BASKETBALL Thread [Archive] - Page 15

3cr

February 13th, 2012, 08:13 PM

Sa pick-and-roll panigurado maaasahan si Lin pagbalik ni Amar'e at Melo. He can create opportunities to those two, basta maganda ang screen na binigay sa kanya.

Amare will benefit from Lin's pick and roll just like when he used to play with Nash. It was obvious with the way Chandler played the last 5 games. Melo, being a forward has a natural tendency to hog the ball and do the iso plays - he will have to adjust given the 180 degree turn in offensive sets.

Remember Lin already got to do pick and rolls already with Amare against the Nets when he exploded the first time. It's all about refining the system. Kobe said it best: players don't come from nowhere.
Lin doesn't need to score 20+ points every night. He even acknowledges that. He has already redefined the Knicks as a team.

Amare and Lin did play good together but again Carmelo was not there and I'm still reserving judgment if Amare's big game with Lin was a fluke or not. Amare and Lin may be able to play well together but I don't know about Carmelo though. And both of them together playing with Lin, I can only hope for the best. Imagine if NY didn't trade for Carmelo, they would have kept all those good players they gave up to Denver and with the addition of Chandler and Lin playing along side Amare and these up and comers, imagine what that could have been like. That would have been a much better Knicks team than what they have now. Honestly I think NY would have been better off without Carmelo in the equation. Just look at how the Denver Nuggets excelled after the Carmelo trade and even how the Knicks are playing without him now eh what more pa kaya with the young players they traded away to get Carmelo. Kaso nandiyan na eh so let's see if Carmelo's ego can handle the Linsanity.

gmaer

February 14th, 2012, 06:38 AM

Jeremy Lin was named NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week!

1100

February 14th, 2012, 02:35 PM

Dapat lang no.

JuMor3394

February 14th, 2012, 06:45 PM

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^^ :D:rock:
^^
Ang ganda ng game na 'to. :cheers: Parang playoffs na.

JuMor3394

February 14th, 2012, 06:46 PM

Jeremy Lin was named NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week!
^^
He deserved it. :D

bitoy

February 15th, 2012, 05:17 AM

Harvard and NBA resume???? that's wakanga! :D

I saw some highlights of the Nicks wins, Lin better enjoy his limelight, siguradong me panabla ang ibang NBA teams sa kanya.

Well, there will be a good business/economics life after his NBA career anyways. ENJOY!

absinthe_888

February 15th, 2012, 05:47 AM

Lin-sanity continues as Lin hits a game winning 3 ptr with 0.5 secs left to lift NY to a 90-87 win vs the Raptors. NY's winning streak now runs to six straight games.

Wag na bumalik si 'Melo, bwakaw yun e :D (no offense to CA fans)

bagel

February 15th, 2012, 07:08 AM

I actually screamed when this happened. Poor cat hid underneath the sofa.

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Here's the highlights that show Lin's drive plus clutch free throws to tie the game.

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But I think the MVP of the game was Iman Shumpert. Once he started locking down Jose Calderon, the game turned for the Knicks.

bitoy

February 15th, 2012, 07:25 AM

^^ Lin was given the go signal...then swakkk!!! :lol:

I just wonder how long can he keep his Bay Area accent in NY City? :d

eco.city

February 15th, 2012, 07:45 AM

diba American taiwanese si Lin? baka maglaro sa Jones Cup, Asian Games at Fiba Asia yan sa Taiwan Team..:)

3cr

February 15th, 2012, 08:59 AM

Just my humble suggestion for NY... Time to trade Carmelo & Chandler to Orlando for Dwight Howard and Turkoglu (plus filler if need be). NY will then have Lin, Amare, Howard, Shumpert, and Fields starting five, not bad aeh! :banana: :banana: :banana:

1100

February 15th, 2012, 11:53 AM

diba American taiwanese si Lin? baka maglaro sa Jones Cup, Asian Games at Fiba Asia yan sa Taiwan Team..:)

Actually player na talaga siya ng Chinese Taipei.

sun-tex

February 15th, 2012, 12:10 PM

di pa siya officially nakapaglaro sa taiwan national team,just like javale mcgee sa USA Basketball, both of them nagtraining lang sa national team

3cr

February 16th, 2012, 02:58 AM

Madison Sq. Garden, in front of the home-town crowd, lamang NY sa Sacramento sa ngayon. 2 more quarters to go.

3cr

February 16th, 2012, 03:33 AM

Early on the 4th Qtr and NY is leading, actually tambak na Sacramento. Looks like Linsanity will continue to live another day! Congrats to Jeremy/NY for another outstanding game.

Update: Melo expected to comeback earliest Fri or the latest Sun.

bitoy

February 16th, 2012, 09:59 AM

JuMor3394

February 16th, 2012, 08:08 PM

3cr

February 17th, 2012, 01:58 AM

Yikes eto na sinasabi ko... Melo in his interview in ESPN still considers himself to be the MAN of this Knicks team and of course being such would like to be the one to take the last shot if ever a game is on the line and time about to end. He'd rather be the one to do it since he's been doing it for years na daw. Panay Me. Me, Me talaga itong si Carmelo. Knicks should have not traded for this guy as they gave up really good players for him but maybe it's not too late to trade him/Melo in a package with Chandler for Dwight Howard, Turkoglu plus filler if need be. Imagine a front court of Howard & Amare with Lin on point and surrounded by a backcourt of Turkoglu, Shumpert, Fields, B.Davis & Bibby should be able to compete for the NBA Championship. Sad to say but with Melo's attitude, Linsanity will be Melowed out when he comes back and worse this Carmelo led Knicks will not be competitive to win the championship with that kind of selfish attitude.

Askal82

February 17th, 2012, 05:56 AM

^^ Lin was given the go signal...then swakkk!!! :lol:

I just wonder how long can he keep his Bay Area accent in NY City? :d

Actually, he doesn't sound like a Harvard graduate coz he speaks a little ghetto. :lol:

Askal82

February 17th, 2012, 05:58 AM

bagel

February 17th, 2012, 06:14 AM

No way... Carmelo will adjust. In fact, he's the guy who encouraged Coach D'Antoni to put J Lin in there. He doesn't want to be the ball handler. I think it's crazy that people think a top 10 player in the league should be taken out of NY. Just watch... he comes in there and people won't double team J Lin any more because there's a dangerous option. Right now people are doubling J Lin because who is the small forward option? Bill Walker. Of course i will double J Lin because Bill Walker is no real threat.

Just remember 5 years ago, Paul Pierce was a ball hog, played for himself, etc., etc. And then came Rajon Rondo.

Carmelo just needs to take a look at what Paul Pierce did when he finally got a good point guard.

The other thing is, the highest scoring output ever that Carmelo had was in Denver a couple of years ago when he played with another good point guard, Andre Miller. Carmelo also played with Chauncey Billups. He knows how to play with a point guard.

If you want to talk about potential chemistry destruction, talk about the pending signing of JR Smith. Now he's a me-first ball hog, and unlike Carmelo Anthony, he has low basketball IQ. Still, a low-risk high reward acquisition once the deal comes online.

Imagine this depth chart:

1 Lin/Baron/Shump/Douglas
2 Fields/JR Smith/Shump/Douglas
3 Melo/Fields/Novak/Walker
4 Amare/Jeffries/Jorts
5 Tyson/Jorts/Amare

Uh... that is DEEP.

gmaer

February 17th, 2012, 06:41 AM

Carmelo Anthony averages 4.2 assists per game compared to Jeremy Lin's 5.2 a game but the difference is that Melo is not the team's point guard but he is averaging assist close to any guards in the NYK roster.

3cr

February 17th, 2012, 09:56 AM

Guess we'll soon see how Melo's ego handle and adjust to Linsanity. Man just can't help imagine though if NY didn't trade for Carmelo, they would have kept all those good players they gave up to Denver and with the addition of Chandler and Lin playing along side Amare, that would have been a really much better Knicks team than what they have now with Melo as the Man as he puts it. Why do I say this? Just look at how the Denver Nuggets excelled after the Carmelo trade and even how the Knicks have been playing without him now, so what more with the young players they traded away to get Carmelo. I don't know...Melo was still the same selfish Melo even when he had a very good pointguard in Billups in Denver and even when both were traded and played in New York it was the same thing too. So for me going by past history, Melo's all talk and to see is to believe talaga if Melo will really change his selfish attitude for the sake of the team. I hope so.

sun-tex

February 17th, 2012, 01:36 PM

itrade na si melo at amare, mas maganda kong mapunta sa lakers, para melo-kobe-gasol-amare-bynum, ALL_STAR

1bel1river

February 17th, 2012, 09:00 PM

Actually, he doesn't sound like a Harvard graduate coz he speaks a little ghetto. :lol:

WTF does a Harvard graduate sound like?

Deebo.

February 17th, 2012, 09:54 PM

Actually, he doesn't sound like a Harvard graduate coz he speaks a little ghetto. :lol:

What exactly is ghetto? A language? What exactly do you mean?

Deebo.

February 17th, 2012, 09:58 PM

Suwerte si Melo sa bench... :D

Tumaas daw ang presyo ng dimsum sa Taiwan... :tongue2:

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Lin is an american not taiwanese nor chinese :tongue2:

anak_mm

February 17th, 2012, 10:18 PM

^^ sa amerika tawag sa kanya Taiwanese-American

WTF does a Harvard graduate sound like?

like Barack Obama or Conan O'Brien..

....or Miriam Defensor... ay di pala grad un.. umattend lang:lol:

bagel

February 17th, 2012, 11:01 PM

I love the "draglin edition" Nikes and the paper jerseys because you can't find a Lin jersey in New York City right now. Sold out everywhere.

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bagel

February 17th, 2012, 11:15 PM

Lin is an american not taiwanese nor chinese :tongue2:

Medyo linsane ata ako ngayon. :bash: all my posts are about J Lin.

His maternal grandmother is from China mainland. His father, however, is 9th generation Taiwanese. His ancestors migrated from Fujian province to Taiwan in the 1700s. According to NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/sports/basketball/jeremy-lins-grandmother-watches-along-with-taiwan.html?_r=1&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nyt%2Frss%2FSports+%28NYT+%3E+Sports%29

While in the car, Lin’s uncle volunteered his views on one of the most contentious questions on the Internet about Jeremy Lin and his family: whether they are Taiwanese or Chinese. “For sure, they are Taiwanese,” Lin Chi Chung said. “I spoke to Jeremy Lin’s father, who is my younger brother, and he said, ‘Make sure you point this out.’ ”

Both of Jeremy Lin’s parents were born in Taiwan and retain dual citizenship in Taiwan and the United States, Lin Chi Chung said. Jeremy Lin was born in California and has American citizenship but has been offered dual citizenship in Taiwan as well by the foreign ministry here, his uncle added.

Lin Chi Chung said he and Jeremy Lin’s father were eighth-generation descendants of immigrants from Fujian province in southeastern China who moved to Taiwan in 1707. They were part of a large wave of Fujian migration from which most of Taiwan’s current residents are descended, and these descendants tend to identify themselves as Taiwanese.

A senior official of Zhejiang province in east-central China suggested over the weekend that Jeremy Lin’s ancestral home was there because his maternal grandmother grew up in the province before moving to southernmost Taiwan in the late 1940s, at the end of China’s civil war.

bitoy

February 18th, 2012, 01:06 AM

Lin is an american not taiwanese nor chinese :tongue2:

:lol: Do you even understand what we are talking about on this thread?

We know he's an American but the Taiwanese have adopted him as one of their own because of his Taiwanese/Chinese ancestry.

gmaer

February 18th, 2012, 01:40 AM

3cr

February 18th, 2012, 03:20 AM

^^ Yup really. Where did Melo get New York last year (nowhere - same like Denver eliminated) but just look and compare both teams' record now? Where is Denver now in the standings compared to New York? Di ba Denver's win-loss record is actually better than NewYork. Moreover New York's record now is still just barely 8th seed and that's actually really thanks to Lin's outstanding play last 7 games which he almost single handedly won for them with good team basketball. If Lin and company didn't win those games, then NY's record would have been even worse than it is. Thank God for Linsanity. Wonder where NewYork's record would have been if Melo didn't get hurt and was playing? Probably worse...

Don't get me wrong I sincerely do hope Melo can really have a change of attitude and be able to adjust so as to co-exist with this rejuvinated Knicks team eventhough I've not really seen it (maturity) during his time playing in Denver and even this year with the New York Knicks. Anyway he's coming back soon so let's hope for the best...

Btw here's a very enlightening ESPN article excerpt on Melo that also shows his Pro stats which I think is indicative of the kind of player he is historically which leads to the question can he change? Guess we'll soon find out...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/11929/tyson-on-melo-not-adjusting-nonsense

The main reason why there is a conflict of interest is because Lin has established an effective offensive flow, predicated on the pick-and-roll, penetration and ball movement, and critics feel Anthony will disrupt that with his tendency to demand clear-outs on his defender.

There is no denying Melo's desire for one-on-one situations. In fact, over his last four years, no player in the NBA has been in isolation more often than Anthony, and he's actually increased his involvement in those situations as his career as progressed.

Anthony's Isolation Percentage By Season

2011-12 -- 32.2* (primary point guard: Toney Douglas)
2010-11 -- 37.2* (Chauncey Billups)
2009-10 -- 37.1 (Billups)
2008-09 -- 29.9 (Billups)
2007-08 -- 21.7 (Allen Iverson)
2006-07 -- 21.7 (Iverson)
2005-06 -- 20.9 (Andre Miller)
2004-05 -- 20.3 (Miller)
*Led NBA

While Anthony's isolation percentage was the highest with Billups, Mr. Big Shot helped Melo capitalize the most in those one-on-one situations. That's because the 2004 Finals MVP has been the best point guard Melo has played with in his career. Billups ran the pick-and-roll well with Stoudemire, which in turn created more space for Anthony to take advantage of many catch-and-shoot opportunities. With Billups on the court, Melo had no drop-off in production.

Anthony Per 48 Minutes With/Without Billups On Court From 2008-11

On Court | Off Court

Points -- 33.3 | 36.2
Field goal attempts -- 26.2 | 27.2
Field goal percentage -- 45.0 | 45.8
3-point field goal percentage -- 35.3 | 35.8
Rebounds -- 9.0 | 9.9
Assists -- 4.0 | 4.6
Turnovers -- 3.7 | 4.2
Usage percentage -- 35.4 | 37.2

Compared to these stats, Lin and Anthony have some work to do. Previously, in the 31 minutes playing with Lin, Anthony's player efficiency rating (PER) was just 5.7. With Lin off the court, that ballooned to 22.0. But, again, the sample size is small. But below is what it looks like.

Anthony Per 48 Minutes With/Without Lin On Court This Season

On Court | Off Court

Points -- 15.5 | 30.9
Rebounds -- 4.6 | 8.4
Assists -- 4.6 | 6.0
Usage percentage -- 26.7 | 36.7

A promising sign for Melo's return is watching how many open looks Bill Walker, who's been starting at small forward, is finding from Lin's kick-outs. Walker had been struggling from the floor in his four previous starts, but he had 14 points tonight, mostly from jumpers. In theory, then, Anthony, who's a better marksman than Walker, should bank on those catch-and-shoot opportunities playing with Lin, like he did with Billups.

Not only will Anthony need to get used to Linsanity, he'll have to space the floor well alongside Stoudemire. In their limited time together, Stoudemire flourished with Lin, and Anthony struggled. While Melo only scored 10 points in 31 minutes (a 5.7 PER) with Lin, STAT scored 24 points in 32 minutes (a 32.3 PER) with Lin. Without him, STAT had a 17.2 PER.

