so you think it will happen? if it does it will look like the cross bronx expressway which would be cool

http://dcrit.sva.edu/wp-content/uploads/1975/01/cross-bronx-1.jpg

it will look tremendous! can you imagine where by 2050 Miami has an undeground subway and with I395 underground cover by small sections of parks. and who knows maybe after the same for I95 ;) but it takes courage from all officials and us (residents)to do all of these. And by then the port of Miami can expand too. I guess I am a visionary :), we all are otherwise we will be living on a 3rd world country ;)

Not that we are anywhere near to doing this but, they decided to go with the elevated option (really high) rather than digging in. However, I think funds have run out so things are stalled right now?

Not that we are anywhere near to doing this but, they decided to go with the elevated option (really high) rather than digging in. However, I think funds have run out so things are stalled right now?

yeah its stalled atm, i dont think it will start until 2020

Hopefully with the extra time they will change their mind and decide to go below grade if feasible. Downtown Portland also has an interstate dug in beside it, the neighborhood on the other side is almost seamlessly connected to downtown. It is fantastic.

I read an excellent quote once in a high school yearbook that has forever enticed me to think outside the box for "big" problems looking for a solution: If you can't lower the bridge, raise the river. In other words, I-395 is the topic of this discussion that we've all been concentrating on and debating tunneling vs. bridge/overpasses. I think a solution might be to "raise" the area surrounding it. So rather than burying 20-30 feet below grade, perhaps the highway should only be realigned at sea level and Miami should consider raising the terrain, street network, and development surrounding it. In the event of a storm surge, flooding any realigned tunnel won't be as big a concern; and the raised development would probably add a little real estate value to the neighborhood as its higher up and offers a new vantage point for residents of downtown.

Of course it's a big undertaking and not necessarily the best solution, but it's just a different opinion.

Hopefully with the extra time they will change their mind and decide to go below grade if feasible. Downtown Portland also has an interstate dug in beside it, the neighborhood on the other side is almost seamlessly connected to downtown. It is fantastic.

fingers cross, by the way i just took a look at it... and it looks rather nice. i wonder how long it took to construct and the cost

I read an excellent quote once in a high school yearbook that has forever enticed me to think outside the box for "big" problems looking for a solution: If you can't lower the bridge, raise the river. In other words, I-395 is the topic of this discussion that we've all been concentrating on and debating tunneling vs. bridge/overpasses. I think a solution might be to "raise" the area surrounding it. So rather than burying 20-30 feet below grade, perhaps the highway should only be realigned at sea level and Miami should consider raising the terrain, street network, and development surrounding it. In the event of a storm surge, flooding any realigned tunnel won't be as big a concern; and the raised development would probably add a little real estate value to the neighborhood as its higher up and offers a new vantage point for residents of downtown.

Of course it's a big undertaking and not necessarily the best solution, but it's just a different opinion.

talk about global warming preparation. but i'm with you.. i just don't think many of us here in Miami would favor that. Many of us start talking crap when we hear a tax credit to help with infrastructure. I read the Herald....lol :lol:

talk about global warming preparation. but i'm with you.. i just don't think many of us here in Miami would favor that. Many of us start talking crap when we hear a tax credit to help with infrastructure. I read the Herald....lol :lol:

I'm really more afraid of a new ice age...

Why? We would be the new NY then lol.

Why? We would be the new NY then lol.

Well, true, but imagine the problems it would cause with alot of northeners pouring down.

But, let's look at it from the bright side, no more empty condo buildings. :)

^^I don't get it... why would we come to an era of ice age?

^^I don't get it... why would we come to an era of ice age?

Well, out of several reasons.
Ice ages have come and gone throughout history, and we are well into that period now. Scientists belive that would there come a "spark", than this could become reality.
That spark could very well have come now, since the amount of sun spots on the sun is at an all-time low.
It is the sun spots that create the heat to warm the northern and southern parts of the hemisphere.
Since these are lacking, that could trigger a ice age.

Well, out of several reasons.
Ice ages have come and gone throughout history, and we are well into that period now. Scientists belive that would there come a "spark", than this could become reality.
That spark could very well have come now, since the amount of sun spots on the sun is at an all-time low.
It is the sun spots that create the heat to warm the northern and southern parts of the hemisphere.
Since these are lacking, that could trigger a ice age.

what about global warming?

what about global warming?

It explains everything!

^^ok ... so the sun melts the ice caps, i think it will only rise the sea levels, not cool it...to the extreme of another ice age. but who knows it can play out different.

^^ok ... so the sun melts the ice caps, i think it will only rise the sea levels, not cool it...to the extreme of another ice age. but who knows it can play out different.

Oh, I was kidding. I'm not a Warmite myself.

^^I don't get it... why would we come to an era of ice age?

what about global warming?

I am guessing that you are young and not versed in the politics of climate. The exchange here partially refers to the fact that the socio-political hand-wringing in recent years concerning global warming is ironic. Those of us old enough to recall the cold, icy winters of the 1970s and 1980s (The Miami Herald's infamous headline of 1/20/77, "The Day It Snowed in Miami" and other events) recall the discussions about another ice age coming. Phrases such as Siberian Express and Artic Express were being thrown about because of the sense that winter temperatures were getting colder. Since we are speaking of events of only a generation ago, the current discussions seem more than a little ironic, especially when claims are made as to longevity in data.

I read an excellent quote once in a high school yearbook that has forever enticed me to think outside the box for "big" problems looking for a solution: If you can't lower the bridge, raise the river.
High School Yearbook urban planning is great, "raise a river", there are probably some better ideas out there.

As it relates to I-395, I think that the freeway should be widened from the western edge of Watson Island to create extra lanes on the Westbound and Eastbound lanes. Eventually, they should eliminate the off/on ramps from Biscayne boulevard. Instead, new ramps should add ingress and egress onto Miami Avenue.

The elevated I-395 (without ramps) would allow for convenient pedestrian flow under the elevated freeway from Museum Park under the freeway to the Citi Square.

That idea provides a nice balance between cost and effectiveness. The idea serves the needs of efficient traffic flow, cost, and effective pedestrian experience.

That idea provides a nice balance between cost and effectiveness. The idea serves the needs of efficient traffic flow, cost, and effective pedestrian experience.

If it were made to look modern going through downtown with decorative art, then I'm ok with that. Like below:


http://www.baulderstone.com.au/images/projects/5/1.jpg

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If it were made to look modern going through downtown with decorative art, then I'm ok with that. Like below:
Those are nice pictures, but picture the area that we are talking
about.
It is the small stretch of land that starts on the bayfront and would extend only a few hundred yards from the water to Miami Avenue. With the off/on ramps eliminated, you will have green space from the Museum Park and pedestrian access under the bridges with sitelines to the $500M Performing Arts Center.

To put sculptures like that ones pictured on the highway would disstract from the beautiful Biscayne Bay. It would distract from the Performing Arts Center, and it would distract from the public spaces around Citisquare. This small stretch of highway would benefit from less, not more.