This is the Stockholm Infrastructure thread!

From now on every project and development news that has to with the infrastructure and transportation of Stockholm is going to be post here. By meaning infrastructure and transportation, it means things such as roads, railways, mass transit, and highways.

Great! :)

What do you guys think about reposting the infrastructure posts which are in the Quick|Links Stockholm Projects tread here?
Then I could delete the links there, there arn't many of them I don't think, but a few.

E20, Norra länken
Norrmalm, Östermalm

Here is an update on the Norra länken highway project currently being constructed in Stockholm.


Map overview:

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19293/Oversikt_NL%20delproj.jpg

Norrtull

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2446/dsc02583.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3682/dsc02590k.jpg

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/3374/dsc02591p.jpg

Roslagstull

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7480/dsc02592s.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4278/dsc02593f.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6788/dsc02595i.jpg

Frescati

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/8310/dsc02597v.jpg

Värtan

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3003/dsc02598g.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8852/dsc02601f.jpg

Read more here:

TRAFIKVERKET (http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Projekt/Stockholm/E20-norra-lanken/Delprojekt-i-Norra-lanken/)

^^

Fantastic update VECTROTALENZIS!

Worth while waiting for! :)

I didn't know that they where building a tunnel at Roslagstull, or two.

There arn't many infrastructure posts in the Quick|Links thread so I'll post them, hope it's ok! :)

Just some infrastructure projects in Stockholm

Täby Centrum
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7803/206yz.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2635/207q.jpg

Nacka/Söder
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/74/219z.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1229/220zg.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6347/221b.jpg

Norra Djurgårdsstaden
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1098/222ncm.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6254/224k.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9172/225xd.jpg

http://www.rundquist.se/

Mälarbanan

PLATS: BARKARBY - KALLHÄLL, JÄRFÄLLA
UPPDRAGSGIVARE: BANVERKET
ÅR : 2009-

All pictures by Rundquist Arkitekter

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4415/287xw.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9403/292d.jpg

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1686/291a.jpg

Uppdraget omfattar gestaltning för järnvägsplan Mälarbanan för utbyggnaden av fyrspår, delen Barkarby-Kallhäll. I projektet ingår utformningen av stationsmiljöer och anslutning till omgivande stadsstruktur samt ett flertal passager över och under det breddade järnvägsområdet. Ett gestaltningsprogram tas fram.

http://www.rundquist.se/

Spårväg City

Tram Line City

Spårväg City – Designkoncept för spårvagnshållplatser, Stockholm
VAD: kollektivtrafik, parallellt uppdrag, spårväg,
VAR: Från Ropsten till Kungsholmen, Stockholm
NÄR: 2010

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3083/48645333.jpg

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1047/56101137.jpg

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7523/56746553.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1179/86541680.jpg

Parallellskiss med uppgiften att formge ett designkoncept anpassningsbart till hållplatserna längs den nya spårvägssträckningen, Ropsten till Västra Kungsholmen. Projektet utfördes i samarbete med Jonas Bohlin Arkitektkontor för Tyréns i samarbete med SL.

Ur utvärderingen:

”Förslaget tar med lätthet och elegans hand om de fysiska och praktiska grundkrav som följer med uppgiften. Förslaget har en mänsklig dimension och skala där hänsynen till de äldre och unga är sympatisk och även överensstämmer med en SL-syn som säger att resandet skall vara till för alla. Förslaget har ett klassiskt grundformspråk men får ändå, med hjälp av detaljerna i formspråket, en egen karaktär. Lättheten i uttrycket gör att förslaget väl kan passa in i de olika stadsrum som spårvägen kommer att passera igenom – den kanske största utmaningen i uppgiften.”

”Vi tror på att gå vidare med förslaget ”Paviljong” av Jonas Bohlin arkitektkontor AB & Rosenbergs arkitekter AB, då vi ser detta som det förslag som bäst klarar av de olika stadsmiljöerna som spårvägen passerar igenom.”

http://www.rosenbergs.se/projektarkiv/sparvag-city-designkoncept-for-sparvagnshallplatser-stockholm/

Stations for Citybanan

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3926/plattform.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2860/stncitybiljetthall.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7342/undermezzanin2stor.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8026/trapphus.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5777/undermezzanin1.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3864/78665192.png

http://www.banverket.se/sv/Amnen/Aktuella-projekt/Projekt/1867/Citybanan-i-Stockholm/Informationsmaterial/Bildgalleri/Stationer.aspx

Here are some renders of Norra Länken:

Värtan

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19630/NL52_KHR_vy%20%C3%B6verg%C3%A5ng%20v%C3%A4ster_gp%20070627%20(kopia).jpg

Frescati

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19615/tunnelpaslag_stor.jpg

Ventilation vent
http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19615/ventilation_stor.jpg

Roslagstull

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19593/bergtunnel_medel_0603.jpg

Norrtull

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19603/norra-infarten_stor.jpg

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19603/bro_stor.jpg

Noise pollution "shades"
http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19603/bullerskarm_stor.jpg

Those 4 posts I made above from the quick|links thread was about it from that thread so now they are where they belong! :)

Here is some video's about the Norra länken project.

It downloads a file that only streams the video, not download, so it goes fast.

Informative construction video in English:

The construction of Norra länken (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/the_construction_of_norra_lanken_large.wvx)


Test ride video renders:

Frescati (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/frescati_web.wvx)

Norrtull (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/norrtull_n_web.wvx)

Norrtull (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/norrtull_v_web.wvx)

Roslagstull (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/roslagstull_web.wvx)

Värtan (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/vartan_web_080924.wvx)

Great! :)

What do you guys think about reposting the infrastructure posts which are in the Quick|Links Stockholm Projects tread here?
Then I could delete the links there, there arn't many of them I don't think, but a few.
I like that idea! go for it!

my contribution from earlier today (eh... yesterday), a video I shot on Arlanda Express from about Sollentuna to when the train stops at StockholmC. A little bit of transit works can be seen - and the train is very much a form of transit itself :)
3HCuvfSgngI

__________________________________________________________

Now for something I did 2 YEARS AGO, three maps (using eniro.se maps).
first, rail-transit in inner Sthlm then: (only change today is that the first small section of Spårväg City opened a week ago :D)
http://i36.tinypic.com/98sx0k.jpg

second, currently u/c or soon to be u/c:
http://i34.tinypic.com/24324k5.jpg

finally, converting all the trunkline busses, extending Lidingöbanan, Saltjöbanan, Tvärbane-ringline & a new line 6 crosstown for Söder:
http://i33.tinypic.com/2v10k5v.jpg

They're not perfect and I've changed at least couple of my ideas (e.g. Blue line extension going by way of Slussen and Sofia, then brancheing to Nacka and Farsta).

Here is some video's about the Norra länken project.

It downloads a file that only streams the video, not download, so it goes fast.

Informative construction video in English:

The construction of Norra länken (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/21537/the_construction_of_norra_lanken_large.wvx)



I had no idea that the road that goes through Liljansskogen will be shut off for traffic once everything is finished?

Has there been any news on possible tenders for Tunnelbanan's new trains?

Has there been any news on possible tenders for Tunnelbanan's new trains?

There is not just a possibility, it is a fact that the procurement was started last summer, the contract will probably be signed by the end of the year and the trains will start to arrive by 2013.

There is not just a possibility, it is a fact that the procurement was started last summer, the contract will probably be signed by the end of the year and the trains will start to arrive by 2013.

I think I read over at Spårvägssällskapet's forum that SL had not given any specification for where the doors should be placed on these new trains (which ironically have been given the model number C30!), and if they're not the same I think we can say bye bye to automatic doors and glass walls separating the tracks from the platform to avoid the accidents that have been occurring lately.

Btw, thanks for dividing the Stockholm projects thread. I'm much more interested in infrastructure so this will make me more active here. :okay:

I think I read over at Spårvägssällskapet's forum that SL had not given any specification for where the doors should be placed on these new trains (which ironically have been given the model number C30!), and if they're not the same I think we can say bye bye to automatic doors and glass walls separating the tracks from the platform to avoid the accidents that have been occurring lately.



I think you read it here!
(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=62370475&highlight=#post62370475)

See the post, both khaan's and my remarks.

And there's nothing ironic about C30! When I chose my username a few years ago, C30 was my guess for the designation of the next generation of metro cars. As you can see, I was right!

And there's nothing ironic about C30! When I chose my username a few years ago, C30 was my guess for the designation of the next generation of metro cars. As you can see, I was right!
:) Indeed you were! Sometimes the naming systems used are easy to figure out.

So we might start seeing renders within a year? awesome!

So that's what all the construction was about (Norra Länken), I basically passed every part of it and wondered what the hell they were building. :lol:

I thin that they new Spårvagn city trams is very ugly. Why black and yellow!

I thin that they new Spårvagn city trams is very ugly. Why black and yellow!

Because it looks luxurious and modern, and it doesn't look ugly in my opinion, otherwise it wouldn't have won. :)

Here is a possible future tram map that the alliansen in Stockholm want to build:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8450/dsc02610n.jpg

SL:s tidtabell spricker med tio år

Here is an article about that Spårväg City may be finished in 2024 and not in 2014.

SL:s tidtabell spricker med tio år (http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/sls-tidtabell-spricker-med-tio-ar_5206627.svd)

How can other cities in other countries have double or even triple ring roads? Why not Stockholm?

Well. They have single, double or triple queues. Cause that is basicly what you get. If you build one motorway, you get one queue. If you build two, you get two queues. If you build 10, you get 10 queues.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2308/2387570522_7c99c54e63.jpg
http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/images/autodep2s.jpg

The thing is that it is technically impossible to solve congestion problems with more motorways in dense cities. Ask any traffic planner. It cannot be done.
Not even the planners for förbifart Stockholm claims it can be done. Their own reports point to a worsening traffic situation as a result of the ring road being built.

What we need to solve is transportation of people and goods. When the city gets bigger and more dense it is of course quite obvious that we need to move people from the extremely inefficient and space requiring personal car into public transit and car-pool systems.

It's not about ideology or being against cars. It's about physics.

Yes, but the main reason they want to build is because it'll connect north and south better so more people will want to work in the north and live the south and vise-versa. Förbifart will decrease the time from traveling those directions.

Well. No. It is true that the road will decrease travelling times with a car at first, but in a quite short time the added capacity this road gives will be eaten up by the new cars that go onto that road. This is how it works when you build motorways in large cities and it is a well known fact for traffic planners. The traffic will take all the space that it is given. If you build 1 ring road or 10 is really only a question of whether you want one queue or ten queues.
If we want to make it easier to get between the south and the north we need to move people from inefficient personal cars into public transit systems.

I thin that they new Spårvagn city trams is very ugly. Why black and yellow!

Well. They won the public vote so :)
Personally I would prefer an SL-blue color though.

SL:s tidtabell spricker med tio år

Here is an article about that Spårväg City may be finished in 2024 and not in 2014.

SL:s tidtabell spricker med tio år (http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/sls-tidtabell-spricker-med-tio-ar_5206627.svd)

It is bad news indeed. However, bear in mind that this article is in Svenska Dagbladet, so I would be cautious in giving it to much merit at this point.

Well. No. It is true that the road will decrease travelling times with a car at first, but in a quite short time the added capacity this road gives will be eaten up by the new cars that go onto that road. This is how it works when you build motorways in large cities and it is a well known fact for traffic planners. The traffic will take all the space that it is given. If you build 1 ring road or 10 is really only a question of whether you want one queue or ten queues.
If we want to make it easier to get between the south and the north we need to move people from inefficient personal cars into public transit systems.

