there is only one religion OZSCRAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flame bait :runaway:

I dont know what the problem is. Those threads have been basically flame free and quite maturely discussed. That's gotta be a first LOL.

hmmmmm

I dont know what the problem is. Those threads have been basically flame free and quite maturely discussed. That's gotta be a first LOL.
Are you kidding me?!?!?! That f***ing Jedi thread isn't getting out of hand.

;)

They're quite entertaining esp. reading the posts by forumers who sanctify themselves continually yet over the months we see their way of thinking is quite evil (in other socio-poitical threads)....they think of themselves quite differently, "outing" themselves sooner or later (usually sooner) if you pay enough attention.

I must say that particular forumer/s is/are going to get a rude shock when they head in the other direction to the one they think they're heading to, if you believe in that kind of "after life".

Let the threads continue to grow.

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if any go awry there will be hell to pay! lol
things are going ok. as soon as it doesnt the threads will be terminated!
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let them blabber on... aust is a mult-cultral nation, and we have to adopt to it. BUT JEDIISM WTF?

They're quite entertaining esp. reading the posts by forumers who sanctify themselves continually yet over the months we see their way of thinking is quite evil (in other socio-poitical threads)....they think of themselves quite differently, "outing" themselves sooner or later (usually sooner) if you pay enough attention.

I must say that particular forumer/s is/are going to get a rude shock when they head in the other direction to the one they think they're heading to, if you believe in that kind of "after life".

Let the threads continue to grow.

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I must confess I don't know what the hell you're talking about, Muse.

Good! Keep it that way and everything is hunky-dory.

lol @ "hell" - apt word ;)

At ease. As you were.

Good! Keep it that way then and everything is hunky-dory.

lol @ "hell" - apt word ;)


Then we understand each other. I think. :sly: :)

No need to feel suspicious re sly emoticon. I don't.

No need to feel suspicious re sly emoticon. I don't.

Poor choice of emoticons on my part. I really *do* think I understand what you're saying. :)

Huh???

Is This Some Religious Thing

No, just warmed-over post-mo gobbledy-gook. You know, intolerance on the part of those who charge intolerance. that sort of thing.

I must confess I don't know what the hell you're talking about, Muse.
Anyone with half a brain that hasnt deen indocrinated by some or other religion would know exactly what muse is talking about -and he is spot on.

Anyone with half a brain that hasnt deen indocrinated by some or other religion would know exactly what muse is talking about -and he is spot on.

You mean understand the presuppositions into which muse and yourself have been indoctrinated ? :)

Hang on. This goes by the suppostion (assumption) that I am not a believer, that I am neither a spritual and/or religious person - something which I find extremely personal.

Please don't speak for me.

I wasn't going to reiterate, but I feel I have to.

Basically I (me, myself) have made an observation which I find of a heinous nature that barneybuck may have also picked up on by his own accord. Dale, you seem to be questioning the integrity of what I said. Up to you.

...but the person/people I am talking of would either have no conscience, therefore never soul search and either be totally oblivious or would have a few self-doubts....(surely). Up to them.

...

If people want to discuss religion , then , they should be able to in a thread. If not , then , dont enter the threrad ! Simple as that !

cheers

Lozza :lock:

Hang on. This goes by the suppostion (assumption) that I am not a believer, that I am neither a spritual and/or religious person - something which I find extremely personal.

Please don't speak for me.

I wasn't going to reiterate, but I feel I have to.

Basically I (me, myself) have made an observation which I find of a hineous nature that barneybuck may have also picked up on by his own accord. Dale, you seem to be questioning the integrity of what I said. Up to you.

...but the person/people I am talking of would either have no conscience, therefore never soul search and either be totally oblivious or would have a few self-doubts....(surely). Up to them.

I'm going to ask you to be a bit less enigmatic. Precisely what is of a 'heinous nature' ? If this applies to me, please be clear, as I do not want to be heinous in anyway.

Oh, come on peeps with your bickering.

Just join my new religion - The Church of the Eternal Hedonist - and all will be well. :)

Or maybe Aussies should start their own religion (not Jediism). Like maybe kangaroo worship. Or beer worship. Or something like that. All who reject the religion will be banished to South Australia.

Oh, come on peeps with your bickering.

Just join my new religion - The Church of the Eternal Hedonist - and all will be well. :)

Or maybe Aussies should start their own religion (not Jediism). Like maybe kangaroo worship. Or beer worship. Or something like that. All who reject the religion will be banished to South Australia.

