Yes, the top heigh of Al Burj is 1200, and with antenna 1500m.

Sources, please.

The true height of Al Burj will be 1200m then, and NOT 1500. Antennas/Spires do NOT represent real height in my opinion!:nono:

Be careful driving in the desert Imre ;)

They are preparing for construction, this should be celebrated.

when this will be approved????//

not 100% sure but i believe it is already approved

Unless something MAJOR happen, this building is a go.

^^ but the renders so far are terrible!!

those are old, there not current. hopefully when we here something about it starting we should see new renders

^^ Absolutely, I think once they really start breaking ground on Al Burj we'll definitely see some new renders.

Should surpass Burj Dubai by at least 400m huh? Sure hope that 400m won't be all antenna/spire... 'cause if it is:bash:

The true height of Al Burj will be 1200m then, and NOT 1500. Antennas/Spires do NOT represent real height in my opinion!:nono:

Your opinion is hardly offical in any terms

^^ Maybe, maybe not, but is yours?

Look at the world forums. Info from Skytower


Piling will start on Monday!!!!

:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:

have sales started yet? If so, where? URL please!

Look at the world forums. Info from Skytower


Piling will start on Monday!!!!

:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:

NOT the piling, the SOIL TESTING.

^^OU DAMN!! He said piling. Shit!!! Commando back!!

How far is the plot from your place of work, Altin? Will you be able to see it pretty whenever it starts poking out of the ground?

^^ It is very far, and what's most important: It is in the middle of the desert.

^^ It is very far, and what's most important: It is in the middle of the desert.

That just means that there won't be any trees to get in the way of your view :lol:

maybe this plot:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5011/dubaiwaterfrontgroundwoqb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7480/imresolt91gw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5494/imresolt92el8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dubai Waterfront video by Nakheel


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I couldn't make out the fronds of the Palm Jebel Ali in the video.

^^OU DAMN!! He said piling. Shit!!! Commando back!!

Did you read what sky tower said:

"When I say piling, I don't mean pouring friction piles....I mean core test piling (2nd phase subterreanian deep pile soil testing)
I didn't want people jumping the gun thinking concrete was being poured or anything!"

I couldn't make out the fronds of the Palm Jebel Ali in the video.

Doesn't look like the Palm Jebel Ali - perhaps the start of the islands (with the scorpions claw) to the left of PJA?

that's what I thought - but the approach is pretty straight, like the trunk of the palm jum, where I currently live. Not at all curved like the scorpion tail curvature of the dubai waterfront.

^^ parts of this island will be removed later on i think to make create the island shape..

temporary for storage and traffic/construction purpose..

Surely that is Palm Deira in the YouTube video :doh:

hmm perhaps to soon be sure what is going on

it clearly says dubai waterfront.

more interesting:

Tenders for the Al-Burj tower, which is expected to be more than one kilometre tall, are expected by the end of 2007 (MEED 16:3:07

Nakheel has hinted that it will not compete with Emaar to build the tallest skyscraper in the world.

The company's Chief Executive Chris O'Donnell, revealed to Construction Week magazine, a sister title to Arabianbusiness.com, that he is not obsessed with tall buildings.
"Height isn't everything and biggest isn't best," he said in an exclusive interview. "What you have to do is come up with a building of real consequence and relevance. Look at the Sydney Opera House or Tower of London, they aren't the tallest, but they are iconic," he added.
Emaar's Burj Dubai is already the world's tallest structure - it overtook Taipei 101 this week at 512 metres - but Nakheel was rumoured to be planning a 1200 metre tower on the Dubai Waterfront development that will border the Palm Jebel Ali.
An earlier draft plan for the tower, which is expected to be called the Al Burj, mentioned a 1600 metre structure - literally a mile high skyscraper - according to some reports.

^^ :bash:

THATS JUST FRUSTRAITING, AMBIGUOUS AND ANNOYING!!

i think this is just to say " relax emaar, we are not competing with you, no need to go extremly tall" :sly:

THE WAR HAS BEGUN !! this only means one thing :O they are going HIGHER !

^^ Or maybe it means: "OOOOOOPPPPSSSSS ... we FORGOT about the new Jebel Ali Airport being build nearby" :runaway:


:lol:

Its so going to be bigger than Burj Dubai, thats just dumb if they don't build it taller.

Its just an ego thing between these two master developers Nakeel is just being sly they're actually saying "yea yea Emaar have your limelight with Burj Dubai for 3 years and then will come along and take your crown".

UAE developer Nakheel has indicated that its planned Al Burj skyscraper may not end up taller than the Burj Dubai. Nakheel CEO Chris O'Donnell told Construction Week that "height isn't everything" and that iconic buildings were more important. The Burj Dubai, being built by rival Emaar, is currently the tallest building in the world and is expected to be over 800 metres when completed. Nakheel's Al Burj tower was rumoured to end up 1200 metres.

""is expected to be over 800 metres when completed""

yeah it is , 818 meters to be exact , its kind of boring now since we know the height =(

Who will invest in the Dubai Waterfront and in Palm Jebel Ali if they don`t build a new tallest skyscraper?
They need the tower for advertising.

""is expected to be over 800 metres when completed""

yeah it is , 818 meters to be exact , its kind of boring now since we know the height =(

818 is the final height ?

Who will invest in the Dubai Waterfront and in Palm Jebel Ali if they don`t build a new tallest skyscraper?
They need the tower for advertising.

To be honest I'd much rather this ugly ass tower to not be in my view.

Agree that it doesnt have to be the tallest to be an icon,i.e Burj Al Arab,
but it def helps to be the city with the worlds tallest building for the prestige
and if Dubai wants to be up there wth London,New York etc then it needs to have the worlds tallest.If they can build it with a unique design which I don't think Burj Dubai has then all the better.Question is how long will Burj be the tallest before Al Burj beats it or another tower in another city

time will tell ..

i infer that nakheel have shelved the plans to build a higher tower than burj dubai for the time being.it's temporary cos they are waiting to see whether other plans in the region to build higher towers come to fruit.if they do see a tangible threat they are gonna ramp up the hyperbole of seriously building this tower.if jeddah goes ahead and builds the mile high tower,then i think sheikh mo is not gonna sit back and watch the show.so guys be patient cos there might be a big surprise in the next couple of years and an even bigger tower - maybe not the al burj. height > 1600m.