You have to wonder what Anthony is really thinking as his team has won seven straight games without him. Hopefully he's come to grips with the fact that he'll have to make some sacrifices to allow Lin to lead the Knicks' offense. That means less touches and more moving without the ball. It's key that the Knicks continue to build on what they're "actively" producing, because it's paying off right now. They cannot go back to being a stationary team pre-Lin several weeks ago, because that's when they struggled and had a record that nearly mirrored the now 8-22 Nets, who have lost seven games in a row. The Knicks, on the other hand, are performing the exact opposite.

bagel

February 18th, 2012, 03:31 AM

Arguably, the Knicks were in a good place last year. They made the playoffs for the first time since 2005 or something. They were eliminated by a veteran Celtics team at full strength, when New York had no Billups (injured) and no Amare (injured). Except for game 3 of that series, the games were pretty tight until the end, when Doc Rivers employed the triple team Melo defense. Melo carried that team to the playoffs and I remember telling people that he had so much heart to keep the Knicks even competitive in the first round.

Fast forward to the first month and a half of NBA this season. Knicks did not have a point guard because Billups was released so they could get a real center. D'Antoni's smooth offense was not running at all because the person responsible for his offense is the point guard. Tony Douglas and Iman Shumpert were horrible PGs because they aren't PGs. And making the offense flow through the SF position really through everybody off of their natural positions because Melo is also not a PG. So it's a wonder the Knicks could even compete. But Melo as a ball stopper? He was the team's assists leader until Lin came in... which really says a lot about the combined skills of Douglas and Shumpert.

Now that he no longer has to run the point, Melo can go back to being a pure scorer. He can still have his isos the way Paul Pierce still has his isos.

The Knicks are now among the deepest teams in the league, especially when Baron Davis comes back from injury and JR Smith joins them for some bench scoring. They're currently tied with Celtics for 8th seed in the east, and I'm sure they'll keep on getting better. The Nuggets? They're as good as they will be this year. The Knicks have so much room to grow.

sun-tex

February 18th, 2012, 05:40 AM

talo ang knicks ng NOLA, 26 pints each si lin at amare

3cr

February 18th, 2012, 06:52 AM

If you want to talk about potential chemistry destruction, talk about the pending signing of JR Smith. Now he's a me-first ball hog, and unlike Carmelo Anthony, he has low basketball IQ. Still, a low-risk high reward acquisition once the deal comes online.

Imagine this depth chart:

1 Lin/Baron/Shump/Douglas
2 Fields/JR Smith/Shump/Douglas
3 Melo/Fields/Novak/Walker
4 Amare/Jeffries/Jorts
5 Tyson/Jorts/Amare

Uh... that is DEEP.

^^ The JR Smith signing Bagel mentioned earlier is now official. He's a Knick now.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7588283/relax-new-york-knicks-signing-jr-smith-good-thing

Do you know one way you can tell Carmelo Anthony hasn't played for the Knicks that long? Or how it's obvious Jeremy Lin is new around here too?

Only players who didn't slog through the agony-filled years that preceded this magical two-week run the Knicks are on would laugh like Anthony and Lin have this week and remark on how "funny" it seems that developments that should be treated as good news -- like the Knicks' signing Friday of shooting guard J.R. Smith, or Anthony's impending return from a groin injury -- are met with paranoia instead. Or panicky questions like, "Why risk screwing up a good thing?"

But as difficult -- and yes, comical -- as it is for success-starved Knicks' fans to trust it, the Knicks really did do a smart thing by pushing and pushing until they'd beaten out the Los Angeles Clippers for Smith, a 6-foot-6 shooting guard who decided to ride out the NBA lockout by playing an abbreviated season in China.

And the Knicks will be far better especially when Anthony comes back, too, perhaps as soon as Sunday's game against defending champion Dallas.

The Knicks could have used a little of Anthony's scoring Friday night as Lin and the rest of the offense finally hit the wall. The Knicks played extremely hard, just not all that well at critical times during their 89-85 loss to New Orleans that snapped the Knicks' seven-game winning streak. Lin finished with 26 points on 8-for-18 shooting, but his nine turnovers were a problem.

Remember, despite all the excitement that Linsanity has caused for the past 13 days, the Knicks are still only 15-16 overall. They began the night clinging to what would be the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference, not sitting atop the standings. They also shot only four-for-24 from 3-point range Friday night and long-range shooting is one of Smith's specialties.

"Obviously we could have used it tonight, that's no doubt. And Melo [too]," Knicks head coach Mike D'Antoni said.

So how is getting Anthony back a bad thing? And how is beefing up a Knicks bench that once looked among the worst in the league with a 12.3 ppg career scorer like Smith a mistake?

Whatever chemistry issues or uncertainty about the rotation both changes cause in the short term -- and there may be some -- should be outstripped by the improved team the Knicks can be come playoff time.

"We've added a lot of talent ... and it's a nice problem to have," D'Antoni said before the game.

Smith is only 26, and he does a lot of things the Knicks can use. He's a terrific 3-point shooter, he's athletic enough to put the ball on the floor and slash to the basket, and he can play pick-and-roll basketball -- all things that should allow him to flourish in D'Antoni's system.

Smith also provides a nice bit of insurance should Landry Fields, who D'Antoni said would remain the starter "for now," goes missing in action again this season, same as he did his rookie year after Anthony arrived.

We already know Smith is eminently comfortable playing with Anthony. They played together in Denver.

Now, there's no denying Smith has had a few entries in the knucklehead column over his career, the worst of them being the brawl he started with the Knicks a few years ago. And he doesn't play great defense. He was known to chuck up too many ill-advised shots in Denver and freelance too much in the wrong situations, all of which exasperated Nuggets coach George Karl.

But look: Smith should have no problem getting enough shots in the normal flow of D'Antoni's up-tempo system -- and he tends to make them. He's a fine 37 percent shooter from three-point range over his career.

The Knicks' financial investment in Smith is modest too: just a pro-rated portion of the $2.5 million mini exemption.

Better yet, he'll be playing to win himself a lucrative longer term contract, which has a way of making players toe the line even when the desire to win or his teammates' disapproval can't.

So there's little not to like about adding Smith. But it will be up to D'Antoni to make it all work every bit as much as Smith or Anthony.

Anthony grew a little indignant this week at the suggestion he can't adapt to Linsanity, saying, "I can play with anybody." And D'Antoni is known for running a notoriously tight eight-man (or so) rotation.

We're about to find out now how good D'Antoni is at adapting from night to night to dividing up the minutes between a backcourt that could include five players -- Lin, Fields, Smith, Iman Shumpert and Baron Davis when Davis finally comes back from back trouble.

D'Antoni is notoriously stubborn. But it was promising Friday to hear him repeatedly say that he indeed intends to adjust now that the Knicks have this much quality depth.

"I'd be crazy if I didn't use it," D'Antoni said. "I've just got to make sure I don't lose guys that are playing well."

Since Lin began starting and getting everyone else on the team involved, the Knicks have been rounding into a nice little club that suddenly has a little bit of everything. Roles are starting to fall nicely into place. They've got a budding defensive stopper in Shumpert, a spot-up 3-point shooter like Novak and a big man off the bench in Jared Jefferies. And their frontline of Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire and Anthony could always play with anyone in the league.

Smith should only help, especially if the Knicks can keep playing defense as well with him and Anthony as they have without them. A big "if."

But Smith is a modest risk. And if he acts out, there's a simple answer for that: He can ride the bench.

So hard as it is, Knicks fans, try to forget the scars of season's past. Forget the paranoia. Take a deep breath.

More good times -- not less -- could be just ahead.

gmaer

February 18th, 2012, 07:53 AM

shranethomas

February 18th, 2012, 08:35 AM

Wow nagkatotoo din parang anime na slamdunk na ito. Salamat kay Jlin.

3cr

February 18th, 2012, 08:57 AM

Deservingly so! Congrats J.Lin! WooHoo! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Point guard Lin gets berth in Rising Stars Challenge
Manila Times
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/opinion/editorials/17430-point-guard-lin-gets-berth-in-rising-stars-challenge

LOS ANGELES: NBA sensation Jeremy Lin was a last-minute addition to the NBA’s All-Star weekend Rising Stars Challenge for first- and second-year players on Thursday.

The New York point guard, who has electrified the NBA since the Knicks turned to him on an emergency basis, was named along with Miami’s Norris Cole to swell the pool of eligible players to 20 shortly before Shaquille O’Neal and Charles Barkley began choosing players for their teams.

The move puts Lin, a seldom-seen bench-warmer two weeks ago who became a hero when forced into a starting role, into the NBA’s signature weekend, and O’Neal made him the third pick for his Team Shaq.

NBA commissioner David Stern had told USA Today that Lin — who had not yet taken the league by storm when the original pool of 18 players was named for the Rising Stars Challenge, would not receive a special invitation to play in the game.

However, Lin’s addition gives the league a chance to show off their new star, whose explosion on the scene after he was undrafted out of Harvard University and cut by both Golden State and Houston has inspired fans.

As the first US-born NBA player of Taiwanese and Chinese heritage, Lin has also galvanized Asian NBA fans.

Barkley praised Lin’s addition to the event, saying it was “really stupid” that the NBA hadn’t moved earlier to add him.

On Team Shaq Lin will be joined by Blake Griffin, the high-flying star of the Los Angeles Clippers, and Minnesota’s Spanish rookie Ricky Rubio.

San Antonio’s Brazilian import Tiago Splitter found a place with Team Barkley, along with Wasington’s John Wall and Cleveland’s Kyrie Irving — the last two top NBA draft picks.

Griffin won’t defend his title in the All-Star dunk contest, which will include New York’s Iman Shumpert, Minnesota’s Derrick Williams, Indiana’s Paul George and Houston’s Chase Budinger.

ESPN.com reported that Lin could play a role in the dunk competition assisting teammate Shumpert.

sun-tex

February 18th, 2012, 03:09 PM

ganda ng laro ng ginebra vs alaska sa lucena city

[nightfury]

February 18th, 2012, 03:48 PM

^^ sino panalo at best player?

sun-tex

February 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM

alaska,si LA tenorio ata best player, ang tindi ng mga accidental 2 3 pointers ni LA

[nightfury]

February 18th, 2012, 04:44 PM

^^ thanks :) ang galing nila LA at CB :D

from fb:

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gmaer

February 19th, 2012, 01:32 AM

Jeremy Lin lose to the New Orleans Hornets with a season-high 9 personal turnovers which ended the New York Knicks 7-game winning streak! It's about time that Carmelo Anthony should return to the hard court.

sun-tex

February 19th, 2012, 04:58 AM

team shaq, griffin,lin,rubio.................watta line-up,future of NBA 2016

3cr

February 19th, 2012, 10:53 AM

Jeremy Lin 20 pts, 5 assists & 9 turnover in a loss to New Orleans. Despite the loss, the Lin led Knicks has a 7 straight wins and 1 loss record in the last 8 games. Talk about carrying the team to victory as this could have just as easily been flipped into a losing record. Hard to ask more from the guy really especially given bench help/production has been marginal at best. It should help that newly signed free agent JR Smith may be playing against Dallas tomorrow as Carmelo will still be out according to reports. Really looking forward to Melo coming back. I would really like to see how he will adjust and fit in to this newly rejuvinated Knicks team. Also curious to see as well if Melo can actually win 7 straight for the Knicks just like Lin did during Melo's absence. They'll surely need the wins to improve upon their record to avoid facing Miami in the first round...

Will Melo buy into the Knicks' new system?
ESPN.Com
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/11499/will-melo-buy-into-the-knicks-new-system

NEW YORK -- With Carmelo Anthony returning Monday night against the Nets -- the same team Jeremy Lin had his breakout game against on Feb. 4 -- now it's time to really see glimpses of how Lin and Melo could work together, or not, on the court.

There are several positive signs heading into tonight from Anthony. Lin said during a recent ESPN Radio interview that Melo vouched for him to play in that Feb. 4 game. And at practice last week, Melo said he is prepared to put the ball in Lin's hands and let him create.

Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni said Anthony will benefit from Lin's floor game.

"Any player wants a point guard that can get him easy shots, and Jeremy can do that," D'Antoni said, addressing a question about Lin and Melo's playing relationship.

Even with that said, many within close NBA circles believe Anthony still hasn't moved beyond his isolation persona.

In fact, one NBA advance scout I spoke with said, "If there was ever a picture in the dictionary of what 'ball-stopper' would look like, it's Carmelo. He's rarely given an indication that he's willing to buy into playing the right way in a team system. He has seemed to grow out of that to some degree, but Carmelo with exceptions never really seemed to get that in Denver. I mean, there was a stretch where George Karl seemed to have him playing a little more within the team concept, but for the majority of his NBA career, he did not."

There is a feeling around the league that if the Knicks are going to contend for a championship this season, Anthony needs to be on the same page with Lin and the chemistry the team has built in Anthony's absence.

Another scout had this to say: "If you ever want to win big and contend for championships -- not just make the playoffs, not just show up and get knocked out in the first or second round -- guys like that have to figure it out. And usually guys figure it out earlier than Carmelo has.

"You've got to have a goal in mind, and if they're going to get there, those guys are going to have to play the right way eventually. I've seen Carmelo do it. He's even gotten some positive reviews from some of the other teams. But I feel like his style of playing versus the other would be in the minority."

There is some optimism, however, based on how Anthony played in the second half of last season with Chauncey Billups. Anthony allowed the Billups and Amare Stoudemire pick-and-roll with spacing to be the focal point of the offense (like how it is now in New York with Lin and Stoudemire/Tyson Chandler). In that situation, Anthony benefited from many open shots, especially 3-pointers -- a staple in D'Antoni's offense. He had 53 of them after the 2011 All-Star break (42.4 percent).

"Understand with a guy like Chauncey, who had the veteran credibility, Carmelo would listen," a scout said. "I don't know if defer is the right word, but he would at least listen. You've got a guy that commands respect, I'll put it that way. Lin's play will only help do that, but I don't know that it'll be quite the same respect that Chauncey commanded. But it could help. One could hope."

gmaer

February 20th, 2012, 02:02 AM

bagel

February 20th, 2012, 03:44 AM

Actually, he doesn't sound like a Harvard graduate coz he speaks a little ghetto. :lol:

:lol: That's not a ghetto accent! He sounds so Bay Area! That's what Asian Americans in the Bay Area sound like! :colgate:

bagel

February 20th, 2012, 03:51 AM

Jeremy Lin scored 28 points and added 14 assists as the host Knicks beat the Mavericks 104-97 which ended the Dallas Mavericks’ six-game winning streak. JR Smith scored 15 points in his Knicks debut, he hit three of the Knicks’ 12 3-pointers. Baron Davis was in uniform for the Knicks but didn’t play.

Dallas is a great defensive team especially against the pick and roll. But here's something for comparison.

Not only does Dallas have a good defense, but they had been SMASHING point guards coming into today.

The PG the Mavs had faced in their 6 game winning streak before today's game:

2/8 - Lawson: 5-16 fg, 16 pts, 1 reb, 10 asst

2/10 - Rubio: 2-8 fg, 10 pts, 4 reb, 8 asst

2/11 - Felton: 4-17 fg, 9 pts, 2 reb, 2 asst

2/13 - Paul: 5-10 fg, 16 pts, 5 reb, 9 asst

2/15 - Lawson: 1-8 fg, 3 pts, 2 reb, 2 asst

2/17 - Holiday: 0-9 fg, 3 pts, 4 reb, 2 asst

Average Starting PG vs Mavs in last 6 games:

17-68 fg (.250), 9.5 pts, 3 reb, 5.5 asst

LIN: 11-20, 28 pts, 4 reb, 14 asst

:lol:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dbpJDU8ttYk/T0EMmItm-qI/AAAAAAAAJaM/vSxo55dp1hc/s400/linside%2Bof%2Bme.jpg

bitoy

February 20th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Jeremy Lin speaking Chinese.... rough accent but at least he can understand and speak Chinese. Not like my nieces and nephews born here, isa lang nakakaintindi ng Tagalog pag pinapagilitan siya. :lol:

7daS-VU2c1Y

gmaer

February 20th, 2012, 10:01 AM

Jeremy Lin was like Anthony Morrow a few seasons back when Anthony Morrow was still with the Golden State Warriors, he scored 37 points which is the most points ever scored in a game by an undrafted player in his rookie season, but the difference is that Jeremy Lin was given the spotlight because he is different. There were other NBA players like Jeremy Lin but so much focus was given to this Asian American player.

