Klang Valley Intergrated Mass Rapid Transit System [Archive] - Page 3

kl 2020 ideas

January 20th, 2011, 05:45 AM

I think the ideas are going to be pretty similar because there are a limited number of corridors that can be followed.

From Sg. Buloh you have Jalan Sg. Buloh, then Pers. Mahogani.

Then you have to decide to continue along Pers. Mahogani through Kota Damansara (which takes you close to the Carrefour and the Strand project) or follow Persiaran Surian (not much development there). If the line follows Mahogani-Surian the turn at Sunway Damansara has the potential to be noisy.

From Sunway Damansara to Bandar Utama, Pers. Surian is the only real choice. The question is whether it should be underground or above ground.

If tunneling does happen, then the parking lot north of 1Utama would be perfect for staging the tunnel boring machines.

If the station at Bandar Utama is underground, the MRT will be west of 1Utama and the portal would have to exit south of Sri Pentas. If the station is above ground, the MRT will be east of 1 Utama...and the golfers at the driving range will have a tempting target!

Either way, the MRT is most likely to follow Jalan Damansara to the Sprint Link.

But if See Hoy Chan Bhd (D'sara Uptown) and the developer of Tropicana and the Eastin Hotel want to pay for the added costs of the MRT to be routed through their areas (underground, probably) I don't think the residents of TTDI will be too unhappy. They will still have access to stations a short distance away.

Anyways, once the MRT gets onto the Sprint Link, it will probably be above ground until Pusat Bandar Damansara, then underground until Jalan Duta.

It looks like the MRT will not go through Bangsar and KL Sentral - instead it will probably follow Jalan Duta and MRRI to KL Railway station and Pasar Seni. I'm guessing the next portal will be at the Carcosa Seri Negara lands, and underground all the way to Cheras.

It would be good to run through the potential routes so SPAD can get some ideas (in case they are following this forum).

Cheers, m

Well, what you say is correct. 1 Utama definitely 100% have to be underground and take my words. If the BU-Curve section is elevated it means that the line will probably go towards Dataran Parking Area and probably aligned towards TTDI - Uptown. Should, greedy TTDI residents stage a protest, build a station around the under construction Glomac Damansara and Damansara Kim or Damansara Uptown then Tropicana.

Nextly, the line unfortunately has to be still underground towards Eastin then PBD via Kiara Interchange. Then the Government will then have a choice,

1) Go to Bangsar Village, Little India then KL Sentral
2) Like what you stated it above

Also as stated there, the underground line will go through all the way till Cheras via Pavillion, Phoenix Plaza, Cheras Leisure Mall etc...

Overall, as I stated here is that it is the opposite as 20% elevated and 80% underground. Then the price may doubled to at least RM50 billion on a line itself. It may be expensive but where you see in New York, Singapore and the Dubai Metro how do they afford it. They shall learn from Singapore to improve it.

Also, keep in mind that underground is no easy task as during tunneling and boeing and we do not want to see 1 Utama collapses just like the Nicoll Highway disaster. May be a good option but they shall use a proper safety guidelines if you want it to be underground.

razpatrol99

January 20th, 2011, 06:04 AM

allurban

January 20th, 2011, 06:29 AM

really hope that it will stop at KL sentral... if not than it is such a huge loss to the commuters. But not sure where the station shld be.. is there any empty land nearby?? seems that everything is full with development already..The latest KL draft plan and maps suggest that the line will go through Pusat Bandar Damansara and Jalan Duta, rather than Bangsar.

There is a possibility for a connection on the west side of KL Sentral but it would be unlikely.

The connection can also be made by running a monorail from Pusat Bandar Damansara - Bangsar - Brickfields - KL Sentral using Jalan Maarof and Jalan Tun Sambanthan.

Monorail is more suitable for Jalan Maarof anyways.

Cheers, m

t3ars_culprit

January 20th, 2011, 09:33 AM

Parking lot can be the open space or build a multi storey car park. But like I stated earlier whatever it is, build it underground. That way it won't burden them. Then again, they will park and it is hard to find a car park. Therefore, build a multi storey car park then integrate it to build the station underground. There everyone's happy.:cheers:

Perhaps, we dun nid the park and ride things.. buses, taxis, bicycles or mayb LRT and walking can help reduce in using private cars.. cheers :cheers:

rizalhakim

January 21st, 2011, 09:39 AM

rizalhakim

January 21st, 2011, 09:40 AM

MRT to serve 1.2 million people
By THEAN LEE CHENG
leecheng@thestar.com.my

It will have a daily ridership of 442,000 passengers

PETALING JAYA: The mass rapid transit (MRT) system will serve 1.2 million people with a daily ridership of 442,000, according to a source familiar with the project.

It will have 50% more carrying capacity than the current light rail transit (LRT), which has a capacity of about 30,000 passengers at present per hour per direction, although it is carrying about 35,000 people currently per hour per direction.

The MRT rail car would also be 50% wider with a frequency rate of every two minutes, she said.

Construction work on the MRT, one of Malaysia's largest infrastructure projects to date at a cost of RM36.6bil for civil works alone, without factoring in the cost of trains and land acquisition, is scheduled to begin by July this year on what is currently known as the Sg Buloh-Kajang line.

The source said the Sg Buloh-Kajang line was known as the optimum line because of the masses it would serve along the route.

The route would span Kota Damansara, Bandar Utama, Pusat Bandar Damansara, Kuala Lumpur's Golden Triangle area, Cheras and Kajang. Tenders for the project are expected to begin in April or May. There will be 35 stations, four of them interchanges, on this line.

The source said the sites for the stations were chosen based on several criteria, one of which was ridership.

Although the alignment and siting of the stations were provisional at this point in time, the source said this was based on several criteria.

“It must serve a densely populated area because it is expected to have a 442,000-person ridership,” she said.

“It must also be a commercial area and the station located in an area with dense population,” she added.

The source revealed that “the alignment should also pose minimal negative social and environmental impact on the people in the area.”

“This social environment impact includes noise and vibration, traffic congestion, land acquisition and excavated material management where tunnelling and underground works are needed.

“Other concerns include accident risks, visual impact and water and air pollution,” she added. The alignment and siting of the stations were also based on the need to have an even network coverage, taking into consideration the present LRT, monorail and Komuter rail lines.

The objective, she said, was to have the MRT “converge into the city” and complement the present LRT and monorail lines.

“It must be sustainable, in the event there is a need for expansion.

“Other considerations include connectivity, social impact and constructability,” the source said.

The route is still undergoing preliminary study at present.

It can be adjusted after taking into consideration factors such as the social impact cost, ticket sales and demographics.

neux

January 21st, 2011, 12:38 PM

"RM36.6bil for civil works alone, without factoring in the cost of trains and land acquisition"

Can somebody explain to me what does "civil works" mean? Sounds like a very expensive work.

idiamindada

January 21st, 2011, 03:41 PM

besi mahal bro...

bukhrin

January 21st, 2011, 05:18 PM

"RM36.6bil for civil works alone, without factoring in the cost of trains and land acquisition"

Can somebody explain to me what does "civil works" mean? Sounds like a very expensive work.

All the civil engineering kind of works, etc groundworks, viaducts, support pillars, tunneling, station constructions. All those towkay cement and besi for piling must be smiling of the good days to come. Oh mai.

t3ars_culprit

January 22nd, 2011, 08:30 AM

bukhrin

January 22nd, 2011, 10:13 AM

99% sure the line will get 440000 ridership daily??? :)

From Kajang - Cheras - the city center - Damansara - BU - KD ? Seems achievable.

TWK90

January 22nd, 2011, 10:20 AM

From Kajang - Cheras - the city center - Damansara - BU - KD ? Seems achievable.

Here is what i think...

- Not all commuters go to KL from the north, there are a number of commuters travel from north to PJ/Damansara (western outskirts of KL). Therefore, the presence of the MRT line will provide an alternative for commuters to travel from the north (Rawang etc.) to PJ, Damansara.

- Damansara is densely populated, as well as Cheras. Both are not currently served by rail. U82 can be very packed during peak hours (Bandar Utama-KL Sentral)

aim11086

January 22nd, 2011, 02:53 PM

Here is what i think...

- Not all commuters go to KL from the north, there are a number of commuters travel from north to PJ/Damansara (western outskirts of KL). Therefore, the presence of the MRT line will provide an alternative for commuters to travel from the north (Rawang etc.) to PJ, Damansara.

- Damansara is densely populated, as well as Cheras. Both are not currently served by rail. U82 can be very packed during peak hours (Bandar Utama-KL Sentral)

i'm 100% agree!!
MRT project sure can be success...!!

Jambol

January 22nd, 2011, 03:34 PM

I am terriblly skeptical.

We do not get the complete picture of what exactly is happening.

Everything seems to be under study. For example, we don't have much details of the project, ie how many carriage each MRT train has, the exact route, the amount needed for land acquisition, etc, but we know how many people it will ferry both directions. We also know how much the indicative civil works will be- abt RM37b. And works will start in July.

It gives me the feeling that the authorities wants to rush this project out without having the impt details done up.

Just imagine, the number of carriages the MRT system has, impacts the size of the stations, and hence the costing needed for the civil works. That will also give an indication of how much the trains may cost, depending on which systems the MRT wants to have.

If the exact route cannot be determined now (impacted by land acquistion), the alignment of the tunnels cannot be ascertained, the relocation of the services under the roads along the route cannot be ascertained, etc etc. Then why the need to start so soon?

tbc

January 23rd, 2011, 12:17 AM

Then why the need to start so soon?

The nation need to choose either to retain incumbent leader or bring in a new one quite soon. We the masses need to be suitably roused towards good deeds undertaken for our well being - the bigger the budget, the better the impact
Oh, there is also matter of disbursing that rm37B :lol:

kl 2020 ideas

January 23rd, 2011, 11:54 AM

99% sure the line will get 440000 ridership daily??? :)

It will. It is all connected to the most important points of Klang Valley. Anything is achievable.

kl 2020 ideas

January 23rd, 2011, 11:59 AM

mostly yg byk komplain taknak bising mesti chinese kan... chinese ni byk komplain skit... penting kan diri sendiri jek... taknak considerate langsung... sama gak bila drive kat atas jalanraya, tgk la bangsa apa yg selalu pentingkan diri sendiri dan asyik nak cepat je...

:wtf:Yeah, someone complain and report about him for racism and harsh criticism. Racist, Chinese do not complain okay. Those TTDI residents did and yet you tak pernah bising about them nor protest or debate.:bash::bash: Sekali lagi, jangan cakap tentang hal bangsa.:bash::bash: Kita 1 Malaysia.:soapbox::soapbox: You adalah seorang yang sangat 'racist' who cakap tentang bangsa Cina. You are always like that right? YOU DO NOT HAVE A SENSE OFHUMOUR:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

kl 2020 ideas

January 23rd, 2011, 12:04 PM

Oops, did I overreact. Ignore about that, back to our topic. Even you see New York's metro is like 2 million++ ridership daily and it is good. Here is an article from The Star's Biz Week.

Saturday January 22, 2011

Can the MRT address the long-term transport problem?
HOUSING AND INVESTMENTS By THEAN LEE CHENG

MUCH will be said and written about the mass rapid transit (MRT) in the next several months with construction expected to begin in July this year. Some will be for it, others will be against it.

At RM36.6bil, the public transport system will be one of the country's largest infrastructure projects. But this figure is for the civil works only. The prices of the trains and land acquisition have yet to be factored in. So the figure will certainly swell.

The building of this new MRT line as opposed to the current monorail and light rail transit must be seen from the perspective of what we know today as our public transport system.

When the monorail and LRT were built in the mid-1990s, Klang Valley has a population of about 3 million. Today, we have a population of 6.6 million. By 2020, it is estimated to be 8 million.

Why not have more cars fitted to the two-car system?
While we were building our monorail and LRT in the mid-1990s, Singapore was extending their MRT system with the first portion of the line ready for service in the late 1980s. Despite a population of just over 3 million in 1990, they opted for the MRT in the 1980s, and not the LRT, monorail or whatever. Today, Singapore's MRT is serving a population of more than 5 million people and that network is constantly being extended.

Over in the Klang Valley, we were building two systems, the monorail and the LRT line. At that time, questions arose why we needed two systems and fragmentise public transport further. Why not have just one system? This question was never answered. The two systems lack integration. To use the monorail, one has to get off and get out of the LRT station, and walk some distance to get on the monorail line, for example between Dang Wangi and Bukit Nenas station.

The people who designed, planned and built the LRT and monorail also did not factor in park-and-ride facilities. They just built a station where they can, put in a line and expect everyone to walk there in the sun and rain.

The result is that today, there are cars parked under the electric lines which electrify the LRT and there is a charge to this. So, in addition to spending about RM5 on a return ticket, there is the RM5 parking charge.

If one has to fork out RM10 to use the LRT or the monorail and yet at the same time, having to bear with the inconvenience, they may as well spend a bit more to have the convenience of driving to the city. That explains our low ridership. For every one ticket we sell, Singapore sells nine, London 16 and Tokyo 48.

All of us know there is a cost to infrastructure. Whether it is road network, bandwidth or public transportation system, it is a sunk cost. As with most public infrastructure projects, there is no profit to be made from it.

So the thing for the Government to do is to consider it as an investment for future years, for future generations. London's underground is about 150 years old. It was the first underground railway system in the world. Today, it serves the Greater London population of more than 7 million, which is about equivalent to Klang Valley's population. Greater London did not have a population of nearly 8 million some 150 years ago, yet they opted to build the underground. Closer home, Singapore did not have a population of 5 million 25 years ago.

When and if we build this MRT, it will not be for the next 30 or 40 years. It is for posterity. In that sense, it need not be wasteful.

But there is a need to be focused here. Do we want to sell more made in Malaysia cars to Malaysians or do we want to improve public transport? It is not possible to have both.

One may ask, why not have more cars fitted to the present two-car LRT system? The LRT started with a two-car system. It can be fitted to a maximum of four cars. The LRT platform is designed to fit only four. The LRT has a carrying capacity of about 30,000 per hour per direction for a two-car system. So there is a cap to capacity. The MRT has 50% more carrying capacity and the car is 50% wider.

What is wasteful is spending money on piecemeal solutions the LRT and monorail, for example to solve a eternal question that hovers around population growth and the need for public transport.

What is wasteful is having two MRT stations just 400m apart from each other.

What is wasteful is building the MRT, while ignoring and not improving the bus, taxi and Komuter system.

l Assistant news editor Thean Lee Cheng thinks there is a need to think very long term when investing in infrastructure projects.

tbc

January 23rd, 2011, 01:53 PM

Over in the Klang Valley, we were building two systems, the monorail and the LRT line. At that time, questions arose why we needed two systems and fragmentise public transport further. Why not have just one system? This question was never answered. The two systems lack integration. To use the monorail, one has to get off and get out of the LRT station, and walk some distance to get on the monorail line, .....
Well said ! :)
As an 'outsider' I was totally baffled by need to exit at one station above ground, make my way underground to another station, purchase another ticket and wait for the next train - when the brochure indicated a station interchange (LRT)
Similarly bewildering is the need to alight from monorail station, exit station and walk across a vacant piece of land before touching base with KL Sentral, supposedly THE hub of all hubs for transportation needs in KL :lol:
Now with upcoming MRT, it will be massively interesting to see if this 'connectivity' issue is being addressed at all :)

bukhrin

January 23rd, 2011, 03:07 PM

There's nothing to be baffled about when it comes to bad (or no) planning.

The fact is that everybody knows that the earlier LRT systems are just fast-tracked showcase pieces for the 1998 Commonwealth Games. And in a sense that is what it has achieved. Build a rail line on KTMB's right of way, with stations having bare minimum facilities, connecting the then KL transport hub (puduraya) to the Games villages at Bukit Jalil.

As for the PUTRA line, seems that RENONG was in a similar position as MMC-GAMUDA right now. Only that back then, there's not really much freedom for the people to really say much about anything.

idiamindada

January 23rd, 2011, 04:35 PM

i heard Ipoh-Padang Besar punya double track project which involves 400,000 tonnes of stell pun still cost RM1 billion. how come this MRT is so expensive?

Jambol

January 23rd, 2011, 06:01 PM

nideru_90

January 23rd, 2011, 06:19 PM

i heard Ipoh-Padang Besar punya double track project which involves 400,000 tonnes of stell pun still cost RM1 billion. how come this MRT is so expensive?

I think that this involve the track,station,tunneling and also underground commercial area..
and the RM36 billion is for 150 km right? not only the sungai buloh-kajang line

nideru_90

January 23rd, 2011, 06:34 PM

That was history.
But seems history is repeating, where the MRT seems ill-prepared and details not finalised.
If so, I really do not understand the great excitement....

if the gomen want to do the mrt or lrt u said that the history is repeating,then when the history is not repeating??
I'm pretty sure that after over 10 years of 'quietness' they have learned all those mistakes...that's why they will intimidate from hong kong MTR...

allurban

January 23rd, 2011, 08:14 PM

tunomura

January 23rd, 2011, 10:04 PM

Government Approves Mass Rapid Transit Project
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Last Updated : Friday, 21 January 2011 12:09

The Cabinet at its weekly meeting yesterday approved the implementation of a mass rapid transit (MRT) system for Kuala Lumpur.

The MRT project, which will be the largest infrastructure project in Malaysia, is one of the economic entry points (EPP) identified in the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley National Key Economic Area under the Government’s Economic Transformation Programme.

The MRT will improve the public transport modal split from the 12% in 2009 to 50% by 2020 with rail transport carrying 50% of public transport trips. This improved mobility will enable the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley conurbation to be transformed into an attractive place for investment and talent.

The MRT project will create 130,000 jobs during its construction. The project is expected to generate gross national income (GNI) of between RM3 billion and RM4 billion per annum from 2011 to 2020 from direct construction and operations, and between RM8 billion and RM12 billion in spillovers resulting from the multiplier impact from the construction. A total of RM21 billion per annum in incremental GNI impact will be generated in 2020 in appreciation of property value and unleashing of productivity of workers.

Construction work for the project is expected to begin in July 2011and will take about six years to complete.
The first MRT line will run between Sungai Buloh and Kajang through the centre of Kuala Lumpur. The length of the line is about 60km and has 35 stations. There will be integration stations where the MRT intersects with the KTM Komuter, Kelana Jaya light rail transit (LRT) line and the Ampang LRT line.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT line will serve a catchment area of about 1.2 million people. The line will serve densely populated areas like Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, Bandar Utama, Taman Tun Dr Ismail, Bukit Damansara, Cheras, Bandar Tun Hussein Onn and Balakong. The daily ridership of the line is expected to be over 400,000 passengers.

The exact alignment of the MRT line and location of stations have not yet been determined as these are subject to value management studies so that the optimum value in terms of ridership and in realising the full value of the land around the stations can be achieved. The exact cost of the project will be determined after the studies are conducted.

The government picked the Sungai Buloh-Kajang line to start the MRT project as this corridor is currently not adequately served by rail-based public transport.

Furthermore, the viability of this line has been studied in depth as was proposed by Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad in 2006, and recently by MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd.

The Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is the first phase of the Klang Valley’s MRT network. Future lines have been proposed and are being studied as part of the Urban Public Transport Master Plan (I want to know this) being drawn up by the Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Awam Darat. Construction of these future lines will be carried out in phases.

The Cabinet today also decided that Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad, a fully owned subsidiary of the Ministry of Finance Inc, to be the infrastructure owner of the project, while the Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Awam Darat (Land Public Transport Commission) will be the supervising authority for this project.

The Cabinet also decided that MMC-Gamuda Joint Venture Sdn Bhd be appointed the project delivery partner (PDP) for the MRT project. The appointment is based on the financial standing of the two public listed companies which make up the joint venture and their strong track records and experience in the field of construction and in undertaking huge and complex rail and tunneling projects.

The PDP plays the role of a project manager but with the added responsibility of having to deliver the project within an agreed time and cost. Any cost overrun and delays in project completion which are basic common risks in projects will be borne by the PDP.

The PDP is not a turn-key contractor and the project will be divided up into work packages which will be awarded individually through open tender. The government will make the final decision on the awarding of contracts.

The PDP will not be allowed to tender for any of the work packages except for tunneling works. The government felt that an exception should be made as the PDP is the only local construction company that has experience in major tunneling works such as in the SMART Tunnel project in Kuala Lumpur, and the Kaohsiung MRT project in Taiwan. Nevertheless, the PDP will still have to compete for the work package with other companies and the award will be given on the basis of merit.

Issued by:
Land Public Transport Commission, 18 Dec 2010

abdullahabin

January 24th, 2011, 07:15 AM

MRT is a great idea, but i foresee two major issues associated with it in KL

1) The lack of feeder routes. The success of the MRT as a people carrier will rely solely on the accessibility to the stations and routes by wither private transport of public transport. Numerous issues here.

2) Maintenance and cleanliness. I for one would never ride on a filthy train or bus. In Singapore, the offense for eating or drinking on board is around a S$1000 fine (RM 2250). The fine is similar in Hong Kong. Will Malaysians accept that food or drink can not be consumed on board, or that litter must be left on the train. The department in charge of enforcement must be very strict in upholding the standards.

bukhrin

January 24th, 2011, 09:06 AM

2) Maintenance and cleanliness. I for one would never ride on a filthy train or bus. In Singapore, the offense for eating or drinking on board is around a S$1000 fine (RM 2250). The fine is similar in Hong Kong. Will Malaysians accept that food or drink can not be consumed on board, or that litter must be left on the train. The department in charge of enforcement must be very strict in upholding the standards.

I'm sorry, is filthiness a problem with our trains & buses today ? Would appreciate it if other daily commuters here would share their stories about our filthy trains and buses. Just curious.

dengilo

January 24th, 2011, 09:26 AM

kl 2020 ideas

January 24th, 2011, 09:52 AM

bukhrin

January 24th, 2011, 12:47 PM

How about the whole bus smells of kaka@popo when one of the pax decided to let go a bomb in the lav when they not suppose to!!!:nuts:This is one of those exclusive bus!!!It just proves a point that these people are fully aware that they are not to do it and yet it happens:ohno:

But wasn't that the whole point of having a lav in the bus, was it :D ? As they say, when you have to go, you have to go. One of those awkward moments in life. :banana:

bukhrin

January 24th, 2011, 12:55 PM

Well, 400m is not a problem after all. Even some stations i.e. World Trade Centre - Cortlandt Street in New York and the City Hall - Bras Basah in Singapore is mere a stone's throw distance. What is wrong about that? It is proven that the system will really work if it works. All we need is a better integration between LRT, Commuter Rails and the Monorail.

Leicester Sq & Covent Garden are only 200-ish metres apart.

And if I dare say, those KL monorails stations between BB & Hang Tuah are quite close together yet you can see the high-throughput of passengers at these stations. Sometimes I wonder if all these real estate pundits writing columns in the newspaper ever take public transport at all (in KL I mean).

TWK90

January 24th, 2011, 01:03 PM

Leicester Sq & Covent Garden are only 200-ish metres apart.

And if I dare say, those KL monorails stations between BB & Hang Tuah are quite close together yet you can see the high-throughput of passengers at these stations. Sometimes I wonder if all these real estate pundits writing columns in the newspaper ever take public transport at all (in KL I mean).

Imbi station and Bukit Bintang station are closeby, but both has high number of passengers.

Clarke Quay and Chinatown stations on North East line (Singapore), only about 360 metres apart.

I agree with your observation. The placing of stations really depends on the locality itself.

allurban

January 24th, 2011, 05:21 PM

Leicester Sq & Covent Garden are only 200-ish metres apart.

And if I dare say, those KL monorails stations between BB & Hang Tuah are quite close together yet you can see the high-throughput of passengers at these stations. Sometimes I wonder if all these real estate pundits writing columns in the newspaper ever take public transport at all (in KL I mean).As I said, it's quite possible that this person is not using the LRT otherwise they would know about the 4carriage trains by now.

On the other hand, perhaps the question is why not make all trains on the Kelana Jaya line 4carriage....

Cheers, m

Xenerec

January 26th, 2011, 04:35 AM

$jimbo$

January 26th, 2011, 04:42 AM

TWK90

January 26th, 2011, 05:27 AM

The key to solving KL transport problems is buses and parking control in the CBD. Australian cities have managed to do this very well using this. There is no need to spend billions. Just use the brain a bit (which obviously our govt lacks or dont want to)

Australian cities layout are different from Klang Valley.

Klang Valley suburbs have comparatively higher density than Australian cities. I have been to Melbourne before and the suburbs has lower density than those of Damansara and Cheras.

To serve as an example, Melbourne population density is 1566/km², while Kuala Lumpur population is around 6696/km², Petaling Jaya population is around 4 917/km². Population growth of KL and Selangor is higher than Australian cities, in terms of percentage.

Improved bus will definitely help, but bus has capacity limitations and the routes that the MRT going to serve definitely has high passenger ridership, judging from current bus routes that serve roughly similar routes as the proposed MRT line will do.

1. U88 Kota Damansara-Pasar Seni (equivalent first MRT line alignment does run along Persiaran Surian).

2. U82 1 Utama - KLSentral, the equivalent MRT alignment will pass through TTDI (or Uptown as some are lobbying it), Eastin and Pusat Bandar Damansara, and since i took U82 a number of times during weekdays, it can be very packed, thus it is fair to say that there is sufficient high number of passengers along this route to require rail to augment the capacity

3. U40 It should be one of the busiest, judging the fact that RapidKL introduced women only bus during peak hours on the 17th of January, the equivalent MRT alignment is from Pasar Seni to Kajang (both Pasar Seni and Kajang are part of future MRT stops)

Hence, when talking about the catchment area and existing bus routes (for example, the U82 which i took), there is definite need of having MRT at these routes because of the fact that these routes which the proposed first MRT line going to serve, already has high ridership, judging from current bus services.

From these observations, the first MRT line is definitely needed.

The proposed travel time on Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT is about 1 hour 20 minutes.

From my personal experience, during peak hour, U82 took about 90 minutes or even closer to 2 hours between 1 Utama and KL Sentral. The first MRT line is going to help a lot in improving the quality and capacity of these routes.

One would be able to travel between Sungai Buloh, Kota Damansara, Damansara area, Kuala Lumpur centre, Cheras and Kajang within much shorter time compared to bus, and at the same time, with much higher capacity than current bus routes plying the same route.

Therefore, from these observation, MRT is much needed.

allurban

January 26th, 2011, 06:42 AM

Have any feasibility studies been done on the MRT?

I think it is just too expensive and certainly overkill for the problems at hand. I read it wants to get 40% people on the train. This is a ridiculous numbers to say the least. In densely populated Singapore with their wide mrt networks (and car control), they only manage to get 35% to take trains which is still less than people going by cars.

The key to solving KL transport problems is buses and parking control in the CBD. Australian cities have managed to do this very well using this. There is no need to spend billions. Just use the brain a bit (which obviously our govt lacks or dont want to)The feasibility study is currently under way and should be completed by the end of 2011.

However, the government has decided to go with the Sg. Buloh - Kajang line because it looks good on paper (completes the 'x' in our public transport network) and because almost everyone likes it (a similar line shows up in every public transport proposal for the klang valley (http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/))

Our big problem is lack of density to support the MRT - which means we will still need the BRT networks and interconnected LRT and trams and monorails in the future ... assuming we can afford all that without bankrupting the country or denying public transport improvements to other cities.

Half of Singapore's public transport trips are made by bus and slightly less than half by MRT/LRT (not including taxis here).

Cheers, m

allurban

January 26th, 2011, 06:51 AM

Australian cities layout are different from Klang Valley.

Klang Valley suburbs have comparatively higher density than Australian cities. I have been to Melbourne before and the suburbs has lower density than those of Damansara and Cheras.

To serve as an example, Melbourne population density is 1566/km², while Kuala Lumpur population is around 6696/km², Petaling Jaya population is around 4 917/km². Population growth of KL and Selangor is higher than Australian cities, in terms of percentage.

Improved bus will definitely help, but bus has capacity limitations and the routes that the MRT going to serve definitely has high passenger ridership, judging from current bus routes that serve roughly similar routes as the proposed MRT line will do.

1. U88 Kota Damansara-Pasar Seni (equivalent first MRT line alignment does run along Persiaran Surian).

2. U82 1 Utama - KLSentral, the equivalent MRT alignment will pass through TTDI (or Uptown as some are lobbying it), Eastin and Pusat Bandar Damansara, and since i took U82 a number of times during weekdays, it can be very packed, thus it is fair to say that there is sufficient high number of passengers along this route to require rail to augment the capacity

3. U40 It should be one of the busiest, judging the fact that RapidKL introduced women only bus during peak hours on the 17th of January, the equivalent MRT alignment is from Pasar Seni to Kajang (both Pasar Seni and Kajang are part of future MRT stops)Those are good observations and I agree with them but at the same time, it is wrong to commit RM36+ billion on observations alone.

At the very least, we should know what the carrying capacity and daily demand are for each of those routes, and factor in the number of people who would be willing to switch to public transport.

Remember, a bus stuck in traffic can move very few people. The major constraint here is not the capacity of the bus but the capacity of the right of way and frequency of service.

For example, a bus every 20 minutes is 70 x 3 = 210 passengers per hour per direction.

But if you have buses every 10 minutes, the number is 70 x 6 = 420 passenger per hour per direction.

And if you can get to BRT frequency and speed, the number is even higher, say every 4 minutes, the number is 70 x 15 = 1050 passengers per hour per direction.

And if we move into larger buses, say with capacity of 120 passengers, well, you can do the math.

MRT is 35,000 passengers per hour per direction (to start). It will take years to build up that level of demand but it will take 7 years to finish the MRT.

So that is why we have to improve the bus system today and plan and build the MRT for tomorrow. We have 7 years to build public transport demand to levels that will help an MRT come closer to paying for itself.

Cheers, m

TWK90

January 26th, 2011, 07:16 AM

Those are good observations and I agree with them but at the same time, it is wrong to commit RM36+ billion on observations alone.

At the very least, we should know what the carrying capacity and daily demand are for each of those routes, and factor in the number of people who would be willing to switch to public transport.

Remember, a bus stuck in traffic can move very few people. The major constraint here is not the capacity of the bus but the capacity of the right of way and frequency of service.

For example, a bus every 20 minutes is 70 x 3 = 210 passengers per hour per direction.

But if you have buses every 10 minutes, the number is 70 x 6 = 420 passenger per hour per direction.

And if you can get to BRT frequency and speed, the number is even higher, say every 4 minutes, the number is 70 x 15 = 1050 passengers per hour per direction.

And if we move into larger buses, say with capacity of 120 passengers, well, you can do the math.

MRT is 35,000 passengers per hour per direction (to start). It will take years to build up that level of demand but it will take 7 years to finish the MRT.

So that is why we have to improve the bus system today and plan and build the MRT for tomorrow. We have 7 years to build public transport demand to levels that will help an MRT come closer to paying for itself.

Cheers, m

I agree with your opinion that there is a need to improve public transport, especially bus in the short term while we are waiting for the MRT.

After all, 5 to 6 years is a long enough to convert more people to use public transport instead of driving and like you said, as a gauge to see the actual daily demand of particular routes when it operates in dedicated ROW. Improved bus service will create a first hand impression of how good, reliable public transport improves the situation and again, builds up the actual demand in run up to the introduction of the MRT.

However, i think, the only corridor that can be used to build BRT, in my opinion is major roads, in this case, expressways + major thoroughfares.

Xenerec

January 26th, 2011, 07:51 AM

Australian cities layout are different from Klang Valley.

Klang Valley suburbs have comparatively higher density than Australian cities. I have been to Melbourne before and the suburbs has lower density than those of Damansara and Cheras.

To serve as an example, Melbourne population density is 1566/km², while Kuala Lumpur population is around 6696/km², Petaling Jaya population is around 4 917/km². Population growth of KL and Selangor is higher than Australian cities, in terms of percentage.

Improved bus will definitely help, but bus has capacity limitations and the routes that the MRT going to serve definitely has high passenger ridership, judging from current bus routes that serve roughly similar routes as the proposed MRT line will do.

capacity than current bus routes plying the same route.

Therefore, from these observation, MRT is much needed.

The population density you specified is really high (at Singapore density). I dont think you get such density along the entire MRT network. So maybe cheaper alternatives maybe feasible like ground-based rail network or high capacity buses.

The feasibility study is currently under way and should be completed by the end of 2011.

However, the government has decided to go with the Sg. Buloh - Kajang line because it looks good on paper (completes the 'x' in our public transport network) and because almost everyone likes it (a similar line shows up in every public transport proposal for the klang valley (http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/))

Our big problem is lack of density to support the MRT - which means we will still need the BRT networks and interconnected LRT and trams and monorails in the future ... assuming we can afford all that without bankrupting the country or denying public transport improvements to other cities.

Half of Singapore's public transport trips are made by bus and slightly less than half by MRT/LRT (not including taxis here).

Cheers, m

I found this MRT trips stat for S'pore.
Percentage ridership Stat (http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/doc/Statistics%20in%20Brief%202009.pdf)

You can see that, eventhough MRT ridership in Singapore is on the increase but the major mode is still by car (whether taxi or private) and buses. What I am saying is that it is going to be difficult to pull people away from their car. We are spending RM36b on something (imo, based on ego-trip) which may not solve the problems.

It is not as simple as throwing in an MRT line somewhere in isolation and the problems are solved. Transport itself is a complicated issue and involve not just the infrastructures but also social/demographics considerations. I dont think the govt has studied this in details.

Have we really try cheaper alternatives which may get the same results? In most major cities in the world, buses play the most important role in moving people. Have KL really try this yet? No. If we somehow try to free some the roads for buses to move freely or have more express buses on major routes from suburbs to urban centres or use higher capacity bus?

I would agree to some sort of rail systems linking high population areas but this has to be studied in details. It is wrong to think that throwing a station in a high density area (condos/apartment) will mean more people will switch to MRT. For example, if there are still have cheap parking at the destinations people may still drive for the convenient. So first you have to control the car first before the MRT can become effective. Take Singapore as an example. You think the MRT ridership S'pore will increase if the Govt there did not make it pain to use the car in peak hours (like ERP or expensive/limited parking spaces)?

Have all this factors been studied by KL for the MRT? I have not seen any reports (or at least no publicly released reports)

$jimbo$

January 26th, 2011, 08:08 AM

daeng_jal

January 26th, 2011, 09:17 AM

are u sure bout the 30 sq km?????:)

$jimbo$

January 26th, 2011, 09:19 AM

are u sure bout the 30 sq km?????:)

LOL Not really sure actually... just my own guesstimate :) :nuts:

dengilo

January 26th, 2011, 09:42 AM

700 sq km if not more?Perhaps

Xenerec

January 26th, 2011, 09:47 AM

Singapore is a tiny island of 30 square kilometer with population of appx 5.5million, and of coz, it is a highly density place to live. And MRT/LRT will certainly justify with the high riderships.

KL/KV is somehow different geographically. But we must somehow get it started and hopefully along the line, the ridership will improve along with other critical issues.

But I agree that it's quite tough to change the mindset of drivers in the KL/KV area to ditch their cars and ride MRT/LRT for work and play.

I disagree. We don't just "somehow get it started" on such expensive projects using public funds and hope that "if you build it people will use it".

What is the economic value? Is it justified? What about alternatives? What is it try to solve? Traffic jams? There is no direct relation that says a MRT line can solve "car-based" congestions.

btw: Singapore is 700+ sq km in size.

$jimbo$

January 26th, 2011, 09:51 AM

teckkang

January 26th, 2011, 10:30 AM

The population density you specified is really high (at Singapore density). I dont think you get such density along the entire MRT network. So maybe cheaper alternatives maybe feasible like ground-based rail network or high capacity buses.

mind you, we are talking about 7.2 million ppl conurbation here, maybe lower because that includes klang and shah alam but still it will be around 6 million. We are not talking about 1 million population city like Penang.

Highest capacity bus that normal roads can support is just double decker or articulated bus, and its capacity is so so only. Plus the condition of the road and traffic jam. Do you think people will use bus if the bus is revamped completely to world standard but with all the traffic lights on the road, and do you think people will ultimately give up their cars to bus given these conditions?

we need a fast and reliable mode of transport to mobilise the population, not get stuck in traffic jam all the time. Bus is definitely a no for ever growing KV conurbation to get from one end to another, and KV is not small. Ground-based rail network, is quite impossible with all the built city fabric, unless it is elevated, which makes no difference with MRT.

daeng_jal

January 26th, 2011, 10:39 AM

curita in brazil with 6mil population with a metro the size of selangor..with a huge population that are dependent on PT,utilizes BRT..which is a bus:)

teckkang

January 26th, 2011, 10:45 AM

I disagree. We don't just "somehow get it started" on such expensive projects using public funds and hope that "if you build it people will use it".

What is the economic value? Is it justified? What about alternatives? What is it try to solve? Traffic jams? There is no direct relation that says a MRT line can solve "car-based" congestions.

btw: Singapore is 700+ sq km in size.

It is not directly clear that it will solve traffic congestion in the short term, but we need to invest on such infrastructures for the future of a growing city like KV.

I believe KV people use cars because there is no other reliable mode of transport. Buses always get delayed because of the traffic conditions. Perhaps the city should have a poll for all citizens whether they prefer MRT or bus, and deliberately rules out cars, because car is definitely not viable in the future for KV. After a comprehensive MRT is built, then the government can start to impose ERP or higher car park rate. We cannot stick to the old ways of building more highways for cars, or do nothing at all, KV is not a small city anymore, to grow is to change, and i think MRT will be the greatest change in KV in the history.

teckkang

January 26th, 2011, 10:50 AM

curita in brazil with 6mil population with a metro the size of selangor..with a huge population that are dependent on PT,utilizes BRT..which is a bus:)

but wikipedia says otherwise, the population is just slight over 3million.

TWK90

January 26th, 2011, 11:16 AM

curita in brazil with 6mil population with a metro the size of selangor..with a huge population that are dependent on PT,utilizes BRT..which is a bus:)

The population of Curitiba is around 3 million.

The success and recognition of Curitiba as sustainable city is due to the fact that their development is based on 1966 master plan which places public transport in the form of bus rapid transit and increasing pedestrianisation in the city.

The then mayor of Curitiba, Jaime Lerner started the process in 1971.

The same is not applied or applicable in KL. And of course, KL or Klang Valley in general is more densely populated and still recording high population growth.

One thing i do think and agree is that, in the run up of MRT introduction, there should be an interim solution, by having improved, reliable bus service. There is no way a person can wait for years, for a better public transport.

This opinion suggests it.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/18/focus/7819740&sec=focus

bukhrin

January 26th, 2011, 11:35 AM

KV people have this car-love-culture thingy like the Americans. Very hard to change. Waiting for feeder bus to the train station ? that's a big no no, they want it just close by, but not really near their homes. They say they want to take PT to work, but if they have to change trains ? that's a big no no too.

It's just layers of excuses. Even if the MRT lines are built, I bet these people would still drive.

As teckkang pointed out, the only way is to make them pay through their nose if they want to drive into the city.

Xenerec

January 26th, 2011, 12:26 PM

OK. So what is the solution to east the traffic congestion in the KL/KV area? Bus? That is quite pathetic, based on the local standard... :ohno:

You hit the nail there. Why is there no concerted effort to improve the bus service?

mind you, we are talking about 7.2 million ppl conurbation here, maybe lower because that includes klang and shah alam but still it will be around 6 million. We are not talking about 1 million population city like Penang.

But KV itself is something like 3x the size of Singapore with slightly more people.

Highest capacity bus that normal roads can support is just double decker or articulated bus, and its capacity is so so only. Plus the condition of the road and traffic jam. Do you think people will use bus if the bus is revamped completely to world standard but with all the traffic lights on the road, and do you think people will ultimately give up their cars to bus given these conditions?

Do you think people will give up their cars for MRT?? Don't forget with the predominantly lower density residential type you still need bus feeder. Sometimes point to point express bus can get you to destination faster than MRT+feeder. Look at the efficient HK bus service.

we need a fast and reliable mode of transport to mobilise the population, not get stuck in traffic jam all the time. Bus is definitely a no for ever growing KV conurbation to get from one end to another, and KV is not small. Ground-based rail network, is quite impossible with all the built city fabric, unless it is elevated, which makes no difference with MRT.

I think MRT is gonna cost much more than an LRT system even if it is elevated. The nature of KL population centres are like satellites to the city centre. Building MRT that connects these satellites with huge expanse of lower density areas along the route is not cost efficient.

KV has the highest car/person in SEA. It is like LA. Car is too entrenched. Our road networks are pretty good. I think a high capacity trunk bus services (between the population centres via expressway) with frequent intervals can work as well. But of course the first thing that needs to be done is to get the cars to make way for buses. A CBD type toll (like S'pore or London) or peak restriction on CBD car parks can achieve this. The main ingredient is reliability which our bus service is not at the moment. Why govt want to spend billions on MRT when other modes have not been fully explored?

teckkang

January 26th, 2011, 01:13 PM

You hit the nail there. Why is there no concerted effort to improve the bus service?

But KV itself is something like 3x the size of Singapore with slightly more people.

Do you think people will give up their cars for MRT?? Don't forget with the predominantly lower density residential type you still need bus feeder. Sometimes point to point express bus can get you to destination faster than MRT+feeder. Look at the efficient HK bus service.

I think MRT is gonna cost much more than an LRT system even if it is elevated. The nature of KL population centres are like satellites to the city centre. Building MRT that connects these satellites with huge expanse of lower density areas along the route is not cost efficient.

KV has the highest car/person in SEA. It is like LA. Car is too entrenched. Our road networks are pretty good. I think a high capacity trunk bus services (between the population centres via expressway) with frequent intervals can work as well. But of course the first thing that needs to be done is to get the cars to make way for buses. A CBD type toll (like S'pore or London) or peak restriction on CBD car parks can achieve this. The main ingredient is reliability which our bus service is not at the moment. Why govt want to spend billions on MRT when other modes have not been fully explored?

i think both modes of transport should complement each other. Bus is good for short distances, and it can be used as feeder service to the MRT to more remote areas. Even if KV has long distance BRT, but in order to tap into the high density area, it still needs to go through the same level with cars and traffic lights. MRT or rail-based transport are far more efficient. I really doubt bus services will work well to cover the whole KV. Even if it works, it will succeed only to a certain extent and to certain areas only. That is why i think both modes of transport should go hand in hand.

razpatrol99

January 26th, 2011, 03:01 PM

The population density you specified is really high (at Singapore density). I dont think you get such density along the entire MRT network. So maybe cheaper alternatives maybe feasible like ground-based rail network or high capacity buses.

I found this MRT trips stat for S'pore.
Percentage ridership Stat (http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/doc/Statistics%20in%20Brief%202009.pdf)

You can see that, eventhough MRT ridership in Singapore is on the increase but the major mode is still by car (whether taxi or private) and buses. What I am saying is that it is going to be difficult to pull people away from their car. We are spending RM36b on something (imo, based on ego-trip) which may not solve the problems.

It is not as simple as throwing in an MRT line somewhere in isolation and the problems are solved. Transport itself is a complicated issue and involve not just the infrastructures but also social/demographics considerations. I dont think the govt has studied this in details.

Have we really try cheaper alternatives which may get the same results? In most major cities in the world, buses play the most important role in moving people. Have KL really try this yet? No. If we somehow try to free some the roads for buses to move freely or have more express buses on major routes from suburbs to urban centres or use higher capacity bus?

I would agree to some sort of rail systems linking high population areas but this has to be studied in details. It is wrong to think that throwing a station in a high density area (condos/apartment) will mean more people will switch to MRT. For example, if there are still have cheap parking at the destinations people may still drive for the convenient. So first you have to control the car first before the MRT can become effective. Take Singapore as an example. You think the MRT ridership S'pore will increase if the Govt there did not make it pain to use the car in peak hours (like ERP or expensive/limited parking spaces)?

Have all this factors been studied by KL for the MRT? I have not seen any reports (or at least no publicly released reports)

I believe that this MRT being built not to just ease the congestion but also for the next 20..50 years ahead. It will be stupid if the government will only develop MRT for the next 10/20yrs where car ownership keep on increasing year by year and the cost will escalates 5 or 10 times more than est. RM36 billions currently. Sure later on govt will be accuse for short-minded/stupid and evrthing under the sun...

For a long term the bus as a feeder yes..., but for a ride between Subang/Shah Alam/Klang to KL i dont think so , have u try that one?? Yes in most major cities the bus play a role but not major i think... since most of them also have other modes of transportation i.e MRT/tram/monorail/LRT which complement each other. Its different in KV, we are still developing our system hence MRT will act as the heart of transportation in KV with LRT/monorail/bus system will complement each other. Definitely we cannot rely solely on the bus system. Even the SG started MRT decades ago where ppls question about its ridership during that time. So why not us?? :cheers:

Jambol

January 26th, 2011, 03:18 PM

OK. So what is the solution to east the traffic congestion in the KL/KV area? Bus? That is quite pathetic, based on the local standard... :ohno:

Transportation planning must co-exist with urban planning. Small country or not, Msia should take a leaf from Spore. Why is the population of KL/KV scattered the way they are? Haphazard or poor city planning.

And of course, needless to say, we do not have a masterplan for urban transportation (heard that is being done up). Meanwhile, without a masterplan or firmed detail feasi study, we can actually go and announced to the world that the MRT will be constructed. Pening sia.

tbc

January 26th, 2011, 03:57 PM

MRT works to start July 16, says Idris Jala
UPDATED @ 09:51:58 PM 26-01-2011
January 26, 2011

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 26 — Physical works for the Kuala Lumpur Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) will start on July 16, although the government is still working on the alignment and financing for the RM36.6 billion project, Senator Datuk Seri Idris Jala said tonight.

The Minister in the Prime Minister's Department said the MRT had a multiplier effect and would help generate income through rise in property prices and business in the Klang Valley.

“We absolutely need the MRT for the Klang Valley,” he said when answering a question at the Town Hall organised by The Malaysian Insider and BFM Radio at the Telekom Malaysia multipurpose hall here.

He had earlier cited rising congestion in the Klang Valley as a reason for the MRT. Kuala Lumpur already has two city train lines and a monorail, all owned by the government's Syarikat Prasarana Bhd.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mrt-works-to-start-july-16-says-idris-jala/

Spin and spin all you like, I still smell a rat in all this suspicious haste to have the project kicked off - imagine starting to build something you don't know for sure where it will be nor how you're going to pay for it, if at all you can afford to pay for it :ohno:
If the route alignment is not certain, which no one can be sure until all the land issues been resolved, no way can you put a price tag on it. And if there is no cost capping, be very sure the cost will sky rocket in time. Be also very sure the cost will not be lower than the 36.6B already quoted !
And if you don't know where the trains will be, how can you estimate the ridership ? Which would determine whether your average Joe Ali can afford to ride on this very expensive experiment, or not
And if it costs too much, ridership will be low and someone will incur huge losses
Which in time translates to our bendahara having to fork out a ransom to rescue the system for sake of national pride and maruah - and continue bleeding red ink year in year out thereafter

You think it's far fetched ? Read up on history of LRT and monorail systems :)

dengilo

January 27th, 2011, 02:25 AM

$jimbo$

January 27th, 2011, 05:02 AM

:cheers:And thats when the cookie crumbles,:lol: well said.If ur planning to spend that much taxpayers money the whole country should know every detail of the project!Be transparent and open it not hush hush about it!What happen to the preposed LRT extension to putra heights?:ohno:

This is Boleh-land, and NOT Singapore. So transparency on public funds is not mandatory LOL :nuts: (Sorry, a bit OFF TOPIC)

Just take a hard look at the KTM especially the JB-Kota Bharu long route. They (KTM) never improve in terms of technology, punctuality, comfort level, etc... In fact, I suspect they are using the same cabins for many many years... LOL :lol:

I think their motto is "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" :bash::lol::banana:

rizalhakim

January 27th, 2011, 06:20 AM

Hong Kong Mass Transit Railway system poised for bigger growth
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2011/1/27/central/7847591&sec=central

LPTC to use best practices of successful railway systems in other countries
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2011/1/27/central/7818168&sec=central

dengilo

January 27th, 2011, 06:36 AM

Temasek not good enough ha?.

bukhrin

January 27th, 2011, 07:51 AM

Temasek not good enough ha?.

Not far enough.:banana:

t3ars_culprit

January 27th, 2011, 08:18 AM

t3ars_culprit

January 27th, 2011, 08:25 AM

You hit the nail there. Why is there no concerted effort to improve the bus service?

I mentioned it earlier, MRT is important, bus is also very important..
But what i mean was, bus are not meant for long distance.. Mayb as bus feeder to MRT station are far more feasible.. :cheers:

t3ars_culprit

January 27th, 2011, 08:32 AM

To encourage more commuters to adopt the cashless lifestyle, MTR offers a discounted rate for those travelling with the Octopus card.

For instance, the fare for adults from Tsim Sha Tsui to Mongkok costs HK$5 for the conventional single journey ticket while it is just HK$4.50 for adults using the Octopus Card.

For children and the senior citizens, they get a further discount at HK$2.40 each when they travel on the same journey.

Any hope our TnG will be like Octopus card or Ezlink from SG that give some discount or incentive for ppl who using cashless card to pay for the fare??? :):cheers:

t3ars_culprit

January 27th, 2011, 08:32 AM

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Xenerec

January 28th, 2011, 04:40 AM

I believe that this MRT being built not to just ease the congestion but also for the next 20..50 years ahead. It will be stupid if the government will only develop MRT for the next 10/20yrs where car ownership keep on increasing year by year and the cost will escalates 5 or 10 times more than est. RM36 billions currently. Sure later on govt will be accuse for short-minded/stupid and evrthing under the sun...

It is also not prudent to build in anticipation for (future) ridership. I am still not convince that an MRT is justified given the population density and the car culture of the people.

For a long term the bus as a feeder yes..., but for a ride between Subang/Shah Alam/Klang to KL i dont think so , have u try that one?? Yes in most major cities the bus play a role but not major i think... since most of them also have other modes of transportation i.e MRT/tram/monorail/LRT which complement each other. Its different in KV, we are still developing our system hence MRT will act as the heart of transportation in KV with LRT/monorail/bus system will complement each other. Definitely we cannot rely solely on the bus system. Even the SG started MRT decades ago where ppls question about its ridership during that time. So why not us?? :cheers:

The length of the MRT line is a concern. It is 60km (and 35 stations) which is very long. If you start at one end, assuming station stop time of 1 min, avg speed of 70km/h then journey time is 85min. Add maybe train wait time of 10min plus another 30 min on bus feeder to station ==> 125min .

With express bus, you can limit each line to say to 10-20 pickup stops before the bus hits the expressway. We may need to free up lane on the expressway or maybe build busway (like those in Adelaide).

i think both modes of transport should complement each other. Bus is good for short distances, and it can be used as feeder service to the MRT to more remote areas. Even if KV has long distance BRT, but in order to tap into the high density area, it still needs to go through the same level with cars and traffic lights. MRT or rail-based transport are far more efficient. I really doubt bus services will work well to cover the whole KV. Even if it works, it will succeed only to a certain extent and to certain areas only. That is why i think both modes of transport should go hand in hand.

Imagine in dense Singapore 40% of all trips are still made by bus, 40% by cars/taxis and 20% by MRT/LRT. Bus and car are still the MAIN modes. What about KV? I just speculate maybe like 85% car and 15% bus.

Maybe the answers is not to build overly expensive MRT linking far way satelite towns but maybe a relook on how to rationalise cars/bus and inter-town-CBD connections. At the moment nobody seems to have much ideas what are the inter-town or town-to-CBD traffic pattern is like (i.e. how many of those cars that jammed up our expressway are going into city or somewhere else)

kl 2020 ideas

January 28th, 2011, 10:58 AM

are u sure bout the 30 sq km?????:)

Is 710.2 square kilometres to be exact.

teckkang

January 28th, 2011, 11:32 AM

It is also not prudent to build in anticipation for (future) ridership. I am still not convince that an MRT is justified given the population density and the car culture of the people.

The length of the MRT line is a concern. It is 60km (and 35 stations) which is very long. If you start at one end, assuming station stop time of 1 min, avg speed of 70km/h then journey time is 85min. Add maybe train wait time of 10min plus another 30 min on bus feeder to station ==> 125min .

With express bus, you can limit each line to say to 10-20 pickup stops before the bus hits the expressway. We may need to free up lane on the expressway or maybe build busway (like those in Adelaide).

Imagine in dense Singapore 40% of all trips are still made by bus, 40% by cars/taxis and 20% by MRT/LRT. Bus and car are still the MAIN modes. What about KV? I just speculate maybe like 85% car and 15% bus.

Maybe the answers is not to build overly expensive MRT linking far way satelite towns but maybe a relook on how to rationalise cars/bus and inter-town-CBD connections. At the moment nobody seems to have much ideas what are the inter-town or town-to-CBD traffic pattern is like (i.e. how many of those cars that jammed up our expressway are going into city or somewhere else)

i still doubt bus service will work efficiently given that it is sharing the roads with other vehicles, and i think malaysian motorists will not be happy to give up the roads to bus lanes, subsequently end up misusing it. Yes, busway will work only lots of spaces are freed up for this purposes, and it only works best along expressway without any traffic lights, but how many people are staying along expressway? And given such poor past urban planning in KV, i really doubt the ideal bus service can exist, even here in the UK, buses are the slowest mode of transport, even after they tried so hard to free up spaces for bus lane, still to no success. So can malaysia government do better than them? To be efficient, malaysia government should look at how Switzerland and Germany plan their cities.

allurban

January 28th, 2011, 06:02 PM

i still doubt bus service will work efficiently given that it is sharing the roads with other vehicles, and i think malaysian motorists will not be happy to give up the roads to bus lanes, subsequently end up misusing it. Yes, busway will work only lots of spaces are freed up for this purposes, and it only works best along expressway without any traffic lights, but how many people are staying along expressway? And given such poor past urban planning in KV, i really doubt the ideal bus service can exist, even here in the UK, buses are the slowest mode of transport, even after they tried so hard to free up spaces for bus lane, still to no success. So can malaysia government do better than them? To be efficient, malaysia government should look at how Switzerland and Germany plan their cities.Many of the roads in suburban areas have been turned into mini-expressways with flyovers and reduced traffic lights, restricted access etc.

Bus routes that travel along bus lanes on these suburban mini-expressways, with fast access to the real expressways, all the way into KL - could be operated as a Premium Bus Service that would appeal to many long distance commuters who prefer a comfortable, single-seat, non-stop trip.

The problem has always been that everything is done either in half-measures (bus lanes, bus revamp) or overblown measures (LRT, MRT).

Cheers, m

idiamindada

January 28th, 2011, 07:21 PM

idiamindada

January 28th, 2011, 07:21 PM

allurban

January 29th, 2011, 12:29 AM

I believe a massive urban sprawl is part of the problem. When land price is skyrocketing, people who work in the city will move out to as far as Rawang while still working in the same company in the city center. How could a bus serve those people efficiently? Bandar Sunway, Damansara, Shah Alam are considered far compared to Singapore's neighborhoods to their downtown. It's very difficult eventho we can say KTM serves the route.

If the Work-Play-Live triangle is not in balance, problems will be hard to solve.remember, it's not just a bus or a few buses - it is many buses on many frequent bus routes.

That will make a significant difference in public transport as it is today.

Consider, one route operating a 60 passenger bus every 20 minutes - meaning that this route would move 180 passengers per hour in each direction - assuming of course that it is two directions.

Now, how about a 60 passenger bus every 10 minutes - that route would move 360 passengers per hour in each direction.

Now, how about a 60 passenger bus every 5 minutes - now the route is moving 720 passengers per hour in each direction.

And if you can get the frequency to 4 minutes, now the route is moving 800 passengers per hour direction.

And if you have a bus that can carry 120 passengers instead of 60, for the same cost you are now moving 1600 passengers per hour per direction.

Now, multiply those routes by 12 and you are moving way more than 10,000 passengers per hour per direction - and you are taking 10,000 cars / motorcycles off the road

Suddenly that one bus is not as lonely or ineffective as you first thought.

Cheers, m

patchay

January 31st, 2011, 04:29 PM

^^ ehh how come nobody post the 2nd MRT Line news in the headline today yet?

bukhrin

January 31st, 2011, 04:49 PM

^^ ehh how come nobody post the 2nd MRT Line news in the headline today yet?

Ehe, was wondering the same thing. But it's not really new news right ?

World 2 World

January 31st, 2011, 04:50 PM

All eyes and ears on second MRT
KUALA LUMPUR: The second mass rapid transit (MRT) line, which circles the Kuala Lumpur city centre (KLCC) orbital and known as the “circle line”, is already in the final planning stage.

The details are expected to be announced in March.

“Its alignment must depict the current and future business districts in Kuala Lumpur,” said Minister in the Prime Minister's Department and chief executive officer of Pemandu Datuk Seri Idris Jala during an Economic Transformation Programme (ETP) update to analysts and fund managers recently.

In the longer term, a third line to Port Klang was being comtemplated, he said. The circle line is expected to cover the hotspots surrounding the KLCC, Jalan Bukit Bintang, the new Kuala Lumpur International Financial District in Dataran Perdana, KL Ecocity, Pusat Bandar Damansara and Sentul, among others.

Meanwhile, the “blue line” the first line which is a 50km alignment that covers Sungai Buloh to Kajang, via Pusat Bandar Damansara and Bukit Bintang is slated for completion in 2016. The network of all the three MRT lines will be fully operational by 2020.

“Greater KL now has a population of 6 million people. By 2020, we will have 10 million people. If we don't have the MRT, the city will be choked. Right now, nearly everybody drives. This is not sustainable,” said Idris.

He added that currently 13% of people commuted using urban transportation. Under the ETP, Idris said this should increase to 50%, adding that the funding structure for the MRT would be disclosed by end-February.

“Apart from reducing travelling time, the MRT will also cause property prices to appreciate because of better accessibility. If your house is near the MRT station, prices will go up because of the commercialisation created around the area,” said Idris.

Some analysts are wary of the ambitious plans laid out by Pemandu.

“As usual, it's a case of execution. Will the Government be able to actually implement the project? We'll need to see it being done to believe it. More importantly, how is the Government going to fund this project?” asked a construction analyst.

Another analyst said the Government was likely to reduce cost by getting developers to co-fund some of the MRT stations.

On implementation, he said that Pemandu would have learnt from past lessons of the LRT, monorail and commuter train.

Some brokers have notably been able to analyse the impact of the proposed MRT comprehensively.

In a Malaysia Market Strategy Report titled “Property boom-boom” released on Jan 26, global investment bank UBS' head of research Chris Oh said Malaysia was set to enjoy improved connectivity in the coming years with the proposed infrastructure rollout of the MRT system and possible high-speed rail linkage between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

He said the MRT captured the imagination of the people, developers and investors. He expects property value around a radius of 20km of the city centre to rise significantly.

The preference would be on developers who have vast landbank with high-density mixed development around MRT stations.

“Interest in Malaysian property will be fuelled by foreigners looking out for higher returns (via undervalued currency and low entry costs) than their home countries (Singapore and Hong Kong) and the absence of significant restrictions on property ownership by foreigners,” said Oh.

Singapore-based DBS Research was the first to issue a property sector report titled “Entering a Golden Era” on Jan 14, analysing the impact of MRT on the property sector.

The analyst, Yee Mei Hui, said: “The MRT system is expected to be a structural catalyst for the rise in value of the real estate surrounding MRT stations.”

In the report, the firm was projecting boldly that land values in MRT hot spots could jump by up to six-fold over the next five years.

She said the MRT would have a strong structural impact on the Kuala Lumpur real estate, given that the KL city had been under-invested since the last wave of mega-projects in the late 1990s.

The new MRT will create new opportunities for high-density mixed developments, urban renewal and new suburban townships.

In turn, this has boosted the potential for land prices to reach new peaks with higher plot ratios and more commercial developments. Other than existing prime areas, she identified KL Ecocity, Pusat Bandar Damansara and Sentul as new locations for high-density developments to watch out for.
source: biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/31/business/7885702&sec=business

bukhrin

January 31st, 2011, 04:55 PM

Ehe, tiba tiba got blue line and orange line, last time was red and green line. And out of nowhere, the third line going to Port Klang. And they really seem so gungho in making the KLFD the new city center/transport hub. The circle and orange line's interchange looks to be approximately where the Sg Besi airport is, and the Orange Line eastern part goes along the Jalan Ampang alignment.

daeng_jal

January 31st, 2011, 06:01 PM

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2011/1/31/business/mrt.jpg

pelik btol circle line ni..kn sng extend monorail ikut MRR1 jer:lol:

janji bentuk "O"

a7x

January 31st, 2011, 08:15 PM

this does not look convincing by even one bit..are they hiring kids on planning this out..

allurban

January 31st, 2011, 10:37 PM

this does not look convincing by even one bit..are they hiring kids on planning this out..That graphic is from The Star, not from SPAD - not only is it wrong about existing routes, it looks like the proposals might be a bit mixed up too.

All the more reason for SPAD to be open & upfront with their planning.

TRANSIT's comments can be found at this post, MRT Update: Is this our MRT network? (http://transitmy.org/2011/02/01/mrt-update-is-this-our-new-mrt-network/).

Cheers, m

patchay

February 1st, 2011, 01:01 AM

allurban

February 1st, 2011, 04:58 AM

actually wats wrong with the route?

from what I know, The Star graphic maybe the latest.

The Circle Line will cover more places such as Desa Petaling, Bangsar South/Kerinchi and Universiti Malaya.

I guess linking Port Klang and KL is much more important now than the earlier Kepong-Serdang route.Patchay, did you see how they depicted the KL monorail in the graphic? If they got that wrong what else did they get wrong?

And I want to know why an MRT to Klang is more important than the MRT from Kepong to Serdang - it doesn't seem sensible - especially since KTM can carry a lot more passengers with some judicious investment - at a fraction of the cost of the MRT.
~m!

patchay

February 1st, 2011, 06:12 AM

kl 2020 ideas

February 1st, 2011, 06:30 AM

Patchay, did you see how they depicted the KL monorail in the graphic? If they got that wrong what else did they get wrong?

And I want to know why an MRT to Klang is more important than the MRT from Kepong to Serdang - it doesn't seem sensible - especially since KTM can carry a lot more passengers with some judicious investment - at a fraction of the cost of the MRT.
~m!

I want to say this but you want to know why the MRT wants to go to Port Klang but isn't it obvious. It is a thumbs up in fact but at the same time it left out the Kepong people. Who is more important here? Here are the factors:

1. Didn't in the previous post, many complained that the Government did not plan carefully because they left out the Shah Alam, Klang citizens as well as the PJ State Area. The line in fact concentrates the most important places. This way it will significantly increases the ridership amount to over 2 million and therefore it is a good sign.

2. Shah Alam, Klang, Subang Jaya and Petaling Jaya consist of 3.33 million people. You may seem shocked by the number of the population as it says, it is the truth. What we need is a line that is properly planned and Shah Alam has a vast land and therefore the line can be overall elevated and therefore cheaper to build. Our commuter sucks, and therefore we need a proper metro line.

3. Lastly, many claimed that the circle line is not really planned to be. So what, it doesn't mean the word 'circle' means is fully circle and we need to copy the Singapore's version of the Circle Line. Keep this in mind that the Singapore's Circle Line will be fully circled once Marina Bay's extension is completed next year. Another for this so called "Infamous Circle Line" is the proposed line back in 2004.

The predicted Circle Line:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8177/2020f.jpg

Few years back proposed Circle Line:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/352757608_8a3b8e9a7a_o.jpg

What I know for this proposed line. Sorry for those who didn't get the image of this propose line. Here I will list down the what was to be proposed stations.

*Unlike Singapore's Circle Line, KL does not have a proper terminus, so I will act KL Sentral as the terminus (clockwise):

1. KL Sentral (interchange with Kelana Jaya Line, Monorail, Commuter, proposed Sg Buloh - Kajang Line)
2.Istana Negara
3.Dewan Bahasa
4.Jalan Istana
5.Chan Sow Lin (interchange with Ampang Line)
6.Cochrane
7.Wisma Time
8.Prince Court (possible interchange with Sg Buloh - Kajang Line)
9.Embassy
10.Ampang Park (interchange with Kelana Jaya Line)
11.Semarak
12.Perpustakaan Negara (National Library)
13.Balai Seni Lukis (National Art Gallery)
14.Titiwangsa (interchange with Ampang Line and Monorail)
15.Dato Onn Tower (a.k.a. Umno Headquarters)
16.Mahameru
17.KL Central Park (somewhere north of Lake Gardens)
18.Lake Gardens
19.Back to KL Sentral**

**Refer to 2nd station of Circle Line

I will list down the possibly stations for Port Klang - Kuala Lumpur line until then, later. :)

idiamindada

February 1st, 2011, 06:33 AM

a direct line into UiTM Shah Alam please…!! Gov must understand that a big number of private vehicle owners are college students!

UM, UPM, UiTM have a massive car congestion on weekdays. placing LRT/KTM stations far away from walking distance to those colleges seem not smart tho.

bukhrin

February 1st, 2011, 07:51 AM

Current proposed Circle Line:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8177/2020f.jpg

Hi,

Before everyone gets excited and worked up, I have to point out that that was not the proposed Circle line, it's only what I think it was a few months back. In other words it was just my speculation. :)

daeng_jal

February 1st, 2011, 08:09 AM

asd5139

February 1st, 2011, 09:02 AM

Why can't Shah Alam and Klang just have monorail and connect it to the Komuter... sound cheaper..

TWK90

February 1st, 2011, 09:35 AM

i dunt like what kl2020ideas said

"our commuter suck so we need to plan a proper metro"

would it be cheaper n faster than to fix the commuter than to build expensive new line?.bear in mnd that the route are not all high densities,a huge chunk of the line will go through a lot of low densities area.

what i think we need is to reduced commuter interval n increase it speed..then just build a SG LRT type system to link all these area to the station..

Improving KTM service to Klang is cheaper than building new metro, and best of all, it is flexible because unlike metro line, it is possible to have more than one service with different stopping pattern, such as one service with fewer stops than the normal service.

The infrastructure is already there, it is the matter of improving the existing infrastructure, make it better.

I also think they should revive the old Sri Subang line to introduce airport express service to Subang airport.

bukhrin

February 1st, 2011, 09:38 AM

Why can't Shah Alam and Klang just have monorail and connect it to the Komuter... sound cheaper..

Improve the bus services and guaranteed right of ways not only sound cheaper, it is.

TWK90

February 1st, 2011, 09:41 AM

Improve the bus services and guaranteed right of ways not only sound cheaper, it is.

Shah Alam, i reckon is the best place to experiment improved, dedicated bus lane service in Klang Valley, just look at the urban layout, it is planned in grid layout (sort of), lower density, yet Shah Alam population is growing.

idiamindada

February 1st, 2011, 10:12 AM

Why can't Shah Alam and Klang just have monorail and connect it to the Komuter... sound cheaper..

ask the state government lah.

i believe they will put blame on fed gov for the mess. as simple as a b c….

monorail is expensive, but BRT is way cheaper option. still they can't even think about it. too busy to have a special ADUN seating on SUK :lol:

bukhrin

February 1st, 2011, 10:25 AM

ask the state government lah.

i believe they will put blame on fed gov for the mess. as simple as a b c….

monorail is expensive, but BRT is way cheaper option. still they can't even think about it. too busy to have a special ADUN seating on SUK :lol:

Ohhh, I thought all the public transport thingy is under SPAD a.k.a Federal Gomen..

asd5139

February 1st, 2011, 12:09 PM

i was comparing between monorail with mrt (thats why i said cheaper) and some more people said that the lrt like singapore is an opt for klang/s.alam area .. yet i do realize that brt is a cheaper opt but.. you know till now.. i dun see any BRT in Malaysia...everytime you open tv/newspaper everyone said lrt/monorail/mrt and blabla to show we are modern.. even ipoh also want that when the fact that the bus system there is still in chaos...:ohno:

dcOhiney

February 1st, 2011, 01:00 PM

no connection to cyberjaya? if they connect cyberjaya with komuter pun dah ok dah. ERL very damn expensive

kl 2020 ideas

February 1st, 2011, 02:15 PM

i dunt like what kl2020ideas said

"our commuter suck so we need to plan a proper metro"

would it be cheaper n faster than to fix the commuter than to build expensive new line?.bear in mnd that the route are not all high densities,a huge chunk of the line will go through a lot of low densities area.

what i think we need is to reduced commuter interval n increase it speed..then just build a SG LRT type system to link all these area to the station..

Or how about can't we just extend the Putra Heights terminal with an extra LRT Line, there save some $. Isn't this a better idea. But then you see the North South Line in Singapore from Jurong East to Marina Bay. In the first place, shouldn't they just follow the EW Line and then southwards, it's because of the citizens. What is the most important thing is the connectivity and the usage, it doesn't have to be cheaper. It's true what you say it is beyond recognition but it is the only choice. You don't see why New York's metro from South Ferry to 242nd street. Here I show you how long it is:

http://www.orangesmile.com/destinations/img/new-york-map-metro-big.gif

kl 2020 ideas

February 1st, 2011, 02:21 PM

Improving KTM service to Klang is cheaper than building new metro, and best of all, it is flexible because unlike metro line, it is possible to have more than one service with different stopping pattern, such as one service with fewer stops than the normal service.

The infrastructure is already there, it is the matter of improving the existing infrastructure, make it better.

I also think they should revive the old Sri Subang line to introduce airport express service to Subang airport.

I think I know how to solve this problem, they should introduce a Express System. It was introduce in certain metro system such as New York. It can serve a train where certain stations like the most usage station is only allowed. For example, if the station in SS15 is usable while the a station at the Old Klang Road is not that up for capacity. It will serve SS15 and not the Old Klang Road.

t3ars_culprit

February 3rd, 2011, 12:44 PM

t3ars_culprit

February 3rd, 2011, 12:52 PM

Shah Alam, i reckon is the best place to experiment improved, dedicated bus lane service in Klang Valley, just look at the urban layout, it is planned in grid layout (sort of), lower density, yet Shah Alam population is growing.

Yea, growing too fast, before this, around 2007 when I was away to JB for study, the traffic condition in Shah Alam is super smooth, now Shah Alam become more and more Jam, I dun wan to live in a place with so much jam..

I always tot Shah Alam will never had traffic jam like the neighbour city, but now I guess it sharing the same fate... Forever and ever we will never get our public transport upgrade and improve, and I dun think the existing KTM system will get upgraded as well.. The system is still suck and never get improve ever since the first it get into service..:cheers:

Sry, Just sharing my point of view cheers :cheers:

TWK90

February 3rd, 2011, 01:29 PM

hehe.. upgrading the commuter??:nuts:
Upgrade the system will took the same amount money of building a new metro line.. :lol:

Hmm, I know that Klang and Shah Alam have KTM, but I tot Kepong and Kajang have KTM too??:cheers:
Correct me if I got it wrongly..:cheers:

Upgrading commuter line is always cheaper than building new metro lines.

Usually upgrading in my opinion, only requires more rolling stocks and some resignalling to allow more trains per hour. How can it be more expensive than building new line?

Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is different, compared to the KL-Klang corridor which has lower population density, the Sungai Buloh-Kajang corridor which has high density areas that are not served by rail, especially Kota Damansara, Damansara area and Cheras. You do not find that along KL-Klang corridor, the northern part of the corridor for example, has lower population density and sparse urban layout.

t3ars_culprit

February 3rd, 2011, 04:12 PM

Upgrading commuter line is always cheaper than building new metro lines.

Usually upgrading in my opinion, only requires more rolling stocks and some resignalling to allow more trains per hour. How can it be more expensive than building new line?

Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is different, compared to the KL-Klang corridor which has lower population density, the Sungai Buloh-Kajang corridor which has high density areas that are not served by rail, especially Kota Damansara, Damansara area and Cheras. You do not find that along KL-Klang corridor, the northern part of the corridor for example, has lower population density and sparse urban layout.

I thought u know what I mean.. Corruption and the upgrade will never get upgrade.. Even they increase the number of rolling stocks but the service is still not good enough to sustain number of passenger during the peak hour and how about future growth?? As u can see Shah Alam still have plenty of land to build more housing area which mean, the population number will increase to more than a million people mayb in few years time, at that time, klang - pj population surely over 4.5 million or even higher..

I know the area Damansara are not served by any rail... And I do agreed that the line should be built.. but at the same time, gomen should not neglect shah alam and klang(with 2 mil population potential, Subang and PJ not included)... Always saying Shah Alam and Klang have KTM is more than enough is really too much... Im so afraid to use the KTM system to go for work... Its like NO WAY..:ohno: I dun wan to be late to work.. Unless I woke up 6o'clock and finish breakfast and get ready to go to KTM station by 7o'clock otherwise I wont make it to reach the office at 9..

Plus, the station in shah alam is way too far from my house, using own car, for a faster one, I nid to pay RM1.20 for the toll around 10 minutes, otherwise it will take longer time to reach the station roughly 15minutes or more depends on the traffic condition..

2 hour commute time from my house to office at KLCC... The fare is not cheap as well.. :nuts:

Sry if some words do irritates you, please forgive me for that.. =)

patchay

February 4th, 2011, 02:29 AM

kl 2020 ideas

February 4th, 2011, 09:07 AM

Don't forget Subang Jaya is actually the largest city in Malaysia now in terms of population. Together with Klang and Shah Alam and PJ Old Town, this Line will be very successful.

Not bias as I'm a PJ Damansara resident. And I see people here especially senior citizens rarely go to KL/Cheras or places that are far away from homes or work (if they work in PJ) anyway.* (This is is just an observation and a personal opinion)

Bad news is MRT may not stop infront of 1Utama that's why SHC is lobbying hard. And probably they should avoid TTDI (as it will too close to homes). So the MRT should come to Damansara Uptown and Tropicana City instead. But it will be complicated.

TTDI should not have 2 stops. And by the way I was very dissapointed by the alignment that it will go through TTDI twice. If like that, more residents will complain by going street protesting. Like I said, it is wise if the line is underground. That way, the station can be at 1U New Wing. Moreover, the LDP is already congested. The Government has only 2 choices for that:

1. If the line is elevated, stops at the crossroads of 1U and TTDI, the line cannot go through the other TTDI stop as if already shared the MRT station with BU. LDP is already congested and there is lack of space so I don't know how the line will go.

2. If the line is underground and then stops at Central Park 1U, the line can only proceed TTDI then Tropicana City. My only concern is whether prices will skyrocket for the cost so badly.

allurban

February 5th, 2011, 06:47 AM

allurban

February 5th, 2011, 06:49 AM

Read a letter today which also suggests a 'spur line' along the Orange Line serving Petaling Jaya on the north-south corridor

So I had to post the letter and some comments on the TRANSIT website

http://transitmy.org/2011/02/05/mrt-update-do-we-need-an-mrt-to-shah-alam-klang/

There's also a poll and everyone here is welcome to take the poll there and give their feedback - both here and at the TRANSIT post.

Cheers, m

patchay

February 5th, 2011, 07:04 AM

TTDI should not have 2 stops. And by the way I was very dissapointed by the alignment that it will go through TTDI twice. If like that, more residents will complain by going street protesting. Like I said, it is wise if the line is underground. That way, the station can be at 1U New Wing. Moreover, the LDP is already congested. The Government has only 2 choices for that:

1. If the line is elevated, stops at the crossroads of 1U and TTDI, the line cannot go through the other TTDI stop as if already shared the MRT station with BU. LDP is already congested and there is lack of space so I don't know how the line will go.

2. If the line is underground and then stops at Central Park 1U, the line can only proceed TTDI then Tropicana City. My only concern is whether prices will skyrocket for the cost so badly.

There was never 2 stops at TTDI. What I meant was a stop serving both 1Utama and TTDI somewhere near the Petronas TTDI or the Pasar Besar TTDI.

Btw this is what I presumed is the official one as reported in TheStar:

Sg Buloh-Kajang MRT
Provisional Route & Proposed Stations (Red Line)

1. Sg Buloh KTM ***
2. Kg Baru Sg Buloh
3. RRIM
4. Kota Damansara Utara
5. Taman Industri Sg Buloh
6. Kota Damansara Selatan
7. Dataran Sunway, Kota Damansara
8. The Curve, Mutiara Damansara
9. 1 Utama Central Park, Bandar Utama
10. Taman Tun Dr Ismail
11. Seksyen 17
12. Eastin Phileo Damansara
13. Pusat Bandar Damansara ***
14. UOA Damansara, Jalan Semantan
15. Taman Duta
16. KL Sentral ***
17. Pasar Seni LRT ***
18. Warisan Merdeka
19. Pudu ***
20. Bukit Bintang ***
21. KL International Financial District ***^
22. Jalan Cochrane
23. Maluri LRT ***
24. Taman Bukit Ria
25. Taman Midah/Bukit Mewah
26. Cheras Leisure Mall, Taman Segar
27. Phoenix Plaza
28. Taman Cuepacs
29. Taman Suntex
30. Bandar Tun Hussein Onn
31. Balakong/Cheras Selatan
32. Taman Koperasi Cuepacs
33. Taman Mesra
34. Kajang Stadium
35. Kajang KTM ***

patchay

February 5th, 2011, 11:05 AM

Do You Know Why TTDI Residents Object The MRT?

Take a look at actual presentation by Idris Team:

Gamuda-MMC Proposal
http://ttdi-ra.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/plan-1.png

The Current Proposal by SPAD
http://ttdi-ra.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/plan-2.png

http://ttdi-ra.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/plan-3.png

^^ As you can see the alignment and the proposed 1Utama Station is at the famous interchange between Bandar Utama and TTDI (near Standard CHartered). Thereafter, it runs not on LDP but rather on housing roads all the way deep into the commercial area of TTDI near Jalan Datuk Suleiman. I believe the MRT is near Wan Kadir area near the Pasar Besar or further away towards Indah Water. :bash:

With regards to the alignment, the dialogue revolved around why the MRT should align along the LDP and not the more logical and viable route down the commercial area of Jalan Dataran Bandar Utama as was previously proposed in the original version of the MRT under the Greater KL plan. It would have been more logical to have a station along Dataran Bandar Utama as it can thus be within walking distance of the commercial and residential areas.

The second argument revolved around the placement of the proposed TTDI station (near TTDI exit road close to the TTDI market) and the proposed “One Utama” station that will be built at the junction of the main exit road of TTDI (Jalan Burhanuddin Helmi) and Bandar Utama. These proposed train stations were opposed during the meeting. Among the reasons cited were that the areas would be congested due to the Malaysian culture of commuters getting someone to drop them off at the station as near as possible to avoid walking even a short distance or they will drive up to the station and park as close as possible along nearby TTDI residential roads (hence all the double parking that Malaysians are famous for).

We proposed an alternative during the dialogue; that the MRT runs down the Dataran Bandar Utama as originally planned and a station built at the One Utama massive car park adjacent to Central Park. This will have an additional advantage of connectivity of the MRT to the long distance bus service that is currently operating there. If the adjacent golf driving range is acquired, this area could be turned into a bus hub for buses throughout Malaysia thus fulfilling one of the factors stated by SPAD that alignment and station chosen must enhance Intra modal and Inter modal connectivity.

Currently, the TTDI station is proposed to be located at the other end of TTDI. However, this is not where the majority of the residents are. The original version of the MRT alignment from the greater KL plan was designed to serve residents as it goes into the residential area of TTDI via Jalan Burhanuddin Helmi , into Jalan Dato Sulaiman. An area that seemed to be proposed for the station sits in the middle of TTDI near the most high density area of TTDI (where the condominiums and commercial areas are). Thus a high majority of TTDI residents can actually walk to the station if it is placed here as originally designed.

As fast as Dr. Ahmad Mustafa wants the MRT project to take off, please keep it in the back of your mind the proverb “Haste makes Waste”. There are enough white elephants in Malaysia and enough projects implemented that actually create new problems. In this respect, some of us fail to see the logic of the current MRT alignment as it is being made to serve commercial areas at the expense of low-density residential areas.

Actually, new areas such as Damansara Utama and Tropicana Mall, areas of higher residential density and with bigger commercial areas are more deserving to have the MRT station rather than quiet TTDI with a small commercial area (Banks and shops for cars) and residents, the majority of whom are mostly retired civil servants, senior professionals and foreigners who can afford homes in TTDI. The initial study and proposed alignment by Gamuda actually bypasses TTDI altogether, and it runs from Bandar Utama to Damansara Utama and to Tropicana mall, areas with higher density and commercial activities.

I am a retiree living along the LDP (Medan Burhanuddin Helmi) where my house is barely 12 meters from the LDP highway. The noise and dust pollution is already unbearable. When my family first settled into our humble link home all those years ago (before any mega infrastructure projects), we were thankful for the quiet environment lush with greenery at our doorstep. Shortly thereafter, the LDP highway came about, and the greenery was cut down to make room for the project. New trees were planted sparsely, which served as a small consolation after the greenery we enjoyed, but alas it was not long before the LDP highway was widened to cater to ever-increasing traffic. The young saplings were sacrificed to make room for the growing highway. In addition, major storm drains were covered to erect an ineffective barrier wall between the encroaching highway and my front door. This caused unnecessary flooding during heavy downpours. Needless to say, noise pollution increased, and being a retiree, I could not afford to move my family to a better location, so here we stayed. Today there are no big trees anymore, and now there are plans to put an elevated train above my home. I dread to think that I will be awakened every so often by the rumbling and screeching of trains at odd hours. In my 30 years in this house I have gone from being woken up by birds chirping from the majestic trees in front of my house, to the sounds of car horns and engine noises blaring in the rush hour highway traffic, and finally to the added horror of a giant train track and all the associated noise and vibrations looming above my home.

I am a committee member of the pro tem group of the most affected residents of TTDI that had its first meeting on 20th January 2011. We formed teams to tackle and study the MRT implementation. We are for the MRT and for a fair implementation of the project. It is hoped that we can work together with SPAD to find an alternative proposal that would cause less social impact, and site the stations and alignment at areas that will serve more congested areas with easier constructability (imagine the congestion if sections of the LDP are partially closed off to allow for year-long construction – again). In fairness, those who will profit the most should have the line and station in their backyard rather than push it into someone else’s garden. Let’s implement the MRT project without victimizing any group of people however small in number they may be.

In the meeting, the majority agreed that if the government, after due consideration, still believes that the best route for the MRT is via TTDI areas adjacent to the LDP, we are prepared to negotiate with the government to find a solution to support the project and not overlook retirees like myself and many others along my street. Perhaps the answer could even be for the government to acquire our homes so that the LDP can be widened even more and adequate parking can be provided for the massive influx of commuters expected to flood the 1U station.

I believe that if millions (if not billons) of taxpayers’ ringgit can be spent to run the MRT underground in the city centre, the cost of acquiring a handful of homes along the LDP to make way for this massive infrastructure project is ‘peanuts’. Let us all remember the slogan “Rakyat Didahulukan, Pencapaian Diutamakan”. Let’s work together to align the MRT to serve where it is needed most; high density residential areas and business & commercial areas.

Adapted from: http://ttdi-ra.com.my/news/we-want-project-to-be-on-right-track/

patchay

February 5th, 2011, 11:22 AM

Funny. The current proposal for MRT Line will bypass most of Housing Roads in TTDI.

Option 1 - Current Proposal for Elevated MRT (being rejected by residents)
Persiaran Surian - Jalan Dataran Bandar Utama - 1U STATION at Lebuh Bandar Utama - Jalan Burhanuddin Helmi TTDI - Jalan Datuk Sulaiman - Jalan Wan Kadir - TTDI STATION - Jalan Damansara

Option 2 - Old Proposal for Elevated MRT
Persiaran Surian - 1U STATION - LDP - TTDI STATION - Jalan Damansara

Option 3 - Proposal by Gamuda-MMC
Persiaran Surian - 1U STATION - LDP - Damansara Uptown - Tropicana City Mall/Damansara Intan - Jalan Damansara

Another proposal is to put 1U Station at Central Park or near the Driving Range and acquired the land from See Hoy Chan for a proposed integrated bus hub. See Hoy Chan will then provide the freeway for the MRT to go into Damansara Uptown.

I think LDP doesn't allow any more space for the Elevated MRT.

I foresee the MRT will face alot of problems. :bash::bash:

lohxy

February 5th, 2011, 05:30 PM

Underground........................................

kl 2020 ideas

February 6th, 2011, 10:18 AM

Underground........................................

That's the thing but the Government cares for elevated. Everyone that has posted including me also has requested for the line to be underground. In order for it, they need loads of money but the developer (See Hoy Chan Holdings) can help fork the money but sorry to say it has to be in their area unless all of them, decides to cooperate and fork out the money.

And the other thing I'm very dissapointed is that TTDI will go through many streets. TTDI is mostly uphill and the other thing is where are they gonna build. Like he said, the station may be in Pasar Besar TTDI but then they can't align the LDP route as the jam is already jammed beyond recognition. If the line is underground problem solved. They should learn from Singapore and Hong Kong as majority of the line is underground. If you meant LRT and the Monorail, it is an okay because after all they are meant for elevated rail but when you are talking about MRT it should be underground.

Another problem is if the line is underground, there may be people complaining and if their house sink with them inside, total horror. What really recalled 2005's incident in Singapore's Nicoll Highway disaster can't be repeated in Malaysia. If Singapore happened, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens here. But what I'm saying is that they may have to review again in order from preventing cave in incidents. But then what I only say is just a few precautions and steps to stop this whole protesting.

And yes the last thing I really have to say this is that I am really frustrated about is the residents of TTDI. They think TTDI is Cameron Highlands. Sorry to say but however at the same time I shouldn't have say this but they are too much. Whoever is reading this may criticize me but if you don't like it here, move out to Cameron Highlands. Then again Cameron Highlands is already congested so I guess there are no place quiet anymore accept the facts but then the people who complain are all the riches and the fancy old people complaining. The more they complain, the later or the MRT will never be build.

Like people say, "Think twice before you say".

tbc

February 6th, 2011, 10:40 AM

Whoever is reading this may criticize me but if you don't like it here, move out to Cameron Highlands

.........

Like people say, "Think twice before you say".
Yes agreed, very wise saying
Perhaps you may also need to practise like what people say then :)

szehoong

February 6th, 2011, 12:18 PM

That's the thing but the Government cares for elevated. Everyone that has posted including me also has requested for the line to be underground. In order for it, they need loads of money but the developer (See Hoy Chan Holdings) can help fork the money but sorry to say it has to be in their area unless all of them, decides to cooperate and fork out the money.

And the other thing I'm very dissapointed is that TTDI will go through many streets. TTDI is mostly uphill and the other thing is where are they gonna build. Like he said, the station may be in Pasar Besar TTDI but then they can't align the LDP route as the jam is already jammed beyond recognition. If the line is underground problem solved. They should learn from Singapore and Hong Kong as majority of the line is underground. If you meant LRT and the Monorail, it is an okay because after all they are meant for elevated rail but when you are talking about MRT it should be underground.

Another problem is if the line is underground, there may be people complaining and if their house sink with them inside, total horror. What really recalled 2005's incident in Singapore's Nicoll Highway disaster can't be repeated in Malaysia. If Singapore happened, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens here. But what I'm saying is that they may have to review again in order from preventing cave in incidents. But then what I only say is just a few precautions and steps to stop this whole protesting.

And yes the last thing I really have to say this is that I am really frustrated about is the residents of TTDI. They think TTDI is Cameron Highlands. Sorry to say but however at the same time I shouldn't have say this but they are too much. Whoever is reading this may criticize me but if you don't like it here, move out to Cameron Highlands. Then again Cameron Highlands is already congested so I guess there are no place quiet anymore accept the facts but then the people who complain are all the riches and the fancy old people complaining. The more they complain, the later or the MRT will never be build.

Like people say, "Think twice before you say".

Everyone loves underground. Yea.....it is space-saving and stuffs.

But underground trains could be a bore esp for commuters. But then again this is a petty issue. The main reason why suburbs had to be elevated is because of the cost. Even rich cities like HK and Singapore have parts of their metros elevated.

Whatever happened at Nicoll Highway is different cause that is a station under construction and the perimeter wall collapsed due to human error. For most parts of underground construction, it would be done by TBMs (Tunnel boring machines).

Again I am no geologist nor am I a civil engineer but tunnel boring could cause small and light structures to vibrate and cracked during construction as many tunneling projects have affected structures all over the world. That would depends on soil conditions as well.

The term LRT and MRT ....we all should drop it all-together. Our LRT is a medium-capacity rail and is even larger than Manila's MRT. In fact our trains are wider than some of London's Underground rolling stocks. All rails including monorails could work underground. The differences are mostly passenger capacity and in our monorail case- the rail itself. Our monorail trains are wider than our RapidKL's Ampang and KJ Line trains and if we were to make it long enough (the max is 12-carriages if not mistaken but that's a bit too much), it could carry more than HK's MTR or Sg's MRT. :D

But yea....you're right........I hate NIMBYs. They dun like the MRT, they should move. Afterall, the MRT passing by TTDI is going to sky-rocket the properties there even more so they stand to gain a lot from it and move to quieter area. :yes:

patchay

February 6th, 2011, 02:18 PM

Actually what the TTDI residents are protesting is the alignment. Everyone thought it would go through commercial areas and highways but turned out it (the tracks) will be right in front of their bungalows (those on Jalan Burhanuddin Helmi, near Public Bank and Standard Chartered Saadiq).

I'm also not sure whether having the MRT STATION on top of the ramp at the intersection between Lebuh Bandar Utama and Jalan Burhanuddin Helmi is a good thing. For sure, members of Celebrity Fitness will have a good view of the MRT station. :)

Another thing, the ppl are trying to find ways to help lower the cost. Gamuda-MMC is currently having too many megaprojects on hand (the other being the Electricfied Double Trackking Projects and overseas for Gamuda, etc). Btw we are assuming Gamuda-MMC will get the tenders for the project, in anyway they have the most experience, better name (than UEM), and most importantly the STRONGEST BALANCE SHEET, that allows them to raise funds.

They also think more money can be saved to make new lines and commercial properties within the routes. Yes SPAD wanted to see where they can put in some commercial element into their route.

bukhrin

February 6th, 2011, 03:16 PM

For sure, members of Celebrity Fitness will have a good view of the MRT station. :)

Ehem. It will be people taking the MRT gawking at those people in Celebrity Fitness.

tbc

February 6th, 2011, 03:18 PM

Afterall, the MRT passing by TTDI is going to sky-rocket the properties there .....
Sky-rocket in what sense ? Value wise ?
You would pay top dollars (ringgit in this case) for a residential property with prospect of trains going clackitty-clack down your backyard ? Perhaps a survey of properties along current LRT tracks - have values sky-rocketted ?

For some people, I would imagine a major portion of their life savings could be tied up in those properties whose value will plummet if this hastily conceived MRT projek is bulldozed through. And for some of them where it's not realistically nor financially viable to do so, it would not be unlike rubbing salt into the wound (lots of it) to be told to "move out" if they don't like it, as has been suggested by at least two members here already

For what it's worth, I think it was in very bad taste

I have no idea if the two members are in any way affected by this MRT alignment issue, but I am quite confident that if you are adversely affected, you'll be singing a different tune :)

bukhrin

February 6th, 2011, 03:38 PM

How far actually for the tracks & stations have to be to become acceptable ? Just curious, would the proposed alignment take it as close to homes as the current LRT lines ? It could be valid serious concerns on the residents part or it could be downright NIMBYism as well. I guess that one is really up for debate.

On my part, I'm more concern with the Cheras segment, as it is, the problem with our LRT line here is that it goes through miles of nowhere. From Chan Sow Lin to Sg Besi, just stations at the far edge instead of center of townships.

szehoong

February 7th, 2011, 01:20 AM

Sky-rocket in what sense ? Value wise ?
You would pay top dollars (ringgit in this case) for a residential property with prospect of trains going clackitty-clack down your backyard ? Perhaps a survey of properties along current LRT tracks - have values sky-rocketted ?

For some people, I would imagine a major portion of their life savings could be tied up in those properties whose value will plummet if this hastily conceived MRT projek is bulldozed through. And for some of them where it's not realistically nor financially viable to do so, it would not be unlike rubbing salt into the wound (lots of it) to be told to "move out" if they don't like it, as has been suggested by at least two members here already

For what it's worth, I think it was in very bad taste

I have no idea if the two members are in any way affected by this MRT alignment issue, but I am quite confident that if you are adversely affected, you'll be singing a different tune :)

I am not posting here for the sake of saying things that doesn't affect me. Not in at least a thousand years that a transit line would pass thru my house but I said this in regards to the prices of houses around the existing Rapid KL LRT lines which have gone up in prices after all these years despite the "Clackitty-Clacks".

Yea.....I did mentioned about these owners selling their houses 'after' the prices have gone up because of the transit tracks which I still stand firm on my belief that this would be a win-win situation.

There had been people from Bangsar complaining about the commercialisation that creeps to all those bungalows and terrace houses but I do not see them complaining when they rent it for RM30k a month or selling em for more than 10X the price 15 years later?

For your information, my family do have a property in a pretty serene neighbourhood for more than 40 years. Those day, after rain, there would be mist covering the hills behind our houses. However due to the opening of a few new tamans nearby, our road had become the main road and Rapid KL buses ply the road too. Well......it is not as serene as it is but the house price have appreciated like 20X the original price and it is easier to rent it out. And we have moved out too. I love staying there but sometimes we have to move with the times. :yes:

daeng_jal

February 7th, 2011, 01:27 AM

szehoong

February 7th, 2011, 01:35 AM

so many people wanna underground MRT ker?

why use all ur money to serve one area,when if u spend wisely u get more,u serf more people

so do we need only 1line of fully underground MRT,or a combo of elavated/at grade n underground where it needed,and get ourself 4 lines more?

simple math jer pon

Yea......just drop the problematic TTDI and have it just pass thru 1U and then Uptown and then Tropicana Mall. :yes:

No need all the fuss to serve a problematic area. Afterall I kinda fed-up with the 'pompous folks' living at 'TTDI'. I can say this cause my mom used to work for TTDI and also we used to have a house there. I have friends and relatives there too haha :D

kl 2020 ideas

February 7th, 2011, 10:14 AM

so many people wanna underground MRT ker?

why use all ur money to serve one area,when if u spend wisely u get more,u serf more people

so do we need only 1line of fully underground MRT,or a combo of elavated/at grade n underground where it needed,and get ourself 4 lines more?

simple math jer pon

Well, what to do. We want elevated but then comes the lack of space, so we only have one option, which is to build underground. What you say is true, save money but you can spend more if used correctly. Don't just spend unnecessary
like the deco in Teluk Batik in Perak. Ugly and waste of money.

allurban

February 10th, 2011, 08:32 AM

Public display for the Sg. Buloh - Kajang Line starts on 14 February.

More information at http://wp.me/piCKq-1e7

Cheers, m

idiamindada

February 10th, 2011, 10:21 AM

who is this TRANSIT? why they sound like a politician rather than ordinary public transport users who only care about public transport?

johnsonooi

February 10th, 2011, 01:30 PM

who is this TRANSIT? why they sound like a politician rather than ordinary public transport users who only care about public transport?

Transit is a NGO who fight for better public transportation. Maybe you should visit transit website before making this comment.

daeng_jal

February 10th, 2011, 01:47 PM

^^
better,efficient and cost effective transit that work

something that the gov n even malaysian public are reluctance because they like mega project with big word like MRT preferably underground and cost multi bilion n multi years to finished

kl 2020 ideas

February 10th, 2011, 02:00 PM

who is this TRANSIT? why they sound like a politician rather than ordinary public transport users who only care about public transport?

So what? They help us get real time info. Not like you.

daeng_jal

February 10th, 2011, 02:56 PM

^^
and u are a great help because ..................:lol:

jgn marahh.hehe

tunomura

February 10th, 2011, 10:26 PM

Support TRANSIT.....no membership ke? :lol:

allurban

February 11th, 2011, 02:22 AM

MRT Open Day on 13 February at MidValley Convention Centre

http://a.yfrog.com/img619/1523/o21gk.jpg

The website is http://www.kvmrt.com.my/ - presumably, all the info will be uploaded by Monday.

Public display for the Sg. Buloh - Kajang Line starts on 14 February.

More information at http://wp.me/piCKq-1e7

Cheers, m

idiamindada

February 11th, 2011, 07:17 AM

Transit is a NGO who fight for better public transportation. Maybe you should visit transit website before making this comment.

I made the comment after i visited their website, bro. You can read that 'TRANSIT says' part that sounds like politician is speaking. The language they use, all sounds politicians....

johnsonooi

February 11th, 2011, 07:22 AM

daijoubu

February 11th, 2011, 07:46 AM

I made the comment after i visited their website, bro. You can read that 'TRANSIT says' part that sounds like politician is speaking. The language they use, all sounds politicians....

i'll second this.. transit should be more unbiased towards their comments. tho i wont say they sounded like politicians, but more of politically inclined. some of the comments did make me raise my eye brows. i am aware of their purpose, and ive been following them even before that website was up. the recent 'juxtaposition' post was very subtly written and we all know where that heading to.

my 2 cents la

kl 2020 ideas

February 11th, 2011, 09:44 AM

I made the comment after i visited their website, bro. You can read that 'TRANSIT says' part that sounds like politician is speaking. The language they use, all sounds politicians....

Man, you don't know between politicians and if there are real time updates helpers. And next, most of your post simply make noise on other people. Get a life! And ahem. Next on the line, is anyone going to the open day of the Sg.Buloh and Kajang MRT Line, please post it here and share about the alignment.

acela

February 11th, 2011, 02:05 PM

Underground eh? Actually is you go to old places like london, most of their transit is on the ground as opposed to its famous name london underground. The last time i was in london when i stayed at Hendon, north of london. The line there started on the ground until it goes near golders green then the line started going underground. The house i stayed was a banglow house and like most of the houses in Uk they have big back yard, yet still it cannot contain the sound of the train far away. Here to propose an elevated system you need to learn from i'm not sure any good elevated example which passes residential areas without ruining its look and feel/sound but from the ones already constructed in kl then i understand their concern why the would object if it passes near their homes. Its true building an undergound is very expensive compared to building on the ground or elevated, but the problems is due to lack of land near the TTDI area. Having an elevated system on a quiet residential area is a no no since it will created problems as above, then the other choices is to route it somewhere else. To have a win-win situation then studies need to be done properly. The problem is construction in Malaysia is always Malaysia Boleh! concept. So hancurlah!

silentreader

February 11th, 2011, 02:09 PM

hi guys... they already updated the sites and show the alignment:

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/?page_id=15

station views:

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/?page_id=161

daeng_jal

February 11th, 2011, 02:15 PM

nk gambar besar tak?

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/wp-content/uploads/MapKVMRTB_opt.jpg

wonder if it would make sense if there is a branch lineor a monorail from plaza pheonix to ITT BTS and another one around Pj to SZB to USJ station (interchange with KJL n comuter)

silentreader

February 11th, 2011, 02:17 PM

^
dotted line means what? underground?

station views:

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/?page_id=161

daeng_jal

February 11th, 2011, 03:21 PM

think so

not likin the underground section though

just went to najib heartland,cochrane redevelopment,KLIFD,think that is pavilion n near IPD KL there,wrisan merdeka then to KL sental,

was hoping it can go to places now not served by any rail

asd5139

February 11th, 2011, 03:23 PM

So the KL sentral station is not inside the actual KL Sentral/integrated?
or maybe inside the NU sentral? anyone?

World 2 World

February 11th, 2011, 03:29 PM

^^i saw d proposed MRT station at KL sentral before. if im not mistaken it will integrate with d monorail in front of NU sentral:)

nazrey

February 11th, 2011, 03:45 PM

MRT Open Day on 13 February at MidValley Convention Centre

http://a.yfrog.com/img619/1523/o21gk.jpg

The website is http://www.kvmrt.com.my/ - presumably, all the info will be uploaded by Monday.

Klang Valley MRT open day
Friday February 11, 2011
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2011/2/11/central/8040366&sec=central

The Klang Valley MRT Open Day, to be held on Sunday at Exhibition Hall 3, Mid Valley Convention Centre from 10am to 9pm will kickstart a three-month public display of the Sungai Buloh-Kajang line.

The event will highlight a 40ft satellite image featuring the proposed alignment of the 51km line consisting of 35 stations running from Sungai Buloh to Kajang.

The open day will be followed by a public display at seven locations for three months from Feb 14 to May 14.

The locations are at the premises of the Kuala Lumpur City Hall, Petaling Jaya City Council, Shah Alam City Council, Selayang Municipal Council and Kajang Municipal Council as well as at Bangsar LRT Station and the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) office in Menara Dayabumi.

SPAD chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar said the public should take this opportunity to visit the display and provide constructive feedback for SPAD to evaluate and act accordingly.

idiamindada

February 11th, 2011, 04:17 PM

^^i saw d proposed MRT station at KL sentral before. if im not mistaken it will integrate with d monorail in front of NU sentral:)

yup, it was posted before....

World 2 World

February 11th, 2011, 05:58 PM

^^

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1462/klss.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/728/kls2.jpg

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8540/14633674.jpg

lohxy

February 12th, 2011, 02:38 AM

So we have to walk bengkang-bengkok to reach KL Sentral.

allurban

February 12th, 2011, 03:18 AM

I made the comment after i visited their website, bro. You can read that 'TRANSIT says' part that sounds like politician is speaking. The language they use, all sounds politicians....TRANSIT has to deal with politicians so we have to speak their language.

Otherwise, how to get the message across?

i'll second this.. transit should be more unbiased towards their comments. tho i wont say they sounded like politicians, but more of politically inclined. some of the comments did make me raise my eye brows. i am aware of their purpose, and ive been following them even before that website was up. the recent 'juxtaposition' post was very subtly written and we all know where that heading to.

my 2 cents lathe juxtaposition post was not meant to be subtle - it was a straight out observation & comment on the placement of the MRT Public Display notice - which was definitely not a coincidence.

We want the government & all politicians of all sides to be on notice that the public are aware of the way that ideas can be spun and announcements can be placed and action & inaction can happen.

As the new phrase goes, "Little Brother is Watching You"

Frankly, our only bias is towards building the best public transport system for Malaysia, making the best use of the money that we have, as soon as it is possible. We cannot & will not compromise on that.

Cheers, m

allurban

February 12th, 2011, 03:20 AM

^^i saw d proposed MRT station at KL sentral before. if im not mistaken it will integrate with d monorail in front of NU sentral:)So we have to walk bengkang-bengkok to reach KL Sentral.

from what I can surmise, the MRT will actually not be following the same route through NU Sentral - but I guess we find out tomorrow.

Cheers, m

nazrey

February 12th, 2011, 05:47 AM

I heard that there will be almost underground stations in city centre then maybe you'll get subway station around KL Sentral according to this route map
nk gambar besar tak?
http://kvmrt.com.my/w/wp-content/uploads/MapKVMRTB_opt.jpg

asd5139

February 12th, 2011, 07:13 AM

silentreader

February 12th, 2011, 07:58 AM

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/wp-content/uploads/pic2.jpeg

This train looks nice. Anyone know the model of this train?

kenni-c

February 13th, 2011, 04:19 PM

^^ true.. and from the alignment we can say that the 'kl sentral' station is pretty far from the actual kl sentral station and no sign of integration with the monorail too... no blue circle in the map.

In fact, the station is so close to Muzium Negara it should be named as such to avoid confusion like how the separate LRT and KTM stations Salak Selatan and Sentul have created. Although there will be a proposed pedestrian link, it will in my opinion, create a situation like the Monorail KL Sentral. What a misleading naming system.

Imagine the disappointment you will face when you only get to know you have to walk 20 minutes from MRT KL Sentral to Monorail KL Sentral upon arrival at the station despite the seemingly convenient transfer as depicted in the transit map.

Also, I don't see a direct interchange station of the MRT with the Sri Petaling line (the nearest being at Merdeka changing to Plaza Rakyat ala BktNanas-Dang Wangi). Otherwise you will have to change at Maluri then change at ChanSowLin.. What a hassle..

All in all, I realise that while the alignment and the areas the MRT will serve is pretty well executed (especially in the city centre) the effectiveness of interchange is still very questionable. So far I only see that Pasar Seni and Maluri are well integrated to the network, apart from the terminals with KTM.

kenni-c

February 13th, 2011, 04:25 PM

I see that there will be interesting development in the Pasar Rakyat and Cochrane areas. The controversial KLIFD will probably dominate the Pasar Rakyat area but I'm quite interested in what's gonna happen in Cochrane.

From the open day, I heard that a downtown IKEA is planned and the surrounding area will be gentrified like Bandar Utama. :)

ericyong

February 13th, 2011, 06:04 PM

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patchay

February 13th, 2011, 06:21 PM

it will be nice if they make it 60km... short of another 9km.

Put more stations in KL area and bypass Current Corporate Offices areas pls. Example: in front of Wisma Genting.

Bandar Sg Long, Damansara Uptown/Tropicana City deserve stations. Why not start in Kepong to Sungai Buloh KTM then to Kajang?

I was there for longgg................................. and even got interviewed by NST... I said everything is GOOD but still can IMPROVE.

Anyway here's Patchay's Concluding Comments:

1. No mention of Sg Buloh ITT transport hub (for North)

2. Spoken to Mutiara Damansara resident who not too happy with the line so close to homes. I think more info need to be provided to affected residents.

3. The Curve and 1Utama stations seem to be "too close". Would love if See Hoy Chan proposed to integrate both stations into 1 at the Central Park carpark area since New Wing and IKEA will not be too far. This will further become a transport hub for express coaches going to Genting, Singapore and the new KLIA2 (AirAsia bus hub in PJ).

4. Was told it's difficult to get into Damansara Uptown and Tropicana City area since there's no road reserve, 2 ramps and dangerous turns at bottleneck.

5. No mention how KL Sentral station will be linked to the "real KL Sentral Station" or even Nu Sentral and Monorail. It is not an integrated stop and hopefully there'll be a Mid Valley-The Gardens ala bridge that cuts through QSENTRAL OR ST REGIS.

6. Warisan Merdeka 100-storey building was mentioned and shown.

7. Why the need for 2 stations at Bukit Bintang? According to KVMRT ppl, there's huge traffic. No integration with Monorail there.

8. I hope they change Pasar Rakyat name to KLIFD in the future.

9. You may change Taman Bukit Mewah to Taman Midah for commercial/marketing purposes.

10. MISTAKE! Taman Suntex come first before Taman Cuepacs???? I tot is another way round. (Cheras ppl pls clarify?)

11. I think Bandar Sg Long deserve a station. Lotsa young and students there.

12. The name "Bandar Kajang" and "Kajang" is confusing.

13. NO indication of station length and no indication of FUTURE EXPANSION.

14. NO indication of INTEGRATION with FUTURE MRT Lines.

(pls correct my mistakes and share ideas?)

idiamindada

February 14th, 2011, 04:20 AM

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 06:43 AM

Too close to Plaza Rakyat. Brings not so good memories. :(

patchay

February 14th, 2011, 06:46 AM

i can see there will be a KLIFD MRT station. so they are serious about that KLIFD huh? :okay:

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8. I hope they change Pasar Rakyat name to KLIFD in the future.

^^Pat, although KLIFD gonna be a major project, the name 'Pasar Rakyat' is easier to pronounce :D

KLIFD is a relocation of financial firms to what is known as "KL Wall Street". :lol: A more simple example is Singapore's Shenton Way. Probably our Wall Street can be very famous as Islamic Finance Centre with all the nation flags flying along the "financial boulevard" and rows and rows of Merc, BMW.

Btw if you translate Wall Street to Bahasa you'll get Jalan Dinding! :lol: :lol: :lol:

kl 2020 ideas

February 14th, 2011, 08:43 AM

KLIFD is a relocation of financial firms to what is known as "KL Wall Street". :lol: A more simple example is Singapore's Shenton Way. Probably our Wall Street can be very famous as Islamic Finance Centre with all the nation flags flying along the "financial boulevard" and rows and rows of Merc, BMW.

Btw if you translate Wall Street to Bahasa you'll get Jalan Dinding! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, KL Wall Street is a excellent idea to start up with. And true, the translation of Wall Street is Jalan Dinding. The fact we do really need a version of Wall Street. Or we can be like London's Paternoster Square.

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 09:54 AM

OK, the area near Masjid Jamek where we have all the Banks HQ was called Jalan Benteng. Not sure if anyone still remember that tho. Probably translate to English as Embankment, but close enough larr I guess

dengilo

February 14th, 2011, 10:20 AM

Dont overlook the river too a good part of the tunnel from masjid jamek to kampung bahru is right under the river!!!

daeng_jal

February 14th, 2011, 10:38 AM

not enough station in the golden triangle
poor connection with other line

weirdly a whole lot of line serve puduraya area,tpi yg byk high rise office are not serve by train.

anyway,anyone know what najib is cooking up at cockrenne,last time i see a map stated IKEA are there

razpatrol99

February 14th, 2011, 11:18 AM

allurban

February 14th, 2011, 07:49 PM

i thought there will be a circle line later on that will serve golden triangle.. or is it just a rumors???circle line will be outside the Golden Triangle except for the eastern portion which will have some kind of interchange ... but the details are not very clear.

Cheers, m

patchay

February 15th, 2011, 02:22 AM

Commuters looking forward to smoother ride
2011/02/15
http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/14pud/Article

KUALA LUMPUR: The proposed Sungai Buloh-Kajang mass rapid transit (MRT) line received some positive views from visitors at the MRT Open Day at Mid Valley Megamall on Sunday. The open day, the Exhibition Hall 3, Mid Valley Convention Centre, featured detailed information on the proposed project.

Kota Damansara resident Zailan Arabee Abdul Salam, 35, welcomed the project.

"I think that this is a good idea by the government to provide a sustainable transport system for residents of the Klang Valley.

"I am also happy to see that there is going to be a route running through our area. We support this project, not only for us, but for our future generations."

Ayinalin Annuar, 35, also of Kota Damansara was excited about the project. She said residents in her area would benefit from the project.

"Kota Damansara is densely populated and we believe that the MRT will be able to cater to our transport needs"

Taman Midah, Cheras resident John Nainan, 71 said it was good idea by the government to implement a comprehensive transportation project linking Sungai Buloh to Kajang.

"We are pleased with the proposed route and we believe that the MRT project will encourage more people to use public transport and reduce traffic congestion in the city."

Patrick Chay, 24, of Damansara Utama was very pleased to see the proposed MRT route running through his neighbourhood.

"Overall the proposed MRT line looks good. I would like to suggest that the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) look into including a route going through Damansara Uptown. The area is densely populated and those living and working there will benefit if there is a MRT station.

"Soon, we will be connected to the city centre and this will be good because we don't have to drive and we will be able to save fuel, parking charges and avoid getting caught in the horrendous traffic jam."

(btw that is Patchay) :lol:

The three-month public display on the proposed project will go on a roadshow to Kuala Lumpur City Hall, Petaling Jaya City Council, Shah Alam City Council, Selayang Municipal Council, Kajang Municipal Council, Bangsar LRT Station and the SPAD office at Menara Dayabumi from Feb 14 to May 14.

Meanwhile, Bandar Sri Damansara residents' association president Ravindran Raman Kutty praised the proposed MRT project.

However, he was disappointed to find that the route would not pass through his township.

"This is a very good project by the government but we feel that our area has been left out. This is a densely populated area and I believe that the planners should have engaged people in this area to find out their needs."

Ravindran said most of the residents in Bandar Seri Damanasra, Damansara Perdana, Damansara Damai and Rahman Putra would benefit from having a MRT station in their areas.

Bukit Bandaraya residents' association deputy president Mumtaz Ali said MRT planners should avoid running the line through neighbourhoods.

"The planners should study the proposed routes and ensure that all the densely populated areas are covered. They should also align the route through commercial areas and avoid running the line through someone's backyard."

Joint Action Committee for Bukit Gasing's Gary Yeoh said the planners should include Petaling Jaya in the MRT route.

"Petaling Jaya, being a city, should not be left out of the equation.

"The area is densely populated and there should be a MRT station there."

Bukit Damansara residents' association committee member George G. S. Gill said: "Although the project looks good, there should be frequent feeder (bus) services and park and ride facilities once the MRT project is completed. This will encourage more people to use public transport."

Gill also said his only qualm about the project was the proposal for the line running through his area to be elevated and not underground.

"The line starts to go underground right after the Semantan station. We would like to suggest that the line start going underground in-front of the Victoria Station at Bukit Damansara.

(Victoria Station Steakhouse along Jalan Damansara)

"There will be no noise if the line is running underground."

Divided opinions over MRT project
2011/02/15
By Minderjeet Kaur and Noel Achariam
news@nst.com.my

KUALA LUMPUR: About half of respondents agree that the first proposed mass rapid transit line from Sungai Buloh to Kajang will save time, cost and reduce congestion while the other half say it will cause noise, dust and floods. Some of the respondents also wanted to know if they would be resettled. The findings of the environmental impact assessment (EIA) report was released yesterday by the Department of Environment.

The survey, by ERE Consulting Group Sdn Bhd, had interviewed 700 residents in the affected areas.

The EIA further reported that 473 lots of land would likely be acquired for the Sungai Buloh-Kajang (SBK) Line.

Of this, 103 are located between the Sungai Buloh and Semantan, 163 over the underground section of the line and 207 between Maluri and Kajang.

The report also proposed acquiring entire rows of houses rather than allowing just a few standing in the midst of incompatible land use and further refine alignment to minimise land and property acquisition.

It also wanted the developer to continue engaging with affected land and property owners in critical areas such as Taman Tun Dr Ismail, Taman Suntex, Kampung Sungai Sekamat Kg Batu 10, and Kampung Sungai Balak.

It also wanted special attention to be paid to the residents of Kg Sg Balak since they would have been affected by land acquisition for the third time.

Traffic congestion at Bukit Bintang, and along elevated stations at Persiaran Surian, 1Utama and Jalan Semantan are expected.

Existing carriageways at Phoenix Plaza, Taman Mesra and Bandar Kajang station will be affected. The four-lane Jalan Cheras and Jalan Semenyih will be reduced to two lanes.

The report proposed proper warning signs and flagmen to manage traffic flow and maintain as many lanes as possible at major roads. Dump lorries should operate during off-peak traffic hours.

However, the report added that in the long run there would be less traffic on these roads as more people would use the MRT.

It added that underground works could cause sinkholes and proposed for tests to be carried out on groundwater leakage before excavation works were carried out.

Some 3,400 construction workers are expected to be involved when work goes into full swing and majority of them will be housed at the Taman Koperasi depot.

The immediate spin-offs from the construction are job opportunities and higher demand for housing, food and other goods and services in Sungai Buloh, Kajang and Damansara.

Communities living within 500m of the line will enjoy better public transport services and facilities when the SBK Line is completed.

People living near the proposed stations will be able to walk to the stations while those who live further will be connected to the stations through feeder buses.

It added that the SBK Line would greatly benefit thousands of people in the Klang Valley as commuters would be able to travel in comfort at speeds of between 36kph and 100kph.

It will also improve air quality in the Klang Valley -- at least 34,400 tonnes of CO2 emissions per year could be cut with fewer vehicles on the road.

nazrey

February 17th, 2011, 04:37 AM

No logical reason to reject MRT
Making a Point - By Jagdev Singh Sidhu
Thursday February 17, 2011
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/2/17/business/8079175&sec=business

AS a person who was born, and lives, in Kuala Lumpur, I recall with fond nostalgia how the city used to be.

The memory of an easy pace when traffic was tolerable and the daily temperature much cooler than today brings a smile on my face. As a kid, I could ride my bicycle anywhere. Alas, such simple pleasures are almost elusive for the current generation.

Development has brought many more Malaysians into KL, and green lungs have made way for concrete jungles. To keep up with such developments, the road network has been expanded dramatically and traffic flows oscillated over the years between the rising number of cars and the ever-improving road network.

But I feel the roads in Kuala Lumpur are now reaching their full capacity with traffic jams becoming more intolerable each day.

The solution for this, as it has been for years now, is to improve the public transport system in the Klang Valley. Piecemeal efforts to upgrade the bus system and have a limited light rail transit (LRT) service, which I would say does a burgeoning city like KL an injustice, have not worked as the share of public transport in the Klang Valley out of total transportation usage has fallen over the years.

The executive summary of the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA), which is on the department of environment's website, states that public transport had seen a decline in its transport share from 34% in 1985 to 18% in 2009 and that populous areas such as Cheras and Damansara are not being served by rail-based systems.

The report goes on to espouse the benefits of mass rapid transit (MRT), and there is no denying the economic and productivity benefits such a system will bring.

The EIA report contained a survey of residents along the Sungai Buloh-to-Kajang route and nearly 88% of the respondents agreed with the MRT being built notwithstanding the concerns it might cause.

The report said 82% of the people surveyed would use the MRT after it was built.

Building the train line will, however, affect quite a number of residents and businesses as the current proposed alignment will lead to homes and businesses having to be compulsorily acquired at market rates. No one likes to be displaced and most people will empathise with those affected.

The best solution is to build the entire network underground. The MRT does not have a lifespan of 20 or 50 years but in excess of 100 years as what London has shown the world.

But if cost is an obstacle that cannot be crossed, then the current suggestion of building the tracks on top of the main arteries will have to do but there will be consequences.

The main one will be noise. The EIA report does indicate noise pollution will increase but it showed the increase is not huge across the board and, at some areas already choked with cars, the added noise is honestly negligible. Furthermore, the noise levels at where the MRT proposes to ply its route currently already exceeds the maximum recommendation with the exception of two areas.

The other will be congestion. There is no doubt that when the MRT is being constructed, the roads affected will be like hell on earth, if it isn't the case already. But it's a short-term pain for long-term gain just like the other road upgrades city folks have endured in the past.

But once completed, the MRT system will ferry people from the population centres to their workplace, thereby allowing people to leave their cars at home.

Having that luxury will also save people money in terms of fuel, parking and wear-and-tear of their vehicles. Another future cost city folks will save on is congestion charges for driving into the city, something that may well see the light of day in the future.

On concerns over increased theft after the MRT is built, I feel most people have overstated that worry. I doubt crooks will be looking at using the MRT for a quick getaway after committing their caper.

Maybe the presence of a large number of foreign workers during the construction stage may cause uneasiness, but that's really no different than foreign workers staying in a house in the neighbourhood where renovation work is ongoing.

People will say that the MRT stations will cause congestion. Looking at the LRT stations in town or the commuter stations elsewhere, I don't think that has been the case and I don't see such fears manifesting itself once the 35 stations along the Sungai Buloh-Kajang route is constructed.

Fear of illegal parking can be swiftly dealt with with a consistent enforcement of existing laws.

People say Malaysians don't really want to walk too far to catch a train or a bus but I feel an efficient MRT system will bring about a change in such attitude. For one, the feeder bus service has to leave no room for disgruntlement and I suggest that operators of the MRT set up parking bays for bicycles. I for one do not mind hopping on a bicycle for a short pedal to and from the MRT station on a daily basis.

On a final note, as a resident of Taman Tun Dr Ismail, I will, after weighing the pros and cons of the arguments being put forward by all parties, welcome the building of an MRT station near my neighbourhood. And I know I am not alone in this.

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Deputy news editor Jagdev Singh Sidhu wonders if residents of the Klang Valley will ever get to enjoy using a timetable to plan their daily travel.

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 05:04 AM

Rich say don’t need MRT, but poor welcome it
By Boo Su-Lyn February 17, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/rich-say-dont-need-mrt-but-poor-welcome-it/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 17 — Wealthy residents have dismissed the need for the Klang Valley mass rapid transit (MRT) system, unlike low-income earners who hailed it for its convenience.

Damansara Heights residents’ association president Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Abd Rahaman said his neighbours would likely not use the MRT as they preferred to drive their luxury cars.

“They’ll still go on their Jaguars,” Abdul Aziz told The Malaysian Insider recently.

“People in our area will not use this (the MRT). People from other areas... pass through our area to go to town. That makes the whole place jammed (already),” he added.

Abdul Aziz also pointed out that land was scarce in the affluent neighbourhood, which counts ministers, tycoons and top civil servants as among its residents.

“[There is] no more land in our area. The whole place will be congested,” said Abdul Aziz, a one-time managing director of flag carrier Malaysia Airlines.

“So we want to know exactly where is it and how are they going to plan to do it,” he added.

Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) residents’ association president Mohd Hatim Abdullah also said his neighbours were unlikely to use the TTDI station, which will be located near the TTDI market.

“People who live there already own four or five cars,” said Hatim.

He added that TTDI residents in Kuala Lumpur also objected to the 1Utama MRT station as it would likely worsen traffic congestion on the Damansara-Puchong Expressway (LDP).

“The LDP now is very congested. During construction period, what will happen to the traffic?” he asked.

“They (the MRT stations) are both at our entry and exit points,” he added.

Hatim pointed out that the proposed location of the 1Utama station was on TTDI land next to the LDP headed towards Kuala Lumpur.

He said TTDI residents wanted the 1Utama station to be moved to a more suitable location nearby, such as the Bandar Utama golf driving range.

The driving range is located behind the 1Utama shopping mall in Petaling Jaya.

“The driving range is perfect,” said Hatim, pointing out that it was larger than the current proposed location.

The RM36.6 billion Klang Valley MRT project will have 35 stations along its first line that stretches 51km from Sungai Buloh to Kajang with four rail interchanges, according to documents released in the project website.

Eight stations between KL Sentral and Maluri will be underground as 9.5km of the Sungai Buloh-Kajang (SBK) line will be built under the capital city.

Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) CEO Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal has reportedly said that the cost of underground works would be five to 10 times higher on a per km basis if the line were to go underground, depending on geological conditions.

Groundworks for the SBK line is due to start this July 16 and will be completed in 2016.

There are two other proposed lines under the MRT.

Hatim also suggested that the TTDI station be relocated to Damansara Uptown, a commercial area.

“It can serve Taman Tun, Tropicana shopping centre, Uptown, DJ (Damansara Jaya), DU (Damansara Utama), (and) Damansara Kim. That area’s perfect,” said Hatim.

Sunway Damansara residents said The Curve MRT station would mar the aesthetic image of their neighbourhood in Petaling Jaya.

“If you look at it, Sunway Damansara and the surrounding areas, Mutiara Damansara, are basically hot market areas,” said Sunway Damansara residents’ association president Winslow Wong.

“With the massive columns to support the MRT line, it’s not going to contribute to the aesthetic value,” he added.

Wong pointed out that the MRT station would cause massive traffic jams on Persiaran Surian, which is already congested during peak hours.

“Persiaran Surian is already very narrow with condominiums on both sides, especially nearer to The Curve,” said Wong.

An environmental impact assessment (EIA) report by the project’s environmental consultant ERE Consulting Group warned that significant traffic congestion would affect Persiaran Surian, the LDP and Jalan Semantan in Damansara Heights.

Bandar Utama residents similarly expressed concerns about traffic congestion that may potentially be caused by the 1 Utama and The Curve MRT stations.

“We are worried about the traffic,” said Bandar Utama residents’ association chairman Lim See Meng.

“The jam will be... backed up all the way to DU,” he said.

Low income-owners like the residents of Kampung Sungai Balak in Kajang, however, welcomed Malaysia’s largest infrastructure project.

“If the project does not affect our houses, we have no problem,” said village head Mohd Tahir Salleh.

The EIA report released on Monday said Kampung Sungai Balak residents may be forced out of their homes, which will be the third time they are affected by land acquisition.

But Tahir said the public display of the alignment showed that the proposed Taman Mesra MRT station avoided the village.

“It involves empty landlots... and goes through old roads,” said Tahir.

Batu 11 Cheras residents also supported the MRT project.

“It is very convenient for our area. So far, no complaints,” said Batu 11 Cheras village head Alex Neo.

Affluent neighbourhoods in other countries have similarly opposed big-ticket development projects that are proposed near them, using initiatives which are termed “Not In My Backyard” (NIMBY).

NIMBY protests reportedly stopped the construction of a railway line from Glasgow Central to East Kilbride in Scotland in 1989. The proposal had involved tunnelling under residents’ back gardens.

The MRT is an entry-point project identified for the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley National Key Economic Area under the Economic Transformation Programme.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said last December that the implementation of the project is expected to generate a gross national income (GNI) of between RM3 billion and RM4 billion beginning in 2011 until 2020.

He had said that between RM8 billion and RM12 billion was expected to be generated in terms of spin-offs from the construction of the MRT project.

The proposed alignment map for the SBK line is up for public viewing until May 14 at seven locations across the city.

They are Kuala Lumpur City Hall, Petaling Jaya City Council, Shah Alam City Council, Selayang Municipal Council, Kajang Municipal Council as well as the Bangsar LRT station and the SPAD office in Menara Dayabumi.

The public can provide their feedback on the project via email to feedback@kvmrt.com.my or through the SPAD toll free line at 1-800-82-6868.

The detailed environmental assessment impact report has been uploaded for public viewing at the Department of Environment’s website.

PJ firms, folk want MRT under their backyard
By Boo Su-Lyn and Lee Wei Lian
February 17, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pj-firms-folk-want-mrt-under-their-backyard/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 17 — Residents and businesses in Petaling Jaya want the mammoth Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project to go underground, saying an elevated line cutting across their land-scarce neighbourhoods will cause noise and visual pollution.

Land transport officials have often blamed the cost of tunnelling as the reason for proposing elevated tracks but resident association leaders point out that rail tracks last for years and will serve many generations.

The proposed multi-billion ringgit Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is 51km long, of which 9.5km is a subway under the capital city centre.

Mall owners in the affected vicinity of Petaling Jaya suburbs acknowledge the higher costs but suggest that the additional expenditure can be offset by underground malls that can be built adjacent to the stations.

Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) residents’ association president Mohd Hatim Abdullah said the government should put the line underground as the residential area was already developed. Most TTDI residents have also expressed opposition to the project.

“This (TTDI) is a developed area. There’s no other choice but to build underground,” he told The Malaysian Insider. “It’ll cost... more, but it’ll last 200 to 300 years.”

Damansara Heights residents’ association president Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Abd Rahaman concurred with Hatim and said an underground option was better due to land scarcity.

“No more land in our area. The whole place will be congested,” said Abdul Aziz.

Dato' Teo Chiang Kok, director of See Hoy Chan Holdings, which developed the popular 1Utama mall in Bandar Utama, expressed concern that an elevated track along the narrow Persiaran Surian connecting Mutiara Damansara with Kota Damansara will become a “permanent hindrance”.

“There are no MRT reserves and buffers allocated, and the trains will run very close to homes and offices,” said Teo. “The routing of the elevated track is confined to the routing of Persiaran Surian and the LDP and the stations are not ideally located to cater for highest ridership and miss the high-density commercial and residential areas.”

Teo noted there will be higher construction costs for an underground line but said that it could be funded by retail development.

“It is acknowledged that going underground will be more costly than the elevated track but the residents felt that their long-term interests, noise and pollution, environment, traffic congestion and right to sun-light should take precedence,” he said. “The higher cost can be mitigated with the development of underground shopping facilities adjacent to the underground MRT Stations.”

He added that residents of Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, Sunway Tropicana, Bandar Utama and TTDI wanted the MRT to go underground with a station located between 1Utama and The Curve shopping mall, along with underground “park and ride” facilities.

“The elevated line with the proposed MRT stations at Surian Tower and 1Utama do not have the ability to provide park & ride car parking facilities,” he stressed.

Sunway Damansara residents’ association president Winslow Wong said while people living in the area were supportive of the MRT, they were wary of a heavy rail line slashing across their neighbourhood and suggested that it be built underground.

“With the massive columns to support the MRT line, it’s not going to contribute to the aesthetic value,” he added.

In many developed countries, consideration for public transport is built into all developments including reserving land for future rail corridors that allow trains to be built either elevated or at grade with large stations and minimal disruption to the surrounding community.

Land Public Transport Commission officials have privately said they are now struggling with the legacy problems they have inherited, including poor planning by local authorities and trying to integrate disparate LRT, KTM Komuter and monorail lines into a unified system.

They also expressed frustration that there was a long hiatus between the completion of the LRT lines in 1998 and the start of the KL MRT this year, a 13-year absence of investment in city rail that has set KL far behind its counterparts in the region such as Singapore, Bangkok and Hong Kong.

Industry observers familiar with the MRT project said, however, that it is not just the cost of going underground that is prohibitive but also the precedence that it will set.

“If you go underground in the Petaling Jaya area, the people in Cheras and Kajang can also say — what about us?” said one rail industry veteran. “Then there is not only the initial construction cost but also added cost that comes from maintenance of an underground system. We don’t have the kind of funding that China, Singapore and Hong Kong have.”

An environment impact assessment (EIA) prepard by the Department of Environment said that communities along the line would be affected by noise and dust once the trains are operational.

The noisiest area will be around Jalan Bukit Ledang, Damansara Heights, which is expected to suffer noise levels of 81dB, which a study says is louder than conventional alarm clocks.

Noise and dust will largely affect those within 30m of the rail line, which include 2,080 landed residential units, 2,980 units of condominium and apartments and 1,000 units of flats.

$jimbo$

February 17th, 2011, 05:57 AM

KLK

February 17th, 2011, 07:56 AM

I'm going to pop along to Mid-Valley and check out the details on the w/e, but looking at their website, it looks as though they have only released the details on the SB-Kajang line?

I'm particularly interested to see how Mont Kiara and Hartamas fit into the wider project. In particular, station location. I know some residents wanted it underground, but then who doesn't right....

TWK90

February 17th, 2011, 08:26 AM

KLK

February 17th, 2011, 08:34 AM

That is the because Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is the first line going to be implemented.

The other lines may come later.

That's what i figured.

I've heard that a MK/hartamas stop would be near Laman Suria/Garden International School or behind Souled Out on the Desa Sri Hartamas side.

Just have to wait and see...

allurban

February 18th, 2011, 02:09 AM

KLK

February 18th, 2011, 02:21 AM

MidValley was an Open Day, you would be better off to go to Bangsar LRT station concourse (or one of the other offices).

Cheers, m

Thanks for the heads-up.

idiamindada

February 18th, 2011, 05:32 AM

allurban

February 18th, 2011, 06:02 AM

i've passed by the TTDI heading to Damansara Perdana and there was a massive traffic congestion. but peoples in TTDI still don't want MRT….

so, enjoy the traffic jam, bros….!:hi:

at least they have something to blame authority for another some period of times...from my own experience living in the area for 2 years, the only part of TTDI that is really jam is Jalan Damansara - and then only from traffic building back from the traffic lights and the partial interchange with the LDP.

Of course when volumes are high in the afternoon peak it is really horrible, traffic can back up all the way past the toll plaza.

I remember some times that traffic was so heavy & jammed up that I couldn't even my motorcycle through the toll plaza!

Now that the second flyover is built, there is supposed to be another underpass ramp (http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2011/2/19/central/8095999&sec=central) built - but I cannot remember if it is supposed to take traffic from Jalan Damansara to the LDP or take traffic from the LDP to Jalan Damansara.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2011/2/19/central/m_02TTDI.jpg

Either way, when it is completed the traffic will "flow" a bit more - until they start construction of the MRT of course.

I cannot recall, were there objections from the TTDI residents living on the north side of Jalan Damansara (at LDP) about the ramp? I know there were objections on the D'sara Uptown side.

Cheers, m

KLK

February 18th, 2011, 07:39 AM

rizalhakim

February 18th, 2011, 09:25 AM

'MRT project to boost certain properties'
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20110218143015/Article/index_html

daeng_jal

February 18th, 2011, 01:24 PM

I think the objections were, like a lot of places, not to the MRT per se, rather that it would be elevated and run straight through the middle of their neighbourhood (i.e. would be ugly) rather than run underground.

not just MRT
elavated highway, flyover n road are ugly too
move it down lah,

in fact i think building are ugly too,compared to the green forest it was onces were, so maybe we should bury it too

allurban

February 18th, 2011, 07:34 PM

I think the objections were, like a lot of places, not to the MRT per se, rather that it would be elevated and run straight through the middle of their neighbourhood (i.e. would be ugly) rather than run underground.those ppl should take a closer look at their neighbourhoods now ... lots of them are pretty ugly in general, MRT might blend right in.

For me, the ugliest thing is a low-density, poorly planned neighbourhood full of haphazardly parked cars. Even an industrial site has a certain beauty & mystery & purpose to it.

Cheers, m

hazlan

February 19th, 2011, 12:37 PM

hazlan

February 19th, 2011, 12:45 PM

not just MRT
elavated highway, flyover n road are ugly too
move it down lah,

in fact i think building are ugly too,compared to the green forest it was onces were, so maybe we should bury it too

they are all selfish poeples....

kalau buat elevated highway utk their fancy cars, tak pulak complain...
even though the elevated highway tu cross thru miskin flats, miskin flat poeples never complain...
but these rich peoples feels like they have special right to live this world without knowing the fact that they are sharing this world with other peoples..i dont know if the rich poeples think they can to take all their TTDI and damansara things to their kubur once they die...

hazlan

February 19th, 2011, 12:57 PM

from my own experience living in the area for 2 years, the only part of TTDI that is really jam is Jalan Damansara - and then only from traffic building back from the traffic lights and the partial interchange with the LDP.

Of course when volumes are high in the afternoon peak it is really horrible, traffic can back up all the way past the toll plaza.

I remember some times that traffic was so heavy & jammed up that I couldn't even my motorcycle through the toll plaza!

Now that the second flyover is built, there is supposed to be another underpass ramp (http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2011/2/19/central/8095999&sec=central) built - but I cannot remember if it is supposed to take traffic from Jalan Damansara to the LDP or take traffic from the LDP to Jalan Damansara.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2011/2/19/central/m_02TTDI.jpg

Either way, when it is completed the traffic will "flow" a bit more - until they start construction of the MRT of course.

I cannot recall, were there objections from the TTDI residents living on the north side of Jalan Damansara (at LDP) about the ramp? I know there were objections on the D'sara Uptown side.

Cheers, m

once there's MRT, less cars on road maa... why so paranoid about not enuff space or crammed things....by the time MRT finish, all the complaint makers already retired, stay at home lor.... by that time their ears also pekak2 sudah kurang dengar, so no need to complain about noise lor.... and their children not sure yet become rich poeple or also take MRT lor.... :lol:
moral of the stroy, let be tolerable....

ashraf abdullah

February 19th, 2011, 01:26 PM

ala..pe susah..
just build it underground.
i convince those affluents won't think to dig their grave till 50metres deep.LOL~~

t3ars_culprit

February 19th, 2011, 03:10 PM

Very easy once the MRT are completed petrol price will be skyrocketed..
Till then they will enjoy high price petrol.. perhaps petrol price are 2x or 3x the price now??

patchay

February 19th, 2011, 03:23 PM

szehoong

February 19th, 2011, 04:49 PM

ala..pe susah..
just build it underground.
i convince those affluents won't think to dig their grave till 50metres deep.LOL~~

$$$ lah bro......

Anyway the Uber-Riche would have their super expensive graves at Nirvana or Nilai and there are no tunnels there :D

shasujka

February 19th, 2011, 04:52 PM

Some people of Damansara: "I don't care! I want the govt to abolish tolls and NOT build MRT behind my house."

Some people of Damansara: "Wah.. MRT is good. Good for my business! But I won't take MRT, though."

Some people of Damansara: "Now soo jam ared, still want to build MRT arh? I think MRT will make our roads more jam, worst than now."

Some people of Damansara: "I see the MRT project as a goodie project to win back votes for you know who lah..."

perangai macam ni dah biasa kat msia. aku rasa masalahnya diorg dah hilang pecaya kat kerajaan. kerajaan pun satu hal jugak, kalo betul-betul jaga kebajikan, kurangkan politik yang melebih-lebih, skandal korupsi yang tak-tau-cakap-apa-la, rakyat tak berperangai macam tu. ada yag kata MRT ni rush job, betul ke rush job? bukan benda ni dah studi bertahun-tahun ke? padalal memang kena cepat pun,haih... dah cepat pun salah, lambat pun salah, pastu nak apa?:ohno:

szehoong

February 19th, 2011, 04:54 PM

shasujka

February 19th, 2011, 04:56 PM

$$$ lah bro......

Anyway the Uber-Riche would have their super expensive graves at Nirvana or Nilai and there are no tunnels there :D

nanti ubah jadi underground, nilai projek naik salah kerajaan lagi. LOL

travellator

February 19th, 2011, 05:07 PM

Came across this report fr BBC News, seems that arguments against new rail networks NIMBY is all the rage.

19 February 2011
High-speed rail campaigners gather for national meeting

Hundreds of campaigners against the planned high-speed rail line (HS2) are staging a national convention ahead of government consultation.

The £33bn rail link would cut journey times between London and Birmingham, but campaigners said the scheme was not environmentally and economically sound.

More than 500 people are at Stoneleigh Park in Warwickshire for the event organised by protest group Stop HS2.

A six-month consultation process is expected to start next month.

The line would start at a redeveloped Euston station in central London and terminate at a new station at Curzon Street/Fazeley Street in Birmingham's Eastside regeneration area. HS2 would join the West Coast Main Line near Lichfield.
'Not valid'

Some residents in Northamptonshire, Warwickshire, Buckinghamshire and Staffordshire are against the scheme and several councils along the route have already voted to oppose the plans.

Chancellor George Osborne said last month that 8,000 jobs would be created as part of the plans.

Speaking to BBC News, former transport secretary Lord Adonis, who introduced the plans last year when the previous Labour government was in power, said campaigners' suggestions it would be better to invest in the West Coast mainline instead were not valid.

"I'm afraid none of those objections are valid, though of course I completely understand why those people who live on the line of the route are objecting," he said.

"It always happens when you have infrastructure projects, that those who live near where they're being proposed object vigorously and, of course, what they do is to try and draw in wider arguments.

"But virtually the whole of the developed world is now going ahead with high speed rail because it's the green solution to providing fast, high capacity connections between cities."

But Lizzy Williams, chairman of the Stop HS2 organisation, said the route would only benefit London and there was no economic or environmental case for it.

"The business case (for HS2) does not promise economic growth that will benefit the country," she said.

"It is London who will be the winner overall.

"What about Wales, what about the South West, what about the rural economies?

"It relies on laughable passenger forecasts and takes no account of the changing world we live in."

Route amended

The planned 250mph route aims to cut journey times between London and Birmingham to 49 minutes.

There are also plans to extend the link to Manchester and Leeds.

The former Labour government first announced the proposals last March and they were later backed by the coalition government.

The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have said that, given financial constraints, the scheme would have to be introduced in phases.

A £50m compensation fund has also been set up by the government for home-owners and firms "severely" affected by the route.

Rail enthusiast and pop mogul Pete Waterman, who is in favour of the plans, told BBC News it would free up other trains and passengers would see a cut in ticket prices as first class passengers switched to the faster trains.

He said he felt campaigners were being very clever about side-stepping the "not in my backyard argument".

"They're doing everything to not make that sort of statement," he said.

"They're going on about economics (and) the environment but really, with railways you can make as much a game for it as against it.

'Eaten alive'

"But at the end of the day, HS2 is, for me, do we want the country to go forward or don't we?"

In December, Transport Secretary Philip Hammond said 50% of the preferred route published in March had been amended following protests about its impact on homes and the countryside.

Jerry Marshall, chairman of the federation of action groups against the plans, said the route goes through his home but decided he would support the plans if they were in the national interested.

"As a businessman, I spent a couple of days going through the business case and I was shocked at what I found," he said/

"There's a lot of wool being pulled over our eyes and the case does not stack up.

"If Phillip Hammond took this to Dragon's Den, he would be eaten alive."

The meeting at Stoneleigh has been discussing the arguments for and against the plans and hearing from guest speakers, organisers said.

fr BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12514335

patchay

February 19th, 2011, 05:14 PM

Cheras folks are still the best :lol: .......we got quite a sizeable amount of super rich here and no complains on the elevated tracks. That is why traffic conditions here have improved leaps and bounds cause the govt keep on improving the interchanges here without much fuss hahaha :D

they say Damansara ppl are not really super rich, just middle class or upper middle class if you like.

but they say Damansara ppl are rich in BRAINS... :nuts::lol:

goBetong

February 19th, 2011, 05:33 PM

Anyone know where exactly is the Section 17, PJ stop?

Is it to be at where the Sprint toll booth is? If yes, ain't is very near Section 16/Phileo Damansara station.

szehoong

February 19th, 2011, 05:48 PM

they say Damansara ppl are not really super rich, just middle class or upper middle class if you like.

but they say Damansara ppl are rich in BRAINS... :nuts::lol:

The real Damansara or fake Damansara? :D

Real Damansara: Damansara Heights / Bukit Damansara

Fake Damansara: All the variants of D'sara in and around PJ....overated IMO :lol:

Anyway I believe you need brains to do business and Cheras folks being businessmen and all needed lotsa brain juice. :lol: Like one of my friend said: "Yea.....all those pros live in some fancy condo in D'sara Perdana but report to his boss whom live in some fancy bungalow in Cheras." (Disclaimer: This is a friendly conversation/post and my friend is from D'sara Perdana hehe) :D

allurban

February 19th, 2011, 06:38 PM

Some people of Damansara: "I don't care! I want the govt to abolish tolls and NOT build MRT behind my house."

Some people of Damansara: "Wah.. MRT is good. Good for my business! But I won't take MRT, though."

Some people of Damansara: "Now soo jam ared, still want to build MRT arh? I think MRT will make our roads more jam, worst than now."

Some people of Damansara: "I see the MRT project as a goodie project to win back votes for you know who lah..."Some people of Damansara: "I like the idea of MRT as long as the station & track are not too close to my house because my property value will increase and then I can sell and move to Kota Kemuning or Bukit Raja."

Cheers, m

allurban

February 19th, 2011, 06:49 PM

once there's MRT, less cars on road maa... why so paranoid about not enuff space or crammed things....by the time MRT finish, all the complaint makers already retired, stay at home lor.... by that time their ears also pekak2 sudah kurang dengar, so no need to complain about noise lor.... and their children not sure yet become rich poeple or also take MRT lor.... :lol:
moral of the stroy, let be tolerable....hahaha no one believes that there will be less cars on the road even with the MRT. In fact, there will probably be more cars making shorter trips, more stop & go traffic etc (which is actually worse for the environment).

On the other hand, traffic on toll routes might actually become smooth once again! I cannot wait to see the impact of this ramp that will reduce the backup at the TTDI Junction!

Regarding the TTDI claim of increased traffic, Im not sure if I believe it. People from Petaling Jaya south of the Sprint Highway have their own stations to access. People from Bandar Utama and D'sara uptown will have the 1 Utama station (which should really be in a better location). People from Damansara Jaya & Kayu Ara & D'sara Uptown will also use the SS17 station too.

Not to mention, a TTDI station allows feeder bus routes serving many areas

*1 Utama to Section 17 station via TTDI (Jalan Berhanuddin Helmi)
*TTDI station to Tropicana Mall, Kayu Ara & Damansara Uptown (via Sprint Highway)
*TTDI station to Kg. Sg. Penchala
*Section 16 station to Mont Kiara - Sri Hartamas
*Section 17 station to SS2, Taman Bahagia

So who will be causing the jam in TTDI? People from TTDI and people from Kg. Sg. Penchala, mostly :p

Cheers, m

idiamindada

February 21st, 2011, 03:11 AM

they say Damansara ppl are not really super rich, just middle class or upper middle class if you like.

but they say Damansara ppl are rich in BRAINS... :nuts::lol:

INDEED. i know one of them who are very very typical type 'rich-wannabes'…

:ohno:

daeng_jal

February 21st, 2011, 11:28 AM

i know some of them,they are not rich,nor are rich wannabe,some even live in lo cost housing

the just act,shop,talk like they are rich:lol:

sc4

February 21st, 2011, 12:11 PM

Yeah and all of them associate it with tat image of the "Damansara" name........

szehoong

February 21st, 2011, 12:53 PM

INDEED. i know one of them who are very very typical type 'rich-wannabes'…

:ohno:

i know some of them,they are not rich,nor are rich wannabe,some even live in lo cost housing

the just act,shop,talk like they are rich:lol:

The real Damansara or fake Damansara? :D

Real Damansara: Damansara Heights / Bukit Damansara

Fake Damansara: All the variants of D'sara in and around PJ....overated IMO :lol:

Anyway I believe you need brains to do business and Cheras folks being businessmen and all needed lotsa brain juice. :lol: Like one of my friend said: "Yea.....all those pros live in some fancy condo in D'sara Perdana but report to his boss whom live in some fancy bungalow in Cheras." (Disclaimer: This is a friendly conversation/post and my friend is from D'sara Perdana hehe) :D

Yeah and all of them associate it with tat image of the "Damansara" name........

Yea....encountered a few conversation like this before:

Me: Where do you stay?

Dsara4Ever: Damansara

Me: Wah! So which part of Damansara you live. Houses there are huge man!

Dsara4Ever: Kota Damansara

Me: Oh......I tot you stay at Damansara Heights

Dsara4Ever: Erm....no lah.......my area still Damansara ma......

Me: Oh I see.......

patchay

February 21st, 2011, 01:33 PM

^^ ok guys... i'm "malu" to say i live in Damansara too... (and not in Kota Damansara)

daeng_jal

February 21st, 2011, 01:41 PM

damansara ever have spread towards sg buloh even in kuantan also
Even the nusajaya development are associated with damansara,with the same selling prices to boost

i think it appropriate to called the Rubber research institute development as Damansara "something",to make it sound prestigious..
maybe 1Damansara perhabs

daeng_jal

February 21st, 2011, 01:48 PM

i believe to read MB comment on the ampang-klang MRT lines,
it will be build along the klang riverbank

rizalhakim

February 22nd, 2011, 07:45 AM

Q2ogDAvnT0M

choon

February 22nd, 2011, 10:19 AM

Q2ogDAvnT0M

How they link KL Sentral with KTM,Putra and monorail? The station seems quite far from the hub..

hazlan

February 22nd, 2011, 03:10 PM

How they link KL Sentral with KTM,Putra and monorail? The station seems quite far from the hub..

we dont have any idea...but i hope and believe they should and have a plan to built proper air-conditioned indoor pedesterian walkway with an flat conveyer escalator...

silentreader

February 22nd, 2011, 03:15 PM

^

Yes, i like the idea. It will be tiresome if have to walk conveyer escalator ftw:banana:

but then it will be costly to maintain right?:lol:

hazlan

February 22nd, 2011, 03:21 PM

Yea....encountered a few conversation like this before:

Me: Where do you stay?

Dsara4Ever: Damansara

Me: Wah! So which part of Damansara you live. Houses there are huge man!

Dsara4Ever: Kota Damansara

Me: Oh......I tot you stay at Damansara Heights

Dsara4Ever: Erm....no lah.......my area still Damansara ma......

Me: Oh I see.......

people who "feel rich" so proud of damnsara...i dont know why... i dont find anything special about damansara...
i still prefer ampang area, sit next to KL golden triangle.. fastest accessibility...awesome KL skyline right in front of my eyes...:banana:
world class shopping malls just 10 minutes away...i couldnt ask for more

hazlan

February 22nd, 2011, 03:28 PM

^

Yes, i like the idea. It will be tiresome if have to walk conveyer escalator ftw:banana:

but then it will be costly to maintain right?:lol:

in seoul, they have this thing for station connectiblity to interchange lines

daeng_jal

February 22nd, 2011, 03:37 PM

people who "feel rich" so proud of damnsara...i dont know why... i dont find anything special about damansara...
i still prefer ampang area, sit next to KL golden triangle.. fastest accessibility...fascinating KL skyline right in front of my eyes...:banana:
world class shopping malls just 10 minutes away...i couldnt ask for more

yeah, ampang rock,so closes to citcentre yet it so cold at night n it rain a lot

3 strike for ampang:banana:

hazlan

February 22nd, 2011, 03:42 PM

hazlan

February 22nd, 2011, 03:44 PM

yeah, ampang rock,so closes to citcentre yet it so cold at night n it rain a lot

3 strike for ampang:banana:

cooler temperature yeah...
be it the view of city skyline , or great limestone (some of them) banjarans, both never fails to fascinate...

kl 2020 ideas

February 23rd, 2011, 12:39 PM

people who "feel rich" so proud of damnsara...i dont know why... i dont find anything special about damansara...
i still prefer ampang area, sit next to KL golden triangle.. fastest accessibility...awesome KL skyline right in front of my eyes...:banana:
world class shopping malls just 10 minutes away...i couldnt ask for more

Yeah and that will be One Utama, Mid Valley and The Curve is on making. With the MRT, will the rich like it? Why are they not sick of the traffic jam.

hazlan

February 23rd, 2011, 05:28 PM

Yeah and that will be One Utama, Mid Valley and The Curve is on making. With the MRT, will the rich like it? Why are they not sick of the traffic jam.

they just too paranoid and too afraid to look beyond comfort zone

idiamindada

February 25th, 2011, 11:57 AM

yeah, ampang rock,so closes to citcentre yet it so cold at night n it rain a lot

3 strike for ampang:banana:

Bukit Antarabangsa, Melawati (dalam), all have great temperature at night…many trees….

dengilo

February 25th, 2011, 02:44 PM

For now:)But the sad thing about ampang is the traffic during peak hours:bash:
Despite of the Elevated,MRR2 and now DUKE But for this view from my balcony emmhttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/dengilo/jan2007009.jpg:cheers:

allurban

March 5th, 2011, 07:29 AM

What are your thoughts about a 4th ITT in Shah Alam? We would appreciate your feedback on our upcoming proposal

http://transitmy.org/2011/03/05/transit-shah-alam-stadium-would-make-a-great-park-ride-facility/

Our View:

TRANSIT believes that the Stadium parking lots themselves would make for an excellent intermodal transport terminal because:

* The stadium area is located roughly equal distance from the NKVE and Federal Highway;
* KTM Komuter station Batu Tiga is located nearby – a shuttle bus could connect between the terminal and station with relative ease;
* The Kelana Jaya LRT can be extended to the Stadium area after Subang Jaya KTM station;
* Drivers on the Federal Highway could park at the Stadium area and avoid paying that toll at Batu Tiga;
* Drivers on the NKVE could reduce their toll cost by traveling fewer kilometers – with a reduction in traffic volute helping to reduce the notorious jam at the Subang toll;

Types of services that could be introduced might include:

* Limited-stop & Intra-urban Express buses (Expressway Rapid Transit) from the stadium (let’s call it “ITT-Barat”) to Klang (via Federal Highway) and Bukit Raja (via NKVE) and Rawang (via Guthrie Corridor). See the map of TRANSIT’s proposal here (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/klang-rapid-transit-routes-summary.pdf);
* Limited-stop & Intra-urban express bus services (Expressway Rapid Transit) from “ITT-Barat” (Stadium Shah Alam) to north, east, and central areas of KL (Jalan Duta & Ampang via NKVE, KL town via Federal Highway);
* Intercity express buses utilizing the NKVE, KLITE and Guthrie Corridor Expressway;
* An ITT shuttle connecting connects all 4 integrated transport terminals (Bandar Tasik Selatan, Gombak, Sg. Buloh and Shah Alam) – assuming that Shah Alam ITT is built;
* Shah Alam Circulator bus service (see a map showing TRANSIT’s proposal here (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/simplified-bus-routes-for-shah-alam.pdf)) based at the ITT Shah Alam hub
* Shuttle bus services to the Glenmarie industrial area, similar to the B.E.S.T. shuttle bus (http://transitmy.org/2011/03/04/the-best-weve-seen-so-far/) operating in Penang;
* Inter-Airport shuttle bus linking Subang Airport to KLIA (possibly sponsored by Malaysia Airlines’ subsidiary Firefly Airlines, which has operations at both airports). If you support such a shuttle, stopping at “ITT-Barat” or in Subang Jaya, tell Firefly! Their contact information is here.;

So what do you think? Should there be a 4th Integrated Transport Terminal, completing all the cardinal directions (South, East, North, West) of ITT service in the Greater Klang Valley?

Would an inter-modal bus terminal & Park & Ride facility encourage people from Shah Alam and Klang to use public transport? Would such a terminal help realign bus services along the major east-west (Federal Highway, NKVE, even KESAS) and north-south (ELITE, Guthrie) road transport corridors in the western half of the Greater Klang Valley?

Most importantly, would such a terminal help reduce the numbers of cars that enter Kuala Lumpur and Petaling Jaya on a daily basis?

Even more importantly, how quickly can this solution be in place?

Cheers, m