Most SSC sub-forums have these.

If you don't know what one is, it's basically an off topic chat thread, in which anything can really be said or asked . . within reason!

It's good to use it for little bits of general chat ("my iPad isn't working" . . . ) and banter for us all, not necessarily - or even not usually - about the 'urbanism' stuff that is the remit of Skyscraper City, at all!

While just intended as a 'fun thread', it can also help in keeping our 'normal threads' free of such chat!

ENJOY!

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Thought this would be a good thread to dispute Hull's progress alongside it's competitors, such as other local areas and cities of similar sizes.

As suggested by UTT when discussing Hull Vs Beverley as a shopping destination.

For those who aren't local reading this, you may or may not know that Hull has it's own council and so usually has to compete with conflicting developments by the East Riding Council, despite both being in the East Riding of Yorkshire and despite how Hull's progress could benefit everyone in the county.

As for Hull Vs Beverley, I hadn't been to Beverley properly for about year, maybe more - noticed since Woolworths had left, there isn't much in the town centre now. Boots have just moved from further up the street, Heron has moved into the old Boots from further up the street and a temporary xmas shop has opened in the old Heron. So, is Beverley honestly progressing? or is it still an image thing for Hull?

For example, I was with my girlfriend and she said, "Oh I love Beverley, I'd love to live in one of these houses" (pointing at the houses down Norwood) I said, what is soo special about them? to me they look just like the ones down Holderness Rd or Coltman Street in Hull - what's the difference? If anything, the Beverley ones would be a hell to park outside, the ones in Hull would not. She said "but yeah, the ones in Hull are full of chavs though" - I said "How do you know that? lived down there have you? met the residents?" how do you know they're chavs? you're just guessing they are! how do you know they aren't chavs in the Norwood ones?"

then we came to the traffic lights on Norwood - street corner, bunch of chavs, white lightning swigging - say no more.


And as for the new paving down the main shopping street in Beverley - my god it's awful! the old one was way better! they should have just made it all Yorkstone - it now looks like a polished up patchwork quilt with a grey mohican! completly unfitting with it's historic character.

hull should not be competing with its satellite towns. it should be working with them to benefit the whole city region. i do think there have been strides made in improving cooperation between local authorities recently the local area agreement was an important signal that the issues are recognised but sadly it is not really enforceable. its just a gentlemans agreement

Legolamb, i agree 100%. We are not as big as we like to think sometimes but if you were to take into account the whole of the Humber region we would be talking of a population approaching 1 million. I believe the economic region of Hull and Humber needs more power when it comes to attracting investment. Im not talking about an amalgamation of the local authorities again, more a metropolitan area including Grimsby and Scunthorpe on the south bank but split between the current local authorities.

I dont know if that makes sense to anyone, or if its even possible? Any thoughts?

Beverley looking to boost tourist trade

THE latest sculpture for the Beverley Town Trail will help to beef up tourism in the region.

Businessmen and tourism officials unveiled a two-and-a-half- metre high ox carcass, cut from a steel plate, in Butcher Row.

The sculpture is the 18th of 39 to be installed in Beverley to provide tourists with a journey of discovery into its fascinating past.

All of the artworks feature the guilds and craftsmen who provided an historic legacy for the town and made it what it is today.

The ox carcass, created by artist Chris Wormald, of Full Sutton, near Pocklington, represents the many butchers who worked in Beverley.

East Riding councillor Jane Evison, portfolio holder for tourism, said: "The trail is brilliant because it provides tourists with a wealth of information about our town.

"But the trail is not just there for visitors, it is also for residents and East Riding schoolchildren to enjoy while learning about Beverley.

"It is a wonderful example of what we can offer visitors and I'm delighted with the latest sculpture."

After seven years of planning, organisers are pleased to see the ambitious project get under way and hope it will attract more visitors.

Janet Reuben, chief executive of Visit Hull and East Yorkshire (VHEY), said: "The trail is a wonderful addition to the visitor experience of Beverley and helps raise the profile of this fascinating town even further.

"Beverley is one of the jewels in our crown and anything that provides yet another reason to come and explore the area is a welcome contribution."

The project is being managed by Mr Wormald, who said the latest sculpture in Butcher Row was one of the biggest in the series. He said: "The sculpture was inspired by Rembrandt's 1655 painting The Slaughterhouse and represents the medieval Beverley Butchers Guild."

VHEY sponsored the development of the trail in partnership with East Riding Council, Beverley Town Council, Heritage Lottery Fund, and local business sponsors.

Meant in the least heartless way possible, but;

Anyone else annoyed with all the 'Cockermouth' coverage?

1,000 people with damaged homes and 1 dead - non-stop coverage for days and instant government help.

17,000 people with damaged homes and 3 dead in Hull - took ages for the media and government to even take an interest!

Meant in the least heartless way possible, but;

Anyone else annoyed with all the 'Cockermouth' coverage?

1,000 people with damaged homes and 1 dead - non-stop coverage for days and instant government help.

17,000 people with damaged homes and 3 dead in Hull - took ages for the media and government to even take an interest!

thankgod somebody else said it. Completely agree.

thankgod somebody else said it. Completely agree.

Is there quantifiable way of proving that? I'd like to see a twitter-like trending comparision of press coverage for the both events - I'm sure our assumptions would be proved.:ohno:

Here; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6270236.stm

It took Carl Minns, the council leader to bring it to people's attention that Hull had been flooded, and more badly than other places which were getting media coverage - if he hadn't have spoken out, would the media have even bothered at all? they only started once he'd said something, so it was obviously through guilt and looking unprofessional that they bothered to in the end.

The key quote being; "If this was Chelsea or Fulham, this would have been plastered over the front pages for weeks"

I may be bias. But when did this media/government hatred of Hull start?

or am i just being a cynical Hullian?

It started when Hull stopped mattering. Governments of the 70's 'docked the city in the river' when they signed off the fishing rights to Iceland and in the 80's failed to create the East Coast motorway links leaving the Humber Bridge riddled in debt and a white elephant. The 'industrial town with a population of 750,000' on the south bank never happened, probably because of the tolls on the bridge. Saying that people still vote the parties that dont care in. There is far too much complacency with the influential people too..

Hard working people, let down generations ago, have turned into people waiting for someone to come and do something for them. They became institutionalised due to being jobless, spreading the belief there is nothing for them down through their kids etc except a life on the dole. Hence Hull then becomes the laughing stock of the country in the media et al.

Dont get me wrong, there are still true working people in Hull with the working class ethic, yet they lack skilled trades and wages are low. This is no incentive for big business to invest in the city, added to that the remote location, and you have a city dependent on public money. Its an institutionalised city.

How to change this i have no idea, certainly need far more people standing up for our corner in the mainstream media and in the government that is for sure.

the media bias started about the time the 'meja' become obsessed with all things London... whilst London bias existed before, strong regional (I will not use the derogatory p word) media provided a balance. Since the 1980s these have declined, and the rise in 'league tables' for every subject has meant that those at the bottom are easy targets - unfortunately due to number of factors (oft discussed here) Hull used to dominate the lower rungs...
there is also another theory that since quality of life in London has declined (violent crime up, threat of terrorism, gangs, overcrowding, decline of community) the media are criticising other areas so London residents don't feel so bad! (not my theory)

as for flood coverage... as was once mentioned in the media themselves - raging waters and rescue helicopters make better viewing than the floods we had in Hull

I remember when I was at uni and someone on here did me a detailed reason behind this, it's on the original thread somewhere - had quotes from books throughout history and everything...

I remember when I was at uni and someone on here did me a detailed reason behind this, it's on the original thread somewhere - had quotes from books throughout history and everything...

would love to see that :colgate:

hey, not been on here for a long time. Nice to see we have a forum now :banana:

Anyhow I've come hunting some statistics. Does anyone have any information on spending within the city? Or some information on increase in restaurants, hotels etc in the city? Need to compare any stats with Hull's last season in the Championship and the first/second in the Premiership.

A good place to find stuff like that is the hull bid site. Under the meeting minutes. Don't think it's been updated for a while though. I'd also try the council site

it might be possible to find something for season 1 of the premiership (financial year 08/09) but unlikely, the last year of championship (financial year 07/08) will be more readily available - but as you can see the periods will overlap slightly (financial years running April to March)

it might be possible to find something for season 1 of the premiership (financial year 08/09) but unlikely, the last year of championship (financial year 07/08) will be more readily available - but as you can see the periods will overlap slightly (financial years running April to March)

this is where part of my problem lies. I have to look at the impact Hull City's promotion has had on the city in terms of policing economic and social. the policing aspect of it i have using some stats from the home office however as much as I know we have an increase in hotels I need something to back it up.
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Well for a start, you only have to look at Londesboro Rd, bad run-down area - even with St.Stephen's so close by, since City have been in the Prem, the pub has re-opened and gets a good trade, the chippy is always packed on a matchday and a newsagents has opened too, as well as the army building being more looked after now.

also remember championship season was pre credit crunch! this will alter the baseline in terms of additional benefits city in the premier league bring to the economy...

tough job if you ask me!

Naturally, as the recession bites, snippets of info and new proposals are drying up.

But spare a thought for 'Jim' here.

Found this while googling. It appears our hero has posted 494 PAGES of threads since february, but as far as I can tell, he's not had a reply yet.

Go on Jimbo! It's gonna happen someday! (http://yourhull.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4)

Wishing you all the best this Christmas and New Year.

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originally posted by DarkMyson on the Hull Flickr pool

Yes, yes, I too would like to wish you all a merry politically-correct non-denominational 'Winterfest'-type holiday, and a happy new Gregorian calendar reset. :cheers:

I'm not sure where to put this link but this is an interesting website which focuses on urban design in Hull.

http://hullnow.co.uk/

There appears to be an awful lot of thought gone into some of the concepts and ideas.

Hey everyone,

Sorry if this breaks a few rules about the place, not exactly architecture based. But I've been reading this forum for some time and thought that your passion for Hull might extend to this...

I'm launching a new podcast for Hull, covering Gigs, Nightclubs, Reviews etc. It will hopefully be fortnightly, with the first launching this coming monday (January 4th)

The website is www.hullondemand.blogspot.com I'm happy to delete this if you just think I'm spamming, but I would appreciate any feedback etc (and if you have any information that could be included, that would be good too!)

Cheers!

(also, as a special treat, there's a hint to East Yorkshire's most famous landmark in our logo!)

Good luck with it HOD.

I've bookmarked the blog.

Any chance you could stick a link to here on there?

Some half decent concepts (especially for St Andrew's Dock) and well executed in graphic design terms, but to be honest in aesthetic urban planning and design terms 90% of it is either dated, bland or just plain baffling.

In some particularly unfortunate cases cases, all three:
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I thought this would be a good thread idea;

the listing of (in)famous quotes about Hull.


"Hull is the most poetic city in England"
Autralian author - Peter Porter.

"God told me to go to Hull"
JayJay Okocha


What's the quote about people saying Hull is at the end of the tracks, with the reply something about it actually being the start?

"Somewhere on the surface of the moon is a little piece of Hull"

George William Gray-

Hull University professor who first discovered cyanobiphenyl liquid crystals (which had correct stability and temperature properties for application in Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) technology) an important component in the Apollo moon landings

'From Hull, Hell and Halifax, Good Lord deliver us'

A popular distorting of context from 17th century poet John Taylor's verse - 'The Halifax Gibbet'

The actual explanation of which goes like this:

http://www.yorkshirehistory.com/gibbet/index.htm
Hull in those days was so well governed in vagrancy laws, that beggars had little chance of acquiring sustenance by begging without doing hard labour for it; and anyone caught stealing property to the value of thirteen-pence-halfpenny in Halifax was..(guilotined)..; Hell of cause, speaks for its self.”

I've always admired the t-shirts labelled:

'It's never dull in Hull'


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I didn't know where to put this discussion, considering we don't have a 'skybar'.

Last week I went on a mini-cruise to Rotterdam for the first time, having visited Amsterdam a couple of times.

I now see why Hull and Rotterdam are twinned. An old town area, a new town area, a waterfront, docks, working class ethics, random street sculptures (though Rotterdam has much more), a museum (quarter) park.

After spending the day there, all I could think was 'This is Hull with investment!' It was like looking at what Hull could be, if only people would invest money in the city. Rotterdam hasn't lost it's working class ethics, but at the same time has accepted new culture. Even with investment, the place was still quite grimey and dirty and had out of centre Orchard Park-type areas still, so no matter how much people moan on the Hull Daily Mail site, even if Hull sees masses of investment, it'll always have it's working class rough edges.

One thing I really liked about Rotterdam was their appreciation for architecture - good or bad, new or old. The majority of new builds in Hull are often followed with the comments of "It's ugly, it's horrible, I don't like that!" People seem to dislike change - In Rotterdam it seems their eager to keep their historic buildings and culture, but adapt them to fit a new way of use (ala Bev Rd picturehouse bomb site). All their old warehouses are now bistros, cafes, boutiques and antique shops, yet all keep their original features. Rotterdamers are also very open to new design (ala the white, pink and blue tube with square on top design for Humber Quays phase 2).

I visited the NAi museum - The Netherlands Architecture institute. The ground floor exhibition was great and praised buildings for being daring enough to be built in their time. i.e. buildings which, may not be praised now as such, but were being praised for how good they were at the time they were built. Some of the buildings being praised, if built in Hull would have been met with the same "ugly" "don't like it" "horrible" type comments. Rotterdam makes you see certain buildings in a different light... I nipped into town the other day and thought how Europa House would be praised to high heaven in Rotterdam, as would a couple of the 60s/70s looking buildings opposite the Portland Hotel.

On the top floor of NAi was a section about housing developments/design and I looked at the style of housing being built across Holland with envy. All I could think is 'why oh why does everything here have to resemble a cheap Barratt Home, here?' The most wacky/alternative design of a house I could think of in Hull is something like this, just off Castle Street:

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Hull could really look to Rotterdam as inspiration for the future. Maybe be a little more open to new ideas/architecture. Take a leaf out of Rotterdam's book - if it's old, keep it - convert it, no matter what. If it's post-WW2 and looks good, keep it, spruce it up if needs be. If it's post-WW2 and looks crap ala Telephone House - don't be afraid to knock it down and build something newer and better looking, or at least don't be afraid to add modern/new componants to the building to make it look good & finally; wherever space is available - anything goes (as long as it's not completely naff!) Who knows, maybe Wilberforce health centre, history centre, the new river Hull bridge and the LA-site youth centre will be the start of something?

Other examples could be taken from Rotterdam - everything they have to offer is out on show. I looked at the Hull museums collections online the other day and the amount of collections followed by 'currently not on display' was crazy. Sonnerveld Huis in Rotterdam is amazing to view - a 1930s house lived in by Mr.Sonnerveld and his family, who was into his gadgets and had his house built/rooms decorated how he believed a house of the future would look - you get a really wierd feeling of walking round, as it's soo retro to us, yet modern in a funny kind of way. It made me wonder why something like Madame Clapham's old salon hasn't been bought for use as a museum and reverted back to how she'd have had it in her day. Or why a 'People of Hull' museum hasn't been created to feature people such as Madame Clapham, Ebenezer Cobb Morley, Cuthbert Broderick, Amy Johnson e.t.c. the amount of information available now due to the net which has been found about these people along with the collections Hull museums have to accompany them if phenomenal!

Rotterdam had boats docked up, such as an old lightship, but had many other old, historic boats to accompany it. We have Arctic Corsair - why not attempt to buy a Humber barge, the Lincoln Castle - humber ferry, HMS Bounty replica and have a big collection to look around. It would keep tourists in Hull longer, and bring more in too! On the same note, why is Amy Johnson's plane located in London? Hull City Council should have snapped these up in the past.

Another thing they do well, as does most of Holland - cycling!
I really do think Hull City Council should look at creating Hull city centre bike lanes/routes. IF planned well, they WOULD work.

Here are a few of my photo's of the buildings I saw in Rotterdam;

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Also, there was a symbol on all the NAi/architecture stuff in the city... notice anything familiar :lol:

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Maybe along with conversation, this thread could be used to post, post-WW2 builds in Hull which would fit the bill - Europa House, anlaby Rd flats, Britannia House e.t.c.

I totally agree. I love Rotterdam as a city, and comparisons with Hull aside I think it is a perfect example to ALL British cities of how we should have rebuilt after the war.

The Dutch do have a definite, certain sense of style that we lack though. Just look at the way the likes of the cubehouses are decorated internally. There is a retro affection for 60's / 70's modernism (a lot of orange, formica and brown varnished wood etc.) but always with a contemporary twist.

I think the fact that this sort of modernism was appreciated in the architecture of continental cities and accepted by the public at large is why it still seems fresh today. It was the English that invented the term NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) after all, as a reflection of the way in which we dismissed post-war architecture in a small minded hope of getting back some of the old 'glory' of Empire. It was basically seen as a rejection of history, which is a ludicrous stance in my view.

For example, the old harbour areas - the Leuvehaven etc. in Rotterdam are preserved and cherished for their heritage status, yet are still surrounded by bold, modern buildings and public spaces.

BTW: Did you check out the view from the top of the Euromaast?

Incredible really, when you think that Rotterdam is basically similar population-wise to somewhere like Sheffield.

No, I never got chance - you don't get long enough really. I would have had chance, but it was mainly for my girlfriend's birthday and she wanted to check out the shops, lol!

I get what you mean - I'm just thinking something like the designs for the new youth centre, although seem quite garish in colour, if done well, could start to change people's perceptions, what with it's central location?

My girlfriend's grandparents are firmly in the nimby pigeonhole, lol. When I showed them the pictures, straight away I got "Ohh no, I don't like that. I don't like them at all" lol.

As for cycle-lanes. A lot of the paths in Hull are stupidly wide, I don't know why they aren't used for a cycle route, or widen the road for cars - Park street is a perfect example.

Another difference - I know the new Fruit Market is very good for the traders e.t.c.

but when you compare it to the new market/fruit market which I walked by the contruction of in Rotterdam;

http://freshome.com/2009/11/22/new-market-in-rotterdam-shaped-like-a-tunnel-a-new-approach-to-urban-architecture/

Thanks to Google street maps, I can elaborate on something - the 2 buildings opposite the Portland Hotel are;

Commerce House and the Building (well the bit above) Bradford & Bingley.

2 Buildings nobody will notice or care to notice here, but in Rotterdam would be praised.

For all the former "This is Your Mail" Posters . .

If you would like to join in?

Maybe you would treat it as the seed for other threads to follow? Feel free, for we have to start somewhere. :lol:

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Welcome to all. Please bear in mind that the forum is primarily for the constructive discussion of architecture, urban and economic development in our great city. However, there are also threads dedicated to the citys history, culture and local events, so i'm sure everybody will find something of interest.

We are now a well established part of the Skyscrapercity boards with many longstanding, friendly and knowledgable posters who will make you feel at home.

So, thanks for signing up and happy posting!

Sorry about the earlier misunderstanding that led to deletion of threads AR-Tony and Barrow, and welcome to the North East England Forum of Skyscraper City.

As legolamb says, we have many excellent threads, on a wide variety of "Urbanism-related" topics, and I hope you enjoy contributing to them!

Remember the Skyscraper City slogan, at the bottom of each page, says "In urbanity we trust", and that indicates the type of topics and subjects (as you can see from our thread-list) that we cover on here.

have a chat
Ha! Barrow, what a mess around:nuts: ~giggle~ I thought I had really lost the thread, as, on n off, across the day, I kept looking for your post and mine had also disappeared. I was saying to m'sen," Why you dumb so n so, you can't do a simple thing like this. I suppose my thread is surplus to requirements. I will stick with yours. As for subject matter:lol: there is a marked shortage of skyscrapers round these here parts. I wonder if a cheerful pickie of Orchard Park Flats would inspire? Somehow I think not. We really need Mike Covell and Bob Carter. All those wonderful photographs that Colombo posted under "A book is born" it will be tragic if they are lost when the HDM pull the pug. :ohno:Tony

There is an 'Old Hull and East riding pictures' thread on here for that, along with a thread for photo's taken now.

We've had plenty of pics of Orchard Park flats elsewhere in this section.

Feel free to post some more though. Always interesting for those with thoughts on post-war town planning and so called 'slum clearance'.

Truth is, there are no skyscrapers in the whole country if you look at it on a relative global scale, which somewhat makes the whole concept of a UK section flawed, and means that people discuss other aspects of our towns and cities.

So...do we repeat the 'slum' clearance mistakes of the past in Hull and tear down the orchard park flats, or should there be a policy of improvement? ie: providing amenities and living accomodation that makes the minority of anti-social tenants more aspirational?

I suppose parallells can be drawn with the slum clearance of This Is Your Mail users into a more refined and genteel corner of the world wide web. We hope some of the quality of civilised discussion rubs off and enlightens you ruffians. ;)

Now where's the one they call 'The Agitator'? Since Cynical Dave's post count has dropped we could do with an unremittingly negative doom and gloom merchant to cross swords with from time to time.

Question from Barrow on TIYM..

How do you use Skybar.Can it in the Humberside section and any chance of setting a Your Mail up for us?

Anybody can set up a new thread from the 'Humberside' menu. It's in the top left. Newcastle Historian is the moderator for the North East section, of which this Humberside subforum makes up a part, so you could ask him to make the skybar a 'sticky' so it stays at the top of the thread list at all times.

Alternatively, he could rename this thread... In which case, over to you NH :)

Hi all! Well I managed to get this far. There some others I would hope to follow us but please, not all. And ahem Legolamb...Ruffians????

Ruffians Tigerlilly.

Welcome aboard, anyhoo. :)

Somehow I think not. We really need Mike Covell and Bob Carter. All those wonderful photographs that Colombo posted under "A book is born" it will be tragic if they are lost when the HDM pull the pug.

Clicking on the Humberside link at the top takes you to the full list of threads for our section. If Mike or Bob want to post in the photographs thread, it's easy (anybody can do this by the way) - they just need to click on the 'Insert Image' tab at the top of the message box and paste the image URL from their host photos account.

Here's one I prepared earlier....

Where am I?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/johnsjc/freedomfestival193-1.jpg

Alternatively, he could rename this thread... In which case, over to you NH :)


Hi legolamb,

I have been meaning to suggest, for a while, that we had a skybar on this forum.

The other three forums have them, and they are quite popular, particularly (as I'm sure you have seen) the one on the Newcastle Forum, which is very heavily used.

A skybar is for any and all (hopefully) of the "off-topic" / "chat" type posts, that are not specifically urbanism-related and that do not fit in with the 'normal' (more serious) threads on the forum.

Is that what you are asking for . . . and do you want me to convert this thread into a skybar for that purpose?

I'm happy to do so, if that is what the forum wants. I will "sticky" it to the top of the forum, and will then probably "un-sticky" the Feedback thread.

Let me know . . .

N H, I like the Skybar idea. The other matter... Surely, if there exists any links on here to HDM's Your Mail Pictures images n whatnot, they and the link to them cannot survive HDM's pulling the plug? I could have asked Paul Johnson about that when we spoke earlier, but I am so annoyed with him, HDM and the whole Northcliffe company right now, I would rather not speak to 'em. Family members worked on the Mail. They would be really sickened by the way Northcliffe has deserted our city. The HDM news is old copy edited in the early hours. I am disgusted with them. Thanks for looking out for us N H. Ha! And so to bed.

Your welcome, AR-Tony. If you have some Hull photos on HDM, that you think might be good on the Hull & East Riding Photography thread, on here, then when HDM closes down (if you 'link' from there) then they will be lost on here too.

What I do, if I am at all concerned about sites with photos on I would like to upload onto here, I download them to my own hard drive and the upload to my own "Photobucket" account (or whatever) and post them here from there!

Don't forget though, if these are not photos taken by yourself, remember to always "give credit" under SSC guidelines, as I explain HERE . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=56987559&postcount=34

legolamb, further to my note a few posts back, do you wish the skybar proposal to go ahead?

Yeah go for it NH. :)

Yeah go for it NH. :)

Ha ha . . . here we go!!

They have been a BIG SUCCESS in Newcastle, Teesside and Sunderland, now here is the "BIGGEST AND THE BEST" . . .

. . . the new "HULL & HUMBER SKYBAR" !!!

Hi, Tigerlily, as you can see, I finally found my way here. Looks like we have a new home having been evicted from our previous hovel at Blunder Buildings. I do get the impression, however, that some of the nastier postings would find short shrift on here since it appears to be well regulated, something which Your Mail was definitely not in its death throes.

Sorry, folks, I missed saying "Hi" to any of the Your Mail crowd who moved over to this site. I look forward to chatting with you all at some later date.

Hi, Tigerlily, as you can see, I finally found my way here. Looks like we have a new home having been evicted from our previous hovel at Blunder Buildings. I do get the impression, however, that some of the nastier postings would find short shrift on here since it appears to be well regulated, something which Your Mail was definitely not in its death throes.


Hi, and welcome alanmackinnon.

You are correct in what you say above, though I hope that there will never be any posts (or 'posters') that require moderation!!

This is an excellent community on here, we all get on very well and have the shared interest of urbanism (to give it its 'Skyscraper City' name) in the Hull & Humber and wider North East England areas.

Well i have had to change my name a little, but not to worry. Its a little like arriving at a party that you know a few people but your not comfy yet. Although i do like all these emotions you can use :bash::banana::cheers:

Well i have had to change my name a little, but not to worry. Its a little like arriving at a party that you know a few people but your not comfy yet. Although i do like all these emotions you can use :bash::banana::cheers:
Hi Ollly, great to see you here, now I am happy. Pray do tell did my directions help or~chuckle~ hinder?:cheers: Tony

Great to see Ollly here and by heck he's brought more L with him. Ha! Good man!

Coo

Nice to see the HDM lot arriving. I was Tony-Poskitt but now under another name.
Looking forward to more photos of bygone Hull. Also other areas in this fantastic forum.

It would be great if we could start up some threads on a similar line to `shops that were household names` or `where am I`. I think I`ll start with "Cinama`s we`ve loved and lost"

Hallow AR tony.Just trying out this site to see how it works

It would be great if we could start up some threads on a similar line to `shops that were household names` or `where am I`. I think I`ll start with "Cinama`s we`ve loved and lost"

Hi, Tiger, sounds like a pretty good idea for a thread to me. Hows about I start on Beverley Road with "The Strand" , "The National" and "The Mayfair" and on Newland Avenue with "The Monica". Names from my mis-spent youth when you could get in a picture house for a jam jar. happy days, eh?

I think my earliest recollection is being taken to see the Wizard of Oz at the Royalty when I was 3. Then at the age of about 8 being allowed to ABC Minors Mattinees with friends. We felt really grown up going on the bus without adults, couldn`t imagine it nowadays.

Ruffians Tigerlilly.

