Bangladesh Aviation - Part 7 [Archive]

Galive

May 16th, 2010, 06:15 PM

A parliamentary watchdog has alleged that Biman Bangladesh Airlines is not cooperating in an ongoing investigation into the flag carrier's irregularities worth $100 million.

The parliamentary standing committee on civil aviation ministry at its meeting on Sunday observed that it could not complete its investigation as the authorities refused to sponsor overseas trips of two committee members.

Civil aviation minister G M Quader, however, told the meeting that Biman management would provide all necessary documents for the parliamentary inquiry.

But, Biman was unable to foot the bill for the members' trips to London, Rome and Dubai, he said.

"We have identified irregularities in the Biman's purchase and maintenance practices. The irregularities are worth about $100 million (Tk 7 billion)," Moinuddin Khan Badal, a committee member, told reporters after the meeting.

But Biman management was reluctant to provide necessary support for the inquiry, said Badal, an MP of the left-leaning Jatiya Samajtantrik Dal.

"They don't want the irregularities to come out," he alleged.

"Neither the ministry, nor Biman has the official authority to sponsor such trips," Quader told bdnews24.com after the meeting.

He said if the parliamentary body came up with specific findings of irregularities, the ministry would take stern actions against the persons responsible.

As per the decision of the committee, Badal said, he and whip Mujibul Haq were supposed to visit Biman's overseas offices in Rome, London and Dubai.

"But the Biman management has been dilly-dallying in its response on whether it would sponsor the trips," he said.

"The managing director has been telling us that he will place the proposal for approving the cost at Biman's management board, a sovereign body."

The committee would summon the top Biman officials in future to clarify how Biman was a "sovereign" body.

The 10-strong standing committee earlier formed a five-member inquiry committee, headed by Badal, to investigate the allegations of corruption in Biman since 1990.

Source-http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=2&id=161343&hb=top

nabil02

May 16th, 2010, 06:16 PM

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to Download the form ( BD Resident) : http://www.uabdl.com/UAB-RB.pdf

Thnx

TIslam

May 16th, 2010, 07:48 PM

Thank you.

Why Ek's price is so high ?
I'm sure it is a function of demand and supply. If they can fill their seats easily, fares are going to be higher.

MohammedC

May 16th, 2010, 10:13 PM

My recent trip to Bangladesh by Biman 777-200ER. Once again big thank you to on board crew. However very disappointed with the ground crew. sometimes you think they are doing it for purpose. Anyway enjoy the video (sorry did not record the landing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1K4e1SZ6Q

Silv3r

May 16th, 2010, 11:41 PM

Singapore Airlines to run new aircraft from Dhaka
Star Business Desk
Singapore Airlines will introduce its new airbus A330-300 aircraft on its Singapore-Dhaka route from July 1, the airline said in a statement.

The twin-engine wide-bodied aircraft features the brand new incline lie-flat business class seat, laid out six abreast in a forward-facing 2-2-2 configuration, the statement added.

"The introduction of the aircraft on Singapore-Dhaka route heralds a new era of travel experience for Bangladesh. With it, our customers here will be offered yet another new level of product and service that is synonymous with the hospitality and service standards of Singapore Airlines, " said Malcolm Leong, general manager for Bangladesh of Singapore Airlines.

The airline's economy class passengers can also look forward to its latest economy class seats that are available at its B777-300ER and A380 aircraft.

The passengers will also enjoy the new KrisWorld facility, its award-winning in-flight entertainment system that let people enjoy more than a thousand on-demand audio and video options, on board the new aircraft. The facility will also let passengers use iPod, iPhone and USB port.

The airline flies daily in and out of Dhaka.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=138831

:D I just had to post this

shuvon

May 17th, 2010, 01:13 AM

^^

As I found the fair condition of Gufl Air. Earlier I shared with you all that if Biman can do this they will get more and more pax for LHR. So it will be more profitable.

If once Biman can resume the JFK route. This should be not enough for the bangladeshi live in New York or other states of USA.

So code share cab be done-----

From LHR to other city of EU/USA etc.

Yes, Image should be a problem but I hope 777-200ER and A310-300 is nice. We need good smart crew and good travel agent + online ticketing.

It is also a opportunity of Regent if they could plan for that. I am propose it to REgent very early but early thinking is better. I think they have nice plan for that.

Actually we need to develop our aviation sector. Every years foreign airliners earn thousand million dollar from Bangladesh. So if we can develop the service by the private sector as well as Biman(:)) the situation can be changed.

If Biman could do all those there wouldnt be any problem at first place. :nuts:

and i aint flying any A330-300 until they discover what happened to France and Afriqiyah airways .sorry

TIslam

May 17th, 2010, 01:21 AM

If Biman could do all those there wouldnt be any problem at first place. :nuts:

and i aint flying any A330-300 until they discover what happened to France and Afriqiyah airways .sorry
You and QGR should form a support group. :lol:

shuvon

May 17th, 2010, 02:25 AM

You and QGR should form a support group. :lol:

hehe...miya...life e jiboner mullo onek beshi...jaan gele pran firot pabo na :badnews: :nuts:

Galive

May 17th, 2010, 03:12 AM

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to Download the form ( BD Resident) : http://www.uabdl.com/UAB-RB.pdf

Thnx

I applied for that.

rinathq

May 17th, 2010, 04:39 AM

Etihad Airways' new inspired Economy Class Service

-A Monitor Report
Abu Dhabi : Etihad Airways' new Coral Economy cabin's 'Inspired Service' has now been rolled out in over 40 of the airline's 62 global routes, with the full roll-out due to be completed by the end of this month.

The implementation of Etihad's Coral Economy 'Inspired Service' follows the successful roll-out of the innovative service concept in the airline's premium cabins and as a ground service concept at its Abu Dhabi hub and in key airports across the airline's global destination network.

'Inspired Service' provides the airline's Economy Class customers with a more tailored experience, including:

-greater choice of food and beverage, including menus of up to three courses, with hot desserts and café-style hot and cold beverages;

-a more personal style of service from cabin crew members;

-larger, high-comfort pillows to assist with rest and relaxation;

-travel packs with comfort items for guests travelling on an overnight flight; and

-special support for families and children, including kids entertainment packs.

Peter Baumgartner, Etihad Airways' Chief Commercial Officer, said, "When we defined the 'Inspired Service' philosophy and designed the service delivery concepts, we listened to what our customers across all cabin classes looked for in-flight and on the ground, such as a more personalised service tailored to individual requirements, which is why this was such an important element to get right.

"Since we commenced the roll-out of 'Inspired Service' in Coral Economy class in October last year, the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive, and we are pleased to confirm that all guests travelling in the Economy cabin will be able to experience the service by the end of May."

Etihad is currently promoting 'Inspired Service' to visitors of several of the UAE's top shopping malls. Promotional activities include four of the new Coral Economy seats, interactive display units as well as games and competitions for people of all ages.

The promotion has taken place in a number of malls in Abu Dhabi and Dubai.

rinathq

May 17th, 2010, 04:40 AM

With new look, new aircraft & new aim GMG enters new era
To invest Tk.500 crore in next two years- Salman

-By Raquib Siddiqi
Dhaka : GMG Airlines, the oldest and largest private airline in the country has entered a new era with new look, new aircraft and new aim.

On May 1, the airline unveiled the new livery and inducted in the fleet a leased wide body Boeing B767-300ER aircraft adorned with it. Through induction of new look Boeing B767 in the fleet, the airline ushered in a new era with promise to extend its operation further and to provide services better.

Muhammed Faruk Khan, MP, Minister for Commerce, unveiled the new and vibrant logo at a dazzling function at the Radisson Water Garden Hotel while the 264-seat capacity B767-300ER was received at Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport earlier in the same morning.

Faruk Khan said that the government would provide all-out support to private airlines along with the national carrier Biman to boost the aviation sector of the country. He said the GMG came into operation in 1998 when the Awami League government was in power and it re-launched today when the same party is in power.

"It represents the government's commitment in encouraging private investment in the country," the Minister said.

"The strikingly vivacious colour-burst new logo represents the metamorphosis of a beautiful butterfly spreading its colourful wings with a new vibrant beginning, with resilience of its spirit, the vibrancy and dynamism of its soul and the unquenchable thirst to reach for the skies in delivering the best possible hospitality to the air travellers" it is explained.

Beximco Group Chairman Sohel F Rahman, Vice-chairman Salman F Rahman, Secretary to the Civil Aviation and Tourism Ministry Shafique Alam Mehdi, Chairman of Civil Aviation Authority Air Cdre Sakeb Iqbal Khan Majlis, and Managing Director of GMG Shahab Sattar were present on the occasion.

Senior government and company officials, editors of different dailies and members of the civil society were also present on the occasion.

Addressing the event, Salman F Rahman, Vice Chairman of Beximco Group, which owns the majority shares of the airline said that with rebranding itself, the airline would vigorously, rejuvenated itself as a major carrier in the region.

"The new logo is considered a defining milestone in the process of change, reflecting the GMG's spirit of flying," Salman said in a commitment to transform the GMG into a world-class airline with traditional Bangladeshi hospitality.

"With the re-branding, the airline would vigorously rejuvenate itself as a major carrier in the region," he said and added that the country's US$ 400 million aviation market is now dominated by foreign airlines with about 80 per cent share.

Salman, however said that the GMG would not compete with Biman, as some people may have perceived; it would complement the national carrier.

Shahab Sattar, Managing Director of the GMG Airlines, said that the new journey of the airline begins with the launching of the new logo, leaving the 12 years of the turbulent past.

"As the first private airline, we have faced a lot of challenges during the past 12 years, but have successfully overcome the challenges to move forward," he said.
Expansion plan

Receiving the new aircraft at the airport tarmac, Salman F Rahman said that the GMG was in the process of acquiring more aircraft to expand its international routes.

"We will invest about Tk 500 crore in the next two years to implement all our plans, so that GMG will be recognised as an internationally reputed carrier," Salman, the key figure behind the GMG re-launch, told an english daily.

He said the company plans to go public in the next three to four months to collect a portion of the funds needed for the planned expansion.

As part of the aggressive expansion plans, GMG will add eight large aircraft by 2011 to fly uninterrupted on the busy routes, Rahman added.

The airlines will soon fly to four popular destinations in the Middle East- Dubai, Doha, Riyadh and Jeddah -- with the newly introduced aircraft. Other Middle Eastern destinations will also be added by 2011.

The newly inducted B767-300ER with 264 (12 business class and 252 economy) seating capacity will be used for operating flights to major Middle East routes including, Riyadh, Jeddah, Doha and non-stop flights to Dubai. GMG Airlines now operates five flights a week to Dubai. It has a fleet of two MD-82 and one MD-83 aircraft for international and regional routes.

Beside the UAE, GMG now flies to six other international destinations- New Delhi, Kolkata, Kuala Lumpur, Kathmandu, Karachi and Bangkok.

GMG Airlines now has three Canadian Bombardier Dash-8 aircraft for domestic and regional routes. It connects the capital with four domestic stations- Chittagong, Cox's Bazar, Jessore and Sylhet.

GMG started operations on April 6, 1998. It was one of the first three private sector airlines that started its operation simultaneously. However, two operators - Air Parabat and Aero Bengal, could not survive the challenges and GMG was facing trouble, but hanged on.

The bailout
The airline got fresh lease of life when industrial conglomerate Beximco Group stepped into the venture last year with infusion of much needed capital. In July 2009 Beximco Ltd, a subsidiary of Beximco Group, acquired a 50 percent stake of the financially ailing GMG with Tk 70 crore -- Tk 30 crore in equities and Tk 40 in loan refinancing. GMG's financial crisis emerged in the second half of 2008 due to operating losses amid high fuel prices.

Since July 2009, GMG acquired ground-handling equipment, introduced fully automated ticket compliant reservation systems, and modernised its flight operations and engineering establishment to ensure safety.

It also hired professionals at key positions, including a chief executive officer, chief Operating Officer and Chief Commercial Officer, who have experience with different foreign airlines.

rinathq

May 17th, 2010, 04:42 AM

Batavia Air to operate Dhaka-Jakarta flights

-A Monitor Report
Dhaka : Indonesian Batavia Air plans to open flights on the Dhaka-Jakarta route within this year as there is no air connection between two Asian countries, said an Indonesian official in Dhaka recently.

As business and leisure travellers from Bangladesh to Indonesia increased much in recent years, the Indonesian private airline operator hopes that daily flight between Dhaka and Jakarta would be viable.

'Batavia Air plans to launch its flights between Dhaka and Jakarta within this year,' said Toufik Nurhidayat, head of the West and East Asian Region at the Indonesian ministry of culture and tourism.

Having 43 aircrafts, Batavia Air operates flights on 30 domestic routes in Indonesia and operates international flights to Singapore, Malaysia and East Timor.

Toufik is now visiting Dhaka to attend the Integrated Indonesia Trade Fair here being held at Sonargaon Hotel with participation of dozens of Indonesian companies dealing with automobile tires or toiletries.

He said Indonesia-bound tourists from Bangladesh increased much in recent years as many well-off Bangladeshis are having leisure and holidays in the Indonesian tourist spots, including Bali.

He said Batavia flights to and from Dhaka might have transits in Singapore as the city-state is well connected with Bangladesh.

Hendra P Iskander, the deputy at the Indonesian embassy in Dhaka, said opening a Dhaka-Jakarta air link became urgent as trade between two countries is increasing sharply.

Bangladesh's imports from Indonesia now amount more than US$600 million annually as the Indonesia has become a major source for edible palm oil, spices, timber and industrial chemicals.

But the country's exports to Indonesia are below US$20 million with only jute goods, frozen shrimp and fertilizer being the main items that find market in Indonesia.

Galive

May 17th, 2010, 06:33 AM

dude just go for EY ....... they fly to Chicago direct from Abudhabi so need only one stop :)

Actually-

EK and Dragon air price in Chicago(ORD) route is so high. above $1750.

Etihad is about $1090.

Gulf and Qatar want arround $850 in this route.

