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redstone
July 10th, 2004, 05:14 AM
CONSERVATION, FOR THE FUTURE ; PRESERVATION, FOR THE HERITAGE
There are thousands of amazing buildings that had been sadly overlooked for preservation, find them here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=80876).We must not repeat those mistakes again.As a result, I'm starting a thread for the preservation of built heritage.

Our Conservation Areas:
http://www.ura.gov.sg/conservation/mod2.htm

For conservation info and/or suggestion of buildings to be conserved, contact Urban Redevelopement Authority at ura_cons@ura.gov.sg

List of National Monuments:

1 The Old Thong Chai Medical Institution
http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1984/tongji9id.jpg
2 Armenian Church
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/4025/arm166vf.jpg
3 St Andrew's Cathedral
http://img203.exs.cx/img203/4551/sa105ux.jpg
4 Telok Ayer Market
5 Thian Hock Keng
6 Sri Mariamman Temple
7 Hajjah Fatimah Mosque
8 Cathedral of the Good Shepherd
9 Nagore Durgha (Shrine)
10 Al-brar Mosque
11 House of Tan Yeok Nee
12 Tan Si Chong Su
13 Jamae Mosque
14 Sultan Mosque
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/520/tcv29ci.jpg
15 St George's Church
http://img138.exs.cx/img138/5987/20030927152838aa3of.jpg
16 Hong San See
17 Sri Perumal Temple
18 Abdul Gaffoor Mosque
http://www.pbase.com/image/38058422.jpg
19 Siong Lim Temple (+ Cheng Huang Temple)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/redstone/Shuang%20Lin/centralhall.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/redstone/Shuang%20Lin/chenghuang.jpg
20 Raffles Hotel
http://img203.exs.cx/img203/2365/clipboard288gb.jpg
21 Telok Ayer Chinese Methodist Church
22 Goodwood Park Hotel (Tower Block)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/2/103xmas.jpg
23 CHIJMES Hall and Caldwell House
24 Istana and Sri Temasek
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/pjccuk/Singapore/Istana01.jpg
http://img141.exs.cx/img141/6696/is9ci.jpg
25 City Hall
26 Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/504/103col5.jpg
27 Old Parliament House and Annex Building
http://photo.starblvd.net/Raffles/4-5-4-1084214310?m=1&pg=3&ro=4&co=3
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/504/103col2.jpg
28 Supreme Court
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/681/ee8am.jpg
29 Empress Place Building
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/5543/acm1ja.jpg
30 National Museum
http://www.jellesen.dk/webcrea/places/sing/64x.jpg
31 Singapore Art Museum
32 The Old Attorney-General's Chambers
33 Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall
http://img105.exs.cx/img105/7849/sunyatsen.jpg
34 Yueh Hai Ching Temple
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/redstone/Yue%20Hai%20Ching/yhctemp.jpg
35 Maghain Aboth Synagogue
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/syng2.jpg
36 The Old Ministry of Labour Building
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/oldb.jpg
37 Asian Civilisations Museum (Old Tao Nan School)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/504/103taonan.jpg
38 Chesed-El Synagogue
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/7910/chesed.jpg
39 The Old Hill Street Police Station
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/mita.jpg
40 Ying Fo Fui Kun
41 Central Fire Station
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/504/103fire_station.jpg
42 The Old Nanyang University Library, Administration Building, Memorial and Arch
43 The Chinese High School Clock Tower Building


Prinsep Street Presbyterian Church
Tan Teck Guan Building
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/redstone2/ttgb.jpg
College of Medicine Building
http://img196.exs.cx/img196/6605/collemed1ld.jpg
Cathay Building wall
Changi Prison wall
MacDonald House
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/redstone2/Orchard/mdhse.jpg
Old Admiralty House
Church of Saints Peter & Paul
Church of Saint Joseph
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/2700/dscn384911ot.jpg
Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Church of Our Lady of Lourdes
Tou Mu Kung Temple
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/9803/jh15sd.jpg

babystan03
July 10th, 2004, 05:18 AM
It looks rather unique...:).....though it has the "haunted" look now..... :runaway:

RafflesCity
July 10th, 2004, 05:21 AM
I remember me and frens were speculating that the old house behind Tanglin Mall was haunted.

The colour orange so obiang, but not as scary as the Red House at Pasir Ris...:runaway:

Seriously they should renovate it and turn it into a disco.
:dance:

redstone
July 10th, 2004, 05:24 AM
To me the first 2 houses are masterpieces, should be preserved.There are several house in Katong in the same, but 'simplier' style.

huaiwei
July 15th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Ermm....what is SPI? The bunch of ppl who hunt down ghosts here ah?

redstone
July 16th, 2004, 07:58 AM
Yup.

Looks like the old Cathay.Should be preserved.

RafflesCity
July 16th, 2004, 11:58 AM
Some info on that orange house - its called Chee Guan Chiang House built in 1938.

architect - Ho Kwong Yew

"The design is distinctly Modern in its language, and is influenced by the architecture of the Weissenhof Siedlung in Stuttgart in 1927 and by Erich Mendelsohn's design for the De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill (UK) in 1935. The house has a plan that employs a semi-circular 'bow window' on an axis in a similar manner to the Bexhill pavilion."

-Singapore Architecture

redstone
July 16th, 2004, 12:07 PM
I'll email the Preservations of Monuments Board to suggest their preservation.:)

RafflesCity
July 16th, 2004, 12:16 PM
do they actually reply?

redstone
July 16th, 2004, 12:18 PM
I sent out 3 times.

I suggested Clifford Pier, 19 Cecil Street, Ogilvy Centre, Capitol Building & Cinema, St Joseph's Church, Horsburgh Lighthouse, Sultan Shoal Lighthouse, Raffles Lighthouse, Cavenagh, Anderson & Elgin Bridges, Balestier Seventh-Day Adventist Church, St James Powerhouse, Bowyer Block Clock Tower (SGH), Old KK Hospital, Alexandra Hosp., Old Kallang Airport Building, AI Building, Old Bank of China Building, Old New World Entrance arch and Beaulieu House (I kinda forgot the others) as National Monuments.

They do reply.:)

RafflesCity
July 16th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Thats quite a lot of diversity!

redstone
July 16th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Although I doubt the AI and BOC would be preserved, I still try.

Bowyer is in a pathetic state.Once a grand Neo-Classical building, remained Neo-Cassical is clock tower and the lobby.

baqthier
July 16th, 2004, 12:46 PM
wow! Who own them? They are quite a number of abandoned colonial-era mansions in KL too. There is a big one beside zouk kl and the owners refused to sell the land. If I were them, I'll do what Raffles suggested :D. The first private house in KL to receive electricity is also abandoned but preserved.

redstone
July 16th, 2004, 12:49 PM
No idea.The plot is actually super-big.

Cliff
July 16th, 2004, 03:24 PM
Are the first two mansions in the same compound?
Actually, with renovation, the first two can be turned into amazing houses, glassy facades and all, with some designer furniture to complete the posh urban look.
Change the balcony railings to glass, paint it pure white, break the wall behind the balcony and build an open living area with B&B's UP 2000 series.
http://www.bebitalia.it/catalogo/prodotti/tools/059/foto.jpg

The last one can be turned into a high-end asian restaurant.

redstone
July 16th, 2004, 04:12 PM
http://matt.peterson.org/photo/rtw_2002/singapore/cityscape2.jpg
Can be seen at the right, along with the Tangs' house, which will be sold.All 3 mansions have the address of 25 Grange Road, in the same compound.

redstone
July 17th, 2004, 05:16 AM
I received an odd email from the NHB that says to call the Executive Secretary of the PMB personally so as "It would help expedite our evaluation if you could share your views with us".

What does it mean?I had emailed them like the 4th time name, using my real name.

babystan03
July 17th, 2004, 05:38 AM
Perhaps they want you to call them instead of e-mailing??? :)

redstone
July 17th, 2004, 05:41 AM
Wonder why?

RafflesCity
July 17th, 2004, 05:42 AM
ask them to come to SSC :D

redstone
July 17th, 2004, 05:52 AM
I just emailed back, with some more info and saying that I'd like to be unseen and unheard with the exception with my name.:)

Monkey
July 17th, 2004, 05:52 AM
redstone, thank you so much for bringing another Singapore preservation issue to our attention! :okay:

You're right, particularly the first two villas are exceptionally fine buildings that should be refurbished. :) It's a pity they are in such a sad state! :( Can you write down the email address of that Preservation of Monuments Board for me, please? I'd like to write to them and urge restoration of these beauties. :horse:

And if you're going to call the PMB's Executive Secretary as was suggested to you, I wish you great and persuasive oratory skills! :angel1:

redstone
July 17th, 2004, 08:11 AM
WH, it is so rare that a foreigner would be interested in the preservations of buildings in another country!

Go here, use the template.'Designation' enter Preservations of Monuments Board:
http://www.mita.gov.sg/contactus.html

sOmeOne
July 17th, 2004, 09:03 AM
This is the first time I see some mess in Singapore :D

redstone
July 17th, 2004, 09:15 AM
http://www.spi.com.sg/haunted/song_sis_house/pic_abduct/faces.jpg
A scary shot of it.All three houses have a reputation of being haunted.Might be rumours, but take a look at this picture closely.

babystan03
July 17th, 2004, 09:34 AM
^
I thought I saw "faces" at the windows....or was it my eye playing tricks on me........ :runaway:

redstone
July 17th, 2004, 09:42 AM
Yup.Scary, huh!Wonder if they are real.

babystan03
July 17th, 2004, 09:53 AM
The face feels like that Japan movie Ju-on...... :runaway:

RafflesCity
July 17th, 2004, 01:41 PM
well if it came from that SPI website I bet they added stuff to the pic ;)

redstone
July 19th, 2004, 10:34 AM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980005100-8073-3222-4796/img0077.jpg
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980006066-8120-3181-2096/img0028.jpg
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980006066-8120-3181-2096/img0029.jpg
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980006066-8120-3181-2096/img0031.jpg
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980006066-8120-3181-2096/img0032.jpg
Check this out!

Tyersall Avenue is a winding one-way road beside the Botanic Gardens.When driving along it, take a look to your right, there is this huge overgrown gate with an arch over it.That is the entrance to this amazing residence, which belonged to the Sultan of Johore.

Monkey
July 19th, 2004, 10:46 AM
What a scoop, redstone! :)

The Sultan of Jahore lived an enchanted life! :cool:

I'm just amazed at the palace's reflection in the water shown in the first picture--the water seems to be so far away from the building! :eek:

Also, I'm afraid I see no correlation between the building shown in your 1st picture and the succeeding ones. :( Yet it remains a beautiful building! :okay: I just LOVE those blue roof shingles! :okay:

redstone
July 19th, 2004, 11:08 AM
On seeing so many grand houses like the Eu Villa being overlooked and demolished, I've decided to be on the lookout for grand old mansions with architecture value.If you come across any houses which fit to the description, please post pictures, if possible here.Also state the road name and if possible the house number.

I would email the Preservations of Monuments Board to suggest for their preservation.Thanks a lot!

redstone
July 19th, 2004, 11:18 AM
I just identified Gallop Road, where there are still some huge villas.

redstone
July 19th, 2004, 12:05 PM
Help???

