See poll question

Losty, please explain, given that Irish is an overwhelmingly English-speaking country, why don't you think that they too are
"Germanians" like the English? Remember you've said that your ideas aren't based on race (good idea when the racial differences between Great Britain and Ireland are negligible, not that it would mean feck all if they weren't btw). But that there is some kind of bond between those nations whose people speak a language that linguists class as being part of the Germanic group. That makes the Irish as Germanian as the English, dunt it? :?

Where's the poll option that allows me to tell you to fuck off.


Such a shit poll.

I must say, the two choices are childishly biased....

Originally I thought it should be in the European forum and lobbied for that but now I rather enjoy educating the ignorant of the British forumers. It gives me good pleasure - but realistically it should be in the European forum.

Odlum this is not about your anglophobic obsession - anyone who refuses to change the subject as much as I do is certainly obsessed, believe me I recognise my own - it is about establishing proper forums in well defined cultural groupings.

So its decided, the Irish Forum should be moved to the European Forum.

The problem is how hidden the Irish forum is. It doesn't make sense (assuming that its ordered by population) why the Irish forums are below Scotland and then Wales when ROI alone has a larger population than both. I think its how hidden the forum is as to why it isn't getting as many view as it could.

It needs to be made more noticeable that this is the UK and Ireland forums, not the UK forums with a token Irish bit at the bottom. Once, I've even seen a UK forume rpass comment that the skybar is for UK forumers and not for Irish members to criticize anything British there.

Couldn't care less where it is. It's just peddantry.

Anyway, I do think it needs to be more visible. If it is moved we'll have to leave NI behind though and then what would happen to the great ego-clashes of Uniguy and Odlum????

On a side issue, Scotland has a larger population than ROI
ROI 4,459,300 SCOTLAND 5,194,000

2009 estimates. They reckon though that with the baby boom and with nearly 40% of the population under 25 that we'll overtake them in a decade or so. Which is remarkable growth if it happens.

Im digressing

On a side issue, Scotland has a larger population than ROI
ROI 4,459,300 SCOTLAND 5,194,000

Are you sure? I thought ireland was 6.1 million. :s

^^ NI and ROI combined is around 6.1million. The Republic's population is around 4.5million, up from 3million in the early seventies!!!

Oooh. Cheers ;) Is there any reason why the population is sow low today? I'm guessing famine and extreme poverty were two reasons.

Yeah, basically the famine and near constant emigration at the start of 20th century. We were down to nearly 2 million in the 50's.

Startling statistic is that before the famine Ireland (as a whole) had over 8 million...
Scary isn't it.. That 160 years ago we had nearly twice as many people than ROI has now...

I would say that Ireland's population is so low also due to the Republic having few industries or raw materials, meaning over the 20th century many people had to move just to find work.

Only with outside investment are there now jobs to keep people at home.

The Famine stopped being an excuse many years ago.

Couldn't care less where it is. It's just peddantry.

Anyway, I do think it needs to be more visible. If it is moved we'll have to leave NI behind though and then what would happen to the great ego-clashes of Uniguy and Odlum????

On a side issue, Scotland has a larger population than ROI
ROI 4,459,300 SCOTLAND 5,194,000

2009 estimates. They reckon though that with the baby boom and with nearly 40% of the population under 25 that we'll overtake them in a decade or so. Which is remarkable growth if it happens.

Im digressing

What's this got to do with whether the forum should be moved?
Northern Ireland is hardly a template of cultural sophistication.
Better we move to the European forums and let NI be part of UK forums.

What's this got to do with whether the forum should be moved?

Erm, maybe his very first sentence...?

Northern Ireland is hardly a template of cultural sophistication.


Who said it was?

To quote yourself, what has this got to do with whether the forum should be moved?

Oh look, it's this thread again, how refreshing.

Here's an idea. Why not at least check the first page before duplicating threads?

Oh look, it's this thread again, how refreshing.

Here's an idea. Why not at least check the first page before duplicating threads?

Because I am already aware that I have posted this thread before, however the more times I post this the more likely I will get the result that I want.

Because I am already aware that I have posted this thread before, however the more times I post this the more likely I will get the result that I want.