My question is EK's service is much better than Qatar or Gulf or Etihad ? Why they want almost double of the price of this three. IT is too high.

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 07:30 AM

Actually-

EK and Dragon air price in Chicago(ORD) route is so high. above $1750.

Etihad is about $1090.

Gulf and Qatar want arround $850 in this route.

My question is EK's service is much better than Qatar or Gulf or Etihad ? Why they want almost double of the price of this three. IT is too high.

Qatar is five star airline. Services might be better compared to EK and EY

EK service is getting poor from Dhaka and Dubai to North America service is better. I havent tried EY yet

EK ticket gets more expensive as the seats get filled, its called Yield Management.
All the best.

QGR

May 17th, 2010, 10:37 AM

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=138831

:D I just had to post this

This can hardly be treated as good news. I don't know why these SQ buggers are big mouthing about their A330 in the media. It's a shitty aircraft in any case compared to B777....:moods:

QGR

May 17th, 2010, 10:50 AM

Batavia Air to operate Dhaka-Jakarta flights

I hope they will not operate their A330-200 in DAC route! They have junk loads of second hand B737 classics as far as I know. But, from my experience, they are one of the better operators in Indonesia, a country not particularly known for their air safety record!

shatilislam

May 17th, 2010, 11:46 AM

an example of an African airport from a country which also has a growing economy :)

Bad comparison. Nigeria is an oil rich country and one of the leading economy in Africa, despite corruption and unrest. Better compare with countries like Togo, Mali or DR Congo....:)

unleashed_1

May 17th, 2010, 12:37 PM

I hope they will not operate their A330-200 in DAC route! They have junk loads of second hand B737 classics as far as I know. But, from my experience, they are one of the better operators in Indonesia, a country not particularly known for their air safety record!

they have a few a319 and a320's. wouldn't mind them using them...or the 737-400 or 737-300...the 200 series are way too old!

Manazir

May 17th, 2010, 12:46 PM

I hope they will not operate their A330-200 in DAC route! They have junk loads of second hand B737 classics as far as I know. But, from my experience, they are one of the better operators in Indonesia, a country not particularly known for their air safety record!

hahaha in fact i was rather hoping that they use A330-200 in this route :)

Manazir

May 17th, 2010, 12:47 PM

Bad comparison. Nigeria is an oil rich country and one of the leading economy in Africa, despite corruption and unrest. Better compare with countries like Togo, Mali or DR Congo....:)

those airports are far worse than ZIA i bet :P

TIslam

May 17th, 2010, 01:21 PM

those airports are far worse than ZIA i bet :P
Not at all. Lagos airport appears to be more modern than ZIA and has two runways. There's also a new airport at/near Abuja. Check them out. Remember, Nigeria is a much bigger country in terms of geography with less population than Bangladesh and a lot more natural resources. I believe they have the means and resources to be become middle income country but corruption is a big impediment.

Manazir

May 17th, 2010, 02:28 PM

^^
naah i was talking about Togo, Mali, Congo like shatilislam bhai mentioned

Manazir

May 17th, 2010, 02:39 PM

btw guys, just to let you know :)

Inshallah, my flight to Bangladesh shall be somewhere between 28th June - 16th July (depends on the availability of the carriers n stuff) ....... and since i havent flown EK, I would like to try it this time but the earlier possible time to fly is 28th june and im gonna stay until 15th September, which is a loong stay i guess :/

In that case, i might go for EY or QR even ........ and QGR bhai may love this part, they both serve A330 aircrafts on DAC route :)

shatilislam

May 17th, 2010, 03:06 PM

those airports are far worse than ZIA i bet :P

In 2005, I stayed in Bamako (capital of Mali) for 2.5 months for an internship in the French Embassy as a part of my training in France. In the Airport, I found that people (nearby villagers) walking inside the airport area (even through the taxiway sometime). Later I learned that they use these taxiways and other airport areas as their way for coming from and going back to their villages!!!!!!!

samaruf

May 17th, 2010, 03:41 PM

I think DR Congo is one of the largest countries in the world but has less roads than all of Dhaka. Compared to most countries of sub Saharan Africa, Bangladesh is well ahead.

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 04:31 PM

This can hardly be treated as good news. I don't know why these SQ buggers are big mouthing about their A330 in the media. It's a shitty aircraft in any case compared to B777....:moods:

Ther are improving their Product & Services. That means more Cola and :drunk: for passengers :D

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 04:33 PM

In 2005, I stayed in Bamako (capital of Mali) for 2.5 months for an internship in the French Embassy as a part of my training in France. In the Airport, I found that people (nearby villagers) walking inside the airport area (even through the taxiway sometime). Later I learned that they use these taxiways and other airport areas as their way for coming from and going back to their villages!!!!!!!

:cheers:now thats what i call freedom for spotters

TIslam

May 17th, 2010, 04:55 PM

Qatar is five star airline. Services might be better compared to EK and EY

EK service is getting poor from Dhaka and Dubai to North America service is better. I havent tried EY yet

EK ticket gets more expensive as the seats get filled, its called Yield Management.
All the best.
They all (EK, EY, QR) bill themselves as "five star" airline. Having used both EK and EY, I found the difference in service quality difficult to discern, and expect QR to be more or less to be the same.

In my observation, I found that most airlines service degrades over time, especially so when the destination is DAC. I suppose they could care less when load factor is consistently good. Why try harder when it couldn't get any better?

shuvon

May 17th, 2010, 04:56 PM

Qatar is five star airline. Services might be better compared to EK and EY

EK service is getting poor from Dhaka and Dubai to North America service is better. I havent tried EY yet

EK ticket gets more expensive as the seats get filled, its called Yield Management.
All the best.

all the airlines outbound or inbound from DAC are pretty much shit comparing to service from DXB/AUL/SIN to LHR/JFK and so on...[vice versa]

Qatar is very good no doubt. I had great service from them [excluding Gateman asking for bribe in DAC]

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 05:29 PM

They all (EK, EY, QR) bill themselves as "five star" airline. Having used both EK and EY, I found the difference in service quality difficult to discern, and expect QR to be more or less to be the same.

In my observation, I found that most airlines service degrades over time, especially so when the destination is DAC. I suppose they could care less when load factor is consistently good. Why try harder when it couldn't get any better?

all the airlines outbound or inbound from DAC are pretty much shit comparing to service from DXB/AUL/SIN to LHR/JFK and so on...[vice versa]

Qatar is very good no doubt. I had great service from them [excluding Gateman asking for bribe in DAC]

To be honest, no matter how we (bangali) behave inside an airplane but we do pay same ticket price as any other airline, its not like we are flying for free and we still get 2nd/low class citizen service. :bash:

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 05:31 PM

all the airlines outbound or inbound from DAC are pretty much shit comparing to service from DXB/AUL/SIN to LHR/JFK and so on...[vice versa]

Qatar is very good no doubt. I had great service from them [excluding Gateman asking for bribe in DAC]

No one asked me for any money inside Zia. It also matters how you are dressed. I usually dress like average/regular joe even though i am a manager. :lol:

TIslam

May 17th, 2010, 06:05 PM

To be honest, no matter how we (bangali) behave inside an airplane but we do pay same ticket price as any other airline, its not like we are flying for free and we still get 2nd/low class citizen service. :bash:
I agree, but they get away behaving and treating Bangladeshi passengers to/from DAC the way they do is because we let them. If authorities as well as the average person in Bangladesh protested and took issue, took a stand, and put them on notice, I'm sure they (the foreign airlines) would take notice and probably amend themselves.

TIslam

May 17th, 2010, 06:12 PM

Sorry, double post.

unleashed_1

May 17th, 2010, 08:31 PM

samaruf

May 17th, 2010, 08:53 PM

I agree, but they get away behaving and treating Bangladeshi passengers to/from DAC the way they do is because we let them. If authorities as well as the average person in Bangladesh protested and took issue, took a stand, and put them on notice, I'm sure they (the foreign airlines) would take notice and probably amend themselves.

I agree that we are treated like crap and since no one complains, it gives the airline the upper hand to deal with the passengers in a shoddy manner. But here's another viewpoint: our labor passengers who comprise 80% of the Gulf and SE Asian airlines' clientèle are a lot of work to deal with. Since a good majority are illiterate, they are prone to not abiding by the rules on board and hence are targets of heavy handling by the flight crew. The rub is when an otherwise educated, sober Bangladeshi passenger is also treated badly because of the perception or stereotype of Bangladeshis in general. It is at this precise moment, the passenger should take a stance and let the crew know of his displeasure.

This problem of not abiding by the rules is rampant in our society and hence our country is chaotic. Look at this link from today's Daily Star: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=139003

unleashed_1

May 17th, 2010, 08:54 PM

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/05/17/bangladeshairports-on-track-to-meet-governmentsdig.html

BIGGEST BULLSHIT, WORLD CLASS TREATMENT MY ASS!

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 10:05 PM

I agree that we are treated like crap and since no one complains, it gives the airline the upper hand to deal with the passengers in a shoddy manner. But here's another viewpoint: our labor passengers who comprise 80% of the Gulf and SE Asian airlines' clientèle are a lot of work to deal with. Since a good majority are illiterate, they are prone to not abiding by the rules on board and hence are targets of heavy handling by the flight crew. The rub is when an otherwise educated, sober Bangladeshi passenger is also treated badly because of the perception or stereotype of Bangladeshis in general. It is at this precise moment, the passenger should take a stance and let the crew know of his displeasure.

This problem of not abiding by the rules is rampant in our society and hence our country is chaotic. Look at this link from today's Daily Star: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=139003

For me it is their customer service, no matter how illiterate or sober or saint the passengers are, they need to be treated fair and equally. I personally blame the airline. Ek has lost the touch they used to have 10 to 15 years ago. We canblame their rapid expansion or cost cutting :ohno:

It is at this precise moment, the passenger should take a stance and let the crew know of his displeasure.

Errr..... Isnt it against the airline policy to raise your voice/opinion while inflight. :nuts:

finally to be honest, i would rather jaywalk than walk over those shaky overbridge. Some of them are in such a poor state that it can collapse any time.

Silv3r

May 17th, 2010, 10:08 PM

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/05/17/bangladeshairports-on-track-to-meet-governmentsdig.html

BIGGEST BULLSHIT, WORLD CLASS TREATMENT MY ASS!

i know you are upset but you can skip the bad words. :cheers:

Thanks

TIslam

May 17th, 2010, 10:33 PM

I agree that we are treated like crap and since no one complains, it gives the airline the upper hand to deal with the passengers in a shoddy manner. But here's another viewpoint: our labor passengers who comprise 80% of the Gulf and SE Asian airlines' clientèle are a lot of work to deal with. Since a good majority are illiterate, they are prone to not abiding by the rules on board and hence are targets of heavy handling by the flight crew. The rub is when an otherwise educated, sober Bangladeshi passenger is also treated badly because of the perception or stereotype of Bangladeshis in general. It is at this precise moment, the passenger should take a stance and let the crew know of his displeasure.

This problem of not abiding by the rules is rampant in our society and hence our country is chaotic. Look at this link from today's Daily Star: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=139003
Yes, I agree it cuts both ways, and yes, people from our part of the world have a natural instinct not to obey rules, not be courteous to others, etc. This is regardless of being educated or not. At the same time, I have observed that the behavior and mannerism displayed, which is often reinforced by conduct of the cabin crew of most of the foreign airlines are clearly contemptuous, and arrogant towards the "under class". To that I have to say, if you can't stand the heat don't go in the kitchen. They ought to be taught and trained to have the utmost patience, especially when it comes to dealing with simple, illiterate folks. Now if some city folk makes an ass of himself, I say, ignore him or give him hell, which ever seems appropriate.

shuvon

May 18th, 2010, 02:34 AM

No one asked me for any money inside Zia. It also matters how you are dressed. I usually dress like average/regular joe even though i am a manager. :lol:

if you havent you shouldnt complain abt ZIA then...its a regular drama at the airport....i fly around 3 times a year to DAC from LHR...and i have seen plenty of it. :)

it is true the CAAB and airline porters target ppl with "deshi boss" style..along with their luggage and confused look..

PS: Nice to know you are a manager, but I guess that doesn't stop you from wearing casual clothes as you do in your normal life or doesn't mean you always have to wear formal.

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ok. since everyone is posting against airlines, i would like to say one thing. it takes two to tango. our ppl on board have this stupid assumption that cabin crews are our servant/in-flight wife/gf . we comment on them badly at times and give them those stupid looks [including places we are not suppose to look or make comment on].. these are practical experience I have seen by flying with BG/BA/EK/QR/EY/KU/9W..

forgot those who are uneducated ppl, ppl with decent education don't know how to say sorry, please, thank you. they would even swear in Bangla...

I have a tendency of getting headache while i am flying. almost all airlines cabin crews were so helpful and tried to make me feel better in the aircraft. particularly in 3 incidents

where the BG crew forced or rather convinced me to eat and gave plenty of water, tea to make sure my headache is gone and i am fine.
QR cabin crew offered me seat in front row, food and medicine
KU cabin crew looked after me and offered me paracetamol from her personal bag/use.

moral of the story is "being polite doesn't hurt"..please, sorry, excuse me and thank you are the magic word. and our so called well educated ppl havent yet learned to use them when needed.

Galive

May 18th, 2010, 03:24 AM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/0/1/1705100.jpg

rinathq

May 18th, 2010, 03:59 AM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/0/1/1705100.jpg

Dunt like the ANA livery but 787 is just majestic.... Here she goes Airbus is finished:)

Manazir

May 18th, 2010, 06:57 AM

if you havent you shouldnt complain abt ZIA then...its a regular drama at the airport....i fly around 3 times a year to DAC from LHR...and i have seen plenty of it. :)

it is true the CAAB and airline porters target ppl with "deshi boss" style..along with their luggage and confused look..

PS: Nice to know you are a manager, but I guess that doesn't stop you from wearing casual clothes as you do in your normal life or doesn't mean you always have to wear formal.