RafflesCity
July 19th, 2004, 01:31 PM
That area at Nassim Rd and Botanic Gardens where there are embassies has several old mansions I believe. Chancery Lane might have some. But then what if some of these are being occupied? Hard to tell sometimes....

redstone
July 19th, 2004, 03:31 PM
What does the former French Embassy look like?

RafflesCity
July 19th, 2004, 03:52 PM
I dunno, but I think the Israeli embassy (next to the Singapore Art Museum) looks stunning although I wouldnt wanna take pics of it.

redstone
July 19th, 2004, 03:55 PM
I think I've seen it.The URA is like 'cheating'.Meaning preserving only parts of a building rather than the whole.

Monkey
July 20th, 2004, 04:02 AM
Redstone, thank you for giving me the link for contacting the SG Preservation of Monuments Board! :) I have produced some ringing prose in the meantime that I'm eager to send them.

But I've got a problem: on that form there are some "required fields that are marked with a *. I have no problem at all with giving them my name, email etc., but how do I get the required "Contact No" * ? :? :dunno:

I would be grateful for any help you could give me. :wave: If you want to see it, I'll be glad to share with you what I plan to send.

huaiwei
July 20th, 2004, 04:21 AM
Sorry for me budging in, but WH, that field will have to be your local residential, or if you prefer, an office or even a mobile number.

And I am indeed warmed to know that you are going to contribute actively to this effort! And redstone, it is actually not uncommon for foreign friends to chip in. Many tourists from all over have indeed writtern to the authorities making plenty of suggestions and contributions to what they feel ought to be retained or enhanced. Occasionally, these suggestions do appear as letters to the press too. Whatever the case, their views, including WH, will be accorded with as much attention as a local's would I am sure!

:)

huaiwei
July 20th, 2004, 04:34 AM
I dont seem to see much corelation between the postcard and the real thing either. Has the building been extensively renovated before or something?

huaiwei
July 20th, 2004, 04:39 AM
Seems like the few huge bungalows slated for preservation and state protection are the clusters at Mountbatten road, and a few more in Changi, the Northeastern area, and so on.

Be mindful that just because they were huge disused bungalows, they might not mean much if they were preserved thou. What I found more saddening, instead, was a corner shophouses very near my home which was demolished years ago due to the road interchange construction. It had the building construction date on its front facade.....in the early 1900s if I remember correctly.

redstone
July 20th, 2004, 09:59 AM
I searched Tyersall on A2O and these came out under the same title.I think it is the same house, from different angles.

redstone
July 20th, 2004, 10:01 AM
WH, when I email them, I just put a dash at the Contact Number.;)

redstone
July 20th, 2004, 10:03 AM
It is kinda strange that URA took note of the humble shophouse but overlooked the grand huge Eu Villa, which was very visible from the surrounding area.

huaiwei
July 20th, 2004, 10:37 AM
Perhaps, but if you look properly, key architectural features of the two structures are too different to look convincingly similar.

redstone
July 20th, 2004, 10:39 AM
I already suggested for its preservation.Hope it'll be open to the oublic in a few year's time, though.

RafflesCity
July 20th, 2004, 04:51 PM
It looks like some magic cottage of a fairy tale of sorts! :eek:

Is it owned by the present Sultan of Johor?

Monkey
July 20th, 2004, 06:02 PM
Lol, redstone! :) And thanks, Huaiwei, for enlightening me. I thought that contact# business had to do with some number in their office. :doh:

OK, I'll send them my message right now then. :horse:

baqthier
July 20th, 2004, 08:23 PM
no idea, but it looks great! Though abandoned, the area seems mantained well.

redstone
July 21st, 2004, 10:51 AM
Those pictures are like 20 years old.

redstone
July 21st, 2004, 01:51 PM
So far I had suggested suggested Clifford Pier, 19 Cecil Street, Ogilvy Centre, Capitol Building & Cinema, St Joseph's Church, Horsburgh Lighthouse, Sultan Shoal Lighthouse, Raffles Lighthouse, Cavenagh, Anderson & Elgin Bridges, Balestier Seventh-Day Adventist Church, St James Powerhouse, Bowyer Block Clock Tower (SGH), Old KK Hospital, Alexandra Hosp., Old Kallang Airport Building, AI Building, Old Bank of China Building, Old New World Entrance arch and Beaulieu House (I kinda forgot the others) as National Monuments.

Also 25 Grange Road, Sha Villa, 27 St Thomas Walk.

I would also suggest Tong Xian Tng at Devonshire Road soon.

Cliff
July 21st, 2004, 03:11 PM
I don't know the name, but there are some nice colonial bungalows near this chinese cemetary around Thomson? area.

huaiwei
July 21st, 2004, 03:24 PM
I don't know the name, but there are some nice colonial bungalows near this chinese cemetary around Thomson? area.
You refering to Mount Pleasant Road?

redstone
July 21st, 2004, 05:08 PM
Somewhere at Sime Road area?

There's a small little Chinese temple at Thomson Road, near Pierce Secondary School.Looks very old.Anyone knows the date?

heirloom
July 21st, 2004, 09:19 PM
wow! why on earth is it abandoned?!

Monkey
July 22nd, 2004, 09:05 PM
In answer to Raffi's question whether one gets a response when writing to the SG Preservation of Monuments Board, redstone said:

They do reply.:)

Indeed they do! :) The weird thing is that they say it's a "system generated" reply that I shouldn't respond to, yet they refer to specific things I said in my message. Must be a very smart system! ;)

Cliff
July 23rd, 2004, 03:28 PM
You refering to Mount Pleasant Road?
YES!!!!

RafflesCity
July 23rd, 2004, 04:03 PM
There are at least 4 black and white bungalows along Scotts Rd next to Hotel Asia. They are not abandoned though, one is used by a car rental co. and another is an Indonesian restaurant.

redstone
July 23rd, 2004, 04:29 PM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980005120-8073-3222-4724/img0031.jpg
God is this beauty still around?This is Katong Park.

redstone
July 23rd, 2004, 04:30 PM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980005108-8073-3222-5042/img0080.jpg
And THIS?

redstone
July 23rd, 2004, 04:32 PM
There are many old villas and mansions in Katong.Someone help me take pics, not the address and tell me or email the PMB!
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980005913-8120-3181-1793/img0069.jpg

redstone
July 25th, 2004, 08:17 AM
789 Mountbatten Road, a small villa that looks like a simplified Goodwood Park Hotel.

777 Mountbatten Road, a gigantic mansion.Not sure if it is really old or just built in an old style.

171 Meyer Road.A recentely empty small villa.Looks like the Indian High Commission building.

Monkey
July 25th, 2004, 08:56 AM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980005120-8073-3222-4724/img0031.jpg
God is this beauty still around?This is Katong Park.

I have nothing against that kiddie playground, but what's that horrid white structure doing there? :rant: Looks like an oversized concrete satellite dish that someone smashed into the ground because it was malfunctioning. :bash:

redstone
July 26th, 2004, 11:07 AM
Anyone interested in organising a petition to save it?

Perhaps someone with lots of contacts could help?

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 11:51 AM
Anyone interested in organising a petition to save it?

Perhaps someone with lots of contacts could help?
Isnt there a small discussion about this before?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 12:35 PM
Um, no?

Seriously, anyone interested?

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 12:37 PM
I am not particularly geered towards doing it..considering that fact that they did conceed to calls for presevation and are at least retaining that front wall and entrance...the most visible part of the prison?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Hey, that's like cheating.

Like anyhow preserve.

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 12:41 PM
Hey, that's like cheating.

Like anyhow preserve.
Well....we gotta see the plans first before we can really comment on that I suppose. And its not like a petetion can do much right now....the prison has been under reconstruction for months. If anyone wanted to do a petition, doing it earlier would have made it so much more feasible?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 12:43 PM
I don't think 'for months', though.

Maybe we should save what's left of it?At least preserve the clock tower?

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Yeah, and at the expense of national security?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Why?!

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 12:54 PM
You are talking about consolidating ALL the prisons in Singapore into one mega complex. This involves throwing in any prisoner from the shoplifter to the serial murderer in one location. Surely, priority has to be given towards ensuring that the later are kept in check under any circumstance, and having to work around existing facilities will most likely compromise on this by some degree, wont you agree?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 12:58 PM
I ment preserving the clock tower in addition to the wall and gate, the tower is the most visible structure from far.

Build an extension block behind it lah!

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:03 PM
I have never seen the clock tower...and maybe you can enlighten us about that tower's significance.

The wall and gate are much more significant in people's collective memories. Afterall, its the gates you go through when entering the world of capitivity and when regaining your freedom.

I think you dont seem to graps the magnitude of this development. The ENTIRE prison complex needs to be totally rebuilt to fit in all the prisoners from over 10 prisons existing right now. And it needs to be spacially reconfigured in line with advances in prison design and security issues. How is that possible by merely building one extension block, and where are we going to find that space btw?

Its not about expanding a school here!

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:09 PM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980005075-8073-3222-4822/img0055.jpg
http://www.petrowilliamus.co.uk/murals/museum/pictures/prison-02.jpg
http://www.petrowilliamus.co.uk/murals/museum/pictures/prison-01.jpg
I wonder why is it so massive.

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:12 PM
Massive in terms of the clock tower or the complex?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:14 PM
The tower.

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Maybe they are worried that fanatics will launch missiles at it?

Anyway, if you have not seen it before, go to this site to look at renderings of the new complex:

http://www.prisons.gov.sg/M_cpc.htm

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:21 PM
Brother, it had been there for 68 years liao, even during WWII, nothing happened to it!:D

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Oh coz...and so for that alone, it deserves to continue standing?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Yes of course, why not?

As I said, it is the most visible structure there from far, and no doubt the tallest tower in the area, perhaps the whole of Singapore then.

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:30 PM
...........

Go see the link I provided and then come back to me.

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:31 PM
Yah, what's the problem?

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:33 PM
Yah, what's the problem?
Whats the problem??? :bash:

Well tell me how does your preservation of the tower and "adding a block" factor in this development!?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:35 PM
Okay lor.No new blocks to the old one.

The preservation of the clock tower is the next best alternative.:)

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:37 PM
Perhaps, but it dosent seem necesary anymore in today's technology, whereby u dont need to have someone standing there to watch over everyone anymore?

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 01:39 PM
Preserve it for historical sakes!

You might as well say to tear down the clock tower on Old Vic since nowadays almost everyone wear watches?

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 01:46 PM
Preserve it for historical sakes!

You might as well say to tear down the clock tower on Old Vic since nowadays almost everyone wear watches?
Well....look at things in proper context here. Not every clock tower is worthy for presevation. Not every bungalow needs to be preserved too. Not because we just need a few "representations," but because not all of them are of equal or significant value.

I would support this petition if you could argue that this tower is of equal or more importance then that at Victoria Concert Hall.

redstone
July 27th, 2004, 02:05 PM
As I said, it was one of the tallest, if not the tallest towers in Singapore at the time.

As you said, people pass through the gate.And so they would gaze at the tower.I'm sure they'll remember the time for the rest of their lives.


This isn't a debate here.:)
You might as well say to only preserve one or two shophouses to 'represent' the others?

huaiwei
July 27th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Well, do you have factual basis to claim that this is the tallest tower at any point of its existance? So far, you seem to basically call anything and everything "tallest." Dosent seem to lend alot of weight into your views.

