Tekst BUS tuleb Liiklusseadusest.

Huvitav kas läheb nagu Topi liiklussõlmega? Mulle tunudb, et selle rahaga sellisel kujul seda küll valmis ei ehita. Pilt on iseenesest päris uhke :)

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/673/vo2f.jpg
Paras overkill minu arvates. Paar viadukti veel lisaks ja on nagu mingi inseneri/teeplaneerija märg unenägu :D

Muide,keegi viitsib selgitada mis mõttet omavad need "augud" ringtee keskel? Ma nagu mäletan,et mingil kaartil oli sinna märgitud parklad - miks teha parkla ringtee keskele?

^^ Need on settebasseinid. Kogu ristmikul tekkiv vooluvesi juhitakse nendesse. See on vajalik juhtudel, kui põhjavesi on liialt tundlik(kergesti reostuv), et vett otse sinna juhtida.

Kui arvestada, et tegemist on kahe Eesti põhimaantee ja ühe Tallinna olulisima magistraaltee ristumiskohaga, siis ma ei nimetaks seda overkilliks. Nagu ennist mainisin, oli algne versioon tunduvalt mastaapsem.
http://www.ehitaja.ee/images/content/big/107.jpg
Nagu fotolt näha võib, siis algse plaani kohaselt puudusid samatasandilised ristumised ning Tallinna ringtee oli otse ühendatud Laagna teega.

hmmm, uuel variandil on üks viadukt rohkem aga need on väiksemad

About Väo... New solution takes up less space than previous one, and also takes into account few households near Pirita river, which will have proper access road with tunnel (previous solution didn't include it). Btw, this access road tunnel (on the left side of big picture) will have only one lane for both directions.

^^ Samas selle tankla juurdepookimine uude planeeringusse on suht nonsenss.

^^
Ei olnud. Täiesti tavalised ristmikud olid.
Google arvab teisiti: http://goo.gl/maps/AcivN ;)

Need on settebasseinid. Kogu ristmikul tekkiv vooluvesi juhitakse nendesse. See on vajalik juhtudel, kui põhjavesi on liialt tundlik(kergesti reostuv), et vett otse sinna juhtida.
Hmm,seal on siis ilmselt mingid filtrid vahel ja hiljem juhitakse settetiikide vesi Pirita jõkke?
Kui arvestada, et tegemist on kahe Eesti põhimaantee ja ühe Tallinna olulisima magistraaltee ristumiskohaga, siis ma ei nimetaks seda overkilliks. Nagu ennist mainisin, oli algne versioon tunduvalt mastaapsem.
http://www.ehitaja.ee/images/content/big/107.jpg
Nagu fotolt näha võib, siis algse plaani kohaselt puudusid samatasandilised ristumised ning Tallinna ringtee oli otse ühendatud Laagna teega.
Esimene versioon on hulka puhtam (ja kas tõesti nii palju kallim? :dunno:),teine on ühendus ja haruteede rägastik. Ma võin kihla vedada,et tulevikus eksivad inimesed seal tihti ära.

Muide,päris vinge oleks näha Väo liiklussõlme koos Loo-Maardu liiklussõlmega koos ühel pildil.

Google arvab teisiti: http://goo.gl/maps/AcivN ;)
Märgid või? :dunno:

Sa ütlesid samaliigilised ;) Ma pean silmas seda,et uued ristmikud on tee tasapinnast pisut kõrgemad ("lamava politseiniku" taolise künkaga),ristmiku küljed on märgistatud,autode pidurduskohad on märgitud asfaldile jne ja üleüldse on palju pandud rõhku ristmiku ohutumaks muutmiseks.

PS - Google? Pfff,nad asuvad Ameerikas,aga ma elan ca 300m kaugusel Tedre tänavast :D

http://www.ehitaja.ee/images/content/big/107.jpg

Man, what's wrong with this proposal? It's very practical type of junction with fluent access to main streams. That roundabout would just slow traffic down.

^^ It partially occupied an area that was under nature protection...that was the main reason for choosing the other project...at least that's what they say.

üleüldse on palju pandud rõhku ristmiku ohutumaks muutmiseks
Ohutum on kindlasti. Aga siiski on nendelt teistelt tänavatelt, näiteks Västrikust keeramine Tedre tänavale üsna kitsas tehtud. Isegi sõiduautoga jääb kohati ruumi väheks, mis siis veel suurest autost rääkida. Igal pool kõrged äärekivid kah. Aga muidu pole viga seal sõita.

Väo interchange :)

http://www.mnt.ee/index.php?id=21141
http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP020320/DP020320168918.bmp
http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP020320/DP020320168920.pdf
On the last file (pdf), you can see text: "perspektiivne trammitee" (possible tramway), which is placed on Laagna tee.
If you look more, then you see that it goes through that old soviet tunnel (or whatever thing it is) and then turns back behind it.

^^ See ristmik on juba nn kärbitud versioon. Algses versioonis puudusid täielikult samatasandilised ristumised. Nii et kui mingi versioon üldse ehitusse läheb, siis on see praegune.

Seda küll, aga see summa tundub natuke liiga väike. Võrdleme näiteks Topi hankega - riik lootis hakkama saada 9.6 mln euroga, minimaalne pakkumine tuli 17,2 mln eurot. Nagu pildilt näha, oli Topi lõplik lahendus veel kärbitud.

Topi - 2 viadukti + raudtee viadukt
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5946/topiuus2.png

Kui sellise objekti pakkumised tulid 18 miljoni euro kanti, siis kuidas peaks olema võimalik 19 miljoni euroga ära ehitada poole mahukam Väo liiklussõlm?

Väo - 4 viadukti + 1 tunnel + 2 uut Pirita jõe silda
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5769/vouus.png

^^ Samas selle tankla juurdepookimine uude planeeringusse on suht nonsenss.

Olerex ju rahastas ristmiku planeerimist - http://www.mnt.ee/public/Olerex23022012.pdf

Kindlasti oleks saanud selle esialgse lahenduse väiksemaks teha ja kõrvaldada puudused, aga millegi pärast visati see minema ja tehti täiesti uus, mille keskel laiutab Olerexi tankla.. kahtlane.

Ohutum on kindlasti. Aga siiski on nendelt teistelt tänavatelt, näiteks Västrikust keeramine Tedre tänavale üsna kitsas tehtud. Isegi sõiduautoga jääb kohati ruumi väheks, mis siis veel suurest autost rääkida. Igal pool kõrged äärekivid kah. Aga muidu pole viga seal sõita.
Päris ideaalset lahendust ei oleks saanudki seal teha ruumikitsikuse tõttu. Võrreldes varasemaga on seal praegu ikka päris lai kiirtee :D

Ja tere tulemast Skyscrapercity foorumisse,kopirait! :wave:
On the last file (pdf), you can see text: "perspektiivne trammitee" (possible tramway), which is placed on Laagna tee.
If you look more, then you see that it goes through that old soviet tunnel (or whatever thing it is) and then turns back behind it.
"Perspektiivne trammitee" is marked on several Maardu detail plans too,so it's good to know that they have atleast set the route for it.

And speaking of that thing at the far end of Laagna tee > http://goo.gl/maps/MzPa
What the hell is it anyway? Has anyone heard about it's purpose? It looks like tunnel for unbuilt overpass and if it's so,then are there any plans out there for that route? I imagine that it's built in 80's or so...

Tere tulemast Skyscrapecity foorumisse,Valvejoodik (hea nimi! :D)!

the tunnel was built for the proposed fast tram as an access to the depot in 1987-88

picture from the book "Tallinna Tramm 120" (made the tunnel red)
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/taniel0401/imastu10.jpg

^^
Wow! :shocked: I knew that light rail depot was planned to Lasnamäe,but that they drew actual plans for depot... And on the map tram tracks seems to continue further South-east,towards Loo borough. Very intriguing.

^^
Wow! :shocked: I knew that light rail depot was planned to Lasnamäe,but that they drew actual plans for depot... And on the map tram tracks seems to continue further South-east,towards Loo borough. Very intriguing.

not only they drew plans they constructed a access rail line from Maardu rail yard for the rail laying train.

picture from Reedik Võrno's book "Miks Tallinna kiirtramm valmis ei saa"

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/taniel0401/DSC03045.jpg ©Reedik Võrno

That track to South-east was planned to go to Maardu

picture from "Tallinna Tramm 120"

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/taniel0401/imastu11.jpg

Ülemiste intersection works:

http://www.upload.ee/image/2553418/SSC11.jpg
Western part of the viaduct over Tartu Maantee.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2553423/SSC13.jpg
Eastern part of viaduct.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2553424/SSC12.jpg
One wall of viaduct is completed.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2553427/SSC14.jpg
Filtri tee.

re: Ülemiste

huvitav, kui nad hakkavad teist seina ehitada, Peterburi mnt on tervenisti kinni, voi üks rida mahub sinna 'pildil vasakule' ?

...picture from Reedik Võrno's book "Miks Tallinna kiirtramm valmis ei saa"
picture from "Tallinna Tramm 120"...
Tin_Can peab enda raamatukogu täiustama :D Ma olen mõlemaid raamatuid ignoreerinud,arvates et vaevalt seal midagi uut on.

Kiirtrammitee ehituseks tehtud harutee on täiesti shokeeriv. Kahju,et kommunism enda arvete eest ei suutnud maksta. :D Nõukogude süsteem oleks võinud kokku variseda paar aastat hiljem - meil oleks siis olnud ideaalne ühistranspordivõrk mida edasi arendada.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2553427/SSC14.jpg
Filtri tee.
Head pildid. Loodetavasti saab Filtri tee sügiseks valmis,kuna praegu on Lasnamäele liikumine ikka suht ebainimlik. See aitaks pisut leevendada Ülemiste ristmikuga seotud kannatusi.
re: Ülemiste

huvitav, kui nad hakkavad teist seina ehitada, Peterburi mnt on tervenisti kinni, voi üks rida mahub sinna 'pildil vasakule' ?
Üks rida peab sinna nii või teisiti mahtuma (vaata videot) ;) Vaevalt,et seal enne midagi toimuma hakkab,kui Majaka tn. ja Katusepapi Statoili vaheline teelõik on valmis. Praegu tehakse tol lõigul asfalteerimise eeltöid.

Vana video,aga see peaks selgitama kuidas asi välja nägema hakkab:
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Ja tere tulemast Skyscrapercity foorumisse,KarbesPurgis! :wave:

Kiirtrammitee ehituseks tehtud harutee on täiesti shokeeriv.

Route of that "railway link" is still visible on satellite maps.

Head pildid. Loodetavasti saab Filtri tee sügiseks valmis,kuna praegu on Lasnamäele liikumine ikka suht ebainimlik. See aitaks pisut leevendada Ülemiste ristmikuga seotud kannatusi.


http://www.yhistransport.eu/index.php/et/uudised/1-buss/353-bussiliini-17a-uehendamine-17-ga

(As I understood, Filtri road won't be opened this year...)

Ülemiste ristmiku fotod:

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558038/SSC1.jpg
Äkki tulevane (jalakäijate) tunnel?

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558044/SSC2.jpg
Autotunneli algus Järvevana teel.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558046/SSC3.jpg
Veerenni tänava lõpus asuv jalakäijate tunnel.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558048/SSC5.jpg
Vaade teiselt poolt (saab juba läbikäiguks kasutada, kuigi sildid on ees :D)

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558057/SSC14.jpg
Ja üks pilt Kadrioru "jõgedest" :D

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558038/SSC1.jpg
Äkki tulevane (jalakäijate) tunnel?


Jah, sellest saab jalakäijate tunnel.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558057/SSC14.jpg
Ja üks pilt Kadrioru "jõgedest" :D

:lol:

^^ Need jalakäijate tunnelid on eluõudsad. Nagu mingid tuumapommivarjendi sissepääsud - sada prossa eht nõukogudeliidulikus võtmes. Väga rõve.

Teiseks sellel pildil, kus paremal läheb alla tunnelisse ja vasakul autotee tõus - nende vahel on mingi 1 meetri laiune "jalakäijate tee", millel täpselt keskele on paigutatud tänavavalgustuspostid. 5+ lahendus debiilsuse skaalal. Arusaamatuks jääb ka 30 cm kõrgune ja 15 cm paksune betoonbarjäär selle "jalgtee" otsas, mingi "sõida-auto-sodiks" lahendus või talvel suure lume sees olev "sahamehe üllatus". Need projekteerijad tahtsid jällegi parimat aga läks ikka nii nagu alati.

Kadrioru jõed lähevad kompalt ja atmosfäärilt ideaalselt kokku järvevana tee piltidega. Üleüldse sadu aastaid vanasse kuninglikku parki on ilgelt lahe mingid betoonist pissuaarid ehitada - kuigi Tallinna kõrtsides olev wc renn on kitsuke ja mahub kõrvuti vähe mehi, siis Kadrioru pargis polnuki ennem sellist ametlikku linnarahvale vastutulelikku lahendust disainitud kusemiskoha poole pealt. Kuna meie rahvas on sellise individualistliku olemisega, siis renni ääres pole häbenemiseks põhjust, renni ääres ruumi on piisavalt ja põiekaga naaber ei pea ilmtingimata külg-külje vastu tulema. See on ju lausa humaanne. Väga edumeelne. Kui õllefestival Laululava juures ongi põiele koormav - tuleb üks Kadrioru käik ette võtta. Elementaarne.

renni ääres ruumi on piisavalt ja põiekaga naaber ei pea ilmtingimata külg-külje vastu tulema. See on ju lausa humaanne. Väga edumeelne. Kui õllefestival Laululava juures ongi põiele koormav - tuleb üks Kadrioru käik ette võtta. Elementaarne.
Kui nüüd nii mõelda, siis tõesti. Kui kasutamine suureks läheb, siis ehk pannakse mingi ühisteenuste tädi hädalistelt renni kasutamise eest lausa raha küsima:cheers:

http://www.upload.ee/image/2558048/SSC5.jpg

Teiseks sellel pildil, kus paremal läheb alla tunnelisse ja vasakul autotee tõus - nende vahel on mingi 1 meetri laiune "jalakäijate tee", millel täpselt keskele on paigutatud tänavavalgustuspostid.

Muuseas, see "jalakäijate tee" ei vii kuhugi, kuna Järvevana tee bussipeatusele saab Veerenni tänavalt ainult tunneli kaudu (kui see on läbitav)...

See "jalakäijate tee" ei ole mõeldudki jalakäijatele - tegu on eraldusribaga ja ilmselt tänu raudteeülesõidu ligidusele ei olnud seal võimalik haljastust kasutada. Nii et erilist vahet pole mitu tänavavalgustusposti sinna keskele on istutatud. Pildil on näha,et kergliiklustee keerab pisut Veerenni tänava poole. Natuke kaugemal jooksevad need teineteise vastu kokku ja see "tee" lõppeb ära.

Muide,mulle meeldib Ülemiste kergliiklustunnelite välimus. Sihuke mõnus brutalismi näide :yes: Häiriv on pigem see,et piki Järvevana jooksev kergliiklustee kulgeb otse tunnelite eest läbi. Ma kahtlustan,et kõik ratturid ei viitsi seal languse peal pidurdada ja tunnelite juures võib suht ohtlikke olukordi tekkida. Selles suhtes oleks mõistlik olnud tunnelitesse viiv tee eraldada kergliiklusteest ja viimane ülevalt mööda tuua. Selline "kahe realine" kergliiklustee oleks hulka ohutum.

korralik rapecave see tunnel:D

Kuritegevuse üle ei maksa Ülemiste ristmiku tunnelites ilmselt muretseda, sest jalakäijate arv on selles piirkonnas nii väike, et ükski varas ei viitsiks seal tunnelis passida. Kui tõeliselt brutaalset tunnelit on soov vaadata, siis Pildiküla bussipeatuse tunnel on päris hea näide (läheb Tallinna-Tartu maantee alt läbi).

Rohkem on kahju nendest Kadrioru kanalitest. Kas tõesti oleks olnud nii raske teha längus seinadega kanal, mille oleks saanud pinnasega katta?

Enivei, ma juba ostsin spray värvi ära ja mõtlesin et kui kena oleks, et betontsile ilmuksid eesti poliitikute nimed. Võiks alustada ka seltskonnakroonika tegelastest. Evelin Ilves jne.

Siis saaks kuserenni lastes kohe mõne nime peale lasta. Maandab pingeid.

Olen kogu aeg mõelnud, et graffity peaks ühiskonda teenima. Tundub, et siin on mingi otsene connection.

2012 toob graffiti parki aastast 1700 - aitäh eesti arhitektid ja tellijad! Muudame üheskoos pargi getoks. Parima tuleviku nimel ... je-jee :ohno:

Häiriv on pigem see,et piki Järvevana jooksev kergliiklustee kulgeb otse tunnelite eest läbi. Ma kahtlustan,et kõik ratturid ei viitsi seal languse peal pidurdada ja tunnelite juures võib suht ohtlikke olukordi tekkida.

Jah, see ristumine Veerenni/Järvevana kergliiklustunneliga ei lahendatud just parimal viisil...
Samasugust olukorda võib näha Sõjakooli peatuse jalakäijate tunnelis Tammsaare tee all.
Aga Filtri tee piirkonda ehitataval tunnelil on natuke teistsugune lahendus, kuid tundub, et seal ka oma konks sees...

Kuritegevuse üle ei maksa Ülemiste ristmiku tunnelites ilmselt muretseda, sest jalakäijate arv on selles piirkonnas nii väike, et ükski varas ei viitsiks seal tunnelis passida.

Sellega ma ei ole nõus... vähemalt kui meenutada neid mälestusüritusi, mis paar korda aastas toimuvad Kaitseväe kalmistul. :lol: :lol:
Veerenni/Järvevana kergliiklustunnel tundub mõttetu, kuid sinna tehakse ka bussipeatus, nii et tulevikus võib jalakäijate arv suureneda... Siia võib lisada ka populaarsust koguv nn Lääne-Tallinna kergliiklustee...

SEBE bought 8 new Scania Irizar buses for Tallinn-Tartu line.

SEBE AS,part of Mootor Grupp, bought 8 new Scania Irizar buses for 3 million €. Buses will be used on Tallinn-Tartu line's 'Täistunniekspress' service. New buses start operating in next Wednesday.

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Source: http://ap3.ee/article/2012-08-02/fotod_sebe_investeeris_3_miljonit_tallinn_tartu_bussidesse

In related news,in last month another Mootor Grupp company Lux Express also bought Scania Irizar buses. For 1417600€ they got 4 new buses which will be used on Tallinn-Riga-Vilnius route. Buses will operate as so-called Lux Express Lounge service (you can read more about it here (http://www.luxexpress.eu/lux-express-lounge))

Source: http://www.luxexpress.eu/pressiteade-lux-expressi-liinidele-saabuvad-uued-luksuslikud-bussid

Everyone has own private LCD?:nuts:

^^ I wonder what will happen with the current hourly express buses...Tallinn-Narva line perhaps?

BTW, the matching ties are just awesome :D

The same personal entertainment system is already in operation on 3 daily Lux Express services on Tallinn-Riga and Riga-Vilnius as well as twice-daily Simple Express Vilnius-Berlin service.

Damn, train service might be ultracrappy in the Baltics, but they sure know how to make a bus ride pleasant :d.

Damn, train service might be ultracrappy in the Baltics, but they sure know how to make a bus ride pleasant :d.

If the road conditions are smooth..

Damn, train service might be ultracrappy in the Baltics

NO

I guess SEBE feels pressure to upgrade their bus fleet - in about 1,5 year's time they will get considerable competition from new passenger trains. Of course,passengers win from such bitter battle ;) Too bad that Taisto,Go Bus and other bus companies can't really keep up with large investments made by Mootor Grupp.

More photos by Delfi.ee:
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Source: http://majandus.delfi.ee/news/uudised/fotod-tallinna-tartu-taistunniekspressis-on-igal-reisijal-isiklik-meelelahutussusteem.d?id=64770896

Btw,I checked SEBE website and they have 8 buses running Täistunniekspress service,so with this purchase they replaced all buses on Tallinn-Tartu express route.

Nice buses to sit in a traffic jams when trying to escape Tallinn :)

Nice buses to sit in a traffic jams when trying to escape Tallinn :)
Well better than waiting 3+ hours for the next train in Balti jaam :)

Omg, every passenger also has his own power socket :drool:

Well better than waiting 3+ hours for the next train in Balti jaam :)
Definitely :)

An article about how outdated the PT lines structure is:

„Näiteks buss number 5 [liinil Metsakooli–Männiku], mis minu maja eest mööda sõidab, on peaaegu muutumatuna käigus aastast 1958. Aga kui palju on tänapäeval inimesi, kes tahavad sõita Lasnamäelt Männikule? Arvan, et peaaegu olematu hulk. Kuid liin ikka sõidab. Kogu see korraldus on läbimõtlematu."

Sama lugu on ka teiste ühistranspordiliikidega. „Tallinnas on formaalselt tramm olemas, aga rahuldab pigem sõjajärgse Tallinna vajadusi. Tramm peaks olema massiveo vahend ja ühendama Lasnamäge, Mustamäge, Õismäge nende kohtadega, kus inimesed tööl käivad. Praegu on ta lihtsalt relikt, mis kolistab marsruutidel, kus inimesi eriti ei liigu"

http://www.epl.ee/news/tallinn/vananenud-liinivork-muudab-uhistranspordirajad-mottetuks.d?id=64774248

An article about how outdated the PT lines structure is:



http://www.epl.ee/news/tallinn/vananenud-liinivork-muudab-uhistranspordirajad-mottetuks.d?id=64774248

The part about passengers from Lasnamäe to Männiku is complete BS.

Line no.5 is mostly used by Pirita-kose inhabitants to reach Centre or getting from Männiku to Centre. Of course some lines could use modernizing...:)

I use 5 quite often as well (my home stop is Vineeri), it's also quite handy to change to buses going to Viimsi / Lasnamaë from Poska stop without having to walk all the way to Viru Keskus bus terminal.

But I would say there are bigger problems than the routes of buses. The thing that annoys me the most is that in my "home stop" vineeri there are 4 bus lines (+2 rush hour lines) and 2 tram lines. However, they usually all run together in a period of 5 minutes after which for 10 minutes nothing comes...

Another annoying thing is that there are very little concentrated PT hubs. At important intersections (let's say Parnu Maantee and Jarvevana Tee or even Vabaduse Valjak) the stops should all be close to eachother so that people can easily switch between transport.

At Vabaduse valjak there are currently 8 stops (counted in all directions) and the distance between them can be 300m I think (for example for getting from Kaarli Puiestee bus stops to the stop on parnu maantee direction viru). Of course there are no signs whatsoever guiding you to those other stops.

I use 5 quite often as well (my home stop is Vineeri), it's also quite handy to change to buses going to Viimsi / Lasnamaë from Poska stop without having to walk all the way to Viru Keskus bus terminal.

But I would say there are bigger problems than the routes of buses. The thing that annoys me the most is that in my "home stop" vineeri there are 4 bus lines (+2 rush hour lines) and 2 tram lines. However, they usually all run together in a period of 5 minutes after which for 10 minutes nothing comes...

Another annoying thing is that there are very little concentrated PT hubs. At important intersections (let's say Parnu Maantee and Jarvevana Tee or even Vabaduse Valjak) the stops should all be close to eachother so that people can easily switch between transport.

At Vabaduse valjak there are currently 8 stops (counted in all directions) and the distance between them can be 300m I think (for example for getting from Kaarli Puiestee bus stops to the stop on parnu maantee direction viru). Of course there are no signs whatsoever guiding you to those other stops.

Yup, I also agree that line 5 is not probably not the best example, however the part about the tram lines is completely true, all the lines terminate at locations where most people dont ever need to go anymore.

Another great example about intersections is Mustamäe, where all the stops are located just between intersections, so in order to change lines one always needs to walk 0.5-1.0 km. Of course, the stops are conveniently placed for locals if they need to get to the centre, but interchanges on the other hand are not an option.

Yup, I also agree that line 5 is not probably not the best example, however the part about the tram lines is completely true, all the lines terminate at locations where most people dont ever need to go anymore.

Another great example about intersections is Mustamäe, where all the stops are located just between intersections, so in order to change lines one always needs to walk 0.5-1.0 km. Of course, the stops are conveniently placed for locals if they need to get to the centre, but interchanges on the other hand are not an option.

interesting...
tramlines and density of city are probably not aligned because of soviet (badly?) planned economy.. But which is easier, shifting tramline or densifying city around it?

interesting...
tramlines and density of city are probably not aligned because of soviet (badly?) planned economy.. But which is easier, shifting tramline or densifying city around it?

That is definately a good question. In the ideal situation it would probably be both e. g. extending the lines to the new dense areas and densifying the areas around existing lines.

That is definately a good question. In the ideal situation it would probably be both e. g. extending the lines to the new dense areas and densifying the areas around existing lines.

City Government should make every year 1 competition for some plots around those PT "new dense areas" and the winning entry gets plot free from City. That should be Idea of a city planning vs development investments to have better connections.

^^ Free plot???

Are you mad, where should our dear mayor get his propaganda money then, take away even more from kindergartens and schools? :lol:

Maybe with new City government yes...

^^ Free plot???

Are you mad, where should our dear mayor get his propaganda money then, take away even more from kindergartens and schools? :lol:

Maybe with new City government yes...

what new city-goverment? like new (and better) one? that wonderful one who rule our country and visits criminal police daily? :D

About SEBE's old Tallinn-Tartu express buses,which are replaced with new Scania Irizars in this week:

...Kompenseerimaks sõitjakohtade arvu vähenemist täistundidel, lisab Sebe busside väljumisi pooltundidel ja seal hakkavad sõitma seni täistunniekspressina sõitnud bussid...
Source: http://www.tartupostimees.ee/930578/sebe-saadab-taistundidel-liinile-uhiuued-ekspressid

Here's the question - how many seats have Irizars less compared to old buses? I somehow thought the difference was rather insignificant.

Oh,and Valvejoodik - each new bus also has drink vending machine and a working toilet (the latter being real rarity on Estonian intercity buses :D)

^^ 10% fewer seats. ----------------> "Ning istmevahed on senisest suuremad. Varem oli bussides 61 istekohta, nüüd on 56 ja jalaruumi peaks olema ka korvpalluritele."

And about toilets on intercity buses: I wouldn't call them a rarity any more. Sebe even has working toilets on the "noorte ekspress" service.

Muuseas,kui kaugele on Ranna tee remont jõudnud?^^ Pole alanudki. Töid on tehtud ainult Viimsi valla siseselt: uuesti on asfalteeritud lõik raudteest Viimsi marketi ringteeni, kusjuures uus teekattemärgistus viitab sellele, et tulevikus on mõlemas sõidusuunas vähemalt kaks rada Viimsi marketist kesklinnani välja. Mul on aga küll tõsine kahtlus, kas Tallinna-sisene lõik selle aastanumbri sees valmib. Kindel on see, et ehitus nihkub päris korralikult sügisesse, põhjustades Viimsi elanikele ilmselt korralikke lisaummikuid. Varase talve puhul võib juhtuda ka seda, et viimane kiht asfalti pannakse sinna alles järgmise aasta kevadel, nagu juhtus näiteks Pärnu maantee ümberehitusega (Hiiult Pääskülani).
Ranna tee remonti tuleb vist suht kaua oodata :nuts: Nimelt Tallinna linn tahab Viimsi vallalt remondiks lisaraha saada. Eelnevalt oli kokku lepitud,et kulud jaotatakse: 2/3 linnalt ja 1/3 valla poolt.

Link: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/931184/tallinn-kusib-viimsilt-teeremondiks-raha-juurde

is there any logical explanation why google maps absolutely missing Narva mnt (up until Pronksi), Pirita tee on a traffic map and Bing maps doesn't have traffic info for Tallinn at all

Estonian Police got first patch of 100% fully electric cars (19 cars). Cars are not for rapid police work but for Police logistics and side field police workers.
Cars will not have Police colorscheme or logos etc.

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/08/06/1256894t54h7ca0.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/08/06/1256902t54h2632.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/08/06/1256934t54he1e8.jpg

(Photos by Postimees/SCANPIX)

So guys, what do you think about IRL's idea of changing the traffic law to allow cars with 3+ people on bus lanes (apart from completely destroying the principles of local and central power)?

I think this is utter and complete bullshit. Even if I thought it was a good idea, there is no way this could somehow be enforced. It's been years since talking to a mobile phone while driving was banned in Estonia and everybody's still doing it with absolutely no consequences. Why would it be different with this?

So guys, what do you think about IRL's idea of changing the traffic law to allow cars with 3+ people on bus lanes (apart from completely destroying the principles of local and central power)?

I think this is utter and complete bullshit. Even if I thought it was a good idea, there is no way this could somehow be enforced. It's been years since talking to a mobile phone while driving was banned in Estonia and everybody's still doing it with absolutely no consequences. Why would it be different with this?

I agree, they is no way this can be enforced in a country like Estonia. Instead it would create even more tension between the drivers who see others breaking the law without any consequences.

The first ones who should be allowed on the bus lanes should be motocycles and scooters, just like in London fx. And perhaps licenced taxis, even if they are not carrying passengers.

Natuke teemakohast huumorit ka :) https://twitter.com/TLN_TRANSPORT

I agree, they is no way this can be enforced in a country like Estonia. Instead it would create even more tension between the drivers who see others breaking the law without any consequences.

The first ones who should be allowed on the bus lanes should be motocycles and scooters, just like in London fx. And perhaps licenced taxis, even if they are not carrying passengers.
I agree. Taxis use bus lanes in Tallinn anyway, even if they are not carrying passengers and that's fine by me. Emergency vehicles should also be allowed on bus lanes even when not using sirens, lights etc. There's an increasing shortage of ambulances in Tallinn and therefore their time is quite important.

Linnapea,linnavalitsuse liikmed ja MUPO peaks ka BUS'i radadele lubama :troll: Neil on ju eluvajalikud asjaajamised kogu aeg käsil.

So these streets are planned to be repaired in upcoming years ...IF city finds enough money to do that:


Tehnika street,section between Toompuiestee & Väike-Ameerika streets.
Suur-Sõjamäe street,section from Smuuli tee to city border (isn't that been in top priorities list for years now?)
Telliskivi street
Peterburi tee,between Majaka street & (future) Väo interchange.


Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/935310/tallinn-kavandab-jargmiste-aastate-teeremonte

Nothing about Põhjaväil,Haabersti junction or Tammsaare tee extension :(

This list could go on forever...

http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/935310/tallinn-kavandab-jargmiste-aastate-teeremonte

"Kui Ülemiste liiklussõlm järgmise aasta sügisel valmis saab, siis tuleb kommunaalameti andmetel uuendada teekatet ka Järvevana teel Ülemiste ristmikust nii Tammsaare tee kui Tartu maantee poole, kuna liiklus muutub seal väga tihedaks. See töö nihkub tõenäoliselt ülejärgmisesse aastasse."

Järvevana tee peaks olema 3+3 alates Ülemiste ristmikust kuni Pärnu maanteeni välja (peale- ja mahasõidud).

^^
Ja Järvevana tee raudteeülesõit (Tallinn-Väike-Liiva & Ülemiste-Liiva raudteed) peaks olema viidud viaduktidele. Suht absurdne,et sellise liiklustihedusega tänaval on samal tasapinnal raudteeülesõit.

^^
Ja Järvevana tee raudteeülesõit (Tallinn-Väike-Liiva & Ülemiste-Liiva raudteed) peaks olema viidud viaduktidele. Suht absurdne,et sellise liiklustihedusega tänaval on samal tasapinnal raudteeülesõit.

See tuletas kohe meelde Lätis kiirtee peal asetsevad samatasandilised raudteeülesõidud- vot see oli absurd, signaalkellad ja tõkkepuud ka veel juures :lol:

^^
Ja Järvevana tee raudteeülesõit (Tallinn-Väike-Liiva & Ülemiste-Liiva raudteed) peaks olema viidud viaduktidele. Suht absurdne,et sellise liiklustihedusega tänaval on samal tasapinnal raudteeülesõit.

Pärnu mnt, Kohila tn ja Järvevana tee vahelise maa-ala detailplaneeringul on ristumine raudteedega märgitud eritasandilisena, lisaks veel kaks perspektiivset uut teed, üks neist tundub olevat Viljandi mnt - Järvevana tee ühendus.

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP025080/DP025080152338.pdf

Preliminary schedule for electric train service from September 1st 2013: http://blog.elektriraudtee.ee/2012/08/elektrirongide-soiduplaan-1-september.html

Looking great! :D 4 trains per hour to Keila; Tallinn-Keila express travel time reduced to 25min (from 30) and normal Tallinn-Keila travel time reduced to 36min (from 42).

:drool:, i wonder if they start running diesel trains as frequently, hourly trains to Tallinn from Tapa would be AWESOME.

So these streets are planned to be repaired in upcoming years ...IF city finds enough money to do that:


Tehnika street,section between Toompuiestee & Väike-Ameerika streets.
Suur-Sõjamäe street,section from Smuuli tee to city border (isn't that been in top priorities list for years now?)
Telliskivi street
Peterburi tee,between Majaka street & (future) Väo interchange.


Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/935310/tallinn-kavandab-jargmiste-aastate-teeremonte

Nothing about Põhjaväil,Haabersti junction or Tammsaare tee extension :(
I'd say that Viru ring should also be reconstructed- at the moment it causes long traffic jams (one cause are these stupid BUS lanes).
Last evening i made a quick sketch how it should look, i'm gonna upload it later and i hope it looks good :D


EDIT:

As promised: my sketch of a Viru ring

http://www.upload.ee/image/2585588/RESviruring-maapealneJPGnooled.jpg
I understand that entrances and exits of the tunnels are maybe too close and they should be more apart (especially Mere - Narva tunnel). Also the project should need more space than current intersection area and moving tramway to Tammsaare park's side would need cutting some trees to make more room for stops. The plan isn't the greatest, but i'd say it is a good start...
Legend in English:
Green- road
Blue- tramway
red lines -places for traffic lights and onliest crossings.

And tunnel view:
http://www.upload.ee/image/2585600/RESviruring-maaaluneJPGnool.jpg
Legend:
yellow - tunnel
green - road entering tunnel
blue - road exiting the tunnel
red - tunnel exits and entrances

My main goal was not to make moo much level intersections and crossings, and i pretty much managed to fulfill it. I only used three crossings with tramway which should only be stopped if a tram approaches (needs special devices). I didn't draw any lanes because it would make plan too messy...
Roads from old town should be closed (maybe Viru st. can be left open). At the moment there aren't any pedestrian crossings, but the current Musumäe crossing can stay in the same place and centre of intersection should be closed for pedestrians (as now).

So, give your ideas and opinions about this:)

^^
Siis võiks kogu tee Draamateatrist Laikmaa tänavani ning Vene kultuurimajani tunnelisse viia, vooh.

I think there is simply no enough space to dig.

The solution is simple, make one of the three roads traffic-free. Preferably Pärnu maantee, as this would create a good link between the old and new town.

Estonia puiestee can then be widened (there is room) and a new museum could be built on the current pärnu maantee.

Also interesting to note that at this moment Pärnu maantee technically goes through the old town between Vabaduse väljak and Viru Väljak. Wouldn't it be great if there would be very good and safe pedestrian access to Estonia and Draamateater from the old town?

I think closing Pärnu Maantee would be quite tough decision because car drivers would protest against it really strongly...

Hehe, i'm really bored: decided to make a small map mod about your idea, did you meant something like that?

ORIGINAL:
http://www.upload.ee/image/2586353/MapSection29859.png
NEW:
http://www.upload.ee/image/2586355/parnumntviruringOD.jpg

some notes:
the green area between musumägi and Tammsaare park could be some "flower area" or maybe some small water canals? (similar to Kadrioru park's ones)
The open and paved area near tram stop can be used for open-air installations and for exhibitions. The tramway can be separated from pedestrians by using similar chains as on Tartu Maantee.

^^
Siis võiks kogu tee Draamateatrist Laikmaa tänavani ning Vene kultuurimajani tunnelisse viia, vooh.

Miks mitte tunnel siis juba kino Kosmose juurest Linnahallini ja seal see tunnelis asuva põhjaväil-iga ühendada?

Hehe, i'm really bored: decided to make a small map mod about your idea, did you meant something like that?

ORIGINAL:
http://www.upload.ee/image/2586353/MapSection29859.png
NEW:
http://www.upload.ee/image/2586355/parnumntviruringOD.jpg

some notes:
the green area between musumägi and Tammsaare park could be some "flower area" or maybe some small water canals? (similar to Kadrioru park's ones)
The open and paved area near tram stop can be used for open-air installations and for exhibitions. The tramway can be separated from pedestrians by using similar chains as on Tartu Maantee.

Yep, looks great :).

And I don't know if there would be much resistance from car drivers. Let's be honest, why do you need to use that stretch? To get to Viru Keskus / Narva Maantee? Then use Liivalaia or Estonia Puiestee. To get to the harbour? Use Liivalaia - Joe.

I've never lived here when Vabaduse Valjak still allowed trolley's and cars going through the old town, but since it's pedestrian only I can really only see the benefits for everyone. Same would happen with Parnu maantee.

There are of course some problems: The crossings at Laikmaa / Hobujaama / Narva Maantee are also one of the busiest for pedestrians. If you would lead more traffic there, it would be quite an unpleasant intersection.

But then again, if traffic just always goes through the inner ring road (Liivalaia / Joe), then there's not really a problem.

valvejoodik, which gis program did you use to make that map?

Pärnu mnt, Kohila tn ja Järvevana tee vahelise maa-ala detailplaneeringul on ristumine raudteedega märgitud eritasandilisena, lisaks veel kaks perspektiivset uut teed, üks neist tundub olevat Viljandi mnt - Järvevana tee ühendus.

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP025080/DP025080152338.pdf
Ahaa,nii et Järvevana raudteeülesõidu eritasandiliseks muutmise peale on isegi mõeldud. Muidugi eeldaks see ka peale linna ka Edelaraudteelt suurt investeeringut... mida viimased kohe kindlasti ei kavatse teha pärast riigi otsust reisijateveo korraldamise osas.

Viljandi mnt & Järvevana ühendustee on huvitav. Arvata võib,et ühendustee aitaks pisut vähendada liiklusmahtu Pärnu mnt-l. Seda tee on muide märgitud mitmetele detailplaneeringutele ja tee otsest asukohta ei ole vist siiani paika pandud - ühes variandis jookseb ühendustee Ülemiste järve sanitaartsooni kõrvalt osaliselt seda isegi läbides.

valvejoodik, which gis program did you use to make that map?
Saved image from maa amet and then edited with Photoshop ;)

Saved image from maa amet and then edited with Photoshop ;)

oh.. well. keeping it simple principle..

Some pics from the renovation of Tallinn Bus station

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t365/uuedpildid/2d9d3320.jpg

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t365/uuedpildid/5b072498.jpg

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t365/uuedpildid/f33a7627.jpg

Looks like a crappy government building... Tallinn needs a new bus station.

Tallinn needs BIGGER and better placed bus station

Tallinn needs BIGGER and better placed bus station

I would love the Idea, that Tallinn Bus Station could situated in Tallinn Airport parking lot. And tram should go to Airport. But yeah...

I would love it if bus station would be under ground in city centre. For example under Viru keskus :drool:
Kind of mission impossible but that is how I imagine it.

I would love the Idea, that Tallinn Bus Station could situated in Tallinn Airport parking lot. And tram should go to Airport. But yeah...

might aswell put Tallinn bus station in Tartu, i mean, if were at it?

I would love it if bus station would be under ground in city centre. For example under Viru keskus :drool:
Kind of mission impossible but that is how I imagine it.
+1 but...add an underground central train station to that and you have yourself a perfect transport hub. ;)

what is the point to have bus station in city center - you still have to drive in and out of the city and in happy hour (7-10 am and 4-7 pm) it would be ... splendid?

http://riotousassembly.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bunny-suicide-411.jpeg

Oh, I forgot the new BUS lanes...yeah, you might get now +3 min handycap.

Damn sad, that Eliel Saarisen Tallinn masterplan didnt get that west-east fat motorway.

what is the point to have bus station in city center - you still have to drive in and out of the city and in happy hour (7-10 am and 4-7 pm) it would be ... splendid?

http://riotousassembly.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bunny-suicide-411.jpeg

Oh, I forgot the new BUS lanes...yeah, you might get now +3 min handycap.

Damn sad, that Eliel Saarisen Tallinn masterplan didnt get that west-east fat motorway.

the point of the bus station in the centre is that its reachable by the biggest amount of public transport lines.

^^ Exactly. I'd much rather step off the intercity bus in the centre and then hop straight to the bus/tram/trolleybus which I need. If the bus station was at the airport (or Ülemiste, pff), It would cost me an extra trip on a tram to get to the centre (which it already does, to be honest). The amount of people who take the bus to Tallinn to get to the airport is minute compared to the people who take the bus to Tallinn to...well...get to Tallinn.

It's strange how Tallinn is lacking behind Vilnius and Riga in this matter. Both in Vilnius and Riga you have the central bus and train stations right next to each other and in both cities they're in a very convenient place. In Estonia, you're not in the centre of the city whichever mode of transport you use to get to Tallinn and you have to travel by PT to get to the centre to travel anywhere else in Tallinn. If that's convenient then I'm a dog.

according to google maps, walking distance from majaka tram station to planned terminal place on Peterburi mnt is between 350m and 500m, comparing to 200m currently

http://goo.gl/maps/vUVYt
vs
http://goo.gl/maps/sMPvb

according to google maps, walking distance from majaka tram station to planned terminal place on Peterburi mnt is between 350m and 500m, comparing to 200m currently

http://goo.gl/maps/vUVYt
vs
http://goo.gl/maps/sMPvb

who cares?

who cares?

the one who makes budget call :)

re: viru ring and pärnu mnt

car tunnels in a city centre probably overkill. but pedestrian tunnels under viru ring and near lastemaailm would be really handy for overall traffic situation. same for hobujaama-narva mnt junction

^^ The only problem is that nobody likes pedestrian tunnels. They are fine under highways and motorways but not in the centre of Tallinn.

^^ The only problem is that nobody likes pedestrian tunnels. They are fine under highways and motorways but not in the centre of Tallinn.

- safer for pedestrians
- less waiting for public transport (isn't that what Tallinn wants)
- smoother general traffic

- safer for pedestrians
- less waiting for public transport (isn't that what Tallinn wants)
- smoother general traffic

bullshit bullshit bullshit.

makes me sick that the roads in Tallinn (pop 400 000) are bigger then the majority of the roads in Shanghai (pop 40 000 000).

bullshit bullshit bullshit.

makes me sick that the roads in Tallinn (pop 400 000) are bigger then the majority of the roads in Shanghai (pop 40 000 000).

quick glance on google maps (at the same map scale) invalidates your argument

There are already fewer pedestrians on the streets of Tallinn than in Western European cities of similar size. Why would you force them to dodgy and ugly tunnels? It's not the 60s anymore where the the dream city was just a huge motorway with no pedestrians.

+1 to ch1le

roads in Tallinn (and junctions are bigger and wider than in London or Amsterdam or even in NYC). That makes me quite angry also.

I also dislike tunnels. They are not safer, better or smth.

BTW about last page bus station thing. I remembered the joy of using Tartu bus station in center of city and compare with Tartu railway station - I just like bus station location many times more. So yeah. Tallinn bus station should not be in Ideal, in current place or airport - but somewhere close to Viru, vabaduse väljak :)

quick glance on google maps (at the same map scale) invalidates your argument

i lived there for half a year.

Ofcourse theres a few roads which are bigger then the ones in Tallinn, but they are not always lingering in your face everywhere you go.. (btw same deal in Tartu, 100 000 population, but the roads are f.... RIDICULOUS). Makes my blood boil.

my point about comparison was simple: TLL has what, three streets for all transport needs vs any other city used as comparison

my point about comparison was simple: TLL has what, three streets for all transport needs vs any other city used as comparison



Lõunaväil should be adequate for cross-town traffic. Põhjaväil should be a normal city street.
Narva mnt, Pärnu mnt, Tartu mnt, Liivalaia streets should be normal city streets (means I can cross it without fearing for my life).

Tartu is so ridiculous it doesnt even need discussion.

I'm not an engineer, but wouldn't it make sense to make heavy cars go under ground and have relatively lightweight pedestrians walking over them than vice versa?

Besides, pedestrian tunnels suck. They are dark, disorienting and prone to buskers, beggers and what not.

I'm not an engineer, but wouldn't it make sense to make heavy cars go under ground and have relatively lightweight pedestrians walking over them than vice versa?

Besides, pedestrian tunnels suck. They are dark, disorienting and prone to buskers, beggers and what not.

You need a bigger "aperture" tunnel for cars. massively more costly.

I'm not an engineer, but wouldn't it make sense to make heavy cars go under ground and have relatively lightweight pedestrians walking over them than vice versa?


Hold on - are pedestrians so lightweight after all?

How much is typical weight of a car?

I'd say 1,5 tons.

Not directly PT news as those buses aren't going to run on ordinary lines,but 5 theatres received new buses (each theatre got 1 new bus) which will be used for hauling theatre personnel & visitors. Four MAN buses were handed out today to Endla,Rakvere,Ugala & Eesti Draamateater. Last,fifth bus will be given to Vanemuine in autumn.

http://f2.pmo.ee/f/2012/08/17/1276094t41h6eea.jpg

http://f6.pmo.ee/f/2012/08/17/1276098t41he519.jpg

http://f6.pmo.ee/f/2012/08/17/1276100t41hb1c5.jpg

Buses were bought for CO2 quotas sold by government to Marubeni Corporation (Japan). Total cost of new buses was 1805640€.

http://www.parnupostimees.ee/943346/piltuudis-teatritele-anti-ule-neli-halli-iludust

Ranna tee reconstruction will finally start on 21st of August...

And it will be finished when?

^^ 30th November 2012 which really makes me think that it will end up being finished in the spring of 2013. Even if they manage to lay down all the layers of asphalt before snowfall, you can't put down road markings with low temperatures. A brief description of what will be done can be found in the latest Viimsi Teataja newsletter: http://www.viimsivald.ee/public/VT_17.08.12_NETTI.pdf (page 3)

Well, i bet Viimsi inhabitants are gonna be really happy about it :D
Especially after 1st of September...

but Pirita and Lasnamäe (those who drive through Narva mnt) inhabitants should feel a bit of relief in terms of morning traffic, no ? :)

anyaway, looks like west side of Ülemiste bridge is ready - they started to take out scaffolding

Ülemiste road junction construction.

Filtri tee-Viadukti tn-Järvevana tee connection road.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7865.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7866.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7875_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7878_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7882-1.jpg

Few pics of light traffic road connecting Järve & Ülemiste. It and Veerenni street pedestrian tunnel are almost finished and I bet that in autumn those will be opened to public use.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7885-1.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7893.jpg

+ bonus photo of Järvevana level railway crossing (note the 2+2 street crossing two railways) which desperately needs viaducts.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_7906.jpg

^^ They should've built the viaduct(s) for Järvevana railway crossing now because at the moment people are avoiding this road anyway. In the future Järvevana road traffic density will be even higher than today, making a construction project of this scale rather complicated.

^^ They should've built the viaduct(s) for Järvevana railway crossing now because at the moment people are avoiding this road anyway. In the future Järvevana road traffic density will be even higher than today, making a construction project of this scale rather complicated.

:lol: When has that ever happened in Tallinn before?

^^Tammsaare road extension, mid 90s.

^^
Tbh,they should have solved that Järvevana railway crossing problem already back then. With every passing year it gets increasingly difficult and more expensive to build viaducts on that site.

Btw,guys,what do you think - would it make sense to put Liiva-Tallinn-Väike & Liiva-Ülemiste railways into semi-open tunnel instead of putting it on viaducts? This would allow to turn Viljandi mnt. railway crossing also into multi level crossing.

^^ Exactly! And it would make perfect sense to put it in a trench, but perhaps more expensive tho.

BTW how did the Tammsaare extension get built anyways during such times when noone had any money and nothing else was built ?

^^ The city borrowed money for that project. Lack of money was also probably the reason why Järvevana railway crossing wasn't dealt with at that time. At first, a level crossing was planned at the place of the current Pärnu road - Tammsaare road viaduct which would've also meant a level railway crossing on Tallinn-Paldiski railway. http://www.epl.ee/news/tallinn/kumne-aasta-eest-avatud-tammsaare-tee-pikendus-toi-labimurde.d?id=51094729

Nõmme-Õismäe cycling path

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484558_392025990851911_452214251_n.jpg
Photo by Tallinn Bicycle Week

^^ Politsei oleks võinud seal reidi teha, et tulede, helkurite ja signaalkellade puudumist trahvida :lol:

I thought the discussion (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1389724&page=45) on train liveries in the railway thread should continue here.

Bunch of crybabies! :D "I don't like the livery"...well boo-hoo,few years ago no one would have even dared to dream that one day we will get such cool trains.[/IMG]


True, but liveries are an important part of the public image of transportation. I, too, wish for something more minimalist. "Solid" and "reliable" should be the keywords, not "cool" and "flashy". A modern train looks cool anyway, even without neon colors.

As I've already stated on this forum, regional transportation authorities should be established in Estonia. Preferably, each such authority should have a common visual identity with a single livery in some slight variations. In Tallinn, for example, buses and county buses could use a livery in hues of green, and trams and commuter trains the same livery in blue. The same goes for much else: a single typeface should be selected for use in timetables, on maps and station signs, stickers inside vehicles etc. The current lack of design philosophy in Tallinn's public transportation network is quite disturbing: in an average tram, you've got at least 3 signs, all in different colors and using different typefaces...:nuts:


Are there others here who think the same way I do about this seemingly trivial part of public transport policy?

I think this BIG Idea of cutting borders of tram, bus and trolley is so stupid and so last season. Is there any point what colored PT (on a city map) vehicle you go to work or school every day? Nope. Also because all of them have same ticket prices. In Helsinki its understandable. Bus is more expensive than tram - so lets make a difference - yes needed! In Tallinn - no, because there is no point.

Secondly. I tell you about some weird semiotics. When TAK got its green, lightgreen, white striped livery. It was so GREEN campaign, that even City government (f. ex. mayor Jüri Mõis) thought that buses are more green and environment friendly than trolleys or trams. This weird mental scene still has more power than many others.

So, the livery design actually changes peoples understanding about PT. This can be even deadly serious.

So, as some guy says - "the world needs dictator" - In PT livery issue - its true.

P.S. And If we start to think about Power of City or visual identity of the City - there is no point to make many different solutions. As its not giving any signature feature. The best outcome should have: trains, trams, trolleys, buses and taxis - in all same livery.

I don't think it's that trivial, I believe that consistency and visual identity is a very important part of any enterprise, PT included.

In most large (or significant) European cities there is a central organisation, which is responsible for managing public transport schedules, routes, ticket prices etc. - basically everything besides running the vehicles. Helsinki has HSL, Oslo - Ruter, Stockholm - SL, Gothenburg - Västtrafik, Riga - Rigas Satiksme, Berlin - BVG, Paris - RATP, etc.

The Tallinn Department of Transportation resembles such an institution here, but they just haven't created a visual identity for themselves. Maybe it's more complicated for a department of the city government than it is for a separate company dealing only with public transport. Maybe the city hopes to create something out of the Tallinna Linnatranspordi AS, but considering their current record of dealing with things, this seems pretty utopic. And TLT is pretty much supposed to be the operator, not the organizer.

I agree that there should be a common visual identity throughout all modes of transport - buses, trams, trolleybuses, commuter trains. Buses in Tallinn could also use a fresher colour scheme than they have now, because it's quite old-fashioned or bland. I also agree that it shouldn't try to be "cool and flashy", but solid and reliable. Those companies organizing transport in Nordic cities have all set up their signage, how their vehicles look, what typeface they use. Tallinn Department of Transportation doesn't even have a decent and easy-to-use website about public transportation...

About differentiating between different modes I believe, that there should really be a unified numbering system, not e.g. that we have a bus, tram and trolleybus route no. 2. As far as maps go, I think that buses and trolleybuses could use one colour and trams another, because they still differ from the others by using rail. I, for example, like travelling in other cities using trams, because trams are more reliable than buses in the way that they can't go anywhere besides where the rails go - if I miss my stop, I just follow the rails back. (That's just one reason why I prefer trams.) I know that in Tallinn there aren't many places tourists can go via tram, but I still believe they'd like to tell the difference.

By the way, in the beginning of 2012 there was a demo of new timetable format and in June 2012 a new PT map was shown to be installed in stops. I haven't seen either yet, was it just a stupid trick or have these actually been placed in stops around the city?

eile Discovery Channel naitas kuidas ehitati I-35W Saint Anthony Falls Bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Saint_Anthony_Falls_Bridge
http://projects.dot.state.mn.us/35wbridge/index.html

huvitav, kas Ülemistes, keskosa on samuti tehases valatakse ning kraanadega paigaldatakse ?

It seems that turbo-roundabout is being built on Tallinn-Rannamõisa-Kloogaranna highway near Tiskre.

^^ It seems that turbo roundabouts are becoming the new trend in Estonia as well. Unfortunately, a lot of drivers fail to use them properly.

So in close future several Tallinn bus stops get electronic displays showing bus arrival times etc. :cheers:

First 6 stops will be refitted by 16th October.
Here's the list of them:

Vabaduse väljak (Kaarli pst,on direction leaving to city centre),
Vabaduse väljak (Estonia pst,on direction leaving to city centre),
Estonia (Teatri väljak,on direction leaving to city centre),
Taksopark (Endla tn,on direction heading to city centre)
Zoo (on direction heading to city centre)
Lepistiku (on direction heading to city centre)


Project is co-funded by EU's Civitas initiative Mimosa project. Displays are produced by Thoreb AB.

Yeah, in the mean time, Tartu gets these in ALL stops :P

Yeah, in the mean time, Tartu gets these in ALL stops :P

In the meantime, every Western European city of at least some size has got them for more than 10 years(in rail transport, at least). Oh well, better late than never.

Is this (http://www.thoreb.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=10&id=55&Itemid=106) really the best possible design for the signs?

Although City of Tallinn wanted more digital timetables to shopping centers - I would like to see them also in all R-kiosk's.

They all have internet connection. One cheap LCD TV screen to add - should be low cost and super easy.

Traffic on Peterburi tee has been diverted to the newly paved stretch between Majaka street and the viaduct - so temporarily it's possible to drive through the viaduct :D.

they starting to build other wall of viaduct ?

Ülemiste road junction construction. U/C Tartu mnt upgrade into 2+2 road in Mõigu,South-eastern Tallinn.

All photos by Viktor Vesterinen,Neljas.ee ©
http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201208/1024x680/99112_DSC_5598n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201208/1024x680/99114_DSC_5600n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201208/1024x680/99119_DSC_5616n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201208/1024x680/99107_DSC_5588n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201208/1024x680/99095_DSC_5618n.jpg


Full gallery: http://www.neljas.ee/est/?news=1020283&category=49&Galerii--Tartu-maantee-rekonstrueerimine

This 1+1 section in Mõigu has been a huge bottleneck for years. Sure, the traffic-light controlled intersection will stay but it will definitely improve things significantly.

tundub et nad valmis scaffolding-u monteerida silla kesklõigu jaoks. betoon paneelid on paigaldatud keset teed juba.

Small teaser ;)

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8237.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8243.jpg

I'm uploading rest of rather extensive set of Ülemiste road junction construction photos in upcoming days.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8243.jpg
As I don't know much about construction, I'm going to ask a stupid question: why is the viaduct hollow from the inside?

^^
Extra structural strength + comfortable way of getting new set of communications,pipes,wires and similar stuff (which are also needed on viaduct itself) from one side of Tartu mnt to other.

question still remains, how they gonna build remaining, central part of a bridge

^^
Extra structural strength + comfortable way of getting new set of communications,pipes,wires and similar stuff (which are also needed on viaduct itself) from one side of Tartu mnt to other.

It is hollow to save material and money.
But the reason to build the bottom part of the rectangular profile is probably what you have answered.
Just to clarify this a bit, hope you dont mind :)

question still remains, how they gonna build remaining, central part of a bridge

Most likely it will be cast in situ, just like the existing part of the viaduct. Then they will just redirect the traffic on both sides, under the already constructed parts.

I'm uploading rest of rather extensive set of Ülemiste road junction construction photos in upcoming days.

Waiting. :cheers:

Photo update of Ülemiste road junction construction. Part 1.

Filtri tee (although calling it "road" is bit far fetched at this moment :D).
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8142_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8260.jpg

Järvevana tee. New tunnels.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8148.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8157.jpg

U/C pedestrian tunnel connecting light traffic road running along Järvevana tee with Filtri tee. Btw,another tunnel at Järvevana tee & Veerenni street interchange is fully completed.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8166.jpg

Photo update of Ülemiste road junction construction. Part 2.

View from Majaka & Peterburi tee interchange.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8194_pano.jpg

You can see height difference here between sidewalk & street.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8199.jpg

Corner of Kivimurru street & Peterburi tee. Biggest addition is safety island as you can see on the photo.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8202_pano.jpg

Katusepapi street is now dead end and doesn't have access to Peterburi tee. Instead it has parking lot next to Peterburi tee.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8205_pano.jpg

Temporary lanes surround viaduct ramp wall on both side here.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8212.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8216.jpg

U/C viaduct at Tartu mnt. Click on the image for larger view.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8225_pano.jpg (http://i50.tinypic.com/9hqr78.jpg)

And few more close-up shots.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8218.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8247_pano.jpg

^^
Excellent pictures, Tin Can

The shape and looks of the viaduct has actually turned out to be pretty neat :)

Thanks, Tin!

That viaduct looks pretty big for a 4-lane highway though.

nice sign: "bankruptcy warehouse & lithuanian furniture" :lol:

As I've already stated on this forum, regional transportation authorities should be established in Estonia. Preferably, each such authority should have a common visual identity with a single livery in some slight variations. In Tallinn, for example, buses and county buses could use a livery in hues of green, and trams and commuter trains the same livery in blue. The same goes for much else: a single typeface should be selected for use in timetables, on maps and station signs, stickers inside vehicles etc. The current lack of design philosophy in Tallinn's public transportation network is quite disturbing: in an average tram, you've got at least 3 signs, all in different colors and using different typefaces...:nuts:

At least that has now started to change - most of the PT vehicles I've taken during the last week or so have had all the old signs removed and replaced with one big sign about ticket prices and how to buy tickets via mobile phone. The sign is the same as the one set up in stop shelters alongside the new PT map, which has better readability and colour scheme.

Unfortunately, the new September 2012 timetables haven't been redesigned yet.

Gentlemens!

Let me proudly present you one of the Tallinn TOP 3 best projects ever in last 20 years for public - its Tallinn Transport graphic design project. It will be full scale. All posts, maps, tourist maps, signs, signs in vehicle - everything.

here is first example:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538414_206698959460753_116547093_n.jpg

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

More details:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217947_206707942793188_1970744312_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/262852_206707456126570_236728517_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217165_206707692793213_1504811725_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/643966_206707809459868_2125511788_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/581357_206708059459843_1001807844_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/304915_206709366126379_2058054876_n.jpg

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Nice, but what about using mobiles as "tickets" ?

Väga cool!
Positiivne on see et termin nagu üksikpilet on viimaks ajaloo prügikasti kadunud ja alles vaid 1h pilet. :cheers:

Aga kas tekst saabki ainult eesti keeles olema??? Kuidas turistid sellest aru peaks saama? Ja kas värvid on nüüd sellised valitud mis paari nädalaga nähtamatuks pole pleekinud..

^^ Värvid võiksid tõepoolest vastupidavamad olla. Nii paljudel praegustel kaartidel on nii trolli-, trammi- kui ka bussiliinid ühte ja sama pleekinud tooni :D

Muide, mulle meeldib see "10 min raadius jalgsi"

Lisaks, kas kellelgi on äkki fotot Tartu uutest ühistranspordikaartidest? Need on minu arust täiesti katastroofilised. Nad on läinud seda teed, et iga liin on eri värviga kaardile kantud, mis kokkuvõttes tähendab, et terve kaart on üks suur värvide virvarr.

Värvid on head, sest põhiprobleem on olnud siiani jama kollasega. Need madalapõhjalised olid ka näiteks märgitud kollasega, mis õhtuses Tallinna "oranžikas või hämaramas valguses" muutusid nähtamatuteks. Ka päike põletab esmalt ära kollase, siis punase-rohelise edasi sinise trükivärvi. Need kaardid tulevad muidugi paviljonidesse.

Marsruudid on nüüd peatuste, mitte tänavate järgi ja ka linnaosad olemas. samuti saab aru, kas suund on kesklinna poole või mitte jne.

Kõik ebaoluline infomüra on kaotatud ja optimeeritud. Süsteem on aste-astmelt ja loomulik. Tekstid on inimlikud, mitte bürokraatlikud. Esimest korda saab aru kuidas ka piletit osta - näiteks mobiili puhul siis ID põhine pilet, kuhu helistada jne. Paralleelselt on toodud praegune piletisüsteem kui ka uus.

Well, I guess I got what I wished for. Almost, because the question of vehicle design and integration with Elektriraudtee/Harju ÜTK still remains.

Well, I guess I got what I wished for. Almost, because the question of vehicle design and integration with Elektriraudtee/Harju ÜTK still remains.

Absolutely! Estonia is tiny, in my perfect world the ticket system would be the same for the whole country. For example using the same contactless cards everywhere, instead of every county and town developing their own system.

And also it should be self-evident, that when you have paid for the train from Tartu to Tallinn, you would'nt have to pay extra for the 4 stops by tram to your home.

A small article in postimees about PT and its scheduling in Estonia, BTW there's also a rather interesting video (http://www.postimees.ee/966916/err-maanteeamet-uritab-rongide-ja-busside-soiduplaane-vastavusse-seada)

Today:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/7976812455_9566728c2c_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7976811957_7ac4439ef4_b.jpg

woohoo, that awesome kraz crane truck is still working :rock:

Nice photos,bebrs12! :)

I'll add some photos too,but from the other side of the Ülemiste road junction site - here's U/C viaduct at Tartu mnt. Sry for gloomy photos. It was raining today when I took those.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8369.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8375_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8378_pano.jpg

This should finally explain how the last missing piece of viaduct will be built.

Spotted lots of concrete pieces near the future tunnel. Maybe they start placing tunnel walls soon? :)

Oh, and this Järvevana pedestrian tunnel and road was opened some days ago ;)

^^
It's been in use since it's construction. Everybody just ignored the warning signs ;) but yeah it's nice that it's officially usable now.

Yeah, i know. I also used it about a month ago if you remember :lol:

Photo update:

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677232/A4.jpg

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677235/A5.jpg

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677239/A6.jpg

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677240/A7.jpg
Filtri tee

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677242/A9.jpg
Tunnel Lääne poolt vaadatuna. Lähemale ei riskinud minna, valvurid hakkasid juba imelikult käituma :lol:

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677255/A11.jpg
Ida poolt vaadatuna. Jällegi kaugemale ei läinud.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677258/A10.jpg
Raudteesild.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677262/A12.jpg
Kotka asumis Lasnamäel renoveeritakse kvartalisiseseid teid, mõned lõigud on juba asfalteeritud.

http://www.upload.ee/image/2677269/A13.jpg

natuke vist on õnneks parkimiskohti ka juurde tehtud? või mis otstarbel need "taskud" tee paremservas on?

^^ Parkimiskohad ikka. Õismäel rajati ka samamoodi uusi teid ja parkimiskohti läinud suvel.

^^
Väike-Õismäe siseringi rekonstrueerimine lõppes ka just hiljuti. Pole sinna kanti sattunud viimasel ajal,aga niipalju kui lehtedest/uudistest paistis,on sisering joonitud kuidagi kiirustades ja suvaliselt. Jooned lõikavad üle üksteise,asfalt on värviga ära plätserdatud jne :ohno:


All photos by Viktor Vesterinen ©,Neljas.ee

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201209/1024x680/100315_DSC_9824n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201209/1024x680/100316_DSC_9767n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201209/1024x680/100314_DSC_9764n.jpg

Link: http://www.neljas.ee/est/?news=1020685&category=1&Galerii--Oismae-sisering-sai-koostoos-elanikega-taiesti-uue-ilme

äärekivid tee ja parkimiskoha vahel jätavad kuidagi ajutise või viimistlemata mulje, kuigi ilmselt on nad sinna nimelt jäetud/pandud :sad2:

See punases nahktagis femme näeb päris hea välja punase autoga taustal.

Kas keegi on juba jõudnud Tallinna ühistranspordi Ühiskaarti endale soetada? Kuidas muljed on?

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/09/21/1332480t44hc8ab.jpg

Huvi pärast uurisin linna veebilehel oleva Ühiskaarti info läbi ja tundub,et peale hinnatõusu on muidu täitsa toimiva süsteemi ainsaks nõrkuseks tulekul olev "tasuta" ühistransport. Varsti peab mitte ühte (ID) kaarti kaasas tassima,vaid kahte. Ja me kõik teame kuidas erinevatel plastkaartidel meeldib rahakoti vahel paljuneda ;) Kui eelnev ID pileti kontroll oli puhtalt pileti kontroll - kas sel isikul on pilet,siis nüüdne Ühiskaarti kontroll on juba otsene isiku kontrol - kas see isik on tallinlane ja kas tal on pilet. Ja kaudselt ka kus see isik ringi liigub. Kena kui Suur Vend meid jälgib.
Ja kuna meil ei ole politsei riik ..ehh...linn,siis on igalühel valikuvabadus lausa kahe valiku vahel - kas hakata katsejäneseks keda igal sammul jälgitakse või liigelda anonüümselt ja maksta täie rauaga :| Ühiskaarti ainus,aga samas ka totaalne FAIL.


Vähemalt saime uue sõna endale...
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/the_terminator-11353_zps36a6713e.jpg

Soetasin Ühiskaardi omale juba reedel selleks, et osaleda eilsel "Orienteerumisvõistlusel ühistranspordiga". Raha laadima ega isikustama ei pidanud, ometigi sai kuidagi eile mööda linna sõidetud, hoolimata sellest, et pooltes ühissõidukites validaatorid ei töötanud.

Kurb on lõhkuda ilus mull, et ID-piletiga kontrollitakse ainult pileti olemasolu. Alates sellest, kui tallinlastele on piletihind odavam kui mittetallinlastele, kontrollib süsteem automaatselt selle isikukoodi, millele piletit ostetakse, läbi Tallinna elanike registrist, Eesti Hariduse Infosüsteemist ja Sotsiaalkindlustuse Infosüsteemist, et võimaluse korral osta odavam pilet.

Ja millegipärast ma ei usu, et keegi hakkab nüüd tallinlaste liikumist isikustatult jälgima. Seda oskab juba loogiliselt välja mõelda, et kui mu elukoht on Lasnamäel ja EHISes olen ma märgitud TTÜ tudengiks, siis järelikult ma ka nende kahe punkti vahel iga päev liigun. Ja vaba aja osas ei oskaks ma küll selle järgi midagi oletada, et ma valideerisin pileti Pae, Lepistiku ja Väike-Õismäe peatustes.

Küll aga loodan, et midagi liinivõrgus nende andmete töötluse tulemusena ikkagi muutub, näiteks uued otseühendused (nt. Lasnamäe-Nõmme) või sõidukite lisamine teatud liinidele.

Muide, kui praegu on kõige kallim 30 päeva pilet paberkandjal hinnaga 27€, siis 1. jaanuarist 2013 peaks saama isikustamata Ühiskaardile sama pileti osta hinnaga 23€.

^^
Ma olen skeptiline (võib-olla ka pisut paranoiline) Ühiskaarti ja selle kasutamisest kogutud info kaitstuse osas. ID kaartil on vähemalt päris tugev infoturve ja lambist kedagi jälgida ei saa. Millegi pärast kahtlen kas linna ühistranspordi kaart on sama hästi kaitstud ja andmetele ligipääs on rangelt reguleeritud. Muideks,pakuks et mingi 1a pikkuse kasutuse peale peaks saama päris täpselt paika panna kust kuhu ja millal inimene liigub.


Huvitav muideks...oleteme - kui Ühispiletit ei õnnestu bussis registreerida,kuna ükski validaator ei tööta,siis kas MUPO'l on reaalselt ka õigus trahvi lajatada või võetakse asja kaine mõistusega?

Järgnevad kuud saavad igatahes põnevad olema :D

Ma ei saa aru sellest, et miks ei ole transport siis juba 100% tasuta kõigile? Ma arvan, et suur enamus kes seda kasutab on ju Tallinnast pärit?

Ma olen skeptiline (võib-olla ka pisut paranoiline) Ühiskaarti ja selle kasutamisest kogutud info kaitstuse osas. ID kaartil on vähemalt päris tugev infoturve ja lambist kedagi jälgida ei saa. Millegi pärast kahtlen kas linna ühistranspordi kaart on sama hästi kaitstud ja andmetele ligipääs on rangelt reguleeritud. Muideks,pakuks et mingi 1a pikkuse kasutuse peale peaks saama päris täpselt paika panna kust kuhu ja millal inimene liigub.
Iseasi, kui palju seda uskuda, aga Ühendatud Piletite sõnul pidi üks osa süsteemist hoidma infot pileti olemasolu kohta, teine osa aga kaardi liikumise kohta, seega põhimõtteliselt ei tohiks saada konkreetse isiku liikumist jälgida. Ise üritan positiivselt mõelda, aga ikkagi ei tea, kui palju aetakse avalikkusele lihtsalt jura, et ei tekiks massilist vastuseisu süsteemile...

Huvitav muideks...oleteme - kui Ühispiletit ei õnnestu bussis registreerida,kuna ükski validaator ei tööta,siis kas MUPO'l on reaalselt ka õigus trahvi lajatada või võetakse asja kaine mõistusega?
Kuskil selgitati, et kui on näha, et validaatorid ei tööta, siis peaks mupo seda arvestama ja kontrollib lihtsalt raha või pileti olemasolu kaardil.

Järgnevad kuud saavad igatahes põnevad olema :D
Eriti vahetult enne 1. jaanuari 2013, kui kõik tallinlased hakkavad järsku oma tasuta sõidu õigust taga ajama :D. Elame-näeme.

Ma ei saa aru sellest, et miks ei ole transport siis juba 100% tasuta kõigile? Ma arvan, et suur enamus kes seda kasutab on ju Tallinnast pärit?

eks see on tegelikult loogiline. kuna ühistransport sõidab linna rahade eest ja linn saab oma rahad paljuski enda elanikelt, siis on ju mõistetav.

teisalt jah, ei oska oletada kui suur (pigem tõenäoliselt väike) protsent ühistranspordi kasutajaid ei ole tallinna elanikud, ning kas nende tõttu süsteemi keeruliseks ajamine üldse majanduslikult kasulik on.

Mul suht ükskõik sellest "tasuta" transpordist, kui kesikud Tallinnast minema lüüakse, kaob ka see porno...

^^
Mulle meeldib see, kuidas K-mehed üritavad Tallinnast Hong Kongi teha, kuid põruvad haledalt.

kaheldav, väga kaheldav, et asemele tuleks miskit paremat.

Probleem on selles, et Tallinna ühistransport nõuab pikaaegseid investeeringuid, aga hetkel pole sellist parteid, mis oleks reaalselt huvitatud asjade parendamisest. Lühiajalised hüved ning populaarsuse hoidmine on võtmesõnad. Seetõttu eelistataksegi näiteks busse trollidele, mida saab sama raha eest rohkem - see, kumb on keskkonnale kasulikum või kestab kauem, on täiesti ebaoluline.

eks see on tegelikult loogiline. kuna ühistransport sõidab linna rahade eest ja linn saab oma rahad paljuski enda elanikelt, siis on ju mõistetav.

teisalt jah, ei oska oletada kui suur (pigem tõenäoliselt väike) protsent ühistranspordi kasutajaid ei ole tallinna elanikud, ning kas nende tõttu süsteemi keeruliseks ajamine üldse majanduslikult kasulik on.

Huvitav oleks võrrelda summat mille linn säästaks kui näiteks 20% pendeldajatest õnnestuks panna auto linnaserva jätma ja ühistranspordiga sõitma ja seda summat mis linn saaks mittetallinlastele piletite müügist.

Aga no selge, et see praegu on 100% poliitiline küsimus, ja mingid rahalised ega keskkonnaalased kaalutlused siin ju mingit rolli ei mängi.

Pendeldajate autode linnaserva panek Tallinnas vajaks rohkem investeeringuid kui kogu Tallinna Ühistranspordi liikuvkoosseisu hind taristuga kokku. Ja ikka ei taha põlla peale oma autot jätta.

Mõtekam on alustada linna läbivate "kiir"jalgrattateede ehitamist.

Tallinn Transport graphic design making its way.

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298614_213695192094463_1779205863_n.jpg

:cheers:

And Tallinn Transport Scania many years back:

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538998_515480605135749_2111426994_n.jpg

Gas station in Hobujaama and Narva street 1930ies and Pelgulinn's bus tyre swap
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182855_476599819023828_474573698_n.jpghttp://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/484279_471124466238030_1171194981_n.jpg

Back in the days ....

Tallinn tram stop in Old town. Vana turu.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/621370_524077414276068_1726331383_o.jpg

^^ Back when the Old Town was actually the centre of the city for locals and not a Disneyland for tourists.

Tallinn Transport graphic design making its way.

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298614_213695192094463_1779205863_n.jpg


Vb loll küsimus, aga ega ei kavatseta busse ja TTTK omi sellistesse värvidesse panna? Minu meelest näeksid päris kenad välja :)

Ülemiste road junction construction.

U/C Tartu mnt. viaduct.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8664_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8666_pano.jpg

esimesel pildil tunduvad viadukti "jalad" kuidagi väga peenikesed ja haprad

Imeliku nurga all pildistatud vist :P

Ei ole ta midagi nii imeliku nurga alt. :tongue3: Tegelikult jäi väga positiivne mulje viaduktist. Piltidelt ei paista nii väga välja,kui tagasihoidlik see tegelikuses tundub. Sillaosa oleks võinud olla ka pisut õhem,aga ju see oleks ehitushinda liiga palju tõstnud.



P.S. - estlander & others - I moved bling-bling BMW discussion to On Air-thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1305495&page=7). Feel free to continue talk there,as in my eyes Beemer didn't had any resemblance to public transportation,lol. :) Thanks!

Filtri tee will be reopened in October...2013. (http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/991214/filtri-tee-avatakse-liikluseks-alles-2013-aasta-oktoobri-lopus/) :cripes: F**k.

^^ Millal see siis algselt oli plaanis avada? Kogu ristmik saabki ju 2013 sügisel valmis?

^^
Filtri tee valmimistähtaega ma ei teagi,aga ma lootsin et see saab palju varem valmis kui ülejäänud Ülemiste liiklussõlm. Vähemalt osaliselt oleks siis võinud juhtida liiklust bussijaama kaudu ümbersõidule - oleks Ülemiste ristmiku koormust väiksemaks saanud.

eks sellised tööd käivadki aeglaselt

Kas keegi on juba jõudnud Tallinna ühistranspordi Ühiskaarti endale soetada? Kuidas muljed on?

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/09/21/1332480t44hc8ab.jpg

Vähemalt saime uue sõna endale...


Ma juba kasutan seda mõnda aega, olen nõus seda meeleldi piiksutama (ma boikoteerin siiski sõna "valideerima"), kui transpordikorraldus seeläbi paraneb. Ka see lisapileti(te) ostmine sõbrale on päris lihtne. Ja muidugi mobiiliga kaardikonto laadimine (nii raha kui piletitega) on hea, pole vaja mingeid netimakseid teha ega sularaha mingisse pilusse siristada. Kui see nüüd hakkaks toimima ka mujal Eestis, siis oleks väga hää (siinkohal vaataks esmajärjekorras Tartu ja Elektriraudtee poole).

Jep,lisapiletite ostmine on mugav. Huvitav kas asi ka kunagi nii kaugele jõuab,et meil on Eesti Ühistranspordikaart? Mitte ainult Tallinn,Tartu...et saaks kõikjal kõigega - bussid,rongid,praamid - sõita.

Männiku tee reconstruction in Tallinn. Works are fixing last "bad" section between city border & Valdeku street. Most of the direction leaving city has been paved with new asphalt,while direction entering city is still waiting for it's turn.

Photos taken today:
View towards city border.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8698_pano.jpg

And moving back to the city.
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8700.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8702_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8706.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8710.jpg

I was thinking of a new transport concept for Tallinn and this is what i came up with:
http://i55.tinypic.com/ogzv7.jpg

Little explanation:
The main idea is to establish a New Central (International) Station at Ülemiste, together with Bus Station. It will be connected to the
Airport and also Ülemiste Shopping Centre. Commuter trains will still terminate at Balti Jaam, stopping also at the new station of
Kristiine.

Light rail lines:
Red line- connecting the airport, central station, Kaubamaja, Viru and ferry terminals. (sort of the existing route of nr 2 bus)

Blue line- connecting Lasnamäe, Kaubamaja, Vabaduse väljak, Kristiine and Mustamäe. It will run together will red line under Gonsiori
street until Kaubamaja and from thereafter together with Yellow line until Kristiine keskus. The strecht under Gonsiori st and Estonia pst
will be underground (should be easily done by cut and cover)

Yellow line- connecting Õismäe, Rocca al Mare centre, Kristiine, Vabaduse väljak, Viru, Linnahall, Balti jaam, Pelgulinn.


The new lines are planned so the the existing tram services would not be affected (except Kopli line), which of course leaves the option
of rebuilding them in the future and intergating them to the new network in necessary.

Green dots show major hubs for services. Rocca al Mare, Ülemiste and Priisle would be locations for feeder bus terminals as well as
Park&Ride facilities.

Any comments and suggestion are of course very welcome, let me know what do you think. :banana:

Not bad, but I want a tram line to Merivalja, too...:)

I hope that ARTUN can involve in facelift design process....

Tallinn new trams should get:

1. special design lamps (maybe, if its fun).
2. different sound signature bell....I really love Amsterdam tram bell.
3. in front - (right) backmirror back side (LED-number) as trams stop in little space between - it would easier to see what number the second (and so on) tram it is, not run like a donkey to see a number. And we only have 4-5 numbers :)
4. sexy color scheme (I do like HEL green, although we have blue-white, so with dark shady glass panels it looks so patriotic...).
5. new TTTK logo :P
6. all electronics that are reliable during winter

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/05/05/572375t44hc159.jpghttp://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/05/05/572376t44h5285.jpg


I prefer Stadler. :lol:

Maanteeamet & Iveco Czech Republic a.s. signed 18,86 million euro contract today for purchase of 110 buses.

Winner of previously held procurement,Iveco Czech Republic a.s. will supply 110 Iveo Irisbus Crossway buses. 52 buses will be supplied within 7 months time,starting from contract signing and rest will be supplied in 3 quarter of 2012. 10 buses will be used by Tallinn city and rest will be used by Maanteeamet in rural areas.

Bus purchase will be funded by CO2 quotas sale.

http://www.e24.ee/?id=455132

Few examples:
http://galerie-autobusu.havlas.eu/2/11-26-1_Irisbus_Crossway_12m.jpg

http://galerie-autobusu.havlas.eu/2/11-26-2_Irisbus_Crossway_12m.jpg

It's ugly..... :cripes:

What you guys think about new SEBE livery? Starting from April,they've been gradually been repainting their buses (~140 in total will get the makeover) and imo,new buses look quite good,although purple colour is really overused in these days...

'Ordinary' buses with new paint job are getting quite common,such as this one:
http://i53.tinypic.com/33duy6t.jpg

Rental buses are slightly more rare. In fact,during this summer I've only seen such buses once. New livery for rental buses looks like this (photo by SEBE):
http://www.tellimusreis.ee/sites/default/files/imagecache/full/gallery/Joncheere%20Taageperas.JPG

Old,conservative design looked like this:
http://www.sebe.ee/sites/default/files/Täistunni%20Ekspress_0.jpg
http://www.sebe.ee/sites/default/files/Ekspressbuss.jpg

Old livery looked better!! :bash:

Does anyone know where to find more information about TTTK maintenance trams?

I know that one of them is rebuilt from old Gotha tram (probably most Tallinners have seen it),but just few minutes ago I saw really cool looking maintenance tram rolling past my house. I haven't seen anything like that used by TTTK before. It basically looked like miniature electric locomotive and overall shape of smth like that:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Kando_Kalman_mozdony.jpg

It looked like it had got a fresh paint job and it otherworldly here,so maybe TTTK has built a new maintenance tram for themselves?

It's a tram!!!!?? :eek:

Tallinn gets ethno-buses.

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/11/30/857620t44hb60b.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/11/30/857622t44he30b.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/11/30/857624t44hf3b1.jpg

TAK has paint..errr..stickered 3 buses with historic national patterns. Those buses have old Estonian proverbs written on the sides & are painted in historic clothing/carpet patterns used in Muhu,Põltsamaa & Karuse parishes. TAK wants to promote national heritage by using those designs.

Buses are on public display tomorrow,at 11AM on Freedom Square.

Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/652410/tallinnas-hakkavad-soitma-rahvariides-bussid/

I dont like ethno.......:cripes:

http://www.ap3.ee/images/publicationimages/4851a277-c5c1-4417-89de-b7637ac48dfa_big.jpg
http://www.ap3.ee/images/publicationimages/a62afcef-8345-42a8-9ffd-3a6d2ddde4de_big.jpg

Tallinna Moekombinaat

Ülemiste train station and i also see trams there;)
is that tramline via Moekombinaat-Ülemiste-Airport?
expected opening 2014

This station looks weird............:nuts::nuts:

And now, something from Tallinn streets today (besides future trams theme)

A Tallinn's LOVLEY LOTTE BUS:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7219/7166991011_cb2c12087c_b.jpg

and from front:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7211/7352202254_4d1c689d1e_b.jpg

cheers :)

It's ridiculous..................................:cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::cripes::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The French city of Reims has an interesting solution to the colour-scheme issue:
EiNKpzmJ38E

Great idea, kuid ma vihkan reklaame...........:lol:

Ülemiste road junction construction.

U/C Viadukti tn. extension. As you can see from first photo,part of existing Viadukti street is also getting new layer of asphalt.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8828_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8830.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8834_pano.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8841.jpg

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/Raudhunt/IMG_8845_pano.jpg

Viadukti tänav on oma nime vääriliseks muutunud! :D

^^ Nn turboringtee viadukti all, päris chuul :)

kas ta jouab siia ? http://goo.gl/maps/Vf9pW

kas ta jouab siia ? http://goo.gl/maps/Vf9pW
Just,aga sel on tulevikus ka teine haru natuke maad Ülemiste poole mis jõuab välja umbes sellessse kohta > http://goo.gl/maps/C5yZL

^^ Ma ütleks, et vastupidi - praegu valmib Ülemiste poolne. Isegi sinu pildil on näha, et Veerenni poolse tee otsas on suur vall, teisel pool aga kaevatakse. Kohapeal ma pole käinud, tundub sedasi detailplaneeringu ja piltide põhjal.

Filtri tee 18
http://www.tallinn.ee/ametlikud_teated?action=open_file&fail_id=410&tyyp=1

^^
No jah,seda küll. Sellele nõlva küljele kust ma pildistasin oli muide ka kattemuru pandud. Nii et praegu ei tehta seda lõiku veel valmis.

My dream is to have these buses on our streets:

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7251/nick16.jpg

Autosan Sancity
http://www.autosan.pl/upload/Produkty/autobusy/m12_003_duze.jpg

http://www.vadstena.se/upload/Bilder/Gratisbussen/gratisbuss_b370.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2426/4032967050_2dd0e3c5dc_z.jpg

http://bartrans.net/events2010_autosan_sancity18lf_008.JPG

http://www.kmk.krakow.pl/autobusy/autosan105.jpg

Well, i prefer Scania and Volvo (maybe also MAN) anytime...

I've seen the new info displays popping up at different locations now (Vabaduse Väljak, Taksopark,...). Does anyone know when they'll become active? And will they be real-time?

^^
I kinda prefer the Bergen Stadlers more, though the Spain ones have a nice shape to them, though it looks as if they have kinda shitty quality.
But over and all, I seriously doubt that anything is going to change in the next 5 years or so.

I've seen the new info displays popping up at different locations now (Vabaduse Väljak, Taksopark,...). Does anyone know when they'll become active? And will they be real-time?

Yes they'll be realtime, otherwise it would be useless, and as I remeber they shoud start working sometime in this week. Today it already showed time(clock), but not yet transport time information.

Ülemiste shopping center is going to double in capacity by 2014: http://www.ap3.ee/?PublicationId=0eb9f69d-5227-47ac-87c1-9051e1f0c05e

I wonder if there have been any discussions between the project developers and Tallinn city about cooperation in extending the tram line by the shopping centre and on to the Airport?

I know that Pro Kapital is cooperating with the city to extend the nr 4 tram line to their shopping center nearby.

Ülemiste road junction construction.

All photos by Viktor Vesterinen,Neljas.ee ©

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102502_DSC_7526.jpg-n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102482_DSC_7616.jpg-n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102498_DSC_7611.jpg-n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102464_DSC_7561.jpg-n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102462_DSC_7527.jpg-n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102465_DSC_7523.jpg-m.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102472_DSC_7581.jpg-_.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102474_DSC_7578.jpg-_.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102475_DSC_7595.jpg-n.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102501_DSC_7593.jpg-_.jpg

http://static.neljas.ee/apps/kalev_media/201210/1024x680/102490_DSC_7605.jpg-n.jpg

Full gallery: http://www.neljas.ee/est/?news=1021415&category=49&Galerii--Liiklus-Jarvevana-teel-Parnu-mnt-suunal-on-uuele-teeosale-suunatud.

:cheers:

Wow, nice. I hope to also get there either friday or saturday to take some more photos. ;)

Wow, when I return it seems like I never left SH.

Wow, when I return it seems like I never left SH.

clearly not in the same city that I was in..

Haha. If i squint really hard i can't tell the difference :D.

Ülemiste shopping center is going to double in capacity by 2014: http://www.ap3.ee/?PublicationId=0eb9f69d-5227-47ac-87c1-9051e1f0c05e

I wonder if there have been any discussions between the project developers and Tallinn city about cooperation in extending the tram line by the shopping centre and on to the Airport?

I know that Pro Kapital is cooperating with the city to extend the nr 4 tram line to their shopping center nearby.

Bumping my question.. hasn't anyone heard anything?

Bumping my question.. hasn't anyone heard anything?
No,haven't heard anything.

But as Ülemiste City has actively supported future airport tram line idea,I've got a feeling that route will go through there (in another words - it would go behind Ülemiste Keskus). Tram stop in Ülemiste City would be sufficiently close to shopping centre.

I would say it is an idea worth considering by the Ülemiste City/Center developers.. because atm it is virtually impossible to get there by public transport.

oh-no.. a few days ago there was some small news item somewhere, that Spanish CAF is probably going to win the new trams procurement in Tallinn.. now Stadler is not happy with that at all, talking in media, that their tender was cheaper than that of CAF.
I was afraid that something like that would happen.. not at all sure anymore, when we'll actually get the new trams :(


http://www.epl.ee/news/majandus/tallinna-trammihange-ajas-suurettevotted-kisklema.d?id=65156172

Hmm, maybe Stadler is right (knowing how things work in Tallinn, then it is pretty possible that they (Tallinn) are trying to get some money to themselves :D)

I'm pretty sure that this has to do with those darn CO2 quotas that were sold to Spain. Doubt it that Tallinn would choose more expensive (and probably worse in quality) trams over cheaper and better Swiss quality trams.

mis oleks põhjus et Ülemiste ristmiku viaduktil, lääne 'post' on ilma suspension-ita ? või hiljem lisatakse ?`liiga lähedal keskosale, mis vallatakse praegu ?

Yes they'll be realtime, otherwise it would be useless, and as I remeber they shoud start working sometime in this week. Today it already showed time(clock), but not yet transport time information.

In the meanwhile 2 weeks have passed and still there's only a clock... Any news about this?

I think new Solaris Tramino fits it perfectly :-)
No.

Need infotahvlid näevad välja sellised:
(jällegi pilt 19. oktoobrist)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1106_508172499192887_864860101_n.jpg

Ja siis jällegi 19. oktoobrist paar pilti Järvevana viaduktist:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/523492_508173225859481_1907573891_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403537_508173112526159_1832075481_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/155567_508172909192846_406808369_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318737_508172835859520_1640360052_n.jpg

^^
Ohoh,täitsa vinge! :happy: Peab lähiajal minema seda vaatama.

Huvitav. Nagu KarbesPurgis ütles,osadel postidel ei paista "vedrustust" olevat. Mis teema sellega on? Viadukti üks osa on millegi pärast jäigalt maapinnaga liidetud?

http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/1028902/fotod-ja-video-veerenni-umbersoidu-ehitusel-kaib-nadalavahetusel-kibe-too/
Fotod ja video: Veerenni ümbersõidu ehitusel käib nädalavahetusel kibe töö

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/11/03/1409796t54hf564.jpg
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/11/03/1409806t54h384d.jpg
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2012/11/03/1409800t54hf7bc.jpg


Tublid, et enne lume tulekut pingutavad nii palju kui võimalik.

Ühissõidukite liinivõrgu muutmist takistab sõitjate vastuseis
http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/1032784/uhissoidukite-liinivorgu-muutmist-takistab-soitjate-vastuseis/

«Vaadates seda, kui tundlikud on inimesed ühistranspordi muudatuste suhtes, saame vaid tõdeda, et nii nagu autokasutaja, ei taha ka ühistranspordikasutaja oma igapäevaseid liikumisharjumusi muuta. Selle tõttu peaksime täna pigem rääkima sellest, et anda tänastele liinidele lisaväärtust juurde kas neid tihendades või pikendades. Aga jumala eest mitte marsruuti või peatusi muutes. Sest isegi kui 90 protsenti sõitjatest on muudatustega nõus, siis kümme protsenti teevad nii kõva kisa, et midagi ei saa muuta. Täna tuleb arvestada hääleka vähemusega ja nii me ei saagi suurtest liinivõrgu muudatustest rääkida,» resümeeris Harjo.

Photo update of Ülemiste road junction construction.

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üsna muljetavaldavalt mastaapne värk

millal need uued trammid sõitma hakkavad?

Here starts the elimination of electric transportation again, say goodbye to trollybus line nr 2 :gaah:

http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/1038034/2-liini-trollid-asendatakse-bussidega/

F'ing shit! :ohno:

Here starts the elimination of electric transportation again, say goodbye to trollybus line nr 2 :gaah:

http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/1038034/2-liini-trollid-asendatakse-bussidega/

Really sad :(

Miks? Troll on ju effektiivsem ...

idiootsuse tipp :mad2:

Miks? Troll on ju effektiivsem ...Vaieldav. Trolli ja bussi vahe seisneb tegelikult ju vaid selles, mis nad liikuma paneb. Kahju muidugi näha trollide kadumist kuid eks ole nii bussil kui ka trollil omad plussid ja miinused.