I first started work on this late last month, when SIA itself did not publish a map in their website.
By the time I almost finished this, new route maps suddenly popped up over on their website! :D
Nonetheless, mine is perhaps the first which involves the entire airline's routes in one map, beating even the one published in the inflight mag.

http://img14.exs.cx/img14/5366/SIA2.jpg

I know the font is a little small, but I dont have much spaces for it unless I make this map really huge. So a trade-off is needed. Sorry sorry. :D

Hope you guys like it! :)

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OMG.....the asian part was ultra dense.....:eek2:

Yeah..imagine the headache of trying to label all of them clearly....;)

Anyway...the map is already outdated...haha! :D

Yeah..imagine the headache of trying to label all of them clearly....;)

Anyway...the map is already outdated...haha! :D

Outdated??? haha....goes to show how fast they grow their network.....anyway nice work...... :applause:

Is south east asia under those lines somewhere. looks like you have mucking about with one of those old spirograph things 8)

No wonder the airfares are so expensive!- please tell the pilots that there is a much shorter route to LA and San Fransisco - across the date line! Contrary to Singapore Airlines belief, the world is not flat!

Great map anyway - imagine what it would look like if you put all airlines on there?

No wonder the airfares are so expensive!- please tell the pilots that there is a much shorter route to LA and San Fransisco - across the date line! Contrary to Singapore Airlines belief, the world is not flat!

Great map anyway - imagine what it would look like if you put all airlines on there?
:D Erm...ok I have to clarify that those lines are of coz not the actual flight routes taken....they were drawn in such a way that you can follow each line from start to finish in as clear a manner as is technically/humanely possible? ;)

Thanks for the credits but no..you wont find me trying to draw all the worlds' airlines into it. I am better off painting the whole map in red! :D

Look at the ASEAN route line, OMG, very much the same like American airlines route map in the states, very crowded!

good job huaiwei, ps: i notice your month/year of born is the same with me :lol: we are the monkey king then :D

cheers

Like OMG!!! :eek2:




The only continent they dont fly to is S. America and they hardly fly to Afrika.

Look at the ASEAN route line, OMG, very much the same like American airlines route map in the states, very crowded!

good job huaiwei, ps: i notice your month/year of born is the same with me :lol: we are the monkey king then :D

cheers
But unlike in America, SIA has only one hub. Maybe they should try establishing multiple hubs for greater global dominance. :D

Oh, so now you realise why I got that subtitle? ;) It was actually a nickname given to me by my Chinese forumer friends since my birthday last year. You can share if with me if you want! :D

Anyway, I am going to repost the map soon. Discovered a cheapskate way to get round the font problem, and none of you noticed I have two "Davao" labels in the map did you? ;)

From Asia to Western USA via Europe?? Hello? I thought the route via Pacific Ocean...

From Asia to Western USA via Europe?? Hello? I thought the route via Pacific Ocean...
They arent.....explained in post #7.

That's a lot of hard work.

Excellent job.

Oh, so now you realise why I got that subtitle? It was actually a nickname given to me by my Chinese forumer friends since my birthday last year. You can share if with me if you want!

Anyway, I am going to repost the map soon. Discovered a cheapskate way to get round the font problem, and none of you noticed I have two "Davao" labels in the map did you?

LOL, sure i why not! :D

Yeah I saw 2 davaos, the other in the philippines and the other one is in Indonesia
:lol:

cheers

Hahaa...its supposed to be Manado. Also, Ujang Pandang is now called Makassar right?

Slight correction on your map... Shenzhen, CHina is actually south of GuangZhou.

hahaha, look at africa. Only two destinations for the whole continent. Better yet, no destination for south america.

Yeah..Shenzhen is southwest of Guangzhou, but I dont have that much real estate on the map to place the circles as accurately as they should. I will try to tweak a little in my next update. ;)

There are three destinations in Africa....including Cairo. As for South America....there is an issue of yields, which might be a potential market thou given the aviation as well as trade pacts forged by Singapore with several South American states over the years. Singapore actually have an open skies agreement with Chile, for eg. But the biggest hurdel here is technology. Quito in Equador, for eg, is almost exactly on the opposite of the globe from Singapore, the longest distance one can get away from us, and no plane is able to fly that far just yet non-stop.