If you look back at what I just said, I didnt call for the presevation of one or two "representative" structures either.

huaiwei
August 6th, 2004, 10:20 PM
Rustic houses

MAY I know what, if any, are the plans for the abandoned kampung houses on Pulau Ubin? It saddens me to see them rotting away.

GEORGE HITCHINS

redstone
August 7th, 2004, 11:22 AM
Perhaps we should have a Pulau Ubin Conservation Area?

To preserve the very last remaining kampongs or rural villages in Singapore!

redstone
August 13th, 2004, 04:54 PM
I just suggested Seletar Camp and Portsdown areas as Conservation Areas.:)

When I suggest Pulau Ubin to be a conservation area, the URA replied that the island, under 2001 Concept Plan, the planning intention is to keep Pulau Ubin as Reserve and Open Space. The island will be kept in its current rustic and natural state for as long as it is not needed for development.


And yet villagers are being evicted? :bash:

redstone
August 16th, 2004, 03:38 PM
Does anyone if Kiu Leong Tong (241 Cantonment Road) is preserved?
http://www.sfcca.org.sg/limstcs/images/photo-citang.gif

It is an amazingly rather unknown Neo-Classical beauty.

The full name is:
新加坡林氏大宗祠九龙堂家族自治会

or:
Singapore Lim See Tai Chong Soo Kiu Leong Tong
Family self-Management Association

Quite a mouthful!

heirloom
August 16th, 2004, 04:16 PM
i only see pretty scary reflections... btu that does not convince me its haunted... scary though

heirloom
August 16th, 2004, 04:17 PM
oops i was referring to the haunted house pic

redstone
August 16th, 2004, 04:18 PM
I seems that hardly anyone knows 241 Cantonment.:(

Blabbyboy
August 17th, 2004, 10:46 AM
I think those 3 houses in the first post are in the "moderne" style (1930s, following art deco), not "modern" style (1950s). They are amazing and should be preserved as a matter of priority for the sake of Singapore's future. The land would be extremely valuable, but I'm sure that there could be many uses for those old surviving mansions, including the former Sultan of Johor's palace. I love them and can't believe how many still survive!!! What I don't understand is how they have been left until that state. It reminds me of the many 1930s mansions along the Melaka coastline on the way into town, you can see mansion after mansion overgrown by the jungle, right next to the coast. Beautiful, haunting, sad.

redstone
August 17th, 2004, 12:15 PM
There' many unknown grand villas here.

There used to be literally hundreds.But, sadly most of them are gone, somehow overlooked for preservation, including those houses at Grange.

I'm shocked that they are actually not preserved, but for some miracle still stands today in the most prestigious district admist towering skyscrapers.

redstone
August 19th, 2004, 01:13 PM
I just suggested Kew Ong Yah Temple, Kiu Leong Tong and the Tower of Changi Prison for preservation. :)

redstone
August 19th, 2004, 01:20 PM
Temple in legal tussle to be torn down

Wrangle over property ends with Taoist federation being made trustee. Temple will be rebuilt

By Tanya Fong

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2004-08-19/h7a1.jpg

THE 83-year-old Kew Ong Yah temple which was at the centre of a legal tussle in 2001 will be demolished in about two years' time and rebuilt.


The Singapore Taoist Federation, now in charge of the landmark, explained that it has to pull it down because of the state of the building at Upper Serangoon Road.

Said its chairman, Mr Tan Thiam Lye, 55: 'It's so old, even the cement on the roof has worn off, and when it rains, it leaks.

'The temple has a long history. Its spirit must be preserved.'

The foundation was made the temple's trustee by the Attorney-General's Chambers last Friday. It has set up a 10-man pro-tem committee to manage the place.
Mr Tan said in Mandarin: 'We have registered as a society and are awaiting confirmation. Meanwhile, we are managing the temple and busy planning the ninth lunar month festive celebrations on Oct 13 and Oct 14.'

The reconstruction of the 'nine-emperor God' temple, which will be done on the 3,066 sq m site, is expected to cost $4 million.

Part of the bill is expected to be paid with donations from devotees, a number of whom come from Malaysia to worship there.

Most are particularly generous during the deity's festival, which is in the ninth month of the lunar calendar.

Last year, the collection came to about $200,000 during this period.

The temple's demolition could deal the final blow to the already fragile ties in a family that have been the place's trustees since it was built by their ancestors in 1921.

The family, the Ongs, have been living in a four-bedroom bungalow on the grounds all this while.

When Mr Ong Yew Kew, 70, became the temple's caretaker in 1965, a bitter feud erupted between him and his late brother's family over the property.

Said Mr Ong's nephew, crane operator Ong Pang Sim, 52, in Mandarin: 'Soon after he took over, he split the family house we shared into two parts.

'He had two rooms and a living room in the front part of the house, while my mother and eight siblings lived in the other two rooms at the back.'

He claimed that his uncle also put up a partition to separate the two families' areas, forcing his to use the back door as their main entrance.

'We had countless fights over which side and how much space we should have of the house,' he added.

Then, in 1978, Mr Ong Yew Kew built a second bungalow, next to the original house. One of the front rooms of the old place was extended as a passageway to the new three-room home, which was fenced in.

He took the land dispute further in 1984 by going to court and claiming that he was the sole legal owner of the land. The High Court agreed in 2001.

But the AG's Chambers, in its capacity as the Protector of Charities, stepped in and opposed his claim in November 2001.

It appealed to have the case re-tried on the grounds that the temple was open to the public, and that the donations and offerings were collected for its maintenance.

It described the temple as a 'charitable trust' and argued that it should be registered under the Charities Act with new trustees appointed. The High Court ruled in its favour in 2002.

The feuding Ongs have agreed to move out, said the foundation's Mr Tan, adding: 'We won't chase them out. They still have a few years.'

None of the Ongs are on the new trustee's committee to run the temple.

When The Straits Times visited Mr Ong Yew Kew and his wife at his bungalow last Sunday, they declined to be interviewed.

redstone
August 19th, 2004, 01:28 PM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19990001279-8346-3102-2057/img0043.jpg
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19990001279-8346-3102-2057/img0048.jpg
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19990001279-8346-3102-2057/img0053.jpg
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RafflesCity
August 21st, 2004, 01:34 PM
That temple sure looks grand but could do with a cleanup and repaint.

redstone
August 21st, 2004, 03:16 PM
Shuang Lin looked was in the same state last time, I think.

Look at it now.So grand and stunning.

By the way that photo was taken like 20 years ago, as it now surrounded by highrises.

RafflesCity
August 21st, 2004, 03:41 PM
20 years ago?! I suppose it must be in better condition now then...

redstone
August 21st, 2004, 03:43 PM
No.Worse.Look at the pictures from the news.It even said that it'll be knocked down because of its state.

redstone
August 22nd, 2004, 03:24 PM
Well, sad to see Ogilvy Centre was preserved at the last minute.

Nedlloyd House was very amazing, with a cupola at the roof, protuding balconies and an underground carpark!

But it is gone now! :cry:


Orchard Road Conservation Area, at row at MacDonald House is sorta a miracle, conserved only in 2000.

redstone
August 24th, 2004, 10:02 AM
I just read from the SPI forums that the Tyersall mansion was built in 1895.

It was designed by J.F.A. McNair,Colonial Engineer,Surveyor-General, and used by Malcolm MacDonald when he was Commissioner-General for Southeast Asia.

It was being used as an Indian military hospital in February 1942 when,despite Red Crosses painted on the roof,it was bombed and set on fire by the Japanese, killing 700 staff and patients. :eek:

redstone
August 31st, 2004, 03:41 PM
Pierce Road, Mount Pleasant has several interesting bungalows.

Near Pleasant is Singapore Polo Club.

I'll suggest these for conservation.

redstone
September 1st, 2004, 09:00 AM
I want to suggest buildings here for addition to World Heritage List.

Any nominations?


I am going to suggest Changi Prison, Former Ford Factory, Thian Hock Keng and the Syonnan Jinja.

redstone
September 1st, 2004, 09:37 AM
wow! Who own them? They are quite a number of abandoned colonial-era mansions in KL too. There is a big one beside zouk kl and the owners refused to sell the land. If I were them, I'll do what Raffles suggested :D. The first private house in KL to receive electricity is also abandoned but preserved.

Any pictures of them?

I saw one village house with a huge plot of land at Jalan Ampang.Any pictures of that as well?

redstone
September 1st, 2004, 09:40 AM
Any nominations to WH list, anyone?

I'm thinking of Raffles Hotel.I'll send in suggestions when there are several buildings.:)

redstone
September 2nd, 2004, 01:20 PM
Hello?Anyone there?

Monkey
September 5th, 2004, 11:38 PM
Yes, I am! :wave:

Redstone, this story with the temple is incredibly sad. :cry: How can people let such a beautiful building fall into such a sad state? :(

People have a horrible expression here for such thoughtless deterioration of old buildings: "demolition though neglect." :down:

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Don't destroy that temple! :bash: It is a holy place. :angel1:

huaiwei
September 6th, 2004, 12:58 PM
I want to suggest buildings here for addition to World Heritage List.

Any nominations?


I am going to suggest Changi Prison, Former Ford Factory, Thian Hock Keng and the Syonnan Jinja.
As I told you so many times before, the old Changi Prison is already more then half gone. I am not sure if such a structure can still qualify in that list?

huaiwei
September 6th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Pierce Road, Mount Pleasant has several interesting bungalows.

Near Pleasant is Singapore Polo Club.

I'll suggest these for conservation.
The entire Police Academy is down for eventual demolition, and all of Mount Pleasant will see comprehensive development. Good bye to the bungalows (most likely), the polo club, and academy, the florists, and the site of my first home on earth....my kampong! :D

redstone
September 6th, 2004, 01:02 PM
Siao?

Mt Pleasant gonna go soon?! :eek:

Polo Club also?

Sure or not?
No wonder not a conservation area...

huaiwei
September 6th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Siao?

Mt Pleasant gonna go soon?! :eek:

Polo Club also?

Sure or not?
No wonder not a conservation area...
There is such a thing called the Singapore Master Plan and Concept Plan. I think you will do good refering to those constantly as you evaluate individual buildings, because you just have to realise what are the conflicting demands for uses for those pieces of land before you can come up with a viable reasoning for preservation other then just architectural merit alone.

redstone
September 7th, 2004, 04:38 AM
Okay, any suggestions for buildings in Singapore to be World Heritage Sites?

redstone
September 8th, 2004, 11:25 AM
Hello? Anyone out there?

Monkey
September 8th, 2004, 11:34 AM
You already know I'm here, redstone. :) Alas I'm totally useless! :(

RafflesCity
September 8th, 2004, 02:30 PM
Chinatown, Little India?

are these ethnic districts heritage sites? I certianly think so!

redstone
September 8th, 2004, 03:39 PM
I'm thinking of Ford Factory, Changi Prison (requires a miracle :cry: ), Raffles Hotel, Shuang Lim Monastery, Thian Hock Keng, CHIJMES.

Any else?

For areas, perhaps the SIT estate at Tiong Bahru, with Art Deco and Bauhaus housing?

Chinatown?
Little India?
Kandang Kerbau Hospital??? :?

