Someone comment that what the government focus is the kampung-kampung.

The only solution that i can think in my opinion, build APM (automated people mover) from Sunway to KTM station such as Subang Jaya or Setia Jaya.

KTM is hopeless, the condition of the train is... :nuts: Unless they have more new trains serving a line...

frankly speaking ,our government should improve the bus system first rather spending billions of our tax payers money to build this MRT. Moreover the budget allocations is prior to Klang Valley only,do the people in Putrajaya not realised that there are cities n towns around malaysia as a whole still dont have a good quality transportation infrastructure..i believe Sabahan n Sarawakians definitely want a decent public transport as what peninsular hv right now especially Klang Valley, n how about the northern peninsular such as in Penang where the traffic is getting worse by day but no budget allocations on their transports.. please this country is belong to Malaysians not to KL's people only,thats allocations of national budget should be spread fairly among Malaysians..

In France, Paris is a world class tourist spot due to the iconic Eiffel Tower and that's all it matters. We should emulate the same strategy, esp from Singapore, and turn KL/KV into a livable and vibrant city.

One question - If you have 10 cows with 2 cows producing good breed. With a limited budget that you have, wouldn't it natural for you to allocate more money to that 2 cows? Because these two cows could give you a higher yield for your investment.

oh my goodness,u dont see the reality in malaysia..in malaysia,all that 10 cows producing milk , so as per ur claimed another states beside KL n Selangor not contribute much to national GDP so they dont deserved a better quality infrastructure.. thats rm40billion man,we must share altogether fair.. ok,maybe rm10-rm15billion is fine for me if it is for KL MRT, but rm40billion(with escalating cost soon) is too much for just one project only..

poor sabahn n sarawakians or east coast peninsular which totally dont get any benefit at all for this allocations of budget eventhough their states is among the highest producer of minerals,gas,petrol,timber etc n contribute alot to federal government.. at least federal government build a tram rail thats really kind enough..

sarawak and sabah do not have enough population to deserve such projects. govt should improve argicultural and manufacturing (except petrochemical) industry in malaysian borneo.

in my opinion, govt should make lands in sabah and sarawak easily available for local bumis (iban, kedayan, etc) and encourage them to have small estates in the region. Then boost up sago industry in Mukah division, and make Rajang delta become main paddy producer of south-east Asia paralleling Chao Phraya delta in Thailand. Sarawak have large plains available for argiculture, this do also encourage emigration from crowded west malaysia. Sabah is suitable for tourism, fishing industry and highland argiculture industry: like tea planting industry. With total population of Malaysian Borneo of 8 million, govt should start to build the railway (with masterplan planned now: which population of Malaysian Borneo is 6 million) from Kuching to Tawau, and must be ready before the population of Malaysian Borneo exceeds 15 million. Until such population, the industrial goods and passenger is enough to sustain the railway construction cost. Of course it is single track not electricfied. Double tracked electrification should start when the population reach 25 million and 100'000 TEU shipped over the line.

Still got many matters need to solve in Sabah and Sarawak. Problems in Sabah and Sarawak cant be solved by only allocate money to there, because the people will still not get anything from the funds. Sabah and Sarawak should go into drastic economic reform as first step.

Malaysian Borneo constitutes only 20% of Malaysian population, but KL-Selangor constitutes 25%, West Coast of the peninsula constitutes roughly 60% of national population, and 70% of the GDP (source: http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=450:gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state-2008-updated-17052010&catid=40:gross-domestic-product-by-state&Itemid=61&lang=en).

oh my goodness,u dont see the reality in malaysia..in malaysia,all that 10 cows producing milk , so as per ur claimed another states beside KL n Selangor not contribute much to national GDP so they dont deserved a better quality infrastructure.. thats rm40billion man,we must share altogether fair.. ok,maybe rm10-rm15billion is fine for me if it is for KL MRT, but rm40billion(with escalating cost soon) is too much for just one project only..

poor sabahn n sarawakians or east coast peninsular which totally dont get any benefit at all for this allocations of budget eventhough their states is among the highest producer of minerals,gas,petrol,timber etc n contribute alot to federal government.. at least federal government build a tram rail thats really kind enough..

For MNCs to relocate to Msia, we need a global lively and vibrant CITY, and KL/KV falls into this category. To promote Msia at the global stage, we need a global branding, and again, KL/KV is the right choice. Part of the process of urbanization is to develop the TOP TIER CITY (again, KL/KV is the ONLY candidate for Msia) and then compete globally esp with SG, HK and Shanghai/Beijing.

Once we reach this stage, then we can start talking about those kampongs and ulu places... the BIG boys out there only look at things at MACRO views, unlike the small ants with MICRO views :)

For MNCs to relocate to Msia, we need a global lively and vibrant CITY, and KL/KV falls into this category. To promote Msia at the global stage, we need a global branding, and again, KL/KV is the right choice. Part of the process of urbanization is to develop the TOP TIER CITY (again, KL/KV is the ONLY candidate for Msia) and then compete globally esp with SG, HK and Shanghai/Beijing.

Once we reach this stage, then we can start talking about those kampongs and ulu places... the BIG boys out there only look at things at MACRO views, unlike the small ants with MICRO views :)

Some people just want to play Robin Hood without really understanding we are talking about managing a real economy. And we are not living in an ideal world. Tough and unpopulist decisions have to be made.

oh my goodness,u dont see the reality in malaysia..in malaysia,all that 10 cows producing milk , so as per ur claimed another states beside KL n Selangor not contribute much to national GDP so they dont deserved a better quality infrastructure.. thats rm40billion man,we must share altogether fair.. ok,maybe rm10-rm15billion is fine for me if it is for KL MRT, but rm40billion(with escalating cost soon) is too much for just one project only..

poor sabahn n sarawakians or east coast peninsular which totally dont get any benefit at all for this allocations of budget eventhough their states is among the highest producer of minerals,gas,petrol,timber etc n contribute alot to federal government.. at least federal government build a tram rail thats really kind enough..

let me say this, you has 10 cows, 2 cows so rajin,they produce more milk

but the other cow, some dont even produce enough amount of milk to offset their own food expenditure..

and your solution is to take food from the 2 cow (which earn it by the way) and give it to the other cow that produce slightly more milk than before, and certainly way off that what the 2 cows can produce on the same amount of food..:lol:

you gonna go bust man:)

let me say this, you has 10 cows, 2 cows so rajin,they produce more milk

but the other cow, some dont even produce enough amount of milk to offset their own food expenditure..

and your solution is to take food from the 2 cow (which earn it by the way) and give it to the other cow that produce slightly more milk than before, and certainly way off that what the 2 cows can produce on the same amount of food..:lol:

you gonna go bust man:)

u fr KL, no wonder..

anyway,any updates of this costliest project so far?any news?usually it takes 6mth after announcement for the construction takes place,so maybe we can expect on June 2011 for the pecah tanah earliest , or with hanky panky/objection fr NGOs/local community it might be on end of 2011..if let say it finished by 2016,it'll be launched on the same time with Jakarta MRT(13 stations only)

If Klang Valley is a region that better bus service alone can solve the current traffic situation, the region should not be called Klang Valley.

First thing, the road condition in Klang Valley is not suitable for BRT. Roads in Klang Valley is already under overcapacity, better bus services: we have large bus fleet in Klang Valley but it didn't help much also, because ride a bus is much more time costly than driving. I personally drive to meet clients because many places I don't even know how to go by bus especially Selayang and Gombak, even I lived in KL for 22 years since my birth. In KL, buses are stucked all over the road during rush hours, unless a special lane dedicated only for bus carved out from the road, this do increase the efficiency of the bus, but it make the already overcapacity roads in KL more overcapacity.

Many arterial roads in KL are built in two or three lane dual carriageway or four lane bi-directional single carriageway like Jalan Pudu, Jalan Cheras, Jalan Tun Perak, Jalan Tun Tan Cheng Lock, these roads already overcongested with two lanes, carve one more lane dedicated for bus? Never.

Roads in KL city center can't be widened and remapping already. If it can do, it costs alot - including compensation for land acquisition.

So, when road can't provide better rapid transit because of overcapacity, rail will be another option. Shinkansen in Japan is built because of Tokyo-Nagoya-Osaka travelling demand skyrocketing and Haneda Airport is congested, and the railroad between Tokyo and Osaka in 1960s can't increase more train services, build more expressway connecting this two cities costs very high, then they chose Shinkansen as alternative. We can't build more highways in KL anymore, people will blame govt for toll, toll, toll... two more expressway planned in KL, one of them is underconstruction, spanning above Sg. Kerayong, because no land available, they expressway build on the river instead.

That's why a fully functioning metro system that available in whole KL, make every people live within vicinity of MRT station in 500m to 1km must completed in 2020. For me GAMUDA-MMC's proposal is not enough, I think KL need 2 more lines, 1 run through from Kota Damansara to Phileo Damansara, then run through PJ from North to South: Section 17, 52A, New Town, Assunta Hospital and Old Town, then connect with Sri Petaling Line in Kinrara. One more line runs from KL Sentral to USJ via Mid Valley, Bukit Angkasa, Old Klang Road, Petaling Utama, Kg. Medan and Sunway. These areas have high population density.

u fr KL, no wonder..

anyway,any updates of this costliest project so far?any news?usually it takes 6mth after announcement for the construction takes place,so maybe we can expect on June 2011 for the pecah tanah earliest , or with hanky panky/objection fr NGOs/local community it might be on end of 2011..if let say it finished by 2016,it'll be launched on the same time with Jakarta MRT(13 stations only)

i was born there, but i hate the concentration ler:lol:

i mean why everything had to be build in the KV? like private initiated project or govermental infrastructure project but lots of public institution like university,research centre, industrial zone can all be build elsewhere kan?:lol:

not all cow are born to produce milk, let the other 8 cows to find it nitch and strength... then we get more money:banana:



For MNCs to relocate to Msia, we need a global lively and vibrant CITY, and KL/KV falls into this category. To promote Msia at the global stage, we need a global branding, and again, KL/KV is the right choice. Part of the process of urbanization is to develop the TOP TIER CITY (again, KL/KV is the ONLY candidate for Msia) and then compete globally esp with SG, HK and Shanghai/Beijing.

Once we reach this stage, then we can start talking about those kampongs and ulu places... the BIG boys out there only look at things at MACRO views, unlike the small ants with MICRO views

KV is as big as sydney, but the australian do build other city that are world class also,..maybe thats the model where we should look upon..to capitalized on each region strength and develop it..

project alicel, if the road are pack, then it is right to introduce BRT, one bus lane carried (i forgot how many fold) more than if it utilized by car..so it increase efficiencies as well as discouraging people to drive thus increase usage of PT..:banana:..coz it cheaper,more area would be cover then by building expensive and limited elevated nor underground transit which make sence in KL urban core but not it suburbs

driving is a bad thing, it burn a hole in our nation coffer as well as the ozone layer,

Or we choose an option : elevated/underground BRT.

^^ i think people will ketawa at us if we do that

the whole point of BRT is to build ir cheap and fast while effected more places than normal rail could..when the number reach beyond BRT capacity the line will be replace by MRT

Or we choose an option : elevated/underground BRT.

If build elevated BRT, might as well opt for rail.

^^ i think people will ketawa at us if we do that

the whole point of BRT is to build ir cheap and fast while effected more places than normal rail could..when the number reach beyond BRT capacity the line will be replace by MRT

BRT?..the bus,isnt it.. we must learn fr Jakarta, n now they want MRT a.s.a.p..poor Jakarta folks BRT transjakarta not helping much,its actually worsen the traffic,3 lanes road become 2 lanes..

Or we choose an option : elevated/underground BRT.

well,i would rather hv tram rail instead,like european cities which is green technology, more passengers can be load, y our federal government not thinking of this previously,but anyway Malacca will hv it soon..

before this,i never realised that Penang used to hv tram in 19th century
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bxk6SRBpwiY/SdAwvSnCjTI/AAAAAAAAAbU/PcxWtomSqNg/S269/PTTR-5.jpg

oh my goodness,u dont see the reality in malaysia..in malaysia,all that 10 cows producing milk , so as per ur claimed another states beside KL n Selangor not contribute much to national GDP so they dont deserved a better quality infrastructure.. thats rm40billion man,we must share altogether fair.. ok,maybe rm10-rm15billion is fine for me if it is for KL MRT, but rm40billion(with escalating cost soon) is too much for just one project only..

poor sabahn n sarawakians or east coast peninsular which totally dont get any benefit at all for this allocations of budget eventhough their states is among the highest producer of minerals,gas,petrol,timber etc n contribute alot to federal government.. at least federal government build a tram rail thats really kind enough..


business ppl have "capitalist" mindset, not "socialist" mindset.....

Capitalist says its big money making BIG money and let money take you to the right place. All I can think now is BIG money takes me to Klang Valley, and all Klang Valley, even my employer pays sooo much lower for those in other states, lowest being in Kuching (No offence).

So, when road can't provide better rapid transit because of overcapacity, rail will be another option. Shinkansen in Japan is built because of Tokyo-Nagoya-Osaka travelling demand skyrocketing and Haneda Airport is congested, and the railroad between Tokyo and Osaka in 1960s can't increase more train services, build more expressway connecting this two cities costs very high, then they chose Shinkansen as alternative. We can't build more highways in KL anymore, people will blame govt for toll, toll, toll... two more expressway planned in KL, one of them is underconstruction, spanning above Sg. Kerayong, because no land available, they expressway build on the river instead.You forget one important thing - the Japanese government invested in the Shinkansen because the existing demand was skyrocketing - which meant that there was a huge demand for the infrastructure and the service - and no way to improve the efficiency of the existing system without investment and expansion.

Demand for public transport has moved from 16% to 20% of morning peak trips in the Klang Valley (though that is probably a generous assumption) because of investment in improving existing service - namely the RapidBET and the introduction of 4-carriage trains on the Kelana Jaya line.

If the companies could become better organized and find better ways of managing their assets, then they would have additional capacity and that would stimulate growth in demand for public transport.

once that demand is growing, then it is right to invest in MRT or mass-transit.

Otherwise you are investing RM40 billion on hope, "if we build it, they will come" (and also "If they don't come it's ok, public transport is supposed to lose money")

To give you a recent example of how Prasarana is managing its assets:

The Auditor General has flagged the Dedicated Transport Service to Cyberjaya (operated by RapidKL using Prasarana buses) in the 2009 report.

The Auditor General is critical of Cyberview Sdn. Bhd. for paying for the DTS which has not grown beyond 10% demand since it started operating.

During the day, the majority of those DTS buses sit at Cyberjaya Transport Terminal - while RapidKL bus routes in the Klang Valley face a "bus shortage" and local routes operate at a supposed 45 minutes frequency while trunk routes operate at 20-30 minutes.

We are not close to the level of efficiency that the Japanese have - so I am very confident in believing that we could increase public transport capacity (and demand) by 15% just by better management of bus routes.

Cheers, m

BRT?..the bus,isnt it.. we must learn fr Jakarta, n now they want MRT a.s.a.p..poor Jakarta folks BRT transjakarta not helping much,its actually worsen the traffic,3 lanes road become 2 lanes..what is really interesting is that:

*Jakarta's MRT proposal is on the same corridor (1 and 2) as the busiest corridors of the BRT system

*Jakarta is planning ahead based on projections of growing demand for public transport - meaning that if the BRT were not in place, who knows if there would be any plans for MRT.

*Also, the proposed monorail which was based on placing a monorail to connect a few unconnected places, without any real public transport foundation, was not capable of getting off the ground - and it is important to note that the MRT proposal is not a revival of the monorail, but rather, an investment in corridor 1 and corridor 2.

So yeah, we do need to learn from Jakarta - they have improved their public transport and encouraged growth in demand by making use of existing infrastructure.

In the Klang Valley demand has been dropping since RapidKL was introduced, and has only improved recently because of the purchase of long-awaited trains for the Kelana Jaya line which are allowing more efficient use of the existing infrastructure.

But after we maximize the train capacity on the existing lines, we have to find another way to use our existing infrastructure more efficiently - and that is what is going to have to happen during the long wait for MRT / LRT planning, design, engineering and construction.

Cheers, m

No doubt that BRT is best solution for the limited infrastructure we have now. But the new MRT lines must be build and planned, and should be ready in 10 years after now, population boom in KV is tremendous, almost double every 10 years, and migration from other parts of Malaysia, Nepal, Indonesia and Bangladesh into KV is significant.

withthe extension and reduction of ETS ticket price and ERL extension, as well as the political sentimal of let STOP building everything in KV mindset

i doubt the population will grow as fast as it was

it may make economic sense to invest heavily in KV,but it would be a political suicide to do so..we may see increase in private investment in greater KL (4 times the size of sg pulak:lol:)..but lower public investment,that may be use to pump up other region

Absolutely true. KV growth is tremendous...we will soon surpass the 10 million mark in a few years thanks to migration ..the same problem as any Asian cities. No need to build bus network first..just build the MRT and things will fall into place or we will learn it the hard way.

Even China dun bother developing villages to be eventually develped into towns and cities but now building entire whole new cities from scratch.They were pretty fast track in everything while the silly US and the West keeps clucking that China is wrong and now China has the fastest railway in the world!!

40b is not really big, the heaviest taxpayers are most from KV.

The other states should do more on land development and rehabilitation instead of heavy infrastructure development, except Southern Johor, Malacca and Penang.

Kedah and Perlis should develop more its hinterland for argiculture, and argicultural based manufacturing industry.

I think Penang is the state the federal government mistreated most in sense of current fund allocation, since Penangite pays alot of tax also, but Penang did not get it's fund for vital infra development. Penang is desperately need a Metro system, and such Metro should replace the ferry also that connects to Penang Sentral through a bridge or underwater tunnel, but I prefer more underwater tunnel. Penang need a new CBD but currently Penang do not have any direction yet. Bayan Baru or Tanjung Bungah? Or Batu Gantung which the place PGCC proposed? Penang Outer Ring Road now halted? If Bayan Baru would become new CBD of Penang Island, the airport need to be relocated into the other side of the island, which will be very costly. Because a CBD need tall skyscrapers, but the distance can't too near with heart of the George Town which is heritage site. The heart of George Town can't develop anymore since the roads can't be replanned and rebuild, heritage structures can't demolished for new and taller buildings, so the CBD must move out from George Town, but now? Where is it? The CBD should become the place where most of the metro line intersects.

Kinta Valley should use more its heritage and geographic location to develop heritage tourism and resort city. It's geographic locale is suitable for eco-tourism, and mild cement industry in it's northern part. Ipoh desperately need better bus system instead of money wasting LRT. Ipohite bus is a shame of Perak, no service after late 6pm, not comfortable, loud engines, no air cond, not frequent, and not tourist friendly - do not have interactive map / route info for all Ipoh bus lines. Perak have many lands available for argiculture, which Taiping, Sri Manjung-Sitiawan-Lumut and Teluk Intan should developed into major industry hub in Perak, with a railway and highway build to connect them.

Selangor should now preserve argicultural and forest lands as an urban area without green space, it's livability is low. Metro systems should be build in western klang valley (Klang-Shah Alam) which population now approximately 1.4 million.

Hills in Negeri Sembilan is best for eco-tourism and argiculture because of it's nearby with Seremban and KV, Titi is very sucessful. It's heritage: Minangkabau culture can also brings tourism. Beaches along Port Dickson to Malacca can be well developed without much infrastructure development: widening the road from Port Dickson to Melaka, Seremban to Kuala Klawang, Seremban to Kuala Pilah. The latter two currently is ongoing.

Malacca should have heavy infrastructure development surrounding city center and Ayer Keroh corridor. And MRT should be developed in the area. Malacca should designate it's new CBD that not too adjacent to heritage site, which will allow skyscrapers. Malacca currently can't find where is the urban center (possibly Melaka Raya?). If it is Melaka Raya, it is too adjacent with the heritage site (Christ Church, Jonker Street, etc.)

More funds spill into IDR returns nothing unless we have economic reform (maybe revoke 30% equity for bumi) and stable policies, less cronies, to give foreign investor more confident on Malaysian government and invest there.

The other states more or less the same, more land development to increase production output, this do make infra development economically viable, especially these states with very little population density like Pahang, Sarawak and Sabah. This can do through government initiated programme encourages people move into hinterland and develop them into argicultural lands--- we do not need more oil palm and rubber estates, but small orchards, small farms that able to develop into homestay, eco-tourism. Something like pioneer. Infra development like planning new town build wider roads, expressway and rail when they meets demand. This do not need much public funds but more government encouragement through incentives or limited land tax exemption (3 years or more) and private investment. Kuching and KK need plan for their MRT and should be ready to construct in somewhere 2016-2020, with current population growth trend. Pahang can develop highland argiculture and universities because of it's adjecent with KV. Selangor's land are too precious for large campus with thousands hectares.

Now a development is on going along the Jelutong Expressway. This may be the new CBD of Penang. And I think Melaka will have its CBD far from the heritage site, maybe on the sea?

40b is not really big, the heaviest taxpayers are most from KV.

The other states should do more on land development and rehabilitation instead of heavy infrastructure development, except Southern Johor, Malacca and Penang.

Kedah and Perlis should develop more its hinterland for argiculture, and argicultural based manufacturing industry.

I think Penang is the state the federal government mistreated most in sense of current fund allocation, since Penangite pays alot of tax also, but Penang did not get it's fund for vital infra development. Penang is desperately need a Metro system, and such Metro should replace the ferry also that connects to Penang Sentral through a bridge or underwater tunnel, but I prefer more underwater tunnel. Penang need a new CBD but currently Penang do not have any direction yet. Bayan Baru or Tanjung Bungah? Or Batu Gantung which the place PGCC proposed? Penang Outer Ring Road now halted? If Bayan Baru would become new CBD of Penang Island, the airport need to be relocated into the other side of the island, which will be very costly. Because a CBD need tall skyscrapers, but the distance can't too near with heart of the George Town which is heritage site. The heart of George Town can't develop anymore since the roads can't be replanned and rebuild, heritage structures can't demolished for new and taller buildings, so the CBD must move out from George Town, but now? Where is it? The CBD should become the place where most of the metro line intersects.

Kinta Valley should use more its heritage and geographic location to develop heritage tourism and resort city. It's geographic locale is suitable for eco-tourism, and mild cement industry in it's northern part. Ipoh desperately need better bus system instead of money wasting LRT. Ipohite bus is a shame of Perak, no service after late 6pm, not comfortable, loud engines, no air cond, not frequent, and not tourist friendly - do not have interactive map / route info for all Ipoh bus lines. Perak have many lands available for argiculture, which Taiping, Sri Manjung-Sitiawan-Lumut and Teluk Intan should developed into major industry hub in Perak, with a railway and highway build to connect them.

Selangor should now preserve argicultural and forest lands as an urban area without green space, it's livability is low. Metro systems should be build in western klang valley (Klang-Shah Alam) which population now approximately 1.4 million.

Hills in Negeri Sembilan is best for eco-tourism and argiculture because of it's nearby with Seremban and KV, Titi is very sucessful. It's heritage: Minangkabau culture can also brings tourism. Beaches along Port Dickson to Malacca can be well developed without much infrastructure development: widening the road from Port Dickson to Melaka, Seremban to Kuala Klawang, Seremban to Kuala Pilah. The latter two currently is ongoing.

Malacca should have heavy infrastructure development surrounding city center and Ayer Keroh corridor. And MRT should be developed in the area. Malacca should designate it's new CBD that not too adjacent to heritage site, which will allow skyscrapers. Malacca currently can't find where is the urban center (possibly Melaka Raya?). If it is Melaka Raya, it is too adjacent with the heritage site (Christ Church, Jonker Street, etc.)

More funds spill into IDR returns nothing unless we have economic reform (maybe revoke 30% equity for bumi) and stable policies, less cronies, to give foreign investor more confident on Malaysian government and invest there.

The other states more or less the same, more land development to increase production output, this do make infra development economically viable, especially these states with very little population density like Pahang, Sarawak and Sabah. This can do through government initiated programme encourages people move into hinterland and develop them into argicultural lands--- we do not need more oil palm and rubber estates, but small orchards, small farms that able to develop into homestay, eco-tourism. Something like pioneer. Infra development like planning new town build wider roads, expressway and rail when they meets demand. This do not need much public funds but more government encouragement through incentives or limited land tax exemption (3 years or more) and private investment. Kuching and KK need plan for their MRT and should be ready to construct in somewhere 2016-2020, with current population growth trend. Pahang can develop highland argiculture and universities because of it's adjecent with KV. Selangor's land are too precious for large campus with thousands hectares.

first and formost, i only find 1 references that KV produce 7times the GDP of other region, some facts suggest that KV produce 35% of national GDP which is bout the same as it % of national citizen,.other suggest that kuching produce GDP per capita 2nd only to KL(per capita in KV is lower), and that penangnite pay a total(not per capita) of more tax than the whole of selangor)..

and i don't think that melaka deserve an MRT,why spend so much,for something that we can't utilized fully, nor even monorail or tram or BRT is needed,just a revamp of busses is enough,a bonus will be a KTM line,which had the capacity to move mass cargo n people at cheaper prices..a nice route will be a branch line from tampin mlk-muar-bp an so on with another one from tampin mlk to pd-klang-BG..there is not a problem for CBD near the historical enclave as long as it outside of it..further more a CBD n skyscraper allowed for parking,hotel, services n facilities for those visiting the old town, if u look at kota laksmana where teres houses are build near heritage site,both area are dead..which is a loss capability..further more melaka need to intergrae it economy more with KV,sijora,east coast n sumatra...

plz give references n facts to how 30% revoke will bring in FDI into iskandar,iskandar had the capability to achieve it objective,but for it to happen,they need to increase the easiness of travel to singapore first

other state hum, agriculture is good,tiny state like belanda which is bout the size of pahang can done it,so just tiru lah ape susah...but not orchird lah,i got an orchird but if you compared the price of fruits with palmoil or getah,..it is a no brainer..3 ekar will yield 1k per month...what we need is not another big city company to open up estate n give tiny salary to the local,what we need is a release of land to deserving citizen like FELDA..3 large town in johor like muar,BP n kluang r build to serve the need of these palmoil grower...they are other crops like banana or chilies that give better yield,but its a little bit complicated n risky...n i dont believe in givin fisherman more subsidies..then need to learn to rear fish not catch them..this can at least provide something over 3k per month for them

kuching n kk also no need MRT,what they need is double track in metro area a single track trans borneo railway,preferably standard gauge(electrification isn't a priorities,which can be use like our comutter but also intertown travel n reduce the price of cargo movement..

for perak,i think their future lies in more farming and manjung,pangkor area..for penang..man thats complicated,it got rakyat,NGO,BN n PR all making lots of noice with diff idea n so on..haha..it like speed bump..

I think apart from KL the other states that collected hefty taxes collection is Terengganu/Pahang/Sabah/Sarawak since thats where most of the oil money comes from :D

^^
sorry not pahang,its collection is low

which will be an added disappointment if considering it natural advantages..it had eastcoast biggest town,petroleum industries,peninsular biggest state(holand size) and just next to Klang valley n kinta valley.(so it best to kick adnan out)

but kelantan..yes..(if u include the currently excluded petroleum production)

Now a development is on going along the Jelutong Expressway. This may be the new CBD of Penang. And I think Melaka will have its CBD far from the heritage site, maybe on the sea?Melaka could build an entirely new northern CBD along the coast of the Tanquera area, but instead they are chosing to build car-friendly shoplots. The same can be seen in the Binchang area with Jusco Melaka, and the IJM development between the Jusco and the river.

The south "CBD" in Melaka Raya and Mahkota area - was designed with a more "urban", pedestrian-friendly design, higher density and taller buildings.

The problem in the Melaka "south" CBD is the density is not managed well - there are few parks, not enough mixed use residential areas, traffic planning is bad and public transport is a joke.

Another area that is a real frustration for me is the Laksamana area on the north side of the river, west of the old heritage district - closer to the coast. Instead of building terrace houses they should have tried medium-density urban developments and built a small bridge across the river connecting to the Mahkota / Banda Hilir area.

Instead they took the "easy" way out and built the Syed Abdul Aziz bridge - which really messes up traffic and brings large volumes of cars to the south end of Mahkota/Melaka Raya and then forces them to wait for the annoying traffic signal!

On top of that, there is the Pulau Melaka which is an absolute piece of nonsense - if anything it should have been a real park, or perhaps a theme park, not a mess of unoccupied shoplots, inaccessible kitschy mosque, etc.

Cheers, m

Spot on buddy!!!

can't agreed more..

maybe we should encourage them to play simcity

lol.

The oil producing states can't give much infra development is caused by most of these oil producing states do not have other industry to support the infra except oil industry.

Local roads is build to connect the point of producing raw material and point of processing and manufacture goods from the raw material and point who needs demand. Thats why the roads are well built from Chukai to Kuantan but not Jerteh to Kuantan. Because Kerteh is major oil processing area of Terengganu, Chukai is major industrial park of Terengganu, and Kuantan is the major port of East Coast, while good logistics between Kerteh and Kuantan is necessary, the the roads are wide and smooth, railroad is built, oil transporting pipe is built.

While in KV, connection between suburb center and suburb into the core is very important, another highway is now under construction: Shamelin Link links Besraya North End to MRR 2 via Sungai Kerayong. Good logistics within KV is important: transporting workers within the city and smooth logistics of raw material into city and processed good out of the city, as KV making money through industry and services.

To make Terengganu have more infra development on logistics, Terengganu must have more population and producing more manufactured goods instead of oil only. Terengganu is best place to develop eco-tourism in upper Terengganu and splendid beaches in lower Terengganu, forest cleared for argiculture, set several manufacturing centers for the argicultural products. Terengganu nowadays have very good access to education and many civil facilities due to oil production, but may be not after oil is finished. They will become second Perak (which economy failed after market failure of tin).

For me KV do deserve 40b to have MRT construction. For the other state, govenment should focus on develop their economy, and make further logistical infrastructure development economically viable: Currently road from Kuching to Sibu is insanely bad, but not much people would drive because of easy acess to air travel, and no significant industry available between this two cities, then road access is not really necessary. Pan-Borneo Railway may be done once Malaysian Borneo do have more settlements and industry center scattered all over Malaysian Borneo, obviously not now.

I'm frustrated, when the hell are they releasing the blueprint map for MRT. See what I mean, it is another of so-called 'Majulah Malaysia Failure'

BRT?..the bus,isnt it.. we must learn fr Jakarta, n now they want MRT a.s.a.p..poor Jakarta folks BRT transjakarta not helping much,its actually worsen the traffic,3 lanes road become 2 lanes..

Agreed... But what is the use to build so many public transport for???If the petrol price and road tax are still that "low"...

I dont think ppl will bother to use it, since cost for taking public transport almost equal with taking private transport :lol: agree???
Malaysian uses private vehicle is due to they can easily own a car (Thanks to car loan)... If people could not afford a car, surely will opt for public transport and walking... Becos they have no choice...

There are the purpose because once MRT completed, the petrol price will start skyrocketing. Oil in Malaysia will deplete in next 20 years, Malaysia should prepare the situation that petrol price will start skyrocketing and build MRT to prevent high travel costs of its citizens in the near future.

There are the purpose because once MRT completed, the petrol price will start skyrocketing. Oil in Malaysia will deplete in next 20 years, Malaysia should prepare the situation that petrol price will start skyrocketing and build MRT to prevent high travel costs of its citizens in the near future.



In 20 years time??? I tot it would be depleted in 10 - 13 years time...???
Any correct figures on this matter?? Btw oil in Malaysia are not for ordinary cars rite???

The petrol price will skyrocketing after MRT completed??? This is not good since only KV get MRT built, other city and town will left behind using taxed petrol? No good...

While other cities have good bus systems also. Because the other cities did not deserve MRT as well, efficient bus system like BRT would enough. I think Penang, Melaka, and Johor Bahru need them in near future, when bus can't meet their efficiency.

Ipoh is one of the cities in Malaysia with worst public transport system.

^^
i was thinking la.. if petrol are going to deplete in 10-13 years la.. then what is petronas carigali actual job is?? because from what i know.. they are the one who need to find new petrol site.. and some more i thought that petroleum from malaysian sea only constitute about 40% of petronas production.. the rest is from oversea... and i dun believe that the petroleum will deplete in near future...

Protest protest MRT.... noisy lah it go over my housing estate.... hoho

That is the situation. Rumoured that people have brought Prasarana to court for LRT extension. Whole episode both sides are not transparent.

it is true, very noisy, can't even sleep before 11pm, but i have to wake up to work in 7am!

but the lrt line must be build for better metro system for Eastern Klang Valley, so, using better technology to reduce the noise pollution. because the property value of the properties beside lrt may drop.

Source : http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/11/10/central/7393201&sec=central


During the meeting, he said they also discussed job opportunities Prasarana could offer to the locals that could help deter social problems during construction.

The first of the 13 stations in the extension project begins at Lembah Subang before moving on to Ara Damansara. Both areas will see a station with a park-and-ride facility each.

At present, Lau said Prasarana had obtained approvals for its railway scheme after its public display in June and for its environmental impact assessment, works within JPS reserve and relocation works for utilities such as Telekom Malaysia Berhad, Tenaga Nasional Bhd, Indah Water Konsortium and Syabas.

However, he said the briefing was preliminary and Prasarana still had to submit other detailed plans and approvals to the council before the project commences in January.

If no problem, it seems it may start by January.

^^ Well that's still OK, initial reports stated it was supposed to have started by early to mid-2010, then Nov 2010, then now Jan 2011....

it is true, very noisy, can't even sleep before 11pm, but i have to wake up to work in 7am!

but the lrt line must be build for better metro system for Eastern Klang Valley, so, using better technology to reduce the noise pollution. because the property value of the properties beside lrt may drop.

They want to build it, but they complain it too much until they postpone or cancel the project as a result.

not seeing how property value will drop one LRT or MRT come chugging in..most likely it will appreciate in value..

so those people who hate train,should just wait for it to be build,then sold it for a profit then go live elsewere in a deeper suburb n bigger house

having said that,yup KJ line train are so noisy,..mcm bunyi org tgh main drift..bleh dgr dr 1/2km away,worse the sound is really annoying.. the ampang even komutter are ok lah

Wouldn't build it underground solve the problem, but still complain. After the Nicoll Highway incident can't bear it what happen here. Why can't they keep quiet or shut their mouth up and stop protesting. Or lagi best install soundproof windows lagi best diam for them

:lol:True !!It could be worst like having a six lane elevated highway !!!Remember the maju highway by sri petaling or some parts of the Duke highway:bash:

actually ampang line is worse than kj line. Ampang line is very noisy because of it's system, when the train passes the track, it sounds like heavy rail passing through the area, luckily it is not diesel locos. KJ line using rubber tyred with noise pollution greatly reduced.

Or, we can build the whole line underground: for easily viaduct planning on ground and no noise pollution at all, but the cost is very high. If you say Nicoll Highway tragedy, the only thing I can say is, accidents may happen, but underground is the best option that preserves desirable urban landscape and reduce noise pollution to nearly not existence. Tramway is definetely not an option unless it act as peripheral system connects to trunk system (KJL and APL). If going underground you still protest, the only solution is ask the state legislature to vote for it. I think our state government of Selangor would support it even it is opposition's (because ruling party of Selangor is PR) project. (And of course it use federal funds not state funds, state government will appreciate much, and concentrate themselves on planning metro system in Shah Alam-Klang area [West Klang Valley])

Its not so much the trains!!!Just that they need to better maintain the tracks !!!!

stupid to go underground because of sound only..waste 5x more money for simple thing..waste money so we can just look cool n world class rather than an actual necessities

how bout try rubber wheel,rather than steal to steal grinding...quiet what

stupid to go underground because of sound only..waste 5x more money for simple thing..waste money so we can just look cool n world class rather than an actual necessities

how bout try rubber wheel,rather than steal to steal grinding...quiet what

^^ ask ourselves, do u think KL is a global city, or even a world-class city? Or at least a leading city in Asia?

Actually at-grade or elevated is much more economic feasable in these area involved in LRT extension, which located in suburb. I think new lines within core region of KL should go underground (Circle line, tracks crossed circle line into city center).

^^ ask ourselves, do u think KL is a global city, or even a world-class city? Or at least a leading city in Asia?

i think u r impling that as KL is a global city and most global city has a subway so indeed KL to need a subway kan?

but those city goes under because they HAS to,not because the WANT to so they can look cool and civilize

lets take,
NYC and montreal,they goes under,because of snow fall that reduce the dependencies of it train
sG,AS THEY NEED TO SAVE LAND
london,its old and road are narrow,the simplest thing from A-B is underground straight line

amsterdam,bad geologies,but need to preserve their historic facade..
SF: chepaer to build tunnel than bridge


worst: LA,they goes underground coz..well,.they got no reason whatsoever,that why their subway is expensive and short..and are not popular..

that what we will get,if we goes under as well,do we need a"world" class subway that are either expensive or hevily subsidies and as it more expensive the network is shorter thus not applicable to as many folks as an elavated or at grade system?

worse,KL unstable geologies make tunneling expensive n dangerous,and our law prevent it from private land,most likely it will follow river or highway alligment..if it elavated,it would also follow road and river as well,but it cheaper n faster to build

so what does tunneling a subway benifit us?..what are the advantages, well except to cover our insecurities by looking cool n world class

i think u r impling that as KL is a global city and most global city has a subway so indeed KL to need a subway kan?

but those city goes under because they HAS to,not because the WANT to so they can look cool and civilize

lets take,
NYC and montreal,they goes under,because of snow fall that reduce the dependencies of it train
sG,AS THEY NEED TO SAVE LAND
london,its old and road are narrow,the simplest thing from A-B is underground straight line

amsterdam,bad geologies,but need to preserve their historic facade..
SF: chepaer to build tunnel than bridge


worst: LA,they goes underground coz..well,.they got no reason whatsoever,that why their subway is expensive and short..and are not popular..

that what we will get,if we goes under as well,do we need a"world" class subway that are either expensive or hevily subsidies and as it more expensive the network is shorter thus not applicable to as many folks as an elavated or at grade system?

worse,KL unstable geologies make tunneling expensive n dangerous,and our law prevent it from private land,most likely it will follow river or highway alligment..if it elavated,it would also follow road and river as well,but it cheaper n faster to build

so what does tunneling a subway benifit us?..what are the advantages, well except to cover our insecurities by looking cool n world class


One thing... if it was to be built elevated but the location of the station will not be too strategic, and another is to be built underground but the location is strategic... which 1 is feasible??? Lets say situation 1, seldom or not many ppl will use the station and another always full of passengers??? :lol:

We cant say KL is global city thus need a subway and build elevated bcos it was cheap and more ppl will benefit from it... No, bcos all of this depends on the situation... just like aliciel stated...

The main point we build metro system is to optimize the usage... We do not want another station end up like Abdullah Hukum and etc...

One thing... if it was to be built elevated but the location of the station will not be too strategic, and another is to be built underground but the location is strategic... which 1 is feasible??? Lets say situation 1, seldom or not many ppl will use the station and another always full of passengers??? :lol:

We cant say KL is global city thus need a subway and build elevated bcos it was cheap and more ppl will benefit from it... No, bcos all of this depends on the situation... just like aliciel stated...

The main point we build metro system is to optimize the usage... We do not want another station end up like Abdullah Hukum and etc...

unfortunately,if build underground can also wind up like dang wangi,:ohno:

we still have to follow river or road,unless we can change our law to allowed we to korek under private properties,skrapers n someone home,it would not make tunneling any more beneficial than elavated,just ultra extra expensive je

the question is
1)can we change the law?? remember we have lot NIMBYsian:lol:

if we can change it then:
2)should we build longer elavated,at grade track n BRT to reach n serve more people,or just give the "20km radius" a 1st world facilities while other do not?..


the main thing is that, out of the 42bil,32bil are for tunneling cost alone..that crazy right?..e only need 2bil each in png n jb,and those folk can be happy..we could do 300km of EDT with just 10bil,(east coast folk can be happy),30mil aech in ipoh,KK,KCH,MLK for rapidpng type bus service,those folk are happy and still after all this sedekah,KV can still have longer but elevated track than korek korek will..(and yes,people out o "20km radius" will be happy too)

I think we must change law 1st to allow tunneling under private properties.

I am not against the LRT extension go elevated, but we need to consider another issues.

Under current law, whether the train go underground or elevated it is just the same, because we can't tunnel under private properties, and this cause unstrategic logistics hub both in freighting and commuting.

For example the Port Klang-Batu Caves line, many stations are poorly located, at the outskirts of commercial center and residential center because poor planning of Malaysian railway department, lands department and local authority. These stations include: Angkasapuri (far away from Bukit Angkasa), Petaling (a station for nobody), Jalan Templer (far away from PJ Old Town Center), Kg. Dato Harun (I don't know what is the station build for), Shah Alam (It is not city center but Shah Alam frontier, but got potential to develop as central intermodal station for Shah Alam).

Then the LRT extension must learn from previous mistakes. I'm satisfied with current LRT extension alignment which stations are located on the residential center. In current case, elevated track is suitable in Kelana Jaya-Puchong Heights-Sri Petaling track because there are area with low and middle density population. The Pudu-Bandaraya stretch of elevated rail is actually inapropriate because:

1) The elevated track is too near the skyscrapers and stand between them. If accident occured: The train derailed an crash into skyscrapers it causes unbearable casualties. The elevated track built in current LRT extension is allowable because even if accidents happen, the casualties are acceptable because limited properties and lives will involved. This is also the reason I'm going to propose that the Monorail should replaced by subway. The monorail had caused a terrible accident luckily only one people die from it.

2) Elevated track built in high density areas causes undesirability in the area. Firstly is fear of train derailment of the skyscraper tenants, especially those tenant that rented/owned the level which height parallel with the elevated track. Elevated track needs pier to support the box grider of the viaduct, then the piers are built either beside the road, form a arch and place the box grider above the arch, or the box grider is directly place above the pier. The former causes limited space and unwanted obstacle on pedestrian lane, the later makes the pier built on the median, forms dual carriageway. Once dual carriageway is formed, it is better suited for two way than one way. One way dual carriageway always causes confusion for road users and something weird may happen: One part of Jalan Sultan Ismail left carriageway is always less congested compared to right carriageway. Those who wish to go KLCC once get mistake and drove into left carriageway will never able to change their lane into the lane at right carriageway. This is caused by an obstacle at the median of the road, which cannot be removed because of the piers supporting the monorail viaduct.

That's why I'm support the elevated track in current LRT extension stretch. But if the metro line going to enter city center, it should go underground for easy planning of landscape above ground.

Underground tracks works well in high density area, elevated and at-grade tracks works well in middle and low density area: that's why Hong Kong MTR have underground tracks under vicinity of Kowloon Peninsula (Around Yau Tsim Mong district) and Hong Kong Island, but at-grade and elevated tracks in New Territories which comprises suburban and villages in Hong Kong. Tokyo Metro is built underground in Tokyo core region (especially: Shinjuku, Shibuya, Chiyoda, Chuo), elevated and at-grade portions are sections that shared track with JREast and those in suburban. There are also at-grade and elevated tracks in downtown Tokyo but most of them are suburban rail at the time when they built like Yamanote Line which completed in 1933, at the time, Shinjuku and Shibuya is just new develop area. Chuo Line that passes Hibiya which is rural when it is built. Besides, JREast is heavy rail and it should be categorized same as KTMB, while RapidKL LRT should categorized same as Tokyo Metro and Toei Subways in Tokyo, Japan; SBST and SMRT in Singapore.

^^ you should consider chicago L, or closer to home, masjid jamek lrt station

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/CTA_Night.jpg/800px-CTA_Night.jpg

Shinkansen runs at grade/above ground, i wonder how the japs control sounds in middle of the city when the trains running 300+ km/h?

It is dangerous when the train to run 300+ in the city. I think they will only allow the train to move slow when the train is in the city and accelerate when leaving the city.

^^ Firstly, you need to notice Chicago L viaduct design. Chicago viaduct is place over arches have their piers in their side, and there are enough space for them to build pedestrian lanes wide enough without letting the pedestrian lane become much more narrower because of the piers as obstacle. This also allows the road below it can turn into one-way or two-way as they wish by removing or adding the median at the middle, but I see in elevated track over Jalan Tun Perak stretch now does not allow the change of the road direction because the median can't be removed, if the elevated rail viaduct is over arches like Chicago L, there are not enough space for pedestrian walk.

Secondly, the station you shown is Adams/Wabash station opened in 1898, while the skyscapers beside it are built after 1898. This station is built elevated according to the needs of the time during its completion.

So, compared with Tokyo, JR lines are built at-grade and elevated because they built according to the needs at their completion. Tokyo have trolleybuses, trams, streetcars which is at-grade in 1911 to 1968, when they found that they can't operate those at-grade already, they turned it into underground, replaced by Toei Subway since 1960. 1st line of Toei Subway: Asakusa Line is built totally underground except Gotanda to Nakonbu part which Toei shared track with Tokyu and JR. Mita line built the line underground in the downtown, have at-grade/elevated track shared with Tokyu and Tokyo Metro, own elevated track are built in Itabashi Ward, which is somewhere out of city center and adjecent with Saitama Prefecture. Those Japanese built Toei mostly underground because underground line are suitable according to the situation in 1960s.

That's why, elevated and at-grade track is suitable outside KL city center, and not suitable inside city center. (MRR1 act as boundary between city center and outer city).

If there are at-grade track/elevated track do existed in KL city center that built long time ago due to situation during the time of the line's completion, like KTMB, just leave it like that, no need to turn it underground. If there are enough railway reserve land for HSR, it should built elevated due to cost concerns. If there are not enough, build it underground is unavoidable, like case in Taipei. Tokyo in 1960s having extensive railway reserve lands and having their HSR built elevated over or parallel to normal railways. Kuala Lumpur... What I see from KL Sentral, it is not capable to develop as large terminal because scarce of land and tracks able to go through it.

if tunneling allow under private properties/land, density requirement has to change too because of foundation constraint. lower density hence fewer floors. developers ll start jumping.

PM wants Greater KL MRT project to start by July: Idris Jala
Updated: Thursday November 18, 2010 MYT 7:30:03 PM
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/11/18/nation/20101118181849&sec=nation

PUTRAJAYA: Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak wants the Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project under the Greater KL initiative to be implemented by July next year, Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Idris Jala said.

He said the technical report on the project, including the route, had been completed and would be tabled to the National Economic Council and the cabinet for scrutiny this month.

"The public will be able to give their feedback after the council decides on the technical report," he told a news conference here Thursday.

Present was Federal Territories and Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk Raja Nong Chik Raja Zainal Abidin.

Idris said another project, the high-speed railway, would enter the first phase of studies for two months from early next year, to be followed by six months of detailed studies.

Meanwhile, Raja Nong Chik said the MRT route would be on federal land to avoid problems related to land acquisition while the distribution of MRT stations would be determined later.

He said among the locations to be served by the MRT lines was Kampung Baru, which would be among the focus areas of the Greater KL initiative.

The MRT system would be integrated with existing transport systems, he said, adding that Greater KL would also cover the rehabilitation of polluted rivers in the Klang Valley and greening of the national capital with the planting of 30,000 trees next year. - Bernama

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2010/9/25/business/b_22greaterKL.jpg

They surely have big "plans " for Kampung Baru even the present station is so under utilised

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/CTA_Night.jpg/800px-CTA_Night.jpg


This is simply astonishing... beautiful... thanks for sharing... :)

hmm..., why there is soo much fuss whether it shld be underground or elevated?? can't we just have both depends on the suitability of the area??Just make sure that the train is suitable and big enough to cater for the demand. Personally i really enjoy the route from Masjid jamek to pasar seni. Its kinda of refreshing... :banana:

Klang Valley MRT on the right track
By KHARLEEZ ZUBIN Saturday November 20, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/11/20/central/7458928&sec=central

the first Metro Rail Transit (MRT) wagon will start running in the Klang Valley in 2016.

The Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley (GKLKV) steering committee established this recently at its second meeting.

Federal Territories & Urban Wellbeing Minister Datuk Raja Nong Chik said the technical report of the proposed MRT corridors had been established.

“Recommendations will be submitted to the Economic Council and the Cabinet for consideration later this month,” he told a press conference to announce updates on KLKV.

He said once the green light had been given the committee would study to plot locations of the routes and stations along the corridors.

“The public will have a chance to comment on these routes and stations under the public consultation process,” he said.

Besides, MRT, preliminary studies have started on the High Speed Rail, which together is expected to cost about RM60.4bil.

Raja Nong Chik said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak had informed the Cabinet that he wanted the High Speed Rail project to start next year.

“A preliminary study will be conducted in January to assess the viability of the High-Speed Rail. This will take about two months and we expect to complete it in the first quarter of 2011,” he said.

A detailed feasibility study will be undertaken on the stations and routes in the later part of 2011.

“This study is expected to take about six months and will provide information on the value propositions along the route,” he noted.

Asked if he foresaw the problem dealing with land acquisition for the MRT project as it has been speculated that 60% of the routes would be in Selangor, Raja Nong Chik said the federal government would try to minimise land acquisition.

“Nothing has been finalised. The consultants are still studying,” he said.

The Selangor government has indicated that it would support the MRT and High-Speed Rail projects, as it would spur economic activity in the state, too.

Selangor Mentri Besar Tan Sri Abdul Khalid Ibrahim was reported saying early this month that the state needed to cooperate with the Federal Government on the Greater KL Plan because it would spur development in Selangor.

The Greater KL Plan, an initiative under the 10th Malaysia Plan, will see the redevelopment of strategic federal assets, including the Sungei Besi military airport, Pudu Jail, Kuala Lumpur Financial District, the planned township development on the Rubber Research Institute (RRI) land in Sg Buloh, the MRT and High-Speed Rail.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department and chief executive officer of the Performance Management and Delivery Unit (Pemandu) Senator Datuk Idris Jala, was also present at the press conference.

He said under the KL Initiative set up under the Grater KL Plan to attract leading companies to Klang Valley within priority sectors were on course.

“We managed to get Vale, the second largest metals and mining company in the world and one of the 30 largest publicily traded companies in the world to relocate their global shared service centre to Petaling Jaya,” he said. The other firm KL Initiate has managed to woo is oil and gas technology supplier Schlumberger, which recently announced in Kuala Lumpur the inauguration of a new financial hub in Kuala Lumpur offering financial services to support its daily operations.

“This is part of the Greater Kuala Lumpur Entry Point Project to attract the 100 new MNCs (multi-national corporations) to relocate its operations to Kuala Lumpur by 2020 and Schlumberger has entered our records as the first of the 100 MNCs that we want to attract,” said Idris.

its time to buy properties near to new MRT route/stations. :banana:

location..location..location.

its time to buy properties near to new MRT route/stations. :banana:

location..location..location.the "queue" among the really super well-connected people probably started years ago...

followed by the really well-connected, well-connected, connected, and those who follow the industry really carefully.

Where do you think the majority of potential buyers amongst the public are on that list? :lol:

Cheers, m

the "queue" among the really super well-connected people probably started years ago...

followed by the really well-connected, well-connected, connected, and those who follow the industry really carefully.

Where do you think the majority of potential buyers amongst the public are on that list? :lol:

Cheers, m

Sad but true... hopefully we (small fry investors) can get a piece of the "wealth" as well... :)

i don't get "the danger" or elevated rail..??/
u could count on car jumping out of DUKE,AKLEH n all those flyover then train derailment..

like james said,developer will scream..and as well as the public..haha..considering kl geologies n "malaysian building standard" i don't feel like livin or shoping or even working on top of a tunnel in a bad geologies area

Other than danger, the better planning of the roads at-grade, aestheticism, noise pollution should all take into the account. That's why MRT should go underground in downtown, unless the MRT is built when the downtown is not well developed at the time. The downtown area of KL now have high-rise structures built in very high density, this also make the underground rail in the sector economically viable. That's why underground in downtown, overground at midtown (between downtown and suburb like Cheras, Bangsar), suburb (like Puchong, Kepong, and Selayang), and rural.

London Overground and Docklands Light Railway serves midtown and outer London, JREast lines are built on area it passed is not downtown during the time of its construction, Ginza line operated since 1927 have most of its line built underground of Tokyo downtown. I think government had do all the measures, so that is the reason why the new MRT and LRT extension planned to be elevated at the midtown and suburb KL, and built underground in the downtown area of KL.

And laying foundation on the elevated rail viaduct's piers may effect the foundations of the buildings nearby also. As for aestheticism, like in Beijing, Line 1 of Beijing subway is underground, but actually the road is wide enough to make the line elevated. If the Line 1 build elevated, it will block the view of Tian'anmen and Mao Zedong's picture when view from the Monument of People's Heroes from Tian'anmen Square, it destroys the aestheticism of the area and destroys the national image. If there is a station needed in front of Dataran Merdeka, build an elevated rail to block the view of Sultan Abdul Samad Building from Selangor Club, I think there will be terrible protests by people, even the government also don't want it, it destroys the national pride!

There are another concern: land scarcity in downtown Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia do have a lot of land, but downtown Kuala Lumpur is not. Like in New York, United States got a lot of land, but Downtown Manhattan is not.

i don't get "the danger" or elevated rail..??/
u could count on car jumping out of DUKE,AKLEH n all those flyover then train derailment..

like james said,developer will scream..and as well as the public..haha..considering kl geologies n "malaysian building standard" i don't feel like livin or shoping or even working on top of a tunnel in a bad geologies areafrankly, the "danger" argument is a very small one - how many of us have seen urban trains derail anywhere?

Urban trains are designed to stay together - not like freight trains which have light car bodies and heavy trucks - so if a train derailed seriously, it would stay on the guideway and there would be little chance of injuring anyone down below.

The only example of a train coming off a guideway was when the Ampang LRT train went through the end of the guideway at Sentul Timur, and that was because the end of the guideway was never carefully "walled off"

Cheers, m

Other than danger, the better planning of the roads at-grade, aestheticism, noise pollution should all take into the account. That's why MRT should go underground in downtown, unless the MRT is built when the downtown is not well developed at the time. The downtown area of KL now have high-rise structures built in very high density, this also make the underground rail in the sector economically viable. That's why underground in downtown, overground at midtown (between downtown and suburb like Cheras, Bangsar), suburb (like Puchong, Kepong, and Selayang), and rural.

London Overground and Docklands Light Railway serves midtown and outer London, JREast lines are built on area it passed is not downtown during the time of its construction, Ginza line operated since 1927 have most of its line built underground of Tokyo downtown. I think government had do all the measures, so that is the reason why the new MRT and LRT extension planned to be elevated at the midtown and suburb KL, and built underground in the downtown area of KL.

And laying foundation on the elevated rail viaduct's piers may effect the foundations of the buildings nearby also. As for aestheticism, like in Beijing, Line 1 of Beijing subway is underground, but actually the road is wide enough to make the line elevated. If the Line 1 build elevated, it will block the view of Tian'anmen and Mao Zedong's picture when view from the Monument of People's Heroes from Tian'anmen Square, it destroys the aestheticism of the area and destroys the national image. If there is a station needed in front of Dataran Merdeka, build an elevated rail to block the view of Sultan Abdul Samad Building from Selangor Club, I think there will be terrible protests by people, even the government also don't want it, it destroys the national pride!

There are another concern: land scarcity in downtown Kuala Lumpur. Malaysia do have a lot of land, but downtown Kuala Lumpur is not. Like in New York, United States got a lot of land, but Downtown Manhattan is not.So based on your argument, downtown KL should not have elevated rail for aesthetic reasons.

Funny thing is that both of the options that the KL and Federal Governments were thinking of (Aerorail and LRT) were elevated.

Frankly, I cringe when i think of the elevated Masjid Jamek station - it has turned the historic "centre" of KL into a very smoggy, congested, depressing place.

But at the same time, I have seen elevated stations that are designed to blend into the streetscape and would be hard to notice.

So the visual / aesthetic argument does not fly. Economic arguments are the only ones that matter.

And frankly, the question is, do the costs of deep tunneling (because "cut and cover" is definitely not possible) justify the benefits of having a line underground?

The answer for KL is "not really"

Cheers, m

ps. London built its first underground train lines on the north of the Thames because there was already had a complete network of unused coal delivery tunnels and coal chutes which could be converted in many cases to passenger rail service. On the south side of the Thames, however, the soil conditions prevented low level tunneling which is why the lines did not extend south of the Thames until deep level tunneling became an option - and it also explains why Southbank is poorly served by Underground service and relies on the elevated network rail service.

So before one talks about aesthetic arguments, do make sure that they have also looked at the economic, technological and geographical arguments.

pps. The ground under KL is a mix of pockets of granite and limestone (among others) with many large caves and caverns ... and there is an underground river running under the Klang river. Some parts of the LRT tunnel run on top of that river ... just goes to show you that tunneling under KL is not necessarily going to be easy.

MRT project: Priority must be for local workers
D.S., Sungai Buloh, Selangor 2010/11/25
http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/20mrt/Article/

THE construction of the mass rapid transit (MRT) hub announced by the prime minister during the 2011 Budget is definitely welcomed by the public. What more when the project is expected to generate economic growth in areas that will eventually be served by the MRT.

The recent announcement by Land Transport Commission chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar (NST, Nov 20), that up to 130,000 jobs would be created over the 10-year construction period is welcome news for the thousands of jobless Malaysians.

However, it remains to be seen if these jobs will be given to Malay-sians.

As the project is construction-based and labour intensive, I believe the jobs will eventually go to migrant workers, as is the trend in Malaysia.

Developers and contractors shun Malaysians simply because it is much cheaper to employ foreigners.

But if the government is serious about creating jobs for Malaysians, then it has to put in place the right mechanism to achieve this objective.

Therefore, the commission must ensure that Malaysians are given priority for employment by the contractors.

The 4,000 jobs to be created for the maintenance and operations of the planned stations should also go to Malaysians.

So based on your argument, downtown KL should not have elevated rail for aesthetic reasons.

Funny thing is that both of the options that the KL and Federal Governments were thinking of (Aerorail and LRT) were elevated.

Frankly, I cringe when i think of the elevated Masjid Jamek station - it has turned the historic "centre" of KL into a very smoggy, congested, depressing place.

But at the same time, I have seen elevated stations that are designed to blend into the streetscape and would be hard to notice.

So the visual / aesthetic argument does not fly. Economic arguments are the only ones that matter.

And frankly, the question is, do the costs of deep tunneling (because "cut and cover" is definitely not possible) justify the benefits of having a line underground?

The answer for KL is "not really"

Cheers, m

ps. London built its first underground train lines on the north of the Thames because there was already had a complete network of unused coal delivery tunnels and coal chutes which could be converted in many cases to passenger rail service. On the south side of the Thames, however, the soil conditions prevented low level tunneling which is why the lines did not extend south of the Thames until deep level tunneling became an option - and it also explains why Southbank is poorly served by Underground service and relies on the elevated network rail service.

So before one talks about aesthetic arguments, do make sure that they have also looked at the economic, technological and geographical arguments.

pps. The ground under KL is a mix of pockets of granite and limestone (among others) with many large caves and caverns ... and there is an underground river running under the Klang river. Some parts of the LRT tunnel run on top of that river ... just goes to show you that tunneling under KL is not necessarily going to be easy.

I agree with you, KL MRT should be underground.

^^ erk?..i think you missing the point lah..or are u being scarcastic?

MRT Station
proposal from KazArchitect Sdn Bhd

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nice

Well, the most important topic is the planned route MRT than the station. It is futuristic like the Expo MRT Station but the MRT is main priority first but anyways at least we get to see the artist impression.

On the right track Prasarana to be named operator of RM36b mass rapid transit project

2010/11/29
By Fauziah Ismail
news@nst.com.my

KUALA LUMPUR: Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd is expected to be named as the asset owner and operator of what could be the nation’s single largest land transport infrastructure project — the proposed RM36 billion mass rapid transit (MRT) system for Greater Kuala Lumpur.

MMC-Gamuda JV Sdn Bhd, which submitted the MRT proposal to the National Economic Council last February, will be the project manager, or what analysts here have termed “chariot master”.

Prasarana is a wholly-owned government company established by the Finance Ministry to facilitate, undertake and expedite public infrastructure projects approved by the government. It is also currently the asset owner and operator of the Ampang and Kelana Jaya light rail transit lines, KL Monorail system, bus operations in Klang Valley and Penang, as well as the cable car services in Langkawi.

MMC-Gamuda JV is currently undertaking the RM12.5 billion electrified double-tracking railway project between Ipoh and Padang Besar, Perlis.

It is also understood that Minconsult Sdn Bhd, the consultant appointed by the government to undertake a 12-week study on the proposed project, had made its recommendations to the government. The National Economic Council, chaired by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak, is expected to meet this week to endorse the recommendations.

Sources said Prasarana might form a subsidiary company to handle the MRT system, similar to the role of Rangkaian Pengangkutan Integrasi Deras Sdn Bhd (RapidKL), which is managing the Ampang Line, Kelana Jaya Line, Monorail and bus services in Kuala Lumpur and Penang.

The ground-breaking for the project is said to be targeted for July next year.
Under the 10th Malaysia Plan, an MRT project for the Klang Valley has been proposed to improve the city’s public transport. The MRT project is also in line
with the government’s target of increasing public transport use to 25 per cent by 2012 from 16 per cent now. It has been reported that the MRT system would have up to three main lines.

The first line will run through Sungai Buloh, Kota Damansara, Kuala Lumpur and Cheras (right up to Kajang). The second line will connect Sungai Buloh, Kepong,

Kuala Lumpur and Serdang, while the third line will loop around Kuala Lumpur’s business district, with a link between the monorail and LRT services.

The MRT lines will mostly be underground, with stops every 500m to 1km in high-traffic areas, such as the Golden Triangle in Kuala Lumpur. Conceptually, it would be similar to Hong Kong’s MTR system.

Just wait n see how the final route look alike :banana:

Well, the most important topic is the planned route MRT than the station. It is futuristic like the Expo MRT Station but the MRT is main priority first but anyways at least we get to see the artist impression.
Very strange, haven't seen the MRT route, but some firms are already showing the station designs....

belum habis feasi studies for the routes, dah buat concept design of stations? pelik la...

Di bolehland semua boleh!!Singapore took 8 years before they went ahead with their MRT!!!

bukan masalah besarpun....

MALAYSIA BOLEH !!!

We can start proposed and start construction for the MRT in 1.5 Years. (Based on track record, you'll know surely how much delay NEWS that will appear in newspaper in 2011. Probably will start in 2012.)

Di bolehland semua boleh!!Singapore took 8 years before they went ahead with their MRT!!!

Is it possible that msia, behind the scene has gotten everything - mrt routes, design, ready? And now it's just announcement for construction?

MRT project: Priority must be for local workers
D.S., Sungai Buloh, Selangor 2010/11/25
http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/20mrt/Article/

THE construction of the mass rapid transit (MRT) hub announced by the prime minister during the 2011 Budget is definitely welcomed by the public. What more when the project is expected to generate economic growth in areas that will eventually be served by the MRT.

The recent announcement by Land Transport Commission chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar (NST, Nov 20), that up to 130,000 jobs would be created over the 10-year construction period is welcome news for the thousands of jobless Malaysians.

However, it remains to be seen if these jobs will be given to Malay-sians.

As the project is construction-based and labour intensive, I believe the jobs will eventually go to migrant workers, as is the trend in Malaysia.

Developers and contractors shun Malaysians simply because it is much cheaper to employ foreigners.

But if the government is serious about creating jobs for Malaysians, then it has to put in place the right mechanism to achieve this objective.

Therefore, the commission must ensure that Malaysians are given priority for employment by the contractors.

The 4,000 jobs to be created for the maintenance and operations of the planned stations should also go to Malaysians.Sigh...that's almost as bad as the guy who wrote that the project should "go to all races"

Cheers, m

Very strange, haven't seen the MRT route, but some firms are already showing the station designs....

belum habis feasi studies for the routes, dah buat concept design of stations? pelik la...Could just be an architectural/design study only - doesn't mean that these firms or their designs have been shortlisted.

Cheers, m

Is it possible that msia, behind the scene has gotten everything - mrt routes, design, ready? And now it's just announcement for construction?there is a lot of "behind the scenes" in Malaysia but I do not think that this kind of a project would be done quietly behind the scenes without some information leaking out.

My take is that the government said "go" and everyone is getting their plans and wishlists together and wondering what will happen.

The media generally oversells the ease of these projects and makes it look like decisions have already been made - but the truth is, only a few decisions have been made - all backroom decisions for personal, private interest, not economic, social or national interest.

To give you an idea of planning times, mass transit for KL was discussed throughout the 1980s and the decision was only made after Mahathir was PM for about 4-6 years (depending on who you talk to) - and LRT and Aerobus were the two top choices.

And as I recall, Renong brought the PUTRA LRT proposal to the government, rather than the government proposing it and identifying candidates.

Cheers, m

Di bolehland semua boleh!!Singapore took 8 years before they went ahead with their MRT!!!

Well, at least better than done nothing and besides it was only done in the 80s, Bangkok and KL did in the 90s. As for Jakarta, maybe 2015 will swing into action.

wish they could make the gigantic roof as a solar energy generator.

Anyone know the capacity of each train and how long/many car per train???

Anyone know the capacity of each train and how long/many car per train???too many factors at play now.

The first important question is, will they go for large tunnels or small tunnels.

The tunnel size determines the width of the train, which determines the number of carriages, which determines capacity.

That's why London's underground runs with tiny tunnels and 8-carriage trains while Toronto runs with full-size tunnels and 6-carriage trains that are freakishly wide.

Cheers, m

Well, Singapore has a 4 carriage train set however the tunnel and the train is very wide. Hopefully, Malaysia should have 6 cars on a train set and make it wide.

i really really want to see the timeline or schedule for MRT project, not merely press statements. so that we can follow the progress either they are being on time, or late.

this is what i call integrity. let the public know.

Well, Singapore has a 4 carriage train set however the tunnel and the train is very wide. Hopefully, Malaysia should have 6 cars on a train set and make it wide.

You mean it's not 6 x 4 doors long cars & 3 x 4 doors long cars anymore ?

Besides LRT and 3 lines of MRT, another LRT Line has been proposed to connect PJ Utara and KL City.


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Besides LRT and 3 lines of MRT, another LRT Line has been proposed to connect PJ Utara and KL City.


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This is excellent, that line is really a must build. Hopefully they upgrade it into another line, or don't tell me it is the Kelana Jaya branch line.

Rail project: MMC, Gamuda, Govt to team up
Published: 2010/12/09
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20101209112949/Article/index_html

Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp, two Malaysian construction companies, may team up with the government to help build a passenger rail network in Kuala Lumpur, a Gamuda executive said.

Work on the project may start in July, Gamuda group managing director Lin Yun Ling told reporters in Shah Alam, near the capital. He didn’t elaborate.

The rail project is among the US$444 billion of private sector-led projects identified by the Malaysian government to spur investments and accelerate growth in Southeast Asia’s third-largest economy. Besides the rail network, the plan includes developing a nuclear energy industry and a shopping district to rival Singapore’s Orchard Road.

Shares of Gamuda, a construction and property group based in Petaling Jaya, outside the Malaysian capital, climbed 1.6 per cent to RM3.83 at 11:45 a.m. in Kuala Lumpur trading. MMC, a power and construction company based in Kuala Lumpur, slid as much as 1.1 per cent to RM2.79.

Gamuda and MMC, which proposed the mass-transit system, will likely be the master planners of the project if they offer the best pricing, Second Finance Minister Ahmad Husni Hanadzlah said Nov. 11.

Qatar, Vietnam

Prime Minister Najib Razak said in October the country will start on a mass rail project in the capital in early 2011, expected to attract RM40 billion (US$12.8 billion) in private-sector investment.

Azharuddin Nordin, general manager of the group managing director’s Office at MMC, wasn’t available to comment as he was in a meeting.

Gamuda also plans to bid for a mass rail network and other infrastructure project in Qatar, the host of soccer’s World Cup in 2022, Lin said. The company expects revenue of RM1 billion from its property business in the year ending July 31, 2011, he said.

Property sales may reach RM5 billion over the next two years, with projects in Vietnam contributing as much as RM3 billion, Lin said. -- Bloomberg

Gamuda expects nod soon for RM36bil joint MRT project
By SHARIDAN M. ALI
sharidan@thestar.com.my


SHAH ALAM: The Cabinet has yet to approve the Gamuda Bhd-MMC Corp Bhd joint development proposal for the mass rapid transit (MRT) system, said Gamuda group managing director Datuk Lin Yun Ling.

However, he expects the proposal, which was submitted early this year, to be approved soon.

Possibly, the Gamuda-MMC joint venture will be the project delivery partner of the Government.


Datuk Lin Yun Ling says Gamuda is eyeng an MRT project in Qatar.
Via this, the Government can have the cake and eat it while on one hand, they can transfer the project's delivery performance to the partner and at the same time, they can have the entire project packaged out via competitive tenders, Lin said after Gamuda AGM yesterday.

The savings from competitive tenders will go to the Government and if we are allowed to bid for the underground part, we will be more than happy.

Lin believed that the MRT project, estimated to be worth RM36bil, would start next July.

He said even after Cabinet approval, the project would have to go through several processes before construction work could begin.

The Government will have to decide on the network scheme, allignment of railway lines and location of stations through Public Land Transport Commission and Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd.

The Government will also have to get the feedback from the public and other stakeholders before it starts the project, he said.

On the extension of Ampang and Kelana Jaya LRT lines, Lin said Gamuda may bid for it if the MRT project did not go ahead.

Lin said Gamuda was also eyeing the MRT or metro system project worth US$45bil in Qatar.

Qatar will host 2022 World Cup and one the key infrastructures to be built could be the underground metro system in Doha.

We already have a good track record in the Middle East and I think we are well-positioned to be part of it, he said.

Lin said Gamuda expected sales from its property development to hit RM5bil over the next two years.

He said the group's property arm, Gamuda Land, was embarking on a high-growth phase with a priority to sell down its land bank innovatively.

Of the projected RM5bil sales, RM2bil is expected to come from our local projects and the remainder from our activities in Vietnam.

This year, we are achieving a record-high of RM1bil in property sales and currently, our unbilled sales stand at RM800mil, he said.

On the recent merger proposals by some property players, Lin said it was not really a concern for Gamuda as each group would have their own strategies.

Well, Singapore has a 4 carriage train set however the tunnel and the train is very wide. Hopefully, Malaysia should have 6 cars on a train set and make it wide.

EWL, NSL and NEL trains use 6 car formation. Circle Line and the upcoming DTL use 3. Thomson Line will be the first one to use 4 car trains in 2018.

Gamuda expects nod soon for RM36bil joint MRT project
By SHARIDAN M. ALI
sharidan@thestar.com.my

SHAH ALAM: The Cabinet has yet to approve the Gamuda Bhd-MMC Corp Bhd joint development proposal for the mass rapid transit (MRT) system, said Gamuda group managing director Datuk Lin Yun Ling.

Gamuda, MMC bag RM36bil rail project
Saturday December 18, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/12/18/business/7648412&sec=business

KUALA LUMPUR: A joint venture between Malaysian builders Gamuda and MMC Corp Bhd has received preliminary government approval to manage a RM36bil rail project, sources with direct knowledge of the deal saidyesterday.

The companies got approval to oversee the building of a 156km mass rapid transit project in Kuala Lumpur and the surrounding areas after a weekly government cabinet meeting, said one source who declined to be identified.

Gamuda and MMC were not immediately available for comment.

“However, it’s not certain whether Gamuda-MMC will also be awarded the tunnelling portion of the project,” the source said, referring to the RM14bil drilling component of the project.

The rail system is part of a government plan to alleviate traffic congestion in the capital, and is expected to spur a slew of other building projects and contribute to economic growth.

Analysts expect the Gamuda-MMC venture to get the tunnelling job as they have had similar previous experience.

Local media had previously said the Government was contemplating a “Swiss Challenge” model for the tunnelling project, where other parties were invited to put in bids that match or better Gamuda-MMC’s offer.

Construction analysts said the market had not fully priced in the award of the contract into the companies’ share price.

“Our target for Gamuda is RM4.64 per share, so there’s still more room to move,” OSK Research analyst Jeremy Goh said.

But another construction analyst said investors were cautious about the project’s execution, though Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak’s drive to improve transparency could improve matters.

“If you look at all these huge government projects, they are always subject to political risks and delay,” he said, referring to the award of a RM515mil rail project spanning the peninsular, which was delayed by flip-flops in government policy. - Reuters

The public seems NOT in favour of MRT.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/business/article/gamuda-mmc-bag-rm36b-rail-project/

Again, please note the nod bagged by G-MMC this round is simply for Project Management.

You can say NOT the real thing yet.

If the line serves Damansara, then it should be done.

Damansara area in terms of population and also density is increasing over the years.

Of course, the MRT project will be the biggest challenge for the SPAD to ensure its integrated and complements the existence of existing rail lines, bus services and of course, there is the issue of ticketing system or the design of interchanges.

Previous mistakes on LRT lines such as Kelana Jaya and Ampang serve as reminder of the past (no single ticketing, exit from one station to another nearby station just to change lines).

The public seems NOT in favour of MRT.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/business/article/gamuda-mmc-bag-rm36b-rail-project/

Again, please note the nod bagged by G-MMC this round is simply for Project Management.

You can say NOT the real thing yet.

that's why government opt to route the MRT line on road reserved land. easier. no need to entertain those nimbies. :lol:

PM umum fasa pertama pembinaan projek MRT Sungai Buloh-Kajang

18/12/2010 3:33pm

SUBANG 18 Dis. - Perdana Menteri, Datuk Seri Najib Run Razak hari ini mengumumkan pelaksanaan fasa pertama projek Aliran Transit Massa (MRT) yang dijangka bermula Julai tahun depan.

Fasa pertama projek yang berkenaan melibatkan laluan Sungai Buloh dan Kajang dengan jarak 60 kilometer dengan 35 stesen perhentian yang turut melalui pusat bandar raya Kuala Lumpur.

Dalam masa yang sama, Najib turut mengumumkan jemaah menteri telah memutuskan bahawa Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad (SPNB) sebagai pemilik infrastruktur projek MRT manakala Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Awam Darat (SPAD) sebagai penyelia projek berkenaan.

Selain itu, kerajaan turut membuat keputusan untuk melantik MMC-Gamuda JV Sdn. Bhd. sebagai Rakan Penyampaian Projek (PDP) yang bukan hanya berperanan sebagai pengurus projek, tetapi juga memastikan ia disiapkan mengikut tempoh serta kos yang ditetapkan iaitu dianggarkan RM36 bilion.

Tegas Perdana Menteri, sebarang kos lebihan dan kelewatan projek akan ditanggung oleh pihak PDP. - Utusan

MRT project approved, set to start in July
Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:07
http://www.malaysianmirror.com/media-buzz-detail/6-nation/51161-mrt-project-approved-set-to-start-in-july



Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak said the Cabinet had approved the implementation of the MRT project at its weekly meeting on Friday.

He said the MRT project would generate 130,000 jobs during the duration of its construction which was expected to start July next year and be completed in five to six years.

Once operational, the MRT will first ply the Sungai Buloh to Kajang route via the Kuala Lumpur city centre.

"The travel distance is about 60km and 35 MRT stations will be built along that route. Integrated stations would be built in locations where the MRT overlaps KTM Commuter, Kelana Jaya and Ampang Light Rail Transit (LRT) routes," he told a press conference at the Royal Malaysian Air Force base in Subang before his departure to Kuala Terengganu for a one-day official visit.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT will provide efficient train service to 1.2 million people, he said, adding that it would serve densely populated Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, Bandar Utama, Taman Tun Dr Ismail, Bukit Damansara, Cheras, Bandar Tun Hussein Onn and Balakong. :banana:

Najib also said more than 400,000 commuters would benefit from the Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT service daily.

The MRT implementation is expected to generate a Gross National Income of between RM3 billion and RM4 billion beginning next year until 2020, he added.

He said between RM8 billion and RM12 billion was expected to be generated in terms of spinoffs from the construction of the MRT project.

The routes and locations for the MRT have yet to be finalised and studies would be conducted taking into account optimum land use and real estate values.

As such, he said the actual project cost can only be determined once the value management studies are completed.

"The entire cost of building the project is being fine-tuned. Initial estimates made in 2009 placed the figure at about RM36 billion but this was subject to changes," Najib said.

The Prime Minister said the final cost of the project would depend on factors such as the awarding of contracts through open tender, the escalating cost of raw materials and others.

The Prime Minister also said that the government had decided on kicking off the project with the Sungai Buloh-Kajang route as this corridor did not have adequate rail transport service.

Indepth studies were also carried out on this route which was proposed by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd in 2008 and by MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd recently.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT will be built under phase one of the MRT network in the Klang Valley.

Future routes to be developed gradually over several stages have been proposed and is being studied under the Urban Public Transportation Masterplan, Najib said, according to Bernama.

Asked if any new entry points projects would be unveiled, he said several projects would be announced in January.

Actual project cost can only be determined once the value management studies are completed.

The routes and locations for the MRT have yet to be finalised.

Malaysian builders Gamuda and MMC Corp Bhd has received preliminary government approval to manage the RM36bil rail project.

Approval to builders when important factors and parameters are not even completed and finalised?

All these looks like much eagerness to execute with little or insufficient planning. The eagerness may translate to opportunities and possibilities of corruption where to site the stations.

flash back.

if we look at this proposal from MMC-Gamuda. we will have an idea where these MRT would go.

link here:

http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/

flash back.

if we look at this proposal from MMC-Gamuda. we will have an idea where these MRT would go.

link here:

http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/


TRANSIT.. i think your map is outdated? I mean I read this time it's SUNGAI BULOH to KAJANG, instead of Serdang??

welcome MRT to Kota Damansara.:banana:.
i wish the station is near to my house.

TRANSIT.. i think your map is outdated? I mean I read this time it's SUNGAI BULOH to KAJANG, instead of Serdang??

see again. the dark green line! but i do believe there's a major realignment.

TRANSIT.. i think your map is outdated? I mean I read this time it's SUNGAI BULOH to KAJANG, instead of Serdang??hahaha what do you want lah, that posting is also outdated.

Plans change all the time .... We are waiting for the final, final map.

Also just remember that last year, Najib launched NU Sentral and the Damansara-Cheras line was going to go through NU Sentral, then tunnel from Brickfields YMCA.

Looks like that is not going to be happening...wonder what the people investing in NU Sentral will be thinking.

Now all they have is the monorail they didn't want back in 1997! Hahahaha

The launching of the new line next year sounds like it is really quickly done, but remember that this corridor was already studied by Prasarana and has been recommended by all transit planners & wannabes.

Clearly the government is only just going ahead with a very old proposal for a corridor from Damansara-KL-Cheras ... just because they rerouted it a little bit does not make it that new or special.

But I am glad to see something happening.

Cheers, m

see again. the dark green line! but i do believe there's a major realignment.sounds like they might be taking a cheaper approach to the construction - if the lines crossed at the interchange, they would have to criss-cross the tracks so that they would have cross-platform interchanges.

But if the lines just meet at the interchange, they can put one line on one level and another line on the other level - cheaper for construction but quite inconvenient.

Cheers, m

sounds like they might be taking a cheaper approach to the construction - if the lines crossed at the interchange, they would have to criss-cross the tracks so that they would have cross-platform interchanges.

But if the lines just meet at the interchange, they can put one line on one level and another line on the other level - cheaper for construction but quite inconvenient.

Cheers, m

lines crossed at the interchange? can u give us example any of it?

^^ i think something like the interchange in city hall and raffles in singapore mrt

^^ i think something like the interchange in city hall and raffles in singapore mrtCity Hall & Raffles Place interchanges in Singapore

Siam Square interchange in Bangkok

Central & Admiralty, Prince Edward & Mong Kok, North Point & Quarry Bay, Yau Tong & Tiu Keng Leng ... all in Hong Kong.

They are definitely the kings of cross-platform interchanges. more info here from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-platform_interchange

Cheers, m

sounds like they might be taking a cheaper approach to the construction - if the lines crossed at the interchange, they would have to criss-cross the tracks so that they would have cross-platform interchanges.

But if the lines just meet at the interchange, they can put one line on one level and another line on the other level - cheaper for construction but quite inconvenient.

Cheers, m

lines crossed at the interchange? can u give us example any of it?

A good example is in Hong Kong MTR system.

Photo taken on my travel.

Station : Prince Edward
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/Nissan_FUGA/Public%20transport/DSC03042B.jpg

Red = Tsuen Wan line

Green = Kwun Tong line

City Hall & Raffles Place interchanges in Singapore

Siam Square interchange in Bangkok

Central & Admiralty, Prince Edward & Mong Kok, North Point & Quarry Bay, Yau Tong & Tiu Keng Leng ... all in Hong Kong.

They are definitely the kings of cross-platform interchanges. more info here from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-platform_interchange

Cheers, m

ah, ok i got it. thanks ;)

frankly speaking i luv if we use Hitachi carriages for our mrt, coz i used to its silence n comfortable coach when travel to Bangkok previously,maybe they r using rubber tyre hehehe

MRT project to generate billion$ in GNI
Published: 2010/12/18
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20101218202418/Article/index_html

The implementation of the mass rapid transit (MRT) project in the Klang Valley is expected to generate a Gross National Income (GNI) of between RM3 billion and RM4 billion beginning next year until 2020, said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.

He said between RM8 billion and RM12 billion was expected to be generated in terms of spinoffs from the construction of the MRT project.

"RM21 billion in GNI incremental impact is anticipated to be generated in 2020 from the value appreciation of the project and increase in productivity rate," Najib told a press conference at the Royal Malaysian Air Force base in Subang before his departure to Kuala Terengganu for a one-day official visit.

The Prime Minister said the Cabinet had approved the implementation of the MRT project at its weekly meeting on Friday.

The MRT, the largest infrastructure project in Malaysia, is an economic entry point project identified for the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley National Key Economic Area under the Economic Transformation Programme.

Najib also said the MRT project would generate 130,000 jobs during the duration of its construction which was expected to commence July next year and be complete in five to six years.

Once operational, the MRT will first ply the Sungai Buloh to Kajang route via the Kuala Lumpur city centre.

"The travel distance is about 60km and 35 MRT stations will be built along that route. Integrated stations would be built in locations where the MRT overlaps KTM Commuter, Kelana Jaya and Ampang Light Rail Transit (LRT) routes," he explained.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT will provide efficient train service to 1.2 million people, he said, adding that it would serve densely populated Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, Bandar Utama, Taman Tun Dr Ismail, Bukit Damansara, Cheras, Bandar Tun Hussein Onn and Balakong.

Najib also said more than 400,000 commuters would benefit from the Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT service daily.

The routes and locations for the MRT have yet to be finalised and value management studies would be conducted taking into account the optimum utilisation rate and maximum real estate realisation value.

As such, he said the actual project cost can only be determined once the value management studies are completed.

"The entire cost of building the project is being fine-tuned. Initial estimates made in 2009 placed the figure at about RM36 billion but this was subject to changes," Najib said.

The Prime Minister said the final cost of the project would depend on factors such as the awarding of contracts through open tender, the escalating cost of raw materials and others.

The Prime Minister also added the government decided on kicking off the project with the Sungai Buloh-Kajang route as this corridor did not have adequate rail transport service.

Indepth studies were also carried out on this route which was proposed by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd in 2008 and by MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd recently.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT will built under phase one of the MRT network in the Klang Valley.

Future routes to be developed gradually over several stages have been proposed and is being studied under the Urban Public Transportation Masterplan, he said.

Asked if any new entry points projects would be unveiled, Najib said several projects would be announced in January. - Bernama

Source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/12/19/nation/7652673&sec=nation

Calling it the largest infrastructure project ever undertaken by the country, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the project, estimated to cost some RM36bil, will be Government-owned and not privatised to any company.

● Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd will own the MRT;
● MMC-Gamuda JV Sdn Bhd will only manage the project as Project Delivery Partner;
● A governance programme will monitor the project for cost and transparency; and
● All contract work packages will be awarded through open tender.

RM36b MRT project to be broken down to nine parcels for open tender
By LOH FOON FONG Sunday December 19, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/12/19/nation/7652655&sec=nation

KUALA LUMPUR: The RM36bil Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project, the country’s largest ever infrastructure project, will belong to the Government to ensure that it is completed on time. It will also be built at the lowest possible cost by ensuring complete transparency throughout the project.

In announcing that the Cabinet finally gave its approval on Friday, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the project would not be privatised.

It would instead be owned by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd which already manages the city’s two Light Rail Transit (LRT) lines and the bus services for here and Penang.

The Cabinet also decided that the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) would supervise the project, said Najib.

He said MMC-Gamuda JV Sdn Bhd was appointed as the Project Delivery Partner to manage the project but the company, its associates and subsidiaries would not be allowed to tender for any of the nine parcels of the project except for the tunnelling works.

They would be paid a fee for managing the project with the added responsibility of having to deliver the project within an agreed time and cost.

Stressing that MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture is not a turn-key contractor, the Prime Minister said the project would be divided into work packages which would be awarded individually through open tender.

Even for the tunnelling works, MMC-Gamuda JV would have to make a bid and the job would be awarded to the most competitive one.

Najib said the Government felt that the company should be allowed to tender for the tunnelling works because it is the only local construction company with such experience, citing as examples their work in the SMART Tunnel and the Kaohsiung MRT in Taiwan.

The tunnel for the MRT line here is estimated to be about 10km.

The MRT will generate 130,000 jobs during its construction.

It is also expected to generate a gross national income of between RM3bil and RM4bil per annum from 2011 to 2020 from direct construction and operations and another RM8bil and RM12bil as a result of its multiplier impact.

“Total cost of the project is still being discussed in detail,” Najib said at a press conference yesterday.

The cost of the project was estimated at RM36bil (by MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd) last year but the exact cost would depend on open tender contracts offered, overall price increase of goods as well as determined by the value management studies, he said.

Future lines have been proposed and are being studied as part of the Urban Public Transport Master Plan being drawn up by SPAD, said Najib.

The Prime Minister also announced that the construction of the first line from Sungai Buloh to Kajang, covering 60km with 35 stations, would start in July and work was expected to be completed within five or six years.

“The Government picked the Sg Buloh-Kajang line to start the MRT project as this corridor is not adequately served by rail-based public transport,” he said.

"The Prime Minister also announced that the construction of the first line from Sungai Buloh to Kajang, covering 60km with 35 stations, would start in July and work was expected to be completed within five or six years."

Looking at the Gamuda-MMC MRT route plan there are 2 new main lines. But from the statement above seems like we will only get another/future line after this one completed. I really hope that they will construct both lines at the same time!!!

I have ONE BIG QUESTION to ASK!

RM36 billion for ONE LINE ONLY???? OMG....

I tot last time it was RM40 billion for THREE LINES??

I have ONE BIG QUESTION to ASK!

RM36 billion for ONE LINE ONLY???? OMG....

I tot last time it was RM40 billion for THREE LINES??

I would say RM 36 billion is for three MRT lines, it is just that the first line that will start construction is Sg Buloh-Kajang line.

At least, that is from what i see from most news report so far, ever since the MRT project announced as ETP entry project.

Suppose the MRT project is 150 km. With the announcement of the first MRT line will be about 60 km long, that means, there will be 90 km left.

In another matter, i think improvement of public transport should not only confined to Klang Valley, other urban areas such as Penang, JB and other state capitals and sizable cities or towns should enjoy the benefit as well, be it BRT or tram or in the form bus operation revamp.

There is a need of improving bus services and operation. MRT alone will not help. If people find it hard to park their cars near MRT station due to lack of car parking space and more crucially, no reliable feeder bus service, people might just drive all the way to workplace rather than taking public transport.

I wish to see the MRT model.:)

I hv one BIG Question to ask too but out of the topic..

Gamuda MMC again?

considering GE is emerging in near months and the current admin is busily strategising their interest no matter whats the election outcome, this is no longer surprising to hear the gamuda mmc again. i hv such a feeling that gamuda/mmc is the fed most trusted safe deposit banker no matter where the money goes to build nation infras. go to the unfriendly ground northern side, doubletrack rail project is still progressing despite under the enemy territorial n screw up project managemnt.

back to kl, dont wait and award straight first. later disputes, risks, protests..all still can be managed..only it takes times.

the so self-called 'nation Only specialist contractor' is strongly urge to join the tunnel tender competition. how the others would stand up and spare much of the resources and money to bid for the 'for show only' exercise?

we r knew too.. the biggest portion of profits goes to tunnelling job due to limited competition among local bidders. however, if foreign builders r brought in, i believe the game ll be back to even level.

the biggest turnoff is besides they ll be 99.9% getting the job anyway, whats the real motive of appointed the same builder to manage the entire project with a management fees? this is like coating a sweetener over a candy..

i dont mind how capable is the builder is, but something so fishy here that all the good plannings may be altered in favor of the project manager which has both interests.

I wish to see the MRT model.:)

they will publish the route details around Jan 2011....

Gamuda-MMC have a strong chance of bagging MRT tunneling works
By Bernama
Monday, 20 December 2010 14:47

KUALA LUMPUR: The Gamuda-MMC partnership stands a strong chance of bagging the tunneling works worth RM14 billion for the whole KL Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project, as Gamuda is probably the only local contractor qualified for the task.

OSK Research said in its research report that Gamuda's track record includes the SMART Tunnel, Penchala Tunnel and Kaohsiung MRT.

The Cabinet has approved the RM36 billion KL Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project.

The first line to be constructed will run 60km from Sg Buloh to Kajang.

Gamuda-MMC was picked as the Project Delivery Partner (PDP).

OSK Research raised its Financial Year 2011 to 2013 (FY11-13) earnings for Gamuda by 1%-7% and highlighted the company as its top sector pick with a RM4.78 target price.

Gamuda recorded a higher pre-tax profit of RM109.7 million in the first quarter ended Oct 31, 2010 from RM94.5 million in the preceding year's comparative quarter.

OSK Research said the results were above expectations.

Gamuda reported strong property sales in the first quarter of RM350 million which is 42.7% of FY10 full year.

This caused its unbilled sales to jump from RM560 million to RM760 million quarter-on-quarter. — Bernama

i believed the cost will increase soon ,the rm36billion is initial rough amt,but when time goes by,it most probably will end up to more than rm50billion..so expensive,n thats only for mrt project in Klang valley..

Some updates:

1. Recently it was rumoured UEM-IJM who didnt get the LRT Extension first few packages have proposed a Kota Damansara - KLCC LRT. This LRT will KL's 3rd, besides 3 lines planned for an MRT.

2. I proposed a new MRT connection from Shah Alam/Bukit Jelutong to Kota Damansara area onward to Bandar Menjalara before reaching KLCC.

3. Monorail will be expanded to a few cars.

4. The big question is will Sg Buloh-Kajang MRT bypass KL Sentral?? And where it would go underground - a 10km portion?

5. RM36 billion only for 1 line of MRT or the 3 lines together??? The cost will be the most disastrous thing that hit this nation economically.

MRT system aims to boost Klang Valley’s public transportation
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/12/21/central/7657884&sec=central

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Edge for MMC-Gamuda in MRT tunnel works
By EDY SARIF
edy@thestar.com.my


Appointment as project delivery partner betters the JV’s chance

PETALING JAYA: The recent appointment of MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd as the project delivery partner (PDP) for the mass rapid transit (MRT) project has increased the chances of Gamuda Bhd clinching the tunnelling works when the tender is opened later.

“We think that the Gamuda-MMC JV has an edge in the bid for the RM13bil-RM14bil tunnelling portion, especially since Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak highlighted that an exception should be made in the case of awarding the tunnelling works, as the PDP is the only local contractor with experience in such major jobs,” CIMB Research said.

OSK Research, in its report yesterday, concurred that the JV stood a strong chance of bagging the tunnelling works.

According to AmResearch yesterday, even as Gamuda has reaffirmed its intention to bid for the tunnelling portion, it gathered that the MMC-Gamuda JV would likely still have the first right of refusal to match any competing bids under a “Swiss challenge” for competitive bidding should the Government open up the tunnelling package to foreign parties.


Najib had said on Saturday that the JV, which had been appointed the PDP for the MRT project, would not be allowed to tender any of the work packages except for tunnelling works.

He said the PDP would assume the role of a project manager but with the added responsibility of having to deliver the project within an agreed time and cost.

Najib said the Cabinet had decided that Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd, a fully-owned subsidiary of Ministry of Finance Inc, would be the infrastructure owner of the project while the Land Public Transport Commission would be the supervising authority.

The role of PDP is a milestone for Gamuda as this cements the group's position as the main beneficiary of the 10th Malaysia Plan in terms of mega jobs.


CIMB noted that the JV's track record included construction of the RM1.9bil SMART tunnel, a 3.3km tunnel through Bukit Berapit for the RM12.5bil northern double-tracking project and Gamuda's successful completion of the construction of Kaohsiung MRT in Taiwan.

In view of the total MRT length of 150km, total cost of RM36bil and length of 50km for the Blue Line, CIMB estimated that the first package would cost RM14.4bil and that ground works would commence in July next year.

“The project awards are likely to come through in packages from the first half of next year as the Government is looking to start work in July,” it said.

According to OSK, the first line to be constructed would run 50km from Sg Buloh to Kajang (to be renamed Blue Line compared with previous reference as Red Line).

“This portion of the line running through KL City Centre will largely be underground. Some nine packages will be allocated for the Blue Line, which includes the tunneling packages,” it said.

Building up to a super bull run
By Sharen Kaur
Published: 2010/12/21

A super bull run is on the horizon for Malaysian construction stocks next year on optimism that the RM40 billion Mass Rapid Transit project will start in July.

The bullish outlook is also backed by new government initiatives such as the Economic Transformation Programme and the 10th Malaysia Plan, said UOB KayHian head of research Vincent Khoo.

Research houses are maintaining their overweight call on the sector.

"We expect a bull run next year," Khoo told Business Times.

An analyst from TA Research said the stock market needs news like the MRT as a catalyst for construction stocks to sustain its upbeat momentum.

He said judging from the size of the MRT project, it is certain that almost all local construction companies will benefit.

"If the government divides the project evenly, then each company could get contracts worth RM500 million to RM1 billion. This augurs well for the sector," he said.

The MRT, comprising three lines, is the largest infrastructure project in Malaysia's history. The last project announced was the RM12.5 billion double tracks.

Analysts said the first of the three MRT lines, joining Sungai Buloh and Kajang, running through Kuala Lumpur City Centre, is estimated at RM14 billion. The line will cover 60km and have 35 stations.

They said MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd may get the tunneling portion from Sungai Buloh to Kajang, worth RM6 billion to RM8 billion.

Master Builders Association Malaysia president Kwan Foh Kwai expects companies like Sunway Construction, IJM Construction, Muhibbah Engineering, Bina Puri, Loh & Loh, MRCB Engineering, UEM Builders, WCT, Ranhill and Ahmad Zaki to bid for the MRT.

Others include Eversendai Corp, Crest Builders, Putra Perdana Construction and MTD ACPI.

Ahmad Zaki managing director Datuk Wan Zakariah Muda said the MRT news is positive for the sector. "There will be spillovers and knock-on effects. We plan to participate in the MRT," he said.

An official from Putra Perdana Construction Sdn Bhd said it will eye packages to build structures, stations, bridges and tunnel lining work.

MRT project necessary to cater for population increase
By Bernama
Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:16

KUALA LUMPUR: The Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) and high-speed train projects for the Klang Valley must be implemented now to cater for the population increase each year.

Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Abdul Rahim Bakri said if not now, the government would still have to do it eventually as the existing public transport system would not be able to cope with the rapid population increase.

"Our roads have become increasingly congested as each year almost a million new vehicles are registered, resulting in many public complaints on congestion and discomfort.

"That is why this public transport system upgrading initiative is very important, particularly for Greater KL as this area alone has more than five million residents," he said when winding up the debate on the Supply Bill 2011 for his ministry in the Dewan Negara on Tuesday, Dec 21.

The MRT, the biggest infrastructure project in Malaysia, is an entry point project for the National Key Result Area (NKRA)-Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley under the Economic Transformation Programme.

The project is expected to start in July next year and will take five to six years to complete, with the first route linking Sungai Buloh and Kajang via the city centre.

Abdul Rahim said if the government delayed in providing a suitable, modern public transport system, the cost would go up in future and be a bigger financial loss for the country.

"We cannot delay this project as other countries in the region like Singapore with its MRT system, and China, its high-speed trains, are advanced in this field."

He said the public must think positively about the project aimed at further improving the public transport system which would not only benefit the local population but foreign tourists as well. — Bernama

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RM2 billion for land acquisition can be save if they build on existing roads...

Govt negotiating MRT project fees
By Fintan Ng
fintan@thestar.com.my


It’s in midst of talks with project delivery partner MMC-Gamuda

PETALING JAYA: The Government is in the midst of negotiating with mass rapid transit (MRT) project delivery partner (PDP) MMC-Gamuda JV Sdn Bhd on the fees for managing the project, which would have to be delivered within an agreed timeframe and cost.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak had on Saturday said that work on the 65km Sg Buloh-Kajang line would start in July next tear and was expected to be completed in five or six years.

“The fees are being negotiated,” Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Senator Datuk Seri Idris Jala said at a briefing in Menara Star yesterday.

The project, worth an estimated RM36bil for the civil works alone and not inclusive of rolling stock (trains) and land acquisition, would be the country's largest-ever infrastructure project under the Economic Transformation Programme.

Industry observers believe that MMC-Gamuda, with their expertise in tunneling works acquired in the SMART tunnel and the Kaoshiung MRT projects, was likely to get the tunnelling parcel of the project worth an estimated RM13bil to RM14bil.

However, Najib said while the Government felt that the partnership should be allowed to tender for the tunnelling works as it was the only local construction company with such experience, MMC-Gamuda's associates and subsidiaries would not be allowed to tender for any of the other civil work parcels of the project.

Approximately 20% of the 65km line, especially in areas where the line passes through Kuala Lumpur's central business district (CBD), would be underground.

Idris said the result of the tender for the project would be made known “soon” but declined to comment on anything more specific.

AmResearch Sdn Bhd analyst Mak Hoy Ken said in a Dec 20 report that MMC-Gamuda would likely still have the first right of refusal to match any competing bids under a “Swiss Challenge”, especially if the Government opened up the tunnelling package to foreign parties.

An OSK Research report said the partnership stood a strong chance in bagging the tunnelling works due to track record but might relinquish the PDP role for this aspect of the project to avoid any conflict of interest.

Idris said the Government had decided to use the PDP route in managing the MRT project when confronted with three options the others are turnkey and project management consultant (PMC) as the PDP route meant the project would be able to start almost immediately.

“The Government's view is that if the MRT project is not sorted out soon, then there'll be problems as by 2020 Kuala Lumpur will be totally gridlocked,” he pointed out.

Idris said the turnkey option was not flexible and might prove costly in the long run while the PMC option meant waiting at least five years before the project could start as local players built up their competencies.

He said the PDP option was being used in the London crossrail, London 2012 Olympics, the New Doha International Airport, and the Korea highspeed rail projects.

Idris said the other MRT lines to Klang and circling the CBD were still under study. “As we see it today, the line to Klang is important because the congestion is very heavy at peak hours,” Idris added.

Idris said the other MRT lines to Klang and circling the CBD were still under study. “As we see it today, the line to Klang is important because the congestion is very heavy at peak hours,” Idris added.


WOWOW MRT from Klang to KL CBD huh?

MRT tender open to both local and foreign companies
By Bernama
Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:57

KUALA LUMPUR: The government expects to open the tender process for the first line of the MRT project between Sungai Buloh and Kajang by April, says Land Public Transport Commission chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal.

He said the tender process would be open to both local and foreign companies which have the expertise in handling MRT projects.

The MRT project will be 100% funded by the government, he told reporters at a media briefing on the project here on Thursday, Dec 23.

Mohd Nur said the Ministry of Finance would set up a special purpose vehicle as the infrastructure funding entity.

"The fund raising exercise will be decided by the SPV," he said, adding that construction of the MRT would commence in July next year. — Bernama

WOWOW MRT from Klang to KL CBD huh?

In my opinion, there is no need for MRT from Klang to KL.

Improving KTM Komuter will improve public transport between Klang and KL at faster pace.

Govt-funded MRT
By Ooi Tee Ching Published: 2010/12/24
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/mrt23-2/Article/index_html

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The government will set up a special vehicle company (SPV) to channel total funding for the proposed greater KL mass rapid transit (MRT) project.

Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal said the multi-billion ringgit project will not be undertaken on a turnkey basis and contractors need not seek financing.

"The greater KL MRT project is based on an international concept of project delivery partner, a hybrid of turnkey and project management consultancy," he told reporter at a briefing in Kuala Lumpur yesterday.

Also present at the briefing was SPAD chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar.

"I read some newspaper headlines saying MMC-Gamuda bags RM36 billion MRT project. That is factually wrong," he said.

Abdul Hamid assured that all MRT job packages will be tendered out to both local and international contractors.

"There's no room for direct negotiation. Contract awards will be based on merit, track record and financial strength of the contractor," he said.

"The MMC-Gamuda joint venture has been appointed by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd as the project delivery partner. The RM36 billion figure is the construction cost estimated by MMC-Gamuda, it is not our estimate," he said.

As the project delivery partner, Nur Ismal explained that MMC-Gamuda will take on the risks and responsibilities in ensuring the MRT project is delivered on time. They will sit in with the government in the tender evaluation and appointment of contract packages.

Syed Hamid said the alignment of the Sg Buloh-KL-Kajang route will be displayed for community feedback in March 2011. A ride along the 60km line will take some 90 minutes.

The proposed MRT line will integrate with existing KTM Komuter stations in Sg Buloh and Kajang and light rail transit (LRT) stations in Kelana Jaya and Maluri. About 10km of the 60km line will be underground.

"We hope to roll out the tender for the first batch of job packages by April 2011," he said.

In my opinion, there is no need for MRT from Klang to KL.

Improving KTM Komuter will improve public transport between Klang and KL at faster pace.

i think there is a need for Klang and Shah Alam to be include as well. The train is packed like sardine everyday(during peak hour)..., at least with the MRT it can reduce the congestion and give ppls another choice, besides, there are soo many stops in between. Klang n SA a very high density area and tons of them working in KL CBD. Also with MRT, hopefully traffic @ federal highway will be reduce as well..... Soo i think its a MUST. :D

hurmm...SPAD, just show me your whole nation rail network masterplan...Without proper planning, you are just wasting your time and people money. This will include feeder system to ensure the every stations fully utilized and catchment area are big enough.

In my opinion, there is no need for MRT from Klang to KL.

Improving KTM Komuter will improve public transport between Klang and KL at faster pace.

agree. KTM Komuter already serves Klang. no need for MRT. if only the wanna bulit it, plz make a station near to UiTM!

Possible routes"

which one is better?

Sungai Buloh
Kota Damansara
Mutiara Damansara
Bandar Utama
Kayu Ara
Kelana Jaya LRT
Sea Park
Tropicana City
Seksyen 16
Universiti Malaya
..................



Sungai Buloh
Kota Damansara
Mutiara Damansara
Bandar Utama
Taman Tun Dr Ismail
Tropicana City
Seksyen 16
Universiti Malaya
..................

MRT project to boost productivity of workers by 2020
By Bernama
Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:56

KUALA LUMPUR: The mass rail transit (MRT) project will benefit the economy and boost the productivity of workers by 2020, says Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC).

Chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal said the implementation of the project would see 280 million annual person-hours saved in worker productivity and RM20 billion per annum in time savings.

The 60-km first line will run through Sungai Buloh, Kota Damansara, Kuala Lumpur, Cheras and to Kajang, with an initial plan to build 35 stations.

"Construction will start next July and upon completion in the next five to six years, travellers can enjoy one hour 20 minutes of smooth ride all the way to Kajang and vice-versa," Mohd Nur Ismal told a media briefing here on Thursday, Dec 23.

Also present was LPTC's chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar.

Mohd Nur Ismal said the first line would run through the city centre and integrate with the KTM Komuter, and the Kelana Jaya and Ampang light rail transit lines.

It will serve some 1.2 million commuters and run through areas such as Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, Bandar Utama, Taman Tun Dr Ismail, Bukit Damansara, Cheras, Bandar Tun Hussein Onn and Balakong, he said.

Mohd Nur Ismal said 20% of the Sungai Buloh-Kajang line would be underground.

During the primary stage, he said, there would also be an integrated transport terminal for Northern Corridor Economic Region to be together with MRT line, likely around Sungai Buloh.

Syed Hamid said the government has given an assurance the MRT project would be completed on time.

"However, the standard will not be compromised. At the same time, the public must be consulted," he said.

He said to ensure that the MRT project would be completed on schedule, the Cabinet has approved the establishment steering committee, which would be chaired by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak. — Bernama

dey really aggresive with MRT project huh

MRT tender in April, work starts in July
By ZUHRIN AZAM AHMAD and SHARIDAN M. ALI
newsdesk@thestar.com.my


KUALA LUMPUR: The country’s biggest infrastructure project, the Mass Rapid Transit (MRT), will be built almost entirely through open tender to be called in April and construction work will begin in July.

Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) chief executive officer Nur Ismal Kamal said the competitive bidding process would be evaluated by the Government, project owner Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd and project delivery partner MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd.

He said two independent bodies – an independent checking engineer and value management consultant – would evaluate all bids.

The checking engineer, most probably an experienced foreign engineering firm, would vet all tenders, approve designs as well as look at the safety and quality of work once construction has started.

The value management consultant would ensure that costs are kept at a minimum without compromising safety.

Work on the first phase of the MRT system, which would see the construction of a new rail line from Sungai Buloh to Kajang, is expected to start in July.

“The MRT work scope includes underground stations, elevated stations, depots, track works, system works and rolling stock.

“While the work scope will be via open tender, tunnelling work will be via the Swiss challenge method where the PDP is also allowed to submit a competitive bid,” Nur Ismal said after a briefing yesterday.

Swiss challenge means a private sector participant submits an unsolicited proposal and draft contract principles for undertaking a project to the Government and competitive counter-proposals are invited.

While the PDP would oversee the delivery process of the whole project and provide a single point of accountability, Prasarana will be the project and asset owner of the MRT system and Syarikat Pengangkutan Integrasi Deras Sdn Bhd (RapidKL) will be the system operator.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang line would have a population catchment of 1.2 million with estimated daily ridership of 442,000.

The project is expected to be completed by 2015.

On the cost of the first phase, Nur Ismal said they were still finalising the alignment of the first MRT system line, and thus could not nail down the exact figure yet.

“If we disclose it now, it will not be to our advantage because it’s an open tender bidding. We want to get the best price from the contractors,” he said, adding that even the RM36.6bil figure for the MRT system was not final as it was a figure quoted from the MMC-Gamuda joint proposal.

SPAD chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar said the entire project would be funded by the Government and a special-purpose vehicle under the Finance Ministry would be set up to advise, manage and raise the funds.

On land acquisition, Syed Hamid said it was expected to take place in May and June, immediately after its proposed routes were put up for public display in March.

In my opinion, there is no need for MRT from Klang to KL.

Improving KTM Komuter will improve public transport between Klang and KL at faster pace.

agree. KTM Komuter already serves Klang. no need for MRT. if only the wanna bulit it, plz make a station near to UiTM!
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“We also noticed that highly busy hubs such as Klang, Petaling Jaya and Shah Alam have not been catered for in the initial MRT alignment,” said Idris, who is also the chief executive officer of Performance Management and Delivery Unit (Pemandu).

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According to a breakdown of population in 2010, Klang with a population of 747,000 and Kajang with 743,000 are the second and third most populated municipalities in the Greater KL after Kuala Lumpur with 1.7 million people.

For all: The MRT scheme will form the backbone of a sustainable transport system.

Subang Jaya recorded a population of 583,000, the cities of Petaling Jaya and Shah Alam have 577,000 and 528,000.

“We are exploring other options of the MRT alignment so that it can effectively connect other densely populated areas to encourage a greater flow within the Klang Valley,” said Idris

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Source: http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/12/24/central/7678813&sec=central

Source: http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/12/24/central/7678813&sec=central

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It was initially proposed that there would be three new MRT lines of 141km serving a radius of 20km from the city centre.

The Red Line runs from Sungai Buloh through Kota Damansara to Sri Kembangan while the Green Line runs from Sungai Buloh through Kepong to Kajang, and the Circle Line goes around the city centre.

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Still, the entire integrated public transport system will not be ready until 2020 but motorists and commuters are already struggling to cope with the current congestion.

Idris said the authorities were well aware of this and among the measures in place to tackle the concern were the addition of coaches in the Light Rail Transit, buses and 634 bus stops.

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i think there is a need for Klang and Shah Alam to be include as well. The train is packed like sardine everyday(during peak hour)..., at least with the MRT it can reduce the congestion and give ppls another choice, besides, there are soo many stops in between. Klang n SA a very high density area and tons of them working in KL CBD. Also with MRT, hopefully traffic @ federal highway will be reduce as well..... Soo i think its a MUST. :D

The thing is, sure, KTM Komuter line is congested. No doubt about that. However, it is only congested due to its current capacity. The ultimate capacity after improvement to KTM Komuter line can be a lot higher than what it is at the moment.

For example, currently, KTM Komuter trains are all 3 cars long.

However, all of KTM Komuter stations can handle up to 6 cars long. Now that is excess capacity waiting to be attained by getting longer trains.

Another thing is that i believe, there are certain sections along the route, especially between KL-Klang that can be made into quadruple tracking sections, potentially increasing further the capacity to handle even more people.

Then, consider this. Stations such as Petaling, Klang that has more than 2 tracks along the station. Klang station has 3 platforms, easier to handle even more services.

At the moment, they have two Komuter services. One is normal all-stops service between Port Klang and Batu Caves, another one is fewer-stop between Batu Caves and Klang. To improve the access time to Klang, they can allocate some of the new 6 car trains that they recently ordered (about 38 sets in total) and run limited stop EMU service.

On schedule, KL to Klang takes about 48 minutes on Komuter. If they can bring it down to 40 minutes or even lower by changing current locomotive shuttle train to EMU shuttle train ( for example), it will help.

Therefore, there are many ways to improve the efficiency as well as capacity of KTM line between KL and Klang.

Alternatively, Klang and Shah Alam should have its own transit service, for example, BRT that is connected to a KTM station.

I strongly welcome a new MRT line to serve

Klang Town - Kota Kemuning - Shah Alam - USJ - Subang - Bandar Sunway - Old Klang Road/Old PJ - Mid Valley City - KL Sentral - Bukit Bintang - KLCC


Sungai Buloh - Damansara PJ - Pusat Bandar Damansara - Masjid Jamek - Bukit Bintang - Cochrane - Taman Midah - Bandar Tun Hussein Onn - Balakong - Kajang


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Source: http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/12/24/central/7678813&sec=central

Still, the entire integrated public transport system will not be ready until 2020 but motorists and commuters are already struggling to cope with the current congestion.

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^^2020? mmm, i thought they are building all 3 lines in d same time:). i will be old by then:lol:

SPAD clarification on MRT project
Published: 2010/12/25
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/mrtc/Article/

WITH reference to yesterday's report on "Govt-funded MRT", Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) clarified that contractors will have to find their way, including financial element to complete their job or milestones for progress payments.

It said that in the evaluation of tenders, the government will sit together with the infrastructure owner and project delivery partner. "But on awarding the contract packages, the government will have the final say."

The proposed MRT line will integrate with existing LRT lines, potentially at Pasar Seni for Kelana Jaya line and Maluri for Ampang line.

In my opinion, there is no need for MRT from Klang to KL.

Improving KTM Komuter will improve public transport between Klang and KL at faster pace.

Talking bout KTM upgrade... Is there any upgrade still for the KTM???
is this upgrade really able to support the future growth??? The most important thing... the train speed? fast?

Any1 can explain all the factors pls?

How long does it take to travel from klang to kl by komuter?

How long does it take to travel from klang to kl by komuter?

if youre really lucky, an hour.

Kimlun keen to bid for tunnel lining jobs in MRT project
By Ooi Tee Ching Published: 2010/12/27
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/28kimlun/Article/index_html

Kimlun's unit SPC Industries Sdn Bhd is one of the very few active tunnel lining segments suppliers in Malaysia

KIMLUN Corp Bhd (5171) said it is keen to bid for the tunnel lining segments job packages in the RM14 billion Sungai Buloh-Kuala Lumpur-Kajang mass rapid transit (MRT) line project.

"Yes, we would like to bid for (relevant) parts of the project. We have experience in making MRT tunnel segments," chief executive officer Sim Tian Liang told Business Times in an interview in Kuala Lumpur.

Kimlun's unit SPC Industries Sdn Bhd is one of the very few active tunnel lining segments suppliers in the country, the others being MTD ACPI Engineering Bhd and Hong Leong Asia Pte Ltd.

It has a construction and pre-cast products order book of RM800 million as at September this year.

As one of the largest manufacturer of pre-cast concrete products in Johor, Kimlun has been supplying tunnel lining segments for the Singapore MRT extension project.

"Although we're based in Johor, it is not a problem for us to supply to the Greater KL MRT project. When the government starts to roll out the job packages in mid-2011, we can always lease land in Klang Valley and set up a casting yard there," Sim said.

In Singapore, the Land Transport Authority is tendering out job packages for Downtown Line Stage 3. Tentatively, 17 rail and related works construction are being offered for bids from now until the second quarter of 2011.

"We continue to actively bid to supply tunnel lining segments to the Singapore MRT extension project," Sim said.

SPC Industries has been supplying tunnel lining segments to international contractors such as Shimizu Corp, Shanghai Tunnel Engineering, SK Engineering & Construction and McConnell Dowell SEA.

MIMB Investment Bank, in its latest notes to investors, views Kimlun as a strong contender to secure part of the job packages in the Greater Kuala Lumpur MRT project.

The analyst noted Kimlun's construction gross margin is hovering at between 9 and 12 per cent, double of the industry average.

Kimlun is able to post higher profit margin because it uses industrialised building system (IBS) in its project that reduces waste.

Projects that incorporate IBS component can be completed in half the time of conventional methods and only need a third of the workforce.

The research house placed a "buy" call on Kimlun shares and estimates the price to rise as high as RM1.73.

if youre really lucky, an hour.

:ohno:Thats why KTM has got to wake up!!!:bash:

if youre really lucky, an hour.

Not talking bout the travelling time from klang to kl...
waiting for the train to arrive take ages...
and I can say, sometimes if u r unlucky u will have to wait up to 30 - 45 mins and its like :ohno:

Not talking bout the travelling time from klang to kl...
waiting for the train to arrive take ages...
and I can say, sometimes if u r unlucky u will have to wait up to 30 - 45 mins and its like :ohno:

That is why you have to improve KTM instead of building MRT to improve the service of KTM Komuter, not by ignoring the existing infrastructure.

It is not as if KTM line capacity reaches its maximum design capacity yet.

At the moment, the capacity is constrained by the number of EMUs, the length of existing EMUs (3 coaches long).

Imagine if improvements such as EMUs with 6 car long, it will provide more services compared to building MRT line to Klang. You can offer two types of services with different stopping patterns on the same line, you can't do this on MRT line.

The aim of NKRA when it was announced, is to increase the frequency of KTM Komuter up to 8 trains per hour, or 7.5 minutes per train by buying more trains.

However, we never know what is the actual alignment of MRT to Klang, until they reveal it.

MRT line to Klang has its merit, depending on the alignment...

I hope they can build a rail line from north to south of PJ, that is my dream :D

Talking bout KTM upgrade... Is there any upgrade still for the KTM???
is this upgrade really able to support the future growth??? The most important thing... the train speed? fast?

Any1 can explain all the factors pls?

Time, normally it will take one hour or so, depending on factors such as delays etc.

That is why you need to have more trains on KTM first before embarking on MRT to Klang in future.

Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT takes about 1 hour 20 minutes from one end to another.

If they build it to Klang, no one knows how long does it take for travel. Schedule wise, KTM Komuter takes about 48 minutes (according to the schedule) from KL Sentral to Klang. If they get more trains, the service will be more punctual and of course, the frequency can be higher.

Someone once told me the speed limitation for that sector is due to track conditions at different locations.If thats the case whats KTM waiting for?Taking into consideration of the future LRT extension from kelana jaya if they can upgrade the tracks to the subang jaya station is a bonus.A trip from klang to KL should be just a little under half an hour!!!Sometimes i wonder what the hell is KTM managment thinking like those EMUs were going to last forever!!!Komuter is the only reason there is still KTM today why are they hesitating to pump money upgrading their service??

for me, i'm not agree with somebody who wanna MRT project to be cancel. MRT clearly cover up other location compared to Komuter. And by now, komuter shud improve their tren and service by themself. Komuter has been in KL for over 10 years. Don they makes money from tat?? xkn nk lying on gov gk..

for me, i'm not agree with somebody who wanna MRT project to be cancel. MRT clearly cover up other location compared to Komuter. And by now, komuter shud improve their tren and service by themself. Komuter has been in KL for over 10 years. Don they makes money from tat?? xkn nk lying on gov gk..

Nobody suggests that the MRT project has to be cancelled because MRT does have its place in Klang Valley...rather, to Klang, it is debatable.

Depending on the alignment, KL-Klang MRT might be workable.

Now that Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is designated as the first MRT line, that makes sense.

About government funding, it is very important. As an example, the Kelana Jaya 4 car train funding comes from the government. Even the purchase of ETS (KTM) and KTM Komuter sets, also from the government. Many public transport development projects in the world are funded by the government, even in Japan. For example, the JRTT (Japan Railway Construction, Transport and Technology Agency) is a government agency in Japan that is responsible in handling the financing and construction of Shinkansen line.

For KTM, they ordered new trains (6 car) for Komuter. It may arrive by 2011 or 2012.

At the end of the day, MRT and KTM serves different roles and are equally important for Klang Valley.

Difference is:

MRT serves areas with higher population density than areas serve by KTM, with shorter station distances such as about 1 km to 2 km.

KTM Komuter serves regional area, connects different cities in an area (say, Klang Valley), with longer station distances such as more than 2 or 3 km.

Think of MRT like Osaka Subway.

KTM Komuter is similar to JR West Urban Network.

For KTM, the possibility for improvement is still there, namely more trains, plus freight bypass or quadruple tracking at certain sections. In JR network (also, example in Osaka)...they can run 3 types of services. Namely, local, rapid and special rapid (Shin-Kaisoku), due to the fact that their lines are of quadruple track layout. This is the future that i can imagine for KTM Komuter line, between KL and Klang if they can improve it :)

:ohno:Thats why KTM has got to wake up!!!:bash:

aiyo fren, even if you drive ur own car, u may take almost 1 hour to reach KL to Klang lah fren. don't simply blame here blame there.

Mr Amin its not the blaming gamelah.Since they started service the komuter service should have been able to pick up the slack that the proposed MRT is intended to be doing in the first place!!!Would u rather not be in a train and be in KL within 30 mins than getting stuck in ur car if u live in klang or shah alam?During peak hours the trains are packed like sardine and slow. What is it about this that KTM dont understand????May be the MOF should totally privatize the komuter part of KTM!!

The KTM journey from JB to Wakaf Bharu (Kota Bharu, Kelantan) takes appx 12hrs... simply amazing eh....

i think if the gov is considering to build the mrt to klang from kl... ktm komuter should scrap their underutilized/underserved station... there are quite a no of station like dato' harun, jln templer and petaling... make it more express.. so that people have more choices to travel btwn this 2 places..

Time, normally it will take one hour or so, depending on factors such as delays etc.

That is why you need to have more trains on KTM first before embarking on MRT to Klang in future.

Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT takes about 1 hour 20 minutes from one end to another.

If they build it to Klang, no one knows how long does it take for travel. Schedule wise, KTM Komuter takes about 48 minutes (according to the schedule) from KL Sentral to Klang. If they get more trains, the service will be more punctual and of course, the frequency can be higher.


Hmm, I dunno here... Since Im not a professional in calculating all this... But I always heard people say Klang Shah Alam already got their KTM line why bother to have another MRT or LRT line and its very far from KL...

But I thought Kajang have their own KTM station too, and Kajang is not so near to KL also o.O

I am quite surprise that we are going to have 2 MRT line from northwest KV - southeast KV...Even Subang and PJ doesnt get to build MRT...

Well thats ok, let them build it, but atleast Klang and Shah Alam should have upgrade on the public transport too, but is there any news on it? mind sharing?

How are we going to achieve 75% of KV people using public transport by 2020?

Addons
Bus route should change so that it work as bringing people to the train station and serving particular small area rather to KL city...?
And KV should only stick to TnG card payments and offering some discount and perhaps we can have pay by distance system like SG had... This will attract people use public transport...

I have no idea why RapidKL keep come out with their own student pass, mayb they do not want to cooperate with Teras Teknologi???
If both company can work together, we can have student, normal and senior pass.
Its super expensive still unless u take PT everyday, so the student card from RapidKL is nt feasible... Not all student will choose to have it.. end up a failure after few years and theres come another new student pass (sound just like money sucker credit card market strategy)...

Seperti biasa KTM dianaktirikan.

They should really integrate KTM into RapidKL so that people dun pay for two tickets when transferring. If they keep it that way, RapidKL will slowly kill off KTM as more people will probably transfer to the MRT.

RapidKL should collect the fare and pay KTM per km and pay for the maintenance. This is how I understand Melbourne Metro integrates the various transport companies into a single unified transit system.

Seperti biasa KTM dianaktirikan.

They should really integrate KTM into RapidKL so that people dun pay for two tickets when transferring. If they keep it that way, RapidKL will slowly kill off KTM as more people will probably transfer to the MRT.

RapidKL should collect the fare and pay KTM per km and pay for the maintenance. This is how I understand Melbourne Metro integrates the various transport companies into a single unified transit system.

Hmm... I doubted it... This will not likely to happen in Malaysia... :ohno:
You can see this by looking towards how Teras Teknologi with RapidKL and KTMB... :bash:
Unless their CEO change to people like u :) :cheers:

While driving on jalan bangsar this morning i saw a diesel locomotive pulling about 6 car komuter coach and get this the last coach has got a mobile generator set on it!!!How i wish i had my camera with me!!

KTM ke, MRT ke, LRT ke, from KL to Klang, to Shah Alam to Putrajaya, anything can be possible. But what's more important and crucial is a public transport rail masterplan. What we get to see now seems piecemeal from the previous Mahathir to current Najib administration, still cannot make clear how the routes, coverage, interchanges are maximised in the context of Greater KL.

Senyap for 15 years after the LRT, suddenly we have 3 MRt lines.Like buat suke suke only??

Shouldnt there be a sustainable step-by-step, line-by-line to realise a greater rail transport vision? Just look at neighbour Singapore.....

While driving on jalan bangsar this morning i saw a diesel locomotive pulling about 6 car komuter coach and get this the last coach has got a mobile generator set on it!!!How i wish i had my camera with me!!

Probably the only commuter system desperate enough to use hybrid trains:lol:

KTM ke, MRT ke, LRT ke, from KL to Klang, to Shah Alam to Putrajaya, anything can be possible. But what's more important and crucial is a public transport rail masterplan. What we get to see now seems piecemeal from the previous Mahathir to current Najib administration, still cannot make clear how the routes, coverage, interchanges are maximised in the context of Greater KL.

Senyap for 15 years after the LRT, suddenly we have 3 MRt lines.Like buat suke suke only??

Shouldnt there be a sustainable step-by-step, line-by-line to realise a greater rail transport vision? Just look at neighbour Singapore.....

Clearly they didnt do their homework...
And push all the homework to others at the very last minute.. well done :cheers:

KTM ke, MRT ke, LRT ke, from KL to Klang, to Shah Alam to Putrajaya, anything can be possible. But what's more important and crucial is a public transport rail masterplan. What we get to see now seems piecemeal from the previous Mahathir to current Najib administration, still cannot make clear how the routes, coverage, interchanges are maximised in the context of Greater KL.

Senyap for 15 years after the LRT, suddenly we have 3 MRt lines.Like buat suke suke only??

Shouldnt there be a sustainable step-by-step, line-by-line to realise a greater rail transport vision? Just look at neighbour Singapore.....

We all know the answer, it lies in the hands of politicians. Here in SG we only have one political party and thus all projects are/were carried out without political hindrance :)

Sorry for bringing up the politic talks here... my apology :cheers:

Probably the only commuter system desperate enough to use hybrid trains:lol:

:lol:It was the most ridiculous looking thing ever!I was laughing my ass off looking at it:nuts:KTM memang tak boleh:bash:

Would u rather not be in a train and be in KL within 30 mins than getting stuck in ur car if u live in klang or shah alam?During peak hours the trains are packed like sardine and slow. What is it about this that KTM dont understand????May be the MOF should totally privatize the komuter part of KTM!!

the 'power' to purchase cars is under MoT. remember when OTK tried to buy second hand cars for Komuter service before? while KTM is under MoF and virtually served under MoT also, u can imagine how messy the KTM is.

i believe KTM indeed UNDERSTAND your problem. but you should ask their 'big boss', the MoF and MoT that question instead.

no point to 'totally privatize' KTM if only we know where the real problems came from.

Someone once told me the speed limitation for that sector is due to track conditions at different locations.If thats the case whats KTM waiting for?Taking into consideration of the future LRT extension from kelana jaya if they can upgrade the tracks to the subang jaya station is a bonus.A trip from klang to KL should be just a little under half an hour!!!Sometimes i wonder what the hell is KTM managment thinking like those EMUs were going to last forever!!!Komuter is the only reason there is still KTM today why are they hesitating to pump money upgrading their service??money comes from Ministry of Finance, which owns KTMB but does not want to invest....and we all know who the Minister of Finance is ....

But we do not know all of what the Minister is financing....

Cheers, m

Greater Klang does not have the density to support an MRT but there is density along the north-south corridor.

There is also significant demand for bus trips along 3 corridors in the east-west direction.

Klang should have its own LRT along a north-south corridor with an east-west MRT that would extends to Shah Alam.

The Kelana Jaya LRT should be extended to Shah Alam stadium, while the Ampang LRT can be extended to Kota Kemuning then up to Shah Alam city centre via the Kemuning Shah-Alam "highway" corridor

In the future, the three LRT lines can be linked up at Shah Alam city centre

Expanding KTM Komuter to 6-carriage trainsets and increasing frequency to 5-7 minutes will do a lot towards improving service.

Also, new corridors must be explored, starting with Sri Subang.

Cheers, m

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Klang should have its own LRT along a north-south corridor with an east-west MRT that would extends to Shah Alam.

The Kelana Jaya LRT should be extended to Shah Alam stadium, while the Ampang LRT can be extended to Kota Kemuning then up to Shah Alam city centre via the Kemuning Shah-Alam "highway" corridor

In the future, the three LRT lines can be linked up at Shah Alam city centre

Expanding KTM Komuter to 6-carriage trainsets and increasing frequency to 5-7 minutes will do a lot towards improving service.

I totally agree with u on this!!!Putra Heights is simply not it!!!But we damm know the reason behind it.Selfish greedy agenda as usual.The priority should be the present day demand and to take people out of their cars not future development favoring big companies with huge land banks in that area:bash:

agree..they should use the MRT to penetrate the current high density areas ..not some god forsaken sime darby property!!

MRT project: Malaysia learns from MTR
Published: 2011/01/07



The Government is aggressively seeking the best elements for the much-anticipated RM36 billion mass rapid transit (MRT) project before the development takes off in July.

The massive project will be a major contributor to the success of the Greater Kuala Lumpur National Key Economic Area (NKEA).

In proving its commitment, the Government has sent a delegation for a four-day working visit headed by the Land Public Transport Commission chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar from Jan 5 to Jan 8 to learn from Hong Kong's metro system operator, MTR Corporation, on how to manage the system and merge commercialisation with the MRT.

Officials from the Performance Management and Delivery Unit (Pemandu) in the Prime Minister's Department and Syarikat Perumahan Negara Berhad (SPNB) are also in the delegation.




Undoubtedly, the MRT has been long awaited and very much a "god send" as it will become the backbone of the integrated public transport network across north-west and south-east corridor alignment and will serve a larger cause, primarily enabling the economic generator to move.

Besides helping appreciation of property value and creating about 1.2 million square feet commercial and residential development, it is also expected to create more than 130,000 jobs during its construction, and will develop RM3 to RM4 billion annually in terms of direct gross national income contribution from its construction and operations, and a further RM8 billion to RM12 billion generated from spillover effects.

Thus, the Government is seriously looking to learn from MTR, which is now involved in a wide range of business activities like consultancy services in addition to its railway operations.

Ivan Lai, Head of Operations, Support and West Region MTR Corporation, said to date the MTR has completed development at 27 MTR stations, generating 74,165 housing units and more than 1.7 million square metres of commercial space.

It also owns and manages a number of quality retail complexes throughout Hong Kong.

He said MTR's business model has been proven successful as the cost of building new railways is borne by profits generated from the property segment. -- Bernama

Just curious, why not approach Singapore's SMRT as they are our closest neighbour? It's a win-win for Msia and SG, isn't it?

^^ I don't think SMRT incorporates the commercial integration into their operations elements...If I'm not mistaken they just build and operate the system. Even SMRT is looking towards the MTR HK model for their future operations....

^^ I don't think SMRT incorporates the commercial integration into their operations elements...If I'm not mistaken they just build and operate the system. Even SMRT is looking towards the MTR HK model for their future operations....

Thanks... so for Msia's MRT, will they manage the operations or outsource to MTR HK? Honestly, if cost is not an issue, I'd prefer them to outsource to either MRT HK or SMRT SG.

^^ I don't think SMRT incorporates the commercial integration into their operations elements...If I'm not mistaken they just build and operate the system. Even SMRT is looking towards the MTR HK model for their future operations....

learn from HK konon....keluar makan angin adalah..

ha3...well, its new in Msia rite.
let see wat they can do. hope this project will giv as much benefit as we expected.

I want the Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT to pass through KL EcoCIty/Mid Valley City area as well.

Thanks... so for Msia's MRT, will they manage the operations or outsource to MTR HK? Honestly, if cost is not an issue, I'd prefer them to outsource to either MRT HK or SMRT SG.

Well, wat I meant by integration of commercial elements done by MTR is this. MTR builds and manages the stations which is integrated or developed together with some commercial elements to be rented out for profits. So it's a win-win situation. Stations are attracting the crowds and well-utilized and at the same time, MTR gains from rental on the station which they develop and integrate with some commercial elements. They could lease out shops or have a mega commercial complex developed with their stations....I think that's the model that the KL MRT hopes to achieve....govt-private initiative

I want the Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT to pass through KL EcoCIty/Mid Valley City area as well.

and also the future empire city :cheers:

Sg Buloh-Kajang MRT to be finalised Apr-May

2011/01/08

HONG KONG: The locations of the 35 stations of the first mass rapid transit (MRT) line from Sg Buloh to Kajang are expected to be finalised between April and May, says Land Public Transport Commi*ssion (SPAD) chief executive officer, Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal.
"We have not finalised the locations yet. We have the ideas ... we have the potential locations but nothing is finalised as it needs to be done through proper consultation with the public," he told reporters on the sidelines of the four-day working visit here today.

The line, with about 9.5km underground, will run through Sg Buloh, Kota Damansara, Kuala Lumpur, Cheras to Kajang.


However, it was previously reported the alignment of the MRT may differ from what it was first proposed by MMC-Gamuda JV Sdn Bhd, the project delivery partner, as some highly busy hubs like Klang, Petaling Jaya and Shah Alam were not included in the initial MRT alignment.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, Senator Datuk Seri Idris Jala, was quoted as saying the government was exploring other options of the MRT alignment so that it could effectively connect other densely-populated areas to encourage a greater flow within the Klang Valley.

Mohd Nur said a roadshow would be held in February to seek public feedback before the public display from March to May.


Asked from which country the MRT's trains would be acquired, he said the government has not decided, adding that, "it will be done through open tender".

"It will be done through the best specification possible, taking into consideration long-term cost of ownership. All will be done properly, openly and globally to make sure we have the best value possible," he said.

He said the government was busy seeking the best elements to be merged with the much-awaited MRT project, so that it could churn spillover effects to the country's economy.


The four-day visit, from Jan 5, was headed by SPAD chairman, Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar.

Mohd Nur said the visit was fruitful as the delegation managed to learn about the business model operated by the Hong Kong's metro system operator, MTR Corp, especially the idea of merging commercialisation with the MRT development.

"There are a lot of fantastic ideas. We doing this as an ongoing effort to really make this MRT project a success in terms of minimising the government's cost and developing opportunities for commercialisation," he said.

Established in 1975, MTR Corp is also involved in a wide range of business activities like consultancy services as well as property leasing and management in addition to its railway operations.

Todate the MTR has completed development of 27 stations, generated 74,16 housing units and more than 1.7 million sq metres of commercial space.

It also owns and manages a number of retail complexes throughout the country, and the business model has been proven successful as the cost of building new railways is borne by profits generated from the property segment.

"So, that's why we are interested in this model. For example, the MTR Corp manages to get about 35 per cent of its revenue from non-fare segment.

"In terms of profit, it is almost 50 per cent (fares) and 50 per cent (non-fares revenue). So property is delivering a lot of profit to the bottom-line and that is used to offset the cost of infrastructure.

"Based on MTR Corp's model, they don't actually used their money to develop the infrastructure as it is done through private venture. We are also looking at public-private partnership structure for this project," he said.

However, he said, the government has no immediate plan to appoint MTR Corp as consultant for Kuala Lumpur MRT, adding that the government was also looking the best practices also from the other part of the world to be adopted.

"We will look globally ... what have successfully been done in other countries like London and Singapore as there are different ingredients that work for them but might not work for us.

"So, we should incorporate everything to make this project successful," he said. -- BERNAMA



Read more: Sg Buloh-Kajang MRT to be finalised Apr-May http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/SgBuloh-KajangMRTtobefinalisedApr-May/Article/#ixzz1ASAsCO7a

heard that UM will have MRT/LRT station?..

My amendment to the routes I proposed:

Sungai Buloh KTM
Damansara Damai
Kota Damansara
Persiaran Surian
Mutiara Damansara
Bandar Utama
Damansara Uptown
Tropicana City
Section 16/17 (Phileo Damansara)
Universiti Malaya
Pusat Bandar Damansara
Jalan Maarof/Bangsar Baru
KL EcoCity/Abdullah Hukum LRT
KL Sentral ****
Kampung Attap/Pasar Seni LRT
Warisan Merdeka
Imbi Monorail
KL International Financial District (Bulatan Pandan)
Jalan Cochrane/Maluri LRT
Shamelin Perkasa/Pandan Jaya
Cheras Baru
Taman Midah/Bandar Tun Razak
Taman Connaught
Alam Damai
Bandar Tun Hussein Onn
Cheras Raya/Koperasi Cuepacs
Balakong
Saujana Impian
Kajang KTM

Is it safe to assume that all these would be automated systems ?

Is it safe to assume that all these would be automated systems ?

possibly. But not all new metros are automated. Shanghai's metro still have drivers to monitor the automated system(slowing down and open doors in case of emergency).

Somehow I still think that it's a good bet that we'll see Bombardier in the picture. Don't really see much footprint for Alstom in Malaysia though, apart from the Power Industry. Or we can go cheap (not so) and buy from those Chinese CSR/CNR.

Somehow I still think that it's a good bet that we'll see Bombardier in the picture. Don't really see much footprint for Alstom in Malaysia though, apart from the Power Industry. Or we can go cheap (not so) and buy from those Chinese CSR/CNR.

Agree.Alstom has not been promoting itself agressively as SIEMENS but they bought Adtranz that built the STAR LRT right? So possibility is there as the STAR LRT so far has been very reliable and has not had as much breakdowns as Bombardier's ART.SIEMENS has demonstrated itself well with the ERL and the new Chinese EMUs will arrive soon, so semua orang dpt:lol:.

He he, actually the one that bought ADTranz was Bombardier. And with the opening of the APAC HQ in KL and the Bombardier-Hartasuma JV and stuffs. You can pretty much say that this is one job that they'll be fighting tooth and nails for.

Siemens on the other hand always seems to pine their hope on the ERL extensions and the KL-Singapore HSR. And they did sold of their stake in EMAS if I'm not mistaken. Maybe only more interested in selling rolling stocks?

MRT jobs to be out in May, ahead of schedule
By Adeline Paul Raj
Published: 2011/01/12




CONTRACTS for work on Malaysia's first mass rapid transit (MRT) line, linking Kajang and Sungai Buloh, will be awarded in May this year, an official said.

This is earlier than some analysts expected and will likely be welcomed by the market, which has been looking for projects like this, which come under the government's Economic Transformation Programme (ETP), to show progress.

The project's groundbreaking is supposed to kick off this July.

The Land Public Transport Commission chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal said tenders for the preliminary and main works will likely be called by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd at the end of April, with the awards to be announced "around mid-May".

The Prasarana-appointed project manager, a joint venture between Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd, will be able to give recommendations on which firms should get contracts, but it will be the government who has the final say, Nur Ismal said.

It is "not clear" yet if tenders for rollingstock, which include trains, will also be called before the project's groundbreaking, he added.

The Kajang-Sungai Buloh line, expected to be operational by 2016, is the first of possibly at least three MRT lines to come that would run a length of between 55 and 60km.

The three lines may cost RM36.6 billion in total, going by Gamuda-MMC's initial estimates in 2009, but this has yet to be determined.

Nur Ismal said the target cost for the first line is currently being worked out.

A special purpose vehicle set up by the Ministry of Finance Inc will be tasked to raise funds for this project, and possibly other infrastructure projects in future, he said.

There will be incentives for MMC-Gamuda if they can deliver the project below the target cost. Should they incur cost over-runs, however, they will have to pay up the difference, he said.

"We are highly focused on delivering the first line," he said.

Nur Ismal was speaking to reporters in Putrajaya after Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak announced 19 more projects, including the MRT, under the ETP.

More news on the second and third lines may be unveiled in late March or early April this year, he added.

"The timeline for the (first) MRT tender is slightly ahead of our expectations ... it should be viewed positively by the market," Chris Eng, head of reach at OSK Investment Bank Bhd, told Business Times.

Najib said the MRT will employ about 130,000 people at its peak construction phase and have a significant multiplier impact on associated industries.

Investment in it will see an incremental gross national income contribution of RM21.3 billion come 2020.

Why not they awarded the contract to 2 diff contractor.

one will develop the project starting from Kajang...and another one starting from Sg.Buloh.

so they will compete each other and speed up the constructions.

cannot wait 5 years to finish lah.too long.
traffic getting worse every year.

Why not they awarded the contract to 2 diff contractor.

one will develop the project starting from Kajang...and another one starting from Sg.Buloh.

so they will compete each other and speed up the constructions.

cannot wait 5 years to finish lah.too long.
traffic getting worse every year.

I don't think it will make any difference.

Usually, the construction of the project is being implemented simultaneously, from one end to another end.

Just like Ipoh-Padang Besar double tracking, constructions in Perlis, Kedah, Penang and Perak all started simultaneously.

Why not they awarded the contract to 2 diff contractor.

one will develop the project starting from Kajang...and another one starting from Sg.Buloh.

so they will compete each other and speed up the constructions.

cannot wait 5 years to finish lah.too long.
traffic getting worse every year.

normally for a long highway, like the LPT 2nd Phase, they awarded to different contractors for different route.

i think they will award to different contractors for every MRT station, i guess.

but, the bad thing about this is, if any contractors spoil the project, the whole project will get affected. so better to give to only 1 master contractor. in this case, Gamuda.

He he, actually the one that bought ADTranz was Bombardier. And with the opening of the APAC HQ in KL and the Bombardier-Hartasuma JV and stuffs. You can pretty much say that this is one job that they'll be fighting tooth and nails for.

Siemens on the other hand always seems to pine their hope on the ERL extensions and the KL-Singapore HSR. And they did sold of their stake in EMAS if I'm not mistaken. Maybe only more interested in selling rolling stocks?

:bash:..i am really lazy for research nowadays..then alstom is not in the rat race.

but with so much competition..especially with participation from Chinese firms it will be good as all companies will bid lower and lower and offer better...with EU economy contracting and Asian nations spending on infra..the West based firms will fight tooth and nail for KL's MRT project and hopefully we will benefit if we stick fiercely to open tender for this one:).

Why not they awarded the contract to 2 diff contractor.

one will develop the project starting from Kajang...and another one starting from Sg.Buloh.

so they will compete each other and speed up the constructions.

cannot wait 5 years to finish lah.too long.traffic getting worse every year.

What makes you think the project will be completed in 5 years?

This entire thing about the MRT, from route to station to tender information, are so non-transparent!!

:ohno:Hee satu lagi project dari kawan kawan untuk rakan rakan sahaja:lol:
Malaysia memang boleh:banana:

:ohno:Hee satu lagi project dari kawan kawan untuk rakan rakan sahaja:lol:
Malaysia memang boleh:banana:

if let say,the rakan2 is the most eligible specialist for this project,y not giving it to them,since they received a lot of tenders,contracts previously(cronism) definitely no doubt they r the most experienced contractor available in this country.Well,they r regularly rubs shoulders with some politicians,received a lot of projects all this while so they got all the expertise/experienced than the fresh contractors.. OMG,y i'm thinking of this:bash:

n one more thing,they will employ 130k people for this project, i believe those numbers for our beloved blue collar indonesians, nepalese, bangladeshi workers who willing to work under scorching sun n they will send money to their homeland which no benefit at all to us..i hate when politicians said darndest things

hahah i agree on that extent they always come out with this number , like obama spent 800 billion and said we saved 1.4 million jobs but at the same time 8 million job losses with 800 billions! do you want to work under the hot sun building ramp and track ? could be about 1000-2000 engineer will be hired during the whole process so all is not lost but at the same i do agree with you they are trying to act like public are just so stupid they can just produce any number

n one more thing,they will employ 130k people for this project, i believe those numbers for our beloved blue collar indonesians, nepalese, bangladeshi workers who willing to work under scorching sun n they will send money to their homeland which no benefit at all to us..i hate when politicians said darndest things

It's happening here in Singapore, so it's NOT really something new :)

Anyway, we should focus on the project delivery (timely?), quality and maintenance, and customer service. With the consultation from MTR HK, I hope the standard won't be too far off... :nuts:

It's happening here in Singapore, so it's NOT really something new :)

Anyway, we should focus on the project delivery (timely?), quality and maintenance, and customer service. With the consultation from MTR HK, I hope the standard won't be too far off... :nuts:

yup...i hope so. tis wat services in Msia should change of...

It's happening here in Singapore, so it's NOT really something new :)

Anyway, we should focus on the project delivery (timely?), quality and maintenance, and customer service. With the consultation from MTR HK, I hope the standard won't be too far off... :nuts:

dont worry,with this new programmen GTP,ETP,NKREA,KPI,ABC (whatever alphabetical is..) ,government now r really serious to implement the project as what they promised for, everyday they talk about this government transformation,if those project not done according to plan,its really a disaster for BN since they talk too much about it n this might influence the next General election result

but if still what we r hoped for not materialized, i just dunno what to say..

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Meeting with residents over MRT
By THEAN LEE CHENG Saturday January 15, 2011
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/15/nation/7803776&sec=nation

PETALING JAYA: The Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) has organised two meetings today with members of the public affected by the construction and alignment of the country’s first mass rail transport (MRT) system.

It will be the first of the many sessions by LPTC with residents and business communities from now until the middle of the year.

The commission met with representatives of chambers of commerce and the business community yesterday.

The first round of these sessions with residents and business communities focuses on the environmental impact assessment (EIA) of the RM40bil project, with emphasis on the first phase of what may eventually be part of a proposed 150km line.

This first phase, known as the Sg Buloh-Kajang line, is considered as optimum as it will provide public transport to areas with little or no public transport currently.

In a circular to 53 resident associations and community groups dated Dec 30, the commission said it wanted the public to be informed about the EIAs it had carried out on the project.

The morning session at Institut KWSP in Bandar Baru Bangi is for Cheras and Kajang residents while the afternoon session at Eastin Hotel, Petaling Jaya, is for Damansara and Shah Alam residents.

The objectives of the sessions are to inform and explain the environmental impact of the MRT line and get feedback from the affected stakeholders and residents.

Developers, whose projects and housing schemes are located along the MRT alignment, are also expected to be there.

Feedback from these sessions will be used by the different authorities to enhance the concept and design of the line, the circular said.

The people’s views will be forwarded to the Prime Minister and any change in alignment will be finalised and approved by him. The LPTC comes under the Prime Minister’s Department.

The EIA report, including assessment on noise, pollution, social impact and property value, will also be displayed at all local authorities, the Department of Enviroment headquarters and offices in Selangor and public libraries.

The MRT is one of the projects identified under the Government’s economic transformation programme (ETP).

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/16/nation/7810325&sec=nation

TTDI residents against MRT system

PETALING JAYA: Residents of Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) near here have rejected the proposed mass rapid transit (MRT) system, saying that it will turn their residential area into a “living hell” with non-stop traffic jams and other problems.

They claimed the MRT trains would create noise pollution while the rail tracking pillars would be an eyesore.

Their objection was heard during a dialogue with the Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) at Eastin Hotel here yesterday.

The dialogue was the first of the many sessions by the LPTC with the public who are affected by the construction and alignment of the country’s first MRT system.

The commission’s officials, led by its chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismail Kamal, also met with residents of Cheras and Kajang separately at Institut KWSP in Bandar Baru Bangi.

The first round of these sessions with residents focused on the environmental impact assessment (EIA) report of the RM40bil project, with emphasis on the first phase of what may eventually be part of a proposed 150km line.

This first phase, known as the Sungai Buloh-Kajang line, will provide public transportation to areas with little or no public transport now.

A TTDI resident association (RA) representative asked the LPTC to consider constructing an underground track for the section.

“This may cost more but when there is so much protest, it can be the best alternative. Otherwise, we wouldn’t mind if you (LPTC) bypass us,” said the representative, who wished to be identified only as Halim.

Another RA representative from Sunway Damansara said the landscape of some areas including Persiaran Surian would be affected by the sheer size of the pillars and the elevated track.

“The pillars and tracking would look like a monster and could have an impact on the value of the properties in the area,” he said.

“If the noise from the present LRT is already annoying, the one created by the MRT trains would be unbearable and who wants to live in a noisy residential area?”

Mohd Nur Ismail told the residents that the track alignment plan was still at the provisional stage and adjustments could be made after the commission completed the dialogue sessions.

“We will study the comments and feedback thoroughly before we put the plan for public display.

“Even when it is being displayed, the public could still give us their feedback and we will work out the best solution,” he said.

habis tu tempat2 lain lebuh raya/laluan LRT yang ada yang korang guna tu tak eyesore dan tak bising buat penduduk2 kat situ?.

konsepnya - buat tempat lain takpe..jangan buat kat tempat aku.tapi aku leh guna..kann.

macam tu korang jalan kaki je pegi mana2.jgn guna kemudahan kat tempat org.
bodoq.

the residents of my area Damansara Utama, Damansara Jaya and Bandar Utama will also protest protest SAY NO TO MRT, if not BN can never win PJ Utara haha....

No one here needs public transport coz alot of homes have about 3 cars with 2 of them branded cars. And we have a number of Datuks staying within us that can STOP it.

But again I like MRT that's why I started this forum. :)

the residents of my area Damansara Utama, Damansara Jaya and Bandar Utama will also protest protest SAY NO TO MRT, if not BN can never win PJ Utara haha....

No one here needs public transport coz alot of homes have about 3 cars with 2 of them branded cars. And we have a number of Datuks staying within us that can STOP it.

But again I like MRT that's why I started this forum. :)

They fail to see that the number of cars keep climbing in Malaysia.

Car sales already reaching near 600,000, a record high in Malaysia.

LDP is going to congested, despite proposed improvement works.

the residents of my area Damansara Utama, Damansara Jaya and Bandar Utama will also protest protest SAY NO TO MRT, if not BN can never win PJ Utara haha....

No one here needs public transport coz alot of homes have about 3 cars with 2 of them branded cars. And we have a number of Datuks staying within us that can STOP it.

But again I like MRT that's why I started this forum. :)

For heaven sake, STOP PROTESTING. Just because they have private transport that doesn't mean cannot. The West of Singapore not a single complain. Either, switch to underground, complain, traffic jam in TTDI, more complain. What do they want, for sake of KL's future. Govt must not listen to them. Just go on as plan, they will never learn the advantages

They fail to see that the number of cars keep climbing in Malaysia.

Car sales already reaching near 600,000, a record high in Malaysia.

LDP is going to congested, despite proposed improvement works.

traffic around damansara,puchong, PJ already congested- during work days.and SATURDAY.
ppl around KL flocking to mutiara damansara,bandar utama causing massive traffic jam.
as a damansara resident, it is a headache :gaah:

terpaksa ikut exit tol kota damansara - tol jalan duta kalau nak masuk kl n balik ke damansara.

the residents of my area Damansara Utama, Damansara Jaya and Bandar Utama will also protest protest SAY NO TO MRT, if not BN can never win PJ Utara haha....

No one here needs public transport coz alot of homes have about 3 cars with 2 of them branded cars. And we have a number of Datuks staying within us that can STOP it.

But again I like MRT that's why I started this forum. :)

This is really sad...

i just dont get it with malaysians ppls.... they keep on complaining about gov need to improve public transport and bla bla bla... then they gave something shitty like this. to be honest sometimes i think its not because of the gov keep holding us back but more on the stupidity of the ppls like this. what a shame!!:ohno::ohno:

Aduh, its public transport upgrade pun, diorang mau protes?!

nimbies. ignore them. they love their cars too much.

Yeah let them sit in the traffic jams, since they dun wan the MRT...

^^ There will always be a small minority that doesn't approve of such projects as they feel it is a waste of public funds in any country in the world. We have to ignore some of these protest unless there really has been a breach of regulations on the part of the operator or the government in handling the issue. :)

^^ There will always be a small minority that doesn't approve of such projects as they feel it is a waste of public funds in any country in the world. We have to ignore some of these protest unless there really has been a breach of regulations on the part of the operator or the government in handling the issue. :)

Ya, true, that is what makes our world so colourful...

OMG...how can they think tat way??
come on TTDI resident..i know traffic jam over thr is so damn headache..
but let gov do wat they think, can solve everything..

kalo dorg xnk, robohkn je umh dorg..ha3!!!

masalah betol la yg protest ni
tpi sibuk la compare ngan negara org kate public tras bez la ape la
tpi bile nk buat or nk improve x nk
x payah dgr sgt yg minoriti nih..

Aren't those TTDI residents the one that always complaining that LDP is already choking to death last time.

Don't think that they will leave their big cars at home and go to Pavilion or Gardens using trains & buses. Maybe all the resistance because deep inside they never consider themselves (or don't want) to be stakeholders in KL public transport in the first place ?

I don't get their logic.lose some,win some..they blantly oppose the developement without knowing the fruits it'll bring along.STUPID noobs.

masalah betol la yg protest ni
tpi sibuk la compare ngan negara org kate public tras bez la ape la
tpi bile nk buat or nk improve x nk
x payah dgr sgt yg minoriti nih..

Yes, puak puak yg sama ni la gi London peghak naek Underground & bas merah kat sana sambil sakan dok hafal Tube map. Kat sini haram LRT pon x penah naek. Apa lagi bas, x classssss.

tak paham ngan certain malaysian nih
rela mndengar bunyi kete beterusan or moto yg merempit tngah malam
dri dengar bnyi keretapi siang jek...mlm mane lalu kan..
tue yg nk buat highway boleh jek cpat jek siap...tpi bile nk buat lrt or mrt susah sgt...
kalau x nk pndah la..kate kaya kan...
dah agak dah..those yg 'kaya' tue akan protest mrt nih..padahal belum ade pon pameran kat public..

the residents of my area Damansara Utama, Damansara Jaya and Bandar Utama will also protest protest SAY NO TO MRT, if not BN can never win PJ Utara haha....

No one here needs public transport coz alot of homes have about 3 cars with 2 of them branded cars. And we have a number of Datuks staying within us that can STOP it.

But again I like MRT that's why I started this forum. :)


If that is the case, the entire Klang Valley too doesn't need public transport cause not only those at BU, DU and DJ have 2/3 big cars at home but I could attest that my neighbourhood in Cheras too have lotsa big cars too. I believe those staying in Puchong or even Serdang could attest to that too.

The nearest 25 houses to mine already have 5 Datuks with my immediate neighbour a Dato' with a JP somemore :D .....so yea.....that's like 20% :eek: Both my immediate neighbours have 6 cars each and mind you that half of those are Mercedes and Porches. BTW I have 4 cars with only 2 person driving (my sister knew how to but she doesn't drive) :D

However I still believe that even those with big cars wouldn't protest. I believe those protested are probably the loud minority. Let the plans go on public display and let the general public judged the alignment rather than those fussypots. :yes:

I believe those protested are probably the loud minority. Let the plans go on public display and let the general public judged the alignment rather than those fussypots. :yes:

:okay: sure, they are everywhere. sounds like majority, looks like majority, yet nobody in their neighborhood recognize them.

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MRT may cost over RM36.6bil
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/17/business/7812063&sec=business

^^ There will always be a small minority that doesn't approve of such projects as they feel it is a waste of public funds in any country in the world. We have to ignore some of these protest unless there really has been a breach of regulations on the part of the operator or the government in handling the issue. :)the problem is that those breaches (or simply ignoring of) regulations happens regularly - one of the reason why many people have concerns over any government project.

Cheers, m

the problem is that those breaches (or simply ignoring of) regulations happens regularly - one of the reason why many people have concerns over any government project.

Cheers, m

^^ isn't that's what's the court suppose to do? ensure that the government follow the laws it created?

but then again, it's not like the courts are really that independent....

Ermm but then it is the Residential Association protesting not a few individuals here and there.

Most people here fear the value of their property will drop, security being compromised and encouraged more crimes, and the biggest issue is NOISE.

They also fear the soil erosion thingy and have little confidence in megaprojects like this. A simple hear-say in kopitiams can tell you most people here have little confidence in the federal government's plans.

Some think that the money should first be used to abolish tolls with the remaining funds used in busses (apparently there is very poor bus system here to begin with).

However, business owners in Damansara Uptown have various opinions. Some say it will ease the congestions here so that more people don't have to drive and park here, whilst others believe the area will be more congested than ever before due to influx of more workers.

Up till today, there is no convincing evidence that areas with LRT such as in Kelana Jaya and Taman Paramount have reduced congestions. In fact, the Kelana Jaya LRT has caused more traffic jams on LDP as people double-park (Malaysian style) across the LDP to pick up passengers and this causes a bottleneck.

^^ LRT pun always full during peak hour...

everwhere congested.

maybe MRT kat luar negara sana tu takda orang yang tingal kat laluannya.

Up till today, there is no convincing evidence that areas with LRT such as in Kelana Jaya and Taman Paramount have reduced congestions. In fact, the Kelana Jaya LRT has caused more traffic jams on LDP as people double-park (Malaysian style) across the LDP to pick up passengers and this causes a bottleneck.i've always said, anyone who believes that public transport will reduce congestion is either a fool or deluded

Public transport cannot reduce congestion. What it does is transfer some existing and most future trips from individualized, space-hogging private transport to collectivized, space-sharing public transport.

Because public transport has a greater capacity to move individuals, the future congestion is mitigated, but current congestion levels are not likely to decrease.

In other words, with the Kelana Jaya LRT we have not see congestion on the parallel Federal Highway corridor decrease. But, we did not have to build another Federal Highway (remember the proposal to build an elevated highway on top of the Federal Highway) because the extra trips are now being carried by the LRT.

Cheers, m

^^ LRT pun always full during peak hour...

everwhere congested.

maybe MRT kat luar negara sana tu takda orang yang tingal kat laluannya.

There is lack of consideration of designing stations that blends and effectively part of local surrounding and environment.

Sri Rampai is an example. Stations should not be built to the point like it is a big rock out of nowhere.

There are places where the station is near to that housing area, but accessing it as in walking from the housing area to the station is hard.

ape kata kite sekolahkan saje mereka yg xnk ni biar kesedaran diorg tinggi sikit..

LRT Sri Rampai jauh dari residential area orang kate salah plan..
MRT yang dok dekat residential area pon orang x setuju sebab bising..
Ape kejadah?

If we wait until everyone is satisfied, nothing will be done..

ape kata kite sekolahkan saje mereka yg xnk ni biar kesedaran diorg tinggi sikit..

Most people in Damansara area are PROFESSIONALS and CEOs.

I think they are not dumb or silly either.



Because public transport has a greater capacity to move individuals, the future congestion is mitigated, but current congestion levels are not likely to decrease.

Actually I was kinda disappointed that only about 11 out of 35 MRT stations will have proper park and ride facilities....




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MRT may cost over RM36.6bil
Monday January 17, 2011
By THEAN LEE CHENG
leecheng@thestar.com.my
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/17/business/7812063&sec=business


Lobbying has begun on locations and types of stations

PETALING JAYA: The cost of building the mass rapid transit (MRT) transport system, which is scheduled to begin construction in six months, may swell beyond the projected RM36.6bil as developers and residents have begun lobbying on the proposed locations and types of stations.

Business leaders want the MRT stations to be located close to the centre of commercial activity, in some cases where they have projects or plan to build one, but residents living near or adjacent to the proposed lines have voiced objection against the MRT tracks being built above ground and want the lines and stations to be underground so as to avoid congestion and noise pollution issues.

At the heart of the matter is the alignment of the MRT line, particularly where it should go, where it should stop, and lobbying have begun to have more than 9.5km of the first phase of the 60km Sg Buloh-Kajang line constructed underground.

The entire MRT line is estimated to run a total of 150km at a cost of RM36.6bil. Other lines will be added later. All these lines, together with the existing Star, LRT and Komuter rail will form part of the country's Urban Transport master plan.

At the session with business communities, developers who own shopping malls and commercial developments were lobbying for the line and station to be located at, or as close to their commercial properties as possible.

“We are willing to adopt' a station,” said a source from Uptown's See Hoy Chan Sdn Bhd over the telephone. The company is a different entity from See Hoy Chan Holdings Group which built Bandar Utama and the highly-popular 1 Utama mall. The owners of both companies are cousins.

Uptown's See Hoy Chan is planning to develop the second phase of what is already a densely populated commercial area in Damansara Utama popularly known as Damansara Uptown.

The company plans to build several blocks of offices and serviced apartments on 12 acres. That site is currently being used as a car park.

Damansara Uptown has a working population of about 30,000. Once the 12-acre commercial project is completed, the number will swell by 20,000 to 50,000.

Over in Kuala Lumpur, the Low Yat Group is lobbying for the line to be located close to its commercial properties in downtown shopping area Bukit Bintang, in the heart of the Golden Triangle of Kuala Lumpur.

But not all business communities share a common stance. Some fear commuters would use existing parking space at commercial and shopping complexes for using the MRT instead of going shopping.

See Hoy Chan Holdings would like to get in touch with resident associations in the PJ North area to lobby for the line to go underground from Kota Damansara to Bandar Utama station.

“The station can be located below Central Park in Bandar Utama if the line is constructed underground. That location can be turned into a transport hub to serve the vicinity,” said See Hoy Chan Holdings director Datuk Teo Chiang Kok.

“Most of the lines and stations in countries with MRT are located underground. The communities in Kota Damansara, along Persiaran Surian, Bandar Utama and neighbouring residential areas are already there. To build elevated lines over what is already a densely populated area would bring about negative impact on the entire area,” he said.

At the same dialogue, Sunway Damansara resident association representative Ngian Siew Siong appealed to Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) to have the line go underground in the Kota Damansara area. LPTC is planning for a station to be located at Dataran Sunway, a highly congested area during peak hours. Ngian is also Sunway City Bhd managing director (property development).

Contrary to LPTC's views that the MRT system will boost property values, Ngian said that “the visual impact and the noise level over Persiaran Surian and the vicinity will affect property value there.”

“The MRT line is massive and noisy.”

“The various communities are already in existent. Where will the park and ride facilities be located? Do not look at just the alignment, consider having the line underground and having integrated connectivity,” Ngian said. Under the proposed Sg Buloh-Kajang line, 20% of the 9.5km will be underground.

LPTC CEO Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal said the cost would be five to 10 times higher on a per km basis if the line were to go underground, depending on geological conditions.

See Hoy Chan's Teo Chiang Kok said the area comprised laterite and building an underground line will only cost three to four times more.

Earlier, explaining the Government's rationale to build the system, LPTC general manager Amiruddin Maaris said the MRT would have 50% more carrying capacity than the LRT line and will also be 50% wider. One car train carrying capacity is equivalent to three buses, or that of 177 cars.

“It will ease congestion,” he said.

The MRT system is expected to create 130,000 jobs and bring about a huge multiplier effect from its construction and operation. But the vision to bring out the flavour of KL metropolis, which to many, remains dormant because of the lack of public transport and connectivity, Amiruddin said.

Although tendering is expected to begin in April, the alignment can still be tweaked to accommodate the views of the public.

“This is just the proposed line. We will have other sessions to hear the public's views,” said Mohd Nur.

Said a public transport specialist: “Let us learn from the mistakes of the Light Rail Transit and the Star line.”

patchay, i dun said they tat kind of dumb...
i know most of them in TTDI are elites.
even they r professionals, it doesnt means there are not dumb.
most what they do now shows that they r dumb.
dumb to think bout others n care bout country moreover..
they r so selfish!!

Is the alignment line in the news used the ideas we proposed? look very similar

I'm in the majority group of TTDI residents who fully support the MRT plan to pass through TTDI.

I once walked from Tmn Bahagia LRT station to TTDI and it took me more than 1 hour (I just wanted to see how far is my house from the nearest LRT station by walking), and I dont ever want to repeat it again. That was insane.

Actually I was kinda disappointed that only about 11 out of 35 MRT stations will have proper park and ride facilities....


if they planned the system properly, you can rely on feeder buses to take u the stations,

so you can leave ur car at home, and the construction of park and ride is really unnecessary...

if they planned the system properly, you can rely on feeder buses to take u the stations,

so you can leave ur car at home, and the construction of park and ride is really unnecessary...

Do U think the majority of Msians will accept and adopt to this idea? I seriously doubt so... :ohno:

Aren't those TTDI residents the one that always complaining that LDP is already choking to death last time.

Don't think that they will leave their big cars at home and go to Pavilion or Gardens using trains & buses. Maybe all the resistance because deep inside they never consider themselves (or don't want) to be stakeholders in KL public transport in the first place ?

Correct, but they are really inconsiderate. I give you an alternative to make them teach them a lesson.

No TTDI Pass through station and create and extra at Uptown and call it Uptown South. It may not be a good idea but make them feel embarrassed by the MRT scenario and they will protest, but you decline so serves you right.:cheers:

Do U think the majority of Msians will accept and adopt to this idea? I seriously doubt so... :ohno:

i think that's the politicians and public transit designer's job: to sell the idea...

of course, it'd help if they make changing between modes as frictionless as possible....