View Full Version : Nuclear power Plant is good for Taiwan ?


Isan
July 16th, 2004, 11:25 PM
Whether Now or Future in our island, Taiwan
The Nuclear Power Plant is good or worst for us to carrying on ?

How you like or dislike of the new coming Plant to be operating soon :weirdo:

goship
July 17th, 2004, 03:19 AM
i think it is good for Taiwan if it wants independence !
But i don't think it can do so easily, Especially, China and US wll bubble to die on it !!

Taipei101
July 17th, 2004, 06:17 AM
Its a clean solution for power, but I would prefer something without gama radiation.

Isan
July 17th, 2004, 09:06 AM
i think it is good for Taiwan if it wants independence !
But i don't think it can do so easily, Especially, China and US wll bubble to die on it !!

WHY ????
We got 3 units already that not in reference to in term of indepencence :nono:

sin
July 17th, 2004, 02:13 PM
I think some might think that Taiwan has nuclear weapon. :D

stanford
July 17th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Well.. Taiwan had to shut down it's nuclear weapons program a while back due to intense US pressure. However, many believe nonetheless that Taiwan has a nuclear weapons program along with a chemical and biological weapons program (there lies much doubt, but people aren't discarding the idea). It's a well-known fact, also, that Taiwan has the technology, resources, and manpower to activate a nuclear weapons program, from plans to conception in a relatively short period of time. However, international pressure, predominantly the US, would prevent Taiwan from making such a careless move.

Isan
July 17th, 2004, 08:27 PM
Some cited to allegedly KMT wanna produced in earlier 80's

But a matter of fact is that it was not tolerablenss to his counterpart Unilaterally, subject to lash out Lucid & lively

Hence, Taiwan is still a anti-nuclear weapon nation after passed its 2 decade :)

Taipei101
July 18th, 2004, 11:21 AM
So stupid, US only wants Israel and a few EU countries to have nukes because they are scared to have rogue nations to have them, as if they would be stupid enough to attack the US.

Isan
July 24th, 2004, 05:59 PM
「核武失衡點」專書指出 重啟研發的關鍵不在技術 而是政治意願
【本報系華盛頓記者張宗智廿三日電】華府智庫戰略暨國際研究中心在日前出版的一本專書中表示,已聲明不發展核武的台灣,如果政治上有意願發展核武,短期內就可以恢復研發。

這本由該中心資深副總裁坎柏主編的「核武失衡點」專書,詳述八個國家發展核武的歷史;其中有一章專門探討台灣發展核武的歷史,及未來重新恢復核武研發的可能性,由該中心研究員、前美國國防部中國科科長米德偉撰寫。

文中提到,台灣曾透過中科院,在七○及八○年代秘密研發核武,但最後都在美國發現及施壓下中止。1987年美國派到中科院臥底多年的張憲義上校,攜帶台灣發展核武的機密文件叛逃美國後,台灣被迫拆除相關設施,放棄多年的核武計畫。

米德偉說,如果不是張憲義叛逃,當時美國情報官員評估,台灣頂多再一、兩年就可以製造出核子彈。

米德偉說,台灣目前並未發展核武,加上技術遠不如前、當年負責研發的科學家退休、國際原子能總署把台灣核子反應爐也列入管轄範圍及和美國有共識等因素,都是台灣成為核武國家的障礙。

但米德偉也表示,台灣重啟核武計畫最關鍵的限制及最重要的因素,不在技術,而是政治意願。

米德偉引用一份美國學者席格爾在1998年訪問台灣中科院研究人員的說法表示,「如果有政治意願」,現有製造武器材料,在三到四個月內就可以達成;「如果台灣遭美國背棄,只要不到一年時間,台灣就可利用現有的民用核子反應爐,快速蓋出鈽再處理廠」。

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postmodern
July 24th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Funny to see many Koreans r concerned with Taiwan's independence... or it is another bounty...Their disfunction may be caused by their straying in their own reunification...and, political unfreedom...

Taiwan sure has the ability to create nukes but no the US won't allow that happen otherwise Taiwan could have done that already since so many intellectuals and academies/universities moved there decades ago. If Taiwan dares go against US' will, then ok time is due...

Isan
July 24th, 2004, 06:28 PM
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Introduction:
Taiwan does not possess nuclear weapons, but began a covert nuclear weapons program in 1964 that ended in 1988 as a result of U.S. pressure. Taiwan signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 and has implemented the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) “Program 93+2” safeguards. Despite persistent suspicions of offensive and defensive chemical and biological weapons (CBW) programs, there is no conclusive evidence that Taiwan has developed or deployed chemical or biological weapons. Taiwan is currently developing the Tien Chi, a short-range ballistic missile system that can reach the coast of China.
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Nuclear | Biological | Chemical | Missile


Nuclear:
Taiwan’s first nuclear reactor was built at National Tsinghua University in 1956, and its first nuclear power plant was opened in 1965. Taiwan now possesses six nuclear units housed in three nuclear power plants with a total capacity of 5,144 megawatts. Although plagued by domestic opposition and delays, a fourth nuclear power plant is scheduled to begin operation in 2006. Taiwan’s nuclear weapons program was established under the direction of the Institute of Nuclear Energy Research (INER) and the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology following mainland China’s first nuclear test in October 1964. The “Hsin Chu” program involved procurement and operation of a heavy water reactor, a heavy water production plant, a reprocessing research laboratory, and a plutonium separation plant. Confusion still exists about the extent of Taiwan’s reprocessing efforts, but the estimated amount of reprocessed plutonium falls far short of the quantity needed for a nuclear weapon. U.S. pressure caused Taiwan to end its nuclear weapons program in 1988 after International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspections discovered missing fuel rods and the former deputy director of INER defected to the United States with detailed information about Taiwan’s program. Taiwan probably possesses the technological expertise necessary to develop nuclear weapons, but U.S. pressure and the possibility of a pre-emptive strike by China have prevented a resumption of the nuclear weapons program.
Excerpts from the Nuclear and Missile Developments Database


Biological:
Taiwan has reportedly made efforts to acquire a biological weapons (BW) capability. A report from the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service claimed that Taiwan has developed three dozen types of bacteria, apparently for weaponization purposes. This report was vigorously denied by the Ministry of National Defense (MND). Taiwan signed the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BWC) in 1972, but its role in this treaty is not officially recognized. Taiwan has not been permitted to join the Australia Group.


Chemical:
In 1989, the U.S. Congress was informed that Taiwan could have acquired an offensive chemical weapons (CW) capability. While acknowledging production of small quantities of CW agents for defense research purposes, Taiwanese authorities have consistently denied any offensive CW capabilities. Still, rumors persist that Taiwan has stockpiled sarin in two locations: Tsishan (Kaohsiung) and in Kuanhsi, Hsinchu County. Chemical defense research and development is conducted at the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology. Because of Taiwan’s ambiguous international status, it cannot join the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) nor the Australia Group.


Missile:
Taiwan’s short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) program is based at the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology, which has developed a range of missiles including the Hsiung Feng series of anti-ship missiles, the Tien Chien series of air-to-air missiles, and the Tien Kung series of surface-to-air missiles. These systems have provided Taiwanese scientists with experience and a technological base in areas such as composite materials and guidance and fire control systems, which are essential for development of longer range surface-to-surface missiles. Taiwan has two SRBM programs. The liquid-fueled, single-stage Ching Feng has a range of 130 km with a 270 kg payload. Initially deployed in the early 1980s, it is unclear how many Ching Feng missiles were built and whether they are still operational. The Tien Chi, first test-fired in 1997, is a solid-fueled, two-stage missile with a 300 km range that can reach China’s southeastern coast. The Tien Chi incorporates global positioning system technology and has an estimated payload of 100-500 kg. One report claims that as many as 50 Tien Chi missiles have been deployed on Tungyin Island and at an unidentified second location. Development of the Tien Ma, a ballistic missile with a range of 950 km, was reportedly discontinued in the early 1980s due to U.S. pressure


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Isan
September 24th, 2004, 07:42 AM
Taiwan held a nuclear safety drill in this southern county, simulating radiation leaks from a nuclear plant, terrorist attacks and sabotage by agents from China, officials said.

"The drill covers a vast area of five kilometers (three miles) surrounding the plant as this year's focus is damage control in the event of radiation leak," said an Atomic Energy Council official Thursday.

The exercise was jointly staged on the complex of a nuclear plant in Pingtung by the Atomic Energy Council, Taiwan Power Co, and the county government.

The army sent chemical warfare troops to help combat mock terrorist attacks and the police bomb squad was called in to remove devices from the power generators, the official said.

Coast Guard Administration officers were mobilized to search for purported Chinese agents hiding in the nuclear plant facility.

"The seaside power plant is an obvious target for the stowaways who are either trying to find a hideout or perhaps trying to do some damage to the facilities," the official said.

The annual nuclear safety drill, currently on its second day, will end on Friday.

As of 2003, power from Taiwan's three nuclear plants provided 21.5 percent of the island's energy needs.

Thursday September 23, 2:30 PM



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thyrdrail
September 24th, 2004, 11:45 AM
i find it ironic that the u.s. has taken pains to prevent taiwan from developing her own weapons like long range missiles in the past and i guess the present as well, yet is so willing to sell them these weapons now, even going further to criticize taiwan's govt. for inaction on weapons procurement and failing to keep up with china in the arms race. if taiwan was allowed to build these weapons in the past, they wouldn't have this problem to chastise them about.

Taihoku_Formosa
September 25th, 2004, 08:59 PM
TW has a lot of hot springs. Our government should find a way to get a good use of the resource.

loco
November 24th, 2004, 11:56 PM
No way.I'm completely in disagree with nuclear power plants.They should try with other energy sources.

chuangk
November 25th, 2004, 03:38 AM
I think Taiwan should try to use more renewable energies such as Wind, Thermal, Ocean Wave, etc. I read an article somewhere that some European countries such as the Denmark and Ireland r building large offshore wind plants, maybe Tw can build similiar projects.

superchan7
November 25th, 2004, 09:40 AM
Waste incineration, gas power, etc. are some other environmentally friendly but more practical and conventional methods. Hong Kong's got coal power plants and they really need to go. They're clean for coal, but could be cleaner. No matter how high-tech they say they are, they're still burning coal.

loco
November 25th, 2004, 11:07 PM
I think Taiwan should try to use more renewable energies such as Wind, Thermal, Ocean Wave, etc. I read an article somewhere that some European countries such as the Denmark and Ireland r building large offshore wind plants, maybe Tw can build similiar projects.

Completely in agree with you. :yes: :okay:

Huhu
November 27th, 2004, 08:44 AM
I think Taiwan should try to use more renewable energies such as Wind, Thermal, Ocean Wave, etc. I read an article somewhere that some European countries such as the Denmark and Ireland r building large offshore wind plants, maybe Tw can build similiar projects.

I dunno, offshore wind generators would be blasted to bits every year by typhoons I think.

Isan
November 27th, 2004, 11:22 AM
ALSO Taiwan is suitated at earthquake zone
Can not be built of any wind generator indeed

Maybe the thermic plant would able to workable for the next generation power source because we have to be rich of hot springs island-wide

tr
November 27th, 2004, 03:06 PM
The problem with nuclear power is that the government and Taipower have never been transparent about issues relevant to the construction of the projects. They have never had an independent environmental review of plant sites nor have they provided the public with plans for longterm waste disposal.

According to the head of Applied Geophysics at National Taiwan Ocean University, Lee Chao Hsing, research suggests that the site of the fourth nuclear plant is offshore from the large and very active Kueishan volcanic patch.

"Sixty kilometers to the east of Kungliao he and his associates discovered significant deep-sea crab activity. Sunlight does not penetrate beyond a depth of 200 meters, preventing photosynthesis and the survival of marine life. However, in the vicinity of live undersea volcanoes, marine life flourishes and shrimp and crabs abound. Lee thinks the live volcanic area is relatively large. There, marine life activity follows the lava flow, and the undersea water temperature reaches 140 degrees Centigrade. These findings strongly suggest that a live volcano exists in the area. he adds that this area happens to be one of Taiwan's most seismically active zones."

huaiwei
November 27th, 2004, 07:39 PM
Well considering the elements of safety alone, I would be highly cautious over the use of nuclear power. One massive earthquake, and we wont know what is going to happen. This is still far worse then a bunch of damaged wind generators.

superchan7
November 27th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Cold fusion ;P

Taihoku_Formosa
November 27th, 2004, 09:43 PM
Taiwan has a lot of hot springs. However, I think ppl prefer turning them into hotels rather than power plants.