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ok. since everyone is posting against airlines, i would like to say one thing. it takes two to tango. our ppl on board have this stupid assumption that cabin crews are our servant/in-flight wife/gf . we comment on them badly at times and give them those stupid looks [including places we are not suppose to look or make comment on].. these are practical experience I have seen by flying with BG/BA/EK/QR/EY/KU/9W..

forgot those who are uneducated ppl, ppl with decent education don't know how to say sorry, please, thank you. they would even swear in Bangla...

I have a tendency of getting headache while i am flying. almost all airlines cabin crews were so helpful and tried to make me feel better in the aircraft. particularly in 3 incidents

where the BG crew forced or rather convinced me to eat and gave plenty of water, tea to make sure my headache is gone and i am fine.
QR cabin crew offered me seat in front row, food and medicine
KU cabin crew looked after me and offered me paracetamol from her personal bag/use.

moral of the story is "being polite doesn't hurt"..please, sorry, excuse me and thank you are the magic word. and our so called well educated ppl havent yet learned to use them when needed.

Now I like that post ;)

BA7E7

May 19th, 2010, 12:35 AM

Biman Bangladesh A310-300 Landing At Heathrow Airport

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP_X42DM92c&feature=player_embedded

Galive

May 19th, 2010, 05:44 AM

Dunt like the ANA livery but 787 is just majestic.... Here she goes Airbus is finished:)

The delay is the main problem of 787. Nothing else. Qatar airways orders large number of A350 compare to 787. Airbus will not finished.

Yes A350 is not soo good as 787 but they have large capacity and mileage. Expert can say better.

In Bangladesh we are with Boeing always, not only Biman but also the private airlines also.

skystar320

May 19th, 2010, 02:25 PM

Is anyone in Malaysia that is available on Friday?

planemannyc

May 19th, 2010, 06:52 PM

Biman to take lease of two Boeing aircraft

FE Report

The state-run Biman is going to take lease two wide-bodied Boeing 777-200 aircraft as part of its desperate attempt to replace the aging DC-10-30s which are frequently facing technical troubles, top Biman official told the FE.

"We are at the stage of finalising the lease negotiation with US based Pacific Aviation & Lease Management (PALM) for the two aircraft," Chairman of Biman's Board of Director Air Marshal Jamal Uddin Ahmed (Retd) told the FE.

The twin engine aircraft can accommodate 300-350 passengers with a maximum operating range of 9,695 km. Biman Bangladesh Airlines has intended to procure the two aircraft initially on wet-lease (ACMI) at the rate of US$5800 per block hour.

"The Boeing 777-200 aircraft is suitable to operate on our Middle-Eastern and South-East Asian destinations which are traditionally Biman's prime market," Mr Jamal said.

Biman largely depends on its 300-seater age-old DC-10s to operate these two routes.

The two leased B777-200 aircraft are expected to be delivered by the end of this year, Mr Jamal added.

Three out of Bimans fleet of four DC-10-30 aircraft are in operation now intermittently while the other has been grounded for years, Biman's source said.

Biman's chairman said "It has been difficult to maintain schedule flights with the aged DC-10-30 aircraft as they have been prone to frequent technical failures in recent months."

"We need to find quick alternative to ensure our market existence in the competitive aviation industry," he said acknowledging Biman's intention to replace the old aircraft.

Aiming to ensure uninterrupted operation, Biman has already taken lease of one long-haul Boeing 777-200ER, two Boeing 737-800, one Boeing 747 and one mid-haul Airbus 310 from different leasing companies.

Burdened with its depleting fleet, Biman in 2008 signed a deal with the American aerospace giant Boeing to buy four 777-300ERs and four 787-8s aircraft valued at US$1.26 billion. Besides delivering of two B777-300ER by October 2011, the rest would be handed over in phases through 2020.

"Once all these aircraft would join, we would able to get rid of our entire trouble making aircraft from the main fleet," Mr Jamal said projecting a better performing vibrant national carrier in coming days.

The national flag carrier currently owns four McDonnell Douglas DC10-30s, four Fokker F28s and three Airbus A310-300s.

http://thefinancialexpress-bd.com/more.php?page=detail_news&news_id=100611

unleashed_1

May 19th, 2010, 08:50 PM

Manazir

May 19th, 2010, 09:37 PM

BTW guys,

anyone of you tried EK or EY's business class on DAC route?? if so, i wanna know how the service is on those classes as we might fly business class to DAC this summer :)

TIslam

May 19th, 2010, 09:50 PM

BTW guys,

anyone of you tried EK or EY's business class on DAC route?? if so, i wanna know how the service is on those classes as we might fly business class to DAC this summer :)

Very good. Can't say super.

TIslam

May 19th, 2010, 09:58 PM

Biman to take lease of two Boeing aircraft

http://thefinancialexpress-bd.com/more.php?page=detail_news&news_id=100611
Whatever happened to the second 777-200ER from Euro Atlantic? I wonder why they opted for non ERs, since pax capacity is the same? Cheaper rates perhaps? Come on Imran, give us some insights. :soon:

unleashed_1

May 19th, 2010, 10:24 PM

BTW guys,

anyone of you tried EK or EY's business class on DAC route?? if so, i wanna know how the service is on those classes as we might fly business class to DAC this summer :)

flown emirates business class on the dxb-dac route in 2009 (free upgrade dunno y but who cares LOL)
anyways the reclining seats are a beauty lol, lied down all the way to bangladesh:D the tv's are excellent and you get these reading lights and grooming kit which gives eye blinds, perfume, comb, toothpaste, aftershave and couple other things:D and the bag they give it in really nice lol. food is considerably better than economy and metal cutlery and proper plates are given. the service from the flight crew....VERY VERY GOOD very helpful and took a photo of me and the mother:D offer drinks before take off huge range of magazines and newspapers, very comfy. you can even change the inflation of the seat to change comfort lol and like me you may keep changin it and be fussy. anything else ask:) ooh and u may find ama muhith in the seats in front like i did:D no downsides. it better than flying with all the drunk shameful bastards of bengalis that got no sense of anything that fly in economy:@ if you can afford it I RECOMMEND BUSINESS ON EMIRATES but i find their food kinda crap (my taste) but hear etihad has much better food.

akbar1

May 19th, 2010, 11:38 PM

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7461/slide1es.jpg

Galive

May 20th, 2010, 05:42 AM

Whatever happened to the second 777-200ER from Euro Atlantic? I wonder why they opted for non ERs, since pax capacity is the same? Cheaper rates perhaps? Come on Imran, give us some insights. :soon:

The main things behind this is money. High lease cost of 777-200ER + pocket money of Chairman;) + basic need of 777-200 in the ME routes.

But Biman never say no to EAA as I know.

Or may be they think about One 777-200ER and two 777-200 is enough.

Then three A310-300

One DC-10

One 747-200(this is also related to pocket ;))

and Two 737-800 is enough.

Galive

May 20th, 2010, 05:49 AM

skystar320

May 20th, 2010, 10:01 AM

Clipper747

May 20th, 2010, 10:05 AM

Why in gods name would they lease 777-200 when they can get 777-200er for the same money why. And were in heavens name is the second 777-200er from EA. In six month ACMI they would pay more than $20m for the two 777-200 this people are mad. Including CS-TFM they would pay $30m + how f***ing stupid

skystar320

May 20th, 2010, 10:12 AM

you cannot get a 777-200ER for the price of a 777-200

Clipper747

May 20th, 2010, 10:30 AM

you cannot get a 777-200ER for the price of a 777-200

I wasn't talking about buying them I meant leasing them $5800 block hr. What was the rate for CS-TFM

iamkarib

May 20th, 2010, 10:53 AM

skystar320

May 20th, 2010, 04:07 PM

why dont they buy ex Delta 747-200's @ Y399 perfect

Galive

May 20th, 2010, 04:15 PM

These 777-200's are more likely to be ex United Airlines frames.

BTW, Biman went all the wrong way with aircraft selection. If they want high capacity aircraft and cheaper to the middle east why didnt they go with the B747-400 aircraft?

The 777-200's rate and 747-200's rate is same but think about their cost of fuel. The fuel will be provided by Biman. A old 777-200 will burn 3200 USGal fuel per BH but 747-200 will burn more than 4300 USGal.

But in our middle east route 777-200 with 380 capacity is best. Thing is that 777-200 is not good for LHR, Rome, Manchester, JFK.

This 777 will be from EX- China Eastern.

I think with one 777-200ER, two leased 777-200, one 747-200, two 737-800 and one a310-300.

ON an average can you imagine the cost ?

Biman gonna wild:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Galive

May 20th, 2010, 04:22 PM

Iasif Vai,

:speech:

kisu bolen.

shuvon

May 20th, 2010, 04:45 PM

Biman to take lease of two Boeing aircraft

I had a feeling from before that the DC-10 incidents were staged,because three incidents in 7 days,just to get their pockets heavy again.And I think 777-200 has more cargo space then ER and as they are planning to deploy them on the ME sector,it is a factor.

count me in. i have the same feeling....all of a sudden 3 incidents in 7 days and Biman in talk to get 2 777-200 on lease asap....given that they have failed to get the 2nd 777-200ER to EA for the last one year..

Manazir

May 20th, 2010, 06:56 PM

flown emirates business class on the dxb-dac route in 2009 (free upgrade dunno y but who cares LOL)
anyways the reclining seats are a beauty lol, lied down all the way to bangladesh:D the tv's are excellent and you get these reading lights and grooming kit which gives eye blinds, perfume, comb, toothpaste, aftershave and couple other things:D and the bag they give it in really nice lol. food is considerably better than economy and metal cutlery and proper plates are given. the service from the flight crew....VERY VERY GOOD very helpful and took a photo of me and the mother:D offer drinks before take off huge range of magazines and newspapers, very comfy. you can even change the inflation of the seat to change comfort lol and like me you may keep changin it and be fussy. anything else ask:) ooh and u may find ama muhith in the seats in front like i did:D no downsides. it better than flying with all the drunk shameful bastards of bengalis that got no sense of anything that fly in economy:@ if you can afford it I RECOMMEND BUSINESS ON EMIRATES but i find their food kinda crap (my taste) but hear etihad has much better food.

haha thanx a lot bro for those piece of info, now i just hope i can fly the J class on EK / EY :D

unleashed_1

May 20th, 2010, 08:22 PM

why dont they buy ex Delta 747-200's @ Y399 perfect

whats the point...they rejected the kuwaiti 747-200 as mentioned before...idiots and then lease one

unleashed_1

May 20th, 2010, 08:24 PM

haha thanx a lot bro for those piece of info, now i just hope i can fly the J class on EK / EY :D

no problems:) i plan to fly business again:D get window seats:D

unleashed_1

May 20th, 2010, 08:32 PM

This 777 will be from EX- China Eastern.

what you talking about mate? i did a bit of research and they never ever had any 777-200 let alone any 777's! now who actually has any ideas where they coming from? skystar has said united...any other guesses?:D

Clipper747

May 20th, 2010, 09:03 PM

what you talking about mate? i did a bit of research and they never ever had any 777-200 let alone any 777's! now who actually has any ideas where they coming from? skystar has said united...any other guesses?:D

I think galive Miah meant china southern not eastern. BTW skystar being a aviation expert you should know that the 747-200 is the most expensiv commercial aircraft to operate yet you recomend it when the 747-400 is 20-30% cheaper in direct operating cost and widely available in the market with better pax load.

skystar320

May 21st, 2010, 02:11 AM

I think galive Miah meant china southern not eastern. BTW skystar being a aviation expert you should know that the 747-200 is the most expensiv commercial aircraft to operate yet you recomend it when the 747-400 is 20-30% cheaper in direct operating cost and widely available in the market with better pax load.

Actually not the most expensive aircraft to operate. While I would recommend the 747-400 if Biman are looking for a cheap quality aircraft to purchase then the ex Delta / Northwest 742's would be perfect for the middle east runs.

Regarding 777's the ones available on the market are

China Eastern 777-200's
China Southern 777-200's [If I am correct]
United / Air India 777-200's
Egypt Air 777-200ER's

Now unfortunately those a.c of singapores have gone to Royal Brunei

Galive

May 21st, 2010, 03:32 AM

I think galive Miah meant china southern not eastern.

Yes,

and

thank you

golden_falcon

May 21st, 2010, 05:18 AM

Actually not the most expensive aircraft to operate. While I would recommend the 747-400 if Biman are looking for a cheap quality aircraft to purchase then the ex Delta / Northwest 742's would be perfect for the middle east runs.

Actually thats not true, I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion, if you check the ICAO link below you will find that the B747-200 has the highest operating cost pbh in the world @ $8,424.00.

Operating costs pbh, as per ICAO publication of 2000 (please bear in mind that fuel & other costs have since increased therefore this is simply used as an example):

B747-200 - $8,424.00
B747-400 - $6,761.00
B777-200 - $4,149.00
DC-10-30 - $5,967.00
MD11 - $4,615.00

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf

I'm not an aviation expert or a mathematician, but by my calculations I think BG has made the right decision by opting for the B777 instead of the B747.

These are my rough estimates (perhaps Imran bhai can further elaborate on these figures):

B747-200 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 452 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 8424/452 = $18.64
B747-400 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 524 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 6761/524 = $12.90
B777-200 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 400 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 4149/400 = $10.37
DC-10-30 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 250 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 5967/250 = $23.87
MD11 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 323 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 4615/323 = $14.29

Slightly off topic, skystar320 you certainly make an effort to remind us on a regular basis that you are some sort of an aviation expert, but you have never told us exactly what is your role in the aviation industry. So if you don't mind, can you please enlighten us. Thank you.

Clipper747

May 21st, 2010, 09:27 AM

^^^^^^^^
I Always wonderd how one becomes an aviation EXPERT at the age of 22. Damn I must be doing something wrong lol:nuts:

Galive

May 21st, 2010, 04:47 PM

Any news of Regent ?

Galive

May 21st, 2010, 04:53 PM

Actually thats not true, I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion, if you check the ICAO link below you will find that the B747-200 has the highest operating cost pbh in the world @ $8,424.00.