RafflesCity
September 14th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Hmm..are you discussing about heritage SITES or specific BUILDINGS?

I suggested Chinatown and Little India because they contain a collection of historical buildings serving a community that interacts with the city. Another possible example would be Raffles landing site and the colonial buildings around it.

Anyway on the topic of black and white bungalows, here are a row of 4 of them along Scotts Rd :cool:

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/6499/bwbungalow.jpg

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/6493/bwbungalow2.jpg

redstone
September 14th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Beside the new KKH, at Kampong Java Park is a small row of European-looking buildings that do not bear a characteristic of tropical styles.Pure European styled terraced houses.

redstone
September 14th, 2004, 04:35 PM
Both AREAS and BUILDINGS can be World Heritage Sites.

RafflesCity
September 15th, 2004, 01:56 PM
Then the Raffles Hotel is definitely one building that comes to mind.

redstone
September 15th, 2004, 05:02 PM
Well, UNESCO just replied:

Thank you for your email and your interest in UNESCO World Heritage.
As
Singapore is not yet a State Party to the World Heritage Convention
we are
not able to nominate sites from these areas. It is best that you
contact the
Ministry of Culture in your country to put pressure on the government
to
become a member of the UNESCO World Heritage Convention.

:bash:

redstone
September 19th, 2004, 06:16 AM
http://www.spi.com.sg/haunted/song_sis_house/pic/DSCF0097.jpg

http://www.spi.com.sg/haunted/song_sis_house/pic/DSCF0092.jpg

http://www.spi.com.sg/haunted/song_sis_house/pic_abduct/P5210276.jpg

The Grange villas in a very sad state.aTaken by Singapore Paranormal Investigators.

RafflesCity
October 12th, 2004, 06:20 PM
URA to start conserving more post-World War Two buildings

12 Oct 2004

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By Pearl Forss, Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE : This year marks the tenth year of the URA Architectural Heritage Awards. So far 58 projects have received this accolade for restoring historical buildings, most of them from the pre-war era.

From this year URA is looking beyond pre-war buildings to conserving significant post-war areas.


One such area is the Upper Circular Road area.

Buildings here mark the start of Singapore's transformation into a modern city in the 1960s and 70s.

But traditional architecture fused with modern elements is what stole the show at this year's Architectural Heritage Awards.

Gazetted as a national monument in 1992, the majestic Old Parliament is Singapore's oldest building.

It cost the government S$11.5 million to restore the building to its former glory.

"The building is a gazetted national monument and it's also a very historically significant one so there are major constrains that are imposed on the restoration; you can't change very much the facade or some of the major interior spaces," said Peter How, executive vice president of CPG Consultants.

But the architects still managed to transform the parliament chamber into a concert chamber and the library into a blackbox theatre.

The other winner in the Historic Districts and Bungalow Areas category is the building at 733 Mountbatten Road.

Three private property restorations also won for their conservation efforts.

"What is so unique is the sort of variety and differences to approaches in all the three projects. In the first project, 90 Cairnhill Road, the owner made a very interesting intervention to the existing building. For 92 Cairnhill Road, it was more of a complementary approach," said Mark Goh, acting head (conservation) at URA. - CNA

redstone
October 13th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Hmm... any suggestions? :banana:

AI Building, Bank Of China, Tiong Bahru Estate, Short Street flats...?

RafflesCity
October 13th, 2004, 10:00 AM
Yup..suggest all of them! I really dont think the AI and BOC Building will be in danger though.

Facelift for oldest building 'a winner'

13 Oct 2004

SINGAPORE'S oldest building, the Old Parliament House, is among the winners of the URA Architectural Heritage Awards this year.

It was the only national monument among the winners of the competition, which was expanded last year to include projects that successfully fused traditional and modern architectural elements.

The Old Parliament House reopened in March after a $15-million facelift as an arts and heritage centre called The Arts House.

Built originally as a home in 1826, it served as a Parliament house from 1965 to 1999.

Ms Rita Soh, president of the Singapore Institute of Architects, praised 'the very clever transformation of a historic building into a contemporary arts house without destroying its charm and character'.

For instance, Parliament Chamber, along with its original furnishings and fittings, was restored as a concert chamber hall.

Among the other winners of the competition, originally launched in 1995 to honour well-restored monuments and conservation buildings, are three terrace houses - two in Cairnhill and the third in River Valley.

Another winner, a 1927 Mountbatten Road bungalow, impressed Associate Professor Chan Yew Lih of the National University of Singapore's Department of Architecture with its 'painstaking repair'.

Modelled after the concept of kampung living, the main building and garden were kept and integrated with a new two-storey extension to house a three-generation family.

Design consultant Ang Gin Wah is also the owners' son, and lives there with 14 other family members.

He said: 'I'm happy for the conserved house as its former glory and grandeur have been restored, and also for my parents, as this is the result of their perseverance with this rebellious child whom they have supported through architecture school.'

Original furnishings and fittings were retained when Old Parliament House received a facelift.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/staging/h2a.jpg

92 Cairnhill Road was another winner
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/staging/h2b.jpg

The main building and garden of a Mountbatten Road bungalow were integrated with an extension.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/staging/h2c.jpg

redstone
October 13th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Why?

BOC just got its extension tower, but for AI?

Why isn't the AI in danger?
Strangely, no one suggested CP for preservation until it was too late?
Perhaps it was delibrately not conserved?

RafflesCity
October 13th, 2004, 10:03 AM
Post-war buildings to be conserved

13 Oct 2004

http://www.straitstimes.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2004-10-13/p8.jpg

By Tee Hun Ching

MORE buildings - 70 this time in the Upper Circular Road area - have been earmarked for conservation.

But they are not another batch of pre-war shophouses. Instead, many were built in the 1950s and 1960s.

Their selection is a new initiative by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) to conserve key areas and buildings built after World War II.

As Singapore turns 40 next year, it is timely to preserve post-independence landmarks that best capture the aspirations of the time, said National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan yesterday.

He was speaking at the URA Architectural Heritage Awards presentation ceremony at URA Centre, which honoured five winners this year, including the Old Parliament House.

The others are a bungalow at 733 Mountbatten Road and three residential terrace houses at 90 and 92 Cairnhill Road and 7 Kim Yam Road.

The URA will also review controls governing the use of core areas within the historic districts of Chinatown, Kampong Glam and Little India.

Current rules stipulate that these areas be kept for ethnic trades and activities.

A consultation exercise will be held to see if shops such as traditional medicine clinics and remittance outlets could be included to enhance the character of these areas.

There were 23 projects registered for the Architectural Heritage Awards, which mark their 10th anniversary this year.

To commemorate the occasion, the URA has launched a full-colour catalogue titled Architectural Heritage Singapore, which features the 58 winning projects to date.

It is on sale at The URA Centre in Maxwell Road and all major bookstores at $29.90 each.

An exhibition that showcases all the winners of the past decade will also run till Oct 28 at The URA Centre.

redstone
October 13th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Golden Mile Complex, DBS Tower 1, anyone? :D

RafflesCity
October 13th, 2004, 10:18 AM
eewww I was at Golden Mile complex yesterday and its just so eeewww inside....it needs a facelift!

DBS Tower 1? I dont think its in any danger at all.

redstone
October 13th, 2004, 10:19 AM
Oh, and those at Bukit Ho Swee, officially called then Bukit Ho Swee Emergency Flats.

Part of Singapore's public housing history...
But those built in 1952 are gone!
The first highrise housing here...

RafflesCity
October 13th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Oh, and those at Bukit Ho Swee, officially called then Bukit Ho Swee Emergency Flats.

Part of Singapore's public housing history...
But those built in 1952 are gone!
The first highrise housing here...

May I know where the oldest HDB blocks can be found?

I think those at Tiong Bahru are very old.

redstone
October 13th, 2004, 10:43 AM
Upper Pickering Street...

There're some very old ones at Short Street, not sure how old though...

RafflesCity
October 13th, 2004, 10:49 AM
Upper Pickering street..is it opposite the Gallery Hotel near the RiverView?

redstone
October 13th, 2004, 11:00 AM
Opposite Speakers' Corner...
Demolished last year, I think...

redstone
October 14th, 2004, 08:59 AM
Anyone thinks Afro-Asia Centre should be preserved?

I remember seeing an old photo from AI, dating to 1955, which shows the A-A Building.

heirloom
October 14th, 2004, 09:16 AM
i think so! it should be made an art gallery or theatre or something.. uhm or apartments.

redstone
October 14th, 2004, 09:32 AM
There's one unnamed building that looks exactly like it, across the road beside it.

And THAT one?

redstone
October 14th, 2004, 09:33 AM
http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg/buildings/068894_main.jpg
This is Afro-Asia, for those who don't know. :)

heirloom
October 14th, 2004, 09:37 AM
if the one you're talking about is the very coloured one, i think that should just die. not as pretty :)

redstone
October 14th, 2004, 09:40 AM
Are they built together in the same period?
You know?

heirloom
October 14th, 2004, 10:19 AM
they look pretty similar... probably in the same period?

uhm i dont know.

babystan03
October 15th, 2004, 09:12 AM
October 15, 2004

Extreme makeover

Award-winning restoration effort transformed Cairnhill Road terrace house from a dark, stuffy mess to a light and airy property

BEFORE it was restored, 90, Cairnhill Road was a mess of small dark rooms with bad ventilation.

http://www.streats.com.sg/article/data/images/mh041015a.jpg

The two-storey terrace house, located in the Cairnhill Conservation Area and built in the 1930s, wasn't in poor structural condition.

But haphazard renovation by its previous owner had resulted in a house that was gloomy and stuffy, and the original timber floor had been replaced with reinforced concrete.

http://www.streats.com.sg/article/data/images/mh041015a1.jpg

Today, after a bold restoration effort that cost $704,000, the art deco-styled property is a delightful model of modern tropical living.

It is among five pieces of property, including Singapore's oldest building - the Old Parliament House, which were recently named this year's Architectural Heritage Award winners.

http://www.streats.com.sg/article/data/images/mh041015a2.jpg

The award is given by the Urban Redevelopment Authority to recognise monuments and conservation buildings that have been well restored.

Restoration for the Cairnhill house started with a detailed and extensive photographic record of the building, in particular its facade, which was largely intact.

This was to ensure an accurate recreation of the house's original spirit.

http://www.streats.com.sg/article/data/images/mh041015a3.jpg

Among its many highlights was a new timber floor painstakingly built to resemble the original design.

To flood the house with natural light and air, a new central courtyard was created to function as the building's "lungs".

The original stairwell was also repositioned to the centre of the main building to serve as a ventilation chimney for fresh air to flow through the house.

A new, three-storey rear block was added so that a swimming pool could be built on the rooftop.

The result: A bright, airy and modern house with the old-world charm of the 1930s.

Copyright © Singapore Press Holdings, 2004. All rights reserved.

redstone
October 15th, 2004, 09:21 AM
God, the Tyersall House had been abandoned for almost 30 years, as claimed by one forumer at SPI, who sneaked into it, and found phone books dating to 1975! :eek:

redstone
October 15th, 2004, 09:39 AM
Here's what I've suggested so far:
Tiong Bahru SIT flats, white with circular staircases

SIT flats, Old Airport Road

Golden Mile Complex

Afro-Asia Building

Asia Insurance Building

Bank Of China (Old block)

National Aerated Water Building

Flats at Short Street, one of the oldest highrise flats here

Block 53, Toa Payoh Lorong 4

Former Eusoff College

Monkey
October 15th, 2004, 09:28 PM
Thank you for the news about the newly restored home on Cairnhill, babystan! :)

Such private conservation efforts should be encouraged and rewarded, and I'm glad to see it's being done here. :cool:

redstone
October 20th, 2004, 08:40 AM
Hmmm.....

