Live your comment about the most important state of america and why.

This is the opportunity for you to rep your state :) ;)

Texas. It's driving the domestic economy right now. California drives our export economy with tech but they send so many tech jobs abroad, nobody in the US benefits from a new iPad or droid.

California obviously. The most populous and richest state in the nation. Texas might be number 2 and NY in 3rd place. This is like asking what's the most important city in the U.S..

California obviously. The most populous and richest state in the nation. Texas might be number 2 and NY in 3rd place. This is like asking what's the most important city in the U.S..

Richest? Im afraid you are mistaken, Maryland is the richest state in the US per capita, followed by New Jersey.



But i would still say California, New York, and Florida are the most imortant :cheers:

Texas has a steady and growing economy relatively because of oil and energy which in the near future is stable along with a fast growing population, California a close second. California is in too much debt to worry about being the most important state.

That doesn't make California less important, Los Angeles still the second most important city in the United States and California is the largest economy. ^^
Richest? Im afraid you are mistaken, Maryland is the richest state in the US per capita, followed by New Jersey.



But i would still say California, New York, and Florida are the most imortant :cheers:I didn't mean that.. I mean't the largest economy in the United States.

It's my opinion currently. What I say doesn't make California less important...Just responding to the thread. If you're talking historically, Virginia, NY, Mass, Pennsylvania etc could all easily take the spot laying foundations for the country. Image wise, California and Florida displays themselves better than most states and have a bigger influence in that matter due to the entertainment industries.

I think california has it...because export alot speacially in movies...and other thinks but let's not forget New york, New york state has close to 22 million people I guess "all political decision" come from New york instead of DC... I think New york should be the capital and not the other way around but anyway... California really has a big a economy, a few days back I was reading one magazine and said that if California was a country it would be number 7 in world economy...yes I think U.S. wouldn't be the same without California...I don't know if y'all remeber that Chris rock movie "the Head of the State" somebody in movie said: " you can't win election without California"...

Guys what about Chicago?Michigan?ATL? and of curse one of my favourite cities "Vegas baby Vegas"( I'll never forget that line) I think they also are very important and with good economies too.

Are we discussing states or cities?

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Are we discussing states or cities?

The most important state...I think that the states also influence big cities...please correct me if I'm wrong :)

Guys what about Chicago?Michigan?ATL? and of curse one of my favourite cities "Vegas baby Vegas"( I'll never forget that line) I think they also are very important and with good economies too.
I thought u were talking about which state is the most important... If u meant IL, GA and NV, then no, maybe IL would make the top 5. (CA, TX, NY, FL, IL)

I live in Washington state. So there's your winner.

We can kick most states' asses with our large presence in Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard. Our aircraft and shipbuilding capacity means we can also retool.

Our cheap hydro power means we have a major role with server farms.

Washington provides a home for me, which is pretty important.

We're centrally located. Between the 4th north parallel and the North Pole. Key strategic location.

if you dont answer California to this question, you are in denial.

California was the most important state before 2008. Now it's the second most important state. It's no longer the powerful engine driving the US economy. It's suffered negative growth. Texas has taken the helm and while it has grown faster in the past, it is outpacing every large state and expanding economically. Houston, Austin and Ft Worth have never been stronger and Dallas and San Antonio are progressing nicely. Texas has benefitted from the strong energy complex, the growth in federal government, trade and transportation and its banking, real estate and construction sectors are stable. California is hobbled by $117 billion in debt and serious unemployment and a real estate sector in a near depression. The tech sector is strong but still shedding jobs to Asia so the net benefits are going overseas. By it's sheer size California remains a major presence but it no longer leads and it isn't driving the recovery in the US as it once did at this stage in past recessions.

I thought u were talking about which state is the most important... If u meant IL, GA and NV, then no, maybe IL would make the top 5. (CA, TX, NY, FL, IL)

yes I'm talking about the most important states I said the cities as a reference... but I think NV directly Las Vegas has a good economy more in the tourism sector as far as GA Atlanta I said it because T.I., Ludacris and other great musician that come from there...I was being ironic... real thing ATL is far far way to become the most important state of America... IL Chicago has or had everything I think is losing or already lost to Texas...If i'm not mistaken IL already carry U.S. 40 years back or 50... IL is a giant in coma...and Obama needs to wake him up...

as far your top 5 I'm suprised that you put New york at number 3...because outside of U.S. some people believe that the capital of U.S. is New york...:)

California was the most important state before 2008. Now it's the second most important state. It's no longer the powerful engine driving the US economy. It's suffered negative growth. Texas has taken the helm and while it has grown faster in the past, it is outpacing every large state and expanding economically. Houston, Austin and Ft Worth have never been stronger and Dallas and San Antonio are progressing nicely. Texas has benefitted from the strong energy complex, the growth in federal government, trade and transportation and its banking, real estate and construction sectors are stable. California is hobbled by $117 billion in debt and serious unemployment and a real estate sector in a near depression. The tech sector is strong but still shedding jobs to Asia so the net benefits are going overseas. By it's sheer size California remains a major presence but it no longer leads and it isn't driving the recovery in the US as it once did at this stage in past recessions.

117 billions????:uh::eek2: Where Arnold invest all those 117 billion???because CA has a huge unemployment rate same as NY

CA got more debt than Dubai...:omg: but if you see the TV Shows, LAKERS Games, and all that celebrety stuff... you are away but so away far to think that CA got this huge Debt...
Hollywood should step in...with all the movie that Hollywood sells overseas should help...speacially when Jim Camron on Avatar made something like $2,740,405,721 (mojo) worldwide...helps right?

Hate to say it, but currently has to be California.

Virginia was first, New York has the biggest city, Texas Instruments saved my ass in math classes, but on the whole, California.

California is hobbled by $117 billion in debt

Holy hell, when did California's debt hit $117 billion? Last I had heard it was at $30 billion, though that was two years ago. :eek:

I'd still say California, though, since it's the most influential economy in the United States. Where California's economy goes, the US's economy follows currently. Without it, the United States economy wouldn't have nearly the pull it does on the world, though California's economy is also dependent on the rest of the country to be as influential as it is.

Hawaii. Because without it, there wouldn't be a nice, round number of 50.

California was the most important state before 2008. Now it's the second most important state. It's no longer the powerful engine driving the US economy. It's suffered negative growth. Texas has taken the helm and while it has grown faster in the past, it is outpacing every large state and expanding economically. Houston, Austin and Ft Worth have never been stronger and Dallas and San Antonio are progressing nicely. Texas has benefitted from the strong energy complex, the growth in federal government, trade and transportation and its banking, real estate and construction sectors are stable. California is hobbled by $117 billion in debt and serious unemployment and a real estate sector in a near depression. The tech sector is strong but still shedding jobs to Asia so the net benefits are going overseas. By it's sheer size California remains a major presence but it no longer leads and it isn't driving the recovery in the US as it once did at this stage in past recessions.
LOL :lol: then by your definition we can also say that the U.S. is not the most important country in the World just because it was the epicenter of the recession. lol No, that doesn't work like that, California is number one.

North Dakota is currently leading the way, showing other states how to achieve rock bottom unemployment and homicide rates. :yes:

LOL :lol: then by your definition we can also say that the U.S. is not the most important country in the World just because it was the epicenter of the recession. lol No, that doesn't work like that, California is number one.

Wow I'm suprised to see that East coast guy give it up to the West coast guy...I thought that you guys didn't like each other...But as a U.S. lover I'm glad to see that you guys are united...:)

North Dakota is currently leading the way, showing other states how to achieve rock bottom unemployment and homicide rates. :yes:

North Dakota?:lol: lol ok

Hawaii. Because without it, there wouldn't be a nice, round number of 50.

