The Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel on Amager opened in 1972, planning an extension of the hotel from 86 meters to 124 meters, that will supply the hotel with 10 extra floors, and a new building (190 rooms) on the present parkingarea.
The room capacity is for the moment 542, but after the extension the hotel will count up to 1000 rooms.
The localplan has been approved by the municipality of Copenhagen, and the public hearing has now ended.
According to the General manager Roy Kappenberger the hotel will now apply for permission to start construction, so it's up to the norwegian owner WENASS-GRUPPEN to decide whether they will do the 0,5 billion investment, or just dream about it.
Kim Utzon is, I think, favourite to be the architect on the project.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x7Ya4Jbcebg/TG-Q_Gtap3I/AAAAAAAAA-g/4ZHpk0fcmUU/s1280/074.JPG

http://www.netpublikationer.dk/kk/10149/1-1/Ny_Toejhus_tillaeg_3_pjece/img/Ny_Toejhus_tillaeg_3_pjece_6_1.jpghttp://www.netpublikationer.dk/kk/10149/1-1/Ny_Toejhus_tillaeg_3_pjece/img/Ny_Toejhus_tillaeg_3_pjece_3_1.jpg
http://www.netpublikationer.dk/kk/10149/1-1/Ny_Toejhus_tillaeg_3_pjece/img/Ny_Toejhus_tillaeg_3_pjece_6_3.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x7Ya4Jbcebg/S_rt-7cEDHI/AAAAAAAAAjM/vVd2fEbJV0Y/s720/066.JPG

EDIT 28/8: The Utzon design seems to be replaced with a new from Herløws Tegnestue.
http://i49.tinypic.com/zv60xs.jpg

Lokalplan (http://www.netpublikationer.dk/kk/10149/)
Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel, Copenhagen (http://www.radissonblu.dk/scandinaviahotel-koebenhavn?facilitator=BIGMOUTHMEDIAREZIDOR&csref=g_da_sk_brand_3_cphza)
http://www.utzon-arkitekter.dk/index.php?l=dan&m=3&o=date&s=sas
http://www.wenaasgruppen.no/

Is it really neccesary, to have a new thread for each building in Copenhagen.?

:)

Is it really neccesary, to have a new thread for each building in Copenhagen.?

:)

Thanks for feed back, :)

no not at all, but imo this one is a little special, cause it could end up as the highest in DK, and there is a chance for a cladding make over and a renovation that would be precedent for all concrete buildings constructed in the sixtees and seventees though enlarging, new facade but also the enviroments-changements.

Short interview in the magazine "Take off "with Roy Kappenberger about the hotel

http://www.takeoff.dk/news/19692

Is it really neccesary, to have a new thread for each building in Copenhagen.?

:)
Be my guest to make a thread with every significant highrise in Esbjerg.
Of course this deserves its own thread, but @Hafnia I think you should ask a mod to change the title to follow the genereal SSC scheme:

COPENHAGEN | Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel | 130m | 36 fl | App.

Also Kim Utzon is the architect?

http://kimutzon.dk/sections/sas/media/slides/1.jpg

http://kimutzon.dk/sections/sas/media/slides/2.jpg

http://kimutzon.dk/sections/sas/media/slides/3.jpg

http://kimutzon.dk/sections/sas/media/slides/4.jpg

http://kimutzon.dk/sections/sas/media/slides/5.jpg

Be my guest to make a thread with every significant highrise in Esbjerg.
Of course this deserves its own thread, but @Hafnia I think you should ask a mod to change the title to follow the genereal SSC scheme:

COPENHAGEN | Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel | 130m | 36 fl | App.

Also Kim Utzon is the architect?

:okay: thanks for the good advices, and concerning Kim Utzon, we saw he did the Copenhagen Towers Masterplan, but finally the Crown Plaza Hotel was designed by Dissing + Weitling.

It'll be really interesting to see if this ugly duckling can be transformed into a swan. I just cross my fingers Kim Utzon won't screw it up.

:okay: thanks for the good advices, and concerning Kim Utzon, we saw he did the Copenhagen Tower Masterplan, but finally the Crown Plaza Hotel was designed by Dissing + Weitling.

This is an incorrect comparison; Kim did the first proposal (which was more like one, continuous volume), however, not the final master plan, which was done by Dissing+Weitling (in collaboration with Foster + Partners).

Kim Utzon is, and will be, the architect in charge of the new hotel design.

Even though I'm not blown away by the (ususal 80's low-key) sketches from Kim Utzon Architects, this planned expansion and new "sheath" can only be an improvement of the current concrete block. Let's hope the Norwegians give it a go..

It'll be really interesting to see if this ugly duckling can be transformed into a swan. I just cross my fingers Kim Utzon won't screw it up.
Yep why not, afterall this is the land and the city of good avendtures.

This is an incorrect comparison; Kim did the first proposal (which was more like one, continuous volume), however, not the final master plan, which was done by Dissing+Weitling (in collaboration with Foster + Partners).

Kim Utzon is, and will be, the architect in charge of the new hotel design.

Okay, you sounds pretty sure about the architectchoice, how can you be so sure ?

Even though I'm not blown away by the (ususal 80's low-key) sketches from Kim Utzon Architects, this planned expansion and new "sheath" can only be an improvement of the current concrete block. Let's hope the Norwegians give it a go..

Yah I think the same about the renderings, they reminds me a little bit about the paperhat you put on a turkey-leg for decor :), but we know that Kim Utzon is cable to create good architecture for exampel the Tivolihotel, the new HQ for Clipper in Kalkbrænderihavnen and the dunckers Kulturhus in Helsingborg which I saw this summer and find exellent

Is it really neccesary, to have a new thread for each building in Copenhagen.?

:)

Why do you have to make this into yet another manifestation of your 'I hate Copenhagen'-campaign? Fact is that very few projects in Copenhagen have their own thread compared to what is the case with Stockholm and Oslo. That said I agree with you that it is better not to make too many seperate threads and I doubt there will ne many news to post here any time soon although I will love to be prooven wrong. And still, can you mention a 100+ m project in the Nordic region what does NOT have its own thread? So making it into a "copenhageners do everything wrong imo" issue is pretty lame.:)

For comparisons, the number of Norwegian threads?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2303

Very hard to get an overview for a moderately interested outsider imo and making me follow the development in Norway/Oslo less that I would otherwise like to.

Why do you have to make this into yet another manifestation of your 'I hate Copenhagen'-campaign?

My good Ramblersen, what makes you think I hate Copenhagen? As you say yourself, this project is only planned and it could take a war or two, before it´s approved by the city and the investors. So in the meantime it could very well fit into the, actually very good Copenhagen thread.

I have nothing what so ever against Copenhagen, no more than Copenhageners have against us from over here.

:)

Yah I think the same about the renderings, they reminds me a little bit about the paperhat you put on a turkey-leg for decor :), but we know that Kim Utzon is cable to create good architecture for exampel the Tivolihotel, the new HQ for Clipper in Kalkbrænderihavnen and the dunckers Kulturhus in Helsingborg which I saw this summer and find exellent

His Marble Pier hotel towers gave me the same vibes, maybe this will be remembered in architectural history as his 'fancy poultry' phase (apart from the fact that I doubt architectural history will remember him):

I think they look terrible. To me they look like a cross between medieval castle towers and those ornamental paper manchettes people used to put on roasted poultry half a century ago. In a bad way. Kim should be deported to Sweden,that man has had enough chances!:ohno:

Can't say I like Dunkers (especially not the inside) but the Tivoli Hotel looks quite okay so hopefully this one will, too.

