View Full Version : PROJECT: City Central (incl Adelaide GPO Redevelopment)
jacobsian July 13th, 2004, 10:44 AM Well it was just on the news, so if you missed it, suck a fart, and here's the details.
City Central is the name of the Advertiser block.
* The state government signed a 33 million dollar lease on the advertiser buiding and the new tower next to it.
* The post office will be redeveloped into a hotel, but the existing structure remains.
* 3 towers the same height as the current 80m doodads from what I saw.
* The whole friggin block is chockas with scrapers! Friggin HUGE. I counted 5 scrapers, Someone else counted more, and my oldy says she heard they said there would be 12 buildings in the precinct (not all scrapers though).
* 6 year development timeframe.
* $600 million all up.
:eek2:
Adder-Laid July 13th, 2004, 10:48 AM Nice....
Why do I always have to just get home 2 minutes after the headlines on the news? :P
jacobsian July 13th, 2004, 10:49 AM ABC News will be your friend.
pikey July 13th, 2004, 11:20 AM I counted six, all the same 80mish height. How's the all glass stair case, swoooooiiiiiit!!!
Someone get a pic of it!
pikey July 13th, 2004, 11:21 AM oh yeah, the whole precinct is worth $600m. Eeeeeeep!
jacobsian July 13th, 2004, 11:24 AM I would've captured it on my computer's TV recorder thing, but i'll only be able to catch it on ABC, and my ABC reception is very very bad.
jacobsian July 13th, 2004, 11:40 AM Did anyone notice that really really thin, tall as fucking anything building?
AG July 13th, 2004, 12:08 PM Wow, thats one massive project, considering how small most of the other developments around the centre of Adelaide are! :eek2:
I look out for it in tomorrow's 'Tiser. (If it is in there)
Adder-Laid July 13th, 2004, 12:10 PM Saw it on ABC ;)
Veeeery Nice :)
Adelarch July 13th, 2004, 12:24 PM My best guess is that we're talking about the 24 storey Franklin St apartments group and the light blue/yellow buildings clustered around and above the central plaza (as outlined in red). Thanks to Pikey for original scan
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid128/p5537813cc9f7edee076a6cf8a190f02d/f7de597c.jpg
jacobsian July 13th, 2004, 12:27 PM Are those red rectangles scrapers? I saw that on the render there were these really tall, really thin buildings... man, if those rectangles are scrapers, plus the city one building..... that's a shitload of friggin buildings!
Adelarch July 13th, 2004, 12:37 PM Yeah it's gonna be dense :D I've just drawn red outlines around what look to be the buildings - hard to tell what the yellow and the blue represent, but maybe the 'waif' towers are sitting on podiums??
Pants July 14th, 2004, 04:25 AM It's in the 'tiser today.
Looks amazing. Fantastic development for the city of a scale that I can't remember before.
The key elements (many of which you guys have already listed) are:
1. New 5 storey Advertiser building - $60 million.
2. 17 storey office block on Waymouth St - $120 million.
3. Redevelopment of GPO into hotel and exclusive retail complex with associated 300 room tower.
4. Residential hub - low and high-rise, with highest at 24 storeys.
5. 20 storey office building with King William Street entrance.
6. Refurbishment of current Advertiser building.
7. Electra House on King William Street to be transformed into a 4 level restaurant/bar facility.
Total projected cost of $600 million with a 6-year construction span.
The hotel tower is still "on the drawing board" but other projects are underway.
Can't wait to see full colour renders of the other buildings.
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 04:54 AM Pants, is there a b/w render? I have to actually buy that friggin advertiser today?
Pants July 14th, 2004, 04:59 AM It's worth buying mate.
There's a small, basic colour render of the whole development, aswell as a larger artist's impression of the atrium in the 17 storey office building.
The whole story takes up about 90 per cent of page 3.
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 05:21 AM Here's something to add to SS.com :)
"City Central"
http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/daddy.jpg
City One
11-29 Waymouth Street
86m, 20 storeys, 24,000 m2 - 10,000 leased by the State government
-under construction
16-20 Bentham Street
85m, 26 storeys, residential
20 level premium office building, fronting King William st
80m (?), 20 storeys, commercial
300 room hotel tower
around 80m, looks around 25 storeys.
Another highrise residential :D
Looks around 85m tall.
Advertiser building
14 storeys - to be redeveloped
Other facts
- historic Adelaide GPO to be refurbished into frontage for 300 room hotel complex, and contain exclusive retail.
-heritage listed Electra House to be refurbished into a restaurant complex.
- site contains 5 storey Advertiser building, with dynamically changing facade.
Year of Completion: 2006
Year when we'll need more office space afterwards: 2034
A special hello goes out to all the students at Eynesbury College across Franklin street from this monster development - Good luck getting your bloody exams done with THAT across the street :D
Dilaz89 July 14th, 2004, 06:05 AM looks nice! but i just wish they would incorporate the two office towers into something that would have a huge impact!
chrisaus July 14th, 2004, 06:28 AM looks great for adelaide, pitty about the height, but the density will be great, like nothing adelaide has seen ever. if adelaide can't get the height, lets go for mega density!..... is this development by multiple developers?
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 06:30 AM Nearly the whole thing is being done by Caversham, who is a subsidary of an Adelaide corporation named Futuris. I think the resi towers are by different developers though.
AG July 14th, 2004, 06:38 AM The Advertiser Building is being constructed by Baulderstone Hornibrook.
CULWULLA July 14th, 2004, 07:15 AM wow! ill add to ss.com.i can make more accurate as time allows more info.
this is big news for Adelaide!
CULWULLA July 14th, 2004, 08:01 AM official heights!!! finally 300ft!!
I chatted to ACC planner today and so far the Bentham street apartment tower has been approved at 85m to roof and 90m to LMR. (the plantrooms /LMR arent shown on render)
The office on Waymouth Street has also been approved at 80m to roof and 85m to LMR.
the others will rise between 75-99m high. so lots of dense scrapers heading south!!
cheers
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 08:04 AM http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2001/09/09/sthewi090901.jpg
CULWULLA July 14th, 2004, 08:18 AM ie listed this so far on ss.com> as City Central complex with 5 towers.
Building Height Floors Year
City Central (Apartment tower 1) 90 m 24st (Bentham st)
City Central (Office Tower 1) 85 m 20 st (Waymouth st)
City Central (Apartment tower 2) 85 m 20 st (Bentham st)
City Central (Hotel Tower) 80 m 25st (Franklin st)
City Central (Office Tower 2) 80 m 20st (King willy)
now these could change over next year or so up or down. except first 90m apartments and first office tower)
chrisaus July 14th, 2004, 10:45 AM oh are some of these projects ones with threads on them already......
Adelarch July 14th, 2004, 12:18 PM Wow! thanks for the scan. Just imagine the transformation to this aerial in a few short years (particularly with the 3 other scrapers for Waymouth Street and not forgetting the West Central towers and Hindley Street apartments)
http://www.bay13.de/pics/desktop/morepictures/Adelaide.jpg
AG July 14th, 2004, 12:31 PM oh are some of these projects ones with threads on them already......
Yeh, 11-29 Waymouth Street (City Central 1) and 16-20 Bentham Street (Bentham Street Apartments) are the two that we had known about for a while.
BTW, CUL. You've placed a couple of buildings twice. Two of the buildings listed under the project City Central already existed on the database before you added them again. 11-29 Waymouth Street is the same thing as the office tower that faces Waymouth Street, and Bentham Street Apartments is the same as one of the apartment towers.
CULWULLA July 14th, 2004, 01:08 PM oh ok, now i understand. ill delete the office tower & bentham st towers
cheers
CULWULLA July 14th, 2004, 01:54 PM well ive changed stats. heres the city central complex bldgs>
Building Height Floors Year
11-29 Waymouth Street 86 m /20 2005
16-20 Bentham Street 85 m /26 2005
City Central (Apartment tower) 85 m /20 2006
City Central (Hotel Tower) 80 m /25 2006
City Central (Office Tower) 80 m /20 2006
Advertiser Building 45 m/ 14 1962 2006
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 03:22 PM I tried :)
http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/dodgy.jpg
DODGY.