Ahhh OK, so all facts are false except the ones you want to believe....

Can anyone come up with a better word than childish? :ohno:

Odlum this is not about your anglophobic obsession - anyone who refuses to change the subject as much as I do is certainly obsessed, believe me I recognise my own - it is about establishing proper forums in well defined cultural groupings.

So its decided, the Irish Forum should be moved to the European Forum.

Well defined cultural groupings? I can think of few cross-juristictional groupings more well-defined in cultural terms than Britain and Ireland. I can understand the historic reasons why the Irish felt they needed to be seperate from the British state, and I expect they are much more successful as a country outside of the UK than they would have been remaining in it. Nevetheless, and many Irish are now confident enough to admit it, the legacy of Ireland and Great Britain being part of the same state for so long, the geographic closeness, and the close familial ties crossing the Irish sea during the decades post-indendence of the south, are such the no country on earth has more in common with Britain than Ireland. Same language, largely the same pastimes (beer/pubs, racing and betting on the same, fishing, rugby for the middle class, just like for the English m/c, footy amongst the rest, British tv, and the same films and music) and a political and judicial system inherited from the Lord Lieutenant's. Policing, university and military tradtions all inherited from the British state.

De Valera's loopy fascistic dream of a Catholic/Gaelic-speaking rural land harking back to a mythical past that probably never existed was, like Hitler's warped sub-Wagnerian notions of a Aryan state of Teutonic warriors out of the Grail legends and your incomprehensibile "Germanian" theories, a load of bollox.

Erm, maybe his very first sentence...?



Who said it was?

To quote yourself, what has this got to do with whether the forum should be moved?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Have your own forum.

Just out of curiosity how is the forum "unsuccessful"?

It's not exactly dead is it.....

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Have your own forum.

We have. It's in the Irish forum which is in the UK & Ireland forum.

It's really easy, just look at the top of the screen......

Just out of curiosity how is the forum "unsuccessful"?

It's not exactly dead is it.....

It contains evil "celts". Britain, or England at least (minus Cornwall, yes Losty is that mad) has more in common with the hochdeutsche-speaking villages that have survived in Transylvania than it does with Ireland. Time for a smiley: :nuts:.

We have. It's in the Irish forum which is in the UK & Ireland forum.

It's really easy, just look at the top of the screen......

If we have to be in the UK & Ireland forum because of Northern Ireland, then that is absurd.

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Have your own forum.

We used to have our own forum before certain members cried about it.

It seems you can't satisfy everyone.

lostboy, are you going to create this pol every week untill you get the answer you want?

I saw the thread title and I knew straight away who created this thread.

If we have to be in the UK & Ireland forum because of Northern Ireland, then that is absurd.

How do you work that one out?

This crap again? Shut up lads, nobody cares...

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Have your own forum.


We did then the new-age republicans got all upset and started to cry, so we are left with this current arrangement.

It works perfectly well, so piss off. I have never seen you post in this forum before. Seems you're here merely to act like a dick.

It works perfectly well, so piss off. I have never seen you post in this forum before. Seems you're here merely to act like a dick.

Second that. Just ignore this. I hope this is the last post

Actually, I don't think the problem is Ireland being located in the "UK & Ireland" forum, which just differenciates us from Continental Europe. Rather, I think the problem is the design of the of the forum itself.

For Example, the forum heading, Euroscrapers, is followed by a list of Countries or large geographical regions. So, if I click on "Nordic and Baltic", I am presented with a list of countries, such as Estonis, Sweden etc. Only after I have clicked on a Country do I see individual cities such as Stockholm, Malmo etc.

On the UK & Ireland forum, under the main heading you are presented with a list of English provincial Cities such as Birmingham and Manchester with Ireland lost in between.

I think with would be better if under the banner heading we were presented with Endland, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Only after we have selected one of those regions would we be presented with individual cities.

I think the Irish forum is fairly anonomous, as on other threads I frequently see posts from far and wide but on the Irish forum, its just locals. I think the positioning of "Ireland" in between various cities contributes to this.

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How about simply 'British Isles' forum - problem solved. A clear geographical catchment area and each country belongs to them so all have equal footing.

How about simply 'British Isles' forum - problem solved. A clear geographical catchment area and each country belongs to them so all have equal footing.

Can open - worms everywhere!

I'm new here. I posted reasonable comments on why the forum should be moved. All I got was personal attacks. So it seems I've stumbled upon a personal website for use by some members on a public forum. That is the measure of the forum's success, it appears.
I would like my country to be moved to a spearate European forum. I have nothing against Northern Ireland and am only too happy that it remain part of the UK forum. I have no political agenda either: Northern Ireland is part of the UK and I'm extremely happy that it continues to do so.
Thanks.

I'm new here. I posted reasonable comments on why the forum should be moved. All I got was personal attacks. So it seems I've stumbled upon a personal website for use by some members on a public forum. That is the measure of the forum's success, it appears.
I would like my country to be moved to a spearate European forum. I have nothing against Northern Ireland and am only too happy that it remain part of the UK forum. I have no political agenda either: Northern Ireland is part of the UK and I'm extremely happy that it continues to do so.
Thanks.

I'm sorry you feel as if you were personally attacked. Some of your posts were disrespectful, so you can hardly expect every poster to respect you in return.

All I got was personal attacks.
Thanks.

Firstly, welcome.:cheers:

The forum is not like you think it is - not in here anyway. Most posters, myself included, never engage in personal attacks. I say most but some do. That unfortunately is to be expected in certain forums. Most people are nice though and accomodating even when there is disagreements. If everyone agreed life would be pretty boring!:)

How about simply 'British Isles' forum - problem solved. A clear geographical catchment area and each country belongs to them so all have equal footing.

because some nationalists can't even stand that geographical term, and want it changed to the 'Atlantic Isles'. I propose we change the name of the Irish sea to the English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh sea, to be accurate.

because some nationalists can't even stand that geographical term, and want it changed to the 'Atlantic Isles'. I propose we change the name of the Irish sea to the English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh sea, to be accurate.

What about the Isle of Mann? They'll never stand for this!!! You dont want to upset them!!!!!! :gunz:
:p

I'm new here. I posted reasonable comments on why the forum should be moved. All I got was personal attacks. So it seems I've stumbled upon a personal website for use by some members on a public forum. That is the measure of the forum's success, it appears.
I would like my country to be moved to a spearate European forum. I have nothing against Northern Ireland and am only too happy that it remain part of the UK forum. I have no political agenda either: Northern Ireland is part of the UK and I'm extremely happy that it continues to do so.
Thanks.

However, you're new here and you've not made any useful contributions to any of the other discussions in the Irish forums. So, you can understand why people are skeptical of you making demands for the forum to be moved.

If the majority of people who are using these forums regularly want them moved then ok - but if it's just one person with an agenda and someone new who hasn't contributed to them yet then I personally wouldn't take any notice of this demand.

Remember this is a Skyscraper Development forum - not a political 'We're Free Irish!' forum. Politics should be left at the door.

Firstly, welcome.:cheers:

The forum is not like you think it is - not in here anyway. Most posters, myself included, never engage in personal attacks. I say most but some do. That unfortunately is to be expected in certain forums. Most people are nice though and accomodating even when there is disagreements. If everyone agreed life would be pretty boring!:)

Thanks for your welcome, I really appreciate it. I spend most of my time on Skycrapercity looking at other forums and they are absulutely fantastic with daily photos on all things urban and architectural. Then I stumble upon the Ireland site and what do I get? People from Northern Ireland with some sort of agenda. I'd like the Ireland forum to be like others on Skyscrapercity: less text based misery posts and culture warfare from Northern Ireland. What I would like are many more photos of what is going on in our country. And I feel that if we moved to the European forums it would be better for us and easier for people to find the forum on Skyscrapercity.
Also, I have photos I want to post on the forum, but it seems I can't do so: I can post replies but I can't post attachments. Does anyone know why I can't do this?
Thanks once again for your welcome.

