Just looking at some of those religious threads has made me think about cities and the different ratial ghettos that exist within them.

Personally I love going to a suburb and seing everything written in Indian or Chinese - makes me feel like I have travelled to another country.

For instance I love going to Sunnybank in Brisbane because of the Chinese influence there - not just in the shops but in the architecture of the houses, the prevelance of white luxury cars, excellent resturants and inflated costs of housing.

This is a discussion about the different ratial zones that exist within Australian cities - feel free to add pictures of streets ect..

Perhaps this thread is better in another area?

What are your views?
jt

Maybe you should have gotten rolled in a racial ghetto, would you think they're that fantastic still?

For instance I love going to Sunnybank in Brisbane because of the Chinese influence there - not just in the shops but in the architecture of the houses, the prevelance of white luxury cars, excellent resturants and inflated costs of housing.


ghetto
n 1: formerly the restricted quarter of many European cities in
which Jews were required to live; "the Warsaw ghetto"
2: any segregated mode of living or working that results from
bias or stereotyping; "the relative security of the gay
ghetto"; "no escape from the ghetto of the typing pool"
3: a poor densely populated city district occupied by a
minority ethnic group linked together by economic hardship
and social restrictions. Oh but they all drive white luxury
cars..........

I have been mugged in Redfern before by two abo guys about 6 years ago. I was ok but I can say after touring the area in a police car the hatred was very apparent - "fuck of white cunt", "white prick"; being blonde, anglo and well-off looking has its pluses and minuses.

I have to say I too like seeing areas of a city devoted to different cultures like Chinese, Spanish, Italian but you can forget Indian - the indian areas of most cities are a blight.

Last time in Kuala Lumpur all the Indians just stared, oogled, heckled and basically annoyed the crap out us with sexual gesturing and requests for sex. I hate Indian food, Indian culture and I don't much like Indians.

^I don't much like you, you racist prick.

You hate Indian food? You ever tried Butter Chicken or Chicken Tikka? It's beautiful.

As for areas of a specific race, Melbourne has them, but they are not ghetto like or exclusive to other races.

For instance, Victoria Street which borders Collingwood and Richmond, has predominantly a Vietnamese theme. There, you will find everything from restaurants to travel agencies to solicitors/accountants/architects, to bakers, to little supermarkets, even a karioke bar for that community. It's quite surreal, especially to think that this was once a Greek dominated area. But anyone is welcome down there. The restaurants are great.

Oakleigh is predominantly Greek, as does seem to be Northcote.

Carlton is known for being predominantly an Italian area.

Lonsdale street, in the city, has traditionally been a Greek commercial strip.

Springvale is known for its shadyness, usually Vietnamese, though I have never personally experienced a problem there, though I know of a person who has.

Newport has alot of Lebanese and Greeks who live there, though this area is predominantly residential, not so much commercial.

I hate Indian food, Indian culture and I don't much like Indians.

What are you on about mate! Fair enough to say you dont like indian food (which i myself totally disagree with- indian food is one of my faves), But Australian Indians are mostly very friendly and welcoming (or the ones I have met anyway, and there are alot at my school). They are hard workers and not trouble makers. And they produce some fine lookin women too!

Originally quoted by SydneyDude:

What are you on about mate! Fair enough to say you dont like indian food (which i myself totally disagree with- indian food is one of my faves), But Australian Indians are mostly very friendly and welcoming (or the ones I have met anyway, and there are alot at my school). They are hard workers and not trouble makers. And they produce some fine lookin women too!


I agree. In Australia, which is all I can comment on, they are quiet, almost shy. One thing they arent and thats trouble makers. And, they love talking cricket. Like I said, Butter Chiken and Chicken Tikka are great Indian dishes.

I love seeing ethnic towns, as long as it's safe.

How many of them do we have in Sydney?
The ones I know are:

Leichhardt (Italian)
Auburn (Turkish)
Cabramatta (Vietnamese)
Bankstown (Vietnamese)
Ashfield (Chinese)
Hurstville (Chinese)
Campsie (Korean)
Strathfield (Korean)

Are there any more? Any Indian or Greek towns?

Yea, Fabian told me a few days ago that he lives in a predominantly Greek area. I can't recall the name of the place though.

I just enjoy stiring the pot sometimes - good to see everyone whip themselves into a frenzy.

