yes, it does not suit my preference, and probably the majority of people as seen in the link posted above. you may like the design, but do you prefer this design to the original that the city rejected? I've never become attached to renderings...ever. 99% of the time they change. I barely even remember the original drawings.
The link that you posted certainly doesn't influence the way I think. IF every single one of the people posting there didn't like the end product, THEN it still isn't destroyed.
as far as delayed, i never said construction was unacceptably delayed. the approval process was though, it took yearsYou said specifically, "imo the overbearing boards of mb destroyed this project"
There is much more to that. Much more than anyone posted on the other message board that you mentioned. The development agreement required that there be a supermarket component. Some of the posters on that other site seem to think that a Gucci store would love to be located above a supermarket. That is not the case.
Further, much of the efforts on this project coincided with the importance of the Baylink vote; the City of Miami Beach was working diligently to secure Federal and State money to ensure that Baylink would come through the building to provide park and ride options for MB residents that wish to take mass transit to downtown.
You may say that extra effort destroyed the project. I say that the City of Miami Beach did commendable work and support the original point that Alton and 5th Street is an example of the great job the City of Miami Beach does when they enter into public/private partnerships.

from the miami herald 8.8.09

Best Buy's grand opening in Miami Beach comes almost eight years after developer Jeff Berkowitz first conceived the vertical big box shopping center Fifth & Alton.

If it weren't for a series of hurdles Berkowitz had to overcome, the project likely would have opened up during a booming economy. But the development encountered numerous delays caused by everything from on-site environmental remediation to historic preservation and three redos on the design.

When Berkowitz solved these problems with the city, he found himself in the midst of the housing boom that had more than doubled the original estimates of construction costs. At those prices the deal didn't make sense, forcing Berkowitz to renegotiate all the leases. Along the way, Bed Bath & Beyond and Sports Authority dropped out as tenants.

from the miami herald 8.8.09
Nothing in the article specifically mentions the work with the City in regards to the transportation funding, but afterall, it's the Herald reporting that I've become accustomed. They used the catch all, "encountered numerous delays caused by everything from on-site environmental remediation to historic preservation and three redos on the design."
Not surprisingly, no one quoted in the article said "overbearing boards of mb destroyed this project". On the contrary, it has been greeted as a successful project. 93% occupied at the opening is a Godsend for this retail environment.

The strength of some of the tenants is obvious. Discount retailers T.J. Maxx and Ross Dress for Less both this week reported sales gains in July, a rarity for retailers in this environment. Source... (http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/1176949.html?storylink=pd)

you are just going to have to accept that these boards are not infallible, the members themselves are probably privately admitting that they screwed up just like they did at bentley bay down the block

you are just going to have to accept that these boards are not infallibleHuh?
I've accepted that over a decade and half ago, but what does that have to do with the point that you posted.
the overbearing boards of mb destroyed this project

#1 The project is not destroyed.
#2 The City of Miami Beach Historic Preservation Board did what they are supposed to do. The Design Review Board did what they are supposed to do. And the environmental protection agency did what they are supposed to do.

Just stick to "the design doesn't suit my personal preference" rather than blame people that don't deserve the grief.

Just stick to "the design doesn't suit my personal preference" rather than blame people that don't deserve the grief.

and yet another forum with the unanimous sentiment that this building sucks:

http://www.yelp.com/topic/miami-dade-what-is-going-to-be-in-the-new-building-at-5th-and-alton

and yet another forum with the unanimous sentiment that this building sucks:
http://www.yelp.com/topic/miami-dade-what-is-going-to-be-in-the-new-building-at-5th-and-alton
Are you referring to the sentiment from the poster known as George "thunderlips" M. ?

Look up the word unanimous in the dictionary, then go back and read your forum.

Well, one has to say that 5th & Alton would be cooler if it had the edgier design and a mix os middle and high end stores.

what i think is cool is the last comment that claims the big publix on south beach is doing $1.000.000 per week and the small one a few blocks away $700.000

not surprising, but it is cool that just these 2 supermarket locations are approaching $100 million per year

Well, one has to say that 5th & Alton would be cooler if it had the edgier design and a mix os middle and high end stores. Design is in the eye of the beholder, but what is missed on so many blogs and missed by so many commentators is that this project is a public private partnership with a development agreement specifying a grocery store must be located on the ground floor.
While some commentators on these blogs that keep getting linked here whine for higher end retail like Gucci etc. The reality of life and development show us that Gucci stores rarely, if ever, locate themselves above supermarkets.

In my opinion, it is a coup to get the retailers that Berkowitz/CMB signed on at such high prices per square foot.

Design is in the eye of the beholder, but what is missed on so many blogs and missed by so many commentators is that this project is a public private partnership with a development agreement specifying a grocery store must be located on the ground floor.
While some commentators on these blogs that keep getting linked here whine for higher end retail like Gucci etc. The reality of life and development show us that Gucci stores rarely, if ever, locate themselves above supermarkets.

In my opinion, it is a coup to get the retailers that Berkowitz/CMB signed on at such high prices per square foot.

Not really sure if that always is the case. In Marbella, Spain, there is a great departement store called "El Corte Ingles", which has a grocery store on the ground floor and a bunch of clothing stores of a variety of prices on the other floors.
And they seem to be doing quite alright.

Well, well. I suppose things can change.

Design is in the eye of the beholder, but what is missed on so many blogs and missed by so many commentators is that this project is a public private partnership with a development agreement specifying a grocery store must be located on the ground floor.
While some commentators on these blogs that keep getting linked here whine for higher end retail like Gucci etc. The reality of life and development show us that Gucci stores rarely, if ever, locate themselves above supermarkets.

