Project Information
Date of Listing 28 Nov 2003
Project Name Pinnacle 16
Property Type Apartment
Street Shan/Irrawady Road
District 11
Postal Code Not Specified
Country Singapore
Total No of Units 25
TOP Date 31 Jan 2007
Tenure Freehold
Sale Price Avg $760 psf
Maintenance Charge
Not Specified
Remarks Not Specified
Facilities Swimming Pool, Jacuzzi, Gymnasium
Units
Overall Not Specified
http://www.redas.com/upload/property/{CF0471D4-2C55-42D5-9479-E4AD88F834BF}_pinnacle_home.jpg

Address: 16 Shan Road
Units: 73

Highrise skygarden with gym, open deck and function area.

ooh I saw it advertising in today's paper. Looks a lot like Lincoln Modern. I think I will keep an eye on this as its near my area :cool:

Well, very few info about it.

Used to see it the huge sign board things on the way home from school everyday. Looks quite nice, yeah? Very glassy.

9 July 2004

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/ssc1819/pinnacle9.jpg

signboard

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/ssc1819/pinnacle9a.jpg

On the news......

JULY 11, 2004
Viewing pleasure

Pinnacle 16

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2004-07-11/21c.jpg

Location: 16 Shan Road

Tenure: Freehold

Unit size range: 581 sq ft to 1,787 sq ft (one to three bedrooms)

Price range: $405,000 to $1.1 million

Developer: SB (Novena) Development (subsidiary of Soilbuild Group)

Copyright @ 2004 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved.

most of the units are very small..

Some '5-room' condos are even smaller than a '3-room' HDB flat.:(

The thing about many of these private condos is that they have penthouses with access to a roofdeck. You can even have a jacuzzi on the roof!

:bash:

Bad News - it hasnt started construction yet. Those pics posted earlier show the demolition of the previous building, which is still under demolition today. I guess it will start construction next year or end of this year earliest.

Good News - we can watch this rise from scratch.

I really wonder how they demolish highrises?

Like reverse-construction?
Meaning dismantling it slowly and use cranes to carry the pieces down?

This one is a controlled demolition, each floor is demolished slowly from the top down and netting is put around the structure to protect the surroundings from falling debris.

I realised that it was a demolition as the thing seemed shorter and I heard falling pieces, like if you broke many concrete walls and the bits fell to the ground like crushed ice but louder.

I've seen the demolition of a lowrise school building beside my school, and they used a crushing claw.

24 Oct 2004

the old building has been completed demolished, site cleared for digging

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/6324/pinnacle2410.jpg

i went to view the showrooms and only 2 bedrooms apartment are left it hink.. and one not very big penthouse. and uh... to say 5 room condos are smaller than 3 room flats would be a bit of an exaggeration... you can't even use hdb terminology for condominiums anyway since their so different.. but yeah they're smaller.

Are those colonial bungalows?! :eek:

yah this project is really small even the plot itself looks small

@redstone, not sure I never checked but I strongly doubt it. You can see the Ansley in the background :cool:

http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~mippy/pin16.jpg

6 January 2004

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/6324/pin06015gd.jpg

Um, what was the old building?:?

Um, what was the old building?:?

it was a former apartment that was white in colour and had rounded balconies (looked late 70s or early 80s)...but that was what I made of it before it was totally demolished

Oh, a condo called Bright Apartments...

28th January 2005

http://membres.lycos.fr/pengui/ssc/050128_construction03.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/pengui/ssc/050128_construction04.jpg

The digging seems nearly finished.

I wonder if the residents would feel uncomfortable with the Police HQ right next door! :lol:

The project features a sky garden:

http://img203.exs.cx/img203/3011/pinngarden2ax.jpg

22 March 2005

still working deep underground on the hill
http://img221.exs.cx/img221/2311/pinn22033px.jpg

showroom at Shan Rd
http://img216.exs.cx/img216/4871/pinn2203a0qk.jpg

23 June 2005

http://tinypic.com/6fmed0.jpg

Hi Everyone

Thank you for all the interesting and well-taken photos. I have actually purchased a unit here and eagerly awaiting its completion.

I once saw 2 guys taking pics around the site, is that you?

Cheers

Welcome dtyn1 to Singapore forum. We hope to see around often.

Congrats on your purchase. :)

welcome dtyn1 :)

I was at the site with a forumer once, but I usually take the pics myself.

There are some rather old apartments near this project..might have the potential to be redeveloped as well.

welcome dtyn1 :)

I was at the site with a forumer once, but I usually take the pics myself.

There are some rather old apartments near this project..might have the potential to be redeveloped as well.

Hi there

Yes you are right, the apartment in RED - Shan Court i think looks rather old, so I think it may be redeveloped in future. The other one still looks rather new, so not likely. There's also a very old grey building near the showroom that may be torn down soon.

Anyway my unit faces south (city) so hopefully there won't be too much disturbance. Now I pity the residents of Shan Court. :bash:

Welcome dtyn1 to Singapore forum. We hope to see around often.

Congrats on your purchase. :)

Helo

Thank you. I will certainly check back here often ;). With pics like these, it's as good as going down to check out the progress myself! :)

Hi Everyone

Thank you for all the interesting and well-taken photos. I have actually purchased a unit here and eagerly awaiting its completion.

I once saw 2 guys taking pics around the site, is that you?

Cheers


Hi dtyn1,

Think you probably saw me and my cousin there. I go to the site on a weekly basis to take photos of the progress... haha. Will post the photos when I free. (but the pic quality will not be good as its taken with a camera phone)

I also purchased a unit there, so can't wait for it to be completed soon. Was there last weekend and I think it is already at its 11th storey.... fast!!!

Anybody else bought a unit there too?

Hi Everybody,

I tried to post some photos I took last week but realise that I cannot do so :omg: Any experienced forumer can advice on how to post photos? (Sorry, me newbie to forums :bash: )

Anyway, latest update on the construction. RC Structure currently at 10-11th Storey, progressing at a rate of 1 storey every 8-10 days. Pool rc structure completed. Bin center completed. Brickworks and plastering to the first few storeys in progress. I even saw the steel framing for the curtain wall already in place at the 2nd storey! Hopefully the glass will be up soon!!

Will be there again this weekend to take more photos!!

upload your pics to any image hosting server e.g. http://www.imageshack.us/

copy the image link and post it here using image tags explained here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/misc.php?do=bbcode#imgcode

Thanks Hyacinthus!!

As promised, here are some pics that i took :

This one taken on 9th Aug 2005
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3290/09080514395qa.jpg

These two were taken on 10th Sept 2005
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7428/10090516595mg.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9045/10090516537ug.jpg

The structure of my unit already constructed... but sad to say that the view it is blocked by shan court :ohno:

u r welcome.

didn't check before buying?

I was told by the agent that my unit would most probably be block by shan court. So actually kind of expected it already.... :)

There is another similar new development call the Medge near Pinnacle 16. Anybody saw that? Comments?

I see. guess you will draw up the blinds most of the time.

Nope. Have yet seen the Medge. Maybe, RafflesCity and jchua76 have.

Yup, the view is not really a major consideration. If I need to see a nice scenery, can always go up to the sky garden at the 14th storey. :)

Hi shinjan! welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing your pics :)

I think the building will rise very fast now, but when they were doing the foundations..it took a long time!

Is the Medge built already? How tall will it be?

The Medge is 16 storey high development similar to the Pinnacle 16. It is located next to the Ansley. Construction has not started yet.

Here is a pic :

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/246/medge3ba.jpg

and the map :

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9540/medgemap6ab.jpg

In terms of design and location, I still prefer Pinnacle 16 :) (maybe becos i bought Pinnacle 16 already!! :bash: )

What you guys think?

Pinnacle16 is closer to Novena Square & MRT station, as for design exteriorwise, definitely prefer Pinnacle16.

Medge units seem bigger though.

This site even has a 3D view of a unit. :)
http://www.viewtooffer.com/projects/Medge/index.php?id=149&projectname=Medge

http://www.viewtooffer.com/projects/Medge/images/medge/plan.jpg

RafflesCity, the pics you posted earlier in this thread are broken... it happened for a few others too. What happened?

I am not sure about the 2-room units, but their 1-room studio is only 463 sqft compared to 581 sqft for Pinnacle 16. Its really small... can hardly fit in any furniture at all.

463 (square feet) = 43.0141075 square meters
...
You'd probably be surprised by the amount of furniture I managed to stack-up in my 23 sqm 1-rm flat in Paris ^ ^

:lol: Show us a pic! :)

medge sounds like madge for madonna. how are the views?

@hya

I changed account, so some pics from the old account may not be working, anyway, I'll add them back.

@heirloom

probably lots of greenery around there

Hi dtyn1,

Think you probably saw me and my cousin there. I go to the site on a weekly basis to take photos of the progress... haha. Will post the photos when I free. (but the pic quality will not be good as its taken with a camera phone)

I also purchased a unit there, so can't wait for it to be completed soon. Was there last weekend and I think it is already at its 11th storey.... fast!!!

Anybody else bought a unit there too?

Hi Shinjan

Wow have not moved in already know neighbour liao! Nice to meet u.

My unit is facing south (city) so I am not blocked. Also above the sky garden so above TTSH too!

I drive by once a while to see the progress too. Hope to see you soon.

I definitely prefer Pinnacle even if I had not purchased. Medge is too far to walk to MRT, and that route is too dark and quiet. I tried it out when I was 'recce-ing' the surroundings.

In contrast, Pinnnacle is 5 mins walk, through future Novena Sq extension, medical centre, TTSH, NNI, and lots of policemen! Sure very safe one.

I bought Pinnacle on the spot. Hopefully can move in soon... save on petrol, ERP, S&C charges, HDB season parking, etc. I actually do not pay more on such things by moving to Pinnacle from Woodlands...

Here I am with more photos of Pinnacle 16!! :) But the photos appear slightly dark as i went in the evening :bash:

Currently at 12 storey:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7488/23090518146fp.jpg

The Bin Center and M&E rooms:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9582/23090518150ta.jpg

The pool structure:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6176/23090518333bs.jpg

If u look close enuff, u can see the glass curtain wall behind the blue netting!!

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3770/23090518187dq.jpg

Another pic:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1221/23090518357xw.jpg

Will post again soon!!

I definitely prefer Pinnacle even if I had not purchased. Medge is too far to walk to MRT, and that route is too dark and quiet. I tried it out when I was 'recce-ing' the surroundings.

In contrast, Pinnnacle is 5 mins walk, through future Novena Sq extension, medical centre, TTSH, NNI, and lots of policemen! Sure very safe one.

I bought Pinnacle on the spot. Hopefully can move in soon... save on petrol, ERP, S&C charges, HDB season parking, etc. I actually do not pay more on such things by moving to Pinnacle from Woodlands...


hey dtyn1,

nice to know a neighbour-to-be here!!

I also recce the area many times already. Walking distance to eateries at balestier, cinemas at Shaw Plaza and the future Novena Square extension. Even got free security guard at the door step (Home affairs HQ)!!!

medge sounds like madge for madonna. how are the views?