Excuse me... what is racist in disliking people based on personal experience?Call me a racist punk if you want - it doesn't really worry me. This is my opinion get over it.

My feelings were more related to those socialised on the Indian mainland and not those socialised elsewhere. Might I add this was not one isolated case and I have seen friends burnt with deceptive and shonky dealings, too many bad experiences can easily influence the feelings I have - to a perception not exactly positive.

I do however dislike the appearance of ghettos forming in Sydney's west - while Cabramatta and Mt Druitt show signs of major break-down it seems to be getting worse not better. There is much evidence to suggest some crime is linked with ethnicity and again with cultural and social non-integration.

I lve the international feeling certain cultures have brought to Australia but it should be noted that if multicultural policy is not more clearly defined we could end up with a destabilised social and cultural population that shows little relevance to what most of us have now.

Greek = Brighton le Sans?

what is racist in disliking people based on personal experience?
Nothing wrong with that, however, you are making a racist generalisation by saying all Indians (including myself) are to be disliked. As you could expect, I do not like to be insulted, as I'm sure you wouldn't either. However, I will never make the mistake of generalising and saying all Australians (you are presumably Australian) are racist as I know that isn't true. If I was to base my opinion of Australians on you, it wouldn't be a favourable one.

I would rather see migrant communities spread out, rather than overwhelming in one area. I don't like the term ghetto much either.

But I can understand why people want to me more amongst their own. I'm an Aussie living in Shepherds Bush, West London after all. It's full of Aussies and Kiwis.

A lot of new arrival African migrants are settling around the Footscray area and opening quite interesting shops and food outlets/cafes.

The appearance of poor racial ghettos can mainly be attributed to white flight. A few too many non white people move into a neighbourhood, who aren't even poor, and all the whites get edgy and flee. In america atleast, the most uniformly racial areas are where the white people live.

Asians in perth seem to like the areas where the public schools are good. So thats willeton and rossmoyne. They're also like 60% of people walking around in the CBD. And only white people seem to like new housing estates.

last time i was in the city i would have said 70% were asian! iv noticed the asains like to live in places where big shops are prominent ie. alot of asains live in booragoon and morley areas where the two big shops are. white aussies seem to love their suburban dreams like fandango said imo cant stand the suburbs and cant wait to get out!:d

europeans seem to love fremantle and its outskirts hence all the italian/greek restaurants around there. the younger generation of europeans have been migrating to subi and you see alot of them around there at night

poms love whoop whoop ie. joondalup and rockingham etc...

Greek = Brighton le Sans?

That's what people say, but it isn't obvious like the little italy in Leichhardt.
I can only find one Souvlaki cafe there and the rest are ordinary seafood restaurants, italian, kebab, etc. I'd like to see a proper Greek town where I feel like I'm in Greece...

Kingsford is Indonesian.

I think the the little italy, little greece, spanish quarter, chinatown etc... should be closer to the CBD like found in most world cities. It is expected that there will be suburbs where homogeneous ethnic grouping are found but for them to give Sydney a truly international flavour some of them need to be closer to the action.

It is funny where some ethnic groups have settled as I don't see some of the locations as typical of where I might expect them to head.

I think the the little italy, little greece, spanish quarter, chinatown etc... should be closer to the CBD like found in most world cities. It is expected that there will be suburbs where homogeneous ethnic grouping are found but for them to give Sydney a truly international flavour some of them need to be closer to the action.

It is funny where some ethnic groups have settled as I don't see some of the locations as typical of where I might expect them to head.

Hmm...

I like it the way it is really, that you don't get just one homogenous suburbia but there is still cultural diversity away from the city. For one it means I can get great ethnic food only a few minutes walk from my house. It also makes the city seem bigger somehow...that places far from the CBD can still be so cosmopolitan really puts lie to the bullshit untruth the Melbournites try to spin that Sydney doesn't have distinct neighbourhoods!
:)

i thought we were all Australian :ohno:

Elizabeth Town was a new town north of Adelaide designed to house a massive post WW2 influx of immigrants, predominantly poms. While it's now a more multi cultural ghetto, there's still a very large english contingent - at last year's SANFL grand final, a mob of central district (elizabeth, salisbury, gawler) supporters produced a massive british flag and made more noise than an AFL crowd.

i thought we were all Australian :ohno:
what is 'australian' ?