Operating costs pbh, as per ICAO publication of 2000 (please bear in mind that fuel & other costs have since increased therefore this is simply used as an example):

B747-200 - $8,424.00
B747-400 - $6,761.00
B777-200 - $4,149.00
DC-10-30 - $5,967.00
MD11 - $4,615.00

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf

I'm not an aviation expert or a mathematician, but by my calculations I think BG has made the right decision by opting for the B777 instead of the B747.

These are my rough estimates (perhaps Imran bhai can further elaborate on these figures):

B747-200 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 452 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 8424/452 = $18.64
B747-400 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 524 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 6761/524 = $12.90
B777-200 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 400 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 4149/400 = $10.37
DC-10-30 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 250 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 5967/250 = $23.87
MD11 - Ave. 2 Class pax = 323 - Ave. cost per seat pbh 4615/323 = $14.29

Slightly off topic, skystar320 you certainly make an effort to remind us on a regular basis that you are some sort of an aviation expert, but you have never told us exactly what is your role in the aviation industry. So if you don't mind, can you please enlighten us. Thank you.

(747-200 that use Biman has 545 seat.)

nice post.:)

I got some info from a Indonesian airlines ---

For say a 732 flight from Jakarta-Surabaya...
AMI Costs US1400/hr
Crew US100/hr
Fuel = 3 tons an hour * 55cents a liter.
Nav/Ldg/Pkg = US$86 per hour

The flight is about 1h15.. so it's 1.25 * (1400+100+86+1800) = 4233 USD.
At 120 seats = 35.28 USD per available seat.

BDAV

May 21st, 2010, 08:16 PM

Any news of Regent ?

Well at the time of this post their website said:

Estimated Time Remaining Before Launch: 8 Days, 4 Hours, 40 Minutes, 20 Seconds

I guess it's an impossible launch date, or it is???
Iasif any news, can you shed some light?

Manazir

May 21st, 2010, 08:54 PM

^^
might be possible :P

mash_bfa

May 21st, 2010, 11:06 PM

Manazir

May 21st, 2010, 11:30 PM

BTW they found the cause of the Afriqiyah Airways flight accident and it was 'pilot error' not A330 fault (for QGR bhai):P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriqiyah_Airways_Flight_771

TIslam

May 22nd, 2010, 12:53 AM

BTW they found the cause of the Afriqiyah Airways flight accident and it was 'pilot error' not A330 fault (for QGR bhai):P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriqiyah_Airways_Flight_771
I wonder why the pilot decided to go for a manual landing? Didn't trust the autopilot and auto-land instruments? Airfield calibration problem? Hope detailed explanation will be forth coming.

golden_falcon

May 22nd, 2010, 01:39 AM

(747-200 that use Biman has 545 seat.)

nice post.:)

I got some info from a Indonesian airlines ---

For say a 732 flight from Jakarta-Surabaya...
AMI Costs US1400/hr
Crew US100/hr
Fuel = 3 tons an hour * 55cents a liter.
Nav/Ldg/Pkg = US$86 per hour

The flight is about 1h15.. so it's 1.25 * (1400+100+86+1800) = 4233 USD.
At 120 seats = 35.28 USD per available seat.

Thanks Galive.
I am aware that BG currently have aircrafts with one class configuration, however I used an average (two class) figure.

Wow those 732's are juicy! For the life of me I cannot understand why some airlines still operate those fuel thirsty rust buckets, such as the Diesel 10 & the 732. Surely they would be more cost effective as Coke cans :nuts:

golden_falcon

May 22nd, 2010, 01:55 AM

BTW they found the cause of the Afriqiyah Airways flight accident and it was 'pilot error' not A330 fault (for QGR bhai):P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriqiyah_Airways_Flight_771

Naturally! Its always the dead pilots fault :bash: especially in certain parts of the world. Unless the US NTSB or the UK AAIB conducted this investigation, I for one do not see the true cause of the accident ever coming to light!

I wonder why the pilot decided to go for a manual landing? Didn't trust the autopilot and auto-land instruments? Airfield calibration problem? Hope detailed explanation will be forth coming.

Possibly due to the unavailability of ILS at the aerodrome.

Galive

May 22nd, 2010, 05:18 AM

Regent will start it'd journey after a week.

Nice work. the website also count the time. That shows that they are aware of time. Time is related to image. Very good thinking. Image is the main factor in aviation business.

I hope they will fly to Chittagong or Sylhet by their Q-300.

BDAV

May 22nd, 2010, 08:59 AM

whats the url to their page?? cudnt search it up..thanks

http://www.flyregent.com

Enjoy!

iamkarib

May 22nd, 2010, 09:52 AM

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Air-India-Plane-Overshoots-Runway-In-Mangalore-Southern-India-165-Feared-Dead/Article/201005415636434?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_0&lid=ARTICLE_15636434_Air_India_Plane_Overshoots_Runway_In_Mangalore_Southern_India%2C_165_Feared_Dead

iamkarib

May 22nd, 2010, 11:28 AM

Manazir

May 22nd, 2010, 12:12 PM

^^
oh God, whats happening honestly? ....... crashes every week :ohno:

Galive

May 22nd, 2010, 02:37 PM

Air India crash. Is it for inexperience pilot ?

kodbel

May 22nd, 2010, 03:53 PM

^^
oh God, whats happening honestly? ....... crashes every week :ohno:

Rapid growth in aviation bringing a negative impact on safety?? Due to low margins and huge volume, the operators may have relaxed their safety regulations(ie- lack of skilled pilots, pilot fatigue due to word load) ?

ZIA and the operators in BD should really take these incidents seriously and look into their operations.

TIslam

May 22nd, 2010, 03:54 PM

Naturally! Its always the dead pilots fault :bash: especially in certain parts of the world. Unless the US NTSB or the UK AAIB conducted this investigation, I for one do not see the true cause of the accident ever coming to light!

Possibly due to the unavailability of ILS at the aerodrome.

ILS is available from one direction but not the other (opposite). The ILS has also been reported to be unreliable (like DAC/VGZR?). I didn't know that TPI is so primitive in terms of navaid technology. I wonder where Qaddafi spent all these petrodollars? Was it the result of western economic embargo all these years?

But then, it calls into question the competency of the pilot since he attempted to land the aircraft himself and failed.

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 05:06 PM

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 05:14 PM

After more than 2 years (!) today i saw engineers got back to GMG's Dash-8 reg S2-ACT. its been in the bangladesh flying accademy hangar for more than 2 years as the academy authority restricted engineers to carry out the check because of unpaid hangar usage fees! looks like beximco's cash injection is bringing the a/c back into the airlines fleet.

totally untouched for 2yrs the a/c was coated in a thick layer of dust and birds were nesting in the wings lightening holes :lol:

cheers!

iamkarib

May 22nd, 2010, 05:22 PM

^^
oh God, whats happening honestly? ....... crashes every week :ohno:

Air India crash. Is it for inexperience pilot ?

Maybe caused by a tail wind/tire burst/wet runway,a little to early to tell,as they still haven't located the FDRs

[QUOTE=kodbel;57339655]Rapid growth in aviation bringing a negative impact on safety?? Due to low margins and huge volume, the operators may have relaxed their safety regulations(ie- lack of skilled pilots, pilot fatigue due to word load) ?

According to an AI senior captain,who was asked to comment on this incident,pilots in India are forced to work over their normal hours and it has become an industry practice.

A pic of VT-AXV,she was only 3yrs old at the time of the incident
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-India-Express/Boeing-737-8HG/1618442/L/

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 05:46 PM

Its been time since i last posted on flight training news on this forum, infact its been long since i last posted here despite browsing the thread 2-3 times a day! Aint missed a single post starting from part-1!

Anyway, the latest news in Bangladesh flight training is:

Bangladesh Flying Academy:
The club in late March aquired a new Cessna 152 reg S2-ACI, aircraft is yet to come in to training service as it still aways inspection from CAAB. BFA fleet:
2 x Cessna 152
1 x Cessna 150
1 x Piper Tomahalk PA38
1 x Cessna 182
1 x Twin engine Piper Seneca (inoperative, i doubt it will ever be operative!)

Galaxy Flying Academy
Newcomer Galaxy flying academy recently (April 2010) recieved five training a/c. the fleet consists of:
1 x Cessna 152
4 x Cessna 172
as till today, the a/c are being assembeled inside the BAF hangar adjacent to Bangladesh Flying Academy Hangar.

Youngone
Although theres not much news about this flight training division of Youngone Group other then their chief expressing his interest to open such school in Bangladesh, the group has however acquired a Cessna-152 earlier this year! the group previously acquired a Cirrus (glass cockpit) which they said will be used for flight training purpose.
They're constructing a hangar adjacent to BFA's hangar at the moment.
next to them, Square Aviation is also constructing their hangar.

seems like 2010 has already bought in a number of general aviation a/c!
together thats 3 x C152's, and 4 x C172's!

there is news that another 'yet to be named' flight school which is to operate from VGZL will also recieve its a/c in 3-4 months.

ill try and post pictures of all these newbies soon on the forum as well a pic of our Cessna 182 as it also went under a livery change! Biman, GMG parle amra parbo na keno! :nuts:

Other than that, id just like to mention, i got my PPL last early month, hopeful to get the CPL by end of year.. sobar doa kamona kori :)

cheers
mash

iamkarib

May 22nd, 2010, 05:49 PM

was going through airliners.net and cam across this picture of Biman dated back in 1980! anyone know the full story to this? enlighten me!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Malaysian-Airline-System/Boeing-737-2H6-Adv/1678546/&sid=40a4c48ad85a4087764cc67b13ed9ed2

cheers
mash

In November 1976, PIA donated AP-AWV to Biman.The Boeing 707 was presented as a gift to Bangladesh just before the start of Hajj that year to help Biman fly pilgrims to Saudi Arabia. Interestingly AP-AWV survived an act of terrorism when a bomb placed under a passenger's seat exploded at Islamabad Airport on July 5, 1975. The explosion ripped a hole in AP-AWV's fuselage. Luckily at the time of the incident the a/c was on ground after completing a flight from Karachi and there were no human casualties in this incident.
Luckily I knew the captain who was PIC during the incident at QPG,the late Capt. Zaman,his son is a very good friend of mine and after I asked him about it, he said that the co-pilot(or 2nd officer,not sure as we had this talk about 10-12yrs back) tried to snatch the controls and was trying to commit suicide or something!I'll check on that info asap and let you know :)

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 06:09 PM

In November 1976, PIA donated AP-AWV to Biman.The Boeing 707 was presented as a gift to Bangladesh just before the start of Hajj that year to help Biman fly pilgrims to Saudi Arabia. Interestingly AP-AWV survived an act of terrorism when a bomb placed under a passenger's seat exploded at Islamabad Airport on July 5, 1975. The explosion ripped a hole in AP-AWV's fuselage. Luckily at the time of the incident the a/c was on ground after completing a flight from Karachi and there were no human casualties in this incident.
Luckily I knew the captain who was PIC during the incident at QPG,the late Capt. Zaman,his son is a very good friend of mine and after I asked him about it, he said that the co-pilot(or 2nd officer,not sure as we had this talk about 10-12yrs back) tried to snatch the controls and was trying to commit suicide or something!I'll check on that info asap and let you know :)

interesting, heard about the bomb incident but not in much detail, thanks. but the caption on this picture says a different story... about an aborted takeoff at heathrow and as you see in the picture the tail is missing!

nabil02

May 22nd, 2010, 06:16 PM

Galive

May 22nd, 2010, 06:39 PM

TIslam

May 22nd, 2010, 08:26 PM

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 08:45 PM

So, you cannot get a multi-engine rating in Bangladesh? I thought all flight training schools have been relocated outside of DAC? The equipment is based in DAC? Where is VGZL?

sorry, its supposed to be VGSY. and nope, since the breakdown of the seneca multi engine rating is not available in bangladesh. Galaxy will provide ground classes here in dhaka but flight training at Rajshahi, theyve already set up facilities there. havent heard anything in BFA about relocation as till yet.

iamkarib

May 22nd, 2010, 08:46 PM

interesting, heard about the bomb incident but not in much detail, thanks. but the caption on this picture says a different story... about an aborted takeoff at heathrow and as you see in the picture the tail is missing!

I think it was at singapore,kinda curious though,how did it manage to loose its tail :lol: oh and good luck with your CPL :)

iasif

May 22nd, 2010, 09:10 PM

was going through airliners.net and cam across this picture of Biman dated back in 1980! anyone know the full story to this? enlighten me!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Malaysian-Airline-System/Boeing-737-2H6-Adv/1678546/&sid=40a4c48ad85a4087764cc67b13ed9ed2

cheers
mash

...Luckily I knew the captain who was PIC during the incident at QPG,the late Capt. Zaman,his son is a very good friend of mine and after I asked him about it, he said that the co-pilot(or 2nd officer,not sure as we had this talk about 10-12yrs back) tried to snatch the controls and was trying to commit suicide or something!I'll check on that info asap and let you know :)

That B707 lost all 4 engines on takeoff from QPG. The F/O on that flight, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman is our Director of Flight Operations at Regent. Though it was initially suspected that the Flight Engineer on that flight (Mr. Farooq, known for his addition to drugs) had deliberately cut power of the engines on takeoff, who had later committed suicide jumping off his hotel room at Singapore after all the blame came on him.

Though the real cause of the accident may not ever be known, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman told me that years later, they were taught during a training in the Netherlands, that taking off right behind a large jet may lead to the engines of the aircraft behind choking for air, which just may have been the case at QPG as a 747 had landed/departed (don't readily remember which and it is an ungodly hour to call him now!) just ahead of their 707. Surprisingly enough, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman had opined to wait for a few minutes before rolling down, which was ignored!

QGR

May 22nd, 2010, 09:12 PM

sorry, its supposed to be VGSY. and nope, since the breakdown of the seneca multi engine rating is not available in bangladesh. Galaxy will provide ground classes here in dhaka but flight training at Rajshahi, theyve already set up facilities there. havent heard anything in BFA about relocation as till yet.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. BFA's training facility is located in Dhaka or Rajshahi?

I had an idea that VGSY's terrain is not friendly for a pilot training school. Anyway, best of luck with your CPL. :cheers:

iasif

May 22nd, 2010, 09:14 PM

Well at the time of this post their website said:

Estimated Time Remaining Before Launch: 8 Days, 4 Hours, 40 Minutes, 20 Seconds

I guess it's an impossible launch date, or it is???
Iasif any news, can you shed some light?

That counter was put up by the original domain controller and will soon be replaced with the website of the airline...and no, we're not coming up in 8 days! We'll take a little more time to get up in the air (for good reasons), but however, we'll be in the news in the meantime (for the good reasons)! ;)

QGR

May 22nd, 2010, 09:28 PM

That B707 lost all 4 engines on takeoff from QPG. The F/O on that flight, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman is our Director of Flight Operations at Regent. Though it was initially suspected that the Flight Engineer on that flight (Mr. Farooq, known for his addition to drugs) had deliberately cut power of the engines on takeoff, who had later committed suicide jumping off his hotel room at Singapore after all the blame came on him.

Though the real cause of the accident may not ever be known, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman told me that years later, they were taught during a training in the Netherlands, that taking off right behind a large jet may lead to the engines of the aircraft behind choking for air, which just may have been the case at QPG as a 747 had landed/departed (don't readily remember which and it is an ungodly hour to call him now!) just ahead of their 707. Surprisingly enough, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman had opined to wait for a few minutes before rolling down, which was ignored!

I thought to avoid wake turbulence, it is mandatory to maintain a minimum time separation between take offs and/or landings. Or am I incorrect?

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 10:01 PM

That B707 lost all 4 engines on takeoff from QPG. The F/O on that flight, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman is our Director of Flight Operations at Regent. Though it was initially suspected that the Flight Engineer on that flight (Mr. Farooq, known for his addition to drugs) had deliberately cut power of the engines on takeoff, who had later committed suicide jumping off his hotel room at Singapore after all the blame came on him.

Though the real cause of the accident may not ever be known, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman told me that years later, they were taught during a training in the Netherlands, that taking off right behind a large jet may lead to the engines of the aircraft behind choking for air, which just may have been the case at QPG as a 747 had landed/departed (don't readily remember which and it is an ungodly hour to call him now!) just ahead of their 707. Surprisingly enough, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman had opined to wait for a few minutes before rolling down, which was ignored!

thanks for the info. why on earth would the flight engineer do that for! :ohno::ohno:

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 10:04 PM

That counter was put up by the original domain controller and will soon be replaced with the website of the airline...and no, we're not coming up in 8 days! We'll take a little more time to get up in the air (for good reasons), but however, we'll be in the news in the meantime (for the good reasons)! ;)

Good luck with regent! its already created great enthusiasm among the trainees at bfa! (including me :), partly because your their i feel there wont be any wrong decisions like flying an MD to london or popping out the box with a faulty 747!)

mash_bfa

May 22nd, 2010, 10:13 PM

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. BFA's training facility is located in Dhaka or Rajshahi?

I had an idea that VGSY's terrain is not friendly for a pilot training school. Anyway, best of luck with your CPL. :cheers:

BFA has always had its facilty located here in Dhaka, both ground classes and flight training are held here in Dhaka with VGZR being the training base. although we do go to rajshahi with 1-2 planes now and then for training in a traffic free environment, but this is just temporary and lasts for a week or two)

as for galaxy flying academy, their ground classes are/will be held in Dhaka (Uttara) and their flight training will be held at rajshahi airport, trainees will be sent in small batches to rajshahi for flight training. theyve set up accomodation facilities at rajshahi already.

True say, VGSY is a tough airfield, however the ILS facility is what makes it popular for training schools to want to set up their facilty at sylhet.

BDAV

May 22nd, 2010, 10:19 PM

That why I told earlier that GMG under umbrella of GOVT.

So do you mean to say that GMG have still not paid the fees and the government applied pressure on BFA to give access to the GMG engineers?

If that is the case, then doesn't sound fair :ohno:

BDAV

May 22nd, 2010, 10:37 PM

...Other than that, id just like to mention, i got my PPL last early month, hopeful to get the CPL by end of year.. sobar doa kamona kori :)...

Congratulations on getting your PPL!!! :banana:
Hope the next stages go just as well for you!

I guess you guys have a lot to look forward to in the future (once fully qualified). Looks like GMG and Regent are heading in the right direction and will have a bright future - God Bless.

As with United, I still think their making the same mistakes GMG once made, in some respect. Some people never learn! They are planning to acquire a 767 using the proceeds from the recent IPO, it's a bad idea to use all this money on 1 aircraft IMO. How on earth can they maintain ALL their flights with a sole 767 a/c?

Best Air and Royal Bengal seem to have gone and disappeared, although I have heard through grapevine that Royal Bengal may be resurrected again because they are getting too much pressure from investors.

Anyway, I pray to God that all these airlines do well and become successful, just like Qatar, Virgin, Singapore, Emirates, Etihad, etc, etc.

Most importantly - more choice = better safety, better planes and cheap fares for us!

BDAV

May 22nd, 2010, 10:45 PM

Does anyone know who TAC Aviation Ltd are in Bangladesh?
Aparently they invested 50 Crore in United to buy the Mad Dogs.

It's a coincidence that it can also be the abbreviation of:
Tasbirul Ahmed Choudhury Aviation Limited... :|

Just a thought... lol

BDAV

May 22nd, 2010, 10:53 PM

Air India Plane Overshoots Runway: 158 Dead

May all the dead R.I.P. and all the injured recover fast.

iamkarib

May 22nd, 2010, 11:27 PM

Though the real cause of the accident may not ever be known, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman told me that years later, they were taught during a training in the Netherlands, that taking off right behind a large jet may lead to the engines of the aircraft behind choking for air, which just may have been the case at QPG as a 747 had landed/departed (don't readily remember which and it is an ungodly hour to call him now!) just ahead of their 707. Surprisingly enough, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman had opined to wait for a few minutes before rolling down, which was ignored!

thanks for that Mr. Imran, somehow managed to get the names confused I guess :nuts: I think I still have some paper-cuttings of that incident,which made headlines in both singapore and bangladesh, bdy,meaning to ask you a long time, do you have some info on the DC-10 overrun incident at VGZR back in 95-96?Wasnt in bd then,and almost in the dark about it :)

TIslam

May 23rd, 2010, 12:59 AM

That B707 lost all 4 engines on takeoff from QPG. The F/O on that flight, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman is our Director of Flight Operations at Regent. Though it was initially suspected that the Flight Engineer on that flight (Mr. Farooq, known for his addition to drugs) had deliberately cut power of the engines on takeoff, who had later committed suicide jumping off his hotel room at Singapore after all the blame came on him.

Though the real cause of the accident may not ever be known, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman told me that years later, they were taught during a training in the Netherlands, that taking off right behind a large jet may lead to the engines of the aircraft behind choking for air, which just may have been the case at QPG as a 747 had landed/departed (don't readily remember which and it is an ungodly hour to call him now!) just ahead of their 707. Surprisingly enough, Capt. Alim Uz Zaman had opined to wait for a few minutes before rolling down, which was ignored!

I vaguely recall having heard about this incident because the F/E was the brother of my eldest sister's friend (classmate). What was the time frame (year)? It was supposedly rumored that he was actually thrown from his hotel room as opposed to him committing suicide, in an apparent cover up of the real cause of the accident.

TIslam

May 23rd, 2010, 01:02 AM

I thought to avoid wake turbulence, it is mandatory to maintain a minimum time separation between take offs and/or landings. Or am I incorrect?
I'm pretty sure there is (such regulation). Perhaps it didn't exist back then?

TIslam

May 23rd, 2010, 01:09 AM

That counter was put up by the original domain controller and will soon be replaced with the website of the airline...and no, we're not coming up in 8 days! We'll take a little more time to get up in the air (for good reasons), but however, we'll be in the news in the meantime (for the good reasons)! ;)
Does Regent Air have an (in house) IT department, or at least one tech savvy (in IT) employee who knows computers, internet, and such, very well? If it doesn't, I hope it will.

unleashed_1

May 23rd, 2010, 01:17 AM

any pics? haven't had any pics or videos in a while

unleashed_1

May 23rd, 2010, 01:37 AM

Clipper747

May 23rd, 2010, 05:04 AM

does any remember flying to osmani back in the late 90's early 2000's and seeing people on the side of runway watching the plane land within the airfield? does this still happen seen this back in '98. kinda amusin lol some intl. airport it was/is LOL

has anyone seen this at any other airport within bangladesh and does it still happen? and has anyone got pics of this:D?

Yes the good old days. I remember back in 1998 I walked the full length of the runway just before a Bimans BAE ATP took off and stood at the western end of the runway were the aircraft turns around. I did stand there as the ATP came to turn around the captain of the aircraft gave me a wave as they turned and I was taking pictures. I can possibly find them pictures if I look.

Now days you can't I went in April this year and found a great big white wall that goes around the entire airport. But there is a small hill at the east end off the runway were you get a good view of the airport. I did film S2-AFT taking off from there will put that up on YouTube on Monday or Tuesday

golden_falcon

May 23rd, 2010, 05:22 AM

ILS is available from one direction but not the other (opposite). The ILS has also been reported to be unreliable (like DAC/VGZR?). I didn't know that TPI is so primitive in terms of navaid technology. I wonder where Qaddafi spent all these petrodollars? Was it the result of western economic embargo all these years?

But then, it calls into question the competency of the pilot since he attempted to land the aircraft himself and failed.

Thank you for the info Islam bhai.

golden_falcon

May 23rd, 2010, 05:47 AM

does any remember flying to osmani back in the late 90's early 2000's and seeing people on the side of runway watching the plane land within the airfield? does this still happen seen this back in '98. kinda amusin lol some intl. airport it was/is LOL

has anyone seen this at any other airport within bangladesh and does it still happen? and has anyone got pics of this:D?

Yes the good old days. I remember back in 1998 I walked the full length of the runway just before a Bimans BAE ATP took off and stood at the western end of the runway were the aircraft turns around. I did stand there as the ATP came to turn around the captain of the aircraft gave me a wave as they turned and I was taking pictures. I can possibly find them pictures if I look.

Damn! I can't find those photos.
Back in 1998 during a visit to BD I taught both my brothers to drive (one of them being clipper747) and on more than one occasion I took them onto the runway at VGSY. There was a little hut at one end of the runway with a armed guard who always allowed us to go on the runway in exchange for a cigarette or a bottle of soft drink. But I don't think VGSY was an International Airport back then.
I miss those days.
unleashed_1 I will definitely try and post those photos for you, if & when I find them. I also had a video clip of a BG F28 landing and taking off, which I shot from the end of the runway, if I find that I'll put it on youtube.

akbar1

May 23rd, 2010, 05:47 AM

Manazir

May 23rd, 2010, 07:43 AM

any pics? haven't had any pics or videos in a while

I guess you will have to wait till July then, thats when i go to BD Inshallah ;)

shatilislam

May 23rd, 2010, 12:21 PM

May all the dead R.I.P. and all the injured recover fast.

Very sad incident. very sad.....

In a separate note, this time a NG boeing......not only airbuses are 'unsafe' as some of us here have been trying to establish

Manazir

May 23rd, 2010, 12:52 PM

^^
A330 had 13 accidents of which 3 of them were hull-loss accidents with fatalities.
A340 had like 5 accidents and all of them were hull-loss, without any fatalities though.
B777 had 7 accidents of which 1 of them were hull-loss, without any fatalities (BA one at LHR).
However, B737 had 295 accidents so far and 145 of them were hull-loss accidents, resulting in over 4,000 fatalities

unleashed_1

May 23rd, 2010, 03:09 PM

Damn! I can't find those photos.
Back in 1998 during a visit to BD I taught both my brothers to drive (one of them being clipper747) and on more than one occasion I took them onto the runway at VGSY. There was a little hut at one end of the runway with a armed guard who always allowed us to go on the runway in exchange for a cigarette or a bottle of soft drink. But I don't think VGSY was an International Airport back then.
I miss those days.
unleashed_1 I will definitely try and post those photos for you, if & when I find them. I also had a video clip of a BG F28 landing and taking off, which I shot from the end of the runway, if I find that I'll put it on youtube.

damn im well jelous:ohno: i was a lil kid then:( i would love to drive on a runway:D is clipper747 your bro? damn i woulda paid that guard takas man for suttin like dat:D yeah that would be good seeing them videos...especially with the peoples there:D nostaligia! clipper747 please do:) which part of sylhet you from?

unleashed_1

May 23rd, 2010, 03:11 PM

I guess you will have to wait till July then, thats when i go to BD Inshallah ;)

ill be happy to wait:)

Clipper747

May 23rd, 2010, 03:31 PM

damn im well jelous:ohno: i was a lil kid then:( i would love to drive on a runway:D is clipper747 your bro? damn i woulda paid that guard takas man for suttin like dat:D yeah that would be good seeing them videos...especially with the peoples there:D nostaligia! clipper747 please do:) which part of sylhet you from?

Hi bro well to answer ur question i'll give you a hint if you know sylhety lingo u will figur it out

I'm a goru sur by night and a goru fikar by day. Let me know how you get on. BTW were are you from bro

TIslam

May 23rd, 2010, 04:22 PM

Very sad incident. very sad.....

In a separate note, this time a NG boeing......not only airbuses are 'unsafe' as some of us here have been trying to establish
I doubt whether the aircraft in both the (recent) disasters were to blame. IXE/VOML has no ILS. IX812 touched down short while 8U-771 landed long. It has been reported that the pilot of 8U-771 switched off autopilot (auto-land, I suppose) since the ILS at TIP/HLLT has been deemed unreliable. I would venture a guess that in both instances the captains miscalculated their touchdown distance.

Manazir

May 23rd, 2010, 08:21 PM

^^
yeah i guess this was also due to pilot error

unleashed_1

May 23rd, 2010, 10:36 PM

Hi bro well to answer ur question i'll give you a hint if you know sylhety lingo u will figur it out

I'm a goru sur by night and a goru fikar by day. Let me know how you get on. BTW were are you from bro

lol^^ errm im not that old and been bdesh couple times so like ill take a guess. i know cow markets is golabazaar so i guess them sides...i think the thaana is bishnaath. so my answer is gola bazaar:D im from jagantpur area:)

samaruf

May 24th, 2010, 01:36 AM

...Back in 1998 during a visit to BD I taught both my brothers to drive (one of them being clipper747) and on more than one occasion I took them onto the runway at VGSY....

Are you and clipper747 blood brothers?

golden_falcon

May 24th, 2010, 02:54 AM

Are you and clipper747 blood brothers?

Indeed we are.
Blood & acid! lol :nuts:
Although clipper747 is as useful as a chocolate fireguard :lol: he is my little brother.

samaruf

May 24th, 2010, 04:53 AM

I just now got an email from a local Bangladeshi physician friend that a survivor on Air India Express, Ms Sabrina Nasrin Huq , is a Bangladeshi. She went to visit her parents in Al Ain, UAE and was returning to join her classes in Bangalore. Her father, Dr. Mahbub Huq, is an alumni of Chittagong Medical and is friends with our doctor friend.

This is indeed a great news for the girl's family who must have been in total shock when they first heard the news of the crash. I wonder why the Indian and foreign media reported that all passengers were Indian nationals. I doubt Dr. Mahbub or his daughter have taken up Indian citizenship.

May Allah provide speedy recovery for the survivors and for the dead, Inna Lillah wa Inna Ilaihi Rajiun.

skystar320

May 24th, 2010, 05:45 AM

Slightly off topic, skystar320 you certainly make an effort to remind us on a regular basis that you are some sort of an aviation expert, but you have never told us exactly what is your role in the aviation industry. So if you don't mind, can you please enlighten us. Thank you.

Do I? I've just posted the information required for board members to gain a better understand aviation. I wouldnt go as far as label me as an expert far from it, Aviation Changes daily!

I go as an "Aviation Consultant" which ranges from anything such as acquiring additional aircraft to route analysis etc.

Manazir

May 24th, 2010, 07:11 AM

Indeed we are.
Blood & acid! lol :nuts:
Although clipper747 is as useful as a chocolate fireguard :lol: he is my little brother.

hey i didnt know that :)

Galive

May 25th, 2010, 07:16 AM

any news or pic of GMG's new 767 ?

Manazir

May 25th, 2010, 07:45 AM

this thread seems to be dead, once again :ohno:

Galive

May 25th, 2010, 04:28 PM

this thread seems to be dead, once again :ohno:

we have lots of topic but no one wanna discuss. I think with old logo of Biman every one's spirit has gone.:lol:

unleashed_1

May 25th, 2010, 10:46 PM

clipper 747 wheres the video u said u were going to upload? and yeah it has gone dead.

guys check my pics i created a month ago but didn't know how to upload them:( tell me what you think its basic paint job and no fancy work.

[URL=http://img91.imageshack.us/i/67203205.jpg/]
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5323/67203205.jpg

What a biman Jetstream 31 would look like in new livery with my added livery. these would have different
livery to show they are domestic aircraft only and show our national pride:D

[URL=http://img256.imageshack.us/i/87102192.jpg/]
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8360/87102192.jpg
What a domestic livery GMG airlines Beech 1900D would look like

shuvon

May 26th, 2010, 01:31 AM

Galive

May 26th, 2010, 02:27 AM

sandman22

May 26th, 2010, 04:12 AM

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Biman-Bangladesh-(Euro/Boeing-777-212-ER/1709818/L/&sid=72bfad4560f272b08e29207a043ec7b2

whats the bird doing in rome?

skystar320

May 26th, 2010, 05:06 AM

unleased, the first picture isnt that showing a B1900C? The J31/32 is a real stubby aircraft

skystar320

May 26th, 2010, 05:08 AM

should biman or gmg or any other airline fly those..i wouldn't be just bother to fly with them..no matter how good jetstream or beech may sound in terms of economy, no commercial pax would fly such aircraft...and thats probably one of the reason Regent owners has rejected such idea...dash is a minimum an commercial airline could go for.

Why not? The can still operate the Dash on the main trunk routes, but you can also use the small 19seater aircraft as a feeder aircraft to your main trunk route or those of international services!

TIslam

May 26th, 2010, 05:09 AM

should biman or gmg or any other airline fly those..i wouldn't be just bother to fly with them..no matter how good jetstream or beech may sound in terms of economy, no commercial pax would fly such aircraft...and thats probably one of the reason Regent owners has rejected such idea...dash is a minimum an commercial airline could go for.
Most people who fly on a regular basis and primarily for business, aren't so discriminating as to the type of equipment used by an airline. On the other end of the spectrum is the idea of "best fit" i.e. what is cost effective for an airline. Hence the wide choice of aircraft as segmented by market, from large jets, to 20 seat commuter.

iasif

May 26th, 2010, 05:29 AM

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Biman-Bangladesh-(Euro/Boeing-777-212-ER/1709818/L/&sid=72bfad4560f272b08e29207a043ec7b2

whats the bird doing in rome?

Operating a schedule flight! :)

As currently detailed by Biman, EAA operates the 777 to London Heathrow, Rome Fiumicino, and Kuala Lumpur.

Galive

May 26th, 2010, 07:31 AM

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Biman-Bangladesh-(Euro/Boeing-777-212-ER/1709818/L/&sid=72bfad4560f272b08e29207a043ec7b2

whats the bird doing in rome?

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/1/8/1709818.jpg

this is the pic

Manazir

May 26th, 2010, 08:20 AM

Operating a schedule flight! :)

As currently detailed by Biman, EAA operates the 777 to London Heathrow, Rome Fiumicino, and Kuala Lumpur.

and yet, they can manage on time schedules? :nuts:

iasif bhai, i sent u a pm earlier, quite important! :)

iasif

May 26th, 2010, 01:58 PM

and yet, they can manage on time schedules? :nuts:

Yep! Been the most reliable of all of Biman's aircraft since February 2010!

Manazir

May 26th, 2010, 02:39 PM

^^
hmm sounds good, so lets hope after receiving 2x B777-200 this year and 2x B777-300ER next year, BG can be in a better state :)

Galive

May 26th, 2010, 05:01 PM

^^
hmm sounds good, so lets hope after receiving 2x B777-200 this year and 2x B777-300ER next year, BG can be in a better state :)

Yes, the service of 777-200ER is really good. No one has complain. Biman should take the delivery of second 777-200ER.

As Iasif vai told, the second one have more better engine.

Manazir

May 26th, 2010, 05:22 PM

^^
I do hope BG takes the second B777-200ER into consideration, then Inshallah by the end of 2011, we can have 6x B777s in our fleet :)

iamkarib

May 26th, 2010, 05:56 PM

Augsburg Airways, Mr. Imran?Congrats!!!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa-Regional-%28Augsburg/De-Havilland-Canada/1642175/L/&sid=82030b95596697f4873d7d0c3dea2813

Manazir

May 26th, 2010, 07:00 PM

^^
er, i dont get what u mean :nuts:

iamkarib

May 26th, 2010, 08:16 PM

^^
er, i dont get what u mean :nuts:

Regent might have gotten two ex-Augsburg airways D83s,still waiting for the sweets though :)

psychosys786

May 26th, 2010, 08:55 PM

Salam to everyone on this forum.
This is my first post.
First of all I would like to say this is a fantastic forum which I have been silently reading for the past year.

One question are Beiman Bangladesh airlines still operating 2 747's?

Thanks

Manazir

May 26th, 2010, 10:01 PM

QGR

May 26th, 2010, 10:44 PM

^^
walaikum salam brother , please do take time to introduce yourself in the introduction thread :)

hahah yes BEIMAN Bangladesh still has those 2x leased B747s :D

please do enjoy urself here and hope u can keep contributing to the forum :)

PS: nice avatar there xD

Really? Why on earth BG is going for another 747 for Hajj operation? I am not really keeping up with BG these days, but I think they have one (Kabo), and with the state of their Diesel 10s, BG decided to go for another 747. Even a month back, BG confirmed the HAAB (Hajj Agencies Association of Bangladesh) that their existing fleet is adequate to support hajj operation.

http://www.biman-airlines.com/upload/Uploads/hajj3.pdf

sandman22

May 27th, 2010, 01:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJs1CHBNxjI

Looks so much better

skystar320

May 27th, 2010, 02:29 AM

Regent might have gotten two ex-Augsburg airways D83s,still waiting for the sweets though :)

It was widly reported that Regent was inline to purchase ex Lufthansa Regional Aircraft, Imran even mentioned it that he was suprised I knew!

skystar320

May 27th, 2010, 02:32 AM

Really? Why on earth BG is going for another 747 for Hajj operation? I am not really keeping up with BG these days, but I think they have one (Kabo), and with the state of their Diesel 10s, BG decided to go for another 747. Even a month back, BG confirmed the HAAB (Hajj Agencies Association of Bangladesh) that their existing fleet is adequate to support hajj operation.

http://www.biman-airlines.com/upload/Uploads/hajj3.pdf

Well, when you think that Biman are thinking they are going to carry an extra 15-18,000 passengers they will not have the adequate fleet to carry all these people.

its common practice among airlines all over the world who transport HAJJ, even Saudi Airlines brings in a couple of aircraft each year to cope with the demand!

Manazir

May 27th, 2010, 05:52 AM

^^
I wonder doesnt EK, EY or QR provide hajj flights? :)

Silv3r

May 27th, 2010, 04:32 PM

^^
I wonder doesnt EK, EY or QR provide hajj flights? :)

I can think of it this way.

Hajj flights are flat rate and subsidize by the BD government. EK EY or QR all of these airline operate of on Yeild Management. :cheers:

It better for the government to run the show.

Silv3r

May 27th, 2010, 04:37 PM

Most people who fly on a regular basis and primarily for business, aren't so discriminating as to the type of equipment used by an airline. On the other end of the spectrum is the idea of "best fit" i.e. what is cost effective for an airline. Hence the wide choice of aircraft as segmented by market, from large jets, to 20 seat commuter.

I wouldnt even fly on Dash 8-100/300 unless i have to, forget about 20 seaters. However i do prefer CRJ 100/200 series for the same capacity as Dash 8-100/200.

Silv3r

May 27th, 2010, 04:41 PM

Yep! Been the most reliable of all of Biman's aircraft since February 2010!

Asif Bhai. CEO or CFO position at Regent still available? if yes, what are the requirments.

Silv3r

May 27th, 2010, 04:43 PM

TIslam

May 27th, 2010, 07:07 PM

I wouldnt even fly on Dash 8-100/300 unless i have to, forget about 20 seaters. However i do prefer CRJ 100/200 series for the same capacity as Dash 8-100/200.
Never say never.

Silv3r

May 27th, 2010, 08:08 PM

Never say never.

Acutally i did use Dash 8-100 two weeks ago.

Few things i didnt enjoy
* Not enough room on overhead bin
* Noisey
* Not enough Seat width

QGR

May 27th, 2010, 08:36 PM

Well, when you think that Biman are thinking they are going to carry an extra 15-18,000 passengers they will not have the adequate fleet to carry all these people.

its common practice among airlines all over the world who transport HAJJ, even Saudi Airlines brings in a couple of aircraft each year to cope with the demand!

The number will be around 35,000 this year. BG has history of managing the hajj operation with it's own fleet without adding any temporary aircraft. But off course not the best way to do that with unreliable Diesel 10s.

It would have been a different scenario if BG received the second 777-200ER by now. I believe with 3x Airbus, a couple of B772, the lone B742 plus the loads of DC 10s BG could have done without a short term lease for Hajj Operations this year.

What I have heard, BG may soon go for another tender for additional B772s to say a final goodbye to DC 10s.

Manazir

May 27th, 2010, 09:12 PM

^^
so that means they want more than 2x B777-200s now?

unleashed_1

May 27th, 2010, 09:52 PM

Two logo in same aircraft ? :lol:
LOL sorry was being be lazy and couldn't be bothered to be creative:D and i was using paint which makes it complicated to edit!

unleased, the first picture isnt that showing a B1900C? The J31/32 is a real stubby aircraft nope it is a jetstream 31 i googled it:)

Why not? The can still operate the Dash on the main trunk routes, but you can also use the small 19seater aircraft as a feeder aircraft to your main trunk route or those of international services!

yeah what he said lol^^

TIslam

May 27th, 2010, 09:55 PM

Acutally i did use Dash 8-100 two weeks ago.

Few things i didnt enjoy
* Not enough room on overhead bin
* Noisey
* Not enough Seat width

Well the CRJs/ERJs aren't any improvement for those complaints, save for being jets. Few years ago, we turned home (DTW) from DAC by EK/CO via EWR on a CRJ. The CRJ being completely full (with pax), they had to leave many of our (the passengers) baggage behind (delivered next day). The cargo hold wasn't large enough.

unleashed_1

May 27th, 2010, 10:04 PM

Well the CRJs/ERJs aren't any improvement for those complaints, save for being jets. Few years ago, we turned home (DTW) from DAC by EK/CO via EWR on a CRJ. The CRJ being completely full (with pax), they had to leave many of our (the passengers) baggage behind (delivered next day). The cargo hold wasn't large enough.

my arguement here is why is some people anti small turboprops? bg should use these aircraft on airports like rajshahi, saidpur, jessore, khulna etc. these airports require smaller aircraft as we have established have too less passengers for 40-50 seaters to be viable. the problem here is bdeshi pax tend to have loads of luggage so what aircraft would be very good for these small airport with good luggage capabilities?

unleashed_1

May 27th, 2010, 11:46 PM

^^
I wonder doesnt EK, EY or QR provide hajj flights? :)

i would have thought cause they make you go via dubai/doha/abu dhabi...which everyone finds long and tiresome...and then change planes....when you can take saudia or beiman and go direct...i know i who i would take:)

Silv3r

May 28th, 2010, 04:18 AM

Manazir

May 28th, 2010, 09:24 AM

TIslam

May 28th, 2010, 02:08 PM

correct me if i am wrong.. Few years ago, was it two check in bags with 70lbs each?
Yes, but CO had already begun to charge for checked baggage. We (a few of us on that flight) were exempt since we were terminating from an international flight. Even now, most US carriers appear to be courteous/kind enough to exempt passengers from the baggage fees even when using separate flight coupons/tickets, as long as the final destination is international. Last December we used EY to fly to DAC from JFK, but our connection from DTW was DL (NW) which was a separate ticket. DL waived the checked baggage fees all six pieces.

