Hi I'm new to this forum thingy but I had some news that some people might find interesting. On the Adelaide City council website, after a bit of hunting around, I found that the council has either purchased or about to purchase an area next to the advertiser building for a joint development with News Limited, the owners of the Advertiser and many other national papers. Even though details are sketchy, I asked a friend who works at the Advertiser about it and he sais that development is on the cards. He said, and this is not confirmed at this stage, but a totally new complex will be designed, possibly two towers one at 15 levels and a second (which is pretty exciting for us Adelaideians!) 35 levels!! When I questioned this, knowing the height restrictions in place by the ACC, he said that due to the possible increase of available jobs and even inner city accomodation, the restriction may be raised, all be it to only 145 meters but still very, very interesting all the same!!!

Yeah, I had heard about this development, but never did I imagine that it would include such a tall tower!

But in Adelaide we will have to wait and see, because I know that from experience, things can be said but it's rare to see those things made into reality.

I must admit too I was surprised, but still it sounds good though!! Even though I am optimistic, I can't see a building much taller than Santos being built here in the near future. Residential, in a few years maybe, but even then oversupply may become an issue. We can only wait and see I guess!

jokes aside, that is freaking good news, also I'd be more inclined to take note of what this friend was saying that the height limit -may- be risen due specific circumstances, it -could- just happen with anything "proposed" over the height limit - i.e it's gotta have a good reason.

THAT's what I'd be taking note of ;)

tays

145m in Adelaide?! I thought you were joking at first. :D

On a serious scale though, if the 35 level building is true, then it's a good start to getting further back on track. Problem is though, that if the 35 level building is going to be next to the Advertiser building, that means Santos House would be blocking out the view of this building from the north, where most pics of Adelaide are taken from.

Can you place a link of the address of the ACC page here?

sounds very scetchy
it will be higher than the limit and also there is no demand for office space in adelaide
i really dont think adelaide could host 50 levels of offices
i think they could have trouble filling the 15 level tower

I found it on a news PDF on the ACC website, I'll have to get back on to you on it. The reason I presume the height limit might be changed is because it is a joint venture with the council. I must admit I was surprised having such a tall building next to Santos House, still it would look cool though, giving our skyline much needed beefing up! Almost a twin tower look, but I won't go there....

I forgot to say, the building would be fully occupied on completion. According to Lewis, my mate who works there, Other publishing houses and national magazines will be based from the building. A workforce of over 5000 was mentioned, but I don't know how reliable that figure is.

Originally posted by chrisaus
sounds very scetchy
it will be higher than the limit and also there is no demand for office space in adelaide
i really dont think adelaide could host 50 levels of offices
i think they could have trouble filling the 15 level tower

HAHAHAHA...

Your ignorance is actually quite amusing, did you know that premium and 1st grade office space will run out in Adelaide in the year 2006-07!


On other matters, just imagine how cool the skyline will look from the airport!

you will probably see alot of B & C grade converted to boutique office towers soon then

will, im just facing the fact, all aussie cities get alot of proposals that never go ahead, its a fact of life
though i hope this is different, a nice thin sleek tower would do the skyline wonders
hopefully if its built it won't have to much space, or it will suck even more space out of the market
remember the new tenants will move out of other buildings leaving vacant spots in other towers

though for some reason i couldnt imagine a modern glass tower in the skyline....

It would look awesome!!! I'm going to try and knock up a bit of a rendering in photoshop of what it could look like.

Did you guys see on the Victoria square redevolpment that a observation tower, like the Space needle in Seattle has been mentioned as a possiblity??? (ACC Forums and mentioned by an ACC official at the info booths at Vic. Square.) Don't know if it would even happen but imagine the possibilities!! A 200m+ ob. tower in Adelaide?? We can only hope!!!

trust me you don't want on of those
it would look so stupid....
i say stick to towers....

Yeah, personal preference I guess but still it would make our city look much more modern all the same. The view would be awesome!

Having a observation tower in the middle of Victoria Square would not be to my liking. I think it should be more like the way Space Needle is placed, out in the suburbs, not in the cbd.

People who use the square would probably complain that it casts shadows over it's surrounding areas, and possibly over the town hall and GPO. I'm not so sure about that though.

Yes Chrisaus, your right, Westralia Square will never go ahead, but a smaller tower like this is more likely, especially since A grade office space is already running out. When you say something chrisaus, just watch yourself. :)

westralia square...
um remember in the late 80's to early 90's we had hundreds of thousands of space constructed
and we have another 140,000 square metres UC now
and about another 160,000 approved what most prob won't be built

Wow, thanks pikey.
Sounds exciting- even more so given the precommittments from tenants meaning a rapid start to construction.
This could be Adelaide's much anticipated new keystone scraper !!!!
Fingers crossed.

BTW I haven't heard anything more about Gerry Karidis's planned 200 unit apartment tower adjacent Light Square. I will ask tomorrow.

Only 200 units? It would hardly get noticed if it was only 200 units, especially being behind The Embassy or Horizon.

Anyway, I read the brochure that contains the info about the spare lands, and it sounds quite good.

If the Karidis mystery tower, only has 200 apartments, it's not going to be really tall.

It'll probably only be 50-60m high.

Ah well, it's better than nothing.


And about the observation tower, are you sure you didn't get confused with the old 'capital city tower', from 1997?

As for the tower, I found out about it from a Adelaide City Council representative who was at the information booths at Vic square. He said it was an idea that had been brought up by quite a few people visiting the site. He mentioned that the idea was getting thrown around more and more in the council, but not to expect anything for a while.

On an interesting note when I asked him about the News Ltd development he said to expect an announcement soon, but he couldn't tell me any more details. Curious all the same!

A thirty-five story tower would be great for the city, but it does sound a little far-fetched, especially for the ACC. If it does ever get proposed, I'm sure the Nay-Sayers will groan and complain about how it is going to end the world and cause the state to sink under the ocean due to the weight of the tower.

This 35 storey tower is going to be great news for Adelaide; I just can't imagine why people would be against something so beautiful that will stimulate the economy.

But these anti-progress people are opposed to any form of progress, so the ACC will just have to ignore their negativism.

Originally posted by Will
But these anti-progress people are opposed to any form of progress, so the ACC will just have to ignore their negativism.

The Anti-Progress people are on the ACC! Who else would think 15 minute ticket parking zones in the city centre is a good idea?

Recently, the ACC has shown itself a bit more to progressive standards, proven by the determination of most members of the council to get this project approved and started quickly.

15 minute park zones in a way are good, since they are not so encouraging to use your car. In fact, what would be better is to have more public transport replace the parking places altogether and we can also have wider footpaths.

Anyway, all we can do now is hope that it will be approved and built, and that it won't have to many problems with construction.