Yes, we need good public transit systems as well but to have a functioning city infrastructure we need to invest in roads as well. I recently watched the info video about the project and they said the time decreasing and the releasing of pressure from essingeleden which has become a bottleneck for the city was the reason for building it. But i do agree 30 billion sek could be used better. For exampel a T-bana extension to nacka, which is much needed.

Because it looks luxurious and modern, and it doesn't look ugly in my opinion, otherwise it wouldn't have won. :)

Yuck, black and yellow is a shame. Will have to complain about that to SL staff anytime I use it... :ohno:

Yuck, black and yellow is a shame. Will have to complain about that to SL staff anytime I use it... :ohno:

I'm guessing you have an issue with that for another reason than purely aesthetical, but I agree that the coulor of the trams shows a lack of consequence in the coloring scheme of the public transport. Rail is blue, buses are red. Trunk bus lines have been colored blue to connect psychologically to rail lines, so logically the tram should be blue also.

Yes, we need good public transit systems as well but to have a functioning city infrastructure we need to invest in roads as well. I recently watched the info video about the project and they said the time decreasing and the releasing of pressure from essingeleden which has become a bottleneck for the city was the reason for building it. But i do agree 30 billion sek could be used better. For exampel a T-bana extension to nacka, which is much needed.

Oh yes, I completely agree on the fact that we need to build more roads as well as rail, and that Essingeleden needs alternatives.
The thing is, förbifarten is not such an alternative. According to the studies done regarding the förbifart we will actually in the end get even more traffic on Essingeleden as a result of förbifarten being built.

It's all really odd to me.

Spårväg City

Tram Line City

Spårväg City – Designkoncept för spårvagnshållplatser, Stockholm
VAD: kollektivtrafik, parallellt uppdrag, spårväg,
VAR: Från Ropsten till Kungsholmen, Stockholm
NÄR: 2010

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3083/48645333.jpg

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1047/56101137.jpg




Jag gillar den här designen men så här ser ju inte hållplatserna ut, de är betydligt tråkigare... Är detta för framtida hållplatser?

^^

Nej, det var bara ett inofficiellt förslag.

^^

Nej, det var bara ett inofficiellt förslag.

But it says that it was was a parallell sketch for SL and at the evaluation it also said that this was the one they believed in going ahead with, but apparently something happened during the stages up untill now!

(Suppose it still could have beeen inofficial although it was a paralllell task? :dunno:)

Anyway I liked the proposal a lot!

”Vi tror på att gå vidare med förslaget ”Paviljong” av Jonas Bohlin arkitektkontor AB & Rosenbergs arkitekter AB, då vi ser detta som det förslag som bäst klarar av de olika stadsmiljöerna som spårvägen passerar igenom.”

Parallellskiss med uppgiften att formge ett designkoncept anpassningsbart till hållplatserna längs den nya spårvägssträckningen, Ropsten till Västra Kungsholmen. Projektet utfördes i samarbete med Jonas Bohlin Arkitektkontor för Tyréns i samarbete med SL.

Here is a possible future tram map that the alliansen in Stockholm want to build:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8450/dsc02610n.jpg
I disagree completely with the idea of building Tvärbanan Slussen-Norrmalmstorg-Odenplan-Solna. Tvärbanan is a suburban LRT and shouldn't go into the Inner City at all IMO (Slussen I can live with until such time as a tunnel under Saltsjön is possibly built - no official plans for that tho). Tvärbana Syd should NOT go to Gullmars - it should head east all the way to Skarpnäck! (if not past that even).


But it says that it was was a parallell sketch for SL and at the evaluation it also said that this was the one they believed in going ahead with, but apparently something happened during the stages up untill now!
(Suppose it still could have beeen inofficial although it was a paralllell task? :dunno:)
Anyway I liked the proposal a lot!
I didn't see it before afaik, but I prefer it over the ones that got built.

I don't get that Saltsjöbanan thing. Why should there be a line of used metro wagons? :)

I found this video of a 13-year old child who talks about Spårväg City and i Thought that i just needed to post it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDaaG2L-yk

:lol::lol:

I found this video of a 13-year old child who talks about Spårväg City and i Thought that i just needed to post it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDaaG2L-yk

:lol::lol:

I'm very impressed! I wish more kids could be as him...

I found this video of a 13-year old child who talks about Spårväg City and i Thought that i just needed to post it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDaaG2L-yk

:lol::lol:

Haha! Yeah i've seen that one, it has become very popular! A kid talking like an old guy! :P Asbergers maybe?

Tvärbana Syd should NOT go to Gullmars - it should head east all the way to Skarpnäck! (if not past that even).

That is an important point that needs to be made. Spårväg Syd really should become an outer ring, connecting the outer reaches of the green and red lines with each other.

Citybanan
Stockholm City Centre

Work being done on the Citybanan in central Stockholm:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4770/dsc02613.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/379/dsc02614j.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3757/dsc02616s.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4932/dsc02617o.jpg

Map:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Citybanan_karta.jpg

I disagree completely with the idea of building Tvärbanan Slussen-Norrmalmstorg-Odenplan-Solna. Tvärbanan is a suburban LRT and shouldn't go into the Inner City at all IMO (Slussen I can live with until such time as a tunnel under Saltsjön is possibly built - no official plans for that tho). Tvärbana Syd should NOT go to Gullmars - it should head east all the way to Skarpnäck! (if not past that even).



I didn't see it before afaik, but I prefer it over the ones that got built.

Jag håller fullständigt med Svensk. Tvärbanan ÄR en förortsbana. Varför skall man sänka farten och dra in den till innerstaden? Att de (politruckerna) aldrig lyssnar på de som VERKLIGEN kan det här - planerarna. För några år sedan gjorde studenter vid Sthlms Universitet ett gediget examensarbete där de kom fram till att det bästa för Tväbanan vore att dra den från Danvikstull och genom tunnel under Saltsjön till Djurgården och vidare norrut i riktning mot Ropsten.

Sedan det här om Spårväg Syd. Den SKALL, BÖR och framför allt MÅSTE dras vidare mot Skarpnäck så att den korsar gröna linjens tre sydliga grenar så att folk kan få byta smidigt. Sedan saknar jag hållplatserna "Masmo" och "Skärholmen" på den "nya" (suck och dubbelsuck) planen för Spårväg Syd.

Man blir bara frustrerad. Djäkla nötter... - inte på er gott folk, utan på de folkvalda.

Jag håller fullständigt med Svensk. Tvärbanan ÄR en förortsbana. Varför skall man sänka farten och dra in den till innerstaden? Att de (politruckerna) aldrig lyssnar på de som VERKLIGEN kan det här - planerarna. För några år sedan gjorde studenter vid Sthlms Universitet ett gediget examensarbete där de kom fram till att det bästa för Tväbanan vore att dra den från Danvikstull och genom tunnel under Saltsjön till Djurgården och vidare norrut i riktning mot Ropsten.

Sedan det här om Spårväg Syd. Den SKALL, BÖR och framför allt MÅSTE dras vidare mot Skarpnäck så att den korsar gröna linjens tre sydliga grenar så att folk kan få byta smidigt. Sedan saknar jag hållplatserna "Masmo" och "Skärholmen" på den "nya" (suck och dubbelsuck) planen för Spårväg Syd.

Man blir bara frustrerad. Djäkla nötter... - inte på er gott folk, utan på de folkvalda.

Take it easy, this is just a vision, nothing is decided. :)

Tvärbana Syd should NOT go to Gullmars - it should head east all the way to Skarpnäck! (if not past that even).


Id rather like the other end to continue to Haninge, one of the ends need to be close to the city.

I disagree completely with the idea of building Tvärbanan Slussen-Norrmalmstorg-Odenplan-Solna. Tvärbanan is a suburban LRT and shouldn't go into the Inner City at all IMO (Slussen I can live with until such time as a tunnel under Saltsjön is possibly built - no official plans for that tho).
Tvärbanan will be divided into several different lines in the future, one such line will probably be Gullmarsplan - Slussen (and Norrmalmstorg or further in the future). Which means that there will most likely be two different types on trains, A35 for the now existing line and the Solna/Kista extensions, and another one for Gullmarsplan - inner city.

Id rather like the other end to continue to Haninge, one of the ends need to be close to the city.

På 90-talet fanns det tankar (och jag har planerna hemma!) om att förgrena den från Flemingsberg, dels skulle en gren sticka iväg mot Riksten-Tullinge-Tumba-Hallunda/Alby och dels skulle en helt annan gren sticka iväg mot Jordbro.

Take it easy, this is just a vision, nothing is decided. :)

Nej tack. Och eftersom det blott är en vision är det större anledning till att vara med och påverka!

@Chilenofuturista

Try to speak english if you can as not all people understand swedish.

Förbifart Stockholm
Metropolitan Stockholm

Här är informationsfilm på Förbifart Stockholm:

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På 90-talet fanns det tankar (och jag har planerna hemma!) om att förgrena den från Flemingsberg, dels skulle en gren sticka iväg mot Riksten-Tullinge-Tumba-Hallunda/Alby och dels skulle en helt annan gren sticka iväg mot Jordbro.

Intressant, jag vet alldeles för lite om botkyrka för att uttala mig men när det gäller en förlängning till Haninge är jag 100% för men jag är dock tveksam till jordbro som slutmål, hellre Handen C eller (om den nu byggs) Vega station. Denna linje bord självklart gå via centrala huddinge.

Id rather like the other end to continue to Haninge, one of the ends need to be close to the city.
I dont' see it that way at all. Tvärbanan is not a line that you take to get to the city, it's a suburb-to-suburb line. There is a need for the Älvsjö-Skarpnäck line, much more than Älvsjö-Gullmar line (tho that line could use LRT too, especially if Årsta is densely developed).

Tvärbanan will be divided into several different lines in the future, one such line will probably be Gullmarsplan - Slussen (and Norrmalmstorg or further in the future). Which means that there will most likely be two different types on trains, A35 for the now existing line and the Solna/Kista extensions, and another one for Gullmarsplan - inner city.
Splitting it into several lines and having a few stretches in common with urban trams makes plenty of sense. But having it be the same line as shown on that map... not good at all. I don't want the A32s running on urban streets more than necessary, real urban trams would be much smarter and make more people like the lines.


@Chilenofuturista
Try to speak english if you can as not all people understand swedish.
Nah, the local forums are both English and local language. :)

Splitting it into several lines and having a few stretches in common with urban trams makes plenty of sense. But having it be the same line as shown on that map... not good at all. I don't want the A32s running on urban streets more than necessary, real urban trams would be much smarter and make more people like the lines.
Keep in mind though that by the time the Slussen extension is done, A32 will no longer be in use on Tvärbanan! A35 could very well be a model suitable for both inner city and suburban use.

Keep in mind though that by the time the Slussen extension is done, A32 will no longer be in use on Tvärbanan! A35 could very well be a model suitable for both inner city and suburban use.

Is there a picture of that model? :)

Do they plan on introducing the modernised Arlanda Express trains before the end of this year?

I was also wondering which companies submitted rolling stock tenders for the C30.

Is there a picture of that model? :)
No, the decision has not yet been made. I think sometime next spring we will know at least which type it will be. The final design will probably come later.

^^ok, where did u get the info about a35 replacing the a32?