Galive

May 29th, 2010, 03:05 AM

The number will be around 35,000 this year. BG has history of managing the hajj operation with it's own fleet without adding any temporary aircraft. But off course not the best way to do that with unreliable Diesel 10s.

It would have been a different scenario if BG received the second 777-200ER by now. I believe with 3x Airbus, a couple of B772, the lone B742 plus the loads of DC 10s BG could have done without a short term lease for Hajj Operations this year.

What I have heard, BG may soon go for another tender for additional B772s to say a final goodbye to DC 10s.

DC-10 need to remove from fleet. Within three one DC-10 is good. but the rests has no faith. But thing is that DC-10 gives Biman a long time service. May be since 1980. Am I right ?

if Biman got 777-300ER they will use it at least 25 years. 2011-2026. :nuts:

Galive

May 29th, 2010, 03:06 AM

Galive

May 29th, 2010, 03:08 AM

^^
I wonder doesnt EK, EY or QR provide hajj flights? :)

May be they have no permission to take any Hajj pax. Only Saudi and Biman will do this. This may be an agreement between KSA and DAC.

sandman22

May 29th, 2010, 03:59 AM

Isnt this what biman 777-200ER economy class looks like ? i think its a exact match.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/4/3/1711341.jpg

shuvon

May 29th, 2010, 04:12 AM

jetstreams are small aircraft that doesnt suit our market. and there are hardly any proff that domestic bd aviation mostly used by businessmen. nope.that specific market is not there yet. ppl always get freaked out when they hear they are going to fly dash8, f28. let alone jetstream or small aircrafts. airlines dont use 20 seater planes because it good for commercial flights but rather 20 seaters have specific target audience which is not currently visible in bd aviation plus lots of other issues and stretegic business reasons. pax and luggage factor rules. period.

btw i was suppose to fly back home for a week but had to cancel it coz of work. anyway when i checked the price of the return ticket on economy for Biman's LHR-ZYL (B772) is around £725-£755 on 11th July. peak time i know but a bit too much for economy. although i heard seats are getting filled up.it shows with good AC Biman is as good as anybody.

Manazir

May 29th, 2010, 08:12 AM

more Star Alliance in DAC. nice.

yeah but i am thinking which aircraft might TK use in DAC route! AFAIK, they use B737 on IST-KHI so wondering if they can continue that small plane all the way to DAC :P ...... or i wish they use A330 :)

AirBangla

May 29th, 2010, 08:16 PM

Acutally i did use Dash 8-100 two weeks ago.

Few things i didnt enjoy
* Not enough room on overhead bin
* Noisey
* Not enough Seat width

Why would you be needing so much leg room on a 30-45 minute ride? Considering average loads of 60%, you could spread yourself over two seats in a dash-8 and also use the extra seats to place your hand luggage if the overheads arent big enough.

Your comment does make me think though of the possibily of converting one dash-8 in an airline with 2 dash-8's to host fewer passenger with more leg room for them!

Manazir

May 29th, 2010, 08:25 PM

Silv3r

May 29th, 2010, 09:00 PM

Why would you be needing so much leg room on a 30-45 minute ride? Considering average loads of 60%, you could spread yourself over two seats in a dash-8 and also use the extra seats to place your hand luggage if the overheads arent big enough.

Your comment does make me think though of the possibily of converting one dash-8 in an airline with 2 dash-8's to host fewer passenger with more leg room for them!

Just to add more info.

I had carry-on that fit perfectly inside A330 and didnt fit inside Dash-8 cabin and there isnt enough room under the seat either. I had only one carry on with my laptop, documents and a jacket.

Flight was 1H 45mins long and load factor was 100%.

Do i need to explain more?

Silv3r

May 29th, 2010, 09:06 PM

Yes, but CO had already begun to charge for checked baggage. We (a few of us on that flight) were exempt since we were terminating from an international flight. Even now, most US carriers appear to be courteous/kind enough to exempt passengers from the baggage fees even when using separate flight coupons/tickets, as long as the final destination is international. Last December we used EY to fly to DAC from JFK, but our connection from DTW was DL (NW) which was a separate ticket. DL waived the checked baggage fees all six pieces.

Thats nice. In Canada they still follow two check-in bags with 50lbs each plus two carry on free. Air Canada did try to charge for check in bags but failed due to competition from Westjet

Silv3r

May 29th, 2010, 09:10 PM

yeah but i am thinking which aircraft might TK use in DAC route! AFAIK, they use B737 on IST-KHI so wondering if they can continue that small plane all the way to DAC :P ...... or i wish they use A330 :)

737 can make it to Dhaka :lol: now the question will be if they can provide better connection to Europe and North American passengers.

Manazir

May 29th, 2010, 09:32 PM

^^
i still wish they use A330, i dont wanna fly a tiny plane all the way from Istanbul to DAC man :PP .......

TIslam

May 29th, 2010, 11:19 PM

^^
i still wish they use A330, i dont wanna fly a tiny plane all the way from Istanbul to DAC man :PP .......
737-800/900 tiny?

Manazir

May 29th, 2010, 11:29 PM

^^
its a narrow-body plane, and i dont like those :P

Silv3r

May 30th, 2010, 12:03 AM

^^
its a narrow-body plane, and i dont like those :P

737-900 can carry 200+ in single class.... :bash:

TIslam

May 30th, 2010, 12:06 AM

^^
its a narrow-body plane, and i dont like those :P
You'd be outta luck if you traveled within continental Europe and/or North America.

hellseher

May 30th, 2010, 12:17 AM

According to the following two pages, Turkish Airlines will start DAC operations from December 2010, flying via Karachi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_destinations
http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/news/announcements/announcement.aspx?aid=4995 (in Turkish language)

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/05/17/342024/turkish-airlines-to-take-a330-200f-test-aircraft.html

Turkish Airlines to take A330-200F test aircraft
By Brendan Sobie
17/05/10
Airbus will hand its A330-200F flight test aircraft to Turkish Airlines later this year.

Turkish Airlines, last November, placed an order for two A330-200Fs to be delivered in late 2011. The carrier's CEO, Temel Kotil, reveals to ATI that "one of them is the testing aircraft".

Airbus certified the A330-200F in April following a 200hr flight test programme which began last November. ATI reported after first flight that Airbus was planning to rework the A330-200F test aircraft - MSN 1004 - for a customer after the testing programme was complete.

The first production A330-200F is scheduled to be delivered in August to Etihad Airways.

Kotil says Turkish expects to receive its two A330-200Fs in September and October. He says that when Airbus offered the test aircraft, at a discount, the carrier accepted because it believed it was equivalent to the production aircraft.

"It's cheaper. It's a good machine. The A330 is an established aircraft," Kotil told ATI during a Star Alliance event in Sao Paulo.

He adds that, for cargo operations in particular, taking a test aircraft "is not a big deal".

Kotil says Turkish plans to operate its A330-200F on cargo services to Asia, in particular China. According to Flightglobal's ACAS database, Turkish's freighter fleet currently consists of four Airbus A310-300Fs.

Kotil says Turkish will also take delivery in October of the first of 10 new A330-300 passenger aircraft the carrier ordered last year. He says the carrier will receive four A330-300s in the fourth quarter alone and subsequently additional aircraft will be delivered at a rate of about one per month.

Turkish plans to use new A330-300s to open new services to Dhaka in Bangladesh and Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam. Turkish first indicated late last year that Dhaka and Ho Chi Minh were among several new destinations it was planning to launch in 2010.

Kotil says some of the four new A330-300s to be delivered in the fourth quarter of this year will also be used to increase frequencies in several Asian markets including Osaka and Seoul.

shuvon

May 30th, 2010, 02:08 AM

has anyone seen the new biman ad.i guess first ad after a million year

Galive

May 30th, 2010, 02:18 AM

yeah but i am thinking which aircraft might TK use in DAC route! AFAIK, they use B737 on IST-KHI so wondering if they can continue that small plane all the way to DAC :P ...... or i wish they use A330 :)

I think they will use 330 for taking the pax of ameriaca, Frankfurt, Paris etc.
THis is good that then we will get another options for these cities. EK's fairis too much high.

In the north america EK and Cathay's fair is much more higher than Etihad, Gulf, Qatar.

Lowest fair is on Jet airways for North Ameriaca. So if Turkish Air come it will better.

Galive

May 30th, 2010, 02:20 AM

has anyone seen the new biman ad.i guess first ad after a million year

If it is on News paper then it is not rare, I saw it on DailyStar several times. But in TV it is really rare.

Galive

May 30th, 2010, 02:27 AM

guys, i had this thought which i would like to express here :)

say, if BG gets all the aircrafts they plan to get by end of next year (2011), we would have x13 aircrafts total in fleet (after kicking out the DC-10s even) and with those 13 aircrafts, we can operate to atleast 35 destinations worldwide and this is how it can be done :

2x B737-800 : Kathmandu, Kolkata, Karachi, Delhi, Mumbai, Bangkok.

3x A310-300 : Kualalumpur, Singapore, Guangzhou, Hong Kong (via Guangzhou), Colombo, Male (via Colombo), Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain (via Abu Dhabi).

2x B747 (leased): Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Muscat (and Hajj flights)

2x B777-200 (leasing this year): Dubai, Doha, Tripoli (via Doha), Beijing.

2x B777-200ER (one leased, another if considered) : Soeul, Tokyo (via Soeul), Athens, Rome (via Athens), Manchester, New York (via Manchester).

2x B777-300ER (next year delivery): London Heathrow, Paris, Brussels (via Paris), Frankfurt, Amsterdam (via Frankfurt), and Sydney (via Singapore)

:)

Great job Mangir vai.

Actually 777-200 can do more than you write here. And may be 737 is enough for Male and Colombo,

But after getting the aircraft Biman will not do this because they need more flight to some profitable route like- All saudy routes, Dubai, Maskat, LHR, Abu Dhabi, Kalkatta, Kathmandu, Kualalampore etc.

But it is easy to go up to 25 destination easily. But thing is that 777-200 & 200ER is not permanent. It will remove once. So we have to think with 10 aircraft.

golden_falcon

May 30th, 2010, 04:54 AM

I go as an "Aviation Consultant" which ranges from anything such as acquiring additional aircraft to route analysis etc.

Thanks bro, pls check you're PM.

akbar1

May 30th, 2010, 05:56 AM

has anyone seen the new biman ad.i guess first ad after a million year

share it with us, where is the link?

Manazir

May 30th, 2010, 07:51 AM

Great job Mangir vai.

Actually 777-200 can do more than you write here. And may be 737 is enough for Male and Colombo,

But after getting the aircraft Biman will not do this because they need more flight to some profitable route like- All saudy routes, Dubai, Maskat, LHR, Abu Dhabi, Kalkatta, Kathmandu, Kualalampore etc.

But it is easy to go up to 25 destination easily. But thing is that 777-200 & 200ER is not permanent. It will remove once. So we have to think with 10 aircraft.

Thanx but my name is not Mangir, its Manazir :D

I know that B777-200 can go much further range than that, but there are lot of passengers in DXB, DOH routes so we need those big aircrafts there.

Well, about those 35 destinations, it was my idea, I am not sure if BG will do it or not, but they should resume all the suspended routes and open new ones like Guangzhou after they get all 13 aircrafts by end of 2011.

And this is why there are atleast 10 destinations 'via' another destination, so that they can maintain those flights, lets say, atleast 3x week without any schedule problems and i guess most of those routes would be worth operating.

By the time B777-200 and B777-200ER is handed back to the leasing companies, we will probably receive all the ordered B777-300ERs and might get atleast 2x B787s by then, or we can continue leasing ;)

unleashed_1

May 30th, 2010, 12:48 PM

Thanx but my name is not Mangir, its Manazir :D

I know that B777-200 can go much further range than that, but there are lot of passengers in DXB, DOH routes so we need those big aircrafts there.

Well, about those 35 destinations, it was my idea, I am not sure if BG will do it or not, but they should resume all the suspended routes and open new ones like Guangzhou after they get all 13 aircrafts by end of 2011.

And this is why there are atleast 10 destinations 'via' another destination, so that they can maintain those flights, lets say, atleast 3x week without any schedule problems and i guess most of those routes would be worth operating.

By the time B777-200 and B777-200ER is handed back to the leasing companies, we will probably receive all the ordered B777-300ERs and might get atleast 2x B787s by then, or we can continue leasing ;)

the problem here my forum buddy is its beiman we talking about and the chances of getting 1 777-200 let alone 2...well i'll believe it the day i see it! Be wonderful if beiman cud proove me wrong but...highly unlikely lol. Any pics?

Manazir

May 30th, 2010, 02:35 PM

^^
haha well said bro, its sad to see that they take AGES to get an aircraft delivery!!

btw, good to see that TK plans to use A330 on DAC route :)

Spiderguy252

May 30th, 2010, 09:43 PM

if Biman got 777-300ER they will use it at least 25 years. 2011-2026. :nuts:

Err.....you mean 2036 right? :)

unleashed_1

May 31st, 2010, 01:46 AM

Err.....you mean 2036 right? :)

Dats wat i was thinkin lol, the 777-300er will be damn old by then with a lot of newer models out by then (2036) but i could be wrong!

Any news of the 2nd 777-200ER? It now 5months overdue!!!

Any news on new aircraft within bangladesh? Uniteds 767 or gmg 767? Also regent air news? Also any pics of videos?

Galive

May 31st, 2010, 06:26 AM

Dats wat i was thinkin lol, the 777-300er will be damn old by then with a lot of newer models out by then (2036) but i could be wrong!

Any news of the 2nd 777-200ER? It now 5months overdue!!!

Any news on new aircraft within bangladesh? Uniteds 767 or gmg 767? Also regent air news? Also any pics of videos?

Biman must use 777-300ER until 2031. The top airliners also use the aircraft 20 years. like United Airlines, American airlines, Delta use there aircraft at least 18 years, In case of narrow body like 757 they use it 20-22 years.

So in case of 2 star Biman can use it 25 years. I think if Biman can reduce the pax capacity (from 463 to 420/410) and use only 10-11 bh/day then it can be ok until 2036.

In case of 4H, they just got the money from market. I think it will take two to three months to come the 767-300ER of 4H.

Galive

May 31st, 2010, 08:38 AM

Thanx but my name is not Mangir, its Manazir :D
:)

By the time B777-200 and B777-200ER is handed back to the leasing companies, we will probably receive all the ordered B777-300ERs and might get atleast 2x B787s by then, or we can continue leasing ;)

All will be backed by 2014. 777-200ER in 2014 and 777-200 in end of 2013.

Galive

May 31st, 2010, 11:38 AM

Singapore Airlines use 777-200/ER in the DAC route ?

Guys, does any one go to Sydney by SYN, their fair is about $600.
But Thai web shows that their is $2500? Why it is 4 times higher. I will call them.

Any one know about it.

unleashed_1

May 31st, 2010, 12:25 PM

Manazir

May 31st, 2010, 09:01 PM

:)

All will be backed by 2014. 777-200ER in 2014 and 777-200 in end of 2013.

well atleast we can operate those routes for 2/3 years before we suspend them again :D

Manazir

May 31st, 2010, 09:01 PM

b0gtrotter

May 31st, 2010, 09:26 PM

Personally i think by 2027/2028/2029/2030 beiman shud put in orders for new aircraft again so they can replace their 777's and they dont end up like now with the old dc10s situation! Theyll have the 787s but still itll be 10-15years old just like how the a310s are and look at how thats going. So my opinion is in around 15-20years put in order of new aircraft again so theyll always have new aircraft.

I often wondered about that, then again our fraudulent ministers/biman/CAAB love obsolete aircraft and equipment, they would've kept the DC10's operational until doomsday had European/North American airspace not banned them.

Galive

June 1st, 2010, 06:19 AM

SQ uses A330 on SIN-DAC route AFAIK :)

Yes, in the time of booking they show it 777 but in the ticket they show that it is 330 from DAC to Sin and SIN to SYN it is 777-300ER.

Nice :)

planemannyc

June 1st, 2010, 05:01 PM

Ex-EgyptAir B777-200ER for Biman?

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/more.php?news_id=101834&date=2010-06-01

Biman inspection team to visit Egypt

FE Report

The state-run Biman's inspection team is going to visit Egypt sometimes next week to physically examine a Boeing 777-200ER aircraft that has been offered for lease by the Euro Atlantic Airways (EAA).

In an e-mail issued on May 23, Biman's administration issued a letter to EAA for arranging inspection team's visit at its earliest.

This would end rising suspicion over the delivery of Biman's much needed long-haul wide body aircraft, Biman source said.

As per the lease agreement, signed in November 2009 between Biman and Portugal-based EAA, the national flag carrier took two fuel-efficient Boeing-777-200ER category aircraft on lease.

The first 323-seater aircraft was delivered in January 2010 as per schedule but delivery of the second aircraft became uncertain.

"As per the agreement, we have offered Biman another aircraft with almost the same configuration," EAA local representative told the FE.

The alternative B777-200ER aircraft that EAA offered is in use by Egypt Air. Biman would finalize the delivery following the inspection team's clearance, a Biman official told the FE.

Biman Bangladesh Airlines took the airlines on wet-lease at a cost of US$6400 per hour. The delivered B777-200ER aircraft is being operated on Dhaka-London, Dhaka-Singapore and Dhaka-Kuala Lumpur routes.

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Planemannyc / Wasim

iamkarib

June 1st, 2010, 05:23 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s171/iamkarib/VGZR%202010/DSC01854.jpg
Spotted this bird at VGZR,operated by Jordan Aviation...anybody know why it was in Dhaka?

Silv3r

June 1st, 2010, 05:31 PM

Spotted this bird at VGZR,operated by Jordan Aviation...anybody know why it was in Dhaka?

UN charter

Silv3r Jet used to operate all business class seats. I wonder whats the config inside this bird :)

Silv3r

June 1st, 2010, 05:36 PM

shatilislam

June 1st, 2010, 05:39 PM

Clipper747

June 1st, 2010, 06:54 PM

Yes verry similure to CS-TFM:nuts:
Egypt air 777 with a very stupid interior config. shame it wont be as goog as cs-tfm
http://seatexpert.com/seatmap_images/ms/_Egypt_772.gif

Manazir

June 1st, 2010, 07:52 PM

^^
so i see, i do hope BG gets this B777-200ER and also, those 2x B777-200. anyone can guess who might supply those 2x B777-200?

Galive

June 1st, 2010, 08:58 PM

^^
so i see, i do hope BG gets this B777-200ER and also, those 2x B777-200. anyone can guess who might supply those 2x B777-200?

Pacific Aviation. THose from China Southern

Galive

June 1st, 2010, 09:25 PM

Ex-EgyptAir B777-200ER for Biman?

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/more.php?news_id=101834&date=2010-06-01

Biman inspection team to visit Egypt

The first 323-seater aircraft was delivered in January 2010 as per schedule but delivery of the second aircraft became uncertain.

"As per the agreement, we have offered Biman another aircraft with almost the same configuration," EAA local representative told the FE.

The alternative B777-200ER aircraft that EAA offered is in use by Egypt Air. Biman would finalize the delivery following the inspection team's clearance, a Biman official told the FE.

Biman Bangladesh Airlines took the airlines on wet-lease at a cost of US$6400 per hour. The delivered B777-200ER aircraft is being operated on Dhaka-London, Dhaka-Singapore and Dhaka-Kuala Lumpur routes.

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Planemannyc / Wasim

The aircraft has 3 class seating. I hope EAA will arrange it at 2 class.

iamkarib

June 2nd, 2010, 12:55 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s171/iamkarib/VGZR%202010/SV747_ZIA1.jpg

iamkarib

June 2nd, 2010, 01:00 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s171/iamkarib/VGZR%202010/DSC01771-1.jpg
New addition to the 'F' market?
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s171/iamkarib/VGZR%202010/DSC01761.jpg
Delayed over an hour
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s171/iamkarib/VGZR%202010/DSC01826.jpg
Falcon-Mike on rwy14

TIslam

June 2nd, 2010, 02:34 AM

Falcon-Mike on rwy14
Make that foxtrot mike. :)

golden_falcon

June 2nd, 2010, 03:59 AM

Thanks for the photo's iamkarib.

rinathq

June 2nd, 2010, 05:29 AM

Etihad Airways to expand operations, raise frequency of flights

_A Monitor Report
Dhaka : Etihad Airways achieved significant milestones here in the last four years and is planning to expand its operations and increase the frequency of flights to and from Bangladesh.

The airline is also opening its offices outside Dhaka, in Chittagong and Sylhet, by appointing its service provider to reach out to more people.

Joost Den Hartog, Regional General Manager_ Asia Pacific North, Central and Indian Subcontinent_ was addressing the Agents Award Night_ Bangladesh of the airline in the city on May 20.

Shafique Alam Mehdi, Secretary, Ministry of Civil Aviation and Tourism, was the chief guest on the occasion and presented the awards while Khalfan Battal Ali Al-Mansouri, Ambassador of United Arab Emirates in Bangladesh, was present as the special guest.

Joost Den Hartog said, "Bangladesh remains one of our privileged destinations. The impressive growth in passenger numbers in the last few years shows the growing trust of Bangladeshi people in us."

He said the airline will introduce shortly visa processing service in Bangladesh which will enable Bangladeshi nationals to choose Abu Dhabi as a preferred destination.

Thanking the local staff, he said, "All these accomplishments have been possible because of our team, our partners and the travel industry in Bangladesh."

Joost Den Hartog said during the first quarter of 2010, Etihad Airways reported 25.4 per cent growth in revenue passenger kilometres (RPKs), far out-pacing the industry average and running ahead of the airline's available seat kilometres (ASKs) growth of 22 per cent.

"The improvement, against the first quarter of 2009, was matched by an increase in seat factors, from 73 per cent to 75 per cent, passenger numbers increased by 11 per cent. Despite the continuing economic downturn affecting many of Etihad's international markets, premium traffic been increased by five per cent which are encouraging figures."

He said, "Despite operating in the worst air transport recession in history, Etihad has continued its growth trajectory. Our investment in our product and in our brand has helped us to attract higher number of passengers in both economy and premium cabins."

Etihad Airways Regional General Manager-Asia Paci-fic North, Central and Indian Subcontinent said, "Etihad's first quarter figures build on its 2009 performance, which saw RPKs increase by 15 per cent and total passenger numbers rise from 6.0 million to 6.3 million."

"We are seeing the results of the implementation of our business strategy over the last six years coming to fruition. Outstanding products, available across a robust and attractive network, delivered by a lean and efficient business-these elements are the formula for our ongoing success."

Joost Den Hartog said, "Etihad been recognised as World's Leading Airline Award in World Travel Award 2009 which is a reflection of its quality and outstanding products."

Recent enhancements of the airline's products include family room, snooze room and spa in First and Business Class, which make a difference in the journey.

The airline's cabins are being enhanced in terms of branding and comfort. In addition to the dedicated lounge of Etihad in Abu Dhabi, London and Frankfurt, the airline launched recently another dedicated lounge in Manchester.

Etihad's inspired service in economy has now been rolled-out across more than 40 of the airline's 62 global routes, with full roll-out due to be completed by the end of May, he said.

"Our inspired service in economy provides customers with a more tailored experience including food and beverage, personal approach from cabin crews, overnight flight comfort and family entertainment," he added.

He said the airline signed the agreement with American Airline, the largest airline in the world. "Now we are connecting over 35 destinations in US points through code sharing partnership," Joost Den Hartog said.

"Apart from this, we are proud to add three latest destinations into our network; these are Tokyo, Nagoya and Baghdad," he informed.

Welcoming the guests to the Etihad Airways' annual agents' award ceremony, Khondaker A. Kabir, Country Manager, Etihad Airways said the occasion also marked the 4th anniversary of Etihad Airways operations in Bangladesh.

"With the active participation and wholehearted support of all our trade partners we have achieved commendable accomplishments in the last four years," he said.
Khondaker A. Kabir thanked members of the travel trade in Bangladesh for being an important partner in this success. As recognition of our services and range of connectivity, Etihad Airways has become one of the most preferred airlines amongst passengers for global travel, which has been reflected in our receiving the Worlds Leading Airline Award by The World Travel Award in 2009.

Encouraged by your support, we are planning to expand our operations and increase the frequency of flights to and from Bangladesh. In this regard, we have already expressed our keen interest to the Bangladesh Government, and it is being evaluated by the honourable authorities.

He announced that the long expected Chittagong and Sylhet office will be in operation from June 1 as the airline appointed Wings Classic Tours and Travels as its Passenger Sales Agents (PSA) in Sylhet and Chittagong. "This development will certainly facilitate our guests from these two cities," he opined.

Highlighting the airline's last added destination Baghdad, he said, "I am proud to announce that we are the first UAE carrier to connect Baghdad as destination."
He requested the airline's trade partners once again to realise the effective use of GDS. Every year airline faces a huge amount of GDS cancellation cost which could be recovered only with your support, he said.

Khondaker A. Kabir expres-sed his special gratitude to the Government of Bangla-desh for all the cooperation we have received so far and whose ongoing support has been a key to our growth and our future endeavours.

He said, "My sincere thanks go to my colleagues at Etihad in Dhaka for their team spirit and hard work, which have enabled Etihad to achieve so much during the last four years."

He announced that this year the airline introduced three new categories_ which are 'Top Agent for Long Haul Sale', 'Top Agent for Premium Sale' and 'Best GDS user'. I hope these additions will motivate our trade partners to carry on the partnership with Etihad further.

Top eight Dhaka agents in respect of 2009 revenue were: Islamia Overseas, Citycom International Travel Agency, Gold Air Enterprises, East West Travels & Tours (Pvt.) Ltd, Victory Travels Ltd., Air Trip International Ltd., Dynamic Travels, and Heritage Air Express.

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June 2nd, 2010, 05:30 AM

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June 2nd, 2010, 05:32 AM

Passenger handling at SAIA, Sylhet gets an upgrade

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Dhaka : Biman Bangladesh Airlines and SITA, the aviation IT specialist have worked together and improved services at Shah Amanat International Airport in Chittagong and Osmany International International Airport at Sylhet.

SITA is the world's leading specialist in air transport communications and IT solutions. SITA delivers and manages business solutions for airline, airport, GDS, government and other customers over the world's most extensive network, which forms the communications backbone of the global air transport industry.

SITA's Airport Connect check-in platform is now fully functional at SAIA and Osmany bringing them at par with Dhaka's Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport where the SITA system has been running successfully since 2002 for both the national airline and foreign carriers, handling almost two million passengers annually.

Muhammad Zakiul Islam, CEO, Biman Bangladesh Airlines, said: "SITA is assisting us to realise the government's Digital Vision 2021 at two of our most significant locations particularly for our expatriate population. Passengers now receive world-class treatment as they check-in and board our aircraft in a timely and efficient manner. The process has been automated to the highest degree possible."

Damian Hickey, SITA Regional Vice President for South Asia, said: "We have now upgraded and automated passenger services to international standards making it much more attractive to fly to these two important destinations. We have introduced both 20 bar-coded boarding passes and the capability to use RFID for baggage management."