In my opinion, it is a coup to get the retailers that Berkowitz/CMB signed on at such high prices per square foot.



Gucci located on top of a supermarket that would be like putting caviar on top of buck wheat.

Gucci located on top of a supermarket that would be like putting caviar on top of buck wheat.
Ah yes, but you would have to say that caviar on top of buckwheat would be nice.
There is one example of this in the universe...A Cavier purveyor in Tibuktu put beluga on top of buckwheat.

Well well. I suppose things can change.

Gucci located on top of a supermarket that would be like putting caviar on top of buck wheat.


actually, in addition to the marbella example, there are very many examples of high end department stores above grocery stores across europe

plenty of retailers are happy to be with publix at mary brickell

you might not need ultra-luxury retailers, but ross and tjmaxx are pretty much as trashy as it gets for big box

actually, in addition to the marbella example, there are very many examples of high end department stores above grocery stores across europe
plenty of retailers are happy to be with publix at mary brickell
you might not need ultra-luxury retailers, but ross and tjmaxx are pretty much as trashy as it gets for big box
Clearly, you have missed the point.
And your comparisons are well off target.

My post addressed very directly the links you posted about people asking for Gucci stores above Publix at 5th & Alton. Very specifically, those people. I didn't say that there are no retailers of any kind above grocery stores anywhere in the world. You really have to be joking.

You are really too much for me to have a dialogue, but don't let that or the Gulf Stream take the wind out of your sails, by all means keep posting and posting and posting and posting.

Herzog & DeMeuron Building Almost Complete in Lincoln Road

http://www.urbancityarch.com/2009/10/herzog-near-completion/

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/091015/story1.shtml

By Scott E. Pacheco
Miami Beach within days should get funding go-ahead to master plan a six-year upgrade of its outmoded convention center, with work due to end July 31, 2015.
The city formally agreed late last week to release the funds, which OKs it for county reimbursement of $600,000 to hire Arquitectonica to craft the master plan. Another $400,000 is due for pre-design after county approval, said Jose A. Galan, Miami-Dade's chief of program legislation.
All the funds are from $55 million that county voters approved five years ago to revamp the center, last updated in 1989. Industry players for years have lamented outdated amenities and lack of a ballroom. When the center opened in the 1950s it was the nation's fourth-largest; today it's 28th.
Max Sklar, city director of tourism and cultural development, said once the county seals the deal, the city will have to "execute our agreement with Arquitectonica." Both sides have already approved terms.
"There's a six-month timeline for the master planning process," he said, meaning it should wrap up by early June 2010.
Miami Beach must OK the master plan, then submit it to the county to get design funds, Mr. Sklar said.
A timeline from the county shows the two-year design phase is to end June 30, 2012, and cost $4,992,607. Construction, to begin Jan. 1, 2011, is to cost $49,007,393.
A convention center study recommends expanding exhibit space, adding a ballroom and 25,000 square feet of added meeting space, an iconic alternative outdoor rooftop venue, and another convention center hotel in the Beach.
Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce Chairman Aaron Perry said previously that the center's deters some major meetings: "We lose business every day to our city because of inadequate ballroom and convention center space."

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This is a masterpiece in the making -- functional, contextual, artful...pretty much everything one could hope for.

This is a masterpiece in the making -- functional, contextual, artful...pretty much everything one could hope for.

and on top of that the developer is prettying up the surrounding blocks by installing the cool soapstone sidewalks and landscaping

The use of cypress trees on the mall extension is a nice touch.

1111, with the Cinema, are going to be great bookends.

The use of cypress trees on the mall extension is a nice touch.

1111, with the Cinema, are going to be great bookends.


i believe they put in japanese blueberries there

also cool lighting going in on the water features

Everyone :) , I Hate to say This, BUT 5 Years from NOW in 2009, We'll Probably still be Hoping for A BAYLINK or a METROMOVER or METRORAIL Expansion or EVEN a BULLET Train from heere to Orlando, But By then, Nothing HAS Changed, But Then Again I could Be wrong. :)
To Tell you the Truth MEN and Any Women Here :) , THE TRAFFIC Will Still be here and WORST in 2009, But thats my opinion, and sometimes I'm Wrong. :cheers:

Year 2009!!!!Traffic still WORST....and we are still waiting for some type of train system to and from Miami and Miami Beach.....still waiting...waiting.....waiting.....:nuts:

2200 collins avenue just commenced construction:
http://www.brunokearney.com/projects/commercial/collins01.htm

just north of of the collins park cultural campus, whcih is nearing completion on phase 1 of construction.

a couple of blocks down, parc place mixed use project is nearly complete, as is the shops at lincoln. ritz plaza construction is still moving slowly

Barton G opening in the old Versace Mansion:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/entertainment/fl-versace-home-barton-opens-20100307,0,5103900.story?page=2

Barton G opening in the old Versace Mansion:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/entertainment/fl-versace-home-barton-opens-20100307,0,5103900.story?page=2

Just when you thought his prices couldn't get any higher.

Just when you thought his prices couldn't get any higher.

Yeah...no doubt. $30 "English High Tea?" I'll pass.

Still, it looks like a stunner visually. I remember when the Versace joint was a dumpy apartment building long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

The next big development coming in the pipeline for South Beach:

http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2008/12-18/121808newssouthshore.htm

Filling in the Gaps

City Hears Plans for South Shore Hospital Site

By Lee Molloy

At last Monday’s meeting of the Land Use and Development Committee, commissioners entertained a discussion on the future of the former South Shore Hospital site, located between Sixth and Eighth streets on both the east and west side of Alton Road.

Representatives for Crescent Heights, the company that owns the site, came before the committee to vet ideas for a full presentation to the City Commission in January.