Is hedonist a little bit like "heinous" ? Close enough ? :)

Hey, check this out:
http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/chedonism.html
Hmmmm . . . .

^However that's not the kind of hedonism I had in mind. ;)

In my proposed new religion, the worship service would be a mass orgy. :)

its james bond!

Poor choice of emoticons on my part. I really *do* think I understand what you're saying. :)

Something for you Dale to ponder as you go promoting your ideas for salvation.


http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/20/1090089156914.html

Awful vision of a bloodthirsty Jesus
July 21, 2004


Militant Christianity is on the march, apparently without love and forgiveness, writes Nicholas Kristof.

If the latest in the Left Behind series of evangelical thrillers is to be believed, Jesus will return to Earth, gather non-Christians and toss them into everlasting fire: "Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and a yawning chasm opened in the earth, stretching far and wide enough to swallow all of them. They tumbled in, howling and screeching, but their wailing was soon quashed and all was silent when the earth closed itself again."

These are the best-selling novels for adults in the United States, and they have sold more than 60 million copies worldwide. The latest, Glorious Appearing, has Jesus returning to Earth to wipe all non-Christians from the planet. It's disconcerting to find ethnic cleansing celebrated as the height of piety.

If a Muslim were to write an Islamic version of Glorious Appearing and publish it in Saudi Arabia, jubilantly describing a massacre of millions of non-Muslims by God, we would have a fit. We have quite properly linked the fundamentalist religious tracts of Islam with the intolerance they nurture, and it's time to remove the dust from our own eyes.

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In Glorious Appearing, Jesus merely speaks and the bodies of the enemy are ripped open. Christians have to drive carefully to avoid "hitting splayed and filleted bodies of men and women and horses".

"The riders not thrown," the novel says, "leaped from their horses and tried to control them with the reins, but even as they struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted and their tongues disintegrated. Seconds later the same plague afflicted the horses, their flesh and eyes and tongues melting away, leaving grotesque skeletons standing, before they too rattled to the pavement."

One might have thought that Jesus would be more of an animal lover.

These scenes also raise an eschatological problem: could devout fundamentalists really enjoy paradise as their friends, relatives and neighbours were heaved into hell?

As my Times colleague David Kirkpatrick noted in an article, this portrayal of a bloody Second Coming reflects a shift in American portrayals of Jesus, from a gentle figure to a martial messiah presiding over a sea of blood. Militant Christianity rises to confront Militant Islam.

This matters in the real world, in the same way that fundamentalist Islamic tracts in Saudi Arabia do. Each form of fundamentalism creates a stark moral division between decent, pious types like oneself - and infidels headed for hell.

No, I don't think the readers of Glorious Appearing will ram planes into buildings. But we did jail thousands of Muslims here and abroad after the September 11 attacks, and ordinary Americans joined in the torture of inmates at Abu Ghraib, in part because of a lack of empathy for the prisoners. It's harder to feel empathy for such people if we regard them as infidels and expect Jesus to dissolve their tongues and eyes any day now.

I had reservations about writing this column because I don't want to mock anyone's religious beliefs, and millions of Americans think Glorious Appearing describes God's will. Yet ultimately I think it's a mistake to treat religion as a taboo, either in this country or in Saudi Arabia.

I often write about religion precisely because faith has a vast impact on society.

Should we really give intolerance a pass if it is rooted in religious faith?

People have the right to believe in a racist God, or a God who throws millions of non-evangelicals into hell. I don't think we should ban books that say that. But we should be embarrassed when our best-selling books gleefully celebrate religious intolerance and violence against infidels. That's not what America stands for, and I doubt that that's what God stands for.

The New York Times

barneybuck -

Figures that you'd go spitting and sputtering to find an article on the internet which smears a belief system you do not share, given your intolerance.

Dale,

even if Barneybuck is the most intolerant person on the planet, that wouldn't necessarily make him wrong.

I find the idea of hell for unbelievers to be a very disturbing part of christianity, but for various reasons I still accept christianity as my belief system. I cannot understand how Christ can both be loving and allow people to go to hell. Maybe my understanding of hell is wrong. Maybe my understanding of love is wrong. Maybe my understanding of the seriousness of rejecting Christ as saviour is wrong. Doesn't mean I can't be a Christian.

And the Bible states that God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked but would rather that everyone repented. The Bible says never to take vengence, but allow God to take vengence. I have not read Glorious Appearing, but I have witnessed Christians who take pleasure in the prospect of their enemies being punished in hell. I think that attitude reflects poorly on Christianity, and is not at all within God's will.

