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Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 10:03 AM
"Extension of the Victoria Palace - HQ of the Romanian Government"

On the 14th of July 2007, at 9.30 a.m., the second phase of the jury proceedings of the international architecture contest “The Extension of the Victoria Palace” took place, in the Transilvania Hall of the Victoria Palace in Bucharest.

The Jury:
Miguel BAUDIZZONE
Mario BOTTA – president of the jury
Dragos CONDREA
Victor GIOSAN
Dan Sergiu HANGANU
Olufemi MAJEKODUNMI
Pere RIERA
Emil Barbu POPESCU – deputy member

All the projects have complied with the conditions stipulated by the regulations and the contest program.

The winner of the contest was declared to be:

de Architekten Cie – Amsterdam / Netherlands
Arch. Branimir MEDIC
Arch. Pero PULJIZ

identification number 050906

Related to the winning project, the jury made the final comments as follows:

The project distinguishes itself through the clarity of the solution to reconstruct an urban block, and through the subtlety of the connection with the Victoria Palace, illustrating a good relation with a monumental historical building.

The extension is perfectly adapted to the functional and flexibility requirements of the program, having a good internal relation with the existing building. We recommend though the enlargement of the underground areas, which have a reduced size compared to the other project proposals.
The project proposes a solution capable of bringing betnefits from the point of view of energy saving, comfort and environmental equilibrium.
Through its scale, simplicity and transparency, the project is a sign of intelligent modernity, putting forward a contemporary European answer for assigning dignity to a public function.

As a general principle, the jury recommends that the Romanian authorities extend the procedure of architectural contests, both for its quality as such, as well as for its capacity to create value in the context of the international competition between cities.

The Jury congratulates the Romanian government for the initiative of this competition and, taking into account the importance of this structure, hopes the project will materialize in the shortest possibile time.
After deciding upon the winning project and formulating the conclusions and recommendations of the jury, the identity of the projects’ authors has been revealed.

Project 01 – identification number 472707

SCAU - Paris / France
Arch. Aymeric ZUBLENA
SARL Alain MANOILESCO Architecte - Paris / France
Arch. Alain MANOILESCO
Arch. Tanguy CROIZIER
Arch. Thomas BRAUNSTEIN
Arch. Florent CHAGNY

Project 02 – identification number 050906 – Winning project

CIE - de Architekten Cie – Amsterdam / Netherlands
Arch. Branimir MEDIC
Arch. Pero PULJIZ

Project 03 – identification number 030186

Leon Wohlhage Wernik Architekten – Berlin / Germany
Arch. Hilde LEON
Arch. Konrad WOHLHAGE
Arch. Siegfried WERNIK
Raluca RADU - Bucharest / Romania

Project 04 – identification number 142711

Agence ARCHI-TECTURE - Paris / France
Agence ARCVISION - Bucharest / Romania
Agence PROCEMA INSTALATII S.R.L. - Bucharest / Romania
Agence BE CLEMENT - Dijon / France
Agence ATELIER CLADEN - Paris / France

Arch. Dan MUNTEANU
Arch. Stephane PERIANU
Arch. Mihai MUNTEANU
Arch. Amar LOUNAS
Arch. Sandra MUNTEANU
Arch. Glenn LEWKOWICZ
Arch. Smail BOUBAYA
Lysiane BONNIN
Anca Maria PASARIN

Arch. Associate: Agence ARCVISIONBucuresti/Romania, Arch. Bogdan Andrei FEZI

Project 05 – identification number 195027

WILMOTTE & ASSOCIES SA - Paris / France
DORIN STEFAN BIROU DE ARHITECTURA - Bucharest / Romania
ATELER D'ARCHITECTURE BELLON & TANASCAUX - Paris / France


Project 06 – identification number 010443

Adrien FAINSILBER et ASSOCIES - Nanterre / France
GRAPHIC STUDIO - Bucharest / Romania Source (http://www.cancelarie.ro/contest/)

And render of the winning project:

^^from the first post...

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2615/39227970di8.jpg


More renders:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6826/victoriapalacebuildingco.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3303/victoriapalacebuildingc.jpg

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3303/victoriapalacebuildingc.jpg

^^

Victoria Palace, Romania, de Architekten Cie., Building, Pictures, Design

Victoria Palace, Romania : Architecture Information

Romanian Government HQ by Dutch architects

de Architekten Cie. - Building information, Amsterdam

Jul 2007

de Architekten Cie. wins the extension of Victoria Palace, the HQ of the Romanian Government.



It has just been announced that the Amsterdam based architect’s office “de Architekten Cie.” has won the international competition for the enlargement of the Victoria Palace in Bucharest, Romania. The jury, consisting of nine experts, judged the design of Branimir Medi? en Pero Puljiz to be the best of the six international entrants. After the completion of the extension the Palace ensemble will have almost been doubled in size from the existing 23.000 m2 to the now programmed 46.000 m2.

A New Ensemble
The extension of Victoria Palace integrates the existing and the new building into a harmonious and representative ensemble for the HQ of the Romanian government. The E-shaped layout of the new extension finishes the footprint of the existing building, organizing the new ensemble around two central courtyards.

Representing Romania
The extension is organized around a diagonal promenade connecting all floors and different thematic interior and exterior gardens. Each garden represents a different region of Romania. The governmental hall is temporarily positioned in the centre of the extension and is attached to the Stairs of Honour in the existing building.

As One Articulated Volume
The elevation is materialized in the same stone as the existing building, but with a random mix of polished and raw pieces. The abstract window pattern and appearance of the winter gardens further render the elegance of the façade. The harmony of the new ensemble mirrors the values of Romanian democracy for now and for the future.

Architects: de Architekten Cie., Branimir Medić, Pero Puljiz

Project Team: de Architekten Cie., Wessel Vreugdenhil, Bas Horsting, Alexander Sverdlov, Marie Rival, Pim van Wylick, Matthias Ismael, Marga Landheer-Moscovici, Leo de Jong

Structural engineers: Arup, Amsterdam
Joop Paul, Jaap Wiedenhoff
Source (http://************************/romania/victoria_palace_building.htm)

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Victoria Palace extension | government building | Architect: CIE. (http://www1.cie.nl/home.aspx) | Location (http://wikimapia.org/#lat=44.452872&lon=26.088211&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2)
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/Sbz2ifc/PalatulVictoria2.jpg
^^

Cu placere! :cheers:

Guvern. Se pare ca ambele aripi sunt in consolidare:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6363/img0131ag.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/104/img0132rl.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5181/img0130ze.jpg

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 10:09 AM
^^ Mie imi place proiectul, se integreaza bine arhitectural in zona, dar cred ca ar fi mers foarte bine si un turn acolo, avand in vedere aglomerarea de turnuri in zona pietii Victoria. :cheers:

pescarush
June 11th, 2010, 10:12 AM
it was about time for this thread Le Clerk!:cheers:

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 10:16 AM
Yep! :):cheers:

Does anybody know where to get the renders for the other proposals? It'd be nice to have them here and even debate them. Thanks! :cheers:

pescarush
June 11th, 2010, 10:25 AM
^^http://www.oar-bucuresti.ro/evenimente/expo_concurs_palatul_victoria/mapa.pdf

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 10:30 AM
^^ Thanks. So the winning project was also the best of all (and better by a long shot from all other projects). Unfortunately, no high-rise proposal. Probably, because the beneficiary did not ask for a high-rise in the tender documentation. :(

cornel001
June 11th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Personal parca arata mai bine fara high-rise.
Au dat drumul la extensie ? N-am vazut nici o referire mai sus la asta.

Cosmin
June 11th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Nice/needed thread.:okay: No highrise is needed there, IMO. I think it looks better with an extension of same height and I like the project, as you may already know.

Can anyone confirm if the extension is U/C so we add the status in the thread title?

Ayceman
June 11th, 2010, 01:47 PM
But is the extension actually going to be built? It says that it was meant to complement the Palace, but also provide for a place where the government can move, while the Palace is being consolidated (it's seismic risk is 1) and the facade sculptures rebuilt. I see that works have already started on the Palace itself.

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Nice/needed thread.:okay: No highrise is needed there, IMO. I think it looks better with an extension of same height and I like the project, as you may already know.

Can anyone confirm if the extension is U/C so we add the status in the thread title?