Luckily, the Real World has a sense of geometry and perspective, which my photoshopping ability doesn't. :) And yes, I downscaled the image to hide my dodginess, just like a shit guitarist turns up the distortion on his amp to hide his shitness.
edit* - i've actually found that it looks absolutely spot on if you tilt your head to the side or look at with your head upside down. 75% of people who read that sentence will tilt their head upside down, although 66% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
chrisaus July 14th, 2004, 05:58 PM shit the amazing thing about that shot is the future development potential!!! look at all those low-rise crying out for re-development!! or are there development restrictions outside the core CBD?
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 06:32 PM Yes.
*edit* image removed, because I don't feel like babysitting pre-pube western australian whiners.
Adder-Laid July 14th, 2004, 06:56 PM Far farking out!
Dilaz89 July 14th, 2004, 07:00 PM those limits are fucked! how can adelaide ever grow with those limits in place!
jacobsian July 14th, 2004, 07:02 PM They are the old limits, but they're fairly relaxed in the CBD area, like I said 18 levels is not the height limit, 115m is. We've had 17 storey towers in the 13 areas, the Franklin st development has 5 18 storey towers in the 10 zone, etc etc. The only areas that really have this limit are the southern corners of the city.
Dilaz, I don't really care for any of your comments.
Adder-Laid July 14th, 2004, 07:57 PM those limits are fucked! how can adelaide ever grow with those limits in place!
The CBD will be a lot more dense over the next few years, and these "guides", not limits will definitely help that :)
pikey July 14th, 2004, 11:18 PM Not too bad an effort there mr Yobster. Umm, who said Adelaide wasn't getting any construction?? Ahemm, boom, baby, boom??!!?
Adelarch July 15th, 2004, 12:42 AM Top effort there Yob :okay: (I was hoping someone might take up the challenge) - really bulks up the King William St spine impressively.
What I'm trying to work out is whatever happened to the original Bentham apartments - are they simply not shown in the rendering, or has the design been altered to what we see (unlikely since the design has already been approved)? Maybe it's just a dodgy render
Pants July 15th, 2004, 01:36 AM Been thinking the same thing Aderlarch.
My educated guess is that the designs have changed. I know, through work, that there has been a change in developer of the Bentham St Apartments, so maybe, with that, came a change in design.
On the other hand, the previous full page article in the Advertiser on this development referred to "Franklin St Apartments" of up to 24 storeys in addition to those on Bentham St.
Also, all of the buildings shown in detail in yesterday's render were designed by Woodhead (I think). The new Advertiser building was designed by EGO/FKD and the Bentham Street Apartments by Rothe Lowman, so that might explain the apartments' absence.
tayser July 15th, 2004, 04:20 AM http://afr.com/premium/articles/2004/07/14/1089694421905.html [Premium]
Adelaide set for office tower boom
Kathryn House
As many as six new office buildings could be kick-started this year in Adelaide following a string of tenant precommitments.
In the latest deal, the South Australian government has committed to 10,000 square metres at Caversham Property's $600 million City Central development. The deal closely follows a 12,000 square metre precommitment by the Insurance Australia Group to the $70 million Flinders Link development.
One of the developers behind that project, the Kambitsis Group, is forging ahead with a second, $30 million office project on Gouger Street after snaring a major commitment from Minter Ellison.
Work is also under way on the Commonwealth Law Courts and on Advertiser Newspapers' new headquarters. There is also talk of a 5000 square metre commitment to a proposed development on Light Square.
Colliers International's South Australian director of commercial leasing, James Young, who negotiated the City Central deal, said there had been little new construction in Adelaide in years, leaving few options for tenants.
City Central comprises a 24,000 square metre office building, a 24-storey residential tower and new retail space.
Mr Young said negotiations were well advanced with a number of other tenants which, if finalised, would fill more than half the planned office tower: "There is a flight-to-quality phenomenon occurring here where business management is being pretty commercial about what it's demanding from its office space," Mr Young said.
"I think there'll be an oversupply of poorer-grade space as those buildings become redundant. The challenge for the city and the owners of that space is: how do you remain competitive in an evolving and more sophisticated tenant marketplace?"
The managing director of Jones Lang LaSalle's SA office, Christopher Redmond, said landlords would have to look at various strategies to retain tenants, including building and security upgrades. But he added that the solid economic growth in SA over the past several years should translate into improved tenant demand in the next 12 months.
jacobsian July 15th, 2004, 04:50 AM Before we all discuss the changed Bentham, you have to remember there was a big arrow on top of the building from the advertiser render, which I filled in myself, it's been a little touched up by me to stop looking... how should I put it.... retarded? ;)
Adder-Laid July 15th, 2004, 11:13 AM oh.... and Yob, looks as if one of the Eynesbury students has thrown a scale model giant paper plane into the Franklin frontage of the Hotel tower...
jacobsian July 15th, 2004, 11:17 AM oh.... and Yob, looks as if one of the Eynesbury students has thrown a scale model giant paper plane into the Franklin frontage of the Hotel tower...
:D
Must have been a hell of a shot, because that bloody ugly metal facade on the front obscures all the windows at the front of the building, and all of the windows on the side have these metal fins covering them up. My guess is they were out on the outdoor 2nd level concourse at the back of the building, threw the plane then it ascended 3 levels, did a u turn and flew over the building, and into the new hotel. I tell ya, us Eynesbury graduates have brains in our heads that's for sure ;)
CULWULLA July 15th, 2004, 12:39 PM The planner told me the entire site of city Central has height limit of 99m (to upper ceiling of top most floor). So 100m to roof + a 3-6m plantroom and you have a 105m structure. The planner said depending on markets at least one of the office towers might go up to the maximum height!
pikey July 15th, 2004, 11:24 PM Um. Fark. 105m maybe. Niiiiiiiice!
Will July 16th, 2004, 10:59 AM This is the best news Adelaide has had in years!
:eek2: :eek2: :cheers: :) :cucumber: :cucumber: :banana: :banana: :cucumber: :drunk: :rock: :nocrook: :carrot: :yes: :carrot: :booze: :applause: :eek: :cool: :lock: :bowtie: :omg: :dj: :okay: :righton: ;) :pepper: :cheers1: :llama: :llama: :angel1: :banana2: :jippo: :grouphug:
Dilaz89 July 19th, 2004, 01:21 PM ok im a bit confused. is the 90m apartments the one talked about in this thread (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=1764472#post1764472) ?
AG July 19th, 2004, 02:17 PM ok im a bit confused. is the 90m apartments the one talked about in this thread (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=1764472#post1764472) ?
Yes. Us Adelaideans have a fair idea of most of the City Central site, but are still slightly sketchy on several details about the project.
Trances July 19th, 2004, 02:39 PM wwo big change cool project for SA
flyin_higher July 20th, 2004, 02:09 AM Crikey! This is great news for Adelaide!
Amaruu July 20th, 2004, 02:34 AM Just by looking at Yob's rendering on page 2, it looks like Adelaide will get its 2nd, 5th, 6th and 7th tallest building in one foul swoop.
There is a bit of density to the bottom right hand side of the pic, I'd imagine that's King William Street. But great to see that Adelaide will be getting some density on the North side as well (I assume its North Tce).
Icanseeformiles July 20th, 2004, 08:20 AM God!how many times do i need to correct people on that saying?
It's "one fell swoop"
Cheers
Amaruu July 20th, 2004, 10:18 AM Okay then, one fell swoop, sheesh.
Adder-Laid July 20th, 2004, 11:02 AM Good to see there's other pedantic bastards, just like me, hanging around on the boards... :)
Icanseeformiles July 22nd, 2004, 03:13 AM nah it's cool, i WAS being a bit harsh. I can't talk...some of the typos in some of my posts...sheesh!
AtD July 22nd, 2004, 01:36 PM http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-07-22/picture%20001_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-07-22/picture%20002_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-07-22/picture%20003_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-07-22/picture%20004_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-07-22/picture%20013_std.jpg
Note Law Courts in the background. ;)
joefran July 22nd, 2004, 04:02 PM This is a great project for Adelaide and while it adds a lot of density to the area I'm afraid It won't make much difference to the city skyline. In years to come we won't be known as the "City Of Churches" which I hate, but the "City Of 20 Storey Buildings". Why couldnt they build a 40 storey building instead of 2 20's. The Adelaide skyline looks pretty flat and boring with all these buildings the same height.
By the way what is the height limit for Adelaide?
jacobsian July 22nd, 2004, 04:13 PM Dude, every single word started with a capital.
AtD July 22nd, 2004, 05:06 PM This is a great project for Adelaide and while it adds a lot of density to the area I'm afraid It won't make much difference to the city skyline. In years to come we won't be known as the "City Of Churches" which I hate, but the "City Of 20 Storey Buildings". Why couldnt they build a 40 storey building instead of 2 20's. The Adelaide skyline looks pretty flat and boring with all these buildings the same height.
By the way what is the height limit for Adelaide?
As I've posted before, which skyline would you prefer?
http://www.urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/skylines.gif
joefran July 22nd, 2004, 05:17 PM I like Perth's skyline, not as dense as Adelaide's but with a good mix of building heights and styles.
Adder-Laid July 22nd, 2004, 06:39 PM Perth lacks density... which is what I'd like to see in Adelaide... More density, that is...
Dilaz89 July 23rd, 2004, 11:32 AM not for much longer!
jacobsian July 24th, 2004, 02:20 AM dilaz:
re: perth
tell someone who cares.
thanks.
Dilaz89 July 25th, 2004, 08:23 AM for fuck sakes yob! you might not care about what i have to say, which is all right. but its just stupid when you actaully post that you don't care! i could'nt give a shit about half the stuff you type but i don't go and post that i don't care!
AG July 25th, 2004, 09:13 AM Yob, that comment was a bit harsh. He's allowed to have his own opinion. You can bag his opinion, but don't bag him.
Shuzstar July 25th, 2004, 10:46 AM i like perths skyline too. density can turn ugly if theres too much of it. and adelaide is slowly turning to become that. so its time we get some interesting high-rises up to make it look nice like perths.
pikey August 14th, 2004, 04:54 AM A bit of goss fellas.
My Bro in law is an Industrial Design student and he has seen some of the designs for some of the buildings in this development, while on work experience. From what he could tell me the resi tower facing Vic Sq was on a 3 level retail podium with quite a setback for 27 levels of accom. Height he saw was 112m. He also saw a proposal for a tower on the corner of Waymouth and Currie, which is currently up for sale from Brock. It retains the heritage listed facace for the bottom 3 levels. The office use tower ontop is proposed at 19 levels, with simple deep blue reflective glass, but with verticle elements (gold stripes that continue to the roof) introduced into the facade half way up. The LMR and associated guff at the top was enclosed with a "pyramid" shaped structure. Mike didn't see the height of this but at 22 levels, you'd say about 100m.
Keep in mind though that these are pre-DA renderings and proposals, so nothing is concrete. Still interesting all the same!
jacobsian August 14th, 2004, 08:08 AM Pikey, if that 112m figure is true, then it'll make a big difference to the city. Just to illustrate how tall it is, 112m is just about the same height as metropole apartments' (brisbane) current height:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Ausilencer/Metropole_20040811_768x1024_05.jpg
Exciting.
Question: how can there be a corner of waymouth and currie?
A 22 level commo would hit about 90m (+ pyramid :))
Adder-Laid August 14th, 2004, 12:26 PM I'd say the site he is thinking of the old Sebel building on the corner of Currie and Light SQ. A 100m building here would be very nice, as it would extend the "taller" part of our skyline westwards :)
jacobsian August 14th, 2004, 12:31 PM I'd say the site he is thinking of the old Sebel building on the corner of Currie and Light SQ. A 100m building here would be very nice, as it would extend the "taller" part of our skyline westwards :)
Spazpecker was telling porky pies about a 100m tower on Light Square and Currie, where that furniture store is. That was bloody ages ago though.
pikey August 15th, 2004, 11:57 PM The site I mean is the heritage listed jobbie, directly opposite the old T&G Building. The old State bank building I think?? Grenfell & King William. It's right near the Santos Building. 100m of glass would look rather orrroight there me thinks!
jacobsian August 16th, 2004, 10:36 AM The site I mean is the heritage listed jobbie, directly opposite the old T&G Building. The old State bank building I think?? Grenfell & King William. It's right near the Santos Building. 100m of glass would look rather orrroight there me thinks!
When Santos was built, the engineering firm was required to do some restoration work on those old heritage buildings... so it's kinda weird that council would let a big arse building be built on top of it. But who knows?
AG August 16th, 2004, 11:01 AM I think what may be done is that the new building would be built setback from the street and podium, maybe not actually sitting on top of the top building, but behind it. Santos was built in a similar way. Most of Santos House does not actually sit on the old Steamship and Savings Bank Buildings. Those two buildings were partially demolished to make way for the entrance to what is the ASX Stock Exchange at the base of Santos House but the facades remain on two of the three former buildings.
Pants August 25th, 2004, 06:47 AM Sadly, there's an article in this week's CM saying that the GPO upgrade (300 room hotel tower and retail complex) could be up to 3 years away.
It suggests that the Government may have been a bit premature in announcing this part of the City Central development.
AG August 25th, 2004, 08:49 AM Sadly, there's an article in this week's CM saying that the GPO upgrade (300 room hotel tower and retail complex) could be up to 3 years away.
It suggests that the Government may have been a bit premature in announcing this part of the City Central development.
Anyone up for a City Central stage 2? ;) I'm not entirely fussed if parts of the project were to be delayed for a while.
Shuzstar August 25th, 2004, 12:52 PM yay at last a 100m tower coming up, but someone said 112m?? is this true
AG August 25th, 2004, 02:08 PM Not for City Central I don't think, Shuz. None of us can confirm any of that information until the project is officially announced as a proposal.
Aussie Steve August 26th, 2004, 04:07 AM http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/daddy.jpg
How much of this is under construction and how much of this do we expect to be built?
PS I hope its all!
jacobsian August 26th, 2004, 04:24 AM Digging has started on the site of the 24,000m2 office tower. Demolition on the site of the premium office building is underway. The residential tower on the top left is approved but sales haven't started. Nothing yet on the other towers - but the whole development is set to be built over the next 6 years. Alterations to any of these designs will be made, depending on the state of the market.
Adelarch August 26th, 2004, 10:25 AM Channel 7 ponders City Central
By Josephine Stott
2 August 2004
Channel 7 Adelaide could become one of the high-profile tenants of the massive new $600 million City Central redevelopment by the Caversham Group.
The current Channel 7 Adelaide site in Gilberton is on the market for about $9 million and the media company has appointed Colliers International to find it a new home. Three buyers are understood to have been short-listed for the Gilberton building and a sale is expected soon.
“They are looking for a high-profile location,” says James Young, Colliers director of commercial leasing. “They have a shortlist of options at this stage and the CBD is an area that they are interested in. I would expect that pending the outcome of the sale at Gilberton that they would be very genuinely pursuing a financial negotiation on a preferred site within the next six to eight months.”
The City Central project revolves around construction of a new Adelaide Advertiser building, to be 100% occupied by NewsCorp over 12,500 square metres and due for completion next year.
The project includes conversion of the historic GPO into a retail complex with an associated 300-room hotel tower. The plan, with three office towers, includes the transformation of the long disused Electra House to a boutique restaurant and residential highrise.
The entire remodelling of the city block bounded by King William, Franklin, Waymouth and Bentham streets is expected to take six years.
As well as News Corp, the other signatory to the project is the South Australian government, which has committed to a $33 million lease of 10,000 square metres of office space in the 17-storey tower currently under construction in Waymouth Street.
Normally a tender process would be observed, but was waived in this instance. South Australian Premier, Mike Rann, says: “We’ve decided to lease accommodation for government departments inside the building to make sure this development is a goer.”
Young believes the government’s move was crucial to the success of the project. “The state government’s commitment will act as a real trigger for very active and sincere negotiations with the balance of people we’ll be speaking to,” he says.
AG August 26th, 2004, 10:51 AM The plan, with three office towers, includes the transformation of the long disused Electra House to a boutique restaurant and residential highrise.
I don't recall anything quite along those lines for City Central. Is my mind just playing tricks on me, or has noone here heard of any plan for a residential on the King William side of the block?
Adelarch August 26th, 2004, 11:22 AM I was wondering the same thing. It also talks about 3 office towers - unless you include the new advertiser bldg (not really a tower) I thought there were only two??
pikey August 27th, 2004, 12:03 AM I don't recall anything quite along those lines for City Central. Is my mind just playing tricks on me, or has noone here heard of any plan for a residential on the King William side of the block?
Definately heard of it. I found a doco on this section of the development. I'll have a looksey
AtD September 20th, 2004, 02:52 PM A core!
http://www.photoadelaide.com/gal/2004/09/16_std.jpg
Adder-Laid September 20th, 2004, 03:57 PM The workers look productive as ever, too...
pikey September 21st, 2004, 10:12 AM Have a look on the webcam. The supports for level 2 are going up......
Trances September 21st, 2004, 10:22 AM yep all standing around seems normal
AG September 22nd, 2004, 12:39 PM Well it looks like the Advertiser Building is starting to get off the ground now. Some of the steel framing has been assembled and lifted into place as of yesterday.
Adelarch September 27th, 2004, 11:29 AM Santos to move house, maybe
Josephine Stott
CPGI.com.au
27 September 2004
Oil and gas exploration company, Santos, is analysing tenders for a new headquarters, and is considering building a new base in the Adelaide CBD.
Currently located in Adelaide’s tallest building, Santos House, the company is considering all options including staying put at 91 King William Street – where its lease comes up for expiry in three years – and upgrading the premises. Santos group executive, Einar Vikingur, says another option is to build a new A-grade, environmentally friendly base – a green image being important to the company.
Santos House was bought for $102 million in a joint venture between SAITeysMcMahon and Abacus Property last month. SAITeysMcMahon indicated, at the time, that the price reflected the uncertainty of the Santos tenancy.
After securing the consulting services of Lend Lease Corporate Solutions, Santos executives have conducted briefings with tenderers, which Vikingur says have revealed “interesting possibilities”. With Santos looking to occupy 15,000 square metres, Vikingur says Adelaide’s $600-million five-star, green-rated City Central development is “in the mix”, with a decision expected by Christmas.
Meanwhile, Colliers leasing agent, James Young, sees the Santos investigation as a stimulus to extend City Central’s Tower One by four storeys. Currently in the market as a 17-storey building, Young says there is flexibility in the development application, and it could go as high as 21 storeys, with 30,000 square metres in total. “Come and get it,” says Young who, having already secured the State Government as a 10,000 square metre tenant, wants to wrap up the rest of the building before the council requires a new development application in 12 months’ time.
He feels that tenants looking for 2000-4000 square metres of space may be put on hold while developers chase Santos, and these tenants are best placed to look for space in at a building which is definitely going ahead.
“The whole City Central development is a demand-led development, so if someone wants something, they’ll build it,” says Young.
pikey September 27th, 2004, 11:58 AM Ok, since the media never quotes accurate building heights etc, look at it this way. We know that CityCentral 1 is 18 levels of office sitting on 2 levels of retail. So add another 4 levels of office, what are we looking at - 24 levels and around 100m of deep blue glass??? :)
Pants October 20th, 2004, 05:06 AM It's a bit dated, but I just came across this and despite it going over old ground, thought it was worth posting:
Hon MIKE RANN MP
13/07/2004 STATE GOVERNMENT BACKS $600m "GREEN" CITY DEVELOPMENT News Release
The Rann Government will help kick-start a $600 million city development by agreeing to lease up to 10 000 square metres of office space in a proposed 5-star green and energy rated office tower.
Premier Mike Rann says a new $120 million 17-storey green office tower is part of a whole city block development facing Victoria Square, King William St and Waymouth St.
“The City Central project was presented to the Government as a unique opportunity to redevelop an entire four-acre city block as a green development in a significant central location.
“The commercial and residential development – proposed by the Caversham Group (a division of the Adelaide-based Futuris Corporation) – also involves a new building for News Limited, as well as the upgrading of several heritage buildings including converting the GPO into a hotel.
“This will help the Government fulfil its State Strategic Plan target of reducing energy consumption of government agencies by 25 per cent within 10 years. The Plan also directs the Government to give preference for all new Government office leases to those buildings that meet at least a 5-star energy rating.
“I want Adelaide to become known around the world as a “green city”. That’s why we are planting three million trees and solar powering iconic heritage buildings and schools.
Some of the “green” features likely to be included in the office tower include:
- a passive chilled beam air conditioning system, that uses water to deliver cooling to a space rather than the air, to achieve significant savings in air conditioning energy consumption
- increased fresh air passing through the building, resulting in reduced likelihood of “sick building syndrome”
- installation of T5 fluorescent lamps, which are 30 per cent more efficient
Carbon monoxide monitoring and control of car park ventilation
- Reduction of indoor air pollutants through maximising the use of materials with low volatile organic compounds
- Significant monitoring and measurement of energy and water consumption to ensure control and minimise use
- Use of recycled materials
- Use of refrigerants with zero ozone depletion potential.
The Woods Bagot master plan for the $600 million dollar redevelopment shows key components within the development site:
- New premises for News Limited - already under construction
- A 17-level office building on Waymouth Street - to be South Australia’s first 5 green star rated building - site works underway
- Refurbishment of the Advertiser building on the corner of King William Street and Waymouth Street
- Redevelopment of the GPO into a hotel and exclusive retail complex with an associated 300 room hotel tower
- Residential hub of low and high-rise on the corner of Waymouth and Bentham Streets - designed to promote a range of accommodation options.
- Ground level retail and re use of an existing heritage building.
- A low-rise retail and cultural building.
- A 20-level premium office building accessed from King William Street.
- A 12 level hotel of up to 120 rooms that will be integrated within the refurbished heritage GPO building
- Retention and transformation of the heritage listed “Electra House” on King William Street to a boutique 4 level restaurant/bar facility.
- A 2-level basement carpark for 165 car-parks.
- The central plaza which will be built as part of Stage 1.
Infrastructure Minister Patrick Conlon says this is a significant CBD initiative, which along with economic and environmental benefits should deliver a boost to private sector confidence and private investment.
“Amalgamation of the site has required extensive co-operation from existing property owners, State and Commonwealth Government authorities and all levels of Government.
“The development of City Central will be staged over 6 years. Demolition work for building 1 on Waymouth Street has already begun.
“The five-star green and energy ratings will be built into the design. The Australian Building Greenhouse Rating system and the Green Building Council of Australia grant the ratings after a year of the building’s operation.
“The Government is committed to ecologically sustainable development. If we can better manage our natural resources, we will build a stronger economy and healthier society. This was also one of the key recommendations of the State’s first Thinker in Residence, Herbert Girardet.
“The proposed 17-storey office tower will be the first 5-star green and energy rated office building in South Australia, and is among the first in Australia.
“Along with the plans to build an energy efficient office block, there’ll be a high level of materials recycling during the demolition and construction phases of the project,” Mr Rann said.
“The size, location and diversity of the project reflect Government and private sector confidence in the City, as well as providing positive reinforcement of Adelaide’s “green” credentials.
“The Government hopes City Central will also be a catalyst for similar ecologically sustainable developments.
“No doubt some will criticise this as a direct negotiation with Caversham instead of going into a tender process. But a tender simply couldn’t achieve what this deal does.
“The Government’s pre-commitment will bring about in a planned fashion the development of an entire four-acre block in the CBD, which is an extremely rare opportunity.
“This will be the biggest development in the city in two decades, and we think that’s worth doing.”
“The commitment is $33 million in lease payments over 10 years from June 2006, when the office tower is completed, will allow the developers to move ahead with the remainder of the development.
“This is a slightly higher cost for office accommodation that the Government would have otherwise been paying, but without the benefit of energy efficiencies and better working environment.
“In addition to leasing costs, the Government will also spend $4 million in fit out costs for the seven floors it will occupy, to accommodate about 670 government workers.
“The Department of Administrative and Information Services’ Real Estate Management Group will assess and recommend to Cabinet within three months the Government agency or agencies best positioned to use the leased office space,” Mr Conlon said.
Haven't heard of that 12-level hotel tower before, or is that the same thing as the 300-room tower? Sounds too many rooms for 12 levels (?).
pikey October 22nd, 2004, 12:01 AM The 'Tiser building is getting supports for level 2 whacked on now.
Weeeeeeee.
Adelarch October 22nd, 2004, 09:32 AM Cladding pleeeeeease...
Adelarch October 23rd, 2004, 01:27 AM The 'Tiser building is getting supports for level 2 whacked on now.
Weeeeeeee.
Even better, looks like it's for levels 2 & 3 :) these guys seem to be gaining some momentum.
jacobsian October 23rd, 2004, 01:31 AM Steel frame. It'll shooot up.
CULWULLA October 24th, 2004, 12:30 PM Ok, since the media never quotes accurate building heights etc, look at it this way. We know that CityCentral 1 is 18 levels of office sitting on 2 levels of retail. So add another 4 levels of office, what are we looking at - 24 levels and around 100m of deep blue glass??? :)
it will be 84m of deep blue glass! not too bad. will have a big impact in Adelaide. should be a welcomed addition indeed!
CULWULLA October 28th, 2004, 08:31 AM saw an article in fin review today about Adelaides impending office boom. It mentioned something about a firm building a 8,000sqm bldg in CBD.it also mentioned City central and other 6 projects.
tayser October 28th, 2004, 12:59 PM What was the [exact] title of the article Cul?
CULWULLA October 28th, 2004, 01:24 PM im not sure. ill see if i can scan tommorrow.
CULWULLA October 29th, 2004, 07:50 AM the article was on page 66
CREDIT UNION TO ANCHOR HIGH-TECH TOWER
Australian Central Credit Union will be anchor tennant the 29$mil office bldg with 8000sqm.
To be developed by Tritan Corp at 60 Light square.It will be very high-tech and green freindly!
do you guys know of this one?
Pants October 29th, 2004, 07:55 AM Yeah, it's not a bad looker.
Main points:
- Eight stories on the corner of Light Square and Playhouse Lane (next to Mabarack Furniture for those who know)
- Designed by Woodhead International
- All glass facade on the Western side
Was in that area the other day and site works are underway.
AG October 29th, 2004, 08:57 AM This would be the 8 level building on the corner of Light Square and Playhouse Lane. Rather odd spot for a building of this size, considering the nearest major office buildings are across the other side of the block around Topham Mall, Currie Street and Waymouth Street.
tayser October 29th, 2004, 11:07 AM Credit union to anchor high-tech tower
Karina Barrymore
28 October 2004
Adelaide-based Australian Central Credit Union will be the anchor tenant for a $29 million office development in the Adelaide CBD. The 8000 square metre building is being developed by Tritan Corporation at 60 Light Square and is one of several proposals for the premium Adelaide office market.
Australian Central said yesterday that the building would house its headquarters, which would be relocated from neighbouring offices at 70 Light Square.
Tritan's managing director, Greg Molfetas, said the new eight-storey building included energy-efficient and high-technology design principles.
He said it was being built in conjunction with Australian Central, which would have input into the final design.
Australian Central is one of the largest credit unions in the country, with more than $2.5 billion under management and a membership of more than 210,000 people.
Tritan Corporation recently completed the $40 million Brewery Apartments in Adelaide.
There are about six other big office projects under way in Adelaide including the $600 million City Central redevelopment and the $70 million Flinders Link.
ching.
Pants January 13th, 2005, 03:54 AM For anyone interested, they've started cladding the western side of the new Advertiser building.
Adelarch January 13th, 2005, 03:59 AM that's fantastic news but it's a little hard to pick on the webcam
Adelarch January 13th, 2005, 04:24 AM ...do you actually mean the eastern side, which faces the city central tower 1 site?
Pants January 13th, 2005, 07:07 AM No mate - Western side facing Allegra. Saw it driving past the other day. Won't be visible from the webcam.
It's definately moving along nicely though.
Pants January 20th, 2005, 03:03 AM I'm blatantly reading too much into this, but the architects of the 24 level tower on Bentham Street that's in doubt of going up have added a blurb on the building and an apartment interior render to their site.
At a guess, this would have been added in the past 6-8 weeks.
Clutching at straws, but it might be an indication that the architect thinks it's still on.
> Click Me (http://www.rothelowman.com.au/pdf/Bentham.pdf)
Pants January 20th, 2005, 03:05 AM Reading it again, I get the feeling that it could have been there before.
Anyone else remember?
AG January 20th, 2005, 06:18 AM Definetely don't remember seeing that image or section on the left there the last time I looked at the same pdf a few months back.
Grollo February 11th, 2005, 03:13 PM This looks great, it will be the best skyscraper in Adelaide by far!
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16994.jpg
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16995.jpg
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16996.jpg
Pants February 11th, 2005, 09:10 PM Great find Grollo. Haven't seen the bottom two renders before. Thanks.
AG February 11th, 2005, 10:46 PM The bottom two renders have been in the City Messenger and 'Tiser numerous times in the past few months, particularly the one with the view out to Victoria Square. Having the open section on the edge looks awesome.
Adelarch February 11th, 2005, 10:57 PM the bottom render looks great. However the view southward might be out of date if a taller building is built in front of it
thanks for posting grollo
Al February 12th, 2005, 01:34 AM I'm still a little confused as to which one of the two towers pictured here is the one currently being constructed. I'm guessing the it's the taller of the two right? If that's correct then I figure the existing 'tiser building will be demolished and then a new one taking up the space along with the big gap between.
Hercules Morse February 12th, 2005, 03:44 AM I'm still a little confused as to which one of the two towers pictured here is the one currently being constructed. I'm guessing the it's the taller of the two right? If that's correct then I figure the existing 'tiser building will be demolished and then a new one taking up the space along with the big gap between.
The above renders are actually wrong. Baulderstone are constructing City Central Tower 1 which is the one on the right. The render only shows the original proposal which was 17 storeys. CCT1 is 21 storeys tall so it will look even better! The old advertiser building is not part of CCT1 development........yet.
AG February 12th, 2005, 05:37 AM The current Advertiser Building is going to have a major overhaul to make it suit the CCT1, not any major strutural changes. There may be another office building going up behind Ellektra House soon as well.
Al February 12th, 2005, 09:31 AM The above renders are actually wrong. Baulderstone are constructing City Central Tower 1 which is the one on the right. The render only shows the original proposal which was 17 storeys. CCT1 is 21 storeys tall so it will look even better! The old advertiser building is not part of CCT1 development........yet.
So whats the one on the left? It appears to be on the corner and I can only think of the Advertiser building but that can't be correct.
AG February 12th, 2005, 09:50 AM So whats the one on the left? It appears to be on the corner and I can only think of the Advertiser building but that can't be correct.
Read my post above.
Al February 12th, 2005, 10:57 AM AG, you weren't kidding then when you say major overhaul of the tiser building. Now, if only they could do that with those apartments replacing Adelaide Hotel.
redstar February 13th, 2005, 03:33 AM Techinally, how tall is 21 stories in metres? are we looking at 100m? or so?
bridgetown February 13th, 2005, 03:51 AM I'm pretty sure its been said in this thread that the City Central Tower is planned to be 84m high.
It'd be great if the apparent popularity of the Tower demanded another 3 stories be added on to the top, but even 84m of solid glass is going to have a massive impact on Adelaide's skyline.
Giorgio February 13th, 2005, 05:32 AM Firstly welcome to ssc secondly i dont think it will have too much impact on the skyline. it is only 84meters and i think it will be covered up by the northterrace buildings and some others from main viewes of the city like Lights vision. I dont know though i could be wrong :::
tayser February 13th, 2005, 06:17 AM 84m in Adelaide = 150m tower in Melbourne or Sydney, it won't go unnoticed!
Al February 13th, 2005, 07:16 AM You'll definitely notice 84m of glass frontage from Vic square.
Pants February 17th, 2005, 06:52 AM There's a pretty decent sized old, rundown building for sale on Franklin Street just meters West from the City Central site.
Definate candidate for a substantial future development.
Adder-Laid February 17th, 2005, 09:45 AM If all of our proposals were 84m, we could start achieving the density we all crave here :)
Giorgio February 17th, 2005, 11:44 AM Will the public ever get a chance to walk inside it?
Hercules Morse February 18th, 2005, 12:06 AM Will the public ever get a chance to walk inside it?
Walk inside what? :wtf:
Pants February 18th, 2005, 05:13 AM Another render of the Advertiser building:
http://www.wallbridgeandgilbert.com.au/graphics/advertiser.jpg
Giorgio February 18th, 2005, 03:24 PM the building....
Hercules Morse February 19th, 2005, 12:30 AM I doubt it.
Adelarch February 21st, 2005, 10:28 PM I didn't realise there would be an office tower on the corner of Bentham and Franklin. Sounds good - anyone got a render?
$45m complex adds to growing skyline
By Civic Reporter ANDREW HOUGH
The Advertiser 22feb05
A $45 MILLION office and retail complex was approved by Adelaide City Council's planning arm last night.
The Development Assessment Panel unanimously supported the 12-storey office complex, on the corner of Franklin and Bentham streets.
Plans for the complex, lodged by Woods Bagot Architects, include provision for ground floor shops, a restaurant, 14,956sq m of office floor space and a two-level car park with room for 145 spaces.
Planning staff recommended the 45.5m high building be approved.
A staff report, tabled at the meeting, said the building would have a five-star energy rating and a "high-level of amenity to the area".
"The development exhibits a high standard of design and materials that is consistent with the precinct's role and image as the civic centre of the state," the report concludes.
"The development will not dominate or detract from adjacent heritage places."
Members of the panel praised the design as fitting the area's character. Lord Mayor Michael Harbison told the meeting the development showed the city centre was flourishing.
"It is an indication to me that the city centre is (showing) resurgence," he said.
Building projects within the block taking in King William, Franklin, Bentham and Waymouth streets, constitute one of the largest CBD redevelopments in Australia.
Buildings already approved for the site include The Advertiser's new $60 million building on Waymouth St and a multimillion-dollar, 21-storey government office building.
Adelaide's landmark GPO building will be converted into an international-standard hotel and shopping complex as part of a $600 million redevelopment of the central city block.
Pants February 21st, 2005, 11:34 PM No render in the hard copy of the 'tiser unfortunately.
I'll try my luck emailing Woods Bagot.
Pants February 21st, 2005, 11:49 PM http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/11.jpg
Doesn't appear to be a part of these plans.
The buildings that appear on the corner of Franklin and Bentham here, are they new or existing?
If they're retaining existing buildings on that corner, could this development be a replacement for the on-again-off-again Bentham St residential tower?
AG February 22nd, 2005, 08:10 AM I wonder how Woods Bagot got around the obstacle of the heritage listed (at least I think it is) building on (or at least close to) the corner of Bentham and Franklin Streets.
My thoughts are that the plans for the City Central Block are likely to change over the next few years, if not, already have changed to some extent.
AG February 22nd, 2005, 08:35 AM Current status of several projects on the City Central site.
GPO Redevelopment:
http://www.capcity.adelaide.sa.gov.au/projects/projects_details.asp?ID=396
This one adds to the confusion of the layout of the block:
http://www.capcity.adelaide.sa.gov.au/projects/projects_details.asp?ID=345
Electra House Redevelopment:
http://www.capcity.adelaide.sa.gov.au/projects/projects_details.asp?ID=320
Adelarch February 22nd, 2005, 11:52 AM I wonder if the strong demand for premium office space, as seen in the take up of space in city central tower 1, has caused them to re-configure the masterplan adding more office space??
Al February 25th, 2005, 06:22 AM Here's something on it in this weeks messenger.
http://users.tpg.com.au/dnly00/images/Messenger2.jpg
Adelarch February 25th, 2005, 09:23 AM thanks for that Al. I'm assuming they got it wrong when they refer to it as part of the central west Development (?)
I like the fact the buiding's going to have ground level retail and a restaurants - it'll add more life to this part of town :)
Will February 28th, 2005, 07:42 AM This is definately not a replacement proposal for the Bentham Street residential building. And the articles are incorrect in stating that this building will occupy a corner location, as there is a beautiful heritage building on that site - this building will occupy the area next to it, fronting Franklin Street.
I've seen a PDF file on this project, and the building 's design is nice but nothing revolutionary. (however I have to admit that I've only seen black and white images) The design reminds me of the Alpha apartments, in that the lower levels are masonry, as compared to the all-glass upper floors.
Also this building will be known as "City Central Tower 3"
pikey March 7th, 2005, 01:57 AM WE HAVE GLASS ON THE 'TISER BUILDING!!
Have a look on the Southern side of the building. Ultra reflective glass is being clad as we speak!
Will March 7th, 2005, 05:25 AM WE HAVE GLASS ON THE 'TISER BUILDING!!
Have a look on the Southern side of the building. Ultra reflective glass is being clad as we speak!
I'm amazed at how fast they've built this one!
Adelarch March 7th, 2005, 09:26 AM WE HAVE GLASS ON THE 'TISER BUILDING!!
Have a look on the Southern side of the building. Ultra reflective glass is being clad as we speak!
FINALLY!!! I've been hanging out for this fancy interactive glass to appear :cheers:
Bit hard to see on the webcam though - anyone inspired to get some pics?
pikey March 7th, 2005, 10:04 PM If I wasn't going to my own construction site every night (our first house has just started construction!!!) I'd be there tonight taking pics.
You can't see the glass from the webcam, it's on the southern side of the building which is hidden from view.
Adelarch March 9th, 2005, 12:14 PM If I wasn't going to my own construction site every night (our first house has just started construction!!!) I'd be there tonight taking pics.
You can't see the glass from the webcam, it's on the southern side of the building which is hidden from view.
thanks anyway, I'll wait for it to wrap around the side of the building. Good luck with construction of residence central #1! ;)
pikey March 9th, 2005, 11:11 PM I'm gonna try and get some pics for you folks tonight after work
Pants March 10th, 2005, 02:22 AM I took a few shitty camera-phone pics this morning.
Will post them tonight.
Don't expect too much though, you'll have to take my word for it that there's glass in the shots.
Pants March 10th, 2005, 07:09 AM While I was checking out the new Advertiser building today I noticed that the "managers" listed on the site board were Fender Katsalidis.
Does anyone know if this is Adelaide's first (Nation) Fender Katsalidis building?
Adelarch March 10th, 2005, 11:16 AM While I was checking out the new Advertiser building today I noticed that the "managers" listed on the site board were Fender Katsalidis.
Does anyone know if this is Adelaide's first (Nation) Fender Katsalidis building?
pretty sure it is but don't know for certain
they certainly seem to be flavour of the moment - world tower and eureka tower among other projects
pikey March 10th, 2005, 10:13 PM Glass, Anyone? :D
http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/88584698.jpg
Howie March 10th, 2005, 11:46 PM thanks for the shot pikey.. looking great there!
Brando March 10th, 2005, 11:49 PM Excellent. Will look awesome when it is all done. Thanks for the pics mate.
Adelarch March 11th, 2005, 03:45 PM Nice, thanks v much for the shot mate :)
Pants March 12th, 2005, 09:54 PM My cam phone pics were useless, so I thought I'd do the rounds with a proper camera yesterday:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser8.jpg
Adelarch March 12th, 2005, 10:45 PM cheers Pants! I'm thinking that in a couple of short weeks this little baby is going to look rather stunning :cheers:
Pants March 12th, 2005, 11:19 PM No problems mate. They seem to be moving pretty quick on this one. Really looking forward to the glass going up on the Waymouth St facade.
It'll be an awesome building.
redstar March 13th, 2005, 12:44 PM that glass all the way up? shessh....i wanna ask.... is the cranes hieght now approx how tall it will be when its complete? and will the crane still be on top of the building towards its completetion so that its 'higher' than santos?
Pants March 13th, 2005, 09:46 PM that glass all the way up? shessh....i wanna ask.... is the cranes hieght now approx how tall it will be when its complete? and will the crane still be on top of the building towards its completetion so that its 'higher' than santos?
Think you might be getting this one confused with the 84m office tower that's about to go up next door mate.
The pics show the new 5 storey Advertiser building which has topped out.
Skeletor March 14th, 2005, 04:20 AM Not sure what happened to my post the other day :sleepy: but anyways....
Awesome shots mate, really coming along nicely now....has it topped out? I would have thought there is one floor to go, counting ground floor then 1,2,3,4...and one more for 5. Going by webcam steel supports are going up for the next level.
Wish they would bloody hurry up and get the crane up for city central tower one, major :sleepy:
redstar March 14th, 2005, 08:20 AM oh sorry, well still? whens the main one coming up?
AG March 14th, 2005, 09:15 AM oh sorry, well still? whens the main one coming up?
Read the other threads. It's still at the stage of digging to foundations level.
Pants March 16th, 2005, 10:34 PM The glass is going up pretty quickly on the 'tiser building. They've started on the eastern facade too.
Should have a pic for you on Friday.
Howie March 17th, 2005, 12:24 AM wow they are moving pretty quickly on it... thanks for all the great pics of late pants. can't wait to see the next one.
Adelarch March 18th, 2005, 03:25 AM I can see the glass on the eastern facade quite clearly on the webcam now - v nice indeed! :)
Pants March 19th, 2005, 02:02 AM Advertiser building from this morning:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser19-3-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser19-3-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser19-3-5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser19-3-7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser19-3-8.jpg
AG March 19th, 2005, 02:30 AM The steelwork on the 'Tiser Building has flown up pretty quickly. Be glad to see the final result when the facade is completely done.
Adelarch March 19th, 2005, 02:32 AM thanks Pants! :)
I didn't realise there would be a range of glass types and colours. I wonder if the special interactive glass is only intended for the Waymouth St frontage or the side and back as well?
Pants March 22nd, 2005, 01:05 AM thanks Pants! :)
I didn't realise there would be a range of glass types and colours. I wonder if the special interactive glass is only intended for the Waymouth St frontage or the side and back as well?
No problems mate. I'm actually quite enjoying taking the pics.
I'd imagine that the interactive glass is only set for the Waymouth St facade, but could be wrong. You wouldn't think they'd have it on walls that will face other towers.
Pants March 22nd, 2005, 01:08 AM Cull, if you're reading, do you have any contacts at Woods Bagot that might send you some renderings of the whole City Central block?
I've tried my best but haven't got anywhere and am anxious to see how it's going to turn out.
Cheers.
pikey March 22nd, 2005, 01:24 AM There's a massive section of different styled glass going on the western end of the eastern side, if that makes sense! Have a look at the webcam. It looks like it's gonna have a black stripe though that side of the facade.
CULWULLA March 22nd, 2005, 02:37 AM Cull, if you're reading, do you have any contacts at Woods Bagot that might send you some renderings of the whole City Central block?
I've tried my best but haven't got anywhere and am anxious to see how it's going to turn out.
Cheers.
ill try.
Pants March 22nd, 2005, 05:08 AM ill try.
Thanks for that!
Here are some pics from today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser1-22.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser2-22.jpg
Here's the black stripe you were talking about pikey:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser3-22.jpg
Adelarch March 22nd, 2005, 11:20 AM Nice shots thanks Pants. That glass on the eastern facade is interesting - almost looks like marble rather than glass (or am I missing something, such as the protective wrapping hasn't been removed yet? lol)
Pants March 22nd, 2005, 01:54 PM ^ I can see where you're coming from mate, but it's just that the eastern glass is really dusty.
I'm pretty sure it'll come up the same as southern facade.
Adelarch March 23rd, 2005, 03:33 AM Aha! silly me :)
AtD March 23rd, 2005, 03:14 PM I was bored.
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20013_std.jpg
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20014_std.jpg
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20023_std.jpg
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20024_std.jpg
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20025_std.jpg
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20026_std.jpg
http://photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/23-03-2005/picture%20027_std.jpg
pikey March 23rd, 2005, 10:18 PM You should get bored more often Ducka!
Adelarch March 24th, 2005, 10:35 AM nice shots mate, looking great :)
Pants March 30th, 2005, 08:10 AM ill try.
Any luck with Woods Bagot Cul?
Pants March 31st, 2005, 09:08 AM They're back onto glazing the Advertiser building again. I'll hopefully get a pic within the next few days after they've made some decent progress.
Having another look at it today, I'm not sure I'm that fond of the glass though. It should look good when lit up at night, but it's way off the vibrant green shown in this render:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/image-31_edited.jpg
AtD March 31st, 2005, 09:54 AM The blue/green might just be funky tricks with CAD. A reflection of sky, perhaps?
Adelarch April 1st, 2005, 09:30 AM They're back onto glazing the Advertiser building again. I'll hopefully get a pic within the next few days after they've made some decent progress.
Having another look at it today, I'm not sure I'm that fond of the glass though. It should look good when lit up at night, but it's way off the vibrant green shown in this render:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/image-31_edited.jpg
Yeah I'm a bit surprised by the glass - they've started to add another darker stripe to the side of the building which looks a bit ordinary to me quite frankly. I'm just hoping the Waymouth St facade turns out something like the render on Baulderstone's website
http://www.bh.com.au/images/projects/78ProjectsSlide.jpg
Pants April 6th, 2005, 06:50 AM Finally worked out where the webcam was:
>Webcam (http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcam1.html)
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/allegra/all_4.jpg
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/waymouth/way_3.jpg
Pants April 7th, 2005, 01:30 AM From yesterday. Was starting to get a bit dark:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser1-6-4-05_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser2-6-4-05_edited.jpg
AtD April 11th, 2005, 11:23 AM Bit more cladding
http://www.photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/11-Apr-05/picture%20002_std.jpg
http://www.photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/11-Apr-05/picture%20004_std.jpg
http://www.photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/11-Apr-05/picture%20005_std.jpg
Pants April 12th, 2005, 10:11 AM From today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser12-4-05008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser12-4-05009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser12-4-05010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser12-4-05011.jpg
pikey April 12th, 2005, 10:23 AM This thing is looking shit hot. Let's hope that the City Central tower is as schmick as when done
jacobsian April 12th, 2005, 10:40 AM I've got renders/plans of the whole site, unfortunately no scanner. What I can tell you though, is the western facade of the city central tower is a shit hot looking silver!
pikey April 12th, 2005, 11:05 AM Dude, you have to get it on here somehow....
AG April 12th, 2005, 11:27 AM Take a photo of a rendering?
AtD April 12th, 2005, 12:06 PM Scanner at Uni?
Pants April 12th, 2005, 01:24 PM Mate, you HAVE to find a way to get in on here.
Adder-Laid April 12th, 2005, 01:42 PM Yob ya lazy bastard, we wanna see it! :)
pikey April 13th, 2005, 11:29 AM Here's something on it in this weeks messenger.
http://users.tpg.com.au/dnly00/images/Messenger2.jpg
A bit off track from the current pace of this thread, but all of the shitty shops around the corner of Bentham and Franklin have been vacated. One notice pointed out that demolition was to start not long after vacation of the place, and that was dated Dec 2004.
This 12 level jobbie should start very soon
Pants April 14th, 2005, 02:31 AM Any closer to figuring out how to get the renders on here yob?
jacobsian April 14th, 2005, 03:36 AM First I need to figure out how to do a 2,000 word IR paper, 2,500 word sociology paper, and 1,500 word statistical data analysis report by monday :)
Muse April 14th, 2005, 04:01 AM First I need to figure out how to do a 2,000 word IR paper, 2,500 word sociology paper, and 1,500 word statistical data analysis report by monday :)Stop teasing people. You knew everyone would want to see them. :no:
....
Pants April 14th, 2005, 04:14 AM First I need to figure out how to do a 2,000 word IR paper, 2,500 word sociology paper, and 1,500 word statistical data analysis report by monday :)
Your priorities are fucked, but good luck with that mate. ;)
They're moving quick on the 'Tiser building. Have started glazing the front.
Pants April 22nd, 2005, 02:53 AM Front's coming along.
From the webcam:
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/fad/fad_3.jpg
Pants April 28th, 2005, 06:09 AM From today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/CityCentral-28-4-05_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser1-28-4-05_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser2-28-4-05_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Advertiser3-28-4-05_edited.jpg
Howie April 28th, 2005, 06:20 AM phwoar that's gone up quickly :)
looking amazing there... thanks for the pics again pants.
Will April 29th, 2005, 10:55 AM Great photos Pants! I love the first one, great to see cranes all over the CBD!
Pants May 3rd, 2005, 05:47 AM From today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/3-5-05001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/3-5-05002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/3-5-05003.jpg
Howie May 3rd, 2005, 06:13 AM Great pics again Pants... :thumbup:
Thanks for sharing them.
Pants May 8th, 2005, 11:52 PM From yesterday:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/8-5-05005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/8-5-05003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/8-5-05015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/8-5-05014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/8-5-05004.jpg
AdelaideSkytraveller May 9th, 2005, 06:03 AM Was anyone here from this forum the spiderman that
was caught absailing one of adelaides tall buildings hahahahah
jacobsian May 9th, 2005, 12:27 PM Your pics are rad Pants. Every bloody one of 'em.
Pants May 9th, 2005, 10:55 PM Thanks mate. I do what I can. :)
Adelarch May 10th, 2005, 03:28 PM still waiting for the damn waymouth facade to happen lol :bash:
Skeletor May 11th, 2005, 04:49 AM Top stuff Pants, always the dependable photographer ;)
I'm also gettin a wee bit impatient for the Waymouth facade to get crankin, but it can't be too far away.
In the end Ive gotta say I like the building :)
Pants May 12th, 2005, 07:59 AM From the webcam.
Eastern wall's almost fully glazed:
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/waymouth/way_1.jpg
Waymouth facade moving along too:
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/fad/fad_3.jpg
pikey May 14th, 2005, 06:18 AM Crappy day for taking pics, but meh, hee you go anyhow
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/3592153/7392823/96497565.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/3592153/7392823/96497540.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/3592153/7392823/96497559.jpg
Adelarch May 15th, 2005, 03:46 AM thanks for the shots pikey :)
the waymouth facade is looking quite interesting even with out the glazing, must be just a matter of days now...
redstar May 15th, 2005, 05:19 AM coming along nicely indeed and plus the cranes look soo good now.. btw im in melb now and i can just tell youse its f****** awesome ova here
scuse my lang... but i just gotta say it.
Pants May 15th, 2005, 10:20 PM coming along nicely indeed and plus the cranes look soo good now.. btw im in melb now and i can just tell youse its f****** awesome ova here
scuse my lang... but i just gotta say it.
Are you there for good like you said you would be Shuz, or just for a holiday?
Pants June 5th, 2005, 01:45 PM From today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Picture014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Picture019.jpg
They've started glazing the front. Shouldn't be too long before it's all lit up and scrolling news headlines:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Picture020.jpg
pikey June 21st, 2005, 08:32 AM There's a heap more glass on the Northern side of the building now. Have a giz at the webcam.
Pants June 25th, 2005, 03:21 AM Advertiser crane's coming down.
AG June 25th, 2005, 04:07 AM The A-frame and the boom are now taken apart and back on the ground.
Pants June 26th, 2005, 11:26 PM I imagine they'll use it as the second crane for City Central One, which is due to go up soon.
jacobsian July 6th, 2005, 06:08 PM Okay it's official, the old Advertiser building will be demolished, not renovated.
An interesting history here. The reason why the floors are 3.7m high in City Central 1 is because they intended to link it to the old advertiser building. However, it's all for naught, because the old thing is going to go.
It will be replaced by another 12 storey building, which i'm assuming will look the same as the redeveloped advertiser building would have. Cost of development $25,000,000.
Pants July 9th, 2005, 06:15 AM ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/IMG_0359.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/IMG_0355.jpg
jacobsian July 9th, 2005, 06:21 AM Shiny.
Adelarch July 9th, 2005, 08:31 AM wow, interesting facade detailing. Judging by the render there's another layer of glass yet to be installed at the tip of those projections, which will form the 'screen' for the interactive display (??)
http://www.bh.com.au/images/projects/78ProjectsSlide.jpg
thanks for all the pics pants
redstar July 9th, 2005, 12:31 PM i dont like the lettering on the windows.... seems disturbing
Pants July 11th, 2005, 08:57 AM ^ That's the main feature of the building mate. It's going to display news headlines.
Although, driving past today, they've put up one of the final glass panels and it has an 'r' on it and doesn't look like it could change to other letters. Maybe they're fixed letters afterall.
On the off-chance you can make it out from the webcam pic, here 'tis (bottom left):
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/fad/fad_1.jpg
pikey July 12th, 2005, 12:57 AM hmm. maybe the rumored budget cut on this building was true?
Pants July 12th, 2005, 01:13 AM Never heard of a budget cut mate. Murdoch must be on hard times. Poor bastard.
If you look at the render above from Bauldie's site, it look as though the front has the different sections of The Advertiser, "sport", "careers", "jobs" etc written on it.
It would still look great fixed like that, but scrolling headlines would be way better.
pikey July 12th, 2005, 01:47 AM If you get up close to the glazing though, you'll see fine dots, as per a projection screen, so, maybe it'll still go ahead - dunno?
Hercules Morse July 12th, 2005, 01:15 PM If you get up close to the glazing though, you'll see fine dots, as per a projection screen, so, maybe it'll still go ahead - dunno?
Sorry to disappoint - feature facade only guys, not a plasma screen! Always has been.
Pants July 13th, 2005, 04:32 AM Thanks for clearing that up Herc. Don't know where I heard that it would display news headlines, but I'm sure I did...somewhere.
If you're reading, can you perhaps clear this up for me too? The striking blue/green glass from the renders...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/image-31_edited.jpg
...what happened to it? What we've ended up with is kinda dull. I know that renders over-saturate colours, but still...
pikey July 17th, 2005, 03:14 AM Here's a couple of pics from yesterday. The waymouth glazing is coming along nicely, and you can see the first pane of feature glass Pants was talking about.
http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL343/2004633/3879099/104663251.jpg
http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL343/2004633/3879099/104663244.jpg
Hercules Morse July 17th, 2005, 08:43 AM Thanks for clearing that up Herc. Don't know where I heard that it would display news headlines, but I'm sure I did...somewhere.
If you're reading, can you perhaps clear this up for me too? The striking blue/green glass from the renders...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/image-31_edited.jpg
...what happened to it? What we've ended up with is kinda dull. I know that renders over-saturate colours, but still...
No science....final architects selection. Those old grainy renders were around well before the design development process had finished.
pikey July 17th, 2005, 12:09 PM Hey Herc, a bit off the topic, but will the core at CC1 be numbered? I was told it would but so far nothing.
Cheers mate
Hercules Morse July 17th, 2005, 01:06 PM Hey Herc, a bit off the topic, but will the core at CC1 be numbered? I was told it would but so far nothing.
Cheers mate
Maybe when it gets a bit higher, Pikey. Problem is its not that important (except inside the shaft).. agree it looks good though, hey!
Pants July 19th, 2005, 02:51 AM No science....final architects selection. Those old grainy renders were around well before the design development process had finished.
Thought as much. Thanks for clearing that up. Not sure why they've chosen what they have over something with a bit more colour, but who am I to argue with Fender Katsalidis?
Hercules Morse July 19th, 2005, 06:58 AM ....or E.G.O!
Pants July 20th, 2005, 05:06 AM ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/20705010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/20705007.jpg
And the centrepiece of this whole f'n show, the Adelaide G.P.O:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/20705005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/20705006.jpg
redstar July 20th, 2005, 08:49 AM Big news for everyone, moderator Cullwulla provided me with some very good news about the City Central Project.
It is possible and quite likely that one of the City Central Towers (residential or hotel, i think) will be raised from 85m to about 100-115m!
No bullshit, all true. Just ask cullwulla.
adelaide will have a pretty good block of skyscrapers if all this goes ahead andgets built. Should be named The General Block. after the the GPO of course.
Pants July 20th, 2005, 08:54 AM Not that I don't trust you, but...
Cul?
redstar July 20th, 2005, 08:57 AM heres proof.... second post in on this thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=235413
AG July 20th, 2005, 09:11 AM If you want anyone to believe anything you say, then you must produce some form of proof, not someone else's post unless it actually contains any proof in the form of information, not an opinion or thought.
There is no proof yet, so don't start pissing your pants in excitement.
Pants July 20th, 2005, 09:19 AM To be fair to redstar, you'd imagine that Cul got his information from a planner and that "significantly higher than 80m" might mean 100m+.
A bit better than speculation but nothing concrete just yet.
Good to hear either way.
pikey July 23rd, 2005, 04:15 AM Sorry to disappoint - feature facade only guys, not a plasma screen! Always has been.
Hey Herc, just a quick qestion with CC1, are we at level 3 in box or 4? Guess I'm just a bit confused with the "blank" rise, that's all.
Cheers mate
AG July 23rd, 2005, 04:52 AM If you include ground level, 4th floor is in the corebox formwork. The concrete for ground floor has been poured now. The large gap between ground and level 1 would be due to the fact of a larger ceiling-floor height of the ground level, which is common in many large buildings.
Pants August 4th, 2005, 02:52 AM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/040805002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/040805004.jpg
Will August 4th, 2005, 09:12 AM The Advertiser building looks really modern and attractive - a great addition to the city, it's just a shame it isn't a few floors taller.
Pants August 8th, 2005, 02:56 AM Different render of the new 'tiser building:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Developments1_edited-1.jpg
Pants August 16th, 2005, 04:11 AM From this morning:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/160805002_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/160805004_edited.jpg
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