Hopefully in the long run, we might be able to establish a hub in the US (most probably LA) to fly on to South America, since we already have an open skies agreement with the US too.

@Huaiwei, yep, it supposed to be Manado, silkair also had flight to Makassar before but its gone now. :D

cheers

Hey great map. Any interest in flying into Toronto? Why the suspended service to Las Vegas and Chicago? I am also born in the year of the Monkey (November is my birthmonth). Any hints to when a N. American hub will be needed/wanted?

If I am not wrong, SIA once flew to Toronto a long time ago (could have added this to the map), but was kicked out due to competition issues or something? Cant remember where I found this info from.

Chicago and Las Vegas were suspended last year during the SARS epidemic. It is unclear if they are going to restart them again. In fact, it has been the second time that Chicago was dropped!

I just found what looks like an "official" map, but it seems to be only available only on the Brazilian site of the airline?

Anyway the maps look slightly outdated....the Las Vegas route has been suspended like more then a month ago, as well as several other routings and destinations, and the Silkair destinations didnt seem to be included at all. ;)

http://www.singaporeair.com.br/imagens/rotas/8_mapa_ampliado.jpg

Huaiwei, I think you did some incredible work. I just want to point out that there is a website that has some okay maps of airlines. It was done by a guy on Airliners.net, which I don't belong to but like to read. Its at: http://www.airlineroutemaps.com

Hmmm......although that was the official map, I still your self-drawn one.....so much more details...... :okay:

Thanks guys! ;)

Nick, thanks for the link too. Just to console myself, I have to point out that for the SIA maps, theirs do not combine all the flights for SIA group, and besides, the self-drawn one isnt as updated as mine. :D

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/East_Asia/Singapore%20Airlines.jpg

Btw, SIA flies from London to Toronto?? :?

That website was done by a guy from Malaysia who goes by "Keno" on Airlines.net.

Really sad to that SIA had been stopped flight btw SIN/YYZ for nearly a decad

Really sad to that SIA had been stopped flight btw SIN/YYZ for nearly a decad

When did SQ fly from SIN to YYZ? Was it a nonstop flight? Do you know what kind of equipment they used?

As I recalled the flight was starting btw around 1995 to 96 ??, Using of B747-400 on her brainchild network in westbound from SIN to make one stoppover

Then suspension by replacing to eastbound flight schedule shorty to Canada for YVR via SEL

Yes, SIA did fly to toronto before, but it was via Amsterdam. I dont recall it ever flying via London over the Atlantic, especially with so much fighting over aviation rights?

And it was never a nonstop flight to Toronto! ;)

Yes, SIA did fly to toronto before, but it was via Amsterdam. I dont recall it ever flying via London over the Atlantic, especially with so much fighting over aviation rights?

And it was never a nonstop flight to Toronto! ;)

Hmmm...non-stop flight to toronto?? maybe that could be next if there was enough traffic......:yes:

Hmmm...non-stop flight to toronto?? maybe that could be next if there was enough traffic......:yes:

Although Toronto has a big Asian population, it is mostly Chinese who came from Hong Kong. Air Canada has a nonstop flight to HKG and Cathay Pacific might also, but I doubt there is enough of a demand for a nonstop or direct flight to SIN.

AC also has a nonstop flight from YYZ to DEL and back, but from what I've heard that A340-500 has to make a pit stop in Stockholm on many of its return flights.

Although Toronto has a big Asian population, it is mostly Chinese who came from Hong Kong. Air Canada has a nonstop flight to HKG and Cathay Pacific might also, but I doubt there is enough of a demand for a nonstop or direct flight to SIN.

AC also has a nonstop flight from YYZ to DEL and back, but from what I've heard that A340-500 has to make a pit stop in Stockholm on many of its return flights.

Hmm....thats interesting to know......:yes:

There's lots of mainland China people coming over to Toronto too, as well as huge Vietnamese and Philippino populations.

I dont think there will be a market for a direct Toronto-Singapore flight either, unless SIA is actually allowed rights to fly beyond Toronto, perhaps to actually link up to one of the American cities.