3cr

February 20th, 2012, 09:01 PM

I think time and time again Jeremy Lin has already shown in the last 9 games (and counting) that he is a real baller whatever his ethnicity may be as he had carried this Knicks team to another great victory this time against a very good Dallas Mavs team. The Lin led Knicks is now 8 - 1 baby and they have proven they can win even without Melo being there which speaks volume! This resurging Knicks team as led by Lin finds ways to win by playing real good "team" basketball much like Denver, Memphis, Philly and even LA Clippers for that matter. It's not much about the superstar as it is about team ball. Without stating the obvious, expectation and upside will definitely be even higher when Melo comes back which starts tonite where he'll be under a microscope. Melo needs to accept he ain't longer "The Man" so he better learn to adjust and get with the program so to speak otherwise it would not surprise me one bit if Melo and his $19M salary gets shipped out in a trade for player(s) who can get this Knicks team to winning the championship. And such a move is not really a bad thing especially with a very good free agent market this summer which includes Jeremy Lin no less. Personally I'd rather sign and keep Lin than keep Melo around especially considering Melo's position is the easiest to fill/replace via trade or in the free agent market and at a much reasonable price at that. $19M will definitely go a long way to make the Knicks an even much better team than they are today so there is definitely pressure on Melo to deliver.

bagel

February 21st, 2012, 03:14 AM

I would keep Melo and get rid of Amare Stoudemire. He's not Standing Tall And Talented anymore. He lost his shot, he lost his handle, and he's just not finishing with explosiveness anymore. What is wrong with him?

absinthe_888

February 21st, 2012, 04:16 AM

Melo's back...Knicks lost 100-92 :D

D.Williams torched the Knicks, 38 pts

3cr

February 21st, 2012, 07:34 AM

^^ :lol: Hehehe... We'll let Melo slide on this losing effort against NJ but the coming game against Miami will definitely be a telling one for the Knicks' Lin/Melo tandem's future. You'll never know, if the Knicks get beaten badly by the Heat, anything can happen especially with the All Star weekend just around the corner and trade deadline fast approaching... :| :| :|

NY's record now 16 wins and 17 losses (with Melo: 9 wins and 16 losses while w/o Melo: 7 wins and 1 loss) - Knicks' record better w/o Melo... Knicks can win w/o Melo... Knicks should trade Melo.

New York Knicks Starting 5 Stats:
Name Min Reb Asst Pts
J. Lin, G 36 7 9 21
A. Stoudemire, F 35 4 2 17
T. Chandler, C 24 8 1 14
L. Fields, G 32 11 1 10
C. Anthony, F 37 3 6 11

Williams steals show from Lin-Melo duo
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-jersey-nets-deron-williams-steal-show-from-new-york-knicks-jeremy-lin-carmelo-anthony-022012

The Jeremy Lin Meets Carmelo Anthony Era got off to a rocky start Monday.

But nestled in the New Jersey Nets’ 100-92 win over the New York Knicks was more than just the fact that ’Melo’s return did indeed end with a bad loss by a Knicks team that had been surging in his absence.

Yes, beyond a doubt, the Knicks will rise or fall based on how Anthony and Lin do or do not learn to coexist together on the floor.

But the next phase of Linsanity involves two types of stars: Those on Lin’s team (most notably ’Melo) and those such as Deron Williams who are decidedly not on Lin’s team and who share a real desire to squash the hype surrounding him — and thus reassert themselves as the talk of the NBA.

The Miami Heat face the Knicks on Thursday, and behind its players’ kind words about Linsanity is, you better believe, a growing hunger to put an end to it. Somewhere, Kobe Bryant surely dreams of getting another go against the young upstart. Same for Dirk Nowitzki, who lost to Lin’s Knicks on Sunday, and same for all the other highly driven stars who don’t surrender this kind of glory to unheard-of players without a bruising fight.

The NBA is filled with some of the world's finest competitors, after all, men who live lives centered on crushing all comers on the court. Men who would tend to take a no-name point guard usurping all the NBA glory a little personally.

It sure seemed like these things brought out the best in Williams’ play at Madison Square Garden. At times curt about Linsanity during Lin’s rise, and at hand when it began with a Knicks win over his Nets team two weeks ago, D-Will seemed determined Monday night to turn ’Melo’s return and Lin’s continued ascent into a stage for his own prodigious skills.

Skills, he may have thought privately, not given enough due given the national celebration that has sprung up around Lin since he burst on the scene.

In that spirit, Williams scorched New York, torching them for a season-high 38 points with the fire and flash of a guy a little tired of the basketball universe surrounding Jeremy Lin.

The biggest problem is what Deron Williams’ performance could represent: That a lot of teams and a lot of superstars in the days ahead are going to summon their very best against the Knicks.

The issue isn’t just figuring out whether ’Melo can coexist with Lin. It’s the fact that if it can happen, it needs to happen now. That’s not really fair, or realistic, but that’s the lay of the land in the NBA right now.

Lin, Anthony and the rest of the team are going to get a big old helping of what the Miami Heat got last year: A nightly adversary mustering the kind of energy, effort and desire to humiliate you that comes with being wildly, almost nauseatingly, celebrated. They need to be ready to face it today, not as soon as they’re ready.

That’s problem No. 1.

Problem No. 2 is that this onslaught of effort will rain down on the Knicks even as they try to figure themselves out during a shortened season with limited practices, new faces and an unexpected identity centered on Lin.

This team must integrate not just ’Melo but new additions J.R. Smith and Baron Davis, who made his Knicks debut Monday night. Amar’e Stoudemire will have to find his comfort zone among this crowded team, too, because nights like Sunday (17 points on 7-of-17 shooting and a paltry four rebounds) will be utterly unacceptable if this team hopes to be for real.

“Any time you have three new players or people coming back, your identity as a team is going to change with the personnel,” Lin said. “That’s what we needed to figure out, what our identity is going to be. We’re not in panic mode because it doesn’t just work where people just show up and all of a sudden you have great chemistry. So we’re going to have to work through some struggles, but as long as we’re all committed and buying in we’ll be fine.”

Yes, it’s early. Yes, the Knicks — from ’Melo to Lin to Davis to Smith to Stoudemire to everyone else — need time to adjust. And yes, Lin played well against the Nets. He had 21 points, nine assists, seven rebounds and four steals.

He is certainly for real, and it’s not as if Anthony’s return turned Lin to mush, crushed his confidence, interfered with his rhythm or in general ended his run toward stardom. Instead, ’Melo looked both rusty and extraordinarily concerned that he not offer up fodder to the doubters who screamed he can’t coexist with his new fellow star.

Anthony scored 11 points on just 11 shots, dished out six assists and turned the ball over six times. That’s the line of a guy both out of sync and trying hard to make the Lin era work. That’s the line of a guy playing selflessly, if not quite effectively. Even he needs time to figure this thing out.

“A little rusty,” he said. “That was kind of expected. I wasn’t really trying to overdo tonight. See what I could do. Just get this game under my belt.”

’Melo also said he wants Lin handling the ball, and I believe him. He’s seen this team storm back from being a joke to being a playoff contender. Any competitor would give that a shot.

But it’s also true the future is now. ’Melo has returned, guys like Deron Williams are out for blood and the Knicks are operating under the sheen of an intense spotlight that might make them the story — but also makes them a target.

“It is Day One,” Lin said. “It is Day One. Obviously we’re not happy with how it went, but sometimes when you go through these type of times you become a better team.”

True. But usually Day One doesn’t come toward the end of February. Because it has, the Knicks can’t waste time. ’Melo and Lin need to mesh as soon as possible, including using the All-Star break and the three or four practices it’ll provide to speed up the process.

Williams showed Monday night the kind of anger-infused competition the Knicks are going to face going forward.

Anthony and Lin have two choices. Either they beat back such efforts together, or they get used to being the inspiration for other players’ moments of excellence.

sun-tex

February 21st, 2012, 02:33 PM

panira si deron williams oh, ang laki ng tulong ng ILLUMINATI kay Lin,thanks,spike lee

eco.city

February 21st, 2012, 03:26 PM

Knicks record:

W-16 ; L-17, (9-9 home)

New York Knicks Schedule/Results - 2011-12

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks

eco.city

February 21st, 2012, 03:37 PM

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NBA Standings 2011-2012

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings (http://espn.go.com/nba/standings)

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bagel

February 21st, 2012, 05:30 PM

Melo's back...Knicks lost 100-92 :D

D.Williams torched the Knicks, 38 pts

galit si deron williams.

he was the original victim of linsanity when jeremy first exploded onto the scene and totally outplayed him. :colgate:

sun-tex

February 21st, 2012, 05:33 PM

paborito pala ni jeremy lin ang hamburger with fries after NY games

nice trivia TV 5

bitoy

February 21st, 2012, 07:11 PM

Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin meet for the first time before the charity game in Taipei, Taiwan (7/28/10).

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/4951999062_3a9fbb68aa_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/4951998848_0831961ff4.jpg

Yao poses for a photo with Jeremy Lin and his family.

anak_mm

February 21st, 2012, 08:53 PM

:lol:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dbpJDU8ttYk/T0EMmItm-qI/AAAAAAAAJaM/vSxo55dp1hc/s400/linside%2Bof%2Bme.jpg
:rofl:

IslandSon.PH

February 22nd, 2012, 02:33 AM

ang laki ni yao, halos ceiling height na:nuts:

DaVz

February 22nd, 2012, 03:23 AM

9gag naalala ko sa picture ni Yao Ming na naka-smile.:lol:

1100

February 22nd, 2012, 11:11 AM

You mean like this? :rofl:

http://cfgfactory.com/images/i/4f35923e34365_bitch-please.png

DaVz

February 23rd, 2012, 02:20 AM

^^
http://pics.livejournal.com/gillian_sagadal/pic/0003grkf

:lol:

sorry OT

JuMor3394

February 23rd, 2012, 06:01 AM

Panalo New York vs. Atlanta, 99-82. Lin had 17 points and nine assists while Carmelo Anthony scored 15 points.

Next game for the Knicks: vs. Miami! Sino kaya ang magbabantay kay Jeremy Lin? Lebron? DWade? Or maybe si Mario Chalmers? Ang ganda ng laban na to. Wohoo! :cheers: :banana:

gmaer

February 23rd, 2012, 06:34 AM

Knicks should not trade Melo!

Panalo New York vs. Atlanta, 99-82. Lin had 17 points and nine assists while Carmelo Anthony scored 15 points.

Next game for the Knicks: vs. Miami! Sino kaya ang magbabantay kay Jeremy Lin? Lebron? DWade? Or maybe si Mario Chalmers? Ang ganda ng laban na to. Wohoo! :cheers: :banana:

Probably Super Mario :cheers:

bitoy

February 23rd, 2012, 12:00 PM

Thursday game of NY against Miami will be interesting.

1100

February 23rd, 2012, 01:09 PM

Bukas na ang NY-MIA game at the American Airlines Arena.

sun-tex

February 23rd, 2012, 02:56 PM

sold out crowd bukas, hope sa sm arena lakers vs celtics and new york vs miami, kahit $100 or 4,300 pesos sa gen admission manonood ako, wag na sa court side kasi malayo sa katotohanan,hehehehe

bagel

February 23rd, 2012, 09:34 PM

Beat the Heat.

My dislike for that team in the south is deep and long standing. 1997 still burns for me. And no more dishonor can be seen in one team than in Miami and it comes from the top-- Pat the Rat, LeBron and Wade.

gGD_ym_hb1M

Unfortunately, I think Miami will destroy the Knicks. The Knicks are still trying to figure out so many things right now, and Miami knows who they are as a team already. It will be a different story in April.

3cr

February 23rd, 2012, 09:38 PM

^^^^ WoHoo this is the game everyone has been waiting for and it's happening in the next few hours! This Knicks game against Miami later will definitely be a telling one, a barometer of sorts, for the Knicks' Lin/Melo tandem's future. You'll never know, if the Knicks get beaten badly by the Heat, anything can happen especially with the All Star weekend just around the corner and trade deadline fast approaching. Who will stay and who will go... mmm :| :| :|

How Anthony fits into Linsanity
By David Thorpe
ESPN Insider
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7594279&_slug_=how-carmelo-anthony-fit-jeremy-lin-nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7594279%26_slug_%3dhow-carmelo-anthony-fit-jeremy-lin-nba

It's almost beyond ironic to consider what is now evident -- the New York Knicks traded away very talented young players in their desperate attempt to gain a superstar and become relevant, but their biggest star so far in 2012 is previously unheralded Jeremy Lin, his splash made while the star New York picked up is injured and on the bench. With the irony duly noted, it's been a sensational story. The question now is: What happens when the superstar the Knicks traded for, Carmelo Anthony, returns to the lineup?

To start, some simple math is in order. In his entire career, Anthony has never averaged fewer than 16.4 shots per game, and that total came in his second season as a pro. Since then he's never taken fewer than 18.3 shots per game in a season, including seasons played with point guards like Allen Iverson and Chauncey Billups (both guys who score a lot of points). As a Knick this season he's at 18.8 shots per game, most coming while playing alongside point guards Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas. Both guys play both guard spots, but generally speaking, as point guards, each averages about 9-11 shots per game. Since Lin has arrived, and discounting the "game" (blowout city) against the Kings, the phenom is taking about 20 shots per game. So doing the math, we see issue No. 1: Melo is used to his 18-plus shots per game, and with Lin as the point guard it's very unlikely he'll average that number.

To see how Carmelo Anthony would work best in the new Knicks offense, click the link and become an ESPN Insider.

3cr

February 23rd, 2012, 10:08 PM

This is a real big compliment to Jeremy Lin and his talent. Hope he and the rest of the Knicks have a great game against the Miami Heat! Go Go Knicks! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Miami, Big Three prepare for Lin's arrival
http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/02/22/12/Miami-Big-Three-prepare-for-Lins-arrival/landing_heat.html?blockID=671734&feedID=3682

Thursday's game does have a feeling of Jeremy Lin vs. the Heat. It's the biggest test yet for the New York sensation as he plays his 12th game since, to borrow a word from Miami coach Erik Spoelstra, he emerged from "oblivion." It's just the fourth road game during the stretch, with the first three being in NBA outposts Washington, Minnesota and Toronto.

How big is the game between the Knicks and the Heat? Just listen to the second-most popular player who will be in it.

"It's a huge game," Heat forward LeBron James said. "It's a rivalry. Everybody knows the history between the Knicks and the Heat, and you bring in Jeremy Lin, the ‘Linsation.' You bring in the Miami Heat and Carmelo Anthony, all those guys, Amar'e Stoudemire, Spike Lee, Pat Riley. All that. It's a huge game."

Need a pair of courtside tickets? StubHub is offering the best ones at $10,001 apiece.

Want to go a little cheaper and instead sit in the front row on the baseline? StubHub can offer a pair at $7,059 apiece but you might not be sitting next to Lee.

For those who can't get in, Lin taking his talents to South Beach will be televised nationally by TNT.

Throughout last season, the Heat were the biggest show in the NBA. It has been much more tame this season. But the spotlight is back, and the Heat are ready for it.

"It's not our guys' first rodeo in that regard," Spoelstra said.

The strange thing, though, is Thursday's game is being hyped mainly for somebody who is not on the Heat. That someone, of course, is a Harvard graduate who is now on the cover of Sports Illustrated, not Business Week, for a second straight time.

"He should make sure he doesn't take that for granted and get those covers and frame them and put them in his house," said James, who knows a bit about Sports Illustrated covers, having been on 14.

But nobody on the Heat has been on any such cover this season.

Miami players have been saying during Lin's run they don't mind being under the radar. Nevertheless, after looking bored during a 120-108 home win Tuesday over lowly Sacramento, you get the feeling the Heat (26-7) don't mind being back in the spotlight even it's more because of what an opponent is doing.

