Brasilia: built in 1960 in the middle of the savannah in central Brazil according to modernist urbanism.

Pics by forumer donquito.

Commercial areas: shops , restaurants, bars, clinics, night clubs etc

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Homes
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Green areas
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Skyline
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Lake and JK bridge
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More homes
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More green areas
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Interesting photos! We hardly ever see images from this city. But ... I guess it depends on how you define "richest country" in the Southern Hemisphere ...

I don't see how Brazil is the richest country in the southern hemisphere.

According to a popular internet encyclopedia, which used 2008 data from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as its source, the following are the world's largest economies by GDP. Only one of these is in the Southern Hemisphere

Rank Country GDP (millions of USD)
World 60,917,477
European Union 18,387,785
1 United States 14,441,425
2 Japan 4,910,692
3 China 4,327,448
4 Germany 3,673,105
5 France 2,866,951
6 United Kingdom 2,680,000
7 Italy 2,313,893
8 Russia 1,676,586
9 Spain 1,601,964
10 Brazil 1,572,839

However, the very same encyclopedia provides the following map of the world showing GDP per capita:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/GDP_PPP_Per_Capita_IMF_2008.svg/800px-GDP_PPP_Per_Capita_IMF_2008.svg.png

So, by that measure, certain other Southern Hemisphere nations are richer.

I belong in that suburb

per capita Brazil's a long way from even the top 10...

PPP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Australia: #10
Brazil: #75

Nominal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Australia: #11
Brazil: #60

was about to say, gdp dont mean much if there are 250million people sharing it, thats why developeed countrys with small populations tend to have higher standards of living and are therefore sen as rich. ie switzerland might not be as "rich" as china but id sure as hell rather live there thanm beijing.

ps pimpin bridge in brasilia!!

According to a popular internet encyclopedia, which used 2008 data from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as its source, the following are the world's largest economies by GDP. Only one of these is in the Southern Hemisphere

Rank Country GDP (millions of USD)
World 60,917,477
European Union 18,387,785
1 United States 14,441,425
2 Japan 4,910,692
3 China 4,327,448
4 Germany 3,673,105
5 France 2,866,951
6 United Kingdom 2,680,000
7 Italy 2,313,893
8 Russia 1,676,586
9 Spain 1,601,964
10 Brazil 1,572,839

However, the very same encyclopedia provides the following map of the world showing GDP per capita:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/GDP_PPP_Per_Capita_IMF_2008.svg/800px-GDP_PPP_Per_Capita_IMF_2008.svg.png

So, by that measure, certain other Southern Hemisphere nations are richer.


Those figures are outdated. Due to recession in Europe, Spain and Russia are now poorer than Brazil.

Brazil is currently the world´s EIGHT largest economy in nominal, having a GDP bigger than Spain and Russia.

Brazil is expected to grow 6-7% this year and in a few time will pass Italy, achieving the 7th position. :)


Spain in 2008 was VERY different from Spain 2010. The country is not in chaos, like Greece, but was severely affected by economic crisis.

Brazil, on the other hand, didn´t suffer.

Only if you use GDP measurements as the basis of your statement, not if you use per capita measurements. Even after the financial crisis, the average individual in Brazil is still poorer than those in, say, Australia, which is also in the Southern Hemisphere.

Anyway, this probably shouldn't be the point of the thread, as it is really about the urban nature of Brasilia. It seems like quite a modern city. Is there an older, more distinct historical centre?

Please, don't mind with the thread's title. Maria Thereza is only an exaggerated character from Brazilian forum, she always likes to use that kind of words in her threads. We all know that Australia and Nova Zelandia are the richest countries in Southern Hemisphere. Let's pay attention to the photos, please. :)

It should be obvious that GDP per capita (PPP) is what matters regarding the wealth of a country rather than the total GDP, since you have to consider how many people have to share that GDP.

Although Brazil's economy is growing rapidly, it still is a 3rd world country even though it has a lot of wealth.... it also has a great deal of poverty.

From Google Earth, I had no problem finding poor parts of Brasilia:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/4656236738_0f4f9833b7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/oceanmdx/4656236738/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4656236562_64f1fd7c9a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/oceanmdx/4656236562)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4656236450_9a114e7cd3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/oceanmdx/4656236450)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4656236138_68e5a652e5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/oceanmdx/4656236138)

Try finding those scenes in Canberra.

