i'd prefer it this way
build dubai waterfront as planned with all the hundreds of towers and villas
reduce palm deira to a tiny exclusive archipelago with nice villas

i think a lot of people would also appreciate a little bit of self-criticism from nakheel's side

agree with you D-L.
dubai waterfront has way more potential, as well has the jebel ali area.so better reduce palm deira.

well I have some intresting news. I have recieved a company proposal for consultancy and in it is the pinnacle/Al Burj tower and i quote "as this will be the tallest tower ever constructed" and else where "will be the tallest building in the world"
seems this is not dead but waiting for the burj and then will launch

i knew they want to compete with Emaar :D
they won't start before 2008 then.

btw
dubai holding where are you?

question: when they want to introduce a height limit here in dubai in szr area, what will happen to dubai waterfront and palm jebel ali, planes will fly above these projects

:nuts:

i was already wondering abt that.
nevertheless jebel ali airport will be more in the city eg the desert than DXB, so planes will be higher there, but al burj is definetly in the approach line exspecially if it will be 800m tall...

As I said I think this will be reduced because:

A: Prices will be falling in around 2008/2009 because many towers will be completed and people who've invested will be desperate to sell. That'll make Nakheel think twice about building a super-expensive tower that can house around 20,000 people.

B: Airport restrictions from JXB.


Aswell, I hope this doesn't end up higher than burj dubai. The higher the tower, the better the design should be and this definitely doesn't look as good as burj dubai.

agree with you on B.

but still A is speculation.there are still experts saying this is just the beginning of the real property boom.
i doubt it, i don't fully agree with you but you are certainly not wrong.

I don't think, that Burj Dubai has a better design as the Al Burj Tower.
My opinion.
The next years make me happy :-)

Al Burj Real Estate to offer properties investment opportunities in Madinat Al Arab

Al Burj Real Estate Limited, the newly-established company announced today that it will start offering property investment opportunities in phase I of Madinat Al Arab, the planned urban downtown at the heart of Dubai Waterfront by November 2005.

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/9/18279-kharbash.jpg
Dr. Kharbash.

This was announced at a meeting of the company board of directors held yesterday.

During this meeting Dr. Mohammad Khalfan Bin Kharbash, UAE Minister of State for Finance and Industry and DIB Chairman was also announced as the Chairman of Al Burj Real Estate Limited.

By November 2005 Al Burj will start offering property investment opportunities in Phase I of Madinat Al Arab. These are unique investment opportunities as the properties are located right on the waterfront which is the last remaining natural waterfront in Dubai. The company also plans to offer a mix of offices, residential and leisure properties to complement the overall master plan of Madinat Al Arab

Speaking on the occasion Dr. Kharbash said: 'Al Burj Real Estate is an upcoming company with a promising potential to become one of the most successful players in the real estate market and and I am proud to be associated with this organization.'

He added ' With a committed capital of Dh7 billion and backed by the expertise of our stakeholders, which includes real estate developers, financial institutions and a number of other prominent investors, we plan to provide unique real estate investments opportunities to suit market needs'.

With the newly constituted Board of Directors, Al Burj Real Estate will focus on its investment strategy by investing in projects developed by the leading development companies in the UAE as well as the GCC market. It also plans to own and manage a portfolio of real estate that includes residential and commercial properties and provides fully integrated property management solutions for its customers real estate needs.

The company announced last September that it has bought a significant share of the property in Phase I of Madinat Al Arab, the planned urban downtown at the heart of Dubai Waterfront.

read the last sentence
they're freaking serious!

what's so special about the last sentence?

will this property consist of plots are actual apts/villas/hotels?

al burj real estate will be the developer of the tower
they have bought the plot for their tower, al burj

^^^ Well Duh.. :D


Just out of interest, was this "al burj company" formed by Nakheel, same way as the waterfront company was also formed by Nakheel? If so doesn't that mean they bought from themselves :weird:

Just out of interest, was this "al burj company" formed by Nakheel, same way as the waterfront company was also formed by Nakheel? If so doesn't that mean they bought from themselves :weird:

Nakheel has announced when it first lunched Madinat Al Arab that it wants to share this project (49%) with other developers.

Dubai Islamic Bank with several investers formed this new company called Al Burj. It has the highest capital of 7 billion dirhams among all the construction companies including Emaar.

Dubai Islamic Bank with several investers formed this new company called Al Burj. It has the highest capital of 7 billion dirhams among all the construction companies including Emaar.

that's sounds great.
i really want the waterfront the be pushed forward as it is maybe one of the best planned projects in dubai.

Good this pushes the need for a 950+m BD.

Muhahahaha.

Hi everybody.My name is Martin.I'M CAME FROM POLAND.I'm very interesting ,a bout dubai.Could you tell me something?IS al burj on palm jumirah or on waterfront bcause i don't know that.My second question is anybody knows there is some videos in net about dubailend(or difrent project) in high resolutions

it is on dubai waterfront, it was fomerly know as the pinnacle on palm jumeirah but now moved and palm jumeirah got the binnacle/ Trump intl hotel and tower

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=208810

videos here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=129838 and www.emaar.com , www.nakheel.com www.dubailand.ae www.businessbay.ae www.dubaiwaterfront.ae

Guys I read the last pages but still can't quite understand, is this tower really approved or not?
Also you mention construction might start in 2007, or that they might wait for the Burj Dubai to make this Al Burj the WTB.
Everytime I come across the Dubai forums I get thrills at the thought of so many towers being built, I get adrenaline rushing, this is all so exciting! :D

Guys I read the last pages but still can't quite understand, is this tower really approved or not?
Also you mention construction might start in 2007, or that they might wait for the Burj Dubai to make this Al Burj the WTB.
Everytime I come across the Dubai forums I get thrills at the thought of so many towers being built, I get adrenaline rushing, this is all so exciting! :D

You should visit this city.
I had never such a dynamic feeling in a city before and i was in Hong Kong and Shenzhen, too.
Dubai is writing history now, big history.
You have the chance right now to see everything under construction. Everytime i watch my video of the drive to the Dubai Marina i am shocked again about the extrem amount of construction.
If i look at my pics i remember the sound of construction. I love this memories. I want to go again to this incredible and amazing city. ;)