Nobody knows what the f**k is happening! That's all we do actually know! Nakheel have to go higher with Al Burj imo! No sense in going to all that trouble of building another 800-818m building, now is there?:weird: That would be just plain dumb!:bash:

At the very least it should top out at 1000m! 1200m would be much better though! The Waterfront needs such a huge building purely to advertise it! And it will work:yes:

It's just a waiting game now... so fingers crossed.:cheers:

:lol:

Nobody knows what the f**k is happening! That's all we do actually know! Nakheel have to go higher with Al Burj imo! No sense in going to all that trouble of building another 800-818m building, now is there?:weird: That would be just plain dumb!:bash:

At the very least it should top out at 1000m! 1200m would be much better though! The Waterfront needs such a huge building purely to advertise it! And it will work:yes:

It's just a waiting game now... so fingers crossed.:cheers:

This is what I want to see at Dubai Waterfront!

If this doesn't do the job for Dubai Waterfront then nothing else on earth will!

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3994/2e1zjbakw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nakheel have to go higher with Al Burj imo! No sense in going to all that trouble of building another 800-818m building, now is there?

I agree! If they going to go as high as 818 meter, throw a 200 meter antenna atop it, for love of god! It would be nuts if they did not. :nuts:

I hope they gona stick to the 1,200 meter aim... Then, maybe slap a 200 meter antenna on it :hahaha:

^^ I do like the way your brain functions my friend.:okay:

:hilarious :rofl:

This is what I want to see at Dubai Waterfront!

If this doesn't do the job for Dubai Waterfront then nothing else on earth will!

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3994/2e1zjbakw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: I'm going crazy if I imagine this

Check this out Stephan23...

Straight out of Star Wars:yes: :cheers: :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3711/alburjcopyzs0ni9.png (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3821/4vrdbuejm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=291398

^^ that's beyond insanity!!:lol:

I guess the pinnicle design will be scraped if they want somthing iconic.

^^ that's beyond insanity!!:lol:

Should suit me right down to the ground then eh?:lol:

Yeah I can see myself sitting up there with my pipe and slippers doing my crossword puzzles.:lol:

I guess the pinnicle design will be scraped if they want somthing iconic.

What makes you think that? Looks awesome to me! A few changes here and there for sure, but if they build this thing to 1200m at the very least then it will become iconic overnight!

posted in the world forums: http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index...icle&id=497205

you need to post the entire link ;)

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=497205

Marwan Al Qamzi "What I can tell you is, yes, it will be built, but the site is still to be confirmed. However, we still believe it will be the tallest."

Well, that doesn't tell me very much at all...:ohno: Obviously I'm extremely happy it will be built... but they have yet to even confirm the site, nevermind get around to building the f*****g thing!!!:bash: I'm not over-optimistic either by the way Al Qamzi said "we still believe it will be tallest" Now that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence...:ohno: They have to go taller than BD - just plain stupid to build another 800-818m tower!:bash: Al Burj has to be 1200m at the very least!!!

Come on, lets go!!! Lets build the f*****g thing!!! What the hell is everyone waiting for?

:gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

Well, chalk up another false story that Skytower fed us just to be contradicted by developers. He told us that the plot was chosen and ground works beginning but now we find that this was false :bash:
I'm about to the point where I'm just going to start assuming everything he tells us is false :ohno: :ohno:

^^ Tell me about it, I've just about had enough of all this crap we've been fed as well! :bash: One minute it's over there, then it's over here and now even Nakheel themselves don't even know where the hell it's gonna be yet! :bash: Unbelievable!:ohno:

You know what mate? I'm not gonna believe another word anyone tells me about where the true site for Al Burj will be, until I actually "see" the thing rising from the sand with my own two eyes!

^^Your missing the point.

SkyTower has inside info. This info changes all the time. Just like the height of the Burj Dubai has changed.

^^ I know this, that's what we're saying!:bash:

The information does seem to change constantly so basically nobody knows where the hell Al Burj is going! Not right now anyway! :ohno:

Well, as I've said already, I'm just gonna take it all in with a pinch of salt from now on and simply wait until I actually "see" concrete being poured! Then I'll believe it! Of course, it's like every other project in Dubai... constantly changing from one week to the next...

It would drive you to the bottle mate.:cheers: :lol: :lol:

^^Your missing the point.

SkyTower has inside info. This info changes all the time. Just like the height of the Burj Dubai has changed.

No he doesn't. His lies just pile higher and higher. If you think that a project can go from "starting work in three days" to "site hasn't been chosen yet", well then I don't know what to say. Inside information? He lied about Professor Besix. Now it is clear he lied about "Duncan McKenzie" (who has supposedly told him two things: one, that BD was going to be "higher than everyone thinks" when we now know that's not true, and two that Al Burj started a couple weeks ago ground works which we have just discovered is not true) and if you believe his bullocks about hacking into Emaar's server, them finding out and trying to stop him, and then just giving up for a couple of weeks because he was "too good for them" before finally the Sheikh himself
made him pull it off, well I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you cheap.

I am SICK AND TIRED of being yanked around by big news that ends up not being true so some bastard can have his sport with us. It makes me unspeakably angry. :bleep: :bleep: :bleep: :bleep:

^^ Absolutely! Couldn't agree more with every word there! I may be half asleep here but I'll tell ya, I'm still f*****g angry about this twat jerking everybody around like we're five years old or something!:bash: SkyTower = Bollocks!!!

What is really getting under my skin is this blatant lie some weeks ago that ground work had already begun on Al Burj... What? Geeez what a pile of crap!!!:mad2: What does he take us for? :bash: It's little wonder we don't know whether we're coming or going around here at times!

We now know that they haven't even confirmed the site yet, or excavated one shovel of sand...:mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

^^

My friend Duncan McKenzie (chief construction engineer), he's just come from the Dancing Towers site from ground testing. He won't be staying at the Al Burj site sadly, he'll be going back to the Dancing Towers site soon, but he will be a great source of info in the future as both of his 2 best friends are involved throughout its construction (one as its site engineer and one as its head of logistics....which I'm yet to be introduced to)

[EDIT] When I say piling, I don't mean pouring friction piles....I mean core test piling (2nd phase subterreanian deep pile soil testing)
I didn't want people jumping the gun thinking concrete was being poured or anything!

Latest design is now 1,050 metres, with 850 main structure and 200 m spire. 228 floors.

^^ Interesting news. Is there an article online?