Do they plan on introducing the modernised Arlanda Express trains before the end of this year?
I didn't even know they were modernizing them before this thread started! I rode on ARN-express last friday but didn't see the new style train. I guess it wasn't running that day. Hope I get to ride it next time :)

They have started to introduce the new interior design of the Arlanda Express train (went in one some week ago) but only a few cars have it yet.

^^ok, where did u get the info about a35 replacing the a32?
From SL and Veolia, A35 is bought for the Solna extension, and A32, in number and layout, would be suitable for Saltsjöbanan if that one's converted to tram standard.

Nothing is set in stone yet, though. But this is how the speculation goes!

^Sounds logical. Considering we're getting all the A32s shipped up from the Netherlands (they used part of SL's option for more trams) how many does SL have now and does Saltsjöbanan really need all those cars? hm, maybe a few could be used on Lidingöbanan too?

Can't wait for the new trams and subway cars!

^Sounds logical. Considering we're getting all the A32s shipped up from the Netherlands (they used part of SL's option for more trams) how many does SL have now and does Saltsjöbanan really need all those cars? hm, maybe a few could be used on Lidingöbanan too?
All in all with the Dutch cars there's 37 A32. From what I've heard, that's about what's needed to cover Saltsjöbanan.

But there's also forces along Saltis working to keep it as a railway, so who knows what will happen?

Good thread, this. I will be following it closely. :yes:

For those who like old maps of Stockholm, here's a real treasure (http://sparvagsmuseet.sl.se/article/stockholm-i-kartor/) from Spårvägsmuséet's website.

Debatt om förbifart Stockholm från ikväll:

http://svtplay.se/v/2127496/valextra_debatten_om_forbifarten

The center party want to extend the blue line to Hammarby Sjöstad and then further to Nacka.

http://svtplay.se/v/2127859/c_vill_bygga_ut_tunnelbanan

The center party want to extend the blue line to Hammarby Sjöstad and then further to Nacka.

http://svtplay.se/v/2127859/c_vill_bygga_ut_tunnelbanan

:bow:

:bow:

Vad bra nyhet är det! :)

The Central station gets a new look.

http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter/lokala_nyheter/stockholm%3FvideoId%3D1.1763443

The Central station gets a new look.

http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter/lokala_nyheter/stockholm%3FvideoId%3D1.1763443

Wow, cool :)

The center party want to extend the blue line to Hammarby Sjöstad and then further to Nacka.

http://svtplay.se/v/2127859/c_vill_bygga_ut_tunnelbanan

If I lived in Stockholm kommun, i would so vote for centerpartiet. They really have good proposals for the city when it comes to urban and infrastructural developments.

If I lived in Stockholm kommun, i would so vote for centerpartiet. They really have good proposals for the city when it comes to urban and infrastructural developments.

Then again, there is so much more to an election than just those issues. I live in Stockholm kommun and I will not vote for them.

Then again, there is so much more to an election than just those issues. I live in Stockholm kommun and I will not vote for them.

Of course, I always keep that in mind when i'm voting too. But this is just bonus. :)

The Central station gets a new look.

http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter/lokala_nyheter/stockholm%3FvideoId%3D1.1763443
and this is just step one! when Västra City really gets going the whole track layout will be re-done! Haven't seen any renders in a while, but if it all goes as Jernhusen showed a couple of years ago Stockholm C will turn into quite the amazing station: more tracks, less prone to problems, easier to get to ones train, better connections with the city...

the new temporary solnabride

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs415.snc4/47787_467109606578_738501578_6565063_1206703_n.jpg

what i guess will be the bicycle / pedestrian line
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs437.snc4/48005_467109116578_738501578_6565056_6192627_n.jpg

Tvärbana Norr Solnagrenen
Bromma, Sundbyberg

Major work being done at Tvärbana Norr Solnagrenen.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1952/dsc02632e.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4644/dsc02634q.jpg

Etapp 2 is getting prepared to start construction.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7251/dsc02641j.jpg

Read more here:

Tvärbanan till Solna (http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Tvarbanan/Solnagrenen/)

Awesome update VECTRO! Looking forward to more tvärbanan updates! :D

I'm really impressed by all these frequent photo-updates! Much appreciated guys.

Tvärbana Norr Solnagrenen
Bromma, Sundbyberg


Tvärbanan till Solna (http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Tvarbanan/Solnagrenen/)


Great. Does anyone know about how long it will take before it will be done and open for public? :)

EDIT: 2013 according to that link. :)

I'm really impressed by all these frequent photo-updates! Much appreciated guys.
Yeah, it's much appreciated. and a bit impressive, you get around our city quite a bit! :)

Great. Does anyone know about how long it will take before it will be done and open for public? :)
EDIT: 2013 according to that link. :)
That's real soon :) I wonder if I'll be seeing tracks in the street before I move on to another consultancy position.

Citybanan@Odenplan

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs406.snc4/46879_467516121578_738501578_6571413_6693853_n.jpg

http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/13404/a/151552
http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/15/09/93/8e90a300.pdf
Transportinfrastrukturkommittén har i dag lämnat sitt enhälliga betänkande (SOU 2010:57) till infrastrukturminister Åsa Torstensson. I betänkandet lämnas en rad förslag som innebär stora förändringar och effektiviseringar av den fysiska planeringsprocessen för vägar och järnvägar.

Yes, thank you very much.
Now please introduce these changes as soon as possible.

^Läste texten på första länken och det låter urbra! Också bra för att det skapar ett alternativ mot PBLs krångliga planprocess för husbyggande, vilket kanske kan pusha på åt rätt håll även där.

ps - den där infon hör hemma i alla svenska infra-trådar. är det ok om jag kopierar din post in i dom andra trådarna? (alla kommer räknas som dina :D)

Jamenvisst, the more the merrier :D
As for when it'll be introduced at earliest, January 2012

The Central station gets a new look.

http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter/lokala_nyheter/stockholm%3FvideoId%3D1.1763443

Boscorelli, isn't there any information avalable in english about htis project? :)

Boscorelli, isn't there any information avalable in english about htis project? :)

No I'm sorry but I havn't seen any but perhaps someone else has?

No I'm sorry but I havn't seen any but perhaps someone else has?

That's ok, friend. :)
I just wanted to post a new about this project with the source (in english) in the lithuanian forum.

Here is an articel about that Centerpartiet in Stockholm want to expand the metro.

Några viktiga punkter:


Blå linjen bör dras vidare från Kungsträdgården under Skeppsholmen till östra Södermalm/Hammarby sjöstad, Sickla och Forum Nacka för att längre fram kunna förlängas till Orminge.


Norra stationsområdet kommer att bli den tätaste stadsdel som någonsin byggts i Stockholm. Tillsammans med Nya Karolinska kommer området att ha ett stort behov av kapacitetsstark kollektivtrafik. Hittills har inget konkret och trovärdigt alternativ till tunnelbana presenterats som klarar kapacitetsbehoven. Om så inte omgående sker måste frågan om att skapa en ny gren på gröna linjen från Odenplan därför aktualiseras på nytt.

Vi ser det också som önskvärt blå linjen på sikt förlängs från Hjulsta till Barkarby.

Med fortsatt alliansstyre i staden, länet och landet kan vi förena tillväxt och välstånd med en radikalt minskad miljöpåverkan. I denna ekvation är utbyggnaden av tunnelbanan en viktig pusselbit.

English


Blue Line should be pulled from Kungsträdgården under Skeppsholmen to eastern Södermalm / Hammarby sjöstad, Sickla and Forum Nacka in order to later be extended to Orminge.


North Station area will be the densest suburb ever built in Stockholm. Together with the Nya Karolinska it will have a great need for strong public transport capacity. To date, no concrete and credible alternative to subway is presented that is capable of capacity requirements. If not done immediately, the question of creating a new branch on the Green Line from Odenplan therefore recur.

We also consider it desirable blue line eventually extended from Hjulsta to Barkarby.

With continued alliance government in the city, county and country, we can combine growth and prosperity with a radically reduced environmental impact. This formula is the expansion of the subway an important piece of the puzzle.



”Tunnelbanan är inte färdigbyggd!” (http://www.dn.se/debatt/stockholmsdebatt/tunnelbanan-ar-inte-fardigbyggd-1.1162121)

Here is an articel about that Centerpartiet in Stockholm want to expand the metro.

Några viktiga punkter:



English




”Tunnelbanan är inte färdigbyggd!” (http://www.dn.se/debatt/stockholmsdebatt/tunnelbanan-ar-inte-fardigbyggd-1.1162121)
That's all very well, but Centern is the smallest party in Stockholm so I doubt they'll have much say in the matter...

^Sadly, this is true. But Per (C's guy on the City council at the moment) is one of the best IMO when it comes to urban planning and such issues. Having more C and less FP would be sweeeeet.

^Sadly, this is true. But Per (C's guy on the City council at the moment) is one of the best IMO when it comes to urban planning and such issues. Having more C and less FP would be sweeeeet.
Absolutely!! I might just vote for C in Stockholm.

Hi guys,

I just found a map yesterday on Trafikverket site (http://www.trafikverket.se/Om-Trafikverket/Spraksida/English-Engelska/Road-construction-projects/E4-the-Stockholm-bypass/Route-of-Forbifart-Stockholm/) which is new to me, since so far i knew only for the Kungens Kurva - Häggvik part of planned Stockholm bypass, but connecting half-finished Norrortsleden and future Södertörnsleden makes bypass looks more decent with half a ring around the Stockholm.

And E18 will be connected to E4 avoiding the motorway gap.

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/27353/Regionen-med-FS.gif (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/27353/Stockholm%20with%20Forbifart%20Stockholm.jpg)
Click a map to enlarge.

Observing the Norra länken plans there is something that confuses me a little bit. Looking at this (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/27353/Stockholm%20with%20Forbifart%20Stockholm.jpg) map it looks like Norra länken is part of the Stockholm inner ring. But looking at this (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19293/Oversikt_NL%20delproj.jpg) map it doesn't look like that since it connects directly to the bridge and to Lidingö.

But maybe this only is a temporary solution until they add a new interchange for the eastern part of the inner ring. Still if it is, I think it's a waste of money.

Observing the Norra länken plans there is something that confuses me a little bit. Looking at this (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/27353/Stockholm%20with%20Forbifart%20Stockholm.jpg) map it looks like Norra länken is part of the Stockholm inner ring. But looking at this (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19293/Oversikt_NL%20delproj.jpg) map it doesn't look like that since it connects directly to the bridge and to Lidingö.

But maybe this only is a temporary solution until they add a new interchange for the eastern part of the inner ring. Still if it is, I think it's a waste of money.

You are quite right.

Look again at the second map you posted. All that is green is basically just a connection to Lidingö and the port area. That connection is the main reason for Norra länken getting built.

Now look at the point just west of the red-green line. That is where the Eastern Link will connect if it ever is built. See a map here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Stockholmsringen_2000a.jpg).

Observing the Norra länken plans there is something that confuses me a little bit. Looking at this (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/27353/Stockholm%20with%20Forbifart%20Stockholm.jpg) map it looks like Norra länken is part of the Stockholm inner ring. But looking at this (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/19293/Oversikt_NL%20delproj.jpg) map it doesn't look like that since it connects directly to the bridge and to Lidingö.

But maybe this only is a temporary solution until they add a new interchange for the eastern part of the inner ring. Still if it is, I think it's a waste of money.

The eastern connection (Österleden) is unfortionately far away I would say, so it makes sense. I would think we are talking decades before the ring is complete with a built Österleden as things stand right now.
The politicians has instead for some very odd reason decided to go for the insanely expensive and inefficient Förbifart Stockholm instead even though the eastern connection (Österleden), as opposed to the bypass, is actually needed.

The eastern connection (Österleden) is unfortionately far away I would say, so it makes sense. I would think we are talking decades before the ring is complete with a built Österleden as things stand right now.
The politicians has instead for some very odd reason decided to go for the insanely expensive and inefficient Förbifart Stockholm instead even though the eastern connection (Österleden), as opposed to the bypass, is actually needed.
Yeah, Österleden makes more sense than Förbifarten (not that hard since Förbifarten makes negative sense). My dream for new roadtunnels would be Österleden + Centralleden as a tunnel instead of a bridge + a local road tunnel roughly where the Slagsta ferry goes + a local road tunnel to the east of the city.

^^

Österleden is planned to be built after Förbifart Stockholm, so the earliest construction can start is in 2020.

Österleden is way more important than förbifart! Stockholm is in great need of a ring road.

E18, Hjulsta–Kista
Västerort


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1458/12481019.png

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/22126/Vagverket_Tidplan_nov_09.jpg


Construction update
Pictures taken by VECTROTALENZIS.

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Renders

http://www.vv.se/PageFiles/11508/b_hjulsta_trafikpl.jpg

http://www.vv.se/PageFiles/11508/b_arvinge_trafikpl.jpg

http://www.vv.se/PageFiles/11508/b_kista_trafikpl.jpg

http://www.vv.se/PageFiles/11508/b_tunnelmynning.jpg

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/22832/13_Tpl_Rissne_webb.jpg

http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/22828/9_Tpl_rinkeby_webb.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2518/12637549.png

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8909/52464381.png

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More information

Trafikverket (http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Projekt/Stockholm/E18-HjulstaKista/Om-projektet/)

Rebuilding E18, Hjulsta - Kista, (will be opened in new window) english version (http://www.trafikverket.se/PageFiles/22598/e18_hjulsta_kista_eng_stor.wvx)

Does anyone know how far Rv73 is from completion? It says here (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riksv%C3%A4g_73)that it should be done in the coming months, but it didn't look that way when I passed through there two weeks ago. Anyone with any more info?

What plans are there for Riksväg 79?

What plans are there for Riksväg 79?

There is no Riksväg 79 so I'm guessing you mean Rv73. The completion of the motorway project from Fors to Nynäshamn. They've finished the motorway up until Överfors, just north of Ösmo. So we're waiting for it to be completed all the way.

Quick question. Are they planning to do any ring railway connections across the northern areas of Stockholm to connect Taby to Jakobsberg for example? I noticed that there are road networks that follow this route but no rail and that is one of the biggest problems with the public transport system in Stockholm at the moment - the hub-and-spoke model of it on the whole (bar a few modes). Thanks! :)

^^ As far as I know the only rapid transit projects are the Tvärbana Norr Solna/Kista/Sollentuna.

:dunno:

Quick question. Are they planning to do any ring railway connections across the northern areas of Stockholm to connect Taby to Jakobsberg for example? I noticed that there are road networks that follow this route but no rail and that is one of the biggest problems with the public transport system in Stockholm at the moment - the hub-and-spoke model of it on the whole (bar a few modes). Thanks! :)

:lol: Keep on dreaming. It's Stockholm we're talking about.
You're right Svartmetall, but then again, it's Stockholm.

Slaget om förbifarten

http://svtplay.se/v/2142166/slaget_om_forbifarten

Att lösa upp trafikknutarna i Stockholm är en fråga som engagerar.

Valdagen närmar sig och med den så duggar de politiska utspelen allt tätare. På fredagen samlade Moderaterna till en pressträff för att
slå ett slag för bygget av Förbifart Stockholm.

Does anybody know if there are any plans to increase the congestion charge in the near future?

Igelbodadepån

Render DOT arkitekter

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8727/timthumb2o.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4686/timthumb3.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9729/timthumbn.jpg

Som ett led i tvärbanans utbyggnad vill SL ersätta den åldrade depån i Neglinge med en depå ny vid Igelboda.
Uppdraget innebär för närvarande programbearbetning, systemhandlingar och illustrationsarbete för att tydliggöra depåns påverkan på den omedelbara omgivningen.

Depån kommer att omfatta tre byggnader: en upp-ställningsbyggnad för trettio trafikfordon, en verkstads-byggnad för reparation, underhåll och tvätt samt en mindre verkstadsbyggnad för arbetsfordon.

Alla tre har i hög grad specialanpassade funktioner för de olika fordonstyperna.

http://dotarkitekter.se/projekt/infrastruktur/igelbodadepan

the new temporary solnabridge

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs671.snc4/61104_471999456578_738501578_6670143_5034154_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs645.snc4/60494_471999791578_738501578_6670149_8261307_n.jpg

^^ Looks like someone will be getting wood :D

Here's an interesting map over road projects that is planned for the future.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2380/30575491.png

Here are the alternatives for the east motorway around Stockholm to complete the ringroad.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2029/48147125.png

^^ Personally I'd want option D. It keeps cars away from the city centre, and doesn't have the huge detour that option F would have. Plus, I'd imagine that option F would be really expensive compared to option D.

Also, it's a little depressing to see just so much road investment in Stockholm compared to public transport projects. Though Stockholm has quite a few projects, it appears that overall the focus is on the road network. A shame given how user-friendly your PT system is on the whole.

^^

Many of the projects planned should have been built for 30-20 years ago. In fact, almost all the projects planned today are just projects that wasn't built in the 60s to 90s. That has made the Stockholm infrastructure being neglected comparing to other cities in the world (Stockholm is together with Albania's capital Tirana the only capital cities in Europe which doesn't have an outer expressring). The left wing haven't done much the last 30 years when they have been in the city council. Now the right wing must built everything that the left wing haven't done...

Why don't that build "Östra leden" alternative D instead of Förbifarten? Would be much more congestion relieving than förbifarten. With an upgraded Riksväg 55 (Mäldardiagonalen) to 2+1 all the way, most through traffic would use that anyway.

Förbifart Stockholm is not only for by-passing traffic, it's also for integrating south Stockholm with north Stockholm. How about people living in Vällingby or Sollentuna and working in Södertälje or Skärholmen? Today they must travell via Essingeleden. Almost all the traffic today between southern Stockholm and nortern Stockholm goes via Essingeleden. Everybody who have travelled on Essingeleden in the rush hour knows that the road is a bottleneck.

^^

Many of the projects planned should have been built for 30-20 years ago. In fact, almost all the projects planned today are just projects that wasn't built in the 60s to 90s. That has made the Stockholm infrastructure being neglected comparing to other cities in the world (Stockholm is together with Albania's capital Tirana the only capital cities in Europe which doesn't have an outer expressring). The left wing haven't done much the last 30 years when they have been in the city council. Now the right wing must built everything that the left wing haven't done...

That said, how many other countries in Europe have a city of Stockholm's size with the amount of impressive rail infrastructure you guys have. Neglect in one part of your infrastructure has led to you guys having a 43% modal share to public transport and only a 33% share to cars (15% walking and 7% bike). Building more roads will only make the share of cars increase due to induced demand and instead of being one of the European cities with the best modal split, it will become a worse one.

Take a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share. Few cities have as good a modal split as Stockholm.

So, by not building the motorway, it forces people to not use the car?

Förbifart Stockholm is not only for by-passing traffic, it's also for integrating south Stockholm with north Stockholm. How about people living in Vällingby or Sollentuna and working in Södertälje or Skärholmen? Today they must travell via Essingeleden. Almost all the traffic today between southern Stockholm and nortern Stockholm goes via Essingeleden. Everybody who have travelled on Essingeleden in the rush hour knows that the road is a bottleneck.

It may contribute to regional development, but that kind of development will rely on cars. Sprawl on Lovön will be an almost inescapable side-effect.

IMO, Diagonal Ulvsunda (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vzcZIBmforw/Sq9WM3l3Z3I/AAAAAAAAABA/x4XfLe84TNQ/s1600-h/diagonalulvsunda.jpg) would have been a better alternative. In contrast to Förbifarten, which is way too far out for that purpose, Diagonal Ulvsunda could actually divert some traffic from Essingeleden.

Some more good arguments here:
http://ekobyn.blogspot.com/2009/09/diagonal-ulvsunda-en-smartare-vag.html

So, by not building the motorway, it forces people to not use the car?

Well, not forces, no. More gives greater incentive not to use the car. Think about it, nearly everything in life takes the path of least resistance. If you make one mode markedly more attractive than another then people will take it. Currently public transport is competitively priced and reasonably quick and efficient compared with private transport. You build motorways everywhere and you'll simply end up in the situation (as per the theory of induced demand dictates) where more people will move to private transport due to the perceived time savings and convenience associated with it.

Ergo, it is best to offer 1:1 investment in both modes to offer proper choice between the two. To only invest in one results in a greater shift to that mode. I don't mind motorway building as long as it is matched by equal investment in public transport infrastructure. Make more sense? :)

Slaget om förbifarten

http://svtplay.se/v/2142166/slaget_om_forbifarten

Sad though to see our minister of finance, for whom I do have a lot of respect, regurgitate the untruth that the bypass (förbifart Sthlm) is needed for the public transport to work.
That is, simply put, not true. Not now, not ever. There are just no reports to support such a claim, in fact it is the exact opposite. As a direct result of förbifarten being built, the percentage of people using public transit will decrease in Stockholm. (This according to the actual reports that trafikverket has done)

^^

Many of the projects planned should have been built for 30-20 years ago. In fact, almost all the projects planned today are just projects that wasn't built in the 60s to 90s.

Well. To be perfectly honest they did not always have such good ideas back in the 60:s and 70:s....

So, by not building the motorway, it forces people to not use the car?

No. But by building efficient and attractive public transit systems you give people an alternative to the car.
The main problem with förbifart Stockholm is, of course, that it is counterproductive. We are talking about a major investent of at least 40 billion SEK (the figure will of course rise sharply as it always do) that in fact will worsen the traffic situation. (Yes, this according to the official reports)
Money well spent? I think not...

Österleden would be so much better to build and a lot cheaper.

^^yeah! But cheaper, i don't know.

How could it not be cheaper? You have a 20 km motorway with 17 km of tunnels, and one that will be 6-7 km.The only bad thing is that they didn't make preparatory works for the extension at Sickla which means that the Nacka and Sickla tunnels will have to be closed for some 1,5 years during initial construction. I hope they don't make the same mistake at Norra Länken because a closure there would be even more devastating.

The real question is, why prioritize the bypass over the completition of the ring road?

The real question is, why prioritize the bypass over the completition of the ring road?

Well. A theory I have is this:
Since Stockholm has had a severe shortage of investements in infrastructure for so many years the politicians take anything they can get.
I think many politicians do want the förbifart because they havent gotten around to actually read up on what it is about, but some I believe are also of the opinion I just described.

^^That's one heck of a wild theory. :P

The Förbifart would me much more used than the Österleden, since it is an importan construction for the entire area, not just stockholmers going from e.g Häggvik to Kungens Kurva, but also for long distance drivers, bus traffic and truckers, who won't have to get delayed by hours on Essingeleden.