Dale,

even if Barneybuck is the most intolerant person on the planet, that wouldn't necessarily make him wrong.

I find the idea of hell for unbelievers to be a very disturbing part of christianity, but for various reasons I still accept christianity as my belief system. I cannot understand how Christ can both be loving and allow people to go to hell. Maybe my understanding of hell is wrong. Maybe my understanding of love is wrong. Maybe my understanding of the seriousness of rejecting Christ as saviour is wrong. Doesn't mean I can't be a Christian.

And the Bible states that God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked but would rather that everyone repented. The Bible says never to take vengence, but allow God to take vengence. I have not read Glorious Appearing, but I have witnessed Christians who take pleasure in the prospect of their enemies being punished in hell. I think that attitude reflects poorly on Christianity, and is not at all within God's will.

Good points, all. To be honest, I struggle with the whole program myself. But then there's a rich biblical precedent for that, isn't there ? I myself do not think that faith precludes doubt, not in any way.

Now one thing I do not struggle with so much is the idea of God's fairness, but I suppose that's because I don't understand the human sense of entitlement.

And as to Glorious Appearing, this is just the thing I'm talking about. It already happened ! So there's no use in Christians imagining that Christ is going to appear in our time to smote down [insert enemies here].

barneybuck -

Figures that you'd go spitting and sputtering to find an article on the internet which smears a belief system you do not share, given your intolerance.

Your "mob" the christians shoud be the last to start attacking others for "intolerence" you almost invented the word over the past two thousand years.

i think ive started my own religion! this thread ;)

Your "mob" the christians shoud be the last to start attacking others for "intolerence" you almost invented the word over the past two thousand years.

He says, seething with hatred for those who don't share his worldview.

i think ive started my own religion! this thread ;)

I feel so used. :tongue3:

I feel so used. :tongue3:
Dale you are the type of idiot Fanatic christian thats gives your religion a bad name. I suggest you get your head out of the bible and GET A LIFE beacuse there is NO evidence that there is any life after death.(apart from fairytales)

Dale you are the type of idiot Fanatic christian thats gives your religion a bad name. I suggest you get your head out of the bible and GET A LIFE beacuse there is NO evidence that there is any life after death.(apart from fairytales)

Oh, boy ! Here comes the name calling ! :)

BTW, there are things you believe (they are treasured beliefs) in excess of evidence. We all alike live by faith.

Oh, boy ! Here comes the name calling ! :)

BTW, there are things you believe (they are treasured beliefs) in excess of evidence. We all alike live by faith.
What ever my beliefs may be I dont try to force them on to other people or promote them endlessly.
If a belief is right and worthwhile it wont need endless marketing and promotion, thats the big difference between me and you.

Good points, all. To be honest, I struggle with the whole program myself. But then there's a rich biblical precedent for that, isn't there ? I myself do not think that faith precludes doubt, not in any way.

Now one thing I do not struggle with so much is the idea of God's fairness, but I suppose that's because I don't understand the human sense of entitlement.

And as to Glorious Appearing, this is just the thing I'm talking about. It already happened ! So there's no use in Christians imagining that Christ is going to appear in our time to smote down [insert enemies here].

Dale, I'm interested in your position on Revelations. You're saying it has to do with Christ's second coming actually being His appearence in c. 0 AD? So you don't believe in a second coming happening in the future? Correct me if I'm wrong. This is different to what most Christians I've met seem to believe.

Dale you are the type of idiot Fanatic christian thats gives your religion a bad name. I suggest you get your head out of the bible and GET A LIFE beacuse there is NO evidence that there is any life after death.(apart from fairytales)

That's a bit rough dude....

We all alike live by faith.

Dale, can you explain this for me and give examples. I'm natually weary of generalisations that have so few words.

maybe he means everyone living has faith in something, or else theres no point in living.

Wouldn't ya know it (uh oh, I'm starting to say "ya") . . .

A thread called "No more religious threads" turns out to be - you guessed it - a religious thread.

We all alike live by faith.

Dale, can you explain this for me and give examples. I'm natually weary of generalisations that have so few words.

Blend summed it up pretty well, but for a specific example, look to relationships you hold dear. You do not analyze these relationships dispassionately, as if from afar. No, you commit yourself to them, sometimes with very little in the way of evidence to indicate that they will be pleasurable or rewarding.

I've never met the first person who lived his or her life by empirical principles alone.

Wouldn't ya know it (uh oh, I'm starting to say "ya") . . .

A thread called "No more religious threads" turns out to be - you guessed it - a religious thread.

Forbidden fruit, don't 'ya' know ? :)

What ever my beliefs may be I dont try to force them on to other people or promote them endlessly.
If a belief is right and worthwhile it wont need endless marketing and promotion, thats the big difference between me and you.


If by "forcing" you mean the propensity to present as truthful certain principles or tenets, then you yourself are guilty of the same.

Me ? I'm all for spirited debate. Let's get things out on the table.

Dale, I'm interested in your position on Revelations. You're saying it has to do with Christ's second coming actually being His appearence in c. 0 AD? So you don't believe in a second coming happening in the future? Correct me if I'm wrong. This is different to what most Christians I've met seem to believe.

You're right about this being a minority view - a tiny, tiny minority. And I am saying that the only return or coming of Christ of which the Bible speaks is prophicied to occur within the lifetime of Jesus' contemporaries (read Matthew 16:27,28). I further believe that biblical prophecy is clearly pointing to the Fall of Jerusalem, destruction of the Temple and the Judaical system which it symbolized. These events occured around 70 AD.

The word for "coming", as in the coming of Christ - PAROUSIA (Gk) translates "presence". Indeed, Jesus was telling the faithful that his *presence* would be felt in coming events that would both liberate and exonerate those who faithfully embraced the purposes of the God who was reconciling himself to his people in the Christ and in principles superior to the law.

Help or no ?

I actually agree with some of what Dale believes. A lot of Biblical prophecy that many assume is end of the world (within the next year or two) refers to the fall of Jerusalem. Other prophecies in Revelation may refer to the fall of Rome. I still believe that there is some kind of final judgement coming. I predict 2843 July 5th.

I actually agree with some of what Dale believes. A lot of Biblical prophecy that many assume is end of the world (within the next year or two) refers to the fall of Jerusalem. Other prophecies in Revelation may refer to the fall of Rome. I still believe that there is some kind of final judgement coming. I predict 2843 July 5th.

2843 ? THAT soon ?! RUUUUUN !!! :runaway: :)

2843 ? THAT soon ?! RUUUUUN !!! :runaway: :)

I hope they've raised the height limits by then, or Sydney will be judged wanting. Of HUGE BUILDINGS.

Very interesting about your beliefs, BTW. Are you part of any particular sect or church or does that position come from personal reflection only?

I hope they've raised the height limits by then, or Sydney will be judged wanting. Of HUGE BUILDINGS.

Very interesting about your beliefs, BTW. Are you part of any particular sect or church or does that position come from personal reflection only?

Not a part of any identifiable group. And my views regarding biblical prophecy is labeled as "preterism", which I fell into while preparing an overview on the Revelation for an adult class in the church where I was an assistant pastor, at the time.

In preparation for the overview, I studied the four major schools of thought on Revelation, one being "preterism". But the school of interpretation called preterism generally holds that many endtime prophecies pertain to the Fall of Jerusalem, but that others pertain to the indeterminate future.

Here's how it happened: I came to where I could not distinguish between the prophecies preterists claimed occured in 70 AD, and the prophecies which preterists reserved for the future. Indeed, all such prophecies were clearly to have occured during the lifetimes of some of those in the *original audience*.

Only later did I learn that preterists often draw a distinction between "partial preterists" and "preterists" - the latter being folks like me who believe that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled.

Interestingly, there appear to be a disproportianate number of preterists in Australia !

there is only one religion OZSCRAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flame bait :runaway:


Eeek! I apologise for creating the Skyscraperism thread.. Looks like this has already been discussed.. But skyscrapers deserve 2 threads anyway!

Interestingly, there appear to be a disproportianate number of preterists in Australia !

We have fewer Creationists as well...make of that what you will. I take it preterism isn't generally considered fundamentalism.

Randwicked -

I like to distinguish between Creationism (God created), which would describe the majority of Aussies, and Creation Science, which is a robust movement in Australia, though they are relatively small in number.

Now preterism is simply a way of understanding biblical prophecy, and I suppose that one could be a preterist and fundamentalist, or liberal, or even a non-Christian.

Randwicked -

I like to distinguish between Creationism (God created), which would describe the majority of Aussies, and Creation Science, which is a robust movement in Australia, though they are relatively small in number.

Now preterism is simply a way of understanding biblical prophecy, and I suppose that one could be a preterist and fundamentalist, or liberal, or even a non-Christian.

HEY DALE you just cant help yourself can you??? READ the title of this thread we dont want you rabbiting on about christianity or any other man made "religion" on this thread .
I apprecieate thet you think it it is your mission in life to "preach thr good news" to all and sundry but you are getting very tiresome in highjacking this thread. Maybe I should start the Anti religion thread but no doubt you wouldn't be able to keep your mouth shut on that either.Oh and by the way there is a"christian" thread for you to put your theories about jesus on.

HEY DALE you just cant help yourself can you??? READ the title of this thread we dont want you rabbiting on about christianity or any other man made "religion" on this thread .
I apprecieate thet you think it it is your mission in life to "preach thr good news" to all and sundry but you are getting very tiresome in highjacking this thread. Maybe I should start the Anti religion thread but no doubt you wouldn't be able to keep your mouth shut on that either.Oh and by the way there is a"christian" thread for you to put your theories about jesus on.

You do tend to blather. Did you have a bad experience at church camp ? :wink2:

You do tend to blather. Did you have a bad experience at church camp ? :wink2:

NO I just dont like ignorant people that dont respect others rights and opinions and constanty try to force their agenda down everyone elses throats -please give it a rest mate .

NO I just dont like ignorant people that dont respect others rights and opinions and constanty try to force their agenda down everyone elses throats -please give it a rest mate .

Please review the thread, your posts included. I'd say you're projecting. I'd say you've got a chip on your shoulder towards religious folks the size of Rialto Towers.

Barneybuck,

you are the one trying to impose a belief on other people. Dale is mainly stating what he believes. Whereas you have said: 'READ the title of this thread we dont want you rabbiting on about christianity or any other man made "religion" on this thread'. This looks like a reasonably blatant attempt to influence Dale's beliefs and/or actions. Can you point out any specific instances of Dale trying to 'force his agenda down your throat'?

And what exactly do you expect to get discussed in a thread titled 'no more religious threads'? Football??

Looks like St Kilda are back to winning form again.

Barneybuck,

you are the one trying to impose a belief on other people. Dale is mainly stating what he believes. Whereas you have said: 'READ the title of this thread we dont want you rabbiting on about christianity or any other man made "religion" on this thread'. This looks like a reasonably blatant attempt to influence Dale's beliefs and/or actions. Can you point out any specific instances of Dale trying to 'force his agenda down your throat'?

And what exactly do you expect to get discussed in a thread titled 'no more religious threads'? Football??

Looks like St Kilda are back to winning form again.


I happen to agree totally with BB Dale is forever "rabbiting on " about christianity.And this not the thread to push his very narrow views.

I happen to agree totally with BB Dale is forever "rabbiting on " about christianity.And this not the thread to push his very narrow views.

Like birds on a wire. :)

BTW, what's "rabbiting" ? Can't you Antipodeans speak English ? :bash:

Like birds on a wire. :)

BTW, what's "rabbiting" ? Can't you Antipodeans speak English ? :bash:
Boring boring chattering mindless drivel LOL

Boring boring chattering mindless drivel LOL

Boring's one thing. I seem to be inciting you and BB. *shrugs*

HEY DALE you just cant help yourself can you??? READ the title of this thread we dont want you rabbiting on about christianity or any other man made "religion" on this thread .
I apprecieate thet you think it it is your mission in life to "preach thr good news" to all and sundry but you are getting very tiresome in highjacking this thread. Maybe I should start the Anti religion thread but no doubt you wouldn't be able to keep your mouth shut on that either.Oh and by the way there is a"christian" thread for you to put your theories about jesus on.

Ease up dude, he was answering my question.

How's this for a religious thread idea:


Fans set up church of SpongeBob

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40397000/jpg/_40397951_spongebob_story203.jpg
SpongeBob Squarepants has become a hit around the world

US fans of the flamboyant cartoon character SpongeBob Squarepants have set up a church in his name.
More than 700 members of the Church of SpongeBob meet for services in New York, Texas and California.

The church's manifesto says it wants to push "simple things like having fun and using your imagination", and offers study courses on the cartoon.

A spokesman for Nickelodeon, which makes the cartoon, said: "SpongeBob's appeal is extraordinary."

Celebrity fans

The cartoon has become one of the most popular children's shows in the US, and has been sold around the world.

It features the enthusiastic but accident-prone sponge, permanently dressed in a boy scout's uniform, and his adventures in Bikini Bottom in the Pacific Ocean.

Its celebrity fans include Austin Powers actor Mike Myers, Oasis' Noel Gallagher and pop stars Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears and Kelly Osbourne.

Recently it was announced that Lost in Translation star Scarlett Johansson would be voicing a character in the forthcoming animated adventure The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie.

In the film, she will play a character named Mindy, daughter of King Neptune.