I'm thinking of SCCCI, Yan Kit Swimming Complex, Former Turf Club Grandstand, Polo Club...

Any other suggestions?

RafflesCity
October 20th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Yan Kit swimming pool is still around? I came across a pic of it recently while surfing

redstone
October 20th, 2004, 01:04 PM
Can you put the pic here?

RafflesCity
October 20th, 2004, 01:09 PM
what about the art deco thread?

redstone
October 20th, 2004, 01:15 PM
Oh, put it there. :)

RafflesCity
October 22nd, 2004, 11:46 AM
Alkaff Mansion poised for a new lease of life

22 Oct 2004

STB looking to turn landmark into local, tourist attraction

By VINCE CHONG

(SINGAPORE) Alkaff Mansion, well-remembered for its glittering wedding banquets and social functions before it faded away, may see its former grandeur restored.

http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2004-10-22/vcal22-213543.jpg

Sources told BT that the Singapore Tourism Board (STB) is close to deciding on a plan to rejuvenate the historic landmark in Telok Blangah, although it is yet uncertain if it will be sold or leased out.

Consultants believe the property could fetch anywhere from $3 million to $7 million in an open tender on a lease of 30 years. This estimate is based partly on the price fetched by the revamped Waterboat House at the former Merlion Park. The property, more centrally and visibly located than Alkaff, fetched $9.3 million in a tender sale in 2002.

STB director Chang Chee Pey said yesterday that Alkaff Mansion shows good tourism potential, and that the statutory board aims to 'develop it to become a key draw for both locals and visitors'.

'STB is in the process of evaluating the proposals for the future use of this historic building and we will share the details once they are confirmed,' he said.

Leased to businessman Ong Beng Seng's Hotel Properties (HPL) for 15 years from 1990, Alkaff Mansion quietly ceased its restaurant operations in August last year, but not before attracting attention as a venue for grand private functions. HPL did not extend its lease when it expired earlier in May this year. The property is sited amidst the greenery of Telok Blangah Hill Park.

STB has since been searching for new concepts, sources said, including a spa and hotel.

Knight Frank's executive director Tay Kah Poh thinks 'standalone concepts' are worth exploring. 'It needs to be something like Dempsey and its wine joints, for example, where people go to, even though it may not be that accessible,' he said of the Dempsey Road area popular with wine buffs.

Alkaff Mansion has also been compared to the Fairy Point Hill colonial bungalow near Changi Village. The landmark, designated for recreational and/or hotel use, has been made available for tender on the government's land sale reserve list since January.

Said Chesterton International's associate director Nicholas Mak of Alkaff Mansion: 'It will not be easy finding a taker as it is not as well-located as the Waterboat House. Like Fairy Point Hill, it may be tough finding a taker unless there is a sustainable business concept.'

Another market watcher thinks that as more accountability is put on government agencies to manage their own books, STB could now be more inclined to sell Alkaff Mansion.

'It also depends on the price, for the government may not sell if it's too low,' he said. 'It may even already be too low at a $3-4 million range.'

The mansion was built by the wealthy Alkaff family in the 1920s, who named it Mount Washington and used it to host functions for businessmen, celebrities and dignitaries. The mansion, however, was abandoned some 40 years later.

It was later designated a conservation monument by the government and took its present name.

redstone
October 22nd, 2004, 11:50 AM
Since when was it closed?

redstone
October 24th, 2004, 11:08 AM
Just heard the news, a fort built in 1879 had been found below Katong Park, and they are going to dig it up! :eek:

babystan03
October 24th, 2004, 03:40 PM
Time is GMT + 8 hours
Posted: 24 October 2004 2125 hrs

Fort Tanjong Katong discovered beneath Katong Park
By Rita Zahara, Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE : For generations, Katong Park has been a quiet retreat for Mountbatten residents.

But in the past three weeks, it has become a hot spot for archaelogists and volunteers.

The park has been found to have been built over the old colonial Fort Tanjong Katong where some of its structures still remain buried.

Residents of Mountbatten have often thought their park special, but no one imagined just how.

"I have been passing by this area and not knowing that there is this fort undergound."

"I have been staying here for 15 years but I did not know that there is such a historical place over here...I think that it's very interesting."

"I think it is quite exciting. It is a piece of Singapore's history...we hope it will revive some local interest in helping to resurrect the fort and then hopefully bring some life to Katong Park."

About two years ago, NParks wanted to improve the park - the size of two football fields - especially the bald grass patches.

When they discovered some rock and hard structures beneath the patches, archaelogists from the National University of Singapore were called in.

Lim Chen Sian, Graduate Student of Archaelogy at NUS, said," "When we first excavated here at Katong Park, we aren't very optimistic. We thought perhaps there will only be foundations or a bit of rubble or debris but it turns out to be more than what we expected."

In fact the fort was part of a series of British defensive positions along the southern coast of Singapore.

So far, pieces of glass, pottery and even some old coins have been found but there are still many questions left unanswered.

Archaelogists say that these could be spy holes or even for shooting but it doesn't make sense since a wall is built right next to it.

From historical records, there were two periods of construction. The initial defence work was done in 1879 but it was later upgraded to a fort in 1885.

Associate Professor John N. Miksic, Archaelogist at NUS, said, "There is something about this fort that is only found in Singapore and no where else. On a worldwide scale, looking at the archaelogy of the empire, this is going to be interesting to see how this is going to fit in a worldwide plan."

The team is calling for volunteers to help dig deeper - up to two metres - and the local British community may get involved.

Alan Collins, British High Commissioner, said, "We need to build partnerships with Singapore and the only way to do that is to work with the young people in the community in literally digging up the past, in order to prepare for the future."

There are plans to turn the area into a heritage site and include a time capsule after excavation is completed in about six months.

Officials say the project has the potential to be converted into an educational one, enhancing park users' visit to Katong Park. - CNA

Copyright © 2004 MCN International Pte Ltd

heirloom
October 24th, 2004, 03:43 PM
huh... how come something can be built over something else without noticing the thing below?!

redstone
October 24th, 2004, 03:48 PM
Actually the outline of the fort had been always visible.

Even many TV shows were shot about it.

RafflesCity
October 25th, 2004, 08:24 AM
never knew about this...

The big dig

25 Oct 04

By Serene Goh

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REMNANTS of what is believed to be a military fort at Katong Park will be slowly uncovered over the next few months by a group of amateur archaeologists - the area's residents.

They have been enlisted in the dig by grassroots leaders, in a project labelled Raising History, Planting Roots, the first scheme of its kind in a residential area here.

The idea was initiated by the Mountbatten Citizens' Consultative Committee, and its success could lead to a model for similar projects islandwide, said an MP for Marine Parade GRC, Mr Andy Gan, who decided to get residents involved when he heard about the dig.

He officiated at its groundbreaking ceremony yesterday, when more than 100 volunteers from families of grassroots leaders signed up to speed work along.

It is estimated the work will take about six to eight months. Mr Gan said $200,000 has been budgeted to fund it for a start .

Already, bits of the structure at the park off Fort Road have been unearthed in the three weeks since archaeologists from the National University of Singapore (NUS) started work at the site.

One of them, Dr John Miksic, said historical evidence showed it was built by the British to ward off attacks from the sea by Russian invaders.

The dig has several parties excited, including Southeast CDC mayor Othman Haron Eusofe, who represents Geylang Serai residents; British High Commissioner Alan Collins, who is hoping the British community here can pitch in; and the Singapore Institute of Architects.

Businessman Jack Sim, 47, sparked all this interest.

He asked when he moved into the neighbourhood in 1993: 'Why is this road called Fort Road?'

His elderly neighbour told him a fort once stood where Katong Park now is, but try as he might, the father of four saw no evidence of it during his visits to the park.

Several years later, during a dry spell, Mr Sim spotted lines on the ground where the grass grew differently from other patches, indicating the presence of a building.

The self-confessed 'heritage conscious' resident contacted the National Parks Board (NParks), which led to talks with the National Archives and National Heritage Board, and a year of research by historians in London.

It yielded evidence that a fort had existed there in 1874.

Mr Sim will also be involved in the effort to bring it to light; this time helping with the digging and taking pictures of the structure's re-emergence. He hopes the site will one day be something Singaporeans can be proud of.

'If you know you live in a place where there's something so unique, you're actually growing roots,' he said. 'I think Singaporeans need that.'

To register for the dig, call the Katong Community Centre (6345-8258) or Mountbatten Community Centre (6344-7687).




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It had a drawbridge


TANJONG Katong Fort was commissioned by the British War Office in London, and completed in August 1879 for 4,200.


It was surrounded by a wet ditch and had concrete walls covered by broken glass and surrounded by a barbed-wire fence.

Its entrance was at the end of a 4.2m-wide drawbridge.

It could accommodate three 18-cm muzzle-loading rifled guns of seven tonnes. . These were mounted 50m apart.

The parapet to protect the gunners was 2m high.

SOURCE: THE NATIONAL HERITAGE BOARD

redstone
November 6th, 2004, 01:19 PM
http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg/buildings/089067_main.jpg

http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg/buildings/089067_right.jpg
Customs Port Branch HQ.

This little building is very hidden from view.

RafflesCity
November 6th, 2004, 01:47 PM
I wanted to ask you if it was Bauhaus before

redstone
November 6th, 2004, 01:49 PM
I couldn't find a pic until now. :)

redstone
November 9th, 2004, 03:20 AM
Just suggested:
Kim San Hotel, a colonial bungalow at 40 Amber Road.

Jin Dong Hotel at 33 Lorong 12 Geylang, Lai Ming Hotel at 432 Geylang Road, 75 East Coast Road and Medical Alumni Centre at 2 College Road.

redstone
November 11th, 2004, 07:55 AM
8 Lorong K Telok Kurau

171 Telok Kurau Rd

7 Chapel Rd

25 & 26 Still Road South

St Patrick's School front block (Marine Parade Rd)

518 Joo Chiat Rd

340 East Cooast Road

16B - D Fort Rd

113 Arthur Rd

14 Fort Road

2 Mayfield Ave


Impressed with my find? :D

redstone
November 11th, 2004, 08:00 AM
I wonder are those kampong houses at Joo Chiat conserved?

RafflesCity
November 11th, 2004, 11:41 PM
they must be very patient with you huh :D

redstone
November 12th, 2004, 01:24 AM
Huh? :?

RafflesCity
November 12th, 2004, 06:27 AM
you have sent them a lot of suggestions. do you get appreciative replies?

redstone
November 12th, 2004, 06:34 AM
Yup, some of them. :)

redstone
November 14th, 2004, 07:22 AM
More! :banana:

66, 73 Bournemouth Road

18, 82 Broadrick Road

76, 79, 100, 110 Wilkinson Road

1 Lyndhurst Road

64, 73, 81 Goodman Road

51, 56 Branksome Road


86 East Coast Road

25 Chapel Road

362 Joo Chiat Road.

64 Tanjong Katong Road

babystan03
November 14th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Time is GMT + 8 hours
Posted: 14 November 2004 1857 hrs

Kampong mosque in Sembawang may be preserved: DPM Tan
By Rosli A Razak, Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE : As Muslims all over the world celebrated Hari Raya Aidilfitri on Sunday, in Singapore, those at a 42-year-old mosque in Sembawang had another reason for celebration.