Guys I read the last pages but still can't quite understand, is this tower really approved or not?
Also you mention construction might start in 2007, or that they might wait for the Burj Dubai to make this Al Burj the WTB.
Everytime I come across the Dubai forums I get thrills at the thought of so many towers being built, I get adrenaline rushing, this is all so exciting! :D
We don't really know with this tower because construction is really far away (maybe 4,5 years?) and who knows what the situation will be then. It'll most likely go through a few redesigns by then. Nakheel definitely want a centrepiece tower for the waterfront and they keep pushing forward al burj but we'll have to see how Nakheel do in the next few years with the completion of some of their major projects such as palm jumeirah (so far all is definitely not well with the recently completed jumeirah islands)

you can say it's both
nakheel is pushing it so much that it would be a big hit in the face if they cancel it again
even a real-estate agency has been founded for this tower

on the other side it's not yet been finalised

males is just pessimistic as usually. agree with D-L overall :D

what is up with this site right now??? the pics on the front page still dont work.... cant even see the renderings...

thanks for the replies.
I do wish to visit Dubai, but it won't be in the near future. Some day I will though.
In any case, the tower is really appealing to me, maybe even a bit more than the Burj Dubai

this tower is surounded with mystery .. hope they release confidential info soon

You'd think they got this article by reading SSC :p

Burj Dubai gets a rival

Dubai: Burj Dubai, which is on its way to becoming the tallest tower in the world, could be dwarfed by another Dubai landmark, Al Burj, before its completion in 2008, officials told a Meed Projects conference on Tuesday.

"With more than 700 metres in height and more than 160 floors, Burj Dubai will be the tallest tower in the world," Abdullah Lahej, Emaar Properties director of construction, told delegates at the second Major Project Developments in Dubai conference, organised by Meed Projects, an online projects tracker. "We are now pouring concrete for the 17th floor."

Though it is unclear as to which Burj will eventually dwarf the other, one thing is pretty clear: Dubai will have the two tallest towers.

Following the launch of Burj Dubai, Nakheel, a Dubai-based property developer, last year announced Al Burj, which was initially planned to be developed on the Palm Jumeirah's trunk, where the Palm Trump Hotel and Tower is being planned.

Al Burj has been presented to General Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence.

The location of Al Burj was later shifted to Dubai Waterfront the world's largest man-made waterfront development. However, its height remained a secret until yesterday as Nakheel did not want the public to speculate on it.

"At the moment, I can only say that Al Burj will be at least 700 metres tall and one of the tallest towers in the world," Robert Lee, Nakheel's director for development, said, avoiding further queries on its actual height, or if it would challenge Burj Dubai.

"Al Burj will be a mixed-use project with a combination of offices and residences. We are currently working on its design."

Construction officials are certain that it will be higher than Burj Dubai.

"I can't imagine anyone spending so much money to raise it up to 700 metres and not make it the tallest tower. It would be foolish of any developer not to stretch further to make it the tallest one in the world," said an official of a large contracting company.

"I hear, Nakheel is looking to stretch Al Burj to around one kilometres in height, that is 1,000 metres," said a participant.

Nakheel, owned by Dubai Government, and Emaar, a listed company, which is 32.5 per cent owned by the government, are two of the three entities mandated by the government to offer properties on a freehold basis to expatriates.

Together with Dubai Holding, the government's investment arm, they are rapidly transforming the emirate.

when they will start?

i wud guess not before 2008-09

i think its crazy.. it will be cancelled

It says it could be completed before burj dubai :hahaha: What utter bollocks :D
I hope the redesign turns out fantastic and that they apoint someone good to build it :D

I hope the final tower has setbacks (or at least gets smalleras it goes up) because a tower this size must have them in order to look good.

did they not already float the 1km height and then droped the idea

Huge mistake, nothing should ever dwarf Burj Dubai...

For one the name Burj Dubai, should be untouchabble.

For two, selling it & marketing it was & is based on being the tallest tower on Earth.

Thirdly, if you are going to build the tallest ever, 1km high tower, it should be in the huge area cluster of Burj Dubai itself, Business Bay, Dubai Finacial Center etc.... that area...

What a huge mistake!

Madinat al arab will soon enough be a HUGE cluster of skyscrapers

did they not already float the 1km height and then droped the idea

that was the 1 mile article

well unlike malec i expected nakheel do come up with sth like that ;)

what i would love is more rumours abt nakheel wanting to build a 1km tower because this could make burj dubai even taller and i would prefer it to be the tallest.

One three zero zero

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lol :lol:

you and your 1300 bullshit ;)


they have problems with completion dates
anyway, i'm sure this project will go ahead

Another articel:

Dubai to have two tallest towers
7-Dec-2005

Al Burj which will be located at the Dubai Waterfront the world's largest man-made waterfront development will be the tallest tower according to latest reports. Nakeel, the Dubai-based real estate developer and Dubai based Emaar Properties are involved in this great real estate development.


Burj Dubai

Nakheel has earler announced Burj Dubai, its tallest tower project. But now with the launching of this new project confusions have rose in the real estate sector regarding the tallest tower of the world.

The exact heights of both the towers are not yet revealed yet one thing is certain that Dubai will have the world's two tallest buildings. "Al Burj will be a mixed-use project with a combination of offices and residences. We are currently working on its design," Robert Lee, Nakheel's director for development said while unveiling the new project.

Nakheel, owned by Dubai Government, and Emaar, a listed company, which is 32.5 per cent owned by the government, are two of the three entities mandated by the government to offer properties on a freehold basis to expatriates.

Nakheel has earler announced Burj Dubai, its tallest tower project.


:weirdo:

dennis be careful maybe he is right..
you do not know what he's up to. maybe he will but some selfmade spire on it ... :runaway:

If the redesign is fitting and grand enough. I have no problem if it knocks of Burj Dubai but in the time being i am hoping for a 900m BD and that the Km tower gets of the ground in the next two years.

Whatever the height, I hope it's not taller than Burj Dubai... I would suggest even a meter shorter that Burj Dubai

Well that is great news!
lol, I asked about the project and less than a week after they give me an official response :D
In any case, from the renders I've seen, this tower is much better than the Burj Dubai, and on top of that might be higher. Even better!

Think so toooooooo

renders already exisit wow

renders already exisit wow
aren't we talking about this tower?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid130/p90f25f5628420de5352a075774984c3e/f7b9de65.jpg

this was the old design used for the trunk of palm jumeirah, it has now been moved to dubai waterfront with an even taller design.

dats my photo but thats the old desgin

Al Burj to rival Burj Dubai

Dubai

http://www.gulfconstructionworldwide.com/source/xxvi/12/images/UAE-AlBurj.jpg

Dubai developer Nakheel’s Al Burj tower, proposed to be built as part of the Dubai Waterfront project, is expected to rival the Burj Dubai, which is being built to be the tallest tower in the world when completed.

Burj Dubai is being developed by another prominent Dubai builder Emaar Properties and construction is now under way.
Al Burj, initially planned to be developed on the Palm Jumeirah’s trunk, was later shifted to the Dubai Waterfront. Both are Nakheel’s projects. However, the final height of both towers remains a secret.
“At the moment, I can only say that Al Burj will be at least 700-m tall and one of the tallest towers in the world,” said Robert Lee, Nakheel’s director for development.
“Al Burj will be a mixed-use project with a combination of offices and residences. We are currently working on its design.” Construction officials are certain that it will be higher than Burj Dubai.
“I can’t imagine anyone spending so much money to raise it up to 700 m and not make it the tallest tower. It would be foolish of any developer not to stretch further to make it the tallest one in the world,” said an official of a large contracting company.
Meanwhile, Dubai Waterfront, the world’s largest waterfront development, has announced that its masterplan has been completed by the renowned architectural and planning firm Gruzen Samton.
The master plan, which was first visualised in January, has evolved following months of strategic planning and a meticulous preparation process. It includes a detailed plan of Phase One of Madinat Al Arab featuring development control and design regulations. Affection plans have also been provided for each investor detailing a map of their land plot and usage, its size and location, as well as height restrictions and built-up area specifications.
The exceptional sales of Phase One, which sold out in July for Dh13 billion ($3.54 billion) within just five days of its unveiling, highlights the confidence of investors in how well planned Dubai Waterfront is as a development, said a spokesman.
The project plans to be a world-class destination at the heart of the new Dubai. The master plan integrates Madinat Al Arab, a vibrant downtown surrounded by water and located on the main harbour at the heart of the project.
A particular emphasis has also been put on infrastructure through planned roads and other amenities that will meet the demands of the rising population. The destination, which is set to become a benchmark for integrated development, is strategically located for direct access to Dubai’s Sheikh Zayed Road, the Jebel Ali Free Zone, Abu Dhabi, the planned Jebel Ali Airport and has also taken into account the planned metro link-up, he said.
Madinat Al Arab will be anchored by Al Burj tower. The downtown will feature resorts, retail, commercial spaces, public spaces, a mix of residences and an integrated transport network including light rail and sophisticated road network.
James Wilson, chief executive officer, Nakheel and Dubai Waterfront, said: “Dubai Waterfront is an ambitious and modern project which is destined to become an international icon, ultimately serving as the gateway to the Arabian Canal.”

about the same what we heard in the last article...

i seriously hope this will increase BD's height, so that nakheel is not able to build taller.
i wonder if they are totally redesigning it or just adding the final touches for the current one.

so its approved enough to take out those question marks of this thread's topic. :)

Looks like Burj Dubai got a little competion on it's hands, also in the news today was a 1km high tower in kuwait althought it said it was going to take 25 years to build.

Things can still change a few news stories are nothing. I mean BD is actually well on it's way.

Let the Race begin

An even bigger render of al burj (sorry about the cut in the middle)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1310/arse47sq.jpg

Nice Render, does not look as impressive as BD as it straight up, but nevertheless still will be impressive because of it's height.

So the picture by Trances I showed was the old design.
Okay, but is the render above the current design then? Because they look similar to me

what is the old render by trances? the one on palm jumeirah?

the tower has been redesigned slightly and additonal floors have been added, AND it has been moved from palm jumeirah trunk to Dubai Waterfront.

Hi

I mean you reckon you could contact nahkeel to get one , are they selling yet?

Nice render i like it alot.

I've just started a wikipedia article on Al Burj since there wasn't one before.
Feel free to edit and add more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj

^nice job.
You have included a skyline render, the tall building on the background is the Burj Dubai, right?
I still can't take my eyes off the night version render, it's way better than the Burj Dubai. It's a shame they might have to take advantage of spires to get the total height higher, but the Chrysler building did the same and nobody blames them for doing so ;)

I wouldn't count the spires on this tower though. Here they are just poles while the Chrysler one looks like it's part of the building.

BTW that's not burj dubai in the background. It's too small. Think that's just put in there for show.

could be.
also burj dubai is some 60km away.
remember burj dubai has a spire also :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/AlBurjPanorama.jpg

This pic is GREAT!!
Talk about NYC

Wow I was just screwing around on wikipedia and I saw we were linked

btw this building is so much better than Burj Dubai

btw this building is so much better than Burj Dubai

Burj Dubai has a big advantage: It does exist.
So for me, it's better

please translate to english..thanx :okay:


Ese edificio es el que sera muy pronto el mas alto del mundo? con casi 700 metros de altura y 200 pisos?
es solo residencial o tambien hay oficinas alli?

Gracias

greetings from Colombia :)

please translate to english..thanx :okay:


Ese edificio es el que sera muy pronto el mas alto del mundo? con casi 700 metros de altura y 200 pisos?
es solo residencial o tambien hay oficinas alli?

Gracias

greetings from Colombia :)

Will the building be all residential or will it have offices in it?

as written in the title, this will be mixed use, commercial, res and hotel.

I have a question, has Nakheel released any pricing or availability yet for this tower?

nope and i doubt it will happen in 2006.

Al Burj in the new masterplan:

http://tinypic.com/mcc1w1.jpg

I know this was probably posted before, but MEED has more details on this one, i think:

Al-Burj to rival Burj Dubai
CONSTRUCTION UAE
9 Dec 2005
Waterfront tower to be about 700 metres high

Local property developer Nakheel’s Al-Burj tower is set to compete with local rival Emaar Properties’ Burj Dubai for the title of the world’s tallest high-rise building. The project, which was originally designed for Palm Jumeirah, will now be developed as part of the first phase of the Dubai Waterfront development (MEED 2:12:05).

"I can only say that it will be at least 700 metres and one of the tallest towers in the world," Robert Lee, business development manager at Nakheel, told the Second MEED Major Projects in Dubai conference held on 6-7 December.

A US team of Pei Partnership Architects (PPA) and Axis Design Group (ADG) completed the original designs, which had called for the construction of a 750-metre-high skyscraper. "Al-Burj will be a mixed-use project. We are still working on its design," said Lee.

Nakheel has constantly refused to comment on Al-Burj’s exact height, as has Emaar on Burj Dubai’s final height. "It will be more than 700 metres with more than 160 floors," Abdullah Lahej, Emaar’s director of construction, told delegates. "It will be the tallest tower in the world." Work has now started on the 17th floor by the three-strong JV of South Korea’s Samsung Corporation, the Belgian Besix and the local Arabtec Construction.

Speaking on Dubai Waterfront, Lee said that the completed masterplan has increased the project’s synergy with neighbouring Palm Jebel Ali. "The two projects will house more than 1 million people," he said.

Nakheel had originally set up Dubai Waterfront Company (DWC) to enable local and international investors to become partners in the project with Nakheel possessing an overriding 51 per cent share in DWC. However, it is now the sole shareholder and has invited investors to purchase and build independent components within the development.

Phase 1 – Madinat al-Arab – has been sold to private investors and 60 per cent to the recently created Al-Burj Real Estate, a private stock company with capital of $2,000 million. It will be built on the last remaining stretch of coastline between Palm Jebel Ali and the Abu Dhabi border. Some 70 per cent of the 30 million-square-metre development will be residential space and will be based on a grid system, to help manage traffic. The project involves the construction of about 200 towers.Total investment in the first phase is expected to be about AED 13,000 million ($3,500 million), for which work is expected to begin in late 2006. US-based Gruzen Samton prepared the Waterfront masterplan. UK-based Davis Langdon is the cost consultant; Canada’s Cansult is the road consultant; and France’s MVA-Systra is the traffic consultant.

A team of US-based UL and Netherlands-based Delft Hydraulics is the hydraulics consultant; the US’ EDSA is the landscape consultant; and Lehr is the utilities consultant. Nakheel is also in the process of selecting a project manager.

it's getting serious and i'm convinced they will build it

they keep pushing it and pushing
it would be embarassing if nakheel is just joking around

it's getting serious and i'm convinced they will build it

they keep pushing it and pushing
it would be embarassing if nakheel is just joking around

yeah, you are right. Its serious alright, but I wonder if it will be taller than the Burj Dubai. Here they say that the Burj Dubai will be > 700m and I feel they will go for 777m, but will Al Burj beat that? Who knows. Time will tell.

I also think it is safe to remove the question marks from this thread. We can be pretty sure it will be built, the only thing that remains unknown is its final height....

they will build it for sure, the question is.. what will be the height of this monster? 700 is no challenge for burj dubai.
i would be satisfied though. i want the burj to remain the tallest.

they will build it for sure, the question is.. what will be the height of this monster? 700 is no challenge for burj dubai.
i would be satisfied though. i want the burj to remain the tallest.

yep, I want the Burj Dubai to be the tallest too. Would be nice to keep it that way for a whille. :D

Same here, BD @850m at least and Al Burj @750 - 800.

Al Burj must be taller than the 1001 km tower in Kuwait :D

Al Burj must be taller than the 1001 km tower in Kuwait :D

IF that tower in Kuwait ever gets built. ;)

it will not be built...
you cannot build a 1001 KM tower ;)

why not, maybe it is posibel im a believer

haha.... 1001 km... lmao

it will not be built...
you cannot build a 1001 KM tower ;)


nope, it doesnt stand a chance. :D

Okay what is the current status of Al Burj because I haven't heard anything for quite a while. Does anybody know when construction might start?

Well it will be in The waterfront developement which has just started if im not mistaken. I think during 2010 - 2020 we might see it standing :P. Dubai Waterfront a huge project.

Don't expect Al Burj to complete before 2012 which means they will probably announce it sometime next year or early 2008. Still quite some time!

Wasnt the Ancient Tower of Babylon over 1000km high? I think Emaar were originally behind that one, with only technical input from Nakheel. :rofl:

I love how Al Burj looks and I hope it will be built. I edited that big render with the split (white line) in the middle and cleaned it up, but I guess I'm not allowed to post attachments. Ah well. I read somewhere else that its status was changed to "cancelled". Anyone know more about this?

no it is not cancelled, the old pinnacle for palm jumeirah was cancelled/moved to dubai waterfront and renamed al burj.
it will go ahead, we just don't know the height ;)

you can upload pictures on www.tinypic.com and put the url you get in the post reply site on SSC, we will see the pictures then.

I hope this works... because this tower deserves to look nice (without the split).

http://i1.tinypic.com/rtmjwo.jpg

Yup, thanks

i think the al burj maybe taller than the burj dubai...in the initials stages of the developement, it was supposedly going to be taller that the burj dubai

Al Burj must be now taller than the 1001m Kuwait tower :cheers:

I am sorry to tell u its not :P

^^ oh well

New one from Pei Partnership

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/vtalibaba/bc432c18.jpg

what is the right thing supposed to be be.. interior layout?

mechanical floors etc?

rear view

WTF are u serious ??? never ... don't think so.

Well, the tower has 3 sections. One was cut off to show the interior details that's all

Looks good ! So what are they waiting for ?

Land to build it on ^^

^^ rather for infrastructure and probably sales of their other projects.

Al Burj is not being built on reclaimed land.

Well, first of all they have to actually start construction of the waterfront (which should start at the end of this year / beginning of next year). Since Madinat al arab isn't being built on reclaimed land they won't have to do that. Still though they have to prepare the whole area which could take a while. Knowing Nakheel there'll be delays and I recon Al Burj will rise with the other buildings, like Almas is with JLT.

It is reclaimed.. it just reclaimed itself without nakheel having to do anything!

that bit of coastline is awesme, i used to go every week when i was a kid, sometimes it moved up to 5metres a week!

you can still see the old rock groynes which are now quite a way back from the sea.

The 1001m Kuwait tower (silk city) will take an est. 25 years to be compleated, i think by then dubai will have popped up a larger tower, Dubai won't settle for losing out on having the world's tallest building,

Kuwait will be Dubai's Bitch

The 1001m Kuwait tower (silk city) will take an est. 25 years to be compleated, i think by then dubai will have popped up a larger tower, Dubai won't settle for losing out on having the world's tallest building,

Kuwait will be Dubai's Bitch

WTF, the whole City of Silk will be completed in 25 years not the skyscraper :weirdo:

whats wrong with people who have reading disabilities?


i have one... you gonna mock me?

oh look... there is a guy in a wheel chair... :rofl:

lets watch dubliner get his kicks by pushing him into a swimming pool!

yay!

whats wrong with people who have reading disabilities?


i have one... you gonna mock me?

oh look... there is a guy in a wheel chair... :rofl:

lets watch dubliner get his kicks by pushing him into a swimming pool!

yay!

I know I feel horrible for saying that. I usually wouldn't say something like that but I just got so fed up from people making comments like the one he made.

^^ yeah u probably overrreacted since the articles are not very clear on this point, they don't give an exact completion date for the tower.

^^ yeah u probably overrreacted since the articles are not very clear on this point, they don't give an exact completion date for the tower.

Exactly, the articles never said anything about the completion date of the tower so I don't know why they assume that the tower will be completed in 25 years time.

sorry people, i was just repeating what i read

We havent had any updates for quite a while... I hate playing the waiting game...

What updates???

Grrr... The last major update was months ago back on April 6th!! Can anyone lift the blanket on any developments?

DT

where is Al burj to be build? on Palm Jebel Ali or on the New Waterfront?

When Al Burj gets build than on Dubai Waterfront!

waterfront is not done so they cant build it :(

i think they will start 08 or 09

Al Burj is NOT located on reclaimed land, but on the current shoreline.

übersetzt du das für mich auf deutsch, ich hab den inhalt nicht ganz verstanden :D

Steht auf dem Festland!

english please

^^ :sleepy:

he was just asking what i was saying (in english), because he did not get it, and Deak57 was telling him.

satisfied :D ?

Steht auf dem Festland!

Thank you
Sorry that i've writed in German :D

People can not understand english ??? scarce!
I don´t know that Al Burj gets build - because Burj Dubai. Burj Dubai will be the Best Tower in Dubai and not Al Burj. Al Burj is competition for Burj Dubai!

"People can not understand english???"
I'm 17 Years old, i'm still learning english ok!!

both have a great design, but I like the design of Al Burj a bit more than the design of Burj Dubai!!

yep satisfied flo

and dubai-boomtown, no1 is in any position to say whether the tower will be better than the burj dubai

the hieght is still unknown therefore if they do plan to build it, it might be taller than the BD

i hope it'll be over 900m

Yeah, that will be great!

Hey Boomtown, have you ICQ, AOL or MSN??? If yes we can chat with one of the Programms :)

This is the AL Burj thread ! Not a thread for personal contacts!

http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/launch_slides/DSC_8076.jpg

http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/launch_slides/DSC_8047.jpg

Now Thats something.! :eek:

hello! :)

NICE!!

Oh thank you so much for the pics dubaiflo!! Ive been waiting literally months for a decent one :D

When and where are those pics from?

^^ they are taken from the Dubai Waterfront Website, and were taken at the launch ceremony.

Are this Pics from July or August?

^^july

they were posted last month so how can they be from this month!

pics are more than a year old!!!

^^ i remembered those pics..i thought these were new ones

check post 160

:rofl: i remember that

when will the consruction start or its under construction
:runaway: :bash:

^^ everything is still unclear...we dont even know if it has been approved let alone construction

The competion for Burj Dubai must wait!

I like this tower. Supertalls must be gorgeous and this... well is stunning.

yeah it's wonderful. They must build it!

I love the design of this tower. I can't wait to see it completed.

Can't wait to see the start :D:D:D:D:D

Start, start, start, Hex Hex http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Kaos/11.gif (http://smiliestation.de) :)

I only notice now that the whole tower is actually hollow and the empty space inside is actually quite a lot. I wonder how the elevators will work, hopefully the tower will have enough for such a huge tower. Also I'm getting to like this tower, it's not beautiful but you can appreciate it because of how impressive it is. It's the sort of thing that when you look up to see the top you go "wow" and keep staring at the top until your neck hurts, something like the sears tower or the old WTC. I just wish they'd choose better materials though, the shape is fine.

I actually want to make a model of this, will probably start tomorrow. BTW I really think the tower should be moved off that island and onto the mainland. It's the type that should be right next to the street

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3025/attachmentmx4.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=attachmentmx4.jpg)

^^ ;) malec, this thing is in the planning stage, we don't know what materials they will use, nor how many elevators it will have and i seriously doubt the architects are stupid enough not to take this into consideration ;)

hope there will be an official presentation about this tower in the near future. with infos about the height, construction start, floors etc....

Contractors jockey for Burj Dubai rival tower scheme
CONSTRUCTION UAE
27 Oct 2006

Local real estate developer Nakheel has selected contractors to work on pre-construction agreements for its Al-Burj project. The tower will form the centrepiece of the first phase of the Dubai Waterfront development and is expected to be one of the tallest in the world. It may even challenge the 800-metre-plus Burj Dubai scheme being developed by the local Emaar Properties . In December last year, Nakheel confirmed that the tower will be at least 700 metres tall (MEED 9:12:05).

Companies working on preconstruction agreements, which involve value engineering and construction planning, include South Korea’s Samsung Corporation , Japan’s Shimizu Corporation and Australia’s Grocon . A US team of Pei Partnership Architects (PPA) and Axis Design Group (ADG) completed the preliminary designs for the tower late last year.

The pre-construction agreements are the latest sign of contract activity at Dubai Waterfront. In September, the joint venture of the local APCC with Vibro Foundation , a wholly-owned subsidiary of France’s Soletanche Bachy , was awarded a ground improvement contract for Palm Jebel Ali, which has been incorporated into the Dubai Waterfront development, and the local Ghantoot Transport & General Contracting was awarded the phase 1 earthmoving contract for phase 1 of Dubai Waterfront. Belgium’s Jan De Nul began working on the dredging package for Dubai Waterfront in July and is close to completing the reclamation and rock placement works for Palm Jebel Ali (MEED 22:9:06).

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LOL @Samsung building also Al Burj. Well, who else but them would have the expertise of building a megatall.

sure, but i bet if they will do it it will be taller than Burj Dubai.

so phase 1 of Waterfront include's that giant of tower? so the construction start is not far away

So they're really crazy enough to build this thing? :)

seems so :).

great news guys :) always a pleasure to hear a Burj Dubai-beater is already in the pipeline! ;)

I want to reserve my apartment! I want one and am willing to do ANYTHING to get my hands on an apartment! :rock: I was too late to buy in BD so I just HAVE TO get this one and sell my shitty little MD apartments!

:lol:, then hurry up :).

united arab emirates: World’s tallest tower rising in Dubai


Greg Sang, the Emaar Properties official in charge of Burj Dubai, standing on a balcony overlooking the construction of the skyscraper complex, which is set to be the world’s tallest tower on its completion in 2008



Slated to become the world’s tallest skyscraper and symbol of a city given to grandiose projects, “Burj Dubai”, or Dubai Tower, is rising in parallel with the profits of its promoter, Emaar Properties.

With two stories added every week, Burj Dubai is taking shape as the centerpiece of a 20-billion-dollar venture featuring the construction of a new district, “Downtown Burj Dubai”, that will house 30,000 apartments and the world’s largest shopping mall.
Launched in early 2004, the construction of the tower by South Korea’s Samsung should be completed at the end of 2008 and cost one billion dollars, according to Greg Sang, the Emaar official in charge of Burj Dubai.
Burj Dubai already has 79 stories, taking its height to more than 200 meters. But even after having gone that far, Emaar is still not revealing the tower’s final height.
“At the moment, we are not answering. We’ll say it [will be] more than 700 meters and more than 160 stories... The people who need to know, know”, Sang, a 40-year-old New Zealander, told reporters.
The world’s tallest inhabited building is “Taipei 101” in Taiwan, which is 508 meters tall.
“At the moment, we’ve got around 2,500 workers on the tower site alone. We expect that to peak about a year from now at over 5,000... And for the whole site... at any point in time, when the whole Downtown Burj Dubai district is under construction, there will be 20,000 men working here”.
Emaar, which is listed on the Dubai Stock Exchange and boasts of being the world’s largest property company by capital, is setting great store by this flagship project.
The figures bear out its confidence. Emaar, in which the Dubai government has a 32.5-percent stake, is seeing its profits climb.
The real estate giant posted record net profits of 437 million dollars in the third quarter of this year, a 39-percent increase on the same period in 2005.
“Certain buildings take on iconic status, like the Eiffel Tower and the Empire State Building, instantly recognizable and instantly associated with the city that they are placed in”, Sang said.
But Sang admitted that he did not expect Burj Dubai to remain the tallest building in the world forever. It will face competition in Dubai itself, where the city’s other property development major, Nakheel, has announced it will launch the construction of “Al-Burj” or “The Tower” -- whose projected height also remains a closely guarded secret.

I want to reserve my apartment! I want one and am willing to do ANYTHING to get my hands on an apartment! :rock: I was too late to buy in BD so I just HAVE TO get this one and sell my shitty little MD apartments!

How much do you want for your shitty little MD apartments ? :lol:

Recently someone complained on 7Days how he was having difficulty sleepping in his MD1 Aparment, due to the construction noice around. Minime, was that you? :D

This tower will not be built, take my word. Nakheel will be long gone before they start working on this one. I wonder in which language nakheel means "total disaster"

^^ Wow that's a seriously negative post. More negative than me perhaps? :D

^^ I guess is the influence of the place he's in.

^^ Wow you really have something against me and the US today :D

I have never been secretive about my feelings about Nakheel, in fact I am not the only one who thinks this company is nothing but a joke. I have nothing against Dubai neither am I pro American or wotever it is Altin assumes myself to be.

^^ It has nothing to do with being pro or against American, rather the influence and the philosophy of living in America has on people. I have "problems" with my brother for the same, and he even lives in Canada.

If "living in America" really means making u think along the lines of practicality and basing ur judgement based on results, then sure I am "american" influenced when I judge Nakheel for its stupidity in not just this but all its projects. Palm Jumeirah was a bold but perhaps smart idea... but the success just went straight to their heads.

Here's what I think:

At some point Nakheel will have to realise that there's no way in hell all of this will be filled up (we're talking a population of 10 million or so needed fill up every nakheel + non-nakheel project).
The way it goes now is, master developer sells to smaller developer who sells to investor who sells to end user / other investor who will rent out the apartment. Eventually one of these guys in the chain won't be able to sell and prices will start to go down. Then the shit will really start to hit the fan when buyers will be wanting refunds and all this stuff.
Once this happens you'll find some towers going on hold or plots where work has barely started to be abandoned. Also massive projects like dubai waterfront would be redesigned or just built over a longer period. For example, they might just build madinat al arab and ditch the rest or for palm deira they might only build on a quater of the land and save the rest for later.

I'm not predicting doomsday or something like this, if anything this will be when the population really explodes with people taking advantage of the cheap apartments available.

This tower will not be built, take my word. Nakheel will be long gone before they start working on this one. I wonder in which language nakheel means "total disaster"


I've always thought that Phase 1 of the construction of Madinat Al arab include's that tower. or not?

Samir u need to come back to Dubai to experience the boom feeling :D

believe me i am getting more and more negative day by day here, but 4 weeks in dubai a year make up for it.

i don't think Nakheel is the best company out there but if they continue like they (appearantly) started now with PJ, everything will go more or less smooth.

however that does not make it certain this one will be built here.

agree totally....that tower was shown an alle renderings and models, so i don't think it's only a "joke".

This buildings is so wonderful, and tall. I can't wait to visit Dubai one day.

This buildings is so wonderful, and tall. I can't wait to visit Dubai one day.

Wait until after christmas / new year. The prices are very high now. Better to go in Januari.

Personally I like Al Burj and since I missed out on the Burj Dubai so I really want an apartment in this one.

u can still get Burj Dubai apartments for almost zero premium..

i hate this tower, i dunno why lol

u can still get Burj Dubai apartments for almost zero premium..

Yes, starting at 5000000 USD.... I think that apt is just a little too big for me. :) I do not think there will ever be a high premium for these towers but find 3000 / sq ft about 3 times too high.... (esp. for an unproven 'emerging' market like dubai)

it doesnt start at 5,000,000 dollars!! a 70th floor apt. would cost u 5,000,000 dirhams!

it doesnt start at 5,000,000 dollars!! a 70th floor apt. would cost u 5,000,000 dirhams!
Yo Guy! Where did you see that? I looked at landmark-dubai and they just had the overpriced properties listed.

Any word on maintenance costs? I noticed some of the towers in new york have maintenance costs of 3000+ USD / month... Will it be similar for this development? After all, costs will be fenominal (pumping water up, cleaning, repairs, etc.)

i don't know about maintenance but you can get a 1bdr at slightly over 3m Dhs in Burj Dubai

yeah flo, but t also depends on view+floor

Any further news about Al Burj?

i use to hate the Al Burj, until i heard and seen some news about the burj Dubai. my reason now i hate the burj dubai is that the highest occupiable floor level is around 705m.

so i had a question about AL BURJ what's the highest occupiable floor ??? could it be close to 705m

Yo Guy! Where did you see that? I looked at landmark-dubai and they just had the overpriced properties listed.

Any word on maintenance costs? I noticed some of the towers in new york have maintenance costs of 3000+ USD / month... Will it be similar for this development? After all, costs will be fenominal (pumping water up, cleaning, repairs, etc.)

ok lol maybe 70th floor may be a lil exagerated, but seriously, loads of people are selling burj dubai apts. for 0-1% premium.

i use to hate the Al Burj, until i heard and seen some news about the burj Dubai. my reason now i hate the burj dubai is that the highest occupiable floor level is around 705m.

You hate Al Burj, you hate Burj dubai......:ohno:

so i had a question about AL BURJ what's the highest occupiable floor ??? could it be close to 705m

Cul thinks it to be that. Wait and see bud. Even the Cul could be wrong.

You hate Al Burj, you hate Burj Dubai......:ohno: i use to hate the AL BURJ, until i found out that tallest occupiable floor level of the Burj Dubai is lower then 700m

I don't think hardly anyone ever expected the 808m version to have occupied floors above 700m. Consider: even if the pointy spire was only 50m, that would only leave 50m for all the plant equipment for the tallest building ever.

I don't think hardly anyone ever expected the 808m version to have occupied floors above 700m. Consider: even if the pointy spire was only 50m, that would only leave 50m for all the plant equipment for the tallest building ever. yeah there was people expected there to be a occupied floor at 705m, and it would give it more then 50m for all the plant equipment, it would give it 103m= 337 feet high. so there is a chance of having a occupied floor level at 705 :)

to live in 700m.......WOW

megatower = :weird:

I hope we get update soon

Domenico=:weird:

to live in 700m.......WOW in the AL BURJ ?

yes....that tower will have 200F. with an Floor height of 3,5m the last floor is in 700m. but i'm sure the floor height will be more than 3,5m....maybe 4 ( than we've 800m).

thank's for the great info ZZ-II ^^

that was only an easy calculation :lol:, we haven't any information about the Flooraverage.

I wish we got more info about this. I like this tower just as much as the Burj Dubai and I would love to see it built to its total height of 1km.

8oo m ..?? i was expecting this to compete with BD .. which is more than 800 M ..
any idea wen the construction begins .?

Not sure yet but bare in mind the Burj Dubai was 705m when launched. This tower will probably have the potential to grow as well. There have been roomors of it reaching 1km when you include the crown/spire!! :D

There is nothing iconic about this tower except its height.IMHO Burj Dubai is far more superior aesthetics-wise.

There is nothing iconic about this tower except its height.IMHO Burj Dubai is far more superior aesthetics-wise.


funny, I think exactly the contrary!

well i hope they will build this...cuz as far as i know, it still proposed guys.... But if its 200 F at least the hight should be more than 800mtr....!!! :D

it's 100% over 800m!!!

has the construction started or it is just proposed !

by the way bd is realty!

but, after its construction, will they empty out the sand or land under it to make way for the canal of water flowing under it? like as in the renders? cuz after thay have built the foundation, wont it become weaker if they remove the sand under it?

offcourse !!!!

I hope it doesn't get built. The facade is extremely ugly.

no, it's a wonderful tower, they must build it!!!

has the construction started or it is just proposed !

by the way bd is realty! no it has not started yet!

Remember my april fools this year when I made al burj have 10 sections instead of 7? Well count them in this pic :lol:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5282/bdubaiwaterfrontof7.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bdubaiwaterfrontof7.jpg)[/QUOTE]

The truth comes out. Malec is the chairman of Nakheel. We all suspected it...everything bad he has ever said about them was just to throw us off track
:lol:

Classic :lol:

You had so many people going there Malec, looks like some of them still think it was real!! :P

since it's been APPROVED, they can now go ahead with construction ?

^^ When they are ready.

from Nakheel Sales center

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/395/img5150go4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2789/img5151ia3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/251/img5152lh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3986/img5153rn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1525/img5154wq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4466/img5155dy4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

from Cityscape 2006

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4925/img5028th2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4223/img5029ag9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2871/img5030ew1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3227/img5031xj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is beutiful, I love it.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1815/dubaiwaterfrontsj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4901/dubaiwaterfront2bo8.png (http://imageshack.us)

That is absolutely beautiful!!

A couple of things to note though, Cityscape has revealed a couple of redesigns. Al Burj seems to be tapered as its height increases. The first tapper seems to occur at the 4th segment and there is a second occuring at the beginning of the crown segment. The other major change is to the Dubai Waterfront... it no longer looks like a giant dragons foot!! :P

Both pictures of the Dubai Waterfront have different concepts which I think are probably mainly influenced by transport engineers although the state of the worlds economy has probably also influenced the changes. I would really love to get more info on this.

Thank you very much Imre :D

now I'm absolutely sure Al Burj will be build :)

So it looks like it won't be built on the Palm Jumeriah, that's interesting....

^^Yes, it was moved from PJ to the Dubai Waterfront a bit over a year ago I believe it was. The Trump Tower Dubai has been slated to take its place on Palm Jumeriah.

So it looks like it won't be built on the Palm Jumeriah, that's interesting....

It was announced back in early 2005. It was indeed replaced with one of Trumps Towers. Link to the thread here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=208810&highlight=trump+dubai).
The design has changed from the May 05 render and this amazing tower can be viewed on the last page of the thread.

Im very intrigued to see some genuine development news on this tower as there have been no solid announcements for months. I have a feeling they are waiting for the final height of the Burj Dubai to be announced so they can go ahead and built Al Burj higher.

Nakheel is already working with Samsung and Grocon (form specialist) on how to build the tower, and we know that wind tunnel testing is going one.

However, romour in the air is that the number of floors is fixed to 246 now ... unless somebody else is planning a third mega-megatall, which is unlikely.

When did you get that info AltinD!? :O

If it is indeed 246f @ 3.5m average then 861m would be a very conservative estimate for the total height.

I have been perplexed by this tower for over 2yrs now and am an enormous fan of the structural architecture being proposed for it. What do you think of the Al Burj AltinD?

It was announced back in early 2005. It was indeed replaced with one of Trumps Towers. Link to the thread here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=208810&highlight=trump+dubai).
The design has changed from the May 05 render and this amazing tower can be viewed on the last page of the thread.

Im very intrigued to see some genuine development news on this tower as there have been no solid announcements for months. I have a feeling they are waiting for the final height of the Burj Dubai to be announced so they can go ahead and built Al Burj higher.

they can built it higher, because they've no foundation :). and i think it's not really difficult to add some new floors to the plan, not with that design.

When did you get that info AltinD!? :O
...

What do you think of the Al Burj AltinD?

One UAE forumer, working on the industry, posted that in another part of SSC. As for the tower, I think is great for the location, but I don't want it to be taller then Burj Dubai and I'm in unease about the effect the new Jebel Ali Airport might have on this tower.

that is a huge tower

Hmmm...

Yes, I see what you mean. The airport does have a greater say in things and I would hate to think that the tower could have its head cut off due to a conflict of this nature. I understand your fear of it being taller than BD, but I think that BD is such a unique tower that it will not be overshadowed by any other even if they are taller.

Conflicts like these have plagued mankind since the dawn of time... Blond or Brunette... :P

Any News?

^^ kinda, i read something in the news paper and it said " dubai is building the 2 tallest skyscrapers" they named the Burj Dubai and Al Burj !!

that are not the worst news :)

very nice pic http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3843/alburj7mz.jpg

think the al burj will be one of the first UC projects at waterfront like BD in Downtown...because it's that big!

Does anyone know if there have been any further developments since Cityscape? Or are we still in the dark as we have been since Al Burj was announced :S

I would love to have a larger copy of that cross-section pic released ages ago, the design of this tower is so interesting!

I've just rewritten the wikipedia article on this tower. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm crap at writing in general (I got a D in english) so someone could definitely improve. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj

^^hahaha, good on ya mate!

Im flat out at work but will have a look :-)

Edit: The annoying thing about Al Burj is we have so little data on it there really isnt much to write. Most of the info we have is hearsay and based on speculation. As much as I wish to know more, I accept we are simply going to have to be patience :S

So is this project dead or what?

So is this project dead or what?

No, we have had enough news to keep it alive but I have a feeling we wont hear anything firm until the final height for Burj Dubai is announced.

^^ they won't announce the final height for the Burj Dubai

Sigh... Megatower... The final height will be announced...

:lol:, of course it'll be announced, why shouldn't they do that megatower?

can we stop the bullshit posts please

today i was checking companies news and shares on the australian stock exchange and came across news of a super tall contract in dubai.further investigation into the matter on the web revealed a super tall tower even by dubai's standards at the dubai waterfront.
the company in question is australia's VDM group which is an engineering and consultancy firm.they have won the structural engineering consultancy for this project.could this tower be the al burj
here is the link (http://vdmg.com.au/market.html).it is a pdf file under the market news section.

http://i16.tinypic.com/312a44n.jpg

:cheers:

http://vdmg.com.au/downloads/ASX%20Announcement%20080307-1.pdf

It can only be Al Burj!!! ...or could it be something unreleased and unannounced that will trump Al Burj?

GREAT find cyborg81, this is the most interesting piece of news we have had relating to what may be the tallest structure in the world since I cannot remember when!

Can someone call them and ask whether its referring to Al Burj? :P

^^ Of course it IS Al Burj. It says in the article: "... will form the focal point of the new Dubai Waterfront ..."