:lol: I love Hawaii man..in europe still very strange but I know like was there before...Hawaii is very beautiful...even with mahalo stuff... BUT there's no way in the world that Hawaii reach the top as the most important State of U.S.

Hate to say it, but currently has to be California.

Virginia was first, New York has the biggest city, Texas Instruments saved my ass in math classes, but on the whole, California.

Texas is really something...I guess Nasa is present there, they have oil(if I'm not mistaken) and plus they the thoses Texas calculators that helped you bro...Texas is on the run

North Dakota?:lol: lol ok

You do know there is a massive oil deposit in North Dakota which will make Texas oil seem like a pond. :lol:


3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana's Bakken Formation

But they also say

Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x

America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent and until now has largely gone unnoticed. Thanks to new technology the Bakken Formation in North Dakota could boost America’s Oil reserves by an incredible 10 times, giving western economies the trump card against OPEC’s short squeeze on oil supply and making Iranian and Venezuelan threats of disrupted supply irrelevant.

In the next 30 days the USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) will release a new report giving an accurate resource assessment of the Bakken Oil Formation that covers North Dakota and portions of South Dakota and Montana. With new horizontal drilling technology it is believed that from 175 to 500 billion barrels of recoverable oil are held in this 200,000 square mile reserve that was initially discovered in 1951. The USGS did an initial study back in 1999 that estimated 400 billion recoverable barrels were present but with prices bottoming out at $10 a barrel back then the report was dismissed because of the higher cost of horizontal drilling techniques that would be needed, estimated at $20-$40 a barrel.

North Dakota is like some small nations in the world that everyone knows little about but likes to dump on. The thing is many of those small nations in the future including North Dakota will be the last ones laughing. Laughing all the way to the bank because of the resources they have that everyone wants. :lol:


In answering the question would say that New York the Empire State is the most important state because it is the financial center of the US.

Wow 500 billions barrels just like venezuela...this a good thing...but North Dakota is almost unknown to alot of people that not live in the U.S. but let's wait for the future....

LOL :lol: then by your definition we can also say that the U.S. is not the most important country in the World just because it was the epicenter of the recession. lol No, that doesn't work like that, California is number one.

It's actually like saying that a huge zombie bank in Japan is the "most important bank" even though it makes no money, has zero growth prospects, and yet has a huge balance sheet. Importance comes from more than sheer size, it comes from relevance and California is less relevant to the US economy today than Texas. California is a zombie state.

Oh really, since when? It seems that you just don't like the idea that CA still the most important state in the nation even with its debt..

California is first. But the thing about this country is that it is so big and diverse that there is no single engine for the entire economy.

Oh really, since when? It seems that you just don't like the idea that CA still the most important state in the nation even with its debt..

Defensive much? If California remains the most important state in the US then expect little or no growth in the US for a decade. Truth is, Texas is roaring towards 30 million people and the Triangle is experiencing solid growth. It's like comparing Florida with Michigan. Sacramento has finally killed California the way Albany killed New York. Great weather though...

Most important state regarding...

...what exactly?

Wide question. The most populous state and biggest state economy is California.

Most important state regarding...

...what exactly?

Wide question. The most populous state and biggest state economy is California.

in everything...:)

Defensive much? If California remains the most important state in the US then expect little or no growth in the US for a decade. Truth is, Texas is roaring towards 30 million people and the Triangle is experiencing solid growth. It's like comparing Florida with Michigan. Sacramento has finally killed California the way Albany killed New York. Great weather though...

You can give a hundred more reasons to try and justify your opinion but it's kind of pointless. Nothing ever was, is or ever shall be better than California to him. I can't even imagine the sheer horror he must be facing right now being outside of her borders. :ohno:

1. California
2. New York
3. Texas

Defensive much? If California remains the most important state in the US then expect little or no growth in the US for a decade. Truth is, Texas is roaring towards 30 million people and the Triangle is experiencing solid growth. It's like comparing Florida with Michigan. Sacramento has finally killed California the way Albany killed New York. Great weather though...

I'd resent that if it weren't true . . . but it is. :(

California, and its insane bureaucracy, are uncontrollable. If there's any hope left for my state, I sure as hell hope it comes with Jerry Brown.

Now, to answer the thread's question, I'd say California and New York are on par internationally, while Texas seems to dominate domestically right now.

Fuckin' Moonbeam? Are you insane? (Don't answer that)

"Importance" can mean many things. I'd suggest that certain aspects like innovation (ability to lead world in some way), natural resources / agricultural capacity (ability to sustain self, and sell to bring money in), etc., are more "important" than sectors that largely serve the other sectors, like construction.

Fuckin' Moonbeam? Are you insane? (Don't answer that)

Well, I guess you have a point. It's not like created the highest budget surplus in California history.





Oh, wait . . .

Most Important States of the US Superlatives:

MOST IMPORTANT FOR ENERGY: Texas

MOST IMPORTANT FOR FINANCE: New York

MOST IMPORTANT FOR TOURISM: Florida

MOST IMPORTANT FOR MEDIA/ENTERTAINMENT: California (Southern)

MOST IMPORTANT FOR INNOVATION: California (Northern)

MOST IMPORTANT FOR HEALTHCARE/EDUCATION: Massachusetts

MOST IMPORTANT FOR GOVERNMENT/POLITICAL ENGINE: Washington D.C. / Virginia

Depends on what area. As for food production and supporting a nation's diet, places like California or Florida aren't very important, while places like Iowa would be very significant, as far as business goes, without doubt a state like New York. Entertainment? California obviously. A lot of other areas are up to personal opinion. However, no state is "the most important" because each have their contributions and flaws.

^^ California not important in food production? Ever hear of Fresno County or the Central Valley?

Depends on what area. As for food production and supporting a nation's diet, places like California or Florida aren't very important, while places like Iowa would be very significant, as far as business goes, without doubt a state like New York. Entertainment? California obviously. A lot of other areas are up to personal opinion. However, no state is "the most important" because each have their contributions and flaws.

California not important for food production? do you know how much of your food comes from California? Probably most of it.

Despite all of California's woes, it is still a top ten economy of the world, leads in innovation, has the most vital ports in the Western World, and so much more.

Most Important States of the US Superlatives:

MOST IMPORTANT FOR ENERGY: Texas

MOST IMPORTANT FOR FINANCE: New York

MOST IMPORTANT FOR TOURISM: Florida

MOST IMPORTANT FOR MEDIA/ENTERTAINMENT: California (Southern)

MOST IMPORTANT FOR INNOVATION: California (Northern)

MOST IMPORTANT FOR HEALTHCARE/EDUCATION: Massachusetts

MOST IMPORTANT FOR GOVERNMENT/POLITICAL ENGINE: Washington D.C. / Virginia

good post man :) makes sence

and MOST IMPORTANT FOR GETTING DRUNK, HIGH, DOING CRAZY STUFF AND HANGOVERS: Las Vegas:lol:

I have to agree with most in this thread and say that Texas and California are the 2 most imortant states economically.

North Dakota?:lol: lol ok

Oh yah, you betcha, not only is ND the state with the lowest homicide and unemployment rates but Fargo also has the cleanest air of any US city.

Virginia fights way above its weight class and should be in the top five.

We are the center of the defense industry and second to none with regards to military presence (to include the world's largest naval base, Langley AFB, NASA, Quantico, the Pentagon and a dozen or so Army, AF and Naval bases and we are the home of the Joint Command and some NATO office who’s name escapes me…it‘s down in Suffolk I believe). We have the CIA too.

Politically I think that we are the most important state (electoral college aside). This is where the lobbyists live, more senators and congress people live here than in any other state. The chairman of the DNC lives in Richmond, as does the minority Whip.

We have big shipbuilding facilities and are a top producer of coal. We have one of the biggest and busiest ports in the country.