The mosque, which was to make way for redevelopment, may be preserved as part of Singapore's national heritage.

Deputy Prime Minister Tony revealed this during his annual Hari Raya visit to the mosque.

Earlier, Minister in Charge of Muslim Affairs, Dr Yaacob Ibrahim, joined over 4,000 Muslims at the new Assya Faah mosque at Admiralty Lane.

Prayers were led by Mufti Syed Isa Mohd Semait. The President of the Islamic religious council, or MUIS, Mohd Alami Musa, was also present.

The Minister later spoke to reporters on leadership renewal in the community.

Dr Yaacob said, "I think increasingly we are finding more young professional to play their part, taking positions in Malay-Muslim organisations. We should encourage that transition in a smooth manner, give time for the younger generation to learn the ropes; and this transition has to take place in manner in which there is continuity.

"I am happy to see that more younger professionals are now taking up positions in Malay-Muslim organisations, even starting their own programmes."

He later joined Dr Tan at Petempatan Melayu Sembawang Mosque.

This village mosque was slated to make way for development at the end of this year, but it has received a one-year extension from National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan.

Said Dr Tan, "I myself feel that if there is a possibility and if the land is not needed we should see how we can continue to use this mosque for a few more years, and in fact develop it as part of our national heritage, where all Singaporeans of all ages, particularly the children, can see what Singapore was like 30, 40 years ago."

The mosque, built in 1962 by kampong dwellers, has a special significance for Dr Tan.

He has celebrated Hari Raya here every year since becoming a Member of Parliament in 1979.

And he says the kampong spirit is still alive as former residents of the area still visit what is possibly the last kampong mosque in Singapore.

A committee chaired by MP for Sembawang GRC, Dr Maliki Osman, will present the case for preserving the building to the government. - CNA

Copyright © 2004 MCN International Pte Ltd

RafflesCity
November 14th, 2004, 07:49 PM
More! :banana:

66, 73 Bournemouth Road

18, 82 Broadrick Road

76, 79, 100, 110 Wilkinson Road

1 Lyndhurst Road

64, 73, 81 Goodman Road

51, 56 Branksome Road


86 East Coast Road

25 Chapel Road

362 Joo Chiat Road.

64 Tanjong Katong Road

wow where did u get all the locations from? :eek:

redstone
November 15th, 2004, 02:31 AM
By winding through the private housing estate, taking note of the house address. :D


They are almost all in the Mountbatten area.

RafflesCity
November 16th, 2004, 05:41 AM
should have taken a pic!

redstone
November 16th, 2004, 08:17 AM
No digicam...

RafflesCity
November 16th, 2004, 09:42 PM
ok I will try to take pics there one day :)

redstone
November 18th, 2004, 10:38 AM
This Sunday I'll hit the road again.

This time to Sime Road to check out the addresses of two historic mansions, including the historic Flagstaff House.

I'll also be going (hopefully) to Peirce Road. Saw several gigantic unconserved mansions there. Not villas, but HUGE mansions.

If got time, I'll go to the Botanic Gardens area. But there can be very confusing. Th roads are all winding and some houses there are already conserved, and I don't know which ones aren't.

redstone
November 18th, 2004, 10:42 AM
If only someone can help me out on this conservation thingy...

RafflesCity
November 18th, 2004, 10:45 AM
well, you are doing a great job!

redstone
November 18th, 2004, 10:50 AM
Can you help me take note of bungalows and villas and mansions in Novena area?
Take note of the house number and street name.
Thanks! :D

RafflesCity
November 18th, 2004, 10:51 AM
I'll try my best....

sometimes the numbers of houses r hard to locate, although with a street map i can easily identify the street...

redstone
November 18th, 2004, 10:54 AM
For me, I'll see the house numbers on its neighbours and I can 'calculate' the number. :yes:

RafflesCity
November 27th, 2004, 05:16 PM
S$200,000 raised so far for Fort Tanjong Katong project

27 Nov 04

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SINGAPORE : A total of S$200,000 has been raised for the Fort Tanjong Katong excavation project so far, and the South East CDC plans to raise even more funds.

Coins and glass have been excavated from the former British fort at Katong Park.

The dig is expected to take about 6-8 months.

Once completed, there are plans for Fort Tanjong Katong to be an outdoor classroom or theatre, and even a tourist attraction.

At the fundraising dinner on Saturday, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong applauded the efforts by community organisations and schools to join in this excavation.

He said this is an example of how the different agencies and individuals can come together for a common purpose.

More than 1,000 volunteers have come forward so far.

Mr Goh said, "Many were just average Singaporeans who walked in voluntarily to participate in the resurrection of Singapore's history. There were also family groups. Many came with three or four-generation of family members. Even grandparents in their sixties and seventies brought their pre-school grandchildren to participate in the excavation works.

"Although many participants did not know one another, I am heartened that they had worked together hand-in-hand, regardless of race, language or religion, towards a common purpose. This is precisely the kind of Singapore spirit required to ensure our country's continued success." - CNA

babystan03
December 25th, 2004, 03:32 AM
24 December 2004

6,400 buildings in Singapore gazetted for conservation
By Ca-Mie De Souza, Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE : With new buildings springing up ever so often in Singapore, the old ones may be forgotten, even after they have been gazetted for conservation.

Not many may know that since the push for conservation started in the 1970s, 6,400 buildings have been gazetted by the government.

Scandinavian accessories and artwork fill a particular shop at Bukit Pasoh.

Its Danish owner Jette discovered the spot some two years ago and she is staying put.

Jette Roggenbach, Owner, The Touch House of Art and Design, said, "I found a house finally that has an ambience that I've been looking for, because if you want to do something like what I'm doing here, you'll need the ambience."

Across her shop is Singapore's oldest millionaire club - Gan Eng Seng was one of its founders.

Bukit Pasoh has always been a residential area with a fair number of clan associations.

But in recent years, its historical flavour has drawn many Singapore wedding couples there to capture their wedding portraits.

One of Singapore's architecturally significant streets, the area was gazetted for conservation in 1989.

But there is a lesser known fact of why a small strip of parkland runs through the area.

Chan Li Ming, Architect, Urban Redevelopment Authority, said, "It was formerly a railway line that used to transport goods from the Tanjong Pagar docks area to Bukit Timah and then to Pasir Panjang on the other side.

"The track was removed in the 1930s and then this became a park for the residents nearby."

Past residents included Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew's paternal grandparents, who stayed in a house along Neil Road.

And if you think the name Choa Kim Keat rings a bell, Li Ming explains: "This was a motor garage owned by Choa Kim Keat. Kim Keat estate was named after him and Kim Keat Road. He was son-in-law of Tan Kim Cheng who was the son of Tan Tock Seng."

The area around Everton Road was once fruit and nutmeg plantations which later became a Peranakan enclave.

But with the rise of the Tanjong Pagar docks, other communities moved in.

Li Ming said, "Looking at the architecture of the building, it's a very eclectic mix of influences from European styles, Chinese styles and Malay styles.

"And this was what you'll call a pondok or a living house which kind of was like a clan association for the Malays, and the kinsmen would come here and invite new kinsmen to come and join the community."

Such examples are gems in the city waiting to be rediscovered. - CNA

Copyright © 2004 MCN International Pte Ltd

redstone
December 27th, 2004, 03:13 PM
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980007381-8105-3181-0499/img0015.jpg
Carmelite Monastery

RafflesCity
December 28th, 2004, 10:22 AM
thats quite a large plot of land..is it still in use?

redstone
December 28th, 2004, 04:32 PM
ura_cons@ura.gov.sg
URA now has a email address for Conservation of Built Heritage! :banana:

redstone
December 28th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Carmelite Monastery

Ramakrishna Mission

Danish Seamen's Church, Mount Faber Road

Former Breakthrough Missions, Labrador Villa Road

hyacinthus
December 29th, 2004, 01:39 AM
Carmelite Monastery

Ramakrishna Mission

Danish Seamen's Church, Mount Faber Road

Former Breakthrough Missions, Labrador Villa Road

Hmmm... No latest pictures?

redstone
January 13th, 2005, 11:49 AM
New National Monuments!!! :banana:

Jiu Wang Ye Miao (:banana: )
St. Joseph's Church
Church of Our Lady of Lourdes

There's one more, I forgot the name. Chinese news...

redstone
January 13th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Catholic churches, Taoist temple to be preserved as national monuments
By Tan Bee Leng, Channel NewsAsia

INGAPORE : Three Catholic churches and a Taoist temple are to be preserved as national monuments.

Built between the 1850s and 1900s, these places of worship are selected for their rich historical and social significance.


The Roman Catholic Church of St. Joseph is the first Eurasian Catholic church in Singapore.

It was constructed in traditional Gothic church style by the Portuguese Mission for Eurasian Catholics.

The Church of Our Lady of Lourdes, built in 1888, is the first Tamil Catholic church in Singapore.

Modelled after the original church at Lourdes in France, it was associated with the Indian community in the Rochor district for over a century.

And it was only after 1974 that the church opened its doors to Catholics of all races.

The Church of Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary is the oldest Catholic church for the Teochew community in Serangoon.

It started as a chapel in 1853 and was subsequently named St Mary's church.

The Tou Mu Kung temple used to be one of only two Chinese temples in Singapore with a permanent opera stage.

Worshipping the Nine Emperor deity, the temple has a mixture of Taoist and Buddhist influence and is especially crowded on the first and fifteenth days of the Chinese lunar month.

With these latest gazetted places of worship, there are now a total of 54 national monuments in Singapore. - CNA

redstone
January 13th, 2005, 03:43 PM
http://www.catholic.org.sg/images/churches/fullsize/nativity0.jpg
http://www.catholic.org.sg/images/churches/fullsize/nativity2.jpg
Church of Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, 1259 Upper Serangoon Road

http://www.catholic.org.sg/images/churches/fullsize/ladylourdes.jpg
Church of Our Lady of Lourdes, 50 Ophir Road

http://www.catholic.org.sg/images/churches/fullsize/josephs.jpg
Saint Joseph's Church, 143 Victoria Street

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Jiu Huang Da Di Temple, 779A Upper Serangoon Road

RafflesCity
January 13th, 2005, 03:56 PM
wasnt the chinese temple almost demolished?

btw those 2 churches definitely SHOULD be preserved

overall great news :yes:

redstone
January 13th, 2005, 04:01 PM
Um, yes it WAS supposed to be demolished and a new temple dedicated to the same god built...

I had suggested all but the Mary church for preservation. Honestly, I had never heard of the Mary church before... :eek:

RafflesCity
January 13th, 2005, 04:07 PM
I have never seen that Mary church or the temple myself

I wonder what made them decide to keep these...

maybe your suggestions help

redstone
January 14th, 2005, 02:14 AM
The Mary church is suprisingly very north, in Hougang! :eek:

redstone
January 15th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Supreme Court, City Hall buildings to be turned into art gallery
By Julia Ng, Channel NewsAsia

INGAPORE: Singapore's art scene will be getting a monumental boost in the form of a grand new venue.