Thanks for your welcome, I really appreciate it. I spend most of my time on Skycrapercity looking at other forums and they are absulutely fantastic with daily photos on all things urban and architectural. Then I stumble upon the Ireland site and what do I get? People from Northern Ireland with some sort of agenda. I'd like the Ireland forum to be like others on Skyscrapercity: less text based misery posts and culture warfare from Northern Ireland. What I would like are many more photos of what is going on in our country. And I feel that if we moved to the European forums it would be better for us and easier for people to find the forum on Skyscrapercity.
Also, I have photos I want to post on the forum, but it seems I can't do so: I can post replies but I can't post attachments. Does anyone know why I can't do this?
Thanks once again for your welcome.

The best way to post images to the board is to upload them to an appropriate image hosting site - http://imageshack.us

Then take the URL of the uploaded image, paste it in a post here and wrap the URL in 'image' tags
imagehost.com/someimage.jpg

There are plenty of instructions on imageshack if I have just confused you :)

misery posts and culture warfare from Northern Ireland.
:nuts:
Like I said, some people probably took offense to some of your posts - whether it was intended or not. This post probably wont help that.

less text based misery posts

I hope you're not assuming everybody's posts are like Snailtrain's lol

Every single filthy celt on this planet should be eradicated :yes:

I'm new here. I posted reasonable comments on why the forum should be moved. All I got was personal attacks. So it seems I've stumbled upon a personal website for use by some members on a public forum. That is the measure of the forum's success, it appears.
I would like my country to be moved to a spearate European forum. I have nothing against Northern Ireland and am only too happy that it remain part of the UK forum. I have no political agenda either: Northern Ireland is part of the UK and I'm extremely happy that it continues to do so.
Thanks.


Really? You should re-read what you typed. Those earlier replies are the reason for the less than embracing welcome.

Remember this is a Skyscraper Development forum - not a political 'We're Free Irish!' forum. Politics should be left at the door.


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I agree completely!! It's become so incredibly tiresome and boring.

Really? You should re-read what you typed. Those earlier replies are the reason for the less than embracing welcome.

Indeed. But you haven't addressed the issue of why this 'Irish' forum is so unsuccessful: hardly anyone posts on it. And trying to find the forum involves some kind of Byzantine trawl through Skyscrapercity.
I love Skyscrapercity: I will visit many of its forums but I will not be bothered to visit this forum very often. So you can have it all to yourself.

Hardly anyone posts in the Wales forum either, indeed the same can be applied to other 'regional' forums within the UK and Ireland Section.

There are periods of activity and inactivity. The fact the Irish forum is so full of tiresome and perpetual political bullshit doesn't exactly help either.

Hardly anyone posts in the Wales forum either, indeed the same can be applied to other 'regional' forums within the UK and Ireland Section.

There are periods of activity and inactivity. The fact the Irish forum is so full of tiresome and perpetual political bullshit doesn't exactly help either.

Dear me, so the forum is regional. And Wales has fewer posts. Perhaps you could raise your sights just a little.
So everyone is 'political', and you are not? Give me a break, please.

Yeah..........Northern Ireland is a UK region. :crazy:

If you have a problem with the Ireland section being here then that has already been addressed.

Yeah..........Northern Ireland is a UK region. :crazy:

If you have a problem with the Ireland section being here then that has already been addressed.

Northern Ireland is a region of the UK. Long may it continue. The Republic of Ireland is not a 'region' of the UK. Or is that too 'political' for you.
So, without being too political, I would like to easily scroll down the European forums and click on Ireland or Republc of Ireland. It's not that difficult to undersand really, and imagine the amount of traffic it would receive? But I imagine you would not be interested in that.

Again.........already been addressed.

I would have no problem with the Republic of Ireland being listed in the European section. However, some republicans previous to the current arrangement make a big fuss and so we have a joint forum.

But I imagine you would not be interested in that.

Nor can you with a post count of 15.....majority of which have been in this thread.

Such a passion for development and architecture I see.

Nor can you with a post count of 15.....majority of which have been in this thread.

Such a passion for development and architecture I see.

That's slightly elitist belfast - there's no problem with new opinions. Perhaps he's been an avid browser for the past few years? We don't know :dunno:

Nor can you with a post count of 15.....majority of which have been in this thread.

Such a passion for development and architecture I see.

Quantity of posts count for nothing - unless one is a counter of posts - not unknown on public forums, as if it indicates some kind of personal veracity.
And I am most interested in architecture.
But to take this away from the personal, take a look at the Spanish forum - beautifully organised, completely devoted to construction projects/architecture and any other business devoted to a thread at the bottom. Perfect.

beautifully organised

That's not something that we mere mortals can do anything about. UK forum admin and mods decide on that.

That's not something that we mere mortals can do anything about. UK forum admin and mods decide on that.

:lol:

That's not something that we mere mortals can do anything about. UK forum admin and mods decide on that.

Well, I don't know about that. If so, then the 'Ireland' forum doesn't really matter. And that's OK too, as most of the time I spend on Skyscrapercity is on other forums.

It's not all that hard to navigate to here, sure you're doing it ok Alkareem :)

There's a button with "bookmark" on it somewhere on your screen btw...

It's not all that hard to navigate to here

Indeed. If people want to have a look at the Irish forum, it's not exactly rocket science to find. I doubt there's hundreds of people sitting around scratching their head wondering where the Irish forum is. Though i do think that the layout of the whole UK and Ireland subforum could do with a bit of restructuring.

Indeed. If people want to have a look at the Irish forum, it's not exactly rocket science to find. I doubt there's hundreds of people sitting around scratching their head wondering where the Irish forum is. Though i do think that the layout of the whole UK and Ireland subforum could do with a bit of restructuring.

Excuse me please, yet another Northern Ireland poster trying to justify the present arrangement. It's not rocket science to negotiate one's way to this forum - but you're begging the question. Why should I have to negotiate my way to this forum?
And then to arrive at some dysfunctional area where I have to trawl my way to Architecture/Urbanity by way of Alex Higgins/ Can you speak Irish/ God knows what else threads. This is Skyscrapercity: a wonderful resource of Urbanity. Look at the Spanish forum (and many others): but perhaps this is entirely lost on you.

Why should I have to negotiate my way to this forum?


Nobody's forcing you, mate...

Indeed. If people want to have a look at the Irish forum, it's not exactly rocket science to find. I doubt there's hundreds of people sitting around scratching their head wondering where the Irish forum is. Though i do think that the layout of the whole UK and Ireland subforum could do with a bit of restructuring.

exactly... it's listed as UK & ireland forum on the front page in bloody big letters despite the fact ireland has few posts compared to the UK. if people don't like it ultimately they can leave. i don't give a toss we have Threads: 586,643, Posts: 35,166,323, Members: 418,394. posters here are one of 418,394 people... and if someone leaves today why should i care? 356 people have joined. what we have works, and works well - well enough for us to be on CNN and so on. if it's a bit idiosyncratic then so what, that's life :)

Why should I have to negotiate my way to this forum?

I don't know what other forums you use, but i tend to find that i have to navigate my way around on any forum to find topics i want to read up on. Happily, this is such a simple task, a two year old could manage it.

I think it should be in the European forums really, being a sovereign country.


At the very least it should have more prominence then it does.

I think it should be in the European forums really, being a sovereign country.


At the very least it should have more prominence then it does.

Shhh.... be quiet! The people from Northern Ireland will get all upset, and accuse you of being 'political'.
Making the Ireland forum a success? That's not on their agenda.

^ you mean like the Germany & Austria forum and the Nordic and Baltics?

exactly, and in comparison to those the irish forum is less than two years old, the danish one is more than five, and the irish one recently overtook denmark in the posting stakes. it should overtake sweden next.... success is relative but this forum is pottering along fine, particularly as the republic has been hit by a horrible recession that's killed a huge chunk of future construction. my only regret is i didn't make this forum in 2005.

The forum is a success in as much as it can be at this stage - I disagree with the OP that it is not a "success" because it takes time to build a forum up. I think it is becoming more popular and there are much more posters then there was before it was here. Before the forum it was a complete mess altogether. Much better with it, then without it.


Also it's not like construction won't pick up either. I think you will see more activity as more major public projects start esspecially in Dublin over the next 6 - 12 months. The economy is in a state of recovery so it will be somewhat longer then that before we see a real discernable increase in private sector major construction projects. Therer is a whole wall of major private projects on Ice.

The forum is a success in as much as it can be at this stage - I disagree with the OP that it is not a "success" because it takes time to build a forum up. I think it is becoming more popular and there are much more posters then there was before it was here. Before the forum it was a complete mess altogether. Much better with it, then without it.


Also it's not like construction won't pick up either. I think you will see more activity as more major public projects start esspecially in Dublin over the next 6 - 12 months. The economy is in a state of recovery so it will be somewhat longer then that before we see a real discernable increase in private sector major construction projects. Therer is a whole wall of major private projects on Ice.

I agree, construction will pick up. What is most interesting are the entirely negative posts from Northern Ireland and elsewhere: it's continuous and relentless. A case of schadenfreude, I feel.
Perhaps they could push off to the Wales forum (or some suchlike). They have a reputation for cosmopolitanism, (allegedly).

schadenfreude based on what? Please be more specific.

I think we should just wait and see.. If the forum does progress and grow still, then it might be a good idea to move it (eventually).. For now, its fine where it is... :)

And when the time does come.. NI will stay with the UK forum.. But NI forumers will probably want to visit the new seperate Ireland forum in the European section, just as the turks of Turkey in the European section like to visit the Middle East section from time to time!

I think we should just wait and see.. If the forum does progress and grow still, then it might be a good idea to move it (eventually).. For now, its fine where it is... :)

And when the time does come.. NI will stay with the UK forum.. But NI forumers will probably want to visit the new seperate Ireland forum in the European section, just as the turks of Turkey in the European section like to visit the Middle East section from time to time!

I agree with your last statement. NI people would be perfectly welcome and quote, verbatim, passages from the Belfast Telegraph to their hearts' content!
You see, I'm quite tolerant!

misery posts and culture warfare from Northern Ireland.

Shhh.... be quiet! The people from Northern Ireland will get all upset, and accuse you of being 'political'.
Making the Ireland forum a success? That's not on their agenda.

What is most interesting are the entirely negative posts from Northern Ireland and elsewhere: it's continuous and relentless..

NI people would be perfectly welcome and quote, verbatim, passages from the Belfast Telegraph to their hearts' content!

Judging from your posts I think the only person with a 'relentless' agenda is you.

Seems like you have some sort of a problem with "The people from Northern Ireland", or maybe you're just a troll (can't rule that out with the newer members).

Judging from your posts I think the only person with a 'relentless' agenda is you.

Seems like you have some sort of a problem with "The people from Northern Ireland", or maybe you're just a troll (can't rule that out with the newer members).

When you can't address the issues I raised, then you resort to personal attack.
Read the posts from Northern Ireland members. Then you decide.

When you can't address the issues I raised, then you resort to personal attack.

Which issues would you like address?

Why the forum is so unsuccessful?

How would you measure success? If you're going to measure it by post count I would say that it is as 'successful' as I would expect it to be.

Which issues would you like address?

Why the forum is so unsuccessful?

How would you measure success? If you're going to measure it by post count I would say that it is as 'successful' as I would expect it to be.

Thanks for being civil. You will need to to read my original posts from the beginning - sorry about that. And also the responses, which are quite informative.
My ideal forum would be the Spanish one, which is superbly organised.
I hope that answers your questions. I want the best for the Ireland forum,
that is all

alkareem your posts about 'northern irelanders' border on the xenophobic. Complaining about inappropriate posts yet recently on here you pursue a relentless agenda to collectively belittle the populace of an entire country.....hmmm

^^

Indeed, all aboard the irony bus.

Alkareem, do you not think that there's a lot of people in NI who would love to see the south piss off to their own forum?

I think the NI people on here are mostly positive and tolerant, able to discuss topics with our "cousins" in a polite and constructive manner. This wouldn't have been the case 20 years ago, say. We've grown up, so why don't you...?

Oh, and we did actually answer your question way at the very beginning, but I'll repeat it for you... Because it's fine where it is...!

Alkareem, do you not think that there's a lot of people in NI who would love to see the south piss off to their own forum?

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I do. And to piss them off even more keep it the Irish forum - which it is.

OK. This is my final post on the issue. And it's clear nothing will happen.
That's OK too, as I spend most of my time elsewhere on Skyscrapercity.
Thanks.

well enough for us to be on CNN and so on.

What's this? :)