Our historical sites grace many of the coins and bills of our currency. Virginia citizens wrote much of the Constitution and Bill of Rights (most notably, Madison and Jefferson).

Richmond is a regional headquarters for the Federal Reserve Bank (one of four cities). The state is home to dozens of Fortune 1000 companies and is near the top of the states with the most Fortune 500 companies. Fairfax is second only to San Jose for the number of high tech companies.

We have an amazing public college system that produces many of the country's politicians and public service professionals.

All that said,

California would be the most important. New York would be second (it is still the financial capitol of the world after all, and one of (if not the) the world’s most important centers for art). Texas may be third, but given the sheer size of the state, that’s to be expected (carve out the same land area along the eastern seaboard and see how Texas compares). Florida shouldn’t be anywhere near the top of the list. Seriously, we could lose the entire state in a hurricane and the rest of the country wouldn’t miss a beat.

California would be the most important. New York would be second (it is still the financial capitol of the world after all, and one of (if not the) the world’s most important centers for art). Texas may be third, but given the sheer size of the state, that’s to be expected (carve out the same land area along the eastern seaboard and see how Texas compares). Florida shouldn’t be anywhere near the top of the list. Seriously, we could lose the entire state in a hurricane and the rest of the country wouldn’t miss a beat.

That's true but by your logic you could do this with California as well since it's a pretty big state. Besides, the vast majority of the economy in Texas is due to the Texas Triangle megaregion which is less than half of the land area (about the size of Illinos) but is home to 75% of the population and includes 5 of the 20 most populated cities in the US. It's not like the major economic centers are spreadout throughout the state and is important due to it's size.

Leadership = importance. Resting on old, dead laurels doesn't cut it.

Texas is the best state for business:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.centernetworks.com%2Fcnbc-texas-best-state-for-business&ei=mjtkTL2oL9ONnQeaoPHNAQ&usg=AFQjCNFseR41LN9w5ORSkyuh3BD4TsM1tA&sig2=odK-u9_nZ2TCuFhad5_SiA

Texas ties California in Fortune 500 firms:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2010/states/CA.html

Texas leads in job growth:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizjournals.com%2Faustin%2Fstories%2F2010%2F06%2F28%2Fdaily49.html&ei=tzxkTNPYBY-gnQf2uZSXDQ&usg=AFQjCNGALUlyKIK91gRRCTXyGv6t7H-r3w&sig2=9WSimhsYoODA9RD6dNWjRg

Texas Leads the nation in high growth cities:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CB4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessweek.com%2Flifestyle%2Fcontent%2Fjan2010%2Fbw20100127_033961.htm&ei=tzxkTNPYBY-gnQf2uZSXDQ&usg=AFQjCNHVd2tBy3j1tnhVjx30KvtBo7nUsg&sig2=RmT6cr3k8VcnJDQctXc-Uw

Texas leads the nation in population growth:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CDEQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbootheglobalperspectives.com%2Farticle.asp%3Fid%3D322&ei=KT5kTOHGF8m_nAe5t4Rf&usg=AFQjCNFUdcRUQrGBqH2Jm-R_gD1wl9HPhw&sig2=6mpauxU9JhsL5JbpVFvZ0Q

Texas leads in income growth:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessweek.com%2Flifestyle%2Fcontent%2Fjan2010%2Fbw20100127_033961.htm&ei=lz5kTI2kN8-TjAei6qy3CQ&usg=AFQjCNHVd2tBy3j1tnhVjx30KvtBo7nUsg&sig2=8Cn5RwDSSlIIbHLC2xfVtA

California not important for food production? do you know how much of your food comes from California? Probably most of it.

I'm not denying that California produces food, but I can guarantee you most of my food comes from the Midwest (and my backyard). :) After some research it appears California does produce quite a bit of food. My bad.

Leadership = importance. Resting on old, dead laurels doesn't cut it.

Texas is the best state for business:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.centernetworks.com%2Fcnbc-texas-best-state-for-business&ei=mjtkTL2oL9ONnQeaoPHNAQ&usg=AFQjCNFseR41LN9w5ORSkyuh3BD4TsM1tA&sig2=odK-u9_nZ2TCuFhad5_SiA

Texas ties California in Fortune 500 firms:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2010/states/CA.html

Texas leads in job growth:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizjournals.com%2Faustin%2Fstories%2F2010%2F06%2F28%2Fdaily49.html&ei=tzxkTNPYBY-gnQf2uZSXDQ&usg=AFQjCNGALUlyKIK91gRRCTXyGv6t7H-r3w&sig2=9WSimhsYoODA9RD6dNWjRg

Texas Leads the nation in high growth cities:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CB4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessweek.com%2Flifestyle%2Fcontent%2Fjan2010%2Fbw20100127_033961.htm&ei=tzxkTNPYBY-gnQf2uZSXDQ&usg=AFQjCNHVd2tBy3j1tnhVjx30KvtBo7nUsg&sig2=RmT6cr3k8VcnJDQctXc-Uw

Texas leads the nation in population growth:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CDEQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbootheglobalperspectives.com%2Farticle.asp%3Fid%3D322&ei=KT5kTOHGF8m_nAe5t4Rf&usg=AFQjCNFUdcRUQrGBqH2Jm-R_gD1wl9HPhw&sig2=6mpauxU9JhsL5JbpVFvZ0Q

Texas leads in income growth:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessweek.com%2Flifestyle%2Fcontent%2Fjan2010%2Fbw20100127_033961.htm&ei=lz5kTI2kN8-TjAei6qy3CQ&usg=AFQjCNHVd2tBy3j1tnhVjx30KvtBo7nUsg&sig2=8Cn5RwDSSlIIbHLC2xfVtA

All states including Texas and California go through economic cycles and Texas obviously is on the upside of one. All those links you provide doesn't prove anything about being the most important state. Leading the nation in population growth? In raw numbers California is 2nd in population growth. So what?

Here's a more relevant link: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1931582-1,00.html


If you want to know the most important state you've got to look at what makes the USA so great: Its influence and dominance in new technologies and culture. You have to ask which state does the whole country turn to in these aspects.

Which state is by far the leading innovator in computer technology, internet, biotech, green/clean tech, renewable energy, space and aeronautic innovation, scientific research, etc etc?

California.

Through its dominance in technology and entertainment industry California influences the furthest corners of the globe more so than New York City, DC, and London can ever dream of doing.

Texas' most important aspect? Being a cheaper place to live and do business. Kinda like Wal-Mart. I hate shopping over there but sometimes I do. Cuz it's cheap.

:) After some research it appears California does produce quite a bit of food. My bad.

Yeah. Your bad. It's only the leading agricultural state and the Central Valley is said to be the most productive farming region in the world.

Well, I guess you have a point. It's not like created the highest budget surplus in California history.

Oh, wait . . .

The only credit I'll give Governor Moonbeam (and I was there) was that he managed to snag Linda Ronstadt for a bit. She was hot back then. God only knows what the heck was going on in her melon though ... . http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/trolltoast/album%202/ed498830-1.jpg

All states including Texas and California go through economic cycles and Texas obviously is on the upside of one. All those links you provide doesn't prove anything about being the most important state. Leading the nation in population growth? In raw numbers California is 2nd in population growth. So what?

Here's a more relevant link: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1931582-1,00.html


If you want to know the most important state you've got to look at what makes the USA so great: Its influence and dominance in new technologies and culture. You have to ask which state does the whole country turn to in these aspects.

Which state is by far the leading innovator in computer technology, internet, biotech, green/clean tech, renewable energy, space and aeronautic innovation, scientific research, etc etc?

California.

Through its dominance in technology and entertainment industry California influences the furthest corners of the globe more so than New York City, DC, and London can ever dream of doing.

Texas' most important aspect? Being a cheaper place to live and do business. Kinda like Wal-Mart. I hate shopping over there but sometimes I do. Cuz it's cheap.

You make some good points but I would have to disagree when you said California has influenced the world more than NYC. Did you really mean California or just L.A. in particular? Either way NYC is still on the same level if not higher. As for Tx. you're spot on about it being a business state but the fact that's it's cheaper is just an extra perk not the main reason for it's growth. Don't knock Tx, it's obviously doing something right. I read an article not long ago that said if Tx would rank 8th in the world if it were it's own country. California would rank 6th.

All states including Texas and California go through economic cycles and Texas obviously is on the upside of one. All those links you provide doesn't prove anything about being the most important state. Leading the nation in population growth? In raw numbers California is 2nd in population growth. So what?

Here's a more relevant link: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1931582-1,00.html


If you want to know the most important state you've got to look at what makes the USA so great: Its [past]influence and dominance in new technologies and culture. You have to ask which state does the whole country turn to in these aspects.

Which state [was] by far the leading innovator in computer technology, internet, biotech, green/clean tech, renewable energy, space and aeronautic innovation, scientific research, etc etc?

California.

Through its [past]dominance in technology and entertainment industry California influences the furthest corners of the globe more so than New York City, DC, and London can ever dream of doing.

Texas' most important aspect? Being a cheaper place to live and do business. Kinda like Wal-Mart. I hate shopping over there but sometimes I do. Cuz it's cheap.

In a rapidly de-globalizing world, California's "cultural dominance" is being shoved aside in favor of more native product in film and media. New Mexico has poached a good chunk of the film industry and others are nibbling away. California's high cost of doing film and TV is killing that industry there. But you'll always have fancy three story office buildings with a corner office for the CEO.

California's "dominance in biotech" is laughable. Pittsburgh, Boston, Seattle, Philadelphia, et al. are ever-growing titans in health care and Texas may tower over them all with the Texas Medical Center and powerful state university initiatives in medical research.

Texas has a burgeoning computer and tech research community centered in Austin and UT Austin is driven to lead in those fields. California is exporting tech jobs at a rapid clip. When Apple announces record profits, another 10,000 workers find jobs...in India.

China leads the world in private investment in alternative energy, California is far behind. Texas leads in wind and CNG. All California has is solar.

And yes, Texas is a cheaper place to do business. Which is why Texas, not California, is attracting business. While California rests on their laurels, companies are fleeing and setting up shop in places like Texas and Nevada. When Californians wake up from their opium dream, they'll see how hollowed out their state is, and hobbled by taxes, a hostile business climate and overburdened with social welfare spending for those displaced by all the jobs and business outflows. By then, of course, Texas will have left California in the dust.

You've either made everything up or have been grossly misinformed. All you've made are petty generalizations

In a rapidly de-globalizing world, California's "cultural dominance" is being shoved aside in favor of more native product in film and media. New Mexico has poached a good chunk of the film industry and others are nibbling away. California's high cost of doing film and TV is killing that industry there. But you'll always have fancy three story office buildings with a corner office for the CEO.

Don't hold your breath. New Mexico ain't gonna be Hollywood anytime soon. Neither is Canada nor Florida. When studios film in outside of California it may be to take advantage of their tax rebates or to make a more authentic setting but when the cameras are off the final production, final cut, editing, special effects, before and after deals, casting, and everything else is done in CA. In the end all the benefits trace their way back to Hollywood. California may lose some filming here or there but the overwhelming majority of movies, TV programs, etc will always stay here. Plus CA is putting up a good fight to keep it that way. http://www.dailynews.com/ci_15508382?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com

When studios need a bleak, desolate desert location then New Mexico would make sense.

And no, Bollywood musicals will never replace what Hollywood has to offer. Ever.

California's "dominance in biotech" is laughable. Pittsburgh, Boston, Seattle, Philadelphia, et al. are ever-growing titans in health care and Texas may tower over them all with the Texas Medical Center and powerful state university initiatives in medical research.

Are you kidding me?? The birthplace of biotech, the capital of stem cell research, having by far the largest # of biotech firms/employees/venture capital in the world and growing. Do some research.

And why mention the Texas Medical Center? Nobody outside Texas cares about the largest ordinary medical complex in the world that doesn't innovate anything.

Texas has a burgeoning computer and tech research community centered in Austin and UT Austin is driven to lead in those fields. California is exporting tech jobs at a rapid clip. When Apple announces record profits, another 10,000 workers find jobs...in India.


Any state can claim to have a burgeoning computer and tech community but only California, Seattle, and Boston can back up that claim. Those are where new, innovative products have been churning out for decades. Every other place are just cheaper places to open manufacturing plants. (Austin, Phoenix, North Carolina)

Here's a link that shows CA's dominance in all things tech:https://www.pwcmoneytree.com/MTPublic/ns/nav.jsp?page=region

More venture capital= more innovations, more new tech companies.

And aside from technology, what sector isn't setting up shop in China and India to take advantage of dirt cheap labor? Your India statement was just plain lame.


China leads the world in private investment in alternative energy, California is far behind. Texas leads in wind and CNG. All California has is solar.

California is changing the world with new technologies in solar, wind, geothermal, algae-based fuels and everything else related to alternative energy. Everyone else is just watching. http://thegreenwombat.com/

Texas does lead over California in wind energy output but NOT in wind technology. The reason TX leads is because of all that barren wasteland available in West TX to put up those gigantic wind farms. I think it's a great thing that they've found a way to make useless, non-farmable land useful.

We can go on and on about which state is more important and it's definitely a matter of opinion. I just don't think Texas is just on the laurels of being a cheaper, faster growing state.

All states including Texas and California go through economic cycles and Texas obviously is on the upside of one. All those links you provide doesn't prove anything about being the most important state. Leading the nation in population growth? In raw numbers California is 2nd in population growth. So what?

Here's a more relevant link: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1931582-1,00.html


If you want to know the most important state you've got to look at what makes the USA so great: Its influence and dominance in new technologies and culture. You have to ask which state does the whole country turn to in these aspects.

Which state is by far the leading innovator in computer technology, internet, biotech, green/clean tech, renewable energy, space and aeronautic innovation, scientific research, etc etc?

California.

Through its dominance in technology and entertainment industry California influences the furthest corners of the globe more so than New York City, DC, and London can ever dream of doing.

Texas' most important aspect? Being a cheaper place to live and do business. Kinda like Wal-Mart. I hate shopping over there but sometimes I do. Cuz it's cheap.

Perfectly said

Yeah. Your bad. It's only the leading agricultural state and the Central Valley is said to be the most productive farming region in the world.

As a single state California is bigger than any other state, but California is also massive, besides, it would probably get a little more competition if you add all of the smaller Midwestern states together. There is a reason it is called the Breadbasket.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs155-99/fig2.jpg
http://www.esri.com/mapmuseum/mapbook_gallery/volume24/images/agriculture1_lg.jpg

From the USDA

Q: Which are the top 10 agricultural producing States?
A: The top 10 agricultural producing States, in terms of cash receipts are (in descending order): California, Iowa, Texas, Nebraska, Illinois, Minnesota, Kansas, Indiana, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. These and related statistics can be found among ERS’s Farm Income Data (scroll down to "Other Tables With Rankings").





But yes, as a state, it is the largest when it comes to farming.

^ Corn doesn't necessarily mean food. Not all crops grown in the midwest are for human consumption. But you are probably correct that collectively, there's a wider area used for agriculture. However, it's no doubt that what California produces in the fields it does have, are for people which is a lot.

^ Corn doesn't necessarily mean food. Not all crops grown in the midwest are for human consumption. But you are probably correct that collectively, there's a wider area used for agriculture. However, it's no doubt that what California produces in the fields it does have, are for people which is a lot.

Most corn is used for either processing (corn syrup) or as feed for chickens, hog, cows, etc. We do eat a lot of corn, just not directly.
From the looks of the Midwest, you would assume Americans eat tons of soybeans and corn directly.