The government will convert its current Supreme Court and City Hall buildings into a fine art gallery in four to five years' time.


This is part of the Information, Communications and the Arts Ministry (MICA)'s moves to make Singapore "the place to be".

The Supreme Court and City Hall buildings will have a combined exhibition space of 11,000 square metres.

"This art gallery will display some of the best works of art from the region, Southeast Asia, Asia. We will also display some of the art of our very best Singapore artists. This will definitely enhance Singapore's standing as an art hub. We'll be able to attract more international collections, and become a hub for the arts, which is what we want to do - to make Singapore a global city of the arts," said Lee Boon Yang, Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts.

The Singapore Art Museum says it'll rethink its strategy to complement exhibitions at the new art gallery.

"The new art gallery will focus primarily on Singapore art but in an international context, and the Singapore Art Musuem at old SJI will perhaps focus on just Southeast Asia, or just on special exhibitions," said Singapore Art Museum's Kwok Kian Chow.

And, there'll be modifications to other arts venues.

The Asian Civilisations Museum in Armenian Street will be converted into a Peranakan museum.

The Victoria Concert Hall and Victoria Theatre will be refurbished.

And, to unleash creativity and passion at the community level, MICA will work with private organisations and community development councils to provide seed funding for innovative projects that promote social bonding and create arts jobs. - CNA

Read the Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts' Addendum to the President's Address.

rark
January 15th, 2005, 04:04 PM
omg! no!!

Pengui
January 16th, 2005, 03:04 AM
Why not ?

babystan03
January 16th, 2005, 04:07 AM
What so shocking about it?? :?

hyacinthus
January 16th, 2005, 04:10 AM
What so shocking about it?? :?

Precisely... :lol: There are examples of old govt offices becoming Art Galleries/museum/hotels eg. Asian Civilisation Museum at Empress Rd. :D

Maybe, Redstone can't take it? ;)

SkylineTurbo
January 16th, 2005, 06:54 AM
Preserving them would be more practical.

Kit
January 16th, 2005, 08:08 AM
I don't mind the idea but please, no more colourful windows..........

rark
January 16th, 2005, 10:54 AM
i thought a musuem at city hall would be better.... but i guess singapore history museum has more than enough place for exhibits

RafflesCity
January 16th, 2005, 12:18 PM
hmm..actually this isnt so shocking..huaiwei told me about this some time back when we were discussing the new Supreme Court

anyway I think its an appropriate function for the building, provided they retain its appearance and hope that glass fixture will not compromise that

SkylineTurbo
January 16th, 2005, 12:23 PM
^ Good point, it would give it a better look.

RafflesCity
January 16th, 2005, 12:25 PM
The Supreme Court and the City Hall

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/103supreme.jpg

SkylineTurbo
January 16th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Resembles the US Capitol in a way. :)

hyacinthus
January 16th, 2005, 01:28 PM
The Supreme Court and the City Hall

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/103supreme.jpg

Nice... haven't seen this at night... hmmm... :)

SkylineTurbo
January 16th, 2005, 01:37 PM
This Greeko-Roman architecture is very nice when used by the government/council.

Pengui
January 16th, 2005, 03:48 PM
When I think about it, it will be quite nice that very close by in the city centre will be
- the national library
- the art museum
- the concert and threatre hall at the esplanade
- the promenade around the bay with the new pedestrian bridge
- the new botanical garden
- marina city park.

All in all it makes sense to me and looks like a good project :-)

huaiwei
January 17th, 2005, 09:37 PM
Jan 14, 2005
Four new heritage sites

Symbols of religious freedom, 3 churches and a temple are declared 'national monuments'

By Tracy Sua

THREE Roman Catholic churches and a Taoist temple, four of Singapore's oldest community religious buildings, are being declared national monuments today by the Preservation of Monuments Board.

Deemed significant pillars of support for the ethnic groups they cater to, The Church of St Joseph in Victoria Street, Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Ophir Road, Church of Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Tou Mu Kung Taoist Temple, both in Upper Serangoon Road, bring the number of monuments here to 54.

'These churches and temple are closely associated with the social life and activities of people, organisations and institutions that have an impact on the community and nation. They are powerful symbols of the religious freedom enjoyed in Singapore over 180 years,' said the board's executive secretary, Mr Wan Meng Hao.

One of the new monuments is the first Eurasian Catholic church, Church of St Joseph. Built in 1850 by the Portuguese Mission, it was later deemed too small for the Portuguese-Eurasian community. So a new church was built on the same site in 1904, but was demolished, re-built and completed later in 1912.

The Church of Our Lady of Lourdes, built in 1886, was meant for Indian Catholics in Singapore - especially for the community in the Rochor district - for almost a hundred years. The church opened its doors to other ethnic groups in 1974, but a Tamil mass is still conducted every week.

From attap chapel in 1853 to a brick one in 1910, the Church of Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary catered to the Teochew community in the Serangoon-Punggol area. The head of the church founded a Catholic girls' school in 1881 and a boys' school in 1885.

The Tou Mu Kong Temple which caters to the Teochew community in Upper Serangoon Road, was one of two remaining temples in Singapore with a permanent wayang (Chinese opera) stage, until 1998.

For eight decades, Chinese opera was performed there during religious and other festivals, but now a road runs through it. The landmark stage was demolished in 1998 when Upper Serangoon Road was being widened. The only temple in Singapore with a permanent wayang stage now is the Tua Pek Kong Temple in Balestier Road.

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UNSCATED BY WAR: The Church of Our Lady of Lourdes, built in 1886, was modelled after a church in Lourdes, France, which was constructed to commemorate the sighting of the Virgin Mary there in 1853. Structures like the pointed trimmings, pointed arches, spires, flying buttresses and 16 pillars were imported from France. In World War II, two bombs damaged the schools and vicarage that was built in the church's compound, but the church was unharmed. -- SHAHRIYA YAHAYA

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FUNDED BY A KING: Built in 1850, the Church of St Joseph was rebuilt in 1940 by the Portugese-Eurasian community here which it served when the building could not accomodate the growing number of worshippers. It is a traditional neo-Gothic church, which was originally funded by the King of Portugal. -- SHAHRIYA YAHAYA

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HUMBLE BEGINNINGS: It started as an attap chapel in 1853, and took firmer shape as a Gothic brick church in 1910. The Church of Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary is an example of European church architecture, The priest who designed it also designed the chapel of the Convent of the Holy Infant Jesus in Victoria Street, also a monument. -- SHAHRIYA YAHAYA

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INSPIRED BY A DREAM: Teochew Taoist Tou Mu Kong Temple founder Ong Choo Kee, on a business trip to Penang in 1902, had vowed loyalty to the deity, the Ninth Emperor, if his business trip was successful. The trip was a success and he purchased an amulet of the deity and installed it at a family altar in his home at Lorong Chuan. Some years later, he dreamt of an old man telling him to build a temple honouring the deity at its present site in Upper Serangoon Road, which he started doing in 1919. -- THE TAOIST FEDERATION.

redstone
January 18th, 2005, 03:53 AM
Suprising for a 1910 structure to be in Hougang! :eek::D

RafflesCity
January 18th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Indeed..it mustve been wasteland back then!

huaiwei
January 18th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Suprising for a 1910 structure to be in Hougang! :eek::D
Hahaha...cannot is it??? :D Its located rite beside the old site of my sec sch I think.

kenmin
January 21st, 2005, 03:59 PM
Indeed..it mustve been wasteland back then!
I think Serangoon Road was built in the mid 19th century. Don't think they will build a road to nowhere, right?

Anyway, what are the criteria for choosing the national monuments? Why are there so many religious buildings? Don't think it's based on the historical significance since how many first church, first temple, first mosque can there be? If it's due to the design, they look rather similar to me, esp the temples. I am not against conservation of all these old buildings but there should be more stringent criteria for granting them national monument status.

Secondly, who has the full list of the 80 or so historical sites? How are they chosen?

RafflesCity
January 21st, 2005, 04:06 PM
I think Serangoon Road was built in the mid 19th century. Don't think they will build a road to nowhere, right?


yah true..actually I think thats kinda special for it as the majority of our architectural treasures seem to be nestled near the historic civic areas.

redstone
January 21st, 2005, 05:14 PM
List of National Monuments:

1 The Old Thong Chai Medical Institution (1892) 06-Jul-73
2 Armenian Church (1835-36) 06-Jul-73
3 St Andrew's Cathedral (rebuilt 1856-61) 06-Jul-73
4 Telok Ayer Market (now Lau Pat Sa) (1890-94) 06-Jul-73
5 Thian Hock Keng (1839-42) 06-Jul-73
6 Sri Mariamman Temple (rebuilt 1843) 06-Jul-73
7 Hajjah Fatimah Mosque (1845-46) 06-Jul-73
8 Cathedral of the Good Shepherd (1843-47) 06-Jul-73
9 Nagore Durgha (Shrine) (1828-30) 29-Nov-74
10 Al-brar Mosque (1850-55) 29-Nov-74
11 House of Tan Yeok Nee (1885) 29-Nov-74
12 Tan Si Chong Su (1876-78) 29-Nov-74
13 Jamae Mosque (rebuilt 1830-35) 29-Nov-74
14 Sultan Mosque (rebuilt 1924-28) 14-Mar-75
15 St George's Church (1910-13) 10-Nov-78
16 Hong San See (1908-13) 10-Nov-78
17 Sri Perumal Temple (1855) 10-Nov-78
18 Abdul Gaffoor Nosque (1907) 13-Jul-79
19 Siong Lim Temple (1898-1912) 17-Oct-80
20 Raffles Hotel (1887-1907) 03-Jun-95
21 Telok Ayer Chinese Methodist Church (1924) 23-Mar-89
22 Goodwood Park Hotel (Tower Block) (1900) 23-Mar-89
23 CHIJMES Hall (1903) and Caldwell House (1840-41) 26-Oct-90
24 Istana and Sri Temasek (1867-69) 14-Feb-92
25 City Hall (1926-29) 14-Feb-92
26 Victoria Theatre (1856-62) and Concert Hall (1902-05) 14-Feb-92
27 Parliament House and Annex Building (1826-27) 14-Feb-92
28 Supreme Court (1937-39) 14-Feb-92
29 Empress Place Building (1864-67) 14-Feb-92
30 National Museum (1884-87) 14-Feb-92
31 Singapore Art Museum (1855-67) 14-Feb-92
32 The Old Attorney-General's Chambers (rebuilt 1906) 14-Feb-92
33 Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall (1900-02) 28-Oct-94
34 Yueh Hai Ching Temple (rebuilt 1895) 28-Jun-96
35 Maghain Aboth Synagogue (1878) 27-Feb-98
36 The Old Ministry of Labour Building (1928) 27-Feb-98
37 Asian Civilisations Museum I (1910-1912) 27-Feb-98
38 Chesed-El Synagogue (1905) 18-Dec-98
39 The Old Hill Street Police Station (1934) 18-Dec-98
40 Ying Fo Fui Kun (1881-82) 18-Dec-98
41 Central Fire Station (1908-1909) 18-Dec-98
42 The Old Nanyang University Library, Administration Building, 18-Dec-98 Memorial and Arch (1954-56)
43 The Chinese High School Clock Tower Building (1925) 19-Mar-99


Prinsep Street Presbyterian Church
Tan Teck Guan Building
College of Medicine Building
Cathay Building wall
Changi Prison wall
MacDonald House
Old Admiralty House
Church of Saints Peter & Paul
Church of Saint Joseph
Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Church of Our Lady of Lourdes
Tou Mu Kung Temple

Future Monuments:
Saint James Powerhouse
Bukit Timah Campus


Historical Sites are different...
Find the list (hopefully) tomorrow...

redstone
January 21st, 2005, 05:47 PM
That list took me 10 minutes to prepare, from 2 webpages...
The first 43 were cut-and-paste, but were originally in continous form...