"We play a lot of spotlight games," said guard Dwyane Wade. "It's going to be a good game. The fans will be excited. For us as players, we love these kind of games, and we want to come out and perform great."

Obviously, James, who expects to guard Lin some, wants to continue to play like the guy everybody has been touting all season for MVP. But James does have great respect for the second-year guard who appears to have locked up the Most Improved Player award.

James was asked if Lin simply should be regarded as a player averaging 23.9 points and 9.2 assists in his past 11 games without there being dwelling on the fact he's Asian-American. James agreed.

"I think it's taken away from it, obviously," James said about Lin, whose Knicks (17-17) have won 9 of 11 since he began playing significant minutes. "But, at the end of the day, he's winning ball games. That's all it really comes down to… You should realize how good of a player he is and not get caught up in everything else. He's a really good player."

James said he first took notice of Lin when he flipped on the television in the summer of 2010 and saw him playing well for Dallas in a summer league game in Las Vegas against John Wall and Washington. Pardon James if he didn't follow Lin much during college.

"I never watch Harvard basketball," James said.

Spoelstra also remembers that game in Las Vegas. The Heat played immediately following it.

"I had no idea who he was at Harvard," Spoelstra said. "The first time I heard of (Lin) was in the summer league two years ago…. I showed up at the auxiliary gym next door. You could hear all the noise and we heard John Wall was playing… We all assumed that it was John Wall who dominated that game. Then people were talking about a Lin kid who dominated the fourth quarter. Nobody knew who he was."

Spoelstra sure knows now.

This actually isn't the first time Lin will have taken the floor against the Heat. On Dec. 10, 2010, he went scoreless in three minutes against them while playing for Golden State. But just four weeks ago Lin never left the bench in New York's 99-89 loss at Miami.

That, of course, was before the world changed Feb. 4. Lin got significant minutes as a reserve and responded with 25 points against New Jersey.

"Everything has changed for that franchise from that moment," Wade said of Lin, who's been starting ever since.

Now, Lin might just get on the cover of Sports Illustrated a third straight time if the Knicks can beat the Heat.

bitoy

February 24th, 2012, 01:27 AM

Live TV

http://www.tnt.tv/sports/nba/overtime12/?type=2

:lol: TNT had a camera isolated on Lin.

Makauwi na muna...

3cr

February 24th, 2012, 02:35 AM

Ganda ng game! Very exciting and physical game between the Knicks and the Heat so far. The Knicks are still lucky to be down just a few buckets half time (51-47) with the way Miami is playing. So intense - galing ng Defense nila and their offense too boy do they attack the rim with force. Sad to say, so far atleast the Lin/Melo tandem are being way outclassed at this point by the Heat. Lin has been totally pressured / clamped-down and playing quite poorly which was why B. Davis had to come in. Davis sucked too but so far Melo is moving very good and providing points on the board expected from a superstar. The supporting trio of JR Smith/Fields/Novak are also playing very good and contributing quite well. But what has impressed me the most thus far is the Knicks front court of Chandler and Stoudemire especially (he has his legs back). Lin doesn't look like he'll be able to lead/carry the team this time around so I expect Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony to be the ones to carry the Knicks on their backs in second half. Okidoki that's it for now... 2nd half is starting. Go Go Knicks! :banana: :banana: :banana:

IslandSon.PH

February 24th, 2012, 04:33 AM

http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/courtcrusades/files/2012/02/LeBron-James1.jpg
Look at how menacing Lebron stares at Lin's face:lol:

3cr

February 24th, 2012, 04:44 AM

Heat clamp down on Jeremy Lin and the Knicks, win 8th straight
ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320223014

Jeremy Lin was no match for the Miami Heat. Forcing Lin into easily the worst game of his remarkable run as New York's starting point guard by running streams of defenders at him, Miami topped the Knicks 102-88 on Thursday night -- the eighth straight win for the NBA-leading Heat, all of those wins coming by at least 12 points.

Chris Bosh scored 25 points, Dwyane Wade added 22 and LeBron James finished with 20 points, nine rebounds and eight assists for Miami, which will go into the All-Star break with the NBA's best record (27-7).

Lin's final line: 1 for 11 from the field, eight points, three assists -- a far cry from the 23.9 points and 9.2 assists he had been averaging over his first 11 games in the Knicks' rotation, when he breathed immeasurable life into a team that was floundering.

On Thursday, he simply wasn't the same player, turning the ball over eight times. His last miss came with 6 seconds left, the outcome already decided, and he simply walked quietly off the court into the locker room.

Carmelo Anthony led the Knicks with 19 points, with J.R. Smith scoring 14 for New York off the bench.

If proof was needed that the Heat wanted to make a point against Lin, there was some clear evidence.

Exhibit A: Mario Chalmers stole the ball from Lin and went in for a two-handed dunk in the early minutes.
Exhibit B: Norris Cole, Chalmers' backup at point guard, did the same thing in the second quarter.
Combined dunks this season for Chalmers and Cole entering Thursday? Zero.

Those strip-and-scores were part of a six-turnover first half from Lin, matching his third-highest total in any half this season.

The Knicks were outscored 30-16 in the paint, 12-1 on fast breaks and 12-3 off turnovers. Nonetheless, Miami's lead was only 51-47 at the break.

For all the fire the Heat were playing with, the Knicks were up to the task. Steve Novak came off the bench to make all three of his shots -- all from 3-point range -- and New York was right there even though Lin had two assists in the first 1:26 of the game and no others in the final 22:34 of the half.

"The ultimate test," is how D'Antoni described the Heat before the game.

The Heat offered some ultimate moments, too.

James lowered a shoulder into Lin on one of Miami's first fast breaks of the night, sending the guard back about 10 feet. In the second quarter, Wade pounced on a miss by James for a two-handed put-back slam, a play quickly followed by a James dunk -- courtesy of a Lin turnover. On the next Heat possession, Stoudemire accepted a pass from Lin, not seeing Wade get behind him for an easy strip that led to a layup and 43-40 Miami lead.

Back and forth they went, just as everyone wanted.

It was classic Knicks-Heat stuff, just like those playoff battles in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Bodies were flying, tempers were flaring, Tyson Chandler and D'Antoni picked up technicals arguing the same play in the first quarter ... and more than a few Knicks fans who paid big money for tickets -- the average price for the game on the resale markets was over $700, by one estimate -- made their presence known loudly and often.

"It's one game," D'Antoni said. "And we're not there yet. They're there. They're the team right now to beat for everybody. They're playing better than everybody. And we're trying to get our team together."

He's right. They're not there yet.

sun-tex

February 24th, 2012, 01:44 PM

8 points is big for non-draftee especially an asian player, it's lin was the winner then

3cr

February 24th, 2012, 05:50 PM

Dang it was like men playing boys in the 2nd half between Miami and New York! This game exposed the truth/reality that the Knicks' Big 3 could simply not compete at the level of the Heat's Big 3 and so all the more it's going to be even harder to win the NBA title with the team they have now. This Knicks team the way it is will not be able to do/win it even with a supposed depth of players they have on paper. J.Lin is good but too raw to be the lead point guard, perhaps sometime in the future pa. And I'm afraid Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony (even with J.Lin) can not really carry this Knicks team all the way to the Championship. If the ultimate aim/goal is winning the NBA title, the Knicks have got to do something if even just to get pass Miami (a leading contender) but who among the Knicks' players have that kind of trade value to get a player or two of significance that can make a real difference to get NY to the next level (NBA Title) so to speak. Sad truth is si Melo lang talaga ang may malaking trade value so any big trade moves will ultimately have to involve Melo. The only 2 players I would trade Melo for would be the likes of D.Howard of the Orlando Magic or D.Williams of the NJ Nets who can actually help right now and yet still young enough to be future pillars of the team. These are the type of players and the kind of bold moves needed to compete at the elite level. Any way anything can happen especially with the All Star weekend just around the corner and trade deadline fast approaching. Guess we'll see if the Knicks make a move or not... Go Go Knicks!

1100

February 25th, 2012, 02:36 AM

They also need solid bench players. Walker, Jeffries, and the rest are not enough for the Knicks.

3cr

February 25th, 2012, 04:06 AM

They also need solid bench players. Walker, Jeffries, and the rest are not enough for the Knicks.

^^ Yup I agree most of the NY bench players suck and need to get better in a hurry if they are to make a serious run for the championship. Majority of New York's salary cap is distributed between 3 players (Melo $19M, Amare $19M, and Chandler $13M) and the rest of what's left of cap space were used to fill out the team roster which is why they have a rather underperforming bench. The so-called bench is basically a bunch of rental players and the best of which may be JR Smith (good signing). Aside from the Big 3, J.Lin, Fields, Shumpert,and Novak are considered solid players imho though both Fields and Lin are both going to be free agents. If they keep the big 3 the Knicks may lose Fields and/or Lin to free agency which I think will be a big mistake as these two can be part of the Knick's future core; unless of course they can get somebody better. Hard to imagine the Knicks getting pass the Heat (with the way Miami is playing) so NY is not likely going to win an NBA championiship/title this year with this team which is why I think the Knicks really need to make a trade for players of significance that can bring them to the next level and/or free up money / cap space to improve their team. Melo is really the best trade bait NY has at the moment and having that big salary hurts the Knicks anyway. Plus NY needs a catch and shoot / slasher type player and not an iso player like Melo anyway so why not trade him considering Melo's position is the easiest to address either in a trade or free agent signing. And if Melo (plus others/fillers) can net a very good center like D.Howard or a very good point guard like D.Williams for example that will definitely address and cement their center or point guard position now and the future. Moreover if they are able to free up enough cap space they can address bench help through the draft and with free agent signings in a really good free agent market this summer. The way I see it trading Melo while still remaining competitive today plus get even more competitive in the future is a win-win situation for the NY Knicks. Anyway let's see what happens... :) :) :)

Btw just an update... LA Lakers just signed Rasheed Wallace... this may pave the way for a Pau Gasol trade...
Maybe LA lakers will finally agree to trade Gasol and Bynum for D.Howard...

pi_malejana

February 25th, 2012, 07:49 AM

the Knicks' bench are actually pretty deep now.. again they still need more practice to have that chemistry flowing... Bdiddy, Shump, Jeffries, Harrelson, JR, and Novak, that is deep; with Walker, Jordan, and Bibby as mop up duty...

anyway, Fields and Lin are restricted free agents and i don't think Knicks will need to use their MLE on either one of them so big chance both players stay with the knicks next year...

1100

February 25th, 2012, 10:35 AM

pi_malejana

February 25th, 2012, 10:45 AM

It isn't enough. If Bibby and B-Diddy were still young, they have a very good chance. The Knicks also have no steady back-up for Chandler. Jeffries is so undersized at the 5 spot. IIRC, he used to play the 3 back at Washington.

D'Antoni was somewhat able to counter the lack of size last year with his backcourt... i'm sure he can do it again this year with Lin and Smith, Novak to spread the offense a little bit... you also put Amare on 5 and put either Novak or Jeffries at the 4 while Chandler rests... Harrellson can take 4 or 5 spot as well when he gets back; lots of options...:) Bdiddy actually looked good, except for some dumb shot attempts... he's still new to the team so i'm not worried at all... when you compare Knicks' bench with Heat or the Bulls, they're definitely right up there in terms of depth and talent...:2cents:

:cheers:

gmaer

February 25th, 2012, 10:47 AM

1100

February 25th, 2012, 01:40 PM

Every team needs solid bench players. Di lang ang Knicks. Sadyang yun lang talaga ang kanilang weakness so far.

1100

February 25th, 2012, 01:43 PM

D'Antoni was somewhat able to counter the lack of size last year with his backcourt... i'm sure he can do it again this year with Lin and Smith, Novak to spread the offense a little bit... you also put Amare on 5 and put either Novak or Jeffries at the 4 while Chandler rests... Harrellson can take 4 or 5 spot as well when he gets back; lots of options...:) Bdiddy actually looked good, except for some dumb shot attempts... he's still new to the team so i'm not worried at all... when you compare Knicks' bench with Heat or the Bulls, they're definitely right up there in terms of depth and talent...:2cents:

:cheers:

Novak's natural position is the 3. Kahit nung nasa Houston pa siya di siya ginagamit as 4, 3 lang talaga. Harrellson is still young. Undersized pa rin sila sa 4 and 5 positions. The rest, medyo ok na. Malalim na ang PG (eto super deep. 5 PG nila e :nuts:), SG (Smith, Fields, Walker) at SF positions (Melo, Fields, Walker) nila.

3cr

February 25th, 2012, 07:49 PM

Yup I agree most of the NY bench players suck and need to get better in a hurry if they are to make a serious run for the championship. Majority of New York's salary cap is distributed between 3 players (Melo $19M, Amare $19M, and Chandler $13M) and the rest of what's left of cap space were used to fill out the team roster which is why they have a rather underperforming bench. The so-called bench is basically a bunch of rental players and the best of which may be JR Smith (good signing). Aside from the Big 3, J.Lin, Fields, Shumpert,and Novak are considered solid players imho though both Fields and Lin are both going to be free agents. If they keep the big 3 the Knicks may lose Fields and/or Lin to free agency which I think will be a big mistake as these two can be part of the Knick's future core; unless of course they can get somebody better. Hard to imagine the Knicks getting pass the Heat (with the way Miami is playing) so NY is not likely going to win an NBA championiship/title this year with this team which is why I think the Knicks really need to make a trade for players of significance that can bring them to the next level and/or free up money / cap space to improve their team. Melo is really the best trade bait NY has at the moment and having that big salary hurts the Knicks anyway. Plus NY needs a catch and shoot / slasher type player and not an iso player like Melo anyway so why not trade him considering Melo's position is the easiest to address either in a trade or free agent signing. And if Melo (plus others/fillers) can net a very good center like D.Howard or a very good point guard like D.Williams for example that will definitely address and cement their center or point guard position now and the future. Moreover if they are able to free up enough cap space they can address bench help through the draft and with free agent signings in a really good free agent market this summer. The way I see it trading Melo while still remaining competitive today plus get even more competitive in the future is a win-win situation for the NY Knicks. Anyway let's see what happens...

A lose to the Miami Heat shouldn't conclude that these players can't carry the NY Knicks to the finals! And don't you target my Carmelo Anthony for Jeremy Lin because experience wise, Melo is still the better choice! Dwight Howard is too expensive to be dealt for Melo while Deron Williams is too cheap to be dealt for Melo... your trade choices are a MISMATCH!

^^ Oh is that so? I didn't say Melo in a straight one for one trade/deal for D.Howard or D.Williams so of course you'll need to match up the salaries in any trade to be made otherwise you can't do it - that's obvious. What I'm saying is I am for a trade if Melo can net a D.Howard or D.Williams for the Knicks.

You are obviously a Melo fan more so than a Knicks fan (that's fine) and I'm the opposite, I'm a Knicks fan first more so than a Melo fan which is why I'd like the Knicks to get better even if it means letting Melo go. Knicks really bungled the Melo trade imho for trading away so many of their talented young players for Melo who definitely is a superstar but not such a good fit to what the Knicks are trying to do with their core of players as proven by their winning record during Melo's absence. The Knicks actually won 9 games (8 straight) during Melo's absence using the likes of Fields, Novak etc. as replacement so obviously they can play/win without Melo because otherwise the Knicks record would have been so much worse than it is today. Sayang talaga since those young players they traded for Melo would have been starting and/or providing bench help for the Knicks but that's water under the bridge. But all is not lost because Melo still has the best trade value among the current Knicks players so why not try use him to bring in players of significance that will fit better with what tha Knicks are trying to do and help them get to the next level so to speak. There's no chance of an NBA title unless NY actually get pass Miami and they are not going to do it with the team they have now that's for sure. They really need to do something.