That's true but by your logic you could do this with California as well since it's a pretty big state. Besides, the vast majority of the economy in Texas is due to the Texas Triangle megaregion which is less than half of the land area (about the size of Illinos) but is home to 75% of the population and includes 5 of the 20 most populated cities in the US. It's not like the major economic centers are spreadout throughout the state and is important due to it's size.

Good point. But IL is also a big state. It is roughly the same land area as VA, MD, DC and NJ combined.

Those midwestern states are also the largest recipients of farm subsidies, receiving many times more per capita, and per crop, than California, so we all get to pay for corn twice. Unlike the fruit and veg grown in California, much of the corn grown in the midwest would not be economically viable it weren't for billions in corporate welfare. Yay congress.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/publications/what_came_to_and_left_your_state_in_2005

OK, so the Midwest receives farm subsidies (yay congress) but California gets back more federal money than the "bread basket" states. This is what they call a moot point (doesn't change my opinion that CA is the most important state however).

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/publications/what_came_to_and_left_your_state_in_2005

OK, so the Midwest receives farm subsidies (yay congress) but California gets back more federal money than the "bread basket" states. This is what they call a moot point (doesn't change my opinion that CA is the most important state however).

You're going to have to change the definition of bread basket to make that completely true. It looks like California sits right in between (Illinois and Minnesota getting less, Iowa and Indiana getting much more). Still, you're right, the point is moot.

Also, my list is slightly different. http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

You've either made everything up or have been grossly misinformed. All you've made are petty generalizations

Nice try. Forget any discussion with you. I'll just link to the truth.

Don't hold your breath. New Mexico ain't gonna be Hollywood anytime soon. Neither is Canada nor Florida. When studios film in outside of California it may be to take advantage of their tax rebates or to make a more authentic setting but when the cameras are off the final production, final cut, editing, special effects, before and after deals, casting, and everything else is done in CA. In the end all the benefits trace their way back to Hollywood. California may lose some filming here or there but the overwhelming majority of movies, TV programs, etc will always stay here. Plus CA is putting up a good fight to keep it that way. http://www.dailynews.com/ci_15508382?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com

http://www.milkeninstitute.org/publications/publications.taf?function=detail&ID=38801245&cat=resrep

When studios need a bleak, desolate desert location then New Mexico would make sense.

http://www.filmidaho.org/newmexicofilmindustryexplodes.aspx

And no, Bollywood musicals will never replace what Hollywood has to offer. Ever.

India: http://www.screendaily.com/indian-film-industry-on-course-for-rapid-growth/4022456.article

China: http://business.globaltimes.cn/industries/2010-01/500900.html

Are you kidding me?? The birthplace of biotech, the capital of stem cell research, having by far the largest # of biotech firms/employees/venture capital in the world and growing. Do some research.

http://www.fiercebiotech.com/special-reports/top-five-regions-targeting-biotech-companies-2008-0?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal&cmp-id=EMC-NL-FB&dest=FB

And why mention the Texas Medical Center? Nobody outside Texas cares about the largest ordinary medical complex in the world that doesn't innovate anything.

Yeah, it's only THE LARGEST MEDICAL CENTER ON EARTH!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Medical_Center
Oh, and:
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2009/jun/03/california-losing-its-biotech-edge/

Any state can claim to have a burgeoning computer and tech community but only California, Seattle, and Boston can back up that claim. Those are where new, innovative products have been churning out for decades. Every other place are just cheaper places to open manufacturing plants. (Austin, Phoenix, North Carolina)

http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/kilbyctr/hightech.shtml

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0883902689900335

More venture capital= more innovations, more new tech companies.

And aside from technology, what sector isn't setting up shop in China and India to take advantage of dirt cheap labor? Your India statement was just plain lame.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/02/silicon-valley-in-danger-of-losing.html

California is changing the world with new technologies in solar, wind, geothermal, algae-based fuels and everything else related to alternative energy. Everyone else is just watching. http://thegreenwombat.com/ -Texas does lead over California in wind energy output but NOT in wind technology. The reason TX leads is because of all that barren wasteland available in West TX to put up those gigantic wind farms. I think it's a great thing that they've found a way to make useless, non-farmable land useful.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/05/texas-meets-renewable-energy-goals-15-years-early/

http://blogs.aip.org/CLEAN/2010/05/texas-leads-the-way-in-meeting-renewable-energy-goals.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/029087_wind_power_Texas.html

We can go on and on about which state is more important and it's definitely a matter of opinion. I just don't think Texas is just on the laurels of being a cheaper, faster growing state.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_0zQHOGwmwsQO0Kk_4PgX7ku5VQD9HHI7QO0

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00612-death-california-dream

http://rightviewfromtheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2009/03/take-on-californias-decline.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aagoingeast.htm

http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2009/06/22/daily24.html

I love California but it's time you guys out there quit denying reality and get to work solving your problems!

Most Important States of the US Superlatives:

MOST IMPORTANT FOR ENERGY: Texas

MOST IMPORTANT FOR FINANCE: New York

MOST IMPORTANT FOR TOURISM: Florida

MOST IMPORTANT FOR MEDIA/ENTERTAINMENT: California (Southern)

MOST IMPORTANT FOR INNOVATION: California (Northern)

MOST IMPORTANT FOR HEALTHCARE/EDUCATION: Massachusetts

MOST IMPORTANT FOR GOVERNMENT/POLITICAL ENGINE: Washington D.C. / Virginia

MOST IMPORTANT FOR FINDING A BAR: Wisconsin

MOST IMPORTANT FOR CONVICTING POLITICIANS: Illinois

Texas needs to improve their education system, which sucks from what I read. They going have to fix it soon if they want to remain competitive. Regardless, I would never move there for personal reasons.

Texas needs to improve their education system, which sucks from what I read. They going have to fix it soon if they want to remain competitive. Regardless, I would never move there for personal reasons.

yeah they say texas is home of republicans...Fox news and whatever :lol:...I guess obama never set foot in there :rofl:

Texas needs to improve their education system, which sucks from what I read. They going have to fix it soon if they want to remain competitive. Regardless, I would never move there for personal reasons.

^^ They're going to have to work out the bugs in Baltimore County too ... from what I'm reading here :lol:

Clark County has to fix their "bugs" too, but I'm not going to bother debating a stupid troll like yourself.

I've always thought of New York as being the most important state with California trailing behind in 2nd.

St.PauliBoy? Welcome to 1961 :lol:

Clark County has to fix their "bugs" too, but I'm not going to bother debating a stupid troll like yourself.

True, but ain't you want debate a troll like me? I'll talk like you type so understand me gooder? If you're gonna knock someone else make sure you're a better example at the very least :)

Well lets get back on topic sha'll we? After rethinking (and focusing on the readme for this subforum) shouldn't we be focusing on the state with the most well defined urbanity, transportation, architecture, etc? If so, NYC (ny state by association) is the most important in setting an example.

In setting that kind of example I would think Chicago would be best, but those aren't the parameters.

Sacramento has finally killed California the way Albany killed New York. Great weather though...

The problem for New York is the fact that our state borders were drawn up in 657 B.C. and don't reflect the reality on the ground. California has it easy because at least Sacramento is part of the state's economy. I wouldn't mind if New York City was governed from, say, Philly. Albany is just an alien city with separate economy and different culture and atmosphere, it might as well be Wassila, Alaska for all I care. If Albany was not the governing body for NYC on paper, we wouldn't even have a highway connecting the two cities, just a 2-lane road would suffice.