Welcome aboard, anyhoo. :)



Clicking on the Humberside link at the top takes you to the full list of threads for our section. If Mike or Bob want to post in the photographs thread, it's easy (anybody can do this by the way) - they just need to click on the 'Insert Image' tab at the top of the message box and paste the image URL from their host photos account.

Here's one I prepared earlier....

Where am I?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/johnsjc/freedomfestival193-1.jpg

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Easy - River Hull- just north of Streetlife museum...

Well, it seems that most (if not all) of the former Your Mail new posters, have opted not to move here to Skyscraper City, and they have set up their own forum to replace the 'Your Mail' site.

Best of luck to them, I'm sure their new site will be a success, I've been on it a few times (as I have on the 'Your Mail' site) and they have some good threads and posts on there already.

My message to them is, that you are still registered on here so you are as welcome to post, at any time, as any of our other posters on here are!

Well, as an aside, we have at least now got our "off-topic/chat type post" thread set up (as a result of the 'Your Mail' posters joining, though I was about to suggest one anyway) in the form of the "Hull & Humber Skybar", which all four forums on the North East England sub-forum, now have their own version of.

The opening post of this Skybar thread, explains what it's all about!

Hi All Doddy here hope your all well. Doddy the Man of Laughter!!!!

Here is a mucky joke for everyone!!! A white horse fell in a muddy puddle!!! Doddy.

On a very Serious note though How far do we think the proposed cut backs will affect us which the coalition government are predicting and will it happen through the coming budget.

Knock Knock!!!! Whose There!!!!Doctor!!!! Doctor Who!!!! lol.

Hi All Doddy here hope your all ok found this site by chance it is Brilliant hope I can make you laugh!!!! Here is one ? Knock Knock!! Whose there!! Doctor!! Doctor Who!! Lol:cheers:

By for now the Laughter Man. Doddy!!!!

There is nobody on here at the moment doddy. Ta.

;)

Hello and welcome anybody who's new to this forum. :)

Yep. Seconded.

If anybody is interested, I've got an update about those arrests in town earlier.

Two blokes had been spotted drinking battery acid and eating fireworks in Queen Victoria Square.

Latest is that one was charged and the other was let off.

I know the Skybar isn't just about 'jokes', but seeing as there's a few on at the moment . . .


The Government are worried about the declining birth rate, and doctors are saying it has been caused by the number of men these days with 'small penises'.

So, the government are trying to establish if that is statistically correct, and so have asked every man with a small penis to fly a white flag with a red cross on it from their car . . .




(Not strictly local either, but I like it!)

Nice one Newcastle Historian Just took my Flag of my car lol.

Ok, let's get this Skybar rolling...

So, The Hull Daily Mail. KUH has stated on here he believe's it does nothing for the city and only promotes the negative.

It does publicise good food guides and the occasional 'good message', but far from what it could do. It just seems to focus on the negative. I reckon they don't actually have any reporters that research anything going on in this city, they rely on people getting in contact with them and the only research the reporters do is sit on the phone to Humberside police and sit at Hull Crown Court.

Take today's paper for example:

HULL MAN jailed for life for cutting victim's throat and setting fire to his body
That is their main headline/main story of the day - frontpage news.

It's a story about a man who lives in Scunthorpe who killed a man and burned his body at Brigg, he once lived in Hull.

Their next biggest story is:
Warning over rogue trader gangs after cowboy admits fleecing pensioners
A man from East Hull ripped-off pensioners by charging them for shoddy work.

a look through the past few days, it's all either death, murder, closures, debts, trials, disease, crime, poor-schooling.... with the odd charity event story in to stop it being all doom and gloom.

Heck, I think these guys could make a more upbeat newspaper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZJqqrr6jk

you only have to look at who owns the HDM to realise its agenda... (and remember bad news sells!)

it occassionally does the odd good news and investigative piece but most of the time its tabloid reporting or regurgatating press releases.

Mitie cleaning services recently took over a lucrative contract in Hull. Has anyone had any dealings with the company and, more to the point, had any problems?

? We use them where I work no problems and cleanliness v.important (just remember to crack the whip)

Thanks livin` Hull, what I really need is employees of mitie and how they are being treated by the company.

I think that most 'local newspapers' are good for getting information and photos of 'Developments', that are often useful to then post onto websites like this one.

Ok, let's get this Skybar rolling...

So, The Hull Daily Mail. KUH has stated on here he believe's it does nothing for the city and only promotes the negative.

It does publicise good food guides and the occasional 'good message', but far from what it could do. It just seems to focus on the negative. I reckon they don't actually have any reporters that research anything going on in this city, they rely on people getting in contact with them and the only research the reporters do is sit on the phone to Humberside police and sit at Hull Crown Court.

Take today's paper for example:

HULL MAN jailed for life for cutting victim's throat and setting fire to his body
That is their main headline/main story of the day - frontpage news.

It's a story about a man who lives in Scunthorpe who killed a man and burned his body at Brigg, he once lived in Hull.

Their next biggest story is:
Warning over rogue trader gangs after cowboy admits fleecing pensioners
A man from East Hull ripped-off pensioners by charging them for shoddy work.

a look through the past few days, it's all either death, murder, closures, debts, trials, disease, crime, poor-schooling.... with the odd charity event story in to stop it being all doom and gloom.

Heck, I think these guys could make a more upbeat newspaper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZJqqrr6jk

Thats all papers baring the Finacial Times do these days Darren. Bad news sells so on a local level it will always be bad news. And a national level celebrity scandal and bad news.

Hi Tigerlilly

Can you let me know what the purpose of this thread is, please?

As you know, this forum is for the 'general discussion' of Urbanism, and Urban-related issues (developments etc) in the Hull and Humber area.

We do not get involved in issues concerning (for example) "company or companies behaviour and treatment of their staff".

Please let me know, Thanks.

Should be in the Skybar really, IMO.

Here's another one that could get the rest of the North-East members of SSC contributing;

Where do all the nicknames originate from in the North-East?

They seem more common/commonly used in the North-East area too compared to the rest of the country.

I.e.

Newcastle - Geordies
Sunderland - Mackems
South-Sheilds - Sand-Dancers (Or tango men if you're a Phil Brown look-a-like)
Hartlepool - Monkey-Hangers
Middlesboro - Smoggies
Hull - Hullygullies
Grimsby - Codheads
Lincoln/Lincolnshire - Yellowbellies

I'm not a retard, I know the majority of the reasons behind them, but some are only vague and I thought it'd be cool to have clarification as well as thinking it would be good to see how they originated as nicknames.

Should be in the Skybar really, IMO.

Tend to agree, if anywhere.

Hull - Hullygullies


Excuse me. I'll have you know I'm actually a 'mudrat'. ;)

I'm not sure on some, but I got called a 'Hullygully' when I was in Newcastle. What does it actually mean as a term?

Here's another one that could get the rest of the North-East members of SSC contributing;

Where do all the nicknames originate from in the North-East?

They seem more common/commonly used in the North-East area too compared to the rest of the country.

I.e.

Newcastle - Geordies
Sunderland - Mackems
South-Sheilds - Sand-Dancers (Or tango men if you're a Phil Brown look-a-like)
Hartlepool - Monkey-Hangers
Middlesboro - Smoggies
Hull - Hullygullies
Grimsby - Codheads
Lincoln/Lincolnshire - Yellowbellies

I'm not a retard, I know the majority of the reasons behind them, but some are only vague and I thought it'd be cool to have clarification as well as thinking it would be good to see how they originated as nicknames.

Geordies is because the minors in Newcastle stuck with a George lamp instead of a new invention, it's also incorrectly thought to go by how people in Newcastle supported King George in the Civil war.

Mackems is because Geordies toook the micky out of them because they made things and other places took them (bought them), and in Geordie language we said, you mack em, and we tack em.

Sandancers I'm not too sure about.

Smoggies is because Gerodies and Mackems took the micky out of people from Middlesbrough because of all the chemicals they pumped into the air which created smog, so Smoggies we called them.

Another interesting one is Monkey hangers. That is in reference to people from Hartlepool, who during a war sentenced a Monkey to death because they thought he was spying for the other side, so they hung the Monkey.

The others I have no idea about.

Geordie - There's still the argument about whether it's to do with Newcastle miners being the only ones to use the "Geordie" lamp, created by George Stephenson, or whether it's because we supported King George during some war (although I forget which one).

Mackem - Because of the rivalry in shipbuilding, where the shipyards on the Wear ended up getting contracts to create the hulls of the ships, but the more expensive (and skilled) fit-out work still happened on the Tyne - hence "They mack 'em, we tack 'em".

Monkey-hanger - A monkey was once found from a ship (how the ship came to be in Hartlepool and whether anyone else was aboard I have no idea) and the locals actually thought it was a French spy, so they hung it.

They're the only ones I have any idea on and I could be wrong about those!

I'm not sure on some, but I got called a 'Hullygully' when I was in Newcastle. What does it actually mean as a term?

The Hully Gully was a 1950's dance craze. It just sounds to me as if some bright spark has thought it would be one of the funniest things ever to call somebody from Hull as a one-off. I don't believe it is an 'official' term of abuse, just a cringeworthy comedian committing an epic fail.

Mackem - Because of the rivalry in shipbuilding, where the shipyards on the Wear ended up getting contracts to create the hulls of the ships, but the more expensive (and skilled) fit-out work still happened on the Tyne - hence "They mack 'em, we tack 'em".
I have a friend from Sunderland who is a bit of an historian and proud of his city and who doesn't fully agree with this.

Its more to do with accents - the Newcastle accents are closer to Northumbrian and the Sunderland accents are closer to County Durham and differ mainly in their vowel sounds.
The "a" sound in "make" is pronounced slightly more like an "e" by Newcastle folk ("make" would be slightly towards "meck") and its pronounced slightly more like an open "a" by Sunderland people ("make" would be more like "mack"). The difference between the two is strongly noticeable to the ears of people living in Sunderland and Newcastle.
So in fact Geordies don't say "makem" when they mean "make them", they're exagerating the way peope from Sunderland would say the word, referring more to their accent than to shipbuilding!

That's my friend's strongly held theory, anyway!

Here's another one that could get the rest of the North-East members of SSC contributing;

Where do all the nicknames originate from in the North-East?

They seem more common/commonly used in the North-East area too compared to the rest of the country.

I.e.

Newcastle - Geordies
Sunderland - Mackems
South-Sheilds - Sand-Dancers (Or tango men if you're a Phil Brown look-a-like)
Hartlepool - Monkey-Hangers
Middlesboro - Smoggies
Hull - Hullygullies
Grimsby - Codheads
Lincoln/Lincolnshire - Yellowbellies

I'm not a retard, I know the majority of the reasons behind them, but some are only vague and I thought it'd be cool to have clarification as well as thinking it would be good to see how they originated as nicknames.

I've got no idea about these ones, I'd be interested to know though, could someone explain?

Smoggies is because Gerodies and Mackems took the micky out of people from Middlesbrough because of all the chemicals they pumped into the air which created smog, so Smoggies we called them.

Another interesting one is Monkey hangers. That is in reference to people from Hartlepool, who during a war sentenced a Monkey to death because they thought he was spying for the other side, so they hung the Monkey.


Exactly right there Chris, used by the Mackems and Geordies to take the mick, but was then adopted by the Teessiders as it gave us our own identity of which we didn't real have one nationally and allowed Teessiders to take the mick out of themselves too. ANother one reffereed too was Smog Monsters which i think was the original which later morphed into Smoggies. Although most of the smog from teesside blows off over your lots way, leaving us with the fresh air! :cheers:

Sandancer - It's related to the 1900s-20s when all the Arabs came over from Yemen to live in the old Holborn area of South Shields. Over 3,000 of them.

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http://me.andering.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dutch_flag_minbuza.jpg

LOL!

I was going to say - a lot of the musicians it seems are Hull based (based on the credits) Yet the only view of Hull as a city was some grafiti on the Chapman St (?) bridge.

I wondered why there were no shots of the marina, old town or especially Whitefriargate... but then I thought it wouldn't fit it, as it probably has more in common with The Netherlands.

Speaking of which...I found this interesting piece the other day

Rembrandt back in Hull after 400-year absence

Picture perfect: Christine Brady, assistant keeper of art, with one of the 60 Rembrandt prints to go on display at the Ferens Art Gallery. Picture: Terry Carrott.

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Published Date: 08 April 2006
Alexandra Wood
HE was one of the greatest artists of all time – and may have even visited Hull.
The 400th anniversary of the death of Rembrandt – a master printmaker as well as a painter – is being marked with an exhibition in the city, featuring some of his most sought-after etchings.
And an 18th century commentator even suggested the 17th century artist may have visited Hull, the venue for the launch of the touring exhibition by the Hayward Gallery and British Museum.
The selection of 60 prints was being hung yesterday at the the city's Ferens Art Gallery.
Christine Brady, assistant keeper of art at the gallery, said there were several reasons why Hull was chosen as a venue.
"For a start we have an amazing collection of Dutch works because of Hull's location and trading links with the Netherlands.
"There is also a very remote possibility that Rembrandt visited Hull.
"He hated travelling... but there is a small part in his life which is unaccounted for and there is a very intriguing historical source which suggests he might have been in Hull."
The reference comes from diarist George Vertue in 1713, who noted "Rembrandt van Rijn was in England, li'd at Hull in Yorkshire."
Ms Brady said: "Were Vertue's comments based on good authority? At the moment we cannot dismiss it as there is no proof that he was wrong."
Rembrandt, 1606-1669, has been dubbed the first modern etcher – he produced more than 300 prints over 40 years, ranging from biblical scenes, landscapes and character studies to self-portraits.
She added: "The prints are of outstanding quality and we're delighted to work in partnership with the Hayward Gallery and the British Museum, who own one of the world's finest collections of Rembrandt's graphic work, to bring such masterpieces to Hull."