Knicks have a lot of their deficiencies exposed in the NJ and Miami games which can now be exploited by other teams as well. When J.Lin is shut down, the Knicks go back to their old ways and end up losing and B.Davis/Bibby are really way past their prime to be lead point or back-up point. NY is still really in need of a very good experienced point guard whom the still raw J.Lin can back up and add to that NY is also in need of a very dominating center to anchor/carry this Knicks team as it's obvious the frontline of Chandler and Amare needs help and Melo at his position can't but Melo's trade value and his $19M salary can indeed be put to better use. Besides getting an excellent center or point guard are positions hard to fill while Melo's position much easier to fill/replace. That's why I said if Melo can net a very good center like D.Howard or a very good point guard like D.Williams for example will be a very good trade for the Knicks because it enables them to address and cement their center or point guard position now and the future and if NY is able to free up enough cap space in the process they can address other needs through the draft and with free agent signings in a really good free agent market this summer. The way I see it trading Melo (I know your beloved Melo) while still remaining competitive today plus a good chance of getting even more competitive in the future is a win-win situation for the NY Knicks (and I'm for that). Anyway let's see what happens.

3cr

February 25th, 2012, 11:07 PM

You want solid bench players but the other guy here wants a solid player out of this team, so ironic!

^^ Hehehe... May sound ironic but actually makes sense really... Melo may be a superstar but not really a difference maker anymore for this Knicks team in the over all scheme of things. By virtue of Melo's good trade value and salary cap impact, Melo can help the Knicks by using him in a trade that can net a player in the caliber of D.Howard or D.Williams, a player of much more signifance/impact, and who can fit better into what the Knicks are currently trying to do (fit a need). And if such a player of caliber traded for Melo starts for the Knicks then who ever is demoted from the current Knicks starting 5 roster (be it J.Lin or T.Chandler for example) will be considered a much better player coming off the bench interms of quality/talent than what they have now in their bench roster. That's how you can actually make this Knicks team better while addressing the much needed bench help in the process. Ironic as it may first sound, a Melo trade makes good sense. Let's not kid ourselves, as much as Melo is a superstar, Melo is still very much replaceable bro, infact the trio of Fields, Shumpert, & Novak during Melo's absence had shown it was actually possible to win with the Knicks winning 9 games (8 straight). If anything that goes to show the Knicks can actually win even without Melo. It's a case of addition by subtraction if you get the drift... :| :| :|

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They also need solid bench players. Walker, Jeffries, and the rest are not enough for the Knicks.

It isn't enough. If Bibby and B-Diddy were still young, they have a very good chance. The Knicks also have no steady back-up for Chandler. Jeffries is so undersized at the 5 spot. IIRC, he used to play the 3 back at Washington.

Novak's natural position is the 3. Kahit nung nasa Houston pa siya di siya ginagamit as 4, 3 lang talaga. Harrellson is still young. Undersized pa rin sila sa 4 and 5 positions. The rest, medyo ok na. Malalim na ang PG (eto super deep. 5 PG nila e :nuts:), SG (Smith, Fields, Walker) at SF positions (Melo, Fields, Walker) nila.

^^ I hear you bro. I agree - Knicks bench/backups to each position are either past their prime, needs experience, and/or under-sized for the position - yup sounds about right to me. As you said needs improvement. I could not agree with you more. Just that except for maybe the JR Smith signing, the other free agents they signed and even the lesser known/played bench players they currently have are a little suspect really. There's quite a big drop-off in their output/production when the Knicks first five are substituted for the 2nd five / bench help which is why it would not surprise me one bit if D'Antoni keeps up with his usual tight 8 player rotation unless the Knicks do something to really make themselves more competitive to make a serious run for the championship (NBA Title). Question is will the Knicks have the guts to make a move. Guess we'll find out soon. Go go Knicks!!!

gmaer

February 26th, 2012, 01:43 AM

3cr

February 26th, 2012, 02:52 AM

Ok if we trade Carmelo Anthony then who will be the best player that can suit up for the NY Knicks and can match Melo's value?

It took how many players to get Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups to the NY Knicks and how many players did NY Knicks get when they dealt Chauncey Billups to the LA Clippers?

The NY Knicks already has a full roster and trading Carmelo Anthony would mean releasing 2 valuable players to free some space and allow more salary cap since the NY Knicks is already near the salary cap when they recently signed-up JR Smith.

Dwight Howard is more expensive than Carmelo Anthony and getting him would mean freeing more salary cap which results to releasing more players which the NY Knicks badly need. Deron Williams is cheaper than Carmelo Anthony but the NY Knicks will not allow a 1-on-1 trade for this, they will definitely ask for more but how? And how about Jeremy Lin's future as a NY Knicks starting PG since Deron Williams is a star point guard? The NY Knicks will also have trouble providing minutes for Baron Davis another PG when he gets healthy.

Therefore it's a bad idea to get rid of my Carmelo Anthony!

^^ The trio of Fields, Shumpert, and Novak have been able to handle the 3-spot in Melo's absence so the platoon can just continue if Melo gets traded. Chauncey was cut by NY when they signed Chandler so I don't think the Knicks got anything for him unfortunately. The Knicks then signed B.Davis when Bibby didn't pan out but was still injured which allowed Linsanity to happen. Lin is good but still pretty raw to be the lead point guard for a supposed contending team. OK Anyway base on Melo's salary, Melo can technically be traded by the Knicks across the river for the following combination of Nets players provided of course the Nets agree to it since it also depends really on how badly NJ still wants Melo and what are they ultimately willing to trade to get him. A Howard trade is not imossible but will take more creativity (several players will have to be involved) among the teams. We're just speculating of course and will leave it to the Knicks Owners & GM to look for actual/real trade partners, possibilities and scenarios.

Here's a sample using NJ Nets as a trade partner...

NY trades Melo (F) to NJ for either of the ff:
(PG) D.Williams + J.Petro (PF/C)
(PG) D.Williams + B.Lopez (C)
(PG) D.Williams + D.Stevens (SG)

If such a trade does happen for example, J.Lin will then come off the bench. Knicks can then release or even put in injured reserve one of their non performing point guards really (like Bibby perhaps or B.Davis if still not well). J.Lin pg future and free agency situation can be addressed later at season's end after all the reason for a Melo trade is to increase the chances of winning an NBA title and if J.Lin has to come off the bench to make a serious run for the championship so be it as this ain't such a bad thing for a newbie pg like J.Lin. It's also not impossible to play both Williams and Lin together in certain situations. Getting Petro or Lopez will definitely help the front line. In the end of the day there's lots of possibilities that they can do with the team provided they have the players to do it with which is key. It's all about having a common goal, buying into a system, deciding on match-ups, who fits, who's hot etc ,and who can actually get you the W's and the NBA title and if it takes a Melo trade to get yourself closer to the ultimate goal, then just do it. That's all I'm saying.

Btw If I remember correctly there was some talk before that the NY Knicks trading T.Chandler (C) and Melo (F) for Orlando Magic's D.Howard (C) and H.Turkoglu (F) or some variance of that was suppose to work out as well cap/salary wise though I don't know if it still is the case now. Tinatamad na to check. Anyway just thought I'd throw in another sample of a Melo trade possibility/scenario that can better the Knicks first 5 & their bench depth as well. Again we're just speculating of course and will leave it to the Knicks Owners & GM to look for actual/real trade partners, possibilities and scenarios.

3cr

February 26th, 2012, 05:50 AM

Final Win-Loss Projections: Knicks projection if they are not to make any trade and roster remains as is...
8th spot Eastern Conference and likely facing Miami Heat... Yikes that's Not Good! :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Final Win-Loss Projections: Knicks
Bleacher Report
As reported by Chris Johnstoneaux
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1079426-jeremy-lin-why-heavy-minutes-not-pressure-will-derail-lins-season#/articles/1073947-final-win-loss-projections-for-every-nba-team-after-the-all-star-game/page/9

NY Knicks

Current Record: 17-18

Games Remaining: 31

Final Prediction: 35-31, Eighth in Eastern Conference

If it weren't for the inspired play of Jeremy Lin, the New York Knicks would already be looking at draft lottery positioning.

The Knicks have been less than impressive considering the players they have on the roster.

It will take a few games for Carmelo Anthony and Jeremy Lin to figure out how to play together.

The Knicks will grab the last playoff spot in the Eastern Conference and be matched up with the Miami Heat.

1100

February 26th, 2012, 06:20 AM

A straight Melo-LeBron trade. :nuts: Syempre so unlikely nyan. :lol:

3cr

February 26th, 2012, 06:29 AM

^^^^ Hehehe..Why not... Libre lang naman ang mangarap di ba! Pero baka di pumayag si gmaer! :lol: :lol: :lol:.

Laker's Gasol is also available. Don't know if Lakers will actually be interested in an Amare trade for Gasol. I'd do that trade in a heartbeat! Hehehe... :lol:

sun-tex

February 26th, 2012, 06:38 AM

si kobe nalang itrade sa new york kapalit kay melo at amare, chandler,kobe,lin,fields yan pang championship

gmaer

February 26th, 2012, 07:23 AM

Deron Williams + 1 player for Carmelo Anthony is not enough to match Melo's value! FYI the NY Knicks got an unhealthy Baron Davis from the LA Clippers and a weakening Mike Bibby when they waived off Chauncey Billups to free up salary cap for the Tyson Chandler acquisition therefore when the NY Knicks 1st got Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups from the Denver Nuggets in a multi-player trade, it appears that Carmelo Anthony's retention means that he was more valuable.

I really doubt if the Syracuse-laden/influenced NY Knicks management will easily approve a Carmelo Anthony trade, a former Syracuse freshman that lead Syracuse University to the NCAA championships. John Wallace was given a 2nd chance by the NY Knicks to play again when the Toronto Raptors released him, why? because he is a Syracuse Alumni.

3cr

February 26th, 2012, 08:10 AM

^^ Ewan ko ba talaga...kasi naman NY Knicks really overpaid for Melo to begin with so there is no chance in hell other teams will pay more than his real worth/value especially now after all he ain't LeBron or Wade or even Kobe for that matter.

Kung tutuusin compared to B.Davis and Bibby, Chauncey Billups was actually the better point guard but he got injured while playing for the Clippers. If memory serves me right B.Davis was actually amnestied/waived by the Clippers because he was an under-achiever and then later signed-up with the Knicks. Billups on the other hand was let go by the Knicks to create salary cap space when they signed Chandler and so it has nothing to do with Chauncey's ability really - it was about freeing cap space really. Chauncey was then picked-up in the waiver line and signed up with the Clippers. In reality they weren't traded for each other, it was just coincidental that they exchanged teams. B.Davis is actually a downgrade not an upgrade. Anyway details details in the end it's pretty much adu about nothing. Anyway I'd just really hate to see the Knicks have an early exit because of sheer stubborness or as you put it loyalty. Sentimental value - Uso pa ba yon? Hehehe... :lol: :lol: :lol:

1100

February 26th, 2012, 08:34 AM

Flashback tayo in the 2010-2011 season.

Baron Davis was traded in the deadline to Cleveland for Mo Williams, Jamario Moon and an unprotected 1st round draft pick which turned out to be Kyrie Irving. Konti lang ang nalaro ni B. Diddy sa Cleveland kasi na-injure din siya.

This season, ginamit ng Cavs yung amnesty clause kay Davis. So Davis got free, and then went to the Knicks.

For Bibby, he was traded to the Wizards for Jordan Crawford and a player I can't remember. He didn't want to play there, so he asked for a buyout of his contract and then went to the Heat. After last season, Miami didn't re-sign him, so he went to the Knicks also.

gmaer

February 26th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Poor Bibby, he was a good 3-point shooter and playmaker.

3cr

February 26th, 2012, 07:47 PM

Ahh Ok so that's how it went. Clippers traded B.Davis to Cleveleand and it was the Cavaliers that amnestied/waived him. Clippers got real good value for Baron who was an underachiever in LA Clipps. Mo Williams is really playing good for the Clippers and signing Billups was also paying dividends for them until he got injured. The combination of Bibby and B.Davis is still a downgrade at pointguard position when the Knicks let go of Billups to be able to get Chandler signed. Thank God this unfortunate situation turned out as a blessing in disguise as this brought about the phenom known as "Linsanity". But Lin is really too raw to be the lead point guard in a supposedly contending team and his back-ups really suck. And when Lin is shut down as shown in the NJ and Miami game, they revert back to their old ways and lose eventually. That was why I was suggesting the trade for NJ's D.Williams so that J.Lin can be a sparkplug of sorts coming off the bench instead of starting. What's good with such a trade is if the Knicks don't think D.Williams is the long term answer for their point guard position and would rather stick with J.Lin instead, they can let D.Williams go by not resigning him and use his salary cap space (that's around $14M+ or more) to sign free agents that can better address the Knicks' need(s) so that they can be more competitive in their quest for an NBA title. And that's not such a bad thing even if Deron walks because that's when you'll get to squeeze out more players out of such a NY Melo trade for D.Williams (+ Lopez or Petro or Stevens) from the Nets. Anyway pampalipas oras lang naman while waiting for the trade deadline to come. March 15 ata if memory serves me right. Go go Knicks!

3cr

February 26th, 2012, 08:59 PM

Just posting some NBA rumors going on around the league that involves the Knicks. It's not just me who acknowledges the fact that Melo is really the only NY player that still has a really good trade value that can net the Knicks some big name players like D.Williams, D.Howard, and P.Gasol. Amare for Gasol would be preferable as both are power-forwards but seems any trade scenario being mentioned so far involves Melo. We'll soon find out if the Knicks stays put or actually goes for a trade.

Knicks Get Their Own Entry In Dwight Howard Trade Rumors
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/26/2825662/dwight-howard-trade-rumors-knicks-carmelo-anthony-jeremy-lin

"I'm positive the Knicks have called just in case Dwight [Howard] changes up," an Eastern Conference GM said. "I'm sure they've offered a combination of everybody, excluding Jeremy Lin, of course. Otis [Smith] deserves a lot of credit for not putting it out on the street which teams have offered what."

Amar'e Stoudemire? Pfft. Carmelo Anthony? Ha! Tyson Chandler? Go ahead. Jeremy Lin is the only untouchable on the Knicks roster? I mean, I know it would be suicidal for the franchise to trade the marketing entity that is Lin.

This rumor does raise an interesting question: Isn't 'Melo a better catch than Brook Lopez at this point? 'Melo is older, more expensive and proving to be a difficult fit, coach-wise. (He does not strike me as a strong Stan Van Gundy match.) But he's a far more productive player than Lopez, and the young center will be getting paid come July. Not 'Melo money, but plenty of money -- maybe $12 million per season.

Anthony and Chandler for Howard and Hedo Turkoglu might be the best non-Andrew Bynum trade we'll see. And wouldn't that be something, for the Knicks to steal Howard from under the Nets' nose, leading to Deron Williams bailing in July?

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Peter Vecsey: Knicks should try trading Anthony to Lakers for Gasol
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/time_for_pau_wow_brmgztKYYdWfjRSX4OTmbN?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsite

A sacrosanct source refutes last week’s Fox report the Lakers and Timberwolves were discussing a trade involving Pau Gasol for Derrick Williams and two draft picks. I’m informed no conversation between the teams has taken place in two months.

Sure, the subject could be revived as the March 15 trade deadline draws near. But bear in mind Los Angeles’ asking price for Gasol last time was Kevin Love.

Still, Gasol admittedly is disconcerted and Kobe Bryant is vocally displeased. Shortly after sucking cactus in the desert, the team leader put the blame for Sunday’s wire-to-wire washout — L.A.’s 11th loss in 16 road games; 0-10 when trailing after the third quarter — squarely where it belongs.

Bryant chided management to either trade Gasol or not.

“I’d rather them not trade him at all, but if they’re going to do something, I wish they would just ... do it,” Bryant stated. “If they’re not going to do it, come out and say you’re not going to do it. This way, he can be comfortable ... and can invest all of himself into the game. You can’t have one of our pillars not knowing if he’s going to be here or not. Do something. One way or another, do something.”

How does a Carmelo Anthony-Gasol swap sound?

You can never have enough. Especially established ones! Moreover, have you seen Amar’e Stoudemire lately, like this season, before and after a week off due to his brother’s death?

Stoudemire’s liftoff is lacking.

