156km long Mass Rapid Transit for Klang Valley
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•A new mass rapid transit (MRT) system with a price tag of at least RM35 billion

•Three-line mass rapid transit (MRT) system

•It aims to integrate the monorail and light rail transit (LRT) systems, the MRT lines will also connect the northwest and southeast of the Klang Valley

•One of the lines will run through Sungai Buloh, Kota Damansara, Kuala Lumpur and Cheras until Kajang,

•Another line will connect Sungai Buloh, Kepong, Kuala Lumpur and Serdang, the third line will loop around

•Malaysian Resources Corp Bhd may have to redesign an upcoming development to facilitate this MRT line

•The MRT lines will be mostly underground with stops every 500m to 1km in high-traffic areas like the Golden Triangle in Kuala Lumpur

•It may take as long as 10 years to be completed

•Research houses do not expect the MRT project to kick off soon even if it gets the go-ahead as the LRT extension project has not been awarded yet

•It remains unclear if the new MRT line would replace or be in addition to the proposed Kota Damansara-Cheras line

•Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd had submitted a joint proposal to the government

•It is understood that MMC-Gamuda had made an unsolicited offer to build and design the MRT system. The Edge Daily yesterday (June 7, 2010) reported both firms are bidding separately but government officials say both made a joint bid

•Although the original proposal was submitted by Gamuda and MMC Corp, the project will be open to bidding

•The government is considering the use of a "Swiss Challenge" philosophy to tender the project out with MMC-Gamuda maintaining an advantage in being awarded the contract

•The joint venture would only be involved in the "design-build" phase as contractors and would undertake almost no risk. Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad, the national infrastructure company, would ultimately own and operate the MRT line

•The huge price tag of "at least RM35 billion" for the MRT system could also rise further because it is understood that a major portion of the system would be underground. Some underground sections of the new line being proposed would be constructed near or parallel to the existing underground sections of the Kelana Jaya Light Rail Transit (LRT) line. But the new line would be underneath the LRT subway, escalating cost further.






10MP: Malaysia plans MRT system
June 10,2010 | Business Times Malaysia
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20100610165110/Article/index_html#ixzz0qbtW3nvC

Malaysia is planning a new mass transit system, convention facilities and an international financial district in Kuala Lumpur in a bid to tackle traffic congestion and enhance its capital’s standing as a global city.

“Livability of Greater Kuala Lumpur is crucial in the competition for talent, wealth and investments in the global area,” the government said in a report on the country’s five- year development plan released today.

Kuala Lumpur ranked 79 out of 130 cities for livability in the Economist Intelligence Unit’s 2010 survey. About 70 per cent of Malaysia’s population will be concentrated in urban areas by 2020, raising challenges in tackling increasing density, crime and public transportation, according to today’s 10th Malaysia Plan report.

A mass rapid transit system covering a 20-kilometer radius around Kuala Lumpur’s city center will carry two million passenger-trips per day when completed, according to the report. It didn’t state the project’s cost or deadline.

An existing light transit rail network in the city will be expanded. More feeder buses and covered walkways are also planned to aid commuters, the government said.

The business district planned for Kuala Lumpur will target Islamic finance and related professional services, the government said, without providing details.

Urban Regeneration

Other plans in and around the capital include the redevelopment of the Sungai Besi airport, a township development in Sungai Buloh, convention-center facilities at Jalan Duta and an urban rejuvenation project in Kampung Baru.

The government also proposes to introduce en-bloc voting rules to facilitate redevelopment of collectively-owned property and land in a bid to hasten urban regeneration, the report said.

“We should be able to see sustained property demand backed by a good employment market, strong liquidity and still- conducive interest rate levels,” Leong Hoy Kum, group managing director of Mah Sing Group Bhd., said in a emailed statement.

Elsewhere in the country, construction companies such as Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp stand to gain from the extension of an electrified double-track railway project to the southern state of Johor at the estimated cost of RM16.5 billion. The two companies are already jointly laying a 329-kilometer double- track railway in the northern part of the Malaysian peninsular.

Malaysia will spend about RM2.7 billion to build roads and rail systems leading to key ports and airports, the report said. --- Bloomberg




KL to get landmark MRT in world-class city bid
By Lee Wei Lian June 10, 2010
The Malaysian Insider
>>> http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/kl-to-get-landmark-mrt-in-world-class-city-bid

KUALA LUMPUR, June 10 — A new mass rapid transit system will be implemented as part of efforts to make Kuala Lumpur a world class city under the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP).

The new MRT system will be about 156km long, covering a radius of 20km from the city centre and have a capacity of 2 million passengers per day.

The new MRT system will be supported by a network of feeder buses and covered walkways to provide end-to-end connectivity to commuters and pedestrians.

Planned extensions to the existing LRT system will still proceed as planned.

The Malaysian Insider had reported earlier this week that MMC Corporation Bhd and Gamuda Bhd have submitted a bid to construct the new mass rapid transit (MRT) system, with a price tag of at least RM35 billion.

The capital city currently has an LRT system, a monorail system and the KTM Komuter inter-city service — a combination that has been criticised for being poorly integrated and having a low capacity.

With the new MRT system, it is expected that Kuala Lumpur will finally be able to join the ranks of cities with world-class metro systems such as Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong and Barcelona.

The 10MP will position Kuala Lumpur as a top city that will become one of the key engines of growth for the country, as it recognises that competition has become increasingly about cities rather than just nations. The city has been identified as one of 12 national key economic areas that will contribute quantifiably to economic growth.

The 10MP acknowledges that there is a strong link between quality of life of a city and its economic output, and noted that Kuala Lumpur is ranked 79th out of 140 cities in the Economist Intelligence Unit Survey on liveability.

Initiatives planned for Kuala Lumpur include the establishment of a new financial district as a global financial centre; creating a network of attractive open public spaces; and making the KL Lake Gardens a world class botanical garden.

Also slated for the city is the development of a unique and internationally-relevant arts and culture scene, and a rich mix of leisure activities to make it an ideal place to live, work and play.

While Kuala Lumpur has eight times the GDP of the next biggest population cluster in Malaysia, it still has a lower economic output per square kilometre compared with other Asian cities.

An analysis by the Economist Intelligence Unit and Price Waterhouse Coopers used by the 10MP shows that Kuala Lumpur also lags far behind leading cities such as Singapore, Seoul, Tokyo and Sydney in terms of both its liveability and GDP per capita, and is grouped together with cities such as Mexico City, Sao Paolo and Shanghai.

I envisioned clusters of highrises surrounding future MRT stations all over Klang Valley, from Sungei Buloh to Kajang, from Gombak to Klang, from Rawang to Sepang.

These end-to-end places are expected to be connected by urban rail. I hope Petaling Jaya and Subang will be adequately covered.

Klang Valley will be a World Class Megalopolis in 10+ years time if our public transport is well managed.

Talking about Klang Valley become a megalopolis by 2020 and how many future MRT stations all over Klang Valley yet Klang and Shah Alam had been neglected???

Talking about Klang Valley become a megalopolis by 2020 and how many future MRT stations all over Klang Valley yet Klang and Shah Alam had been neglected???

I think we should expand the KTM Komuter throughout Klang and Shah Alam rather than depend on LRT.They are just too far to be served by LRT. Shah Alam and Klang residents,based on my experience of living and studying there, are used to using mini buses and RapidKL buses, hence a a comprehenisive feeser bus service to bring residents/workers to and fro the KTM stations and connect between suburbs would be ideal.

A good example based on my experience was in Melbourne. The city centre, about close to 20km radius from the city is well served by their tram service while outer satellite cities/suburbs like Monash are served by feeder buses which feed residents to their Connex suburban trains.

I would say there is room of expansion for KTM Komuter service to Klang.

Shah Alam and Klang are less dense than KL + PJ + Subang Jaya + Puchong.

Another thing is, the station distance between every MRT station is closer than those of Komuter which is essential a rail service that connects different parts of state in Malaysian context, unlike LRT/MRT..........hence, you cannot imagine travelling from KL to Shah Alam or Klang on rapid transit, it would be too long.

Yay! MRT for KL! :cheers:

He he, I've exhausted all my "Yay"s since so long ago already ...

The Edge on SUnday have alot of coverage on the MRT plan.

If executed properly, the rail coverage in Klang Valley should on par with New York and even Singapore.:cheers:

Klang Valley's MRT
By CIMB Research
Appeared on TheEdge Property
Monday, 14 June 2010 12:24
Source: http://www.theedgeproperty.com/news-a-views/3633-construction-sector-cimb-research-maintain-overweight.html


More on MRT

According to The Edge Weekly, the proposed MRT system will cost RM36bn, 30% of which is tunnelling works, and the tenders will be based on “Swiss Challenge”. The project is still at the preliminary stage. The article highlighted several key points which are positive for the sector. However, there was a negative surprise for Gamuda as it can bid for only the tunnelling portion worth RM10.8bn.

Should the Gamuda-MMC JV get it, it would bump up Gamuda’s RM7bn order book by RM5.4bn to RM12.4bn and enhance its FY11-12 net profit by 7-9% and its RNAV and target price by about 8%, lower than our earlier estimates. We gather that a decision is likely to be made by end-2010, which means that the project could be awarded in 1Q11 provided that the government speeds up execution over the next couple of months.

We maintain our OVERWEIGHT on the construction sector, which remains premised on the rollout of mega jobs, reinforced by this news on the MRT project. We also maintain our Outperform calls on our top picks, WCT and Gamuda.

The news

Over the weekend, the Edge Weekly featured an article on the new MRT system. According to sources, the project will cost RM36bn based on 2010 prices. It will involve tunnelling and the construction of 180-200km of rail lines and stations. Of the total value, 30% is budgeted for tunnelling works.

Although the Gamuda-MMC JV mooted the idea, it will be bidding for only the tunnelling portion worth RM10.8bn due to conflict of interest. Since there are no other Malaysian contractors with tunnelling experience, foreign contractors will qualify to bid for the tunnelling portion too.

The remaining 70% of the total cost will be up for competitive tender. The government has decided that the tender for the entire project will be on “Swiss Challenge”. The RM36bn cost represents the most expensive mega project in the nation’s history, surpassing the RM20bn development cost for Putrajaya, RM10bn for KLIA. and Gamuda-MMC’s RM12.5bn northern double tracking project.

The rationale for the new MRT system is to bring KL up to par with other developed cities, which will bring life back to the country’s capital city. Most other major cities have at least 40km of rail tracks per million people. KL’s rail infrastructure is woefully inadequate compared to other countries in the region.

Based on existing facilities (LRT and monorail) there are only 15km of tracks per million people. Singapore has hit 40km and has embarked on a plan to expand its MRT lines by an additional 140km at a total cost of $40bn (RM94bn) or RM670m/km.

Gamuda and MMC Corp’s proposal has set an ideal target of 40% of all commuting trips in KL to be done via public transport compared with 18% currently and 50% of the public transit to be handled by rail by 2010 vs. 28% currently.

The proposal involves the addition of three new lines, with two cutting across the southeast-northwest axis, which is not served by LRT now. The third is a circle that will cut across all LRT and new MRT lines to make for a truly integrated transport system.

The MRT will have a total capacity of 2m passengers/day and could further expand to 4m. The proposal for the MRT system is still at the preliminary stage and no firm decision has been made. Under the 10MP, a RM20bn facilitation fund will be set up to encourage the private sector to participate in strategic projects.

It is believed that the MRT project will be one of the beneficiaries of this fund. The project could receive up to 10% of costs (RM3.6bn) in the form of a grant from the government.

Other players are threatening to steal the job from the Gamuda-MMC JV, with a Chinese party supposedly leading the pack. Some parties may even use political connections.


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Comments

Details are positive. The article gave more details on the proposal and highlighted several key points which are positive. The RM36bn total project value is slightly higher than the recently reported RM35bn total cost for the MRT project.

Though the article mentioned that the RM10.8bn tunnelling portion will be via an international tender, we think that the Gamuda-MMC JV has a strong chance of clinching this portion or taking a lead position as foreign tunnelling expertise is likely to be needed. Given the soil/earth conditions surrounding the KL area, the tunnelling works will NOT be a straightforward engineering exercise.

Exposure for Gamuda a negative surprise. Should Gamuda secure the tunnelling portion via the 50:50 JV co., it would bump up its RM7bn outstanding order book by RM5.4bn to RM12.4bn. Working on an assumed 8% pretax margin and the reported 10-year development timeframe, the project would enhance Gamuda’s FY11-12 net profit by 7-9% and RNAV and target price by about 8%.

The impact is smaller than our earlier estimates of enhancement of 15-21% for FY11-12 net profit and 12% for RNAV as we took the entire project value of RM36bn. This is a negative surprise. According to the article, Gamuda may not participate in other packages due to conflict of interest.

This is contrary to earlier indications that the group should have first right of refusal given that it initiated the proposal. Another negative surprise was the concern that other players could “steal the job” from the Gamuda-MMC JV. More reasons to support implementation.

Regional comparison of railway systems as highlighted in the article gives a better perspective on the MRT proposal and support implementation of the project. We gather that a decision is likely to be made by end-2010, which means that the project could be awarded in 1Q11 provided that he government speeds up execution over the next couple of months.

A reassurance is last week’s 10MP announcement which featured the MRT project as the mega job throughout the 5-year development period.

Valuation and recommendation

Maintain OVERWEIGHT on sector. The article highlighted more details on the MRT project, which are positive, but revealed several negative surprises for Gamuda, which could end up with a smaller share of the project. Overall, this project should be long-term positive for the construction sector if it materialises.

Though execution remains a key risk, we continue to believe that there is a good chance of the MRT system coming through as it ties in with the government’s push to improve public transport infrastructure.

A reassurance is last week’s 10MP announcement which featured the MRT project as the mega job throughout the 5-year development period. We maintain OVERWEIGHT on the construction sector, which remains premised on the rollout of mega jobs, reinforced by this news on the MRT project.

We also maintain our Outperform calls on our top picks, WCT and Gamuda. Despite the potential bad news for Gamuda, we remain positive on the stock as it still has a strong chance of clinching a sizeable chunk of the MRT project. The group is also one of the main contenders for the RM7bn LRT extension/upgrade.

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I think we should expand the KTM Komuter throughout Klang and Shah Alam rather than depend on LRT.They are just too far to be served by LRT. Shah Alam and Klang residents,based on my experience of living and studying there, are used to using mini buses and RapidKL buses, hence a a comprehenisive feeser bus service to bring residents/workers to and fro the KTM stations and connect between suburbs would be ideal.

A good example based on my experience was in Melbourne. The city centre, about close to 20km radius from the city is well served by their tram service while outer satellite cities/suburbs like Monash are served by feeder buses which feed residents to their Connex suburban trains.

I didnt say that klang and shah alam must be depends on LRT or MRT... If u say commuter train, yes klang and shah alam do have KTM services but how good and how extensive the services are the main problems. Other than traveling to KL from shah alam or klang, local bus serving the city itself are way way way lacking as well.

I could say that LRT like in singapore not KL, will be suitable for shah alam and klang, jus for the city itself only, traveling ppl from all other places in city, sections, "garden", and so on to the major commuter station??? Perhaps bus services could be another option.

By 2020 I do not wish that I have to use expensive taxed petrol and pay for road congestion pricing just to go to KL for working. It sounds like ppl who live farther than 20km radius are "no human", just like they dun deserve to have a good public transport... =.="
It seems no fair, we pay for the tax also but we did not get anything in return but pay and suffer even more...

^^ so what??

the fed gomen think that other people outside the KV don't even deserve good busses..melakan don't deserve KTM services..and some part in selangor don't deserve good public heathcare services..kat pekan is soo much better..
but who cares..i love riding those busses..it expensive,got fresh air,antics timber flooring,that comes onces every hours or whatever time they like..and end services at 7pm..

at least rapidpenang got new buses maa... how could fed forget the penangites..

^^ so what??

the fed gomen think that other people outside the KV don't even deserve good busses..melakan don't deserve KTM services..and some part in selangor don't deserve good public heathcare services..kat pekan is soo much better..
but who cares..i love riding those busses..it expensive,got fresh air,antics timber flooring,that comes onces every hours or whatever time they like..and end services at 7pm..

Haha... Perhaps I shall move inside the 20km radius to make me A "Human" ...lolz
Uhm... Y not all malaysian live outside move into the area so that gov only have to develop that area and all malaysian will benefit from it :nuts:

I think that Rapid Penang and RapidKL will spillover into other states.
RapidPenang is already servig some Kedah areas.

Since we have opposition stats, I don't see them doing anything about PT either.

Despite the brouhaha, we must admit that RapidPenang is a success within a short frame of time, indicating that we can provide good and reasonable PT even outside KL.:)

Haha... Perhaps I shall move inside the 20km radius to make me A "Human" ...lolz
Uhm... Y not all malaysian live outside move into the area so that gov only have to develop that area and all malaysian will benefit from it :nuts:

That has always been the case hasn't it. Nothing has changed. Move to KL if you want better service.

Great, an MRT system for entire Klang Valley...that goes to show how Klang Valley-centric our federal government is...Although I am very positive about the development because its the economic and political heartland and the most populated urban centre in Malaysia.

it will be interesting if anyone can share more info about this "so-called" MRT plans.....

i aso want to know how current/extended LRT can compliment this MRT becoz i think LRT will see a decline in passenger numbers once we have MRT.... so in the end financially kelam kabut again...............

it will be interesting if anyone can share more info about this "so-called" MRT plans.....

i aso want to know how current/extended LRT can compliment this MRT becoz i think LRT will see a decline in passenger numbers once we have MRT.... so in the end financially kelam kabut again...............

I dont think so, since the LRT and MRT serves different location...

LRT and MRT should be complimenting each other rather than replacing. I believe the ridership of LRT will increase instead of the other way. With better integration and better connectivity ( hopefully), more people will go for public transport. Malaysian is spending too much money on car, petrol, tolls, insurance, time due to poor public transport. If it is efficient, why would people opt to drive. There are many people lost their live on the road each day.

SPAD - Super transport service
SPAD - Super transport service
Submitted by amir azree on Wednesday, June 16th, 2010

* Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD)
* Local

... aimed at regaining public confidence in popular conveyance
Shahrim Tamrin
Wednesday, June 16th, 2010 13:38:00

KUALA LUMPUR: The newly-launched Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) is determined to live up to high public expectations of improved public transport in the country.

“SPAD has been entrusted to change the way public transport is planned, regulated and enforced. More importantly, we aim to regain public confidence in our transport system,” said SPAD chief operating officer Shahril Mokhtar (pic).
Shahril Mokhtar

In an exclusive interview with The Malay Mail, Shahril said the core functions of SPAD are the drawing-up, under one roof, of policies, planning, regulating and enforcement laws and regulations on land public transport.

SPAD was officially established on June 3, with powers derived from the Land Public Transport Act 2010 which was passed concurrently with the Land Public Transport Commission Act 2010 by Parliament.

The Malay Mail understands that in the first two years of the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP), RM2.8 billion had been allocated to build and improve the public transport ridership in Greater Kuala Lumpur, Johor Baru and Penang.

"It is a massive figure and we are studying the systems of other countries known for their efficiency, like Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai and London. We will adopt the best practices which suit local needs,” said Shahril.

“We are to realise the ambitions as outlined in the National Key Result Areas (NKRAs) for public transportation and we will report to Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak from time to time on public transport matters. It shows that the government wants to boost the quality of public transport.”
SPAD management is responsible for delivering five initiatives that do not come under any agency, specifically, buses' right-of-way, bus stops, performance management, network restructuring and ticketing integration.

With the formation of SPAD, the Commercial Vehicles Licensing Board (CVLB) for Peninsular Malaysia and the Department of Railways will be absorbed into the Commission latest by September this year.

“SPAD's scope will be extended to Sarawak, Sabah and Labuan at a later stage because the land public transportation in East Malaysia is different,” said Shahril, adding that it will also take over the role of the Tourism Commissioner in issuing licences to tour buses.

“We also have enforcement powers, with SPAD's officers on the ground. We will soon implement key performance indicators (KPI) for public transport operators which include on-time performance, equipment condition and reliability with minimum standards linked to a reward and penalty system.”

Stating that SPAD will change the public transport industry landscape in the Peninsular, Shahril said: “Bus, rail and taxi operators will be subject to SPAD's stringent monitoring conformity. Our responsibilities include the integration of various public transportation, transit bus system, enhancing effectiveness and promptness, and better enforcement.

“We are also looking at the implementation of a Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system and single cashless ticketing system across all operations."

Among the key steps SPAD have already identified is the weaknesses in responding to public enquiries and complaints.

"In the run-up to the setting up of SPAD, we already identified a lot of grey areas by talking to various stakeholders, including community leaders, academicians and public transport experts," said Shahril.

Realising that enforcement is always an issue when it comes to public grouses on public transport, he said: “It's a big challenge but we are determined to pay close attention to the public.”

He also said a 'SPAD feedback centre' will also be set-up for the public.
Improving Klang Valley's public movement

THE construction of several Integrated Transport Terminal (ITT) around the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur is expected to facilitate the Klang Valley's public transport masterplan which will spearhead the development of a fully integrated public transport system.

“We have, at the moment, started construction of an ITT at Tasik Selatan for south-bound traffic. Our Gombak ITT, currently at the land-clearing stage, will be for the east coast. A proposal for an ITT at Sungai Buloh for the north-bound traffic, in the near future, is now on the cards,” said SPAD chief operating officer Shahril Mokhtar.

He said SPAD would also be responsible for building and improving of over 1,000 bus stops and reorganisation of the bus network in the Klang Valley.

“We will ensure all universal designs, for the disabled and less fortunate, are available at all these public transport facilities.

“City folk can look forward to improvements on bus journey time with Bus Express Transit services and establishment of dedicated bus lanes, as well as integrated smart ticketing system.”

Shahril is confident they are achievable because SPAD is the only body with the power and means to develop the country's land public transport masterplan.

“This masterplan will take into consideration all aspects of public transport, including connectivity and accessibility, ensuring the development of a more integrated public transport system.”

Shahril said the masterplan would cover aspects of land public transport. Once tabled at the National Physical Plan Council, it would be used to guide local authorities in planning their development.
The urban mass transit sheriff

WITH the announcement of a new Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) in the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP), the public would get to enjoy a MRT system, 156km long and covering a 20km radius around the Kuala Lumpur city centre, carrying two million passenger trips per day when completed.

The 10MP does not, however, state the deadline for constructing the MRT system to overcome traffic congestion and transform the “Livability of Greater Kuala Lumpur” into a global city.

The Malay Mail (MM) sought the views of the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) on the proposed MRT system and its involvement for the project.

MM: What is SPAD's role in the development of the MRT proposed under the 10MP?

SPAD: Our core functions are the drawing up of policies, planning, regulation and enforcementof rules and regulations concerning land public transport.

In the context of the MRT project and other 10MP projects related to land public transport, SPAD oversees their development in terms of ensuring they fulfill the needs of the rakyat. SPAD's involvement with the projects become operational after they have been completed and we will play the role of regulator of such services.

As far as the MRT proposal is concerned, we will, among others, ensure that:
• the rakyat will get optimal benefits of the money spent;
• the lines run through the correct areas;
• the station locations are rooted at the correct places;
• the new lines integrate with existing LRT and train services;
• there will be feeder bus services serving the new stations;
• the fares are reasonable;
• the system is viable and sustainable from a financial point of view; and
• after completion, it will be operated efficiently, reliably and safely.

MM: Will SPAD own or build the project?

SPAD: The Land Public Transport Commission Act 2010 and Land Public Transport Act 2010 do not empower SPAD to be the owner or developer of any project. SPAD can only play the role of planner and regulator of such projects.

MM: What about the funding of projects?

SPAD: We do not fund any projects. Depending on the project, funding can come directly from the government and also in partnership with the private sector.

MM: What other initiatives will SPAD come up with to improve public transport?

SPAD: We will look at all types of initiatives to improve public transport, such as bus lanes, bus express transit and bus rapid transit (which are bus lanes physically separated from other traffic) and many others.

These initiatives have to be integrated with the existing systems both physically and in terms of the use of a single ticketing system. SPAD also has to ensure a good standard of service by the operators by setting service standards for them. In the longer term SPAD will draw up masterplans for the national and regional levels as well as each of the sectors.
http://www.mmail.com.my/content/40092-spad-super-transport-service

I almost forgot about SPAD. This will be SPAD first test in improving public transportation in the Klang Valley.

See see, each time somebody or something new came to power, they need to replan everything. If like this each time will forever be planning, planning, drawing up policies, etc. Why can't just they stick or revise current policies instead. We know that these people can't even implement or enforce the already previously lacking policies.

And we all know what they meant by " 'rakyat' will get optimal benefits of the money". LOL.

^^ cari makan kot??

plan org dulu,mungkin duit masuk poket org dulu..takkan ler org baru nk sedekah kat org lama kot..baiklah masuk poket dier sendiri..tu yg plan,realign,tukar org bru..then plan,realign,tukar org bru...last last xder aper yg dibuat dan xder saper yg dpt duit..

..agaknyerlah...spekulasi ajer..gua agak ajer..

He he, I should be tapis-ing my comments from now on. Don't want to blurt stuffs on the internet. This is Malaysia after all.

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are there lotsa people talking about this MRT??? for now, not many people care actually....

He he, guess so. In this past weeks alone people have lost counts of how many dings dongs and yoo-turns Charlie have been churning out from the chocolate factory.

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/40092-spad-super-transport-service

I almost forgot about SPAD. This will be SPAD first test in improving public transportation in the Klang Valley.not really. SPAD will be working to improve RapidKL and other bus service and introduce bus lanes & BRT first.

And they have already pushed RapidKL to introduce RapidBET.

Besides...this MRT is happening over a period 4-10 years from now (maybe more), so there will be other things for SPAD to do in the meantime.

Cheers, m

MALAYSIA'S NEW INTEGRATED MRT SYSTEM
PROPOSED BY SSC MALAYSIA
By www.PatChay.Com


LINE 1 - SUNGAI BULOH TO KAJANG --> 44 stations
Depot in Sungai Buloh to:

1. Sungai Buloh (KTM)
2. Damansara Damai (Bus Terminal)
3. Kota Damansara Utara
4. Kota Damansara Selatan
5. Pelangi Damansara
6. Mutiara Damansara
7. Bandar Utama
8. Damansara Uptown [8A. Damansara Jaya - 8B. Taman Megah/Seapark - X. Kelana Jaya (LRT-KJ)]
9. Tropicana City, SS2
10. Seksyen 16 PJ
11. Phileo Damansara
12. Universiti Malaya North
13. Pusat Bandar Damansara
14. Jalan Maarof, Bangsar
15. Bangsar Baru Town Centre
16. Bangsar (LRT)
17. KL Sentral (LRT-KJ, LRT-SP, Monorail, KTM, ERL, MRT-Line 1 and 2)
18. Pasar Seni (LRT-KJ)
19. Masjid Jamek (LRT-KJ)
20. Bukit Ceylon
21. Raja Chulan (Monorail)
22. Pavilion KL
23. Pasar Rakyat Pudu (Bus Terminal)
24. Jalan Cochrane (MRT-Line 2)
25. Jalan Peel
26. Maluri (LRT-SP)
27. Stadium Badminton Cheras
28. Taman Midah
29. Taman Segar
30. Taman Connaught
31. Cheras Batu 9
32. Batu 11
33. Bandar Tun Hussein Onn
34. Cheras Selatan
35. Balakong
36. Seri Kembangan Selatan
37. Taman Sutera Kajang
38. Sungai Balak
39. Taman Cendana
40. Kajang Baru
41. Sungai Chua
42. Kajang (KTM)



LINE 2 - KL CITY LOOP --> 20 stations

1. KL Sentral (LRT-KJ, LRT-SP, Monorail, KTM, ERL, MRT-Line 1 and 2)
2. Tasik Perdana
3. KL Central Park
4. Bukit Aman
5. Mahameru/Bukit Tunku/Jalan Kuching
6. PWTC (LRT-SP)
7. Titiwangsa (LRT-SP, Monorail)
8. Istana Budaya/KL General Hospital
9. Perputakaan Negara/IJN
10. Semarak
11. Ampang Park (LRT-KJ)
12. U-Thant Embassy Row
13. Prince Court Jalan Kia Peng / Royal Selangor Golf Club
14. Bulatan Pandan
15. Jalan Cochrane (MRT-Line 1)
16. Chan Sow Lin (LRT-SP)
17. Jalan Sungei Besi
18. Jalan Istana
19. Dewan Bahasa
18. Istana Negara
19. Little India/Brickfields
20. KL Sentral



LINE 3 - FUTURE LINE - PROPOSED GOMBAK TO SHAH ALAM?



From another thread:
Seems it's impossible to have a lossless upload on flickr and photobuckets. So I've uploaded it again to the wikipedia server.

Knowing them, some bots will tag it for deletion before the next day comes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/KJ_SP_AG_MR_KC_ERL_For_Wikiv6.png

You can just click it to open in browser or right click to save.

There's some names on the Fikir Runding proposal that I don't really like (naming stations after commercial buildings). So I've put some alternative names that are more approriate in brackets (local street names/areas).

Errm.. The MRTs should be high speed train if not there will be a long ride for the commuters.

Based on my experience, the MRT should address and ease the station with huge crowd (eg. Midvalley, Sunway, KLCC and other shopping malls), this will create a better economic effect to the Klang valley as a whole.

From my observation, Klites are mostly living in suburban and travelling all the way to the cities and normally stop at those "popular station" whereby a lot of peoples are alighting.

If let say those " popular station is not becoming an interchange for more lines to collide, people will get fatigue to transfer and transfer in order to for them to go to their intended station. Worst come to worst them without a proper integration, people required to walk for a long distance for the sake of transiting.

I guessed there will be a lot of shopping mall sprung up in the near future, perhaps they should considered to link it to these station to encourage riderships.

Malaysian are tend to be spoilt and lazy to walk even for a very short distance.

If chosen to stop at a place whereby it is cheap for government to reclaim land will end up hurting government pockets in maintaining those station. Eventually, turn up to be a "ghost station", low ridership i mean. This indeed can be observed in some of the stations for both of our LRTs.

Malaysian are tend to be spoilt and lazy to walk even for a very short distance.




Yea, I think not only malaysian are lazy, I think most of the human races are, in fact human race are the laziest animal...:lol::lol::lol:
It will be great if every or almost all of the shopping malls have its own MRT station. What I mean is the station shouldn't be too far from the mall, at least not more than 150 - 200m away, best if the station is build underground the shopping mall...:cheers:

My take is there's no such thing as a high speed rapid transit system if that's what you're saying.

When it comes to rapid transit rolling stocks the two most important things are capacity and acceleration/deceleration. Since on average the distance between two stations are around 1km (and much closer at the city center, e.g LU's Leicester Square and Covent Garden is only 200+ meters away), they can only go so fast before they have to slow down.

But on the planning/operational side, they can tweak the ppdh (passenger per direction per hour) and tph (trains per hour), although a high ppdh no. doesn't necessarily means good service frequency (think KTM Komuter).

As for the mix of stations, I agree with you. There should be a good mix between residential and commercial stations.

As for the ghost stations and alignments of the existing lines, he he, the western part of the putra LRT was built along the TNB reserve lands (cheaper no need to buy land). Though why the Abdullah Hukum station is not connected to the Gardens is so beyond me. I think anybody in their right mind would walk there rather than wait for the KTM Komuter.

Star LRT on the other hand was rushed through for SUKOM98, hence the spartan stations, and as anyone from KL of old would have noticed, was built almost entirely on the old KTM freight railway tracks (except the route from Plaza Rakyat northwards). And since the SP line is made solely to connect to the Stadiums (err stadia?) that's why you have weird station placement like Bandar Tun Razak.

Given that during those old old time, the people are not normally expected to say anything out loud, I guess there's nothing much can be done back then.

Give the public a good reason why they should leave their cars at home!!!Prime targets for stations are shopping centers,local bus terminals and of course without proper parking we back to square one.Oh ya we need bomb shelters too he he

Malaysian are tend to be spoilt and lazy to walk even for a very short distance.


Give me shady tree lined streets, then I will walk...New Pedestrianism is the way forward for Malaysia...

Line 1 will be from Damansara to Serdang.
Line 2 will be from Kepong to Cheras.

Both lines will bypass KL City.

Line 3 is the Loop Line.

LOL.

Having an MRT system that bypasses the city center.

What's next ? Express Rail Link to Paya Jaras ? Underground motorcycle lanes ? Congestion charges for pedestrians ?

Friday June 18, 2010
Cost of rail projects may top RM50bil
By SHARIDAN M. ALI
sharidan@thestar.com.my


The figure is inclusive of LRT extension and proposed MRT

PETALING JAYA: The total bill for rail-based public transport improvements in the Klang Valley, including the ambitious mass rapid transit (MRT), could top RM50bil, reliable sources said.

The RM50bil is inclusive of the confirmed RM7bil light rail transit (LRT) extension projects. The other RM43bil is for the recently proposed MRT project.

Sources said that of the RM43bil, RM36bil was for the construction (including tunnelling works) and design of the MRT, RM2bil for land acquisition, RM3bil for rolling stock and RM2bil for developing an underground commercial space.

Rolling stock comprises all the vehicles that move on a railway.


Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd presented a joint MRT proposal to the Government in January.

“The proposal now is at the National Economic Action Council level and is expected to be presented to the Cabinet in two to three weeks.

“The MRT proposal network has three major lines or routes from Damansara to Serdang and Kepong to Cheras – where both lines will converge in the middle of the city centre.

“Additionally, there will also be a crucial line that will tie up all the network connectivity circling the city centre,” the sources told StarBiz.

City centre covers important areas such as Kuala Lumpur City Centre, Platinum Felda, Pasar Rakyat and Raja Chulan.

The sources said Kuala Lumpur was lagging behind in terms of rail benchmarking compared with its regional counterparts such as Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan.

“Kuala Lumpur’s rail network is only 15km per one million population, while most other cities are over 40km per one million people.

“Thus, we need another 150km to be at par with the other cities and this is where the proposed MRT system will come in.

“The proposal also indicates the MRT system would result in a three-fold increase in rail network and a five-fold increase in ridership in line with the public transport target of 40% by 2020 from 18% in 2009,” the sources said.

This will translate to two million trips per day in 2020 using the rail network from 400,000 trips per day currently.

During the 10th Malaysia Plan period, the Government will improve the liveability of cities and has identified major initiatives under the national key result areas, particularly to address crime and improve public transportation in urban areas.

The Greater KL has been identified as a new key economic area and initiatives are under way, including the proposed MRT system, to transform it into a leading global city.

I was wondering whether public NGOs like TRANSIT will be consulted from day 1 of planning the MRT networks??

The public really needs to know about it becoz the problem has been affecting the mass public far too long.

Btw, the Bandar Utama ramp that just open actually caused a jam a few days ago. And apparently the slip road at the bottom will be partially closed to fasciliate another construction, I suppose a terowong from Taman Tun heading towards Bandar Utama.

Sometimes the traffic jam was not resolved but rather diverted in another way.

LOL.

Having an MRT system that bypasses the city center.

What's next ? Express Rail Link to Paya Jaras ? Underground motorcycle lanes ? Congestion charges for pedestrians ?according to what I've seen, they have defined the city centre as the Golden Triangle area - Raja Chulan, Bukit Bintang, Pudu and KLCC areas ... rather than that Masjid Jamek / Kota Raya area.

The two lines will cpass through the new city centre, which I will call KL "City Centre East @Pudu" just for the heck of it.

Cheers, m

I was wondering whether public NGOs like TRANSIT will be consulted from day 1 of planning the MRT networks??

The public really needs to know about it becoz the problem has been affecting the mass public far too long.

Btw, the Bandar Utama ramp that just open actually caused a jam a few days ago. And apparently the slip road at the bottom will be partially closed to fasciliate another construction, I suppose a terowong from Taman Tun heading towards Bandar Utama.

Sometimes the traffic jam was not resolved but rather diverted in another way.hahahahhahaah rotflmao :lol: thanks for making my day with that absolutely hilarious joke.

U honestly think MMC-Gamuda will consult with TRANSIT??? Not a chance - but it is ok because TRANSIT has analyzed the proposal and we will let the EPU & SPAD & PM know what we think.

As for the new bridge - I think the jam exists because Kepong-bound drivers still have to adjust from the idea of moving left after Damansara Utama (unnatural as it is, since all the other flyovers are in the median).

So, it would already take time for the drivers to adjust, and then they went ahead and closed the other lanes already.

On the other hand, the Penchala Link ramp coming out of Sri Hartamas also opened and the jam has become quite reduced. So it really depends on how many projects are in the pipeline.

Another road project that would be nice to see would be a flyover from the Puchong-bound lanes of the LDP to Pers. Surian, allowing a direct link from the Penchala Link - or, I think they have a proposal for an extension of the Penchala Link through Damansara Perdana to the NKVE

Cheers, m

I envisioned clusters of highrises surrounding future MRT stations all over Klang Valley, from Sungei Buloh to Kajang, from Gombak to Klang, from Rawang to Sepang.


That's called TOD (Transit Oriented Development)...I am dying to see the line extended to Shah Alam. Such a hassle to reach a Komuter station in that city.

Line 1 will be from Damansara to Serdang.
Line 2 will be from Kepong to Cheras.

Both lines will bypass KL City.

Line 3 is the Loop Line.


Ermm, the line1 and line 2 isnt it almost the same 1 (Northwest-Southeast)???:cheers:

I think for KL to improve livability by taking into account the commuting time.

If let say from suburban to city centre take more than 45 minutes, i think this doesn't help to improve the living standard of klites.

Oyster card allow to cap limit at 5.30 pounds for non peak hour within zone 1 & 2, if not mistaken.

Perhaps in order for the transit to be profitable, maybe the monthly card system should be gradually phased out or increase the selling price for monthly card system. i guessed commuters will be anguish about it, it is either take it or TRANSIT might failed in one day.

I had been in paris, london and berlin, they are using the so called daily card with zoning system, not sure about the monthly card.

For barcelona, amsterdam and rome, they are using the 10 times commuting tickets, buy it at discounted rate.

Students pass or concession pass is also available in most of the cities. But maybe we can implement it in malaysia.

But for malaysian, we are using neither of one of above mentioned.

Maybe someone can think of implementing one system, Since both system above do not apply in malaysia, maybe we can imitate our Singapore to have touch and go card, offer discounted rate for every ride. Their cards have major functions whereby can be used at ERP, car parking, toll charges and mrt.

I think for KL to improve livability by taking into account the commuting time.

If let say from suburban to city centre take more than 45 minutes, i think this doesn't help to improve the living standard of klites.

I don't think we have a long commuting time with our trains (if you ignore the elephant in the room which is the KTM Komuter). But you can always implement express services.

The REAL problem in the Klang Valley is with the service coverage of the rail systems. In short, the rail system is an exclusive service (as in opposite of inclusive). Politicians asking people to take the trains to work when the closest stations are like 10-15 km away doesn't really gel.

Rail systems are inherently efficient but are terribly ineffective, buses on the other hand are really effective, but not really efficient. So a really good mix of both is the only solution. Build more lines so that they can carry more people efficiently into the city, and have more buses to effectively cover the area around the stations.

That's the basic of a simple public transportation system really.

Oyster card allow to cap limit at 5.30 pounds for non peak hour within zone 1 & 2, if not mistaken.

Yes, unfortunately we do not have an automatic cap on our touch n go. Instead you have to estimate earlier on if you're going to exceed $10 in fares upon which the best option is to buy the daily pass. Same goes for the 7 and 15 days passes.

And again unfortunately, there's no discount on using touch n go.

The only zoning system in KL is for the buses, and there have been no explanation on the rational of the LRT fare structures. The Ampang service is pretty expensive, while the Sri Petaling service is dirt cheap. And there's no free transfer between the KJ and Ampang Lines (yet). A zone system for rail would mean that the entire Ampang - Miharja route would fall in the same zone, if you would have noticed that this route only circles the city center without getting closer to it. It would mean a lost of income for rapidKL. Following the same logic, it wouldn't give them much room to maintain the overpriced KL monorail fares. :nuts:

Perhaps in order for the transit to be profitable, maybe the monthly card system should be gradually phased out or increase the selling price for monthly card system. i guessed commuters will be anguish about it, it is either take it or TRANSIT might failed in one day.

Again, unfortunately, to be realistic, the monthly pass is already expensive enough. Unless you're travelling from one end of the systems to another, there's absolutely no point in buying one. The average cost of the monthly pass is $4.55 per day, using it every 22 working days per month. Having a few off work days due to Public Holiday, would mean that you are buying the pass at a loss.

Students passes or concession pass is also available in most of the cities. But maybe we can implement it in malaysia.

Students' passes and concession fares have been around for some years now. But it is only recently that they have been ported to touch n go. Concession for the disabled requires some paperwork I think.

But for malaysian, we are using neither of one of above mentioned.

See above

Maybe someone can think of implementing one system, Since both system above do not apply in malaysia, maybe we can imitate our Singapore to have touch and go card, offer discounted rate for every ride. Their cards have major functions whereby can be used at ERP, car parking, toll charges and mrt.

Touch n go have already been the de facto one system in the Klang valley, car parks, tolls, public transits and at some fast food restaurants.

The problem is that Touch n Go/rapidKL is doing a p*ss poor job in maintaining those card readers. And yes, there is still no discount. Apparently there is this thing called convenience charges that Touch n Go charges for, uh, your convenience. Some of the operator absorbs these fees while others passes it on to the customers, hence you would notice that some car parks would be more expensive using TnG than just taking the ticket.

:banana::banana:

Ermm, the line1 and line 2 isnt it almost the same 1 (Northwest-Southeast)???:cheers:yes, they will be almost the same.

And still no direct southwest - northeast line which is really important.

From what I gather, the Kota Damansara - Serdang proposed line will interchange with the Ampang and Kelana Jaya lines at Masjid Jamek, which is the DBKL proposal. The Kepong-Cheras proposed line will probably interchange with the Kelana Jaya line at Kg. Baru which is proposed as a new interchange.

The two new proposed lines will themselves interchange somewhere in the "new" City Centre ... Im hearing of a place called Dataran Perdana(wherever that is).

The proposal also has a circle line - and I can imagine that it would be tough to follow Jalan Tun Razak + Mahameru + Jalan Istana so it would have to use either rivers, highways, or existing road/rail.

The Klang river is already too packed, because of AKLEH + the Kelana Jaya line. The DUKE alignment is good for crossing the city on the north side but they already have a highway and an electricity corridor so where would the MRT go?

They could use the Ampang line spur from Chan Sow Lin as part of the proposed circle line but then you would need to connect from the end of the DUKE Highway to Ampang LRT station - that would be tough to do given the presence of the massive MRRII.

I guess the circle line also includes the north part of Taman Desa, Bangsar, Hartamas & East part of Mont Kiara, the new MATRADE development, and then the Duke Highway alignment out to Ampang. It just seems like the only possibility but it will be horrible to construct an MRT line in these tight corridors.

I think a monorail could do it but then, the capacity would be quite low....but then, is the capacity even needed?

Cheers, m

Thanks for the info...

Dataran Perdana is now the new megaproject in KL, now known as Kuala Lumpur International Financial District. It will come up near the Pasar Rakyat in Pudu. Exact location is Jalan Davis, off Jalan Pudu.

Somehow I've a feeling the new lines still do not address the places where people need the most. Some of the stations will still go through places with minimal traffic flow such as Kampung Baru and the backside of Pudu, no offence.

I hope it's not gonna be like our current KJ Line that passes by Kg Abdullah Hukum but there's barely nothing there.

kg abdullah hukum???

try damai,datuk keramat and jelatek..3 station that are hive with sooo many activities:)

Thanks for the info...

Dataran Perdana is now the new megaproject in KL, now known as Kuala Lumpur International Financial District. It will come up near the Pasar Rakyat in Pudu. Exact location is Jalan Davis, off Jalan Pudu.

Somehow I've a feeling the new lines still do not address the places where people need the most. Some of the stations will still go through places with minimal traffic flow such as Kampung Baru and the backside of Pudu, no offence.

I hope it's not gonna be like our current KJ Line that passes by Kg Abdullah Hukum but there's barely nothing there.it is quite likely that this will happen because the lines will probably be built along highways or Tenaga Nasional corridors rather than main roads that are high density.

Ive read that the two proposed mainlines will be underground through KL, while the city circle line will be mostly above ground.

Cheers, m

Scomi may bid for MRT jobs
By Kamarul YunusPublished: 2010/06/22
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/scomono/Article/index_html#ixzz0rYTgzoNl

http://www.btimes.com.my/articles/scomono/pix_topright

Scomi Engineering Bhd (7366), a unit of Scomi Group Bhd, says it will consider bidding for some of the supporting packages of the proposed mass rapid transit system, describing it as a "sound" plan for Greater Kuala Lumpur.

Its president Syahrunizam Samsuddin said the company was not specifically looking at the MRT system but areas where it can serve as a feeder or linkage to the main trunk line of the MRT and the light rail transit (LRT).

"We are not involved in the MRT proposal so we are not in a position to speak (about it). However, the MRT is really a major sound plan for Greater Kuala Lumpur as the line will go from north to south and east to west," he said.

Syahrunizam was speaking to reporters at the inauguration of the first four-car train set for the RM1.8 billion Mumbai monorail project at the company's engineering, technology and innovation centre in Rawang, Selangor, yesterday.

"But there are still gaps between the feeder and suburban areas going into the middle trunk line where the LRT and the MRT are going to be servicing. This is where a monorail fits in very well and can provide adequate riderships to the MRT or LRT."

It was reported that a special task force had been set up within the Cabinet Committee on Public Transport to study a proposal for a new three-line MRT system costing more than RM30 billion. It was said that Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd had submitted a public transport proposal for the Klang Valley.

The Mumbai monorail project, which is expected to be completed by next year, is a 20km route between Jacob Circle and Chembur, with one central depot and about 18 user-friendly and highly-secured stations.

Each monorail comprising four coaches can accommodate about 600 passengers, thus carrying nearly 300,000 commuters on a daily basis along the proposed route.

The first phase will begin operations by December, while the second will start by next May.

Buoyed by its success in securing the Mumbai monorail contract, Scomi Engineering will continue to look for such opportunities overseas, Syahrunizam said.

"Currently, we are tendering for contracts in several countries, namely Brazil, the United Arab Emirates and India."

As part of its expansion plans in India, Scomi is also considering bidding for another monorail project on the outskirts of Mumbai.

To support this move, Scomi plans to spend about RM40 million to set up a facility in Mumbai.

"Right now, it is still under evaluation. We are looking at 2011. We need to evaluate the locations, potential partners, and assess the supply chain for sourcing in India," Syahrunizam said.

Betulke MRT ni boleh dilaksanakan?

I am skeptical with such news, so many past delays and postponements with so many other projects, and now the government wants to spend so much money on KL the capital? RM30b, u know?

Kan duit ni boleh digunakan kat luar bandar dan projek sosial, not as if the whole Malaysia is now concentrated in KL only?

The estimated "first-round of costing" for the proposed MRT is now about RM43 bllion, including about RM30 billion for tunneling works.

The government is expected to allow the private sector to collaborate amongst themselves to make this dream come true. For example, all the big names public listed construction company:

Main-tier:
1. Gamuda *
2. MMC Corp-Zelan Consortium *
3. UEM-MRCB Consortium (formerly Renong Group that build our LRT)
4. IJM Corp
5. WCT (experience in Middle East infrastructure)
6. YTL Corp (experience in ERL)
7. Sunway Group
8. Ranhill Group

Second-tier
9. Mudajaya
10. Loh & Loh
11. Ahmad Zaki
12. Bina Puri
13. Muhibbah
14. Fajar Baru
15. Gadang
16. TRC Synergy
17. TSR Capital

Potential government participation via
18. DRB-HICOM
19. A Petronas company?

* Gamuda and MMC Consortium as well as DRB-Hicom are currently involved in Double Trackking Railway Project.

30 biliion on tunneling job is too much...

make it elevated lah,or at least change our law so that tunnel can be korek under someone else's houses to keep the tunnel straits and the same time reduce cost..

30 biliion on tunneling job is too much...

make it elevated lah,or at least change our law so that tunnel can be korek under someone else's houses to keep the tunnel straits and the same time reduce cost..don't forget that there are a lot of open spaces under KL - limestone rock, caverns, underground rivers, etc.

So the alignment of the tunnels will have to follow areas where tunneling can happen safely.

One of my engineer friends who did the consulting work for the Kelana Jaya LRT (PUTRA back then) told me about how they had to basically construct a tunnel and shift an underground river in order to have support for the LRT tunnel :nuts:

Cheers, m

don't forget that there are a lot of open spaces under KL - limestone rock, caverns, underground rivers, etc.

So the alignment of the tunnels will have to follow areas where tunneling can happen safely.

One of my engineer friends who did the consulting work for the Kelana Jaya LRT (PUTRA back then) told me about how they had to basically construct a tunnel and shift an underground river in order to have support for the LRT tunnel :nuts:

Cheers, m

But If the law change, tunneling works would be much easier than before... At least :cheers:

i still like it to be elevated..

reduce construction time,reduce cost.most importantly it give klites a shade from the sun and shelter from the rain..we are in the tropic for crying out,not in far away cold drench country..

Hopefully the new MRT line at the downtown area is underground. No noise pollution.

^^

kapcai and honking metrobus are louder..

i still like it to be elevated..

reduce construction time,reduce cost.most importantly it give klites a shade from the sun and shelter from the rain..we are in the tropic for crying out,not in far away cold drench country..

Elevated viaducts are noisy, bulky, artificially darken the city below, weather horribly in our climate and are eyesores to central cityscapes. We are at a point where we have to start treasuring our urban environment and space, if we want to move forward to first class mentality.

Building it underground in the city centre is not something extraordinary or extravagant. Almost all major metro systems of the world function this way and it is an accepted cost element of the network among world class cities and their governments. Integrating multiple lines efficiently is also much easier underground than elevated

If you need to walk under shade then build proper pedestrians links with adequate shelter – it is ridiculous to rely on make-do pedestrian paths under an elevated viaduct where people would have to walk into support columns every few hundred feet. In a country where even umbrellas are inadequate, there is little chance that a viaduct at it typical height will give you enough shelter from the rain either.

Elevated viaducts are noisy, bulky, artificially darken the city below, weather horribly in our climate and are eyesores to central cityscapes. We are at a point where we have to start treasuring our urban environment and space, if we want to move forward to first class mentality.

darken the city below is a blessing for pedestrian,motorist and motorcyclist.we could do with few more shadow anyway.if MRT viaduct is ungly,then all highway need to be replanted underground as it is too,is ugly.just like our neigbour perhabs,lets bury everything.all motorcycle and busses had to be banned as it too,is noisy.

but i agreed,that selective discrimination is a virtue in those 1st world country.1st world mentality should be where our citizen can build and planned something that suit our environment,not just blindly follow others in a coal wet country..just look our teres house and at how we suppose to dress,everyday,here in the tropics we are wearing something that should be worn in a cold climate. and live in a houses that poorly ventilated as if we are fighting extreme cold,rather than heat. if u see how the american in florida are wearing or japanese coolasia programme,in the summer,then we could see how 3rd class our mentalities are..PRETENDING that this is not a tropical country.

anywayy,i find elevated structure are sexy,and a great addition to KL,rather than the boring look of other cities who hide everything underground..we are not our neighbor,we have plenty of land,that allowed for awesome elevated highway,MRT and more space public space and park..

Building it underground in the city centre is not something extraordinary or extravagant. Almost all major metro systems of the world function this way and it is an accepted cost element of the network among world class cities and their governments. Integrating multiple lines efficiently is also much easier underground than elevated

with KL geologies of unstable rock,underground caves and rivers and our law than prevented digging under non public land,make tunneling cost an extreme extravagant..afterall it did not serve any useful purpose.other than to hide what some people regard as ugly,how could we affort it as at the same time some malaysian are w/out electricity,water,road,busses,scholl and what not....untill our law is ammend to allowed connecting point A to point B in a straight line,if this reduce construction cost then by all mean,just do it.

If you need to walk under shade then build proper pedestrians links with adequate shelter – it is ridiculous to rely on make-do pedestrian paths under an elevated viaduct where people would have to walk into support columns every few hundred feet. In a country where even umbrellas are inadequate, there is little chance that a viaduct at it typical height will give you enough shelter from the rain either.

its not about adequate shelter,ever drive and thinking it would be great for so shadow to reduce the blazzing sun and heat,or some stucture than partially sheltered u from drenching in the rain,or in the case of driving,actually seeing the road,without being blinded by the XXL size droplet.

but most importantly,
153km of MRT cost 43bil,and 30 bil for tunneling work..

funny enought that 30bil tunnel can buy ourself almost 700km of EDT for KTM eastcoast line..or maybe an ERL to singapore..

with KL geologies of unstable rock,underground caves and rivers and our law than prevented digging under non public land,make tunneling cost an extreme extravagant..afterall it did not serve any useful purpose.other than to hide what some people regard as ugly,how could we affort it as at the same time some malaysian are w/out electricity,water,road,busses,scholl and what not....untill our law is ammend to allowed connecting point A to point B in a straight line,if this reduce construction cost then by all mean,just do it.


I think if we have underground system, the cost would overrun by RM50 billion or more. In Malaysia, there's no way they can build underground under private land, not to mention not to disturb the super messy underground piping and sewerage system. All these factors are unlike in Singapore or Shanghai, where the government is strong enough to implement things.

It's really a too expensive thing to do and waste of money if the government is gonna payoff those owners of land that the underground MRT will go through. Changing the law? I think there's no way to change the law if the government wants the support, i.e. of the mamak owners.

Like it or not, best option is Elevated.

a highlight from Business Times:

"The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it."


Read more: Right time for MRT http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/mrt24/Article/#ixzz0rpcktuoB

a highlight from Business Times:

"The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it."


Read more: Right time for MRT http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/mrt24/Article/#ixzz0rpcktuoB


wat a coincidence that we mention about it here and it's on newspaper today.....!!!



Right time for MRT
By Shahriman Johari | Published: June 25, 2010 | Business Times
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/mrt24/Article/index_html#ixzz0rpgvXd5i

The economic benefits of a mass rapid transit (MRT) system are significant as it could raise the value of property, among other things, but the timing needs to be right as otherwise it could lose its effectiveness.

Outside of Kuala Lumpur, it has been proposed to have MRT stations in Sungai Buloh, Seri Kembangan and even Kajang, sources said.

Within the capital city, it would run under Kampung Baru, an area slated for redevelopment, and provide connections between the existing light rail transit lines.

"Any land that's underdeveloped, the value will be unlocked. It is a very comprehensive paper," one source said.

However, it is unclear when the project, estimated to cost more than RM30 billion, will start although it was mentioned under the 10th Malaysia Plan.

The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it.

The MRT project was pitched to the government by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd, which built the RM2 billion Storm-water Management and Road Tunnel to alleviate flooding in Kuala Lumpur.

The Gamuda-MMC tie-up is also building the RM12 billion double-tracking rail between Ipoh and Padang Besar in Perlis.

Apart from giving the much-needed connectivity for Kuala Lumpur's fragmented public transport system, proponents of the MRT project point to its multiplier effect.

The double-tracking project, for instance, will generate an estimated RM25 billion worth of downstream economic activities, or more than double its investment.

But work on the MRT needs to start soon for the economy to feel the full tangible benefits of the project.

Based on the Income-Population Normalised (IPN) Index, which measures when an MRT should open, Kuala Lumpur is ready for one.

The IPN Index was developed by Surya Raj Acharya, a senior research fellow at the Institute for Transport Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, and Shigeru Morichi, a professor at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies, also in Tokyo.

It takes into account the income per capita and the city's population.

This means that the impact of an MRT will not be so significant if the investment is made too late. In other words, if more of the city's population has more income, it will be tougher to get them to take the MRT as they will be too comfortable with their cars.

Kuala Lumpur's IPN Index is 0.88 based on the forecast gross domestic product per capita of US$7,547 (RM24,301) and a population of 1.8 million by this year.

If the index is below 0.77, it means that it is too early to have an MRT, while an index higher than 1.20 indicates that it is too late.

Hong Kong opened its MRT in 1979 after investing some HK$20 billion (RM8.6 billion). It carried some 3.76 million passengers in 2008 and is one of the leading models for MRT development.

Singapore, however, opened its MRT in 1987 after investing some S$40 billion (RM93 billion).

LATEST NEWS: MRT project may be tough to pull off, says OSK
Updates by Business Times
June 25, 2010
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20100625122051/Article/index_html#ixzz0rpsyZEbt

While describing the proposed RM36 billion Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project as good, OSK Research however feels it may be difficult to pull off.

Funding, it highlighted, will be a prime concern given the government's efforts to cut the deficit.

"Indeed, the MRT proposal sounds like a very good plan in enhancing public transportation within the Klang Valley.

"However, we remain doubtful if the project will take off that quickly, and if at all," OSK said in its research note today.

It said RM36 billion is a "gigantic sum to fork out" and if approved, the MRT would be Malaysia's single largest project implemented to date.

OSK also said the implementation of such large scale jobs are usually faced with many hiccups.

"The RM12.5 billion Electrified Double Track project is an example. It was awarded in 2003, before being pulled back and re-awarded again, only in end-2007.

"Further, we understand that 50 per cent of the LRT (Light Rail Transit) extension alignment, has yet to be finalised. We think the priority is to get the LRT started first," it added.

Other factors include land issues, resistance from political opposition parties and pressure from "well connected" developers to change the alignment, it added.

Commenting on Gamuda's electrified double track project, OSK said it is now 44 per cent complete, with 95 per cent of the required land, handed over.

Meanwhile, MIDF Research House said the proposed MRT project would be the key catalyst for Gamuda's stock in the near term.

It said Gamuda-MMC JV is currently in advanced discussions with the government for the proposed MRT project that was presented to the government in January this year.

The construction works of the MRT is targeted to start by January 2011, if everything goes as planned and all necessary approvals are obtained from the relevant parties, MIDF said.

The research house also said Gamuda-MMC has indicated, it is targeting to undertake the underground portion of the works, estimated at 30 per cent of the total project or RM11 billion. (Different sources different amount)

"Meanwhile, the remaining 70 per cent or RM25 billion for above ground works will be tendered out to other contractors, with Gamuda-MMC JV being the project manager.

"Gamuda-MMC JV is banking on its track record for the RM11 billion electrified double tracking project as well as the construction of the Kaohsiung MRT project in Taiwan to secure the proposed project," it explained.

Gamuda's orderbook now stand at RM6.5 billion.--Bernama




Gamuda, MMC may need RM4.8b for MRT job
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20100625103829/Article/index_html#ixzz0rptn7qTG

GAMUDA Bhd and MMC Corp may need to raise RM4.8 billion for working capital and a performance bond if their joint venture is chosen to oversee a proposed RM36 billion mass rail project in Kuala Lumpur, Citigroup Inc said in a report today.

Gamuda and MMC’s joint venture proposal is being considered by Malaysia’s government and a decision is likely before year-end, Citi wrote. - Bloomberg

Gamuda plans for 3 lines; red, green and circle. Anyone seen the plan?

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Ambank upbeat on Gamuda’s chances to clinch KL MRT job
By Lee Wei Lian
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/business/article/ambank-upbeat-on-gamudas-chances-to-clinch-kl-mrt-job/

KUALA LUMPUR, June 25 —

Based on Gamuda’s proposal, the MRT system will have three new lines — red, green and circle lines, be built in three phases up until 2019.

The circle line would integrate all the rail systems, while the red line would line Damansara to Cheras and green line would link Kepong to Serdang.

Oi not again. Last time it was kepong-cheras, and damansara-serdang ....

who is reporting the accurate one now? :ohno:


Damansara to Serdang (TEdge)

OR

Damansara to Cheras (TMI)


Kepong to Cheras (TEdge)

OR

Kepong to Serdang (TMI)

darken the city below is a blessing for pedestrian,motorist and motorcyclist.we could do with few more shadow anyway.if MRT viaduct is ungly,then all highway need to be replanted underground as it is too,is ugly.just like our neigbour perhabs,lets bury everything.all motorcycle and busses had to be banned as it too,is noisy.

but i agreed,that selective discrimination is a virtue in those 1st world country.1st world mentality should be where our citizen can build and planned something that suit our environment,not just blindly follow others in a coal wet country..just look our teres house and at how we suppose to dress,everyday,here in the tropics we are wearing something that should be worn in a cold climate. and live in a houses that poorly ventilated as if we are fighting extreme cold,rather than heat. if u see how the american in florida are wearing or japanese coolasia programme,in the summer,then we could see how 3rd class our mentalities are..PRETENDING that this is not a tropical country.

anywayy,i find elevated structure are sexy,and a great addition to KL,rather than the boring look of other cities who hide everything underground..we are not our neighbor,we have plenty of land,that allowed for awesome elevated highway,MRT and more space public space and park..

Selective discrimination? What on earth are you talking about?

We have never followed or “copied” any international best-practices thoroughly – which is why we are constantly stuck in a tidak-apa third-world mess. Let us face and accept that our neighbour and her counterparts in the developed world are decades ahead of us in urban management. In fact, Singapore is almost always cited as the best example of urban planning while we are a world-renown example for poor public transport and no urban planning.

Your argument on terrace houses and fashion is absurd because by your logic, everyone in the tropics, men and women should live bare chested in tree houses. As for viaducts being sexy and a great addition to city – your sudden love for KL is highly dubious.

with KL geologies of unstable rock,underground caves and rivers and our law than prevented digging under non public land,make tunneling cost an extreme extravagant..afterall it did not serve any useful purpose.other than to hide what some people regard as ugly,how could we affort it as at the same time some malaysian are w/out electricity,water,road,busses,scholl and what not....untill our law is ammend to allowed connecting point A to point B in a straight line,if this reduce construction cost then by all mean,just do it.

Please do not over-dramatize the construction of tunnels to imply that it is impossible or never done before in KL. Long term public transport infrastructure is expensive but your priorities for integration and planning provisions have to be balanced with a staggered implementation program and a civilized concern for the urban environment, culture and space. As a matter of fact, current railway regulations make it technically illegal to build elevated viaducts in dense city centres(like the one along Jalan Tun Perak) because of railway protection zones. But anyhow, many other laws will have to be inevitably amended to facilitate public transport restructuring exercises– not only those concerning underground land ownership issues.

its not about adequate shelter,ever drive and thinking it would be great for so shadow to reduce the blazzing sun and heat,or some stucture than partially sheltered u from drenching in the rain,or in the case of driving,actually seeing the road,without being blinded by the XXL size droplet.

Well, that’s exactly why you should build dedicated disabled-friendly pedestrian links with shelters – not half-baked, disjointed or coincidental footpaths.

Wow, It is going to be interesting, i hoped it would be 100% tunnel than elevated, or partially elevated in suburban area.

i would be doubted that how many coring machine is needed if this is ready to be kick-off, just hopefully that several tunnel coring machine is initiated at one time and hopefully it would be partially open for public usage and need not to be waited until year 2019..

maybe prioritize some of the route is most important, just wondering which part of KL is mostly populated, Damansara? Kepong? Cheras? or Serdang? Anyone knows?

from TMI

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/images/uploads/2010/06/25/mrt-grafikx.jpg

from TMI

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/images/uploads/2010/06/25/mrt-grafikx.jpg

LOL, which "Taman Kooperasi" ?

Why do I have the impression that MMC-GAMUDA is railroading everyone to have their way, and why is SPNB is so silent on this one.

You can see the approximate alignment here.

http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/

ROUTES:

RED LINE
RRIM Sungai Buloh - Damansara - Masjid Jamek - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Sungei Besi - Serdang

GREEN LINE
Kepong - Setapak - Kampung Baru/KLCC - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Cheras (Taman Kooperasi)


This topic is soooo hottttt now.... More updates coming soon.......

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Which line are they going to build first? I am sure they are not going to start all three simultaneously?

ROUTES:

RED LINE
RRIM Sungai Buloh - Damansara - Sri Hartamas - Jalan Kuching - Masjid Jamek - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Sungei Besi - Serdang

GREEN LINE
Kepong - Setapak - Kampung Baru/KLCC - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Cheras (Taman Kooperasi)


This topic is soooo hottttt now.... More updates coming soon.......

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ooops some mistake there, revised:

RED LINE
RRIM Sungai Buloh - Damansara - Sri Hartamas - Jalan Kuching - Masjid Jamek - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Sungei Besi - Serdang

The Interchanges seem like not really enough, What do you think?

Mostly elevated, elevated track will somehow reduce the value of the lands as it will create noise pollution and might faced objection of neighbourhood whereby some of them might be a spoiler for this mega project.. To prevent these cumbresome, they might planned the rail in city centre to be mostly underground and since tunnel coring machine will be deployed, they might think of making full use of its..

Prolly my opinion, how do you all think about this?

^^ like i said 30bil tunneling job is enough for EDT at lest 700km long..and considering KL fragile geologies,there might be cases of cave in,like in the SMART,cost may spiral,building may collapsed,but ll the thing a speculative thus the word "may", but it still a difficult engineering works and it will be too high a cost and risk for me..

make it elevated,its cheaper,faster to construct,low risk and we can use the additional fund to have longer MRT and EDT of KTM track..


a highlight from Business Times:

"The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it."


Read more: Right time for MRT http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/mrt24/Article/#ixzz0rpcktuoB


if i had a land,i'll fight tool and nail to get the compensation even though it didn't affect me at all..WHO DON'T WANT FREE MONEY RIGHT?..at least i wanna insurance so that my building will not be affected..

what more the land owner there should be powerful and influential people

Hey Allurban,

I went to Transit and saw the proposed map in your website. Can I have it in the original form? Thanks

darken the city below is a blessing for pedestrian,motorist and motorcyclist.we could do with few more shadow anyway.if MRT viaduct is ungly,then all highway need to be replanted underground as it is too,is ugly.just like our neigbour perhabs,lets bury everything.all motorcycle and busses had to be banned as it too,is noisy.


I think he does not mean that every station of the MRT should be built underground just specific station in KL CBD...:cheers:
BTW, do ppl really walk under the elevated tracks???

I once took the underground Highway in Singapore, it was perfect and cool...:nuts:

By TRANSIT
Source: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3872/fortransitmrtklangvalle.jpg

Acknowledgment: TRANSIT.my

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3872/fortransitmrtklangvalle.jpg

I find it wasteful for the Loop Line to run parallel with the Current Ampang Line. More places need to be covered such as Old Klang Road, Ampang area, Bandar Sunway, etc.....





My Proposal for RED LINE:

1. Paya Jaras Depot/Bandar Baru Sungei Buloh
2. Rubber Research Institute/Subang 2
3. Sungei Buloh KTM (*)
4. Damansara Damai (Bus Terminal)
5. Kota Damansara
6. Pelangi Damansara
7. Mutiara Damansara
8. Bandar Utama Damansara (Coach Terminal in 1U)
9. Damansara Uptown
10. Damansara Intan/Tropicana City
11. PJ Seksyen 16/Phileo Damansara
12. Universiti Malaya Campus North
13. Pusat Bandar Damansara (*)
14. Jalan Semantan
15. Tasik Perdana/Lake Gardens
16. Bukit Aman
17. Masjid Jamek LRT (*)
18. Bukit Ceylon
19. Bukit Bintang Monorail (*)
20. Dataran Perdana/Proposed KLIFC MRT Interchange (*)
21. Jalan Kampung Pandan
22. Pandan Indah LRT (*)
23. Taman Kencana
24. Kampung Cheras Baru, off Jalan Kuari
25. Pusat Bandar Cheras/Cheras Business Centre
26. Taman Midah MRT Interchange (*)
27. HUKM Bandar Tun Razak
28. Desa Petaling East
29. Alam Damai
30. Sungei Besi RMAF/Proposed City of Malaysia
31. Mines Resort City Seri Kembangan
32. Mines South Lake/Taman Sungei Besi Indah
33. Serdang KTM (*)
34. Serdang Baru/Serdang Jaya
35. Universiti Pertanian Malaysia
36. Taman Equine/Taman Pinggiran Putra
37. Taman Lestari Permai
38. Putrajaya Sentral ERL/P-Monorail Interchange (*)

It's really a too expensive thing to do and waste of money if the government is gonna payoff those owners of land that the underground MRT will go through. Changing the law? I think there's no way to change the law if the government wants the support, i.e. of the mamak owners.

Like it or not, best option is Elevated.

I think we Malaysians are too selfish... waiting government to pay dem off, I think we shud support the government rather than making money from the law or threatening by not supporting dem lolz... anyway it jus underground, its not like a fly-over, or "elevated MRT tracks" fly through ur house lolz :nuts:

Hey Allurban,

I went to Transit and saw the proposed map in your website. Can I have it in the original form? Thankssend TRANSIT an email and we will ask the designer if he is ok with it. In the meantime, you are welcome to download it from our website.

klangvalley.transit@gmail.com

Check out http://bit.ly/95cHsn today and you will be able to compare 4 out of 5 LRT/MRT proposals (the designer is still working on the DBKL map which is hard to figure out)

Cheers, m

By TRANSIT
Source: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3872/fortransitmrtklangvalle.jpg

Acknowledgment: TRANSIT.my

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3872/fortransitmrtklangvalle.jpg

I find it wasteful for the Loop Line to run parallel with the Current Ampang Line. More places need to be covered such as Old Klang Road, Ampang area, Bandar Sunway, etc..... we believe the plan is to use the spur line as part of the circle line, so the Ampang line would possibly disappear from the map - it would depend on the final construction - they might keep the interchange after all. Do note that a great deal of that circle line will be at grade or elevated - the underground portions are in Mont Kiara and Bangsar.

Cheers, m

the damansara uptown to kelana jaya spur is missing from the map!!!
or is it has been cancel?

i hope they extend KJL to batu caves and extend EDT from batu caves to meet up with KTM NSL,and subangjaya-SBZ-kuang spurline.multiple circle maybe needed, after all a lot of people does not just travel from suburb to CBD,but also between suburbs to suburbs.

brothers, u guys are so excited with the new lines?

BUt betulke these lines will be built?

send TRANSIT an email and we will ask the designer if he is ok with it. In the meantime, you are welcome to download it from our website.

klangvalley.transit@gmail.com

Check out http://bit.ly/95cHsn today and you will be able to compare 4 out of 5 LRT/MRT proposals (the designer is still working on the DBKL map which is hard to figure out)

Cheers, m

I am trying to do a desk study, with the bukhrin map on my free time. I will email you and ask about the picture later.

p/s Bukhrin, if you dont mind, I would like to get your permission for my desk study, and I may remodify your map. johnsonooijunsheng@gmail.com

the damansara uptown to kelana jaya spur is missing from the map!!!
or is it has been cancel?

Frankly, that one came out from the previous Minister's (OTK) mouth. I'm a resident nearby but I do not know how the residents here will protest.

Btw, there's alot of land in Kampung Kayu Ara waiting for some hopes of future development. I suggest a spur line from MRT RED LINE, as follows:
1. Bandar Utama MRT-LRT Spur Line Interchange (*)
2. Pelangi Utama/Kayu Ara
3. Damansara Jaya (near the river area)
4. Taman SEA SS23
5. Kampung Cempaka/Dataran Prima
6. Lembah Subang LRT (*)

The ending line will be Lembah Subang, which is part of the KJ Line Extension. The routes above wll go through vacant or industrial land or along the Kayu Ara River. This vital connection will also lessen the traffic significantly on LDP and bring much-needed development of pockets of land in those places.

I also don't recommend connection from Damansara Uptown straight into Kelana Jaya LRT. Those two places has minimal "space" anymore. Bandar Utama and Lembah Subang has at least more space for connection or even a depot!



brothers, u guys are so excited with the new lines?
BUt betulke these lines will be built?

we are watching out on potential corruptions :lol:

I find it wasteful for the Loop Line to run parallel with the Current Ampang Line. More places need to be covered such as Old Klang Road, Ampang area, Bandar Sunway, etc.....


Hi Patchay,

Lines directly adjacent to each other usually means lines running on shared tracks. That is how I interpret their proposal anyway, and as you said, creating another set of parallel tracks and stations doesn't make sense. "Virtual" lines sharing tracks are pretty normal actually, we can see this in LU's subsurface lines and also in the NY Subway. All you need is interoperability between those lines and some pretty tough track schedulings.

So based on the proposal, if we are to assume that the circle line will be as such, we can make out some pretty obvious conclusions.


The circle line will be on standard gauge
It will not be running on Bombardier LIM system
It will not have ATO
It will have the same loading gauge as the Ampang line (so no 3 + meter wide MRT rolling stocks there.
It will have the same platform length.


Frankly I'm ok with most of that.

But these LRT/MRT classification things doesn't make any sense, just semantics, if it's an 8 x 2.95m car ART Mark II train would you still call it an LRT ? So another thing that we have to watch out with their proposal is how long the platform is going to be. Don't want to be another Vancouver eh :ohno: ?

we believe the plan is to use the spur line as part of the circle line, so the Ampang line would possibly disappear from the map - it would depend on the final construction - they might keep the interchange after all. Do note that a great deal of that circle line will be at grade or elevated - the underground portions are in Mont Kiara and Bangsar.

Cheers, m

He he, the circle line is pretty funny, if you're from KJ you need to go all the way to the east where you'll have two interchanges! and if you're from Sri Petaling you need to stop at CSL and take a train to Miharja. :banana: :banana:

And all this while I thought that circle lines was to disperse passengers to other radial lines before they get to the city center. :ohno:

I am trying to do a desk study, with the bukhrin map on my free time. I will email you and ask about the picture later.

p/s Bukhrin, if you dont mind, I would like to get your permission for my desk study, and I may remodify your map. johnsonooijunsheng@gmail.com

No problem, this is a collaboration, so all efforts add up at the end. And err the DBKL map is still WIP, albeit slowly, blame it on the vuvuzelas. :nuts:

Saturday June 26, 2010
Public transport poised for change
Stories by RISEN JAYASEELAN and SHARIDAN M. ALI
starbizweek@thestar.com.my


IT may be an old issue but public transport is hogging the limelight again.

A new regulator has been tasked with the ambitious plan of drawing up a well-researched masterplan for public transport in the Klang Valley and the rest of the country. At the same time, two well-known construction companies have taken the initiative to draw up a plan for a much-awaited mass transit system (MRT), which no one disputes will propel the state of public transport in the Klang Valley to new heights, if executed well.

The public are excited that for once in their lives, there could be real connectivity from home to work. But there are also concerns if such a mega project will be well planned and whether it will be too much of a strain on the Government’s resources.


Moaz Yusuf Ahmad, who runs The Association For The Improvement Of Mass Transit (Transit), a consumer association championing better public transport, says existing systems need to be made better first.

“Before we can build more light rail transit (LRT) or MRT lines, we have to solve the existing problems in the industry, such as public transport workers’ salaries and benefits, flouting of rules, dismal safety record, and above all, the ineffective and costly ‘entrepreneurial’ model for public transport, which has done little for the industry beyond enriching permit owners,” he says.

To be sure, there are already plans afoot to enhance the existing public transport systems. The recently-formed Land Public Transport Commission or SPAD has been tasked with carrying out the initiatives for the National Key Result Area (NKRA) for urban public transport under the Government Transformation Programme.

These include re-routing buses through less congested highways and even having more specialised lanes for buses. There are also plans to increase the number of trains on the existing LRT and KTM Bhd Komuter and the monorail. In addition, there are two major extensions planned for the LRT.

However, there is a view that buses and the existing rail infrastructure alone will not cater to the growing needs of public transport in the Klang Valley.

Data compiled by SPAD indicates that Klang Valley’s rail coverage still lags behind most major cities in the world, in terms of km per million population. Even if the LRT extentions are included, the Klang Valley’s rail km per million population would stand at 32 versus an average of 34 for the cities of London, New York, Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo.

But data extracted from the recent proposal by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd for an MRT project in the Klang Valley shows that the gap is much wider, with Kuala Lumpur’s rail network being only 15km per one million population versus most other cities with over 40km per one million people.

No wonder then that the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP) specifically mentions that the public would get to enjoy an MRT system 156km long and covering a 20km radius around the Kuala Lumpur city centre, carrying two million passenger trips per day when completed.

The 10MP does not, however, state the deadline for constructing the MRT system to overcome traffic congestion and transform the “Livability of Greater Kuala Lumpur” into a global city.


Property play

Gamuda group managing director Datuk Lin Yun Ling feels that merely relying on buses will not solve the solution in the long run. “You don’t want a situation where the traffic is transferred from one road to another as that leads to more congestion somewhere else. Highway development cannot keep up with the increasing volume of cars,” he says, adding that “the country should have started this (MRT) a long time ago.”

Another key aspect of the Gamuda-MMC proposal is that it stands to unlock land values, especially so as it connects major planned property development projects. These include major land privatisation projects in the Klang Valley.

The planned MRT route reaches the Matrade redevelopment area by the Naza Group, the proposed Sungai Besi redevelopment and the planned Kuala Lumpur International Financial District on 85 acres popularly known as Dataran Perdana.

“It is a no-brainer. The MRT will bring about a positive impact on values of real estate located within walking distance of the MRT stations,” says property consultant and map-maker Ho Chin Soon.

On the flipside, there is the concern of over-development and a property glut. “What you don’t want to see is all this massive investment goes into creating new pockets of development with MRT stations nicely built up to access these places, but they end up not being used due to a possible glut of such properties,” cautions Elvin Fernandez, managing director of property valuer and consultancy firm Khong & Jaafar Sdn Bhd.

Who’s going to pay for MRT?


Another major issue with regard to the planned MRT will be funding. Reports have indicated that the Gamuda-MMC MRT project could cost RM36bil. If land acquisition, rolling stock and the redevelopment of underground commercial space are included, the figure could top RM43bil.

The question is, who will fund this?

Thus far, the 10MP has been silent on how the MRT will be funded. The Gamuda-MMC proposal, based on those familiar with it, assumes that the Government will foot the bill on the basis that the economic returns from the project are very high. (See page 22). To be noted is that public funding for MRTs is typically absorbed by the government, like in Singapore and London.

It is also worth noting that the two LRT operators had to transfer the rail lines to the government-owned Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd in 2002, while the monorail was transferred in 2007. The operators had found themselves in financial distress after failing to make sufficient returns on the operations to finance debts incurred during the construction as well as other operational requirements.

Still, aside from the economic benefits, there are other multiplier effects that a project like the MRT will bring about. Construction and building materials will benefit, and jobs will be created for engineers, designers, architects and the likes.

Hence it is understood that some quarters are expecting the Government to fund the MRT from the savings from reducing fuel subsidies.

But that may not be so easy, points out Yeonzon Yeow, head of research at Kenanga Investment Bank. “The idea that the Government will finance it (MRT) with savings from eliminating fuel subsidies is theoretical at best. Remember that fuel subsidies affect everyone in the country. There would be questions if you used that savings just to enhance the transport system in the Klang Valley,” Yeow says.

He adds that if the funding is raised though bonds guaranteed by the Government, it (the Government) may ultimately have to bear the burden if the project is not able to cough up sufficient cash flows from ticket sales. “Will that fit in with the Government’s austerity drive to bring the budget deficit to below 2.8% by 2015,” he asks.

The only mega rail-based private-sector driven public transport system that had not needed a major bailout is the Express Rail Link Sdn Bhd (ERL), which operates the KLIA Ekspres and and KLIA Transit train services. Its executive chairman, Datuk Mohd Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, who is also a major player in the public bus sector through his Konsortium Transnational Bhd (KTB), agrees that the MRT is a step in the right direction but that careful planning will be key.

“The structure of public transport should be better planned so that there should not be any more bailouts like in the past. Instead of spending a large sum of money on mega projects, the government should have short-term, medium-term and longer-term plans, to alleviate the congestion in the city,” he says.

At the same time, he adds, private sector involvement in the running of public transport is important. “The private players are actually best suited to bring about the necessary efficiencies and new revenue streams like exploiting advertising opportunities on the vehicles.

He says the Government cannot afford to go on subsidising public transport. “It has to be efficiently run and at the same time, it has to be attractively priced. It can be well planned so that it can get sufficient numbers using it and then the returns from ticket sales can go a long way into subsidising both the operational and capital expenditure of the new systems,” he argues.

He cautions though that before the MRT is agreed upon, more detailed study of the needs of public transport should be done. “The methodology of public transport planning should be given a lot of thought and effort. At the moment, we don’t have this data. We don’t know where the real needs of public transport are,” he says.

Will SPAD get it right?

And that’s where SPAD comes in. Its officials have said they will study the MRT proposals (the one from Gamuda-MMC and any other ones that goes to the Government) and incorporate all of that if possible into its own public transport masterplan for the Klang Valley.

SPAD in fact is being tasked with revamping the entire public transport system. Besides the Klang Valley masterplan, which will be due in six months time at the earliest, SPAD will also be given the mandate to take over all licence issuing authorities, reorganise the bus network in the Klang Valley, integrate smart ticketing and monitor the overall standard performance of all public transport services, to name a few.

SPAD chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar told a news conference on Thursday that it aimed to more than double travel on public transport to 25% by end-2012 from 12% currently. “Yes, it is ambitious, but achievable. This is the first time we have a specific body to deal with the various land public transport issues,” he added.


But it is going to be an uphill task. Policy setting, operations, regulation and enforcement of public transport has been spread throughout a multitude of Government departments, agencies, including state bodies. SPAD has to not only communicate and extract data and expertise from these bodies, it also plans to usurp most of their powers. “This is going to be SPAD’s single biggest challenge, especially when it comes to the issuance of lucrative licences. Will SPAD be able to reorganise that?” questions a government official who declines to be quoted.

On a positive note, SPAD has been placed under the Prime Minister’s Office and that should give it the necessary clout to do its job well.

Overhauling the state of public transport in the Klang Valley is “not rocket science” says KTB’s Nadzmi. Adds Transit’s Moaz, “If we truly want to see public transport change over the next five years, we need a real vision for service-based public transport that puts people first, and focuses on performance. Other countries have done that, so Malaysia should be able to do it too.”
http://http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/26/business/6551260&sec=business

http://http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/26/business/6551260&sec=business

The 10MP does not, however, state the deadline for constructing the MRT system to overcome traffic congestion and transform the “Livability of Greater Kuala Lumpur” into a global city.

Another major issue with regard to the planned MRT will be funding. Reports have indicated that the Gamuda-MMC MRT project could cost RM36bil. If land acquisition, rolling stock and the redevelopment of underground commercial space are included, the figure could top RM43bil.

The question is, who will fund this?

Thus far, the 10MP has been silent on how the MRT will be funded. The Gamuda-MMC proposal, based on those familiar with it, assumes that the Government will foot the bill on the basis that the economic returns from the project are very high. (See page 22). To be noted is that public funding for MRTs is typically absorbed by the government, like in Singapore and London.

He says the Government cannot afford to go on subsidising public transport. “It has to be efficiently run and at the same time, it has to be attractively priced. It can be well planned so that it can get sufficient numbers using it and then the returns from ticket sales can go a long way into subsidising both the operational and capital expenditure of the new systems,” he argues.

He cautions though that before the MRT is agreed upon, more detailed study of the needs of public transport should be done. “The methodology of public transport planning should be given a lot of thought and effort. At the moment, we don’t have this data. We don’t know where the real needs of public transport are,” he says.

Overhauling the state of public transport in the Klang Valley is “not rocket science” says KTB’s Nadzmi. Adds Transit’s Moaz, “If we truly want to see public transport change over the next five years, we need a real vision for service-based public transport that puts people first, and focuses on performance. Other countries have done that, so Malaysia should be able to do it too.”
http://http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/26/business/6551260&sec=business

KL needs to have a masterplan on how the rail lines are to be planned, executed and operated.
The above reasons are enough to convince me that we are not ready la.
The Sporeans have rail masterplans that keep them for the next 2 decades, line by line. Kita ni tiba tiba annouce 3 lines, no dates, no timeframe.

the damansara uptown to kelana jaya spur is missing from the map!!!
or is it has been cancel?

i hope they extend KJL to batu caves and extend EDT from batu caves to meet up with KTM NSL,and subangjaya-SBZ-kuang spurline.multiple circle maybe needed, after all a lot of people does not just travel from suburb to CBD,but also between suburbs to suburbs.the Damansara Uptown to Kelana Jaya spur was mooted by Prasarana - you can see it on the website with the other 4 proposals.

The one that Patchay linked is the MMC-Gamuda proposal - they don't have a spur line in their proposal.

Like I said, if you want to see all 5 proposals at once, go to transitmy.org

And if you want to post the proposals here, do so but give credit like @patchay did.

Cheers, m

Adds Transit’s Moaz, “If we truly want to see public transport change over the next five years, we need a real vision for service-based public transport that puts people first, and focuses on performance. Other countries have done that, so Malaysia should be able to do it too.”
http://http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/26/business/6551260&sec=businessActually, I said "put's people first and focuses on performance now" - but I guess the editor thought that was a bit too obvious :lol:

Cheers, m

brothers, u guys are so excited with the new lines?

BUt betulke these lines will be built?everyone's excited - at least the guys here are just excited by the public transport side, not money coming into their pockets ( I assume :lol: )

No, I don't think all the lines will be built. When you see 4 rail network proposals sitting next to each other (transitmy.org) you will wonder why different ideas appear at different times. Of course, the proposals have their own advantages & disadvantages.

Cheers, m

OK, here we go with the comparisons

Fikir Runding 2007 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/005_runding_fikir_alignment.jpg)

http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/005_runding_fikir_alignment.jpg

Prasarana 2009 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/004_prasarana_alignments.jpg)

http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/004_prasarana_alignments.jpg

MMC-Gamuda 2010 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/006_mmc_gamuda_alignments.jpg)

http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/006_mmc_gamuda_alignments.jpg

Which one is best, and why?

Cheers, m

ps. don't forget that an underground MRT will cost approximately RM400-500million per km, while an above ground would cost approximately RM300-350 million per km.

I like to see another new line that can connect Bukit Bintang, KLCC and KL Sentral ..that must be very good!!! :)

i choose gamuda-MMC proposal, with a branch line from anywhere in damansara to KJL

fully elevated,so that we get more KM

Why does the Circle Line skip the KJL with a connection at Bangsar/Abdullah Hukum? That would greatly increase connectivity. I think what one could do was weigh each proposal's pros and cons and combine them to see what can work on easing the other's cons for the best price I guess. That would help lower cost in terms of building but bring the most benefits. The main problem with KL is that there's no one agency in charge of proposing. You have MMC-Gamuda (contractors I believe) coming in with their proposal, then Prasarana (parent company of the operator) and other people stepping in. Here, in Singapore, the Ministry of Transport delegates the proposal work to the LTA (Land Transport Authority). Only they are in charge of the proposals. The operators have no say (else they'd just service the routes with the most demand), they simply bid to operate the line or bus route.

Hope they go for underground despite the huge cost. Invest for the future. Those street level should be reserved for trees and landscaping.

Hope they go for underground despite the huge cost. Invest for the future. Those street level should be reserved for trees and landscaping.in order to be able to go underground, the land has to be conducive to going underground.

That means that the rock needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the tunnel and station box, without collapsing.

There are many places underground around KL that are not strong enough to allow tunneling.

There are also many underground caverns, drop offs, rivers, etc.

Cheers, m

There are also many underground caverns, drop offs, rivers, etc.
Really? That sounds quite cool actually. :) Imagine your MRT travelling through a naturally made cavern. Haha. Oh well, I'm sure they wouldn't do that kind of thing.

Lotsa underground rivers in KL/PJ area.....

i'm not sure but they say our tin-mining soil is really not suitable for long tunnels???

Could be, but I'd wager it'd be a pretty expensive affair.

But I wish it'll be underground at least in the city center, he he, have soft spot for trains travelling underground and with underground stations :P.

Only those 5 stations in KL so x puas. Hope most of it will be like KLCC station or the very least like Ampang Park, you know the one that blends unobtrusively with the built environments. Unlike those big ugly stations like Masjid Jamek and Dang Wangi. :P

But then it could be just me.

http://imacf.macfarlane-web.com/kllrt2paper.htm

You may need to do a CTRL+A to read the text.

Read how they built the KJ Line, tunnels, viaducts, stations et al. Challenges and all.

Of particular interests (for no point at all) is how they built the KJ Lines elevated stations independently of the viaducts unlike the Ampang Line and the designed max capacity of 400,000 pax per day with 4 car trains running at 90 sec headway (at peak hours only I assume).

Enjoy.

Hope they go for underground despite the huge cost. Invest for the future. Those street level should be reserved for trees and landscaping.

and leave other malaysian and even KLites outside the 20km radius with limited public transportation system,so that the 20km radius can look pretty???

i mean if u got 6 people in your family,u don't buy a 2 seater coupe to look cool and let the others take the bus in the rain.wait few more years then buy another coupe..then..few more year another one...no you buys yourself something that worked now,like a MPV

yes most people wont find its sexy,its bulky,it didn't go very fast.but it the sensible thing to do.and its not without any fan.

i really really love the double decker bangkok MRT,as apposed to MTR little box by the corner...being behind other city,what we need is more line,to serve more people, not just short,beautiful line.that serve some.

Really? That sounds quite cool actually. :) Imagine your MRT travelling through a naturally made cavern. Haha. Oh well, I'm sure they wouldn't do that kind of thing.There is one section of Toronto's subway system that used to be open air but it was covered later - it is pretty interesting to see because the old lamps are still operating and it is in the shape of a "valley" instead of a round bored tunnel or cut & cover box.

Cheers, m

http://imacf.macfarlane-web.com/kllrt2paper.htm

You may need to do a CTRL+A to read the text.

Read how they built the KJ Line, tunnels, viaducts, stations et al. Challenges and all.

Of particular interests (for no point at all) is how they built the KJ Lines elevated stations independently of the viaducts unlike the Ampang Line and the designed max capacity of 400,000 pax per day with 4 car trains running at 90 sec headway (at peak hours only I assume).

Enjoy.This part I found to be pretty cool:

Apart from the bored tunnels, there were two sections of cut and cover tunnel with the 500m section at Pasar Seni being of particular interest as it rotated about itself, one over the other, due to the tight constraint of buildings and the adjacent river. The west-end had a 180m cut & cover section which was constructed to initiate the tunnel drive.

Cheers, m

and leave other malaysian and even KLites outside the 20km radius with limited public transportation system,so that the 20km radius can look pretty???

i mean if u got 6 people in your family,u don't buy a 2 seater coupe to look cool and let the others take the bus in the rain.wait few more years then buy another coupe..then..few more year another one...no you buys yourself something that worked now,like a MPV

yes most people wont find its sexy,its bulky,it didn't go very fast.but it the sensible thing to do.and its not without any fan.

i really really love the double decker bangkok MRT,as apposed to MTR little box by the corner...being behind other city,what we need is more line,to serve more people, not just short,beautiful line.that serve some.under that reasoning, it would be better to build BRT & LRT and save some hundreds of millions of RM so that it can be spread around the whole country.

(actually, I have no problem with that. RM1billion each for the Klang Valley, JB, Penang, Kuching, Kota Kinabalu & Ipoh would go quite far if they all build BRT networks at a cost of 15million per km).

Cheers, m

^^ Yeah, it was interesting to read that the Pasar Seni - Masjid Jamek tunnels were stacked. You could sort of tell from the structure, but then again can't be too sure. :lol: :) Next I guess, you'd need cross-platform interchanges in underground stations. That would be cool for KL if they could do it.

KL is in need of MRT.. Since MRT takes so many years to complete, then might as well initiate the project from now.. We cannot wait the situation cannot be content and think of a way to solve the problems, then we will be forever waiting for the MRT to be materialised

To address the urgency of transportation system, maybe government can implement the BRT from now on and try to generate a model into our current KTM and LRT and future MRT and make the whole system to be workable.

from the 3 sketches of future MRT map, i am in favour of fikir runding because it focuses on place with higher density, it prioritize the important route and this is at the utmost importance.. Perhaps this provide space for future expansion deep into suburban.

Why Bangkok and Singapore can have their own version of MRT, but our government still hesitating that the MRT will burdened our government fiscal deficit.. Indeed, they should have forseen our public transport woes and we are way lagged behind from our peers.. Just wondering why our government cannot afford to build a proper public transport system in KL..

Talking bout other states, imagine 30% of our residents are living in KL, therefore we should take more resources to fund our capital growth. From then on, the saving of fuel subsidise can be slowly to fund other states public transport system..

People in KL needed to travel for 1--2 hours to works by their own car, how about people in Penang, i think they needed not more than 1 hours.. So many fuel is being wasted in the klang valley due to traffic congestion. Indeed, most of the klites live in suburban and they can only afford to buy their house there... However in other states, most of the citizen live very near to their working place..

KL really in need a better public transport..

I am now currently living in Singapore and KL transport system is way way lagged behind, i hoped to see some improvement in KL, maybe 10 years later, KL transportation system will be on par with major cities around the world.. Deeply hoped that the government make a better decision from now on...

OK, here we go with the comparisons

Fikir Runding 2007 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/005_runding_fikir_alignment.jpg)
Prasarana 2009 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/004_prasarana_alignments.jpg)
MMC-Gamuda 2010 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/006_mmc_gamuda_alignments.jpg)

Which one is best, and why?

Cheers, m

ps. don't forget that an underground MRT will cost approximately RM400-500million per km, while an above ground would cost approximately RM300-350 million per km.

Prasarana

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9301/prasarana1.jpg

Gamuda

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7882/gamuda1.jpg

I think the route (KD-Cheras) from Pusat Bandar Damansara to Masjid Jamek by Gamuda is useless..Kalau Prasarana pula dia boleh integrate 4 stesen punya lebih2 lagi new integrate at Bangsar and Pasar Seni (Bus hub) are good idea larrrr...

Prasarana

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6707/gamuda2.jpg

Gamuda

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4854/gamuda.jpg

Tapi Prasarana tak integrate ngn Bukit Bintang ....aduhlah
Baik Gamuda plak....OK lar overall Gamuda is quite good...cheers em
(Note: Universiti Malaya will get train station as well :cheers:)

Are they overlooking the jalan duta /mount kiara area all together?

Maybe Circle line by Gamuda...

under that reasoning, it would be better to build BRT & LRT and save some hundreds of millions of RM so that it can be spread around the whole country.

(actually, I have no problem with that. RM1billion each for the Klang Valley, JB, Penang, Kuching, Kota Kinabalu & Ipoh would go quite far if they all build BRT networks at a cost of 15million per km).

Cheers, m

LRT yg mana satu?

singapore style LRT
KL style
or normal style at grade in other country

i don't mind a BRT, afterall curitiba start with BRT untill it reach it max capacity before converting it into MRT,which seems like a sensible thing to do.

anyway 15mil per km is kinna expensive since in melaka 7.6mil can get 1km of 4lane road.

in order to be able to go underground, the land has to be conducive to going underground.

That means that the rock needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the tunnel and station box, without collapsing.

There are many places underground around KL that are not strong enough to allow tunneling.

There are also many underground caverns, drop offs, rivers, etc.

Cheers, m

Where there is a will there will be a way. Always see discovery channel mega builders, they can solve any problems.. A bit difficult and need to spend more money saje..

^^

Mega builder featured the building of SMART once, erm the 2 in one tunnel in KL. If this tunnel can be built then it's possible to build MRT underground too...

Where there is a will there will be a way. Always see discovery channel mega builders, they can solve any problems.. A bit difficult and need to spend more money saje..no doubt they can do it...the question is whether we can afford it or not.

SMART tunnel is a great example of an absolutely vital project - the road and water tunnel has reduced congestion significantly and there havent been any major floods since the tunnel was fully opened (road & water).

But MRT is a tough one - for one thing, it will cost alot more money and there are too many stakeholders involved - as well as other cities to help.

We need to be able to spend a maximum budget (say, starting at RM35 billion to build everything - MRT, LRT, MRT & Monorail) instead of thinking that the sky's the limit.

Besides, a lot of that money will be subject to obvious and not so obvious "leakages" anyways.

Cheers, m

LRT yg mana satu?

singapore style LRT
KL style
or normal style at grade in other country

i don't mind a BRT, afterall curitiba start with BRT untill it reach it max capacity before converting it into MRT,which seems like a sensible thing to do.

anyway 15mil per km is kinna expensive since in melaka 7.6mil can get 1km of 4lane road.15mn per km is a rough estimate --but it would include special pavement, stations, ramps, and buses as well as the depot - plus you can move between 3000-5000 passengers per direction per hour (perhaps more if it were a multilane BRT).

Whereas, 7.6mn gets you a road....

I think that overall the BRT is a far better deal...low cost, high impact.

Cheers, m

Govt may speed up rollout of mega projects
By IZWAN IDRIS Tuesday July 6, 2010

This is to keep growth intact amid shaky global recovery

PETALING JAYA: A shaky global economic recovery may prompt the Government to speed up the rollout of big construction projects at home to keep domestic growth intact.

Mega projects that grabbed the headlines recently include the RM36bil mass rapid transit (MRT) project jointly proposed by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd, the RM7bil light rail transit (LRT) extension programme and the redevelopment of land belonging to the Federal Government.
The bulk of these potential contract awards are expected to go to the bigger players. The awards, if they materialise soon, would be a major boost for the sector.

“While we believe the market is fully aware that certain negative elements are still lingering in the sector, we feel that it is likely to ‘brave’ these negative elements and forge ahead of the curve, underpinned by the collective ‘buy-first-on-news’ mentality,” RHB Research Institute said in a note yesterday.

These so-called negative elements include slow pace of public project awards and the 23% cut in actual project development spending under the 10th Malaysian Plan as compared to the Ninth Malaysia Plan.

RHB Research yesterday upgraded the construction sector to overweight from neutral previously, buoyed by positive newsflow. It listed Gamuda Bhd as its top “tactical” pick, while Sunway Holdings Bhd ranked the highest on its “value” list.

Previous reports indicated that the MRT project might start as soon as early next year, while works to extend the LRT lines would commence by the end of the year.

There is yet to be a formal award of the proposed MRT project, or clear indication that the huge project would even take off soon despite being identified for implementation under the 10th Malaysia Plan.

OSK Research predicted the value of local contracts to be dished out this year to “easily surpass” the total RM10bil recorded in 2009.

The figure excludes potential award of LRT or MRT-related jobs, according to analyst Jeremy Goh who covers the sector at OSK Research.

The firm has a “neutral” view on the construction sector, largely because of unattractive valuations and “lack of significant re-rating” catalyst happening soon.

Shares in Gamuda had risen 22% year-to-date at yesterday’s close of RM3.15, while rival IJM Corp Bhd was up 10% at RM4.93. Construction and property player Malaysian Resources Corp Bhd (MRCB) closed at RM1.52 yesterday, up 22% year-to-date.

MRCB has been linked to the project to develop the Government land in Sungai Buloh, Selangor, although there has been no official award to the company so far.

RHB Research said the market was likely to react positively to the announcement of formal awards of Federal land parcels to “master developers” and the subsequent farming out of the sub-divided smaller land parcels to various developers.

“Given the scale of the projects and that most construction boys are already involved in property business, they are likely to get a slice of the action,” the firm said.

12 weeks to conduct MRT feasibility study
By SHARIDAN M. ALI Friday July 9, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/7/9/business/6630724&sec=business

Consultants said to advise Govt on four main aspects including suitability and cost

PETALING JAYA: The feasibility study on the proposed RM36bil mass rapid transit (MRT) system by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd is expected to be presented to the Government in about three months time, said a source familiar with the matter.

It was earlier reported that the Government had appointed two independent consultants – Minconsult Sdn Bhd and Andercon Technologies Ltd – to carry out the study.

The source said the consultants had been given a period of 12 weeks to revert and present their recommendations on the project to the Government.

“They are to review and advise the Government on the MRT proposal in relation to its suitability with policy objectives, strategies on public transport, socio-economic benefits as well as its feasibility and cost,” it said.

It is understood that the consultants have been hired by the Finance Ministry in consultation with the recently-formed Land Public Transport Commission or SPAD.

SPAD is supposed to coordinate, integrate and regulate all public transport systems in the country as well as come up with a masterplan.

Previous reports indicated that the MRT project might start as soon as early next year.

To recap, MMC and Gamuda in a joint venture, had submitted a proposal dubbed the Klang Valley integrated transportation system, which was presented to the Economic Council in February..

The proposed MRT network consists of two radial lines and a circle line, which has similarities with the train networks in most major cities. It is commonly known as a “wheels and spokes” concept.

In total, the MRT network will cover up to 150km of lines, with about a third of them to be built underground.

Although analysts are generally positive about the project, questions remain as to whether the Government can afford such a massive project. It is also left to be seen if the Gamuda-MMC proposed MRT project will be part of SPAD’s public transport masterplan

Minconsult is multi-disciplinary engineering and project management company that offers a wide range of engineering consultancy services in the civil and structural, mechanical, electrical, petrochemical and environmental fields.

The company was involved in bridge maintenance and management system study for KTMB Bhd, Phase 1 of Star LRT system (now Ampang Line) and the feasibility study for the proposed Kota Damansara-Central Business District-Cheras LRT line, according to its website.

Andercon is a Canada-based company specialising in installing, configuring, and administering Oracle database infrastructures.

MRT offers wider coverage
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/26/business/6548737&sec=business

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2010/6/26/business/MRT.jpg

12 weeks to conduct MRT feasibility study
By SHARIDAN M. ALI Friday July 9, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/7/9/business/6630724&sec=business



PETALING JAYA: The feasibility study on the proposed RM36bil mass rapid transit (MRT) system by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd is expected to be presented to the Government in about three months time, said a source familiar with the matter.

It was earlier reported that the Government had appointed two independent consultants – Minconsult Sdn Bhd and Andercon Technologies Ltd – to carry out the study.

The source said the consultants had been given a period of 12 weeks to revert and present their recommendations on the project to the Government.

“They are to review and advise the Government on the MRT proposal in relation to its suitability with policy objectives, strategies on public transport, socio-economic benefits as well as its feasibility and cost,” it said.

It is understood that the consultants have been hired by the Finance Ministry in consultation with the recently-formed Land Public Transport Commission or SPAD.

SPAD is supposed to coordinate, integrate and regulate all public transport systems in the country as well as come up with a masterplan.

Previous reports indicated that the MRT project might start as soon as early next year.

To recap, MMC and Gamuda in a joint venture, had submitted a proposal dubbed the Klang Valley integrated transportation system, which was presented to the Economic Council in February..

The proposed MRT network consists of two radial lines and a circle line, which has similarities with the train networks in most major cities. It is commonly known as a “wheels and spokes” concept.

In total, the MRT network will cover up to 150km of lines, with about a third of them to be built underground.

Although analysts are generally positive about the project, questions remain as to whether the Government can afford such a massive project. It is also left to be seen if the Gamuda-MMC proposed MRT project will be part of SPAD’s public transport masterplan

Minconsult is multi-disciplinary engineering and project management company that offers a wide range of engineering consultancy services in the civil and structural, mechanical, electrical, petrochemical and environmental fields.

The company was involved in bridge maintenance and management system study for KTMB Bhd, Phase 1 of Star LRT system (now Ampang Line) and the feasibility study for the proposed Kota Damansara-Central Business District-Cheras LRT line, according to its website.

Andercon is a Canada-based company specialising in installing, configuring, and administering Oracle database infrastructures.Seems like the media had a premature response to the leak of the MMC-Gamuda proposal - now I realize that they were leaking the info about their proposal in the days before the 10MP was announced - to make it seem like the government had already accepted their proposal.

Funny thing is that their share prices went down with the announcement, not upwards - and many market analysts suggested a hold or suggested that investors not buy.

(or maybe that was the plan??? Who knows how these crazy stock market manipulations work).

Well, either way it's clear that someone jumped the gun a little bit prematurely - and now the government is conducting the 'independent feasibility study' for a face-saving measure.

Oh well - if you want to participate in a real independent feasibility study, post your comments about the MRT proposal here or on the TRANSIT website (http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/).

Cheers, m

Gamuda thinks it can get the tunnel works. I wonder who are the consultants doing the feasibility study?

UEM Keen On KL MRT Project
July 22, 2010 16:48 PM

KUALA LUMPUR, July 22 (Bernama) -- UEM Group Bhd is keen to bid for the RM43 billion KL MRT project, said Group Managing Director cum Chief Executive Officer Datuk Izzaddin Idris.

"Apparently, the project is to be undetaken by way of tender. If it is open for us to tender, why not," he said when asked if the group was eyeing the project.

However, since the viability of the project is still being determined, it was too premature to talk about it, said Izzadin at a press conference after unveiling the group's five years road map here Thursday.

The KL MRT project is a key project in the 10th Malaysia Plan.

-- BERNAMA

UEM Group plans to bid for MRT project, says MD
Friday July 23, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/7/23/business/6717409&sec=business

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2010/7/23/business/p1-izzaddin.JPG

Datuk Izzaddin Idris at the briefing on Thursday

KUALA LUMPUR: UEM Group Bhd plans to bid for the RM36bil mass rapid transit (MRT) project which will be carried out under the 10th Malaysia Plan.

“Apparently, there will be a tender that will be undertaken, so yes, why not. There is no reason not to bid,” said group managing director and chief executive officer Datuk Izzaddin Idris yesterday.

Thus far, Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd have jointly submitted a proposal on the project.

The proposal is being studied by two government-appointed independent consultants and the results are expected to come out in about three months.

On the progress of the RM4.3bil Penang second bridge now being built by UEM, Izzaddin said it was “on schedule”.

“We are happy with the progress,” he said.

The bridge, earlier scheduled for completion in 2012, will now only be ready in 2013.

Feasibility study on KL MRT to be completed next month
Wednesday August 11, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/8/11/business/6833827&sec=business

KUALA LUMPUR: The feasibility study for the proposed Kuala Lumpur Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system will be completed next month, Land Public Transport Commission (LTC) chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar said.

“Once the three-month study is completed, LTC will look at it and submit it to the government to make the decision,” he said after launching Visa payWave on KLIA Ekspres yesterday.

According to reports, independent consultants Minconsult Sdn Bhd and Andercon Technologies Ltd embarked on the feasibility study a month ago after they were engaged by the Finance Ministry in consultation with LTC.

The RM36bil MRT system is said to be about 156km long, covering a radius of 20km from the city centre and will have a capacity of two million pasengers per day.

“We hope it can come as soon as possible, but we need to make sure that there is a proper study conducted because there will be implications when we want to introduce the MRT,” Syed Hamid said.

Meanwhile, Visa payWave on KLIA Ekspres is a partnership between Express Rail Link Sdn Bhd (ERL) and Visa to enable travelers taking the KLIA Ekspres to experience convenience and contactless payments.

“It will reduce the dependency on cash. Small purchases which are usually paid in cash are now available with Visa payWave,” ERL chief executive officer Noormah Mohd Noor said.

During the promotion period which ends on Oct 31, passengers using the new service at the dedicated gate in KL Sentral will enjoy a 10% discount off the standard KLIA Ekspres fare.

Normah also said ERL expected to see a 5% growth in passenger volume with about 12,000 passengers daily on both KLIA Ekspres and KLIA Transit this year.

Last year, about two million passengers used ERL services. — Bernama

OK, here we go with the comparisons

Fikir Runding 2007 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/005_runding_fikir_alignment.jpg)

http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/005_runding_fikir_alignment.jpg

Prasarana 2009 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/004_prasarana_alignments.jpg)

http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/004_prasarana_alignments.jpg

MMC-Gamuda 2010 (http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/006_mmc_gamuda_alignments.jpg)

http://transitmy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/006_mmc_gamuda_alignments.jpg

Which one is best, and why?

Cheers, m

ps. don't forget that an underground MRT will cost approximately RM400-500million per km, while an above ground would cost approximately RM300-350 million per km.

FIKIR RUNDING 2007
It looks impressive, but too much lines, commuter catchment not concentrated. NE-SW line can be considered, but need to adjusted to serve Bandar Sunway, USJ and Shah Alam (since Puchong is served by LRT Extension), Circle line can also be considered. It's KD-Cheras line sux, it does not span over major population concentrations in Cheras.

Scrap other proposals of Fikir Runding other than NE-SW and Circle Line.

PRASARANA 2009
Good planning in Damansara and Cheras, as well as Puchong. But lacks circle line and Northern KL. BTW, Prasarana only proposes KD-Cheras Line as the new line, so I think need time for Prasarana to give masterplan for KL LRT system.

GAMUDA-MMC 2010
If BN wants to win these two constituencies: Kepong, Cheras, and Puchong, use this proposal. Impressive commuter catchment area. But it's greatest weakness is most areas in PJ, Klang Lama, Sunway, Batu and Gombak is not served by MRT, it can be helped by intergrating modified NE-SW line proposed by Fikir Runding 2007.

NE-SW route should be modified like this:
UIA to Perpustakaan Negara unmodified, then turn to Ampang Park via Semarak (Circle Line of Fikir Runding 2007), then follow the route of Cricle Line of Fikir Runding 2007 until Cochrane (intergrate with Gamuda-MMC Cochrane), then intergrate Pudu via Jalan Pasar (high commuter concentration area), then straight away intergrate the Gamuda-MMC Sungai Besi, then from here to Kuchai Entrepeuneur's Park, Taman Gembira, route along Jalan Gembira to OUG Square, then when arrives the Klang River, align the route along Klang River to serve Sri Sentosa, Petaling Utama, PJS 4, PJS 5, and when the river comes to a 90 degree turning point, change its route: align it with NPE, have a stop in Sunway Pyramid, then Sunway College, SS13, SS14, SS18 (intergrate with af LRT Extension), maybe SS19, then end up with a depot in Subang.

Major population concentration in Ampang Jaya is not served by MRT under this proposal, PRT implemented in PJ from Kepong southwards via Phileo Damansara, Seksyen 13, PJ New Town, Old Town intergrate and with NE-SW line, Komuter, and LRT Extension, and a PRT in Ampang Jaya dedicated to move people in Ampang Jaya to LRT/MRT stations. Ampang PRT should be in a loop, from station placeholder between Jelatek and Ampang of Gamuda-MMC Circle Line, align with MRR 2 (serves Pandan Dalam and Pandan Luar), intergrates with other lines in Pandan Indah station, then align with Jalan Pandan Utama (serves area around MPAJ), Jalan Bunga Mawar, Jalan Bunga Mawar 4, Jalan Taman Putra, until Jalan Taman Putra-Jalan Ampang interchange, turn westward, align Jalan Ampang, serves Taman Kosas and BB Ampang, then to the station placeholder between Jelatek and Ampang of Gamuda-MMC back.

PRT traffic capacity should be more or less like the Singaporean LRTs (eg: Sengkang LRT, Punggol LRT, etc.)

i hope the stacion malasyia lrt should be like this..

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm245/malaysiahantu/beiyuan.jpg

This station is in?

Beijing, China

Major population concentration in Ampang Jaya is not served by MRT under this proposal,

I seriously agree on this. Don't know why these people think that those high-income-posh-condos-Sri-Hartamas-drive-big-cars-folks needs public transport more than the low/medium cost-fit-as-many-apartments-take-bus-to-work-peasants of Ampang Jaya.

i think in major place like the KLCC/Ampang/bukit bintang/midvalley/bangsar and any upcoming financial district shld be serve with at least 2 lines.

Also, there shld have a direct connectivity between main shopping area like the KLCC/ bukit bintang /midvalley!!

cheers!

MRT to complete the UPT jigsaw puzzle
Wednesday August 18, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/8/18/nation/6872043&sec=nation

kUALA lUMPUR: CIMB Research studies have revealed that the mass rapid transit (MRT) would be able to complement the NKRA on Urban Public Transport (UPT).

Though the MRT is not listed under the UPT NKRA, studies have shown its potential as a long-term solution to the public transportation woes in the Klang Valley – the last piece to complete the UPT jigsaw puzzle.

The UPT NKRA aims to increase ridership, efficiency and capacity of the existing Keretapi Tanah Melayu Komuter’s service, light rail transit and monorail.

The proposed MRT seeks to complement the existing train services through wider linkages while at the same time serve as an alternate service line that would provide more options in terms of destinations for passengers.

With a well-linked system, it would be more convenient for passengers to travel within the city as they will be able to switch between service lines much more easily.

This would contribute to making public transportation a more preferred way of intra-city travel and reducing city congestion during peak hours.

I seriously agree on this. Don't know why these people think that those high-income-posh-condos-Sri-Hartamas-drive-big-cars-folks needs public transport more than the low/medium cost-fit-as-many-apartments-take-bus-to-work-peasants of Ampang Jaya.

:lol:Emm me one of those peasantslah!Its only the fastest growing area in selangor!Yeah we have the 2 stupid highways that only makes the traffic situation worst during peak hours!!!:ohno:

:lol:Emm me one of those peasantslah!Its only the fastest growing area in selangor!Yeah we have the 2 stupid highways that only makes the traffic situation worst during peak hours!!!:ohno:If the LRT had been built according to proper public transport planning, we would have an LRT line under Jalan Tunku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Ampang

Both lines would be integrated, not at Masjid Jamek but at Pasar Seni and the KL railway station.

by now...the Jalan Ampang LRT would have been extended to Petaling Jaya and the Jalan TAR LRT would have been extended to Puchong. There would also be an LRT line from Pasar Seni to Cheras, along Jalan Pudu, Chan Sow Lin, Jalan Cheras, etc.

Finally, the monorail would be linking the three LRT lines at the outer edge of the "city centre" - but it would be operating high frequency, 4-carriage trains.

Ah well...one can dream

Cheers, m

That would have been 1000% better than what we have now ha!!!:ohno:
Well i suspect its cheaper to build on old KTM tracks and TNB reserve land:ohno:Its never long term only cheap and fast:bash:

One view-

But, but this will be a waste of public money so expensive and so extensive - it will be a white elephant!!

No,no can't have this waste


or the other view when it built smaller-

Why wasn't this built larger in the first place, what poor planning, no foresight can't they see that this will not be enough after a few years!!


Either way planners are between a rock and a hard place!
Criticism for the sake of it is such a Malaysian trait

One view-

But, but this will be a waste of public money so expensive and so extensive - it will be a white elephant!!

No,no can't have this waste


or the other view when it built smaller-

Why wasn't this built larger in the first place, what poor planning, no foresight can't they see that this will not be enough after a few years!!

Either way planners are between a rock and a hard place!
Criticism for the sake of it is such a Malaysian traitThe problem is that people want to build LRT in places where there is no clear existing demand for public transport.

That is why they go from one extreme to the other - they are gambling with public money.

The way to reduce the risk is to look for the places where there actually is a pattern of public transport use and build your LRT there.

Jalan Ampang from Ampang to KLCC, Jalan TAR and Jalan Ipoh and Jalan Pahang from Selayang down to KL, and the Federal Highway are the 3 busiest bus corridors in Malaysia - it is virtually guaranteed that there would be demand for LRT whether big or small.

Cheers, m

The problem is that people want to build LRT in places where there is no clear existing demand for public transport.

That is why they go from one extreme to the other - they are gambling with public money.

The way to reduce the risk is to look for the places where there actually is a pattern of public transport use and build your LRT there.

Jalan Ampang from Ampang to KLCC, Jalan TAR and Jalan Ipoh and Jalan Pahang from Selayang down to KL, and the Federal Highway are the 3 busiest bus corridors in Malaysia - it is virtually guaranteed that there would be demand for LRT whether big or small.

Cheers, m

If we are targeting even a 40% public transport mode share, it is clearly not about existing demand anyway.

Travellator – I agree with your observation!:cheers:

If the LRT had been built according to proper public transport planning, we would have an LRT line under Jalan Tunku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Ampang

Both lines would be integrated, not at Masjid Jamek but at Pasar Seni and the KL railway station.

by now...the Jalan Ampang LRT would have been extended to Petaling Jaya and the Jalan TAR LRT would have been extended to Puchong. There would also be an LRT line from Pasar Seni to Cheras, along Jalan Pudu, Chan Sow Lin, Jalan Cheras, etc.

Finally, the monorail would be linking the three LRT lines at the outer edge of the "city centre" - but it would be operating high frequency, 4-carriage trains.

Ah well...one can dream

Cheers, m



Guess what I think Jalan TAR shop owners will be protesting like mad.... no way for things going their underground... hahaha and you know alot of them are aligned to the ruling party.....

On the other hand, if the LRT would to cut across, say my area of Damansara Utama/Uptown in PJ, I also think residents here will protest because it will add to traffic congestion, crime rate, noise and other pollution, house cracks, and more importantly the residents here rarely take public transport because they have average of 3 cars per home. :)

But the working people in Uptown not living in the same area will benefit as they use LRT to come here to work or do business.

Criticism for the sake of it is such a Malaysian trait

well said ...

Alamak, that Singapore, our neighbour of the south has announced the expansion of their MRT line...

Bila MRT plan kita nak diumumkan? Cakap aje ni....?

tak baca ke post2 sebelum ni...

Feasibility study on KL MRT to be completed next month
Wednesday August 11, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/8/11/business/6833827&sec=business

KUALA LUMPUR: The feasibility study for the proposed Kuala Lumpur Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system will be completed next month, Land Public Transport Commission (LTC) chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar said.

“Once the three-month study is completed, LTC will look at it and submit it to the government to make the decision,” he said after launching Visa payWave on KLIA Ekspres yesterday.

According to reports, independent consultants Minconsult Sdn Bhd and Andercon Technologies Ltd embarked on the feasibility study a month ago after they were engaged by the Finance Ministry in consultation with LTC.

The RM36bil MRT system is said to be about 156km long, covering a radius of 20km from the city centre and will have a capacity of two million pasengers per day.

“We hope it can come as soon as possible, but we need to make sure that there is a proper study conducted because there will be implications when we want to introduce the MRT,” Syed Hamid said.

Last year, about two million passengers used ERL services. — Bernama

If we are targeting even a 40% public transport mode share, it is clearly not about existing demand anyway.

Travellator – I agree with your observation!:cheers:40% modal share is unrealistic for KL, let alone Malaysia.

They will be struggling to reach the 25% by 2020.

Cheers, m

I seriously agree on this. Don't know why these people think that those high-income-posh-condos-Sri-Hartamas-drive-big-cars-folks needs public transport more than the low/medium cost-fit-as-many-apartments-take-bus-to-work-peasants of Ampang Jaya.

That's why propose Ampang Jaya PRT under MPAJ initiative or Ampang-KL Dedicated Railway spans from Masjid Jamek to Pandan Indah via Wilayah Complex, Maju Junction, Chow Kit, Kampung Baru, KLCC, Jalan Ampang, Taman Kosas, Taman Dagang, Bukit Teratai, Lembah Maju and MPAJ. AKDR rationale: most live in southern Ampang (Lembah Jaya, Taman Muda, Bukit Teratai works in Cheras, so connect them to Pandan Indah LRT station (intergrate with lines going south) will enough.

Sentul - Gombak (Selayang PRT) under MPSelayang may solve the MRT not serving in Batu region.

Experience from Japan: Government should approve more private lines. Even they having different ticketing system, but as long as Tn'G available in all transportations (under transportation act or contracts), this will be fine. And this will cause competition between transportation companies, like in Singapore, there are SBS SBST dualism. I think govt should have Gamuda-MMC SPNB dualism in metro systems, and railway liberisation = make two or more railway operators operate on national railroad, which railroad is govt owned.

To achieve 40% public transport share, I think our govt must approve new line proposals proposed by either SPNB or Gamuda-MMC before 2011, and start constuction before 2012, lines ready before 2016.

Ampang Jaya PRT and Selayang PRT is my personal recommendation, not official. To achieve 60% and above, Petaling Jaya PRT spanning from Selayang to Puchong via Seksyen 16, Seksyen 13, PJ New Town, PJ Old Town, Jalan Klang Lama. Shah Alam, Klang and Kajang should plan their LRT/tram system in municipal level since the population in increasing (due to lack of lands in KL vicinity), and have them approved around 2020, ready in 2030. Through this, WPKL can achieve same railway density per person as Singapore by 2020 (compare with Singapore in 2010), comparable with Kanto Metropolitan Region by 2030. In 2020, Klang Valley Metropolitan Region may have population of 10 million, 15 million in 2030.

Expert: MRT should be managed by a single body
By LESTER KONG Wednesday August 25, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/25/central/6906065&sec=central

ANY future mass rail transit system for the greater Kuala Lumpur and Klang Valley must be managed under a single body to work well.

A Britain-based railway and highway design expert said placing the mass rail transit (MRT) under a single authority was important to streamline it to attract passengers.

Engineering firm Aecom executive director Stephen Robinson said all lines should be part of the greater MRT and should all be under one body.

Robinson, who has 40 years of experience in railway and highway design and construction, said it was crucial for the proposed MRT project to link the three current lines under the main MRT.

Now, the three lines are RapidKL’s Kelana Jaya-Gombak and Ampang/Sri Petaling-Sentul Timur and Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad’s KL Sentral-Titiwangsa monorail.

“For commercial interests, it could be difficult to take over all of them.

“What we would like is to have two lines so that passengers do not have to pay a second time to change to another railway,” Robinson told a press conference yesterday.

Robinson added that this “unified ticketing system” allowed quicker flow of passengers through the MRT.

“When you change from one line to another, you should still be in the paid area. You shouldn’t need to get out of a ticket barrier and get into another ticket barrier to change lines,” he said.

He added that having a central line that linked the existing lines was crucial to make it flexible for passengers to choose which line they needed to take.

He commented that the current rail system did not serve the city centre well.

“The present LRT system is too small to serve the current population. It is not a comprehensive line and they don’t cover the city centre. You need to have a network that covers more of the city and the people who want to use it,” he said.

He added that the current system would be a disincentive for commuters to choose if the network was not comprehensive enough. The civil engineer also commented that Malaysia needed to focus less on building more highways and subsidising fuel costs to alleviate the traffic congestion problems it was facing in its urban centres.

He added that the amount of allocation and fuel subsidy over the years was more than sufficient to build a comprehensive MRT.

Robinson also recommended that a law be enacted to allow the rail developer to acquire a strata title of an adjoining land it needs to develop the system on.

Doing so, he said, was easier than having to acquire the entire piece of land to build part of the rail system on.

For instance, in Hong Kong, only a strata title was needed to make alterations for a rail project if the land was held by a private owner.

MRT can boost city
By BAVANI M Friday August 27, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/27/central/6911559&sec=central

Does Kuala Lumpur need a Mass Rapid Transit system to resolve its congestion woes? StarMetro gets the views of two experts in mass transit systems.

The public transport system in every developed city in the world must be excellent. Without a first-class public transport system, Kuala Lumpur can never stand up and be counted as one of the best cities in the world.

Yet in this age and time, KL-ites still struggle to get out of their houses and get from point A to B.

The government’s initiative to ease the federal capital’s gridlock by building highways and flyovers does not help the situation since it only transfers traffic from one place to another.

The existing LRT, Monorail and KTM lines do help to resolve some of the traffic woes yet there is still plenty of room for improvement, especially in terms of integrating both the systems.

When the government announced a new Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system in the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP) recently, many felt that it would overcome some of the key shortcomings of our current rail line.

The proposed MRT system by Gamuda Bhd covers 156km of lines, covering a 20km radius around the Kuala Lumpur city centre with a third of that going underground.

The first radial line, dubbed the red line, will go from Damansara to Serdang and the second one, the green line, will be from Kepong to Cheras.

Both lines will cross the centre of Kuala Lumpur city and will meet at the city centre, at Dataran Perdana near Jalan Tun Razak.

The circling MRT line will connect urban areas and provide connectivity between the radial corridors as well as the existing Ampang and Kelana Jaya LRT lines, their proposed extensions, and monorail and KTMB network.

Kuala Lumpur desperately needs a system that is able to serve and transport large numbers of people and the MRT would be able to do so as it can handle some two million passenger trips per day.

“If one were to look at all the major cities of the world — London, Hong Kong and Beijing — no system can carry more people than the MRT. And from what I have seen of the KL traffic growth, it is no different in any of these cities — so KL deserves to have a system similar to the other cities,’’ said project director of Hong Kong MTR Corporation Ltd T.C.Chew.

Chew has worked with the Singapore Land Transit Authority, the London Underground Jubilee Line Extension Project and Hong Kong MTR, and was also the head of Mass Transit in the Systems Division of Bambardier Transportation. He was in town recently and shared some of his knowledge and experience when building the rail lines in the respective cities.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2010/8/27/central/m_3mrt.jpg


Much-needed: The MRT system will form the
backbone of a sustainable transport system.

Weaknesses of the KL system

Despite the current lines in place, the use of public transport in the KL metropolitan areas has dropped from 34% in 1985 to 20% in 1997 and 18% in 2009.

Unreliable bus service, inadequate rail coverage, poor connectivity, lack of integration, stations in low demand areas and congestion are just some of the reasons behind the low public transport use.

KL needs a seamless transport system that enables one to go from point A to B at a reasonable time with little hassle.

“For most major cities in the world, rail network is the major backbone to move large numbers of people. In Hong Kong, at least 90% of the population use public transport and in China, at least 30 cities are currently looking at implementing the rail network,’’ Chew said.

The Draft KL City Plan 2020 estimates a targeted rail capacity (passenger per hour per direction) of 183,700 is required for its modal share target.

The current rail capacity provision during peak hour is about 60,000 passengers while the proposed fleet expansions and headway reductions under the urban transport National Key Result Areas (NKRA) will only increase to 104,000 passengers.

Clearly, there is a shortfall in the Draft KL City Plan targets and hence an LRT system alone is not enough. A MRT system located in high-demand areas in the city centre is essential to reduce the current high proportion of car users.

Seamless public transport

Imagine coming out of the LRT and going into KL’s underground city of interconected shopping malls (both above and below ground) and jumping into the monorail which is a walking distance away.

That is how it should be. The proposed MRT lines should work with the existing lines and connect with them as much as possible to provide passengers with a seamless journey and as close as possible to one another.

This can be achieved by planning for the whole journey, including walking access or interchange facilities between systems and modes.

For example, in terms of physical integration, there would be interchange stations with close proximity of platforms with ease of access to stations as well as pedestrian walkways to adjacent commercial development.

Safety and sustainability issues

The next question that needs to be asked is if there is space in Kuala Lumpur for such a grand plan?

“Have you been to Hong Kong? asked Chew.

“Hong Kong is far more congested than KL yet they are building rails connecting to buildings and complexes,” he said, adding that in Hong Kong rail lines were being built under old buildings.

“In Hong Kong, developers and building owners are asking and begging to be linked directly to our rail lines. The public are asking their elected reps in parliament to make sure that rail lines run through their neighbourhoods as they are aware of the benefits of a good transport system.”

Much has been said about our soil condition and whether KL can sustain such massive development? According to the proposed MRT system, the lines will include underground tracks and stations at some point, hence digging and tunnelling underneath existing buildings will be inevitable. Will this be safe? In response, Chew concedes that there is always a risk factor involved but it can be managed. He said he had been working with people who build rails in cities older than KL.

MRT will form the backbone of a sustainable transport system. This is part of an integrated network with seamless connectivity between supporting modes to make it the preferred mode and design to emphasise its convenience, reliability, usage, affordability, accessibility and efficiency.

Expert: System will help optimise use of existing lines
By YIP YOKE TENG Friday August 27, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/27/central/6926272&sec=central

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2010/8/27/central/m_2goh.jpg

Goh: The alignment, while fulfilling the present demand,
must also tap the future mega projects

THE RM36bil Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system should be the backbone of urban public transportation in the Klang Valley with all other existing systems, including the LRT, KTM, Monorail and buses functioning as feeder modes, said a traffic expert.

“This would be the ideal method to maximise the country’s investment in urban public transportation,” Transport Planning consultant Goh Bok Yen from MAG Technical & Development Consultants Sdn Bhd said.

Goh said that with the hierarchy made clear, the MRT system must be able to fill the gaps, ease the bottlenecks and optimise the use of existing systems.

“This is imperative, especially for the Circle Line which runs within a 5km radius from the city centre to link all major developments,” he said.

In addition to the Circle Line, which is a common and crucial element in a metropolitan, the MRT system comprises the Green line that covers northeast of the Klang Valley from Sungai Buloh and Kepong, passing through the city centre to Cheras and Kajang, as well as the Red line that covers northwest from Sungai Buloh and Kota Damansara to Sri Kembangan.

http://media.themalaysianinsider.com/images/uploads/2010/06/25/mrt-grafikx.jpg

The project will add another 190km to the rail network, as well as 90 stations to the present 50 over stations.

Goh said the demand-driven corridors would be able to provide satisfactory coverage but the exact alignment ought to be integrated with land use to meet the requirements of a world-class city.

“The alignment, while fulfilling the present demand, must also tap the future mega projects. The planning committee must have the foresight, as well as enough information, to link the MRT with these future hubs. “These are the main objectives that the MRT needs to achieve, without these, you are merely adding another three lines that do not serve a good purpose,” he added.

According to his calculations, the MRT and LRT extension lines will increase Kuala Lumpur’s track coverage from 15km per million population to 30km when completed, as compared with 40km in Hong Kong, 35km in Singapore and 10km in Bangkok, which is ironically more efficient than the current system in Kuala Lumpur due to better placement of stations.

The new lines can at least double the current area coverage — Kuala Lumpur now has 50m of track per sq km compared with 650m per sq km in Hong Kong.

“When the new lines are fully completed and supported by an efficient bus network, we can cover 80% of the population of Greater KL (within 20km radius from the city centre). In other words, a commuter will reach either a train or a bus station within 400m of walking and be linked to the whole system.

“We cannot achieve high speed in the urban area with the many stops. We are talking about less than 1km between every station — but still, I would estimate travelling from one end of the system to the town centre to take about 35min to 40min. There’s still room to improve, such as using KTM as an express option by reducing its stops.

“Once it is well integrated, then buses need to only loop 3km to 5km as feeders to the stations. The waiting time can be limited to five to 10 minutes with a fleet of eight buses for a 3km loop,” he added.

While the alignment is still being finalised, Goh said it should be continuously optimised to maximise its social and economic benefits.

“In the optimisation process, we need to pay more attention particularly to areas undergoing urban redevelopment such as Old Town, Section 13 and Section 52 in Petaling Jaya, Jalan Ipoh and Segambut,” he said.

He also said a well-integrated system ought to be supported by a good ticketing system, effective dissemination of information and flexibility for expansion.

On top of all that, institutional integration is of paramount importance.

“Previously, our urban public transportation was not well coordinated because we have dozens of agencies involved. Today, at least we have the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) to coordinate the entire system,” he said.

He hopes the commission would be as dynamic and innovative as a private entity, and having a public-listed company to operate the urban public transportation would eventually benefit everyone.

He also foresees a drastic change in lifestyle after the completion of the MRT. Parking trend, among others, will see a shift as demand drops and the underground stations — more than 20 — will also lead to an increase in underground shopping space.

Then, where do we go from there.

“Do we go to Putrajaya and Cyberjaya or do we make the system more dense? These are things to think about in the future, hence it is vital to build an expandable and sustainable system,” he said.

Underground car park to be converted into underground mall.:)

MRT can boost city
By BAVANI M Friday August 27, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/27/central/6911559&sec=central

Safety and sustainability issues

The next question that needs to be asked is if there is space in Kuala Lumpur for such a grand plan?

“Have you been to Hong Kong? asked Chew.

“Hong Kong is far more congested than KL yet they are building rails connecting to buildings and complexes,” he said, adding that in Hong Kong rail lines were being built under old buildings.

“In Hong Kong, developers and building owners are asking and begging to be linked directly to our rail lines. The public are asking their elected reps in parliament to make sure that rail lines run through their neighbourhoods as they are aware of the benefits of a good transport system.”


This is a bit contradict in Malaysia..there are some neighbourhood in Klang Valley REJECTED the LRT line to be expanded to their area in fear of congestion and so on. Well, NIMBY syndrome is quite contagious among Malaysians :lol:

Expert: MRT should be managed by a single body
By LESTER KONG Wednesday August 25, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/8/25/central/6906065&sec=central

ANY future mass rail transit system for the greater Kuala Lumpur and Klang Valley must be managed under a single body to work well.

A Britain-based railway and highway design expert said placing the mass rail transit (MRT) under a single authority was important to streamline it to attract passengers.

Engineering firm Aecom executive director Stephen Robinson said all lines should be part of the greater MRT and should all be under one body.

Robinson, who has 40 years of experience in railway and highway design and construction, said it was crucial for the proposed MRT project to link the three current lines under the main MRT.

Now, the three lines are RapidKL’s Kelana Jaya-Gombak and Ampang/Sri Petaling-Sentul Timur and Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad’s KL Sentral-Titiwangsa monorail.

“For commercial interests, it could be difficult to take over all of them.

“What we would like is to have two lines so that passengers do not have to pay a second time to change to another railway,” Robinson told a press conference yesterday.

Robinson added that this “unified ticketing system” allowed quicker flow of passengers through the MRT.

“When you change from one line to another, you should still be in the paid area. You shouldn’t need to get out of a ticket barrier and get into another ticket barrier to change lines,” he said.

He added that having a central line that linked the existing lines was crucial to make it flexible for passengers to choose which line they needed to take.

He commented that the current rail system did not serve the city centre well.

“The present LRT system is too small to serve the current population. It is not a comprehensive line and they don’t cover the city centre. You need to have a network that covers more of the city and the people who want to use it,” he said.

He added that the current system would be a disincentive for commuters to choose if the network was not comprehensive enough. The civil engineer also commented that Malaysia needed to focus less on building more highways and subsidising fuel costs to alleviate the traffic congestion problems it was facing in its urban centres.

He added that the amount of allocation and fuel subsidy over the years was more than sufficient to build a comprehensive MRT.

Robinson also recommended that a law be enacted to allow the rail developer to acquire a strata title of an adjoining land it needs to develop the system on.

Doing so, he said, was easier than having to acquire the entire piece of land to build part of the rail system on.

For instance, in Hong Kong, only a strata title was needed to make alterations for a rail project if the land was held by a private owner.



I was so agreed with him~~~:cheers:

Underground car park to be converted into underground mall.:)


NoNo... Underground car park convert to underground MRT station... Best lar... jus take elevator go up can reach Shopping mall :lol:

This is a bit contradict in Malaysia..there are some neighbourhood in Klang Valley REJECTED the LRT line to be expanded to their area in fear of congestion and so on. Well, NIMBY syndrome is quite contagious among Malaysians :lol:

Well, I was so eager that MRT can reach my neighbourhood but, i think its impossible to reach Shah Alam (perhaps in 20 years time :banana:) Damn... I was so lazy to drive :nuts:

The problem is that people want to build LRT in places where there is no clear existing demand for public transport.

That is why they go from one extreme to the other - they are gambling with public money.

The way to reduce the risk is to look for the places where there actually is a pattern of public transport use and build your LRT there.

Jalan Ampang from Ampang to KLCC, Jalan TAR and Jalan Ipoh and Jalan Pahang from Selayang down to KL, and the Federal Highway are the 3 busiest bus corridors in Malaysia - it is virtually guaranteed that there would be demand for LRT whether big or small.

Cheers, m


No... they were not gambling with money, but they ady noe it will be a waste... thats y they chose free tnb land, so that they can korek more money mah :nuts:

I suggest that majority of the MRT to be build underground. Yes, it will cost more but it also means that the residents will complain less about noise pollution, unless they agree

then people will complain their house will crack ler, tanah mendap ler,why so expensive ler, white elephand ler, why take so long to build ler, aiyoo jammler, why can't they korek somewhere else ler

NoNo... Underground car park convert to underground MRT station... Best lar... jus take elevator go up can reach Shopping mall :lol:

Our underground car park in city center is very big....

I suggest that majority of the MRT to be build underground. Yes, it will cost more but it also means that the residents will complain less about noise pollution, unless they agree

Not only the noise pollution, if to be built underground the MRT station can be easily located at strategic place...:banana: I always hope that MRT can be built underground... 100% not like only few station in city centre are underground...:ohno:


But if build underground, sure got many complain later...:bash:

Our underground car park in city center is very big....


Yea... big enough to accommodate an MRT station means perfect... Perhaps some parking basement should retain for those rich ppl who dun take public transport :lol:

A very large underground car park intergrated with underground MRT stations and building basements? An underground mall may able to connect building to building to MRT stations without need to cross busy roads on the ground. It will be a good idea! Toronto and Montreal had did this, Singapore is going to implement.

haha if they going to build the system underground i'm very sure there must be some people will complain the house cracked la..afraid there will be a sink hole la..those Aduns and MPs will suddenly appear and "fight for the cause" of the people. There is a law in malaysia stated that land owners owned the land from the surface until the center of the earth..i remember this when i watched smart tunnel documentary on discovery channel last time.

haha if they going to build the system underground i'm very sure there must be some people will complain the house cracked la..afraid there will be a sink hole la..those Aduns and MPs will suddenly appear and "fight for the cause" of the people. There is a law in malaysia stated that land owners owned the land from the surface until the center of the earth..i remember this when i watched smart tunnel documentary on discovery channel last time.

Lolz... that prove how uneducated Malaysian can be... SG and HK must be full of sink hole den...:nuts:

but most Malaysian homes are single/double storey homes.... easily got sink hole leh.... juz look at de road near Uni Malaya dat day.. :ohno:

Lolz... that prove how uneducated Malaysian can be... SG and HK must be full of sink hole den...:nuts:

Have you forgotten about Nicoll Highway incident in Singapore?
Or are you too young to know about that?

Have you forgotten about Nicoll Highway incident in Singapore?
Or are you too young to know about that?

You are right... I was still young at that time :lol:

So that accidents was happened during the construction??? How about any accidents happen after the construction???

Also, wat about in HK or mayb Tokyo???

then people will complain their house will crack ler, tanah mendap ler,why so expensive ler, white elephand ler, why take so long to build ler, aiyoo jammler, why can't they korek somewhere else ler
Yes, it is true but then this is the only option we can do. Those arrogant residents are complaining like mad. If is elevated, noise pollution and like what u said if underground crack but anyways both options will cause it to crack(unless bad stability of house) and at worst like the Nicoll Highway incident so there is nothing we can do or suggest. Let's hope everyone agrees unless the foundation of the house is strong:dunno:

Yes, it is true but then this is the only option we can do. Those arrogant residents are complaining like mad. If is elevated, noise pollution and like what u said if underground crack but anyways both options will cause it to crack(unless bad stability of house) and at worst like the Nicoll Highway incident so there is nothing we can do or suggest. Let's hope everyone agrees unless the foundation of the house is strong:dunno:

Thats what engineering for...

Btw.. ppl will get used to it, jus the matter of time ;)

Yes, accidence do happen. When they build the smart tunnel also got a big sink hole at KL Seremban highway. Saw it at national geographic documentary. They just cover up the story and act as if it is being planned.

Yes, accidence do happen. When they build the smart tunnel also got a big sink hole at KL Seremban highway. Saw it at national geographic documentary. They just cover up the story and act as if it is being planned.

So maybe it is unsafe to build it underground. We should not just get Gamuda-MMC Corp to do it. Should ask international construction companies to handle it.:banana:

So maybe it is unsafe to build it underground. We should not just get Gamuda-MMC Corp to do it. Should ask international construction companies to handle it.:banana:

If Gamuda-MMC get the tender, they will hire/consult engineer that expert/experience in underground work for sure :)

Btw, Gamuda is one of the company participate in tunnel building for Kaohsiung MRT??

Building an underground city is a huge project, it may need 20 years to complete it, it is an constant effort, and demolish some of the old structures around the city center. But you think in another side, buildings in city center are not egligable listed as heritage building except the former high court, masjid jamek, etc. Some structures are too old and going to be collapsed, and it is vacant. This is not heritage but eyesore. DBKL may need to draw their attention from Bukit Bintang back to old city center, and have a urban rejuvenation in the area.

Large underground city around Bukit Bintang to connect Sungai Wang, Times Square, Lot 10, KL Pavillion, Star Hill, KLCC may feasable.

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Yea... big enough to accommodate an MRT station means perfect... Perhaps some parking basement should retain for those rich ppl who dun take public transport :lol:

MRT station + underground mall = Perfect undergeround:nuts:

MRT station + underground mall = Perfect undergeround:nuts:

MRT station + KL Underground Mall that has Louis Vuitton = Luxury Underground

MRT station + KL Underground Mall that has Louis Vuitton = Luxury Underground

We are going to live in underground world :nuts:

Building an underground city is a huge project, it may need 20 years to complete it, it is an constant effort, and demolish some of the old structures around the city center. But you think in another side, buildings in city center are not egligable listed as heritage building except the former high court, masjid jamek, etc. Some structures are too old and going to be collapsed, and it is vacant. This is not heritage but eyesore. DBKL may need to draw their attention from Bukit Bintang back to old city center, and have a urban rejuvenation in the area.

Large underground city around Bukit Bintang to connect Sungai Wang, Times Square, Lot 10, KL Pavillion, Star Hill, KLCC may feasable.

Actually, KL should do that to connect every mall in the BB area and that way, people would come to there. I've seen Singapore's long underground mall and it is doing great maybe this can be our version of Singapore's underground malls. Plus, with MRT to be place, I suggest placing the underground MRT under Pavilion because it is easily transported to street level just like Pavilion is Malaysia's ION Orchard version.:cheers:

Actually, KL should do that to connect every mall in the BB area and that way, people would come to there. I've seen Singapore's long underground mall and it is doing great maybe this can be our version of Singapore's underground malls. Plus, with MRT to be place, I suggest placing the underground MRT under Pavilion because it is easily transported to street level just like Pavilion is Malaysia's ION Orchard version.:cheers:
Why everything KL do must copy Singapore? Takde idea baru ke? Alwyas wanting to play 2nd fiddle to Singapore?
Singapore is scarce in land, but we have so much land. And pple can walk above ground enjoying the cityscape.

What needs to be done is for the planners to sit down and replan how KL should be reconstruct, rezoned and rebrand!!

Why everything KL do must copy Singapore? Takde idea baru ke? Alwyas wanting to play 2nd fiddle to Singapore?
Singapore is scarce in land, but we have so much land. And pple can walk above ground enjoying the cityscape.

What needs to be done is for the planners to sit down and replan how KL should be reconstruct, rezoned and rebrand!!

Its not copy... Its bout underground development...
Malaysia have plenty of land compare to SG but that does not mean we should occupy the rest... :nuts:

Why everything KL do must copy Singapore? Takde idea baru ke? Alwyas wanting to play 2nd fiddle to Singapore?
Singapore is scarce in land, but we have so much land. And pple can walk above ground enjoying the cityscape.

What needs to be done is for the planners to sit down and replan how KL should be reconstruct, rezoned and rebrand!!

Well, u see you have to understand, Kuala Lumpur is like nearly 250 sq km while Bangkok is 10 times the size. They can build above ground places due to the unlimited land and you see projects in Kuala Lumpur is getting overcrowding. Same with Singapore, our city centre isn't as fantastic due to lack of land. 70% of KL is the suburbs. And that is small, Singapore yes true lots of land but they are world class because of that. Like KL, Tokyo also lacks of land but the difference is that they are a developed city and because of lack of land, they as well building underground malls to cope the small city.

Well, u see you have to understand, Kuala Lumpur is like nearly 250 sq km while Bangkok is 10 times the size. They can build above ground places due to the unlimited land and you see projects in Kuala Lumpur is getting overcrowding. Same with Singapore, our city centre isn't as fantastic due to lack of land. 70% of KL is the suburbs. And that is small, Singapore yes true lots of land but they are world class because of that. Like KL, Tokyo also lacks of land but the difference is that they are a developed city and because of lack of land, they as well building underground malls to cope the small city.

Why does everything have to be in Kuala Lumpur? That's the reason for disparity in GDP between KL and other growth centre (if there is any).
It is time to open up new economics centres.

It is not healthy in the long term. Uneven growth will put too much strain on KL infrastructure. We have been seeing the effect now. The need to transfer of Pahang water into Klang Valley in one of them. Had Pahang or any of the west coast states have a economic centre it could have generated job opportunity similar to that of in the Klang Valley. People don't have to migrate to KL. The govt doesn't have to spend billions of ringgit on the water project.

I can go on and on and on...

I just imagine I can walk between shopping malls in Bukit Bintang without exposed to sun, rain, vehicle smoke and road dusk and even without have to rushing in order to across the road...I also dun like 'shuffle' boys who just lepaking at the road side..Vote for underground mall!!:banana:

^^
lastly the shuffle boy also lepaking at the underground mall:nuts::lol:

To be honest, I don't find underground malls too appeasing. You don't get a sense of time, or any sense of place. Its the same any time, anywhere.

KL lacks pedestrianised zones. Yes, I get it I get it.. stifling heat, torrential rain etc but it brings a sense of place and time. What about roofing like Chinatown? Anyway I think KL needs some rejuvenation.

Why does everything have to be in Kuala Lumpur? That's the reason for disparity in GDP between KL and other growth centre (if there is any).
It is time to open up new economics centres.

It is not healthy in the long term. Uneven growth will put too much strain on KL infrastructure. We have been seeing the effect now. The need to transfer of Pahang water into Klang Valley in one of them. Had Pahang or any of the west coast states have a economic centre it could have generated job opportunity similar to that of in the Klang Valley. People don't have to migrate to KL. The govt doesn't have to spend billions of ringgit on the water project.

I can go on and on and on...

Well, actually the Govt is already concentrating on the East Coast. They only built anything in Klang Valley(for now) because all the best services is there. In Thailand, they only concentrated on Bangkok other than Nathkon(I'm bad at spelling it) or Chiang Mai. While we should be lucky that other than here are Penang and Johor Baru have the economic centres and now Terrengganu is going to join in the ranks but for now we are focusing because this thread is meant for the Klang Valley MRT but relaxed,:) sooner, Penang and JB will have their LRT or monorail because now they are in discussion.

Remember, yes it will unbalance the economy but never say KL is too concentrated. After Pak Lah became PM, Penang was very focused and with the Singapore-Iskandar JV, Johor is also becoming an economic centres but don't worry, time will go by soon to see it sprouting.:banana:

^^
lastly the shuffle boy also lepaking at the underground mall:nuts::lol:there is a very large open underground space near the Esplanade Theatres (City Hall MRT station) which has a lot of shuffle boys, sleepy uncles and the occasional student trying to do their homework/reading.

Cheers, m

skybridges to link overground LRT stations to buildings, and between buildings.
underground mall to link underground LRT stations to buildings, and between buildings.

Montreal and Toronto have alot of place, but is why they still need underground mall? Underground mall is a type of pedestrian system in city center, and it will come into full potential once it is connected with underground LRT stations. Complex linkages of skybridges may be alternative to areas have high concentration of overground LRT stations. It depends on cityscape and urban planning of the city. I think underground mall is better since we are planning to build stations underground in city center.

Klang Valley got 7 million residents, 25% of Malaysian population. Many people goes to KL and JB to find job oppurtunities, Ipoh become now having major emmigration problem with many of its young residents moving to KL and JB. My friend from JB said that most of new Chinese residents in JB are from Ipoh. There are alot of Kelantanese in KL also.

[QUOTE=project aliciel;
Klang Valley got 7 million residents, 25% of Malaysian population.
:nuts:Wow thats news to me:nuts:

:nuts:Wow thats news to me:nuts:

7 mil resident by 2008 rite??? 2010 reach almost 8mil??? :banana:

Klang Valley got 7 million residents, 25% of Malaysian population. Many people goes to KL and JB to find job oppurtunities, Ipoh become now having major emmigration problem with many of its young residents moving to KL and JB. My friend from JB said that most of new Chinese residents in JB are from Ipoh. There are alot of Kelantanese in KL also.

[QUOTE=project aliciel;
Klang Valley got 7 million residents, 25% of Malaysian population.
:nuts:Wow thats news to me:nuts:

http://www.theedgeproperty.com/multimedia/video/2547.html

According to this link (2010), 7 million.

http://transit.vectordesigns.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=35

This report, back in 2006, suggests 4.7 million.

I think there is a need to increase pedestrian traffic around KL golden triangle, at the moment, we can only see pedestrian traffic concentrated in Bukit Bintang, KLCC etc. I hope to see pedestrian can between KLCC and Bukit Bintang or hopefully, even more locations.

http://www.theedgeproperty.com/multimedia/video/2547.html

According to this link (2010), 7 million.

http://transit.vectordesigns.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=35

This report, back in 2006, suggests 4.7 million.

I think there is a need to increase pedestrian traffic around KL golden triangle, at the moment, we can only see pedestrian traffic concentrated in Bukit Bintang, KLCC etc. I hope to see pedestrian can between KLCC and Bukit Bintang or hopefully, even more locations.


http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=1&men=gpro&lng=en&des=gamelan&geo=-152&col=abcdefghinoq&msz=1500&pt=a&va=&geo=-1049432

And this 8 mil in 2010

Then in 2020, Klang Valley should be at least 12-14 million in population and KL 2.2 million

Population in KL proper can't rise anymore. Middle-end and Low-end housing projects now mostly in the outskirts of KL proper. Unless Kg. Baru, Dato' Keramat and Segambut Dalam designated to become high-rise medium and low cost residential area. High rise: 20 stories and above with 700sq ft. for low-cost and studio house, 900 sq ft. for medium-low, 1300 sq. ft. for medium-high. To make the structure cost effective, 40 stories and above may applicable...

To me Klang Valley is already a catchment area for 10 mil people.

Lotsa ppl travel in and out everyday, not to mention those staying in i.e. Seremban, and tourists and foreign workers.

Population in KL proper can't rise anymore. Middle-end and Low-end housing projects now mostly in the outskirts of KL proper. Unless Kg. Baru, Dato' Keramat and Segambut Dalam designated to become high-rise medium and low cost residential area. High rise: 20 stories and above with 700sq ft. for low-cost and studio house, 900 sq ft. for medium-low, 1300 sq. ft. for medium-high. To make the structure cost effective, 40 stories and above may applicable...

Well, read somewhere that in 2020 Klang Valley is as big as Jakarta, but think again KL should be Klang Valley and the current KL should be known as City Centre but still whether it will work.

Well, read somewhere that in 2020 Klang Valley is as big as Jakarta, but think again KL should be Klang Valley and the current KL should be known as City Centre but still whether it will work.

I think it is unnecessary and of no significance.

Klang Valley already exists as one larger metro area, also known as greater Kuala Lumpur.

Important priority now is build MRT lines around Kuala Lumpur + PJ.

skybridges to link overground LRT stations to buildings, and between buildings.
underground mall to link underground LRT stations to buildings, and between buildings.

Montreal and Toronto have alot of place, but is why they still need underground mall? Underground mall is a type of pedestrian system in city center, and it will come into full potential once it is connected with underground LRT stations. Complex linkages of skybridges may be alternative to areas have high concentration of overground LRT stations. It depends on cityscape and urban planning of the city. I think underground mall is better since we are planning to build stations underground in city center.

Klang Valley got 7 million residents, 25% of Malaysian population. Many people goes to KL and JB to find job oppurtunities, Ipoh become now having major emmigration problem with many of its young residents moving to KL and JB. My friend from JB said that most of new Chinese residents in JB are from Ipoh. There are alot of Kelantanese in KL also.It can be really cold during the winter in Montreal and Toronto. Also, the streets between tall skyscrapers are often very dark (due to the shade from the buildings) and windy (due to the wind tunnel effect from the buildings).

But more importantly, the underground mall systems developed from underground tunnels that connected these tall buildings to railway stations or Post Offices, as well as connecting shopping malls to other shopping malls.

Where there are no tall buildings or shopping malls there is no underground mall.

In other cities they have elevated walkway systems. Hong Kong has elevated walkways without air conditioning because it is not necessary - the sea breeze and the breeze between the tall buildings helps keep things cool.

Cheers, m

I think there is a need to increase pedestrian traffic around KL golden triangle, at the moment, we can only see pedestrian traffic concentrated in Bukit Bintang, KLCC etc. I hope to see pedestrian can between KLCC and Bukit Bintang or hopefully, even more locations.The main corridors where pedestrians are walking in KL are:

*Jalan TAR from the Odeon Theatre north to Chow Kit
*Jalan Bukit Bintang all the way to Jalan Pudu
*Jalan Ampang around KLCC
*Jalan P. Ramlee between KLCC and Jalan Sultan Ismail

There is also some pedestrians walking from Berjaya Times Square to the Hang Tuah LRT & Monorail station.

All of these are short distance, disconnected walkways that do not have really interesting "draws" - things that actually get people to walk and stop and walk again.

Not to mention, the terrible traffic congestion & heat makes it tough to walk especially in the late afternoon.

So what to do? First is to give people a purpose in their walking. For example, putting a monorail station at Jalan P. Ramlee and Sultan Ismail would have made a big difference to those walking along Jalan P. Ramlee corridor and you would see people walking from Raja Chulan all the way to KLCC and past it.

Second is to make the walking enjoyable - meaning shade, even pavements and lots of places to stop, sit and rest.

Unfortunately our culture does not encourage people to stop, sit and rest - we frown on it, calling it "Lepaking" and we only encourage "lepaking" at internet cafes, billiards halls, mamak shops / kopitiam and discos.

Cheers, m

Population in KL proper can't rise anymore. Middle-end and Low-end housing projects now mostly in the outskirts of KL proper. Unless Kg. Baru, Dato' Keramat and Segambut Dalam designated to become high-rise medium and low cost residential area. High rise: 20 stories and above with 700sq ft. for low-cost and studio house, 900 sq ft. for medium-low, 1300 sq. ft. for medium-high. To make the structure cost effective, 40 stories and above may applicable...Methinks there is still a lot of room in KL alone for tall buildings for at least 10-15 years to come ... and that is without building on top of the rail corridors or the rivers (which was once a possibility and could be again).

KLCC still has parcels available, then there is the Pudu Jail area and areas of Pudu which has yet to be developed. Kg. Baru is going to be a hotspot for development, and on top of that there are the lands by Bangsar (north and south) and the bus stations and sites around Jalan Duta and PWTC.

Cheers, m

Regarding each of the new lines proposed in the Fikir Runding 2007, Prasarana 2009 and MMC-Gamuda 2010 proposals, such as Sungei Buloh - Serdang, Northeast - Southwest, Kelana Jaya and Sri Petaling extensions etc, I would like to raise the following common sense questions:

1. Their impact on the surrounding surface vehicular roads with similar orientations, such as to what extent the forecast reduction in traffic congestion will be etc. Will Federal Highway, Sungai Besi highway, Cheras road etc enjoy some relief of volume?

2. Their impact on the neighbouring land use patterns, population density and property price.

3. What are the strategic locations with enough land bank in the future network to set up bus interchanges that are nearby main artillery roads, commercial / residential hubs or public amenities? Or will important trip generators be bypassed, such as our dear MidValley Megamall and Bangsar Baru wine and dine paradise?

4. What are the rapid transit vehicles they proposed to deploy, and savings its energy consumption per passenger mile can generate in comparison to self-driving?

5. Whether they can cater to sufficient population and generate substantial trips to minimise the further governmental fiscal deficit they might trigger. Will some stations be left high and dry such as our poor Abdullah Hukum?

6. Most of the newly-created interchanges will be single station in line A to single station in line B configuration, instead of the "twisted stacked" (*) configuration. If this is the case, how is the authority going to smoothen public transportation's efficiency and rider experience?

(*) "twisted stacked interchange" - where two cross-platform transfer modes can be done in each of the two adjacent stations (the nearest example, City Hall and Raffles Place in SMRT network), where passengers from N, S, E, W each can transfer to both terminis of the other line in a dedicated platform, without flights of stairs, much less leaving the paid area.

Extra question:

7. To what extent the desired outcomes can be achieved if a Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system is implemented instead of a new MRT line with similar alignments? :nuts:

There's still ALOT ALOT of land in Kuala Lumpur, Petaling Jaya, Subang Jaya, Ampang Jaya, Sungai Buloh, Shah Alam, Puchong, Cheras and Seri Kembangan.

Just walk around in KL and you can easily spot potential vacant land or open air carpark or old buildings in deteriorating condition. Take an example. Jalan Kia Peng and Jalan Stonor is earmarked for future supercondos and new commercial buildings.

I think the new MRT line must serve future growth areas. I foresee the 3 lines of MRT is inadequate. For example, other areas of PJ need to be served. Old Klang Road, Old Town + Assunta and OUG area will be less jam if there's an MRT line. What about Bandar Sunway area? I also forsee future growth in Section 13/14 (industrial area where BAT and Dutch Lady is, now converting into commercial area) of PJ.

In fact I was thinking of a self-contained LRT for PJ and Subang Jaya, perhaps connecting to similar LRT in Shah Alam thereon to Klang. The PJ LRT can connect PJ Utara (Damansara) to PJ Selatan (Old Town). The LRT can serve as an extension to the MRT lines that go into KL.

When the urban trains are so convenient, I will definitely reduce the usage of my car :cheers:

I think if 3 MRT lines in Kuala Lumpur and its fringes (Sungai Buloh, Damansara, Serdang) might be adequate, however this leaves Ampang, another significant residential area in Kuala Lumpur/Selangor relatively unserved.

For PJ, i do agree that it needs its transit system, preferably from north (say, Damansara or maybe Kota Damansara) to south (near OUG which is in KL side). This line, should be connected to the proposed Damansara line, then, probably the Kelana Jaya line....KTM Komuter station and finally, ending at future LRT extension (Ampang), maybe say...Kinrara. Hence, this PJ transit line, has four interchange stations.

Kajang is growing, and based from earlier news in newspaper, proposal for Sungai Buloh-Kajang line. Kajang is not far from Cheras and i foresee Kajang is growing. At the same time, based from KTM Komuter statistic, Kajang is the 10th busiest station in KTM Komuter network, just 30,000 short behind 9th placed Subang Jaya station. For Kajang, i hope to see the function of Kajang railway station can be enhanced. I hope to see Kajang to have two railway stations. One is the KTM, another one is proposed Sungai Buloh-Kajang line. Both of these stations can be linked by building tram line ala Toyama light rail in Japan. With this tram line, this will introduce some form of rail line inside Kajang.

In case of PJ, I support the GAMUDA proposal with another 3 LRT lines added, 1 is to connect from Bandar Baru Selayang to Puchong via Mont Kiara, Segambut, Phileo Damansara, PJ New Town, PJ Old Town, Taman Sri Sentosa then connect with Sri Petaling Line extension. Another LRT line is to connect from KL Sentral to Bandar Sunway via Mid Valley, Taman Sri Sentosa, Kg. Medan. Another LRT line is to connnect residential areas in Ampang Jaya to Trunk Lines (Ampang Line and Circle Line)

3 more Metro/Streetcar should have their first line completed in 2020, 3 of them are: Klang-Shah Alam (KL Metro West), Kajang-Bangi-Putrajaya-Cyberjaya (KL Metro South), Seremban. All of these metro/streetcar systems have their stations interconnected, then people can take LRT from Ampang to Port Klang by passing through 40-50 stations and change lines 4 times, but it seems unnecessary. Even though they are managed by different companies, but all must able to accept Tn'G as common electronic payment system. Klang is emerging, and sooner will become 2nd largest city in Malaysia (Thanks to mass young immigrants from East Coast, East Malaysia, Perak, and Indonesia.) So, the whole Klang Valley Metro System will divided into 3 according to geographic locale:

1) KLM East (Current system and line extensions, 3 lines proposed by Gamuda and 3 lines proposed by me, central station is: KL Sentral)
2) KLM West (Shah Alam and Klang, central station: somewhere around Klang city center, best location will be around the old express bus station in Klang.)
3) KLM South (Kajang, Bangi, Semenyih, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, central station: Putrajaya Sentral)

KLM North is not neccesary. I can't see any profits can gain from building metro system for Rawang and Ulu Selangor. LRT system in southern part of Selayang (which I mean is lands under jurisdiction of Majlis Perbandaran Selayang) intergrated in KLM East. Dividing them into 3 because of different parts of Klang Valley have different commuting demand / traffic flow. So, the KLM East role is to provide transport for those live in WPKL, PJ, SJ, Selayang, most of these residents will go KL city center to work. While KLM West role is to provide transport for those live in Shah Alam and Klang into their own city centers, and access to commuter rail that connects suburbs. KLM South role is same as KLM West, while KLM South managing system may different comapred with KLM West because KLM South serving those area have development potential, but these area are still in development infancy. While KLM South providing light capacity system, streetcar, trams for these area, KLM West providing medium capacity system, KLM East providing high capacity system.

Well, but 40-50 stations on the same line is inappropriate, besides Ampang to Port Klang is like a 70km line. What we need is a MRT because they are faster than LRT in average speed. However, the PJ metro line should be connected like all four corners of PJ's city centre especially the so called PJ's version of Bukit Bintang example: The Curve, One Utama should be interchanged with another line with Shah Alam to provide better connectivity. Another way is to connect Ampang towards PJ City Centre then towards Shah Alam to reduce time travelled by commuters.

^^ what i mean is there will be seamless connection for 4 to 5 separate lines from Ampang to Port Klang, you may take this route, but it seems unappropriate because these lines are used to serve in local level; what i mean is KLM West is for commuters commuting within western Klang Valley while KLM East is for commuters commuting within eastern Klang Valley; if you want to go from Ampang to Port Klang, there will be no problem for you to take MRT that serves in local level, but it costs alot of time (since Ampang to Kelana Jaya need to pass through at least 20 stations), but it is much more convenient for you to take MRT from Ampang to KL Sentral, then take KTM from KL Sentral to Port Klang.

Another commuter line connects KL to Port Klang other than KTMB is not necessary now. It may be considered once Southern Klang Valley is well developed, then have a dedicated line connects from Kajang to Port Klang via Bandar Baru Bangi, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, Putra Heights, Kota Kemuning, Bandar Botanik, and managed by KTMB. This line can be considered but not in this 10 years. While connects KL to Port Klang via Northern route is not considerable because our government concentrates much of Klang Valley development in its southern part. And also that is the reason I say KLM North can't gain any profit.

^^ what i mean is there will be seamless connection for 4 to 5 separate lines from Ampang to Port Klang, you may take this route, but it seems unappropriate because these lines are used to serve in local level; what i mean is KLM West is for commuters commuting within western Klang Valley while KLM East is for commuters commuting within eastern Klang Valley; if you want to go from Ampang to Port Klang, there will be no problem for you to take MRT that serves in local level, but it costs alot of time (since Ampang to Kelana Jaya need to pass through at least 20 stations), but it is much more convenient for you to take MRT from Ampang to KL Sentral, then take KTM from KL Sentral to Port Klang.

Another commuter line connects KL to Port Klang other than KTMB is not necessary now. It may be considered once Southern Klang Valley is well developed, then have a dedicated line connects from Kajang to Port Klang via Bandar Baru Bangi, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, Putra Heights, Kota Kemuning, Bandar Botanik, and managed by KTMB. This line can be considered but not in this 10 years. While connects KL to Port Klang via Northern route is not considerable because our government concentrates much of Klang Valley development in its southern part. And also that is the reason I say KLM North can't gain any profit.

Well, the North benefits Rawang commuters, then again Rawang already has a KTM but needs improvements.:cheers:

Rawang KTM station... for me its location is not good, far away from town center and population center, no space available for bus stop and parking extension.

Unfortunately, the location of the Rawang station has been there for quite sometime, maybe even dating back to the last century.

Is it necessary all the metro line should concentrate to only KL city centre??? What I mean is all the line actually connect to KL city centre, what if a line connecting a subs with another subs area without entering into city centre??? It will be a total waste of money I think, but it will benefit ppl who dun work in KL... For example from Subang / Ampang to Cheras / Kepong??? Any idea?

^^

One of the proposal of MRT is to build a ring line. The ring line is not going thru city center just outside it.

Any system thats being preposed will have to pay itself back in the future,I suspect everything about the route is decided by the potential paxs numbers more than anything else!Please remember guys the only 2 transit system in WORLD that really make money are singapore and hongkong!

report fr Reuters.

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Malaysia on Tuesday outlined ambitious plans to double its national income (GNI) by stimulating $444 billion of investments over the next 10 years, mostly from the private sector.

KUALA LUMPUR: The city will see investments worth 172 billion ringgit, mainly in the Kuala Lumpur Mass Transit which includes 141 km (87 miles) of tunnels built in the largest infrastructure project in Malaysia. :cheers:

Yeah dream on!!!What is our national debt at?The economy has been on deficit one for many years!

Proposed MRT red line somewhere in Kota Damansara.

Photo taken from ETP open day in PWTC.

This is part of the large scale model of greater KL
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Then, this is the display of information about MRT lines.

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Study on MRT to be completed early October
Published: 2010/09/23
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/arty/Article/

TECHNICAL study on the proposed mass rapid transit (MRT) project, conducted by the Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) and a consultant appointed by the Ministry of Finance, will be completed by early October.

LPTC said a report on the technical study will be presented to the Steering Committee on the Klang Valley Integrated Transportation System headed by the Secretary-General of the Treasury.

A paper on the proposal is expected to be drawn up and tabled in Cabinet soon after that, LPTC said in a statement yesterday.

The proposed MRT system, consisting three lines running a total of 150km and covering an area within a 20km radius of central Kuala Lumpur, was initiated by a joint venture between MMC Corp Bhd and Gamuda Bhd earlier this year.

The proposed project is valued at RM36 billion, excluding the cost of land acquisition and rolling stock.

The three-month technical study on the proposal, carried out by LPTC and consultant Minconsult Sdn Bhd, began on July 1 this year.

"The technical study covers an appraisal by the two parties on the viability of the proposal. Among the areas covered were the corridor and alignment, engineering, environmental and social impacts and others," LPTC chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismal Mohamed Kamal said in the statement.

He stressed that LPTC's key objective is to ensure the MRT project will meet the needs of the people in order to encourage increased usage of public transport.

When the technical study is completed, a further assessment called the Value Management Study (VMS) will be conducted by LPTC and the Economic Planning Unit.

The second study is required as a project of such magnitude will need early identification of opportunities to ensure its sustainability, LPTC said.

A VMS is a common approach practised globally, especially on projects that require optimisation of the funding mechanism and prudent spending.

In other words, the VMS will ensure that the MRT project is economically sustainable and optimises government spending whilst promoting public interest as its priority.

Don't understand. At first, they announce 30% of 170km estimation, roughly 51km of underground MRT, now announce like 141km which is more than 90km. Big thumbs up :cheers: but is it officially confirmed, now MRT drawings to be completed in early- October is this news confirmed?

The KL MRT - where will the funds come from?
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/9/25/business/7091265&sec=business

^^
14 billion of tunneling job??

what a waste of money!!!

you could build 300 ++ KM of KTM EDT for that kind of money!!!!

Study on MRT project almost ready
Tuesday September 28, 2010
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/9/28/central/7084430&sec=central

The technical study on the proposed Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project conducted by the Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) and a Finance Ministry consultant will be completed by early October.

A report on the study will be presented to the steering committee on the Klang Valley Integrated Transportation System, headed by the Treasury secretary-general. A paper on the proposal will be tabled in Cabinet soon after that.

The proposed MRT system, consisting three lines running a total of 150km within a 20km radius of central Kuala Lumpur, was initiated by a joint venture between MMC Corporation Bhd and Gamuda Bhd earlier this year.

The proposed project will cost RM36bil, excluding land acquisition and rolling stock.

LPTC chief executive officer Mohd Nur Ismal Mohamed Kamal said the objective was to ensure the MRT project encouraged the use of public transport.

The MRT is designed to be the backbone of Klang Valley’s long-term public transport masterplan.

Mohd Nur Ismal also highlighted that the proposal had enabled the achievement of the Greater Kuala Lumpur National Key Economic Area.

LPTC also coordinated the input of Kuala Lumpur City Hall, local authorities, Department of Railways and Department of Environment for the proposal. A further assessment called the Value Management Study (VMS) will be conducted by LPTC and the Economic Planning Unit of the Prime Minister’s Department.

The second study is required as a project of this magnitude will need early identification of opportunities to ensure its sustainability.

The VMS will ensure that the MRT project is economically sustainable and optimises government spending.

As for the High Speed Rail linking Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, a feasibility study will be carried out soon.

Gamuda still in the reckoning for MRT, LRT and Qatar jobs
September 28, 2010, Tuesday
http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=73352

KUCHING: With the Economic Transformation Programme announced last week, Gamuda Bhd (Gamuda) has reason to look forward with its full-year results to be announced today.According to HwangDBS Vickers Research Sdn Bhd (HwangDBS Research), the result of two independent consultants’ report on the RM36 billion Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project was expected by end-September.

Gamuda in a joint venture (JV) with MMC Corporation Bhd (MMC) were possible frontrunners for the tunnelling portion of the MRT project.

However, the research house said the key risk of the Gamuda-MMC JV was the presence of foreign contractors if the project were awarded under the Swiss Challenge method.

On a more positive note, it said despite this, foreigners were unlikely to be able to match the cost structure of local companies, with the double tracking project setting a precedent.

The research firm suggested a realistic start date in mid-2011 where the tunnelling portion would be part of Phase 1 with the project reaching 70 per cent completion.

Some of Gamuda’s other projects in the pipeline were the light rail transit (LRT) extensions in which the company had submitted a bid, low-cost carrier terminal (LCCT) runway and RM1.5 billion Durkhan highway in Qatar.

The company’s fiscal standing was likely to beat the research house’s financial year 2010 forecast (FY10F) net profit of RM270 million by five to 10 per cent.

In addition, HwangDBS Research said the fourth quarter of FY10 net profit should exceed the preceding month’s RM73 million figure to register the fourth consecutive month of growth.

A continued improvement in construction margins quarter-on-quarter and RM600 million in unbilled sales were the key drivers to this assumption.

Thus, for the upcoming FY11, Gamuda guided for RM880 million in local property sales and RM820 million from Vietnam.

Nevertheless, there was a risk it might not meet the Vietnam forecast because its Yenso Park development had not received the residential land parcel titles.

The research house raised its target price to RM4.40 per share after factoring in the recent purchase of land along Jalan Pudu where Gamuda planned to build shop offices and service apartments.

Potential for bonds issue to fund MRT
Published: 2010/10/01
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20101001143844/Article/index_html

THERE is a potential for bonds to be issued to finance the proposed Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system, said Gamuda Bhd Executive Director Datuk Paul Ha.

Saying that the Malaysian bond market was reasonably matured, he said Gamuda had proposed to develop a suitable MRT systen for the long-term needs of the Klang Valley.

Speaking to reporters after the official opening of the "ABB Forum On Powering The Rails In Malaysia" in Kuala Lumpur today. Ha said funding was a crucial factor in the MRT project.

Earlier, in his presentation, Ha said there were gaps in Malaysia's rail network in terms of its efficiency and sustainability arrangements.

"In 1995, the Klang Valley railway system was double-tracked and electrified and a mixed fleet of electric trains were purchased from three different sources.

"However, by 2010, the fleet become unusable, having been retired off, because of the difficulty in procuring spare parts.

"The key for successful models, as found in many jurisdictions, are the separation of the asset ownership from the operators to reinforce accountability and establish appropriate arms-length relationships," he said.

Ha added the capital expenditure burden of the asset should be separated from the operational costs that can be effectively recovered from the users with a view to establishing a business model that was profitable.

"For there to be a genuine private sector interest, it will be necessary to come up with a clear set of pricing, access and regulatory policies as well as a level playing field for all operators," he said.

Meanwhile, ABB Malaysia Country Manager and Region Manager for South Asia, Sim Boon Kiat said the company aimed to grow its market share in Malaysia's rail sector.

He added ABB, the leader in power and automation technologies, has assumed a vital role in the power supply of the North-South electrified double-track project, taking the rail sector to the next level of efficiency and reliability. - BERNAMA

MRT technical study to be ready mid-Oct
Published: 2010/10/01
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20101001133734/Article/index_html

THE technical study for the proposed Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system is expected to be completed by mid-October, said Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar Syed Jaafar Albar.

The MRT, which will be the largest infrastructure project in Malaysia when it takes off, was identified under the government's Economic Transformation Programme, to be integrated with existing rails systems and would cover major parts of Kuala Lumpur.

Gamuda and MMC Corp are the known bidders for the project.

"We will present the technical report to the government and once it's approved by the Cabinet, we can look at value management studies," Syed Hamid told reporters after opening the "ABB Forum On Powering The Rails in Malaysia" in Kuala Lumpur today.

Rail operators, industry experts, financiers and investment bankers are attending the one-day forum to focus on solutions for an efficient and reliable rail system to fast track the nation's growth and economic reforms in tandem with the Tenth Malaysia Plan.

Meanwhile, he said the Light Rail Transit, which has assumed an important role in relieving traffic congestion in the Klang Valley, would be further improved with the planned extension of the Ampang and Kelana Jaya lines.

The Ampang project comprises a 17.7km track which would cover densely populated areas in Puchong while the Kelana Jaya LRT line would be extended approximately 17km to Subang Jaya and USJ.

"Construction of the extended lines are expected to start in November," Syed Hamid said, adding that the recent launch of the electric train service between Kuala Lumpur and Ipoh, operated by KTM Bhd, herald a new phase of rail upgrade in the country.

"Together with the double tracking project in the Northern section which will be completed by end-2013 and the link between Gemas and Johor Bahru targeted for completion in 2016, the rail sector is poised to emerge as a catalyst in the changing landscape of Malaysia's public transportation model," he said.
- BERNAMA

PM says MRT among large projects, MMC Corp shares up on upgrade
Written by Joseph Chin Friday, 01 October 2010 11:26
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-news/174549-pm-says-mrt-among-large-projects-mmc-corp-shares-up-on-upgrade.html

KUALA LUMPUR: Shares of MMC Corp rose in the morning session on Friday, Oct 1 after Credit Suisse upgraded it to an Outperform and raised the target price to RM3.80.

At 11.17am, MMC Corp was up 12 sen to RM3.12 with 4.13 million shares done.

The positive sentiment was also boosted by a wire report that the government would soon announce seven large projects including the mass rail transit (MRT) soon in Kuala Lumpur.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak was quoted saying the government was ready to announce the seven huge projects soon. “The MRT will be one of our largest projects and it will have a huge impact to the country’s economy,” he said.

Meanwhile, Credit Suisse upgraded MMC Corp to an Outperform (from Neutral), as the market had underappreciated two key developments on the stock. They were the South Johor land and the Kuala Lumpur MRT. It viewed MMC as a laggard play on these developments.

Malaysia set to announce 7 'huge' projects
Published: 2010/10/01
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20101001113111/Article/index_html

MALAYSIA will announce seven “huge” projects including a mass rail transit soon that will spur economic growth, Prime Minister Najib Razak said in Kuala Lumpur today.

“We are ready to announce these seven huge projects shortly,” he said. “The MRT will be one of our largest projects and it will have a huge impact to (sic) the country’s economy. With this, I am confident, we will be able to achieve 6 per cent to 7 per cent GDP growth.” - Bloomberg

Jala: ETP incentives will be on project basis
By LEONG HUNG YEE Friday October 1, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/10/1/business/7138901&sec=business

KUALA LUMPUR: Incentives given to the private sector to kick-start the 131 identified entry point projects (EPPs) will be offered on a project-by-project basis.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Idris Jala said the incentives would differ from one project to another.

“Some projects may require approval in land matters or infrastructure and investment tax breaks,” Idris said after delivering a special talk on the Economic Transformation Programme (ETP) at the National Small and Medium Entrepreneurs Transformation Conference 2010 yesterday.

He added that the incentives offered would somehow be customised for the requirement of each EPPs.

The Government is expected to announce the incentives in Budget 2011 on Oct 15.

The 131 EPPs and 60 business opportunities identified is expected to generate 3.3 million jobs.

It was announced recently that 92% of the investment for the EPPs would from the private sector, with the Government only contributing some 8%.

On Wednesday, former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamed said at the Perdana Leadership Foundation that Malaysia was “addicted” to foreign direct investments (FDI) and depended too much on low labour cost to pull in investments.

Responding to the statement, Idris said that the Government also needed to focus on quality FDI.

“We must look at FDI that has quality that will help us to grow our gross net income (GNI). We need to make sure FDIs will contribute to our GNI net net,” Idris said.

He said more than 70% of the ETP’s 131 EPPs were funded by domestic investors.

“73% of the investments in EPPs are coming from local investors,” he said, adding that the EPP was a private sector-led programme.

He believes that the private sector will have done thorough study on whether the EPPs were commercially viable to them.

He said they would not invest if it was not a viable project and it would also depend on their choice on where to invest.

Idris said the Government would continue to engage with the public for feedbacks during its open day; it is having an open day on Oct 4 in Kuching and Oct 7 in Kota Kinabalu.

He said the public feedback would be gathered and compiled before the release of the final document for the ETP detailed programme on Oct 26.

MRT project may exceed RM36b
By Kamarul Yunus Published: 2010/10/02
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/hamirt/Article/

THE proposed Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project for "Greater Kuala Lumpur (KL)" may cost more than the initial estimates of RM36 billion, given the various phases of its implementation, Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Syed Jaafar Albar said.

"It is not a small amount. There are various phases involved. Talking about the RM36 billion, is just for the construction," he said

Syed Hamid spoke to reporters after presenting his keynote address at ABB Malaysia's forum on powering the rails in Malaysia held in Kuala Lumpur, yesterday.

The government is doing a technical study on the MRT project to ascertain the viability and cost of the multi-billion ringgit project. It is due in the middle of this month.

"When completed, we will present the technical report to the government and once it's approved by the Cabinet, we can look at value management studies," he said.

But Syed Hamid stressed taht the government views the project as important, and wants to implement it as soon as possible.

"I can only say that the government sees the need and urgency of getting things done. It is part of the government's transformation of the public transport system. It is a programme they want to implement," he said.

Earlier in his speech, Syed Hamid said the MRT project would be integrated with other rail transport providers and is expected to be implemented in early stages of the 10th Malaysia Plan (2011-2015).

SPAD close to finishing study on MRT
By SHARIDAN M. ALI Saturday October 2, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/10/2/business/7145604&sec=business

KUALA LUMPUR: The technical study on the mass rapid transit (MRT) system proposal should be completed by middle of this month after which a report will be presented to the Government said Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar.

Syed Hamid said SPAD hired a consultant to undertake the study and would present the outcome to the Government. “Once it is approved by the Cabinet, we can look at the value management study. The Government sees the need and urgency of this as it’s part of the public transformation system.”

He said the Greater KL conurbation had been identified as a new key economic area under the 10th Malaysia Plan (10MP) where several initiatives were already underway to enhance the city public transportation network.

“Among the key initiatives on the Government’s radar are investments on public rail transport that include the implementation of high-capacity MRT system and the expansion of light rail transit (LRT).

“Works on the extended LRT lines are expected to start in November,” he told reporters after delivering the keynote address at the ABB forum entitled Powering the Rails in Malaysia – delivering efficient and reliable solutions for sustainable mobility.

To recap, the proposed MRT system, consisting three lines running a total of 150km within a 20km radius of central Kuala Lumpur, was initiated by a joint venture between MMC Corp Bhd and Gamuda Bhd earlier this year with estimated cost RM36bil.

On the departure of SPAD chief operating officer Shahril Mokhtar (who has been appointed group managing director of Syarikat Prasarana), Syed Hamid said any vacancy would be filled up and it was SPAD’s priority to hire qualified people to man its operations.

Meanwhile, Gamuda executive director Datuk Paul Ha said there was a lot of potential for bonds to be issued to finance the proposed MRT system. “The Malaysian bond market is reasonably matured where the public debt security approved by Securities Commission is around RM57bil last year,” he said.

Meanwhile, in his presentation Is there a gap in the current rail infrastructure in Malaysia? Ha said there was a need for efficiency and sustainability for the development, management and operations of the country’s rail assets through proper regulations in order to see the best results from the transport system.

“Among the key principle for rail operators is the separation of the asset ownership from the operators to reinforce accountability and establish appropriate arms-length relationships

“We must also separate the capital expenditure burden of the asset from the operational costs that can be effectively recovered from the users. There needs to have a corporate structure that strengthens accountability for performance to stakeholders and shareholders,” he said.

ABB South Asia region manager Sim Boon Kiat said the group had been steadily growing its rail portfolio and the revival of interest in Malaysia rail sector. “The demand for new railways, the electrification of the existing ones and increase in rail traffic is increasing.”

Now there is no doubt mass rapid transit (MRT) is on
Raison D'etre - Risen Jayaseelan Tuesday October 5, 2010
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/10/5/business/7160402&sec=business

IT does seem that those who were in doubt over whether the Government was serious about building a mass rapid transit (MRT) system have had most of their doubts erased following the recent open day when the Economic Transformation Programme was unveiled.

On that day, the MRT featured in a big way, albeit only as a concrete idea that emanated from the laboratory to make Kuala Lumpur a modern city.

Following that, analysts have become more bullish about the prospects of the two companies that have put in a proposal to build an MRT in the city, namely Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd.

Then last week, the chairman of the Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) said that the technical study on the MRT would be completed by the end of this month.

Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar said that following the technical study, LPTC will then present a report to the Government.

However, nothing has so far been said as to whether these reports will be made public. It is therefore hoped that these reports will be made available to all and sundry so that the decision on this massive infrastructure project, which is most likely going to be funded by public monies and built for the benefit of the public, be carried out in the most transparent way.

While it is accepted that the MRT is what is needed to enhance public transport in the city and thereby raise its livability standards, it is also a very expensive proposition.

Hence the decision on the MRT shouldn’t be a hurried one. It is understood that Singapore took about eight years of planning before it embarked on its MRT project.

True, when Singapore built it, the concept of the MRT was still new. This is no longer the case and as such a quicker plan could be inked.

But careful thought should be given to the plans to ensure that the best, most efficient and beneficial plan is chosen.

It should be noted that the technical study being done is on the plan proposed by Gamuda and MMC.

It is good to know that the remit of the technical study looks into how cost efficient the proposed system is. The study is trying to ascertain that for the amount that the MRT is going to cost, how much of connectivity will it bring about and whether its plans are feasible, technically speaking.

It is also good to know that following the technical study, another report will be done, one called a “value management” study. This is where the financial modeling of the project, among others, will be studied.

One assumes that this study will also delve into two key issues that remain unknown in the proposed MRT plan – one, who will actually own the MRT and secondly, who will operate it.

It is understood that the Gamuda-MMC proposal only entails the plans to build the MRT, partly by these companies themselves. It doesn’t clearly state which party will own it (and therefore pay for it) and who will run the system.

Again, it is hoped that the results of the value management study will be made public for the relevant feedback before such an expensive project begins.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/10/7/business/7164265&sec=business

IJM and UEM may jointly bid for MRT project
By SHARIDAN M. ALI
sharidan@thestar.com.my


PETALING JAYA: Speculation is rife that IJM Corp Bhd and UEM Group Bhd may jointly submit to the Government a proposal for the mass rapid transit (MRT) system.

Currently, it is understood that the only MRT proposal that has been submitted to the Government is the RM36bil proposal by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd.

RHB Research Institute said there were strong rumours in the market that IJM and UEM, via a joint-venture (JV), had submitted or would submit an alternative MRT proposal carrying a much cheaper price tag to the Government, competing head-on with the Gamuda-MMC JV.

The research house’s checks with IJM yielded this response: “It is always difficult to comment on rumours.”

Meanwhile, UEM, when asked by StarBiz on the matter, replied:

“We do not comment on rumours and speculation though as mentioned in July, we would be interested to submit a bid if the MRT project is open for tender.” RHB Research said while theoretically open bidding should ensure the best value for money, it suspected that “urgency” might take precedence in the case of this MRT project.

“We equate the MRT project to the backbone of the Greater KL National Key Economic Area (NKEA) under the Economic Transformation Programme (ETP).

“Thus, we are unsure if the Government can afford to spend a few extra months to evaluate an alternative proposal,” it said in a report yesterday.

Nevertheless, RHB Research believed that most, if not all, related players would benefit from the MRT project given the sheer size of the project, as long as it got off the ground.

“In any case, the Gamuda-MMC JV already said that it only intends to keep the tunneling works that make up about 30% of total project value with the remaining 70% to be awarded out to other players on a competitive basis,” it said.

IJM and UEM may jointly bid for MRT project
By SHARIDAN M. ALI
sharidan@thestar.com.my


PETALING JAYA: Speculation is rife that IJM Corp Bhd and UEM Group Bhd may jointly submit to the Government a proposal for the mass rapid transit (MRT) system.

Currently, it is understood that the only MRT proposal that has been submitted to the Government is the RM36bil proposal by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd.

RHB Research Institute said there were strong rumours in the market that IJM and UEM, via a joint-venture (JV), had submitted or would submit an alternative MRT proposal carrying a much cheaper price tag to the Government, competing head-on with the Gamuda-MMC JV.

The research house’s checks with IJM yielded this response: “It is always difficult to comment on rumours.”

Meanwhile, UEM, when asked by StarBiz on the matter, replied:

“We do not comment on rumours and speculation though as mentioned in July, we would be interested to submit a bid if the MRT project is open for tender.” RHB Research said while theoretically open bidding should ensure the best value for money, it suspected that “urgency” might take precedence in the case of this MRT project.

“We equate the MRT project to the backbone of the Greater KL National Key Economic Area (NKEA) under the Economic Transformation Programme (ETP).

“Thus, we are unsure if the Government can afford to spend a few extra months to evaluate an alternative proposal,” it said in a report yesterday.

Nevertheless, RHB Research believed that most, if not all, related players would benefit from the MRT project given the sheer size of the project, as long as it got off the ground.

“In any case, the Gamuda-MMC JV already said that it only intends to keep the tunneling works that make up about 30% of total project value with the remaining 70% to be awarded out to other players on a competitive basis,” it said.

i luv competition..at the end it will reduce cost n taxpayers money:banana:

i luv competition..at the end it will reduce cost n taxpayers money:banana:

Don't forget, sometimes with reduced cost comes "reduced" quality. Contractors will cut corners and jeopardize safety. At the end more taxpayers money will be used to put things right as it should have been in the first place.

Don't forget, sometimes with reduced cost comes "reduced" quality. Contractors will cut corners and jeopardize safety. At the end more taxpayers money will be used to put things right as it should have been in the first place.

reduced quality?.. lcct dont need quality, if there's leak or hole, just cover them with zinc thats will do.. kidding..

i mean, we can reduce cost if let say no cronism , no corruption, no hanky panky, no politics involved.. then we can hv a good quality lcct with reasonable cost, then peoples happy,Tony Fernandez happy..

reduced quality?.. lcct dont need quality, if there's leak or hole, just cover them with zinc thats will do.. kidding..

i mean, we can reduce cost if let say no cronism , no corruption, no hanky panky, no politics involved.. then we can hv a good quality lcct with reasonable cost, then peoples happy,Tony Fernandez happy..

That is if you live in an ideal world my friend. This thing happens all the time. Please goggle Enron, California Energy Crisis, etc. What happened when there were a lot of competition.

reduced quality?.. lcct dont need quality, if there's leak or hole, just cover them with zinc thats will do.. kidding..

i mean, we can reduce cost if let say no cronism , no corruption, no hanky panky, no politics involved.. then we can hv a good quality lcct with reasonable cost, then peoples happy,Tony Fernandez happy..

hard to imagine a public project where politicians are not involved.

MRT: Gamuda turut jadi pilihan?
13 Oktober 2010
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2010&dt=1014&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Korporat&pg=ko_06.htm

KUALA LUMPUR 13 Okt.- Gamuda Bhd. dijangka mencatatkan purata pertumbuhan 18 peratus dalam pendapatan bagi tahun kewangan 2011 hingga 2013, kata MIMB Investment Bank.

Katanya, pertumbuhan utama dijangka diterajui oleh bahagian pembinaan dan hartanah.

"Pemangkin bagi bahagian pembinaan sekarang adalah kelulusan projek transit aliran massa (MRT) bernilai RM36 bilion, manakala pertumbuhan dalam bahagian hartanah dijangka pada 55 peratus tahun ke tahun, dipacu oleh jualan hartanah dari Vietnam," kata MIMB dalam notanya hari ini.

Firma penyelidikan itu berkata, butir-butir terperinci projek MRT dijangka diumumkan pada 26 Oktober.

"Oleh kerana projek ini merupakan satu daripada segelintir projek mega dalam tempoh beberapa tahun ini, kami percaya ia akan menarik banyak minat. Gamuda yang menjadi antara syarikat pilihan bagi projek mega ini, sepatutnya meningkatkan prospek pendapatannya manakala isu pembiayaan perlu diselesaikan.

"Oleh kerana kami percaya projek MRT itu daripada segi ciri-cirinya adalah jangka panjang dan penilaian Gamuda kelihatan baik, kami memulakan liputan bagi saham ini dengan penarafan neutral," kata firma itu.

MIMB juga menaikkan harga sasaran Gamuda kepada RM4.10 daripada RM3.83 sebelumnya.

Dengan nilai perolehan projek sekarang sebanyak RM6 bilion, ia berkata, bahagian pembinaan Gamuda akan sentiasa aktif bagi tempoh beberapa tahun akan datang, apabila projek MRT menjadi kenyataan.

Pembinaan Yen So Park akan beroperasi penuh selepas pertengahan tahun kewangan 2011.

Bagaimanapun, kesan penuh daripada pendapatan projek dari Vietnam hanya akan dirasai pada tahun kewangan 2012, kata MIMB.

hard to imagine a public project where politicians are not involved.

:)That is just the problem here!!!:ohno:

1. Half underground (mostly in KL), and other half elevated.
2. Three lines: Red Line, Green Line and Circle/Loop Line
3. Total length: 155km
4. Phase 1: 2011-2016
5. Phase 2: 2015-2019
6. Incorporates KL's first underground commercial city

Red Line: RRIM in Sungai Buloh - Damansara PJ - Pusat Bandar Damansara - Bukit Bintang - KLIFD - Pandan - Serdang

Green Line: Kepong - Sentul - Kampung Baru/KLCC - KLIFD - Taman Kooperasi, Cheras

Circle Line: Pusat Bandar Damansara - Mont Kiara - Sentul - Setiawangsa - Pandan - Miharja - Mid Valley/KL Sentral - Bangsar - Pusat Bandar Damansara


Integration: Red Line and Green Line will interchanged at KL International Financial District (KLIFD), near Jalan Cochrane.



My Suggestions:
- To integrate both start and end of Red and Green Lines at RRIM Sungai Buloh and Serdang.
- Branch line between Red Line Damansara PJ to the current LRT in Kelana Jaya.
- Create mini-monorails to serve PJ, Sunway, Subang, Shah Alam and Puchong areas.



RED LINE
My suggestions:


1. Paya Jaras Depot/Bandar Baru Sungei Buloh
2. Rubber Research Institute/Subang 2
3. Sungei Buloh -------------------------------------- (KTM)
4. Damansara Damai --------------------------------- (Bus Terminal)
5. Kota Damansara Utara
6. Kota Damansara Selatan/Pelangi Damansara
7. Mutiara Damansara
8. Bandar Utama Interchange -------------------------- (Branch Line, Coach Terminal in 1U)

** Bandar Utama MRT-LRT Spur Line Interchange
8A. Pelangi Utama/Kayu Ara
8B. Damansara Jaya/Taman SEA SS23
8C. Kampung Cempaka/Dataran Prima
8D. Lembah Subang ----------------------------------- (LRT-KJ Extension)

9. Damansara Uptown --------------------------------
10. Damansara Intan/Tropicana City
11. PJ Seksyen 16/Phileo Damansara
12. Universiti Malaya Campus North
13. Pusat Bandar Damansara ---------------------- --- (MRT-Loop)
14. Jalan Semantan
15. Parlimen/Lake Gardens
16. Bank Negara ------------------------------------- (KTM)
17. Masjid Jamek ------------------------------------- (LRT-KJ)
[B]18. Warisan Merdeka
19. Imbi (Monorail)
20. KL International Financial District Interchange ----- (MRT-Green)
21. Jalan Kampung Pandan
22. Pandan Indah ------------------------------------- (LRT-AMP and MRT Loop)
23. Taman Kencana
24. Kampung Cheras Baru, off Jalan Kuari
25. Pusat Bandar Cheras/Cheras Business Centre
26. Taman Midah Interchange -------------------------- (MRT-Green)
27. HUKM Bandar Tun Razak
28. Desa Petaling East
29. Alam Damai
30. Sungei Besi RMAF/Proposed Malaysia City
31. Mines Resort City Seri Kembangan
32. Mines South Lake/Taman Sungei Besi Indah
33. Serdang ------------------------------------------- (KTM)
34. Serdang Baru/Serdang Jaya
35. Universiti Pertanian Malaysia
36. Taman Equine/Taman Pinggiran Putra
37. Taman Lestari Permai
38. Putrajaya Sentral Interchange --------------------- (Putrajaya Monorail and ERL KLIA)

[BOLD] = New Urban Centres

since Red, Green and Loop are new constructions, I seriously suggest the "Twisted Stacked"configuration for interchange stations, else we will land ourselves in poor integrations between lines such as in the LRT / monorail network.

since Red, Green and Loop are new constructions, I seriously suggest the "Twisted Stacked"configuration for interchange stations, else we will land ourselves in poor integrations between lines such as in the LRT / monorail network.


For the 3 new MRT line, theres no need to buy a new pass to move to other lines rite??? For MRT -> LRT/Monorail ??? How about suspend the ride when exit MRT and continue the ride when enters LRT/Monorail lines??? :)

PS: suspended ride might not be suitable... Any idea??? :)

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/10/18/central/7245782&sec=central

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/10/18/central/7245227&sec=central

MRT project may worsen traffic pattern, say NGOs
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/10/20/central/7256550&sec=central

Kimlum berminat laksana projek MRT
Syarikat miliki kepakaran kerja bina terowong
Oleh Ahmad Farizal Hajat 2010/10/25
http://www.bharian.com.my/articles/KimlumberminatlaksanaprojekMRT/Article/

SYARIKAT pembinaan dan kejuruteraan, Kimlun Corporation Bhd, berminat menjadi sebahagian kontraktor kecil melaksanakan projek Transit Aliran Pantas (MRT) Lembah Klang Kuala Lumpur yang bernilai RM40 bilion.

Ketua Eksekutifnya, Sim Tian Liang, berkata ia berdasarkan pengalaman dan rekod syarikat itu sebelum ini yang terbabit dalam pelaksanaan beberapa projek MRT di Singapura.

“Sebagai salah sebuah syarikat tempatan yang memiliki teknologi, kepakaran dan pengalaman dalam melaksanakan projek MRT di luar negara, kami memang berhasrat untuk terbabit dalam projek pembangunan MRT di Lembah Klang.

“Justeru, kami sedang mengadakan beberapa rundingan dan perbincangan dengan beberapa pihak berkaitan untuk menawarkan kepakaran kami dalam projek terbabit,” katanya kepada Berita Harian di Kuala Lumpur.

Kimlun memiliki pengalaman dan kepakaran teknikal yang diperoleh daripada pembabitannya dalam projek penyambungan MRT di Singapura.

Antara lain, syarikat itu membekalkan konkrit segmen terowong kepada kontraktor utama projek MRT di Singapura yang membabitkan nilai kontrak melebihi RM100 juta sejak 2005.

Penganalisis berkata, projek MRT Kuala Lumpur Lembah Klang yang akan dilaksanakan secara berperingkat bermula pertengahan tahun depan meliputi laluan ke Serdang, Cheras, Kepong, Damansara, Subang Jaya dan Puchong itu akan membabitkan pembinaan rangkaian rel sepanjang 150 kilometer dengan sepertiga daripadanya akan dibina di bawah tanah.

Justeru, katanya, dengan permintaan domestik bagi segmen konkrit terowong sangat cerah, ia dijangka akan memanfaatkan sebahagian kontraktor yang terbabit dalam mengeluarkan segmen konkrit terowong di negara ini.

Tian Liang berkata, bagi memastikan perancangan syarikat itu untuk menjadi kontraktor kecil bagi projek MRT Kuala Lumpur Lembah Klang tercapai, pihaknya sedang menaikkan taraf kemudahan kilangnya di Johor untuk meningkatkan lagi kapasiti pengeluaran konkrit segmen terowong MRT.

Kimlun adalah adalah syarikat pegangan pelaburan dengan tiga anak syarikat milik penuh iaitu Kimlun Sdn Bhd (KLSB), SPC Industries Sdn Bhd (SPC) dan I-Buildtech Solutions Pte.Ltd (IBT).

Kumpulan itu menyediakan perkhidmatan kejuruteraan dan pembinaan yang mengkhusus di dalam infrastruktur dan pembinaan bangunan, pengurusan pembinaan, penyediaan Sistem Berasaskan Industri (IBS) dan pengeluaran produk konkrit.

Sehingga 30 April, 2010, baki projek dalam tangan Kimlun dianggarkan kira-kira RM730.9 juta dan mencukupi bagi tempoh dua tahun.

Syarikat itu sedang sibuk menyiapkan dua projek pembinaan di Johor yang membabitkan nilai keseluruhan RM135 juta yang mana sejumlah RM70 juta membabitkan projek pembinaan sebuah kolej swasta di Iskandar, manakala RM65 juta lagi adalah projek pembinaan dua blok apartmen servis untuk Bukit Indah (Johor) Sdn Bhd, anak syrikat milik penuh SP Setia Bhd setinggi 25 tingkat.

Who are the most likely players (companies) to be awarded for the MRT projects?

still no trains passing sunway...kl kl kl kl

still no trains passing sunway...kl kl kl kl

The only solution that i can think in my opinion, build APM (automated people mover) from Sunway to KTM station such as Subang Jaya or Setia Jaya.

Who are the most likely players (companies) to be awarded for the MRT projects?

Not surprised if they're the companies that proposed it in the first place.

The only solution that i can think in my opinion, build APM (automated people mover) from Sunway to KTM station such as Subang Jaya or Setia Jaya.

I think another solution is build monorail from KL Sentral to Subang Jaya or USJ via Mid Valley, Bukit Angkasa, Taman Sri Sentosa, Kg Medan, and Bandar Sunway. This area have large commuter pool, and increase commuting efficiency of the area served - some of the area are covered by KTM Komuter, but KTM Komuter train frequency is low, and Komuter station have quite distance away from the residential area. The monorail line should pass through the middle of the residential area.

This Monorail may called... PJS Monorail.

I thought that was the original plan!!!Remember gigacity by our beloved uncle vincent tan!!

I just take the original plan and modified it. *^.^*

frankly speaking ,our government should improve the bus system first rather spending billions of our tax payers money to build this MRT. Moreover the budget allocations is prior to Klang Valley only,do the people in Putrajaya not realised that there are cities n towns around malaysia as a whole still dont have a good quality transportation infrastructure..i believe Sabahan n Sarawakians definitely want a decent public transport as what peninsular hv right now especially Klang Valley, n how about the northern peninsular such as in Penang where the traffic is getting worse by day but no budget allocations on their transports.. please this country is belong to Malaysians not to KL's people only,thats allocations of national budget should be spread fairly among Malaysians..

frankly speaking ,our government should improve the bus system first rather spending billions of our tax payers money to build this MRT. Moreover the budget allocations is prior to Klang Valley only,do the people in Putrajaya not realised that there are cities n towns around malaysia as a whole still dont have a good quality transportation infrastructure..i believe Sabahan n Sarawakians definitely want a decent public transport as what peninsular hv right now especially Klang Valley, n how about the northern peninsular such as in Penang where the traffic is getting worse by day but no budget allocations on their transports.. please this country is belong to Malaysians not to KL's people only,thats allocations of national budget should be spread fairly among Malaysians..

One question - If you have 10 cows with 2 cows producing good breed. With a limited budget that you have, wouldn't it natural for you to allocate more money to that 2 cows? Because these two cows could give you a higher yield for your investment.