The last few were from a PDF page...


And my computer crashed 2 times while doing up the list... :rant::wallbash:

RafflesCity
January 22nd, 2005, 11:27 AM
Thanks for the list redstone

its impressive, but we still have many more interesting old beauties worthy of conservation, and with the authorities now willing to consider buildings of the 1950s and 60s, that list should grow!

redstone
January 22nd, 2005, 12:50 PM
The Eu Villa should be on it, and the whole of CP... :cry::bleep:

hyacinthus
January 22nd, 2005, 01:47 PM
-- Transferred ACM to Old Beauties --

redstone
January 22nd, 2005, 01:49 PM
This should be in Old Beauties... :yes:

kenmin
January 22nd, 2005, 04:41 PM
That list took me 10 minutes to prepare, from 2 webpages...
The first 43 were cut-and-paste, but were originally in continous form...

The last few were from a PDF page...


And my computer crashed 2 times while doing up the list... :rant::wallbash:
Well done redstone. Actually you could just attach the links here.
There is a PDF file available at the MICA site but it's so brief. Only names, addresses and a pic each. Should at least give a brief introduction and reason why they are chosen. :bash:

Awaiting the list of 80+ historical sites. Can't even find them on the government webby. :bash:

redstone
January 22nd, 2005, 04:50 PM
Here! :D
http://livelife.ecitizen.gov.sg/culture/heritage/monuments.asp
Nice to see you back!:D

SkylineTurbo
January 23rd, 2005, 06:05 AM
Good to see the Sultan Mosque on the list.

RafflesCity
January 23rd, 2005, 12:44 PM
would be good if we managed to get good pics of everyone of those buildings in the list :yes:

redstone
January 23rd, 2005, 02:09 PM
1 The Old Thong Chai Medical Institution (1892) 06-Jul-73
2 Armenian Church (1835-36) 06-Jul-73
3 St Andrew's Cathedral (rebuilt 1856-61) 06-Jul-73
4 Telok Ayer Market (now Lau Pat Sa) (1890-94) 06-Jul-73
5 Thian Hock Keng (1839-42) 06-Jul-73
6 Sri Mariamman Temple (rebuilt 1843) 06-Jul-73
7 Hajjah Fatimah Mosque (1845-46) 06-Jul-73
8 Cathedral of the Good Shepherd (1843-47) 06-Jul-73
9 Nagore Durgha (Shrine) (1828-30) 29-Nov-74
10 Al-brar Mosque (1850-55) 29-Nov-74
11 House of Tan Yeok Nee (1885) 29-Nov-74
12 Tan Si Chong Su (1876-78) 29-Nov-74
13 Jamae Mosque (rebuilt 1830-35) 29-Nov-74
14 Sultan Mosque (rebuilt 1924-28) 14-Mar-75
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/520/tcv29ci.jpg
15 St George's Church (1910-13) 10-Nov-78
16 Hong San See (1908-13) 10-Nov-78
17 Sri Perumal Temple (1855) 10-Nov-78
http://picas.nhb.gov.sg/data/tn_pcd/19980006579-8105-3181-0075/img0106.jpg
18 Abdul Gaffoor Nosque (1907) 13-Jul-79
19 Siong Lim Temple (1898-1912) 17-Oct-80
20 Raffles Hotel (1887-1907) 03-Jun-95
21 Telok Ayer Chinese Methodist Church (1924) 23-Mar-89
22 Goodwood Park Hotel (Tower Block) (1900) 23-Mar-89
23 CHIJMES Hall (1903) and Caldwell House (1840-41) 26-Oct-90
24 Istana and Sri Temasek (1867-69) 14-Feb-92
25 City Hall (1926-29) 14-Feb-92
26 Victoria Theatre (1856-62) and Concert Hall (1902-05) 14-Feb-92
27 Parliament House and Annex Building (1826-27) 14-Feb-92
28 Supreme Court (1937-39) 14-Feb-92
29 Empress Place Building (1864-67) 14-Feb-92
30 National Museum (1884-87) 14-Feb-92
31 Singapore Art Museum (1855-67) 14-Feb-92
32 The Old Attorney-General's Chambers (rebuilt 1906) 14-Feb-92
33 Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall (1900-02) 28-Oct-94
34 Yueh Hai Ching Temple (rebuilt 1895) 28-Jun-96
35 Maghain Aboth Synagogue (1878) 27-Feb-98
36 The Old Ministry of Labour Building (1928) 27-Feb-98
37 Asian Civilisations Museum I (1910-1912) 27-Feb-98
38 Chesed-El Synagogue (1905) 18-Dec-98
39 The Old Hill Street Police Station (1934) 18-Dec-98
40 Ying Fo Fui Kun (1881-82) 18-Dec-98
41 Central Fire Station (1908-1909) 18-Dec-98
42 The Old Nanyang University Library, Administration Building, 18-Dec-98 Memorial and Arch (1954-56)
43 The Chinese High School Clock Tower Building (1925) 19-Mar-99


Prinsep Street Presbyterian Church
Tan Teck Guan Building
College of Medicine Building
Cathay Building wall
Changi Prison wall
MacDonald House
Old Admiralty House
Church of Saints Peter & Paul
Church of Saint Joseph
Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Church of Our Lady of Lourdes
Tou Mu Kung Temple

redstone
January 23rd, 2005, 02:12 PM
Btw, if we meetup at Civic District, we could take shots of almost 1/2 or 1/3 of the buildings! :D

heirloom
January 26th, 2005, 01:48 AM
http://img161.exs.cx/img161/521/imgp74123rb.jpg

RafflesCity
January 26th, 2005, 05:29 AM
oh good..they removed all those barricades for the queues..thought they were going to be permanent!

heirloom
January 26th, 2005, 09:17 AM
maybe because its no longer going to be used?

redstone
January 26th, 2005, 03:07 PM
Yes, after the barrage is built...

RafflesCity
January 26th, 2005, 03:14 PM
I wonder what theyre going to do to the existing Clifford Pier then, cos I remember reading that it will be preserved, even if its not in use?

redstone
January 26th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Maybe turned into a restaurant or something?:?

RafflesCity
January 26th, 2005, 03:17 PM
they should DEFINITELY keep it!

Pengui
January 26th, 2005, 03:21 PM
The small buildings on both side of Clifford Pier were not there in the beginning, right ?
If so, they should demolish them, improve the pedestrian access in the area, and have some market or small art expo space in Clifford Pier, I would say.

RafflesCity
January 26th, 2005, 03:31 PM
yah the pedestrian movement there could be better improved and the ugly buildings removed

someone mentioned it here before I think :yes:

redstone
January 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM
The twop Promontory sites may have an art museum... :yes:

redstone
February 14th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Does anyone if Kiu Leong Tong (241 Cantonment Road) is preserved?
http://www.sfcca.org.sg/limstcs/images/photo-citang.gif

It is an amazingly rather unknown Neo-Classical beauty.

The full name is:
新加坡林氏大宗祠九龙堂家族自治会

or:
Singapore Lim See Tai Chong Soo Kiu Leong Tong Family Self-Management Association

Quite a mouthful!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/oldbeauty.jpg

redstone
February 14th, 2005, 04:09 PM
Temple in legal tussle to be torn down

Wrangle over property ends with Taoist federation being made trustee. Temple will be rebuilt

By Tanya Fong

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2004-08-19/h7a1.jpg

THE 83-year-old Kew Ong Yah temple which was at the centre of a legal tussle in 2001 will be demolished in about two years' time and rebuilt.


The Singapore Taoist Federation, now in charge of the landmark, explained that it has to pull it down because of the state of the building at Upper Serangoon Road.

Said its chairman, Mr Tan Thiam Lye, 55: 'It's so old, even the cement on the roof has worn off, and when it rains, it leaks.

'The temple has a long history. Its spirit must be preserved.'

The foundation was made the temple's trustee by the Attorney-General's Chambers last Friday. It has set up a 10-man pro-tem committee to manage the place.
Mr Tan said in Mandarin: 'We have registered as a society and are awaiting confirmation. Meanwhile, we are managing the temple and busy planning the ninth lunar month festive celebrations on Oct 13 and Oct 14.'

The reconstruction of the 'nine-emperor God' temple, which will be done on the 3,066 sq m site, is expected to cost $4 million.

Part of the bill is expected to be paid with donations from devotees, a number of whom come from Malaysia to worship there.

Most are particularly generous during the deity's festival, which is in the ninth month of the lunar calendar.

Last year, the collection came to about $200,000 during this period.

The temple's demolition could deal the final blow to the already fragile ties in a family that have been the place's trustees since it was built by their ancestors in 1921.

The family, the Ongs, have been living in a four-bedroom bungalow on the grounds all this while.

When Mr Ong Yew Kew, 70, became the temple's caretaker in 1965, a bitter feud erupted between him and his late brother's family over the property.

Said Mr Ong's nephew, crane operator Ong Pang Sim, 52, in Mandarin: 'Soon after he took over, he split the family house we shared into two parts.

'He had two rooms and a living room in the front part of the house, while my mother and eight siblings lived in the other two rooms at the back.'

He claimed that his uncle also put up a partition to separate the two families' areas, forcing his to use the back door as their main entrance.

'We had countless fights over which side and how much space we should have of the house,' he added.

Then, in 1978, Mr Ong Yew Kew built a second bungalow, next to the original house. One of the front rooms of the old place was extended as a passageway to the new three-room home, which was fenced in.

He took the land dispute further in 1984 by going to court and claiming that he was the sole legal owner of the land. The High Court agreed in 2001.

But the AG's Chambers, in its capacity as the Protector of Charities, stepped in and opposed his claim in November 2001.

It appealed to have the case re-tried on the grounds that the temple was open to the public, and that the donations and offerings were collected for its maintenance.

It described the temple as a 'charitable trust' and argued that it should be registered under the Charities Act with new trustees appointed. The High Court ruled in its favour in 2002.

The feuding Ongs have agreed to move out, said the foundation's Mr Tan, adding: 'We won't chase them out. They still have a few years.'

None of the Ongs are on the new trustee's committee to run the temple.

When The Straits Times visited Mr Ong Yew Kew and his wife at his bungalow last Sunday, they declined to be interviewed.

Fate reversed!!!!!!! :banana::banana::banana:

RafflesCity
February 14th, 2005, 04:13 PM
yah Jiu Long Tang is very grand, it looks in good condition and I hope they dont think of demolishing it

there also another old beauty next to it

redstone
February 14th, 2005, 04:15 PM
Pic please!!! :eek:banana: