealed Wednesday for 13 million dollars to help the increasing number of Somali refugees entering the country each day.

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) said some 25,000 Somalis were expected to cross the border over the next few months to escape the violence that has wracked the Horn of Africa nation.

"The money will be used to respond to the protection and assistance needs," Moses Okello, UNHCR's representative in Ethiopia, told reporters. "This includes meeting international standards for water, shelter, health care and sanitation."

Some 2,300 Somalis are now reaching Ethiopia daily, according to a government agency in charge of refugee affairs, in addition to the 67,000 already present as of April.

The World Food Programme meanwhile said it had a shortfall of more than 20,000 metric tonnes to cater for the rising number of refugees in Ethiopia, including the more than 1,300 arriving daily from neighbouring Eritrea.

"We have enough to cover for the months of May, June and July. Without additional resources, WFP will be obliged to start reducing food rations," said Lynne Miller, the agency's deputy country director.

There are now over 42,000 Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia, according to the government agency, all of whom say they fled "human rights violations and military service."

Rights groups say Eritrea has turned into a "giant prison" where detentions, torture and prolonged military conscription have become rife since a 2001 crackdown on perceived political opponents, including senior officials."

http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?title=un_and_ethiopia_appeal_for_funds_for_som&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

One word: Ironic.

This is one of the silent killers in our country right now. We are barely making strides in providing basic needs for our people, now we have to deal with additional people who BTW HATE us. :ohno:

why does somali immigration concern you?:)

why does somali immigration concern you?:)

:lol:

I am sure that was sarcasm.

Looking at the bigger picture though, I have no problem with people from Somali. The only problem is their hatred towards us, and having large groups who hate us coming to our country. If they are peaceful and just need help, we have no problem because it is the right thing to do.

Sorry to say, but this will continue as long as the fighting does.

:lol:

I am sure that was sarcasm.

Looking at the bigger picture though, I have no problem with people from Somali. The only problem is their hatred towards us, and having large groups who hate us coming to our country. If they are peaceful and just need help, we have no problem because it is the right thing to do.

your generalising a hole race and tell me do Somali Ethiopians hate you guys as well?

Looking at the bigger picture though, I have no problem with people from Somali. The only problem is their hatred towards us, and having large groups who hate us coming to our country. If they are peaceful and just need help, we have no problem because it is the right thing to do.

Errr, most Somalis don't hate Ethiopians personally. Politics is a totally different story altogether, as of course we have major differences in opinions for many things but that is only a part of life. I don't like the Ethiopian government...but I don't like the Somali "government" either. :)

Most of the people leaving are vulnerable women and children displaced from their fathers and older brothers, who are pressured to join the warlord militias. It is a truly sad thing. This war, whenever it ends, will be a lasting legacy that will haunt Somalis for generations to come.

I kinda understand the Somali situation, but Eritreans? They fought all these years for what? To flee back to mama Ethiopia, amazing.

I kinda understand the Somali situation, but Eritreans? They fought all these years for what? To flee back to mama Ethiopia, amazing.

I get why your pissed off with Eritrean immigration since we have many Southerners who support secession but don't want to leave the North. But hostility to Somali immigrants is uncalled for.

your generalising a hole race and tell me do Somali Ethiopians hate you guys as well?

One person does not represent a country with 80+ million people

This is one of the silent killers in our country right now. We are barely making strides in providing basic needs for our people, now we have to deal with additional people who BTW HATE us. :ohno:

Well, how do you explain this?

ETHIOPIA-SOMALIA: Puntland begins repatriating Ethiopian migrants

NAIROBI, 6 April 2010 (IRIN) - Authorities in Somalia's self-declared autonomous region of Puntland have begun repatriating hundreds of Ethiopian migrants, officials told IRIN.

"These are people who decided they wanted to return but could not afford to do so," said Mohamud Jama Muse, director of the Migration Response Centre (MRC) in Bosasso, Puntland's capital.

He said thousands of Ethiopians and Somalis were in Bosasso, with the intention of crossing into Yemen or to find work.

"We have so far repatriated 490 Ethiopian migrants," said Maher Ahmed, senior operations and programme manager with the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

Ahmed said that 12 flights had been chartered and IOM was providing airport assistance in Bosasso and Ethiopia.

He said: "We will provide them with US$30 for transport to their home areas and, once there, give them a reintegration package."

Individuals over 18 are given $260 and those younger $110 as part of the reintegration package, he said, adding that "90 percent of those repatriated were women and children".

The continued voluntary repatriation of Ethiopians depended on available funding, Ahmed said.

Joining the queue

Muse said MRC had registered another 1,200 Ethiopians who wanted to return home. He said many had been unable to cross to Yemen or find jobs in Bosasso. "There are no jobs here and they run out of money, so they cannot pay the smugglers."

Adam Nisha Dakabu, an Ethiopian who came to Bosasso to go to Yemen and then Saudi Arabia, said: "I wanted to go but could not because I could not raise the money. I could not find anything to do here, so when I heard about this I registered myself to return."

He said life in Bosasso was very difficult. "At least at home I will be with my family."

Muse said that in response to tough measures taken by the Puntland authorities against smugglers, "it was becoming more and more difficult and expensive for would-be migrants to find boats".

He added that because of the crackdown, smugglers were reportedly charging $200 or more for the trip to Yemen. In the past they charged $50-$75 for the one-to-three-day journey.

According to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR), 74,000 people crossed the Red Sea from the Horn of Africa to Yemen in 2009 - up 50 percent on 2008.

The number of Somali migrants remained steady in 2008 and 2009, while the number of Ethiopians rose sharply to 42,000 in 2009, UNHCR said. So far in 2010, 5,032 migrants have crossed and four have died.

Well, how do you explain this?

It means there are a lot of people leaving our country to go elsewhere, which is what is says, I am not sure what kind of response you are looking for since it states it clearly.

Errr, most Somalis don't hate Ethiopians personally. Politics is a totally different story altogether, as of course we have major differences in opinions for many things but that is only a part of life. I don't like the Ethiopian government...but I don't like the Somali "government" either. :)

Most of the people leaving are vulnerable women and children displaced from their fathers and older brothers, who are pressured to join the warlord militias. It is a truly sad thing. This war, whenever it ends, will be a lasting legacy that will haunt Somalis for generations to come.

Very true. Which is why UNHCR need more funding to help refuges in these areas and others around the globe in finding settlement.

your generalising a hole race and tell me do Somali Ethiopians hate you guys as well?

Yes I did, which is a mistake.

My reasoning isn't based on my extensive knowledge of Somalis or anything, but it is based on the comments I see all over the internet by so-called Somalis on Ethiopia.
As time passes hopefully things will get better.

I get why your pissed off with Eritrean immigration since we have many Southerners who support secession but don't want to leave the North. But hostility to Somali immigrants is uncalled for.
I am actually not pissed off, I don't have anything personally against Eritreans or Somalis.

I just find it extremely ironic that the two groups, that generally hates us the most (based on various Online medias, like comments on youtube, forums etc), are fleeing to our country in huge numbers, that's all.

Wow, Somali numbers have reached 25,000 again already...I remember when the numbers where around the hundreds of thousands level but many repatriated, I guess the renewed fighting drew them back

42,000 from Eritrea is amazing. Even more amazing is that this number doesnt even include the many that have been fleeing to Sudan and further abroad to Libya, Israel and the U.S. etc.

There were at one time around 200,000 or more South Sudanese refugees in Gambella and Wellega but by the late 90's their numbers had gone down significantly. I think now they are only in the low thousands.

I just find it extremely ironic that the two groups, that generally hates us the most (based on various Online medias, like comments on youtube, forums etc), are fleeing to our country in huge numbers, that's all.

That's a weird irony, you can't base an opinion what you think an entire people thinks on what you read on the internet. :dunno:

Regardless, the ones fleeing really are leaving destruction and warfare, which is more important than national loyalties.

42,000 from Eritrea is amazing. Even more amazing is that this number doesnt even include the many that have been fleeing to Sudan and further abroad to Libya, Israel and the U.S. etc.
^^
Never thought of that....Time changes in a mystreous way....


Year 1962: ------ Integrating Eritrea & Ethiopia was like integrating East Germany (Ethiopia) and West Germany (Eritrea). The dominant ruler to be East Germany.

* Eritrea used to have up to 1,000 small & large scale industries with almost perfect parliament - thanks to the 10 years Admin of the UK. King Haile Selasies's primary objective was to take over those industries - that's why he killed the Federal system.

That's why, Eritreans died for 30 odd years.

Year 2010: ------ Everything is now the reverse. Trying to integrating Eritrea (now East Germany) with Ethiopia (now West Germany) would be a disaster. We Ethiopians will definitely oppose the integration. We rather be a Shifta and die. No way for integration!! Asab is the only unfinished business we have with the Eris.

That's a weird irony, you can't base an opinion what you think an entire people thinks on what you read on the internet. :dunno:

Not the entire population, but generally, both me and you know how it is.

Actually, 100% of the Somalians I meet outside Ethiopia are always friendly. Those that spew insults on the internet seem to be a special breed.
Here in Lusaka, we even wave to each other when we see each other on the roads for instance, even though we've never met.

I feel sorry for refugees, it's a horrible situation.

Actually, 100% of the Somalians I meet outside Ethiopia are always friendly. Those that spew insults on the internet seem to be a special breed.
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Same here, in fact some of my closest friends are Somalians.:)

They are welcomed in the Ogaden. It's there land as well. Especially those from South Somalia.

Actually, 100% of the Somalians I meet outside Ethiopia are always friendly. Those that spew insults on the internet seem to be a special breed.
Here in Lusaka, we even wave to each other when we see each other on the roads for instance, even though we've never met.

I feel sorry for refugees, it's a horrible situation.
Well I agree, I've never meet any hostility from any Somali or Eritrean here in Stockholm and there are a lot of people from those countries here. I think it's easier to insult some one on the Internet than in real life, it's probably often the same people that smiles at you when you see them outside.

They are welcomed in the Ogaden. It's there land as well. Especially those from South Somalia.
Are you from Ogaden?

Ethiopians, Somalia’s and Eritreans share similar cultures. The problems between us have been made worse by external forces and exaggerated by ignorant and radical elements within each group. We may have political problems here are there but as each country increases its development and democratization our ties will get stronger.

Are you from Ogaden?

Yes, I was born in Dire Dawa.

Yes, I was born in Dire Dawa.
Did you grow up in Ethiopia? I guess you are of Somali ancestry, were you treated bad by other groups in Ethiopia?

Did you grow up in Ethiopia? I guess you are of Somali ancestry, were you treated bad by other groups in Ethiopia?

I left when I was around 6 years old. No group in Ethiopia treated us badly. We got along with the Oromos and others fine. The problem was the government(Tplf).

In Kenya, there are two hundred and fifty thousand Somali refugees, and tens of thousands of Sudanese refugees. This is the reason why I started the (ill fated) annexing Somalia thread in the Oasis section. The UN runs these camps for the most part, but the situation is dire due to poor housing ( a simple tent) and bad nutrition. The refugees sometimes also pose security threats by smuggling illegal arms into Kenya, and increasing armed robberies. Some seven thousand Somali refugees cross the border into Kenya every two weeks, and about sixty thousand every year (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/18/content_11032538.htm) (maybe more or less now). I hope one day peace returns to Somalia so they can go back to rebuild their nation.

I feel sorry for the Somali refugees that get displaced by war. And the way they live in those camps is heartbreaking to say the least. In Kenya, there are two hundred and fifty thousand Somali refugees, and tens of thousands of Sudanese refugees. This is the reason why I started the (ill fated) annexing Somalia thread in the Oasis section. The UN runs these camps for the most part, but the situation is dire due to poor housing ( a simple tent) and bad nutrition. The refugees sometimes also pose security threats by smuggling illegal arms into Kenya, and increasing armed robberies. Some seven thousand Somali refugees cross the border into Kenya every two weeks, and about sixty thousand every year (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/18/content_11032538.htm) (maybe more or less now). The really sad part is that most of them end up loving Kenya, but the government is a little unwilling to give them citizenship. I hope one day peace returns to Somalia so they can go back to rebuild their nation.