^^
Wow, poor areas in Brazil! :eek: That was very unexpected... :|

You should not be biased with us only because of Maria Thereza's thread, we Brazilians know very well the problems of our country. :)

^^
Wow, poor areas in Brazil! :eek: That was very unexpected... :|



Yes, Maria will be in shock.... we can only hope that she will recover. ;)

It should be obvious that GDP per capita (PPP) is what matters regarding the wealth of a country rather than the total GDP, since you have to consider how many people have to share that GDP.

Although Brazil's economy is growing rapidly, it still is a 3rd world country even though it has a lot of wealth.... it also has a great deal of poverty.



So, by your statement, Canada and Australia are richer than the US??? :lol::lol:

When you consider a country´s wealth, what it´s important is the total GDP.

The weight Brazil has in the global scene is much larger than Australia.

Who cares if in Denmark the per capita income is larger than in China. China can affect others in a global scale in economical terms, while Denmark can´t.

Brazil has much more big companies and banks than any other southern hemisphere country, by far. It exports planes. It is the world´s fourth largest car market and the 5th largest car manufacturer, the thirg largest cosmetic market and the second regarding plastic surgery and gyms.

A brazilian man is the 8th richest person in the planet. The only from Southern Hemisphere in the list ot he 10th richest people on earth.

And when talking about individuals, per capita income doesn´t mean much.

Brazil has the world´s largest income gap, which means that lots of people are much poorer than what the per capita income indicates, while the riches in Brazil are MUCH richer than the elites in Australia.

^^ No, by my statement the US is richer since it has a higher GDP (PPP) per capita than either Australia or Canada... and as far as Brazil having more clout than Australia on the global scene, that's nothing more but an unsubstantiated claim on your part. Up until very recently, Brazil (like Mexico) has pretty much been a hermit on the global scene.... where have you been?

BTW, I'm happy to see that you have recovered from the shock of finding out that Brasilia has slums.

Great photos - but from what I've heard from people, is that Brasilia is very similar to our own capital, Canberra, in that the city is very spread out and cold (not temperature-wise), leading to a city feeling empty and a little boring.

^^ No, by my statement the US is richer since it has a higher GDP (PPP) per capita than either Australia or Canada... and as far as Brazil having more clout than Australia on the global scene, that's nothing more but an unsubstantiated claim on your part. Up until very recently, Brazil (like Mexico) has pretty much been a hermit on the global scene.... where have you been?



Well, I recognise that until very recently Brazil was like Australia is nowadays on the global scene, "a hermit". :)

Now, things have changed and Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world with predictions to be the 5th in a near future.

You can claim what you want, but it´s undeniable that Brazil has more international weight than Australia.

Great photos - but from what I've heard from people, is that Brasilia is very similar to our own capital, Canberra, in that the city is very spread out and cold (not temperature-wise), leading to a city feeling empty and a little boring.

You are correct.:)

Some pics that show that:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x181/jjales_2007/braslia063.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t306/dilma_bruna/braslia018.jpg

I think most people would agree that income disparity is not REALLY a good thing.

I saw a doco on Brazil the other day and yes it will be more influential in the next 20 years and it might surpass nations like Italy and France. However, the big problem with Brazil is that it has an unbelievable gap between rich and poor.

I am not impressed by the suburb as it looks like almost any suburb in warm parts of the US, Australia and newer parts of Europe. I am not saying its not nice but you know what i mean.

I saw a doco on Brazil the other day and yes it will be more influential in the next 20 years and it might surpass nations like Italy and France. However, the big problem with Brazil is that it has an unbelievable gap between rich and poor.

Some quarters see the rise of Brazil in connection with India, China and Russia - all of whom it is loosely affiliated with, as a 'polar balance' to the hegemony of the US. However, in Australia at least, we hear very little about the alliance of the large Asian nations, Brazil and South Africa: if co-operation is closer; if it has expanded at all etc etc.. Major media have all but ignored its existence.

I think Brasilia has some of the most amazing modern architecture. Im fascinated by the lay out as well. Does it all work at street level?

PS We all know that Brazil is definately going places. In 25 years time it should be considered a very powerful nation on the world stage.

i find it VERY hard to believe brasilia is richer than sydney.

^^ I find it very hard to believe you came to the conclusion anybody even said that.

The city is just like Canberra. Boring


I'd rather take myself to Recife or Rio

I am not impressed by the suburb as it looks like almost any suburb in warm parts of the US, Australia and newer parts of Europe. I am not saying its not nice but you know what i mean.

I agree with you. The weather in Brasilia is similar to southern California and parts of Southern Europe: warm and dry. Besides, the city was founded in 1960, so its pretty new.


And how can you call a city that resembles those places you´ve mentioned third world?

I´m not saying you did, but another guy said before. :)

I saw a doco on Brazil the other day and yes it will be more influential in the next 20 years and it might surpass nations like Italy and France. However, the big problem with Brazil is that it has an unbelievable gap between rich and poor.

It´s similar to South Africa in some ways. Brazil has a first world rich part sharing the same country with a poor nation.

The city is just like Canberra. Boring


I'd rather take myself to Recife or Rio

You have a point.

Brasilia is an administrative city, not touristic like Rio and Recife.

It´s similar to South Africa in some ways. Brazil has a first world rich part sharing the same country with a poor nation.

It's a pity you can't just round up and hide away all those pesky poor people :)

Please, don't mind with the thread's title. Maria Thereza is only an exaggerated character from Brazilian forum, she always likes to use that kind of words in her threads. We all know that Australia and Nova Zelandia are the richest countries in Southern Hemisphere. Let's pay attention to the photos, please. :)

We understand.

The photos are great. It amazes me just how similar looking Brazil and Australia are in their urban form. I mean if you told me those some of pictures had been taken on Brisbane's outskirts I would have believed you. Especially the houses, they look very similar to average suburban houses here.

Well, I recognise that until very recently Brazil was like Australia is nowadays on the global scene, "a hermit". :)

Now, things have changed and Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world with predictions to be the 5th in a near future.

You can claim what you want, but it´s undeniable that Brazil has more international weight than Australia.

You speak Portuguese? Who saved East Timor, Australia or Brazil?

You speak Portuguese? Who saved East Timor, Australia or Brazil?

I don´t know who saved East Timor.

And I do speak portuguese.

You speak Portuguese? Who saved East Timor, Australia or Brazil?


I hope your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek! Australia 'saved' Timor Leste. If 30 years of pussying around Indonesia=saving Timor then fuck! WE ROCK! The UN sponsored an agreement between Indonesia, Portugal and the US which lead to Timors independance. Australia had noting to do with it apart from leading the Interfet peacekeeping forces and a delegation observing their 1st election. I do love how we have laid claim to Timors oil fields, just a stones throw off their coast, yet a million miles from ours.

Why should a Brazilian have an opinion on Timor? AFAIK Brazil doesnt have a 'Portuguese' impression of the world, they been an independant nation for 200 years and have no real connection to Portugal or any of the other Portuguese speaking nations.

On that basis, whats Australia doing to help Fiji? or Zimbabwe? or Jamaica? They are all english speaking Commonwealth countries.

I hope your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek! Australia 'saved' Timor Leste. If 30 years of pussying around Indonesia=saving Timor then fuck! WE ROCK! The UN sponsored an agreement between Indonesia, Portugal and the US which lead to Timors independance. Australia had noting to do with it apart from leading the Interfet peacekeeping forces and a delegation observing their 1st election. I do love how we have laid claim to Timors oil fields, just a stones throw off their coast, yet a million miles from ours.

Why should a Brazilian have an opinion on Timor? AFAIK Brazil doesnt have a 'Portuguese' impression of the world, they been an independant nation for 200 years and have no real connection to Portugal or any of the other Portuguese speaking nations.

On that basis, whats Australia doing to help Fiji? or Zimbabwe? or Jamaica? They are all english speaking Commonwealth countries.

You´´re correct.

Yardmaster is evidently a twat.

Brasilia´s downtown modernist buildings

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Only if you use GDP measurements as the basis of your statement, not if you use per capita measurements. Even after the financial crisis, the average individual in Brazil is still poorer than those in, say, Australia, which is also in the Southern Hemisphere.

Anyway, this probably shouldn't be the point of the thread, as it is really about the urban nature of Brasilia. It seems like quite a modern city. Is there an older, more distinct historical centre?

the historic center was entirely built in 1960 in modernist style

1. Ligação com os threads anteriores: Catedral e Museu Nacional
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00134.jpg

2. Congresso Nacional (é pra ai que eu vou!)
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00135.jpg

3. Ministério dos Esportes (reparem no cartaz do Pan)
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00136.jpg

4. Entrada do Ministério da Cultura
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00137.jpg

5. Banca Esplanada, muito tradicional no local
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00138.jpg

6. Tipico anexo de ministério
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00139.jpg

7. Palacio da Justiça
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00140.jpg

8. Os pratos, meias-laranjas, etc etc heheheh
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00141.jpg

9. Trampo =P
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00142.jpg

10. Trampo de novo... não resisti, tirei muitas fotos hehehe
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00143.jpg

11. Ele (o proprio!)
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00144.jpg

12. Os arcos
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00145.jpg

13. Os arcos com o Meteoro
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00147.jpg

14. Vista frontal
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00148.jpg

15. O Meteoro
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00149.jpg

16. Palacio da Justiça e bandeiras estaduais
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00146.jpg

17. Um pouco de cultura!
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Brasilia-12a1507.2007150.jpg

18. Ministérios
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00151.jpg

19. Senado Federal
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00152.jpg

20. Câmara dos Deputados
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00153.jpg

21. Palacio da Justiça visto do Senado
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00154.jpg

22. Entrada do Congresso
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Image00155.jpg

23. Boas-vindas aos turistas
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Brasilia-12a1507.2007156.jpg

24. O chamado "28", Anexos I da Câmara e I do Senado
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Brasilia-12a1507.2007157.jpg

25. Arcadas do Congresso
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kryptonium/Brasilia%2001/Brasilia-12a1507.2007158.jpg

^^ Though I personally prefer historical architecture, these modern buildings are pretty interesting. Brasilia must be one of the most modern big cities in the world.

Yardmaster is evidently a twat.

Can't see the logic in all that. I have heard (since I listen to radio) a theory that all vehement differences of opinion on internet forums ultimately in one party calling the other a Nazi ... do you know what a "twat" means here?

^^Nazi says what?

Can't imagine why I'd ever see fit to rank people here.

I was working from the following dictionary definition:

Twat:
1: a man who is a stupid fool [syn: fathead, goof, bozo, jackass, goose, cuckoo, zany] 2: obscene terms ...

I meant the former, and only in reference to the comment you made about us 'saving' East Timor.

Yardmaster is evidently a twat.
You're correct.

So is Maria.

Maria, why do you consistently come to the Australian forums trying to sprout pro brazillian propagander, with hyperbole and exaggerated facts and controversial and antogonisitic thread titles?

Most of your threads, while containing interesting images are biased and exaggerate brazil as a leading and wealthy society. You even find it acceptable to come to the Australian threads and post titles that are obviously attempting to deride Australia and show Brazil as superior. It's actually mildly offensive.

I enjoy your images and I thank you for posting them, but can you not be more selective with content and more moderate in spruiking your undying belief in Brazil being better than everything else?

Well, I recognise that until very recently Brazil was like Australia is nowadays on the global scene, "a hermit". :)

Now, things have changed and Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world with predictions to be the 5th in a near future.

You can claim what you want, but it´s undeniable that Brazil has more international weight than Australia.

Bullshit.

:popcorn:

Love the modernist pics of Brasilia.

I don't think you can really compare the countries in the same way - other than mineral booms.

But Australia doesn't have shanty towns, horrific levels of crime and a responsibility to the planet being steward of the rainforest, so until those issues are rectified, Brasil should concentrate on its domestic problems, and leave world presence further down the priority list.

Looks great though.

Great photos. Brasilia obviously doesn't look like the most exciting city to visit, but definately has its own qualities which make it an interesting place. Another example of the positives and negatives of a planned city.

Great photos. Brasilia obviously doesn't look like the most exciting city to visit, but definately has its own qualities which make it an interesting place. Another example of the positives and negatives of a planned city.

I agree.

I´d like to add that , for those who appreciate modernist architecture and also contemporary homes, Brasilia can be very interesting:

Some houses in the city

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2501/3930266814_1b128b94e9_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2483/3929486207_0e6338ae3d_o.jpg

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. What is the reason behind starting this? It's a very strange thing to do.
Perhaps it would have been much better to simply name the thread Brasilia. It's really immature or perhaps plainly stupid, to start a thread under another country claiming to be richest. I suggest it be changed or this pointless argument will continue.

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. What is the reason behind starting this? It's a very strange thing to do.
Perhaps it would have been much better to simply name the thread Brasilia. It's really immature or perhaps plainly stupid, to start a thread under another country claiming to be richest. I suggest it be changed or this pointless argument will continue.


Brazil is better than Australia is her message, it's blantent, antagonistic, shit-stiring, that's why. It's a thread for her to promote the size of her dick, nothing more.

The pictures are interesting but fail to highlight anything remotely typical. It's all about brownie points for showing Brazil to be a world leading superpower of style, culture and wealth. Brazil has alot to offer, but it also has a long way to go and alot to learn.

Maria, we have everything that you have posted here, from highstreet shops to modernist architecture ... how about you post some pics of shanty town and slums ... something that would be of far more interest seeing as though we really don't see much of it in our relatively egalitarian society.

until you stumble out into the middle of Australia.

way to go before it becomes egalitarian in true sense of the word.its the only racist society in the western world.its too racist to recognise its native native people too late,god forgive immigrants.its one hella anti intellectual as well so much so to force ms GREER to take abode in london.

^^Beg yours?

way to go before it becomes egalitarian in true sense of the word.its the only racist society in the western world.its too racist to recognise its native native people too late,god forgive immigrants.its one hella anti intellectual as well so much so to force ms GREER to take abode in london.

LOL, you have to be kidding me.

Great language skills.

You really think racism is not in every country in the western world? It would be unfair to single Australia out ... the residents of many countries are becoming increasingly angered by multiculturalism. Have a look at Norway and Sweden. There is anger everywhere its just that some of the countries have been pushed past the point of no return and people have become apathetic.

Stop preaching your shit about the indigenous peoples. There are issues with indigenous peoples across the world and in many cultures; it's certainly not isolated.

Greer wasn't as revolutionary as many claim ... look at her now and what she's become.

Intellectualism breeds stupid left-wing ideologies like you're sprouting off. Who is to say your are right? It's only your own misguided interpretation.

BTW of your few years on here and 58 posts, most are the same rhetroic, spruiking brazil and demonising anyone who speaks out against your misguided ambitions.

There is no racism in this thread anyway.

Love the modernist pics of Brasilia.

I don't think you can really compare the countries in the same way - other than mineral booms.

But Australia doesn't have shanty towns, horrific levels of crime and a responsibility to the planet being steward of the rainforest, so until those issues are rectified, Brasil should concentrate on its domestic problems, and leave world presence further down the priority list.

Looks great though.

I agree with the colleagues around here. Maybe the thread's name could be perceived as an insult to Australians, but that's Maria's style. She's some sort of a character.

However there are some misconceptions around here. Brazilian crime level is not as bad as people think. The homicide rate is about 25/100,000 (all big cities in US have higher levels) and 90% is drug-related. So there is no sense of insecurity whatsoever. Brazil is NOT a dangerous country in anyway.

About rainforest, the deforestation is quite small in Amazon area: 5,000 km²/year. Brazil has one of the most hard environmental laws in the world and the government really enforces it. For instance, all farms in Brazil, even here in South (thousands of kms away from Amazonia) have to preserve the forests in the banks of rivers and creeks plus 20% of the land's area, as a forestal reserve. No other country has such draconian policies.

And finally, I agree with you. The focus should be on the internal problems and that's why I don't like the current administration.


Brazil is better than Australia is her message, it's blantent, antagonistic, shit-stiring, that's why. It's a thread for her to promote the size of her dick, nothing more.

The pictures are interesting but fail to highlight anything remotely typical. It's all about brownie points for showing Brazil to be a world leading superpower of style, culture and wealth. Brazil has alot to offer, but it also has a long way to go and alot to learn.

Maria, we have everything that you have posted here, from highstreet shops to modernist architecture ... how about you post some pics of shanty town and slums ... something that would be of far more interest seeing as though we really don't see much of it in our relatively egalitarian society.

I don't know why people are so obsessed about shanty tows. Only a tiny % of the population live in such environment. People have this very bizarre idea by which Brazil has one small and powerful elite while the rest of the country lives in extreme poverty. Brazil has an HUGE middle-class. Brazil is actually a middle-class country.

And Australian egalitarian? Australia, US and Brazil are pretty much at the same level in terms of social inequality. And there is not a necessary relation between inequality and poverty or egalitarism and wealth. There are many rich countries with big gaps between the poor and rich sections (Australia, for instance) and there are many very poor but egalitarian countries. Brazil is a mid-income country, and yes, not-egalitarian, but that doesn't mean people live in extreme poverty or there is no middle-class over here.

There are many rich countries with big gaps between the poor and rich sections (Australia, for instance)

This is the oppposite of what i was saying. Australia doesn't have a big gap, low income earners can live quite well.

This is the oppposite of what i was saying. Australia doesn't have a big gap, low income earners can live quite well.

That´s a positive point about Australia, that we all know and admire.

Low income earners in Brazil don´t live well.

However, high income earners in Brazil live really well.

In societies with high levels of inequality like Brazil, the upper classes have more comfortable and luxurious lifestyles than upper classes in countries like Denmark or Norway.

This is the oppposite of what i was saying. Australia doesn't have a big gap, low income earners can live quite well.

Avatar, pay attention on my post: I didn't say low income earners in Australia live in poverty. We all know Australia has one of the highest HDI in the world. However it doesn't mean there isn't an huge gap between the rich and the poor in Australia. Actually, Australia and US are the best examples among high-income countries.

What I was saying is there are rich countries with inequality (Australia and US); egalitarian rich countries (Sweden and Denmark); poor countries with inequality (India) and egalitarian poor countries (Cuba, Laos, Cambodia).

The bottom line is: yes, the difference between the rich section and the poor section is huge in Brazil, but that's not the problem per se. As long as life conditions keep improving, this gap could be even bigger (in this decade, the gap became smaller). And most important: we have an huge middle-class, between the rich and the poor sections.

That´s a positive point about Australia, that we all know and admire.

Low income earners in Brazil don´t live well.

However, high income earners in Brazil live really well.

In societies with high levels of inequality like Brazil, the upper classes have more comfortable and luxurious lifestyles than upper classes in countries like Denmark or Norway.

Good glad we got that cleared up and I will agree. It's great to have money in any country, fortunately for those near the poverty line (in Aust) there are mechanisms in place to assist and provide relief with housing, travel, food, basic income, health and medical.

There are super rich in countries like Norway and Australia it's just more expensive and therefore could be considered marginally less financially 'comfortable', than say doing the same thing in Russia or Brazil. Western countries often have a more mature way of dealing with their wealth also, this comes from social constructs and how things have developed over time.

Good glad we got that cleared up and I will agree. It's great to have money in any country, fortunately for those near the poverty line (in Aust) there are mechanisms in place to assist and provide relief with housing, travel, food, basic income, health and medical.

There are super rich in countries like Norway and Australia it's just more expensive and therefore could be considered marginally less financially 'comfortable', than say doing the same thing in Russia or Brazil. Western countries often have a more mature way of dealing with their wealth also, this comes from social constructs and how things have developed over time.

I fully agree with everything you wrote, except for one point.

You mentioned "western" countries. I believe you meant europeans countries plus australian and canada. Because Brazil is western, as well as Argentina, and both countries have huge income gaps.

^^^ This is why you don't name a thread "The capital city of THE RICHEST COUNTRY in the southern hemisphere"
You would have had my attention and more importantly interest if you just posted pics of Brasilia. I may have sat back and been wowed by good design and quality of build. Now all you have accomplished is getting people's back up and creating a negativity towards yourself and arguably the country.
It's important when it comes to international communication that we think carefully before we speak/act/type. This was destined to become a competition by what you called it, and to be quite honest it is incredibly draining and pointless.
For the Aussies reading. I particularly love a Brazilian architecture firm called Marcio Kogan based out of Sao Paolo. Have a look at his website and (to me) mind blowing design: http://www.marciokogan.com.br/
This is what Maria should have been showing us.

Yeah amazing buildings. He can come here and build me a house.

^^^ This is why you don't name a thread "The capital city of THE RICHEST COUNTRY in the southern hemisphere"
You would have had my attention and more importantly interest if you just posted pics of Brasilia. I may have sat back and been wowed by good design and quality of build. Now all you have accomplished is getting people's back up and creating a negativity towards yourself and arguably the country.
It's important when it comes to international communication that we think carefully before we speak/act/type. This was destined to become a competition by what you called it, and to be quite honest it is incredibly draining and pointless.
For the Aussies reading. I particularly love a Brazilian architecture firm called Marcio Kogan based out of Sao Paolo. Have a look at his website and (to me) mind blowing design: http://www.marciokogan.com.br/
This is what Maria should have been showing us.


Later I´ll create a thread showing brazilian contemporary home architecture and Marcio Kogan´s work will be portrayed.

A brazilian man is the 8th richest person in the planet. The only from Southern Hemisphere in the list ot he 10th richest people on earth.

And when talking about individuals, per capita income doesn´t mean much.

When talking about individuals per capita income means EVERYTHING. A Brazilian man is NOT the 8th richest on earth, he is the 75th according to the IMF 2009 figures.



Brazil has the world´s largest income gap, which means that lots of people are much poorer than what the per capita income indicates, while the riches in Brazil are MUCH richer than the elites in Australia.

I feel bad descending to your level...but this is utter crap. It's misguided opinion rather than fact. The average Australian would be considered wealthy in Brasil. The wealthiest 10% of Australians/Americans/Europeans/Japanese have far more wealth than the wealthiest 10% of Brasilians. Australia has slightly more millionaires than Brasil, and only about 10% of the population of Brasil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire

BTW I love the modernist buildings in Brasilia.

When talking about individuals per capita income means EVERYTHING. A Brazilian man is NOT the 8th richest on earth, he is the 75th according to the IMF 2009 figures.

8th richest man in the world Forbes 2010 Eike Batista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_billionaires_(2010))

^^^
Ah, is that the meaning of the sentence. My bad. I took it to mean...'if Brasil was a man....he would be the 8th richest...'

^^^
Ah, is that the meaning of the sentence. My bad. I took it to mean...'if Brasil was a man....he would be the 8th richest...'

Glad you noticed your mistake.

It should be obvious that GDP per capita (PPP) is what matters regarding the wealth of a country rather than the total GDP, since you have to consider how many people have to share that GDP.

Although Brazil's economy is growing rapidly, it still is a 3rd world country even though it has a lot of wealth.... it also has a great deal of poverty.

Try finding those scenes in Canberra.

You touched it with a needle! Brazil has to erase all that poverty if it wants seriously to be part of those countries where, the people is also very rich. I cannot forgive the blindness of some Brazilians. Australia is, indeed, far behind in GDP, compared to my country. But Brazil is not far behind in poverty, compared to Africa, for instance!

Glad you noticed your mistake.

Perhaps something you could learn to do.

oscar niemeyer was recently voted in a poll in u.k. as the most famous architect of 20th century and his creations speak for itself.you cant compare brazilia to canberra.there is nothing like it in australia. mercer living index 2010 ranks sao paulo as the most expensive city for expats in americas.it is 21st, more expensive than sydney and melbourne.

Brazilians are, like, so humble.

So is Maria.

Maria, why do you consistently come to the Australian forums trying to sprout pro brazillian propagander, with hyperbole and exaggerated facts and controversial and antogonisitic thread titles?

Most of your threads, while containing interesting images are biased and exaggerate brazil as a leading and wealthy society. You even find it acceptable to come to the Australian threads and post titles that are obviously attempting to deride Australia and show Brazil as superior. It's actually mildly offensive.

I enjoy your images and I thank you for posting them, but can you not be more selective with content and more moderate in spruiking your undying belief in Brazil being better than everything else?

she does the same everywhere she goes. in latinskylines is persona non grata.

I love my country(Brazil) I know we have problems , but Brazil is better than south africa, china etc to live.......for a magazine america brazil 38th better country to live in the world

I love my country(Brazil) I know we have problems , but Brazil is better than south africa, china etc to live.......for a magazine america brazil 38th better country to live in the world
ZOMG

I love my country(Brazil) I know we have problems , but Brazil is better than south africa, china etc to live.......for a magazine america brazil 38th better country to live in the world

Nobody in the thread has anything against Brazil, they appreciate its strengths and the photos being posted.
They were just calling out the person (Maria) who was being misleading.

Brasilia >>>>>>>>>> Canberra

^^ Such acute observation.

:omg: another one...

:omg: not another one...:ohno:

Fixed

Richest country BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR






Just kidding...

Good pictures...

But one thing is a fact: Brazil CAN be called the richest country in southern hemisphere. In the same way USA can be called the richest country and walmart the richest of the world..

OF COURSE the most important things are per capta income, social indicators and etc and the PIB cannot measure the well being of the population, but thats another story...

But Australia doesn't have shanty towns, horrific levels of crime

I wonder if the aboriginal tribes would agree with that...

I wonder if the aboriginal tribes would agree with that...

Those are safely hidden away far from our leafy suburbs so that liberals can stay smug and feel good about diversity knowing that the drawbacks will never affect them personally.

I wonder if the aboriginal tribes would agree with that...

Aboriginals families in general receive 10x the amount of federal money than an average Australian family, so if they live in crap then they really have to blame themselves. Also, I don't think any 'tribes' still exist.

Aboriginals families in general receive 10x the amount of federal money than an average Australian family, so if they live in crap then they really have to blame themselves. Also, I don't think any 'tribes' still exist.

Spoken like a true Victorian :lol:

Aboriginals families in general receive 10x the amount of federal money than an average Australian family, so if they live in crap then they really have to blame themselves. Also, I don't think any 'tribes' still exist.

This person is 14 years old. He is pathalogically stupid. He is white trash.

His views do not reflect the views of most Australians.

lucky the british wiped out 80% of the aboringal population when they arrived, otherwise we would have a REAL problem on our hands today. pictures on google earth being posted etc. *phew*

Spoken like a true Victorian :lol:

It is true though. The way the government coddles particular people is a joke.

This person is 14 years old. He is pathalogically stupid. He is white trash.

His views do not reflect the views of most Australians.

This

"the thirg largest cosmetic market and the second regarding plastic surgery and gyms."...not a statistic I would spruik!!

Brazil has the world´s largest income gap, which means that lots of people are much poorer than what the per capita income indicates, while the riches in Brazil are MUCH richer than the elites in Australia. I am actually proud that in Australia there is far more even income distribution and a decent, stable middle class with little to no real grinding poverty. The very reason that the Brazilian "elites" (your term) are so wealthy is because they have drained the vitality and money from the rest of the country.:ohno:

That´s a positive point about Australia, that we all know and admire.

Low income earners in Brazil don´t live well.

However, high income earners in Brazil live really well.

In societies with high levels of inequality like Brazil, the upper classes have more comfortable and luxurious lifestyles than upper classes in countries like Denmark or Norway.

Workers are paid a decent wage and can make a life for themselves...no serf/wage slave class that further props up the excesses of the wealthy by allowing them to hire legions of poor flunkies to cater to their every need. Is it really a surprise that these lower classes, after centuries of this abuse rise up and line the elites up against the nearest wall?

In societies with high levels of inequality like Brazil, the upper classes have more comfortable and luxurious lifestyles than upper classes in countries like Denmark or Norway.Not true at all - "upper classes" here just doesn't stand out much compared to the rest so they aren't very noticable..

The ability to hire help is within everyone's reach, heck the first 15.000 DKK you use on it is actually fully deductable so all could technically have maid service twice a week free of charge... if they wanted.. :)

Being brazilian myself, I find this thread to be extremely embarrassing. The OP could have posted a lot of pictures of places that make Brazil stand out as a nation without necessarily having to hide our poverty and making us look pretentious to the point of thinking we're richer than Australia or even more so than a few other developing countries. Most of us are realistic and very much aware of our current situation in the global scenario so there's no need for anyone to strike back with generalizations or any kind of offensive comments towards us.

With that being said, personally, I have to say Brasilia doesn't really do it for me as a city. Other than the fortunate history with urban planning it had and its nice architecture, although I've never been there before, it's not very pedestrian friendly from what I've heard and is located quite far away from most relevant brazilian cities and also from the coast.

looks like moe.......
and solopop is correct btw.

. We all know that Australia and Nova Zelandia are the richest countries in Southern Hemisphere. Let's pay attention to the photos, please. :)

Haha no way man. We are pretty damn broke. You wanna buy some state assets? we're having a firesale.

Haha no way man. We are pretty damn broke. You wanna buy some state assets? we're having a firesale.

You sound pretentious as fuck.

How so? He was making light comment saying that New Zealand is broke. Thereby being somewhat opposite of pretentious.

How so? He was making light comment saying that New Zealand is broke. Thereby being somewhat opposite of pretentious.

Oh, lol. I thought he was being sarcastic, as if what the OP had stated was too obvious or something, which would come off as pretentious to me. Sorry about that.

You sound pretentious as fuck.

Don't hurt me keyboard warrior :cry:
How so? He was making light comment saying that New Zealand is broke. Thereby being somewhat opposite of pretentious.

Yep, just taking the piss out of the "New Zealand is rich" comment because of the long recession we just came out of and current slow growth. The government is indeed looking into selling a stake(49%) in state owned assets to make some money.