1. Cali
2. Texas
3. NY

Nice try. Forget any discussion with you. I'll just link to the truth.



http://www.milkeninstitute.org/publications/publications.taf?function=detail&ID=38801245&cat=resrep



http://www.filmidaho.org/newmexicofilmindustryexplodes.aspx



India: http://www.screendaily.com/indian-film-industry-on-course-for-rapid-growth/4022456.article

China: http://business.globaltimes.cn/industries/2010-01/500900.html



http://www.fiercebiotech.com/special-reports/top-five-regions-targeting-biotech-companies-2008-0?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal&cmp-id=EMC-NL-FB&dest=FB



Yeah, it's only THE LARGEST MEDICAL CENTER ON EARTH!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Medical_Center
Oh, and:
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2009/jun/03/california-losing-its-biotech-edge/



http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/kilbyctr/hightech.shtml

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0883902689900335



http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/02/silicon-valley-in-danger-of-losing.html



http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/05/texas-meets-renewable-energy-goals-15-years-early/

http://blogs.aip.org/CLEAN/2010/05/texas-leads-the-way-in-meeting-renewable-energy-goals.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/029087_wind_power_Texas.html



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_0zQHOGwmwsQO0Kk_4PgX7ku5VQD9HHI7QO0

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00612-death-california-dream

http://rightviewfromtheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2009/03/take-on-californias-decline.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aagoingeast.htm

http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2009/06/22/daily24.html

I love California but it's time you guys out there quit denying reality and get to work solving your problems!

Thanks for the links Desert.

The problem for New York is the fact that our state borders were drawn up in 657 B.C. and don't reflect the reality on the ground. California has it easy because at least Sacramento is part of the state's economy. I wouldn't mind if New York City was governed from, say, Philly. Albany is just an alien city with separate economy and different culture and atmosphere, it might as well be Wassila, Alaska for all I care. If Albany was not the governing body for NYC on paper, we wouldn't even have a highway connecting the two cities, just a 2-lane road would suffice.

NYC should secede from NY and join NJ. The rump NY could be renamed Albanyland and the parts of NJ in the NYC metro incorporated into the city. Maybe annex CT too.

Is there any way to get state capitals changed could you get a petition together to move the capital to Yonkers at least?

NYC should secede from NY and join NJ. The rump NY could be renamed Albanyland and the parts of NJ in the NYC metro incorporated into the city. Maybe annex CT too.

Is there any way to get state capitals changed could you get a petition together to move the capital to Yonkers at least?

I think the statue of liberty exemplifies the mess we have because of age-old colonial borders mixed with current reality on the ground.

Statue of liberty is located on the Liberty Island, which is located in the New York harbor, which is located in New Jersey State. The territory of the island is the property of Jersey City, New Jersey, but the built portions fall under the jurisdiction of the New York City, thus fall under the jurisdiction of New York State. Thus Statue of Liberty is an exclave of New York State inside New Jersey State.

Fun Times! :banana: :cheers: :lol: :nuts:

NYC should secede from NY and join NJ. The rump NY could be renamed Albanyland and the parts of NJ in the NYC metro incorporated into the city. Maybe annex CT too.

Is there any way to get state capitals changed could you get a petition together to move the capital to Yonkers at least?

Western NY wants badly to secede from Albany and "Shelly Silverland" Downstate. They have been bled dry for decades.

Western NY wants badly to secede from Albany and "Shelly Silverland" Downstate. They have been bled dry for decades.

In the city itself succession from upstate is pretty popular. Some of the city council members are openly pro-secessionist. We also subsidize upstate to the tune of $11 billion a year and Long Island subsidizes upstate another $3 billion a year. I'd definitely prefer if that money goes for example to Trenton than Albany or Buffalo. Trenton is an important city between NY and Philly and it hasn't been doing too well, which effects the NY city economy.

On the other hand upstate has no political freedom and leeway whatsoever. All the decisions are made by the city politicians.

In the city itself succession from upstate is pretty popular. Some of the city council members are openly pro-secessionist. We also subsidize upstate to the tune of $11 billion a year and Long Island subsidizes upstate another $3 billion a year. I'd definitely prefer if that money goes for example to Trenton than Albany or Buffalo. Trenton is an important city between NY and Philly and it hasn't been doing too well, which effects the NY city economy.

On the other hand upstate has no political freedom and leeway whatsoever. All the decisions are made by the city politicians.

LOL Trenton??? Seriously? :lol:

LOL Trenton??? Seriously? :lol:

Yeah Trenton is a rather depressive town, so it can have growth from a relatively low base and you get the bang for the buck. What makes it special though is that it is almost in the middle of Philadelphia - New York corridor and it has a split NY/Philly influence. In fact, before the 2000 census it was counted as part of Philly CSA, but now after 2000 it is counted as NY CSA.

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo256/2002rune_album/trneton.jpg


If both Philly and NY can get Trenton out of the shitter the two cities will unite and form one giant CSA of 30 million and conquer the galaxy!!!

Yes, Trenton is the focal point for a world domination plan. :devil: :booze:

NYC should secede from NY and join NJ. The rump NY could be renamed Albanyland and the parts of NJ in the NYC metro incorporated into the city. Maybe annex CT too.

Is there any way to get state capitals changed could you get a petition together to move the capital to Yonkers at least?

Err, no thanks.

I think the statue of liberty exemplifies the mess we have because of age-old colonial borders mixed with current reality on the ground.

Statue of liberty is located on the Liberty Island, which is located in the New York harbor, which is located in New Jersey State. The territory of the island is the property of Jersey City, New Jersey, but the built portions fall under the jurisdiction of the New York City, thus fall under the jurisdiction of New York State. Thus Statue of Liberty is an exclave of New York State inside New Jersey State.

Fun Times! :banana: :cheers: :lol: :nuts:

wtf!!!!!!!!! :bash:

Are we still talking about our threads' title- Our Opinions on California? :lol:

^^ Arrogant bastard. I'm a California native, and even I think the question is open for debate depending on various factors. Sure, I love my state, but then I remember all the government fuck ups, local, regional, and statewide.

Minnesota -

Important because we would all be speaking German if it weren't for its mass deposits of iron ore.

:cheers:

^^Haha, we might laugh at such an idea, but it's true! America's early skyscrapers (and then battleships, tanks, and what have you) were all built with Minnesota iron ore.

Im gonna represent Missouri. It's important because if the US lost Missouri, the map would have a hole in it and look very strange.
We make lots of wine....!

hear hear ^^

It comes down to 3 States-NY,TX,CA! any other Sates are non factors!I'd have to go with Cali then Texas then NY!

Im gonna represent Missouri. It's important because if the US lost Missouri, the map would have a hole in it and look very strange.
We make lots of wine....!

LOL

How about Virginia?

- First permanent English settlement in North America
- Got torn all to hell in the Civil War
- Lost more land than any other state over time (link (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Virginiacolony.png/574px-Virginiacolony.png) - look for "claimed by Virginia")
- We get the bigger chunk of the DC metro area
- Amazing variety of landscape - urban, farming, woods in the middle of nowhere, butt-ugly mining country, beautiful mountains, beaches, swamps, ghettos, yuppies, rich bitches, rednecks... we got everthang!

Highland County has 2,500 residents living in 416 square miles. Fairfax County has 1,077,000 living in 396 square miles.

Im gonna represent Missouri. It's important because if the US lost Missouri, the map would have a hole in it and look very strange.
We make lots of wine....!

The real reason Missouri is the most important state, being the home of the nations largest brewer, anheuser busch. As a country of drinkers, you can think Missouri for keeping you drunk. Kentucky gets a honorary mention for their whiskey.

The real reason Missouri is the most important state, being the home of the nations largest brewer, anheuser busch. As a country of drinkers, you can think Missouri for keeping you drunk. Kentucky gets a honorary mention for their whiskey.

Anheuser Busch is not American owned anymore.

LOL

How about Virginia?

- First permanent English settlement in North America
- Got torn all to hell in the Civil War
- Lost more land than any other state over time (link (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Virginiacolony.png/574px-Virginiacolony.png) - look for "claimed by Virginia")
- We get the bigger chunk of the DC metro area
- Amazing variety of landscape - urban, farming, woods in the middle of nowhere, butt-ugly mining country, beautiful mountains, beaches, swamps, ghettos, yuppies, rich bitches, rednecks... we got everthang!

Highland County has 2,500 residents living in 416 square miles. Fairfax County has 1,077,000 living in 396 square miles.

If you merge with Maryland, invade Delaware and lay siege to DC until they give in then you might get in the top 5 ;)

Western NY wants badly to secede from Albany and "Shelly Silverland" Downstate. They have been bled dry for decades.

Not really. You hear that among the conservative & right-wing, T-party fringe, but I don't sense that's the majority. Its just envy & jelosey of the relative the success of NYC & downstate.

Frankly, for all the obvious political dysfunction in Albany, WNY would end up looking even more like West Virginia if it weren't for all the state subsidies that come from Albany.

For one, I'm glad that WNY is in NY State. That guarantees that Carl Paladino or some other right-wing racist bigot never gets elected governor. He's got hardly any support around NYC

^^ Arrogant bastard. Sure, I love my state, but then I remember all the government fuck ups, local, regional, and statewide.

Even as fucked up as it is, it has so much distance between it and other States- which are mid sized by comparison. We have higher tech still, and access to much more venture capital than any others. We just need much more effective leadership. Just too big.

The real reason Missouri is the most important state, being the home of the nations largest brewer, anheuser busch. As a country of drinkers, you can think Missouri for keeping you drunk. Kentucky gets a honorary mention for their whiskey.

Honorary mention?

If we're talking alcohol, Kentucky or California are the most important states. They produce some of the best wines and spirits in the world. Kentucky is even more notable IMO because it makes a distinctly American product,

Bourbon whiskey, recognized by congress in 1964:

"Bourbon whiskey is a distinctive product of the United States and is unlike other types of alcoholic beverages, whether foreign or domestic; and whereas to be entitled to the designation 'Bourbon whiskey' the product must conform to the highest standards … and whereas Bourbon whiskey has achieved recognition and acceptance throughout the world as a distinctive product of the United States … it is the sense of Congress that the recognition of Bourbon whiskey as a distinctive product of the United States be brought to the attention of the appropriate agencies."

-Bourbon must be made of a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn.

-Bourbon must be distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume).

-Neither coloring nor flavoring may be added.

-Bourbon must be aged in new, charred oak barrels.

-Bourbon must be entered into the barrel at no more than 125 proof (62.5% alcohol by volume).


-Bourbon, like other whiskeys, may not be bottled at less than 80 proof (40% alcohol by volume.)

-Bourbon which meets the above requirements and has been aged for a minimum of two years, may (but is not required to) be called Straight Bourbon.

-Straight Bourbon aged for a period less than four years must be labeled with the duration of its aging.

-If an age is stated on the label, it must be the age of the youngest whiskey in the bottle.

-Only whiskey produced in the United States can be called bourbon.


Anheuser Busch is garbage in comparison.

Even as fucked up as it is, it has so much distance between it and other States- which are mid sized by comparison. We have higher tech still, and access to much more venture capital than any others. We just need much more effective leadership. Just too big.

California has a lot of distance between it and other states in a lot of areas, but not all.

So, the biggest state is constantly mired in ineffective government. Tell me something I don't know. All I know is you can't run a state like an internet startup.

Oh, is that how they're running it? I thought they were running it like a cackle of Rads! (Yes, "cackle" is the appropriate term, since its inception, from Sarah Palin a few days ago.) . "Yeah! From me!" . http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/trolltoast/album%202/watsongetty.jpg WATSON/GETTY

This is like asking "Which is the most important part of the human body in your opinion?"

The heart is important and all but without the lunges the human body fails to function.

Same goes with the US.

I thought the brain was the most important? ^^

Yeah, but what provides blood to the brain?

Oh, is that how they're running it? I thought they were running it like a cackle of Rads! (Yes, "cackle" is the appropriate term, since its inception, from Sarah Palin a few days ago.) . "Yeah! From me!" . http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/trolltoast/album%202/watsongetty.jpg WATSON/GETTY

No, it's not how Arnie's running it. Sure, he's screwed a lot of things up, but his environmental work is pretty good, and especially good from a Republican. HOWEVER . . . an internet startup (eBay?) is exactly like how Nut-Meg said she'd run California. I hope she loses, not just so Jerry Brown can take the reigns again, but so she will have spent tens of millions on a failed campaign.

Yeah, but what provides blood to the brain?


Artificial pump? :dunno:

No, it's not how Arnie's running it. Sure, he's screwed a lot of things up, but his environmental work is pretty good, and especially good from a Republican. HOWEVER . . . an internet startup (eBay?) is exactly like how Nut-Meg said she'd run California. I hope she loses, not just so Jerry Brown can take the reigns again, but so she will have spent tens of millions on a failed campaign.

I don't think Arnold has screwed a lot of things up- it's more like the divide in the State Congress, but the problems remain at the Capital as California charges people for getting into car accidents and seriously considers another round of IOU's. I cry real tears. And just leave Moonbeam back in the past, please? Whitman will take very good care of the State :)

^^ No . . . no she won't. She screwed up businesses, and YOU CAN'T RUN GOVERNMENT LIKE A BUSINESS. Plus, her odds of winning have already gone down because Jerry's got the Latino vote.

Really, I want you to post a list of the accomplishments Whitman and Brown have made FOR THE PUBLIC. You won't, and even if you did, you'd post about three dozen things Nutmeg has done "for the people" compared to two things Brown has done.

I think you can pretty much write off California if you put Brown in there again. What can Brown do for you? He can take a dump on my State! Seriously, from day one- write it OFF!

^^ My state, actually. You're in Nevada. My state's politics don't concern you anymore than Hawaii's politics concern you.

Seriously, what do you see in Nutmeg? "I have a plan (her catchword) to create many vital jobs in California" (ten seconds later) "I'm going to eliminate the state bureaucracy by laying off 40,000 state employees." So, she's gonna . . . create jobs . . . by laying 40,000 people off and eliminating those jobs? Yeah. There's some great logic right there.

Here's why a government can't be run like a business. A business is an institution where not everyone will use your product or service. When business is on the slow side, you can lay people off. A business can even go bankrupt. A state provides services that EVERYBODY uses and needs that can't disappear. The public school system ain't HP, Nutmeg!

Hawaii. Because without it, there wouldn't be a nice, round number of 50.



Hawaii becoming the 50th state sure helped out the flag businesss!

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They do when we have to bail out your failing social experiment.

I can't even imagine where Cali would be if Frisco, LaLa, San Diego or even Sacto got hit with a natural disaster (read: earthquake). They've had a lucky 104 year run...

If that happen, the US would be in trouble not just California... ^^

If that happen, the US would be in trouble not just California... ^^

We'd survive, unlike whatever metro was struck. Globalization has made production/investment easily transferable over state boundaries just as it has over national borders. Silicon Valley and Hollywood have competencies that would be difficult to absorb by the rest of the US, but we could handle it over time.

Since when has California been a "social experiment?"

Oh yeah? I see no difference between the Northridge Earthquake and Hurricane Katrina.

It's pretty simple: if California falls, it will slowly drag the rest of the country. Which state has the most tourists? Which state has the most money? Which state has the richest and largest agriculture? You are seriously telling me that the United States, as a whole, would be just fine if California crumbled into the sea? Yeah, get back to me on that when Sacramento's underwater from failed levees and the Big One hits. Damn East Coast elitists . . .