The extension of this one makes it even more of a shame that 3XN
s nearby buildings weren't built as highrises. The Deloite building would have been great as a highrise.

'fancy poultry' phase

Ha ha poultry phase :lol:, only hopes this hotelrumours is not the one about one feather that become ten hens..

And still, can you mention a 100+ m project in the Nordic region what does NOT have its own thread?

Aarhus | Sky Tower | 115 m | 30 fl | App

Not that I need the thread but here is a highrise without its own thread. Anyway, I don't think there's enough interest here for city development in Aarhus, so there's no reason for a dedicated thread.

I'm glad you, Hafnia, have decided to start this thread. It makes following the development a lot easier and I wish the corresponding threads for individual projects would be used more often. The Bella Hotel thread has only recently become active again, and instead the Ørestad thread has been used. Every 50+ m highrise should have its own thread in my opinion. This is SSC after all.

In my view it is a better way to structure information with individual threads for individual projetcs instead of having a Copenhagen thread with 5000 replies as it is now. Information is presented in a quantity that makes navigation problematic.

Aarhus | Sky Tower | 115 m | 30 fl | App

Not that I need the thread but here is a highrise without its own thread. Anyway, I don't think there's enough interest here for city development in Aarhus, so there's no reason for a dedicated thread.



I am in no doubt whatsoever that the interest for that thread is there. But you are of course right that the activity in the general Aarhus thread isn't exactly overwhealming - especially now that you seem to have decided to allocate most of your energy on your excellent blog (a choise I totally understand) - making it fairly easy to follow the project in the main Aarhus thread. Still I very much hope it will get its thread as construction comes closer.

I am very interested if Århus will build a new highrise, please make the tread :) Hopefully it will not end up in some drawer like Lighthouse tower has.

Regarding the Radisson, building permit should only take a couple of months i guess, if the moneybag opens you could maybe expect construction sometime on the new year? It is nice to have a separate tread for good projects like this, so one can easily go back and see the photos from every step of construction.

Any scandinavian construction project at 100m+ goes right into my subscriptionlist:)

As you say yourself, this project is only planned and it could take a war or two, before it´s approved by the city and the investors.
Isn't this project already approved, or am I missing out on something?

Isn't this project already approved, or am I missing out on something?
It sure is. The Norwegian owners just need to send some money our way.

@Ingenioren It actually looks a little brighter for the Light House too.

It was mentioned that it needed a building permit(formality). Plus it needed final approval from the investors (funding.) Some time will also be used to plan details in the projects and negotiate with contractors, so 6-12 months before activity on site wouldn't surprice me, could be faster if they are in a hurry... :)

It actually looks a little brighter for the Light House too.

Hopefully these project-treads will be used for developments such as the light house, Sky tower, Marble pier, Bella center etc. (Or atleast the Danish highrise-forums, as those who don't have a special interest in the specific towns, but just highrises in general will easily get an overview :)

Okay, you sounds pretty sure about the architectchoice, how can you be so sure ?

Because the district plan has its point of departure in the design of Kim Utzon on ALL accounts. It is not a "rammelokalplan" as LP 325 that gives you a lot more flexibility.

It they don't stick to the design of Kim, then they will have to go through a whole new process, although exemptions are seen - e.g. Hambrosgade.

It was mentioned that it needed a building permit(formality). Plus it needed final approval from the investors (funding.) Some time will also be used to plan details in the projects and negotiate with contractors, so 6-12 months before activity on site wouldn't surprice me, could be faster if they are in a hurry... :)

I don't know if Wenass-gruppen is in such a hurry, they already have investments and constructions going on in russia, and with 2500 new or upcoming hotelrooms in CPH, it's not exactly the capacity of hotelrooms that's wrong, but more tourism and conferences we need.
On the other hand the investmentsmarket had a turn over, and it's possible to take loans relatively cheap, so we have to cross our fingers and hope this project will start soon.
I have a friend working on the hotel, so I'll try to catch some informations/gossib from there :D

I'm ready for construction!
This will be my photoangle, if the construction will start, shot in 50 meters height from "Our saviors church" tower situated at Christianshavn.I will follow the proces every month.
So let's move :)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x7Ya4Jbcebg/THg8eOfZnYI/AAAAAAAAA_w/lON7wVRPY7k/s1280/028.JPG

If interested I can contribute from an other angel. The distance is quite far away, and I have to use digital zoom, so the pictures will not be as good as yours. The pictures are from Fyrholm, Sluseholmen.

http://www.kifora.dk/Web/_private/IMG_7702.jpg

http://www.kifora.dk/Web/_private/IMG_7703.jpg

Hi Thomas,

A photo joint-venture would be perfect, and your photos shows exactly the problem with this building from your southern point of view.
The ugly concreteline in the middle, dominating one whole side of the buildings southside without windows, and then of course it's to low in relation to the buildings width.

I always thought the hotel seen from Rådhuspladsen was okay, so here one seen from north.

So with our ready cameraes, Wenass-gruppen can safely start construction :)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x7Ya4Jbcebg/S_rt-7cEDHI/AAAAAAAABAU/5_XL61J2N0Q/s640/066.JPG

I'm ready - just give me some cranes and some more floors:-)

This is just for fun:

http://cl.ly/29Y1/content

^^ Cool!

^^
Voilá, we got ourself a real scraber.

Magnificient moveteam :applause:, look those proportions, absolutely perfect.

It looks just great - moveteam - send it to the Utzon office, so they have a sketch to work from.

Very nice work by Moveteam indeed. However, I also think this beautiful piece by mlm deserves to be conmemorated in this thread:

That last render even starts to look like a flower vase, I almost feel like arranging some flowers in it - maybe that design will appeal to some of the old ladies with blue hair and pearl necklesses which happens to be pretty much how I imagine a nimby!

So you would go for something like this or?

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/blomster.jpg

With all the focuss on green roofs these days, who knows, maybe it will actually happen.

I found this document today, that I saw in Berlingske back in may, unfortunately I don't know to copy it, so it comes as a link (http://www.byggefakta.dk/download/byggebarometer_berlingske/bt_byggebarometer_uge_20.pdf), interesting to see that Utzon is the architect doing the schetches, but the "real" architect is Erik Herløw's tegnestue.

Another thing is I wrote to the Wenass-gruppen itself(naive ?), and hoping they will take their time to respond it. :smug:

^^Interesting. Herløw's will probably function as the executive architect. As we have been discussing elsewhere, I found an interesting article (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/architects-behind-the-starchitects-2) on that matter.

Another thing is I wrote to the Wenass-gruppen itself(naive ?), and hoping they will take their time to respond it. :smug:
Funny, was just about to do it myself. Keep us updated!

They should really go ahead with those plans. Who the hell will want to stay in that run-down eyesore with the Bella Hotel just around the corner. (I am TOTALLY unbiased here and am ONLY thinking on their own provenues:angel1:)

I found this document today, that I saw in Berlingske back in may, unfortunately I don't know to copy it, so it comes as a link (http://www.byggefakta.dk/download/byggebarometer_berlingske/bt_byggebarometer_uge_20.pdf), interesting to see that Utzon is the architect doing the schetches, but the "real" architect is Erik Herløw's tegnestue.



What merits does Erik Herløw's tegnestue hold that qualify them for such a big and important assignment?

What merits does Erik Herløw's tegnestue hold that qualify them for such a big and important assignment?

In continuation of Fab5's post about the architects behind the starchitects, what merits did JJW hold that qualified them for Gemini Residence, Kasper Danielsen for Metropolis - both great buildings - or the excellent but very young firm Adept for any of MVRDW's laterprojects in Denmark?