^^

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3081/image362.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/image362.jpg/)

pescarush
June 11th, 2010, 09:39 PM
it s the first phase i guess! they must consolidate the building in order to begun extension.
and a quite recent article about it:
http://www.evz.ro/detalii/stiri/palatul-victoria-se-face-gras-895887.html

completion october 2011...yeah right:nuts:

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 09:48 PM
^^ There was a lot of work on the back side of the building (it was all scaffolding there).
But I agree it makes sense to consolidate the existing building ad then move to building the new one. :cheers:

pescarush
June 11th, 2010, 09:52 PM
and they also have to demolish some parts of the building in the back to make room for the extension.

Bogdan BMB
June 11th, 2010, 10:01 PM
:cheers: pt thread Le Clerk :okay:

Le Clerk
June 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM
^^ Thanks! :) :cheers:

pescarush
June 11th, 2010, 10:48 PM
here s the model.
sources:
http://www.cancelarie.ro/contest/index_ro.html
http://www.oar-bucuresti.ro/evenimente/concurs_guvern/

existing:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/545/palatvictoria06.jpg

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/1714/palatvictoria02.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5229/palatvictoria03.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2443/palatvictoria04.jpg

proposal:

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5038/22775281.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/670/33082366.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1647/20570850.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3412/74217122.jpg

nebunul
June 11th, 2010, 11:22 PM
^^ I'll say it again: what a great project :cheers: :master:

Waddler Elmo
June 12th, 2010, 04:36 PM
You know what would've been even more better? but it's way too impossible for Romania, to have a turf or an lawn-park in the back where the extension would be, and those buildings/commieblocks or whatever is there demolished. When saying this I'm thinking of an area like in front of the Reichstag in Berlin.
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/Waddler_Elmo/berlin-reichstag_200509DSC6312.jpg
That's what I mean, IMO in that way you could properly fully admire that extension.
But I'm just saying, honestly I don't even think they'll be able to build the extension in the first place :)

vinterriket
June 12th, 2010, 08:37 PM
You know what would've been even more better? but it's way too impossible for Romania, to have a turf or an lawn-park in the back where the extension would be, and those buildings/commieblocks or whatever is there demolished. When saying this I'm thinking of an area like in front of the Reichstag in Berlin.
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/Waddler_Elmo/berlin-reichstag_200509DSC6312.jpg
That's what I mean, IMO in that way you could properly fully admire that extension.
But I'm just saying, honestly I don't even think they'll be able to build the extension in the first place :)
I think that the green area for people to sit and enjoy the view could be a better idea for the area in front of the Parliament. But that's just day dreaming.

Ayceman
June 12th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Not really, the plan for the area of the Parliament (Uranus Bd, Cathedral, other projects) also includes a proposal for the area in front (basically opening it).

Waddler Elmo
June 12th, 2010, 09:02 PM
Yeah, that place works too, I guess there were others that wrote about that, Izvor isn't a park alright, with a little work and imagination it could be turned into something like that, it's not that hard, just make a straight and smooth grass field. But if nobody gave a shit about that area up until now I already lost my hope that they'll do something in this moment.

As for the new extension, what bothers me is that the nicest views of it will be blocked by other buildings so it'll be hard to fully admire that part, it'll just be there. Like having a picture on the wall covered by the fridge :down:

P.S. wanna know what I thought of having in front the parliament? Miroir d´eau. I've written that in architecture (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=978922&page=5) and added some pics regarding that idea cause it would've been kinda off-topic here, maybe it's a good idea.

pescarush
September 9th, 2010, 07:56 AM
any updates? maybe some pics with the courtyard in the back, where the extension will be built?! someone?

kataphraktor
September 9th, 2010, 10:19 AM
^^

printre altele se doreste refacerea reliefurilor lui Mac Constantinescu. mai multe detalii despre ele AICI. (http://armyuser.blogspot.com/2010/01/reliefurile-lui-mac-constantinescu.html)

giovani kun
September 12th, 2010, 12:29 AM
OMG I don't like it .. looks TERRIBLY UGLYYYYYYYYYYY

Bogdy
September 28th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Deci pe cuvant daca am inteles ceva din proiectul asta. Se extinde palatul sau ce? Si cum ramane o parte din sticla si una normal, sau si aripa veche se imbraca in sticla?

Le Clerk
September 28th, 2010, 01:41 PM
^^ Deocamdata se consolideaza seismic cladirea si se refac fatadele interbelice. Extinderea nu e inclusa in autorizatia existenta.

Bogdy
September 28th, 2010, 01:45 PM
Iar fatada se reface cu marmura de cararra?

Le Clerk
September 28th, 2010, 01:47 PM
^^ Asta nu o stiu.

MARIVS IMPERATOR
October 16th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Ce hidosenie! Sincer mie nu imi place deloc! Extensia asta nu continua in niciun fel cladirea veche, ci pare mai mult o cocoasa dizgratioasa in spatele palatului. E o cutie de sticla si metal, impersonala, care nu ofera nimic altceva decat un spatiu in plus pentru birourile Guvernului. Daca uratenia asta se va construi, sper macar sa se refaca bazoreliefurile lui Mac Constantinescu de pe fatada palatului.

mitsurughi
October 16th, 2010, 02:51 PM
Crezi ca ai ochiul antrenat? Da-ne motive palpabile daca tot iti exprimi parerea personala.

pescarush
October 16th, 2010, 03:18 PM
eh, e doar un iubitor de vechi si un nostalgic, la fel ca majoritatea cetatenilor, nimic nu s ar potrivi acelei opere de arta numit Palatul Victoria, nimic nu s ar putea ridica la nivelul asteptarilor!
astept o argumentatie pertinenta, contra.
ca faza cu, cutia de otel si sticla nu sta in picioare.

si da, basoreliefurile lui Mac Constantinescu se refac, dar deh, te ai inflamat la vederea unei imagini randate si nu ai mai citit celelalte posturi...

stereodoping
October 16th, 2010, 08:24 PM
E incredibil cum reactioneaza lumea la "monstrii de sticla si otel", chiar daca sunt in pas cu tendintele europene de calitate (clar - faptul ca nu exista un PUG coerent e adevarat dar e si o cu totul alta problema). Nu vad pe nimeni sa se oftice de vilele cu turnulete si bloculetele hidoase care au aparut peste tot.

Fallen
October 17th, 2010, 12:06 AM
Extensia mi se pare si mie cel putin urata..... cladirea in sine poate e ok, dar fatada e groaznica. Geamurile sunt prea mici. Prefer cladirile cu pereti intregi de sticla, cu geamurile de o singura culoare sau de nuante foarte apropiate (si nu geamuri baltate cum este America House. Nu cred ca nuantele geamurilor de la America House au vreun pattern clar. Sunt puse random, iar haosul de genul mi se pare de prost gust.)

Asta e parerea mea de om de rand asa ca va rog sa nu-mi sariti in cap.

bgp
October 17th, 2010, 03:38 PM
Site-ul firmei care a proiectat extensia:

http://www1.cie.nl/projects/architecture/public/victoria-paleis,-boekarest.aspx

EduardSA
October 17th, 2010, 06:14 PM
When will construction start?

nebunul
October 17th, 2010, 08:12 PM
E incredibil cum reactioneaza lumea la "monstrii de sticla si otel"

La mai multi "monstrii" dintr-astia ii dorec Bucurestiului :cheers:
Apropos, am trecut prin zona recent si tot nu m-am edificat in privinta macaralei din spatele guvernului ?! O fi lucrand la extensie?! :nuts:

MARIVS IMPERATOR
October 17th, 2010, 10:04 PM
@Pescarush

Eu nu m-am inflamat! Nostalgic? Poate, dar nu am pomenit nimic ca as fi contra arhitecturii moderne, ci am scris ca ACEASTA EXTENSIE mi se pare o hidosenie!
Oamenii din fiecare epoca au construit conform vremurilor sub care se aflau, manati de anumite tendinte, dorinte sau interese, deci nu pot eu sa spun acum sa nu se faca nimic din metal si sticla doar pentru ca mie imi plac mai mult cladirile vechi. Am zis doar ca mi se pare urata extensia, ca asta e parerea mea si daca nu va convine, atunci sa fiti sanatosi :)
Am vazut pe un alt topic cum sunteti foarte porniti impotriva palatelor tiganesti. Urate, intr-adevar, insa acelea se pot incadra mai mult la arhitectura vernaculara, iar "arhitectii" responsabili in mod sigur nu au studiat 5 ani de zile in vreo facultate spre a scorni asemenea uratenii. Dar aceasta este alta discutie.
Arhitectura actuala ofera si multe exemple de buna calitate, deci nu pot spune ca-s total impotriva ei, nu pot sa-i neg progresul tehnic. Extensia Palatului Victoria, ma repet, nu mi se pare a avea nimic din sclipirea unui arhitect, ci doar stiinta calcului vreunui inginer iscusit. Va rog sa remarcati ca nu am laudat cu nimic Palatul Victoria, nici stilul acestuia si nici n-am zis ca-i vreo capodopera.

Bogdy
October 19th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Deocamdată mai este până acolo. Întâi să vedem numai clădirea consolidată seismic şi basoreliefurile!

nebunul
October 22nd, 2010, 04:40 PM
Last week
http://imgur.com/cDS3o.jpg
Apropos, am trecut prin zona recent si tot nu m-am edificat in privinta macaralei din spatele guvernului ?! O fi lucrand la extensie?! :nuts:

cornel001
October 22nd, 2010, 07:12 PM
pai daca tot esti in zona du-te si intreaba-i si apoi spune-ne si noua :D

bgp
November 18th, 2011, 03:47 PM
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/5382/webcamz.jpg

Jurnalul National (http://www.jurnalul.ro/webcam/bucuresti.html#11)

Au dat jos schelele de pe fatada dar n-au refacut basoreliefurile.:(

Fallen
November 18th, 2011, 04:15 PM
Intrebarea este: au facut ceva?

Am trecut destul de des pe langa cladire si nu prea am vazut muncitori prin zona..

cornel001
November 18th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Da! Le-au luat 1 an sau cat a fost ca sa puna niste marmura sau ce e aia, noua, sau s-o slefuiasca ! Atat se vede din afara !

bgp
November 18th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Poate face cineva poze, sa vedem si noi, cei care nu suntem din Bucuresti?

Le-au luat 1 an sau cat a fost ca sa puna niste marmura sau ce e aia, noua, sau s-o slefuiasca !

Parca era vorba ca il si consolideaza, nu?

cornel001
November 18th, 2011, 04:29 PM
Pai d-asta am zis "ce se vede din afara", ca nu stiu ce or mai fi facut pe dedesubt.

24days
November 18th, 2011, 04:39 PM
Am asteptat momentu' asta degeaba. Cakt. Ce dezamagire ! >(

Fallen
November 18th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Materialul pe care l-au pus aia pe exterior arata tot la fel de murdar ca si inainte. Ma indoiesc a este vorba de marmura noua. Mai degraba au pus la loc ce era inainte..

AndreiB
November 18th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Probabil ca doar au consolidat-o.

Clinlin
November 18th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Au fost doar lucrari de consolidare.

In cadrul proiectului, sumele sunt alocate doar pentru consolidarea cladirii si refacerea zonelor afectate de consolidare, nu si pentru alte lucrari privind refacerea basoreliefurilor si a capetelor de leu de la fantanile initiale ale Palatului Victoria", se arata intr-un comunicat trimis joi de RAAPPS.

Institutia subliniaza in acelasi timp ca lucrarile, al caror proiect tehnic a fost aprobat in 2007, vor costa in total peste 55 milioane de lei, adica aproximativ 13 milioane de euro si au termen de finalizare decembrie 2011. Pana acum s-au peste 38 milioane de lei.

Sursa (http://www.ziare.com/emil-boc/guvern/emil-boc-a-lasat-cladirea-guvernului-fara-arteziene-cu-capete-de-leu-1113659)

cornel001
November 18th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Aum vazut ca are un aspect mai de "nou", culori mai vii.

DrunkMonkey
November 19th, 2011, 07:49 PM
pai stai asa, si renderul ala ( imi e lene sa caut acum ) pentru ce era daca nu au modificat nimic la exterior?

Clinlin
November 19th, 2011, 08:02 PM
Te referi la corpul nou ce ar trebui construit in spatele guvernului, spre depoul Victoriei?

DrunkMonkey
November 19th, 2011, 08:26 PM
a da, abia acum mi-am dat seama ca era vorba de o extensie si nu de refacerea fatadei http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/harleyrider_2008/facepalm1.gif