Thanks.

http://www.meed.com/nav?page=meed.article&fixture_story=6950328&title=Search%20Result

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Latest design is now 1,050 metres, with 850 main structure and 200 m spire. 228 floors.

Well, I'm pretty sceptical about anything I hear on Al Burj now, the story literally changes by the week, but if this has any truth to it then I guess I can live with 1,050m. With a main structure of 850m that's well past BD! The good news here is that it will be higher than Burj Dubai!:banana:

Should be 1200-1600m though! :bash:

Nakheel designs 1km-high tower
CONSTRUCTION UAE
10 Aug 2007
Building to dwarf rival Burj Dubai development



The Tall Tower project being planned by Nakheel will be 1,050 metres tall, comfortably exceeding the height of the rival Burj Dubai and making it the world’s tallest building.

Nakheel has kept the tower’s height a closely guarded secret as it waits for its more advanced rival, being developed by Emaar Properties, to reach its final height later this year. However, MEED has confirmed that design plans show the tower to be more than 1 kilometre tall, at 1,050 metres.

“At that height, the Tall Tower will definitely be taller than the Burj Dubai,” says a source working on the Burj Dubai. “Emaar has not announced the full height, but the contractors are working to plans for a 700-metre tower, and we expect its final height to be about 800 metres.”

The Burj Dubai became the world’s tallest building on 21 July, at 512 metres, and is due to be completed in 2008.

Designs for the Tall Tower show 228 floors, a four-level basement and one service sub-level – a total built-up area of 1.49 million square metres with 492,000 square metres of useable space. It will house offices, apartments and hotels. The top habitable floor will be at 850 metres, topped by a 200-metre central spire with a three-level function area and three service floors.

However, the location of the tower could change again. It was originally called Al-Burj and destined for Palm Jumeirah, before becoming part of the Dubai Waterfront scheme. Nakheel is still reviewing its options.

“The site has never been fixed and has always been under review in the context of the strategic plan for Dubai,” says a spokesperson for the developer.

According to industry sources, the tower has been forced to move to the Ibn Battuta mall area as it violated Department of Civil Aviation height restrictions because of its proximity to the new Dubai World Central airport at Jebel Ali. Nakheel denies this. “No height restrictions have been placed on Nakheel in the waterfront area by the Department of Civil Aviation,” says the spokesperson.

Tenders for the contract to build the tower are expected early in 2008. Meanwhile, several consultants and contractors are assisting Nakheel with the project. “No pre-construction contract has been awarded or considered at this stage,” says the spokesperson. “We are talking to large-scale contractors, including [Japan’s] Taisei Corporation, to assist with the buildability analysis of the early design of the superstructure.”

The consultancy team includes UK-based WSP, US-based Leslie E Robertson Associates and Australia’s Woods Bagot (MEED 16:3:07).

www.meed.com/construction

R

so let's see.. for me this is still all :blahblah:

great news, for me it is not only blabla ^^

There isn't a whole lot of new news here for me... same old story actually. So, we've established that no-one knows where Al Burj will be built yet....and the height has changed yet again:gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

Originally Al Burj was 1600m, then it was 1200m and now it's 1,050m... hmm...seems to be getting shorter all the time....:ohno: :bash:

Well, 1,050m will do I suppose, but it's becoming painfully obvious now that we won't actually "see" any king of significant progress in construction above ground for a looooog time on Al Burj!:ohno: Could be two to three years yet...???

^^ I wouldn't be surprised to see another decrease in height. Pretty much all of Nakheel's big projects are being scaled down.

the plan is to build higher than Burj Dubai....that means they've to go over 818m. so i think the will not go under 1000m because it is simply a magical mark for towers

Nakheel designs 1km-high tower
CONSTRUCTION UAE
10 Aug 2007

... According to industry sources, the tower has been forced to move to the Ibn Battuta mall area as it violated Department of Civil Aviation height restrictions because of its proximity to the new Dubai World Central airport at Jebel Ali.

Some food for thought:

Didn't the planned 460 meters Regent Hotel for Canal Point, that is not far from Ibn Battuta was cancelled in that location?

Didn't the route of Arabian Canal in that area was diverted?

:nuts:

^^ I wouldn't be surprised to see another decrease in height. Pretty much all of Nakheel's big projects are being scaled down.

the plan is to build higher than Burj Dubai....that means they've to go over 818m. so i think the will not go under 1000m because it is simply a magical mark for towers

I sure hope there isn't another cut in the overall height of Al Burj, but I'm getting a feeling you could be right here Hollie Maea.:ohno: Surely they can't reduce the height much more than they already have? That could be potentially a massive blunder ie Mubarak Tower in Kuwait comes in at 1001m! Hypothetically speaking, if Mubarak was to beat Al Burj purely on height alone...then what? Then Dubai has to build yet another supertall to beat Mubarak...or anyone else who may come along? If they genuinely want the WTB of course!?

Yes, it's really cool that it will be taller than Burj Dubai no doubt, but I'm hoping you're right here ZZ-II and they do not go under 1000m! Can I have that in writing please?:)

also the mubarak tower has good chances to become build. so when nakheel want to build the tallest on earth for a longer time they have to build over 1000m.

^^ This is exactly my fear if they scale Al Burj down any further:ohno: Mubarak is looking like a real certainty and you can bet they will go to 1001m, if not further... so Dubai will be forced to build taller again...when they should have done this in the first place!:nuts:

Some food for thought:

Didn't the planned 460 meters Regent Hotel for Canal Point, that is not far from Ibn Battuta was cancelled in that location?

Didn't the route of Arabian Canal in that area was diverted?

:nuts:

I think you're right here as that does ring a bell somehow... sorry if I'm wrong though...

According to industry sources, the tower has been forced to move to the Ibn Battuta mall area as it violated Department of Civil Aviation height restrictions because of its proximity to the new Dubai World Central airport at Jebel Ali. Nakheel denies this. “No height restrictions have been placed on Nakheel in the waterfront area by the Department of Civil Aviation,” says the spokesperson.

^^ Hope this isn't more crap!!! The Waterfront needs Al Burj!!!:cheers:

ive seen pics and diagrams of the al burj and the towers next to it are about half its size. so is that a mistake or are they actually gonna do that?

Well, marconi101, there will be nothing that even comes close to Al Burj at the Waterfront, from what we know anyway.... this old-ish model below will give you some idea of what we're dealing with... Big Al is magnificent!!!:cheers:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8832/alburjtower2ne8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Knowing Kuwait, I really dont think there is any chance of all of the Mubarak tower being built, at least within the next 25 years.

^^ The guys at Nakheel might be very happy to hear about that!? The 25 years I mean. :lol: Especially if Al Burj does top out at under 1001m! I don't think it will though because they know they have to go significantly higher than Burj Dubai. I don't think they have a choice now as there are several other new super-tall proposals around the world. Big Al has got to be absolutely colossal so Dubai can sit back and bask in the glory!:banana:

What if they stick this thing in the big open space in Marina? :D

^^ sounds good 2 me

What if they stick this thing in the big open space in Marina? :D

^^ :lol:

That would put the wind up a lot of people eh?:lol: Put a whole new complexion on the Marina I think.:lol: Let 'em stick it in the Marina and then they could build that skybridge from Big Al to Burj Dubai!:lol:

great news!
so i guess the title needs to be changed for this thread?

So what's this then?



maybe this plot:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5011/dubaiwaterfrontgroundwoqb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Nothing is for sure here, so let's wait and see.

^^ That's a rectangle of course.;)

Only kidding.:lol: Is there still activity at this site? And what is that machinery/construction equipment there in the middle of that plot? Soil testing, or what?

There is definitely something going up there, I mean they haven't fenced off such a massive plot for nothing huh? What a great location for Al Burj... hopefully...

Here is the same plot obviously, just different perspective.

This is where Big Al should go IMO!:banana:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6297/dubaiwaterfrontgroundwowf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

don't be so sure tate ;). they still have to choose the location for the tower...so this is maybe not the construction site

^^ Didn't say this is where Al Burj is going ZZ-II, I said this is where I think it should go!;)

:horse:

ups, i read wrong ^^

^^ ZZ-II, I wonder why it's taking Nakheel so long to come to a decision about where Al Burj should be situated? I mean, if it's going to be at the Waterfront then what's the problem? There is all the space in the world out there right now.....so what's going on?:ohno: The Waterfront is the obvious choice in the end.... surely?

^^ Most likely, they are trying to hammer out an agreement with the JBX people.

^^ Hmm.... thanks mate!:) Hopefully things will come together soon and Al Burj will finally see the light of day.:cheers:

Of all the buildings going up in Dubai Al Burj is the one I want to "see" rising the most!!!:yes: :banana: Right now it's all about Burj Dubai.....but BIG AL is going to change all that!!! :cheers:

:banana: :banana: :banana: GO AL BURJ!!!:banana: :banana: :banana:

wow!!! that possible plot for the Al Burj is increadably huge!

^^ Yes, hopefully this is exactly where Al Burj will go and Nakheel can finally put us all out of our misery by announcing that information very soon!

yep, it would be nice if they finally choose a spot.

Do you think they could plant some Vines out there? Maybe kick back on a deck chair with a nice bottle of wine and watch BIG Al rise? :lol: :lol:

I really like this image as it shows the distance between Al Burj (potential plot) and Burj Dubai. I believe it's 41kms between the two.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2686/alburj4bf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I find Nakheel's apparent indecision disconcerting. First it was going to be on the Palm, then at the Waterfront, now? Having so much trouble deciding where to put the thing, when they have all of the land and sea at their disposal, doesn't bode well for their ability to pull the whole thing off. It suggests incompetence, corporate-infighting, and other symptoms of poor business practice.

^^ You make a good point here GoDubai! You would think that after all these years they could finally come to a decision....I mean it's absolutely rediculous when you think about it. With all that land available to Nakheel and they still can't agree/make up their minds on where Al Burj should go....:ohno: This can't be doing their reputation any good either! I mean what the hell is wrong with that plot at the top of this page? It's perfect for Al Burj! Why can't they just stop all of the f*****g squabbling once and for all and just get on with it!:bash: I personally find all of this very frustrating!:ohno: :bash:

^ You two should stop trying to sound like you know anything about the land development business. It's much more complicated than just picking a spot and starting construction.

Shame you got told ha ha ha ha :lol: :lol: :lol:

As MetalliTool said is not that easy.

- The Palm soil can't support such a huge building with such a massive height, plus it would have looked ridiculous.
- The Waterfront location seams to have a problem with the light path of the new Jebel Ali Airport, which we have been mentioning from time to time for at least a year.

Let's wait and see.

^^ Well yeah, I mean Al Burj (Pinnacle) has been removed from Palm Jumeirah for a very long time now, and rightly so, it would have looked stupid and waaaay out of place there, but you'd think after all these years they could come up with a definite location.... I know it's not easy as Al Burj will be so massive, but still, how long have they been talking about this building? If it comes right down to it and there are just too many problems with the Waterfront or wherever else then it will have to go in the city....probably close to that super-tall block? Or just find another plot adequate enough to take Al Burj somewhere in that general area....if there are any?

^ You two should stop trying to sound like you know anything about the land development business. It's much more complicated than just picking a spot and starting construction.

And you do know I suppose!? Well why don't you build Al Burj then smart guy? I may be no expert in construction, never claimed to be, but I am an expert in business affairs, I've spent my entire life running various businesses, but this is dragging on now to the point where people who really do want to see Al Burj get built simply not caring any more! We all know you don't just pick a spot and that's it, that's pretty obvious, but it is becoming a bit of a joke! One thing is for sure, Nakheel do need to pull their finger out and start making a genuine attempt at building Al Burj!

Why don't you skip out there to Dubai and fill them in where they are going wrong then? Because I would really love to see that! I really would! I want to see Al Burj get up and running just as much if not more than anyone on here!:lol:

a total built-up area of 1.49 million square metres with 492,000 square metres of useable space.


Huh? This is confusing, so they're saying only 1/3 of the space in the tower will actually be usable?

^^Malec have I missed something?

Why has the height in the thread changed and where does the info about the area of the tower come from?

Read back 2 or 3 pages

Thx, I remeber reading that now, but as most people, I just thought it was :blahblah:

:lol:

insanity.. I doubt Nakheel can pull this one off

Saturday, August 18, 2007
Nakheel Designs Al Burj: 1,050m Tower in Dubai

Al Burj

Al Burj (The Tall Tower) project being planned by Nakheel will be 1,050 metres tall, comfortably exceeding the height of the rival Burj Dubai and making it the world’s tallest building.

Nakheel has kept the tower’s height a closely guarded secret as it waits for its more advanced rival, being developed by Emaar Properties, to reach its final height later this year. However, MEED has confirmed that design plans show the tower to be more than 1 kilometre tall, at 1,050 metres.

“At that height, the Tall Tower will definitely be taller than the Burj Dubai,” says a source working on the Burj Dubai. “Emaar has not announced the full height, but the contractors are working to plans for a 700-metre tower, and we expect its final height to be about 800 metres.”

The Burj Dubai became the world’s tallest building on 21 July, at 512 metres, and is due to be completed in 2008.

Designs for the Tall Tower show 228 floors, a four-level basement and one service sub-level – a total built-up area of 1.49 million square metres with 492,000 square metres of useable space. It will house offices, apartments and hotels. The top habitable floor will be at 850 metres, topped by a 200-metre central spire with a three-level function area and three service floors.

However, the location of the tower could change again. It was originally called Al-Burj and destined for Palm Jumeirah, before becoming part of the Dubai Waterfront scheme. Nakheel is still reviewing its options.

“The site has never been fixed and has always been under review in the context of the strategic plan for Dubai,” says a spokesperson for the developer.

According to industry sources, the tower has been forced to move to the Ibn Battuta mall area as it violated Department of Civil Aviation height restrictions because of its proximity to the new Dubai World Central airport at Jebel Ali. Nakheel denies this. “No height restrictions have been placed on Nakheel in the waterfront area by the Department of Civil Aviation,” says the spokesperson.

Tenders for the contract to build the tower are expected early in 2008. Meanwhile, several consultants and contractors are assisting Nakheel with the project. “No pre-construction contract has been awarded or considered at this stage,” says the spokesperson. “We are talking to large-scale contractors, including [Japan’s] Taisei Corporation, to assist with the buildability analysis of the early design of the superstructure.”

posted by Fahad Al Mahmood @ 10:07 AM UAE Local Time|

great news ..

Good news, except that it'll be a long time until the construction starts.

228 floors, that's much!!!! :omg:

And 1050 meters is the double height as Burj Dubai at the moment :nuts:

I love the way it reads "Nakheel have kept the final height a closely guarded secret" and then goes on to say "but we've learnt its 1050m". Nicely guarded Nakheel. Muppets.

whtaaaaaaaaaaa 228F n 1050 M again plz :nuts: :nuts: by 5 years from now and could be delay:runaway:

And 1050 meters is the double height as Burj Dubai at the moment :nuts:

amazing, never thought about that fact!!

1001 m would be easy to remember ;)

Well, just as long as Al Burj tops out at 1050m then that's fine by me! Remember, top habitable floor will be at 850m... well past Burj Dubai on completion! :banana:

i think it's rubbish
i don't trust all this

^^ That's exactly what Kofi Annan said when Bush first announced his intention to invade Iraq.

^^ And that's a goddamn fact!:yes:


:shifty:

This tower is a monster! Its way too wide!

^^ Too wide? Well it better be wide 'cause you're looking 200+ floors right in the face here! I suppose you could say it is monstrous, but in a good way I think.... Al Burj is gonna be the mother of all skyscrapers but we're in for the long haul here I'm afraid!:yes:

BIG AL is magnificent! I just hate the thought of having to wait so many years to "see" it completed!:bash: Burj Dubai will have a nice long stay at the top until Al Burj finally pushes it aside!

i agree , n i realize that dubai can do anything impossible to get no 1 city ...

And 1050 meters is the double height as Burj Dubai at the moment :nuts:

An amazing statistic alright! How many people here would seriously contemplate living up there on 170/180/190? Maybe if you happen to be a raving psychotic or just slightly unhinged then great!!!:crazy2: :lol: What a magnificent sight Al Burj will be though!!!:cheers:

2011 = In Dubai stand the highest and the second highest tower in the World!

http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Party/45.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/)

2011 = In Dubai stand the highest and the second highest tower in the World!

http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Party/45.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/)

say inshallah it will be soo nice :)

2011? :hahaha:

probably it will be just over-ground in 2011

2013 is more likely if they start by next year

Well, the way things are going it could quite possibly be 2017 before we see Al Burj topped out!

2013 is more likely if they start by next year

5 years for reaching ground level? seems a bit much for me. burj dubai was faster and is also an mega-big project.

I think Krazy meant the completion date, not the over-ground date.

Al burj is clearly years off yet...I mean they can't even decide on an exact location for this building, nevermind start breaking ground! You'll be lucky indeed if Al Burj is above ground by 2013! If - and that's a BIG if - they start excavating next year, then piling and constructing the foundations of Al Burj then 2012-2013 for getting above ground is a very good bet!

Nice night time shot of Big Al here.

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/4683/4i57ojmua5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1074/img0779gg0az0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Anyone know how old this model could be?

I think Krazy meant the completion date, not the over-ground date.

No way Al Burj will be completed by 2013! It's not impossible though...but they'd literally have to RUN with it to finish in five years!

...^^ Anyone know how old this model could be?

That looks like cityscape back in Dec 2006.

^^ Thanks Domenico!:D

That model has only about 168 floors. Unless of couse some of them are double, then the figure can rise to about 180 (though they don't look like they're double). It means with the new design (if it stays true to the original) we are talking about two full additional sections and then some. That's massive.

Al burj is clearly years off yet...I mean they can't even decide on an exact location for this building, nevermind start breaking ground! You'll be lucky indeed if Al Burj is above ground by 2013! If - and that's a BIG if - they start excavating next year, then piling and constructing the foundations of Al Burj then 2012-2013 for getting above ground is a very good bet!

Nice night time shot of Big Al here.

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/4683/4i57ojmua5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1074/img0779gg0az0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Anyone know how old this model could be?

magnificent view whataa tower

That model has only about 168 floors. Unless of couse some of them are double, then the figure can rise to about 180 (though they don't look like they're double). It means with the new design (if it stays true to the original) we are talking about two full additional sections and then some. That's massive.

Yes, I agree, you could very well be looking at two complete additional sections here Blizzy if Al Burj is indeed to come in at 228 floors! Now that really is one HUGE tower!!!:nuts: Clearly head and shoulders above Burj Dubai!:)

magnificent view whataa tower

Magnificent indeed! Al Burj will be the mother of all skyscrapers without doubt! The biggest and greatest tower the world has ever seen! Now that's worth celebrating!!!:cheers: A true testament to human achievement and will bring a real sense of greatness to Dubai IMO! IF Al Burj is everything it's meant to be of course!?

No other city/country in the world is building towers like these... 21st century towers for a 21st century city! Right now, the future IS Dubai!!!

^^ LOL, come to think of it, a hundred years ago New Yorkers must have thought the same about the 213m high, 50-storey MetLife Tower. And look how those numbers were pathetic at the end of the 20th century. I wonder if the height and floor count of the Al Burj will be laughable as well by the end of the 21st, though I won't be around here anymore to see for myself.

really unbelievable. a city which has 2 tallest structures on earth...both over 800m tall, damn!!!

^^ LOL, come to think of it, a hundred years ago New Yorkers must have thought the same about the 213m high, 50-storey MetLife Tower. And look how those numbers were pathetic at the end of the 20th century. I wonder if the height and floor count of the Al Burj will be laughable as well by the end of the 21st, though I won't be around here anymore to see for myself.

Absolutely, you can only imagine what people were thinking looking up at a completed Empire State Building back in the 30's... Now, it almost looks ridiculous in comparison with most of the towers that are going up in Dubai! A wonderful building (ESB) indeed for its time...but these new-breed towers are just immense and don't look like they're going to have any competition any time soon!

Well Blizzy, NONE of us will be around to know who'll be laughing at what! :lol: I'm more than sure that there will be a serious attempt though to even blow Al Burj away within two decades!

really unbelievable. a city which has 2 tallest structures on earth...both over 800m tall, damn!!!

And Dubai will stay waaaay ahead of any other city in the world with 818m and 1050m buildings for a very long time too! They'll most probably have several of the world's tallest structures at the same time!:nuts: :)

imagine a bungee-jumping from top of Al-burj :lol:

imagine a bungee-jumping from top of Al-burj :lol:

^^ Sounds good to me Amrafel!:lol:

better make a parachute jump ^^

^^ Yes, that just might be a much better idea ZZ-II! :lol:

I heard that Al Burj is scaled back under Burj Dubai. Is that correct?
By the way, some people think Al Burj has a better design than Burj Dubai. But if you want to go that high Burj Dubai design is definitely better than Al Burj. A perfect solution against statical challenges... Making it thick and bulky will create more problems. Anyone studied architecture, industrial design or statical engineering can tell this.

http://www.ameinfo.com/127539.html

I heard that Al Burj is scaled back under Burj Dubai. Is that correct?
By the way, some people think Al Burj has a better design than Burj Dubai. But if you want to go that high Burj Dubai design is definitely better than Al Burj. A perfect solution against statical challenges... Making it thick and bulky will create more problems. Anyone studied architecture, industrial design or statical engineering can tell this.

http://www.ameinfo.com/127539.html

Yeah, I heard that some months back, but right now Al Burj stands at 1050m with 228 floors. Hopefully this is where it will remain at!

IMO Al Burj does have the better design over Burj Dubai, but you're right about this (thick and bulky) creating more problems when it comes to the actual build. But it should still be a great challenge for everyone involved with this project. Al burj will be immense and a real spectacle for all true skyscraper enthusiasts!

better make a parachute jump ^^

You would land in Sri Lanka.

^^ ... on top of an elephant doing the daily water refreshing routine. Should feel lucky they don't have that much ivory bling compared to their African cousins.:yes:

Dubai developer Nakheel is looking to fund construction of a mega-tower that could eclipse the Burj Dubai as the world’s tallest building.

The company wants to borrow as much as $3 billion over the next 12 months to fund more projects, including the skyscraper that may rival the Burj Dubai, Nakheel CEO Chris O’Donnell told Bloomberg on Wednesday.

In the report O’Donnell did not give any further details about the skyscraper, but the funding is likely to be for Nakheel’s 'Tall Tower Project'. The project, previously called Al Burj, is a colossal tower that will reportedly be over one kilometre in height.

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If correct, the tower will be significantly taller than rival developer Emaar’s Burj Dubai, which is expected to measure between 700 and 900 metres once complete.

Neither developer has specified the exact height of their respective structures, and Nakheel has been keen to play down any competition between the two.

O’Donnell said in July that “height isn’t everything and biggest isn’t best” when it comes to building an iconic tower.

“What you have to do is come up with a building of real consequence and relevance. Look at the Sydney Opera House or Tower of London, they aren't the tallest, but they are iconic,” he was quoted as saying.

The firm's executive director for investment projects, Robert Lee, told ArabianBusiness.com last month that the company does have a tall tower project in the pipeline, but pointed out “a tallest tower is a fleeting thing”.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/501975-nakheel-looking-to-finance-burj-dubai-beater?ln=en

I've got 126 Dhs saved in my son's piggy bank on the book shelf, if that helps Nakheel. We should all have a whip round. In fact, I'll go around Al-Quoz's Construction Worker City tomorrow to see if I can get those tight workers to cough up some of their excess salaries towards this worthy charitable cause of Nakheel... to reach the record books.

WANKERS. If you don't have the money, why bother? Cretinous attention-seekers. :ohno:

....jayzus they had enough trouble replacing a scuffed bogseat in my shoreline so f**k knows how they'll get on in their dick-swinging competition with Emaar...

^^ ... on top of an elephant doing the daily water refreshing routine. Should feel lucky they don't have that much ivory bling compared to their African cousins.:yes:

Silly AltinD, I meant on Sri Lanka island, part of "The World project"! :bash:
:lol:

i found this web site
http://www.al-burj-dubai.com/

i know this site, it is quite old...and no new information since a long time

It seems they will go ahead. I wonder why.. or maybe they are really too stupid to realise JXB is coming...

that site is just random..

Nakheel is now just run by a bunch of desperately seeking Susans. It's official. If you go up to them at Cityscape and ask them, they won't deny it.

i think with extention (ae) offical more then (com )

^^ No one ever had a doubt that the site might be official. ;)

catsh me dude ;)

^^ :)

Without doubt, the coolest/nicest guy on this forum!:yes: There are many here who should take a leaf out of this guy's book!

Rock on Bizzy!:rock:

Al Burj, after 98 days I got the answer from the Nakheel

"Your request has been updated. Here are the details of the update.

From: Lamis Aboudi (Admin)
Subject: RE: Material Request: Imre Solt
Type: Material Request
Date: Oct 07-07 (Age: 98 dys, 20.9 hrs)

State: CLOSED
Urgency: LOW

Please note AlBurj rendering is being updated, kindly contact us next month.

Regards"

LOL. Nice one Imre.

So we might indeed see about it on CS.. will be interesting. probably smaller.. but i guess still same design..

I visited Nakheel stand at Cityscape where they had showcased the new map of Dubai which I personally think was amazing but suprisingly there was no sign of this tower on the map or at least it was not that prominent to be noticed.

And where exactly do you suppose they place it on the map given that they haven't actually decided the location of the tower yet?

Al Burj is NOT going to be built in Dubai Waterfront.

Yes. It's now actually in International City, Phase 4. :lol:

Al Burj is NOT going to be built in Dubai Waterfront.

huh, where will it be then, Al Bawadi ? :dunno:

The Nakheel Sales Department executive (he really had an idea i think) told me it could be near Ibn Battuta, but was definetly moved from DW due to the new airport.

Jesuz, i'm off to buy a studio at DG overlooking IBM!

This is VERY interesting, thank you for the info dubaiflo!

Ive had a look around for info on Ibn Battuta and its location but could only find a couple of threads with 1 in particular having some very funny reactions of yours to the power plant there :D ...I know Ibn Battuta is next to Sheikh Zayed Road but at what height?

Can someone upload a map outlining where Al Burj may be plz?

OK, so we've all now established that no one here knows where the f**k Al Burj is going!:bash:

Why not stick it on Palm Deira? God knows it's gonna be big enough! The palm I mean.

OK, so we've all now established that no one here knows where the f**k Al Burj is going!:bash:

Why not stick it on Palm Deira? God knows it's gonna be big enough! The palm I mean.

Can't do that, it'd be in the way of the other airport then

the uae island on the world?

Seriously, i think the top of jebal ali maybe?

they are gonna need to move the com station soon anyways, if they havent already.

Can't do that, it'd be in the way of the other airport then

What about PJA then? And please don't tell me it could be in the way of yet another airport!?:lol:

Thats next to dubai waterfront, so the first airport is still in the way.

^^Oh for God's sake!:bash: :lol:

Why not just put Al Burj out in the water then? Kinda like Burj Al Arab...but further out. Could be done I suppose...

I'm also surprised they haven't ever considered building the airport/s (at least I think they've never considered this anyway?) way out in the water as they did in Japan with Kansai airport in Osaka Bay.

Becuase that land would be valuable, and inland desert is a lot cheaper.

The location is where they wanted to build the Canal Point with the 460 meter tall Regent Hotel.

... in front of the octapus buildings basically. :runaway:

^^ So that would be at the other mouth of the Arabian Canal?

^^ If they build it there indeed, then yes.

BTW the site was first given to KM Properties to develop the so called Jumeirah West project and they were planning there a very tall tower like the one in Park Square. I even remember to have seen in the site a KM Properties board, advertising plots for lease.

Those guys got screwed on both their planned projects :D

You mean the tallest tower in the world will now be next to the arse end of the marina, overlooking the power station ? :nuts:

^^ Yes, and the occupants will use the power lines passing around to hang their loundry, since hanging them from their balconies rails is ilegal.

You mean the tallest tower in the world will now be next to the arse end of the marina, overlooking the power station ? :nuts:

^^Yes, and the occupants will use the power lines passing around to hang their loundry, since hanging them from their balconies rails is ilegal.

^^You've got to be f*****g kidding here?:bash: Is that a definite then?

^^ Yes, and the occupants will use the power lines passing around to hang their loundry, since hanging them from their balconies rails is ilegal.

:lol:

YES. and it is perfectly fine like that. they should forbid satellite dishes on the balconies too if u ask me, at least in some areas.

anyway, this at the mouth of the arabian canal? no way, how should they.. the mouth will not be developed i think. it is just that the water actually goes out and boats can pass, but they won't get more land in the area.

^^ Flo, I totally agree with the rule forbiting satellite dishes on the balconies ... my two dishes are on the roof. :D

^^ You mean like this :lol:

http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Tehran%20satellite%20dishes.jpg

^^ The roof of my building here in Dubai looks like that actually.

Back home we just put them in the balconies, in the windows, wherever is possible and the reception is good, but not on the rooftops; there's where the water tanks go. :D

^^ You mean like this :D

http://www.textually.org/tv/archives/archives/images/set2/pimpsat.jpg

Is it not possible to have one big dish on the top and cable the signal to each apartment ?

It actually is but everyone will receive the same programs then.

Aside, I am not sure how many you could actually connect on to one dish but basically you can use the average home one for 3 or 4 receivers as far as i know.

Anyway, i don't mind them being on the roof.. but same marina towers, especially the smaller ones, actually have them on the balconies.

^^ GOOD GOD!!! :shocked::shocked::shocked:

^^ You mean like this :D

http://www.textually.org/tv/archives/archives/images/set2/pimpsat.jpg

Is it not possible to have one big dish on the top and cable the signal to each apartment ?

Yeah ... only that the dishes themselvs are not decorated.

^^ You mean like this :D

http://www.textually.org/tv/archives/archives/images/set2/pimpsat.jpg

Is it not possible to have one big dish on the top and cable the signal to each apartment ?

where is this pic taken?

OK, so we've all now established that no one here knows where the f**k Al Burj is going!:bash:

Why not stick it on Palm Deira? God knows it's gonna be big enough! The palm I mean.

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Can you say if it will be taller than Burj Dubai?

^^ Flo, I totally agree with the rule forbiting satellite dishes on the balconies ... my two dishes are on the roof. :D

Hmm..one is regular Showtime, I wonder what the other one could be for???

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Ok so wrong Height and Location :) How about wrong / different design ?

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

hahaha, so finaly some 'news' from the inside... I was wondering when someone would throw some fuel on this project :nuts:

Thx for sharing SA Boy... :)

Hmm..one is regular Showtime, I wonder what the other one could be for???

Yeah one is for Showtime but not supplied by them, I paid for it myself more then 6 years ago and I'm not seeing anything since early April due to me being a lazzy ass to go and adjust it ... while payments flow every month. :bash: :bash: :bash: :ohno:

Ah, you asked about the second one: It is directed toward Hot Bird satelite where the continental European TV stations transmit. I do speak/understand very good Italian and a little German.

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Of course it is happening, but they moved it in front of DMCC buildings near JLT where Canal Point with the 460 m tall Regent Hotel was supposed to be, and the height adjusted to 785 meters.

What a smartass I am :lol:

;)

Well I do not speak Italian, Swedish, German or Dutch.


But it doesn't stop me watching short movies with few words, mostly spoken in the above languages, also on Hotbird. :runaway:

^^ I knew that was what you were aiming for ... but no, I haven't bought any smart card with confidential delivery. :D

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Thanks for that SA BOY, but can you at least say if Al Burj will be taller than Burj Dubai?

But "definitely happening" sounds good to me!:)

Ive seen the drawings and I know the site but cannot say a thing. The height is wrong and the location is wrong.

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Thanks for the info. Can you say if it's true that the new design will be released next month?
Thanks again.

Ok so wrong Height and Location :) How about wrong / different design ?

complete change in design, much much better and much much taller than the burj

Of course it is happening, but they moved it in front of DMCC buildings near JLT where Canal Point with the 460 m tall Regent Hotel was supposed to be, and the height adjusted to 785 meters.

What a smartass I am :lol:

;)

very clever boy but taller

complete change in design, much much better and much much taller than the burj

I like the sound of that! "much much taller than the Burj" Yes! 1050m? :banana:

Yes, but Expats will be passing laws limiting locals to only 6 year stays in the UAE before this thing gets built. Hahahaha. Sorry.

:lol: sorry.

So this is the location for the next worlds tallest tower ?

http://i4.tinypic.com/10cn21d.jpg

True Blue will be a happy boy

freaky. i never thought they'd come up with a new design..

Very exciting news. But I wonder if Dubai Waterfront will have some other key development to help attact the investors ?

Yes, but Expats will be passing laws limiting locals to only 6 year stays in the UAE before this thing gets built. Hahahaha. Sorry.

:lol: sorry.

^^ :lol: :lol:

So this is the location for the next worlds tallest tower ?

http://i4.tinypic.com/10cn21d.jpg



^^ The arse end of the maina right? :lol:

This site looks good though, well big enough for Al Burj.

freaky. i never thought they'd come up with a new design..

Sounds good... but I really do hope they haven't changed the old design too much as that was awesome!

Sorry guys but cant say more except its deffinalty happening

Any idea when an announcement will be made ?

^^ The arse end of the maina right? :lol:

This site looks good though, well big enough for Al Burj.

Yes Nakheel have a habbit of picking such locations, for example the sewage works for International City :lol:

^^ Wonderful! :lol:

Very exciting news. But I wonder if Dubai Waterfront will have some other key development to help attact the investors ?

How about a full recreation of Versailles? That would raise a few eyebrows in the desert eh? :lol:

Any idea when an announcement will be made ?

last i heard was "end of 2007"

^^ Where did you hear that ZZ? Anyways, that's good news!:)

http://i18.tinypic.com/308w3d3.jpg

I wonder if it will be similar to the more recent canal point design :D

http://i5.tinypic.com/34g3vut.gif

If that is the location dubai steve, I dont think its the best IMO, I mean the marina, jlt, ji, and emirates living are its views, which are great, but that power plant is right across the street; ugh it just drives me crazy when i see pictures of the marina and the power plant is right in its horizon, not so chic.... and thats the image these developers are trying to sell (a chic first-class area, which it is but with a giant power plant attached to it). The Waterfront is a better location IMO, on its own island (but probably wasn't feasible). I think the old design was good, I kind of liked the monumentalisim and cold imposing look it had for some reason lol reminded me of Louis Kahn. I suppose the good thing about this 'new' location is, on a clear day you may minutely see the burj dubai, easily the palm j, the world, and burj al arab. Just build the damn taller with a great design and taller than bd and ill be satisfied!

I suppose the more you think about it the more Al Burj was always going to end up in/close to the Marina. When you eliminate all the palms and the waterfront (which was ideal and such a pity that hasn't worked out) then where else could you put such a colossal and imposing building like Al Burj? A tower that will be much taller than Burj Dubai will dominate everything for miles in every direction no doubt.... which might be very interesting with that super-tall block just down the road... Maybe in the end this (if this is the site of course) is the only place they can put Big Al.... ?

this is stupid .... they can't make up their minds about the location .... adn the proposal was proposed since BD was in design stage and now its almost done ....

^^ Agreed. Where to locate something like this ought not to be so hard. (Not that it's easy, but you take a few months to do a careful study and then decide.) Also, it is a given that they would get clearance from aviation authorities early on for a 1-kilometer high tower. This issue speaks of Nakheel's incompetence. What I see are senior people squabbling over competing interests and an "I am the boss and what I say goes" culture. If someone big enough decides he wants to move the tower, they move the tower. End of story.

If Al Burj is not at the Waterfront and is located by jlt, I wonder will it be a complex like the B.D. Complex, hopefully it will; because its going to need some towers at least over 300-500m next to it, and clusters around it to 'visually' ground it.

Is there enough space to develop that way ?

I hope if they can build it up near EMIRATE ROAD LOL for some reasons one of them to be attractive and make those area more expensive rather than increase prices near sea n extension of new dubai to main centre of dubai , no bodyknows about the natural disaster .(it's just comment )

So this is the location for the next worlds tallest tower ?

http://i4.tinypic.com/10cn21d.jpg

True Blue will be a happy boy

Dude, that's my car :D


Very exciting news. But I wonder if Dubai Waterfront will have some other key development to help attact the investors ?

Why would DW want to attack the investors? What have they done to DW? :ohno:

:lol:

Dude, that's my car :D

Sorry I borrowed it, hope that is OK :cheers:

BTW the company " al Burj real estate" is now Called "Usos"

^^ That's not related to this tower.

Sorry I borrowed it, hope that is OK :cheers:

No problem ... I might just have to borrow you the white van if I'd have people or things to carry around. :)

origional design was impractical and too inificient in floor plates hence the outside shear walls were about 1,5m thick. It did however allow design teams to think differently about towers and the new design is very very good

^^ Hope it is not the perfect cone-shapped 1001 meters tall tower that ARUP UK is currently working on.

1Km is so last year. We need a 500-floor, 2Km tower, otherwise i'm pulling my money out.

^^ Hope it is not the perfect cone-shapped 1001 meters tall tower that ARUP UK is currently working on.

Do you mean the one reported in 2006 for the Kuwaiti government?

"Representatives told the Architects' Journal that the Kuwaiti government is considering commissioning the building for a city called Madinat al-Hareer, or the "City of Silk". The skyscraper could house 7000 people, but would cost an estimated £84bn to construct and could take 25 years to complete."

25 years! not even Damac are that slow :D

1Km is so last year. We need a 500-floor, 2Km tower, otherwise i'm pulling my money out.

Why, did Lucy offered you a better investment opportunity?