On a more personal note, the Somalis iv'e met (with the exception of a few here in SSC (Ja'far)) seem to be pretty decent people. *some* of them look down on other Africans and they call themselves Arab and all sorts of other things. My mom once met a young Somali girl who had this problem. I also hear that the men do not allow their daughters to get married to other Africans excepts Somalis. This is a real shame to be honest ;)

I think with proper education, this inferiority thing they have towards Africans is going to pass.

edit/ I found this interesting article (http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334) on Somali Christians in Kenya. It's a shame what other Somalis are doing to them :ohno:
I mean really? How can you attack your own kind in a foreign nation?!?! I thought people usually stood together under these circumstances! I know first hand that Kenyan communities in other countries stick pretty close together. How Somalis got this animosity towards each other I will never understand :ohno: :ohno:


Nothing is wrong with Somalis wanting to marry Somalis not other Africans. They are trying to keep their culture and preserve their lineage. Barely any Somalis calls themself or herself Arab, maybe a very few individuals; not a large section of the population.

Also that link you posted smells bullshit. Those people in the picture are clearly not Somalis

Oh again! the bastard mulato kid insulting the somali yet?
Feel sorry for your own people who are killing the children and the women, kikuyu vs luo.
even could not solve your own problem,
somali refugees living in tent so kenyans too the victams of last election.

Oh again! the bastard mulato kid insulting the somali yet?
Feel sorry for your own people who are killing the children and the women, kikuyu vs luo.
even could not solve your own problem,
somali refugees living in tent so kenyans too the victams of last election.

hey! how many times have I insulted you?http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6155/ssighater.gif I have never said that I don't like Somalis, in fact I have more than a few Somali friends. I grew up with Somalis and I know them first hand. Stop throwing insults over the internet, it really looks bad ok? http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8839/ssigchillpill.gif

The problem is not an Ethiopian one but a regional one. Look at the bigger map, there are Somalian refugees in Ethiopia, Ethiopian refugees in Somalia (Puntland), Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia, Ethiopian and Somalian refugees in Djibouti ect...

The problem is not an Ethiopian one but a regional one. Look at the bigger map, there are Somalian refugees in Ethiopia, Ethiopian refugees in Somalia (Puntland), Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia, Ethiopian and Somalian refugees in Djibouti ect...
You've got a point, but the number of Kenyan and Ethiopian refugees are very small compared to Somali because of obvious reasons.

Ethiopia is already a poor country, and we are supposed to take care of thousands of new refugees from north and east.. and remember that these are people that probably sees us as the biggest enemy in the world.

I don't mind setting up camps on our side of the border, if the international community can take of them. But it's expensive for us and our nurses are working at those camps instead of working at our own hospitals and clinics, Ethiopia needs all the medical staff it can get. There are more Ethiopian doctors in Chicago, than in Ethiopia - that's how serious the situation is.

You've got a point, but the number of Kenyan and Ethiopian refugees are very small compared to Somali because of obvious reasons.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8804/ssigagreed.gif

Ethiopia is already a poor country, and we are supposed to take care of thousands of new refugees from north and east.. and remember that these are people that probably sees us as the biggest enemy in the world.

Also agreed. But you can not shut down the border without breaking international law.

I don't mind setting up camps on our side of the border, if the international community can take of them. But it's expensive for us and our nurses are working at those camps instead of working at our own hospitals and clinics, Ethiopia needs all the medical staff it can get.

Ethiopia needs these doctors, but the only way to decrease the demand for them from the Somalis is by re-establishing a peaceful state. That doen't seem likely to hapen any time soon. On the other hand, Ethiopia could recognise Somaliland and send all the refugees there instead. The other way to do this is if you had compitent leaders in power that actually put real effort into training more doctors and nurses in the country.

There are more Ethiopian doctors in Chicago, than in Ethiopia - that's how serious the situation is.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7311/sfunbangdesk.gif Hopefully the situation will change before too long. For Ethiopia's sake.

I feel sorry for the Somali refugees that get displaced by war. And the way they live in those camps is heartbreaking to say the least. In Kenya, there are two hundred and fifty thousand Somali refugees, and tens of thousands of Sudanese refugees. This is the reason why I started the (ill fated) annexing Somalia thread in the Oasis section. The UN runs these camps for the most part, but the situation is dire due to poor housing ( a simple tent) and bad nutrition. The refugees sometimes also pose security threats by smuggling illegal arms into Kenya, and increasing armed robberies. Some seven thousand Somali refugees cross the border into Kenya every two weeks, and about sixty thousand every year (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/18/content_11032538.htm) (maybe more or less now). The really sad part is that most of them end up loving Kenya, but the government is a little unwilling to give them citizenship. I hope one day peace returns to Somalia so they can go back to rebuild their nation.

On a more personal note, the Somalis iv'e met (with the exception of a few here in SSC (Ja'far)) seem to be pretty decent people. *some* of them look down on other Africans and they call themselves Arab and all sorts of other things. My mom once met a young Somali girl who had this problem. I also hear that the men do not allow their daughters to get married to other Africans excepts Somalis. This is a real shame to be honest ;)

I think with proper education, this inferiority thing they have towards Africans is going to pass.

edit/ I found this interesting article (http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334) on Somali Christians in Kenya. It's a shame what other Somalis are doing to them :ohno:
I mean really? How can you attack your own kind in a foreign nation?!?! I thought people usually stood together under these circumstances! I know first hand that Kenyan communities in other countries stick pretty close together. How Somalis got this animosity towards each other I will never understand :ohno: :ohno:

well, about annexing somalia, you posted a photo of an article written by a kenyan lawyer. i will post the rest of the story soon. Furthermore, i didn't insult you. You can't put shit like that on the net and not expect people to react.

Why Kenya and Ethiopia ought to annex and divide Somalia

By DONALD KIPKORIR, dkipkorir@ktk.co.ke
Posted Friday, October 3 2008 at 19:36

Last month, Lehmans Brothers and Merrill Lynch, the world’s foremost investment banks, went bankrupt and we witnessed the financial chaos in the western capitals.

In the fog of international headlines on finding a financial bail-out in Washington, a rag-tag army of 50 semi-naked men on rickety boats captured a ship carrying 33 T-72 tanks, rocket-propelled grenades and anti-aircraft guns off the coast of Somalia.

The capture of mv Faina and the stalemated talks amid the surrounding American and Russian warships made me think that maybe this is the time to find a final solution to the Somali problem.

Since 1960, the country has been a lawless state that is a haven for terrorists and pirates. The pirates have told us the destination of the captured weaponry causing tension and panic in Washington, Nairobi and Khartoum.

If it is true that the final consignee was the government of Southern Sudan, as they allege, I will be on the same page with the Kibaki government for the first time.

I am a fervent supporter of a strategic foreign policy even if it attracts us enemies of such malevolent and despotic regimes as that of Khartoum.

Supporting the Southern Sudan government is in our long-term strategic interest and we should not shy from it. The truth of the matter is that as a Western ally, Kenya is an existential enemy of Arab countries, Sudan included.

Annexing Somalia is thus in our strategic interest and we must do it now as the financial meltdown continues to take away the attention of the world.

Somalia as a state exists only in world maps. It is a classic case of a failed state. It is a state dismembered into as many independent units as there are sub-clans. Its 90-strong cabinet is emblematic of the actual number of units.

The Horn of Africa country has no functioning government. The so-called transitional federal government, led by Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, is confined to a shell-shocked presidential compound.

There is no standing or even sitting army or judicial systems. By all accounts, Somalia is a black hole in international law. Together with Afghanistan and Pakistan they are known as the training grounds and refuge for international terrorism.

Kenya has been a victim of such terrorism, leading to near-destruction of its tourism industry. We cannot afford another such attack. We have the potential to develop our tourism to compete with, if not outpace, Egypt and South Africa. But we cannot do so if Somalia continues to be a non-state.

Somalia neighbours Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Of these, it is only Ethiopia and Kenya that have strategic interest in Somalia. Djibouti is a primitive entrepot that can’t even supply water to its 600,000 people, who are forced to drink that imported from France or Coca Cola. Therefore, Djibouti is out in the quest for the final solution to the Somali puzzle.

Kenya and Ethiopia must and ought to dismember Somalia and divide it between themselves along the 4 degrees latitude, each taking all the land below and above the line.

The division will make both countries extend their territories by roughly 300,000sq km and additional populations of about five million.

Once Kenya and Ethiopia have sent their combined army to Somalia and declared the annexation, we will present to the world a fait accompli.

In 1845, America annexed Texas from Mexico and forced the Texan legislature to pass a specific legislation stating that it accepted the annexation. The annexation has stood to date and, for good measure, President George W. Bush is a proud American Texan.

For Kenya and Ethiopia, having the Somali legislature to endorse the annexation will be cake-walk. At any given time, most, if not all, Somali legislators are in Nairobi.

We will have them convene in one of our hotels and to pass the appropriate statutes dividing their country.

When the allied forces liberated Germany from Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, they sent the bill to Berlin.


Our cost of annexing Somalia will be settled by Mogadishu. Somalia is known to have huge deposits of oil, natural gas, uranium and iron ore. Immediately after the annexation, we will invite our strategic foreign friends (not China please) to come and exploit the resources for us.

Kenyans ought to know that although Somalia is a failed state, its positive statistics are impressive. Without a structured economy, its gross national income per capita is US$600 (Sh40,000), when ours is $550 (Sh36,800). Of its universities that operate without budgets and with armed militia guarding them, three are in Africa’s top 100.

International law forbids the use of force by states against the territorial integrity and political independence of others. Somalia doesn’t have either.

But the law also recognises irreversible processes like the extinction of states such as in the USSR, emergence of new states from former USSR and Yugoslavia, and annexations like that of Texas. International order hates reversing completed processes, more so if the world is a better place.

If we do not annex Somalia and now, we will be a victim of its failed status and pulled down by it. We will not be able to achieve our strategic foreign policy in the region, or attain the Vision 2030 goal.

The time to annex and dismember Somalia is now; Washington and Moscow will be grateful.

^^ That's just crazy. A stable, non-extremist Somalia is in our interest.

Trying to annex Somalia will only make it worse for everyone in the region.

^^ That's just crazy. A stable, non-extremist Somalia is in our interest.

Trying to annex Somalia will only make it worse for everyone in the region.

Crazy indeed. instead of some of you guys saying Al shabab this Al shabab that? You need to know every story has two sides, your only getting one.

Nobody is fleeing to the impoverished nation of Ethiopia. Ethiopia itself is one big refugee camp. Besides even if people were "fleeing" to Ethiopia it is not as if your government is taking care of them. They will be taking care of by foreign agencies, the same agencies that keep Ethiopia on life support with food aid and loans.

I kinda understand the Somali situation, but Eritreans? They fought all these years for what? To flee back to mama Ethiopia, amazing.

Yes the "mama" of disease and famine. You are number one. Ethiopia is a joke. Just stay on your side the border Shoan.

^^
Never thought of that....Time changes in a mystreous way....


Year 1962: ------ Integrating Eritrea & Ethiopia was like integrating East Germany (Ethiopia) and West Germany (Eritrea). The dominant ruler to be East Germany.

* Eritrea used to have up to 1,000 small & large scale industries with almost perfect parliament - thanks to the 10 years Admin of the UK. King Haile Selasies's primary objective was to take over those industries - that's why he killed the Federal system.

That's why, Eritreans died for 30 odd years.

Year 2010: ------ Everything is now the reverse. Trying to integrating Eritrea (now East Germany) with Ethiopia (now West Germany) would be a disaster. We Ethiopians will definitely oppose the integration. We rather be a Shifta and die. No way for integration!! Asab is the only unfinished business we have with the Eris.

1950 was the year Eritrea was linked to an uncivilized "country" aka former British protectorate and Italian colony Ethiopia. Eritreans liberated themselves from backwards people. We have nothing to regret, but we enjoy the laughter you Amharas and agames provide for us when you cry about us. You country is fake since its inception to say it succinctly, it shares the same fate as Yugoslavia."

Ethiopians, Somalia’s and Eritreans share similar cultures. The problems between us have been made worse by external forces and exaggerated by ignorant and radical elements within each group. We may have political problems here are there but as each country increases its development and democratization our ties will get stronger.

you nailed it! speaking of "ignorant/radical elements" from within, those same forces (from both sides) have posted in this very thread. go figure! it's a sickening environment.

Why Kenya and Ethiopia ought to annex and divide Somalia

By DONALD KIPKORIR, dkipkorir@ktk.co.ke
Posted Friday, October 3 2008 at 19:36

Last month, Lehmans Brothers and Merrill Lynch, the world’s foremost investment banks, went bankrupt and we witnessed the financial chaos in the western capitals.

In the fog of international headlines on finding a financial bail-out in Washington, a rag-tag army of 50 semi-naked men on rickety boats captured a ship carrying 33 T-72 tanks, rocket-propelled grenades and anti-aircraft guns off the coast of Somalia.

The capture of mv Faina and the stalemated talks amid the surrounding American and Russian warships made me think that maybe this is the time to find a final solution to the Somali problem.

Since 1960, the country has been a lawless state that is a haven for terrorists and pirates. The pirates have told us the destination of the captured weaponry causing tension and panic in Washington, Nairobi and Khartoum.

If it is true that the final consignee was the government of Southern Sudan, as they allege, I will be on the same page with the Kibaki government for the first time.

I am a fervent supporter of a strategic foreign policy even if it attracts us enemies of such malevolent and despotic regimes as that of Khartoum.

Supporting the Southern Sudan government is in our long-term strategic interest and we should not shy from it. The truth of the matter is that as a Western ally, Kenya is an existential enemy of Arab countries, Sudan included.

Annexing Somalia is thus in our strategic interest and we must do it now as the financial meltdown continues to take away the attention of the world.

Somalia as a state exists only in world maps. It is a classic case of a failed state. It is a state dismembered into as many independent units as there are sub-clans. Its 90-strong cabinet is emblematic of the actual number of units.

The Horn of Africa country has no functioning government. The so-called transitional federal government, led by Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, is confined to a shell-shocked presidential compound.

There is no standing or even sitting army or judicial systems. By all accounts, Somalia is a black hole in international law. Together with Afghanistan and Pakistan they are known as the training grounds and refuge for international terrorism.

Kenya has been a victim of such terrorism, leading to near-destruction of its tourism industry. We cannot afford another such attack. We have the potential to develop our tourism to compete with, if not outpace, Egypt and South Africa. But we cannot do so if Somalia continues to be a non-state.

Somalia neighbours Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Of these, it is only Ethiopia and Kenya that have strategic interest in Somalia. Djibouti is a primitive entrepot that can’t even supply water to its 600,000 people, who are forced to drink that imported from France or Coca Cola. Therefore, Djibouti is out in the quest for the final solution to the Somali puzzle.

Kenya and Ethiopia must and ought to dismember Somalia and divide it between themselves along the 4 degrees latitude, each taking all the land below and above the line.

The division will make both countries extend their territories by roughly 300,000sq km and additional populations of about five million.

Once Kenya and Ethiopia have sent their combined army to Somalia and declared the annexation, we will present to the world a fait accompli.

In 1845, America annexed Texas from Mexico and forced the Texan legislature to pass a specific legislation stating that it accepted the annexation. The annexation has stood to date and, for good measure, President George W. Bush is a proud American Texan.

For Kenya and Ethiopia, having the Somali legislature to endorse the annexation will be cake-walk. At any given time, most, if not all, Somali legislators are in Nairobi.

We will have them convene in one of our hotels and to pass the appropriate statutes dividing their country.

When the allied forces liberated Germany from Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, they sent the bill to Berlin.


Our cost of annexing Somalia will be settled by Mogadishu. Somalia is known to have huge deposits of oil, natural gas, uranium and iron ore. Immediately after the annexation, we will invite our strategic foreign friends (not China please) to come and exploit the resources for us.

Kenyans ought to know that although Somalia is a failed state, its positive statistics are impressive. Without a structured economy, its gross national income per capita is US$600 (Sh40,000), when ours is $550 (Sh36,800). Of its universities that operate without budgets and with armed militia guarding them, three are in Africa’s top 100.

International law forbids the use of force by states against the territorial integrity and political independence of others. Somalia doesn’t have either.

But the law also recognises irreversible processes like the extinction of states such as in the USSR, emergence of new states from former USSR and Yugoslavia, and annexations like that of Texas. International order hates reversing completed processes, more so if the world is a better place.

If we do not annex Somalia and now, we will be a victim of its failed status and pulled down by it. We will not be able to achieve our strategic foreign policy in the region, or attain the Vision 2030 goal.

The time to annex and dismember Somalia is now; Washington and Moscow will be grateful.





the idiocy in this post is mind boggling. like, I can't even respond to this. the nerve this guy has to write such an article.




Yes the "mama" of disease and famine. You are number one. Ethiopia is a joke. Just stay on your side the border Shoan.

like clockwork. this clown shows up just in time...

Erifreedomfighter, being obsessed with the country he fought to get his freedom from.

the irony is priceless, not to mention the comedy.

like clockwork. this clown shows up just in time...

Erifreedomfighter, being obsessed with the country he fought to get his freedom from.

the irony is priceless, not to mention the comedy.
:lol: I know right.

We are talking about the huge amount of Eritreans that are fleeing to Ethiopia every week, and he is telling us that we should stay in Ethiopia.:nuts:

I feel sorry for the Somali refugees that get displaced by war. And the way they live in those camps is heartbreaking to say the least. In Kenya, there are two hundred and fifty thousand Somali refugees, and tens of thousands of Sudanese refugees. This is the reason why I started the (ill fated) annexing Somalia thread in the Oasis section. The UN runs these camps for the most part, but the situation is dire due to poor housing ( a simple tent) and bad nutrition. The refugees sometimes also pose security threats by smuggling illegal arms into Kenya, and increasing armed robberies. Some seven thousand Somali refugees cross the border into Kenya every two weeks, and about sixty thousand every year (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/18/content_11032538.htm) (maybe more or less now). The really sad part is that most of them end up loving Kenya, but the government is a little unwilling to give them citizenship. I hope one day peace returns to Somalia so they can go back to rebuild their nation.

On a more personal note, the Somalis iv'e met (with the exception of a few here in SSC (Ja'far)) seem to be pretty decent people. *some* of them look down on other Africans and they call themselves Arab and all sorts of other things. My mom once met a young Somali girl who had this problem. I also hear that the men do not allow their daughters to get married to other Africans excepts Somalis. This is a real shame to be honest ;)

I think with proper education, this inferiority thing they have towards Africans is going to pass.

edit/ I found this interesting article (http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=334) on Somali Christians in Kenya. It's a shame what other Somalis are doing to them :ohno:
I mean really? How can you attack your own kind in a foreign nation?!?! I thought people usually stood together under these circumstances! I know first hand that Kenyan communities in other countries stick pretty close together. How Somalis got this animosity towards each other I will never understand :ohno: :ohno:

^^i can not believe the moderators are watching as this guy main intention is to provoke the Somali forumers in the SSC, can somebody help us before things get out of hand :bash: maybe i check with some of the admins before another tsunami starts :lol::lol:

OK OK; it seems you guys don't like me speaking my mind. I'm editing my post.

I can see you guys are sensitive to the Somalia issue, so I will try not to discuss it any more on this forum.

Thank you for doing that I.M.

Your open to speak your mind though I.M., just keep it factual because generalizations can be a slippery slope, I also gave ALIYARE an infraction for calling you a name..so the discussion is open to everyone.

the idiocy in this post is mind boggling. like, I can't even respond to this. the nerve this guy has to write such an article.






like clockwork. this clown shows up just in time...

Erifreedomfighter, being obsessed with the country he fought to get his freedom from.

the irony is priceless, not to mention the comedy.

:lol:

:rofl:

1950 was the year Eritrea was linked to an uncivilized "country" aka former British protectorate and Italian colony Ethiopia.
^^
Yea...I see that in all history books. But, that's gone for good!:)
This is Year 2010.....your 80,000+ relatives, friends, neighbours, etc. are crossing the border to the fake country you call Ethiopia. Can you explain to us why?


You country is fake since its inception to say it succinctly, it shares the same fate as Yugoslavia."

I think I'm falling in love with this dude!

I am all for any type of posts, and expressing feelings. Even saying Ethiopians are starving and will die off in the next 100 years... I have no problem with that so long as it provokes discussions. We need to keep the forum spicy. What we should avoid is a boring forum. Yosef I think you should welcome any type of provocative discussion how off it is. Only thing we can't allow is name calling contest and posting offensive pictures.

Because at the end of the day, calling a group of people or individuals is extremely boring because its a contest b/n two individuals of who makes the best offensive remark.

To me what I.M Boring posted is perfectly acceptable, if you dispute what he wrote, then counter it with your own statements. Don't call the mod for it.

I am all for any type of posts, and expressing feelings. Even saying Ethiopians are starving and will die off in the next 100 years... I have no problem with that so long as it provokes discussions. We need to keep the forum spicy. What we should avoid is a boring forum. Yosef I think you should welcome any type of provocative discussion how off it is. Only thing we can't allow is name calling contest and posting offensive pictures.

Because at the end of the day, calling a group of people or individuals is extremely boring because its a contest b/n two individuals of who makes the best offensive remark.

To me what I.M Boring posted is perfectly acceptable, if you dispute what he wrote, then counter it with your own statements. Don't call the mod for it.

^^maybe you want those fireworks that used to happen here and the silly contest between the horners, hope you grow now its 2010 and those nonsense don't help anybody, i used to cherish controversial topics like this, but i realise it won't help course anyway.

@per im boring what he wrote, has nothing to do with topic, how is anybody's business who my sister date? what Christianity has to do with topic as he put it? for your information Im boring is 16 year old boy who maybe fell in love with Somali lady but he had no game, this is not the site for dating and love coaching its skyscrapercity for heaven sake,:)

Once Kenya and Ethiopia have sent their combined army to Somalia and declared the annexation, we will present to the world a fait accompli.

For Kenya and Ethiopia, having the Somali legislature to endorse the annexation will be cake-walk. At any given time, most, if not all, Somali legislators are in Nairobi.


This man seems to be high on some kind of drug.

If it was that simple, the war would have ended a long time ago. :lol:

As for Somalia, it will continue to suffer as long as foreigners continue to support and arm warlords which have no interest in peace. Too much people support the status quo because they profit from it (not only financially but politically). Shameful.

I am all for any type of posts, and expressing feelings. Even saying Ethiopians are starving and will die off in the next 100 years... I have no problem with that so long as it provokes discussions. We need to keep the forum spicy. What we should avoid is a boring forum. Yosef I think you should welcome any type of provocative discussion how off it is. Only thing we can't allow is name calling contest and posting offensive pictures.

Because at the end of the day, calling a group of people or individuals is extremely boring because its a contest b/n two individuals of who makes the best offensive remark.

To me what I.M Boring posted is perfectly acceptable, if you dispute what he wrote, then counter it with your own statements. Don't call the mod for it.


I disagree and I'm a bit surprised that it came from you. the internet is where people say whatever they want to say and face no consequences. the internet is where rumors start, facts get distorted and history gets re-written. it'd be naive to expect everyone to be responsible, all we can do is hold them accountable. that's why Mods are needed to weed out those with other intentions and keep the forum civil, productive and more importantly informative. certain topics can not be used for entertainment purposes.

I disagree and I'm a bit surprised that it came from you. the internet is where people say whatever they want to say and face no consequences. the internet is where rumors start, facts get distorted and history gets re-written. it'd be naive to expect everyone to be responsible, all we can do is hold them accountable. that's why Mods are needed to weed out those with other intentions and keep the forum civil, productive and more importantly informative. certain topics can not be used for entertainment purposes.

:applause::applause:

Mr yosef . got your point sorry.

Mr yosef . got your point sorry.

never say sorry at ssc.

No worries ALIYARE, just try to keep it civil if possible.

I disagree and I'm a bit surprised that it came from you. the internet is where people say whatever they want to say and face no consequences. the internet is where rumors start, facts get distorted and history gets re-written. it'd be naive to expect everyone to be responsible, all we can do is hold them accountable. that's why Mods are needed to weed out those with other intentions and keep the forum civil, productive and more importantly informative. certain topics can not be used for entertainment purposes.

Here is an Idea, let's leave the judgement to Yosef, that is why he was elected as a Mod. One other way is to have a voting system to ban people when its difficult to judge. Bigsoccer.com mods have that rule. Anyway its an idea. I will let Yosef does his thing.

As for rumors starting- well you can do so about Ethiopia in the world wide web if you are upto it. One of he worst rumors about Ethiopia is that it is a starving nation. The only way to battle such outlook is to fight back with counter statements and activities rather than the impossible way of banning or stifling voices.

Muffling voices is what EPRDF are doing to our people. That is what the Derg did. People are saying Obama was not born in the US, according to your view these people should be silenced. According to mine they should be allowed to say whatever they want, as long as they don't threaten to kill him. You can build a vibrant society when people are allowed to express their views to the fullest. We might as well start here is what I am saying.

If someone wrote Ethiopia is a large refugee nation because of AID, then find out the facts and specify them. Post the number of Eris pouring into Ethiopia, post pictures, etc... That way the rumors actually help others see what Ethiopia is really about. However if someone posted say a dead Ethiopian man on the streets as a way to ridicule our nation, or he posts the same thing again and again then remove his posts and ban him because this is stepping over the etiquette rule.

Anyway I will let Yosef decide as case by case basis.

I believe the best policy is to make it acceptable to criticise governments and make it unacceptable to insult countries. Why should we make it acceptable for people like Erifreedomfighter to insult Ethiopia. We have to draw the line somewhere and not compromise when it comes to insulting our country.

I believe the best policy is to make it acceptable to criticise governments and make it unacceptable to insult countries. Why should we make it acceptable for people like Erifreedomfighter to insult Ethiopia. We have to draw the line somewhere and not compromise when it comes to insulting our country.

The key point is differentiating what is an insult and what is an exaggeration. For example Eritreedomfighter stated that Ethiopia receives AID, that is true, He said the money to take care of the Eritrean and Somalians refugees in Ethiopia comes from the UN, that is true. But also he said, the Entire Ethiopian nation is a refugee nation because of AID, this is a silly exaggeration. He also missed the point that, to take care of the Eritrean and Somalian refugees Ethiopia lent the land and does a lot of leg work the assure their security and passage to their permanent destination.

I was a refugee in Kenya and I am indebted to Kenyans for ever for the help they provided to me and many Ethiopian and Eritrean refugees at the time. He is biting the hand that fed his people if he doesn't recognize the help Ethiopia provides. So his statements should provoke replies like the one I wrote here.

So that way we are using him to make the forum lively and provoke members write interesting facts about their country. Strangers will learn a lot about Ethiopia that way. If you muffle provocative posts then it will be preaching to the choir and will be a dull forum.

However I agree with you we should avoid personal and national name callings because they are boring.

Here is an Idea, let's leave the judgement to Yosef, that is why he was elected as a Mod. One other way is to have a voting system to ban people when its difficult to judge. Bigsoccer.com mods have that rule. Anyway its an idea. I will let Yosef does his thing.

As for rumors starting- well you can do so about Ethiopia in the world wide web if you are upto it. One of he worst rumors about Ethiopia is that it is a starving nation. The only way to battle such outlook is to fight back with counter statements and activities rather than the impossible way of banning or stifling voices.

Muffling voices is what EPRDF are doing to our people. That is what the Derg did. People are saying Obama was not born in the US, according to your view these people should be silenced. According to mine they should be allowed to say whatever they want, as long as they don't threaten to kill him. You can build a vibrant society when people are allowed to express their views to the fullest. We might as well start here is what I am saying.

If someone wrote Ethiopia is a large refugee nation because of AID, then find out the facts and specify them. Post the number of Eris pouring into Ethiopia, post pictures, etc... That way the rumors actually help others see what Ethiopia is really about. However if someone posted say a dead Ethiopian man on the streets as a way to ridicule our nation, or he posts the same thing again and again then remove his posts and ban him because this is stepping over the etiquette rule.

Anyway I will let Yosef decide as case by case basis.

:lol::lol::lol: unfortunately let me burst your bubble, they is no democracy in the SSC, its kinda benevolent autocratic system,:lol: either way on the serious note its not possible because the rules are clear which guides the mods so they is no room for consultation:lol: the easier way of helping each other is by sticking to the rules so that the forum don't lose resourceful members,:) they say in the SSC its privilege to post but not a right :)

Here is an Idea, let's leave the judgement to Yosef, that is why he was elected as a Mod. One other way is to have a voting system to ban people when its difficult to judge. Bigsoccer.com mods have that rule. Anyway its an idea. I will let Yosef does his thing.

As for rumors starting- well you can do so about Ethiopia in the world wide web if you are upto it. One of he worst rumors about Ethiopia is that it is a starving nation. The only way to battle such outlook is to fight back with counter statements and activities rather than the impossible way of banning or stifling voices.

Muffling voices is what EPRDF are doing to our people. That is what the Derg did. People are saying Obama was not born in the US, according to your view these people should be silenced. According to mine they should be allowed to say whatever they want, as long as they don't threaten to kill him. You can build a vibrant society when people are allowed to express their views to the fullest. We might as well start here is what I am saying.

If someone wrote Ethiopia is a large refugee nation because of AID, then find out the facts and specify them. Post the number of Eris pouring into Ethiopia, post pictures, etc... That way the rumors actually help others see what Ethiopia is really about. However if someone posted say a dead Ethiopian man on the streets as a way to ridicule our nation, or he posts the same thing again and again then remove his posts and ban him because this is stepping over the etiquette rule.

Anyway I will let Yosef decide as case by case basis.


even though I understand where you're coming from and I'm somewhat sympathetic to your view you seem to forget that this is the internet. the point is, not every one deserves the same protection. some people don't care about being a part of anything except trying to spread their toxic views.


as for Yosef's responsibility, we can't always expect him to do all the work by himself. in fact, he was chosen to carry out the will of the people (you know like every other democratic nation) so let's help him out and also point out what we see as disturbing. he can then make the right call and follow up by taking the appropriate action.

so let's help him out and also point out what we see as disturbing. he can then make the right call and follow up by taking the appropriate action.

Of course. This is what we should do and help him take the right call.

10 August 2010 – Ethiopia has recently decided to take a new approach to Eritrean refugees by allowing them to live outside camps, a move welcomed by the United Nations refugee agency.

Under the so-called ‘out-of-camp’ scheme announced last week, Eritreans who can sustain themselves financially or have relatives or friends who commit to supporting them no longer have to stay in camps.

The policy shift is due to discussions between the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and the Ethiopian Government.

“Given the fact that Eritrea and Ethiopia were a single political entity before the 1993 referendum, the new policy is also a response to refugees’ wishes and needs for strengthened people-to-people relations between the two countries,” UNHCR spokesperson Andrej Mahecic told reporters in Geneva.

More than 60,000 Eritrean refugees have crossed the border into Ethiopia since the border conflict in the late 1990s between the two countries.

The new scheme now allows Eritrean refugees to live in urban areas, improves their access to services and helps build stronger ties with host communities.

UNHCR said that once the policy has fully been implemented, the costs of looking after the refugees will be significantly lowered since those benefiting from the programme will be sustaining themselves.

“It is our hope that this decision will eventually expand to include refugees from other countries as well,” Mr. Mahecic said.

Refugees from Somalia and other countries – numbering 138,000 in all – already live in Ethiopian towns and cities, while more than 36,000 Eritrean refugees reside in three camps and two community centres that are set to be converted into camps.

Any Eritrean refugee living in an Ethiopian camp who does not have a criminal record is eligible to take part in the new programme, which also involves skills training and educational opportunities. At present, many Eritreans in Ethiopia work in the informal sector and this is normally tolerated by the Government, the agency noted.

UNHCR’s Addis Ababa office has found that a “good number” of Eritrean refugees plan to take advantage of the new policy, Mr. Mahecic said.
This is a good initiative by the government.

This is a good initiative by the government.

Indeed.

This is very good , "treat others the way you want to be treated,

I support this initiative too. I think they should consider it for all refugees from neighboring countries (Somalia and Sudan), provided some background check is done.

I am actually not pissed off, I don't have anything personally against Eritreans or Somalis.

I just find it extremely ironic that the two groups, that generally hates us the most (based on various Online medias, like comments on youtube, forums etc), are fleeing to our country in huge numbers, that's all.

Aint the majority of Somalis fleeing into the Somali areas of ''Ethiopia''.. We Somalis see it like this =--> Somali lands belong to all Somalis!!

Btw Thousands of Ethiopians are also fleeing to Somalia. Last year when I went to both Somaliland and Puntland I was suprised by the amount of Ethiopians that were there.. and the majority of the ethiopians I saw were actually in Haregisa (so they weren't crossing over to the middle east).
The ones in Bosaaso (Puntland) were most likely heading to the MA.

Aint the majority of Somalis fleeing into the Somali areas of ''Ethiopia''.. We Somalis see it like this =--> Somali lands belong to all Somalis!!

Btw Thousands of Ethiopians are also fleeing to Somalia. Last year when I went to both Somaliland and Puntland I was suprised by the amount of Ethiopians that were there.. and the majority of the ethiopians I saw were actually in Haregisa (so they weren't crossing over to the middle east).
The ones in Bosaaso (Puntland) were most likely heading to the MA.
Somali-Ethiopians (Ogaden region) of course doesn't count as immigrants or refugees. These reports are talking about Somali refugees from the country Somalia.

Somaliland is peaceful and many Ethiopians go there to work. Those going to Puntland (and sometimes Northern parts as well) have a desire to cross over to the Middle East.

Tribal clashes force 15,000 Lou Nuer people to flee to Ethiopia


13 Mar 2012 15:02
Source: Content partner // UNHCR

GENEVA, March 13 (UNHCR) - Some 15,000 Lou Nuer tribespeople have fled to western Ethiopia from South Sudan in recent weeks to escape clashes with a rival tribe and for fear of reprisal attacks. "Most are women, children and elderly people who fled from Akobo County in Jonglei state following clashes there earlier this year," UNHCR spokesman Adrian Edwards told journalists in Geneva on Tuesday. "Many of them say they were displaced for weeks in Jonglei before they managed to reach Ethiopia."

Lou Nuer and Murle tribespeople in Jonglei have been engaged in deadly attacks and counter-attacks over cattle, grazing land and water points for several years. Clashes between these two tribes in December and January have affected some 120,000 people in the region. Edwards said that fresh fighting between the two tribes was reported last weekend in Akobo, and he added that "UNHCR is concerned at the possibility of further forced displacement."

In Ethiopia, the new arrivals are settling around the border town of Matar in the Gambella region, some 500 kilometres west of Addis Ababa. Most of them are living in makeshift huts, according to UNHCR staff who have visited the area with partner agencies and the Ethiopian authorities. "The local communities in Matar have been sharing their meagre resources with the new arrivals, including food and water. The influx has stretched water and sanitation facilities beyond capacity," Edwards said. The World Food Programme is extending food distribution to this area to benefit everybody.

UNHCR is helping the Ethiopian authorities to set up a reception centre near Matar, where the new arrivals are being screened by the Ethiopian refugee agency (ARRA) before they are relocated to Fugnido refugee camp, some 110 kms from Gambella.

"We have so far transferred 1,300 new arrivals to the camp, where they are registered as asylum-seekers and issued with food ration cards," Edwards said, adding that UNHCR had also sent additional staff to support the government's registration efforts in Fugnido. Registration is needed to best organize the delivery of protection and assistance to the population in need.

Last week, UNHCR started distributing to families in Fugnido an initial aid kit, including tents, plastic sheets, blankets, kitchen sets and jerry cans from our stockpile in Gambella. ARRA provides them with food. UNHCR has pre-positioned more relief items, including family tents for those asylum-seekers who will be transferred from the border area to Fugnido.

Fugnido refugee camp was opened in 1993 and hosted some 40,000 refugees at one point. Before the new influx, it was home to some 23,000 refugees, mainly from Sudan. Now these long-staying refugees are hosting and extending their help to the new arrivals from South Sudan.

AlertNet (http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/tribal-clashes-force-15000-lou-nuer-people-to-flee-to-ethiopia)