I've read that Rembrandt painted many Hull scenes whilst he was here, but they were lost in a fire when Pease House was destroyed. Think what they would be worth now

More random than anything;

Out of curiosity, if a magazine or website was to be for the Hull and East riding area, but laddish in style and content, along the lines of Nuts and Zoo, what would fit as a good name? Just something I've been discussing with someone.

I've thought of;

Ed1 (Edward the 1st, not very laddish though)
Junction (sounds lads mag-like?)
Venn (sounds like a lads mag, but is also Hull orientated)
Estuary (as above)
Wagon (sounds lads mag-like?)
Keith (sounds lads mag-like? and quite comical)
Rack (sounds lads mag-like?)
Jugs (sounds lads mag-like?)
Ledge (sounds lads mag-like?)
Stripes (sounds lads mag-like? and each pro sporting team in the city has some form of a stripe/s on their shirts)
Berthia (sounds lads mag-like? and Hull connections)
Parlour (sounds lads mag-like?)
Portside (sounds lads mag-like? and Hull is Portside)
Galore (sounds lads mag-like?)
&
Kisser (sounds lads mag-like?)

Maybe should have gone in Skybar? Ah well ... (EDIT : "OK THEN! - NH)

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Apparently the phrase "You're taking the piss!" comes from Hull!

Heard it on a Heritage Open Days open-top bus tour... couldn't hear the full story as the mic wasn't very loud.

Something to do with urine being used in a certain product or something or used for something and jars of urine became very useful and was actually worth money and so people would sell jars of their own to shipping companies in the city who would barrel it and export it.

The phrase came from the popular joke;
bloke 1: "So, what you got in the barrels?"
sailor: "White Wine, want to try some?"
bloke 1: "Ahh, you're taking the piss!"

tah-dah! lol.

I know that urine was an important treatment for felt in the hat-making industry before the industrial revolution mechanized the process. They also used Mercury which apparently sent workers mad - hence 'mad as a hatter'!

Same old pretentious Beverley...

Wetherspoon pub chain appeals council's decision to turn down town plan
Pub chain JD Wetherspoon has launched an appeal against East Riding Council's decision to refuse it planning permission for a site in the town.

The company wants to turn the disused Agricultural House, in New Walkergate, into a pub.

The original application, revealed in the Mail, suggested changing the former National Farmers' Union headquarters into a Wetherspoons and adding a single-storey extension to the property.

The council refused the application, saying it would be detrimental and out of character.

Weatherspoons have been trying to buy and get planning permission to turn the terrible clothes factor shop on Newland Avenue into a pub and massive beer garden.

And have been turned down 3/4 times i've been told, based on it not been in keeping with the area.

is Hull pretensious or is it protecting other bars and restaurants in that area- i think the latter

Maybe they should build 3 giant ones for the chavs of Orchard park, Bransholme and Preston Road estates keep them away from the city centre and starting shit with people based on pure jealously because most can afford more than 4 pints of shit stella and 20 benson and hedges and because most of us get our arses out bed in the morning and work- if they is no jobs in Hull MOVE where they is jobs look at York- Sheffield-Leeds- Manchester anywhere get some pride!!!! and stop scrounging!!! and do what most people in London do every day spend 2-4 hours a day comuting or move where there is jobs and out of a tiny bubble they live in.

And next to it build a pit for them all to beat the shit out of each other in after last orders (just a thought and dream)

Anyway back on track :)

Don't blame them Weatherspoons are appalling places, cheap shit booze (unless your into bitter) no atmosphere, just places for those who should be spending there money on feeding there kids or on themselves by maybe buying at least some fruit and veg a day to get smashed in from 10am

Good on Beverley turning down this awful chain that's destroyed thousands of pubs in England by undercutting everyone.

Been to one decent Weatherspoons in my life and that's in Putney by the bridge.

So well done Beverley

I don't think the refusal on the clothes factor site is because it's a wetherspoons - more that there is a ceiling limit on the amount of drinking establishments in the avenues due to it being a residential area and there is a fear it is reaching a tipping point. I assume the application was to change the grading from a retail unit to food and drink (might be wrong though)

I agree that there is nothing wrong with ERYC turning down the beverley app in that location.

Maybe they should build 3 giant ones for the chavs of Orchard park, Bransholme and Preston Road estates...


Bit of a sweeping generalisation regarding Orchard Park, Bransholme and Preston Road. They may share many similar social problems with other post-war districts in many other parts of the country, but there are also plenty of hard working, upstanding families and citizens in these areas too.

The Newland Ave one is because of the amount of bars already there... if it's not a case of Beverley being pretentious and instead, as you say, 'protecting other businesses' then why did they allow chains such as WH Smiths (undermines other newsagents) and Costa Coffee (undermines other cafe's) to open? ...I believe it is pure and simply because they believe it has a 'chav' image and attracts a certain type.

Pigeon-holing 'estates' in Hull is a bit tight. If you think fighting doesn't happen in Beverley, you're sadly mistaken. I'd even go as far as saying there are more fights in Beverley on Friday and Saturday nights, than the same nights in Hull. Beverley is full of 'squaddies' thinking they're 'hard' and farmers, who're a bit backwards and think a jolly good punch-up is a natural part of a night out. I understand I'm generalising myself, but I have met many of these types.

Not only are you generalising people who live on 'estates', you're also generalising people who're out of work. I'm currently unemployed, I have been for many months, but have a degree (2:1), have been to 4 'back to work' workshops and have done 3 unpaid placements. I will not move though... why should I move away from 50+ family members and the area I love, simply because of the government(national and local)'s failure to create and provide jobs in this area and boost it's local economy?

The government are clueless in anything employment related. If you've ever been to a JobCentre Plus, you will see why. The government employ these people to ironically, do a job they cannot do. The most useless set-up I have ever come across. No wonder soo many people come out demoralised and head for a pub... you go in to be patronised and basically to be told to stop having aspirations and do something shit.

And as for nice Wetherspoons, isn't Lloyds part of the same company? so that would make the William Wilberforce part of Wetherspoons. Which is a very nice, atmospheric pub. If it brings a historic old building new life, why not? Ok, Admiral of the Humber is a bit of a 'chav-hole' but Zachariah Pearson's and 3 John Scott's are far from being dumps.

If there are that many 'chavs off the estates' using cheap city centre pubs and bars, then why could Hull not sustain a Yates'? Probably more chavvy than Wetherspoons.

Bit of a sweeping generalisation regarding Orchard Park, Bransholme and Preston Road. They may share many similar social problems with other post-war districts in many other parts of the country, but there are also plenty of hard working, upstanding families and citizens in these areas too.


That why i used the words for the THE chavs of these estates and speaking to a girl i know who happens to be a police officer these are where the majority of call outs in Hull occur.

The Newland Ave one is because of the amount of bars already there... if it's not a case of Beverley being pretentious and instead, as you say, 'protecting other businesses' then why did they allow chains such as WH Smiths (undermines other newsagents) and Costa Coffee (undermines other cafe's) to open? ...I believe it is pure and simply because they believe it has a 'chav' image and attracts a certain type.

Pigeon-holing 'estates' in Hull is a bit tight. If you think fighting doesn't happen in Beverley, you're sadly mistaken. I'd even go as far as saying there are more fights in Beverley on Friday and Saturday nights, than the same nights in Hull. Beverley is full of 'squaddies' thinking they're 'hard' and farmers, who're a bit backwards and think a jolly good punch-up is a natural part of a night out. I understand I'm generalising myself, but I have met many of these types.

Not only are you generalising people who live on 'estates', you're also generalising people who're out of work. I'm currently unemployed, I have been for many months, but have a degree (2:1), have been to 4 'back to work' workshops and have done 3 unpaid placements. I will not move though... why should I move away from 50+ family members and the area I love, simply because of the government(national and local)'s failure to create and provide jobs in this area and boost it's local economy?

The government are clueless in anything employment related. If you've ever been to a JobCentre Plus, you will see why. The government employ these people to ironically, do a job they cannot do. The most useless set-up I have ever come across. No wonder soo many people come out demoralised and head for a pub... you go in to be patronised and basically to be told to stop having aspirations and do something shit.

And as for nice Wetherspoons, isn't Lloyds part of the same company? so that would make the William Wilberforce part of Wetherspoons. Which is a very nice, atmospheric pub. If it brings a historic old building new life, why not? Ok, Admiral of the Humber is a bit of a 'chav-hole' but Zachariah Pearson's and 3 John Scott's are far from being dumps.

If there are that many 'chavs off the estates' using cheap city centre pubs and bars, then why could Hull not sustain a Yates'? Probably more chavvy than Wetherspoons.

I wouldn't say i was generalising i was been a little tongue in cheek :)

Put your pride to one side if your unemployed then get a couple of part time jobs cleaners are always needed plus bar work is easy to find infact i noticed two advertised the other day and i just walking by a couple of pubs.

I wouldn't and have not ever been unemployed cause i would move or do anything and i have done terrible jobs after uni like 90% people i know so why shouldn't you? just pay some taxis and contribute through working it's not hard i'm sure your not like this but for some they would rather do jack shit cause these jobs are below them, unbelieveable way of looking at life.

I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day, I agree to an extent that some people should lower their expectations and take the crap jobs, because for some people, that is their level of skill, but for me, I know I have more to give than that and want to better myself.

I've had various businessmen and women in the city praising me, saying I will go far. I just need more experience and that 'big break' which is why I am taking up placements.
I was on placement for a week at the placement company! The placement they wished to put me on, the owner had gone on holiday for a week. 2 days later the placement company rang me up and said they were impressed with me at my interview and thought my skills were too good not to be being utilised, so asked if I fancied going to work for them in their office. I accepted, went in, and instead of being told what to do, I demanded certain roles which I believe would help me progress in my career. They had told me over the phone they take people from the JobCentre and have to put them into placements, but struggle to get companies signed up to take placements as there is a stigma attached to unemployed people (sound familiar?). So when I went in, I asked if I could go speak to companies face-to-face as I want to be able to speak to businesses properly. So they said, yeah you can go out and do that, but you won't get anybody to sign up! ...I came back at lunch having got 6 companies signed up and one of those (Arc), asking me to go on placement with them.

I'm sick of there being no jobs in this area, but have no intentions to move away and I'm sick of the poor service provided by JobCentre Plus. So, I am actually looking to create a job for myself i.e. create my own business.

I have interest in my business from quite a few businesses who wish to get involved when it is up and running, I have looked to seek out advice from my peers and I'm currently talking to a company who're in the same sector as the one I'm looking to go into and they're willing to help me create prototypes and source contacts.
Saying I and others should sack off our aspirations, simply because of the poor economy and lack of jobs is stupid. In the long run, the people with aspirations for their own business will, in the long run, contribute more in taxes than some in bar work.

I have come across many people who're out of work but have the brains to do something better than the medial jobs required. They too are waiting for their big break. Most employers want experience! You go for, say an engineering job. Which looks better;
Employer: 'So what have you been doing since university?'
Applicant: 'I have been gaining experience in unpaid placements at various engineering companies for the past 6 months'

OR

Employer: 'So what have you been doing since university?'
Applicant: 'I've been cleaning and doing bar work'

Obviously the former!

The latter would end as such;
Employer: 'So, have you got any engineering experience?'
Applicant: 'No, but I have a degree!'
Employer: 'Cya then!'

Your advice is as bad as the JobCentre's! no wonder this country lacks in efficiency in comparison to Germany, The Netherlands, Denmark e.t.c. nobody is encouraged to do anything anymore! It's all 'SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND PAY YOUR TAXES!'

There is talk of a double-dip recession e.t.c. the jobs market could be this poor for another decade yet! so to say take bar work or cleaning jobs is a bit daft, as it is more likely you'll just get stuck in a loop doing it. You cannot get experience doing an non-related job, therefore you would be stuck in catch22 forever.

I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day, I agree to an extent that some people should lower their expectations and take the crap jobs, because for some people, that is their level of skill, but for me, I know I have more to give than that and want to better myself.

I've had various businessmen and women in the city praising me, saying I will go far. I just need more experience and that 'big break' which is why I am taking up placements.
I was on placement for a week at the placement company! The placement they wished to put me on, the owner had gone on holiday for a week. 2 days later the placement company rang me up and said they were impressed with me at my interview and thought my skills were too good not to be being utilised, so asked if I fancied going to work for them in their office. I accepted, went in, and instead of being told what to do, I demanded certain roles which I believe would help me progress in my career. They had told me over the phone they take people from the JobCentre and have to put them into placements, but struggle to get companies signed up to take placements as there is a stigma attached to unemployed people (sound familiar?). So when I went in, I asked if I could go speak to companies face-to-face as I want to be able to speak to businesses properly. So they said, yeah you can go out and do that, but you won't get anybody to sign up! ...I came back at lunch having got 6 companies signed up and one of those (Arc), asking me to go on placement with them.

I'm sick of there being no jobs in this area, but have no intentions to move away and I'm sick of the poor service provided by JobCentre Plus. So, I am actually looking to create a job for myself i.e. create my own business.