The Förbifart would me much more used than the Österleden, since it is an importan construction for the entire area, not just stockholmers going from e.g Häggvik to Kungens Kurva, but also for long distance drivers, bus traffic and truckers, who won't have to get delayed by hours on Essingeleden.

No, this is simply not the case.

Long distance heavy traffic drivers that don't stop or start in the Stockholm region already avoid Essingeleden. According to a study done by SIKA it's only about 200 vehicles per day iirc. Instead they use Riksväg 55.
So in reality, if we want to help the long distance drivers it is Riksväg 55 that needs an upgrade.

The förbifart would be used though, but not by long distance drivers but rather by Stockholmers that has settled in the new urban sprawl that the new expressway will result in.

No, this is simply not the case.

Long distance heavy traffic drivers that don't stop or start in the Stockholm region already avoid Essingeleden. According to a study done by SIKA it's only about 200 vehicles per day iirc. Instead they use Riksväg 55.
So in reality, if we want to help the long distance drivers it is Riksväg 55 that needs an upgrade.

The förbifart would be used though, but not by long distance drivers but rather by Stockholmers that has settled in the new urban sprawl that the new expressway will result in.

Well, don't you think that the heavy traffic drivers WOULD use Förbifarten? It would sure save a lot of time, at least if going to the eastern parts of southern Sweden, and also down to Gothenburg.

Well, don't you think that the heavy traffic drivers WOULD use Förbifarten? It would sure save a lot of time, at least if going to the eastern parts of southern Sweden, and also down to Gothenburg.

Yes, I guess some would. But then again, would it not be better to upgrade Riksväg 55 instead? That would not result in all the bad conseqences that the förbifart will lead to. As for Essingeleden, what is really needed to fix that problem is a completion of the ring road (Österleden) and a couple of more normal roads and bridges. Highways in cities don't solve problems, they just create new ones. (a fact traffic planners are well aware of)

Rv 55 has only about 5000 vehicles per day, south of Enköping.

Actually, I don't think österleden would do much for Essingeleden. The ones that would use it are the ones going to the harbour or northern Stockholm from Nacka and Saltdjö-boo. The others will still use E4/E20, or Söderleden/Centralbron right through city.

Actually, I don't think österleden would do much for Essingeleden. The ones that would use it are the ones going to the harbour or northern Stockholm from Nacka and Saltdjö-boo. The others will still use E4/E20, or Söderleden/Centralbron right through city.

You have to remember that completing the ring road will open up a whole new dynamic in the system, but yes, as I also mentioned more roads are needed. But I am talking about roads, not hiways.

Wouldn't Österleden give unwanted construction in Djurgården and Ladugårdsgärdet? These two city districts are very valuable nature areas, and building a motorway there will for sure give more construction. So, rather more construction to the west than destroying the best nature enviroments in Stockholm.
One option could be to not have any exits and put the entire road in tunnel, so that you can only enter the road from Norra and Södra Länken, but that wouldn't help much fro traffic.
I could be wrong about the unwanted construction, but it's just a thought i had.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that Österleden is neccesary, nut so is Förbifarten, the extension of tramways and subway, and the city train tunnel under Stockholm. I aslo had an idea about a possible bus connection going round the ring road in the future, having special bus exits at every big exit. There, you would be able to connect to the "real" bus network into the city or out in the suburbs.

Rv 55 has only about 5000 vehicles per day, south of Enköping.

It would still be good to have more passing-lanes and higher speed limits.

Wouldn't Österleden give unwanted construction in Djurgården and Ladugårdsgärdet? These two city districts are very valuable nature areas, and building a motorway there will for sure give more construction. So, rather more construction to the west than destroying the best nature enviroments in Stockholm.
One option could be to not have any exits and put the entire road in tunnel, so that you can only enter the road from Norra and Södra Länken, but that wouldn't help much fro traffic.
I could be wrong about the unwanted construction, but it's just a thought i had.While a logical thought (new motorway => new construction around it and its exits), it will not happen there. Nationalstadsparken gives that whole area an immense level of protection. All plans I've seen have no exits other than the connections to Norra & Södra Länken iirc.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that Österleden is neccesary, nut so is Förbifarten, the extension of tramways and subway, and the city train tunnel under Stockholm. I aslo had an idea about a possible bus connection going round the ring road in the future, having special bus exits at every big exit. There, you would be able to connect to the "real" bus network into the city or out in the suburbs.

The bus-exits idea is already in the plans somewhat, and is expected not to really help. The buses will still be way to slow and way to many changes to get where one wants to go - especially since the new areas built around the exits and further out along the E4 and E18 will be car-based and most likely planned in ways that make any meaningful public transit unsustainable (one bus per 30 min isn't gonna get ppl out of their cars).
Förbifarten is not needed. Österleden I'm not a big fan of, but I'm ok with it.
Having a ringline for transit is a great idea tho, but it shouldn't be as a connector between buslines that then get you into the city or the suburbs, it should be as a rail line that both is a connector for the other rail lines and has stops right at the destinations (basically: Tvärbanan extended into a ring)

It would still be good to have more passing-lanes and higher speed limits.

I agree!

I thought today, Swedes are smart. They build motorways only there where AADT is high enough. But on the other hand as you said, fast and safe roads are also needed even if there is no dense traffic. I found 2+1 roads as very smart solution just for that.

I don't think 2+1 roads are safe. Being a driver myself I think I speak for a lot of drivers when I say so. The reason for them not being safe is, when the road separates from 2 lane road to 1 lane. People take the chance of overtaking cars right before the road becomes just 1 lane and increases the chances of getting stuck in the left lane or colliding with the car in the right lane. People are egoists when it comes to driving and this creates accidents. I believe it's much better to have 2+2 roads if you want to keep an high speed and an high capacity road. It's more expensive to build but it's worth the lives saved.

Yep I thought of that too. Although going from 2 to 1 lanes should go 1 car from left 1 car from right, I suppose people are egoists and don't want to brake.

Are situations with crashes like that common in Sweden?

P.S.: Trafikverket says Motorways with 110 km/h have the same fatality rate as 2+1 with 90 km/h.

Yep I thought of that too. Although going from 2 to 1 lanes should go 1 car from left 1 car from right, I suppose people are egoists and don't want to brake.

Are situations with crashes like that common in Sweden?

P.S.: Trafikverket says Motorways with 110 km/h have the same fatality rate as 2+1 with 90 km/h.

I dont't know if they're common but from experience I think it's dangerous. I've been close to having accidents when idiots overtakes me like that. I feel much safer when i drive on 2+2 roads rather than 2+1 and 1 roads.

I believe it's much better to have 2+2 roads if you want to keep an high speed and an high capacity road. It's more expensive to build but it's worth the lives saved.

You get a lot more 2+1 built for the same money as opposed to building fewer, and only marginally safer 2+2 roads. 2+2 requires widening to 16,5 m minimum.

I don't think 2+1 roads are safe. Being a driver myself I think I speak for a lot of drivers when I say so. The reason for them not being safe is, when the road separates from 2 lane road to 1 lane. People take the chance of overtaking cars right before the road becomes just 1 lane and increases the chances of getting stuck in the left lane or colliding with the car in the right lane. People are egoists when it comes to driving and this creates accidents. I believe it's much better to have 2+2 roads if you want to keep an high speed and an high capacity road. It's more expensive to build but it's worth the lives saved.

Wait, what? They're undoubtedly much safer than regular 1+1 roads without railings. Sure they's been some snug fits when people decide to overtake last minute, but you can't even compare that to when you overtake on a road without road railings.
Also keep in mind that you're a driver in a city with a number of proper motorways, so I think you're more used to collision-free infrastructure. When you live in the countryside I assure you the 2+1 roads are a major lifesaver.

Wait, what? They're definitely much safer than regular 1+1 roads without railings. Sure they's been some snug fits when people decide to overtake last minute, but you can't even compare that to when you overtake on a road without road railings.
Also keep in mind that you're a driver in a city with a number of proper motorways, so I think you're more used to collision-free infrastructure. When you live in the countryside I assure you the 2+1 roads are a major lifesaver.

That's not what i meant. I meant that 2+2 roads are the safest type of roads. But I didn't say that 1+1 roads were safer than 2+1 roads its obvious that they aren't. I do drive a lot on the countryside and I still prefer the 2+2 roads. But yes, 2+1 are better than 1+1. I just hope they decide to build 2+2 instead of 2+1 roads.

^^ Gotcha. But you can't blame me for jumping to that conclusion when you specifically wrote "I don't think 2+1 roads are safe". :)

And considering how big this country is geographically speaking I totally understand that it's not economically sustainable to build 2+2 roads, especially in parts of the country without heavy traffic and a small population density. But of course 2+2 would be better.

The road between Stockholm and Gothenburg is really bad and is currently only 1+1 on some places. A 2+2 on the whole route is needed and they are currently building it out on some places.

^^ Rv 40?

^^

No I mean the E20.

The road between Stockholm and Gothenburg is really bad and is currently only 1+1 on some places. A 2+2 on the whole route is needed and they are currently building it out on some places.

That's just E20, if you go past Jönköping following E4/40 you have only a minor section of 1+1 remaining and that is being upgraded. The only remaining bottleneck will be Jönköping-Ulricehamn which will be 2+1 with level crossings.

^^ yes but AADT is there in the bottle neck "only" 8000 - 8500 vehicles per day.

As the alliance won majority in the Stockholm city council, their election promises are now coming through. One of them is the start of the contruction of Förbifart Stockholm.

Spårväg City is also going to to be extended from Ropsten to Hornsberg but are not going to get tied together at Sergels Torg before the next election because of lack of time.

Tvärbanan is going to be extended to Kista and in the east from Sickla Udde to Slussen via Folkungagatan.

Så blir alliansens Stockholm (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/sa-blir-alliansens-stockholm-1.1174018)

The Transport Administration has decided (http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Projekt/Stockholm/Malarbanan-Tomteboda-Kallhall/Nyhetsarkiv-Malarbanan/2010-09/Korridorval-for-Malarbanan-klart/) to use the existing corridor to build two new tracks on the railway stretch between Tomteboda and Barkaby.

The Administration and the local municipality are studying ways of financing a tunnel through central Sundbyberg.

Tvärbanan is going to be extended to Kista and in the east from Sickla Udde to Slussen via Folkungagatan.
Yay Kista! :D
But having Tvärbanan run on Folkungagatan is IMO a bad idea. Tvärbanan isn't an urban tram, it's an LRT. It should avoid the streets as much as possible and Folkungagtan has quite a bit of traffic for Tvärbanan to get stuck in. I'd much prefer if they built the tunnel that was planned (Danvik-Slussen, for both Tvärbanan and Saltsjöbanan).

Yay Kista! :D
But having Tvärbanan run on Folkungagatan is IMO a bad idea. Tvärbanan isn't an urban tram, it's an LRT. It should avoid the streets as much as possible and Folkungagtan has quite a bit of traffic for Tvärbanan to get stuck in. I'd much prefer if they built the tunnel that was planned (Danvik-Slussen, for both Tvärbanan and Saltsjöbanan).

As you live in Kista, is there any use of a tram from Kista to Sundbyberg via Rissne? The metro could serve it?

Sorry, if this is not a serious information, but i accidently found this short article about possible alternatives to Förbifart Stockholm: http://www.alternativstad.nu/Dokument/alternativ-till-cederschiold.html

I suppose, it is an old article or someone's 'dreams', but the map of tunnelbana routes looks interesting, though.