Architect Jonathan Cardello of ADD, Inc., presented three different designs for the proposed “retail destination spot,” or mall.

“When can you start building?” Mayor Matti Bower asked.

“That’s up to the city,” answered Crescent Heights Managing Principal Russell Galbut.

The plans call for roughly 700,000 square feet of retail space on the site, which is currently zoned for mixed-use residential and commercial buildings. Galbut says the owners seek to make the project a purely commercial development for retail purposes; however, a change in the zoning of the hospital site may require a voter referendum.

Commissioner Saul Gross also had doubts about a plan to connect the buildings across Sixth Street by a third-story footbridge.

“I believe they should respect the urban grid and make it more pedestrian-friendly,” Gross later told The SunPost, and “make it as little like a suburban mall as possible.”

Gross used the movie theater on the corner of Lincoln and Alton roads as an example of a building that works with the urban nature of South Beach — patrons can’t just arrive in a car, park, watch a movie and then leave without ever hitting the streets of the city. Instead, the configuration of the parking garage demands that visitors actually walk on the sidewalk and interact with the urban environment.

Commissioner Deede Weithorn, however, told the committee that she works in a building with a bridge and didn’t have an issue with it.

Local activist Frank Del Vecchio was on hand to offer his well-considered opinion. “The key to this is the vehicular traffic it’s going to introduce,” Del Vecchio said.

Traffic, zoning requirements and the footbridge will all have to be considered next month when the refined proposal is brought back before the commission.

One commissioner remains optimistic.

“I think this could be a great project,” Gross said.

Thats almost a million square feet of big box retail at one street corner (with the under construction Publix/Best Buy center). Even today without those stores the current roads are at full capacity at this interesection at 395. I hope the city has a plan for all those streets.

If they only do something with the Vitri site. Talk about an eyesore for everyone that drives into the beach!

Looks like you got your wish 305Lover. The same developer just bought Vitri, and with the new addition that is going to be an enormous retail center for Miami Beach.

Lincoln East was one of the coolest proposals to come out of the boom. This parking garage will go in its place instead, at least the garage will still be designed by Enrigue Norten:

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/100603/story4.shtml

Retail, dining and 490 parking spaces planned just off Lincoln Road in Miami Beach


By Meena Rupani
Five-story parking garage and retail center Lincoln East is replacing a once-planned nine-story residential condo just off Lincoln Road in Miami Beach.
Plans are to open the garage next February when the New World Symphony inaugurates its new home nearby. Building permitting is concluding now as retail leasing begins.
The garage will have about 490 parking spaces, said George Kousoulas, construction manager. In addition to auto parking, it's to house 30 scooter spaces and 27 bike racks.
Construction, to cost about $8.5 million, he said, is to begin in July on the Northeast Corner of Drexel Avenue and 16th Street, 125 feet south of Lincoln Road.
"The project site will be sealed off on the first of the month and we will be breaking ground approximately three to four weeks after this occurs," Mr. Kousoulas said.
The goal for the retail spaces is to bring additional national soft goods retailers, clothing and fashion, to the east side of Lincoln Road, said Mr. Kousoulas and Jason Graham, another principal on the project. The space is also geared for a restaurant with about 150 seats.
Real estate, healthcare and venture capital investment firm PLC Investments, headed by Chairman and CEO Paul Cejas, purchased the 420 Lincoln Road office building a few years ago and subsequently bought the entire block.
The original site plan by renowned Mexican architect Enrique Norten of Norten Ten Arquitectos, with offices in New York and Mexico City, was for a nine-story building with 169 condos, 550 parking spaces and 15,000 square feet of retail.
"Given the state of the economy, the condominium project had to be pulled," Mr. Cejas said.
Instead, the site will include 17,400 square feet of retail and dining but no condos.
The design by Mr. Norten has an exterior composed of a white precast screen with a number of small, randomized perforations. The goal is to be sensitive to the surroundings and reduce light and noise to the nearby residential neighborhood.
"We are currently wrapping up the permit process. There were numerous amounts of paperwork we had to go through in order to receive all the necessary permits," Mr. Kousoulas said.
Lincoln East has been in development for a year and PLC investments is just starting to lease out the retail spaces.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/14/1824650/miami-beach-commissioners-consider.html


Miami Beach commissioners consider vote to allow major South Beach complex


By DAVID SMILEY
dsmiley@MiamiHerald.com

A developer's proposal to build an approximately 400,000-square-foot, mixed-use complex at the gateway to South Beach could receive new life Wednesday when Miami Beach commissioners meet at city hall, 1700 Convention Center Dr.

Russell Galbut, of Crescent Heights, needs officials to change the land-use and zoning restrictions of the former South Shore Hospital site at 630 Alton Rd. in order to build a high-end retail, office and residential center roughly two times the size of Miami's Mary Brickell Village.

The zoning of the 2.4-acre site, which is about one block north of where the MacArthur Causeway meets Alton Road, currently allows medical uses, but not commercial development.

Galbut bought the property for about $39 million in early 2004 and has envisioned the project since 2005, when attempts to revitalize the hospital fell flat.

Since then, red tape has stalled the project.

The city's legal department determined in 2009 that Galbut's project was too large for the site -- he has since tweaked his proposal -- and strict laws regarding the redevelopment of hospital sites on Miami beach have stalled progress.

And some have questioned the wisdom of adding yet another large retail complex at the mouth of the MacArthuer Causeway, worrying the project could cause congestion in an already sluggish area.

Should commissioners change the site's zoning to medium-density commercial, Galbut said he can finally have architects begin plans and hold community charettes.

``The bottom line is if the city can get their act together and help us, we want to move on it today,'' Galbut said.

However, no design is available -- Galbut said he is waiting for a zoning and land-use change -- and commissioners could request a conceptual design before approving anything.

^^ pop that bottle!!! cheers... no FREAKING PLEASE!!!

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/15/1826334/commission-paves-way-for-south.html

Commission paves way for South Beach complex

With only a rough concept of what a developer wants to build at the gateway to South Beach, Miami Beach commissioners gave conditional support Wednesday to a potentially massive complex while hoping to finagle more control over what is eventually designed.

At the request of Russell Galbut of Crescent Heights, the commission agreed 6–1 Wednesday to alter land-use and zoning regulations governing the former South Shore Hospital site at 600 Alton Rd. to allow commercial development. The requested changes must be reviewed and approved by the Department of Community Affairs and other regional authorities before commissioners can take a second and final vote on the issue.

Galbut is planning a high-end retail and mixed-use complex on the two-block, 2.4-acre site one block north of the MacArthur Causeway and Alton. He says he is shopping the concept to potential tenants, but hasn’t designed anything yet because current development regulations only allow medical uses, such as a nursing home or hospital.

Some commissioners and neighbors expressed concerns about paving the way for the project with little idea of what it could look like - at up to 400,000 square feet.

"I’d like to kind of see what’s going to go there," Commissioner Jonah Wolfson – the lone dissenting commissioner – told Galbut.

The problem with that, according to Galbut's attorney, former Miami Beach Mayor Neisen Kasdin, is the city can’t base a decision on a zoning and land-use change on a site plan – a statement reinforced several months ago when the Third District Court of Appeal ruled Palmetto Bay incorrectly denied Palmer Trinity school’s zoning change request based on its intended use of the property.

Rather, Kasdin said the requested change is valid because the area is surrounded by commercial development and another medical center makes little sense.

"This issue is a no-brainer," Kasdin said. "A hospital today is an obsolete use for that site."

Still, commissioners were able to get a guarantee from Galbut and Kasdin that before a final vote is cast to change the site’s zoning and land use, a conceptual site plan will be presented before the commission – even if it has no bearing on their vote.

TransitMiami has a nice post on the new plans for the park next to the New World Symphony building. Hopefully Miami Beach does a better job maintaining this one than they have with South Pointe Park...

http://www.transitmiami.com/2010/09/21/west-8-releases-lincoln-park-plans/

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TransitMiami has a nice post on the new plans for the park next to the New World Symphony building. Hopefully Miami Beach does a better job maintaining this one than they have with South Pointe Park...

http://www.transitmiami.com/2010/09/21/west-8-releases-lincoln-park-plans/

I've been to South Pointe Park a few times, and it was great. What's going on with the maintenance of it?

TransitMiami has a nice post on the new plans for the park next to the New World Symphony building. That is awesome!
It is nice to see that those TransitMiami renderings haven't changed since the ones that were posted 7 months ago on the New World Symphony Thread. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=965018)

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/07/1862164/developer-plans-retail-village.html

Developer plans `retail village' at South Beach entrance

With an important zoning vote by Miami Beach commissioners on the horizon, the possibilities of developer Russell Galbut's huge and hugely expensive vision for the gateway to South Beach are beginning to emerge.

They look something like this:

A vacant Alton Road lot that resembles a rebarb pin cushion would be replaced by a four-story retail mall lined with high-end commercial shops from businesses around the world.

An old, defunct and shattered hospital would be resurrected and renewed as a spa and wellness center.

Another three-story, block-sized mall lies at the north end. And a new Stanley C. Meyers Community Health Center would be placed across the street as part of a land-swap deal involving the city and county.

On Tuesday, Galbut unveiled an early concept of what could be, presenting computer-generated images and a three-dimensional, styrofoam model to dozens who showed at the Shelbourne Hotel.

``It's critical to the city. It's critical to our community,'' Galbut said in an interview. ``It's going to be an unbelievable retail village.''

Jonathan Cardello, the lead architect on the 600 Alton Road project, said the development is expected to be some 400,000 to 500,000-square-feet. Two levels of underground parking would line the entire site. Restaurants would be sprinkled throughout the project.

Galbut has previously talked about the possibility of a mixed-use development, but Cardello said almost the entire project would be commercial, with a ``minimal amount'' of residential units -- essentially a throw-in to secure extra square-footage under the city's laws.

The project, which according to Galbut would easily top $100 million in costs, is important if Alton Road is to be revitalized, Cardello said.

``Alton Road is a commercial corridor and it's failed,'' he told one resident.

Galbut has already secured preliminary approval from city commissioners to change the property's zoning from hospital use to commercial use.

Now, he is waiting for the state's Department of Community Affairs to review the proposal and respond to the city with either approval, suggestions, or denial.

A response isn't likely to come until late November, according to a letter from the agency to city planners.

Unless that date is pushed far forward, city planners say it is unlikely a second and final vote would come before January.

In the meantime, Galbut is shopping the project to residents and commissioners, who requested that the developer present site plans and designs before the second vote, even though Miami Beach's city attorney has said a site plan can not be used as a basis for a vote when it comes to land-use and zoning changes.

Galbut said that request is the only reason he is even showing images of the proposed development, which he said he doesn't expect to be completed and open until early 2014.

At the same time Galbut is trying to push his project, he and attorney David Nevel are also trying to reverse an Aug. 30 city legal opinion that has rendered the developer voiceless during city hearings.

Galbut's lobbyist, former Mayor Neisen Kasdin, can speak. But because of a tangential business relationship with Planning Board member Seth Frohlich, and city laws banning business associates of city board members from lobbying before the city, Galbut is not allowed to speak.

Galbut disagreed with the opinion, and appealed last month to the Miami-Dade Commission on Ethics and Public Trust, which said the opinion could have a ``chilling effect'' on business.

Gary Held, first assistant city attorney for Miami Beach, said the issue will come up again on Oct. 28 and a revised ethics commission staff opinion and recommendation will be issued.

The rendering from the article below:

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The rendering from the article below:

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that is so cool.

I like it!

Anybody else think the Schweeb would be cool on Miami Beach?

Why did Google bet $1 million on Schweeb? (http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/10/12/shweeb.urban.transport/index.html)

Legendary Architect Zaha Hadid Chosen to Design Miami Beach Parking Garage at Collins Park
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/legendary-architect-zaha-hadid-chosen-to-design-miami-beach-parking-garage-at-collins-park-2011-09-16

MIAMI BEACH, Fla., Sep 16, 2011 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Architect Zaha Hadid has been chosen by the City of Miami Beach to design its newest parking garage at Collins Park, a neighborhood that's home to the Miami City Ballet, the Bass Museum, the City Library as well as the Gansevoort, W and Setai luxury hotels. Collins Park is also just blocks away from the Miami Beach Convention Center, the Frank Gehry-designed New World Center and the popular automobile-free Lincoln Road Mall.

Consistently sought-after, Hadid is the architect of the Aquatic Center for the 2012 London Olympics, the Cincinnati Contemporary Arts Center, and has designed major building structures for BMW and around the world in Barcelona, Abu Dhabi and Cardiff, Wales. Hadid, the first woman to win the Pritzker Architecture Prize - the profession's highest honor - joins the growing list of world renowned architects who have gained international attention and are referred to as "Starchitects," who have designed and overseen construction of new parking garages in the City of Miami Beach.

Anybody else think the Schweeb would be cool on Miami Beach?

Why did Google bet $1 million on Schweeb? (http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/10/12/shweeb.urban.transport/index.html)

Hideous...just hideous!

i think its pretty cool!

So what's the status on the South Beach Hospital site? Haven't heard anything in a while...

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Renderings for some of the cool new buildings coming to MB including the Zaha Hadid project, plus a progress photo of the Enrique Norten project
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/26/2436764/star-architects-rolling-into-miami.html

A $350 million redevelopment of the Saxony which will include a new tower designed by Sir Norman Foster is going for HPB approval next week.

Architecturally speaking, Miami Beach has no equal in Florida. The Zaha Hadid parking garage will be another instant classic.

why so many parking garages???

why so many parking garages???

Oh don't get the transitmiami ppl started again! :|
But tbh, I've kinda be wondering that myself for several years now. Build public transit out to the beach from Metrorail and you won't need HALF the spots already on the beach (are you listening Miami politicians? of course not!).

so many parking garages get rubber stamped. .

nothing in miami beach gets rubber stamped, especially in the south beach historic district.

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I find Architectonica’s towers to be hit or miss, but they are one of the few that know how to design a parking garage. Their Ballet Valet garage is the best I’ve seen, and the Sunset Harbour design looks far better to me than the Zaha Hadid design. And since Roark is no longer here to defend it, let me reiterate that I think 1111 Lincoln is just another parking garage, nothing special.

I find Architectonica’s towers to be hit or miss, but they are one of the few that know how to design a parking garage. Their Ballet Valet garage is the best I’ve seen, and the Sunset Harbour design looks far better to me than the Zaha Hadid design. And since Roark is no longer here to defend it, let me reiterate that I think 1111 Lincoln is just another parking garage, nothing special.

Obviously everyone is entilted to their opinion, which is usually based on subjective things. But to call Lincoln 1111 just another parking garage ignores any objective informationwe know about it.

It has received awards based on its design. 1111 definitely helped to anchor the west end of lincoln road. It has been featured in promos for Burn Notice. So they choose the signature shot that they want to capture the essence of Miami and get people to watch a show and its in a parking garage that you say is nothing special. So how many other parking garages are getting this kind of attention.

1111 Lincoln road also rents out event space for event including weddings. How may people decide to get married in a parking garage?

To argue that the garage is nothing special shows that you are unable to set you personal tastes aside and be objective about things.

Well, you did study development at UM, so you probably know what you're talking about.

Then again, maybe you should have taken some liberal arts classes to supplement those development courses because your ability to appreciate the value of others' opinions beyond your own immutable preferences is limited.

I stated that "I think" it is nothing special. It is my opinion. What else are the awards that you cite or the promos that have been shot or the weddings that it has hosted if not expressions of others' opinions about the garage?

I will not stand for you calling the opinion of someone who chose to get married in a parking garage more objective than my opinion! ... even if you did study development at UM, which you did, right?

Well, you did study development at UM, so you probably know what you're talking about.

Then again, maybe you should have taken some liberal arts classes to supplement those development courses because your ability to appreciate the value of others' opinions beyond your own immutable preferences is limited.

I stated that "I think" it is nothing special. It is my opinion. What else are the awards that you cite or the promos that have been shot or the weddings that it has hosted if not expressions of others' opinions about the garage?

I will not stand for you calling the opinion of someone who chose to get married in a parking garage more objective than my opinion! ... even if you did study development at UM, which you did, right?


Who cares where I studied, this has nothing to do with that. I'm simply point out the obvious.

And I'm not saying that someone who wants to get married there has an opinion more objective than yours.

You don't like the design (opinion)
Someone getting married there does like the desing (opinion)

So we have two VALID opinions. But regardless of what opinion you have I would think that these two people (if rational) can agree that the garage IS special regardless of their person opinion. You don't have to personally like something for it to be special.

I think the Backstreet Boys are pure garbage. But they have a album that has sold 40 million and is one of the best selling albums of all time. So while I may hate that album I can atleast agree that it is special.

Also putting "I think" infront of something that is objective doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

You can think that 2 + 2 = 3 but in this cas you're opinion would be clearly wrong. We can disagree about whether the design of 1111 lincoln is good or not because this is purely subjective. But we can't disagree whether 1111 Lincoln is special or not because this is objective.

Special:
1: distinguished by some unusual quality
2: being in some way superior
3: held in particular esteem
4: readily distinguishable from others of the same category

Whether we personally like the design or not is one thing. But as a parking garage 1111 Lincoln is clearly special.

Who cares where I studied, this has nothing to do with that. I'm simply point out the obvious.

And I'm not saying that someone who wants to get married there has an opinion more objective than yours.

You don't like the design (opinion)
Someone getting married there does like the desing (opinion)

So we have two VALID opinions. But regardless of what opinion you have I would think that these two people (if rational) can agree that the garage IS special regardless of their person opinion. You don't have to personally like something for it to be special.

I think the Backstreet Boys are pure garbage. But they have a album that has sold 40 million and is one of the best selling albums of all time. So while I may hate that album I can atleast agree that it is special.

Also putting "I think" infront of something that is objective doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

You can think that 2 + 2 = 3 but in this cas you're opinion would be clearly wrong. We can disagree about whether the design of 1111 lincoln is good or not because this is purely subjective. But we can't disagree whether 1111 Lincoln is special or not because this is objective.

Special:
1: distinguished by some unusual quality
2: being in some way superior
3: held in particular esteem
4: readily distinguishable from others of the same category

Whether we personally like the design or not is one thing. But as a parking garage 1111 Lincoln is clearly special.

I think this may be another instance where you've committed to something and are now unwilling to entrench yourself.

Special is an ambiguous word, and I think it's a misrepresentation to portray the term as being as concretely objective as you have. Parents tell their children that they're special; chefs label their dishes as specials; there's a cereal called Special K; there's a date rape drug called Special K. It can carry a lot of meaning or a little meaning, but just because you can support your opinion with facts does not make your opinion objectively measurable.

I said it's nothing special because I don't think it is particularly distinguishable from other parking garages; I don't think it's superior to other parking garages; I don't hold it in higher esteem to other parking garages. Others do, but that's their opinions.

Oh, and I point out that you studied development at UM because it is something that you often point out when you speak to other forumers in a condescending tone. I do it in jest.

Uhhh, who cares? Can we move on now?

Move on to what? Excluding me and UMDev, this thread has had like five comments in the last year. If you prefer to read dead threads, may I direct you to the rest of this forum?

I think this may be another instance where you've committed to something and are now unwilling to entrench yourself.

Special is an ambiguous word, and I think it's a misrepresentation to portray the term as being as concretely objective as you have. Parents tell their children that they're special; chefs label their dishes as specials; there's a cereal called Special K; there's a date rape drug called Special K. It can carry a lot of meaning or a little meaning, but just because you can support your opinion with facts does not make your opinion objectively measurable.


No special is not an ambiguous word. Just because companies use the word in their advertisements to mislead people it doesn't change the meaning of the word. I've seen things advertised as the tallest, best, fastest, etc. that clearly weren't, but that doesn't make those words ambiguous as well.

I said it's nothing special because I don't think it is particularly distinguishable from other parking garages; I don't think it's superior to other parking garages; I don't hold it in higher esteem to other parking garages. Others do, but that's their opinions.

Again you are talking about what you THINK and I'm talking about reality. It is clearly distinguishable by some unusual quality. Parking garage don't have floors that are almost 3 stories tall. If I showed most people and even you five garages you would immediately be able to distinguish 1111 from the rest. It's clearly held in higher esteem evident by the awards and attention it has received. You can't simply manipulate words to make them what you want them to mean.

I feel like we've landing into an alternate universe where we live of the rules of politics and we can argue over what the meaning of the word "is".

You argument is like saying a guy who is 6'9" isn't tall because he isn't tall to you. And that somehow the word tall is ambiguous because you know guys that write that they are tall in personal ads even though they are short.

Oh, and I point out that you studied development at UM because it is something that you often point out when you speak to other forumers in a condescending tone. I do it in jest.

I've pointed out my education when talking about development or urbanism issue to highlight that I've at least been educated about the subject. Now I know that in this modern tea party world we despise education and feel that any average Joe off the street has an equal opinion regardless of whether they graduated the 8th grade or not.

And I usually only break out the condescending tone when people try to voice their uneducated opinion as fact. Like when people who have no understanding about urbanism try to claim a project isn't urban NOT because they actually know anything about the subject but simply because they don't like the project.

I have no education about nutrition. And I can read that 500 mg of vitamin C will help my immune system. And with my 8th grade education I can deduce that if 500 mg helps my immune system that 1000 mg will help my immune system twice as much. That may or may not be true. But for me to try and state it as a fact in an argument seems pretty foolish. But yet that's what many people do here. They have 0 education about development, urbanism, construction, etc. but yet they'll voice their opinion here as fact because of what they personally want to see.

I've never written a condescending remark to anyone who has said, "I'm a little concerned about this project because I think it doesn't address the urban environment because x, y or z."

aerial of the new garage construction

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pictometry/6219922203/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6231/6219922203_253e7b9a58_b.jpg

It seems, UMDev, then that under your definition everything would be special as everything is in at least one way distinguishable from everything else. But I won't belabor the point. Suffice it to say, I disagree.

:kiss: kiss and make up...lol.

Which garage is that in the aerial? I usually park in the large municipal garage one block over and I've never seen it full even on a Saturday night. South Beach really needs more garages around 8th street, not 16th.

I find Architectonica’s towers to be hit or miss, but they are one of the few that know how to design a parking garage. Their Ballet Valet garage is the best I’ve seen, and the Sunset Harbour design looks far better to me than the Zaha Hadid design. And since Roark is no longer here to defend it, let me reiterate that I think 1111 Lincoln is just another parking garage, nothing special.

That Herzog & de Meuron garage on Lincoln Road is definitely not "just another parking garage".

I've interacted with it over the years and three days this very weekend. It is extrordinary in my opinion.
Not many parking garages will have a Halloween Party on the 7th Floor like this one....(tickets still on sale for this year's 10th annual)
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Which garage is that in the aerial? I usually park in the large municipal garage one block over and I've never seen it full even on a Saturday night. South Beach really needs more garages around 8th street, not 16th.

The Enrique Norten garage.

http://block53.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/block-53_lincoln-east-garage_exterior_02-reduced1.jpg?w=640&h=387

aerial of the new garage construction

That aerial must be over a year old. Walking by the the Norton Garage it is almost complete.

...
It is extrordinary in my opinion.
...

Cuidate with those opinions ;)

I'm a big fan of the Enrique Norten garage; I just don't like garages that show off the cars parked inside. I'd attend a Halloween party in the Norten garage. Better yet, it seems well-suited to host a literary salon. Somebody invite Thornton Wilder.

Cuidate with those opinions ;)

I'm a big fan of the Enrique Norten garage; I just don't like garages that show off the cars parked inside. I'd attend a Halloween party in the Norten garage.Really...it certainly a matter of opinion, but I have a feeling that you have not walked inside either of these structures.

The Norton garage is pre-fabricated and was thrown up quickly.

It does not have a private residence on top as the 1111 Lincoln Road structure does. The Norton garage does not have 5th floor retail, or a pedestrian mall in front to work seamlessly with the structures raw concrete design. Unlike 1111 Lincoln Road, it does not have soapstone sidewalks, or indiginous landscapes and a water filtrations system mimicking the Everglades.

Unlike 1111 Lincoln Road, if someone were to say Norton's garage "is just another parking garage, nothing special" it would be difficult to argue against that.

Really...it certainly a matter of opinion,

My joke must not have translated on this one.

but I have a feeling that you have not walked inside either of these structures.

I have been inside 1111 Lincoln a handful of times. On the inside, you're right, it is different. From the outside, to me, it looks like an unfinished garage.

I know nothing of the inside of the Norten garage, but I like the way it looks on the outside.

That said, I should not have called you out in my initial post. I apologize. I do not wish to have this discussion for the fifteenth time.

The only portion of the Norten garage that was pre-fab was the perforated exterior wall. The garage certainly was not 'thrown up quickly'.

Construction now underway on the Seville/edition.

Will include a new glass hotel tower similar in design to Met 2, bowling alley/ice skating rink/nightclub etc. designed by ian schrager.

Construction now underway on the Seville/edition.

Will include a new glass hotel tower similar in design to Met 2, bowling alley/ice skating rink/nightclub etc. designed by ian schrager.
If construction is now underway than there must be renderings. Can someone post pictures please!!! ...i still dont know how:ohno:

The only portion of the Norten garage that was pre-fab was the perforated exterior wall. The garage certainly was not 'thrown up quickly'.
Excellent observation.
By "thrown up" I meant built.
By "quickly" I meant in about a year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Obfuscatus
The only portion of the Norten garage that was pre-fab was the perforated exterior wall. The garage certainly was not 'thrown up quickly'.

Excellent observation.
By "thrown up" I meant built.
By "quickly" I meant in about a year.

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http://pubservation.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall.jpg

^^ They appear to be wearing different color suits.

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/16/2523862/sunset-harbour-is-miami-beachs.html

The Sunset Harbour neighborhood in Miami Beach is undergoing a renaissance as business owners, city officials and a condo developer launch new projects there. The first Fresh Market in Miami Beach opens there this week.

This is gonna be nice.

http://www.architizer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1272906_ZHA_Miami-Beach-Parking-Garage-at-Collins-Park1.jpg

http://www.architizer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1272907_ZHA_Miami-Beach-Parking-Garage-at-Collins-Park-2.jpg

http://www.architizer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1272908_ZHA_Miami-Beach-Parking-Garage-at-Collins-Park-3.jpg

^^Love that! George Jetson should be flying in there somewhere. :cheers:

amazing, breathtaking, exhilarating... I'm aroused :banana:

http://www.architizer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1272907_ZHA_Miami-Beach-Parking-Garage-at-Collins-Park-2.jpg

¿El diseño de Zaha Hadid es una realidad? Con esto me refiero sí ya aprobado por la ciudad y listo para construirse?

Definitivamente una desviación de los tradicionales y horrendos cajones de estacionamiento. Aunque algo tarde en la discusión, no resido en el pais pero frecuento Miami por cuestiones de negocios, otro garaje que llamó mi atención fue el 1111 Lincoln Road, en el extremo oeste de esta vía peatonal comercial.

Tengo que admitir que mi primera reacción fue de shock seguido de incertidumbre. La estructura parece un parqueo peguntándome si era rentable ya que la altura de sus niveles varia, unos hasta más de 30 pies, calculando su capacidad máxima de 250 a 300 vehículos. Momentos después de mis impresiones iniciales sentí curiosidad diciendo entrar y conocer el “brutal” y de apariencia inconclusa edificación. Una vez adentro me percate que es más que una cochera, la mitad de sus pisos aunque también usados para estacionarse, son empleado para eventos. En mi recorrido se preparaban para alguna reunión social y cerca de ahí, una exposición de carros. Supongo que fiestas y exhibiciones no son actividades rutinarias, y para compensar el derroche de espacio de sus niveles de gran altura, una que otra tienda. ¿Misma función en el piso superior? ¿Salones para eventos o más locales? Su ingreso bloqueado al momento de mi visita.

Es evidente que la estructura de multiusos es una adicción al colindante banco, pero en vez de rimar, lo abierto y el amontonamiento irregular de sus losas grises contrasta drásticamente con lo blanco y elementos prefabricados estandarizados de su vecino. Otros detalles que resaltan del inmueble son sus enormes columnas, unas como prismas y otros en forma de “V”, y al centro de cada piso, una inusual escalera con recorrido triangular.

Indiscutiblemente que la estructura “áspera y mínima” resalta, está bien situada y expuesta a lo largo de la transitada Alton Road. También atrae visualmente y evoca curiosidad, mientras la inspeccionaba habían otros dos curiosos fotografiándola. Sin embargo, a la obra no la llamaría un trabajo artístico como algunos lo han referido en este hilo, es simplemente un “extravagante” garaje, rotulándola sarcásticamente como un monumento a la cultura automovilística de esta nación. Soy de la fuerte opinión que en vez de invertir en este tipo de amenidades, preferiría que la ciudad/condado le diera menos prioridad al automóvil particular y más atención a otros medios de transporte.

En cuanto a estacionarme en el 1111 Lincoln Rd., muy oneroso, cinco dólares la hora, prefiriendo pagar $1.25 la hora en los banales y ocultos pero cercanos y utilitarios garajes municipales.

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Is the design of Zaha Hadid a reality? By this I mean approved by the city and ready to build?

Definitely a departure of the traditional and horrendous parking boxes. Although somewhat late in the discussion, I do not live in the country but frequent Miami on business, another garage that caught my attention was the 1111 Lincoln Road on the western edge of the pedestrian mall.

I have to admit that my first reaction was shock followed by hesitation. No doubt that the structure looks like parking, but questioned on whether it was profitable because of the variety of ceiling heights, some more of 30 feet, calculating a maximum capacity of 250-300 vehicles. Moments after my initial impressions, I felted curious and decided to pay a visit to the “brutal” and seemingly unfinished building. Once inside I realized it was more than a garage, about half of its area, although used as parking as well, is also utilized for events. During my visit they were preparing for some sort of social gathering, and nearby, an exhibition of new cars. I suppose that bashes and expositions are not routine activities, and to compensate for the lost of space in the high ceiling areas, one or two shops. Same function in the top level? A banquet hall or more retail? Access to that floor was blocked during my excursion.

It is clear that the multiuse structure is an addiction to the adjacent bank, but instead of rhyming, its openness and the irregular stacking of its gray slabs contrasts drastically with the white and standardized precast elements of its neighbor. Others details that stand out are its enormous columns some like giants’ prisms and others in the shape of Vs, and at the center of each floor, a staircase with unusual triangular circulation.

Indisputably that the “rough and minimal” structure stands out, is well placed and exposed along the busy Alton Road. It also attracts visually and evokes curiosity; while inspecting the installation there were other two onlookers photographing it. Nevertheless, the work I would not call it an artistic piece as some have describe it in this thread, is simply a "extravagant" garage, labeling sarcastically as a monument to the car culture of this nation. I’m of the strong opinion that instead of investing in this type of amenities, the city/county should give less priority to the automobile and pay more attention to other means of transportation.

As for parking on the 1111 Lincoln Rd, too expensive, five dollars an hour, preferring to pay $ 1.25 an hour in the dull and hidden but utilitarian and nearby municipal garages.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd1.jpg

Vista deste Alton Road.
View from Alton Road.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd2.jpg

Estacionamiento, al fondo de la imagen conexión con el adyacente banco.
Parking, on the rear of photograph connection to the adjacent bank.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd3Event1.jpg

Preparación de un evento en su borde oeste con partes de Miami Beach como telón de fondo.
Preparing for an event on its western edge with parts of Miami Beach as a backdrop.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd3Event2.jpg

Exhibición de automóviles.
Auto show.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd4Tenant.jpg

Tienda en su quinto nivel.
Shop on the fifth floor.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd5Stairs1.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/SAPtegus/Miami%20Beach%20Lincoln%20Road/1111LincolnRd5Stairs2.jpg

ARRIBA Llamativa escaleras al centro de la estructura, ABAJO mirándola de abajo hacia arriba.
ABOVE striking stairs to the center of the structure, BELOW looking from below up.

Another Sunset Harbour project:

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2011/12/27/roy-e-disneys-investment-fund.html

Roy E. Disney's fund planning condos on Miami Beach

South Florida Business Journal by Oscar Pedro Musibay, Reporter

A group that includes members of Roy E. Disney’s investment fund Shamrock Holdings is planning a 70-unit condo on Miami Beach.
Developer Palau Sunset Harbor has paid for public notices that announce it will make its case before a Miami Beach Planning Board on Jan. 24.
The five-story condominium would be built on an assemblage that includes Mark’s Quality Cleaners, at 1201 20th St. a 15,000-square-foot building constructed in 1947.
The project comprises 43 units with 500 to 999 square feet, 12 units with 1,000 to 1,200 square feet, and 15 units with more than 1,200 square feet, according to Condo Vultures, which examined plans for it filed with the Miami Beach Planning Department. It includes 13,100 square feet of ground floor commercial space.

Another Sunset Harbour project:

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2011/12/27/roy-e-disneys-investment-fund.html

This is a start for south beach again.
hopefully, they will use this to turn south beach around again.

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