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Citylover
July 23rd, 2004, 08:23 PM
Developers see lofty goals fulfilled
By Charlene Prost
Of the Post-Dispatch
07/23/2004
They are taking on long-neglected downtown properties and using tax credits and other assistance to make the numbers work.




Tracy Varley grew up in Sunset Hills, and she's lived in an apartment in University City for the last 10 years. But when the time came to own the place she calls home, she bought a condo in downtown St. Louis.

"I looked in the county, but what I wanted didn't exist," said Varley, 35, who'll move to the Lofts at 2020 Washington, one of Pyramid Construction Inc.'s renovation projects.

"I've got a huge space, no walls, 14-foot ceilings. I've got windows ... nine to 10 feet high with fantastic views and a lot of natural light. I've got parking in the building," she said. "And I'm meeting people who really make you feel part of the pioneering community downtown."

Varley, who works downtown and is co-director at Mad Art Gallery in Soulard, is typical of a growing trend. And Pyramid is banking on it to continue.

With the Lofts at 2020 Washington - the old Sporting News building - and the Elder Shirt Lofts finished and nearly filled, Pyramid is renovating two more buildings, including the Paul Brown.

Next month, Pyramid will start work on the Bankers Lofts. Later, it will move construction crews into four other buildings, including the Arcade/Wright. All will wind up with some housing.

Taken together, what's finished, under way and about to begin adds up to 464 apartments and condos and an investment of more than $120 million. That's in a downtown where some 1,400 apartments and condos have been started in recent years; another 1,000 or so are on the drawing boards.

John Steffen, Pyramid's president, said the market can handle that many units and more.

"We're getting a wonderful array of demographics, from empty-nesters to young professionals and students," he said.



Varley is typical of another trend as well, said Matt O'Leary, Pyramid's vice president for commercial development. "About 90 percent are moving in from the suburbs, mainly St. Louis County," he said.

Like other developers at work downtown, Pyramid is taking on long-neglected buildings and using historic tax credits and other public assistance to make the numbers work. They also try to keep the historic character of the buildings.

Take the Paul Brown, for example, built as an office building in 1925 and 1926 and designed by noted architect Preston J. Bradshaw with an ornate, two-story barrel-vaulted lobby.

"It's still in good shape," O'Leary said, "so we're keeping the ornate plaster ceiling, marble floor and marble wainscoting, brass elevator doors. Residents will use the lobby ... and we'll put retail in the storefronts."

As part of the $53 million project, they're restoring marble floors and molding in corridors upstairs as well as wood doors and frames left from the building's office days. Some will be covered with drywall inside the apartments when they don't fit the newer layouts.

"But when you walk down the hall," O'Leary said, "it will still look like an office building from the 1920s."

The 222 apartments will be a mix of modern and old features. "We'll keep the original hardwood floors," O'Leary said, "and the windows are amazing. Even small bedroom units will have six windows and fabulous views."

The monthly rents range from about $600 for 600 square feet to $1,600 for 1,742 square feet. The building will have about 130 parking spaces inside.

At Bankers Lofts, Pyramid is spending $23 million to revive a building vacant since 1989, when the former Boatmen's Bank closed it. Another bank had remodeled the 112-year-old building in the 1930s, adding a banking hall inside.

O'Leary said the banking hall, its vaults and teller windows will be recycled into retail space.

On the upper levels, 69 condos will have original tongue-and-groove wood ceilings, timber beams and exposed brick walls.

"They'll have ceiling heights of mostly 11 feet, except on the second floor, where they'll be 15 feet," O'Leary said. "And they have really enormous windows - eight-feet-tall throughout except on the second floor, where they're about 10 feet."

Sale prices there run from about $150,000 for 1,100 square feet to $500,000 or more for 3,000-square-foot, multi-level units at the top with rooftop decks. About 100 parking spaces will be inside the building.

Pyramid's most challenging redevelopment project, the Arcade/Wright with a two-level, Gothic-style shopping arcade inside, won't get under way until maybe next year.

Steffen said it likely will be a mix of high-end condos, offices, a hotel and retail.
Reporter Charlene Prost
E-mail: cprost@post-dispatch.com
Phone: 314-340-8140

2020 Lofts
http://www.2020washington.com/images/progress/2004-01-23/images/north%20elevation.jpg

Railway Lofts
http://stlcin.missouri.org/images/devprojects/Railway.jpg

Elder Shirt Lofts
http://stlouis.missouri.org/development/residential/images/Loudext1335.jpg

1015 Washington
http://builtstlouis.net/washington/images/trendmasters-overall.jpg

Curlee Building
http://builtstlouis.net/washington/images/1001-overall.jpg

Dorsa Building
http://builtstlouis.net/washington/images/1007-overall.jpg

Bankers Lofts
http://builtstlouis.net/washington/images/901-overall.jpg

Paul Brown Building
http://builtstlouis.net/images/paulbrown-west.jpg
http://builtstlouis.net/images/paulbrown-streetnorth.jpg

Arcade Building
http://builtstlouis.net/images/arcade-overall.jpg

Wright Building
http://builtstlouis.net/images/wright-full-nice.jpg

Xing500
July 24th, 2004, 02:10 AM
Honestly, do you think any of those assholes would read this? There's a reason I don't come to Skyscrapercity very often, people refuse to accept "new realities." The photo threads on St Louis I post get little attention, but any thread demoting St. Louis gets responses like flies to a bright light. My impression of some of the forumers here are this- present them to a man who is struggling to survive- with blood coming down his face, bandages on his arms and a cast on his leg, and they will kick him in the groin.

JivecitySTL
July 24th, 2004, 02:14 AM
These are just a few of the downtown loft developments in the works. Virtually every single vacant building downtown has some redevelopment plan on the books. Now if only we can get the Century Building on that list!

benji45
July 24th, 2004, 02:26 AM
Maybe try posting more interesting posts, I havent read your posts so I dont know what they are like but I Like St. Louis, Im here but maybe your posts are some that people find it hard discussing like are they pics or are they discussions?

MCC
July 24th, 2004, 06:03 PM
Great news. I'm glad these buildings will live.

mjtinmemphis
August 19th, 2004, 12:03 AM
To be honest with you jive city, St. Louis is just now beginning to come up again. People are still thinking of the area as a rust belt city without life.

Give the area another 5 years, people opinions will change on St. Louis.

SChristopher
August 19th, 2004, 08:27 AM
St. Louis is truly a beautiful world class city...and it would also be alot better and easier if people didnt troll in areas they know they dont like such as the midwest...just to hate on development threads

lovecharlie
August 9th, 2005, 04:45 AM
Theres some decent buildings there, glad they will be kept!

C-Town
August 11th, 2005, 05:55 PM
This is a lot like what has been happening in Cleveland! The entire warehouse district along with so many other old buildings downtown are being renovated and turned into lofts, apartments, shops, and restaurants. It's great to see another city not unlike my own enjoying the same kinds of successes!

UrbanRenaissance
August 14th, 2005, 02:12 AM
St. Louis really is a beautiful city, it should get more attention than Boston.

MasonsInquiries
August 18th, 2005, 06:19 AM
St. Louis really is a beautiful city, it should get more attention than Boston.

than boston? u can't be serious.......LOL!!! i wouldn't even put a dent in boston's jockstrap.

edsg25
August 18th, 2005, 02:36 PM
What is the conventional wisdom in St. Louis about the degree of new development that will be taking place on the riverfront?

For all the city's unquestionable character and recent success, IMHO it is your inability to join city and river that most thwarts future development.

Even a magnificent and early example of re-energizing the city, Union Station, chose to use an artifical (and indoor) lake for a waterfront development that elsewhere (i.e. Boston, Baltimore, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.) would have gone directly onto a major body of water.

Laclede's Landing is an admirable connection between the historic old city and the riverfront that spawned it. The grounds around the arch are inviting and give St. Louis a "front door". But truthfully, going down the slope to the levee, this stretch of direct riverfront is also sorely lacking.

Physically St. Louis and Chicago share a similiar set up: both cities look east to their major bodies of water (Miss River, Lk Michigan), with a downtown area located in the central portion of the water's edge. I realize that the Mississippi is not Lake Michigan, but shouldn't St. Louis try to make it a somewhat similiar type of amenity as Chicago does with its lakefront?

STLgasm
August 18th, 2005, 02:53 PM
^^Totally agree, edsg25. Grand plans for the riverfront have been talked about for years and has been a top priority for at least a decade. However, we are the City of Plans, so it's been one hold-up after another. I do believe something great will come of the riverfront eventually, and I hope it's sooner rather than later.

*Sweetkisses*
August 19th, 2005, 12:16 AM
This is great:)

gych
August 19th, 2005, 07:06 AM
Honestly, do you think any of those assholes would read this? There's a reason I don't come to Skyscrapercity very often, people refuse to accept "new realities." The photo threads on St Louis I post get little attention, but any thread demoting St. Louis gets responses like flies to a bright light. My impression of some of the forumers here are this- present them to a man who is struggling to survive- with blood coming down his face, bandages on his arms and a cast on his leg, and they will kick him in the groin.


Uh yeah, this is the thread I have been looking for. Thankfully it has not been tainted with arrogance or defensiveness on a STL or other forumers side.

There has been substantial progress on lofts since my last visit to STL last year. The great thing about STL is the bldg stock which will eventually be converted even if some are still vacant. I LOVE the Arcade bldg especially. Last year I noticed that ground level retail was average at best in this area. Is that picking up? Any new trendy clothing stores or urban grocers to look for when I come?

STLgasm
August 19th, 2005, 02:16 PM
^^^ Yes. Both.

gych
August 22nd, 2005, 07:10 AM
Gasm, what is a cool urban clothes store (s) downtown to look for? Honestly dont remember seeing much retail like that at all last year, but perhaps it has changed? What is the name of the new urban grocer, and what bldg is it in ( I would loev to see a Whole Foods downtown, but I am guessing that is a few years away)?

Also, what is the name of that Hookah Lounge by Wash U? Is it Nick's or something?

JivecitySTL
August 22nd, 2005, 01:19 PM
Clothing store: Lee J. (11th & Washington)
Grocery store: City Grocers (10th & Olive)
Hookah Lounge: Nik's (now closed :( but there are other places in the city with hookah lounges)

gych
August 22nd, 2005, 01:31 PM
Damn, I loved Nik's! My cousin took me there last year. Like I said, he lives in chesterfield. He works a ton now and doesnt get to venture out in the city much save for an occasional Cardinals game, so I dont think hes up on the scene. Whats the next bext hookah bar to try? We went to Mcgurk's (sp?) last time as well and enjoyed that bar.

edsg25
August 22nd, 2005, 02:30 PM
Regarding St. Louis bashing:

just an impression here, guys, but I get the feeling (and not just from this board) that your own suburban region is more responsible for negativity about St. Louis than what outsiders say.

St. Louis is a very nice city, has lots of character, and is on the mend; I don't think a lot of your sububanites see it that way and, in the process, may cloud the issue for out of towners.

Yours is hardly one of the healthy city/suburan relationships out there.

JivecitySTL
August 22nd, 2005, 11:03 PM
^I would assert that most major midwest cities suffer the same stigma-- Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc. are not exactly highly revered by their suburban neighbors either. Although I think it's changing for all the cities for the better.

gych
August 23rd, 2005, 04:28 AM
^I would assert that most major midwest cities suffer the same stigma-- Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc. are not exactly highly revered by their suburban neighbors either. Although I think it's changing for all the cities for the better.


yeah, he's right, I even saw some of this in Chicago, where I met people scared to venture "3 blocks from the Mag Mile." Lol, and they asked me if "greektown was safe?" These were will and dupage county residents by the way I worked with out there.

But I do agree with this, STL has it worst with the city/suburban relationship. No scracth that, detroit has it worst, but STL is really stereotyped. There are a shit TON of STL transplants that lived around me in Wrigleyville, and theyd all be out for cubs-cardinals games. They stick with the cardinals, but man, do they bash the city of STL. I even met a lady on the red line talking about "what a small town STL was" and how it was all about what high school you went to. I was thinking, damn I wonder what she thinks about my hometown if she thinks that about STL!

Here in Louisville, many suburbanites stereotype urban areas, with some going so far as branding the entire old city limits as "downtown and ghetto." You walk downtown at night, is that dangerous? is what they ask. Oh well, thats why I like these boards.

Expat
August 23rd, 2005, 04:49 AM
^Gych, that is funny. I spoke to a man tonight from Louisville (here in DC on business). I mentioned that I just saw some nice pics of downtown Louisville and historic neighborhoods of Louisville. He looked at me like I was crazy and told me that Louisville was not pretty. He told me he NEVER goes downtown. At that point, I realized that it was time to find someone else to talk to and I didn't waste any more time with him.

JivecitySTL
August 23rd, 2005, 05:42 AM
I even met a lady on the red line talking about "what a small town STL was" and how it was all about what high school you went to.
It's comforting to know that the City of St. Louis is a focus of discussion on the Chicago El. How flattering.

warwickland
September 22nd, 2005, 03:12 AM
oh boy...kansas city could use A LOT more improvement on its river front than stl.

"what? kc has a riverfront?"


oh geez, i have friends and family from west county and all they talk about is what highschool they went to...haha.

The Urban Politician
September 23rd, 2005, 07:21 AM
I even met a lady on the red line talking about "what a small town STL was" and how it was all about what high school you went to.

^ Wow, my brother lives in STL and he always says the exact same thing (the comment about high school)

UrbanSophist
September 23rd, 2005, 07:33 AM
^ Wow, my brother lives in STL and he always says the exact same thing (the comment about high school)

Yeah, I've heard the same thing.

I've also heard that St. Louis never ultimately grew more powerful due to crazy county politics.

JivecitySTL
September 23rd, 2005, 12:47 PM
Okay, so every city has its shameful history and idiosyncracies!

i_am_hydrogen
September 24th, 2005, 09:13 AM
Go STL. I'm so happy for this city.