Although the question is obviously intended to be positive, I think that Australians are sometimes unaware of the negative connotations of words like “ghetto.” I have very mixed feelings about “ethnic” neighborhoods—wealthy white people tend to treat them as amusement parks. They do provide a cushion for recent arrivals to a country but they can also function as a trap for younger people, particularly women. And then there are ghettos created by racism, like Harlem, in NYC. Now Harlem I think of as one of the great cultural centers of the world, but much of its culture is based on the experiences of what it’s like to be ghettoized by a dominant society.

So overall, the “authentic” restaurants and quaint festivals aren’t really worth the paranoia, loneliness and poverty that tend to sink into such places.

what is 'australian' ?

Well,

We are one, but we are many, and from all the lands we come, we share a dream, and sing with one voice, I am, you are, we are Australian.

:nuts:

I have to say I too like seeing areas of a city devoted to different cultures like Chinese, Spanish, Italian but you can forget Indian - the indian areas of most cities are a blight.

Last time in Kuala Lumpur all the Indians just stared, oogled, heckled and basically annoyed the crap out us with sexual gesturing and requests for sex. I hate Indian food, Indian culture and I don't much like Indians.
Wow, interesting. In the US, all the Indians and the places they tend to live are totally the opposite. Indians are the most successful of any immigrant group in the US.

Oh my I should have said nothing... I am not talking necessarily about Indians in Australia. In Kuala Lumpur and some other cities I have been to the areas were not well received by me or those I have been travelling with.

BTW successful does not always mean everything is kosher, some of the most successful people in this world are of the shonkiest order.

If racial ghettos are bad (to a certain extent, I think they are), are ethnic neighbourhoods bad too? I was just thinking about this the other day. I live in an Italian neighbourhood where an entire generation of Italians did not require even a remote knowledge of English, which produced, in essence, an entire secluded yet thriving enclave. The area is, though now more diverse, affluent. Does that make it better than a racial "ghetto" because it has more money? I mean, it fulfills the same function in terms of isolation etc.

I have been mugged in Redfern before by two abo guys about 6 years ago. I was ok but I can say after touring the area in a police car the hatred was very apparent - "fuck of white cunt", "white prick"; being blonde, anglo and well-off looking has its pluses and minuses.

I have to say I too like seeing areas of a city devoted to different cultures like Chinese, Spanish, Italian but you can forget Indian - the indian areas of most cities are a blight.

Last time in Kuala Lumpur all the Indians just stared, oogled, heckled and basically annoyed the crap out us with sexual gesturing and requests for sex. I hate Indian food, Indian culture and I don't much like Indians.

First of I second Amarruu about Butter Chicken, that's a taste sensation!

I can't speak for cities around the world, but in Australia at least I have worked and been friends with plenty of indian and pakistani people throughout my time and find them to be most compatible with the Australian way of life! I'm pretty sure that there are no Indian ghettos in Australia, I'd peg Indians as the most surburban group of immigrants Australia has along with perhaps South Africans

As for your comments Avatar - It appears you were sexually harrassed, are you female, I never knew!

Avatar is a guy, but that may be of no particular consequence in the situation. I have had mock sexual gestures thrown at me in a certain country. I dunno about Avy's case (he might have been flaunting it! ;) ) but in mine there wasn't any deep meaning involved. Just "ignorable"...easy as.

Racial ghettos...hrmmm. The word "ghetto" has a negative conotation. So I would have to say "No, they're not a good thing" in this sense.

However, it is really cool how different commiunities get together out of necessity and want, creating all this "stuff" we wouldn't be exposed to otherwise. Foremost is how a particular community benefits from having a support system around them, whether it be through the establishment of common meeting areas to socialising at the monthly "do".

What others benefit from that is a nice spin-off....and hopefully (ideally) understanding.

Ultimately it is not up to others to say who lives aside who - something us Australians are often quick on the up-take. We really are a bunch of sticky-beaks.

In Sydney's case, I think the little Italy of East Sydney, Chinatown and the "so-called" Spanish 1/4 around Liverpool/Kent are all prety close to the action.

I dont really like the word ghetto, mostly because it is one of those words that has been so overly used incorrectly that I'm not so sure it really applies in Australia. While I can understand the need to cohabit with similar people to yourself, I dont necessarily think that suburbs of one nationality is a great thing.

For example, Sunnybank in Brisbane is very Chinese but other than that we dont really seem to have any other suburbs that are so heavily populated by one nationality (correct me if Im wrong). But we still have strong communities that revolve around the various clubs eg. the Greek Club which has the huge Paniyiri Festival. All the greeks dont live in the same suburb though and I honestly think this is a good thing. If your talking food/restaurants, well my suburb has an Indian, Thai, Chinese, Italian and Australian(fish) restaurants for me to choose from. Why would I want to go to a restaurant strip to have a choice of CHinese, Chinese or Chinese to choose from?

I live in a multicultural society and I like it all mixed in. The worst thing about segregating nationality's (or any specific group) is that everyone remembers the bad shit, and if something bad happens then right or wrong, it reflects on the entire community.

But it obviously can work, I just dont understand the necessity.

If your talking food/restaurants, well my suburb has an Indian, Thai, Chinese, Italian and Australian(fish) restaurants for me to choose from. Why would I want to go to a restaurant strip to have a choice of CHinese, Chinese or Chinese to choose from?


The restaurants in the ethnic neighbourhoods provide the best meal because they are the REAL ethnic foods for locals and have to compete with all other restaurants around. Each restaurant in China Town is different. China is a huge country with a full of history, each of its province has an unique cultuer and foods, and you can try them all in China Town.

You have a Chinese restaurant in your suburb? I can automatically tell what they provide, Black bean source beef, Sweet and sour pork, Wonton noodle, spring rolls, etc... that's not all what Chinese foods can offer.

I love exploring the ethinic neighbourhoods in the western Sydney. It's like travelling abroad within the city!!

GMAC, you do amaze me, of course there is variation in Chinese Foods from differing provinces and I'd also say that James is not totally correct either.

Many suburbs that are not greatly ethnic also provide a vast array of choices. Take a look at parts of the lower north shore - Neutral Bay and Crows Nest for example.

We ate out at a restaurant the other night specialising in authentic Northern Chinese cuisine - very interesting. This was in Cremorne (hardly a melting pot of culture here - it's extremely anglo). I will agree though that you can find alot of good quality authentic cuisine in the more largely ethnic neighbourhoods though.

LOL to those of you thinking i was a chick... it was more my sister that was sexually harrassed but i was in the middle of it ok, not pleasant at all.

They went ape shit, with lude gestures, comments and inappropriate behaviour, they were like dogs on heat. We were in a hawker market, it was raining the smell of curry was thick in the air (we were both starving and we both hate curry), it was also dark and crowded, all in all it was pretty shitty all round. LOL

It left a bad taste in my mouth literally when we ate at some nepalese restaurant which i thought might taste ok... yuck hehe

A horror nite I'd rather forget. :)

Copy and past out of my sociology homework:

- Ghettoes don’t exist according to the (now defunct) Bureau of Immigration, Multicultural and Population Research who said, “there is no grouping of… Districts in which more than 30-40 per cent of the total population is comprised of the same birthplace” and the author who acknowledges “while there is petty crime, alcoholism and drug dependence in the locality [Redfern], violence of the kind and level emerging from the ghetto areas of American cities is virtually unknown.” (Murphy 1997, 114)

Murphy, P. and S. Watson. 1997. Surface City. Annandale, NSW: Pluto Press.

Copy and past out of my sociology homework:

- Ghettoes don’t exist according to the (now defunct) Bureau of Immigration, Multicultural and Population Research who said, “there is no grouping of… Districts in which more than 30-40 per cent of the total population is comprised of the same birthplace” and the author who acknowledges “while there is petty crime, alcoholism and drug dependence in the locality [Redfern], violence of the kind and level emerging from the ghetto areas of American cities is virtually unknown.” (Murphy 1997, 114)

Murphy, P. and S. Watson. 1997. Surface City. Annandale, NSW: Pluto Press.

Two words:

Crack Cocaine (or lack of it in this country)

Sounds like an untapped business idea!

We are very lucky that crack hasn't taken hold in Australia, I'm not sure why, but I am very glad of it.

Some more for Sydney:
Fairfield - Assyrian
Cherrybrook - Indian (otherwise known as Currybrook)
Bossley park - italian (Home to the marconi club)
St. Johns park - croation (home to king tom club)
chatswood - chinese (hong kong expats) /korean

I dont really like the word ghetto, mostly because it is one of those words that has been so overly used incorrectly that I'm not so sure it really applies in Australia. While I can understand the need to cohabit with similar people to yourself, I dont necessarily think that suburbs of one nationality is a great thing.

For example, Sunnybank in Brisbane is very Chinese but other than that we dont really seem to have any other suburbs that are so heavily populated by one nationality (correct me if Im wrong). But we still have strong communities that revolve around the various clubs eg. the Greek Club which has the huge Paniyiri Festival. All the greeks dont live in the same suburb though and I honestly think this is a good thing. If your talking food/restaurants, well my suburb has an Indian, Thai, Chinese, Italian and Australian(fish) restaurants for me to choose from. Why would I want to go to a restaurant strip to have a choice of CHinese, Chinese or Chinese to choose from?


I know ghetto is probably the wrong word. Brisbane does have some very ethnically diverse suburbs.

Did you know that West End state primary school has more overseas born children from more countries than any other primary school in Australia?

Did you also know that the Hmong People who migrated from Laos to Hobart in the 70s are now all migrating to Browns Plains? The entire community moved to Hobart and is now on the move to this Southern Brisbane suburb. Interestingly most Hmong in Australia now live there.

Did you know:

Darra is Vietnamese and has some of the best and most authentic Vietnamese restaurants in Brisbane.

Most of the Chinese community in Sunnybank and surrounding suburbs are from Taiwan - not mainland China!

Surfers Paradise has more Jews than any other suburb in Queensland.

More New Zealanders now live on the Gold Coast than anywhere else in Australia.

Mt Gravatt and Surrounding suburbs in Brisbane's south east have high Islamic populations.

Logan has the second highest number of New Zealanders in Queensland. Much of the NZ population their are Maori in origon.

Logan also has a very high proportion of people from Samoa and other Pacific Islanders.

Bridgeman Downs in Brisbanes northern suburbs has a high proportion of people from the Indian Sub Continent and Sri Lanka.

Most new arrivals to Brisbane live in boarding houses located in the Inner Southern Suburbs - Just try shopping in Stones Corner and you will see hundereds of new people (New Australians).

Ipswich is very WASP!

North Queensland is the most ratially diverse region of Australia. South of Cairns is very Southern European it its ratial makeup.

Bundaburg has a very large German Population due to its name. The word 'Bunda' is aboriginal in origin and does not mean 'city' in German.

Woolgoolga in Northern NSW has a very large Sikh community as does the area around Southern Cairns.

Interestingly Port Headland in WA has the highest percentage of NZ Maoris than any other town or city in Australia.

jt

By world standards, Australia has NO ghettos. There are areas of ethnic upbringing, but it has helped Australia became the nation it is.

What is 'Australian'? :bash:

The Aborigines are the REAL Australians. All the rest of us are classed as immigrants, either by convict settlement or immigration settlement.

BTW What was the purpose of this thread JayT? Someone close this thread, so better talk about skyscrapers and infrastructural city issues. :)

Redfern is Ghetto even on Travel channel this neighbourhood was named as ghetto.

By the way, the minorities (immigrants) create their own ghettos because they do not want to assimilate, to accept new culture. So this is not your fault but theirs. Good luck.

^Um, in the case of Redfern, it is occupied mostly by Aboriginies, who can hardly be called immigrants!

By the way, the minorities (immigrants) create their own ghettos because they do not want to assimilate, to accept new culture. So this is not your fault but theirs. Good luck.

:|

Yeah, like those bloody post WW2 Lithuanians still congregating in the Sydney suburbs of Bankstown and Canley Vale, bringing down the place...those poor Aussie families that have to live near them...

:crazy2:

Grow up Jimm. You and I alike would be the first to seek out familiar faces if we moved to, say, Cameroon.

Woolgoolga in Northern NSW has a very large Sikh community as does the area around Southern Cairns.
jt

That's Fully Sikh Mate

lol

In Auckland Racial Ghettos-
Howick, Eastern Suburbs-Korean/Chinese
Manukau-Polyneisian/Maori
West Auckland-Croatian, Polyneisian, Maori, Chinese, recently Korean
Mt. Roskill-Indian, Islamic
Takapuna-? But there are heaps of Korean places there
Mt. Albert-Chinese, Somalian
East Coast Bays-European, South Africans
Albany-Korean, South Africans
City Centre-Everything
Mission Bay-Middle Eastern

Dude.......you are calling Takapuna,Mission Bay,Howick and Albany(L O L) racial ghettos......wtf?

Parts of Manukau are like ghettos maybe but those others are just plain old suburbs with different races living in them !!