I have interest in my business from quite a few businesses who wish to get involved when it is up and running, I have looked to seek out advice from my peers and I'm currently talking to a company who're in the same sector as the one I'm looking to go into and they're willing to help me create prototypes and source contacts.
Saying I and others should sack off our aspirations, simply because of the poor economy and lack of jobs is stupid. In the long run, the people with aspirations for their own business will, in the long run, contribute more in taxes than some in bar work.

I have come across many people who're out of work but have the brains to do something better than the medial jobs required. They too are waiting for their big break. Most employers want experience! You go for, say an engineering job. Which looks better;
Employer: 'So what have you been doing since university?'
Applicant: 'I have been gaining experience in unpaid placements at various engineering companies for the past 6 months'

OR

Employer: 'So what have you been doing since university?'
Applicant: 'I've been cleaning and doing bar work'

Obviously the former!

The latter would end as such;
Employer: 'So, have you got any engineering experience?'
Applicant: 'No, but I have a degree!'
Employer: 'Cya then!'

Your advice is as bad as the JobCentre's! no wonder this country lacks in efficiency in comparison to Germany, The Netherlands, Denmark e.t.c. nobody is encouraged to do anything anymore! It's all 'SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND PAY YOUR TAXES!'

There is talk of a double-dip recession e.t.c. the jobs market could be this poor for another decade yet! so to say take bar work or cleaning jobs is a bit daft, as it is more likely you'll just get stuck in a loop doing it. You cannot get experience doing an non-related job, therefore you would be stuck in catch22 forever.


I had a feeling you'd come back with a 3 page reply

Your wrong by the way if you went for a job and said you have been doing shit jobs due to the fact there is no work in the area you want within Hull you'd gain respect simply because you are working.

And yes my grammar and spelling is very poor but i have achieved a lot because of hard work and living wherever the opportunities took me.

No work in Hull move or even better move to Germany bit of life experience.

I wouldn't really say it was 3 pages.

Yes, in a non-bragging way, that is what they have said. The majority of businesses though, you will find do not have any available openings. I don't expect them to get rid of someone who has been in a position at their company in order to bring me in.

So, let me get this right; you're saying that someone who says they have been working shite jobs would have a better chance at getting an engineering job, over someone who has been out sourcing relevent experience through unpaid placements? :lol:

Travelling the country for work, that is your choice, it was not forced upon you.

Like I said, I have no intentions to move. You obviously live to work, many others work to live.

I'm happy here, have a close-family, who all live around me, I have every belief I will be successful one day and wish to hopefully one day have the power to contribute to decisions which could influence the upturn in this areas fortunes... until then, I will keep plugging away at trying to create myself a job and were the areas fortunes are concerned.

Without wanting to butt in on this argument, or keep this thread on a downward spiral.

dazzer, i think the best combination you can do to get a job in both unpaid placements AND 'shitty' jobs. Employers want to see that you are keen to work, no matter where it is.

As for not wanting to leave the city, well thats fair enough and good luck if you're starting your own business, but this is the thing ive been saying for a long time. Hull cannot retain its student population.

I was born in Brighton and brought up in the hove area into a very upper middle class enviroment and living in that world i saw how much many people with tremendous wealth don't actually work that hard and my parents can be included in that with endless business lunchies and such like so let's never for one minute believe just cause your a high earner you work that hard it's actually seems the higher your income the easier the job becomes in many cases myself and my girlfriend are both on the 80K + a year and expect to be touching 120k before i'm 30, does that mean i showed tremendous amount of ambition or just fortunate to have had endless opportunities given to me because who my parents are and who they knew? and could afford to put us into private education etc


...bit of a difference from 'doing shit jobs' to 'being spoon fed a job' :okay:

At least I'm working hard and tirelessly to create a job for myself and attempt to have an impact on my local area. I may not be contributing tax, but in the long run, if all my hard work pays off, the money I have claimed in job seekers will be a tiny dot in comparison to what I'll be contributing with a business.

Without wanting to butt in on this argument, or keep this thread on a downward spiral.

dazzer, i think the best combination you can do to get a job in both unpaid placements AND 'shitty' jobs. Employers want to see that you are keen to work, no matter where it is.

As for not wanting to leave the city, well thats fair enough and good luck if you're starting your own business, but this is the thing ive been saying for a long time. Hull cannot retain its student population.

Thing is, you can't really do both at once. I've done shite jobs like waitering and working at Sports World. All the interviews I've been to, nobody has mentioned those off my CV. What they do seem interested in are the parts about having aspirations to one day have my own business and the relevent unpaid experience I have gained towards achieving this.

As for keeping the student population, certain things are changing towards this. I have met a few students through looking at means of starting my own business, who are also looking to start a business in the city.

Youth Enterprise are doing some good work and you can now rent office space at the uni for £30 a week if you're a new business.

I agree that student enterprise is great and should be encouraged, but not every student wants to start a business and many look for internships at major companies. Most students i know would love to stay in the city, in fact a number of my friends who graduated this year are still in the avenues area, but are doing 'shitty' jobs whilst also trying to gain relevent experience in their fields. Unfortunately they know that the city is not going to provide them with the openings they need (unless you are to work in the NHS or become a teacher) so they will leave eventually.

Trust me, these unskilled jobs are vital for future employers, alongside geting relevent experience in the field you want to work in, someone who can do both will get on further in an application process than someone who cant. Obviously you have decided to go it alone and i wish you the very best of luck with it, but this information is for anyone else who may be going through the same process at the moment. I sympathise as im graduating next year and the job market has never been so bleak.

Your wrong by the way if you went for a job and said you have been doing shit jobs due to the fact there is no work in the area you want within Hull you'd gain respect simply because you are working.


I totally concur.


Trust me, these unskilled jobs are vital for future employers, alongside geting relevent experience in the field you want to work in, someone who can do both will get on further in an application process than someone who cant.

Again I concur.

There is no shame in grafting in what could be seen as a lesser job. Paying your taxes counts for far more on a CV then being supported by the government.

If I were to employ someone for an engineering job and I had 2 candidates: 1 had done cleaning since uni, the other had done unpaid placements at engineering firms since uni - I'd always choose the latter first for the job. You'll find what is more common now is EXPERIENCE in the field, as because money is tight in the current economic climate, time is money to a company. They want someone who can come straight in and do a job. Having to train someone up to do a job simply slows down the process and costs the company extra money.

What if a third candidate had done unpaid work placements and also worked in a bar or supermarket around that? That shows committment and drive amongst other key qualities, so that would be the person most likely to get the job. Employers dont like to see large gaps of unemployment, clearly doing work experience helps but a good rounded individual who is not averse to holding down a job whilst gaining relevent experience is key to what employers want.

an interesting discussion but is it one for this thread ?

now for my tuppence! ;)

have seen this from both sides... and both approaches are correct! (yes doesnt really help)

when I graduated in 1993 UK was in grip of serious recession... very few jobs etc. At first I didnt lower my standards (why would I want to be a cleaner etc I had a degree) but I did get relevant experience instead (via placements etc).. in doing so I gained valuable experience, more than low skilled jobs would have given me. However I still couldnt get work in my 'field' so I started to pester agencies and got temp work (almost in my skillset) after several years of such work (luckily on longterm contracts) I got more and more interviews (i now had genuine office experience and upto date IT skills - something a low skilled job would not have given me).

Now I'm involved in the recruitment process from the other side and believe me sorting the wheat from the chaff can be frustrating at times - what we look for is RELEVANT experience which is uptodate... so whilst having experience x years ago and then low skilled jobs rather than benefits is to be applauded, the candidate with recent experience (and relevant) will be looked at first. (and dont forget to sell yourself - but try not to be cocky!)

So by all means get a job (any job) its good for the soul (having been unemployed in the past I can testify to that) BUT make sure your experience/skills are uptodate (if this involves volunteering/doing 2 jobs at once so be it)

anyway good luck in the future Dazzar!

Now can we go back to disussing East Riding developments!

Sometimes it's not that easy to just pick a 'lesser' job and just 'take' it. For example, bar work. If you haven't worked in a bar before and another candidate has, the one who has will get the job.

About a month ago I went for an interview for an 'arts and heritage assistant' position, which was basically cleaning the council owned museums and answering any questions the public may have... they told me I was too good for the job and asked why I'd even applied for it.

an interesting discussion but is it one for this thread ?

now for my tuppence! ;)

have seen this from both sides... and both approaches are correct! (yes doesnt really help)

when I graduated in 1993 UK was in grip of serious recession... very few jobs etc. At first I didnt lower my standards (why would I want to be a cleaner etc I had a degree) but I did get relevant experience instead (via placements etc).. in doing so I gained valuable experience, more than low skilled jobs would have given me. However I still couldnt get work in my 'field' so I started to pester agencies and got temp work (almost in my skillset) after several years of such work (luckily on longterm contracts) I got more and more interviews (i now had genuine office experience and upto date IT skills - something a low skilled job would not have given me).

Now I'm involved in the recruitment process from the other side and believe me sorting the wheat from the chaff can be frustrating at times - what we look for is RELEVANT experience which is uptodate... so whilst having experience x years ago and then low skilled jobs rather than benefits is to be applauded, the candidate with recent experience (and relevant) will be looked at first. (and dont forget to sell yourself - but try not to be cocky!)

So by all means get a job (any job) its good for the soul (having been unemployed in the past I can testify to that) BUT make sure your experience/skills are uptodate (if this involves volunteering/doing 2 jobs at once so be it)

anyway good luck in the future Dazzar!

Now can we go back to disussing East Riding developments!

Well said, and thanks for the luck, I'm sure I'll need it.

I'm thinking of going down the route of looking at finding an investor for a percentage cut in my business, rather than going it alone, despite it being a very low cost to set up. Just think it would be added security in the long run, though finding that investor will be the hard part, so your luck will come in handy!

RE: East Riding developments, nobody has really commented on the stories posted up. I think the money to be spent in Brid is crazy! ...just hope they spend it wisely.

When I spoke about my own advantages it was based on somebody judging people because he had more money than them, I don't agree with that, I would never judge people who work for a living and think i'm better than them because I earned more money i respect anybody who works and contributes, it shows they have pride.

Everyone gains advantages through who you know you fool but you have still got to prove that your good at what you do :lol:

Now, this may not come out properly as I'm replying on my phone. Don't worry,
It's not being paid for by taxEs, I'm paying for it with my graduate account overdraft, as I took into
Account advice I have received on placement, that I'd be best off creating an online profile of myself, so employers can put a name to face and know my character.
Which is something you need to be able to do on the move.

I actually had a job interview at Arrow Industrial a few weeks back, but the hours were 'as and when we need you' were the could be periods of no work for 2 weeks at a time. But the owner asked bout business ideas, I told him my
Own and he said I have a brilliant business model, a great idea and that I should go for it. So having got advice like that from quite a few businessmen in the city, is there any wonder I'm looking to carry on the work I have started already?
You don't seem to understand that.

You should be pleased in the knowledge that there are people on Job Seekers looking at doing something with the experience. You should see some of the chavs at the placement place, who're only ther
To make sure they get there weekly money. They spend the day throwing pens around and telling the lass signing time sheets that she's fit and that she'd look good in their bed!

I do have pride! I have pride in what I am doing and what I'm trying to achieve!

I have learnt more and gain many more contacts through placements than I ever would have doing bar work.
Not ti mention 'lesser jobs' are now applied for by thousands of people. You cannot just take a job in this economy.
My girlfriend works at Topshop... They recently had over 5000 applicants for a 4 hour shift!

And I don't need to pay for taxi's... My girlfriend's grandad is a taxi driver! :lol:

I have resisted the temptation to comment on this little arguement, if you can call it that.

It's a shame this thread has gone off topic, but at least what Dazzar has been posting contains relevance and isn't just generalised, childish insults.

As for the debate on relevant work experience vs. so called 'lesser jobs'. I'd have to side with relevant work experience. Yes it would be ideal to be able to do both, but it would be very difficult to unless your 'lesser job' employer is willing to give you time off to do work experience elsewhere with you hoping to land the job and leave the aforementioned 'lesser job'. Can't really see that happening unless the boss is particularly pleasent and you've worked for them for a while now.

Just my opinion, but then again I'm just an lazy unemployed student who grew up on a council estate, what they hell do I know, right?

I have resisted the temptation to comment on this little arguement, if you can call it that.

It's a shame this thread has gone off topic, but at least what Dazzar has been posting contains relevance and isn't just generalised, childish insults.

As for the debate on relevant work experience vs. so called 'lesser jobs'. I'd have to side with relevant work experience. Yes it would be ideal to be able to do both, but it would be very difficult to unless your 'lesser job' employer is willing to give you time off to do work experience elsewhere with you hoping to land the job and leave the aforementioned 'lesser job'. Can't really see that happening unless the boss is particularly pleasent and you've worked for them for a while now.

Just my opinion, but then again I'm just an lazy unemployed student who grew up on a council estate, what they hell do I know, right?

I think we all have different views on this and apply this to our own lives in our own individual way as I read this totally opposite to yourself. I also think its time to call this to a halt and ask the moderator (Newcastle Historian) to delete it (or be at least moved to the skybar) as it is now developing into a slangin match which is not what we all read this forum for.

I agree with Bushy here, this argument has gone way off the topic. Clearly there is a difference in opinion here about how to get into certain fields post-grad. Im going by what ive been told by former employers and current career advice from the University so i guess its each to their own.

I do think the argument that Hull fails to retain its student population in anything meaningful holds water, but i suppose its something for the Hull thread rather than the East Riding.

And I don't need to pay for taxi's... My girlfriend's grandad is a taxi driver! :lol:

Let's just forget about it and shake hands it's become very petty, my initial post was meant to be a bit of a piss take i didn't expect the PC brigade to take such offence.

A simply reply like shut up you dick with a smile would have sufficed and we'd have all moved on.

And it's lead to this constant tit for tat.

I stand by what i've said with regards to working but the rest is just petty cyber warrior shit so i'd rather forget it.

We are all here for the same thing to promote this great City i wasn't born Hull but do consider it home.

Copied from the 'East Riding' thread :


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POSTS MOVED TO SKYBAR.

Right people, I have had to move the last 28 posts on this thread to the Skybar, because they are completely off-topic for this thread.

At the moment, they are ALL on the Skybar.

But, I am also going to look in more detail at some of the posts, as there seemed to be some comments being made that have no place on SkyscraperCity, and certainly not on this Hull and Humber forum, where historically we all treat eachother with respect and consideration.

I may decide to remove some posts.

I am sorry that I did not get involved in this 'exchange of views' a little bit earlier . . . but I hope that I can expect your co-operation (and a calming down all round) from now on!

I will COPY this note onto the Skybar, for reference.

Moving on.

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Moving on.


Thankyou Riki9,

As your Moderator, that is a sentiment that I agree with!!

Let's just forget about it and shake hands it's become very petty, my initial post was meant to be a bit of a piss take i didn't expect the PC brigade to take such offence.

A simply reply like shut up you dick with a smile would have sufficed and we'd have all moved on.

And it's lead to this constant tit for tat.

I stand by what i've said with regards to working but the rest is just petty cyber warrior shit so i'd rather forget it.

We are all here for the same thing to promote this great City i wasn't born Hull but do consider it home.

Fine by me...:cheers1:
...but I'd never respond with 'shut up you dick' to something I do not agree on.

I wouldn't call it 'petty cyber warrior shit' as it was you who originally posted something which people found offensive. If you can't accept negative responses, don't post things people may find offensive.

Anyway, as Riki9 said ( :bowtie: ) Moving on...

Hull Fair: Extra bus services as annual spectacular expects half-a-million visitors

EXTRA local bus services are being laid on for people wanting to use public transport to visit Hull Fair.

The West Park car park will be closed due to improvement works for access to the KC Stadium.

Stagecoach will be providing special Hull Fair services from many areas of Hull direct to Anlaby Road.

From North Bransholme, Bodmin Road, North Point Shopping Centre, Sutton Park and Beverley Rd there is Service 28F, operating at regular intervals between 5pm and 7pm.


From North Point Shopping Centre, Noddle Hill Way, Sutton Village, Gillshill Rd, Summergangs Rd and Holderness Rd there is Service 32F, operating Monday to Friday at regular intervals between 5pm and 7pm and on Saturdays, between 1.20pm and 7pm.

From Kingswood Asda, Bodmin Rd, Tiverton Rd, North Point Shopping Centre, Midmere Avenue, Leads Rd, Dunvegan Rd, Howdale Rd, Bellfield Ave and Holderness Rd there is Service 51F, operating Monday to Friday at regular intervals between 5pm and 7pm and on Saturdays, between 1.20pm and 7pm.

From Bilton Grange, Greatfield, Preston Rd, Southcoates Lane and Holderness Road there is Service 43F, operating at regular intervals between 5pm and 7pm.

All services return from Anlaby Road/West Park from 7.30pm until 11pm.

In addition Stagecoach will be running the C1 park and ride service from the Humber Bridge car park at regular intervals from 3pm Monday to Friday and noon on Saturdays whilst the fair is in operation. Regular return buses will depart from Anlaby Road until 11.20pm.

More details of times will be available from www.stagecoachbus.com/hull or by telephone on 01482 222 333.

* More than half a million people are expected to visit the fair, which rolls into the city on Friday.

The Lord Mayor of Hull, Councillor David Gemmell, will officially open the event with the traditional bell-ringing ceremony on Friday at 5pm.

The largest travelling fair in the country, which dates back to 1293, will run all week, apart from Sunday, October 10. It ends on Saturday, October 15.

This year it will boast more than 250 attractions.

There are no new rides, but alongside the candy floss, toffee apples and pomegranates, there will be hog roasts and, for the first time, fresh cooked scampi by Whitby Seafoods.

Although the West Park car park will be closed, there are 600 spaces available in the KC Stadium car park, accessed under the Anlaby Road flyover, at a cost of £5 per car.


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Anyone going? Half a million!?? bloomin heck!

It'll be your first won't it, KUH?

We might be having friends over for the fair and taking advantage of 'Hull Dine Week' at the same time whilst they're here.

Which is the best of the partaking restaurants?

Ok, the skybar seems to be a place people don't like to post, so I'm creating this thread for this.

Had a bit of a set-to with some posho who is in Hull for uni, the other day. There was a few of us, he was the only non-local. A group from Leeds on a uni trip got speaking to us and said it was their first time to Hull, a few couldn't believe it, as Leeds isn't exactly far away. A few saying; The majority of people from Hull have been to Leeds, it's strange many from Leeds have never been to Hull.

The posh lad said; well, I can see where they're coming from. Why would they come to Hull? what has Hull got that Leeds hasn't? They have no need to come here. Hull is only a small place. It may have had it's importance in the past, but is a nothing place now. I argued Hull's case... the more I put things forward he tried to dismiss them and said Hull is a dive and that the people here need to get some perspective. He said; Yeah, Hull may have been important in the past, but it isn't anymore. Even it's maritime history is eclipsed greatly by places like Liverpool. Industrially it has nothing on the likes of Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester and Newcastle and in comparison to London, the second greatest city in the world after New York (his words), Hull looks minute.

I said that a lot of Hull's pro's are not known though. I said he can't comment not knowing the full story. I said many things in this world have happened because of people from Hull... I (partially in jest) said; 'Hull created the world!' :lol: I mentioned there would be no such thing as vancouver, if not for Hull's 'gassy' Jack Deighton, women may not have the right to vote now, if it wasn't for Sir John Hall, the majority of Canada became known and mapped out due to a man from Hull, the majority of antartica is known because of and named after, men from Hull ...and so on.

He just said, Yeah, but they'd only have been done by someone else otherwise and it's the same with everywhere else... people from places have discovered places too and done things.

I also said you can't call the city a dive... the old town was voted the 5th best preserved area in the UK, has some stunning architecture and is well praised by many historians.

He just said... well that's nothing. it just means there are 4 other places much better!


........so, although this lad is obviously ignorant and loves an 'identikit, just like every other city' kinda city.

What would say is Hull's place in society and the running of this country? is Hull important? why would/should people come to Hull?

The port infrastructure is important, but only if you include the south bank too to prove its full effect. I suppose the uni has some importance with the new institute for business and logistics.

As far as other things go, its not realy of high importance in the greater scheme of things. More often than not the reason people describe it as a dive is not because of 'well preserved old-towns' but the attitude of the people. Unfortunately largely the people of Hull can make the place lack aspiration and oozes insularity (im not talking about everyone!) which has been lost in more successful regions. I hear it from students all the time, they like the whole student experience and how 'everythings so close' but as far as working here, there are no openings so they move elsewhere.

Thing is though... I go to quite a few meets and conferences in the city and speak to people a lot. I think the amount in numbers in Hull of people with aspirations etc, isn't actually that far off being equal with the number who're just happy with an everyday life of chips and xfactor on the tele... it just seems the numpties of the city have bigger gobs. He who shouts the loudest gets noticed more I'm afraid.

What about tourism and history? History is something taught in school's, something many say is important and it's something Hull has a lot of... yet when put forward as a vaild reason for being interested in Hull, it seems to be dismissed. Why?

If you look at it from another point of view... other than to clothes shop or get stuck in a rugby scrum in an over-priced bar, why else would someone from Hull visit Leeds?

Looking at it like that, you can see more reasons for people from Leeds visiting Hull than people from hull visiting Leeds... or is it that we just value clothes more than history now?

I've never really had any reason to go to Leeds to be honest, and there are far more historic, attractive and impressive towns and cities in the north of England, so I suppose his comments are fair enough.

I haven't got kids myself, but I reckon there's more for families to do in Hull. Leeds city centre has just got it's second free museum so I might give that a go myself sometime - the Henry Moore Gallery is pretty good, but it's hardly going to set the young 'uns minds buzzing with wonder and interactivity like The Deep, and i've always found the Royal Armouries a bit dull, but the subject matter has never really been an area of interest for me. Plus it's not strictly in the town centre and is a bit of a hike from the station.

As for that WUM's hokum about Hull's place in history - to explain the city's historic significance to the UK is too wide a topic with far too many starting points and resultant branches to list or give even the briefest of overview's on here. If he is really that interested, there are plenty of books out there, as well as the brand spanking new multi-million pound history centre. Come to think of it - if he did that, he would be joining the thousands of others from all over the world who do likewise - mainly owing to their own family history research, and the city's prominent position as the main Northern European trading port for the greatest empire the world has ever seen.

In fact, if his own family history has a fairly long (often even fairly short) Yorkshire base it is more than likely that he has relatives here - possibly connected to the c.1100 people who used to board the Leeds-Hull trains daily to see the medieval heart and stunning civic buildings "rising from the water like Venice" (Bradshaw's Guide, 1862).

He thinks New York is better than London. Oh, please... what does New York have that London does not? Absolutely nothing worth mentioning, especially when it comes to history. I know this website is primarily about skyscrapers but a city full of them looks both bland and ugly.

Anyway, people like him will never change their opinion of Hull. It's sad but true.

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Is there going to be a party?

Call that a river?

;)

Call that a river?

;)

I actually crossed the Humber for the first time in the summer and wow I didn't realise just how massive it was. The bridge is very impressive too, especially on the southern approach to it.

it's often been commented on here that the Baltic flour mill conversion is a fantastic use of a great waterside building and having visited myself a couple of years ago I totally agree. I just wish something similar could be done with our version on the River Hull, which is sadly facing demolition.

The Sage is a pretty spectacular building too!

I can't see anything happening with the rank hovis building, it will most likely just be left to rot for ten years, such a missed opportunity to either create a fantastic new development or a brilliant conversion, manor properties, god help us

Re: rank - why do I suspect a fire and demolition in the buildings future? Where was the vision in the city in the late 90s? Unlike our North East neighbours who seemed to hit the ground running when the government was giving out funding like a drunk buys drinks!

Are there any photo's anywhere of the building?

Is there any pictures of what the inside of the building is like now, I imagine the walls are very thick and the building would be almost impossible to turn into flats or offices however a museum would be a good idea could always add some light with those reflective tubes that pass light to anywhere from the roof

Is there any pictures of what the inside of the building is like now, I imagine the walls are very thick and the building would be almost impossible to turn into flats or offices however a museum would be a good idea could always add some light with those reflective tubes that pass light to anywhere from the roof


http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/showthread.php/8114-Rank-Hovis-Clarence-Flour-Mills-Hull-%E2%80%93-April-%E2%80%9810

A museum which focused on the history of industry in the city would be fantastic.

Sigh.

I said a 'National Industry Museum' would really suit it, about 3 years ago on here. It does have floors, but it also has a big hole down the middle of the silo, I believe.

RE: livin'Hull - I mentioned in my chat with Minns about this; Government funding is based on area, not city. Newcastle and Sheffield got shed loads of money 'cause they're surrounded by ex-mining towns. Hull got nowt, simply because it's surrounded by the third richest area in the U.K.

I said a 'National Industry Museum' would really suit it, about 3 years ago on here. It does have floors, but it also has a big hole down the middle of the silo, I believe.



Now that i have almost given up on manor ever doing anything with the mill i would quite like to see it preserved as a museum of industry, maybe just about Hull but possible the wider area. However the area it currently stands in is a dump so it would have to be accompanied by apartments and other cultural venues in the immediate surroundings like up in Gateshead.

I'm eager to see how the area will look with the bridge and associated landscaping completed. The area could be a real asset to the city but as it is, it's just a wee bit depressing. Manor mill looks great on renders but really, how feasible is it in this climate? Whenever I walk by Tradewinds, I can't help but wonder who would want to live there given how busy the road is and what it overlooks.

I'm afraid I would call the Tyne a river, it's certainly more substantial than the Hull ;) (The Humber is called that rather than the River Humber for a reason, the whole thing is an estuary).

But yes, save Clarence Mill!

Out of interest did any one on here, hear the noise last night is was pretty strange

Humming noise could have been a military aircraft
Hull UFO Society believes a low-flying military plane was responsible for creating a "humming" noise heard during the early hours of the morning.

Dozens of Mail readers have revealed they heard the mysterious noise at about 2am today.

The Ministry of Defence insists no military aircraft were in the vicinity at the time.

But Sean Tierney, chairman of Hull UFO Society – formed in 1997 – said: "I have heard a similar sound before. To me, it sounded very much like a military transport aircraft.

Yep, heard it up in Willerby. To be honest i cant see what the distinction was, sounded to me like a turbo-prop cargo aircraft. It could have been a C-130 but if the millitary are saying they werent operating then im not sure. The Americans do have a number of C-130's based down in Mildenhall so it is certainly possible that it was one (or two could explain why it seemed to last a while) of those.

There is this interesting link...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064713/Russian-nuclear-bomber-flies-undetected-20-miles-Hull.html

They do have the old 'Bear' turbo-prop bomber, not sure if they are still in service, but could be possible, but it certainly wasnt a jet.

Some military flights are kept secret (I don't know why)

Some military flights are kept secret (I don't know why)

rendition ?

didnt hear this noise - but sound from aircraft can do some very strange things... was last night a clear sky ?

a couple of years ago I had very interesting correspondence with low flying complaints dept. at RAF re low flying aircraft - which while not visible shock windows and the sound remained constant for quite a while... turns out the aircraft in question (a Tornado) was low level between hedon and withernsea (a normal transit route apparently) flying high subsonic on way from scotland to norfolk. The sound was trapped between layers in the atmosphere, which coupled with wind direction meant the sound appeared to be directly overhead in West Hull!

but last night ? didnt hear a sound!

Hull, did you think it sounded like this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9S3h37GW2g

Its the Tu-95 'Bear' i was talking about earlier.

I know it went on for quite a while, but plausible. Someone posted it up on the HDM site.

It did abit I suppose

Strange there were no jets though if it was that, as the Typhoons from Conningsby across the river would have scrambled to intercept it. I certainly think the prolonged noise could have been due to atmospherics and the aircraft may not necesserily hav actually been flying over Hull. It certainly sounds like what i heard!

Violent crime figures see sharp rise as police say it is their top priority

Chief Superintendent Paul Davison says police are taking the rise in violent crime extremely seriously.Violent crime in the East Riding has risen sharply, according to the latest figures.

Police are analysing factors behind the upsurge, which has seen 97 serious offences in the past six months – a 42 per cent rise.

Recent cases have included two victims who were each blinded in an eye in separate incidents in Bridlington and Pocklington.

Chief Superintendent Paul Davison, who is in charge of policing in the East Riding, insists that tackling the increase in serious violent crime is now the biggest priority for his officers.

But he also stressed that crime overall is continuing to fall across the 933 square miles of the East Riding, which remains one of the safest places in the country.

Offences overall are down by 4.6 per cent according to year-on-year figures for April to September, despite the rise in violent crime and a nine per cent increase in domestic burglaries.

Mr Davison said: "Generally, overall, it is an extremely confident picture but you will always have the odd spike in something.

"We take violent crime extremely seriously. We are putting a lot of resources into investigating it and trying to reduce it.

"A lot of it is alcohol related, without a shadow of a doubt."

Police in the East Riding, who have a 53 per cent detection rate for serious violent crime, are analysing the causes of each and every case as part of the crackdown.

There were 97 cases between April and September, compared to 68 in the same period last year.

Mr Davison said: "We are putting a lot of effort and time into understanding why they have happened and what we can do."

Assaults with less serious injuries are slightly down, by 2.5 per cent to 856 cases.

Police are working with licensees in a bid to prevent outbreaks of booze-fuelled violence, particularly in town centres.

Mr Davison said: "We are worried about it and we are doing an awful lot with licensed premises.

"We are also working closely with the local authority and making sure the conditions of the licences are right.

"We are working with the MPs (military police) as well. It's recognising that you can't always stop all violence but there is a link between licensed premises and assaults, without a shadow of a doubt."

Mr Davison insists the public must feel safe and not feel intimidated by drunken yobs.

He said: "There's a balance between having a vibrant economy and being able to walk in and have a pint and not feel intimidated."

Another type of crime showing an increase in cases is shoplifting.

Cases are up by 20 per cent to 556 offences in the past six months, which Mr Davison said may be partly linked to the recession.

Domestic burglary is up by nine per cent, with 409 offences in the past six months, compared to 375 in April-September last year.

The figures show that break-ins soared in September, when 104 homes were broken into.

Mr Davison said: "We had South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire villains coming in to hit us and also some villains from Hull.

"They have been arrested and that's why the figures are coming down again."

Mr Davison insists that across such a large area, spanning 933 square miles, the number of burglaries remains low.

Theft from vehicles was down by 19 per cent to 395 offences and theft of vehicles was down by five per cent to 208 cases.

Mr Davison said: "It means your chances of getting burgled, or getting your car broken into or stolen, are limited compared to anywhere else in the country."

The Mail requested figures for Hull, but none were available at the time of going to press.
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That last line reeks of the HDM trying to put an obvious negative spin on Hull, IMO.

What a random story - Fareham plays up to the stereotyped Tory though;

Aide claims former Lord Mayor John Fareham said she had 'lesbian hair'

Councillor John Fareham.
A FORMER city council officer says she was bullied by ex-Lord Mayor John Fareham who allegedly described her as having "lesbian hair".

Danish-born Inga Jorgensen also claims the politician regularly referred to her as "foreigner", "woman" and "wonk" instead of using her proper name.

Ms Jorgsensen worked as a support officer for the Conservative group led by Councillor Fareham for nearly four years until leaving her job in August last year.

In documents submitted as evidence to a standards committee hearing, she also claims he deliberately drank Bovril in her presence, even though he was aware that she hated the drink's smell.


Ms Jorgensen's complaint that he breached the code of conduct for councillors is one of two being considered by a special three-man panel.

In an internal council grievance form submitted in August 2009, she said: "I have suffered unfair and inappropriate treatment by Councillor John Fareham for some considerable time.

"His unwillingness to call me by the name my parents gave me and persistence in calling me anything but my Christian name, even after I have asked him not to, makes me feel like a possession, devalues me as a human being."

She says he once called her a lesbian for refusing to make him a drink.

The other complaint by council participation officer Sarah Gibson involves comments allegedly made by the Bricknell ward councillor at an area housing board meeting.

In her evidence statement, she says she was "shocked and offended" at remarks he made about prostitutes, lesbians and Polish plumbers with "big hairy moustaches".

The hearing continues today.

Ok I'm bored of bad news.

So, what projects have we got to look forward to in 2011?

On the top of my head:

Clough road police station
Various BSF
Verious health centers (bransome been a big one)
Manor mill
Manor cube (not to confident with these two though)
Spring street student flats
Restaurant quarter (princess quay)
New exciting retailers
Two possible new restaurants on kingswood (nandos, TGI)
The river? (prep works)
River hull footbridge (could bring plans for boom site?)
New retailers/ restaurants/cafes (st stephans)
Kc reclad
And wind turbine plant (hull docks)

I hope I'm not boring you and please help if you can think of any more, let's bring some more positive news to the thread

In Sport:

Craven Park extension?

New Tigers academy? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hull_city/9300903.stm

As the new city owner said too I seem to remember he said something about exdending the kc to 40,000?

Also if occupants are found circus circus offices.

Realy I hope lots of these projects to start as I just want it to be as it was meant to be before the credit crunch bit, if there was no credit crunch there would be many developments in the city quay west etc. The last time there was a crane on hulls skyline was hull truck. A tower crane always shows visitors a strong, growing city

...more businesses opening in the Fruit Market...

Steve
Dinostar - The Dinosaur Experience
Fruit Market
Hull
www.dinostar.co.uk

Defiently, didn't one or two more galleries open up the past few weeks btw?
Also I assume you are in favour of the river project if it get funding?

Does any one know what went on in the city centre today, no report on HDM site but I heard a loud bang (like a bomb) than around the prospect centre area was very smoky. Also apparently the sirens went off in hull station.

Defiently, didn't one or two more galleries open up the past few weeks btw?
Also I assume you are in favour of the river project if it get funding?

Yes. The Museum of Club Culture (at No.10) is now hosting regular exhibitions. Studio Eleven (at No. 11! - see www.studioeleven.co.uk) will be open every weekend from 8th January.

Other businesses are a little behind schedule due to lack of Council support after the closure of Hull Forward but they should be going early in the New Year.

The River would be great. An additional attraction for the city and a link between The Deep and the Fruit Market/Pier/Marina area.

Steve

While on this topic what will happen with fruit market now? Will it be left and we will only see new developments if a private developer shows intrest?

Fruit Market has huge potential, it could be bussiling with upmarket stores, independent stores, upmarket and independent restaurants/cafes, galleries, museums and apartments. And a mix of old and new buildings would be great.

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I think it is about time I wished everyone on this forum a very . . .

MERRY CHRISTMAS


http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/Newcastle%202/ChristmasCard2010_0001.jpg


and a very HAPPY NEW YEAR for 2011 . . .

Thank you and a merry Christmas to you too, and all the to all the other forumers :)

Does any one know what went on in the city centre today, no report on HDM site but I heard a loud bang (like a bomb) than around the prospect centre area was very smoky. Also apparently the sirens went off in hull station.

apparently a car fire in prospect centre car park... Humberside fire brigade website has the details..

Ok thanks

Happy new year! Here's to a prosperous, healthy and happy one for all forumers!

Same to you!! Let's hope this year brings us good times for hull :)

All the best to everyone that posts on this forum. Have a prosperous and happy 2011.

:cheers1:

Hello chaps. I haven't been in Hull for a while and was wondering if Bewleys pipe pub is still there. I find myself requiring a new pipe.

Chin-chin

No, it's been a little 'old style' sweet shop for quite a while now.

How come your not in Hull? I have a feeling that this could be a good year for Hull!

oh, bloody hell! I loved that shop.

I'm currently doing my final year of university in Lincoln. Looking forward to getting back and seeing how the place has changed.

Ah right good luck, how is Lincoln? I've never been

Thanks.

It's strange, in many ways it's like two cities. A very nice, friendly city up steep hill (cathedral and castle area) full of independant shops, tea shops and real ale pubs. As you walk down the hill and further down high street it gets worse unfortunatly as it's much less affluent shall we say. The less said about the west end (where I currently reside) the better as it's overun by typical students who are incapable of walking home without shouting football chants and breaking streat furniture after a night of drinking continental lager beer.

I would highly recommened visiting Lincoln, most of high street and all up steep hill is wonderful. Just avoid sincil bank and the west end.

I suppose you can compare it to Hulls old town being like a completely different city to certain other areas. Oh, how I miss the old town and it's many fine real ale establishments.

Bit random but when is the decision for the casino license due? I'm sure I heard the end of this month :/

According to hcc website..
If there is only one successful applicant, the licence or the provisional statement will be awarded to that applicant. A decision*is made on 30 January 2011*successful applicants will be notified.

So the decision will be made on Sunday??? Hmm that'll please the Christians! Gambling, working on Sundays ! It's end times!!!

Wonder if they meant 31st? Will update once I've checked the meeting agendas

Cheers, this is a great end to the month though, new quality eateries and retailer and maybe Mano will actually decide to build manor mill...I hold my breath.

Manor Mill? If you want it to look how it does on the renders, 'Hull', then please dont hold your breath, you WILL suffocate.

good point hahah :D

Just to let you all know next Wednesday in the hull daily mail there is a commercial property pullout.

I say gentlemen, isn't it frightfully windy?

Wind is so strong that it blew my fedora down the high street and caused my lapels to blow up and slap me in the face!

Not to mention i've lost my pocket square!

It's hard being a chap during windy weather.

Ha, windy? The solution to your woes is to stop walking in such weather! Since I stopped walking and let the wheels rake the strain in my car, inclement weather rarely bothers me now.

This isn't a Hull & Humber related story, so I thought i'd post it here.

Found this very interesting. Makes one wonder how many buildings are like this around the country. Doubt we'd be lucky enough to have any. :(

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/news/good-clad-ugly/article-3217586-detail/article.html

What were they thinking of, covering the whole building in that stuff. I've been in there and its a very messy layout, very diferent to Hammonds which does suggest that its made up of different buildings that were linked together. Looking at it from above confirms that.

Hey everyone I'm back or at least on the train back from a couple of days in London.

And I thought although I've been many times, this time I thought most about what can or what does hull have to do to create a more 'london' feel? Bars, cafes and restaurants are everywhere. Great shopping streets and a 24 hour feel etc

I for one am happy that Hull doesn't have a 'London feel'. I am probably in the minority here, but I really dislike London. I find it overated as a place, arrogant, rude and unpleasent.

Not to mention the London centric Government and how London is the only place that matters...

I for one am happy that Hull doesn't have a 'London feel'. I am probably in the minority here, but I really dislike London. I find it overated as a place, arrogant, rude and unpleasent.

Not to mention the London centric Government and how London is the only place that matters...


I doubt very much if you are in a minority!

Huge numbers of people who live 'down there' would agree with you.

Oh, jolly good. :)

Jut saw this video on Yahoo, thought it might interest other folk on here. I found it brilliant!

http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/8751566/24297482

Well what I'm saying is hull is known to be a friendly place so why can we have the cosmopolitan culture without the arrogance, ruddiness and over priceness. It's just hull seems to be a 9 till 5 city many not even working in the city centre and the weekend not been very busy. It would be nice to see restaurants, cafes and bars full all day and night and shopping streets packed, developments every where of modern office/retail etc developments. What we need is a large office based employer to bring a HQ to hull that would therefore kickstart other office etc developments. We are one of few 'large citys' that doesn't have a business 'area'.

Also as this is the skybar does anyone have any information predicting the population in the future of Kingston upon Hull? On many threads they have provided a link to pridict there future populations and it would be interesting to find out Hulls predictions.

When I get my laptop out I'll try and find the projections, failing that I'll check at next week at work as we've something very similar that should give you an idea of the future, if I remember it correctly Hulls pop. Increases slightly, with east riding growing by larger amount - However there's a distinct change to the age profile with big increases in both LAs in over65s and drop in number of sub18 (though not by as much in Hull) however the growth in hull is forecast to come from immigration from eastern Europe with declining British born working age...

Found the link

http://www.yhpho.org.uk/resource/view.aspx?RID=92162

Thanks for that, so not much of a change? :( I want busy and cosmopolitan living! This could all change though from the jobs from the renewable sector?

I want busy and cosmopolitan living!

You could move to Princes Avenue?