Sorry, if this is not a serious information, but i accidently found this short article about possible alternatives to Förbifart Stockholm: http://www.alternativstad.nu/Dokument/alternativ-till-cederschiold.html

I suppose, it is an old article or someone's 'dreams', but the map of tunnelbana routes looks interesting, though.

That's a serious organization which you should contact if you need more information about Förbifart Stockholm.

As you live in Kista, is there any use of a tram from Kista to Sundbyberg via Rissne? The metro could serve it?
Not only do I live in Kista, I work in Sundbyberg! :D
So I would have a great deal of use from such a line ;) Not sure what you mean by "the metro could serve it"? Tvärbanan and Tbanan can't and shouldn't mix.
As for the Kista-VästraUrsvik-Rissne section of the KistaTvärbana I think it'll get a great deal of use since the connections there today are abysmal and Ursvik is expanding alot. Sadly, the buses Kista-Rinkeby will probably have to stay almost as frequent as today since the Tvärbanan stop is way too far from almost all of Rinkeby.

It would still be good to have more passing-lanes and higher speed limits.

In dense urban areas that is just a pipe-dream.

It works to some extent between cities, but as soon as the higway get near enough to a big city the idea of a "fast highway" becomes impossible. As I have said several times earlier in this thread (although some readers tend to ignore this fact...) you cannot solve congestion problems in big cities with new highways. It simply cannot be done. Traffic planners are well aware of this, and these are facts that are very cleary displayed in the reports that Trafikverket has done about förbifart Stockholm. As I have also said before, the building of the förbifart will infact make the situation on Essingeleden worse. This according to Trafikverkets own reports. So why should we build it? Le'ts spend those 30-40 billion on something that will actually work instead.

The proponents of the road can talk until their faces turns blue, but the undisputable facts are still there.

It is true that you will give more space to cars if you build a new road. But that space will be taken up by new traffic, which in turn makes the roads around the new highway even more congested.

http://domz60.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/huge-highway-full-of-cars.jpg
"Let's build a couple more lanes! That will *surely* solve our congestion problems!"

As the alliance won majority in the Stockholm city council, their election promises are now coming through. One of them is the start of the contruction of Förbifart Stockholm.

Spårväg City is also going to to be extended from Ropsten to Hornsberg but are not going to get tied together at Sergels Torg before the next election because of lack of time.

Tvärbanan is going to be extended to Kista and in the east from Sickla Udde to Slussen via Folkungagatan.

Så blir alliansens Stockholm (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/sa-blir-alliansens-stockholm-1.1174018)

This article is very odd! There are several personal opinions from the journalist shining through:


"Den gamla moderatplanen att bygga igen varenda plätt har skrotats".
It has never been a plan from the moderates, nor any other party, to build everywhere.

"Slussen ska börja byggas om under mandatperioden. Stadsbyggnadskontoret skruvar på det förslag stockholmarna förkastade i våras."

Did the population reject the proposal? Was it not rather a small but loud group of concrete lovers that was heard a lot?

My remark was about passinglanes and speedlimits on the Rv55 who is now a decent bypassroute for trafic who doesn't want to go trough Stockholm - but could be upgraded :)

That's a serious organization which you should contact if you need more information about Förbifart Stockholm.

Sorry, i didn't know that. :) Anyway, i thought that the information i posted earlier would be interesting. Actually, i am interested in the plans of expanding Stockholm's metro, however there is not much information about these plans available yet.

My remark was about passinglanes and speedlimits on the Rv55 who is now a decent bypassroute for trafic who doesn't want to go trough Stockholm - but could be upgraded :)

Oh! Sorry about that. http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/blush-smiley.png

In that case I do agree with you. RV55 should be upgraded.

^^

No I mean the E20.

lol, who takes E20 between Stockholm and Gothenburg? :lol:

E4, Förbifart Stockholm


Here some renders on the planned bypass motorway called Förbifart Stockholm if you haven't seen them before:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7853/fsvagstrackning090902ho.jpg


Trafikplats Häggvik

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3016/83566104.png


Trafikplats Akalla

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7613/17631396.png


Trafikplats Vinsta

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/198/49149015.png

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6644/47918177.png


Trafikplats Kungens kurva

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9263/31321734.png


More information

E4, Förbifart Stockholm (http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Projekt/Stockholm/Forbifart-stockholm/)

E4, Förbifart Stockholm
Here some renders on the planned bypass motorway called Förbifart Stockholm if you haven't seen them before:

Trafikplats Häggvik

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3016/83566104.png


Trafikplats Akalla

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7613/17631396.png


Trafikplats Vinsta

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/198/49149015.png

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6644/47918177.png


Trafikplats Kungens kurva

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9263/31321734.png


More information

E4, Förbifart Stockholm (http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Projekt/Stockholm/Forbifart-stockholm/)


YIKES!
What an eyesore :( :ohno:

Sorry, i didn't know that. :) Anyway, i thought that the information i posted earlier would be interesting. Actually, i am interested in the plans of expanding Stockholm's metro, however there is not much information about these plans available yet.

Why are you saying sorry? :)

You haven't done anything bad so relax.

Oh, plans as in official plans? :lol: Good luck, the Stockholm underground won't be expanded in many years. It's Stockholm, remember? The drawings made by Alternativ Stad are more of "wishes" rather than something official.

If you like mass transit I would rather recommend you to take a look at the official plans for the expansion of Stockholm's tram and LRT network.

http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Sparvag-City/

http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Tvarbanan/

http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Tvarbanan/Solnagrenen/

http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Tvarbanan/Kistagrenen/

http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Saltsjobanan-och-Tvarbana-Ost/

http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Lidingobanan/

Jag fick ont i min planerarmage av de där bilderna. Fy f-n.

YIKES!
What an eyesore :( :ohno:

Agreed, they look absolutely vile. I can't believe they are actually going to build this...

Ny film om citybanans byggnation under perioden juli-september:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EisCrLRJpQQ

Oh, plans as in official plans? :lol: Good luck, the Stockholm underground won't be expanded in many years. It's Stockholm, remember? The drawings made by Alternativ Stad are more of "wishes" rather than something official.

Stockholm has a very extensive underground system comparatively to its size. What's needed now are trams and LRT's to fill the gap between buses and underground. The underground MUST get expanded in the future, but right now there isn't a rush for expanding it.

Stockholm has a very extensive underground system comparatively to its size. What's needed now are trams and LRT's to fill the gap between buses and underground. The underground MUST get expanded in the future, but right now there isn't a rush for expanding it.

Says who?

Agreed, they look absolutely vile. I can't believe they are actually going to build this...

We know.

Spårväg City

Tram Line City

Spårväg City – Designkoncept för spårvagnshållplatser, Stockholm
VAD: kollektivtrafik, parallellt uppdrag, spårväg,
VAR: Från Ropsten till Kungsholmen, Stockholm
NÄR: 2010

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3083/48645333.jpg

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1047/56101137.jpg

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7523/56746553.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1179/86541680.jpg

Parallellskiss med uppgiften att formge ett designkoncept anpassningsbart till hållplatserna längs den nya spårvägssträckningen, Ropsten till Västra Kungsholmen. Projektet utfördes i samarbete med Jonas Bohlin Arkitektkontor för Tyréns i samarbete med SL.

Ur utvärderingen:

”Förslaget tar med lätthet och elegans hand om de fysiska och praktiska grundkrav som följer med uppgiften. Förslaget har en mänsklig dimension och skala där hänsynen till de äldre och unga är sympatisk och även överensstämmer med en SL-syn som säger att resandet skall vara till för alla. Förslaget har ett klassiskt grundformspråk men får ändå, med hjälp av detaljerna i formspråket, en egen karaktär. Lättheten i uttrycket gör att förslaget väl kan passa in i de olika stadsrum som spårvägen kommer att passera igenom – den kanske största utmaningen i uppgiften.”

”Vi tror på att gå vidare med förslaget ”Paviljong” av Jonas Bohlin arkitektkontor AB & Rosenbergs arkitekter AB, då vi ser detta som det förslag som bäst klarar av de olika stadsmiljöerna som spårvägen passerar igenom.”

http://www.rosenbergs.se/projektarkiv/sparvag-city-designkoncept-for-sparvagnshallplatser-stockholm/

Jag gillar den här designen men så här ser ju inte hållplatserna ut, de är betydligt tråkigare... Är detta för framtida hållplatser?

It might be? :dunno: But at least it got updated today under 'Aktuellt' for October on the Rosenberg site.

More pictures under Spårväg City:
http://www.rosenbergs.se/

Says who?

Trafiklandstingsrådet Christer G Wennerholm:

Jag vill bygga ut tunnelbanan. Däremot finns det många andra satsningar på ny infrastruktur som går före. Det har alla partier varit överens om. Det gäller en tunnel för pendeltåg under Stockholm, tvärbanorna till Solna, Kista och Nacka är några exempel på det som måste göras först. Det finns många som föreslår massa satsningar, men de saknas pengar. Under socialdemokraternas 12 år i regeringen byggdes inte en enda meter nya spår för SL.

Källa:

Chatta med trafiklandstingsrådet Christer G Wennerholm (http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/chatta-med-trafiklandstingsradet-christer-g-wennerholm_4323419.svd)

Bygget av dubbelspår mellan Södertälje hamn och Södertälje central dragit igång.

Nu har bygget av dubbelspår mellan Södertälje hamn och Södertälje central dragit igång.

Sträckan som är en av dom mest trafikerade och långsammaste i landet beräknas vara klar i början av år 2014.

Från och med juni nästa år kommer all tågtrafik mellan stationerna att tillfälligt ersättas med bussar.

http://svt.se/2.33538/1.2169755/nu_byggs_dubbelspar_i_sodertalje?lid=puff_2169755&lpos=rubrik

Stockholm underground turn 60 today! :banana2: :cheers:

A few years untill retirement then! ;) J/K

I dag fyller tuben 60 bast. ”Södra tunnelbanan” invigdes den 1 oktober 1950 och gick mellan Hökarängen och Slussen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/tunnelbanan-firar-fodelsedag-1.1180774

:cheers2:

Jakobsbergs bussterminal
Järfälla


Construction update
by VECTROTALENZIS

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/458/dsc02810q.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8422/dsc02811k.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4928/dsc02812tt.jpg


Renders
by Ahlqvist & Almqvist Arkitekter AB

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7379/34483259.png

http://www.strategia.se/referenser/greybox/static_files/jakobsbergsbussterminal3_large.jpg

http://www.strategia.se/referenser/greybox/static_files/jakobsbergsbussterminal1_large.jpg

http://www.strategia.se/referenser/greybox/static_files/jakobsbergsbussterminal2_large.jpg

http://www.jarfalla.se/upload/Nyheter/bussterminal%20jakobsberg3.jpg

http://www.strategia.se/referenser/greybox/static_files/jakobsbergsbussterminal4_large.jpg


More information

Järfälla kommun (http://www.jarfalla.se/templates/News____32033.aspx)

SL (http://sl.se/sv/Om-SL/SL-planerar-och-bygger/Jakobsbergs-bussterminal/)

Nu har trafikverket beslutat att Mälarbanans förlängning ska gå genom Sundbyberg och inte genom Kista, som var det andra tänkbara alternativet.

http://arkiv.mitti.se/erez4/online/mitti/sundbyberg.html

http://arkiv.mitti.se/erez4/online/mitti/sundbyberg.html

Yeah...
(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64053543&postcount=153)

Yeah...
(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64053543&postcount=153)

^^

You need to contact MittiSundbyberg if upset! :lol:

^^

What's wrong? Isn't it good news? :)

^^

What's wrong? Isn't it good news? :)

It is very good news! :)

Now the planning for overdecking and building apartments there can be started.
Problem was that Mitt i Sundbyberg presented it as news in the net paper out today, while C30 had posted it earlier! :) :runaway:

But it was news for me and I suppose that it was for others too that hadn't read the earlier post! ;)

I think this is a great project! :)

150 meters of the new citytram that was inaugurated in august is going to be rebuilt.

http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/10/8/216801/MORGONTVAADyrt-sparvagsbygge-maste-rivas-upp/ (http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/10/8/216801/MORGONTVAADyrt-sparvagsbygge-maste-rivas-upp/)

150 meters of the new citytram that was inaugurated in august is going to be rebuilt.

http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/10/8/216801/MORGONTVAADyrt-sparvagsbygge-maste-rivas-upp/ (http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/10/8/216801/MORGONTVAADyrt-sparvagsbygge-maste-rivas-upp/)

Wow, that's unbelievable. Does everyone else agree with the view that they rushed to open the tramline in time for the election to make the governing party look good?

^Yes, they rushed it. However, if they hadn't the whole project would probably have been scrapped for another 20 years.
As for the "news" that part of the line needs to be re-done since the underlaying concrete has to be re-done. Just like the concrete in at SergelsTorg needs to be re-done, which is why the tram line doesn't extend all the way to Centralen yet.

^Yes, they rushed it. However, if they hadn't the whole project would probably have been scrapped for another 20 years.
As for the "news" that part of the line needs to be re-done since the underlaying concrete has to be re-done. Just like the concrete in at SergelsTorg needs to be re-done, which is why the tram line doesn't extend all the way to Centralen yet.

This has been kown right from the start of the project that some of the track is only temporary. The sad part is that its more or less a war situation between trafikkontoret whos responsible for replacing the concrete deck and landstinget whos responsible for building the tram. since no desicion actually has been taken to repair the deck and no money exists its very unlikely that anything will happen to the existing tracks for years...

fail

Her is an update on Tvärbana Norr.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2650/dsc02844z.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2633/dsc02846e.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4377/dsc02847c.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1365/dsc02848t.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7167/dsc02849x.jpg

^Yes, they rushed it. However, if they hadn't the whole project would probably have been scrapped for another 20 years.
As for the "news" that part of the line needs to be re-done since the underlaying concrete has to be re-done. Just like the concrete in at SergelsTorg needs to be re-done, which is why the tram line doesn't extend all the way to Centralen yet.

Since the election promises show expansion of Spårvag City on the card, does that mean that this work will be done, or like suggested by 11433, will the work continue to be put off again and again?

Thanks for updating VECTROTALENZIS! You are doing a great job! :)

Posted this in the wrong thread at first sorry! But here it is:

Citybanan on Odenplan will be open for visitors tomorrow between 10.00 and 15.00!

Undrar du hur det går till när man bygger en sex kilometer lång pendeltågstunnel under Stockholm och en station under Odenplan? Då är det här något för dig! Den 10 oktober klockan 10.00-15.00 öppnar Citybanan grindarna till arbetsplatsen på Odenplan för alla nyfikna barn och vuxna.

http://www.stockholm.se/-/Nyheter/Trafik--Stadsmiljo/Valkommen-ner-i-gropen---besok-Citybanan/

A few yimbys will visit Odenplan tomorrow at ten. We'll later move on to walk around Solna. Feel free to join! :)

A few yimbys will visit Odenplan tomorrow at ten. We'll later move on to walk around Solna. Feel free to join! :)

If it's possible take some photos and post! ;)

Inbjudan till samråd Förstudie Spårväg syd

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/839/sydw.jpg

Today:

Flemingsberg: Tisdag den 19 oktober kl. 19-21, Södertörns högskola, Alfred Nobels allé 7,
Entré Aula, Flemingsberg

But also:

Skärholmen: Torsdag den 21 oktober kl. 18.30-20.30, Medborgarkontoret, Bodholmsplan 2

Älvsjö: Tisdag den 26 oktober kl. 18.30-20.30, Johan Skytteskolan, Svartlösavägen 111, Älvsjö. Ingång C1

More tram maps:

http://www.huddinge.se/upload/Bygga&Bo/planering_och_byggande/FÖP%20Kungenskurva/Samråd%20Spårväg%20Syd_6_sid.pdf

^^Without it extending to skarpnäck, i dont see why the city should waste money on such a project when there are more important infrastructure investments to do, like t-bana to norra station and t-bana to nacka!

^^Without it extending to skarpnäck, i dont see why the city should waste money on such a project when there are more important infrastructure investments to do, like t-bana to norra station and t-bana to nacka!

Har du vart i söderort över huvud taget. Infrastrukturen är grovt eftersatt, detta borde byggts innan tvärbana norr. Men av någon anledning skall norrort alltid prioriteras högst.

Har du vart i söderort över huvud taget. Infrastrukturen är grovt eftersatt, detta borde byggts innan tvärbana norr. Men av någon anledning skall norrort alltid prioriteras högst.

Ja, jag har varit där ett flertal ggr. Jag tycker att infrastrukturen funkar rätt bra. I söderort har man 4 t-bane linjer plus pendeln. Har du varit i Nacka/Värmdö? I Nacka/Värmdö finns inget annat än buss trots att bor över 100 000 personer där. Folk trängs i bussarna och dom är nästan alltid försenade pga överbelastning. Jag ser att detta ska vara mer prioriterat än kungens kurva express.

Today you have to travel via city center when travelling across the suburbs..

Spårväg Syd binds together the red-line and the pendeltåg and this will integrate the differents areas affected.

But I agree, a subway to Nacka is needed, but it looks like an extension of the subway is going to occur after 2020...

Today you have to travel via city center when travelling across the suburbs..

Spårväg Syd binds together the red-line and the pendeltåg and this will integrate the differents areas affected.

But I agree, a subway to Nacka is needed, but it looks like an extension of the subway is going to occur after 2020...

Yeah, i know its a hassle. Spårväg syd is a good way to bind the southern suburbs together. However my point is that some kind of rail infrastructure is needed for nacka/värmdö. I think that kind of investment should be prioritized before spårväg syd. I believe people will have more benefit of a subway to nacka than spårväg syd.

Today you have to travel via city center when travelling across the suburbs..

Spårväg Syd binds together the red-line and the pendeltåg and this will integrate the differents areas affected.

But I agree, a subway to Nacka is needed, but it looks like an extension of the subway is going to occur after 2020...

Nacka is growing fast, so subway is needed sooner or later, I am thinking about later, From Nacka to Värmdö I am still not convinced this will pay off, until 2020-2030.

Citybanan on Odenplan will be open for visitors tomorrow between 10.00 and 15.00!
http://www.stockholm.se/-/Nyheter/Trafik--Stadsmiljo/Valkommen-ner-i-gropen---besok-Citybanan/

Short about how it was:

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Tidsfråga innan ett tåg tippar på Skanstullsbron

Allvarliga olyckor vid tunnelbanans depåhallar anmäls inte till Arbetsmiljöverket. Nu kan TV4Nyheterna Stockholm avslöja att det finns ytterligare säkerhetsbrister hos det ansvariga företaget TBT som sköter underhållet av tunnelbanevagnarna

http://www.nyhetskanalen.se/1.1866985/2010/10/19/tidsfraga_innan_ett_tag_tippar_pa_skanstullsbron

Construction of a bridge over the railway between Arenastaden and Kolonnvägen will start now in october, perhaps it has started even?

At a later stage the new bridge will get connected to the new Solna station.

I suppose it is this bridge?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1474/solna0.jpg

More renders:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=54538659&postcount=7292

Peab bygger bro över järnvägen till Arenastaden i Solna
Peab har fått uppdraget att bygga en gångbro över järnvägen mellan Arenastaden och Kolonnvägen i Solna. Beställare är Råsta Projektutveckling AB och kontraktsumman uppgår till 77 Mkr.

Gångbron kommer i ett senare skede att anslutas till en ny nordlig anslutning för Solna station. Arbetet inleds i oktober 2010 och beräknas vara färdigt i juni 2012.

http://www.peab.se/Om-Peab/Press-och-media/Pressmeddelanden/Pressrel/?pid=518893

kv Magneten
Ulvsunda

Spårvagnsdepå


De starka protesterna från de boende hjälpte inte. Igår kväll beslutade stadsbyggnadsnämnden att bygga en spårvagnsdepå i Ulvsunda i västra Stockholm.
Före beslutet lämnades en protestlista med 1500 underskrifter till politikerna. Depån byggs eftersom tvärnbanan ska förlängas

http://svt.se/2.33538/1.2204296/sparvagnsdepa_byggs_trots_protester?lid=puff_2204296&lpos=rubrik

Earlier post with renders
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=53601119&postcount=6989

Construction of a bridge over the railway between Arenastaden and Kolonnvägen will start now in october, perhaps it has started even?

At a later stage the new bridge will get connected to the new Solna station.

I suppose it is this bridge?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1474/solna0.jpg

More renders:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=54538659&postcount=7292



http://www.peab.se/Om-Peab/Press-och-media/Pressmeddelanden/Pressrel/?pid=518893

This is a nice project. Thank you for the information. :)

Has anyone seen if contruction acctually has started?

Guys, i would like to ask you whether there is any photo gallery of pictures with the buses that are currently in use in the main cities of Sweden?
There is a new thread in the lithuanian version of this forum about the buses in different countries and i would like to make a short presnetation of the ones that are being used in Sweden, however it is uqite hard to find any gallery of pictures with short presentations.

Delete: double post.

Guys, i would like to ask you whether there is any photo gallery of pictures with the buses that are currently in use in the main cities of Sweden?
There is a new thread in the lithuanian version of this forum about the buses in different countries and i would like to make a short presnetation of the ones that are being used in Sweden, however it is uqite hard to find any gallery of pictures with short presentations.

Here are some examples:

Upplands Lokaltrafik (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upplands_Lokaltrafik)

Jönköpings länstrafik (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6nk%C3%B6pings_l%C3%A4nstrafik)

Skånetrafiken (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A5netrafiken)

Busstrafik i Stockholms län (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busstrafik_i_Stockholms_l%C3%A4n)

Kollektivtrafik i Sverige (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollektivtrafik_i_Sverige)

Here are some examples:

Upplands Lokaltrafik (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upplands_Lokaltrafik)

Jönköpings länstrafik (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6nk%C3%B6pings_l%C3%A4nstrafik)

Skånetrafiken (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A5netrafiken)

Busstrafik i Stockholms län (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busstrafik_i_Stockholms_l%C3%A4n)

Kollektivtrafik i Sverige (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollektivtrafik_i_Sverige)

Thank you! Even though there aren't many pictures, it will be easire to explain, how the system works. By the way, i always present Scandinavia and especially Sweden as a good exmple of the good transport management. ;)

Thank you! Even though there aren't many pictures, it will be easire to explain, how the system works. By the way, i always present Scandinavia and especially Sweden as a good exmple of the good transport management. ;)

Yep, the system with one traffic monopoly in each county really is quite good, the biggest fault being the inconveniences when crossing a county border. And, as far as I know, the government is trying to fix that right now.

Här är en artikel om att Spårväg Citys dragning till Ropsten blir svårt och dyr.

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.1195212.1287992310!images/2779603573.jpg

Spårvägskostnader skenar iväg (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/sparvagskostnader-skenar-ivag-1.1195153)

Här är en artikel om att Spårväg Citys dragning till Ropsten blir svårt och dyr.

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.1195212.1287992310!images/2779603573.jpg

Spårvägskostnader skenar iväg (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/sparvagskostnader-skenar-ivag-1.1195153)

Nothing wrong with the tramway itself, but it is IMO stupid to

a)have a tram depot on Lidingö for trams that will eventually go to Kungsholmen.

b)build a line to Ropsten when Värtahamnen's street grid hasn't been fully decided on yet. And Lidingö inhabitants will probably continue to use the subway.

Nothing wrong with the tramway itself, but it is IMO stupid to

a)have a tram depot on Lidingö for trams that will eventually go to Kungsholmen.

b)build a line to Ropsten when Värtahamnen's street grid hasn't been fully decided on yet. And Lidingö inhabitants will probably continue to use the subway.

Agree, I don`t see why the build a tram-line, when the don`t know how the street grid will look like. It will only be ha lot of hassle for travellers until its done completely. Just delay start until the know for sure.^^

They could instead built out the tram easily to Hornsbergs Strand first or built out Tvärbanan in the meanwhile...

They could instead built out the tram easily to Hornsbergs Strand first or built out Tvärbanan in the meanwhile...

That`s a lot better!

Ingen bergtunnel på södra Lidingö

Moderaterna, Folkpartiet och Kristdemokraterna har beslutat att inte gå vidare med inriktningsbeslutet om en ny väglösning mellan Skärsätra och Högberga. Detaljprojekteringen av bergtunnelalternativet som beräknades ta minst ett år kommer därför inte att genomföras.

http://www.lidingo.se/nyheterstartsida/nyheterstartsida/ingenbergtunnelpasodralidingo.5.6dd3b36c12bac3105b380004757.html

Just another perspective of the Citybanan construction. Not as flashy as the video above though, just a vid of someone who turned up! :)

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^^

Thanks for posting Svartmetall! I like seeing videos like this, I was a bit dissapointed that no one updated about the the last tour there!

"Ny sträcka byggs i onödan" (http://www.nyhetskanalen.se/1.1879310/2010/10/27/ny_stracka_byggs_i_onodan)

SL vill bygga vidare Spårväg city till kungsholmen, trots att det inte finns något behov för en sådan spårväg där enligt en undersökning från Svenska dagbladet.

En konsultrapport som tidningen har läst visar att max 400 personer under rusningstrafik kommer att resa med spårvägen från Kungsholmen mot centralen. Men trots det vill SL fortsätta bygget som kommer kosta miljarder.

"Ny sträcka byggs i onödan" (http://www.nyhetskanalen.se/1.1879310/2010/10/27/ny_stracka_byggs_i_onodan)
This is EXACTLY what they said about Tvärbanan in the 90's. We all know how that turned out.

This is EXACTLY what they said about Tvärbanan in the 90's. We all know how that turned out.

Maybe there is no need now, but we don't now later, it is also hard to tell. And we don`t know if there will be a new pattern in how people travel.

DN is dead against the 7 to Ropsten, SvD against it to Kungsholmen... sad.

There investments aren't cheap, no, but the long-term societal dividens are much larger. The numbers used for the Kungsholmen-bashing article seems very, very flawed to me. I wouldn't trust that passenger prediction at all (plenty of room for mistakes, all depending on what the consulting firm sensed the politicians wanted. seems they tried to make both the pro- and anti-tram crowds happy).

Also, S keeps intentionally lying about the tram lines in the city. So effing annoying, I know many sossar who are VERY much in favour of trams in the city, why can't the party officials get that buses aren't the future anymore? we tried that and it failed. The Kungsholmen stretch won't cost billions as Valeskog claims, a few hundred million is the likely figure in the end.

Sicklaön 13:3 m fl, ny förbindelse mellan Kvarnholmen och Nacka Centrum

At exhibition between october 26th - november 29th, 2010.

At exhibition for the second time.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9797/broek.jpg

http://www.nacka.se/web/bo_bygga/planering/detaljplanering/pagaende/sickla/aktiva_ny/Sidor/bro.aspx

Some pictures from todays study visit at Citybanan, Södermälarstrand.
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5346/dsc0375w.jpg

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8823/dsc0377y.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2120/dsc0381q.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5338/dsc0385s.jpg

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5825/dsc0391ux.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6752/dsc0398g.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4295/dsc0400i.jpg

Here is an interesting mass transit map a forumer at Yimby did some time ago.

Note that many of the new lines are fictional and the new lines that are under construction or is planned have wrong stations and destinations.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1333/spartrafik.jpg

Here is an interesting mass transit map a forumer at Yimby did some time ago.

Note that many of the new lines are fictional and the new lines that are under construction or is planned have wrong stations and destinations.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1333/spartrafik.jpg

I like it, especially subway to Tyresö, I like this also but its only for the subway.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3772/slmapmy1.jpg

Here is an interesting mass transit map a forumer at Yimby did some time ago.

Note that many of the new lines are fictional and the new lines that are under construction or is planned have wrong stations and destinations.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1333/spartrafik.jpg

I like the level of ambition, but I see alot of things I'd do very differently. I guess I'll have to do a new map of my own ideas soon, last time I did that was about 3 years ago.

Tunnelbygge i Traneberg

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26 oktober, 2010

Förlängningen av Tvärbanan, från Alvik till Solna, går genom berg, över vatten och på mark i tre kommuner. Över 200 personer arbetar med utbyggnaden och arbetet pågår på flera platser samtidigt, i Sundbyberg, Ulvsunda, Traneberg och Solna. Från Alvik ska Tvärbanan fortsätta i en 800 meter lång tunnel under Traneberg. Sprängningarna, som görs från Margretelundshållet, startade i början av året och nu når tunneln mer än 300 meter in i berget. Ytterligare 300 meter återstår att spränga, arbetstakten är ungefär 10 till 15 meter tunnel i veckan. Våren 2011 beräknas arbetet vara klart. Hittills har runt 24 000 kubikmeter berg transporterats till en kross i Solna för att återanvändas i spårutbyggnaden.

Filmen gjordes i samband med att det var öppet hus i arbetsområdet runt tunneln, lördagen den 16 oktober.

Gillar du maskiner, är detta en film för dig!

Here is a map over the planned expansions to 2020 found on SL.

http://sl.se/PageFiles/5167/karta_utbyggnader.jpg

^^ By 2020? Waaaaaay too optimistic...

Sorry, I thought all those lines were rail lines. I still think that it will be very difficult to achieve.

There isn't anything new here really, some of the extensions are already under construction or in the planning stage. Which extensions are not realistic to be built to you by 2020?

Here is an interesting newsreport about that the idea for having railcars (Personal rapid transit) in Stockholm.

Stockholm kan få spårbilar (http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/nyheterna_stockholm?title=stockholm_kan_fa_sparbilar&videoid=1115870)

I actually don't like PRT as a concept. I think it's wasteful and inefficient and also expensive compared to the benefits you can get with traditional public transportation.

I actually don't like PRT as a concept. I think it's wasteful and inefficient and also expensive compared to the benefits you can get with traditional public transportation.

Couldn't agree more. PRT is a waste of money. All the proposed benefits, without the huge investments better spent on real transit, will come from electric cars with GPS and (semi)automatic steering.

”Visst ska Förbifarten ha kollektivtrafik”

Vi har varit tydliga med att Förbifart Stockholm ska trafikeras av både bilar och kollektivtrafik, medan Carin Jämtin (S) för bara några veckor sedan var beredd att offra Förbifarten för att hålla sams med MP och V, skriver borgarråden Sten Nordin och Ulla Hamilton (M) i en replik.

http://www.dn.se/debatt/stockholmsdebatt/visst-ska-forbifarten-ha-kollektivtrafik-1.1203123

hahahahahahahaha

bussar är kollektivtrafik. Det är bussar som avses. Bussar som kommer fastna i samma köer som bilarna (finns inga planer på bussfiler i tunnlarna). Bussar som kommer vara utropas som en gigantisk vinst för miljön av beslutsfattarna om åtminstånne hundra pers åker med dom per dag.

I spoke with a person today who told me that the planing for Kristinebergsmotet will be moving forward quite soon, nothing has happened with it at the Sbk site since 2007.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____2533.aspx#bookmarkB12

Couldn't agree more. PRT is a waste of money. All the proposed benefits, without the huge investments better spent on real transit, will come from electric cars with GPS and (semi)automatic steering.

+1 on that...

Här är lite intressant information jag tog från SL's utbyggnadsplan fram till 2020.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9838/63882397.png

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1420/40982966.png

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8247/19987252.png
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http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8749/64368136.png

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5527/89039854.png
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Planer efter 2020

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4702/51400049.png

Hm... Looks like the Tunnelbana isn't going to be extended in the near future unfortunately. Why are they so insistent on expanding the tram network instead of the subway?

Hm... Looks like the Tunnelbana isn't going to be extended in the near future unfortunately. Why are they so insistent on expanding the tram network instead of the subway?

De statliga planerna och Stockholmöverenskommelsen är alla de andra planerna i Stockholms kollektivtrafik så som tvärbanan, citybanan, roslagsbanan, mälarbanan etc. De är mycket billigare än en utbyggnad av tunnelbanan och minskar användandet av tunnelbanan. Här är en tabell över dagens användning i procent förhållandevis till kapaciteten och framtida användning.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4003/30385921.png

Bromma Airport can be expanded in the future due to increased passengers.

Brommaflyg växer så det knakar
Kan tvingas bygga ut (http://mobil.sr.se/site/index.aspx?artikel=4162288)

På Bromma flygplats vill man bygga ut för att slå passagerarrekord.
Mer än två miljoner passagerare kommer i år att passera Bromma flygplats och det är siffror som ligger i närheten av toppåren på 80-talet då Bromma var ett nav i den svenska inrikestrafiken.
Flyplatsen spår även fortsatt hög tillväxt och för att klara det måste det byggas nytt, säger Kjell Åke Vestin, chef på Bromma:
- Det innebär att kostymen börjar bli lite för liten. Vi behöver en större kostym för att hantera den tillväxten. säger Kjell-Åke Westin, flygplatschef för Stockholm-Bromma Airport.

The last stretch on Rv73 to Nynäshamn to be opened December 4th (http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Projekt/Stockholm/Vag-73-Algviken---Fors/Nyheter/2010-09/Ny-broschyr-om-vag-73/), the road will be completed next summer.

I spoke with a person today who told me that the planing for Kristinebergsmotet will be moving forward quite soon, nothing has happened with it at the Sbk site since 2007.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____2533.aspx#bookmarkB12

And so it did!

It has now moved up to the exhibition stage after 3 years of waiting!

No files uploaded with the updated status yet, but keep an eye on this, it should be uploaded too!

Bromma Airport can be expanded in the future due to increased passengers.

Brommaflyg växer så det knakar
Kan tvingas bygga ut (http://mobil.sr.se/site/index.aspx?artikel=4162288)

A much better idea is to build real HSR in (southern) Sweden. Would kill off most of Bromma's traffic iirc.


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In other news: Rail is now being laid in Sundbyberg for Tvärbanan. Saw some on my lunch-break (before the snow had gotten too bad).