Time to add this to the routes.........:D

Business Times - 03 Nov 2004

SIA first in SE-Asia to fly direct to Cape Town
By VEN SREENIVASAN

(SINGAPORE) Singapore Airlines (SIA) has become the first South-east Asian carrier to offer non-stop flights between Singapore and the South African city of Cape Town.

The carrier has converted one of its thrice-weekly Cape Town services via Johannesburg to a non-stop flight, reducing travel time between Cape Town and Singapore by about two hours.

On Wednesdays, SQ482 will leave Singapore at 0130 hours and arrive in Cape Town at 0725 hours. SQ481 will leave Cape Town at midday and arrive in Singapore at 0540 hours on Thursdays.

Flights on Mondays and Fridays will continue to operate via Johannesburg.
The service to Johannesburg will continue as a turnaround flight.

SIA executive vice-president for marketing Huang Cheng Eng said the services will boost SIA's capacity into South Africa and enable the airline to expand tourism and business links between South Africa and Singapore. All flights to and from South Africa are operated by the Boeing 777-200ER in a two-class configuration.

This aircraft is fitted with SIA's Raffles Class SpaceBeds, and both classes come with full audio and video-on-demand on their KrisWorld personal inflight entertainment system.

With the new non-stop flight to Cape Town, SIA will operate eight weekly services between Singapore and South Africa: daily non-stop services between Singapore and Johannesburg, with two of these services continuing to Cape Town, and from yesterday, a Wednesday non-stop flight to Cape Town.

SIA introduced a daily Singapore-Los Angeles non-stop service in February, followed by a daily non-stop Singapore-New York service in June.
On Monday, SIA announced that passengers on most of its flights will now be able to check-in and select seats via the company's website, www.singaporeair.com .

Copyright © 2004 Singapore Press Holdings Ltd. All rights reserved.

Hahaha...thnks...I do update my map lah..just that I haven post the latest version up yet. Still working on adding some new features to it actually.

Andyeah...wondering if I should add Tiger Airways, when its not majority owned by SIA?

I also am noticing more and more mainlanders in Toronto. I believe SQs old routing to yyz included stops in Amsterdam and Vienna.

I also am noticing more and more mainlanders in Toronto. I believe SQs old routing to yyz included stops in Amsterdam and Vienna.
Hmm...I am still trying to investigate. It seems like the stopover was Vienna rather then Amsterdam as I tought earlier? Or could it have switched from one city to another?

I am pretty sure that Chicago's stopover was Amsterdam, both ways, and with a 777. Can't say I know about Toronto though.

Personally, I was in the air cargo business and we shipped a lot of freight to Singapore. SIA Cargo flies to Dallas/Ft.Worth, but that is too long of a haul by truck from Atlanta to DFW to drop the freight with SIA Cargo, so we usually use Korean Air. I'd love to see SIA Cargo (and hopefully SIA itself) fly into ATL. They can just make it another stop for the DFW cargo flight, as ATL and DFW share a lot of freighter flights. I know Lufthansa Cargo's almost daily flights through ATL stop in DFW right after they leave here. Freight, unlike passengers doesn't mind sitting a few extra hours on the ground in a few extra cities before it reaches its destination.

I am pretty sure that Chicago's stopover was Amsterdam, both ways, and with a 777. Can't say I know about Toronto though.

Personally, I was in the air cargo business and we shipped a lot of freight to Singapore. SIA Cargo flies to Dallas/Ft.Worth, but that is too long of a haul by truck from Atlanta to DFW to drop the freight with SIA Cargo, so we usually use Korean Air. I'd love to see SIA Cargo (and hopefully SIA itself) fly into ATL. They can just make it another stop for the DFW cargo flight, as ATL and DFW share a lot of freighter flights. I know Lufthansa Cargo's almost daily flights through ATL stop in DFW right after they leave here. Freight, unlike passengers doesn't mind sitting a few extra hours on the ground in a few extra cities before it reaches its destination.
Yeah...the Chicago flight was easier to find info for, since it was relatively recent. The Toronto flight, however, was stopped about 10 years ago! :eek:

Hm.....interesting to know that you were in the business. That explains your enthusiasm. :D Anyway, Lufthansa and SIA happens to be in an alliance in the air cargo business (besides also collaborating in the passenger flights), so that might explain why SIA dosent land at Atlanta for now? I am not too sure how they actually collaborate on day to day operations thou.

Huaiwei! i hvnt seen this one:)

very cool route map of SIA! :)

Yeah...the Chicago flight was easier to find info for, since it was relatively recent. The Toronto flight, however, was stopped about 10 years ago! :eek:

Hm.....interesting to know that you were in the business. That explains your enthusiasm. :D Anyway, Lufthansa and SIA happens to be in an alliance in the air cargo business (besides also collaborating in the passenger flights), so that might explain why SIA dosent land at Atlanta for now? I am not too sure how they actually collaborate on day to day operations thou.

@huaiwei: Yes, I was an air exporter for a number of years. I saw you mention that you are a geographer in a thread I posted on, but have you worked in the air freight business at some time? I'm sure Singapore has a huge import/export business community because it has one of the busiest air cargo airports and one of the top two ports in the world. It's shippers' heaven. :)

Regarding SIA Cargo and Lufthansa Cargo, I believe they are working together with Japan Airlines Cargo in WOW. I'm not sure what they share, but they are all huge cargo carriers and are also probably the three most respected air cargo shippers. We have JAL Cargo and LH Cargo here in ATL, but as I said it would be nice to have SIA Cargo dead-end their DFW flight in ATL.

Thanks, drwho! :)

Nick, yeah I am a geographer, but I have yet to graduate. We do hope for internships and that kind of thing in the transport business, but that seems to be difficult especially in recent years. A few years ago, they allowed only 2 students to intern at SIA. I think they are the first and the last? ;)

Yeah...the WOW thingy. Dunno if it has an influence in their routing patterns, but since you are in the business, may I ask if its a pretty standard thing for the planes to fly one way round the globe in their cargo operations? Practically all of SIA's cargo flights are one-way only!

I was also quite surprised when I discovered airlines like Lufthansa and even SIA have cargo operations which are bigger then dedicated cargo airlines like Fed Ex and UPS?

...since you are in the business, may I ask if its a pretty standard thing for the planes to fly one way round the globe in their cargo operations? Practically all of SIA's cargo flights are one-way only!

I was also quite surprised when I discovered airlines like Lufthansa and even SIA have cargo operations which are bigger then dedicated cargo airlines like Fed Ex and UPS?

I have'nt been in the business since '97 and a lot has obviously changed since then, but I try to keep up by reading magazines and websites on the subject of air cargo and logistics.

Regarding commercial airlines like LH and SIA's cargo operations, they aren't bigger than Fed Ex or UPS. LH has about 12 dedicated freighters while Fed Ex has about 450 planes solely for air freight and UPS isn't far behind.

About one way cargo flights, this has become somewhat popular with some air cargo airlines. There is so much freight coming out of Asia to North America and very little going the other way. There's also a lot of freight from Europe to Asia. So what they do is fly from Asia to North America very full, fly from North America to Europe with a decent load and then fly from Europe to Asia full, and keep on doing it over and over. Strangely enough it seems to work.

If you have any more air freight questions feel free to ask away, because even though I left the business it's still in my blood, and that's no exaggeration! :)

Thanks for the info! I might have to consult you should I embark on am aviation-related independent study module next semester. :D

Anyway, I found out Lufthansa was the biggest cargo carrier from the media, which ranked them according to total cargo handled? I recon you ranked them by fleet size?

Lufthansa Cargo is the biggest carrier by cargo volume I believe, with Korean Air Cargo second. Basically, the air cargo carriers like Lufthansa Cargo, Korean Air Cargo, Singapore Air Cargo, and even carriers that ONLY carry cargo like Cargolux of Luxembourg and Polar Air Cargo of the US are in a different category than the "integrated carriers" like Fed Ex, UPS and DHL. The integrated carriers handle all parts of the process. They pick up the freight, load it onto their own planes at the local airport, fly into their hub cities (e.g., Memphis for Fed Ex and Louisiville for UPS), sort the freight for its destination, load it onto the same plane that flew in from that city, fly to the destination, and then deliver the freight with their own employees. Unfortunately, with the expansion of these integrated carriers around the world and their movement into larger freight, they have forced many air cargo carriers to join with freight forwarders and custom brokers if they want to create the same "seamless" service that the integrated carriers can provide. Thus the creation of WOW and agreements between airlines and large shipping companies.

Hope I didn't bore you with all this info, when all you asked was how I determined which air cargo airline was the biggest? :) :runaway:

Lufthansa Cargo is the biggest carrier by cargo volume I believe, with Korean Air Cargo second. Basically, the air cargo carriers like Lufthansa Cargo, Korean Air Cargo, Singapore Air Cargo, and even carriers that ONLY carry cargo like Cargolux of Luxembourg and Polar Air Cargo of the US are in a different category than the "integrated carriers" like Fed Ex, UPS and DHL. The integrated carriers handle all parts of the process. They pick up the freight, load it onto their own planes at the local airport, fly into their hub cities (e.g., Memphis for Fed Ex and Louisiville for UPS), sort the freight for its destination, load it onto the same plane that flew in from that city, fly to the destination, and then deliver the freight with their own employees. Unfortunately, with the expansion of these integrated carriers around the world and their movement into larger freight, they have forced many air cargo carriers to join with freight forwarders and custom brokers if they want to create the same "seamless" service that the integrated carriers can provide. Thus the creation of WOW and agreements between airlines and large shipping companies.

Hope I didn't bore you with all this info, when all you asked was how I determined which air cargo airline was the biggest? :) :runaway:
No absolutely not. I appreciate the info! ;)

I am just curious, because even if UPS and company have intergrated and dedicated systems, how come they still end up ranking lower then the air cargo carriers in rankings I saw based on cargo volume, despite the obvious differences as you clearly explained above?

Regarding Cargo Volume, the only thing I can think of without seeing the actual statistics is that much of UPS and Fed Ex's Cargo is Express Mail. Those very thin envelopes that you stick 5 sheets of paper in to go halfway around the world. Otherwise, I would have to see the statistics and read what they say on the bottom, where the small print is.

By the way, if you look at ACI at http://www.airports.org they will list airports ranked by cargo movement. Memphis, Tennessee, is number one and that is just Fed Ex's main hub; they have others like Paris Charles De Gaulle and one in the Philippines, I believe. Louisiville, Kentucky, is number 12 in the world and that is UPS's main hub and they have a lot of minor hubs throughout the US, as well as Cologne, Germany, and also one in Asia.

Yeap. Otherwise there is simply no reason why a mid-sized city like Memphis should end up toping the table at all! :D

I am still trying to find that table listing the airlines in terms of cargo carried. Saw it a few months ago, and I cant remember the source now! :bash: :rant:

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Have you finish your revamp version of your route map?? ;)

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Have you finish your revamp version of your route map?? ;)
Hmm......still under construction leh. :lol: Or maybe I should just ditch the aded frills for now, since there has been some changes to the route map already.

I am wondering if I should add code-shared flights too. So many other airlines love to "cheat" by adding those! :D

Hmm......still under construction leh. :lol: Or maybe I should just ditch the aded frills for now, since there has been some changes to the route map already.

I am wondering if I should add code-shared flights too. So many other airlines love to "cheat" by adding those! :D

If you add code share flights, would it be like overcrowded?? :lol:

If you add code share flights, would it be like overcrowded?? :lol:
Haha...crowded in only certain locations like within Europe etc. Actually the number of codeshared flights is still not humongously unmangeable yet.