So where abouts on the ACC website can I read this info ?
Yes, I'm cynical but if I read it on their site then I'll be much LESS cynical because that means that it's NOT a silly rumour !

On the topic of the Karidis project.
I first heard about this from my 'mole', who is the stockbroker for Gerry Karidis, about 4 weeks ago. I then posted it on this forum.
My contact recently told me that Gerry wanted to cash in some investments because he was planning "a major apartment tower of a couple of hundred apartments for a site near Light Sq".

I asked Steve today if he had cashed anything in yet and no he hasn't.

That's ALL I KNOW !!!!!

(Steve gets sacked and my friendship with him is OVER if he is found to be leaking confidential information about a client of his- so please, for what it's worth, don't say too much about where you first heard this ! )

http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/council/publications/Strategies/New_Directions_SMP_02_05.pdf

There you go spaz. It is on page 6.

Don't worry, you can trust us not to spread the word, otherwise the anti-progress people will find out. ;)

Don't worry Spaz, I promise I wont be saying anything to anyone regarding the confidential information regarding this project.

On other matters, I had already read that report from the council where they express interest in developing the land behind the GPO.

The reason why I didn't post anything on the forum is because the council hasn't released any information about the project, and as far as I was concerned they were going to build a low-rise housing project for homeless people.

Same as me Will, I thought that the land was going to be turned into 6 dwellings or small housing development.

The reason I posted this thread is because when I heard it, I was pretty surprised and excited, and I discovered this forum and found like-minded people who would maybe find this interesting. But what really got me curious is when I confronted the ACC rep in Vic Square he did not deny it and did not really want to divulge any more info. Hopefully, this council has realised this city has an aging image and some changes and improvements may bring about some major interstate and international interest. We may be on the verge of something big. Only time will tell!

I think the ACC has already realised it, but the state government doesn't seem to have yet, and they make up the other half of determining what gets built and what doesn't. But this one is up to the ACC.

Hopefully we'll see some major changes to Adelaide in the future, and soon.

How do I place a picture in here???? I have a rendering of the News Ltd Tower I want to put in

A hoax I say! Shenanigans!

Yesterday, I sent this email through the feedback form on the ACC website:

I've heard a rumour that there is a proposal to build a 35-story tower on the site of the Advertiser Building on King William Street, funded in part by News Corp and the ACC. This sounds kind of far-fetched for Adelaide and a quick search of the ACC site revealed nothing. Can you confirm or deny these rumours? Are there any plans for the site of the Advertiser building? I'd really like to know because this would be great for the city.

Thanks.

This morning, I got a reply:

Dear Adam

There have been no applications received for the re-development of the Advertiser site.

While it is understood that the News Corp are investigating the options for the site, no schemes have yet been presented to Council.

Regards

Paul Deb
Team Leader Development Assessment
Adelaide City Council

So our scepticism proved to be well founded. Even if there are plans for the site, the ACC knows nothing about it.

All I can say is I posted what was told to me by someone who worked in the Advertiser building. As I said in the first post all I had was word of mouth but two seperate people I have spoken too have told me the same information - and they don't know each other.
I posted what I was told - what else can I say

I'm sure pikey has good intentions- and that is a good thing on this forum.
There may well have been a number of unofficial / confidential discussions with the ACC for this 35 storey tower - with the net result to be a Development application.
There can be quite a significant time between one and the other !
A bit like the Mystery Tower in Sydney !

Now you can add another city to the list of those that have mystery towers. :D

Pikey, to place a picture, you must get it from somewhere on the web, so if the picture you want to post is not on the web, you can always upload it to an image host site like Imagestation.com from your computer.

From there, right click on the picture to go to properties, then copy the url pasted there, and place it between (IMG) and (/IMG) with [ replacing (, and ] replacing ).

Adam, ACC are either denying that there is a 35 level building proposed, though there is, or that they are telling the truth that The Advertiser are still making a decision for the site.

Adam, you have totally misunderstood the e-mail, the council is actually acknowledging that News Ltd has plans for the site.

And council isn't going to reveal much information, if the project is still in its visionary state.

My point was all the information we have received simply states that the ACC is aware that News Corp is planning SOMETHING for that site. There has been no mention of a 35-story tower from any official sources. As fas as we know, the plan could be for a new parking lot.

Adam, we can only hope for the best. :D That's my advice. It's better to think positive rather than negative for something like this.

A parking lot is out of the question, they are already planning extra levels to the existing ones and there would be no point in building one behind the GPO. The carpark with approval for upgrade so far is the Central Market, and I've heard that they might be doing the same with the Topham Mall and Grenfell Street carparks.

I do hope it goes well for u guys:okay:

Originally posted by pikey
The reason I posted this thread is because when I heard it, I was pretty surprised and excited, and I discovered this forum and found like-minded people who would maybe find this interesting. But what really got me curious is when I confronted the ACC rep in Vic Square he did not deny it and did not really want to divulge any more info. Hopefully, this council has realised this city has an aging image and some changes and improvements may bring about some major interstate and international interest. We may be on the verge of something big. Only time will tell!

Thanx for starting this thread, quite interesting, and I was quite unaware of this.

I don't think anyones mentioned the fact, that this new tower would become South Australia's tallest building!

Very Exciting!

Originally posted by chrisaus
sounds very scetchy
it will be higher than the limit and also there is no demand for office space in adelaide
i really dont think adelaide could host 50 levels of offices
i think they could have trouble filling the 15 level tower

Doubt you'd be saying the same for Perth. How much space of Woodside has been sold already?

Will, I think everyone has already realised that. It is actually possible that Adelaide could fill up a 75 level building, with mixed uses. I'm thinking of this already, and you'll find it in another thread.

Chrisaus- if I said to you that the Adelaide CBD has had MORE net office space absorbed by tenants in the past 12 months than Perth's CBD (and showed you genuine statistics to support this ), what would you say ?

Would you be shocked ?

Seriously.

AG your right
theres several big office proposals in perth and none will go ahead......

woodside leased 75% of 240 st georges terrace and i think they just got some new tenants

I'm shocked spaz. Really am. :D Not really.

Adelaide's still got some way to go before we get office buildings at least a third taller than this.

I believe that the Advertiser should focus on reporting good news stories like the one Spaz just informed us about.

Because it's really sad to hear that most Adelaideans still believe the state is still in crushing debt and with negative growth.

Stories like these would change the stereotypes about Adelaide, and make the people here more positive and proud of the state.

Maybe we should get Rex Jory (column writer) of the Advertiser to point this out to all Adelaideans. He has done some excellent writing lately, and has partially pointed out the wrong of Adelaidean attitude.

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
Maybe we should get Rex Jory (column writer) of the Advertiser to point this out to all Adelaideans. He has done some excellent writing lately, and has partially pointed out the wrong of Adelaidean attitude.

That's a great idea AG!

Sounds good!

I checked out the site being demolished on Gawler Place and as you had said it is quite deep. Could this mean something quite tall??? looking at the space there is around this site the building would have to be quite thin. This also may enforce the fact that height will be used to create space rather than the width of the building. Have to wait and see.

Does anyone know whan construction is going to start on the Commonwealth law courts building?

The construction of the Commonwealth Law Courts will probably commence next year, or at the end of this year.

The site in Gawler Place might be a 15 level, 60m tall building to be occupied by Jardine Colliniers. It would have to be a rather thin tower to fit on the site.

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
The construction of the Commonwealth Law Courts will probably commence next year, or at the end of this year.

The site in Gawler Place might be a 15 level, 60m tall building to be occupied by Jardine Colliniers. It would have to be a rather thin tower to fit on the site.

AG - You tend to get confused with information;)

The 60m office tower on Gawler Place is PROPOSED by Colliers Jardine; they are not going to occupy it.

As for the Commonwealth Law Courts: The government has appointed a builder, and construction will begin next month.

wheres the clapping hand? here it is: :applause: good on ya adelaide!! best news in ages!!

The Commonwealth Law Courts are starting next month?! Noone ever told me! :mad:

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
The Commonwealth Law Courts are starting next month?! Noone ever told me! :mad:

I was talking about the office tower on Gawler Place.


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Can anyone see the images I have just posted?

Sweet, nice building they've deisgned. They copied the balcony idea from Australias Centre and KPMG House.

This building deserves it's own thread.

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
Sweet, nice building they've deisgned. They copied the balcony idea from Australias Centre and KPMG House.

This building deserves it's own thread.


SORRY!

I should have said something! That's not the 60m tower on Gawler Place.

That's an early proposal for the Liberty Towers site in Glenelg.

Just thought it may be found interesting that the News Limited development is not far away from an announcement on what is happening and when. According to my source the height that was mentioned (145m) is just about definate. My inner skeptic woke up until I drove past the site today and there was surveyors everywhere!!! Looking up, around and everywhere. Very very interesting!!

Originally posted by pikey
Just thought it may be found interesting that the News Limited development is not far away from an announcement on what is happening and when. According to my source the height that was mentioned (145m) is just about definate. My inner skeptic woke up until I drove past the site today and there was surveyors everywhere!!! Looking up, around and everywhere. Very very interesting!!

I just cant wait for the day when a new tallest building in SA is announced, it will be one of the happiest days of my life!

All we can do now is think positive and pray

Pikey, when do you think they will announce the proposal of this building?

Hopefully all will be finalised, size, design, cost, builder, timeframe etc etc will be released in a matter of months. I can't wait to see the renderings and models, it will be unreal!!!

Also does anyone know whats going on with that smallish (65m apprx.) black glass building near gawler place??? A crane has been placed on top of the building and it looks like some windows have been removed on one side. A new development?????

Originally posted by pikey
Hopefully all will be finalised, size, design, cost, builder, timeframe etc etc will be released in a matter of months. I can't wait to see the renderings and models, it will be unreal!!!

Also does anyone know whats going on with that smallish (65m apprx.) black glass building near gawler place??? A crane has been placed on top of the building and it looks like some windows have been removed on one side. A new development?????

It could be that new 60m building that Will has been talking about. Or maybe an extension of the building?

Which intersection is it closest to?

I can't think of the name of the road, but it is the next road over from pirie st coming towards vic square - get me??!!!?
When I saw the crane I thought it was for that site on gawler st that has been cleared but it is too far from that site, plus there is a building in the way. Maybe it's just getting a fitout or something. But why the crane I wonder??? The crane is no where near the size of the Horizon though. Curious all the same

Originally posted by pikey
I can't think of the name of the road, but it is the next road over from pirie st coming towards vic square - get me??!!!?
When I saw the crane I thought it was for that site on gawler st that has been cleared but it is too far from that site, plus there is a building in the way. Maybe it's just getting a fitout or something. But why the crane I wonder??? The crane is no where near the size of the Horizon though. Curious all the same

sorry to dissapoint you, but I know what building you are talking about, and that's not a development crane; it's the buildings window washing equipment.

Okay, your talking about Flinders Street. What does the site look like? If there is a ramp with some excavation in a small site, it is the 60m tall building. If not, I probably don't know...

thanks Will, I was confused!! I only saw it quickly in passing, it looked like windows had been removed!
Confusion on my behalf again. I knew that the cleared site with the ramp is the 60m building. Has anyone seen a rendering of this??? Since it is such a narrow site the developers really should use height to get space. It's quite a deep site.

No renderings of such as yet. All we know is that it is 15 levels, 60m tall, and developed by Jardine Colliniers.

If you had visited the site on Gawler Place, early last year, you would have seen the billboard announcing the new 15 storey office tower.

The billboard also had a picture of the building; here's what I recall:

The building will be a Internationalist style structure.

The façade will be made out of a dark blue reflective glass.

The top of the building is post-modern in style, with some decorative structures reminiscent of the early banking houses of Antwerp.

I wondered down Gawler Place yesterday. I did see a lot that was fenced off with "Danger Deep Excavation" signs around it, but I don't remember seeing a billboard. I was going to take a photo if it, but it is just a pile of dirt with a fence around it at this stage. It was just off Pirie Street IIRC.

Originally posted by AdamTheDuck
I wondered down Gawler Place yesterday. I did see a lot that was fenced off with "Danger Deep Excavation" signs around it, but I don't remember seeing a billboard. I was going to take a photo if it, but it is just a pile of dirt with a fence around it at this stage. It was just off Pirie Street IIRC.

That's cause the billboard was up last year. :)

It is between Flinders and Pirie Street on Gawler.

Gawler Place is getting more and more dense every year.

Just a thought -
Should the "News Limited Towers" be added as a vision building in Skyscrapers.com???

As I was passing Currie Street, near Light Square today, I was looking at a carpark building, where I noticed that on the top of the car park, there was a banner with the Kardis Corporations logo.

Could this be the site, for the mystery apartment tower Spaz informed us about?

Bloody hope so !
I am catching up for a beer with my 'Stevo the stockbroker' tonite ( my 'man at the coalface' ) and I will BE SURE to ask him for some news on Gerry's activities! Let you know.

Sounds good, more density for Adelaide, neither tall or short.

If you hear about a height change, or some news that comes outta nowhere, you can trust us here that we won't tell anyone else.

Do you think Culwulla should put the News Ltd Towers onto Skyscrapers.com as a visionary building???? What about the Adelaide Central Project and David Jones 200m spire from a few years back??? Has anyone got any info on those 2 projects????

Originally posted by pikey
Do you think Culwulla should put the News Ltd Towers onto Skyscrapers.com as a visionary building???? What about the Adelaide Central Project and David Jones 200m spire from a few years back??? Has anyone got any info on those 2 projects????

Well no, seeing the News Ltd Tower as it is called for some strange reason is a project which, as far as we know, is for a new tool shed.

Adam, stop being so negative about it. Are you saying you don't want to see a taller building built in Adelaide?

The New LTD Tower shouldn't go on ss.com as of yet, because we don't know the real details yet, it could be taller, it could be shorter, or could be something different.

Yes I have information regarding the proposed capital city project (David Jones site), but I dont think its a good idea to place never built buildings on SS.com, as it gives the city a 'failure' look.

And as for the News Ltd. tower, we should wait to receive more information regarding it, before we ask Culwulla to place it on SS.com

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
Adam, stop being so negative about it. Are you saying you don't want to see a taller building built in Adelaide?

The New LTD Tower shouldn't go on ss.com as of yet, because we don't know the real details yet, it could be taller, it could be shorter, or could be something different.

Now you're putting words in my mouth! :)

My point is we know NOTHING about the project. We have no confirmed idea of the height and I find it hard to believe that they'd propose such a tall building in Adelaide's political environment.

What I want to see is some sort of official announcement on what is going on. Then, and only then, will I shut up about it. :D

Well, the media never tell us about new proposals, visions or approved buildings much in Adelaide unfortunetely.

They always do that until it starts construction. And then they tell us. :rant:

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
Well, the media never tell us about new proposals, visions or approved buildings much in Adelaide unfortunetely.

They always do that until it starts construction. And then they tell us. :rant:

There'd be a media release or something! Just got to know where to look, and I, my friend, have no idea where to look. :D

The Advertiser does release information regarding proposed developmets in Adelaide; that's where I get most of my info from!

And most of it is on a Thursday or Tuesday, when I don't get the paper. :( :rant:

http://home.iitk.ac.in/~skb/images/adelaide2.jpg

Yup, that's about the area where the site for this new tower is likely to be. Nice pic chrisaus. :)

Originally posted by adelaideglenelg
Yup, that's about the area where the site for this new tower is likely to be. Nice pic chrisaus. :)

AG - That's not the spot for the mystery tower, they're not going to demolish the Advertiser building.

If they decide to build the mystery tower, then it would be built behind the Advertiser building on Waymouth Street.


Changing the subject, Adelaide was a ghost town back in the 80's!

Originally posted by Will


AG - That's not the spot for the mystery tower, they're not going to demolish the Advertiser building.

If they decide to build the mystery tower, then it would be built behind the Advertiser building on Waymouth Street.


Changing the subject, Adelaide was a ghost town back in the 80's!

Ghost town? Are you kidding! There was more going on in the 80's than in the 90's that's for sure. At least in the 80's there was a lot of construction going on. The first half of the 80's may have been quiet, but not the late 80's. :|

Well, I know the site where the tower would be built if approved is somewhere close to the corner of Waymouth and King William Streets. :|

Time to revive the dead. :)

Go to page 17 on this booklet, and read the plans for The Advertiser Block as well as Commonwealth Law Courts. http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/centralwest/PDF/CWP_Booklet.pdf

It's good too see that the ACC has acknowleged the importance of this prime CBD location. And according to the write up they're could be quite a few buildings built there. Here's hoping the 145m proposal goes ahead, what a happy day for Adelaide that would be!!!:banana:

AG - I'm not saying there wasn't any construction back then, because that would be stupid.
Because both of us know that most of Adelaide's talls were built in the 80's.

But look at the photo, and tell me how many people and cars you see.

Not many! back then it was a big country town!

But this has changed now, and if that photo were to be taken today, the street would be full of people and cars.

I see what your getting at. It is busier now than it was in the past.

Oh, hoping from the banana, LOL. :banana:

Good news guys, expect a rendered proposal and anouncement in early May of the News Ltd tower. Don't be surprised if the proposal is now a single tower and a bit taller than the 145m initially spoken of. My mate Lewis seems to think that it'll be more like 160m but just a single building, so the total office space would be slightly less than the first proposal. We can only wait and see!

Well, they could easily join up the two building to make it one building. 35 plus 15. 50 floors that would mean. And if each floor is 4m high, that means the building would be over 200m tall. :D

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AG - Don't ask for too much, I'd be extremely happy with a new 145m tower.

But if they want a 160m tower, that's even better!

Hope this is true!

According to Lewis the reason for the single tower is so the remaining land can be sold and redeveloped by the ACC. The twin tower design would have taken up too much space for other developments.
I don't think any Adelaideians here would knock back a 160m tower!!!

I'd only be fairly happy for 145m. Not good enough! :D It's only an extra 55m I'm asking for here! :)

This is a good start if it is true, but I am sure we can do much better than that, c'mon people!

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collier jardines are not developers, they sell office space on behalf of developers
ie. if your going to see a development site they hire collier jardines to market the site and they do the selling

I hope this does go ahead. It could be the spark that starts a long over-due construction boom in Adelaide.

Many people say Adelaide now is like Melbourne ten years ago - a boom waiting to happen.

I'll crack out the Champaign when a thread appears in the "Under Construction" forum. :)

it would probably do the opposite than creating a boom....
you can't flood to much space onto the market, or it will take years to absorved
ie. in the late 80s early 90s perth had projects such at central park, bankwest, exchange plaza, QV1, hartleys building, quayside etc... and the market has only just gotten over that boom 10 years later
you should just hope for a constrant string of projects every few years instead of a few then a 10 year gap then a few again
if only the markted worked how us skyscraper fans wanted it to !!

What I meant was this tower could be a sign that Adelaide is a good place to invest in property. A company like News Corp. having the confidence in the city to build a tower this size is a good way to show the world that Adelaide isn't going as poorly as many people may think.

Wasn't the News Ltd. annual release of figures held in Adelaide last year...I'm pretty sure it was. Anyways, maybe that was to co-inside with discussions about this building. You know how they do things like that! This project sounds promising, and if it is 160m, it would be in the top 5 proposed office buildings in Australia. Good stuff.

If the proposal does exist, it would be the tallest proposed office building at the moment. :D If Pricewatershouse was still at proposed stage, the building would be 2nd tallest, unless of course the height of proposal is taller than rumoured. :D

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Adelaide always hosts the News LTD AGM, and that's because News LTD's owner Rupert Murdoch started his empire here in Adelaide.

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Adelaide always hosts the News LTD AGM, and that's because News LTD's owner Rupert Murdoch started his empire here in Adelaide.</td></tr>
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We need a lot more people like him! :D

Wakey wakey!!!

Adelaideians, expect news soon (couple months) about this rumored 160m project. Lewis says Surveyors have been all around the site, including behind the GPO. It looks as though the entire block will be developed. It has been classed as the highest value piece of land in the Adelaide CBD. I also have read feasibility reports on the site by property councils commissioned by the ACC. The ACC has also said any major proposition for the area will be considered, and that the successful development will have the opportunity to be "Adelaide's highest profile tennant."

Also on the ACC website, I found out that the building height limit on the northen side of Victoria square has been raised from 68m to 99m (not including plant rooms or any additional structures - ACC) and above for "special circumstances."

Could this mean that there has been some lucrative proposals presented to the ACC??? I found the minutes from a recent meeting and 65 pages had been removed and marked "Confidential Application." One application, 65 pages and the ACC is keeping it quiet???? Could this be the BIG one we've been waiting for????

I'm in the process for looking for all of my resources which I quoted above from the ACC site.

I'll be back!!!!

I swear we still don't know what the height of this building will be.

I wouldn't think that the building would be affected by this height limit, since it is NOT actually on Victoria Square, though I would think the Victoria Square side of the building would need setbacks.

I keep looking and this is what I found, so I reported it here. I thought other Adelaideians might be interested. But rest assured AG, as soon as I find out the actual height or anything, I will post it!

The height limit increase for that side of victoria square is for future (or already recieved???) proposals around the square near the GPO area.

If this tower goes ahead i'm seriously gonna have a pary at my head with plenty of drunk people.

*edit, slightly drunk atm

The increased height limit is a very good sign, that there is something big been planned.

And with a 99m height limit, if you include plant rooms and stuff like that, the height can be boosted up to 115m, so basically the height limit has been elevated to 115m!

Actually, there could also bad news from an email I received from the ACC Development Department that the main height limit was now 99m, or 26 levels. I'm not sure if that was true or not.

Would you be complaining if the whole area was filled up with 99 meter buldings? Hell, we're going ga ga over North Terrace at the moment and that isn't exactly manhattan is it :)

This morning, I was walking around Waymouth Street, near the site where we speculate the new mystery tower will be built.

I saw some promesing signs, for example nearly all the buildings behind the Advertiser building have been vacated and are now sitting empty.
And to my knowledge there are no heritage buildings on the site.

I don't know if this is just a coincidence, but I believe that by having all these buildings empty, it would just make it easier for the developers, as they would not have to kick out any tenants.

Make space for the dynamite! :D

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I saw some promesing signs, for example nearly all the buildings behind the Advertiser building have been vacated and are now sitting empty.
And to my knowledge there are no heritage buildings on the site.

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Will, something is definitely up! I walk past that site every day of the week (I attend the eynesbury college building which is just off victoria square), and the whole block just looks shady.... well umm.. i dunno, it's giving off a vibe! We're going to hear some big news about this i'm certain of it! News LTD, Rupert, I hate your guts mate, but you can restore some of my faith in humanity by building me a big bloody building for christmas :D

Sounds promising.
One thing to note however is that a major tenant precommittment is crucial for this thing to advance past proposal stage - and for that to happen the project needs to be launched, advertised and marketed !
None of that has happened.
The day when I see renders appearing in The Advertiser and a website is when I will get excited.

Let's not put the cart before the horse here !

The only thing that got the 31 storey State Bank Centre, now Santos , off the ground in the mid 80's was a precommittment by the State Bank for 19,000 sqm of the space ( which I guess was ~65% of the total space?) !
This is what we need now !!!!!!! :bleep:

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One thing to note however is that a major tenant precommittment is crucial for this thing to advance past proposal stage - and for that to happen the project needs to be launched, advertised and marketed !
None of that has happened.
The day when I see renders appearing in The Advertiser and a website is when I will get excited.

Let's not put the cart before the horse here !

The only thing that got the 31 storey State Bank Centre, now Santos , off the ground in the mid 80's was a precommittment by the State Bank for 19,000 sqm of the space ( which I guess was ~65% of the total space?) !
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Have you even read this thread! The whole proposal is based on a precommittment from News LTD!

Now that I think about it, the current Advertiser building probably holds around 12,000-14,000 sqm of space - so if you allow for an expansion of News Ltd space, to say 16-18,000 sqm, then it already has PASSED the crucial pre-committment stage !
Sorry, I'm a bit slow.........

So, given that is fact, the project could simply be announced in a blaze of glory at ANYTIME !!!

It'll be awesome if something does go ahead here. I'd say it then validates my snooping abilities!!! I'm going to wait until something is announced before I fell happy with my searching, but still, I did find something that has caused some interest amongst the Adelaide forumers!

HOLY SHIT DUDES!!!!

I just got a SMS from Lewis, my source, and he said that some guys from a demolition firm was looking around the block today!!! He tried asking 'em questions and they told him to bugger off and let them do their job!!! Could this be a sign or am I getting carried away?????

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I just got a SMS from Lewis, my source, and he said that some guys from a demolition firm was looking around the block today!!! He tried asking 'em questions and they told him to bugger off and let them do their job!!! Could this be a sign or am I getting carried away?????</td></tr>
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Hold my hand dude... hold my hand
:D

Maybe he was just looking for a newspaper to see what time Race 6 at Morphettville ran at ? ;)

Confirmation - the demolition workers ARE there!!! (with surveying equipment) I saw 'em with my own eyes today as I was coming back from my lunch break!!!!

I hope I'm not making a mountain out of a mole hill here??!!?

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Imagine if it turned out they were building a park :D

This site has been identified by the council, as the site for some new News Ltd development, so I doubt they would be building a park.

I think that this is the most encouraging news we've had about this development.

The official announcement can't be far off now.

have they lodged a DA yet ?
they won't be able to demolish anything till they have aproval what will take some time

I cant find a DA but I did find the minutes of a meeting with 65 pages marked confidential. And plus going passed the site it is a buzz with activity. All the buildings are now vacated, except for the Advertiser Building of course. Maybe the DA was lodged confidentially???? Just don't know, but I think it's pretty major seeing a demolition firm inspecting the site!!

NEWSFLASH

More measurements taken today. Lewis says that they will be told in around 5 weeks what's going on!

Dude, that's april :(

'Tis all good news so far. :)

Still, if in 5 weeks time a new Adelaide's tallest building is announced, I think we will all be totally stoked!!!

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God I hope the anti development nazi's don't get their overvalued 2 cents in.

The thing that is on our side here is the hard on that the ACC has to develop that area, and the all mighty dollar. Santos cost $97m to build, from what I've heard, just about triple that budget for this project.

I don't think the council would knock back a $200m+ project.........at least I think ;)

I've realised that the anti-development people only complain, when the new building will 'ruin' the character of their area.

And since no people live on Waymouth Street, I don't think there'll be any protests.

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Pikey - the ACC has knocked back big projects like this before, I remember in 1997 they actually knocked back the $300 million Capital City development.

So if you take that into regard, the council could do anything.

But the thing on our side, is that the ACC councillors of today are slightly more pro-development than the ones of 1997.

We can only remain positive about it - the encouraging thing is that there is alot of activity around. I'd say there'd be a bit of a party among the Adelaide Forumers when this building is finally announced. And what a bonus it would be if it was 160m as mentioned!!!:D

I swear we can support projects much bigger than this! :D

I remain cynically optimistic !!;)

Everytime I go past it I feel a vibe about it. Surveyors, demolition people, god I wish they would hurry up and anounce it!!

Still friggin weeks away.

www.propertyoz.com.au/sa/advoc/subs/forward.pdf

Check this out, it is estimated that the development on the Advertiser block will be around 60,000m2!!!!! (Page 32)
What kind of height with a plot ratio of 10 (?) would this be, anyone????

pikey: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28682

might be of some help

tays

60,000 sq m??? Thats a lot. Sounds almost double that of Santos!

My bet is that it will be about 170m tall or taller.

A 170 metre office building!!!?

...in Adelaide!!!???

is that for real? They don't even build office buildings that tall on the east coast much nowdays!

170m with a 115m height limit
'YOUR DREAMING':D

future 239 in perth's original design was about 55,000m sqared
and that was only about 22 level... [floor plates were large]

My bet is that AG is dreaming.

The way I see it, it will probably be wide enough that it only rises a little above Santos, just so you know it's there. What would be the point of building something with such a large amount of floor space in Adelaide if you weren't going to be able to make a statement with it? I still think 145 metres will be the go, and the ACC will most likely let this building go through the height limit because it is pretty much the best location in the entire CBD with access points from 3 streets - anything smaller would be a waste. And take into consideration the huge economic benefits for us Adelaideans...

We also have to consider the possibility that the 60,000m includes the old advertiser building, in which case it will turn out very disappointing in the end...

I think that the Advertiser building is only 15,000m2. I see that our best case scenario would be a 150m tower with 35,000m2 and a smaller 120m tower with 25,000m2. Two buildings like this would still be enough to have an impact on the skyline.

I don't think any of us here would knock back 2 100m + towers would we???

Just got back from town where I spoke to a ACC official in Vic square, and he said that council can approve buildings over 115m and 26 levels on their merit. He said as I have read elsewhere that this precinct is adelaide's highest profile location which is grossly underdeveloped. The ACC has budgeted "significant funds" in promoting the area for future developers. When I joked around and said about a 170m 60,000m2 tower, he said all applications would be considered. Read into that what you like!!!!
Rest assured, I'll continue my snooping!

yeah, but its the councilors who vote on it !!!!!!!!!!!
trust me their probably a bunch of very old and out of touch grannies/grandpa's

you do realise 60,000sqaure metres of office space, will flood the market, and you would be unlikely to see another major developent for 15 or so years
anyway trust me don't get excited yet, you still have years of hopeing and praying !!!

It's still all very interesting all the same

Good work pikey! :)
60,000 sqm = about 6.8% of Adelaide's total CBD office space, so yes, it is a fair whack of space to come onto the market.
However tenant absorbtion has been reasonably healthy of late - in the past ~15 months ~20,000 sqm of space has been absorbed by tenants ( source: Colliers Jardine) and that has been pretty much all taken up in 1,000-3,000 leases by smaller tenants i.e no major committments of contiguous space by one single tenant.
What this project needs is an anchor tenant to commit to a heap fo space which is incremental i.e they don't have significant existing space. If this happens then the dynamics of the CBD office market shouldn't take too much of a hit.

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trust me their probably a bunch of very old and out of touch grannies/grandpa's

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There is a month or two of waiting until we find out the plans for the site. I hope it's a tall tower, however i'm not religious.

Well if it is a big one I hope it's a cool design, a cool design big tower could be just what Adelaide needs, imagine something like Swiss Re in Adelaide, Santos has got to go!!!

They'll probably make it pink just to piss us awf. It's been done before (grrrr @ SA Water building).

Actually, I love the colour of SA Water House. IMO it is currently Adelaide's greatest looking building, even though it is the holder of Adelaide's forth tallest. It's not really that pink.

I hope this becomes a NEW TALLEST, because Adelaide and Perth are the only two cities that aren't getting a new tallest at the moment. :)

Even if it's not taller than Santos, it's still fucking massive. How many square meters is Santos?

Does anyone know what the plot ratios mean?

Chrisaus: You're worse than the pensioners on the ACC. Naturally News Corp will use up a large proportion of the office space as they're the ones backing it.

Adam, there are lots of cities that aren't getting new tallests.

Santos has about 30000 to 40000 sq m of office space.

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Yeah and i'm about....... 150 - 200 cm tall...

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Sydney are, Melbourne are, Brisbane are... I think, unless I just put my foot in my mouth. That leaves only Perth and Adelaide as members of Australia's One Million club that aren't getting new tallests.

The thing is that all the tall buildings going up at the moment are residential buildings, and not office buildings. It is much easier to build very tall residential towers than very tall office towers because of less required elevators in a ressie tower than in a office tower, and the floorplates are almost always smaller than those of office building floors plates. Heck, even Eureka is narrower than Santos.

It sounds much better for office buildings to be the tallest than residential towers.

But AG: Residential towers have lower ceilings, don't they?

perth will be waiting a long time me things for a new tallest
adelaide has it easy though because our current tallest is slightly bigger than santos !!

Who knows, maybe they meant 60,000 square miles? That would be a ripper of a building.

LOL, yob. If it was 60000 sq miles, than it would be over 1000ft tall. :)

I think Perth will getting its tallest residential tower this year (ICON, 40 stories at 130m).
Just a thought, if there are indeed going to be multiple buildings on the site, couldn't this be a staged project rather that all in one big whack, fucking up Adelaide's small office market.

We don't know how big the building will be. In fact, we don't even know if there will be a building.

Adeaide has a shortage of A grade office space.

This tower proposal is apparently for News LTD, not some consortium of crack pots speculating on Adelaide's office space market. Why the hell would News LTD build a tower that they don't need, unless they were moving some of their operations to the new building?

Will you perthies understand this? Please?

Whats happening currently is that much of the B and C grade office space is being converted to A grade office space because there is a fairly major shortage of it in Adelaide as the demand is growing.

According to pikey's resource, the project is likely to consist of 1 or 2 high-rise office buildings, but we are not completely sure if it will be staged or all in one go.

Pikey, when was that PDF document written? If you read the Rundle Mall section, it talks about utilizing the opening of the new David Jones to attract attention to the mall - in other words, it's a year or two old.

Adam, thats about the time it takes to plan a project about the size of the Advertiser Prencinct.

I think it's all a sham. The whole block is going to be levelled and replaced with a statue of Rupert Murdoch.

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That didn't answer my question AG. :tongue2:

Thats because you already answered it youself, lol.

if this thing happens it will probably be years till construction starts
its a very long process for buildings to happen

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Thanks professor.

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your guys haven't had a big office project for ages, i thought you would have forgoted how everything works:rotf:

Adam,

I cannot find any date on the PDF, but in my opinion, and this may not count for much at all, in the grand scheme of retail developments in Adelaide, the David Jones building is quite new, still. The ACC has also set aside in it's budget a figure for revitalising rundle mall, and I found this out on their site posted jan 2003, so I regard the PDF I found to be quite recent. In recent feasibilty reports found on the ACC site, this report is quoted. It was on the basis of that report that the budget levels were drawn up from. From these facts I consider the report to be new(ish) I guess time or other factors will prove me wrong.
Also I guess it had to be cos otherwise one of you guys would have found it!!!!

Plus I found it to be a very intersting read, with links to other reports I have read from the ACC site regarding the precinct. We can all say with conviction that this is the most underdeveloped site in the CBD AND the council is labelling it "Adelaide's Landmark Development Opportunity" we can only wait and see, 5 weeks is what my source tells me, so if in time nothing happens you can all call me a fuckwit, dumbarse, or whatever you like, I'll cop it on the chin and continue to be proud of Adelaide, what it is, and what it will be. I started this thread on something which very may will be the biggest thing Adelaide has experienced, Alfred himself quoted in today's paper about the biggest era of change for Adelaide in the ACC 163 year history. Something big is gonna happen, let's watch it unfold..........

Thanks for my (long) moment in the sun!

(getting off soapbox, grabbing a Pale ale, sitting down to watch the tube and wait for my fiance to get home and tell me I have done nothing all day!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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And we thought you were lame enough before this comment was made...

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AG were you even born when a 100m+ tower was going up in adelaide ?

Can we please not let this thread go to shit like all of the other Adelaide one's PLEASE!

My word of wisdom for the day:

Don't get too excited over a project that hasn't even been announced...


Sure I'll be dissapointed if this prooved to be false, but I wont get to upset over it.

Can anyone post an image for me if I email it to them??? I did a render of the skyline at night with a 160m tower in it, just for fun.

Any takers?

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go for it. chrismicik@netscape.net

Cheers Yob, I have just sent it to you!

Thanks again

Here is pikey's night time render of the skyline with a 160 meter tower:



http://netspace.net.au/~smicik/adelaidenew.jpg


Looking very nice, a building that high certainly does have alot of presence on the skyline! We can only hope this is the sorta thing we're going to get!

Cheers for posting it yob. I hope you guys think it looks ok, it was a real rush job.
I'm gonna knock up a day time one tonight!

Thats a great rendering pikey, nice lighting. I would tend think that it would be further to the right than that.

We're seriously getting ahead of ourselves here :) We don't know how tall the building(s) will be yet.

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Looks to me like he's plonked her down right on the site opposite the road from Eynesbury College, accross the laneway from the little cafe, on the car park site next to the post office?

I just whacked it where those derelict buildings are, I'm not sure it I got it right or not, but still it's just a bit of fun!

I'm working on the day one now, and a little something that hopefully my crows mate Yob will post for me!! Lets say it would keep the ACC happy and us at the same time! ;)

That's a great vision for the city Pikey.

The 'twin towers' effect that the new tower will create will do great wonders for the skyline.

Let's just hope that this is roughly what happens, the height is nice I think, probably the tallest we'll have for a while - still taller would be nice!

Just thought I'd let you know that I now have a source inside the ACC, and he tells me that there are infact 2 major proposals and due to their nature (very beneficial to ACC goals of Audacity, Vivacity & Capacity - Limits may need to be adjusted) it may push back when a DA is lodged. He said 2 months, but announcements of the 2 options are due sooner than that.

He has told me he will keep me up to date with any developments. The most encouragin thing he said is that both proposals will give Adelaide a landmark feature of the CBD. Take what you will out of that bit of news!

Does that mean 2 competing proposals for the same site, or 2 proposals for the area? If it's the first that is great - competition :D If it's the second.. well.. nothing wrong with 2 buildings :)

To me, "landmark feature" sounds like a hint at a spire. No buildings in Adelaide have one of note as far as I can remember, except the little pee pee sticking out of the top of grenfell, and the big "f--- off ugly" one on top of the telstra exchange...

Definatley 2 proposals. And my source, which I can't name cos he'd get into some serious shit, said they are "substantial!"

Cool my 200th post! Bit slow, considering I've been here since nov 2002!

2 proposals = Competition which can only be a good thing!!

Substantial.

Yep. I like the sound of that. :)

Sounds very good and likely to me.

Email from my source at the ACC

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Daniel,
No formal development application has been made at this point in time regarding a building in the block between King William and Bentham St and Franklin and Waymouth. 2 proposals are being put together by 2 separate developers at this point however and they are a good couple of months away from lodging a development application. Submissions should be released soon however.

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Not iron clad, but still interesting none the less!

hmmmmmm.....I still remain cynical as hell.
Don't get me wrong pikey and co, I would LURVE to see something happen, but I still haven't seen anything that is 'sourced', just heresay.
It just doesn't feel 'right'.

The ACC has acknowledged the development. They have budgeted a sum to help prospective developers, and have a look at the PDF a few pages back, that reccomended the site support 60,000m2 of office space - not taking into account residential space. Maybe I'm clutching at straws but things seem to be falling into place with what I can scrummage and snoop. Only time will tell!!!

I don't know about the other Adelaide forumers, but I feel something just might happen here - The ACC have touted it as something big. I hope like hell it is!

Now that the ACC is thinking of dumping it's height limits - WHAT COULD JUST HAPPEN???!!!

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Dude, carefuly, this is how conspiracy theories start :)

stiiiiiiiiiillll!!!!!! Let see these damn proposals!!!

remember that the height controls were only altered not lifted! the 115m height limit is still set in concrete!. There are areas where the height limits were lifted by a couple of metres but nothing substantial.
Ive contacted ACC a few times since last year and nothing has really changed with new proposals.So maybe the new one is a height limit scraper of 30storeys ! this will be great!

I still don't understand how these height limits work - i was told a long long time ago that it was decided externally and nothing to do with the ACC - and that the reason why the height limit could never be lifted was because of the cities close proximity to the airport (which is fair enough, it's a 5 freakin minute drive away).

The airport route doesn't even run that close to the cbd. Look at Boston's airport and how close it is to Boston's skyscrapers, yet there are several around 240m tall. Hong Kong's former Kai Tak Airport is another example where the route runs close to the nearby skyscrapers in Kowloon.

If the height limit was not set by the ACC, and it was done by air routes, the height limit would be about 200m at the north western part of the cbd, 250m around the north and western sides of the cbd, and maybe a much higher height limit at the south-eastern corner of the cbd.

The height limit could be toppled as soon as within several weeks, if Michael Harbison defeats Alfred Huang in the spot for Adelaide's Lord Mayor.

removing the height limit is like putting a speedo that reaches 500km/h in a daewoo.

well thats good news...i think :(:)

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LOL!
ag, i really do hope the height limit will be lifted but dont like chances

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Well said!

If the height limits were lifted, the skyline wouldn't change.

There is no need or demand for 300m buildings in Adelaide at the moment, or the forseeable future.

NEWS FLASH!!!

Today camera crews infront of the Advertiser building. Taking footage of the building itself and backstreets. Could this be an announcement we've been waiting for??????

Or did someone just get mugged infront of it?? ;)

What was this for, pikey? :?

No Idea, I thought it might have been some kind of a press announcement of something to do with the building!

Pikey - calm down! It could be one of a million things.

Yeah I know, I'm kinda clutching at straws!

Well, proposals for this site still haven't been announced yet...

/me waits patiently.

thanks for the update AG...

More insider info....

I've been told that people working around the precinct have been advised on a change of working environment - particularly working with construction noise and how it may affect them in their roles. Take out of that what you will. I think it's a bit of a suggestion things might be announced soon.

PLUS, Lewis has noticed the amount of surveyors around the block on a daily basis has increased. Surveying King William road also. I too have seen them with my own eyes as I go through the city each lunch break on my way to the gym.

Another thing that I have heard, the ACC initially wanted the development to be no higher than the antenna that is behind the Advertiser building, which by guestimation would be around 80 - 100m tall. But "talk of Plans" has a proposal much taller than that, as we know. From what I can make of it a DA wasn't going to be lodged until after the mayoral race was over, as both developers bidding for the site wanted a particular mayor in office before it was lodged. And guess who has just been voted in......... ;)

The father of who's daughter I know. ;)

culwulla: do you have any contacts / potential "moles" in the ACC ?

i.e people can -really- be pumped for the juicy stuff ?

Man.. the ACC and their stupid rules.... they should build more high-rises either for residential or commercial purposes..
adelaide actually has the prospect for becoming a big city....
:okay:

AT LAST!!! Some confirmation about the development from the ACC. I recieved this email this morning:

This is what I sent in:

Type: Request
Comment Subject: Project

Comment:
Just wondering when can we expect an announcement on the Advertiser
Precinct development??? I have found several refernces to a project
based in this area on this website, and I am hopeful of a landmark
development for Adelaide. When are we going to hear something about
this???
Thank you and awaiting response

This was their response

Hello Daniel,

Thankyou for your enquiry. On further investigation I
have been told that Council is in preliminary decisions and they expect
to have a lodgement by the end of July. At this time we will have
further information. If you have any further enquiries please contact
our Customer service department.

Regards


K Jury
Adelaide City Council


Very, very promising!!!

On further investigation I
have been told that Council is in preliminary decisions and they expect
to have a lodgement by the end of July.

hate to speculate, but that sounds more along the lines of:

... council has been told of a big oppurtunity and wants to "sleep on it"

could be good, could also be bad :(

________

would the NIMBY's object to a big office tower being built in the CBD ?

or is it really just ACC who are the NIMBY's in themselves ?

any idea of the zoneage & plot ratio's etc.. for the site ? have the council ever broken the height limits and approved something taller? the adelaide office market seems to be reasonably strong from the latest reports...

Recently the ACC has allowed some buildings to go over the limit slightly, such as The Embassy. I don't think I'm correct, but if I do remember correctly, the plot ratio was something like 8.5:10 (Pikey, please help me here!!!).

I think so, I'd have to look somewhere else on another post. I read that council want's 60,000m2 of space which with those plot ratios equaled one fat 160m+ building or 2 "thinner" 110m buildings. I'll have to double check.

I never seen so many replies to a proposal that the developers haven't released any information (well, hardly any).
You folks from Adelaide better be crossing your fingures and toes.

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WTF is it with Perth and idiots?!

Isolation, me thinks

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Ahaha! That's a classic!
:rotf:

OMG OMG your humour is almost good enough to get u a spot on a quality show like skithouse....:clown: :clown: :clown: :nuts:

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Yep, and you probably wouldn't get a skit on play school.

12 pages on a rumoured development...I hate to think how many pages it will get to over the next 2 years or so it will take to build this thing- if all goes to plan.
I really do hope it's something big!...I'm also waiting in anticipation to see whats going to get built there.

Yeah, thanks Rocstar for getting this thread back on track! With the annoucement of the Airport finally to go ahead with its development, could it be the begining of other quality development announcements for Adelaide??

With the airport and the new shopping complex alone at $500mil plus a hand full of other developments around the city as well 'hopefully this development, thats about a billion$ worth of investment just there.

Should be good times ahead for Adelaide. A planner in sydney tol Cul who inturn told me, that he predicts Adelaide to be the next boom city, as far as tower development is concerned! Let's hope he is right!

Pikey, I hope you are right too. :)

Great new about the airport, its at least going to happen. But I must say, what does a planner know about growth other how to control it. I personally don't see Adelaide growing huge amounts in the near future (considering recent figures), it'll probably keep to how its going at the moment.

I think that Adelaide is back on track, due to the strengthening economy and the implementation of the report from the Board of Economic Development.

Evidence that supports this includes SA's jobless rate which is around the national average, and the fact that for the first time in more than a decade SA has enjoyed a net population gain.

The office vacancy rates in the Adelaide CBD indicate that new office towers will be required in 3 to 4 years.

Exciting times ahead on the horizon for South Australia.

Look forward to boomtime 2007!!! :D :colgate: :rock: :banana:

The annoucement surely cannot be too far off. I tell you what if it ends up being something small, I'm gonna have to leave skyscrapercity, cos all you Adelaidians are gonna be after blood!

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I'd still have a beer with ya any day, but i'd be pretty damn disapointed...

Good to know. I think if we do get something small, I'm gonna kill Lewis, my source!!!!

Think positive Pikey, think positive!

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If it turns out to be small; I wont be angry with you Pikey.

Because it's not your fault, you were only reporting what you heard.

Pikey, it's okay to make mistakes, we all do. I won't be upset with you if the project doesn't turn out as rumoured.

GROUP HUG!!!

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No thanks, you hippy arts student!

:grouphug:

I feel like getting ahead of myself here.

Nobody in their right mind would build a skyscraper with that fugly communications tower sticking up right next door - could that mean a new scraper in that area could have a pretty big fuck-off communications spire thingy on top of it? ;)

hmmmm, good theory yob, could be true!!!

200m to spire!!!