“He is looking like a 6-10 Mike Bibby,” column curmudgeon Phillip Marmanillo cruelly cracks. “Where is the explosion? He’s not Moses Malone, or Paul Silas. Stat is not a wily player who knows how to use his weight and position. Without explosion he’s Jared Jeffries without the defense. What happened to the 18-foot jump shot?”

In contrast, have you seen Gasol pass? Have you seen his footwork in the post and ability to shoot with either hand? Think anybody would worry about his faculties fitting in with Jeremy Lin?

Kobe would love an Anthony for Gasol trade, that’s for sure. Melo probably wouldn’t mind it all that much, either.

And who doesn’t love Landry Fields and Steve Novak at small forward the way things were working — until last night, that is, when the Nets exploited the rusty return of Anthony (4-for-11 in field goals, six assists, six turnovers, 37 minutes), Barron Davis’ docile debut and the payback dynamic for a punishing 100-92 victory.

gmaer

February 27th, 2012, 08:13 AM

^^ You really want Brooklyn-born Carmelo Anthony out of the NY Knicks!

snifruz

February 28th, 2012, 01:52 AM

wrong post

Deebo.

February 28th, 2012, 02:02 AM

I want melo out of new york as well...i dont know what player the knicks could get for him tho

snifruz

February 28th, 2012, 06:23 AM

Talagang nangangamoy juan tamad ang player lalo na kapag malaki ang bayad sa yo ng team. Ganyan ang nangyayari sa PBA lalong lalo na sa NBA na dolyares ang sweldo.

1100

February 28th, 2012, 02:53 PM

^^ You really want Brooklyn-born Carmelo Anthony out of the NY Knicks!

IMO, hindi na kasi ganung ka-explosive si Melo just like when he was still at Denver. The Knicks is just heading to a wayward path right now.

sun-tex

February 28th, 2012, 03:32 PM

Lakers na si melo para magkaroon ng magandang laro, itrade si blake,barnes,at 2 pa, iretain si gasol,bynum,fisher,kobe,world peace,at walton

3cr

February 28th, 2012, 09:06 PM

Si Melo kasi ang may trade value kanya siya ang laging tinutukoy kapag trades ang pinag-uusapan. Kung tutuusin si Amare at Melo eh halos pareho ang style ng laro - scorer sila kanya panay opensa at walang dipensa kung maglaro. Parehong hindi na rin kasing explosive ang dalawa gaya ng dati pero atleast si Amare eh nakita na natin natututong maglaro kasama ni Lin at Chandler. Si Melo wait and see pa rin hanggang ngayon kaso based on his history hindi siya ang type magbabago para sa team - mas gusto niya yung team magbabago sa kanya kanya tingin ko mahirapan talaga siya mag-gel. Di ko lang kasi magets, matagal na rin namang magkateam mate sina Carmelo at Amare (around 60+ games they played together) at meron na rin naman silang gelling time kalaro din yung ibang team mates nila pero hanggang ngayon parang walang chemistry masyado si Amare at Melo sa isat-isa at sa tingin ko kung hanggang ngayon wala pa rin chemistry si Melo at Amare, ano pa kaya at nadagdagan pa ni Chandler at Lin?

Kung lagi na lang kasi gelling time ang irarason sa bawat may bagong ka-team mate si Amare at Melo, kaganong katagal na panahon pa kaya kakailanganin nila. Papano pa kaya sila magiging competitive in time niyan para makipaglaban sa NBA title lalo na palapit na ng palapit na ang katapusan ng NBA season. Tingin ko naman kasi si Amare at Melo baka di talaga compatible kasi their style is so similar to one another kanya kung hanggang ngayon wala pa rin silang chemistry, hindi na talaga sila mag-gegel. Atleast nakita natin maganda ang chemistry nina Lin, Chandelr at Amare pati na yung ibang Knicks players nuong wala si Melo at nananalo sila ng wala si Melo eh baka lang masira pa itong chemistry na namumuo sa pagpipilitang i-gel si Melo sa team na ito. Tingin ko di na si Melo ang kailangang player ng team na ito kasi hindi na naman isolation plays ang laro ng Knicks ngayon kanya baka masmaganda i-trade na lang siya kapalit ng iba na mas compatible at makakatulong sa Knicks team maging mas competitive para makamit ninanasang NBA title.

1100

February 29th, 2012, 11:19 AM

Lakers na si melo para magkaroon ng magandang laro, itrade si blake,barnes,at 2 pa, iretain si gasol,bynum,fisher,kobe,world peace,at walton

Pakawalan na nila si Walton at World Peace. Napaka-disastrous ng seasong ng dalawang player na yan ngayon.

3cr

February 29th, 2012, 09:11 PM

^^ Lakers and Celtics are getting old and less competitive so they need to get better to make a run for the title. Lakers is still trying to see if they can trade Gasol and Bynum for D.Howard though the Lakers also badly need a pointguard kasi mabagal na si Fisher. Pinag-uusapan ngayon LA's Gasol for Rondo (+ combi of Bass, Wilcox or O'neal) of the Celtics, or trade a first round draft pick plus other players to Phoenix for the Sun's Nash, or a smaller trade involving that ex-Knicks pointguard Felton who is now with Portland. Timberwolves' Michael Beasley din daw tinatarget ng Lakers in exchange for some minor Laker players or for the draft pick they got from Dallas in the Odom trade. Teams are starting to fortify their arsenal before the trade deadline to make a run for the NBA championship. Wonder what the Knicks will do to make their team better to make the run for the title. Gues we'll see by March 15th.

3cr

March 1st, 2012, 04:16 AM

Knicks beat the Cavs 120-103. Melo led with 22 points and Lin with 19 in a nicely balanced game by the Knicks! These are the games they need to win while honing their chemistry in preparation for better competition.

gmaer

March 2nd, 2012, 08:52 AM

I want melo out of new york as well...i dont know what player the knicks could get for him tho

With the NY Knicks current roster and salary cap... There is none! Dream on haters coz my Melo will stay in his HOME state.

IMO, hindi na kasi ganung ka-explosive si Melo just like when he was still at Denver. The Knicks is just heading to a wayward path right now.

What to expect from a player who just came from injury? But in his game against the Cavaliers he scored more points than Jeremy Lin.

Deebo.

March 2nd, 2012, 07:52 PM

With the NY Knicks current roster and salary cap... There is none! Dream on haters coz my Melo will stay in his HOME state.

Either melo or amare will be traded at some point...amare is making 18 million a year for less productivity than last year...he is not dominating in the middle like he used to, trade him and get younger talents sorrounding lin

3cr

March 2nd, 2012, 08:14 PM

I want melo out of new york as well...i dont know what player the knicks could get for him tho

Here's an interesting tidbit... The Knicks over 2010-2011 & 2011-2012 seasons are above .500 when Carmelo Anthony is not playing with the team and are below .500 when he does play. That stat alone is very telling of just how well Melo fits in with this Knicks team. Amare and Melo has more than 60+ games playing together under their belt and have not gelled yet up to now so what more with the addition of Lin and Chandler added to the mix. Amare has shown he can gel with Lin, Chandler & other Knicks players resulting in 9 wins (8 straight) during Melo's absence. Jeremy Lin who was inserted into the starting lineup won 8 of their first 9 without much "gel" time needed playing along the other Knicks players and now Melo returns, they lost what 2 of 4, and the excuse for this poor performance is more "gel" time is needed? Melo a vet actually needs more gel time than a newbie PG? Really? Just how much gel time does Melo need? How come they didnt need gel time to get Lin, Shumpert, Fields, Amare, Chandler playing together as a winning team? That's what I find so comical about this Melo situation. If Melo is not going to be part of the solution, then just trade him for somebody who can make a real difference for this Knicks team.

Either melo or amare will be traded at some point...amare is making 18 million a year for less productivity than last year...he is not dominating in the middle like he used to, trade him and get younger talents sorrounding lin

Though both make about the same, Amare doesn't have good trade value right now which is really why it's Melo that's always mentioned in trade talks as the trade deadline approaches. All I know is Melo and Amare are just too similar type of player really (scorers with no defense) that it becomes hard for this two to ever really gel with one another and this is a detriment to what the Knicks are trying to accomplish with their team. And to have both of them actually play together as part of the Knicks' first five makes it even worse because not only do they have the tendency to want the ball (being scorers) they end up not being able to defend well on the other end even if their lives depend on it. And it's common knowledge that NBA championships are actually won more so on defense and not as much on offense which is why the Knicks need to make a decision by trade deadline if they want to continue being mediocre or be competitive to battle for the NBA Title. Miami on the otherhand, now that's an NBA championship team right there!

Miami pa rin ako.. !!!

Galing nila heheheh

Sobrang galing nga ng Miami ngayon they are head and above better than the rest of the East teams. Miami and Chicago are considered the top dogs in the East though the Bulls is a big question mark with Rose's back, Hamilton's injury, and Boozer not being the same beast he was and compare that to how Miami's big three of LeBron, Wade, & Bosh is gelling and playing with so much chemistry and intensity, the Heat will really be hard to beat for sure. Unless other East teams make some trade to make themselves better or if (huwag naman sana mangyari) Lebron/Wade gets injured, it's not hard to predict Miami will definitely take the East. Sobrang galing nila mukhang walang makakatalo sa kanila sa Eastern Conference Finals.

Deebo.

March 3rd, 2012, 04:20 AM

A trade that i would like to see is amare to golden state for david lee...he will fit the knicks offense perfectly....throw in a couple of players to make the salary match....

gaLj

March 3rd, 2012, 04:46 AM

A trade that i would like to see is amare to golden state for david lee...he will fit the knicks offense perfectly....throw in a couple of players to make the salary match....

GSW is not that stupid to trade David lee for an injury laden Amare Stoudemire.

3cr

March 3rd, 2012, 05:02 AM

^^ Yup True true and not to mention the new ownership has a big man crush on David Lee who is playing so very well for the Warriors along side Monta. On the other hand Biedrins is the guy I want out of Golden State... Takers anyone? Hehehe... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually Amare has a scary looking contract which makes it really hard for NY to trade him especially with his history of knee problems.

From The Bleacherreport.com
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089351-2012-nba-trade-deadline-should-the-portland-trail-blazers-re-tool-or-reboot#/articles/1080747-nba-trade-speculation-10-players-whose-trade-value-is-plummeting/page/8

Amar'e Stoudemire, New York Knicks

2011-2012 Per Game Statistics

Points: 17.5

Rebound: 8

Assists: 1.3

Field Goal Percentage: 44.7

Minutes: 33.8

Despite being one of the top players in the league over the last several years, it would be extremely difficult to trade Amar'e Stoudemire.

In addition to his numbers being down, there is no way that most teams in the league can afford to pay the approximately $83 million left on his contract over the next several years.

With that contract and a history of knee problems, the Knicks are committed to Amare for the long term, as other NBA teams will not be willing to give up an equal value for him.

Deebo.

March 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM

GSW is not that stupid to trade David lee for an injury laden Amare Stoudemire.

Amare is hardly injured...dude averaged twenty something point per game last year...if he was injury prone why would the knick sign him to that big ass deal.....melo was injured so was amare...it is part of the game....dont give me injury prone like he is greg oden :lol:

3cr

March 3rd, 2012, 06:25 AM

^^ OK lang yan bro... Golden State may have the ex-Knick power forward David Lee but the Knicks now have ex-Warrior point guard Jeremy Lin naman! Hehehe... :lol: :lol: :lol:

According to this research article instead of Melo, what the Knicks actually need is a multi-faceted, high scoring wing player, with high assists for his position and a great 3-point shooter as well... In regards to Amare, atleast the combination of Amare and Chandler kinda makes up for that dominant center talked about in the said article. If the Knicks trade Melo in order to assemble these types as the best on their team, NY is going to put themselves in the best position to win more games if you believe in Sports Analytics.

Building an NBA team at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference
Sporting News
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-03-02/ssac-sloan-sports-analytics-conference-new-york-knicks-jeremy-lin

Jeremy Lin is a 7. Ideally, the Knicks would have him playing with an 8 and a 12. Instead, he is with a 2 and a 5, and the result is likely to be a pretty good but not great Knicks team.

This is according to a research paper by Robert Ayer of MIT, presented here at the annual Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Ayer went through every NBA season since 1977 and broke down what combinations of top players on a team’s roster had the biggest impact on a team’s winning percentage—you could have an incredibly talented Top 3—say, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose on your team, Ayer pointed out, but that combination of three star point guards would not help you win more games than expected.

A team built around players with the characteristics of Carmelo Anthony, Jeremy Lin and Amare Stoudemire tend not to overachieve.

What Ayer found was the best combination for any team’s Top 3 players is a high-scoring, high-assist, high-turnover point guard (Ayer grouped players into “clusters,” and those players were Cluster 7); a, “multi-faceted, high scoring wing, with high assists for his position and a great 3-point shooter” (Cluster 8); and a dominant center (Cluster 12).

Over the years, teams that had that grouping—Ayer points to the 2009 Orlando Magic team that went to the Finals with point guard Jameer Nelson, small forward Hedo Turkoglu and center Dwight Howard—tended to overachieve by a dramatic coefficient (plus-13.6).

The next best grouping was a Cluster 8 small forward, a Cluster 12 big man and a Cluster 10 player, a power forward focused on defense and rebounding, in the vein of Dennis Rodman or P.J. Brown. That group’s coefficient was plus-5.4, emphasizing just how much good the “7-8-12” group is. “If you have those three types as the best on your team, you’re going to be in the best position to win more games,” Ayer said.

Seeing team-building through the prism of Ayer’s research could also help explain the Lakers’ willingness to trade Pau Gasol. L.A. is hoping that its center, Andrew Bynum, will develop into a “12,” that rare dominant center. The best players to pair with a center of that type are Cluster 10 dirty-work power forward or a Cluster 8 versatile small forward of the Paul Pierce type. Keeping Bynum with an offense-minded power forward is fine because both players are talented, but that combination does not push a team above its expected win mark.

The same can be said for Lin’s Knicks. A point guard who can post the kind of numbers we’ve seen from Lin over the past month does best with a versatile small forward and a dominant center. Instead, Lin has a scoring small forward and a scoring power forward who is not a good rebounder. That combination does not register as one that has a significant impact on winning. That doesn’t mean the Knicks can’t have some success this year—it just means that a Big Three of Lin, Stoudemire and Anthony, based on statistical history, isn’t likely to exceed expectations.

gmaer

March 3rd, 2012, 07:00 AM

David Lee originally came from the NY Knicks and it was a big mistake releasing/trading him.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.168755!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

1100

March 3rd, 2012, 07:30 AM

He wasn't re-signed because the Knicks were chasing James....ay este Shames :nuts:..... in the FA Bonanza of 2010. And we all know what happened.

gaLj

March 3rd, 2012, 07:43 AM

Amare is hardly injured...dude averaged twenty something point per game last year...if he was injury prone why would the knick sign him to that big ass deal.....melo was injured so was amare...it is part of the game....dont give me injury prone like he is greg oden :lol:

A repaired knee is like a ticking bomb waiting to explode.

Regarding Greg Oden, Portland knew that he had bad knees but they still decide to pick him instead of Durant. Before he applied in the draft, he destroyed Joakim Noah and Al Horford (teammates) in every single match they had during their college days. Knowing what he is capable of - it's really hard to pass on him because he has lots of potential and a true center which is hard to find nowadays.

Back to Amare

He average 20+ per game last year because he is the prime receiver of Raymond Felton passes and their line-up is very balance compared to what they had right now. Now they have too many offensive options, he turns out to be a redundant to the team.

1100

March 3rd, 2012, 11:40 AM

It's good to have many offensive options.

Deebo.

March 3rd, 2012, 01:03 PM

Back to Amare

He average 20+ per game last year because he is the prime receiver of Raymond Felton passes and their line-up is very balance compared to what they had right now. Now they have too many offensive options, he turns out to be a redundant to the team.

All i am saying is that amare is a guy that can average 20+ and 8rebs a game...7 out of his 10 season he has averaged 20+ and 8+....so that may be attractive to other teams....most teams will pick amare over david lee anyday

3cr

March 3rd, 2012, 08:54 PM

He average 20+ per game last year because he is the prime receiver of Raymond Felton passes and their line-up is very balance compared to what they had right now. Now they have too many offensive options, he turns out to be a redundant to the team.

It's good to have many offensive options.

Well it is a good situation only if these offensive minded players also play D (defense) on the other end of the court which unfortunately Melo and Amare don't do much of really most of the time they're on the court. They have the scorer's mentality that so much of their game and effort is really more concentrated on their offense. Melo and Amare are pretty similar type a player really (all offense and no defense) and perhaps which is why one of our posters (gaLj) mentioned them as redundant players in this Knicks team and if that is not bad enough, what makes matters worse, Melo and Amare are actually part of the Knicks' first five so 2 of the Knicks starting 5 on the court doesn't do D which is really a disadvantage going in. When you have one player not doing D is bad enough so just imagine if you have 2 players that don't do D if their lives depended on it? Hard to win games that way if the main basis/strategy is merely outscoring the opponent. When Melo was out due to injury, NY was actually a much more balanced team then and proof is that the Lin led Knicks actually excelled by winning 9 games (8 straight) with Amare, Chandler, and the platoon/trio of Shumpert, Fields and Novak actually playing D aside from their usual scoring output which only goes to show the Knicks can win even without Melo, perhaps even better off without Melo since it took them no gel time at all to fire on all cylinders. And then there's the lingering question about compatibility. This situation of forcing Melo and Amare to gel if they have not gelled after more than 60+ games together (just because front office would not admit their mistake in player choice when they were so desperate to get a superstar or two in NY) only becomes a detriment instead of a solution for the Knicks in their quest for an NBA title. In the Finals, it's the big D - Defense - that mostly win games and not so much offense. And with such a big gapping hole in the Knicks armour (the lack of defense from Amare and Melo), I can't help but consider this Knicks team mediocre still and not even near Miami or Chicago level to seriously compete in the East Championship much more battle for the NBA title. I really just don't see it happening with this current line-up.

1100

March 4th, 2012, 03:48 AM

I can't blame the front office if Melo particularly requested their team.

3cr

March 4th, 2012, 07:02 PM

Let's see how the up-start Knicks do against an aging Celtics team. Game starts in a few. Let's hope for the best! Go Knicks! :banana: :banana: :banana:

3cr

March 4th, 2012, 10:21 PM

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: Boston wins in Over Time 115-111. Dang close but no cigar. No sugar coating the fact that this ugly game could have just as easily been snatched away by the Knicks from the Celtics but they didn't. Melo's solid effort in the 4th Quarter wasted in another New York loss. Boston pointguard Rajon Rondo outplayed Melo and the Knicks with a record setting triple double - 18 pts, 20 assists, & an amazing career high 17 rebounds. Man if they can't even beat an aging Boston Celtics team, wonder how the Knicks can possibly beat the Bulls and the Heat in the Eastern conference finals, what more to battle for the NBA title. Knicks really need to do something and make hard decisions by trade deadline if they want to continue being mediocre or be competitive to battle for the NBA Title.

Deebo.

March 4th, 2012, 10:42 PM

3cr

March 4th, 2012, 11:32 PM

^^ Actually I have to say Rondo outplayed each and every Knicks position player, including Melo, with his stellar performance tonight. His spectacular 18 pts, 20 assists and 17 rebound performance is the reason Boston won tonight. If 18 points and 20 assists is not amazing enough, dang point guard getting 17 rebounds just shows how dominating he was. And in regards to Melo, he may have had a solid offensive showing tonight but a loss is still a loss no matter how good he was which brings up another point. Despite Melo's stellar offensive performance tonight, the Knicks still lost which is very telling since it's actually winning that counts in the end. Why is it that when Melo plays, the team has compiled a losing record while when he was out, the Knicks had a winning record? The Knicks over 2010-2011 & 2011-2012 seasons are above .500 when Melo is not playing with the team and below .500 when he does play. That stat alone is very telling of just how well Melo fits or should I say does not fit in with this Knicks team. Melo's offensive effort/output does not translate into a winning record for the Knicks, not yet atleast, and ironically in the NBA Finals it's the big D - Defense - that mostly win games and NBA titles which Melo does not do enough of. And that's the sad truth.

1100

March 5th, 2012, 12:25 AM

Lakers win, 93-83, against the Heat.

3cr

March 5th, 2012, 01:48 AM

^^ And in turn the Knicks recently beat the Lakers - and Oh yes that is without Melo right? Hehehe... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's a little tidbit... Knicks won 9 games (8 straight) with Melo out of the line-up due to injury and now the Knicks have already lost 3 out of 5 games since Melo returned to the line-up from injury. And I thought Melo was suppose to help this Knicks team win an NBA title? Maybe not... record speaks for itself... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

gmaer

March 5th, 2012, 06:44 AM

Stop attacking Carmelo Anthony!

No he outplayed lin....not melo.

Right! Melo is not a point guard

I can't blame the front office if Melo particularly requested their team.

He is from Syracuse like most of the NY Knicks front office

It's good to have many offensive options.

I agree

^^ And in turn the Knicks recently beat the Lakers - and Oh yes that is without Melo right? Hehehe... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's a little tidbit... Knicks won 9 games (8 straight) with Melo out of the line-up due to injury and now the Knicks have already lost 3 out of 5 games since Melo returned to the line-up from injury. And I thought Melo was suppose to help this Knicks team win an NBA title? Maybe not... record speaks for itself... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

What happens if Jeremy Lin gets injured?

3cr

March 5th, 2012, 07:24 AM

^^ It is going to be a big problem if J.Lin gets injured because Baron is not in his "Golden State" of mind like abilities like during the "We Believe" days with the Warriors, far from it. Even when J.Lin plays poorly or is shut down by the other team, you can see how much the Knicks struggle and that's why I've been pushing for a Melo for D.Williams (+ fillers) trade for the longest time. All Star Melo stays in New York (with the Brooklyn Nets) and NY Knicks gets an All Star in D.Williams who can either be the lead point guard with Lin and Baron backing him up or slide D.Will to the 2 as he is big enough and have Lin or Baron start. And eventhough D.Williams is listed as a PG, he is a potent scorer much like Melo (in fact he had 57 pts tonite) and can easily replace Melo's scoring output while doing other things exceptionally well such as in assists and in defense which Melo does not do much of as he is basically a scoring small forward. Small forward duties can then be put back in the willing and able hands of the trio/platoon of Shumpert, Fields, and Novak who have excelled during Melo's absence. S.Guard will then be D.Williams & JR Smith. Front line is basically as is with Amare at PF and Chandler at Center with Jeffries and whoever frontline help they get from the Nets backing up the position.

pi_malejana

March 5th, 2012, 07:34 AM

^^ without Melo we wouldn't even be in this game.. teams are now beginning to shut down Lin, Amare is on the decline, Novak can't create his own shot, Fields is useless... and without Lin, Melo and Shumpert are the only ones that can truly create their own shot... B Diddy was good today (minus the TOs); in fact the bench beat the starters today in terms of plus/minus...

3cr

March 5th, 2012, 08:14 AM

^^ No doubt Melo played well and put the Knicks back in the game tonite but regardless of Melo's performance tonite, it was still a loss so all that effort was really for nothing because in the end of the day what matters is team wins, not individual stellar performance, which brings up another point. Why is it that despite of Melo's stellar offensive outbursts with the Knicks that the team has compiled a losing record when Melo actually plays while when he was out, the Knicks had a winning record? The Knicks over 2010-2011 & 2011-2012 seasons are above .500 when Melo was/is not playing with the team and below .500 when he did/does play. Here's another, the Knicks won 9 games (8 straight) with Melo out of the line-up due to injury and now the Knicks have already lost 3 out of 5 games since Melo returned to the line-up from injury. And I thought Melo was suppose to help this Knicks team win an NBA title? Maybe not. The stat alone is very telling of just how well Melo fits or should I say does not fit in with this Knicks team. Simply put Melo's offensive effort/output does not translate into a winning record for the Knicks, not yet atleast.

But all is not lost because Melo is really the only Knick that has serious trade value (while Amare on the other hand not really) which is why any trade talks involving the Knicks will have to include Melo and that's not a bad thing really given the reasons mentioned already. That's why for me D.Williams is a really good candidate for the Knicks should NY finally decide to trade Melo for somebody else. D.Will can play both point and shooting guard positions, can defend, can assist, and can easily replace Melo's scoring output (D.Will had 57 pts. tonite). The trio of Shumpert, Fields, and Novak have played so well during Melo's absence in which the Knicks won 9 games (8 straight) while Melo was out and I see them only growing tenfold into the role. Plus Melo can't play PF anyway so it's not like he can replace Amare at that position if Amare is in the decline. Besides, Amare has shown to play better without Melo and have gelled nicely with J.Lin, T.Chandler and the others already. On the otherhand Melo does not really make the other Knicks players around him perform better like J.Lin can which is why even if Melo has a stellar performance, it doesn't necessarily translate into a Knicks win. That's the difference - Synergy: The performance of the whole (Knicks team) is better than sum of its individual parts. Playing true team basketball - that's the simplest explanation like the Knicks have shown how they can actually win without Carmelo. Melo is a talented player no doubt but being able to acquire an all star talent and team player like D.Williams is no slouch either to have in this Knicks team and I think he is a better fit than Melo as well. Let's see if the Knicks will have the guts to make such a trade to make a run for the title.

pi_malejana

March 5th, 2012, 08:49 AM

^^ was it Melo's fault Douglas can't hit anything this year?? was it Melo's fault Jeffries can't finish a lay-up?? was it Melo's fault Shump got injured vs Celtics?? was it Melo's fault Amare can't get a jumper to go??

with the lineup that we had earlier this season: Douglas, Walker, Amare, Melo, Fields, do you really expect to be a .500 team?? Douglas isn't a true PG, Walker is a scrub, Amare lost his explosiveness, Fields isn't the same as last year, etc...

anyway, let's look at the last 5 games then... vs NJ, Deron was playing with a chip in his shoulder, Melo just got back, and they played Lin very well... vs Atlanta, Lin and Davis and Melo all played well, Novak hit 5 threes... vs Miami, very good team, Lin struggled, poor play by Amare and Fields... vs Cavs, good game by Lin and Melo, Novak again with the 5 threes... vs Celtics, Lin struggled, Fields was useless... now tell me, was it solely Melo's fault that we lost 3 of these games; and likewise, was he unproductive in those 2 wins??

i ain't even worried by today's game, Allen, KG, Pierce, Rondo, all played 40+ mins, and Rondo had an 18/17/20 game and they barely beat us in the Overtime...

3cr

March 5th, 2012, 09:59 AM

was it Melo's fault Douglas can't hit anything this year?? was it Melo's fault Jeffries can't finish a lay-up?? was it Melo's fault Shump got injured vs Celtics?? was it Melo's fault Amare can't get a jumper to go??

with the lineup that we had earlier this season: Douglas, Walker, Amare, Melo, Fields, do you really expect to be a .500 team?? Douglas isn't a true PG, Walker is a scrub, Amare lost his explosiveness, Fields isn't the same as last year, etc...

anyway, let's look at the last 5 games then... vs NJ, Deron was playing with a chip in his shoulder, Melo just got back, and they played Lin very well... vs Atlanta, Lin and Davis and Melo all played well, Novak hit 5 threes... vs Miami, very good team, Lin struggled, poor play by Amare and Fields... vs Cavs, good game by Lin and Melo, Novak again with the 5 threes... vs Celtics, Lin struggled, Fields was useless... now tell me, was it solely Melo's fault that we lost 3 of these games; and likewise, was he unproductive in those 2 wins??

i ain't even worried by today's game, Allen, KG, Pierce, Rondo, all played 40+ mins, and Rondo had an 18/17/20 game and they barely beat us in the Overtime...

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Hehehe... I think you just made my point (no pun intended) that the Point Guard position is indeed what ultimately will make or break this resurging New York Knicks team and heaven forbid something happens to J.Lin who in reality is still simply too raw to be the lead point guard and Baron will not cut it really. Besides Billups and Melo were together in NY last year so who do you blame for Melo's losing record with the Knicks last year? The Knicks over 2010-2011 & 2011-2012 seasons are above .500 when Carmelo Anthony is not playing with the team and are below .500 when he does play. 2 separate NBA seasons 2 very much the same trend. Coincidence? I think not.

J.Lin who was inserted into the Melo-less Knicks starting line-up won 8 of their first 9 without much "gel" time needed playing along the other Knicks players and now Melo returns, they lost what 3 of 5, and the excuse for this poor performance is what? More "gel" time if not other player's fault? Gimme a break. Melo a vet actually needs more gel time than a newbie PG? Really? Just how much gel time does Melo need? How come they didnt need gel time to get Lin, Shumpert, Fields, Amare, Chandler playing in all cylinders together as a winning team? That's what I find so comical about this Melo situation. Knicks doesn't need Melo to win and here we are trying to gel Melo to win? If Melo is not going to be part of the solution, then just trade him for somebody who can make a real difference for this Knicks team. That's why I've been suggesting a Melo for D.Willams (+ fillers) trade.

Oh btw were we watching the same game? Wasn't it the other way around? That it was actually the Celtics that let the Knicks come back in the game but failed to finish off the Celts? If this current Knicks team can't even beat/put-out an aging Celtics team, it will be delusional to think this team will be good enough to seriously compete with the likes of the Bulls and the Heat for the Eastern conference finals, much more battle for an NBA title. Knicks really need to look hard within themselves and decide by trade deadline if they want to continue being mediocre or be competitive to battle for the NBA Title. And that's the bottom line.

pi_malejana

March 5th, 2012, 10:36 AM

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Hehehe... I think you just made my point (no pun intended) that the Point Guard position is indeed what ultimately will make or break this resurging New York Knicks team and heaven forbid something happens to J.Lin who in reality is still simply too raw to be the lead point guard and Baron will not cut it really. Besides Billups and Melo were together in NY last year so who do you blame for Melo's losing record with the Knicks last year? The Knicks over 2010-2011 & 2011-2012 seasons are above .500 when Carmelo Anthony is not playing with the team and are below .500 when he does play. 2 separate NBA seasons 2 very much the same trend. Coincidence? I think not.

uhm chemistry??:D they traded basically half of their team so nobody should be expecting a championship caliber team right away.. but i have to admit that it was a poor performance in that series against the Celtics (then again, Billups got injued, Amare had back spasms)...

J.Lin who was inserted into the Melo-less Knicks starting line-up won 8 of their first 9 without much "gel" time needed playing along the other Knicks players and now Melo returns, they lost what 3 of 5, and the excuse for this poor performance is what? More "gel" time if not other player's fault? Gimme a break. Melo a vet actually needs more gel time than a newbie PG? Really? Just how much gel time does Melo need? How come they didnt need gel time to get Lin, Shumpert, Fields, Amare, Chandler playing in all cylinders together as a winning team? That's what I find so comical about this Melo situation. Knicks doesn't need Melo to win and here we are trying to gel Melo to win? If Melo is not going to be part of the solution, then just trade him for somebody who can make a real difference for this Knicks team. That's why I've been suggesting a Melo for D.Willams (+ fillers) trade.

it was easier for Lin to adjust because he's a PG.. when he came in, he was the one holding the ball more than 50% of the time, so he can orchestrate or make shots for himself... that's what D'Antoni's system is anyway--it's like do what you want out there and Lin credited that philosophy in his recent success... Melo, oth, wanted Lin to create shots/spaces for him and the others.. when you watched the games vs Atlanta and Cavs, the chemistry was there; Lin got his shots, and Melo got his too... as i pointed out, the losses were a combination of different factors and not just Melo's play...

Oh btw were we watching the same game? Wasn't it the other way around? That it was actually the Celtics that let the Knicks come back in the game but failed to finish off the Celts? If this current Knicks team can't even beat/put-out an aging Celtics team, it will be delusional to think this team will be good enough to seriously compete with the likes of the Bulls and the Heat for the Eastern conference finals, much more battle for an NBA title. Knicks really need to look hard within themselves and decide by trade deadline if they want to continue being mediocre or be competitive to battle for the NBA Title. And that's the bottom line.

Knicks led by 12 in the 2nd quarter and 5 by halftime... Lin and Melo got into foul trouble and Celtics tightened their defense, we let them come back in the game, then we fought back... Lin and Melo scored 12 of Knicks' last 14 points in the quarter...

again just one game and people are making it like it's the end of the world... we can beat the Celtics and we match-up well with the Bulls, i'm only worried about the Heat really..

:cheers:

3cr

March 5th, 2012, 09:02 PM

uhm chemistry??:D they traded basically half of their team so nobody should be expecting a championship caliber team right away.. but i have to admit that it was a poor performance in that series against the Celtics (then again, Billups got injued, Amare had back spasms)...

it was easier for Lin to adjust because he's a PG.. when he came in, he was the one holding the ball more than 50% of the time, so he can orchestrate or make shots for himself... that's what D'Antoni's system is anyway--it's like do what you want out there and Lin credited that philosophy in his recent success... Melo, oth, wanted Lin to create shots/spaces for him and the others.. when you watched the games vs Atlanta and Cavs, the chemistry was there; Lin got his shots, and Melo got his too... as i pointed out, the losses were a combination of different factors and not just Melo's play...

Knicks led by 12 in the 2nd quarter and 5 by halftime... Lin and Melo got into foul trouble and Celtics tightened their defense, we let them come back in the game, then we fought back... Lin and Melo scored 12 of Knicks' last 14 points in the quarter...

again just one game and people are making it like it's the end of the world... we can beat the Celtics and we match-up well with the Bulls, i'm only worried about the Heat really..

:cheers:

^^ I hope you are right, I really do, after all in the end of the day as Knicks fans all we want really is for the Knicks to win and contend. We just have a different approach as to how to achieve it. Just that the way I see it when J.Lin is shut down or is playing badly, the Knicks revert to their old ways and eventually lose despite of Melo's stellar offensive performance like what happened in the Celts game for example. Aside from Melo's scoring outburst on the 4th, what I can really attribute to the Knicks comeback in that Celts game is the fact the Knicks bench/2nd five performed at an over all level that beat the Knicks starters /1st five especially because they actually played D (defense) which the 1st five didn't do as much of and that's what I find as the Knick's big weakness, chink on that armour if you will - "The Failure to Defend". Instead what I see the current first five (with Melo) often do is try to win games by simply outscoring the opponent which they have been able to do with the weaker teams but not with the elite ones. And unlike the Knicks young players like Shumpert, Fields, & Novak who not only score but actually do D, Melo and Amare don't do much D really as much as they shoot the ball most of the time they're on the court and that's because they both have the scorer's mentality that so much of their game and effort is really more concentrated on their offense. This is a real disadvantage for the Knicks especially during the Finals, that is if they actually make it that far.

When J.Lin is clicking, the whole team clicks in all cylinders which is a thing of beauty to watch and makes for high entertainment value though hardly one you'd really consider championship level basketball and that's why in an off night, when things don't go their way, it usually turns out for the worse because they revert back to their old ways and implode; thus losing eventually. And that's what's so frustrating. It seem, to me atleast, the Knicks live and die with the performance of their pointguard in a given night more so than the performance of their leading scorer (Melo) and that's why I've been saying all along I would rather fortify the point guard position even if they already have a J.Lin. It will not hurt the Knicks to acquire the likes of a D.Williams who is versatile enough to play 2 positions even if it is at the expense of losing an all star scorer like Melo especially when NY has the trio/platoon of Schumpert, Fields and Novak playing quite so well already. Moreover I also don't see/think Melo really improving the players around him when he plays like a J.Lin or even a D.Williams can which is why I think such a trade for a D.Williams makes more sense for the Knicks than keeping Melo who does nothing in terms of team synergy.

Melo and Amare are pretty similar type a player really - "Scorers" that's pretty much all offense and no defense who'd rather keep the ball in their hands in most offensive situations. And if that is not bad enough, what makes matters worse, Melo and Amare are actually part of the Knicks' first five so 2 of the Knicks starting 5 on the court would rather shoot but doesn't do much D which is really a disadvantage going into any game. When you have one player not doing D is bad enough so just imagine if you have 2 players that don't do D if their lives depended on it? Hard to win games that way if the main basis/strategy is merely outscoring the opponent. The way I see it, when Melo was out due to injury, NY was actually a much more balanced team then and proof is that the Lin led Knicks actually excelled by winning 9 games (8 straight) with Amare, Chandler, and the platoon/trio of Shumpert, Fields and Novak actually playing D aside from their usual scoring output which only goes to show the Knicks can win even without Melo, perhaps even better off without Melo since it took them no gel time at all to fire on all cylinders and become a winning team. Knicks doesn't need Melo to win and here we are trying to gel Melo to win? Forcing Melo to gel with the team might just backfire and destroy the Knicks team chemistry/synergy since that's playing time taken away from the other Knicks players because Melo has to play.

For all of Melo's offensive effort/output, it does not translate into a winning record for the Knicks, not yet atleast, and ironically in the NBA Finals it's the big D that mostly win games and NBA titles which Melo does not do enough of and add to that Amare doesn't do much D as well makes it all the more bad. And with such a big gaping hole in the Knicks armour (the lack of defense from Amare and Melo), I can't help but consider this Knicks team mediocre still even as potent NY may be in offense/scoring side. With out D, NY is still nowhere close nor even near Miami or Chicago level of competitiveness to seriously compete in the East Championship much more battle for the NBA title. And I don't know if more gel/practice time is the answer. I really just don't see it happening with this current line-up. That's the sad truth. Anyway let the waiting game begin. Guess we'll eventually see if they'll do something (or not) with line-up by the March 15 trade deadline.

Go Go Knicks! :)

pi_malejana

March 6th, 2012, 10:00 AM

I do have to agree though with Melo and Amare lacking defense... that's has been the question anyway for both of these players... if they really want to win, they have to play intense D... we've seen flashes of it but unfortunately then can't quite keep up the intensity for the entire game... the addition of Chandler really helped us in the paint and Shump is also good at guarding... Jeffries also in terms of disrupting the offense (ie taking charges)...

anyway, if the playoffs were to start today, i'm really confident with our matchup against the bulls... imo, our depth and raw talent can compete with their team... rose can be guarded by shump, then Chandler can overpower Noah easily, Amare against Deng, Boozer against Melo, and Lin vs Hamilton... Novak can compete with Korver's 3-point shots, JR smith vs Brewer, etc...

1100

March 6th, 2012, 01:45 PM

Who will guard The MVP?

3cr

March 7th, 2012, 12:59 AM

Knicks: Breaking Down the Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire Predicament
By Dan Favale
Bleacher Report

The hype surrounding Jeremy Lin has not subsided, but it is no longer enough to carry the New York Knicks. And apparently, neither are Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire.

New York brought in Anthony with the expectation he would form a superstar tandem with Amar'e Stoudemire that would steamroll the opposition on a daily basis. But that just hasn't been the case.

Since the arrival of Anthony, the team has been a poster-child for inconsistency. They are a threat to win against any given team, but also liable to disappear at any given time.

The Knicks stand at .500 and still find themselves struggling against the other teams of the Eastern Conference.

That's not typical of a team contending for a title, but rather indicative of a team searching for an identity.

Or, in the Knicks case, the search for that superstar.

The grace period for Stoudemire and Anthony to develop a rapport is officially over, and arguably has been for quite some time.

This wasn't a coincidental pairing, but one the two asked for, lobbied for and straight-up forced. And that's why it's so troubling to watch them struggle, because this is what they wanted.

Stoudemire looks like he has absolutely no lift left in him. He isn't playing above the rim and continues to settle for jump shots despite the presence of Lin, a tendency reflected in his field-goal percentage.

Anthony, like Stoudemire, seems to have little lift left in him as well. He is barely leaving his feet on jumpers and has lacked the necessary explosiveness it takes to get to the rim, an ability he has had his entire career.

Their struggles are the reason New York often turns to their second unit to stay in games. They are the reason the Knicks turned to Lin in the first place. And they are also the reason why the Dwight Howard to New York rumors exist at all.

This isn't the tandem the Knicks thought they were forming.

Stoudemire looked like an MVP candidate only last season, and now, he's often outplayed on both ends of the floor by Tyson Chandler and Jared Jeffries. Anthony has continued to put points on the board, but only by taking an excessive number of shots and deviating from the seven seconds or less offensive system.

The emergence of a true point guard was supposed to resolve their cohesion issues, but even with Lin and Baron Davis running the show, the two have failed to meet expectations.

As much attention as the Knicks' second unit is drawing, they can only carry them so far, and consequently, the struggles of New York's two best players can only be overlooked for so long.

The rest of the team has been able to establish chemistry amid a condensed schedule and little to no practice time, so why haven't Anthony and Stoudemire? They, after all, are supposedly two of the game's most elite talents with almost a season's worth of games together in New York.

Sans Anthony and Stoudemire, the Knicks have played like a team. And while the two aren't incapable of playing off one another, complacency is clearly an issue, as they have been reluctant to adapt to each other.

Until they do, the best the Knicks can hope for is an early postseason exit along with a plethora of unanswered questions.

Lin has given New York a point guard, but now the Knicks are left waiting and wanting for something they thought they already had an abundance of.

A superstar that would lead them to an NBA Title.

Deebo.

March 7th, 2012, 02:37 AM

If the knicks were to get howard they will send carmelo and amare stoudimare to orlando for howard, turkoglu and ryan anderson...you will get back a perimeter along with novak and you will get turkoglu that can create his own shots..and howard that will dominate the middle

3cr

March 7th, 2012, 03:52 AM

^^ Actually it's Melo and Chandler (not Stoudemire) for Howard and Turkoglu who were mentioned in the trade rumour between the two teams. Not sure though if Howard is really such a big upgrade to Chandler which is why I'd rather keep Chandler and just concentrate on a Melo trade since he is actually the one that has good trade value and especially considering Amare is virtually untradeable due to his scary contract and questionable knees. Melo is the only trade bait of value they really have.

Btw the Knicks are now 18 wins -20 losses, 2 games below .500. Knicks slide continue since Melo's comeback with this 95-85 loss to the Mavs, where in the Knicks have now lost 4 games out of the last 6 since coming back to the team. Like I said before Melo's output/performance does not translate into a winning record for the Knicks whether he comes up big like in the Boston game and/or if he comes up short like tonite's Dallas game (only 6 points in 31 min for Melo), it's still the same result - A Loss! So why even play Melo then if the Knicks actually have a better winning percentage playing without him? It's actually better not to play him then. This is getting so very frustrating already because the Knicks were already winning on a regular basis when Melo was out and now here we are losing more games than we're winning with Melo in the line up. If this is not proof enough to convince the front office that Melo is turning out to be a detriment instead of a solution for this Knicks team in their quest for an NBA title, I don't know what else will. How much more losing will it take before the Knicks front office admit their mistake that the Amare/Melo experiment is a huge expensive bust. And if Melo is not part of the solution, as shown he is not, then might as well trade him for somebody else who can help. The Knicks really need to do something by the March 15 trade deadline to make themselves better but the big question is will they have the balls to do so... we'll find out soon enough.

Nowitzki with 28 points as the Mavs beat the Knicks 95-85
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/3/7/2851298/nba-scores-celtics-lakers

The Knicks and Mavericks played a hideously sloppy game of basketball, each swinging wildly from semi-competence to abject slapstick throughout the evening with both teams shooting below 40 percent from the field and experiencing massive scoring droughts.

The game appeared to be out of hand from the outset. Dirk Nowitzki struggled to score for the Mavs (thanks in large part to solid defense by Amar'e Stoudemire, oddly enough), but the Dallas shooters and bench players (led by 18 points from Rodrigue Beaubois) carried Dallas to a quick double-digit lead. Jeremy Lin, Carmelo Anthony, and pretty much every other Knick option but Stoudemire failed to produce, but a nice run in the late second quarter cut the Dallas lead to six at halftime.

After the break, the Mavericks began to roll once more. Nowitzki and Stoudemire went back-and-forth, with the former vastly outperforming the latter. Nowitzki finally started to reach the net with his off-balance jump shots, while Stoudemire's inside attempts became rushed and inaccurate. Dallas went ahead by as many as 18 points and appeared to have the game fully in hand.

The fourth quarter got ridiculous, though. New York's second unit (plus Stoudemire) locked down defensively and mounted a 15-0 comeback to unbelievably take the lead. Dallas, of course, responded with a giant run of their own and, thanks to Nowitzki, raced back ahead by double digits and ended up winning 95-85.

Nowitzki finished with 28 points despite-- no joke-- seriously solid defense from Stoudemire, while Amar'e himself broke out of a slump to lead the Knicks with 26. Anthony, meanwhile, had one of his worst shooting nights (2-12) in recent memory and finished with just six points in 31 minutes. He also drew the ire of everybody watching by throwing away an inbound pass while talking to and looking directly at Shawn Marion. Not his best night.

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Carmelo Anthony admits that he’s struggling to adjust to Knicks new offense
By S. Evans
http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/carmelo_anthony_admits_that_hes_struggling_to_adjust_to_knicks_new_offense/10254901

Remember when Carmelo Anthony laughed off the notion that he would have trouble fitting in the new Knicks offense with Jeremy Lin? Well he’s not laughing anymore. In fact, after the Knicks loss in Dallas last night where he could only muster 6 points, Anthony admitted that fitting in to this new offense isn’t as easy as he thought it would be.

(click the link for the rest of the article)

Deebo.

March 7th, 2012, 08:58 AM

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March 7th, 2012, 05:57 PM

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pi_malejana

March 7th, 2012, 07:05 PM

Deebo.

March 7th, 2012, 08:14 PM

Deron williams is coming here to dallas next season :banana:....he is from dallas...it will be great for him to finish his career right here at home

3cr

March 7th, 2012, 08:57 PM

^^ Yup if NJ Nets don't get to trade for D.Howard by the March 15 deadline, D.Williams walks at the end of the season.

i'm starting to believe you now 3cr...:D:lol: but i doubt Dolan will trade Melo or Lin away; and frankly i don't want to lose Lin... Dolan was the one who forced the trade last year, much to the disappointment of Walsh, Lin oth helped Dolan's stocks soar and is thought to be the key in the negotiation of MSG and Time Warner...

anyway, i think a much more plausible trade would be Amare/Chandler for Howard and Turk (or Anderson)... i doubt Grunwald is looking at Deron Williams mainly because it's the Nets... either way, i think it's going to be too late contending for the championship... if anything, we'd be lucky to get out of first round (much less win a game in the playoffs)...:ohno::bash:

:cheers:

^^I have to agree with you. I also don't think the Knicks will have the balls to trade Melo (nor their current marketing poster boy J.Lin) and unfortunately Amare is virtually untradeable so the Knicks may very well just end up being married to these players for a good long time. Hence the Knicks will need to find a way to reconcile/solve their on the court differences/problems internally. Maybe it's just a matter of not playing Melo and Amare at the same time. Oh how I wish the Knicks/D'antoni would humor me and sit Melo for now instead of starting him and just start with a first five of J.Lin, JR Smith, (Fields or Schumpert or Novak depending on match-up), Stoudemire,& Chandler instead and see if they can rekindle the magic once more. Have Melo coming off the bench especially when Amare has to sit and/or if D'antoni chooses to play the 2nd five early like he's been doing lately and have Melo play with Baron, (Fields or Schumpert or Novak depending on match ups),& Jeffries or some variation of that and see what happens. Anyway it won't get any worse if the Knicks start playing a different line-up and experiment to shake things up and give it one more push and then make those hard decisions what can be done by the March 15 trade deadline. That's what I would do if I were them. Oh well just wishful thinking... hehehe :lol: :lol: :lol: