It seems as though EFC have completely changed their strategy and ideology in relation to Goodison Park. One from arguably allowing it to rot and wear down to nothing, to "we're proud of Goodison and we want to show you how proud we are" - Bill Kenwright.

Furthermore CEO Robert Elestone today stated that a new stadium elsewhere in Liverpool was highly unlikely in the short term or medium term.



evertonfc.com - Wednesday 4 August 2010, 19:16

http://www.evertonfc.com/assets/_files/cached/img/494x270/aug_10/efc__1280924651_newdev.jpg

Everton have announced plans for a state of the art retail and administration development adjacent to the Goodison Park stadium.

Chief Executive Robert Elstone revealed the news to a Shareholders Forum before the clash with Everton Chile on Wednesday.

And the Blues are confident that planning permission will be awarded for the new building, which will sit within the Goodison Park footprint. The project could be operational by summer 2011.

The planned building, on the current site of the Club Everton lounge at the Park End of the stadium, will house a retail store, museum, cafe, corporate hospitality lounge and office space.

The four-floor, self-funded £9m development will also free up space within Goodison, meaning that capacity for corporate hospitality inside the stadium itself can be expanded.

Mr Elstone also confirmed that the plans will not negatively affect the cash available to David Moyes as it will be taken from extended deals with catering partner Sodexo and retail partner Kitbag.

In fact, it is forecast that the development will boost revenues and improve Everton's bottom line profit. The Forum was also assured that the proposed development does not mean an end to the search for a site in the city for a new stadium.

Chairman Bill Kenwright told the Forum: "One of the prime focual points behind this new addition to Goodison was to say 'we're proud of Goodison and we want to show you how proud we are'. We want to give the fans something and I think it looks terrific.

"As long as we are here and has long as it doesn't put in jeopardy the finances for David Moyes we will do whatever we can with Goodison Park. Our partners have been phenomenal in helping us with this one, but it doesn't mean the search is not going on for a new stadium within the Liverpool city boundary!"

His sentiments were echoed by Chief Executive Robert Elstone: "This new scheme is totally self-funded by partners so there is no net cost to the Club. In fact, it is cash-positive from the start.

"Even if a new stadium scheme came to light very quickly it would take a number of years to realise. Our discussions with Liverpool City Council have genuinely been more positive but the crux of the matter is we need substantial enabling support and the council see that as being difficult and hard to deliver.

"If I'm managing expectations, in the current climate it is hard to foresee a new stadium in the short-term or medium-term but it doesn't mean we will not continue to pursue it vigorously and enthusiastically."

Fair do's. Additional jobs for the area and no cost to the club. Can't be bad.

I like the way they are trying to maintain the corrugated iron 'chic' of the stadium :)

It's going to cost £9 million mate.

Not costing the club though, according to the article.

How many years do forumers here reckon 'medium term' is?

10 years if you consider how long planning and finance raising takes for a stadium. That's a substantial building though, could Everton be looking at raising the value of the land by turning it's future use over to retail and commerce and be able to factor that in to a deal?

Be great if the stadium could be redeveloped there though, some of the greatest football grounds are just that because they are restricted for space so the architects have to get really inventive. San Mames is a classic.

Stick a hotel on the far corner of the car park, behind this thing and plonk another 6-8,000 on the Park End. That'll do medium-term. :cheers:

to Toadboy

yes San Mames, in Bilbao (basque country), is a classic British style stadium but it is currently at the end of it`s long and heroic lifetime. Right now they are building a new San Mames, costing over 200 mln euros, next door, over the wastelands left behind by the vacated Bilbao International Trade Fair showgrounds. By the way the whole plan didin`t take too much time to be agreed and decided and involved the city council, the Biscay county authority, the Basque government and the Athletic Club itself!!

I wouldn't read too much into the new development at the back of the Park End, particularly if it's not going to cost the club any money. It'll do the club some good in the medium term, 15 or so years, by which time a full rebuild or a relocation should be back on the agenda. Realistically, neither thing is going to happen until such time as Kenwright and his cronies sling their hook.

Most likely Ken Billwright will only leave Goodison in a box, rather than give up control. Until he is watching the Toffees from that Director's Box in the sky, expect neither a rebuilt Goodison, nor a move to pastures new.

to Toadboy

yes San Mames, in Bilbao (basque country), is a classic British style stadium but it is currently at the end of it`s long and heroic lifetime. Right now they are building a new San Mames, costing over 200 mln euros, next door, over the wastelands left behind by the vacated Bilbao International Trade Fair showgrounds. By the way the whole plan didin`t take too much time to be agreed and decided and involved the city council, the Biscay county authority, the Basque government and the Athletic Club itself!!

I hope they can recreate the intimate yet partisan atmosphere and character in the new place.

@baias, any pics, please?

That is not an insignificant investment at all that.

Coupled with a potential (isn't it ever?) LFC stadium and LCC telling HCA that this part of town is a priority for whatever HMRI funding is left, this part of the city could see a lot of work soon.

All good news. Apart for my excessive use of acronyms.

Stick a hotel on the far corner of the car park, behind this thing and plonk another 6-8,000 on the Park End. That'll do medium-term. :cheers:

This what they should do. They have 4 functions at a time going on there, sometimes weddings with lots going into town to stay the night. The novelty of staying at Everton too will be equivalent to the Hard days night hotel for some.

An underground car park under the new development to cater for the lost space and slope the back of the hotel to incorporate a 3rd tier of park end seating above 2 rows of exec boxes and the real reason for leaving (more seats and corporate suites) doesn't become such an issue anymore.

10 years if you consider how long planning and finance raising takes for a stadium. That's a substantial building though, could Everton be looking at raising the value of the land by turning it's future use over to retail and commerce and be able to factor that in to a deal?

The very first thing I thought when I saw the picture was that it would make for a decent sized Tesco.

It's known that they wanted to flog Goodison to Tesco.

Be great if the stadium could be redeveloped there though, some of the greatest football grounds are just that because they are restricted for space so the architects have to get really inventive. San Mames is a classic.

Unless something happens at the docks or possibly Edge Lane, I suspect that they will give in and eventually do this.

IMHO, that's your USP...

All good news. Apart for my excessive use of acronyms.

IMHO, that's your USP...

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@baias, any pics, please?

Try this one:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/sanmames.htm

http://www.formroomarchitects.com/

Formroom Architects are the guys behind this design. They are a Manchester based company with a record of developing on sensitive historic sites including in the WHS zone (78 Duke Street).

Everybody´s favourite troll has managed to get a link on Toffeeweb to one of his pages about new stadiums and rail development. Whilst some of the points raised are pertinent, the stuff on there is about as coherent as Kerry Katona on speed.

Everybody´s favourite troll has managed to get a link on Toffeeweb to one of his pages about new stadiums and rail development. Whilst some of the points raised are pertinent, the stuff on there is about as coherent as Kerry Katona on speed.

haha! He'll get destroyed on that forum.

Good news though it will keep him very busy and out of here.

Aye, saw that before. Crying shame you can't comment on the link.

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Tim Howard will sleep better tonight. :lol:

Everybody´s favourite troll has managed to get a link on Toffeeweb to one of his pages about new stadiums and rail development. Whilst some of the points raised are pertinent, the stuff on there is about as coherent as Kerry Katona on speed.

He (username Common Sense) has done the same to SOS1878 and killed the Stadium Talk forum stone dead apart from me and a couple of others arguing with him.

He has had little in the way of replies so much so that he is replying to himself now.

He is using the website uploaded by Watercity, I know its him as well but he flatly denies its him!!!!!!!

Apparently, he told me, he knows the Liverpool road and rail well! That well that his first post on SOS1878 he said the A57 is the continuation of the M57. I have asked for proof seeing as though he still maintains that as being a fact. I am still waiting however.

Everybody´s favourite troll has managed to get a link on Toffeeweb to one of his pages about new stadiums and rail development. Whilst some of the points raised are pertinent, the stuff on there is about as coherent as Kerry Katona on speed.

Is this what you are on about? It is on Everton and Liverpool forums. Sounds OK to me.

Everton-Liverpool and trains (http://tinyurl.com/26rfyy6)

Please unsubscribe me.

Arf, Milton Keynes Crank is back.

It's probably a great idea if someone had a couple of hundred million so it's just not viable and that's why it hasn't been done.

Wow this meltdown is spectacular, even by John's standards.

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/29886-Rapid-Transit-Rail-Guarantees-Success-for-EFC-LFC-and-Arena/page18

It seems to me that what many people see as a weakness - an old charasmatic stadium full of history is in fact everton's greatest asset. Slowly and surely grounds like goodison are disappearing and someday soon goodison park will be one of the reasons why players want to sign for everton. so i think this new development is great if it will allow a little modernisation of GP without any drastic changes. the best thing that could happen to everton is for liverpool to get a new stadium as it will fit in with their jump on the bandwagon mentality leaving everton and GP as the heatbeat of football in liverpool... Am i right?

It seems to me that what many people see as a weakness - an old charasmatic stadium full of history is in fact everton's greatest asset. Slowly and surely grounds like goodison are disappearing and someday soon goodison park will be one of the reasons why players want to sign for everton. so i think this new development is great if it will allow a little modernisation of GP without any drastic changes. the best thing that could happen to everton is for liverpool to get a new stadium as it will fit in with their jump on the bandwagon mentality leaving everton and GP as the heatbeat of football in liverpool... Am i right?

Yes you is. :cheers:

I believe you mistake football fans for footballers there.

Many football fans do indeed long for a pie, a sing song and a pint as part of their football day. Your more likely to get that at Goodison. Those halcyon days are long gone though. Stadiums like the Emirates are the future (like it or not). Players today do not relate to that bygone era. Most of them weren't even born when all stadia were like Goodison is now.

I believe you mistake football fans for footballers there.

Many football fans do indeed long for a pie, a sing song and a pint as part of their football day. Your more likely to get that at Goodison. Those halcyon days are long gone though. Stadiums like the Emirates are the future (like it or not). Players today do not relate to that bygone era. Most of them weren't even born when all stadia were like Goodison is now.

Not so sure about that. As the likes of Goodison ,great old historic stadiums become rarer the history and tradition will have a bigger attraction even for the players. Wembley was a dump before it was rebuilt but it was still the Stadium every player in the world wanted to play at. Landon Donovan, after returning to the US, made a statement to the media about his time at Everton..."People have been going there(goodison) for over a century"

Wow this meltdown is spectacular, even by John's standards.

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/29886-Rapid-Transit-Rail-Guarantees-Success-for-EFC-LFC-and-Arena/page18

I just read that and it clearly for all to see that you are one bluenose, bitter sad bastard.

Thank God I was never born a sad f-ucker that like you. I thought the scum were bad. With silly bitter f-uckers like you around Liverpool will remain the premier team on Merseyside for the next 100 years. Stay at Woodison Park, while our cathedral spouts up and dominates your matchbox ground.

Liverpool should buy Woodison Park and make it into a car park as we are not getting choo-choo station.

Woodison and history? My arse!

Neal Armstrong stepped on the Moon.
Mission control said, "what is it like up there?".
Neal said, "like Woodison Park, no atmosphere".

Yeah. Tell 'em John, you abnormal freak. The only person you're gonna convince is yourself.

I just read that and it clearly for all to see that you are one bluenose, bitter sad bastard.

Thank God I was never born a sad f-ucker that like you. I thought the scum were bad. With silly bitter f-uckers like you around Liverpool will remain the premier team on Merseyside for the next 100 years. Stay at Woodison Park, while our cathedral spouts up and dominates your matchbox ground.

Liverpool should buy Woodison Park and make it into a car park as we are not getting choo-choo station.

Woodison and history? My arse!

Neal Armstrong stepped on the Moon.
Mission control said, "what is it like up there?".
Neal said, "like Woodison Park, no atmosphere".

Oh, dear! What brought that on? Woodison and history? My arse! Goodison Park has got history written into its very fabric. Any knowledgeable footballer supporter in the land knows that. I suspect even the most rabid Kopite would have to acknowledge that it is an historic stadium. You sound a bit bitter yourself, by the way.

I hope the bitters move. Liverpool need a car park because we haven't got a station. Because the council will not give us one. Woodison can be made into a multi-storey car park over a Tesco making loads of cash for Liverpool AFC. Who cares about Everton history. There isn't much of it anyway. We need a big car park. The bitters must go to Kirkby or Speke or Croxteth. Who cares where they go, they have to get now.

^Unfortunately there's more chance of Liverpool going into administration in the next year or so, than starting any real work on New Anfield.

"we're proud of Goodison and we want to show you how proud we are" - Bill Kenwright.

I like this statement and hopefully money will now be spent ensuring that GP is an historic old ground with modern facilities. I was in favour of Kirkby at the start but i'm so pleased it fell through - people have mentioned the emirates as a bench mark but this is right next to where the old ground used to be; not an option for everton. What exactly is it about the emirates that makes it so great, so that fans and players alike think it is amazing. i am happy to change my opinion if you can persuade me otherwise?

Lots and lots of corporate income. That's it.

That's all that the stadium needs to provide these days. Today's twelfth man is usually a hedge fund manager eating his third course in the stadium executive lounge. It will never be anything other than this in future for the top teams.

Arsenal were lucky in finding a location right where they wanted it - i wonder how much arsenal fans would love it if it was somewhere else - i take your point about the corporate side of things - sad really that this is the reality now - just think there are enough people out there footballers included who value tradition, heritage and soul over money

Goodison was built to make money, not to be a quaint twee visitor attraction. British stadiums were out of date for 50 years and they're still pretty shite.

Why is patronising, faint praise from outsiders so fukn important to some Evertonians?

^^^^WTF are you mumbling on about again:lol: Money,money money:lol: that's what everything boils down to you isn't it, groundshare anyone? :lol: Don't tell me anything about Goodison ok. A redeveloped Goodison is the thread, haven't you noticed? :cheers:

Goodison was built to make money, not to be a quaint twee visitor attraction. British stadiums were out of date for 50 years and they're still pretty shite.

Why is patronising, faint praise from outsiders so fukn important to some Evertonians?

I think you're a bit confused. I'll try and clarify the situation for you. A re-developed Goodison Park would include two new stands at the Park End(or an extension) and Goodison Rd. The Gwladys st and Bullens rd would be refurbished and extended. Capacity 55-60.000. Hardly a 'twee' museum/attraction.

Your the one who's usually confused, not quite in evertonians league yet but your getting there. The cost of your "proposal" would be prohibitive, i.e. not possible.

What is it with Evertonians and sentiment driven delusions?

Maybe if the labour party gets back in your mates from manc will help you out.
Especially if degsy's PM.

Who owns the land around Goodison?

Has anyone got any maps with tags on who owns which bit?

^^^^WTF are you mumbling on about again:lol: Money,money money:lol: that's what everything boils down to you isn't it, groundshare anyone? :lol: Don't tell me anything about Goodison ok. A redeveloped Goodison is the thread, haven't you noticed? :cheers:

What's all this about? I've never mentioned groundshares or gone on about money.

Oh I get it, you think I'm someone I'm not.

Your the one who's usually confused, not quite in evertonians league yet but your getting there. The cost of your "proposal" would be prohibitive, i.e. not possible.

What is it with Evertonians and sentiment driven delusions?

Maybe if the labour party gets back in your mates from manc will help you out.
Especially if degsy's PM.

:lol: Like i said.... $$$$$$$ ,nothing everything can be bought and sold. Any re-development hasn't been poroperly costed because the club are looking for the cheap option.

What's all this about? I've never mentioned groundshares or gone on about money.

Oh I get it, you think I'm someone I'm not.

:lol:stop acting the c...t, where's your mate by the way poolroom.:lol:

Your the one who's usually confused, not quite in evertonians league yet but your getting there. The cost of your "proposal" would be prohibitive, i.e. not possible.

What is it with Evertonians and sentiment driven delusions?

Maybe if the labour party gets back in your mates from manc will help you out.
Especially if degsy's PM.

:lol:Aren't you the one who thought Thatcher was a leftie:lol:

Your the one who's usually confused, not quite in evertonians league yet but your getting there. The cost of your "proposal" would be prohibitive, i.e. not possible.

What is it with Evertonians and sentiment driven delusions?

Maybe if the labour party gets back in your mates from manc will help you out.
Especially if degsy's PM.

And don't you worry about Everton. I'd be more concerned about your own club, brought to it's knees by your beloved Free Market and its speculators and parasites.

Who owns the land around Goodison?

Has anyone got any maps with tags on who owns which bit?

The school obviously belongs to Liverpool City Council. I have heard it said, don't know how true this is, that EFC own some but not all of the houses. There is also a garage/scrap yard which I assume is owned privately.

There are about 90 odd terraced houses behind the Bullens Road stand as far as the dual carriageway by the cemetery. If that land could be purchased and the people rehoused, then a huge triple decker with the best of facilities could be built, horse shoe shaped, without touching the rest of the ground. Once complete, the Bullens Road could be demolished and the pitch shunted over toward the new Bullens Road stand. There would be some view 'orrible views from the rest of the ground for the few years it would take to rebuild on the other 3 sides.

There is no reason why, with good housekeeping, the club couldn't do this without resorting to moving out of town and getting into bed with a supermarket or the like.

And don't you worry about Everton. I'd be more concerned about your own club, brought to it's knees by your beloved Free Market and its speculators and parasites.

Liverpool are being milked by speculators and parasites not the free market. The free market works when speculators and parasites are banned from it. Many big money people are lining up to buy Liverpool and even governments want the magnificent LFC. No one wants the bitters. Everton need to move. We need a car park. Can a railway track be run into the site from Walton Lane bridge so we can have a big f**k off station there?

Liverpool are being milked by speculators and parasites not the free market. The free market works when speculators and parasites are banned from it. Many big money people are lining up to buy Liverpool and even governments want the magnificent LFC. No one wants the bitters. Everton need to move. We need a car park. Can a railway track be run into the site from Walton Lane bridge so we can have a big f**k off station there?

Err...i think you'll find it was the unfettered lending and the subsequent collapse is at the root of it.

then a huge triple decker with the best of facilities could be built, horse shoe shaped, without touching the rest of the ground. Once complete, the Bullens Road could be demolished and the pitch shunted over toward the new Bullens Road stand. There would be some view 'orrible views from the rest of the ground for the few years it would take to rebuild on the other 3 sides.


And we will look down the hill from our cathedral onto the tiny, poky, Ewood park look-a-like. :) The best thing is for Everton to move as we need a park park. The council should drive them out.

Err...i think you'll find it was the unfettered lending and the subsequent collapse is at the root of it.

They were lending to speculators. Stop the speculators speculating on things which can distort the free-market and you solve it.

They were lending to speculators. Stop the speculators speculating on things which can distort the free-market and you solve it.

What? poor blacks in need of housing in the US? anyway fuck off you crank.

What? poor blacks in need of housing in the US? anyway fuck off you crank.

I dont see what poor blacks in the USA has to do with this. We should crank the railways track into the Woodison Park site for a station and car park for our cathedral

The reason the council didn't tear down all the terraced houses around Woodison Park was to force them out. You know, don't give them any space to expand. They see fit to rip down the Welsh streets,which are far better, while leaving those old houses. Everton are so daft they can't take a hint. They can't even plan a stadium properly the government throws out any plans.

Actually, the Welsh streets houses didn't have any foundations and were well on their way to falling down of their own accord. Just because a house looks well maintained doesn't mean it's a sustainable building.

As to your theory regarding forcing Everton out. Nice one. Made me chuckle.

What are the height restrictions around Goodison?

What was the cost of the last 3-tier stand with all the best facilities, built in this country?

By the time it was built it would probably cost at least four times the price quoted.

:lol:stop acting the c...t, where's your mate by the way poolroom.:lol:

Who? Bill Kenwright?

What are the height restrictions around Goodison?

What was the cost of the last 3-tier stand with all the best facilities, built in this country?

By the time it was built it would probably cost at least four times the price quoted.

All new stadiums are built having the pitch and 1st tier below the ground level to avoid them being so tall. The council will not allow very tall stands. EFC should piss off and sell the land to Liverpool who need a station and multi-storey car park. Just the job down there.

Everton said that Kirkby was half the price as rebuilding Woodison Park.

Who? Bill Kenwright?

His name is Bill Kenwrong.

His name is Bill Kenwrong.

For once, we agree.

His name is Bill Kenwrong.I have been asked to point out that he, Bill Kenwright, is British/English/Scouse born and only has "the best interest of the Everton franchise at heart."

My take....I don't know what has gone wrong with Mssr's Hicks and Gillet and the Liverpool soccer club but surely the fans must have known that the pair had no interest in that sport and their involvement was purely for commercial purposes. They don't even call it football for Christ sake!

Who cares about Everton history. There isn't much of it anyway.

John's finest moment ont his site.

AMAZING!

:lol:

Lots and lots of corporate income. That's it.

That's all that the stadium needs to provide these days. Today's twelfth man is usually a hedge fund manager eating his third course in the stadium executive lounge. It will never be anything other than this in future for the top teams.

For a number of reasons, some ecconomic, some political (from UEFA) the English football bubble is about to burst and the prawn sandwich brigade will do one when there's no glamour in the game.

Places like Goodison will always remain valid and it could even proove to be the best thing Everton ever did IF investment is put in now. With the sprucing up of the place currently taking shape and the new plans for the retail/office block (which I am told will free some space for possible expansion and new corporate fascilities) I am confident that Bill Kenwright has learnt his lesson.

Don't get me wrong, my prefered option is for a new build stadium at a suitable world class site. That in my mind is only available at the docks and so until Peel change their masterplan to include a stadium (something I am sure will happen eventually) I am more than happy to remain at Goodison.

Your the one who's usually confused, not quite in evertonians league yet but your getting there. The cost of your "proposal" would be prohibitive, i.e. not possible.

A bit like Stanley park?

What is it with Evertonians and sentiment driven delusions?
.

You advocate a groundshare at Stanley Park then?

Bellend!

Fuck me.The bitters are saying Woodison Park is something special and that the PL is about collapse and we should be grateful to Woodison, which has far less history than Anfield which is older.

The bitters should move out of Woodison now. The reds need a car park!!!

Jesus Wept.

Why would the Reds need a car park John, if rapid transit rail was the way forward?

Actually, don't bother responding. Just eat shit and die.

A bit like Stanley park?
hicks and gillet had the right idea. Buy the club(should be with ones own money), build the stadium, sell for over a billion. Simple.

This is all DIC were gonna do. Moores didn't like the idea of it!


You advocate a groundshare at Stanley Park then?

Bellend!

No. Everton should just get hold of some money. idiot.

Could someone suggest some ideas on how Everton can raise this money?

Put Kenwright in stocks and charge people a quid a slap?

:lol:Sorted then.

Probably have enough left over to buy the Redshite a ground, too..

Fuck me.The bitters are saying Woodison Park is something special and that the PL is about collapse and we should be grateful to Woodison, which has far less history than Anfield which is older.

The bitters should move out of Woodison now. The reds need a car park!!!

For the majority of Goodison Park's History it was easily the finest stadium in Britain (yes footy started a long time before shanks). Our old starter home, the tin mine has never been this, and still isn't. For instance, the dodgy builders who built their first double-decker stand (a poxy effort and almost 100yrs after we built ours) had to fix it shortly after it opened when Celtic fans broke it.... and Overall Anfield's history is one of a third rate stadium before the 70's, and nothing of innovation since. Goodison Park, warts and all has more character and history in one of its Archie Leitch stands than Anfield has in its entirety.

Anfield has far more history than Woodison Park and is older. The reds are moving because we are a progressive club. The bitters think that Woodison Park is special and want to stay in this glorious past that is only in their minds and only they recognise. A pity no one else does.

The deluded bitters must move, and the sooner the better as Liverpool need a multi-storey car park. If they stay they deprive a top club of car parking. Not having proper car parking is a bad advertisement for the city because of the the many foreign visitors Liverpool FC attract playing in top competitions. The bitters staying at Woodison Park will cement the fact that Liverpool are and will always be Merseyside's top club. The bitters can look forward to winning the odd derby game and do a lap of honour when winning.

What a crap club. As long as I can remember they have been moving and are still in wooden stands. They haven't even got a decent site to move to after all this time. The bitters can move to a new ground made of wood then they will be happy. That is the secret. Liverpool FC can give them an IKEA flat pack ground for nothing, then they will get out. They will be as happy a pig in shit.

How're the Dons doing, John?

How many foreign visitors are going to drive to Anfield?

Does Billy Liddell still play for Everton? :?

How're the Dons doing, John?

How many foreign visitors are going to drive to Anfield?

Does Billy Liddell still play for Everton? :?

:) :) :)

John I don't like this true kopite lark,I much preferred you as an Evertonian.

Her wants rapid rail from JLA to get the norwegians directly to the new 80,000 seat New Anfield (the stadium with a 12 line super rail station built underneath).







*only messing reds!

John or not - why is anybody engaging in discussions with this prick?

How're the Dons doing, John?

How many foreign visitors are going to drive to Anfield?

Does Billy Liddell still play for Everton? :?

Fuck me! There are some weirdo bitters in here.

John I don't like this true kopite lark,I much preferred you as an Evertonian.

You want some John to be an Evertonian? Honest Johns are never one of the bitters.

Her wants rapid rail from JLA to get the norwegians directly to the new 80,000 seat New Anfield (the stadium with a 12 line super rail station built underneath).


Fuck me a bitter has some sense. Liverpool FC need the transport for the capacity of the massive fanbase. The bitters can use old corpy buses to get to the games to play Swindon.

When are you fucking off from Woodison?

John or not - why is anybody engaging in discussions with this prick?

This softshite must be a Manc.

New render and planning application submitted. Looks like the footprint of the building has decreased and the quality of the cladding has improved.

http://www.evertonfc.com/assets/_files/cached/img/494x270/sep_10/efc__1285162151_NewDev.jpg

Everton have submitted plans for a state-of-the-art £9m retail, leisure and business development at Goodison Park.

The self-funded development will sit within the Goodison Park footprint at the Park End of the stadium. The plans that have been submitted include capacity for 420 guests in a new hospitality area, office space for all of the Club's administrative staff, a visitor attraction, cafe and a new retail space.

If plans are approved, the project should be completed and the building operational by the start of the 2011/12 season.

The four-floor development will also free up space within Goodison, meaning that capacity for corporate hospitality inside the stadium itself can be expanded.

The original visual for the development, which has now been enhanced and modified (pictured above), was presented to supporters at Shareholders Forum last month.

Chief Executive Robert Elstone told that Forum: "This new scheme is totally self-funded by partners so there is no net cost to the Club. In fact, it is cash-positive from the start."

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Looks alot better from the first render, still think iit will look completely out of place and that any retail development there should only come with a redeveloped Park Stand as well.

Never ever trust night-time renders. The less confident architects are, the later in the day the picture.

It looks ok, o more than that. If you want an idea of what the cladding will be like, look at the grey strips on the park side main block in Liverpool One. I'm sure this has the same matt/silver grey striped cladding.

I like it. Now to demolish the wooden stands and build a multi-storey car park for the Mighty Reds.

Piss off John. You're fucking boring.

Piss off John. You're fucking boring.

I really had to hold back & delete a post yesterday ...

I wonder how old he is? Never married, no mates, everyone despises him at work, so we're left to endure his endless ramblings :bash:

Bet he has the cleanest windows in Milton Keynes though...

Bet he has the cleanest windows in Milton Keynes though...

Very good Scarecrow!! :lol:

I agree with Luke Mc. It's costing EFC nothing so why not incorporate a taller park end stand into the back of and above this to include more exec boxes.

I agree with Luke Mc. It's costing EFC nothing so why not incorporate a taller park end stand into the back of and above this to include more exec boxes.

I can't understand this myself. Why not take the 9 million and spend it on a new stand with all this built in as you say?

Piss off John. You're fucking boring.

Knobhead bitter!

Who is this John you are all on about? Is this new biitter name for dynamic Kopites?

I agree with Luke Mc. It's costing EFC nothing so why not incorporate a taller park end stand into the back of and above this to include more exec boxes.

Will this tiny extension be made of wood?

I can't understand this myself. Why not take the 9 million and spend it on a new stand with all this built in as you say?

Why would you want to build a tiny stand and leave all the rest of the wooden dump still holding people? I see the bitters put the away fans in the fire hazzard wooden bit.

Who is this John you are all on about?

He's a tedious old cunt from Milton Keynes with no mates, probably still a virgin, whose sole purpose in life is to piss people of with his autistic rambling shite.

You'd probably get on like a house on fire. :)

He's a tedious old cunt from Milton Keynes with no mates, probably still a virgin, whose sole purpose in life is to piss people of with his autistic rambling shite.

You'd probably get on like a house on fire. :)

He's the white fella sat in the corner crying while wanking on 'blacksingrannies.com' as his wife gets smashed all over the shop.

Hence the fetish for dark, dingy, old tunnels being used.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/tonka_eng/1.1267184517.contemplative-man-on-aleppo-train.jpg

He's a tedious old cunt from Milton Keynes with no mates, probably still a virgin, whose sole purpose in life is to piss people of with his autistic rambling shite.

You'd probably get on like a house on fire. :)

I do not get on with houses especially those on fire. Is it a wooden house in a wooden ground?

You must a be a scum fan.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/tonka_eng/1.1267184517.contemplative-man-on-aleppo-train.jpg

You are an ugly bastard aren't you.

I like it. Now to demolish the wooden stands and build a multi-storey car park for the Mighty Reds.

Cobblers! http://www.cobblers-shop.co.uk

I see another Pakistani cricketer got arrested today, apparently he put alot of cash on Liverpool winning their next match.

Two things.

Only an idiot believes that this dickhead is a Liverpool fan.

Second, given Everton's start to the season I wouldn't bee making smart arse jokes.

Two things.

Only an idiot believes that this dickhead is a Liverpool fan.

Second, given Everton's start to the season I wouldn't bee making smart arse jokes.

Ok! OK! he also put money on Everton winning their next match. Jeez!

More the cobblers bit that was petty. The betting bit didn't bother me.

http://www.formroomarchitects.com/

Formroom Architects are the guys behind this design. They are a Manchester based company with a record of developing on sensitive historic sites including in the WHS zone (78 Duke Street).

Putting Mr Burns to one side, are the architects still Formroom?

You are an ugly bastard aren't you.



I'm handsome and young. Don't hate the player....

Why keep feeding the troll?

Because this forum descended into farce a LONG time ago and I might as well enjoy myself.

Two options.

1. Don't come on here.
2. If you are coerced / blackmailed / forced at gunpoint to contribute, don't exacerbate the farce that you perceive by behaving like your nemesis.

Although I suspect that you will choose to ignore my suggestions because you actually want to behave like a 10 year old and ruin it with your tantrums and negativity.

Because this forum descended into farce a LONG time ago and I might as well enjoy myself.

You've been one of the problems on here for a long time imo.

You might think it's a farce, myself & others still come here for updates on development, to read or partake in debates etc

I don't come here to read you have petty kids slanging matches with John or go on mad rants about scousers, tunnels & stadiums. If you don't like it here then find something better to do with your time. That will do everyone involved a favour.

1. Don't come on here.

OK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUWgE0EVQ9c&feature=related

I'm handsome and young. Don't hate the player....

You are an ugly bluenose bastard.

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Piss off from GP. Build a Pride Park in Birkenhead. The bitters are an embarrassment to the city with a wooden ground. Go now, Go away. Go to the Championship where you will end up.

Have the plans for the new development on the corner of Spellow and Walton Lane appeared in the Planning Explorer yet? I can never find my way around that thing!

^^

The application appeared today.

From the Planning Explorer -

Application Number - 10F/2196
Site Address - Everton Football Club Co Ltd Goodison Road Liverpool L4 4EL
Proposal - To erect 4 storey building comprising ground floor retail/merchandising/ticketing first floor cafe, conferencing and football museum and floor offices third floor hospitality. together with associated external works
Applicant - Everton Football Company Ltd

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Everton


Piss off from GP. Build a Pride Park in Birkenhead. The bitters are an embarrassment to the city with a wooden ground. Go now, Go away. Go to the Championship where you will end up.


Shall we put the current table up then or is that Blackpool rock you're chewing choking you?

Why do people continue to engage in conversations with this prick who purports to be a red having previously been a blue who watched Billy Liddell? The truth is he supports neither and is an out of town shit stirrer who despises football supporters. Ignore him.

Having said that, I'm surprised it took you almost 24 hours before you came out of the woodwork.

This madman is defiantly a Scum!

Please unsubscribe me.

your wish has been granted

About bloody time Chris! :cheers:

I'm missing TotalGobshite already. :cry:

...you guys need to let me know whats happening if there's trouble... I can't read every post every day, it's not fair to think anyone could. Just a pm with a link and some context. Anyway, it's sorted.

I'm missing TotalGobshite already. :cry:

Dont fret he will be back soon.

This madman is defiantly a Scum!

And still you look down on the teenage dad
On his estate
He's happy so leave him alone
With his baby
And his modest home
He's happy so leave him alone
With his Jensen Interceptor
It's just a runaround

You become your parents' parent
And you love them
But you can't help feeling used
And you hate the teenage dad on his estate
Because he's poor but he's happier than you
They're all laughing at you




KEIOC are saying on their website that they have been in regular contact with the top brass at Peel and have been advised by a Peel director that while Liverpool Waters is still out of bounds, a site adjacent to LW, but linked to it, is being considered for a new stadium.

This (and I would LOVE to see John's face when he hears of this) is rumoured to be on Huskisson Dock.

The rumour is that Peel will build the stadium and lease it to Everton F.C over a long term fixed period; it will also be used to for concerts and such to provide competition to the Liverpool Echo Arena. The stadium/arena will be closely connected to the Liverpool Waters scheme.

The only sticking point seems to be the traffic issue. Local businesses are apparently being told to find new locations (by the council).




The dock contains 2 Branch Docks (No. 1 and No.3, No.2 previously being filled in. Yes that's right, the possibility of another arena on an infilled dock! ARF!!!!)....

http://www.bing.com/maps/?&mm_src=maps&mm_flight=3|0009&FORM=MMREDIR&mapType=aerial&zoom=17&countryCode=GB&lat=53.4318373275987&lon=-3.00236895750106#

Isn't Huskisson still a working dock? Seems to be a few ships in when I drive by.

I'd like a stadium near the Tate silo, and have that converted into a convention centre/exhibition space, or something. Or better still, on the cleared land on Hawthorne/Linacre in Bootle so I can walk to the match. Might put an offer in on the Corrie while I'm at it...

Isn't Huskisson still a working dock? Seems to be a few ships in when I drive by.

I'd like a stadium near the Tate silo, and have that converted into a convention centre/exhibition space, or something. Or better still, on the cleared land on Hawthorne/Linacre in Bootle so I can walk to the match. Might put an offer in on the Corrie while I'm at it...

A good question. I have no idea.

Perhaps the stadium will not be within the actual dock complex but on land around it or possibly to the right of it Derby Rd way???

As I say and STRESS, this is just a rumour (although the bit about Peel directors discussing a stadium with KEIOC is very much fact).

Peel also own a field NE of Netherton, off Switch Island, by the ASDA, so if you can, burn the location out of them with a box of Swans. I don't want my pre-match pint at the Bakers Dozen FFS!!

The only sticking point seems to be the traffic issue. Local businesses are apparently being told to find new locations (by the council).

Why, haven't they got room for 16 high capacity platforms on the Northern Line?

:lol:

Peel also own a field NE of Netherton, off Switch Island, by the ASDA, so if you can, burn the location out of them with a box of Swans. I don't want my pre-match pint at the Bakers Dozen FFS!!

Seem to recall that site being mooted on the front of the Echo yeeeaaars back, before the Kirkby fiasco kicked off.

Unless I dreamt it.

Why, haven't they got room for 16 high capacity platforms on the Northern Line?

:lol::lol::lol:

Nope. Same one. Dismissed out of hand, apparently..\

As was the docks.

I took a walk down there a few weeks back. It would be an excellent site as it is less than five minute's walk from Sandhills station.

I don't really get the bit about traffic problems, what traffic is there down there on a Saturday afternoon or a week day night? It's not as if matches are played on a weekday morning when Derby Road is bumper to bumper.

Parking wouldn't be a problem either; in that respect it would be similar to Old Trafford or Wembley, given the number of business that would earn a few shilling by renting out their spaces to fans who didn't want to park on the street.

Another excellent site around there would be the William Collins playing fields on Stanley Road/Lambeth Road.

That Lambeth rd site it too small. Someone superimposed a stadium image over it a while back, cramped.

That Lambeth rd site it too small. Someone superimposed a stadium image over it a while back, cramped.

Sorry, but I don't agree with you there GV. Are you sure you're not getting confused with the loop site? Take a look at it on the Bing map above. The site as it is is more than big enough now. If you look at the whole block comprising of Stanley Rd, Gt Mersey St, Commercial Rd and Stanley Rd, it is enormous. Go an inch or 2 north east and see how small GP is in comparison.

Chris superimposed a stadium (not sure which one) and it, somewhat surprisingly, did not fit without some demolition of houses in the Latham Street / Heriot Street area.

That site is around 15 acres.

Here's Chris' original post using FC Koln's ground - one with the sort of capacity EFC might be aspiring to.

Right, the following images are taken from Google Earth, and show FC Koln's stadium, the RheinEnergieStadion, overlaid onto the site in question. Both the stadium image, and the site image were taken with Google Earth set to the same altitude (780m if you're interested), in order to preserve the scale of both images.

As you can see, the stadium can fit onto the site, but only if the properties along Lathom Street, Lemon Street, and Heriot Street (located to the top left corner of the site as seen below) are demolished. Obviously I've only shown a (roughly) vertical and horizontal orientation, and you could rotate the stadium through any number of degrees. Having done this however, it is impossible to get the stadium on the site, without demolishing at least some of the properties on the above streets, even if the stadium is orientated as far away from them as possible. Similarly, the other day, I tried the same thing with the COMS (which I didn't save an image of unfortunately), but the outcome was the same. Those streets would have to go.

Horizontal Orientation -
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/chrisbatesuk/everton-1.jpg

(Roughly) Vertical Orientation -
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/chrisbatesuk/everton-2.jpg

And one using Goodison with one or two caveats

^^

Good points. Another consideration is that until recently, the size of a football pitch has been somewhat fluid, operating between a minimum and maximum size, rather than a definitive size. Although a smaller consideration, it could still make a difference.

Right, here's Goodison on the same site. Please excuse the fact I have included the church, and part of Goodison Road. Unfortunately Goodison Park isn't exactly a perfect rectangle, and as the image is merely indicative of size anyway, the exact shape doesn't matter. As you can see, Goodison fits easily onto the site -

(Roughly) Horizontal orientation -
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/chrisbatesuk/everton-4.jpg

Vertical orientation -
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/chrisbatesuk/everton-3.jpg

If Efc's aspiration ends at a ground the size of fc Colognes stadium, they may as well pack in now.

50000+ is both realistic and aspirational for EFC which represents a 10000 increase and a move to a modern stadium. It was also only used as a guide to what might and might not fit on the site.

Not sure what your point is other than to shit stir.

^^

Even if those flats and houses had to go, you would be talking about very few properties compared to what you would need to demolish at the back of the Bullens Road to increase the footprint. I went past the site this afternoon, and at the risk of sounding pig headed, I still say there is ample room to built there; take a look in an A to Z and compare it to the site Goodison occupies now. It is twice the size and far more regular in shape too.

Would Efc be allowed a long term plan? You know the way the council like to have everything all done up complete so they can show off and take some credit. They dont seem to want or understand anything that will takes years, decades even.

Oh, and Joe, I know you see yourself as the sheriff of this forum, cleaning it up and sorting people out, but you're just coming across as paranoid.

Just keep to your vendetta/obsession with John MK will yer.

^^:lol::nuts:

And now he's gone my work here is complete. :cheers:

If Efc's aspiration ends at a ground the size of fc Colognes stadium, they may as well pack in now.

Koln's ground is a traditional 4 stand football stadium that holds 51,000 seats. The Destination Kirkby stadium was based largely on the Koln model. With the corners eventually filled in the capacity was expected to be 60,000 at a later date.

There is nothing wrong, per se, with the stadium Everton proposed for Kirkby, it was just in the wrong place and the materials that were to be used and the internal fit out was described at enquiry as "mid-range".

Take that basic design (which would break the mold of the generic soulless bowl like stadiums we've had in this country over the last 10 years) but build it to a higher spec, to at least compete with the top clubs fascilities and people will be very happy.

^^

Even if those flats and houses had to go, you would be talking about very few properties compared to what you would need to demolish at the back of the Bullens Road to increase the footprint. I went past the site this afternoon, and at the risk of sounding pig headed, I still say there is ample room to built there; take a look in an A to Z and compare it to the site Goodison occupies now. It is twice the size and far more regular in shape too.

The problem is that Everton currently require enabling money from a retail partner (assuming a very rich person doesn't buy Everton).

That space in my opinion is only available at the docks (which is why Liverpool City Council has held 2 meetings with Peel over what they can offer, to my knowledge).

According to KEIOC Peel are looking into a site near Liverpool Waters and it's a case of letting them get on with seeing if it's feasible.

Would Efc be allowed a long term plan? You know the way the council like to have everything all done up complete so they can show off and take some credit. They dont seem to want or understand anything that will takes years, decades even.

The council have given Liverpool FC almost a decade to sort out Stanley Park.

(quite right that they should)

Koln's ground is a traditional 4 stand football stadium that holds 51,000 seats. The Destination Kirkby stadium was based largely on the Koln model. With the corners eventually filled in the capacity was expected to be 60,000 at a later date.

There is nothing wrong, per se, with the stadium Everton proposed for Kirkby, it was just in the wrong place and the materials that were to be used and the internal fit out was described at enquiry as "mid-range".

Take that basic design (which would break the mold of the generic soulless bowl like stadiums we've had in this country over the last 10 years) but build it to a higher spec, to at least compete with the top clubs fascilities and people will be very happy.

It wasn't.

They claimed that in the build up to it all but it ended up being nothing like it in reality.

I think you need to go back and look at the drawings submitted in the planning application and realise there were MAJOR problems with it. It was as generic and soulless as it gets and the acoustics would have been terrible (unlike Koln).

It was not designed with any real thought for the matchday experience whatsoever. It's easy for the club to throw out soundbites saying otherwise though. :ohno:

The mixed use development proposed for the Park End Stand car park is being recommended for approval at next week's Planning committee meeting.

I see they got the old Bellefield site passed for 74 top range houses at last.

74 houses, mentioned in the press as being priced between 350k and 500k.
Surely that works out at a lot more value than the 8 million quoted in the media, even after all the construction costs are taken into account?

It might pay Mikel's wages for a year or two!

74 houses, mentioned in the press as being priced between 350k and 500k.
Surely that works out at a lot more value than the 8 million quoted in the media, even after all the construction costs are taken into account?

It might pay Mikel's wages for a year or two!

Knowing EFC they will have sold the development for £8m to one of the big house builders who will then make their own profit on the site.

Rather than retaining ownership, sub-contracting the design & build and pocketing the whole lot.

Kenwrightonomics :)

From Place North West -

Goodison development given go-ahead

16 Nov 2010, 14:13

Liverpool City Council has granted planning permission for a £9m mixed-use development at Everton FC's Goodison Park stadium.

The project was designed by Formroom Architects, based in Manchester, and will house a shop, museum, cafe, office and matchday hospitality suites over four floors.

Work will start on site before the end of the year, with completion due towards the start of the 2011/12 season.

Article continues here - http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/7658-goodison-development-given-go-ahead.html

One of the reasons given for this being favourable to the club is that by moving admin to the new building it will free up space within the stadium to add more corporate fascilities and make a bigger income.

Will be interesting to see how that pans out and if any further development of Goodison will take place, particularly given that they expect to rake in millions from selling Bellefield off now.

I would rather they spent that money on improving the stadium than giving it to Davey to be honest.

Would it be possible to stick another teir on the Park End and/or fill in the corner of the Park End connecting to the Bullens???

I think they got £8m for Bellefield, though I could be wrong.

They have to sell the properties before they get any money.

So no money then. Maybe on the upturn.

KEIOC on the new Goodison Park End development.

KEIOC clearly welcome this more sensible and realistic approach, but, like many Evertonians, we remain to be convinced over the description of the financing of the new project; statements like "totally self-funded by partners so there is no net cost to the club" are little better than the never to be forgotten "effectively free". There's simply nothing that is free in the commercial world and Everton shareholders and fans are yet to hear what devil is to be found in the detail. What Evertonians really need is an innovative business plan that will deliver the funding that the team and the manager so visibly require and so visibly does not get delivered.

Many Evertonians also view this as a missed opportunity and we join them in calling for the Evertonian members of the board to deliver a rights issue to finance the complete redevelopment of the Park End as an initial phase of the redevelopment of one of English footballs great stadiums.

Yes it will devalue their current shareholding, we completely understand this; but after failing to firstly deliver the Kings Dock development and secondly having the sheer effrontery in attempting to force Kirkby upon the Evertonian public and then remain in their positions on the board, its the very least they can do in an attempt to make amends.

That development has hit the buffers apparently.

There's some talk that they have postponed it whilst initial takeover talks continue. Nothing firm just yet, but someone's sniffing around.

Either that, or the club don't own the freehold on the land on which they're wanting to build. Being Everton, I'll let you figure out what scenario is more likely.