They do when we have to bail out your failing social experiment. Damn, that was funny! I crapped my pants, that was so rich! . So, tell me, Mr. "Showbusiness for Ugly People" Washington D.C.: Wasn't it under your direction that New York's key industries were completely bailed out? I'll answer that for you- Yes it was! And where oh where are the jobs right now? You guessed it- The Gaseous Retard within the Beltway! . Now, where's our money, thief? ( I have to hand it to you- you sure have a lot of nerve! )

Since when has California been a "social experiment?"

Oh yeah? I see no difference between the Northridge Earthquake and Hurricane Katrina.

It's pretty simple: if California falls, it will slowly drag the rest of the country. Which state has the most tourists? Which state has the most money? Which state has the richest and largest agriculture? You are seriously telling me that the United States, as a whole, would be just fine if California crumbled into the sea? Yeah, get back to me on that when Sacramento's underwater from failed levees and the Big One hits. Damn East Coast elitists . . .

Economy-wise... yeah, it would be really bad for America and the world if California suddenly disappeared.

Culturally we can only be happy. Everything bad has come out of California (or Canada).

By the way I'm European so don't blame me for not liking gangsta rap, fake women and 17-million pop. suburbs.

Economy-wise... yeah, it would be really bad for America and the world if California suddenly disappeared.

Culturally we can only be happy. Everything bad has come out of California (or Canada).

By the way I'm European so don't blame me for not liking gangsta rap, fake women and 17-million pop. suburbs.

Gangster rap didn't originate in California.

The other two, well, okay, I'll give you those. But blame Hollywood and LA, not the whole state. Silicon Valley, Lake Tahoe, etc are all good things coming from California.

Gangster rap didn't originate in California.

Where did it originate?

I might be misinformed on this subject, seeing as I detest rap, but I always thought it originated on the East Coast and was then adopted by the West Coast's (mainly SoCal) gang culture.

Rap was invented in the 80's in New York City.

The gangster rap genre was invented in LA in the early 90's.

^^ I stand corrected.

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Damn, that was funny! I crapped my pants, that was so rich! . So, tell me, Mr. "Showbusiness for Ugly People" Washington D.C.: Wasn't it under your direction that New York's key industries were completely bailed out? I'll answer that for you- Yes it was! And where oh where are the jobs right now? You guessed it- The Gaseous Retard within the Beltway! . Now, where's our money, thief? ( I have to hand it to you- you sure have a lot of nerve! )

You provincials elected the legislative decision makers.

You know why they could never move the government to LA? There aren't enough college degrees there unless you count those with Phruit Hawking Doctorates (PHDs). I see tons of those traveling fruit salesmen on the side of the road there. Meanwhile, a third of the world's astrophysicists call the Beltway home. Enjoy your day.

IMHO I think the most important state in the US is the Quintessential CALIFORNIA...

The most important states are-

Economically-New York
Culturally-California
Politically-Texas...unfortunately
Aesthetically-Oklahoma, by far
:)

Politically-Texas

What are you talking about? Florida and Ohio have more influence in politics than Texas.

Why do you think every presidential candidate spends a significant amount of time in either state, along with political campaign ads.

Yeah but the Republicans can win without Florida or Ohio. They cant win without Texas.

You provincials elected the legislative decision makers.

You know why they could never move the government to LA? There aren't enough college degrees there unless you count those with Phruit Hawking Doctorates (PHDs). I see tons of those traveling fruit salesmen on the side of the road there. Meanwhile, a third of the world's astrophysicists call the Beltway home. Enjoy your day.

And most high level idiots call the Beltway home, what's your point? (LA is Louisiana) You should not have picked astrophysics to distinguish yourself from California. Caltech on its own could handle you. Try again :)

Yeah but the Republicans can win without Florida or Ohio. They cant win without Texas.

Uh No politician can win without either Florida or Ohio. They are the key battleground states for almost every presidential election.

I should note that Texas voted for McCain with only a few percentage points. Plus the state is turning more and more into a swing state every day because of transplants, the rising hispanic population, and foreign immigration.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Election-state-04-08.png/418px-Election-state-04-08.png

On the contrary Obama could have lost both Florida and Ohio and he still would've won in 2008 by more than 300 EV. You overstate the importance of these states. At the end of it, if it wasn't for Texas, Republicans wouldn't even have a base from where to try to win FL or OH in the first place.

Rap was invented in the 80's in New York City.

The gangster rap genre was invented in LA in the early 90's.

Actually it was in Philadelphia (Schooly D).

Minnesota... its just all around BA :lol:

Actually it was in Philadelphia (Schooly D).

And I thought it was LA with NWA, Ice-T, and Too Short.

You learn something new everyday.

Actually it was in Philadelphia (Schooly D).

Rapper Ice-T, who is often given credit for the creation of gangsta rap, credits Schoolly D as an influence on his own music:
“ The first record that came out along those lines was Schoolly D's "P.S.K." Then the syncopation of that rap was used by me when I made "Six In The Morning". The vocal delivery was the same: '...P.S.K. is makin' that green', '...six in the morning, police at my door'. When I heard that record I was like "Oh shit!" and call it a bite or what you will but I dug that record. My record didn't sound like "P.S.K.", but I liked the way he was flowing with it. "P.S.K." was talking about Park Side Killers but it was very vague. That was the only difference, when Schoolly did it, it was '...one by one, I'm knockin' em out'. All he did was represent a gang on his record. I took that and wrote a record about guns, beating people down, and all that with "Six In The Morning".
I'd say Gangsta Rap was developed and matured with the West Coast rappers. The reality of gang life and gang culture were already here. If Schoolly D hinted at it, Ice-T and later NWA completely kicked the door down. Gang life is in the blood of Los Angeles at this point, can't say the same for Philly(though a very nice town.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schooly_D

I've always thought of New York as being the most important state with California trailing behind in 2nd.
New York State is definitely not the most important. It could certainly be one of the top three, but that is due to the presence of New York City and the right things New York State did 50-150 years ago (Erie Canal, Empire State Building, New York Thruway, etc.). But if it weren't for NYC, the state would fall way down the list in importance. The problem is, the state has been resting on its laurels since the 80s. Once you get to the top, the job isn't done. You have to continue to work in order to stay on top. NY State is not doing that.

:lol: Neither is Cal.

Of course it is ^^ And neither Nevada!! btw...^^

California. Agriculture, Tech industry, Entertainment industry, real estate industry.

Choose any one of those industries alone to represent California and you have a state in the top 1-3. California is a leader in all of them.

California

Hollywood (the industry), Silicon Valley, Central Valley, Port LA/LB, etc. Your entertainment, technology, food, clothing, toys, etc. come from California.

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As a Texan, I would say California. However, I think that is changing as several thousands of Californians relocate to Texas every year.
Good things about Texas:
- No state income tax.
- Well maintained roads *cough* Oklahoma *cough*

Problems with Texas:
- Crappy public school system.
- Only has two research intensive flagship universities (UT and A&M) whereas California has over 10
- $20 billion budget deficit.
- The Gulf of Mexico is no Pacific Ocean

As a Texan, I would say California. However, I think that is changing as several thousands of Californians relocate to Texas every year.
Good things about Texas:
- No state income tax.
- Well maintained roads *cough* Oklahoma *cough*

Problems with Texas:
- Crappy public school system.
- Only has two research intensive flagship universities (UT and A&M) whereas California has over 10
- $20 billion budget deficit.
- The Gulf of Mexico is no Pacific Ocean

I'd also say Texas is really taking off as far as jobs. Overall California may be in the lead but Texas isn't all that far behind.

It comes down to 3 States-NY,TX,CA! any other Sates are non factors!I'd have to go with Cali then Texas then NY!

Exactly!

Indiana! I live here is reason enough. I'm that important.

California.

Yeah, the Golden State faces significant challenges.

But as they say: Wherever America's going, California always gets there first!