We will not be seeing it in Hull City Centre any time soon, the renewables sector will be spread out, with many of the jobs being scattered around the Humber.

I agree, that effort should be put into making the city centre a less 9-5 place, but it takes a hell of a lot to do this. Cities other than London have struggled with this for years, and with the University campus being quite a way out of the city centre there is not that to help.

If only Lincoln Uni campus was given the green light on the marina, things could have been so much different.

Indeed. Lincoln university has transformed Lincoln. They're currently building a HUGE hilton hotel as I speak opposite the campus. There is (was) no recession in Lincoln. New builds springing up and refirbs of buildings and roads being "re-cobbled".

The downside of course is that after a certain time, the only people in the city are the homeless and students stumbling into one discusting generic nightclub/bar after another. Before throwing up in the street, throwing kebab everywhere, destroying anthing on their way home and singing football chants at 3am.

At least they can be avoided by going up Steep Hill and enjoying some fine ales, spectacular buildings and polite, friendly people.

I didn't realize the Hilton was that large? I thought it was only around 5 storys?

And do you have any info about this Lincoln uni capus on fruit market?

Also couldn't hull uni expand into the city centre in the future? And what does a city have to have a metropolitan university?

Also couldn't hull uni expand into the city centre in the future? And what does a city have to have a metropolitan university?

'Metropolitan' universities are often just former polytechnics that have been turned into higher education degree awarding centres and have become cities second centres to be awarded university status - similar to when Hull had two universities until 10 years ago - Humberside University moved it's main campus to Lincoln and changed it's name.

There were plans to build an arts campus for Humberside Uni on what is now Humber Quays by the marina in the late 90's. There are pics of the plans somewhere on the full summary thread.

I'm sure I heard someone on here say that in the future hull college may be granted a university status?

It's not uncommon for particularly large and successful further education colleges to develop into awarding degrees and become second universities - Humberside University itself grew out of the well established polytechnic - which itself began life as Hull school of art.

Hull College already offers a limited number of degrees and if it's success continues i wouldn't rule it out, although recent government policy on tuition fees etc. seem intent on reducing rather than expanding higher education opportunities for college leavers so if it is going to happen it is probably a long way off, and as far as i'm aware there are no concrete plans.

I didn't realize the Hilton was that large? I thought it was only around 5 storys??

I can see it from my apartment and it is 6 or 7 stories, but it is still a alrge development if not tall. You only need to look at it to see how large it is. I will post photographs if you would like old bean.

Might aswell :) it is the skybar, I did see some images in it's early stages on the Lincoln full sumary page but it's not updated regally :D

I for one am happy that Hull doesn't have a 'London feel'. I am probably in the minority here, but I really dislike London. I find it overated as a place, arrogant, rude and unpleasent.

Not to mention the London centric Government and how London is the only place that matters...

Totally agree, I hate to slag places off but to me London is a shit tip. I get forced down there to meetings and events every month or so and always try to aviod going. As soon as you enter Kings Cross its like an alien world and you first think am I in England. As for the tube I have felt safer riding the metro in Paris or catching the subway to Harlem in New York.

What I will say is that the shopping is top class as you would expect from your nations capital.

Returned on Saturday from visiting friends in the Big Smoke. Full of arrogant, ignorant, rude people. Sat on the excellent Hull trains service, next too 2 londoners and 2 cardiff fans having an in depth chat about their football teams. The subject got to Hull and they slated the place, even though 3 of them had never been.

Hull trains- it was ok preferred east coast though, the train ride was alot smoother and there was free wifi (well it used to be) now it's 15 mins free but I found a way around the system :D

While in London I notice on the tube several advertisements for different citys; sheffield, Manchester and Leeds.

London simply doesn't feel British or English to me. It gives me the feeling of being in a foreign country where I don't feel entirely comfortable or at home, so to speak.

That's what I don't like about it. Oh, and it's overly expensive.

However, London is one of the greatest cities in the world and has some excellent places to visit such as museums and shops.

London does have a Americanized feel though, you walk through leister square and just think of the names/brands you can remember

TGI Fridays
M&M world
Odeon
Ben & Jerrys
Etc.....

You have to go to to the 'smaller areas for the independent pubs, cafes and restaurants plus great brand shops. Although oxford street is good the traffic is a nightmare, the street scene is horrendous and down the whole street the is a constant repetition of the same old brands, topshop, h&m etc, the streets off it offer the different brands that are less around, regent street offers the more well known upmarket brands such as apple, abercrombie & fitch etc.

What hull needs is a 'real' shopping street a street full of a vibrant mix of cafes (say the likes of pret a mangers and EAT.s) restaurants and shops that we all know would do very well in hull; holister, urban outfitters, jack wills, jack jones, Lyle and Scott, John Lewis, apple, all saints...... Ferensway could become hulls equivalent to oxford street? The old TG huges and argues unit could become a decent say 8 story building incorperating apartments, a department store, a hotel, a cafe/restaurant and one or two retailers say urban outfitters and hollister. It would also be nice if hull had a smaller version of covent garden independent and chains of restaurants, cafes and shops.


Just a thought :D

We should have gone for the Olympics too.

Returned on Saturday from visiting friends in the Big Smoke. Full of arrogant, ignorant, rude people. Sat on the excellent Hull trains service, next too 2 londoners and 2 cardiff fans having an in depth chat about their football teams. The subject got to Hull and they slated the place, even though 3 of them had never been.

...At which point you're supposed to turn to them and stick it to them. I always do and always win the arguement.

Call them ignorant sheep, following the herd like the Southern-based, uneducated media... then ask them if they get ALL their opinions from a bald bloke and fat bird on Channel 4, or perhaps, even though they're snobbishly passing snide comments, they get their info from the chavvy, gutter-press that are the red-tops? ...very classy - (then add) I now see why you live in London where you are 12 times more likely to be stabbed than you are in Hull and are surrounded by some of the biggest slums, sorry, 'ghetto's' in the U.K... and the only reason Cardiff's a half-decent size is because it's classed as 'another country' so classed as a 'capital'.

...And dazzars suggestion really would do Hull a lot of favours, just slag off where they are from, that'l do the job and wont make you look insular at all.

Like it or not some people like it here others dont, but many people will have been here either way.

I just think get over it, does it really matter?

More a case of giving them a taste of their own medicine. Having pride doesn't mean you're insular. It's about time more people from this area just stopped accepting people slagging the city off - being a nob to some idiots (who're obviously insular themselves - making remarks on a place they've never visited!) who have obviously already got their mind set on 'what Hull is like' isn't going to change a thing no matter what you say to them, so if they go away thinking I'm insular, has anything really changed? no - but at least I gave as good back.

Agree with dazzer as I often say the same, it's not really slaging a city off for telling what you think of there city, see if they like it. And after the argument I tend to finish with have you been? If the answer is no I'm thinking stfu then and stop relying on the short eyed media.

Sorry it just really annoys me :)

just ask WHY ? it usually causes a momentary panic while they search for reasons... then demolish the reasons given (usually easy to do) - no need to be offensive, indeed they might have a point on somethings - but theres usually a good reason why!

They're usually too thick to have reasons 'why' it's usually just; "Because it's a shithole" ..."Why is it?" ...."Because it is" - that's usually the best they can do.

Look at it another way, if you're not married, imagine you are for a second... would you sit there silent if someone was slagging your missus off, even if they had never spoken to her before?

The fact of the matter is, Hull took a pasting during WWI & WWII and never got money to rebuild. I've heard stories from my great-gran about how the great people of Hull stood up and fought for their city during them wars - all for idiots such as those on the train to make poor remarks about it - if Hull was a person, it would be classed as a hero and would be respected, but because it's a city that has suffered due to those wars, it's a joke to people.

What a great way to put it.

That is a great way of putting it. One thing that did surprise me, was the effect the sight of the Humber Bridge & the foreshore had on them. The phone camera's were out and the gasps of approval.

You should of said, is that what you saw on the tele?
Welcome to the real hull.

In my opinion hull is no different to many other major cities when coming in on the train.if only the city centre expanded past st Stephens and was filled with vibrant shops and modern buildings as a sort of welcome to hull thing.
In london kings cross, when you come out of the dated (but been revamped) station you are greeted by a building similar to the new york hotel building and several other dated buildings.

Also as we are in the skybar does anyone think hull with have a major development boom in the future?

'dated' ?!

The New York Hotel building is excellent. A fine surviving example of that end of Anlaby Roads glory years. It is a tragic shame that it has been allowed to fall into dereliction.Remember - once it has gone, it has gone forever.

No, no other dated buildings, I agree with you there must be a way the new York hotel could be rebuilt to it's former glory- but I mean that there was a building at the enterance of kings cross was in the identical state as the new York hotel.

Re: Lincoln Hilton Hotel construction.

My camera decided not to work, but I found this which shows how it looked a week or so ago. It's much futher forwards towards the waterfront now. Indeed the steel framework looks about done.

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/news/ROOMS-VIEW-HOTEL-TAKES-SHAPE/article-3103795-detail/article.html

I've been thinking, ages ago somebody on here posted a link of all the restaurant/café operators tried for st stephens unit 33 (health central)

I was wondering if whoever did post this would mind re posting this as I have a few things that it may help me with?

That unit now would probably be alot more attractive now the footfall has increased. I think that a prime unit like that should have a better tennant, finally why doesn't health central move into the new Albion square building? Or is it going to?

I remember seeing that too Hull. I've had a good look for it on the full summary thread but it's a bit of a needle in a haystack - if anybody else could help it would be good?

Cheers for the effort, and yes that the problem though, there should be some kind of post search or something on SSC.

Like Legolamb said if anyone can help it would be great and would help me alot :)

If it helps - I remember reading that post on my Iphone on a weekend break to Scotland a few years ago which was around my birthday (October) but I don't know if it was '08 or '09.

That is helpful I'll have a browse :)

Cheers

Thank you very much I've found it,

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/doc/BackGround%20Papers-268898.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=268898&location=VOLUME1&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=5

You loyal SSC forumers never fail to help :)

Now Bewley's has gone is there anywhere in the city centre where one can purchase pipe tobacco?

Or should I stock up here in Lincoln before returning to the king's town in the summer?

Now Bewley's has gone is there anywhere in the city centre where one can purchase pipe tobacco?

Or should I stock up here in Lincoln before returning to the king's town in the summer?

Sorry, at the top of my head u can't think of any others, I'd say stock up just in case :)

[EDIT] a quick google search says that there's only one tobacconists left in hull, called JTG tobacconists down hessle road.

R.E the list of potential operators

I bet if those companies were tried again and the rent was lowered a little, one of those compaies would snap it up straight away. That unit would look better a restaurant/cafe use, and I awaly though the health central signage was cheap looking.

They have a ten year lease so there not going anywhere, what I don't understand is why can all these services move into the new Albion square development instead of invading every prime unit available? In hull every street you seem to walk down you see NHS.

Anyway the reason I needed or could do with that list is for a little bit of Market research, I'm currently negotiating with a developer on designing a restaurant space in hull city centre that would attract one of the big companies, and I need to find out what sort of unit these companies go for. Wish I could tell you more however can't go breaking rules can I :) I'll keep you updated if your interested?

Now Bewley's has gone is there anywhere in the city centre where one can purchase pipe tobacco?

Or should I stock up here in Lincoln before returning to the king's town in the summer?

I would stock up.

There is that smokers kiosk near Ferens Art Gallery but I would imagine they sell mostly standard stuff. If you have a specialist taste then stock up while you can.

Thank awfully. I shall stock up. Terrible shame there are few proper tobacconists anymore.

With all the new of the bid, what does everyone think about it?

Do we have a chance? Who are we up against? What do we need to do to sucure the bid?

Well the positives we could put forward in the bid could be:
•we have alot of dining/eaterie developments proposed
•we have the KC with possible and indeed ambitious plans with it
•we have a strong rugby league culture
Etc...

The negatives could be:
•we are lacking hotels, and there are not enough reliable proposals that contain hotel developments
•our transport links, compared to other bidding cities, are poor (though granted we do have the docks.
Etc...

Benifits if Hulls application is permitted:
•regeneration may be attracted to the city via private developments
•the economy will be signiffiently better off
•just a overall positive event for the city (although will probably not create as much vibrancy as freedom festival)
Etc...

How many grounds are they looking for and whats the geographical spread? As for benefits depends on how many games and what size of crowd..

^^^^
That's the thing I'm not really sure :s

Also as I'm in the skybar, we are getting alot of stories about developments proposed which are relying on the governments regional growth fund.

Manor properties
The river
This digital hub building
Ings regeneration
West hull regeneration

So does anyone know when we will find out if any money will be given to any of these schemes?

http://www.bis.gov.uk/policies/economic-development/regional-growth-fund

With all the new of the bid, what does everyone think about it?

Do we have a chance? Who are we up against? What do we need to do to sucure the bid?

I think Hull will have a suceesful bid with at least one 'major' tie being played at the KC, no doubt at all. I cannot see Craven park holding a tie but maybe being used as a training facility.

There is a rough draft of venues etc on here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rugby_League_World_Cup

I think more cities will submit applications in the near future.
I do expect the final to be held at Old Trafford but would not rule out Cardiff Millennium Stadium.

Also as I'm in the skybar, we are getting alot of stories about developments proposed which are relying on the governments regional growth fund.

Manor properties
The river
This digital hub building
Ings regeneration
West hull regeneration

So does anyone know when we will find out if any money will be given to any of these schemes?

http://www.bis.gov.uk/policies/economic-development/regional-growth-fund

Anyone know? Please :)