And what qualifies Kim Utzon for anything really...

does anybody know if they're planning on expanding the casino aswell or is it just the hotel part?

does anybody know if they're planning on expanding the casino aswell or is it just the hotel part?

I haven't so far heard anything with relevance for the casino, but I know a guy who worked as groupier for severel years and he was fired because of strong loss of customers and in income from the gambling, so I'm not so sure if the plan will include an extension there.

If you study the localplan for the area, you will see that the parking will be transformed to a 6 storeys building, and all parking will be placed underground.
The building as far as I understand this marathonplan, will continue to Amager Boulevard, but in a lower scale.

So to answer your question, my best guess will be that there will come physical changing, but not nessesairy an extension of the casino.

And what qualifies Kim Utzon for anything really...

I agree to the utmost

^^, visit Kalkbrænderihavnen in the northern harbour of CPH and you will see.

I´m happy that you are going to follow the hotel extension from the the top of the spiral stairs Hafnia, as I don´t have the nerve to go up there.
On the other hand I think I will follow it from KUA as shown on the photo as I can follow two projects at the same time.
Demolition coming along nicely.


http://i56.tinypic.com/2s0fx2s.jpg

and here is a view of the almost finished Metrolpol building and the future "Rambla" which will eventually lead into the area in the first photo.
Lots of activity in the ground floor. What is it going to be, cafés, shops??
Future water basin on the right connecting with the landscape canal a few meters away.

http://i56.tinypic.com/1rqaut.jpg

Thank you Never give up, the spire is one my favourite places in town, especially when you hear and feel the old tower moving at windy days :)

About the hotelproject, no news from here except that I today read in Børsen that it' s still considered as a soon upcoming project that will be finished in 2013.
Believe me I really try to find any clues that lead to some kind of indication or speculation about the development..I even wrote Wenass-gruppen, but of course, with out any result.

Batteriet will in a few years time have changes radically, hopefully to a new part of town that we'll be proud of.

The founder of Wenass-Gruppen Mr.Lars Wenass, in Skt Petersborg, as you can read in this article from the norwegian RBNett, telling that the Wenass-Gruppen, despite the international oconomicially crises, where able to create a surplus of 852 mill. Nkr in 2009, quite impressive these days.

It apparent also they does heavy financiel investment in Moscow and in Skt. Petersburg, so that means they maybe have theire focus pointed in other directions than the Hotel Radisson Blu Scandinavia.
RBNett (http://www.rbnett.no/lokal/molde/article229743.ece)

http://www.rbnett.no/multimedia/dynamic/00299/wenaas_299579c.jpg

Posted this one by mistake on the Copenhagen thread, where of course it could be, Islands Brygge being in Copenhagen and the Radisson hotel definately (visually)

....yet another angle on this project.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2aio7z7.jpg

Funny how the hotel looks good from this angel, because of the better proportions, but also due the high density around it, and the rising attitude.

Well done Ngu :)

A boring Sunday:

http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/6761237a5f8.png/

The owner the Radisson Blue Scandinavia Hotel, Wenass-gruppen, continously increasing the numbers of hotels, this time in Düsseldorf, and according to the article, Lars Wenass say that the hotel market is going up, this hopefully will speed up the plans for the danish hotel.

http://www.andalsnes-avis.no/nyheter/article280741.ece

Wrong thread

:bash: bit of an anti post this one, just to show that nothing, absolutely nothing has progressed for the Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel.
But i´m still waiting for good news ;). Since D'angleterre and 2 times Scandic, has decided to renovate their hotels, and with the arrivel of all the new hotels - including the cool Tivoli hotel were this picture is taken from - Scandinavia MUST soon do something radical. They recently had a terrible restaurant review at the old thai restaurant "The blue elephant", and when you read what the guests are writing about the hotel, something has to change.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_x7Ya4Jbcebg/TbUl5HJNg3I/AAAAAAAAEi0/F7UCSIgn-FA/s1280/143.JPG

^^ Couldn't agree more. And nice shot...

Desperate for news, but here is some good news for the hotel business in DK:

Danske hoteller er blevet et hit
Mandag den 9. maj 2011, 09:37

Både udenlandske og danske turister er vendt tilbage til de danske hoteller, der har massiv fremgang.

Danske hoteller er populære. Både hos danskerne og de udenlandske turister. Til gengæld går det tilbage for feriecentre og vandrerhjem.

Antallet af overnatninger på de danske hoteller er nu steget 14 måneder i træk, viser nye tal fra Danmarks Statistik.

Samlet blev der i marts foretaget 1.026.400 overnatninger på hoteller feriecentre og vandrerhjem i marts. Det er en stigning på 18.000 overnatninger eller to procent.

Og det er netop hotellerne, der trækker fremgangen. Antallet af hotelovernatninger steg med ni procent til 760.000 - det er det højeste marts-tal siden statistikkens start.

Omvendt faldt antallet af overnatninger på feriecentre med 42.000 eller 17 procent i marts, hvoraf hovedparten skyldes en nedgang i danske overnatninger på 39.000.

Vandrerhjem havde 6000 eller otte procent færre overnatninger end i marts 2010, viser tal fra Danmarks Statistik.

Samlet var de 342.000 overnatninger fra udenlandske turister, og det er en stigning på 37.000 eller 12 procent sammenlignet med samme måned året før.

Gæster fra Sverige og Norge havde 7000 flere overnatninger, svarende til en stigning på seks procent, mens tyskerne overnattede tre procent flere gange.

Desperate for news, but here is some good news for the hotel business in DK:
I know exactly how you feel.

The other day, i spoke to a guy managing a travel incoming agency. We talked about the hotel, and in his opinion the hotel has been hesitating too long, and he meant it was too late now for an extension of the hotel, and instead the hotel wanna concentrate about a renovation of the rooms.
I hope he's wrong.

any news about this project ? I really hope it's goa be extended :)

any news about this project ? I really hope it's goa be extended :)
The only news, is there ain't no news.

The norwegian owners (Wenass gruppen) has used a lot of money the last years in buying up in Europe and Russia, that's maybe why they hold back the 20 mill. Euro investment for the Scandinavia Blu Radisson Hotel.
Another reason is the Copenhagener hotel market is too bad business these days, due the many new hotels in town, the missing tourists, and the low prices for a room. Obvestly the situation is changing slowly to the better now, and we have many guests coming in with huge cruise ships that spent one night here at hotels, and also many Asians tourist is passing by and spent money on luxeryeries because of the taxfree.
So all in all it gives the impression that our hotels are on their feed again, and the optimism is back. One year has gone, since the maneging director announced the extension for the hotel. So that's pretty weird that nothing has happend untill now.

Hmm, it is getting weird with norwegians and tall buildings. :nuts: :)

@Hafnia I thought I had heard figures in the €60m class.. €20m for ten new floors + new cladding seems a little low?

^^

I guess you're right Moveteam; 150 mill. dkr., is not enough. Apologize for the wrong information :)

I write in my first post on page 1, that the extension costs is calculated to 500 mill.dkr. So your figures make sense, especially when we know the cost for one room in general is around 1 mill. dkr. and 190 extra rooms were planned + the the whole cladding, renovation and the underground parking and buildings around the hotel.

Hopefully something will emerge in the nearest future, maybe a sale of the hotel, or some extension or renovation in some extent.
All though most of us forumers wish the enlarging to go up to the 130 meters.

^^

I guess you're right Moveteam; 150 mill. dkr., is not enough. Apologize for the wrong information :)

I write in my first post on page 1, that the extension costs is calculated to 500 mill.dkr. So your figures make sense, especially when we know the cost for one room in general is around 1 mill. dkr. and 190 extra rooms were planned + the the whole cladding, renovation and the underground parking and buildings around the hotel.

Hopefully something will emerge in the nearest future, maybe a sale of the hotel, or some extension or renovation in some extent.
All though most of us forumers wish the enlarging to go up to the 130 meters.
You are probably right :) A renovation of some kind is inevitable sooner or later, even if that doesn't mean more floors. Would be lovely with a real tall building visible from the inner city though and more harmony between the height and width. The Radisson Plaza hotel in Oslo is heading in the other direction, sadly. But if Radisson Scandinavia still wants to attract a lot of their business customers, they need to do something with all the pretty hotels popping up around the city. Maybe it's a bad investment in the short term, but in the longer run it only makes sense.. And we want our tiny skyscraper too :lol:

Consider to change the Scandinavia Radisson Blu Hotel thread, to a hotel development thread, due the lack of news :naughty:

While we're waiting, another story from the traveller web "take off".
One Norwegian hotel chain (First) take over another Norwegian hotel chain
(Choice). Seems they got the money, but not the knowledge these Norwegian.

http://www.takeoff.dk/news/21256

Seems they got the money, but not the knowledge these Norwegian.
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I'd say that in business, as a general rule of presumption, those who have the money, have the knowledge.:)

Consider to change the Scandinavia Radisson Blu Hotel thread, to a hotel development thread, due the lack of news :naughty:

While we're waiting, another story from the traveller web "take off".
One Norwegian hotel chain (First) take over another Norwegian hotel chain
(Choice). Seems they got the money, but not the knowledge these Norwegian.

http://www.takeoff.dk/news/21256

Well, if this project ever does happen, then it obviously deserves it's own thread, but I do like they idea of a Hotel thread for general news and project opdates, that might normally not fit into the other threads we have here...

^^in Copenhagen
I don't exactly think we will se many new hotel projects the next few years so I am not really sure about the need for a dedicated hotels thread. And if some do emerge anyway, I think they are likely to do so in places like Nordhavnen or Carlsberg which have got geographically defined threads already, making it unclear where to find and post stuff. And I agree this one deserves its own thread if it does proceed eventually.:)

^^
Sorry to trap you up in here, just want to tell you how important this hotel project is, especially now where Stockholm (you know, the capital of Scandinavia :laugh:) have the highest hotel among the Nordic countries.
The impressive, but ugly 118 m. high Victoria Tower in Kista.

It's about time the Scandinavia Radisson hotel get their fingers out, and get started with the construction.

http://www.takeoff.dk/news/21760

^^ Argh, had hoped for some better news than that. But of course you're right, we want construction now... ;-)

^^ Argh, had hoped for some better news than that. But of course you're right, we want construction now... ;-)
Me too. My heart skips a beat every single time :lol:

^^
Sorry to trap you up in here, just want to tell you how important this hotel project is, especially now where Stockholm (you know, the capital of Scandinavia :laugh:) have the highest hotel among the Nordic countries.
The impressive, but ugly 118 m. high Victoria Tower in Kista.

Not sure I think it counts as 10 floors of Victora Tower is used to offices apparently. This means that Oslo Plazas hotel part (the whole building) is still higher.

#I'm not completely objective mind you#

Not sure I think it counts as 10 floors of Victora Tower is used to offices apparently. This means that Oslo Plazas hotel part (the whole building) is still higher.

#I'm not completely objective mind you#
Okay didn't know that, then let's give the honour to the norwegian ;-)

^^
Sorry to trap you up in here, just want to tell you how important this hotel project is, especially now where Stockholm (you know, the capital of Scandinavia :laugh:) have the highest hotel among the Nordic countries.
The impressive, but ugly 118 m. high Victoria Tower in Kista.

It's about time the Scandinavia Radisson hotel get their fingers out, and get started with the construction.

http://www.takeoff.dk/news/21760

You really think its that ugly? imagine if it would stand in cph, would you still say its ugly? i dont belive you if you say yes..

^^ Well, I think it is ugly. I also think most of the highrises in Copenhagen are ugly. The same goes for most of the highrises in Oslo by the way. We are just not good at it in the Scandinavian capitals, but hopefully that will change at some point.

Ferring, SAS Royal do have some class imo :)

Everything is awfully boxy though, wonder if we'll get a building like 30 St Mary Axe?
Bella Sky could've been so much better if it wasn't for the cladding..

Everything is awfully boxy though, wonder if we'll get a building like 30 St Mary Axe?
Bella Sky could've been so much better if it wasn't for the cladding..

I for one don't mind boxy highrises, and I will take a boxy North America skyline over the half-melted things London seems to be developming these days. The problem with our highrises is more the lack of real height and the lack of urban setting imho (like the aforementioned Victoria Tower). And of course all of our cities sadly suffers from gray and boring highrises built between the '60s and '80s.
:)

You really think its that ugly? imagine if it would stand in cph, would you still say its ugly? i dont belive you if you say yes..
So really no reason to reply then ;) - but here it comes anyway.

No doubt that Stockholm is a great great city, with a development and many projects - including the Victoria Tower - we Danes only could dream of.

But in case of Victoria Tower, the cladding remind me of the inner of a deep freezer, and the building seems almost to radiate hostile on the exterior.

But of course, photos and renders don't do it, and it would be justice to give it closer reality check.

good answer :) Yes you should see it "IRL". Ofcourse all people dont like the same things, but i think it looks really cool !

here's a fresh pic!
http://www.peab.se/Temp/IMG2042205854.jpg

I think Oslo Plaza is cooler, and it was built in the 80's..

Inspite of the hotel crisis world wide and in Denmark 2010, the Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel managed to create a surplus of 20 million dkr.
Rare these days, and maybe another indication of some development.
http://www.takeoff.dk/news/21785

I think that Copenhagen had a increase in hotel guest's the last year so a crisis is not the best word to use.

But the general price on hotel rooms has been falling with around 10% so i'm guessing that the lower prices has attracted a new clientel combined with the ever increasing cruise guest.

F... :bash: I guess we can shot this thread down.

I går åbnede de to første nyrenoverede etager på Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel.

Det er begyndelsen på en totalrenovering af i alt 470 værelser, der vil stå klar i december 2012. ”Autumn”-værelserne er kendetegnet af sæsonens varme efterårsfarver, mens ”Spring”-værelsernes klare, rene linjer vil give en følelse af fornyelse. Alle værelser er rummelige med et nutidigt look og har alt, hvad der er behov for, for at gøre opholdet perfekt for alle slags rejsende.

- Jeg er meget begejstret for at have fået sat gang i renoveringen og glæder mig rigtig meget til resultatet. Hotellet får et helt nyt indre, fra værelser til konferencelokaler og korridorer, og både turister, forretningsrejsende og mødedeltagere vil få utrolig meget glæde af det, siger Roy A. Kappenberger, General Manager på Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel.



http://www.horesta.dk/da-DK/Nyheder%20og%20Politik/Nyheder/Presseklip/2011/11/15/Radisson%20Blu%20Scandinavia%20Hotel%20nyrenoveret

For now at least :(

Øv, øv, øv...

Jeg skal faktisk i denne uge have ringet til hotellets direktør og hørt om nyt ang. dette – men tror stadig planen er på sporet…
A mail from Henrik Baumgarten from Take-Off.

Crossing my fingers.

^^ Have you heard anything from Henrik? My crossed fingers has gone into a cramp ;)

Ye, he talked with the hotel director. Nothing new, still waiting on the starting signal from the Norwegians.

I guess that's better than dropped ;-)

Ye, he talked with the hotel director. Nothing new, still waiting on the starting signal from the Norwegians.

I guess that's better than dropped ;-)
I went to the casino, wednesday this week, full house with a lot of activity :)

Great, I keep my fingers crossed then ;)

^^ +1 :)

It's not quite dead yet:
http://www.takeoff.dk/news/22733

FANTASTIC!

Yeah, that's great!

^^ Thanks for sharing Riisla :)
Thanks God that the old project is still around, though it maybe more is wishful thinking from Kappenberger, than reality.
On the other hand, when the old concrete buncker reach is 40 years birthday next year it could be fulfilled from the norwegian Santa Claus.

The owners of Raddisson have applied to the municipality for dispensation from the approved lokalplan, with the project which was designed by Kim Utzon.
Now it is a (cheaper) less sculptural design by Erik Herløws office for the high rise (still with the extra 10 floors) and where the low buildings are postponed to a second stage. The park/waterlandscape out to Amager Boulevard has survived the changes.

http://www.kk.dk/~/media/5632D56DC84F47EA905D5DD00C8B3FAC.ashx

What do you think of it guys? I supose anything is better than the present situation but....


http://i49.tinypic.com/zv60xs.jpg

Dispensation granted...buuuuuilt!

But yeah, mainly based on the "anything's better" criteria. Still, that argument is good enough for me in this case.:)

It looks decent.

Horrible. Plain horrible. The rectangular high-rise will always be a challenge, but that was the whole point of KU's design - it kind of broke the facade up and thus created a building that was less heavy and dominating, although enlarged considerably. This is terrible - what a massive, uninspiring, wall-like building.

I'm not impressed. Maybe its just because I liked Utzon interpretation of the high rise so much more. I have to agree with Fab 5 that I fear the new suggestion will have the appearence of a wall, although its hard to tell the final result from the current renderings.
I just guess you cannot expect world class architecture from a hotel

Better like the old proposal, but its still better than the present building.

What do you think of it guys? I supose anything is better than the present situation but....


http://i49.tinypic.com/zv60xs.jpg

First thanks for posting it Ngu, it's a dream come true here..

I had totally given up this project, and now we can start dreaming again. Dreaming of one single building that can satisfy all our wishes of living in a metropol with a metropolitan face. it is honestly not the worlds most impressive design, at least not what we can tell from the renders, and the missing base extension, the stage ll, located around is a shame. Though the size of that building.

I Love it.

Kim Utzon's design didn't seem like more than a sketch.

Some more organic curves would have been nice, but better than canceling the project or starting with phase 2.

Tall and slim is not the most horrible thing.

Erik Herløws Tegnestue (good to see the old Tegnestue tiltle again, before the whole world went crazy 'anglo-tecturial') has been around this project for a long time.
I don't know anything about the role, but guess there has been some thought of joint venture with Utzon Architects. Mentioning Kim Utzon, he is not very active these days, at least not by judging at the activity level on his web page.

I like the new proposal. Would have liked the "blown apart glass" look but in all respects this could look to be a slender, elegant glass box. And as has been mentioned: anything's better than the current look, right?

I like the new proposal. Would have liked the "blown apart glass" look but in all respects this could look to be a slender, elegant glass box. And as has been mentioned: anything's better than the current look, right?

I couldn't agree more

^^ This project, if realized, could turn out as our days SAS Royal Hotel. Imagine how shocked people must have been in 1960 when it was completed.

I prefer this look. It is more in line with the nordic aesthetic. Clean lines.

But difficult to judge the texture from the picture.

I must disagree with most of you. Think it appears as a very backwards looking project - and I don't buy the argumentation in terms of just because the present situation is quite depressing, then everything new will automatically be better. Not if you get something that is 1/3 taller and even more massive in its appearance.

It is a very delicate task to design tall, rectangular high-rises.

It is pretty obvious what the reason is in terms of going for the new project: The business case was just not attractive enough re the KU project.

Think this new design reminds me a little bit of Falconer Hotel, which is an OK representative of its time - but just not something that you would build today.

^^
Well it is also a ver delicate task to design not so y rectangular high-rises. I absolutely hated Kim Utzon's design and think it combined with Bella Sky to form the beginning of an Amager Hall of Shame of pathetic-looking, incapable attempts of designing iconic which in fact end up looking nothing but tacky. I would have loved something like L&T's Culture Casbah in Malmö but that is obviously not something you make of of the current building and would, as you point out yourself, never make for a decent business case. Just see how Bella Sky has virtually broken the neck of Bella Centre (can't be long before the new, foreign owner is announced) and all that has come out of the efforts is something that makes me sad about the vasted oportunity every time I look at it. I have nothing good to say about the new Radison design but that it doesn't try to be something that it isn't. I am not really very hung up on height in general but for this particular building, often seen from a far, I actually think a bit more massiveness could benefit the site in its own right. But sure, by all means, it would have been nice with just a small redeeming feature to destinguish it from the absolutely lowest denominator.

I just really donn't want to be looking at THIS when I sit at the completed Brewhouse project:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Marmorbroen.jpg/800px-Marmorbroen.jpg

@Ramblersen: Well said.

Why should we change this building into a tacky "international" glass building with no soul? It'll be just like a thousand other buildings being put up. Let it mean something in that location, visible from many areas of Copenhagen.

Lets hope they don't save on materials and make the new design tacky as well.

@Ramblersen: Well said.

Why should we change this building into a tacky "international" glass building with no soul? It'll be just like a thousand other buildings being put up. Let it mean something in that location, visible from many areas of Copenhagen.

Lets hope they don't save on materials and make the new design tacky as well.

The problem is though the entire danish mentality is about saving saving and saving... Everything has to be done as cheap as possible, hence why 98% of our newer/modern buildings are boring squared boxes with nothing exciting about them what so ever.

That being said, I like the newest proposol.. Not more than the 1st one, but generally speaking I still like it.. Nothing special I admit, but, like it's been mentioned 100 times already, it's still a lot better than what's there now..

The problem is though the entire danish mentality is about saving saving and saving... Everything has to be done as cheap as possible, hence why 98% of our newer/modern buildings are boring squared boxes with nothing exciting about them what so ever.
Agree with you Hviid, though in this case you can't blame the Danes, since the Hotel is Norwegian owned :)

^^
In general, I don't think it makes sense to blame commercial enterprises for developing projects that will enable them to make a profit. The real villon here is the high Danish construction costs which mean that we can cut away all the extras and still end up paying more than the next guy. Another thing that should be kept in mind is that in some places they spend the entire budget on a shiny surface which hide utter shit on the inside.

Agree with you Hviid, though in this case you can't blame the Danes, since the Hotel is Norwegian owned :)

Well it's not the norwegians fault either.. Take a look at the Radisson blu hotel in Frankfurt, or Birmingham.. Here are 2 good examples of how Radisson can actually be something really luxurious/cool! But thanks to our boring mentality here, we have to keep ours simple, and like ramblersen said, constructioners are expensive as hell here (thank god, since i'm in this business myself.. hehe..) so that results in us having to use the money we have on something thats easy and cheap to build...

Before it was even built:
Politiken, 24/7-1970:

http://hjemmesidefabrikken.com/xnotsop_diversebilleder/Politiken24-07-70.JPG

The problem is though the entire danish mentality is about saving saving and saving... Everything has to be done as cheap as possible, hence why 98% of our newer/modern buildings are boring squared boxes with nothing exciting about them what so ever.

That being said, I like the newest proposol.. Not more than the 1st one, but generally speaking I still like it.. Nothing special I admit, but, like it's been mentioned 100 times already, it's still a lot better than what's there now..

I agree. Too much junk being made in all aspects of life including construction. Too much focus on the "veneer" and not enough on the function. Copenhagen is not too bad when you consider the international standard but we could do much better with our wealth in knowledge and capital. This has always been a fight between slow considered quality and cheap fast junk. Thankfully our forebears won quite a few of these fights for the better. But it never truly ends.

On savings I agree. We build houses to last hundreds of years, not to tear them down and replace them in five or ten years as you sometimes see in booming Asia. We should invest the necessary 10 or 20% more and get it right the first time. These investments make us collectively richer once you view cities as immortal.

I agree. Too much junk being made in all aspects of life including construction. Too much focus on the "veneer" and not enough on the function. Copenhagen is not too bad when you consider the international standard but we could do much better with our wealth in knowledge and capital. This has always been a fight between slow considered quality and cheap fast junk. Thankfully our forebears won quite a few of these fights for the better. But it never truly ends.

On savings I agree. We build houses to last hundreds of years, not to tear them down and replace them in five or ten years as you sometimes see in booming Asia. We should invest the necessary 10 or 20% more and get it right the first time. These investments make us collectively richer once you view cities as immortal.

I totally agree with you :)

Before it was even built:
Politiken, 24/7-1970:


Great find Lars :okay:, and funny how the hotel was planned in a reverse angle on the pic, than it actually ended up with.
I like the first slim design much better than the final btw..

Michael Varming (died in 2008) who's mentioned in the article, later on become vice president for the 'Foreningen for Hovestadens forskønnelse' and was a very strong and respected voice for the organization in severels years. Though also the reason that I decided to cancel my membership of the association when they voted against the Van Egeraats Krøyers Plads plans.

However, can't deny they have a high standard of knowledge regarding architecture and urban planning. My problem with them, they always vote against new larger project, and in generel want to preserve the city as it is/was.

FHS. is (of course) against the enlarging of the Scandinavia Radisson Blu Hotel, as you can read here.
Juni 2009: Hotel Scandinavia på Amager
Foreningen til Hovedstadens Forskønnelse udtaler sig om ombygningen af Hotel Scandinavia på Amager.

Foreningen til Hovedstadens Forskønnelse (Forskønnelsen) kan udmærket forstå ejerens ønske om at ville opgradere og videreudvikle Hotel Scandinavia, da Bent Severins monolitiske betonklods fra 1972 med sit uartikulerede, kantede formsprog, absolut ikke er et af byens umistelige værker.

Det som Forskønnelsen i dette tilfælde stiller sig tvivlende overfor er derfor ikke ønsket om at ville renovere hotellet, eller skitseprojektets æstetiske udformning, men overfor hvorvidt projektet lever op til kommunens overordnede højhusstrategi. Kort sagt stiller Forskønnelsen sig tvivlende overfor om der reelt bliver tale om et højhus som formår at indfri de krav og forventninger, som byens borgere er blevet stillet i udsigt med hensyn til de bidrag til hovedstaden, som højhuse kan levere.

At dette aspekt ved projektet er relevant, skyldes at der ikke blot er tale om en mindre ombygning af det eksisterede hotel, men om en ganske betydelig udvidelse fra 540 til 1055 værelser, fra 26 til 36 etager (fra 86 til 124 meter) og fra en bebyggelsesprocent på 144 til 283. Tallene taler sit tydelige sprog og ifølge skitseforslaget vil der heller ikke være noget synligt tilbage af det eksisterende Hotel Scandinavia når projektet er fuldført, ligesom det vil være nødvendigt at ændre den gældende lokalplan. Og nok er lokalplaner ikke juridisk bindende, men projektet forekommer umiddelbart at være endnu et af mange eksempler på de eksisterende lokalplaners retningsmæssige ligegyldighed, når det gælder byggerier af en vis økonomisk og volumenmæssig størrelse.

Ser man dernæst på nogle af de argumenter som fra kommunalpolitisk side er fremført i debatten omkring højhuse, er der for det første branding-argumentet. Altså det forhold, at højhuse skal tjene markedsføringsmæssige formål, så som at tiltrække turister og investorer. Det gælder naturligvis også for det nye Hotel Scandinavia, der præsenteres som et af Københavns fremtidige, ’unikke’ vartegn. Det grundlæggende problem med denne form for arkitektonisk by-branding er bare det samme som med den kommunale babysitning af den kreative klasse: Der er ingen garanti for et positivt afkast. Der er og bliver ingen garanti for en positiv Bilbao-effekt, bare fordi man bygger højt og ekspressivt.

Tværtimod har denne type markedsorienteret arkitektur, der kan betegnes som begivenheds- eller oplevelsesarkitektur, meget ofte store konsekvenser for omgivelserne, da bygningerne for alt i verden ønsker at differentiere sig fra konteksten. Brandet / bygningen må kort sagt være unik for ikke at miste sin markedsværdi og den skal derfor træde frem som singulær og særlig. Frem for at kommunikere og interagere med sine omgivelser, søger disse værker derfor at udstille sig selv, hvilket gør dem umådeligt svære at integrere i de eksisterede byrum.

Ønsket om at brande hovedstaden på højhuse harmonerer derfor i praksis meget dårligt med en anden af kommunens hensigter med højhusene, nemlig at de skal være med til at styrke bylivet. Højhusene skal ifølge de kommunale visioner ’indeholde funktioner og skabe byrum, der fremmer et levende byliv, og som er et tilskud til kvarteret, byen og livet i byrummet’. Forskønnelsen stiller sig yderst tvivlende overfor om disse målsætninger kan opnås med det givne projekt, da det ikke rummer andre funktioner, end de som ethvert andet luksushotel har. Et tilskud til bylivet – ud over det liv som er tilknyttet ethvert hotel – bliver der derfor ikke tale om.

Der er ligeledes gentagne gange blevet argumenteret for, at højhuse kan være med til at fortætte byen, samt fremme brugen af kollektiv trafik. Fortætningen og det at fremme brugen af den kollektive trafik legitimeres i Hotel Scandinavias tilfælde af stationsnærheden til metrostationen Islands Brygge. Hotellet ligger således i et af de ’stationsnære kerneområder’ det både fra statslig og kommunal side er meningen skal udnyttes med ’bebyggelsesprocenter, der modsvarer den centrale beliggenhed og gode tilgængelighed’. Men er der virkelig nogen som tror på, at gæster til et luksushotel vil tage med metroen når der samtidig bygges en underjordisk parkeringskælder ved hotellet? Og er der i dette tilfælde tale om en central beliggenhed og god tilgængelighed? Nej og nej. For et af problemerne med det eksisterede Hotel Scandinavia er netop den trivielle placering, der hverken samler akser op eller genererer noget form for centrum, men blot er placeret i et trafikalt kryds, skærmet af de voldsomt befærdede Amager Boulevard og Artillerivej.

Så selvom kvaliteten af byggeriet utvivlsomt vil være i orden, og selvom det utvivlsomt bliver til et dejligt konference- og forretningshotel, så vil en realisering ikke resultere i andet end endnu en singulær, begivenhedsrelateret arkitektonisk gestus, der som endnu en isoleret episode kan skrives ind i den efterhånden lange fortælling om København som byen der igen og igen forsøger at brande sig på oplevelsesarkitektur, men som endnu ikke har forstået, at de bygninger som bliver til varige vartegn, næsten altid er kulturinstitutioner og ikke private ejendomme.

Forskønnelsen mener, at det er og bliver et politisk ansvar at undgå denne problematiske ad hoc udvikling samt at sikre, at der ikke blot på papiret eksisterer en såkaldt højhusstrategi, men også at denne følges af alle, således at hovedstadens bygnings- og byrumsudvikling ikke alene ender som resultatet af politikernes accept af investorers og developeres ofte kortsigtede økonomiske og markedsføringsmæssige interesser.

FHF

I totally agree with you :)

I second that! :)

^^ Guys, get a room! :lol:

It's interesting to see how Nimbys haven't changed during all these years. I wonder what if they had been succesful back then, and that ugly SAS-hotel hadn't been built? Then we might not have experienced so much resistance against highrises later on with all the crazy resistance against Krøyers Plads etc. But then again, that's probably not how it works. And then again, we wouldn't be on the verge of getting a nice (nearly) new +100 scraper to top off Ørestad.

I just can't help thinking, WHAT IF the SAS-hotel, Domus vista etc. hadn't been built or hadn't been soooooo ugly. Maybe we could have had a nice new generation of scrapers in town already.

And thanks Hafnia for posting that FHS thing. What a reckless attitude being against this project. The consequence would be that we have to look at that ugly thing for 50 more years maybe. What are they thinking?? With these attitudes they are placing themselves solidly in a place where no one will bother listening to them anymore.

I just can't help thinking, WHAT IF the SAS-hotel, Domus vista etc. hadn't been built or hadn't been soooooo ugly. Maybe we could have had a nice new generation of scrapers in town already.

Exactly. It makes you think doesn't it? And isn't it true of other parts of life? In another domain: What if the people who built nuclear power plants hadn't been so greedy and short sighted that they endangered us all with terrible designs, causing the public to switch from optimism in the future to mistrusting nuclear energy?

This greed and short sightedness now shows itself in all expert domains. The public doesn't trust experts anymore whether they are working on genetical engineering or are designing whole cities.

Actions have consequences far into the future.

I second that! :)

I totally agree with you :)

I'm glad you agree. But how do we fix this?

I'm not saying we can fix this. That would be miraculous. But can we improve things 10%? Is Skyscrapercity a way to improve the public discourse by 10%?

Sorry to drag you in here, without no other purpose than telling me if this pics shows fine for you. I mean no red x'es, black screens or whatever..:)
It's uploaded via Photobucket as I was recommended by some of you guys, and I'm aware it's a bit mini, though it is edited. I'm in a learning process, and struggeling with some cruise control there...

The pics of the hotel was taken 3 days ago from Vor Frelser Kirke, from where I previous pronounced will be 'shooting ground zero' during the construction.

http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Hafnia1/DSC_3138_zpsd797f170.jpg?t=1348042047

Sorry to drag you in here, without no other purpose than telling me if this pics shows fine for you. I mean no red x'es, black screens or whatever..:)
It's uploaded via Photobucket as I was recommended by some of you guys, and I'm aware it's a bit mini, though it is edited. I'm in a learning process, and struggeling with some cruise control there...

The pics of the hotel was taken 3 days ago from Vor Frelser Kirke, from where I previous pronounced will be 'shooting ground zero' during the construction.

http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Hafnia1/DSC_3138_zpsd797f170.jpg?t=1348042047

Shows perfectly, thanks for sharing

Shows perfectly, nice photo too!

The owners of Raddisson have applied to the municipality for dispensation from the approved lokalplan, with the project which was designed by Kim Utzon.
Now it is a (cheaper) less sculptural design by Erik Herløws office for the high rise (still with the extra 10 floors) and where the low buildings are postponed to a second stage. The park/waterlandscape out to Amager Boulevard has survived the changes.

http://www.kk.dk/~/media/5632D56DC84F47EA905D5DD00C8B3FAC.ashx

http://i49.tinypic.com/zv60xs.jpg

I have heard that the municipallity has refused dispensation for the revised design of the hotel.

Apparently they feel that a new exciting design was part of the deal to allow the extra 10 floors and when that is gone, the "good will" for the extra floors goes too. Good decision IMO Copenhagen. Maybe they will return to Kim Utzon´s design.

^^ If they return to the original design, then it definately will turn out as a good decision.

@Hafnia

Your photo shows fine here, and it is beautiful. Great job!

I wouldn't mind having seen this one go through. I don't think the new proposal was that bad, and I'm not a big fan of Kim Utzons design.

However I do agree with the principle of not letting a project get approved based on a spectacular (and maybe expensive) design, only to return later to get a dispensation for a cheaper design.

^^
Yes it is a very good signal to send. I hope the developer vill find a new architect who can come up with a third solution which is better looking - that both - without being outrageously expensive.

Or an outrageously expensive one which the developer found to be worth the investment of course but that is just not how the world works these days, sadly.

Can't really disagree what you guys are saying, I'm just soo f...... bored of waiting for this design and project..

Another one of the the poor thing..
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Hafnia1/DSC_3147.jpg?t=1348935239

Very nice photo!

:deadthrea

Well not totally .. or more specific the original Utzon project is was based on is dead..

(from the Aalborg thread)
Construction of this Utzon project on this prominent site in Aalborg is to start now and be completed by the end of next year.

Kim has left the buildings!
So now that he definitely is out of the Radisson Blu Scandinavia Hotel at Amager..
Byggeriet er tegnet af arkitekt Kim Utzon, der også har tegnet Utzon Centret nogle hundrede meter længere mod øst ad havnepromenaden. Efter at Kim Utzon stoppede på sin tegnestue, har en anden af Calums samarbejdspartnere, arkitektfirmaet Kjaer & Richter, arbejdet videre med projektet.

But...

The hope is always there, and I'm convinced that this hotel is undergoing some really big in the nearest future ( I always thought that .. ), and this one is the latest news from the hotel industry:
Landets hoteller fik en god start på 2013. De første overnatningstal fra Danmarks Statistik melder om en fremgang i overnatningstallet på knapt 29.000 sammenlignet med samme måned i fjor. Det svarer til en fremgang på 4,7 procent.
De udenlandske turister gik frem med 5,2 procent, mens de danske turister havde 4,4 procent flere overnatninger på hotel i januar i år.

På de største markeder var der fremgang for Sverige, Norge, Storbritannien og USA. På det tyske marked var der status quo, mens italienerne og hollænderne havde lidt færre overnatninger i januar end i samme måned i fjor.

- Det er rigtig glædeligt, at fremgangen i antallet af hotelovernatninger fortsætter. Det understreger endnu engang, at potentialet i dansk turisme er stort. Turismen vokser endnu hurtigere internationalt, og regeringen har set helt rigtigt ved at bruge højere momsafløftning på hotellerne som vækstredskab og jobskaber, siger HORESTAs formand, Jens Zimmer Christensen
The hotel celebrate its 40 years birthsday this year, and as far I remember they last year pronounced that some radical informations will appear regarding to this..

We'll see about this guys.... :cheers2:

Just realisere that the new chief designer Erik Herløws Tegnestue went bankrupt in december 2012..

Returned from the city of Hamburg.
Imagine Cph, Malmø and Aarhus and you understand the size of it.
Nice buildings, fantastic harbour and buzy neighbourhoods.

I lived not far from the Radisson Blu Hotel which I took a few images of, only to inspire the Wenassgruppen, if they don't know what to do :cheers:. The height of the building will be 'ungefähr' the same, and of course 'our' hotel is much broader, but I think the cladding is much better here, the proportions and the kind of scupturel expression the Hamburg hotel has give us a much more homogeneous building.

You judge..
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U44R2_WvhBI/UVV7I-tj-zI/AAAAAAAACHQ/jhH8s-s3Ksg/s1280/DSC_4515.JPG?gl=DK

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KLEZGFw0tHY/UVV7IYJdKnI/AAAAAAAACHI/uh-w9qn-xVg/s720/DSC_4514.JPG?gl=DK

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3_Gb54dHJUo/UVV7JplUA5I/AAAAAAAACHY/TWs4KWr14-s/s720/DSC_4532.JPG?gl=DK

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ozch2fOl3os/UVV7KcR-xUI/AAAAAAAACHg/0rU9TrV3ou8/s720/DSC_4534.JPG?gl=DK

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CvoE9_HIuNY/UVV7LKJUuZI/AAAAAAAACHo/VGvEsx_7sOU/s800/DSC_4540.JPG?gl=DK

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4GQmv8_NLV4/UVV7LzwHQ5I/AAAAAAAACHw/fCWyWHPrHCo/s1280/DSC_4529.JPG?gl=DK

Apparently the project is still alive:

http://www.urbandanmark.dk/index.php/8-byggeri-konstruktion-hovedstaden/286-radisson-blu-scandinavia-hotel-fastholder-planer-om-at-tilfore-10-etager

Apparently the project is still alive:

http://www.urbandanmark.dk/index.php/8-byggeri-konstruktion-hovedstaden/286-radisson-blu-scandinavia-hotel-fastholder-planer-om-at-tilfore-10-etagerGood 'news' that the owner Wenass-gruppen still is going for the enlarging, but surprising that they stick to the design from the closed Herløw's Tegnestue.

I find that surprising - but also very good news! - considering the decision by the municipality last August.

Does anybody know what has happened since last August since the Herløw proposal is back on track? Did Borgerrepræsentationen overrule Teknik- og Miljøudvalget? Google hasn't been very helpful..

Another article from today stating construction will start this year:
http://www.standby.dk/kobenhavnsk-storhotel-skal-vaere-10-etager-hojere/

And here is the decision from August:
https://subsite.kk.dk/PolitikOgIndflydelse/Moedemateriale/Teknik-OgMiljoeudvalget/27-08-2012/6591a27b-d3df-4a65-9ad9-d00aad52c1b3/888572a8-ad60-4787-b90c-3a83e63f622f.aspx

INDSTILLING OG BESLUTNING
Teknik- og Miljøforvaltningen indstiller, at Teknik- og Miljøudvalget godkender

at der meddeles dispensation fra bestemmelserne i tillæg nr. 3 til lokalplan nr. 327-1,2&3 ”Ny Tøjhus” om bebyggelsens ydre fremtræden og om parkering i konstruktion i forbindelse med påbygning af 10 etager på Hotel Scandinavia

PROBLEMSTILLING
Hotel Scandinavia ønskes udvidet med en anden facadeudformning end fastlagt i tillæg nr. 3 til lokalplan nr. 327-1,2&3, hvilket forudsætter dispensation. Erik Herløws Tegnestue har for ejeren af Hotel Scandinavia – Wenaas-gruppen - fremsendt et skitseforslag til påbygning af 10 etager på det eksisterende højhus med et mere forenklet facade end fastlagt i lokalplanen. Byggeønsket omfatter kun 1. etape, der er påbygning af de 10 etager, mens 2. etape, der omfatter byggeri på den nuværende parkeringsplads, herunder parkeringskælder, kommer på et senere tidspunkt. Der ønskes derfor også dispensation med hensyn til parkering i konstruktion for så vidt angår 22 pladser. Ejeren ønsker en afklaring af kommunens stilling til dispensationerne, inden der udarbejdes et egentligt byggeandragende.

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BESLUTNING
Teknik- og Miljøudvalgets beslutning i møde den 27. august 2012



Der blev stemt om indstillingen:



For indstillingen stemte 3 udvalgsmedlemmer: C, I og O.

Imod indstillingen stemte 7 udvalgsmedlemmer: A, B, F og Ø.

Ingen udvalgsmedlemmer undlod at stemme.



Indstillingen blev ikke vedtaget.

I find that surprising - but also very good news! - considering the decision by the municipality last August.

Does anybody know what has happened since last August since the Herløw proposal is back on track? Did Borgerrepræsentationen overrule Teknik- og Miljøudvalget? Google hasn't been very helpful..


:) Why do you think there should be a logical explanation?

Just joking.

Even the mainstream media focuses on this project.

http://politiken.dk/turengaartil/tgtsaersektion/ferieidanmark/ECE1947281/nye-etager-skal-goere-koebenhavnsk-storhotel-til-danmarks-hoejeste-bygning/

Tallest building in Denmark!

^^ It is terrific, no doubt about that, but as far as I remember this enlarging media stunt went on in spring 2010, 2011 and in 2012, and look what has happend so far ?

Another article about the plans - now in Politiken - and still noone seems to care about the fact that the city's highest and most visible Building will be designed by a bankrupt no-name architect.:wallbash:

I find that surprising - but also very good news! - considering the decision by the municipality last August.

Does anybody know what has happened since last August since the Herløw proposal is back on track?
I suppose this is what it comes Down to - our politicians don't give a shit about architecture or aestetics but only their ambitions to save the planet:

Ifølge standby.dk vil det ombyggede hotel få en helt ny glasfacade. Og det skulle desuden blive meget energivenligt.

http://politiken.dk/turengaartil/tgtsaersektion/ferieidanmark/ECE1947281/nye-etager-skal-goere-koebenhavnsk-storhotel-til-danmarks-hoejeste-bygning/

A little more about the project from Ingeniøren.
I´am also a bit worried about what compromises they have made to please the kommune.

http://ing.dk/artikel/koebenhavnerhotel-udvides-med-ti-etager-og-bliver-danmarks-hoejeste-bygning-157978

from the link below - ""Vi er meget tæt på at starte udbygningen. Det ville forundre mig meget, hvis den ikke begynder i år – og så tager det cirka halvandet år," siger hotellets direktør Roy Kappenberger til standby.dk."

http://www.magasinetkbh.dk/indhold/scandinavia-hotel-udbygning?utm_source=Magasinet+KBH+Nyhedsbrev&utm_campaign=836a1007ba-Nyhedsbrev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_77fa7e9efa-836a1007ba-407858209

A little more about the project from Ingeniøren.
I´am also a bit worried about what compromises they have made to please the kommune.

http://ing.dk/artikel/koebenhavnerhotel-udvides-med-ti-etager-og-bliver-danmarks-hoejeste-bygning-157978


Latest about the expansion.
Very interesting. :ohno:


http://i41.tinypic.com/a2dbw7.jpg

^^
Does not sound very promising. Seems like the owner is trying to put pressure on... someone... by talking up the project in the media :ohno:

^^ Speculations or maybe they're going for a sale ..
Wenass Gruppen will never succeed trying to squeeze that design through an adopted localplan, we all know that. The company can therefore under these circumstances sell the hotel below the excuse not getting their expansion.
Why so ?
To cover the option the hotel is not that good business maybe..

Yes, I'm on thin ice now, a poor speculator.

Anyways, it's just a letter - we really know nothing.

Anyways, it's just a letter - we really know nothing.

It does confirm though, that the administration (forvaltning) did not give an "administrative dispensation" as they entitled to, but which the politicians (udvalget) feared they had done without referring to them.
I believe this was the reason for sending this letter.

I don't see the problem here. There's still a lot of things to be done, before this projekt i ready to start. Seems like they're just discussing some details...