Not quite sure about the views, but i know there are several high rise development there like the Ansley and De-Paradiso.. so view may be partially block.

hey dtyn1,

nice to know a neighbour-to-be here!!

I also recce the area many times already. Walking distance to eateries at balestier, cinemas at Shaw Plaza and the future Novena Square extension. Even got free security guard at the door step (Home affairs HQ)!!!

The security guard at MOHA is not free. We are paying for their salary via income tax, hehehe. :)

The Medge is 16 storey high development similar to the Pinnacle 16. It is located next to the Ansley. Construction has not started yet.
......
In terms of design and location, I still prefer Pinnacle 16 :) (maybe becos i bought Pinnacle 16 already!! :bash: )

What you guys think?

i'm sure Pinnacle 16 is better in terms of location compared to the ANsley location, myself i hv gone there a zillion times to look at it since way back when it was laucnhed. Perfect location...fell in love with tht area the first time there myself...the buildings around it are all very chic...modern...tall slim n glassy seems to define the novena area...

well, i sure hope u guys got ur units before the new 10% rule, coz after that, prize for P16 seem to go up abit and things started to move on the few left over units...

but to my surprise these days, studios are no longer the units in demand, it's the two bedroom units. Think there might be a little over supply for now...coz at Parc emily, seems like the leftovers are almost all studios.

New apartment...new life...gd luck ppl

i'm sure Pinnacle 16 is better in terms of location compared to the ANsley location, myself i hv gone there a zillion times to look at it since way back when it was laucnhed. Perfect location...fell in love with tht area the first time there myself...the buildings around it are all very chic...modern...tall slim n glassy seems to define the novena area...

New apartment...new life...gd luck ppl

Hi

Did you buy a unit here too? :)

hi dtyn1,

no i didn't get a unit there...i guess for myself P16 is good if one wants to stay in there, location is quite perfect, building design looks good but i came more fr an investment standpoint, so i got Parc Emily instead becoz of the surrounding campus in the city and for address sake.

But i think, either P16 or Parc Emily wld be reasonably good deals if one is looking longer term, we can only keep our fingers crossed and hope the economy stays afloat.

looks like your new hm wld be ready very soon so keep the pic coming!

We haven't seen you post for a while... how are you? Think I saw you outside Nooch one Saturday at Citylink mall.

anyway, congrats ahlipp! :)

hi dtyn1,

no i didn't get a unit there...i guess for myself P16 is good if one wants to stay in there, location is quite perfect, building design looks good but i came more fr an investment standpoint, so i got Parc Emily instead becoz of the surrounding campus in the city and for address sake.

But i think, either P16 or Parc Emily wld be reasonably good deals if one is looking longer term, we can only keep our fingers crossed and hope the economy stays afloat.

looks like your new hm wld be ready very soon so keep the pic coming!

Hi Ahlipp

Yes you are right, it's going up 3 floors per month and I think TOP should be Apr-Jun 06. Can't wait to move in for the super-convenient central location.

Actually I almost bought Emily Residence, but the developer was 'how-lian' and refused a small request from me. They were confident of selling their smaller units in Jakarta and ignored a small purchaser like me, but now have been proven WRONG, haha. Serves them right. :bash:

Looking back now it was a great blessing in disguise. Not only did it cost more than P16, it was further from MRT, and the environment is not so good especially at night.

If the developer is reading this, THANK YOU for rejecting my request! :cheers:

We haven't seen you post for a while... how are you? Think I saw you outside Nooch one Saturday at Citylink mall.

anyway, congrats ahlipp! :)

hi hya...not been posting tht's for sure..but always lurking around!! as long as you fellows are here religioiusly posting away, i'll be around...just looking :) ...

emm...yes tht might be me...been ard there often lately...i'm fine thk u...n u? must be bz looking around for home interior yourself? chatuchak thailand has lots of great buys for home interior i tink... the stuffs there are simply a'maze'zing ...

fr an investment standpoint, so i got Parc Emily instead becoz of the surrounding campus in the city and for address sake.

That's funny, if from investment standpoint, how come you didn't get 8@Mount Sophia instead? Much higher % return: higher rent cos of nearer location, buying prices slightly lower than Parc Emily cos leasehold.

Only thing is u must know when to sell (actually this applies also to freehold).

Good investments are those cheaper 99-year property that get you high rents:
- Amaryllis Ville
- Domain 21
- Leonie Studio
- 8@Mount Sophia
- used to be Valley Park, UE Square, that type

...Actually I almost bought Emily Residence, but the developer was 'how-lian' and refused a small request from me. They were confident of selling their smaller units in Jakarta and ignored a small purchaser like me, but now have been proven WRONG, haha. Serves them right. :bash:

Looking back now it was a great blessing in disguise. Not only did it cost more than P16, it was further from MRT, and the environment is not so good especially at night. ....

i saw the Emily Residence too, didn't like it tht much either. The only attraction of tht place is a little bit of nostalgia coming fr the shop houses...

overall the feeling i get out of P16 area...it's modern, young, energetic, good food all around with balestia just behind...oooh the bak kut teh, there's a little corner pub in novena square too, good chicken rice there...3 minutes train ride to orchard, i wld luv to live there

feeling i get out of Mount emily area, cosy with a hilltop park..istana just behind, nostalgia..with the shophouses around it...in it's own little exclusive corner. little india close by...the curry fish head oohh!!

if there's gonna be a skyscrapercity house warming...drop us a mail...we will click away from the sky garden haha...

That's funny, if from investment standpoint, how come you didn't get 8@Mount Sophia instead? Much higher % return: higher rent cos of nearer location, buying prices slightly lower than Parc Emily cos leasehold.

Only thing is u must know when to sell (actually this applies also to freehold).

Good investments are those cheaper 99-year property that get you high rents:
- Amaryllis Ville
- Domain 21
- Leonie Studio
- 8@Mount Sophia
- used to be Valley Park, UE Square, that type

i'm looking longer term...and the price diff ain't tht big a gap, so i opt for freehold. But in all truth, we know properties in S'pore is not going to see the speculative gains it once saw in the 90's.

perhaps you were pointing to a more speculative kind of investment...letting go in 4-5 years kind of timing...yes, then i agree, leasehold with better locations helps... but beyond tht, i go for holding value. i'm looking a little longer term than tht.... also cld be for own stay in future.

Amaryllis Ville...if i'm not wrong still some left over units after this long and developer trying to lease those unsold units themselves?? When it comes to rental where is the catalyst coming fr? as i compare Novena area and Mount Shopia/Emily area...

Yeah the fact that it is so near Little India, that is the problem I had with Parc Emily... no offense to anyone here...

I loved the showroom and the layout and the fact that it was freehold. But then I visited the actual building site and I realized that if I had bought Parc Emily I'd be staring at Little India and Tekka market the whole time. Had some friends who saw the place also tell me that the proximity of Little India/Tekka was the only reason why they didn't buy the place.

My mum also dissuaded me... she said the road access when driving was from Niven Rd, which is the Rex Theater side, and she didn't think that's a very nice area.

I know that if I'd bought it, when people visit my place, they will surely make snide comments about living so near Little India, near all those sleazy KTV, etc. and resale is not gonna be easy either cos a lot of people got problems with it being near Little India.

Didn't want my friends to laugh at me so I didn't buy it in the end. I really love the place but the presence of Little India so near by just spoiled it for me... in fact I still love it so much that I frequently drive by, park my car at the backpacker's hostel at emily park, and go down for a walk around the construction site.


* apologies if i'm being too frank. just re-telling my experiences.

hi lipp, congrats on your purchase! :cool:

I think the Mount Emily area is certainly gaining momentum, and its location is quite unbeatable (with regards to location to CBD and food) :O

Yeah the fact that it is so near Little India, that is the problem I had with Parc Emily... no offense to anyone here...

I loved the showroom and the layout and the fact that it was freehold. But then I visited the actual building site and I realized that if I had bought Parc Emily I'd be staring at Little India and Tekka market the whole time. Had some friends who saw the place also tell me that the proximity of Little India/Tekka was the only reason why they didn't buy the place.

My mum also dissuaded me... she said the road access when driving was from Niven Rd, which is the Rex Theater side, and she didn't think that's a very nice area.

I know that if I'd bought it, when people visit my place, they will surely make snide comments about living so near Little India, near all those sleazy KTV, etc. and resale is not gonna be easy either cos a lot of people got problems with it being near Little India.

Didn't want my friends to laugh at me so I didn't buy it in the end. I really love the place but the presence of Little India so near by just spoiled it for me... in fact I still love it so much that I frequently drive by, park my car at the backpacker's hostel at emily park, and go down for a walk around the construction site.


* apologies if i'm being too frank. just re-telling my experiences.

Haha jchua, you said everything perfectly. I did not want to say it myself to avoid any misunderstandings. I agree that it is a nice establishment ITSELF, but unfortunately the SURROUNDINGS are not. I walked around the area at night and did not like the feeling. Not to mention the KTV car jockeys will look 'hopefully' at my car every night when I drive home..... bad idea... :sleepy:

Yeah the fact that it is so near Little India, that is the problem I had with Parc Emily... no offense to anyone here...

I loved the showroom and the layout and the fact that it was freehold. But then I visited the actual building site and I realized that if I had bought Parc Emily I'd be staring at Little India and Tekka market the whole time. Had some friends who saw the place also tell me that the proximity of Little India/Tekka was the only reason why they didn't buy the place.

My mum also dissuaded me... she said the road access when driving was from Niven Rd, which is the Rex Theater side, and she didn't think that's a very nice area.

I know that if I'd bought it, when people visit my place, they will surely make snide comments about living so near Little India, near all those sleazy KTV, etc. and resale is not gonna be easy either cos a lot of people got problems with it being near Little India.

Didn't want my friends to laugh at me so I didn't buy it in the end. I really love the place but the presence of Little India so near by just spoiled it for me... in fact I still love it so much that I frequently drive by, park my car at the backpacker's hostel at emily park, and go down for a walk around the construction site.


* apologies if i'm being too frank. just re-telling my experiences.

no worries jchua76, i look at things with an open mind, i agree the pl has a more complex mix but i tink tht is what gives it more character... little india to me is color, i belief for foreigners as well...coz i spend a great deal of time in INDIA over the years, so i'm not bothered. The fact it's tucked right at the back of the hill beside the park, gives the sense of serenity and quiet peace in the midst of neon lights ,shophouses and young folks loitering around parklane...tht's cool to me

so jchua76, u gotten somewhere else? still in the hunt? i guess it goes down to pricing in the end, hw much one is willing for a studio...there sure are better areas...but with it...a heavier price tag.

@raffie, thks :) though i had to admit, it was a struggle between your favourite Novena area n Emily area... but a trick to get a good bargain, hv two pl in mind, go to one developer and call the other telling him u r there with a cheque...then a kind of bidding takes pl between the two...sometimes u get a better bargain ;)

Actually, I visited the showroom for Parc Emily before i purchase P16 too. I agree that the location for Parc Emily is great and exclusive, but what i dun like is the crowd of foreign workers at night during the weekends (no offence to anyone).

For me, it is a struggle between Citylights & Pinnacle 16. Ultimately chose P16 cos its freehold and becos of its ultra cool exterior design. I decided against Citylights as it is too family-oriented (i.e will have too many kids running around and making lots of noises). I prefer peace and quiet...

for own stay...i'm sure P16 is a good buy Shinjan...

Yo Bro

This is interesting... we have so much in common! I did not like the 2 establishments for exactly the same reasons!

We actually liked the design and layout of Citylights, with the 'planter/balcony' linking living and bedroom. Unfortunately it was not freehold and far too many units.

We also visited CitySquare. Parked car, walked into showroom, walked out within 5-10 mins. When you have to dodge 29 running and screaming kids from reception counter to showroom, it is not a good sign. :sleepy:

Look forward to getting to know you (and your family) better. :)

Actually, I visited the showroom for Parc Emily before i purchase P16 too. I agree that the location for Parc Emily is great and exclusive, but what i dun like is the crowd of foreign workers at night during the weekends (no offence to anyone).

For me, it is a struggle between Citylights & Pinnacle 16. Ultimately chose P16 cos its freehold and becos of its ultra cool exterior design. I decided against Citylights as it is too family-oriented (i.e will have too many kids running around and making lots of noises). I prefer peace and quiet...

Yo Bro

This is interesting... we have so much in common! I did not like the 2 establishments for exactly the same reasons!

We actually liked the design and layout of Citylights, with the 'planter/balcony' linking living and bedroom. Unfortunately it was not freehold and far too many units.

We also visited CitySquare. Parked car, walked into showroom, walked out within 5-10 mins. When you have to dodge 29 running and screaming kids from reception counter to showroom, it is not a good sign. :sleepy:

Look forward to getting to know you (and your family) better. :)

We also walked out within 10 mins... dun like the salesperson attitude there too... guess citysquare property is hot..that's why they keep wanting us to make a quick decision...like buying groceries in wet mkt like that...

in fact i think the salesman attitude and showroom conditions are equally impt while shopping for a property... and in this case i think P16 has done a gd job!!

It gave me an exclusive and wow factor unlike other boutique developements (Clydes Residence, D'Lotus etc) which all look cheapo in their showroom construction...

dunno whether you guys still rem abt the P16 logo at the gate entrance, the long walking path covered with wooden strips, the beautiful landscaping with a koi pond litter with bamboo trees around... all this really makes me feel welcome and at home...

P.S. dtyn1, how you know there are 29 kids running ard the citysquare showroom?? :bash: you mean you really count har... :weirdo: :)

P.S. dtyn1, how you know there are 29 kids running ard the citysquare showroom?? :bash: you mean you really count har... :weirdo: :)

Thanks to Shinjan for pointing out my error. It should be 92. I thought I entered to Toy's 'r' Us store by mistake.

Thanks to Shinjan for pointing out my error. It should be 92. I thought I entered to Toy's 'r' Us store by mistake.

Yah... when i was at the Citysquare showroom, they were giving out free balloons for the kids... so you can imagine the how noisy it was.. :)

i'm sure Pinnacle 16 is better in terms of location compared to the ANsley location

Though both developments are very near each other, The Ansley is officially zoned under district 11, whereas Pinnacles 16 is zoned as district 12...

Though both developments are very near each other, The Ansley is officially zoned under district 11, whereas Pinnacles 16 is zoned as district 12...

well, Ansley is quite a distant walk to Novena Mrt.

Yes the two project does seem like a paradox to each other...P16 is like it's in Novena area when it's actually D12 but real close to Novena Mrt, and Ansley further away fr the MRT but D11.

But given a choice, i wld still prefer P16 for own occupancy becoz it does have a better location.

tkw, which is ur prefered?

Sometimes the zoning of so-called prestigious districts 9, 10, 11 matters very little. Parc Emily is district 9 but so what? It is more Kampong Java than Orchard!

Similarly, Holland and Mount Sinai are district 10, but those two places are very very much further from the CBD than Whampoa, Kallang, and the lower part of Serangoon, all of which are not considered prestigious districts by any means.

Districts 10 and 11 are both large and long districts stretching from the central region all the way to the west. So the far-western locations in districts 10 and 11 are actually much closer to Clementi, Dover, and Upper Bukit Timah than the CBD.

Newton area, which is district 11, represents the best value for money. It is technically zoned district 11, very very near Orchard, with condo prices almost half of those in the Cairnhill area (district 9) and 3/4 of those in the Balmoral area (district 10) which are just across the Bukit Timah and Dunearn roads. Newton prices are also about 1/4 higher than district 10 properties in the Holland, the Jervois end of River Valley, and Mt Sinai.

This is also because of the irregular postal district zoning in the area - Newton is located at the little area in the far-southeast region of district 11, on the border of district 11 and 9/10. Newton Circus is often taken as the point where the prime districts 9, 10, and 11 meet.

In my view, when you're purchasing a property you must ask yourself why you are buying in that particular district, and also at that particular price. For example, Parc Emily is district 9, and many people claim that they're paying a premium for location. But if the issue is really location, then Parc Emily despite being district 9, will surely fail the test! Would you buy a property that's practically next to Little India at that price?

Similar situation will apply to properties in the far western end of district 10 like Mt Sinai. Yes - Marbella, Montview, are District 10... exclusive district right? Wrong, that part of district 10 is a far cry from the Ardmore, Claymore, and Nassim district 10, with a large difference in price. That Mt Sinai part of district 10 is more like Clementi, but developers try to justify the price premium of the condos there just because it is technically still located in district 10. It is all bullshit.

sorry for the rambling post, my point was that you have to differentiate between buying the LOCATION as opposed to buying the POSTAL CODE.

If the issue was truly location, between district 12 Pinnacle16 and district 11 The Ansley, I would take Pinnacle16.

well, Ansley is quite a distant walk to Novena Mrt.

Yes the two project does seem like a paradox to each other...P16 is like it's in Novena area when it's actually D12 but real close to Novena Mrt, and Ansley further away fr the MRT but D11.

But given a choice, i wld still prefer P16 for own occupancy becoz it does have a better location.

tkw, which is ur prefered?

Well, both developements are indeed very fine for me. I think both Pinnacle 16 & The Ansley look very modern in their own right. Pinnacle 16 with a slim profile and full glass facade, while The Ansley with unique V-shaped architecture and exposed spiral staircases. The erection of Pinnacle 16 will undoubtedly adds to the upmarket feel of that area. But because I play tennis, I will need to have a tennis court in a development. Anyway, I have been living in The Ansley since it's TOP (1.5 yrs ago.) It's not that far away from the Novena MRT coz there's a short cut along Akyab Road. Only about 8 to 9 mins walk. I enjoy every minute of my stay here coz despite being pretty exclusive & having only 100 units, it has full condo facilities meant for those big developments, such as tennis court, steam bath, small basketball court & putting green. I can practically use these facilities without having to squeeze with others.

As for the location, It's ultra convenient. I love it. Shopping malls, cinemas, eateries, MRT, town are all just a stone away, yet the location itself is very tranquil and peaceful, away from the hustle and bustle. I think Pinnacle 16 shares the same convenience & location characteristics too. I am sure those who shift there soon will definitely enjoy living around Novena. :)

In fact, I am so happy living near Novena that in a few year's time, I will be moving to another place that's just practically 2 streets away... either Park Infinia or Iridium... most probably Park Infinia.

sorry for the rambling post, my point was that you have to differentiate between buying the LOCATION as opposed to buying the POSTAL CODE.

I think we all got your point, now. Move on.

@tkw,
indeed, getting a pl is abt budget, personal preference on location and needs for facilities. Sometimes we just fall in love with a particular building...area, and love sometimes can be blind ;)

ansley is tall, elegant in white, like the design..it actually looks better up close, but Iridium...the design...it's a killer!!! Being lauch at this time, i think it's going to be quite a premium from the av. D11 pricing.

at the end of the day...it's abt squeezing the max out of the budget in terms of everything good...we know it's not always gonna happen :)

I think we all got your point, now. Move on.

eh? I wasn't talking to you.

This a public forum. I suppose you'd better express that kind of opinion via PM if you were speaking to someone in particular...

What is "that kind of opinion" that you're referring to? Is there any reason why I should "express that kind of opinion via PM"?

My opinion was not vulgar in nature, nor was it calculated to degrade nor to put anyone in disrepute.

My opinion was a frank and honest assessment of a certain property in a certain housing district, which I think is perfectly acceptable in a forum like SkyscraperCity.com.

You are right - this is a public forum. Because it is public, everyone here has the right to post his / her opinions. Anyone else has the right to disagree with and to refute those opinions and post his / her disagreements with those opinions. The last I checked, my opinions do not go against the sedition law of Singapore, nor do they infringe upon the rules and regulations of this board.

If you disagree with an opinion that I have expressed, then please state your specific reasons for disagreement. Please keep it to the point of the thread. What you're now doing is clearly not.


Board Moderator: please feel free to delete this post as it is out of context with the rest of the thread. If you do, please do so together with the three previous posts that led up to this one.

from dictionary.com:

fo·rum Audio pronunciation of "forum" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôrm, fr-)
n. pl. fo·rums, also fo·ra (fôr, fr)

1.
1. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
2. A public meeting place for open discussion.
3. A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
2. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal.


Question: What kind of forum is it that people do not express their opinions for open discussion, and limit their interaction to congratulatory back-slapping, back-scratching, a**-kissing, etc.?

Answer: It is called an authoritarian dictatorship.

Answer: It is called an authoritarian dictatorship.

LOL, that was an easy earned Godwin point...

That's not true.

I do not believe that the nature of mankind is inherently good, and I do believe that certain law, rules, and regulations must be clearly laid out to keep civil disobedience at bay.

However, with the laying down of the law also comes the freedom to explore within the boundaries of that law, however draconian or inflexible those laws are.

Authoritarianism and totalitarianism only come about when the makers and executioners of these laws arbitrarily bend and shape existing laws to their own agendas and purposes, if and when it suits them to do so.

Back to my point: I clearly have not overstepped my boundaries, and you certainly have no right to tell me what and what not to say.

Hi Guys,

Please allow me 2 cents worth of opinion.

I personally thought the 'rambling' explanation on zoning and postal codes was quite informative. As a newbie and clueless about such things, I now understand the various zones that confuse everyone, including estate agents.

I also used to wonder why areas almost in Clementi are classified together with Tanglin/Orchard! Now it makes sense to me.

Perhaps the information is 'no big deal' to some of you here who are more 'estate-savvy', and his style is a bit 'lor-soh' at times. But for me, the contents were enlightening.

:hilarious

Hi Guys,

Please allow me 2 cents worth of opinion.

I personally thought the 'rambling' explanation on zoning and postal codes was quite informative. As a newbie and clueless about such things, I now understand the various zones that confuse everyone, including estate agents.

I also used to wonder why areas almost in Clementi are classified together with Tanglin/Orchard! Now it makes sense to me.

Perhaps the information is 'no big deal' to some of you here who are more 'estate-savvy', and his style is a bit 'lor-soh' at times. But for me, the contents were enlightening.

A few weeks after I bought P16, I came to know that it was actually zoned in District 12 instead of the more "prestigious" District 11. I have to admit that I was initially quite disturbed by this. But after a while I realised that it does not really matter, and as what jchua76 has mentioned, it is the location of the property that is impt, not the district.

For example. the Medge is in D11 and Pinnacle 16 is in D12. But in terms of location, I think Medge is more Balestier than Novena and it is certainly not as convenient given its distance from the MRT.

I think not post any photos this week as I think it is more or less the same as my previous posting. I think I have been going there too often liao... cannot really see much difference in 1 week. :nuts: But I am sure all those who have bought properties can understand how eager I am to see the building completed. :cheer:

Anyway, now I carry a proper digital camera with me all the time :weirdo: , so that I can just pop by whenever I am free to take a pic or two. Hopefully will be able to post some better quality progress photos :soon: .

Hi all,

For all those who are still interested to know about the construction progress of Pinnacle 16, here is an update:

1) Structure currently at 13th storey. Seems to have slowed down these couple of weeks. Hopefully they will expedite soon.

2) Construction of curtain wall in progress.

3) Brickwall & plastering currently at 9th storey.

4) Aluminium lourvers completed for some toilets

And as promised, here are some better quality pics:

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/8295/hpim03401ds.jpg

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/7715/hpim03532dp.jpg

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/2550/hpim03582lw.jpg

The policemen at the Police HQ were staring at me whole time while I was taking the pics (maybe they thought I am some terrorist :gunz: trying to take photos of the Police HQ). I even got questioned by the project manager of Pinnacle 16 for taking the pics. :sly: :laugh:

Hi Shinjan

Wow nice pics. Didn't tell me you were going down??

Better be careful not to arouse too much interest from MOHA. Nowadays put up cute white-colour animal cardboard posters also kena investigation.

What was the conversation between you and the project manager?

Hi Shinjan

Wow nice pics. Didn't tell me you were going down??

Better be careful not to arouse too much interest from MOHA. Nowadays put up cute white-colour animal cardboard posters also kena investigation.

What was the conversation between you and the project manager?


I just happen to drive past that day, so just drop by to take a few quick shots.

The PM just wants to know why I am taking pictures of his site. Probably he is afraid that I am some safety inspector from MOM.

I just happen to drive past that day, so just drop by to take a few quick shots.

The PM just wants to know why I am taking pictures of his site. Probably he is afraid that I am some safety inspector from MOM.

Haha you better be more discreet. You might 'scare' them too much until they slow down the work just to be more safety conscious!

Hey wait a min... maybe that's why progress seemed slower ever since you started taking photos.... :bash:

Hi Guys

Just heard the news that Renci is going to have a new building at Irrawaddy Road (existing premise is on Jalan Tan Tock Seng).

Anyone knows the exact site of the new building? Next to MOHA twin towers? Hope it's not too high to block the view! :eek2:

what do you think is going to happen to the old site on top of the hill?

Also, there used to be the market along Balestier Rd near the junction of Shan Rd, but its been boarded up for a year now...any idea about its fate?

Anyone knows the exact site of the new building? Next to MOHA twin towers? Hope it's not too high to block the view! :eek2:

In Singapore, even you buy a flat with a direct view on the coast, it might get blocked some day ^ ^ Think of Beach Road ^ ^

dtyn1

Renci's new hospital is 14 storey. ;)

dtyn1

Renci's new hospital is 14 storey. ;)

Thank you for the info. I drive past today and saw the actual site. It should be ok, not much higher than TTSH.

Soilbuild Signs an Option to Buy Bright Apartments.
Latest collective purchase is the Group’s second this year

12 October 2005, Singapore – Soilbuild Group Holdings Ltd (Soilbuild) is pleased to announce that it has signed an option to purchase Bright Apartments (at 51 to 57D Irrawaddy Road, Singapore 329551) yesterday. This is the Group’s second collective purchase this year, following its acquisition of a freehold site at One Tree Hill, off Grange Road, for S$38.2 million in January 2005.

Soilbuild signed the option to purchase the 1,818 sq m freehold property with a 2.8 plot ratio at S$16.2 million through a private treaty. The land cost works out to be about $296 psf per plot ratio. Assuming that the average size per unit is 1,200 sq ft, the site can be developed into 40 to 50 residential units.

There are a total of 20 owners at the 3-storey single block of apartments. The purchase is conditional upon obtaining the necessary consent from the owners. In the event that consent from all the owners is obtained, the transaction will be completed by the 1st half of 2006.

The purchase will be funded from the Group’s internal funds and bank borrowings. The transaction is not expected to have any significant impact on the financials for Financial Year 2005.

Said Mr Low Soon Sim, Soilbuild’s Executive Director, "The site is located a stone’s throw away from our current development - Pinnacle 16 - which has been fully sold. Having successfully developed and sold Mandale Heights as well, we are confident that the new project will be well received. We believe that the demand for quality residential units in the area will continue to grow as it is a central location, close to amenities and the Novena MRT station. The acquisition also allows us to continue focusing on developing niche, medium-sized development projects with innovative designs and efficient layouts.”

With the purchase of Bright Apartments, Soilbuild will have 5 residential property projects in the pipeline. From 1999 to 2004, Soilbuild has undertaken 7 development projects and since 1998, Soilbuild has sold more than 300 residential units. Among the residential property projects which Soilbuild has successfully completed are Villa Martia, Mutiara Crest, Fernhill Cottage, Mandale Heights and Mill Point. It has also launched Grosvenor View, Pinnacle 16 and Cliften, and will be launching One Tree Hill after the expected completion of the purchase later this year.


Hi guys,

Saw the above article in SB Development's website today. I think another project similar to P16 is coming soon! Bright Apartments is just one block away from P16.

[QUOTE=dtyn1]
There's also a very old grey building near the showroom that may be torn down soon.
[QUOTE]

Yeahhh i guess right! :)

16 October 2005

seen in its natural habitat

http://tinypic.com/es2q77.jpg

is that a point block next to Pinnacle 16? I thought there're only condos in that area.

is that a point block next to Pinnacle 16? I thought there're only condos in that area.

Looks strange to me too.... looks like some photoshop work here.... but a nice pic nonetheless... where did you shoot it from, Rcity?

thanks :)

its the way it looks, that HDB point block is actually across the road at Balestier (near Jalan Dusun?), so it looks much nearer than it really is.

This is the view zoomed in from the 30-storey HDB blocks at Farrer Park.

Nice pic you have there! But Pinnacle 16 looks rather short at this angle. You must be using some really powerful zoom lens to shoot from Farrer Park!

There are a couple of old HDB point blocks along Moulmein Rd, opposite CDC. Maybe can take some shots from there? Should be good.

There are a couple of old HDB point blocks along Moulmein Rd, opposite CDC. Maybe can take some shots from there? Should be good.

I think its best to get someone to sneak in the police HQ to take a few shots from there... Confirm good!! :bash:

I think its best to get someone to sneak in the police HQ to take a few shots from there... Confirm good!! :bash:

No need to sneak in. We appoint Shinjan to walk to the gate and say: 'I want to take a few photos from the Minister's office on the top floor, can or not?' :)

Thanks Shinjan, was using a Nikon Coolpix 4800 (8.3x zoom)

There are a couple of old HDB point blocks along Moulmein Rd, opposite CDC. Maybe can take some shots from there? Should be good.

yup that view should be good....here is a panorama of Moulmein area, you can just make out the crane of Pinnacle16....as it grows taller, it should be more visible from more angles :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/moulmein.jpg

Where is the show flat? Is it still standing ?
There is serious construction at the site. I realized it stands at the road corner, and Irrawady road points straight at it- anti fengshui principle!

Where is the show flat? Is it still standing ?
There is serious construction at the site. I realized it stands at the road corner, and Irrawady road points straight at it- anti fengshui principle!

Hi Asciano

Welcome to this thread! :) The showflat was along Shan Rd, torn down a few months ago after all units were sold.

Interesting point you brought up there, I am also quite curious about fengshui.

May I know how does Irrawaddy Road 'point straight at it'? I consulted various maps but Irrawaddy Road seems to 'run alongside' Pinnacle 16; linking from from Novena Sq to Balestier Rd, rather than at it? I am concerned, did a fengshui master tell you that or you are one yourself?

Hi Asciano

Welcome to this thread! :) The showflat was along Shan Rd, torn down a few months ago after all units were sold.

Interesting point you brought up there, I am also quite curious about fengshui.

May I know how does Irrawaddy Road 'point straight at it'? I consulted various maps but Irrawaddy Road seems to 'run alongside' Pinnacle 16; linking from from Novena Sq to Balestier Rd, rather than at it? I am concerned, did a fengshui master tell you that or you are one yourself?

Speaking about feng shui, the Pinnacle 16 brochure actually has a small section in which a feng shui master commented on the fengshui of the building. I cannot recall what was said... will try to find the brochure and post here.

Irrawaday Rd doesnt point straight at it though, so I guess the concept of siting a building on a T-juntion = bad fengshui doesnt apply here

the concept of siting a building on a T-juntion = bad fengshui

Good point Rcity, HAHA if that concept were true, then 9 out of 10 buildings in Singapore will be bad fengshui :weirdo:

Fengshui has more to do than just pointing roads/junctions. The surrounding environment, facing of main entrance, residents' 8-characters, etc. must be taken into account. In fact, as P16 is next to MOHA/Police, the 'yang' qi or element is very strong, that is also an important factor. TTSH / RenCi proximity is another concern too.

Disclaimer: I am not a fengshui expert. This is common knowledge easily found from fengshui books.

Neither am I an expert on fengshui...what I know is based on reading and hearsay:

According to one forumer, The Concourse at Beach Rd suffers from the T-junction bad fengshui though...and because its exactly at the T-junction!

anyway I read that Pinnacle16's completion coincides with the start of an auspicious cycle...so thats good...and thats what the developer said :D

Neither am I an expert on fengshui...what I know is based on reading and hearsay:

According to one forumer, The Concourse at Beach Rd suffers from the T-junction bad fengshui though...and because its exactly at the T-junction!

anyway I read that Pinnacle16's completion coincides with the start of an auspicious cycle...so thats good...and thats what the developer said :D

This following comments from Fengshui consultant Jerry Chua is extracted from the Pinnacle 16 brochure:

“The completion of Pinnacle 16 coincides with the dawn of Period Eight, the start of another 20-year cycle in the Chinese Trigram, or I-Ching. This is a new era of positive Earth energy, an auspicious time bringing renewed vigour and strength, and is a period ideally suited for embarking on new beginnings, whether on a business or personal level.

Projects completed during this positive I-Ching phase will enjoy the new energies drawn from the Earth, especially benefiting young people about to embark on their journey of life. This could mark the beginning of a new career, launch of a new business enterprise, building a new family, or a commitment to a new home. The excellent Fengshui energy that will harmonize with these life phases allows firm foundations to be built and nurtured. And new homes completed during Period Eight will further draw on its positive strengths, setting the aura in which new lives can prosper and thrive”.

Hi Guys,

Progress is now up from 3 floors per month to 4 floors per month. At this rate, the structure should be completely up around Christmas! Work currently on at 16th floor. Here are some shots I took on 27 Oct 2005:

View from 'hilltop' near Ren Ci:
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/1292/20051027a6jt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Closer shot:
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9683/20051027c0dc.jpg

Pool, Jacuzzi, BBQ areas are well-defined:
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/2756/20051027e8sk.jpg

Progress of interior wall finishings:
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7651/20051028h0eb.jpg

View from covered walkway along Irrawaddy Road:
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3113/20051028i2rs.jpg

nice pics...i can see it from along Thomson Rd too (the Novena church) :)

nice pics...i can see it from along Thomson Rd too (the Novena church) :)

Thanks RC. You are right, Irrawaddy Rd/Sinaran Drive has also been 'reopened' too, and now rejoins Novena Terrace to Thomson Rd. Novena Sq 2 and Medical Centre construction will now be closely watched.... :)

Nice update :-)
Usually, work on the last few floors is slower though... No need to rush to complete them as the interior finishings are catching up ;-)

Nice update :-)
Usually, work on the last few floors is slower though... No need to rush to complete them as the interior finishings are catching up ;-)

Thanks. I am surprised that the pics turned out well as it was getting dark in the evening. Hopefully can TOP by 2Q 2006! :)

Hi all!

After a break of more than a month, its time for another update on the construction of Pinnacle 16!!

The scaffolding covering the building has been partially removed to reveal the glass facade within. Impressive!!

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3213/p160111fi.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4171/p160244ap.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8391/p160326fy.jpg


Work on the external fences and guardroom has also started!!

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8272/p160057fi.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5930/p160187gh.jpg

It's looking good !

Hi Guys

Nice pics, Shinjan. Hahaha...you beat me to it. I was thinking of taking and posting sometime this week. Been quite busy over the past month with my new sales team.

The facade is amazingly modern and beautiful, much much better than what was shown in the brochure. Hopefully the carpark driveway is not too narrow, gotta check that out on my next site visit.

From the progress of things, looks like TOP in 2Q 2006 is a real possibility.

Hi Guys

From your photos, I also noticed that there are 2 sets of casement windows in the living/dining room instead of 1. Please refer to your sales brochure or this extract below from SB corporate website.

I am pleased with the additional windows... but I wonder why...
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/60/fppin1bed3yw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think you see wrongly... the pictures in the brochure also indicate 2 sets of windows in the living room... just that from the brochure, it shows a full length glass window for the masterbedroom.. however, the actual one actually split up the window in 2 parts.. Furthermore, there are no glass panel covers underneath the bay window but the brochure did indicate one...

so can anyone explain wat will happen if the actual building design is different from the one presented in the brochure?? can we seek clarification from the developer??

Hi Shinjan

You are right. The architectural floor plan (see below) shows 2 SETS of windows! 1 set next to the bedroom and another set 'under' the external 'rails'.

But the floor plan in the sales brochure shows only 1 SET (as per my previous post).

Interesting that there is such a significant difference.....
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1011/bigfloorplan25jd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hi Guys

Passed by today and walked around the compound. Shinjan has taken such good pics that I have no need to take any.

Instead I took a few 'odd' ones:

A glimpse of the old entrance of 'Shan Mansions' along Irrawaddy Road:
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9398/dscn01960ub.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

View of the centre 'spine' from the rubbish dump of MOHA (hope their security cam didn't film me):
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8640/dscn01980ee.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

its progressing very fast!

Most probably the one in the brochure kena erase off when send for printing... :)

Hi Shinjan

You are right. The architectural floor plan (see below) shows 2 SETS of windows! 1 set next to the bedroom and another set 'under' the external 'rails'.

But the floor plan in the sales brochure shows only 1 SET (as per my previous post).

Interesting that there is such a significant difference.....
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1011/bigfloorplan25jd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

most probably the drawing in the brochure kena erase off when sent for printing... :)

Hi Shinjan

You are right. The architectural floor plan (see below) shows 2 SETS of windows! 1 set next to the bedroom and another set 'under' the external 'rails'.

But the floor plan in the sales brochure shows only 1 SET (as per my previous post).

Interesting that there is such a significant difference.....
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1011/bigfloorplan25jd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here are some pics of the pool and water feature:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5199/hpim05110ha.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5289/hpim05037bk.jpg

Hi Shinjan

Whoa.... how did you take those pics??? Did you sneak up the unfinished building?! :baeh3:

Hi Shinjan

Whoa.... how did you take those pics??? Did you sneak up the unfinished building?! :baeh3:


Haha... I sneaked into the adjacent Shan Court to take those pics. :bash:

Very clever indeed..... I wonder where you will take from next? Police HQ? TTSH? Novena Sq office tower? :)

Haha... I sneaked into the adjacent Shan Court to take those pics. :bash:

Hi. I just chanced upon this thread when I was googling for "Pinnacle 16". I too have bought a unit there and am quite thrilled by it's approaching TOP.

Could I please ask how to get hold of the architectual plans (I believe I saw somebody post part of it on one of the entries). All I have are pictures in the brochures and the website.

Hi Malau

Welcome to the forum!!! You, me and Shinjan are future neighbours. :)

I got my architectural plans from the property agent. You should make them work harder for your money! :bash:

Do you visit the site regularly? If you do let us know. We can get together for a kopi. Send me your contact via private message/email.

Happy Lunar New Year to you and everyone else reading!



Hi. I just chanced upon this thread when I was googling for "Pinnacle 16". I too have bought a unit there and am quite thrilled by it's approaching TOP.

Could I please ask how to get hold of the architectual plans (I believe I saw somebody post part of it on one of the entries). All I have are pictures in the brochures and the website.

Hi Malau

Welcome to the forum!!! You, me and Shinjan are future neighbours. :)



I bought my unit so long ago, I don't remember who my agent was. Need to go dig up the old files and all. Did you guys get the 1 or 2 bedroom units? I wanted a 1 bedroom but my family vetoed it :( so I got the 2 bedder instead. I think the hall/dining layout of the 2 bedder is not as nice as the 1 bedder, they are probably about the same size but the dining area is right smack in front of you when you open the door instead of having a clear path through to the bedrooms like in the 1 bedder.

Need to start looking for furniture etc soon.

Hi Malau

Both Shinjan and I got the 1 bedroom units.

You can try to request the architectural plan from the developer (through SB website) if agent is not available.

Otherwise if you are on the same level as me, I can email to you as I have the plan for the entire floor. PM me which level you are on.

Cheers!


I bought my unit so long ago, I don't remember who my agent was. Need to go dig up the old files and all. Did you guys get the 1 or 2 bedroom units? I wanted a 1 bedroom but my family vetoed it :( so I got the 2 bedder instead. I think the hall/dining layout of the 2 bedder is not as nice as the 1 bedder, they are probably about the same size but the dining area is right smack in front of you when you open the door instead of having a clear path through to the bedrooms like in the 1 bedder.

Need to start looking for furniture etc soon.

30 January 2006

The structure has completed very fast. View from Balestier Rd.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2716/pinn30013zz.jpg

Hi RCity

Nice photo, isn't she a beauty? :nuts: Did you take any others?

Last week I tried to take from the HDB point blocks at Dusun Rd (off Balestier Rd) but could not as the view from the stairwell was narrow and blocked. :gaah:

Looks like TOP in April is highly likely as I previously predicted (2Q 2006)..... :cheers:

I've seen it too today... Very good looking ;-)

Now that the building is near TOP, I realized that it took ONLY a year to complete! :eek2:
See this photo taken by Pengui in JAN 2005
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8926/20050128b0xf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
And this one taken by RCity in JUNE 2005 ...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3443/20050623a2cw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dear Future Neighbours of P16,

Thank you for all your private messages.

To celebrate the impending TOP of P16 and start a 'Know Thy Future Neighbour' session, I humbly propose a KOPI@NOVENA SQ gathering sometime in Feb/Mar 2006.

If you would like to join in, please PM me the following:
Nick/Real Name
Unit No at P16
Email & HP
Available/Unavailable dates in Feb/Mar
Preferred meeting day/time (eg: weekday evening, Sat or Sun)

Those of you who have already given me some info previously, please give me the missing ones (eg: HP, meeting days). And I know there are more of you future P16 neighbours watching this thread passively (hehehe).... you are most welcome too.....just PM me the above info.

I will consolidate and select the meeting day/time/place. Watch this space closely!

Daniel

nice to know there's a Pinnacle 16 community here. Do remember to share pictures of your view here :)

27 Jan 2006
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4145/dsc99586kf.jpg

Hi RCity

Nice photo, isn't she a beauty? :nuts: Did you take any others?

Last week I tried to take from the HDB point blocks at Dusun Rd (off Balestier Rd) but could not as the view from the stairwell was narrow and blocked. :gaah:

Looks like TOP in April is highly likely as I previously predicted (2Q 2006)..... :cheers:

Thanks! I only took 1 pic. I just realised that in that pic the building seems to copy the colour-scheme of its neighbour! :eek: But it doesnt look as metallic as the rendering.

anyway you can get some pretty good views of the building from the 30/40 storey flats in Toa Payoh or from Farrer Park 30-storey flats, and zoom in. :)

Here are more pics of P16 taken during the CNY holidays!

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/3098/hpim05784cp.jpg

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/6884/hpim05508ma.jpg

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/1830/hpim05467ed.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1985/hpim05534ud.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5/hpim05591wb.jpg

Hi Everyone

FINALLY, the long awaited moment is here. All 'nets' have been torn off and P16 facade has been fully revealed.

VIEW FROM SHAN ROAD:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/300/dscn02271bg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VIEW FROM RENCI (oops took my car accidentally!)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5749/dscn02283ly.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

CLOSE UP VIEW OF FACADE, GYM/GARDEN ON 14TH FLOOR ('gap' on right of tower above tree) AND MY UNIT!!! :okay:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5016/dscn02294ta.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

looks really elegant!

the green colour seem to go well with its surroundings

Yes you are right. I was afraid it would look really 'cold' and 'metallic' from the brochures........ but I am glad I am proven wrong.

If you look closely at the RIGHT of the last pic.... can just about see the staircase of the penthouse!

looks really elegant!

the green colour seem to go well with its surroundings

Hi Daniel,

nice updates!

you can spot Pinnacle 16 in this picture which gives you an approximate idea of your view. :)

4 Feb 2006

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3885/novenakitchen5wb.jpg

A little closer...
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5492/dscn26985ig.jpg

Hi Hyacinthus

Nice shots...... I guess you took them from ... Kerrisdale?

Sigh... looking from afar, P16 would be perfect if it were taller.... say as high as the Phoenix towers or The Ansley. The view would be even better.

TOP looks almost certain in Apr-May. Will post some pics from my unit! :hi:

Hi Everyone

Drove past today on the way to Orchard Rd to see some furnishings. The tower crane has been dismantled. :cucumber:

Unfortunately I did not take any photos as I was in a hurry. Will post soon... or does anyone have latest photos?

11 Feb 2006

Just happened I was back there today. :)
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6196/dscn29691xv.jpg

Hyacinthus... I think that's a zoooooooomed pic from your unit in Kerrisdale..... :baeh3:

That's using only Coopix S4 at 10x optical and 4x digital.

Imagine if I had used my DSLR with a Sigma 50-500mm telephoto lens. The magnitude of zoom and clarity :eek:

http://www.lonestardigital.com/D_1/Sample_Pix/D1-Sigma(500mm).jpg

Well.. I don't have that lens and don't think I want to buy that. ;)

50-500 ??? Can that actually give some pics without too much deformation on both ends of the zoom range ? I always thought that for such kinds of zoom levels, it was better to get a fixed length lense.

HI People..

I am your new neighbour...great to see people are excited about this development like i do...

Cheers :cheers1: & Take care...

Hi Triowrks

Welcome to the forum and unofficial P16 Future Neighbours' Club! :grouphug:

We are trying to organize an informal kopi session in March. If you would like to join in, please PM me the following:
Nick/Real Name
Unit No at P16
Email & HP
Available/Unavailable dates in Feb/Mar
Preferred meeting day/time (eg: weekday evening, Sat or Sun)

Hope to hear from you soon!


HI People..

I am your new neighbour...great to see people are excited about this development like i do...

Cheers :cheers1: & Take care...

HI Dtyn,

Yeh i have know from the previous msg but I am currently still ourstation in India till March..Not too sure when i will be back..but well hope you all have a great Kopi Session..

Site updates:
BTW, i have visited the site 4days back..its a sunday..the site mgr i have spoken mentioned they are going to submit for TOP by this month, so most likely BCA approval + other legal matters, we will get KEYS in APRIL. They are in the rush..for what reason I am not too sure..but for sure they are in RUSH(which is a good thingy though..cheers!!)
-Have you guys recvd any letter from your lawyer yet?

Dustbin is UP(besides the the main gate).

Plants/Trees are in position..but not in full lanscaped yet.

Constructing Entrance Runway.

Also, What is your @ for me to PM you...

Rgds

Hi triowrks

You can send a private message to me by clicking on 'dtyn' on the left of this message and select 'send a private message to dtyn'.

My humble guess why SB is rushing:
The developer is hurrying as this project is 100% sold, versus their other project Grosvenor View which is only around 50% sold (and supposed to TOP Dec 2005). The earlier they complete, the earlier they can collect $$$ from us/our bankers and redeploy workers to other sites.

TOP is targetted for late-March to early April. Get ready.

Was at P16 last weekend. Seems that they are clearing away all the rubbish now. Hopefully can get keys in March... cannot wait liao...

Saw many people gazing at the building while I was there... think they should be our future neighbours. :) Anyone of you there last weekend?

Dear Future Neighbours

I would like to propose that we meet for a kopi session @ Novena Square as follows:

SAT 11 Mar 2006, 4pm
Novena Square Delifrance - Meet, have coffee and chit chat. :cheers1:
5.30pm - If the weather permits, we can move to P16 for 'site inspection'


Those of you who have given me your contact will have received this invitation in your email.

If you are a future P16 occupier and wish to join in, but have not given me your details, please do so.
Click 'dtyn1' on the left of this message and select 'Send a Private Message to dtyn1' with the following:
Nick/Real Name
Unit No at P16
Email & HP

HI Shinjan,

Were u with someone...I saw two man around...so i presume might me you?? What have your bought?? or u preferred to PM me...pls do so then...

Dtyn,

Afraid can might it..will touch down on 11th itself..guess will skip this time round..hey why not post your discussion when you have done so...

Cheers people and have fun..

Hi Everyone

Now that P16 TOP is imminent, I managed to find some history related to the site.

Previous Building: Shan Mansions
Previous Address: 73 Irrawaddy Road
No. of Storeys: 13/14 (different reports)
No. of Units: 22
Type: 3-bedroom apartments of 154sqm and 168sqm (very BIG!) with split-level living/dining
Facilities: Playground, Open Carpark
Completed: Around 1994
Demolished: Around 2004
Height Restriction: 36 storeys (why is P16 only 21 storeys?!?! why? why?) :cry:

A photo of Shan Mansions can be seen at http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=189959
(I cannot post here due to copyright. This is a very good and informative site on buildings)

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/6916/swimmingpool14rq.jpg
Swimming-Pool


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2907/wadingpool5cv.jpg
Wading-Pool


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6021/skygarden3xc.jpg
Sky Garden


http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9546/kitchen7ei.jpg
Kitchen

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7176/washingmachine0ii.jpg
Washing-Machine


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9850/toilet3jj.jpg
Toilet

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/874/wardrobe1qh.jpg
Wardrobe

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4430/novenaview10jp.jpg
Novena View


http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/217/thomsonview3ak.jpg
Thomson View

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/194/tpyview6xk.jpg
Toa-Payoh View


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/41/skygarden27lh.jpg
Sky-Garden View

Thanks for sharing the pics here. If you've got your keys, congrats! View from the sky garden is good. :)

I think the Kerrisdale and Pinnacle 16 developers got the same model of washing machine / dryer from CASA Holding. Looks exactly the same! But, I must say your wardrobe and toilet door looks better. :)

Basement Carpark:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8393/05030618209sh.jpg

Sky Garden:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6249/05030617497kp.jpg

Gym at Sky Garden:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4928/05030617485rd.jpg

Planter in the toilet:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1360/05030617256pw.jpg

Shower head:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7883/05030617132uh.jpg

wow...very nice!

The skygarden looks cool....the modern design contrasts with that old block next door...and the view towards Novena Square is nice...at night is quite cool with the lights too :cool:

Once again, the amazing Shinjan doesn't disappoint. :applause:

Taking pics from Shan Court.... then taking interior pics before TOP :nono: .... what's next? View of penthouse from Minister's office next door? :doh:

yar... it takes quite an effort to climb up all the way to the 14th storey sky-garden without been caught by the security!! :runaway:

Great work........and best Previews...cheers :nocrook:

Whats next...pics of 2bedroomers..n Penthouses..ha

Dear Future Neighbours & Friends

The meetup this Sat (11 Mar) is ON. We welcome anyone who has purchased a P16 unit or any of the regular contributers to this thread to join us for kopi!

Meet 4pm at P16 site. If you would like to join in, please PM me with your contact details (esp. name & HP).

Look forward to meeting you!

hi there! im the proud owner of unit 16-01. good thing dtyn1 started this thread. or was it someone else?? anyway, it reali gets everyone excited. also good source of info and pix. talking abt tat, can someone send me the floor plan for my unit, pls??? jus pm me for email..thkx!!

Hi Sun3tan,

Welcome to the unofficial P16 Residents' Club! :grouphug:

This thread was not started by me, but I guess I have the highest number of postings here. Shinjan is the official P16 site photographer and 'sneaker'. :jk: while I am trying to consolidate everyone's contacts for future reference.

Speaking of which:
Malau & Emos - please PM me your contact number
Triowrks - please PM your name, unit no, email & contact number

I am considering a fingerprint/contact chip lock for my main door. If anyone is interested please let me know. Maybe we can arrange a group buy to bring down the price.

Look forward to meeting everyone ..... TOP is coming!!! Select your designers/contractors soon!


hi there! im the proud owner of unit 16-01. good thing dtyn1 started this thread. or was it someone else?? anyway, it reali gets everyone excited. also good source of info and pix. talking abt tat, can someone send me the floor plan for my unit, pls??? jus pm me for email..thkx!!

hi hi..really have to hand it to shinjan then..i was there a couple of times..wanna to sneak bt there were so many pairs of eyes looking at me(us) while we were circling around the builidg..

any news if the tops documents re indeed sent in for inspection already? any latest pics to share? :banana:

hope you guys had fun yesterday. sorry i couldn't make it (work work work). will see you guys around next time i guess.

Hi Guys

We had a good time chatting, getting to know each other, and doing 'site inspection'. Unfortunately we are not as good as Shinjan and didn't manage to go up the building. :runaway:

Everything has been completed, landscaping, carpark lot markings, etc. Finishing touches are being done on the entrance sign... should be really cool.... can someone snap a pic of it next week?

The site manager said authorities inspection is TOMORROW (monday) and if all goes well, TOP will be in 2 weeks.

Get ready... :cheers2:



hope you guys had fun yesterday. sorry i couldn't make it (work work work). will see you guys around next time i guess.

A preview of the view from of the studio units...

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9205/studio0023yy.jpg

Hi People.

Project Update:

Im back to SG finally..so drop a visit yesterday to site.
Happen that i have know a person who is from the Main con.hhhaa..so i went up to see my own unit and took some measurements..there are some defect for such..maybe in toilet..At least for mine i have seen..for sure i will put into defects form. So when you guys do collect your keys pls look properly. Fight for your rights..!! :righton:

The fridge- if you to remembered its included in our unit, but there will not be as they have tie-up with distributor, so you can upgrade by topping the amt to purchase a larger fridge. :applause:

The False ceiling was included for the walkway towards the room(for two rooms, not too sure if one beedroom applicable-Initially none) :applause:
But not the rooms...but L box ceiling is included.

Lastly, the Height of the ceiling is 3.1M!!!..which is good as most development is only 2.8M-Max :applause: :applause: :applause: :pepper:

Rooms size...Tooooooooo Small...kinda regret :doh: but other than that..its fine...

There are some BCA comments still about the building..but engineer says they are targeting TOP end march... :lock: ..Its not major but changes needed.

All these for your info. BTW, pls keep it within yourself about my visit if possible. I got it in by favor...

Cheers...and bye for now.. :goodbye:
Trio.

Hi Triowrks

Thank you for the update. Need to ask you to clarify a few points:

1. Defects - mind to tell everyone what defects you found so we can lookout for it?
2. Fridge - Don't quite get your sentence. I know there's supposed to be a fridge is provided for in our contract. So now there's no fridge provided? Or there is, but can top-up to get a bigger one?

Thanks!
dtyn

Hi People.

Project Update:

..there are some defect for such..maybe in toilet..At least for mine i have seen..

The fridge- if you to remembered its included in our unit, but there will not be as they have tie-up with distributor, so you can upgrade by topping the amt to purchase a larger fridge.

All these for your info. BTW, pls keep it within yourself about my visit if possible. I got it in by favor...

Cheers...and bye for now.. :goodbye:
Trio.

im actually thinkin of going up to my unit to take some measurements next mon or so too..so u mean, we cant go in ah??! :gaah:

Baiscally my side, is the crack of tiles in the common toilet. and some on basins..so far its in such conditions..Well as you can see..i had visited on "Preview" basis..hha. Anyway it will be done up again before TOP.

For fridge- Yes you will have the options to top up the difference to get a larger or different model.

Hope its helps.

So hows the first Kopi session on your side..any special discussion..ha

Cheers
Trio

Hi Sun3,

Apparently, If I am not wrong. The Units are locked. I "previewed" only when they opened for me. Otherwise you cant even go under the carpark. Its the inssurance issue.

Bare a little longer..Just another 2 weeks..Bet TOP around d corner.

Cheers

Hi Trio

Thanks for clarifying. I will stick to the original fridge if it is not too small.

Basically we were building neighbourly relations. Based on my list, we've got quite a number of PMEBs (Professionals, Managers, Executives & Businesspeople) in P16. Can you forward me your data such as Name, Unit No, Email and Tel?


For fridge- Yes you will have the options to top up the difference to get a larger or different model.

So hows the first Kopi session on your side..any special discussion..ha
Trio

For my unit, below are the defects that I found:-

1. The gaps in between the windows for the MBR are not properly seal up. Furthermore, they used a different color tone for 1 of the window panel! :gunz: Will sure ask them to change to the original green tinted one...

2. The toilet door cannot be lock.. in fact, this is a common design defect I noticed in every units that I went to inspect..(4 to be exact) :nuts:

3. Guys.. pls inspect carefully the aluminium frame for our full height windows in the living room.. I saw quite a few dents and BIG gaps in most of the units i inspected... (maybe due to rushing to complete??)

4. Generally, our marble flooring is beautifully tiled... the gaps are small and i dun see any ugly stains..

5. The accessories are generally nicely fitted except for some of the handles in the toilet which become loose after twisting a bit...

6. My unit used marble throughout for both living and MBR floors. However, I notice some units (studios one) have timber floors for their MBR..maybe they bought earlier so have the option to choose?? One of the units i saw even have their Bomb shelter floor in marble!!

7. My unit floor to ceiling height is only 2.85m.. how come Triowrks, you got 3.1m for yr unit?? :mad2:


In summary, I think there are few critical defects that you guys need to take note in especially for the window panels.. overall, I'm satisfied with the build quality and looking forward to move in very soon!! :okay:

Haha with this info all the forumers will be complaining :rant: about the same things.

SB will be very busy rectifying after TOP! :bash:

Power to the forum! :rock:

Hi All,

I would say its good to share..as collective submission for any complains will be more Effective..ha. Talk more and u will realised more fault actually...its never perfect...hahah. Keep fingers cross for less defects..

Shin-
Thanks for sharing..will take note of the panel stuff.
Floorings..I have Marbles for LivingRoom & (inclusive of Boom shelter) & Timber stripe for Rooms.

Ceiling was measured correctly to be 3.1M, my friend measured so. Btw, Mine is a 2roomer, not too sure if thats a diff.

Cheers
Trio

could it be one measured from floor to false ceiling while another measured from floor to concrete ceiling?

Take note of the defects and you have to be very very persistent with SB.
My experience in Mill Point was that they continually delay and hope that one day, when you are too tired to to and fro with them ... you will give up.

I have tenants waiting to move in ... thus I lost the battle and allow some of the defects to go un-rectified.

I didnt sign off the rectification list(s) (about 8 sheets in total), but they didnt seem to bother about it.

So ... hopefully they do a better job here in P16.

You all know any units left ? Dont mind being your neighbours ... haha!

Hi DKSG

Thank you for the timely advice. We will do well to take note of it. As I pass SB head office almost daily, will have no qualms to drop-by if necessary. :evil: to give their Chairman or CEO a piece of my mind. Did that once with Raffles Hospital...... problem solved in 5 minutes.

Having said that, I take no pleasure in such things and hope SB will take due diligence in rectifying.

P16 units have been sold out last year, but there is someone trying to sell a unit in the ST Classifieds. Look out for it.


Take note of the defects and you have to be very very persistent with SB.
My experience in Mill Point was that they continually delay and hope that one day, when you are too tired to to and fro with them ... you will give up.

I have tenants waiting to move in ... thus I lost the battle and allow some of the defects to go un-rectified.

I didnt sign off the rectification list(s) (about 8 sheets in total), but they didnt seem to bother about it.

So ... hopefully they do a better job here in P16.

You all know any units left ? Dont mind being your neighbours ... haha!

Hi dtyn1,

Too bad ... cant be your neighbour ...
Anyway ... think I had enough of SB ... once make enough from Mill Point ... will sell it .. haha ..

I am looking around the Newton area ... hope to settle down in the area ...

U know of anything coming up ? I have been to most of the investor preview in the area ... Park Infinia, Iridium, etc ... U know when will Miro be launching ?

Cheers!

Novena has been quite quiet for the past few months, except for 'CityEdge' at Moulmein Rise, and other commercial projects such as Square2. You can see the thread on this forum. Prices start from $800psf onwards. There's also another condo nearing TOP along Thomson Rd, opposite United Sq. Can't recall the name though.

Newton prices should now be $900 psf onwards.... prices for city and fringes have been going up, you should be able to get a fair price for your Millpoint soon.

I have not heard of 'Miro', where is it?

Hi dtyn1,

Too bad ... cant be your neighbour ...
Anyway ... think I had enough of SB ... once make enough from Mill Point ... will sell it .. haha ..

I am looking around the Newton area ... hope to settle down in the area ...

U know of anything coming up ? I have been to most of the investor preview in the area ... Park Infinia, Iridium, etc ... U know when will Miro be launching ?

Cheers!

Hi dtyn1,

Seen CityEdge in the preview ... the site is small ... and sandwiched.
The one opp United Sq TOP soon is Strata ... has nice duplex ... similar to ICON.

Newton prices has gone up significantly ... The last I got from Park Infinia ... is about $1,050 psf for a decent 2 bedroom. And they are edging the prices up by another say 3-5% in the near future ...

MIRO by Far East is next to Park Infinia next to The Linc (or maybe 1-2 developments away).

Cheers!

Had some time to kill yesterday and drove by the site. Not much activity going on but the security men said there's still some carpentry work to be done.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59//image000269el.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Security Intercom at Side Gate

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/9660/image000276ub.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Sub-station - This is on a slope, hence 1 side of the gap between the gate and ground is very BIG - RISKY!

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5562/image000288mj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The GAP is almost to my knee level..... easy for a man to squeeze under and into the premises!

Pardon the quality of images - taken with my PDA cam.

Hi Everyone

Had some time to kill before my appointment at Novena Sq and took a few shots of the Entrance Signage of P16.... looks cool... :cool:

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5110/image000408ld.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Close Up
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2310/image000410ai.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

What do you think?

Errmmmm... where has everyone gone? :uh:

So quiet all of a sudden.... this is not dtyn's thread leh.... all busy preparing for TOP? :soon:

Hi Guys,

Received a letter from a real estate agent saying that P16 has already TOP... Dunno whether true or not. Anyone received any notifications yet?

TOP for the development does not mean you'll collect the keys very soon.

your developer will inform your lawyer to pay stamp duties first. After 1 - 2 months, you should receive a letter to make an appointment to collect keys.

Hi Guys

The letter seems to contain pretty accurate info. I wonder where the agents got our data from? If they got it from developer, then it would be a breach of privacy??? :gunz:

Anyway I've checked with BCA website. The March 06 list of TOPs does NOT include P16. :no:

TOP for the development does not mean you'll collect the keys very soon.

your developer will inform your lawyer to pay stamp duties first. After 1 - 2 months, you should receive a letter to make an appointment to collect keys.


Does that mean even if P16 TOP in April, we may need to wait til June to get the keys? Oh... no... big trouble...... where am i going to store all my furniture??

looks like it.

First, you need to pay stamp duties.

Then, the developer needs to collect the rest of the money from your bank (left 15% I think) before you can collect your keys.

Pinnacle 16 is a smaller development, you might get your keys faster? not too sure.

Kerrisdale's TOP was end Oct 05. But, I paid my stamp duties in mid Nov 05 and could only collect my keys early Feb 06.

Hi Everyone

I had some time to kill (again-envy me! :tyty:) and was hanging around P16, speaking with the site people. Here are some updates:

1. BCA inspections were conducted in end-Mar and some rectifications required. Should be completed by now. Final inspections targetted in end-Apr and TOP in May.

2. The appliances contractor was putting in the FRIDGES last week! This seems to be contrary to what Triowrks mentioned previously? :dunno:

I would love to see pics of the views up there!

Do you know what is the brand of the fridge??

Hi Everyone

I had some time to kill (again-envy me! :tyty:) and was hanging around P16, speaking with the site people. Here are some updates:

1. BCA inspections were conducted in end-Mar and some rectifications required. Should be completed by now. Final inspections targetted in end-Apr and TOP in May.

2. The appliances contractor was putting in the FRIDGES last week! This seems to be contrary to what Triowrks mentioned previously? :dunno:

Sorry Bro, didn't ask.....


Do you know what is the brand of the fridge??

Shinja, Dan..

As far as the actual showroom shows, Fridge - White Electrolux. and Stove & Hob..Its Indesit. Not the main brand of Ariston. Hope they throw us the main brand?? ahahah

As for the Taps and showers..Some are from Grohe(germany) esp the Masterroom shower. some are from Local maker(shin Siang Jun) haa sorry if spelling is bad.

Hope this helps.
Cheers

Shinja, Dan..

As far as the actual showroom shows, Fridge - White Electrolux. and Stove & Hob..Its Indesit. Not the main brand of Ariston. Hope they throw us the main brand?? ahahah

As for the Taps and showers..Some are from Grohe(germany) esp the Masterroom shower. some are from Local maker(shin Siang Jun) haa sorry if spelling is bad.

Hope this helps.
Cheers

Stove - Ariston
Hob and Oven - Indesit
Washer and dryer - Elba
Shower head - Grohe Freehander
Kitchen tap - Grohe
Wash Basin and WC - Toto
All other sanitaryware - local brand
Aircon - Fujitsu
Security System - Fernax
Fridge - dunno

These are what i gathered during my previous trip into my unit....

Regarding TOP - dont trust those $#$@ agents ... they know nuts ... most of them are just trying to fish information from owners by throwing in a date ... and let owners come back and say they are wrong ... happened to me many times already ...

To find out the TOP date ... call the developer direct and ask for an indication ... they are usually forthcoming ... with an estimate ... Ask for exact details like ... when is the inspection ... how long the rectification will take ... etc ...

Any one got news on the TOP?? waited so long already...

It should be sometime this month (May). Very few workers on site doing minor touch up work. Their prayer altar in the carpark also removed.

If it is not this month, something is very wrong.

Any one got news on the TOP?? waited so long already...

TOP should be this month....
im getting really upset at the surrounding fence. looks flimsy and so unlike a condo.... :down:
i wan to :cry:

i thought so too... somemore the rivets used for the fencing are all rusty already!!

actually i dun mind the steel fencing if they can plant lots of trees to cover up the surrounding like 1 moulmein rise... now worse still... they are planting so little greens around the fence and some are even dead already (they actually have changed the dead plants near the entrance recently but i think those new ones are dying also... :mad2:

TOP should be this month....
im getting really upset at the surrounding fence. looks flimsy and so unlike a condo.... :down:
i wan to :cry:

I agree with Shinjan. I think the fence will look ok once the plants grow well and blend in. One Moulmein Rise has very beautiful flora, especially their bamboo trees.

but the problem is there are simply too few plants around!!! dunno why they did not plant palm trees... i thought i saw them in our P16 brochures?? actually i do pity those ground level units... they are so near to the road junction but yet there are no proper shielding like trees etc to block them from the public... i am sure those units will complaint to the developer once they realise the problems.. :bash:

I agree with Shinjan. I think the fence will look ok once the plants grow well and blend in. One Moulmein Rise has very beautiful flora, especially their bamboo trees.

*sigh ... this is why people say the reputation of the developer is very important ...
You only realise that when u collect a unit ...
I have a unit at Mill Point by SB also ... do you know that the defects lists(s) that was sent in ... even if they dont finish up the rectification, they can just keep quiet ...
For my case, I already got a rental so I didnt bother to follow up with them ... and didnt sign off the defects ... and they do not seem to bother at all ...

Other developers like CDL, CapLand, and even Wing Tai will chase you up to review the rectification works and sign off the defects so that they can close off the files ... for SB, they dont mind just close the defects file even if the owners didnt sign off ..

So ... when CDL charge a slight premium ... we know why ....

but the problem is there are simply too few plants around!!! dunno why they did not plant palm trees... i thought i saw them in our P16 brochures?? actually i do pity those ground level units... they are so near to the road junction but yet there are no proper shielding like trees etc to block them from the public... i am sure those units will complaint to the developer once they realise the problems.. :bash:


Good news! Was at P16 yesterday and saw that they have deliverered some more plants ready to be transplanted!!! Hopefully they will replace the dead plants at the entrance and the swimming pool soon...

They have also done some touch ups on the unsightly cracks on the external facade and now it seems pretty alright....

Now my only complain is the different color tone of my master bedroom glass panel.... hopefully they will replace it soon ...

I was told by the security guard that the plants are designated for the sky garden on 14th floor, not perimeter landscaping. Looks like TOP is very near else they wouldn't do that? Anyone has inside info?


Good news! Was at P16 yesterday and saw that they have deliverered some more plants ready to be transplanted!!! Hopefully they will replace the dead plants at the entrance and the swimming pool soon...

They have also done some touch ups on the unsightly cracks on the external facade and now it seems pretty alright....

Now my only complain is the different color tone of my master bedroom glass panel.... hopefully they will replace it soon ...

ehh... since when we promoted to 'completed projects'?? have not TOP yet! :gaah:

hmm... wonder what is taking them so long to TOP....

Saw some goodie bags line up in the gym with unit nos written on them... I suppose its their welcome package with all the instruction manuals and warranty cards inside...

waiting.... waiting.....

I'm not gonna get excited anymore. Too many false alarms. BCA inspections were in end-March... then repeat inspections end-April..... now it's June...

Anyone has such similar experience or know what is the possible reason(s) for BCA delay?

hmm... wonder what is taking them so long to TOP....

Saw some goodie bags line up in the gym with unit nos written on them... I suppose its their welcome package with all the instruction manuals and warranty cards inside...

waiting.... waiting.....

i think i know the reasons... if you guys are observant, you can see that lately the contractor has added a railing to all toilet windows.. also they have increase the height of the parapet walls in all levels... in addition, the rubbish dump ceiling has again been re-done (twice already!!)

All these works pointed to non-compilance to BCA regulations before... hence the long delays in top....

in the mean time, they have touched up on the landscaping recently... more plants are added to the entrance and sky garden... however, don't you guys think that the arrangement is a bit of a mess and choas??? plants are scattering everywhere and only certain part of the fences are covered up!? dun understand why soilbuild can't spend just a few k more to revamp the greenery.. personally, i think a beauitful landscaping will add a lot more class to a property project...you guys know wat i meant if you drop by The Strata developement to take a look at their excellent gardening job...

most probably have to pressure soilbuild to do a better job when we shift in...


I'm not gonna get excited anymore. Too many false alarms. BCA inspections were in end-March... then repeat inspections end-April..... now it's June...

Anyone has such similar experience or know what is the possible reason(s) for BCA delay?

Thanks for explaining Shinjan.

If what you said are true, aren't these all fundamental problems that should be spotted during plan application/approval? It's like manufacturing a car, then realizing that square tyres don't quite work, or brakes are also required!

I am especially amazed with the parapet wall height. Wouldn't this have to be specified during initial plan submission to BCA?

Maybe I am over-simplifying... but these so-called problems seem so foolishly idiotic. Someone in the construction line reading this... care to enlighten?

If you are unhappy with the landscaping, better raise to SB now before TOP. Any changes after TOP may be borne by the owners collectively. I can give you the contact, send me email or PM.

so did your contact disclose to you the TOP date?

Thanks for explaining Shinjan.

If what you said are true, aren't these all fundamental problems that should be spotted during plan application/approval? It's like manufacturing a car, then realizing that square tyres don't quite work, or brakes are also required!

I am especially amazed with the parapet wall height. Wouldn't this have to be specified during initial plan submission to BCA?

Maybe I am over-simplifying... but these so-called problems seem so foolishly idiotic. Someone in the construction line reading this... care to enlighten?

If you are unhappy with the landscaping, better raise to SB now before TOP. Any changes after TOP may be borne by the owners collectively. I can give you the contact, send me email or PM.

If they didn't give me any indication, I would not be so upset. Their initial target was end-March, then April, then May.

so did your contact disclose to you the TOP date?

just contacted BCA... they said there are still outstanding issues P16 yet to comply...hence no issue of TOP soon... :bash: looks like june is not possible already...

I guess we can call this a 'screw-up' of the highest degree. :gunz:

just contacted BCA... they said there are still outstanding issues P16 yet to comply...hence no issue of TOP soon... :bash: looks like june is not possible already...

well..at least, the guard allowed me to go inside to take a look (our units' doors are closed, of course)..and he said that top not approved yet, bt shld be this week..i jus laughed...

i cry if i heard that... laughed till i cried.... :hilarious

well..at least, the guard allowed me to go inside to take a look (our units' doors are closed, of course)..and he said that top not approved yet, bt shld be this week..i jus laughed...

hahaha..tis nt the first time the guard said these kind of things..bk in first week of may, they also said, tis only to top 2nd week of may...

bt we do see document bags in the gym, with each of our unit..so jus have to be patient n wait, wait, wait :runaway:

hiya...same here ....have anticipated for months...die off already...

hiya...same here ....have anticipated for months...die off already...

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Hi All Future P16 Neighbours,

Now that TOP is so NEAR yet so FAR... is anyone keen to have a kopi session in July? I will be glad to organise if there are 5 or more people able to make it.

Please send me a private message to state your availability (for each weekend of July), as well as preferred day (Sat/Sun) and time. Deadline for submission is Friday 30 June.

Cheers!

Woah... seems like there r a lot of ppl here living in the same building..

I received a suggestion that we should have this meeting outside P16, holding cards that read 'When's the TOP?' :jk:



Hi All Future P16 Neighbours,

Now that TOP is so NEAR yet so FAR... is anyone keen to have a kopi session in July? I will be glad to organise if there are 5 or more people able to make it.

Please send me a private message to state your availability (for each weekend of July), as well as preferred day (Sat/Sun) and time. Deadline for submission is Friday 30 June.

Cheers!

not outside P16..outside the developer office la..make them lugi..no face.. :scouserd:

Good idea, anyone from ST, TNP, Lianhe, CNA reading this? We need some media coverage! :speech: :applause: :soapbox:

not outside P16..outside the developer office la..make them lugi..no face.. :scouserd:

wah..suddenly "see" so many new faces... must be a gd sign... TOP this week!?? btw i saw those document bags 1+ month back liao.. think must be collecting dust by now...

i have a feeling... our TOP will only come when those dying trees beside the entrance start to turn GREEN again... in other words... must hope for miracle!! haha.. :cheer:

soilbuild just bought a big piece of land near P16 in Minbu/Moulmein road last week... add to their Bright Apartment (behind P16) purchase last year, they have a total of 4 projects in novena area now!
looks like they really think highly of our P16 area... hope they will come out with more futuristic designs to match those condos in Newton area...

Any potential buyer for their upcoming projects in the area will be put off after reading this thread! :nuts:

soilbuild just bought a big piece of land near P16 in Minbu/Moulmein road last week... add to their Bright Apartment (behind P16) purchase last year, they have a total of 4 projects in novena area now!
looks like they really think highly of our P16 area... hope they will come out with more futuristic designs to match those condos in Newton area...

dun be so pessimistic lar... at least the consolation is they are touching up the whole place all the time... i just saw them re-painting the walls today...hopefully the ugly fencing and landscape will be renew again on TOP!!

however...i heard drilling and knocking noise again today... this possibly means P16 had again fail the inspection and is repairing duuno wat again :bash: think P16 can have the honour of being the condo in Singapore that fail BCA inspections more than 4!? times (march, april, may and now june) :carrot:

TOP delayed ? Common for SB ... Mill Point was delayed like 3-4 months ... at the end of the day ... think the BCA people also give up on the inspections ... maybe (I am not sure) the BCA tell them just rectify it and get someone to prove it ... no more inspections ... haha!

So for P16 owners ... be patient ... just be the first few to get the keys and submit defects list ... those who got keys later in other SB projects ... they have to wait a long long time ...

btw..i forgot to mention tat i went into the pool changing room..got a shock..the door is extremely heavy, like industrial door..and the shower head is the portable type we buy and install in our HDB home..shldnt it be consealed type..even the public pools shower heads are consealed..hope this is temp..

i saw initially they installed those conceal shower head types but without hot water heater lor.. so its actually personal preference lar... for me.. i would rather sacrify the conceal shower head to take hot water heater for my guest comfort...

Remember when you've gotten the keys, to get someone to assess your unit, most importantly, take pictures of defects. It's crucial to submit the defects list within the time frame given in the agreement and allow the developer to take actions within 14 days. In another project, a friend submitted her defects and apparently the developer says that they have to indent the tiles and it'll take 3 mths to come. 3 mths came and gone, before you know it, it was 1 year later and nothing was done and she couldn't sue them either cos it's past 1 yr... Remember to have everything they say in black and white to record them in case you may have to sue them later.
My lawyer's advice is, if the developer does not do anything within the 14 days, get quotations from contractor on the defects. Do not start the repair work with your own contractor in case developer disputes over the quotes and refuse to pay you later. Give them maybe 10 mths and really if nothing was done, seek your lawyer's advice...that's why documentation is very important. I'm just sharing what I know, I hope all of you will get your unit in good condition.

To kill some boredom and disappointment over our elusive TOP, let's have some fun by doing a poll:

Q: Will you renovate and/or move-in during the Lunar 7th (Hungry Ghost) Month? :runaway:

Answers:
a) Will renovate and move-in
b) Will renovate but not move-in
c) Will move-in but not renovate
d) Will not do anything

Let me start, my answer is (a) as I am not bothered. What about you?

my answer is (d)!!! so they better die die have to give me the keys before August!!! if not.......