If you draw a map on airlines hubbing in Singapore, won't it be overcrowded at the small red dot??:lol:

If you draw a map on airlines hubbing in Singapore, won't it be overcrowded at the small red dot??:lol:
Oh...the thing is more of the codeshares are actually the shorter routes within specific regions like in Europe, North America, and so on mah. So they dont really cluster round the already congested SEA area. :D

Nick was kind enough to send the following to me via PM, so let me share it with all of you for everyone's benefit, if he dosent mind! ;)

Huaiwei, I know you were trying to remember the details of Singapore Airlines flight to Toronto, Canada that ended over ten years ago. I ran across the info. The routing for Singapore Airlines was Singapore-Vienna-Amsterdam-Toronto with return the same. They used a 747. Singapore Airlines cancelled the flight in July of 1992. Air Canada also operated a flight from Toronto-London(Heathrow)-Mumbai-Singapore. Air Canada ended the flight in 1990.
Thanks so much, nick! Could you by any chance tell me where you saw that? This is just to double confirm, so that I can add it formally to my records! ;)

yup that short-lived service to Toronto is little known

I still remember the ads from long ago though, a whole page of red maple leaves :)

yup that short-lived service to Toronto is little known

I still remember the ads from long ago though, a whole page of red maple leaves :)
Jeez...I have no visual recollection of that. I must have missed it, or have not really paid that much attention to newspapers at that time? :D

Where there any televised advertisements of that route actually? I would have tought its rather significant?

Great work Huaiwei.


btw, I noted that most of the asian airlines don't have flights to South América, the only one I know is JAL, do you know anymore?

:okay:

Great map Huaiwei!! :)

Great work Huaiwei.


btw, I noted that most of the asian airlines don't have flights to South América, the only one I know is JAL, do you know anymore?

:okay:
Wow I almost forgot about this thread! Thanks for saving it, guys! ;)

Hmm...yea that is true. The only Southeast Asian airline which flies to South America is Malaysian Airlines, which flies to Buenos Aires I think.

Singapore Airlines has the rights to fly to Chile due to an open skies policy which was also worked out with the US, so in theory, it can fly to the US, and then onwards to Santiago, for example. I suppose it is just a matter of time? ;)

I thought SIA flew to Pakistan, only to see Karachi and Lahore were suspended, why?

I thought SIA flew to Pakistan, only to see Karachi and Lahore were suspended, why?
Hmm...it was first suspended due to the conflict going on in that region a few years ago. It was reinstated, then suspended again due to SARS. I am not sure if they are going to resume flights again?

Hmm...it was first suspended due to the conflict going on in that region a few years ago. It was reinstated, then suspended again due to SARS. I am not sure if they are going to resume flights again?

Emm.....Pakistan leader coming to Singapore soon......maybe this might result in the flight being resumed?? :D

06 May 2005

Pakistan PM Shaukat Aziz to visit Singapore

SINGAPORE : Pakistan Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz will make his first official visit to Singapore from Tuesday.

His three-day visit is at the invitation of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

He will be accompanied by his wife.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz will meet Mr Lee Hsien Loong, President S R Nathan, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.

Prime Minister Lee will host an official dinner in honour of Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz will also deliver the Second Distinguished Visitor Lecture organised by the Institute of South Asian Studies.

He will speak on "Promoting an Environment of Security and Cooperation in Asia." - CNA/de

Copyright © 2005 MCN International Pte Ltd

Was that suspended Durban service cargo/passenger route? Or both?

Or was it via Jo'burg?...Can not seem to remember Durban having direct international (passenger) service...mmm :)

Hm...SIA dosent fly to Durban anymore, be it direct or otherwise..used to be passenger flights I believe? Recently there is a call to re-establish those long-gone flights! :D

Durban?? Hmm....i guess they would resume if there is demand for it.....:yes:

i brought this up in one of the threads (can't remember where n which one) that SIA used to fly to Bahrain (as a stop-over for fueling etc b4 the onward journey to London presumably)

and the response that i rcvd (won't mention name here) was stg like this; SIA cud not live up to the competition with Gulf AIr.. now, that has got 2b an unimaginable joke.. ha haaaa SIA and Gulf AIr? hua hua hua... anyway, any news if SIA is thinking of flying here again in the near future?

i brought this up in one of the threads (can't remember where n which one) that SIA used to fly to Bahrain (as a stop-over for fueling etc b4 the onward journey to London presumably)

and the response that i rcvd (won't mention name here) was stg like this; SIA cud not live up to the competition with Gulf AIr.. now, that has got 2b an unimaginable joke.. ha haaaa SIA and Gulf AIr? hua hua hua... anyway, any news if SIA is thinking of flying here again in the near future?

I think SIA will fly to Bahrain if there is demand.....:yes: